Ali Macofsky And Jenna Jiménez Get Lucky

Summary

Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn

Episode: Ali Macofsky and Jenna Jiménez Get Lucky

Date: March 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, candid, and extremely relatable conversation between hosts Esther Povitsky and Khalyla Kuhn, comedian guests Ali Macofsky and Jenna Jiménez. They deep-dive into everything from body image quirks, period taboos, feminine health woes, and reality TV nostalgia, to the social nuances of where you're "really from." The conversation is unapologetically funny, refreshingly honest, and filled with hot takes, friendly roasts, and personal admissions. Every bit as chaotic as you'd expect from four women known for keeping it real.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Skokie vs. Chicago: The Hometown Debate

Timestamps: 00:01 - 02:00, 39:28 - 44:24

• Esther's Skokie Pride: Esther fiercely defends her suburb, Skokie, against claims that she's not a "real Chicagoan."
  • Esther: "I have Skokie pride till I die. Skokie is way better than the whole city of Chicago." (00:10)
• Regional Identity: The group debates when it's okay to claim you're "from" a major city nearby versus your true suburb, touching on similar dynamics in LA and the Philippines.
  • Jenna: "If I were from New York, I wouldn't say I was from Poughkeepsie." (39:28)
  • Kalyla: "If someone was like, 'I'm from Manila,' I correct them—I'm Cebu, we're very specific here." (42:55)

2. Body Image, Touch Aversion, and Changing Bodies

Timestamps: 02:16 - 07:59

• Esther's Squeamishness: Esther shares her avoidance tendencies during pregnancy: not looking at or touching certain body parts (e.g., belly, breasts, vagina).
  • Esther: "I'm not trying to pretend like I'm from Chicago. ...I have Skokie pride." (00:10)
  • Esther: "I'm just squeamish about my body." (06:54)
  • Jenna teases her, noting Esther won't even look at her own breasts unless they look good.
• Boudoir Shoot Challenge: Ali and Kalyla suggest a boudoir photo shoot and a Korean spa visit for body acceptance.
  • Ali: "You should do a sexy boudoir photo shoot." (07:04)
  • Jenna: "Being naked at the spa is so normalizing!"

3. Period "Scooping" & Female Health Taboos

Timestamps: 08:56 – 11:58

• The Scoop Debate: Esther brings up a viral TikTok where women "scoop" out period blood to reduce bleeding time, prompting a mix of curiosity and concern.
  • Esther: "I've never heard of this, has never crossed my mind." (09:21)
  • Kalyla: "That's not a sterile site..." (10:40)
• Tampon Use & BV: Ali publicly claims her "BV queen" title, talking about using tampons without a period, while the others voice concerns about hygiene and medical implications.
  • Ali: "I am a bacterial vaginosis queen." (11:19)

4. Disney Adults, TV Nostalgia, and Childhoods

Timestamps: 12:55 – 19:01

• Ali’s "Cool Disney Adult" Identity: Ali jokes about being a Disney adult for the steps, not the fandom, and shares her sister was a Little Mermaid.
  • Ali: "I'm a cool Disney adult... I just love going to Disneyland for the steps." (12:55)
• TV Upbringing: The group reminisces about growing up with or without television, comparing Nickelodeon obsessions and reality TV eras (Jenny Jones, Ricky Lake, Bad Girls Club).

5. Jenna’s Reality TV Past

Timestamps: 19:06 – 21:44

• Endurance Confession: Jenna reveals she was on “Endurance,” a Survivor-style kids’ reality show—twice—won the second, and still has fans today.
  • Ali: “Were you a child actor?” Jenna: “No, I never even wanted to do it. They wanted a whatever girl!” (20:59)
• Childhood Dynamics: They discuss the long-term effect of competition shows.

6. Feminine Health Candor

Timestamps: 22:52 – 27:55

• Diagnosing BV: Ali shares the ongoing struggle with bacterial vaginosis. Khalyla and Esther give medical insight about lesser-known infections (ureaplasma, mycoplasma).
  • Kalyla: “You have to ask for a more advanced swab and be tested for urea plasma.” (25:48)
• Gynecology Frustration: Esther calls out how OB/GYNs often dismiss “non-pregnant” feminine health issues.

7. Body Neutrality & Medical Squeamishness

Timestamps: 27:38 – 32:10

• Supporting Each Other: The women admit to “medicalizing” each other's issues, like helping examine for cysts or odd symptoms.
• Blood Draw Anxieties: Esther hates blood draws, Kalyla explains passing out is normal.
  • Kalyla: “Even nurses pass out when they get blood drawn. It’s a built-in mechanism.” (28:47)

8. Social Media, Cooking, and Domestic Pet Peeves

Timestamps: 54:21 – 57:17

• Kitchen TikTok "Hacks": Talk of “talking vegetables” on TikTok dispensing food safety advice, sparking debates about fridge organization and whether or not to rinse chicken.
  • Ali: "He'd rather listen to AI than a woman!" (55:04)
• Domestic Roles & Sponges: Jenna: "The dirtiest place ever is a fudgeing sink!" (57:03)

9. Looksmaxxing and Beauty Rituals

Timestamps: 59:48 – 64:07

• Bleaching, Lashes, Gua Sha: The women discuss their beauty routines, “looksmaxxing,” lash disasters, and pressure to overline lips or whiten teeth.
  • Kalyla: “My thing is always Crest WhiteStrips, but they burn!” (60:10)
  • Jenna: "I know frownies work, my '11s' are gone!" (63:54)

10. Goals & Life Updates

Timestamps: 47:36 – 51:27, 66:28 – end

• Joy Commitment: Kalyla shares her post-partum transition from negativity to seeking daily joy.
  • Kalyla: "I’m so over complaining. I’m committed to feeling joy." (49:29)
• Money Windfall: Ali cracks open her piggy bank—over $8,200 saved!—and discusses the satisfaction and practicality.
  • Ali: "I had $8,270." (52:47)

11. Rejection Therapy & Audition Fears

Timestamps: 65:28 – 69:54

• Seeking Opportunities: Inspired by a TikTok, they discuss how self-sabotage and fear of social ickiness holds them back from asking for auditions or networking.
  • Jenna: "I never ask to audition; I just don't want to seem like I'm asking for a handout." (66:11)
  • Esther: "I would be flattered if a friend wanted to audition for my project." (69:36)

12. Complaints, Checking In, and Checking Out

Timestamps: 73:21 – End

• Health Check-Ins: Jenna opens up about health and vision struggles; the group checks in on mental states and body complaints.
• Classic Close: They round out the episode with gratitude, promo plugs (deodorant, beauty products), and a playful “ready to be skinny" affirmation.
  • Esther: "I'm ready to be really skinny. You’re gonna be so jealous of me." (73:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Body Avoidance:
  Jenna: "Esther, what are you looking at? Your ankles?" (06:04)
  Esther: "My ankles are beautiful." (06:06)

• On Medical Examinations:
  Ali: "I'm not a pervert. I'm just trying to con this doctor into groping me. I'm like, just do a breast exam!" (24:53)

• On Regional Identity:
  Kalyla: "If someone was like, ‘I'm from Manila’...I’m Cebu! We are a very specific type here." (42:55)

• On Social Hierarchies:
  Ali: "The only people doing this are probably people who have BV." (11:44)

• On Childhood TV:
  Esther: "I grew up glued to the TV." (15:52)

• On Money Surprises:
  Ali: "I had $8,270." (52:47)
  Jenna: "You had almost $10,000!" (52:57)

• On Pressure During Massages:
  Kalyla: "I'm getting beat the fuck up and when they ask, I say, ‘It’s fine, it’s fine!’" (61:41–61:50)

• On Asking for What You Want:
  Esther: "I would be so flattered if a friend wanted to audition for my project!" (69:36)
  Kalyla: "The flattering part is huge, you actually want to be a part of my project." (69:55)

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Additional Noteworthy Segments & Timestamps

• Pregnancy/Body Changes: 03:14–08:00
• Discussion on period taboos ("scooping"): 09:14–10:40
• Disney adult confession: 12:55–13:41
• Money talk (piggy bank): 51:20–53:48
• Food/kitchen hygiene hacks: 54:21–56:57
• Looksmaxxing/beauty routines: 59:48–63:54
• Massage horror stories: 61:39–62:33
• Personal growth/joy commitment: 49:29–50:54
• Fear of Rejection/Networking: 65:34–69:55

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Tone & Language

• Language: Candid, raw, irreverent, full of friendly jabs
• Tone: Playful, empathetic, authentic, at times vulnerable and always laced with humor

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Utility for Non-Listeners

This summary delivers the essence of “Trash Tuesday”—the core confessions, laughs, and solidarity that make the show beloved. Whether you crave TMI chats about women's bodies, want to hear real talk on friendship and insecurity, or just need a funny, validating reminder that everyone feels a little weird sometimes, this episode—like the summary—is utterly relatable and memorable.

Transcript

[Ali]

If you're talking to people who aren't familiar with Chicago or Illinois, you say Chicago.

[Jenna]

I feel like the issue. Exactly.

[Ali]

Because no one's gonna know Skokie. They're gonna be like, where's that Chicago?

[Esther]

Okay, I'm exactly Chicago to begin with. And I'm not trying to pretend like I'm from Chicago. I don't give a. I have Skokie pride till I die. Skokie is way better than the whole city of Chicago. And you would know it because you're always going out to eat in Skokie. You're always in Skokie, bro.

[Ali]

Bro.

[Jenna]

You need to calm the down right now.

[Esther]

You guys. We love skims so much, and I'm so excited that they have this new everyday cotton collection. I just got the Scoop Bralette. I've been wearing it every day. I literally ordered four of them. You can shop our favorite bras and [e-mail]. after you place your order, be sure to let them know when we sent you. Select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows.

[Jenna]

Hey, sluggies, I'm going through the car wash right now, so it might be a little loud, but I have a really important message for you. No one wants to be stinky. Use the code trash. That's T R A S H. To get my handmade deodorant. Hit stop. It's natural. It works. You can put it on anywhere. Go to byteajenna.com that's B Y T I a J E n N. I'm not good at these ads. Why would I choose the loudest time ever? I would just like to say for everyone watching, I look like a leprechaun. Not by choice. Okay? But because once again, today the theme was wear green. It's St Patty's Day, and you know what I did? I went all out. My socks, my shoes, the egg that I laid.

[Esther]

I'm green.

[Ali]

I'm green.

[Kalila]

Can I tell you what I wore yesterday? Green pajamas.

[Ali]

We should all pinch. Kalila.

[Kalila]

I might like it too much.

[Jenna]

Oh, that's cute.

[Esther]

That is cute.

[Ali]

Were you one of those girls who would, like, wear green underwear and that says, and when someone's like, I'm gonna pinch you, you're like, pinch. Got you. I'm wearing a pink or a green thong.

[Esther]

So Jenna and I were hanging out

[Jenna]

last week, and by my choice.

[Ali]

Yeah, My invite.

[Kalila]

Forced.

[Jenna]

Forced work. Forced labor.

[Esther]

I said, I forgot what body part we were talking about, but I was

[Jenna]

just like, oh, man.

[Esther]

There's certain things I just don't look at right now. Right.

[Jenna]

Doesn't look at.

[Esther]

And Jenna thinks that's crazy. And I think she's crazy for thinking that's crazy.

[Jenna]

No, let me tell you, because I feel like you're about to agree with her.

[Kalila]

No, I'm about to agree with you. I have to look.

[Jenna]

Esther, why are you.

[Ali]

What do you need?

[Kalila]

What part? What part aren't you?

[Jenna]

Or what parts are you avoiding that you're not looking? It's like if she's like, oh, this thing on my. She just doesn't look at it. And it's like, it doesn't exist. But it's like important parts of your body. Like your breasts. Like, I'm not looking at my tits all day long. But if I'm not going to be like, they don't. I can't. They don't exist. And then it's like I was talking to Esther about it and I took a picture of her because this is what her face looked like.

[Kalila]

What body part are you avoiding?

[Esther]

A lot.

[Jenna]

I remember, but that's on you to say. You can say she said that she does not look at her vagina.

[Ali]

Oh.

[Esther]

During pregnancy, postpartum. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not.

[Jenna]

Okay, well, it's not about not seeing. Esther was like, I will not look. And then her tits. This is not just about pregnancy. You don't look. You never look at your tits.

[Esther]

No, I do when I'm. When they look good.

[Jenna]

That's not true. Because your breast looks great. Your breasts, your breast looks. Your breasts look great now. And they have looked great since I've known you. And you've always been like, no.

[Ali]

I have a follow up question for you, Jenna. Are you looking at your body parts in the mirror or just like when you're laying in bed? Like, like, oh, there's my boob. Oh.

[Jenna]

Like, just like if I wake up in the morning, I'm brushing my teeth, I'm naked. I see it. I'm not.

[Kalila]

Like, she sends us pictures.

[Jenna]

Yeah, okay.

[Esther]

But I have adopted, like, in this pregnancy, I'm like, I will not look in the mirror. Braless.

[Ali]

Out of sight, out of mind.

[Esther]

Like, I'm just not gonna do that to myself. I don't like what is happening and I. The belly is very hard for me to. It's getting.

[Jenna]

Oh, that's another thing. She doesn't look at her belly and she doesn't touch it.

[Ali]

Guys. She could imagine it would be like, freaky. Kalila's eyes.

[Jenna]

Listen, I Don't want to judge you because I've never been pregnant, okay? So I don't want to be like, this is how you should be with your belly. But I do find it to be extremely strange. I go to her house, she has me touch her belly, me touch her legs, and then she's done for the night. And I'm like, oh, have you. Can you feel that? And she goes, oh, no. Oh, another thing. I don't look at my belly button. I don't look at my belly button. I'm like, well, have you touched your. Have you touched.

[Kalila]

Are you just squeamish about it?

[Esther]

Yeah, I am.

[Kalila]

Because, you know, I will say the belly button thing makes sense because, like, when your belly gets stretched out, like, my belly button was so tender to touch because it was, you know, being stretched out.

[Jenna]

That's not her reason.

[Esther]

Did yours go inside out? Never mind. Didn't either. But I feel like we're getting really close.

[Kalila]

No, I thought so, too, but it stayed. It stayed. It hung in there, and it never pops.

[Ali]

Squeamish.

[Esther]

When they go out, they go out.

[Jenna]

This I can.

[Esther]

Really?

[Kalila]

Yes, but you gotta look at your Virginia inside, guys.

[Jenna]

Even before Esther was. All of this is true, because you got to know what's going on in there. Maybe you have some discharge hanging out. Maybe you're not washing it properly.

[Kalila]

Yeah, it's true. I will say it is very hard to look at your Virginians after, like, a certain trimester. I'm like, Where. I haven't seen. I don't know what my bush looks like.

[Esther]

I have not seen my.

[Ali]

Why do you need to look at it? I don't know.

[Kalila]

Like.

[Ali]

Like with a mirror?

[Jenna]

No, not with a mirror, but if

[Ali]

you're looking from the top, you're only seeing, like, bush look.

[Jenna]

But she won't even do that.

[Esther]

I can't.

[Jenna]

She actively is avoiding.

[Esther]

No, this is before.

[Jenna]

She actively avoids looking at her tits, her belly button, her belly, her vagina, her thighs. It's like.

[Esther]

And I will not point.

[Jenna]

What are you looking at? Your ankles.

[Esther]

My ankles are beautiful. I will not look at my vagina until I'm probably, like, four to six months after I.

[Jenna]

Okay, this is understandable, though.

[Esther]

For me, I'm like, why would I want to see it?

[Kalila]

That is a very squeamish thing. I will say, like, I understand.

[Jenna]

That makes sense.

[Esther]

And then it gets. And then it goes back to normal. But it's like, I don't need to know what that looks like.

[Kalila]

You can feel for it anyways.

[Jenna]

Like, I'M not talking about this, Esther. You know, I'm not talking about this, okay? I'm talking about even before this. First off, Esther has reached for my tits since I've known her inside my shirt in college. However, if she's, like, wearing a bra, even changing in her house years ago, okay, this is not. When she's pregnant and I'm like, oh, my God, your tits look so.

[Ali]

That's true.

[Esther]

Yeah, actually.

[Ali]

Oh.

[Jenna]

Like, what's wrong?

[Esther]

I don't know what's wrong. I'm just squeamish about my body.

[Kalila]

And I get that. I get, I get. It's just hard to. The transition is so fast.

[Jenna]

I'm not talking about.

[Kalila]

I know, I know, I know.

[Ali]

But you know what you should do? You should do like a sexy boudoir photo shoot.

[Kalila]

Look at her face.

[Ali]

Look at her face. Why are you saying that as like, a body positivity?

[Kalila]

Wait, wait, wait. Let's talk about this.

[Jenna]

You are paying more attention to your body and everything that you're deciding exciting to ignore than if you just saw it. I don't like my body when I see it. I'm just like, yeah, what's up? Good morning.

[Kalila]

That's how I feel too. When I. When I look at myself. Like when I'm really full after dinner, right before my, my nighttime shower, I look at my body and I see my tits hang. I'm like, oh, how silly. Why? I honestly, I'm like, this is so silly.

[Ali]

Did you ever go to the Korean spa?

[Esther]

No.

[Ali]

You gotta get naked around a bunch of people. Look at her. Yeah, because once you see everyone's naked body, you're like, okay, thanks.

[Jenna]

And naked around herself. Okay, so this is not happen.

[Esther]

It's up. It's like misogynist or whatever. Like, male gaze. I'm like, I need to love what I'm going to see or I'm not going to see it.

[Jenna]

Oh, good luck when you're dead.

[Esther]

I am simply not going.

[Ali]

Okay, 20, 26, two goals. Boudoir Sexy photo shoot for you in Korean spa. I think those two things will, like, change everything.

[Kalila]

You know, One time my friend had a full boudoir session and she decided to send it to the group chat. And I, I, even though I was, like, fully supportive, I was like, oh, my God. Amazing. You look hot. I didn't love receiving them.

[Ali]

No, I don't think they should be for anyone. They're just for you.

[Esther]

I know.

[Kalila]

I'm like this on the group chat.

[Ali]

Corny. It's like, oh, look at me. In this weird ass laundry.

[Kalila]

And they always have you do like, the arms splayed out with your ass all. And I think the angles. And then like, I don't feel like this is group chat material.

[Ali]

Actually, you know what?

[Jenna]

That's a lie. I was gonna agree with you, but one of my friends in my high school group chat did one of those things, sent it, and it was bomb. And everyone was like, yes, bitch, go off.

[Ali]

That's why I'm glad I don't have friends from high school. Not in any of these group chats you speak of.

[Esther]

We. Okay, I saw this TikTok and I'm so disturbed. I need to talk about it with other women. I'm so happy this is happening today. This woman is like, I was talking with my friend and you know when you have your period, you're either a girl who scoops or doesn't scoop.

[Kalila]

Scoop.

[Ali]

Oh, I've heard about the scooping.

[Jenna]

Is that like when you're wiping if you.

[Esther]

I had no idea what it was.

[Ali]

What it is.

[Esther]

Basically, it's. She's insinuating that if she has her period in the morning, she wakes up on the toilet and like, digs in high up and scoops not in her cervix, but near it, scoops everything out so that then she doesn't bleed all day.

[Ali]

No.

[Esther]

And then all the comments were like, no.

[Kalila]

Well, there was that one tick tock, I think, right around that same time where the girl goes to her gynecologist and the gynecologist is like, do you want me to scoop? And she was like, what do you mean? And because she got a pap smear when she was on her period, and she was like, do you want me to basically, like, do you a favor and just scoop it out so you're not like, you know, you don't have your period?

[Jenna]

So it's a real, like, medical thing.

[Kalila]

Yeah. But I personally have never scooped. But I do understand if I was a heavier bleeder with, like, big, like, clots that I would maybe want to

[Ali]

scoop, I would scoop for a special occasion.

[Jenna]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Ali]

I would get scooped for something special,

[Jenna]

like going to McDonald's.

[Esther]

I never considered this was something you could do. I never. I've never heard of this has never crossed my mind.

[Jenna]

This is crazy that I've never heard of this.

[Esther]

Yeah, I know.

[Jenna]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. So you know what? I decided I don't like it because you're exposing yourself to way too much bacteria. For why? Like, why?

[Kalila]

That's not a sterile. That's not a sterile side.

[Ali]

I just don't. I don't know how you could yourself scoop it out.

[Esther]

Could you come over and scoop?

[Jenna]

Sure.

[Kalila]

I can attempt a good scoop. I think. I feel like I'd be good at a scoop. Yeah.

[Jenna]

You have really good, like, thin, long fingers.

[Kalila]

Yeah. Sinewy.

[Esther]

But do you think it's, like, okay to do it?

[Kalila]

Doesn't seem comfortable, but whatever.

[Ali]

Toilet paper going up is she doing it with.

[Kalila]

What pisses me off more is when girls wear tampons. When they wear thongs so they don't get the discharge.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

And I'm like, what are you doing to your body?

[Esther]

With no period.

[Kalila]

With no period. They just put a dry ass tampon.

[Ali]

I will publicly come out and say I am a bacterial vaginosis queen. And as a BV queen, there have been many times where I'm like, I do not want to have to discharge on my underwear. So I. I will be wearing a tampon.

[Kalila]

Wait, see for bv. That makes sense. Because you don't want it out of you. You want to contain.

[Ali]

But I feel like the only people doing this are people who probably have bv.

[Jenna]

Why don't you want to contain it?

[Kalila]

No, because I feel like with women ovulate you, they get a little goopy and, you know.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I feel like you're hanging in there with this conversation. I can't believe you're still here. You usually, like, run away by now.

[Esther]

I can do this.

[Kalila]

It seems just very drying.

[Esther]

I just don't see how that helped. Helps bv.

[Ali]

Well, it doesn't help it. It's like a band aid.

[Jenna]

It's not gooping.

[Ali]

So that way I don't have to change my underwear every I see. Whatever this I feel like I actually

[Jenna]

understand because there's moisture. There's moisture and there's a lot of discharge. However, if there's nothing, it's so bad.

[Ali]

No, that would be horrible.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Ali]

Because ouch. Even on, like, a light day on my period, I'm like, I don't want to put a tampon up there and

[Kalila]

then I have to pull it out, period. I free bleed.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I just like, I'll lose three panties this month.

[Jenna]

Who cares?

[Ali]

No, I'm keeping those panties.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

The way you talk about blood, I don't bleed heavy. You know, my periods aren't strong, but I get horrible migraines.

[Ali]

Oh.

[Esther]

There is no one on this planet who I think reads like less of a Disney adult than Ali Makofsky. And yet there has been a reveal recently. On her Instagram, she identifies as a Disney adult.

[Ali]

I'm like, I'm open about this. I'm a cool Disney adult. I don't have, like.

[Jenna]

I didn't know that those existed.

[Ali]

What do you mean?

[Jenna]

Really changing my mind.

[Esther]

Know anything?

[Kalila]

This. It's like a very millennial. Okay.

[Jenna]

A cool one, guys.

[Kalila]

Okay, we attacked her too soon. Yeah, sorry.

[Jenna]

With Disney passes. The little key thingy on the back of their car.

[Esther]

Whoa.

[Ali]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not even like that, but I just love going to Disneyland. I think. You know what it is? I think it's because I don't like exercise. I don't like walking. Disney is a place where I can be tricked into a healthy lifestyle, despite what I eat there, because I am eating the nastiest things you've ever heard.

[Jenna]

Then you're walking around.

[Ali]

But I'm. I'm getting 20k steps. When else am I doing that in New York? And guess what? It's cheaper to go to Disney.

[Kalila]

Is it?

[Jenna]

Do you like going to Disney?

[Ali]

Hardly.

[Kalila]

Hardly. I. I've only been to Disneyland three times in my life.

[Jenna]

I've never been to Disney.

[Kalila]

One of them was.

[Ali]

Grabbed my field trip.

[Esther]

Yeah, you have. You went with Beth and the kids.

[Jenna]

We didn't go into Disneyland. I was nannying. Yeah. We went to Build a Bear Fun, and then we just went back to their hotel room, and then I stole 10 towels from the hotel, and I still have them today.

[Ali]

Wow.

[Jenna]

I've been to Disney World. Is that the one in Florida?

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

When I was, like, 15, I went with my count.

[Ali]

Would it be so embarrassing? I really wanted to go, like, on, like, a birthday trip to Disney World and do, like, a weekend. Is that embarrassing? Without children?

[Kalila]

Do yourself one better. Go to the Disney in Tokyo.

[Ali]

Ooh.

[Kalila]

Supposed to be the best.

[Ali]

My sister worked there because my sister was a Disney princess.

[Esther]

Who was she?

[Ali]

She was a Little Mermaid. No.

[Kalila]

Are you kidding me?

[Jenna]

No.

[Ali]

So that's why I think I just, like, have been going to Disney since I was a kid. And then I got in free when she worked there. And so it's like, you know, it's nostalgic. It's fun.

[Jenna]

Explain it more to me, because I don't really understand.

[Ali]

Like, well, I realized I just went with Sophie Buttle, who's Canadian.

[Esther]

Love her.

[Ali]

And I think, like, friend of the show. Yeah. I think there's, like, propaganda in the US about Walt Disney. Like, I think, like, everyone just grows up, like, knowing about this man and, like, how great Disney is and his, like, achievements were. And I could tell she wouldn't say it to me because she's very nice, but I could tell it just wasn't doing anything for her because they. They just don't have, like, Walt Disney in Canada.

[Jenna]

Wait, this makes sense. I grew up without a tv.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Esther]

What?

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Esther, you can't just be learning.

[Kalila]

You're a non. Screen time, baby.

[Jenna]

No, I had, like, screen time at my Nani's house on the weekends. It wasn't like I wasn't allowed to watch tv. I'd watch TV at Lily's house. It just wasn't available at my house.

[Esther]

I grew up glued to the tv.

[Jenna]

My mom had a small black and white screen in the kitchen. Like this big.

[Ali]

Yeah. That's so cute.

[Jenna]

And I remember I would hear it going to bed every night. She would watch Saturday Night Live. She would watch every night.

[Esther]

It was.

[Jenna]

No, she would watch Saturday Night Live. Like, what's the one where you guess things? Jeopardy.

[Kalila]

Jeopardy.

[Jenna]

That one. And there's something else where it's like, Friends.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

And just hearing those shows, I used to tell her, like, can you please do stuff in the kitchen so I can go to sleep? I love it. Around in, like, a week.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

And now if anyone makes a peep,

[Ali]

I think a kitchen TV is so sexy.

[Jenna]

It was cute.

[Ali]

Kitchen TV is glam. What were your shows? You were, like, glued.

[Esther]

Everything. Nickelodeon.

[Jenna]

I knew Nickelodeon because on Saturdays and Sundays, I would watch Nick at night. Clarissa explains it all. Are you afraid of the dark?

[Esther]

Yeah. Nickelodeon really slapped for me.

[Jenna]

No. Alone.

[Esther]

Little fully. Had no interaction with humans my whole childhood.

[Ali]

When you would come home from school, would you just put on the tv?

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Esther]

And then my mom would serve me.

[Ali]

Whoa. That's really nice.

[Esther]

Oh, Kalila's making a face.

[Kalila]

I didn't have a lot of free time.

[Ali]

You know, you're out in the farm, working manual, waking up early, like, 4am to swim.

[Kalila]

I had Sundays off.

[Esther]

Off.

[Kalila]

I had Sundays off. But, no, I couldn't come home from school and, like, watch anything. But I. I did watch a lot of television. It was just usually, like, on Sundays. But I was very up to date because some things didn't make it to the Philippines. Like, I don't know what the Cabbage Patch Kids are. I don't know. Some of, like, this.

[Esther]

That's, like, older.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I. There's certain things that you guys talk about where I'm just like, I don't know what those. I know what they are, but I didn't watch them. But we had. Yeah, we had cable tv. So I watched just about everything, you know?

[Ali]

Yeah. I would, like, come home from school. No one would be home for whatever reason. And then I would just, like, put on Oprah, which would lead into, like, Maury or something like that. I was already Time show.

[Esther]

Yes.

[Jenna]

You know who the father was?

[Kalila]

I was. I was in the United States already at the peak of Jenny Jones and Ricky Lake.

[Ali]

Oh, yeah.

[Kalila]

Those are my favorite. Those are my girls. Yeah.

[Esther]

What trashy ones?

[Ali]

Yeah, I would watch.

[Kalila]

I mean, I would.

[Ali]

I would watch Montel McNachos.

[Kalila]

I would watch Mari. I would watch Jer Jerry. All of them.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Oh, my God.

[Ali]

They don't mean Girls Club. Bad Girls Club.

[Kalila]

Bad Girls Club.

[Ali]

Yes.

[Kalila]

Bad Girls Club.

[Ali]

I watch.

[Jenna]

Wait, T. I do remember that. Do you remember the box where all you would watch was music videos?

[Kalila]

The box.

[Jenna]

It's called the Box. It was mtv the Box. And no. No one.

[Ali]

Yeah, okay. I mean, I know the music videos. I don't know the name. The Box.

[Kalila]

I watch all the VH1s. Like, the Shot at Love with Tila tequila. Brett Michaels one.

[Ali]

Oh, my God. Rock of Love.

[Kalila]

Rock of Love.

[Ali]

God. Re. I miss reality tv when it was pure trying to get Instagram followers.

[Kalila]

I didn't watch Endurance. I would have. It would have been right up my alley. I wish. I wish I had known about it.

[Esther]

Jenna was on a reality show when she was a child. What was on two seasons of it, and she won the second.

[Jenna]

What.

[Ali]

What show?

[Jenna]

It was called Endurance. It was, like, Survivor for kids.

[Kalila]

That's so cool.

[Jenna]

And I was out of control.

[Kalila]

What?

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Like. And she has, like, fans from it.

[Ali]

How can I watch?

[Jenna]

I don't even know how to watch it. The fans know how to watch it, where to find it. They have. It's got to be on YouTube about it. They have games that they do.

[Ali]

Where was Endurance? What channel was it on? Discovery.

[Kalila]

Oh, my God.

[Esther]

Or maybe it was the first season was on NBC and then it was on a screen.

[Kalila]

Where did you film it?

[Jenna]

Oh, the first one was Catalina Island. Oh, fun. It was off of Catalina Island.

[Ali]

Yeah. Like, probably on the backside or something.

[Kalila]

Back of Cats.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

It was, like, seemed deserted. And the second one was an island off of an island in Mexico. Like, no one there. The two people we had watching us are chaperones. They were this. This cute couple from Hawaii who I still keep in contact with. They're like scorpions biting kids. We could do whatever we want. You take the paddle board out to see no one's watching you.

[Kalila]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna]

But then Once. Once the host comes and once they start recording, then the camera crew comes and then the host comes. But before that, you're just like melting in the sun. 118 degrees.

[Ali]

That's so cool.

[Jenna]

It was amazing.

[Esther]

Howell was on it.

[Jenna]

Oh, yeah. That's how I met him.

[Ali]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna]

He made it one day. And my theory is that that is why he's so successful, because he just holds on to the fact that he fell off the rings the first day.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

And so he really pushed the rest of his life to have.

[Ali]

Did you want to be like a child actor or was this just like a random thing that she was. You were.

[Jenna]

I actually didn't want to do this initially. I was like, I'm not doing this. So I thought, thought that when I did the audition, if I just acted like whatever, that they would not.

[Ali]

And they're like, we need the whatever girl.

[Jenna]

And so. But yes. So because of that, I think they thought that I was gonna be like, really negative and drama filled.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Because I was like, I don't know, whatever. And then so the first day we get there, the host, J.D. roth is like, so Jenna, do you like surprises? And I was like, yeah. Like, I. All I wanted to do was hang out with the friends I had made there and then win challenges. But I didn't care about like scheming or talking about the challenges or planning. Luckily, I had a really good team partner, Max, because he just planned everything. I was 14 on the first season.

[Ali]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna]

And then I got voted back in the second season by the viewers.

[Esther]

Literally the fan favorite.

[Jenna]

So sad.

[Ali]

Would you ever do Survivor?

[Jenna]

No.

[Ali]

Why?

[Jenna]

Guys, I'm allergic to too many things. I got too much health.

[Ali]

No, but once you're out on the island, it might free.

[Jenna]

I think I might heal me.

[Kalila]

I think it will because you're gonna be like, you know what? I can trust my body.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Ali]

Okay, so Esther's gonna take sexy photos of herself. You're gonna go on Survivor.

[Jenna]

No.

[Kalila]

What are your goals?

[Esther]

Wait, I also said was gonna say we should do a check in.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Esther]

This is a very like, we should do a style episode.

[Jenna]

Like everyone first. I'm not.

[Kalila]

Well, are these real chocolate or. No,

[Jenna]

you have to bite into them to see.

[Esther]

Let's go around. Who has complaints, who has feelings, who has goals.

[Jenna]

Oh, yeah, those are real gold.

[Ali]

Wow, that really killed.

[Esther]

That was great.

[Jenna]

You never know.

[Ali]

I have bv. The doctor made me do my own. I always have bv.

[Kalila]

Wait, do you have not had urea, plasma or mycoplasma?

[Jenna]

Yet?

[Ali]

No.

[Kalila]

Because those are usually the culprits of chronic bv.

[Ali]

Really?

[Kalila]

Yeah. So I would. I would check with you.

[Ali]

What do I do?

[Kalila]

Some doctors don't even mention it to you. And it's just in the last two years, where Esther and I have been like, whoa, this is a thing.

[Esther]

Like, you have to, like, know someone to know about it.

[Jenna]

Question. Do you have an iud?

[Ali]

Oh, I'm raw dogging you.

[Kalila]

Hell yeah.

[Jenna]

Ever have an iud?

[Ali]

Never.

[Kalila]

No, never. I would never.

[Esther]

Like, are you on birth controlists? Would you know what triggered or what?

[Ali]

I just remember. I got it in high school, and I remember going into my stepmom and dad's room, crying, going, I need to see the doctor.

[Jenna]

Okay.

[Ali]

I have a lot of discharge.

[Kalila]

Were you already sexually active?

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

I'm wondering if something threw your microbiome off and it. I mean, because that's what happens with our guts, right? Like, people have gut issues forever because it's so hard.

[Ali]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Jenna]

I'm just.

[Ali]

I'm always leaking.

[Kalila]

I'm telling you, she's soaking wet.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Esther]

What protocol are you on right now?

[Ali]

Well, she gave me antibiotics, which I'm like, whatever. I know this coming back. I don't. I didn't even check.

[Kalila]

Is it boric acid?

[Jenna]

Have you ever tried.

[Ali]

No, I've done boric acid that's like, such a temporary fit. But then I got this natural one. It's like, where'd my chocolate go? I got this natural one that's like eucalyptus.

[Kalila]

Wow.

[Ali]

I got this, like, natural boric acid suppository that's like eucalyptus. And so when I put it in, it just makes my kuchi smell like tea tree oil. And that's fine.

[Jenna]

Okay. Tea tree oil is good.

[Esther]

Antibacterial.

[Ali]

Do anything.

[Jenna]

Anyway, figure this out. You have three doctors right here.

[Ali]

Okay, great. Ab. They made me do my own swab.

[Esther]

Like, you went in and swabbed.

[Ali]

I went in. I was very thorough.

[Jenna]

Like that. And then you break the stick off. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ali]

It was fun.

[Esther]

It kind of rally me off, though,

[Ali]

cuz I'm like, you do it.

[Esther]

Doctor's like, this is.

[Jenna]

She wouldn't do anything.

[Ali]

I'm like, can you give me a breast exam? She's like, why? I'm like, because I don't. I don't want you to touch my boot. I'm not a pervert. I'm not just, like, trying to con this doctor into, like, groping me. I'm like, just do a breast exam.

[Esther]

Well, I Also feel like doctors really do not. Gynecologists do not give a. About BV or like those kinds of issues. It's really frustrating because it used to be like the standard was like there were obs and there were gynecologists, and now the trend is like it's OB gyn.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Esther]

And so they really only give a. About delivering your baby and your pregnancy. And like once you have these other issues, they're kind of like, like me, like come in and swab yourself. Like, they just. It's just not really taken seriously. But there are Eurogynecologists, which I've never seen, but European. No, they're urologists who also do gynecology, which could be a good person to see. But Kylo's right. Like you have to ask for like a more advanced swab.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Esther]

And be tested for urea plasma.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Esther]

And then that. Cuz. Because then you'll get. Get prescribed a specific type of antibiotic that treats that.

[Jenna]

Yes.

[Kalila]

And then your partner will then also need to be checked for urea plasma. Because what can happen is you keep giving it back to each other, but

[Jenna]

then that can be a. A fix, a cure.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I want to heal your business

[Ali]

syndrome,

[Esther]

but does it hurt at all?

[Ali]

No, no. No sweat. No, just real, real juicy.

[Esther]

That's the thing. Like, BV technically doesn't cause or itching, but for me, when I had it after, when I was postpartum and like went through a crazy time with it, I thought it was that. And then I went. Found out that when I went to pelvic floor PT that those symptoms were mimicking like, oh my God, there must be something wrong. It's so like irritated. And that was just. My muscles were like this.

[Jenna]

It was your pelvic floor.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Esther]

I always had thought that BB gives you symptoms like that.

[Kalila]

It can, can.

[Esther]

It can absolutely.

[Kalila]

Yeah. BV can be very uncomfortable for some people.

[Esther]

I have.

[Jenna]

I.

[Esther]

Whenever I read about it, they say that it's yeast infections that are uncomfortable and. Bb oh my God.

[Ali]

One time my sister got some sort of like yeast infection or something with her coochie. And it was so swollen. It was so giant.

[Kalila]

Giant, like giant fat, big lips. Yeah.

[Ali]

So cute.

[Esther]

That's why I'm not looking.

[Ali]

It was hilarious.

[Kalila]

But you don't have anyone looking at your. For you if you need. Other than your gynecolog. My sister, if I'm like, hey, this thing feels weird. And if I think I have like a Bartholin cyst or something like that, she Comes right over and she zooms in with a camera, takes a picture for me. She's like, this is what we're dealing with. And we just look at each other's. Yeah. I feel like you have that with Jenna.

[Esther]

I feel like I haven't had to. But I would ask you.

[Ali]

I'm available.

[Esther]

Thank you. You're just so medical.

[Jenna]

I mean, bodies are our bodies to me. And anything other than that, putties are corpses to me.

[Kalila]

They mean nothing. They're dead.

[Jenna]

Anything other than that is just like whatever you want to put onto it.

[Ali]

You're gonna love the crayon spa.

[Jenna]

They view your bodies just as bodies. They're there, just.

[Kalila]

Yeah, you're just meat, baby.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

No matter. No one's looking at your curves, how skinny you are. Nothing there.

[Esther]

No. In my mind, I truly need to think that, like, if some. I've said this before, if someone sliced my arm off, that it would be like a Barbie inside and be rubber. Like, that's how I have to live. I cannot do. Like, this is what I want to get hypnotized for, is that when I get blood draws, it's very, very, very mentally uncomfortable for me.

[Ali]

Why? Veins. I love it.

[Jenna]

For me, I don't. I always watch, and I don't mind the needle going in, and I don't mind any part of that. But I do get worried that I'm gonna pass out.

[Kalila]

That's something you cannot control. Because I know nurses who literally start IVs all day who pass out when they get their blood drawn. So it has nothing to do with maybe squeamish. It's like something in. It's a built in mechanism. I think that's really normal for humans to feel, like, off when something penetrates their skin.

[Jenna]

For me, it's like when the blood keeps going out. I'm thinking, like, do I have enough blood? You have so much my blood sugar.

[Kalila]

Can I just let you know those blood draws will not affect you that way?

[Jenna]

Yeah. Kalila used to come with me, and I would.

[Kalila]

I would sit on my lap.

[Jenna]

I would sit on her lap and then she would have coconut water ready for me, and they'd be like, actually, as soon as we start the blood draw, you can. If I was fasting, you can start drinking.

[Kalila]

Oh, I tell the nurse she passes out, guys. So let's just be.

[Jenna]

You know, I've never. Calm and sweet, but she. Yeah, she has it, but it's old. Passing out trauma. Also you. And you can attest this and tell her because you're A real doctor. Doctor. She. She don't be drinking a lot of water. Before a blood draw or an infusion, you have to drink water.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Oh, we've got another doctor here. Tell her.

[Ali]

Okay. So when I went to the doctor, I, like, wanted to do everything.

[Esther]

So they drew the layer just going like this.

[Ali]

Well, I've good veins.

[Jenna]

Addict veins.

[Kalila]

My. My veins are gonna blow your mind right now.

[Ali]

Really?

[Kalila]

If I show you.

[Esther]

What are you guys.

[Kalila]

Guys do.

[Ali]

Oh, yeah, wait, but I have a funny story about v. What the.

[Jenna]

Look, let's. Let's hold this. Let's get the vein coming.

[Esther]

What are they doing? No one else is feeling what I'm feeling.

[Kalila]

No one else. You're alone?

[Ali]

Over New Year's, I was sick. I got really sick, and I had to do a show, and so I had, like, a mobile iv. Do you ever do, like, mobile iv?

[Esther]

I have, like, when does that freak you out? Blood draws and injections freak me out. So I just go like this, and I go like, I'm going to look at my phone and pretend this isn't happening. Just let me know when all is good.

[Jenna]

Smart. That's fine.

[Ali]

Yeah, but I had the. The lady give me a mobile IV drip before the show, and she. And someone was like, oh, like, you're so lucky. You probably get to do this all the time. She's like, yeah, sometimes I just do it between my toes. I'm like. Like a junkie. You're doing IV drips between the toes? Isn't that insane? I don't know. I was like, you're an animal.

[Kalila]

That isn't.

[Ali]

That is a very.

[Kalila]

Not a fun choice voice because your hands and feet are already so sensitive. You have a lot of just nerves in that area that would. I hate IVs near my hands. No, thank you. Give me my AC all day.

[Ali]

I feel like this is like a torture podcast for us.

[Esther]

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[Jenna]

Chicago? Yeah. Because it's false. Because it's not true. If I were from New York, I wouldn't say I was like from Poughkeepsie or like upstate or how far away is it?

[Kalila]

Like how far away is Skokie from the city?

[Jenna]

It doesn't matter if it's one block,

[Esther]

15 minutes away from each other.

[Jenna]

The difference is that she did not take the train to school. She didn't grow up with the same people, the same demographic. Like, when you are from Chicago, when you're from the city, you have a whole different life. Someone, I think if you're talking.

[Ali]

Talking to someone who's from Illinois, you have to say Skokie.

[Esther]

I do. And I.

[Ali]

If you're talking to people who aren't familiar with Chicago or Illinois, you say Chicago.

[Jenna]

I feel like the issue. Exactly.

[Ali]

Because no one's gonna know Skokie. They're gonna be like, where's that Chicago? Okay.

[Esther]

I'm exactly to begin with. And I'm not trying to pretend like I'm from Chicago. I don't give a. I have Skokie pride till I die. Skokie is way better than the whole city of Chicago. And you would know it because you're always going out to eat in Skokie. You're always in Skokie, bro.

[Jenna]

Bro, you need to down right now.

[Esther]

You are always in scope. Get Peted in Europe. You're at places I've never been.

[Ali]

I don't know.

[Jenna]

Fuck, where the fuck I'm going to eat. PETA in and Skokie. I'm leaving, okay? I am leaving. There is no way in hell you're going to tell me that Skokie is better than Chicago. It is. What Esther does when she goes home, she stays at home because Skokie is whack. You know what I do when I go home? I'm out and about. I'm in the city.

[Esther]

I take beautiful walks. The neighborhood Skokie, like, is it just

[Kalila]

like a retro suburb?

[Jenna]

It's like this parking lot.

[Kalila]

Is it. What's the demographic breakdown? Is it really white?

[Esther]

Oh, is it really white?

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Esther]

I went to a high school that was the most diverse high school in the country.

[Kalila]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Esther]

It's not white at all. I have no white neighbors. Well, there's. It's Jewish, but it's very, very diverse.

[Jenna]

Okay, but it's not as diverse as Chicago or. I don't know. Just because we have more of different tiny races. You didn't have a school that was like, 80% not white?

[Kalila]

I.

[Esther]

We might have.

[Jenna]

And no, I think that's Skokie. It looks like. It looks like the 1900. It looks like Rutherford Falls.

[Esther]

Well, that's downtown Skokie. Lots of white.

[Ali]

Wow.

[Kalila]

That looks very. Not Chicago.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Like, for someone to say. Listen, I'm not trying to say that you try and claim Chicago.

[Esther]

I don't. I don't.

[Jenna]

And I do agree with you. If you're talking to someone who does not know Chicago, it is pointless to not just say Chicago.

[Esther]

And I think it's different if someone from, like, Libertyville says they're from Chicago. Skogie is adjacent to Chicago. It's adjacent. I grew up also on the border of Skogie and Evanston. Like, what county?

[Jenna]

Skokie and Evanston are very cool county.

[Ali]

Okay. Because I was gonna. What about la?

[Kalila]

Like, do you have to be from

[Ali]

the city to say you're from LA

[Jenna]

is kind of hard.

[Ali]

I'm a Long beach girl.

[Kalila]

If you're Long beach, you gotta say Long Beach.

[Ali]

I have to say Long Beach. And sometimes if I'm talking, like, back when I was on, like, Omegle or whatever, I would just say, because people. Some people don't know Long beach, and it's technically LA County. Omegle's like when you talk to strangers online and they're usually jerking off. Oh, I like those chat rooms. Yeah.

[Jenna]

Wait, what was that chat room that people used to go into?

[Ali]

Chat roulette. Chat roulette.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Ali]

So same thing.

[Jenna]

Okay.

[Ali]

Yeah. It's like, I'm from Long beach, and my boyfriend's from la.

[Kalila]

Would.

[Ali]

And he's from the Valley. But it's like, you can't.

[Jenna]

It's very particular to do, like, from LA to Chicago.

[Kalila]

But I would say you guys aren't gonna get this. But if someone was like, I'm from a very specific part of the Philippines called Cebu, I take issue with anyone thinking that I'm just from Manila. It's a very big difference. So I understand what you're saying. And I'm like, no, I am sa. Don't you ever get that wrong. I am not from Manila. We are a very specific type here.

[Jenna]

Nothing wrong with Skokie. My grandmother lived there. I spent time there when I was younger. My mom grew up. Well, my mom half grew up on the south side and then half grew up in. In Skokie.

[Esther]

Would you like to retire there with me?

[Jenna]

No. Absolutely. I couldn't live there.

[Esther]

Actually, I shouldn't say. Would you like to. You're going to.

[Jenna]

I could not live there.

[Esther]

That's crazy to say. It's 15 minutes from where you grew up, and for you to say you can't live there is outrageous.

[Jenna]

You know what?

[Esther]

You know what's also Drive from where she lives.

[Kalila]

I understand this. I'll tell you why. I'll give you a Perfect example.

[Jenna]

Do you live in Sherman Oaks versus Highland Park? I don't want to live in Sherman Oaks. Massively different.

[Esther]

They're not only. They're like 45 minutes apart.

[Jenna]

Does it matter?

[Kalila]

Can I tell you a good example? Right now, where I live is about 10 minutes away from Pasadena. But I can tell you that it is a world of difference. This place where I'm living right now.

[Jenna]

It is very different.

[Kalila]

Soulless. It is. It doesn't.

[Esther]

How dare you disrespect, respect the land that you live on like this? It's like.

[Kalila]

It's just like the demographic is like,

[Jenna]

I'm sorry, but 15 minutes doesn't matter. Okay.

[Ali]

One block when I'm walking my dog is like a whole new world.

[Jenna]

World. See, Disney.

[Ali]

And I can't claim because it is like the line that one block is the line to a different city in la. You know what's also, I can't claim it because I'm like, if I were to tell someone I live in that neighborhood and then they come to my house, they're going to. To be like, no.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

You guys know what? Something else. Gilead was 15 minutes from Canada. Completely different places from Handmaid's Tale.

[Ali]

Handmaid's Tale?

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

It was just over the border.

[Kalila]

Tijuana, I love.

[Jenna]

Right next to San Diego. Are they the same? Oh, you're 15. No, you're different. Completely different.

[Esther]

Wait, did you watch Handmaid's Tale?

[Kalila]

I loved Handmaid's Tale. I didn't watch the last season.

[Jenna]

I'm on the last season.

[Esther]

Jen and I, we have you. You watch.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Jen and I decided that if we were casting, like, our group of friends, we've decided your Aunt Lydia, I would.

[Kalila]

I would gladly take on because Kalila

[Jenna]

would be like, get on the floor, dear. Get on the floor.

[Esther]

Get on the floor.

[Jenna]

Aunt Lydia, to me, you would force feed us food.

[Kalila]

I'm the only person who knows torture tactics because they've been inflicted onto me. Right. So I'm the only one who knows how to relate. Really make you listen.

[Ali]

I feel the abuser.

[Kalila]

Yeah. I become the abuser. That makes sense. Thank you.

[Esther]

Of Nick.

[Jenna]

No, no. I would be Nick.

[Esther]

You already said immediately. You're like, I'm June Osborne.

[Ali]

That's so pick me.

[Kalila]

She's like, I'm.

[Esther]

She looked at me like that when she.

[Kalila]

I thought you were gonna say I was a Martha.

[Jenna]

I would be June Osborne.

[Esther]

I would save this. Really funny to call anyone Aunt Lydia.

[Jenna]

To be fair, she called me Aunt Lydia first.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I feel like you know, you would be a surreal Serena.

[Esther]

Yeah, I love. Thank you. I love that.

[Jenna]

Wait, why? But I don't know if he would be Serena.

[Kalila]

You know, when the, the.

[Ali]

The.

[Kalila]

The mother or June is like giving birth, Serena is also doing the noises the same.

[Esther]

Wait, Ally, who are you?

[Ali]

I can't. I don't know. I'm thinking and I. You can be. I feel like maybe I'm. I'm.

[Esther]

I'm one eyed girl.

[Ali]

I'm the friend, the one. No.

[Esther]

Oh, Moira.

[Ali]

Moira. Maybe I'm Moira. I'm like, I gotta go. I'll be a hooker for a little bit and then I'm just going to get out of here.

[Kalila]

I thought maybe you would say I was in like the radiation farms guys.

[Jenna]

But what I do know is that we would come together and we would be a part of the revolution. See, that's why she's.

[Esther]

I actually need. I met Lydia. How much joy would I derive out of being Aunt Lydia?

[Jenna]

Honestly? Maybe she's Aunt Lydia. You're June Osborne. I'm the strippers.

[Kalila]

I like the strippers.

[Esther]

You trying to back down from being June Osborne when you literally go June?

[Jenna]

I was like, I would. I would be saving us. I would be going in irrationally killing people. I've got an. I probably have a knife in this pocket. Oh, that's an airpod.

[Ali]

You're traveling with a knife.

[Kalila]

I think it's illegal. After past a certain size.

[Jenna]

I always have a knife somewhere.

[Ali]

Whoa.

[Esther]

Okay. Who else has complaints, comments on their life? Who's checking in just to.

[Jenna]

I just hope that my health gets better. I'm sad, frustrated, sad, sad. Not processing a lot. Hoping that any of these doctor's appointments can help with anything because your eye,

[Esther]

your vision changes your one eye.

[Jenna]

Yeah. And my heart stuff.

[Ali]

Well then maybe you are the redhead from Handmaid's Tale.

[Jenna]

I love Janine.

[Kalila]

She's so great.

[Esther]

She's amazing.

[Jenna]

Oh yeah. Rocking the eye patch. Okay, that's fine. Trying to hold myself accountable with goals. Like making deodorant goals. Having a real. Trying to find rep, continuing to. Do you do self tapes a lot? Do you hate them? Okay, who doesn't hate that?

[Ali]

I honestly felt good about the latest one I did and I've never felt this way. Okay. I like actually love it.

[Jenna]

That's great.

[Ali]

Like I would be willing to show you guys and I would never show anyone the light of day anything I've ever self taped.

[Jenna]

Is this one was the.

[Esther]

For the commercial or.

[Ali]

No, no, no, no. This was for like a movie. But I normally feel terrible doing them.

[Jenna]

They can be fun. I think my issue is that I never have someone to read with. So it's always like oh, what am I going to do? How am I going to find this person? Aside from prepping. Hit me up, up girl. Don't tell me cuz I will. Good you can. I will also help you with self taste anytime.

[Kalila]

I've turned a corner.

[Esther]

What do you mean?

[Kalila]

I haven't announced I'm not pregnant.

[Jenna]

Oh my God. I was like, oh my God.

[Kalila]

I had one really bad day I think like right before the turn of the new year, maybe right after the new year. And I was like I'm so over myself. I'm so over complaining. I'm so over feeling this way. I've turned a corner. I've. I'm committed to feeling joy.

[Esther]

You really seem like it.

[Kalila]

I, I, you'd be surprised. I am so just tired of fucking complaining about shit. I really, I'm committed to like feeling joy. Not in like. I don't think there's such a thing as like sustained happiness but like feeling in every single day no matter where.

[Jenna]

Good.

[Kalila]

Whatever, whatever it is. Even if it's like I don't want to do. I'm like, let me find it.

[Jenna]

There's a lot of good stuff everywhere.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I'm such a negative Nancy sometimes. And like postpartums really like put me in like a state of just like extreme fatigue that it was hard to find like places of like. But now I'm like okay, you can laugh, you can smile and feel light again. So I'm gonna.

[Jenna]

Not if you're Aunt Lydia.

[Kalila]

No, no no no.

[Esther]

But share examples like of how this has been working.

[Kalila]

Yeah. I'm choosing to just kind of laugh about misfortune instead of just like if something bad goes wrong. In my day, for instance, on my way here, didn't have my keys to my car. I mean I had my keys but my new car wouldn't turn on. And I was like haha, how funny. I just spent a ton of money

[Jenna]

like you have a new car, I got a new car and you didn't tell me about it.

[Kalila]

It's a similar, it's just a little bigger.

[Esther]

She traded him for something bigger.

[Kalila]

Yeah. Anyways. But yeah, I'm committed to finding the joy in, in small silly things again. Cuz I think I, I wasn't doing that.

[Jenna]

That's the only way to stay alive. For sure.

[Kalila]

Yeah. That's my little update positive.

[Ali]

I opened a piggy bank. What I Had had a big event since 2022, and I would only put large bills in there. So, like, whenever I get paid by, like, a comedy club and I get, like, you know, $100 or $50 or whatever, I would just put the large bills into this little piggy bank. And the only way you can open it is, like, you have to crack it open.

[Jenna]

Wait, let's guess how much is in it first.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

How big is a piggy bank?

[Ali]

So it's like a square box.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Okay.

[Ali]

And I've had it since 2022. And, you know, I was getting stressed about some bills I had to pay, so I was like, now's the time to open it. Hopefully there's enough in here to, you know.

[Jenna]

I did that two months ago with my coin piggy bank, you remember? And I. You go to the bank, and they give you the sleeves, and you have to fill the sleeves with on your own. They don't do it for you anymore.

[Ali]

Why don't you just go to this thing at the grocery store where you just dump it?

[Jenna]

Money from you.

[Ali]

Like, how much?

[Jenna]

Like 10 bucks. All I had in this $54.

[Kalila]

Wait, what? How much? I guess. What's your guess?

[Ali]

If it's here was my guess before I started. My guess was, like, I don't know, maybe $11,000.

[Kalila]

2022.

[Esther]

You said since 2022, we have a guess.

[Kalila]

We have this size, and it's only big bills.

[Jenna]

Yeah, but it's like, how many times is she getting paid?

[Ali]

I think my boyfriend thought maybe around, like, 3000.

[Kalila]

I want to say like 2500.

[Jenna]

Okay, let's see.

[Kalila]

She's gonna think too hard. We're gonna be here a while, and

[Esther]

I'm not guessing because this is ridiculous. Okay, tell us.

[Jenna]

Okay, wait. I will say, let's spend 3,000. Guess 3,200.

[Ali]

Okay. And you don't want to put in a guess. A rough estimate.

[Jenna]

1700, 1500.

[Ali]

I had $8270.

[Esther]

Are you kidding me?

[Ali]

No. I swear to God.

[Jenna]

When you were counting it, were you. You just like.

[Ali]

Yeah, yeah. It was insane.

[Jenna]

You had almost $10,000.

[Ali]

Yeah. So now I got. I ordered another one.

[Kalila]

Not to, like, be such a mommy about this, but I'm really mad that you didn't put it into, like, a mutual fund.

[Ali]

Well, I needed. I needed it.

[Kalila]

Okay.

[Ali]

The reason I cracked it open was because it needed to be cracked.

[Kalila]

Emergency.

[Ali]

If it was just for funsies, for sure, sure. But in this moment, I was like, I have bills to pay, credit cards to pay off. So that was pretty exciting.

[Jenna]

That is incredibly amazing.

[Ali]

Yeah. And it was funny. Speaking of what your goal was at the start of the day, I was like, fuck all this. I have to pay for and pay

[Esther]

off and chicken fucking shit.

[Ali]

I'm gonna be selling my body on the street because I'm fucking chick. And then I cracked open the piggy bank and I was like, life is beautiful.

[Jenna]

You were like, look at God. God loves me. Bl.

[Kalila]

And his favorite.

[Ali]

Yes.

[Jenna]

Praise be.

[Ali]

Yeah. My boyfriend tried to be like, I think we were both putting money in there. No. And I was like. And it was before we cracked it open. I was like, no. I offered for both of us to use it and to use it as, like, a fun little vacation thing. And you started putting $1 bills in there. And I said, no, this is only mine. And so as soon as we cracked it open, there was like $12 in ones. And I was like, and here's yours. And the rest is one. Yeah. That was exciting. Exciting. What about you?

[Esther]

Is anyone else on their algorithm on tick Tock having the talking vegetables?

[Ali]

Oh, my God, I'm so sick of these have Tick Tock. But that sounds really life hacks.

[Esther]

So it's literally every single.

[Ali]

I watched the one this morning was like rice. After 24 hours, you have to throw it out.

[Esther]

Lettuce posture me with a paper towel.

[Ali]

Like, well, you know what pisses me off the other day, I'm taking the glasses off. You know what pisses me off? So, you know, I'll tell my boyfriend something. Oh, in the fridge, we have to put this here. This is where this goes. Put it there in the fridge. When we put it in there, he watches one AI video of milk not going on the door, and he's like, babe, we have to move the milk. I'm like, who said it? Me. You'd rather listen to AI than a woman? Yeah.

[Jenna]

They don't hear you. They don't hear you. This is, like, classic. And then they try and make believe that, like, they made it up.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Oh, I was thinking. You weren't never thinking.

[Esther]

I love them and I wish I did.

[Ali]

What's your favorite?

[Esther]

Driving me crazy.

[Jenna]

Oh, wait, but if they're teaching us things, I think that's cool.

[Esther]

They are, but I'm not retaining. Someone said one of the. The cabbage said, don't boil me.

[Kalila]

You want to blanch, not boil. The cabbage says that you lose all the nutrients.

[Jenna]

Nutrients.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Esther]

It should just be cooked, sauteed fast, on high.

[Ali]

That's a good tip for St. Patrick's Day. A lot of cabbage for St. Patrick's Day.

[Kalila]

This annoys me only because I don't like half boiled, like sort of crispy vegetables. Like, I like my stew soggy, so I need my cabbage soft. I don't need it crunchy.

[Jenna]

Unless it's not like listening because I'm watching vegetables. There's something that happens.

[Esther]

And the raw chicken says, don't rinse him off in the sink because you'll just spread his bact else he doesn't need to.

[Ali]

Off my chicken.

[Kalila]

Yeah. Do you guys want to weigh in on that, by the way, the chicken.

[Ali]

There's such a debate online about washing

[Esther]

the chicken or not.

[Kalila]

I rinse my chicken.

[Esther]

You do?

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Esther]

I don't.

[Ali]

I did once and then from then on I was like this. I'm just patting it dry.

[Kalila]

But anytime I do rinse my chicken, I always rinse my sink right after, like really, really well because, you know, I'm aware of like salmonella and stuff. Also, like, like my, my partner is basically like a butcher. Right. Like he butchers like whole animals after he hunts them. So he's very specific about like me tandem.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Ali]

That's all the cook said is like, don't wash it. It'll just get all over the walls and the sink and you're spreading more

[Kalila]

than if you just cook it off. Yeah.

[Jenna]

Also the sponges that people just leave in the fudgeing sink.

[Kalila]

That's nasty.

[Jenna]

The dirtiest place ever is a fudgeing sink.

[Esther]

Well, what are you supposed to do?

[Jenna]

Put it not inside the sink where all the is going.

[Kalila]

Oh my God, your phone exploded.

[Jenna]

And like microwave your sponge if you need to. To kill stuff or just.

[Kalila]

I would be careful with that because you're melting plastic.

[Ali]

I just got my first microwave.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Wait, that's huge.

[Jenna]

I don't have one.

[Ali]

I just got a microwave.

[Kalila]

What are you microwaving?

[Ali]

Oh, the other day I microwaved a pasta salad. Even though it was supposed to be cold, it was not tasting good, so I ended up just microwaving it. That's the only thing I've microwaved so far. But my dad is moving to Arizona, so he was cleaning out his garage for a garage sale and he just had a perfectly untouched microwave sitting back there. And I went through a lot of like old photos of me as a little girl. I really peaked at seven. I feel like that was my hottest.

[Kalila]

Seven was your hottest?

[Ali]

Yeah, I was a. I was a cute little seven year old.

[Jenna]

A hot.

[Ali]

Not hot, but you're hottest than looking. I Guess it was my. It was my most adorable. It was my most precious.

[Jenna]

But you're hot now.

[Ali]

Now I've got a hot.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Ali]

Yeah. One time, I don't know why, I just thought of this just, like, look. Smacking. I went to get my eyebrows done. You know how, like, in L. A. Sometimes there's just things that are, like, ridiculously expensive and people think they're good because it's expensive down.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Ali]

So I wanted to get my eyebrows done by this, like, expensive eyebrow person. And they truly plucked, like, five eyebrows off my face and were like, that's $300. And I just truly had to, like, $290 in my bank account at the time. And I had to call my sisters crying, like, please send me. Yeah, send me, like, $20 so I can pay the. This.

[Jenna]

Wait, that's crazy. The best person for eyebrows in LA is Marco Ooa. I will say that now. He's been doing my brows for 10 years. I haven't done them in two years. But he does them so much. He does them in such a way where, like, he might only take off five. But that's not crazy.

[Ali]

And I had messaged them, like, if you need an eyebrow model, I have so much eyebrows and blah, blah, blah.

[Kalila]

You have phenomenal eyebrows.

[Ali]

Blah, blah, blah. Like, I gave them this whole spiel. This is like, almost like nine or eight years ago or something. But then they're like, yeah, totally. So I go in thinking I'm about to get hooked up.

[Jenna]

Oh, no.

[Ali]

And then it was full price. Wow.

[Jenna]

I would have pulled up that chat and been like, you guys said, yeah, I know.

[Ali]

I was too young to be bold. I was too scared. What do you guys look. Smack. What's your, like, favorite, like, beauty thing?

[Kalila]

I'm in a slump. I haven't looks max anything.

[Ali]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna]

You got to look smack.

[Ali]

That's when you, like, try to, like. Like trying to be your hot.

[Kalila]

But typically, typically, it's always making sure that my teeth are white. I do cross the white strips.

[Ali]

Those make my teeth hurt.

[Jenna]

I like mine yellow.

[Kalila]

Maybe you're putting it too close to the gum.

[Ali]

Oh, yeah.

[Esther]

Really?

[Kalila]

Because it burns. Right? But I haven't done that in a while. I don't know. I'm very low maintenance, though, because I think I'm just too lazy.

[Esther]

I love a little bit of a, like, slight flip over line.

[Ali]

Oh, overline with a natural color. I don't know how to over line. You'll have to teach me.

[Esther]

Yeah, it's kind of just like fate. Like, you almost like just go to the tippy top.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

My thing used to be a lash lift. That was like the thing that I would do.

[Ali]

And then my eyes would always get infected. I'd always have like bulging red eyes after like a lash treatment.

[Jenna]

That's horrific. It sounds like they're sensitive. Yeah, well, my CSR started a couple of hours after my last lash lift. And so now I don't get them anymore because I believe that it was because of the extreme heat that they put on, like on the. They did like a bean bag and then they do the heat to like set the. The treatment. And it was so hot. And I remember telling them like, oh, that's. That's just really, really hot. And so they took it off and went like this a little bit. They put it on. I did tell them that it was okay. So that's on me because I was like, jenna, this is your medical trauma speaking, like, what's the worst that's going to happen?

[Kalila]

You're going to get a migraine. Migraine?

[Jenna]

Yeah. I literally. I was sitting there going, you're just gonna get. I mean, if you get a migraine, then you get a migraine. Okay. Like, everything's gonna be fine.

[Esther]

Why do we all do this? We all do this.

[Ali]

I know.

[Esther]

Do you do this?

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

When I'm getting like a massage, Jenna will tell you, like, I'm getting beat the up. And I don't say, hi. She goes, how's the pressure? I said, fine, it's fine.

[Ali]

And I'm like, massage?

[Jenna]

I. I'm like, no, can you do a little more there? Can you do it there?

[Kalila]

Not me. Like, she's literally like, like just going and cuz. And then I don't know because here's the thing. I already said I like strong pressure. I just don't know what strong from this lady feels like. And I'm feeling up like I'm being beat the up. But I can't backtrack. So I'm just like.

[Esther]

They go so light on me. They're like, how's the pressure? I'm like, it's good. And I feel nothing. And it like, it's just. I'm just like laying there frustrated.

[Kalila]

They're very small, right? They see like, like a big back like me. And they're like, we gotta pound her out.

[Jenna]

They see bones also. I feel. You don't. Do you really tell them like, what type of pressure you want?

[Esther]

Yeah, I always pretty much say firm.

[Ali]

Firm. What am I supposed to say? I've never used that firm is like tempurpedic.

[Esther]

What am I supposed to say if not firm?

[Kalila]

Do you go deep tissue? Do you do, like, myofascial release? Do you?

[Ali]

I'm getting a lymphatic massage.

[Kalila]

Oh, you're gonna love it.

[Ali]

On, like, when is it? Like, tomorrow. Tomorrow.

[Jenna]

Will you send me the info?

[Esther]

I.

[Ali]

Yes, I will. I'll let you know. I saw it on Tick Tock and I.

[Esther]

Where are you going?

[Ali]

I don't know. We'll find out tomorrow.

[Jenna]

But now that I can't be looking snatched, maybe that'll be my thing.

[Ali]

I feel. Yeah, I feel like I just have, like, things that need to be drained. I feel like I just, you know,

[Jenna]

I feel like I need to rip my face off.

[Kalila]

You know, I have a lady who doesn't do. She doesn't do, like, traditional facials. Her name is Magumi and she just does gua sha. And it's really great. Just an hour. It doesn't feel great because she really, like, gets in there. But it's lymphatic still. But just for your face and neck.

[Jenna]

But isn't gua sha not supposed to be hard? It's just, like, some parts, but if

[Kalila]

you go across the forehead, it's going to feel hard because you have bone.

[Jenna]

Right.

[Kalila]

It's very shallow. Right.

[Jenna]

I would love to do that because now that I can't do the lash lifts and I'm not going to do Botox. Oh, I do the sticky things.

[Kalila]

What are they?

[Jenna]

Frownies. I do frownies and I know that they work.

[Kalila]

Really?

[Jenna]

I used to have my 11s indented into. I will show you pictures. Indented engraved into my face. And then I did it for, like, two weeks. You're not supposed to do it all the time. And now I just do upkeep.

[Kalila]

Oh, cool.

[Esther]

I have a complaint.

[Ali]

Yeah?

[Kalila]

What is your complaint?

[Esther]

I have this thing, this new symptom called paresthesia. I don't know if you've heard of it.

[Jenna]

Oh, this thing.

[Esther]

It feels like I have a burning, itching rash, but there's nothing there and it's just the skin stretching. Did you have that? Did you have that hate that?

[Kalila]

Those tiny little things in pregnancy that you're going to forget about as soon as the baby is out, but you hyperfocus on them because they're so annoying.

[Jenna]

I mean, it sounds horrible and uncomfortable.

[Kalila]

Yeah, like all.

[Jenna]

All of it.

[Esther]

Yeah. Okay, you guys can keep talking now.

[Kalila]

I'm sorry. That sucks.

[Jenna]

It does. It does.

[Kalila]

It makes you feel any better? Everyone lied to me about my Nipple size going back down. Cuz when I got pregnant, my nipple size just like disaster.

[Esther]

Mine went back down last time.

[Kalila]

Maybe because I'm still breastfeeding, but yeah,

[Esther]

it's not going to go back down.

[Jenna]

Oh for sure.

[Kalila]

I don't believe anyone anymore. I'm like, what happened here?

[Jenna]

No, it's cuz you're still breastfeeding mine. Pretty sure they have to see your nipple. It has to stay dark. It has to.

[Kalila]

He sees just tiny little things on the floor.

[Jenna]

He picks up just like this. It's not about him.

[Kalila]

How big do my nipples?

[Jenna]

It's like that. They're supposed to stay that way. Cuz your body doesn't know that he can see.

[Ali]

Maybe I'm breastfeeding.

[Jenna]

I'm definitely breastfeeding.

[Kalila]

This girl on Tik Tok, basically she goes out of her way to practice rejection therapy.

[Esther]

Yes.

[Kalila]

And she's like, these are all the things I did assuming that I would be rejected. Which is like, for example, she's like ask a barista to show her how to make a latte behind the bar. And she's like, I was for sure going to be rejected. But they agreed and she said yes. Approach this brand and offer my services in this way. The brand actually hired her on. So all of these tiny little things. And I, I wanted to ask you guys, what are things that you feel as though you maybe don't try on your daily to day for fear of rejection?

[Jenna]

I don't really care about being rejected because I think I get rejected all the time.

[Kalila]

You guys are in the world.

[Jenna]

It's just like every day is no, no, no, no, no. But I do care about seeming icky in the industry in this sense. Something that I never do. Not for fear of rejection, but for fear of seeming like I, I think that I deserve certain things. Is asking to audition. Oh, okay. So I'm often in a scenario where someone is making a movie, they're writing a movie, they're shooting a short film,

[Kalila]

and they're your friends, your peer.

[Jenna]

My friends, my peers. I'm not asking can I have this role? I would never do that. But just last, last year I think it was Esther who was like, I

[Esther]

was gonna say how we worked through this.

[Jenna]

Esther. I'm saying, and now I do it. Yeah. Esther was like, you can ask for an audition. They're not doing your favor by letting you audition. Like you're not asking for a job.

[Esther]

So you're being like so to me, like that's so the opposite of your fear. You're like, can I try?

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Can I make a tape for you? Is not asking for any.

[Ali]

It's doing a favor. It's doing a favor because maybe you're the person that they need.

[Jenna]

And to me, I thought it was. I'm asking this person for a favor, and I don't ever want to seem like that. So just three days ago.

[Kalila]

I'm glad you told her.

[Esther]

Yeah, we had a good talk about this.

[Jenna]

It's still hard, but I. I did the thing and I did it again about two days ago. I don't remember if I told you. So I have a friend who is shooting this incredible, awesome movie, and another friend of mine is up to direct. It didn't even enter my mind that I could audition for this movie. I also thought that it was like, I didn't know that it was live action. I thought it was like, what's it called? Animated. And so I connect the two of them, and after I get off both calls, I'm like, wait a second, maybe there's a role that I can audition for. And so I text him, the writer, and I say, hey, already feeling like, oh, this is bad. And I'm like, hey, I'm. I'm so sorry if this feels icky and if this seems like I am overstepping or this is inappropriate, preface it like that. Yes.

[Kalila]

Oh, my God.

[Ali]

I don't think you have to do that.

[Kalila]

I'm mad at you for doing that because it could have been like, yo, let me send a tape.

[Jenna]

No. And I just said, but if there's anything that I can audition for in your mind movie, I would love to. And he was like, that's not ick at all. Of course. Like, it was. The response was so positive that that is. That I'm doing that thing that she's doing where she's like, let me do these things that I think I'm going to get rejected for. And I'm like, let me do these things that people are going to think that I'm being icky. And it's like, no one ever thinks I'm being icky. Asking them if I could possibly audition.

[Kalila]

No, it's certainly not as, like, those. That's your dream.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Nothing should get in. Not your ego not being. And then even feeling icky, Even if it felt icky, you should do it anyways. You should go.

[Jenna]

Ego being like, I'm not. I'm not. I don't ask people for things. Like, I'm not getting any handouts. I'm. I don't know. Because I just think, like, I don't ever want to be seen as someone like that.

[Esther]

Yeah. I just think with someone, like, from the perspective, like, where I've had a show and I've had a movie, like, if someone reached out to me and was like, hey, I would love to audition for something, I would be so, like, flattered. And also just like, they're not asking for a favor, you know, like, they're just asking to be seen for something.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

But the flattering part is huge because you're like, oh, you actually think my project is something you want to be a part of. That's so flattering.

[Esther]

Put in the work to do it. But now if someone was like, hey, can I be in your thing? I'd be like, well, that's like, not how it works.

[Jenna]

No, that's different.

[Esther]

Yeah, I am now. I'm stressed out how, like, I don't know how to just put you in this. It's not just up to me exactly. Like. Yeah, that's like a whole other weird.

[Jenna]

No, that's also like being delusional and you don't know how the industry works.

[Esther]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kalila]

Or to assume that they automatically have a spot in something you're creating is crazy.

[Esther]

It's like, okay, I didn't write this around this random person.

[Ali]

Yeah. Like, I just realized I have a hole in my sock.

[Kalila]

Oh, it's like a cigarette burn. It's perfectly circle east up on one.

[Jenna]

Maybe you could get an IV being there.

[Ali]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I can't imagine that you fear rejection at all, Ali.

[Ali]

You know, funny you say that because the other day I saw AJ Machalka. Machalka. Machalka. Ali and AJ saying the same thing. Aj. AJ Machalka from Ali and aj. Potential breakup song.

[Esther]

I know who you're talking about.

[Ali]

I saw her at the dog store and I didn't say hi and I. And I drove off being like, I should have just stopped and said hi because I'm a excited she's going to be on the new White Lotus. And I would have loved to be like, I can't wait to watch you. And I didn't. And I was like, I should have. And it really is just mood dependent. Sometimes I think I need an audience. Like when I'm with people, I'm like, very much comfortable being like, can I do this?

[Esther]

I'm crazy.

[Ali]

And if I'm alone, I'm like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that.

[Jenna]

You just articulated something. I feel like I felt my Whole life. If there's an audience and I'm like, it's a performance.

[Kalila]

You're an exhibitionist. I've told you time and time again.

[Jenna]

But if there's not, it doesn't seem fun.

[Ali]

Well, you know what? Maybe it's like, we need to get into character and, like, kind of, like, get out of our way, like, our bodies for these things that we're, like, afraid of being perceived. If you're like the character of Jenna, then you can do it, maybe. Because if I'm the character of Ally, then I would have no problem going.

[Kalila]

I'm still the opposite. I crumble in front of an audience. Really catch me one on one. And I am a fudgeing star. If I have even someone around me that knows me, that could potentially perceive me, I'm like, I could crumble.

[Ali]

Yeah. I guess it depends on the scenario.

[Jenna]

We're all weird.

[Kalila]

I guess the fear there is that she's like, oh, thank you. Bye.

[Ali]

And then I was like, I don't want to interrupt her. Like, what if I, like, don't have that much to actually say? And I just kind of am like,

[Jenna]

hey, but even that is fine. You get in, you get out. Hey, I'm so excited to see you.

[Ali]

Okay, bye.

[Jenna]

I think so often people don't want to feel awkward, but it's like. Like, that's just. That's just a part of being alive. Everyone feels awkward.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Ali]

Well, is it tossing you guys? Like, is it awkward when people come up and say, I love your work? No, I love it.

[Kalila]

It's so sweet.

[Ali]

I don't think sometimes I make people do it again when more people are around me. Like, one time I was having dinner with my sisters. I was walking to the bathroom, and I passed this table, and they were like, oh, my God, we love your comedy. And I was like, thank you so much. Do you mind coming up to my table where my sisters are and saying that just so they know that people actually like me and that I am. And they did, and it was really fun.

[Esther]

Oh, my God, that's so cool.

[Jenna]

I love that your eyebrows are really phenomenal.

[Ali]

Juicy. Thank you.

[Jenna]

I believe they charged you anything.

[Ali]

Juicy, eyebrows. Juicy.

[Esther]

Well, I think it's that time.

[Kalila]

Yeah, Esther's calling it.

[Esther]

I think it's that time. I love you all so much. And I am ready to be. Be skinny. I'm ready to be really skinny.

[Ali]

Skinny.

[Esther]

I'm gonna be so skinny that you guys are gonna be so jealous of me.

[Ali]

How soon will I be able to meet your newborn I don't know.

[Esther]

Whenever you want.

[Ali]

Really? Are you gonna be like weird about vaccines and like, I don't remember what I do.

[Kalila]

Do you be weird about vaccines? Please be. Because it's flu season.

[Esther]

So how long till people.

[Kalila]

I would say day. I don't let anyone even breathe in my direction until like three months because there's things like menitis.

[Jenna]

I'm gonna be taking care of that baby day one.

[Kalila]

And if. But. But you can have a friends. It's like as long as they're super conscientious, which is you. You come in mass, you wash your hands, you make sure you're not sick. All good. But if someone comes in fully breathing, mouth breathing, I'm like, get the first off.

[Jenna]

No one should be mouth breathing.

[Esther]

You guys, thank you so much for being here and we'll see you next week with a brand new episode. Oh, and go see Buy Jenna's deodorant. Anything else? What?

[Jenna]

Buy eb.

[Kalila]

Go buy EB at Sephora.

[Ali]

Yay.

[Kalila]

Go find it online. If you don't have a Sephora near you, go find it online. But we're in Sephora. From Geico Subconscious News, I'm Tammy. Racing thoughts broadcasting from your brain. You think you live in a pretty safe place, but you just heard about a break in four miles away, which isn't close, but it isn't far either. You know Art Palpitations is on the scene.

[Ali]

I sure am, Tammy.

[Jenna]

And I don't even know why I

[Ali]

drove out here because as you know,

[Jenna]

you got customized renters insurance through Geico,

[Ali]

so your stuff is covered.

[Kalila]

Oh, well, that's great. Any sign of crime there, Art?

[Jenna]

Just some light littering, Tammy.

[Ali]

But like they say, a little litter

[Jenna]

can lead to a lot. Wise words.

[Kalila]

It feels good to worry less. It feels good to Geico.