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Trail Runner Nation
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Trail Runner Nation is devoted to sharing knowledge and advice to the trail running community - from beginners to the pros! We offer tips and discussion regarding race nutrition, pacing strategy, mental focus and much more from well-respected members of the trail community.
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EP 782: Fear Isn't the Enemy
2w ago01:03:25Tap to summarizeWriter and ultrarunner Gaël Dutigny joins us to talk about his Ultra Running Magazine article, "Fear Isn't a Weakness," and why fear may be one of the most misunderstood tools in endurance sports. Gaël shares how, even after finishing UTMB four times and racing in deserts, jungles, mountains, and even Iraq during wartime, fear still shows up before and during big efforts. The conversation reframes fear not as something to suppress, but as information that can sharpen decision-making, expose your true "why," and help you respect the environment you're moving through. We also talk about the thin line between fear that freezes you and fear that helps you function, especially in long mountain races where fatigue, darkness, cutoffs, hallucinations, and self-doubt all start stirring the pot. One of the most useful takeaways for trail runners is that mental preparation deserves the same attention as physical training, because knowing yourself may be just as important as knowing your pace, gear, or nutrition plan. Links: Gaël Dutigny's Substack UltraRunning Magazine "Race to the Summit" Dean Potter's documentary on Netflix Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! True Nutrition: Customized quality protein: Use Code TRNSummer and get 25% off between May 22-25 for their Memorial Day Sale! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page Timestamps 00:00 | Is Fear Holding You Back or Helping You? Scott opens the conversation by asking whether fear on the trail is something to overcome or something that may actually guide us. 02:40 | Why Gaël Wrote About Fear Gaël explains how decades of running in mountains, deserts, jungles, and difficult environments shaped his view that fear is a deep part of the sport. 05:15 | Why Experience Doesn't Eliminate Fear Even after multiple UTMB finishes and other major races, Gaël shares why fear still shows up and why that may be healthy. 11:30 | Training Fear Before Race Day The discussion turns to how runners can practice facing fear in training, whether that means darkness, distance, terrain, isolation, or uncertainty. 21:20 | Fear as a Decision-Making Tool: How fear can sharpen awareness and help runners make better choices instead of simply pushing blindly forward. 27:15 | Mental Health as Performance Training Gaël makes the case that talking to a sports psychologist or therapist is not weakness, but another form of training for hard things. 44:20 | Fear, DNFs, and Knowing Your Why The group talks about how fear of failure, social pressure, and shallow motivation can unravel a race when things get hard.
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EP 781: The Finish Line That Changed Everything
3w ago01:08:36Tap to summarizeode we are joined by Brian Morrison, author of Given to Fly: A Story of Tragedy, Triumph, and Realization at Western States 100, about one of the most unforgettable finishes in ultrarunning history. Brian takes listeners back to the 2006 Western States 100, where he was leading the race before collapsing on the Placer High School track just steps from victory, later being disqualified because he received assistance crossing the finish line. The conversation explores how Scott Jurek's belief in him helped Brian transform from a talented but relatively unproven runner into someone who truly believed he could win Western States. But the heart of the episode is not just the collapse, it is the decade that followed, as Brian wrestled with regret, obsession, identity, family, and the need to return in 2016 to finally finish the race on his own terms. For trail runners and endurance athletes, this episode is a powerful reminder that failure is not always the opposite of success, sometimes it becomes the thing that reshapes us, redirects us, and teaches us what the finish line could never have taught alone. Links YouTube video, "A Decade On" by GingerRunner Link to buy the Book Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page Timestamps 00:00 – The Moment That Almost Defined Him Scott introduces Brian Morrison and sets up the unforgettable 2006 Western States finish that became the centerpiece of Brian's story. 01:48 – Scott Jurek's Belief Changes Everything Brian explains how Scott Jurek told him he could carry the torch for Seattle and win Western States, planting a belief Brian had never fully considered before. 06:34 – Training Like a Western States Contender Brian describes the intense training block with Jurek, including Mount Si repeats, hard downhill work, and the psychological shift from hoping to win to believing he could. 15:30 – Race Day: Heat, Strategy, and the Chase Brian walks through the 2006 race, from the early miles to picking up Scott Jurek at Foresthill and hunting down the leaders before the river crossing. 24:00 – The Final Miles Begin to Unravel After No Hands Bridge, Brian starts running scared, convinced Graham Cooper is closing fast, and the effort begins to push him past the edge. 28:37 – Collapse on the Track Brian reaches the Placer High School track first but blacks out, collapses repeatedly, and later learns he has been disqualified despite crossing the finish line. 38:17 – Ten Years of Haunting and the Return Brian shares how the race followed him for a decade, why he returned in 2016, and how finishing with his family finally allowed him to see the experience differently. 56:22 – Writing the Book and Finding the Realization Brian explains why he wrote Given to Fly, how the process helped him understand his deeper motivations, and why he now sees the whole experience not as redemption, but as a gift.
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EP 780: The Woman Who Ran 600 Miles
4w ago00:57:35Tap to summarizeMegan Eckert returns to Trail Runner Nation after an extraordinary stretch in endurance racing, including a third place at Cocadona 250, setting a women's world record at Big's Backyard Ultra and becoming the first woman to run more than 600 miles in six days. She explains why backyard ultras are less about speed and more about solving the strange little puzzle of time, sleep, food, heat, pacing, and decision-making, one hour at a time. The conversation gets into what happens when the body starts swelling after days of effort, how recovery has to be tested carefully, and why a runner's "toolbox" matters more than a perfect race plan. Megan also shares how mantras, gratitude, crew support, short sleep strategies, and breaking huge goals into smaller chunks helped her keep moving when the mental fog rolled in. The big takeaway is that toughness is not always loud or dramatic. Sometimes it looks like patience, curiosity, a good crew, and the willingness to step back into the corral one more time. Links: SharmanUltra Coaching - Megan Previous Episode with Megan: EP 685: Running in Circles - Backyard Ultras Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page Timestamps 00:00 | Megan Eckert's 600-Mile Breakthrough Scott introduces Megan's recent accomplishments, including her Big's Backyard Ultra world record and becoming the first woman to run more than 600 miles in six days. 02:10 | What Happens to the Body After 600 Miles Megan describes the swelling, inflammation, and strange physical effects that showed up late in the six-day race. 03:10 | Recovery Is Not a Formula She explains how recovery depends on the race, the body's feedback, heart rate, feet, legs, and the willingness to test movement and back off when needed. 04:14 | How Backyard Ultras Actually Work Megan breaks down the format: 4.17 miles every hour, starting again and again until only one runner remains. 06:16 | The Race She's Most Proud Of Megan shares why Run Rabbit Run stands out, not because it was perfect, but because she had to work through an off day almost from the beginning. 14:16 | The Tools That Keep You Moving The conversation shifts to mantras, knowing your "why," gratitude, and the mental tools runners build through hard training and bad races. 19:34 | Solving the Puzzle of Time Megan explains why backyard racing fascinates her: it is not about being fastest, but about balancing pace, rest, calories, sleep, and strategy. 25:46 | Training Yourself to Sleep Fast She talks about using an eye mask, lowering heart rate before lying down, and noise-canceling headphones to help the body shut down quickly during long races. 27:55 | Why Women Are Thriving in Long Events Megan reflects on the growing participation of women in backyard and multi-day racing and why the format creates a welcoming space for many types of runners. 31:15 | Why Crew Becomes Critical Megan explains how sleep deprivation affects decision-making and why crew support becomes essential in the later stages of multi-day races. 35:16 | The Dark Places in a Six-Day Race She describes the strange feeling of being between two shores, unable to see where you started or where you are going, and how her crew helped her regain perspective. 43:30 | Coaching for Backyard Ultras vs. 50Ks Megan explains how training shifts for backyard races, with more emphasis on time on feet, double days, and learning to run when you do not feel like running. 47:00 | Sleep Deprivation and Trial-and-Error The group discusses whether sleep deprivation can really be trained, and Megan explains why her best sleep strategy is built around longer 45- to 90-minute cycles. 52:00 | What's Next for Megan Megan talks about taking on Cocodona 250 and applying what she has learned from looped and timed events to a very different kind of trail challenge. 55:13 | Who Should Try a Backyard Ultra? Megan closes with a simple message: the best attribute is curiosity, because you never know what you are capable of until you show up.
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EP 779: The Hidden Performance Cost of Sun Damage
May 100:54:20Tap to summarizeReturning guest, coach Colleen Miracle, joins us to talk about something many trail runners know they should care about but often ignore: sun protection. The conversation is based on Colleen's UltraSignup article "Why Ultrarunners Face a Higher Risk of Skin Cancer and Decreased Running Performance." Colleen shares her own experience with stage-one skin cancer on her lip, which began as what looked like a small freckle but turned out to be a wound that would not heal. The episode gets practical fast, covering SPF 30, UPF clothing, sun hoodies, lip sunscreen, reapplication during races, altitude exposure, cloudy-day risk, and why a "base tan" is not real protection. For endurance athletes, the biggest takeaway is that sun damage is not just a long-term health issue; during long efforts, your body may divert energy toward cooling and repairing damaged skin instead of helping you keep moving. It is a useful, slightly uncomfortable reminder that protecting your skin may be as important to longevity in the sport as shoes, fueling, or strength work. Resources & Links: Check out Boundless Coaching Sunbeam Sunscreen Super Goop Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page Timestamps 00:00 – The Sun as a Performance Threat Scott introduces the idea that UV exposure may affect not only skin cancer risk and aging, but also long-term running performance. 02:45 – Colleen's Skin Cancer Wake-Up Call Colleen shares how her own stage-one skin cancer diagnosis on her lip led her to interview her dermatologist and write about sun risk for ultrarunners. 05:30 – How Sun Damage Can Drain Your Body The group discusses how damaged skin may force the body to spend energy on cooling and repair when runners need that energy for movement, fueling, and staying strong. 07:15 – SPF, UPF, and What Actually Works Colleen explains the practical options runners can use, including SPF 30 or higher sunscreen, UPF clothing, sun hoodies, arm sleeves, and SPF lip protection. 14:25 – Why Sun Hoodies Are Showing Up More in Ultras The conversation turns to lightweight sun hoodies, why runners in hot and exposed environments use them, and why you should practice with them before race day. 17:50 – The Base Tan Myth and Other Bad Ideas Colleen pushes back on the idea that a base tan protects runners and explains why tanning still means skin damage. 31:45 – Timing, Altitude, Clouds, and Race-Day Habits They cover how early morning runs reduce exposure, why altitude increases risk, why cloudy days still matter, and how runners can build sunscreen reapplication into race routines.
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EP 778: Audio Magazine- The Run That Changes Your Brain
Apr 2301:13:16Tap to summarizeAudio Magazine episode! Long-time friend, Warren Pole joins us to trade ideas, stories, and thought-provoking topics from the world of endurance sports. We talk about everything from whether races should ban in-race filming to the surprising ways ultrarunning might temporarily damage red blood cells and what that means for recovery. Warren brings a sharp perspective on long-term health, framing running as an investment that compounds over time, especially when paired with better nutrition. The conversation also explores how beginners can cut through noise and focus on simple fundamentals like cadence and effort, while questioning whether trends like "gravel running" are innovation or just clever marketing. Along the way, we highlight how trail running uniquely benefits mental health, reinforcing why time on the trails feels different than pounding pavement. Check out 33 Fuel for amazing and healthy products that will help you live healthier. If you live in the USA, you can buy their Ultimate Daily Greens via Amazon HERE. Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page Timestamps 00:00 – Reunion & Format Setup Scott and Don welcome Warren back and explain the fast-paced "audio magazine" format. 11:00 – Should Races Ban Content Creation? Debate on whether filming during races helps grow the sport or distracts from it. 24:00 – What Running Really Does to Your Body Discussion of research on red blood cell damage and what it means for performance and recovery. 30:00 – Nutrition, Recovery, and Long-Term Health Warren explains why whole-food fueling may improve recovery and long-term outcomes. 39:00 – Learning to Run: What Actually Matters Simple, foundational advice for new runners like cadence, effort, and consistency. 50:00 – Trail Running and Mental Health Why running in nature has a stronger effect on mood, stress, and brain function. 54:00 – "Gravel Running" and the Future of the Sport Exploring whether new categories are helpful or just clever marketing.
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EP 777: Inside the Toughest Era of Ultrarunning
Apr 1701:09:49Tap to summarizeIn this episode, we sit down with ultrarunning legend Hal Koerner and Ian Sharman to go beyond the race results and into the stories hidden between the aid stations. Hal reflects on the gritty era of ultrarunning when gear was simpler, races were rougher, and success often came down to who could stay calm while everything else unraveled. The conversation explores their approach to downhill running, how they learned to descend with confidence, and why many runners sabotage themselves by braking too much and overthinking every step. Hal also shares memorable moments from decades in the sport, including hallucinations, race-day mistakes, lessons from other legends, and the strange, beautiful chaos that unfolds after enough miles in the mountains. Along the way, we discuss how the sport has changed, from shoes and nutrition to the growing popularity of ultrarunning, while Hal remains the same smiling, endlessly curious runner with the grin that somehow survives even mile 90. By the end, the episode feels less like an interview and more like sitting beside a campfire with one of the sport's great storytellers while the mountains glow quietly in the background. Check out "Unbreakable" film SharmanUltra.com coaching Hal Koerner's Field Guide to Ultrarunning Preorder Ian's book, "The Art of Ultrarunning: Tried & Tested Strategies for Long-Distance. Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page Timestamps 06:00 – What Ultrarunning Used to Be Like Hal reflects on the early days of the sport, when aid stations were simpler, shoes were sketchier, and ultrarunners seemed stitched together from duct tape, stubbornness, and peanut butter sandwiches. 14:00 – The Downhill Running Advantage Hal explains why his ability to descend gave him an edge, how he learned to trust gravity, and why most runners unknowingly fight the trail on every downhill. 27:00 – Hallucinations, Mistakes & The Weird Stuff That Happens After 80 Miles The conversation drifts into race stories, strange moments, and the surreal carnival that begins when exhaustion starts repainting reality with a very crooked brush. 40:00 – How the Sport Has Changed The evolution of ultrarunning, from carbon shoes and nutrition science to the explosion of races, gear, and attention. 53:00 – The Lessons That Last Hal shares the wisdom he has gathered after decades in the mountains: stay adaptable, keep your sense of humor, and never lose the grin, even when the trail is trying very hard to take it from you.
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EP 776: Build Stronger Feet Before They Fail
Apr 901:02:08Tap to summarizeIn this follow-up conversation with Dr. Tonya Olson, we shift from fixing foot problems to preventing them by building stronger, more resilient feet before race day disaster strikes. Tonya explains that the biggest mistake runners make is not paying attention to their feet until something hurts, even though their feet have been quietly sending signals for months, like tiny grumpy trail prophets. The discussion explores how calluses, hot spots, toenails, and skin changes can reveal weaknesses in shoe choice, mobility, gait, and training habits. Tonya also unveils the surprising connection between foot problems and bigger biomechanical issues, explaining how limitations in the ankle, big toe, hips, and glutes can ripple down the kinetic chain like one bad domino tipping into another. We talk about simple weekly routines, mobility work, proprioception, and why "good enough" maintenance now can prevent a full-scale foot mutiny later. By the end, the episode makes a compelling case that resilient feet are not built in race week, but one small habit at a time. Resources & Links: Fixing Your Feet Seventh Edition by Dr. John Vonhof & Dr. Tonya Olson Footcare- YouTube Channel Footcare Products Tonya Recommends Dr. Tanya Olson's website Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page Timestamps: 00:00 – Why We Ignore Our Feet Until It's Too Late Tonya explains why runners obsess over nutrition, pacing, and gear, yet somehow treat their feet like forgotten basement tenants until race day. 05:00 – Calluses, Skin, and What Your Feet Are Telling You How calluses, maceration, hot spots, and toenail changes can reveal problems with shoe fit, movement, and foot mechanics. 14:00 – The Simple Weekly Foot Routine Every Runner Needs Tonya lays out a practical, low-maintenance routine: inspect your feet after long runs, trim and file nails, moisturize, and look for warning signs before they become race-ending monsters. 20:00 – Why Foot Problems Start Higher Up the Chain A fascinating look at how mobility limitations in the ankle, big toe, hips, and glutes can lead to blisters, pain, and poor running mechanics. Your foot may be the smoke, but the fire could be somewhere upstream. 33:00 – Wobble Boards, Mobility, and Training Smarter The group discusses proprioception, ankle sprains, balance training, and which exercises actually transfer to better trail running. 48:00 – The Long Game: Keeping Your Feet Healthy for Decades Tonya explains why maintaining mobility and strength over time is the key to avoiding the stiff, cranky, "why does everything hurt now?" runner future
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EP 775: I Spent $4,500 on One Race
Apr 301:02:49Tap to summarizeWhat are some of the real costs of running an ultra? In this episode, ultra runner and coach Colleen Miracle talks about this, and it turns out the race entry is just the first pebble in the avalanche. We discuss the hidden expenses that pile up around an A-race: travel, nutrition, coaching, shoes, gear, hotels, rental cars, and the tiny financial gremlins that quietly multiply in the dark corners of race prep. Colleen shares that one of her hundred-mile races carried a $4,500 receipt, but she emphasizes that ultras can also be done on a shoestring with borrowed gear, local races, and simple nutrition. We wrestle with whether modern technology and gear have improved the sport or turned it into a glittering outdoor equipment bazaar with carbon-plated everything and hydration packs that resemble small spacecraft. Along the way, we celebrate community-driven "fat ass" races, the value of supporting race directors and small local events, and the idea that the memories, friendships, and growth from an ultra often outlast whatever else you could have bought with the money. In the end, the episode asks a bigger question: Is running expensive, or is it one of the best investments we make in ourselves? Colleen's article in Ultrarunning Magazine Check out Boundless Coaching Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page TIme Stamps 00:00 – The Real Cost of an A-Race Scott and Don introduce the idea that race fees are only the tip of the iceberg floating through your checking account like a frozen credit card statement. Travel, gear, coaching, food, and training all add up fast. 04:00 – Colleen's $4,500 Race Receipt Colleen explains how she calculated the true cost of one of her hundred milers, while also making the case that ultras can be done far more cheaply depending on your choices. 08:00 – Do You Really Need Expensive Gear? The conversation turns to GPS watches, hydration packs, carbon shoes, sunscreen, and whether trail running has become an arms race made of nylon, foam, and marketing copy. 18:00 – Why Race Fees Keep Rising Scott, Don, and Colleen discuss what race directors are actually paying for: permits, insurance, aid stations, safety, volunteers, swag, and the complicated circus tent behind every starting line. 23:30 – Fat Ass Races, Community & "Fat Heart" Running A joyful detour into old-school, low-cost grassroots races where the start line might be a stop sign and the bib comes from someone's home printer. Colleen proposes a better name: "Fat Heart Race." 27:00 – If You Could Go Back, Would You? The group debates whether they would trade today's expensive high-tech gear for the simpler, cheaper days of Timex watches, syrup bottles, and Snickers bars. 39:00 – Is It Worth the Money? The closing reflection: maybe the finish line medal isn't what you're really paying for. Maybe you're buying purpose, discipline, memories, friendships, and the version of yourself that only appears after a few predawn training runs and a questionable amount of squirrel's nut butter.
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EP 774: Aging As An Athlete- The Truth About Longevity in Running
Mar 2601:04:58Tap to summarizeWhat if your best performance isn't behind you… it's just different now? In this Aging as an Athlete episode, Krissy Moehl joins again as co-host in a discussion with Bryce Thatcher. Bryce Thatcher is a trail-running pioneer and founder of UltrAspire, who has spent over 40 years innovating hydration gear while living and embodying a lifelong commitment to mountain running and human-powered adventure. We explore what it really takes to stay connected to trail running over decades. Bryce shares how a deep love of the outdoors and the human-powered movement form the foundation for long-term engagement in the sport. The conversation moves into how motivation evolves from personal performance to purpose, service, and community, while also addressing the tension between modern convenience and the sport's rugged roots. We reflect on gear innovation, race culture changes, and the importance of maintaining responsibility, resilience, and self-reliance on the trail. Bryce offers powerful insights on longevity, consistency, and adapting expectations as we age without losing joy. Ultimately, the episode is about staying grounded in your "why" while evolving with each season of life Episode Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new Sanctum SL glasses! Peluva - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our DEALS page TImestamps: 02:30 – What Creates Longevity in the Sport Love of the outdoors + human-powered movement as the foundation for staying in trail running long-term. 08:00 – Origins, Gear Evolution & Finding Your "Why" Early days of the sport, how gear has changed, and the risk of losing intrinsic motivation. 13:30 – Redefining Performance: From PRs to "FK Me" Shifting from peak performance to personal best for your current stage of life. 19:00 – Has Trail Running Lost Its Edge? Discussion on race culture, aid stations, responsibility, and the tension between convenience and adventure. 27:00 – Solo vs Community: The Balance That Sustains Us Running as meditation vs shared experience, and why both matter for longevity. 34:00 – Adapting as You Age: Training, Gear & Recovery Cross-training, strength work, and evolving expectations to stay healthy and consistent. 55:00 – Advice to Your Younger (and Older) Self Consistency, simplicity, and long-term thinking as the keys to a lifetime in the sport.
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EP 773: Why We Choose to Suffer (And Love It)
Mar 1901:07:59Tap to summarizeIn this episode, we are joined again by coach Adam Kimble to explore the book, The Sweet Spot: The Pleasures of Suffering and the Search for Meaning by Paul Bloom, and discuss why endurance athletes voluntarily seek discomfort in pursuit of meaning, growth, and satisfaction. We discuss the concept of "benign masochism," highlighting how pain and pleasure are deeply intertwined in long races and hard efforts. We talk about internal versus external motivation, the power of anticipation, and how reframing challenges can shape both performance and mindset. We explore flow state, decision-making under fatigue, and why doing hard things helps us better appreciate everyday life. Ultimately, the episode reflects on how endurance sports create community, reveal character, and provide a powerful lens for understanding human behavior and purpose. Check out more about Adam and hire him as a coach HERE Sponsors: Tifosi Optics - check out how to win a free pair of the new Sanctum SL and how to get a discount Peluva - let your feet be feet! TimeStamps 00:00 – Intro & Book Overview: Introduction to The Sweet Spot and why endurance athletes are drawn to discomfort and meaning. 03:20 – First Impressions of the Book: Initial reactions and key takeaways about doing hard things and personal growth. 05:50 – What is "Benign Masochism"? Exploring voluntary suffering and why difficult challenges feel rewarding. 08:10 – Internal vs External Motivation: Do we pursue hard goals for ourselves or for recognition from others? 15:30 – Pain, Pleasure & the "Ikea Effect": Why effort increases satisfaction and meaning in achievement. 21:10 – Pain as Presence & Mental Focus: How physical discomfort brings runners into the present moment. 26:50 – The Power of Anticipation & Race Anxiety: Mental rehearsal, visualization, and preparing for both highs and lows. 33:20 – Stoicism, Problem Solving & Simple Rules: Decision-making strategies when things go wrong during races. 41:45 – The Paradox of Effort in an Easy World: Why modern comfort drives us to seek difficult challenges. 48:30 – Reframing Struggle & Perspective on the Trail: How mindset shifts can turn suffering into forward progress. 55:00 – Intention Over Perfection: Why showing up with purpose matters more than executing a flawless race. 59:30 – Meaning, Community & Final Quotes: Closing reflections on bonding, humanity, and why endurance sports matter.
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