Bobby Lee's New Dream

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn

Episode: Bobby Lee’s New Dream
Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Khalyla Kuhn & Esther Povitsky
Guest: Bobby Lee

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Overview

This episode dives deep into relationships, dating standards, cultural perceptions, personal growth, and creative aspirations. With Bobby Lee as the featured guest, the conversation is candid, raw, and peppered with the trio’s signature blend of comedy and vulnerability. The episode emphasizes Bobby’s reflections on past relationships (notably with co-host Khalyla), societal pressures on attractiveness, the realities of fame, and the ever-evolving nature of dreams and motivations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dating, Attraction & The "Hotness" Standard

• Bobby’s Relationship Reflections: Bobby and Khalyla openly discuss their past relationship, with Bobby expressing regret at times, sharing how loneliness and the quest for validation shape his experiences.
  • Notable quote: “If I had a time machine... that’s a small price to pay for not being lonely. It’s not better out there.” — Bobby Lee (21:21)
• Societal Pressures: They confront the trope of men with public profiles feeling pressured to date “hot” women and challenge the idea that relationships must impress other men rather than be personally fulfilling.
  • Khalyla: “It is gay because it’s for other men to high five him, not to impress women.” (09:52)
  • Bobby: “It’s so hard to get action as a heterosexual when you’re a little ethnic dude...” (04:54)
• Racism & Prejudice in Dating: Bobby recalls being publicly shamed for dating an attractive white woman, highlighting racism and stereotypes about Asian men’s dating lives.
  • Bobby: “...these group of jocks came out and they go, you paid for her, dude. I nearly broke down in tears.” (07:44)
  • Khalyla: “...the idea of an Asian man, you know, getting with a white girl... it doesn’t compute in their head.” (09:20)

[00:00–07:00, 08:24–13:15, 21:22–24:08]

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2. The “Box Theory” & Dating Dynamics

• Box Theory: Discussion about Tinks’ “Box Theory” — that men categorize women as either ‘hookup’ or ‘girlfriend’ material immediately, while women’s categories are more flexible.
  • Esther: “Men will either put you in the hookup box or the girlfriend box. Once you’re in the hookup box you can never...” (11:51)
  • Bobby: “I know immediately... this person is somebody that I would be in a committed thing with.” (12:25)
• Dealbreakers & Red Flags: Bobby shares the impact of political/social beliefs and behaviors on his willingness to date seriously or just hook up, admitting to ghosting people with incompatible values (even if “so hot”).
  • Bobby: “I dated a Trump supporter. Full-blown... I could do six months of it.” (13:02)

[11:51–16:29]

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3. Relationship Growth & Post-Breakup Change

• Bobby admits he only made self-improvements (therapy, medication, addressing habits) after his relationship ended, a common dynamic discussed by all.
  • Bobby: “...all these girls get the best version of him, and I’m here like, dude…” (19:11, Khalyla describing Bobby)
  • Bobby: “I found a psychiatrist, therapist... if I ever find another Kalila, I want to be able to be better.” (18:31)
• Khalyla discusses the ongoing devotion and support she feels for Bobby, even post-breakup, as well as the ambiguous boundaries when you remain emotionally close to an ex.
  • Khalyla: “I can call you 24/7. You’ll do things for me. I don’t think that’s healthy.” (24:08)

[18:09–25:00]

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4. Mortality, Family, and Parenthood

• Discussion about ambitions—or lack thereof—regarding parenthood, aging, and the fear of dying alone.
  • Bobby: “When I’m that age, no one’s going to be fighting [over me in the hospital].” (29:13)
• Debate on when or if men should accept not having kids, with hope for later-in-life parenthood.
  • Bobby: “I know a comic...in his 70s...raising [teenage] kids alone.” (30:34)

[28:41–32:03]

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5. Culinary Hot Takes

• Food Preferences: Passionate, comedic arguments about burgers, ice cream flavors, mochi, diner food, and the hype about "Dubai chocolate".
  • Bobby: “What is the hype about [Dubai chocolate]... it’s a scam.” (33:24)
  • Esther: “Nothing is better than... chocolate, graham, and marshmallow.” (34:17)
  • Khalyla: “Number one is always going to be mochi. Anything mochi.” (34:05)
• Diner Nostalgia: Bobby reminisces about touring, road breakfast joints, and simple comfort food.
  • Bobby: “I just...I’ll never forget [those old diners on the road].” (42:16)

[33:00–43:48]

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6. Dreams, Success, and Creative Drive

• Creative Grind: Bobby explains that “staying in the struggle” fuels his comedy and creativity, even if he’s now successful.
  • Bobby: “I purposely do that so I could feel the struggle.” (43:36)
• Changing Dreams: He feels ambivalent about traditional Hollywood success, wanting instead to do more personal or collaborative projects.
  • Bobby: “I don’t know what my dream is right now...I’m just doing whatever is in front of me.” (47:21)
  • Khalyla quoting her mom: “I never want to have a life where I don’t have dreams.” (43:54)

[43:08–47:21]

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7. Grief and Loss

• Short but heartfelt section mourning the loss of a creative legend (Catherine from "Best in Show"), discussing her legacy and why some movies provide comfort.
  • Khalyla: “...the scene of her in Best in Show...nothing picks me up better than that specific scene.” (47:37)

[47:22–48:00]

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8. Aging, Menopause, & Sexuality

• Honest dialogue about reproductive clocks, sex drive, menopause, and the differences between men and women as they age.
  • Esther: “...every woman that I know basically that has gone through menopause...you lose your estrogen, you’ll get dry down there...” (66:22)
  • Bobby: “Even if [my sex drive] went away, I’d be fine with it...every waking moment you think about it, it’s always there.” (68:02)

[65:07–68:11]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bobby Lee on Ghosting:

  “Ghost is so fun. It’s so much easier than the confrontation.” (14:09)

• Khalyla on “Hot Girl” Life:

  “Look at the kind of life she’s living right now. This is insane.” (61:17)

• On Box Theory:

  “I know immediately...this is somebody that I would be in a committed thing with.” — Bobby Lee (12:25)

• Bobby Lee’s Regret:

  “In retrospect... I would take it now... that’s a small price to pay for not being lonely.” (21:22)

• On Fame and Struggle:

  “I want to stay in the struggle. I like the grinding of it.” — Bobby Lee (43:08)

• On Hope & Dreams:

  “My mom... says... I never want to have a life where I don’t have dreams.” — Khalyla (43:54)

• On Food Preferences:

  “You’re a basic. And I’m sorry for saying that. You’re my friend.” — Bobby Lee to Esther (55:57)

• Playfully Dark Diner Fantasy:

  “I wish I was white and I could go to a diner like that in the 50s...”— Bobby Lee (38:53, also [39:42])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:00–07:00] – Wagyu dealers & opening banter
• [07:44–09:20] – Racism in dating and public shaming
• [11:51–13:15] – “Box Theory” and relationship categories
• [18:09–24:08] – Post-breakup personal growth, ongoing bonds between exes
• [28:41–32:03] – Fears of dying alone, aging, children
• [33:24–36:44] – Food fads, ice cream hot takes
• [42:16–43:48] – Nostalgia for old diners/road life
• [43:08–47:21] – Staying in the struggle, shifting dreams in comedy
• [47:22–48:00] – Remembering Catherine (“Best in Show”)
• [65:07–68:11] – Menopause, sex drive, and aging
• [68:11–68:38] – Playful banter and episode close

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Final Thoughts

This episode is quintessential "Trash Tuesday"—frank, funny, honest, and sometimes awkwardly moving. The chemistry between Esther, Khalyla, and Bobby flows naturally from heavy talk (loneliness, dreams, mortality) into absurdity (food arguments, TikTok trends, diner fantasies), all while never losing sight of why listeners tune in: for real conversations that feel less like a podcast and more like hanging with friends who aren’t afraid to say the things everyone else is thinking.

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Transcript

[Kyla]

I have a wagyu dealer in Hawaii. I do.

[Bobby Lee]

You know what? I'm leaving. I have a wagyu dealer.

[Kyla]

That's annoying. I do. And he specifically I said, what do you have?

[Bobby Lee]

Caviar dealer.

[Kyla]

Yes. And he sells caviar, too.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm sorry, we're not cool. We don't know any. You don't need any wagyu dealers.

[Kyla]

Tell me. I don't have a wagyu dealer.

[Bobby Lee]

Great. Thank you. We'll get back to you shortly and put in an order. Do you have, by chance, any caviar?

[Esther]

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[Kyla]

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[Esther]

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[Kyla]

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[Esther]

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[Kyla]

Ow. Actually really hurt. You really crunch down on the toes.

[Bobby Lee]

I will crunch forever. Okay. Don't ever put your foot in my pants again. I'll crunch it down on it so hard. I'm part wolverine and part head of honey badger.

[Kyla]

Do you know that Esther's not over you and I?

[Bobby Lee]

I'm not over you and I.

[Kyla]

Yes, you are.

[Esther]

You say that you're so, so, so.

[Bobby Lee]

Makes me so sad. Oh, my God. That's why I'm on Lexapro.

[Kyla]

It will help you sleep, though.

[Bobby Lee]

What?

[Kyla]

It will help you fall asleep. I know you're taking trazine.

[Esther]

I don't know why you're saying that.

[Bobby Lee]

It make you sleepy.

[Esther]

It doesn't make me sleep.

[Kyla]

I think pregnancy is in the way right now. That's why you're on it for five years. Pregnancy.

[Esther]

What is your view? What is your view of Kila?

[Kyla]

Oh, God. Can we not go here?

[Bobby Lee]

What are we doing here?

[Esther]

Can I just do one thing?

[Bobby Lee]

I've been watching Heating Rivalry, man. I've been jerking off to that. Is that weird?

[Kyla]

Did you get.

[Esther]

Did you call it Heating Rivalry?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, Heating Rivalry. One of my favorite.

[Kyla]

Yeah, well, you. You burned through it in one day, right?

[Esther]

Did it get you turned on?

[Bobby Lee]

I never watched Brokeback Mountain. It just didn't interest me, you know? I know it was a great movie. And in my mind I'm like, do I have some sort of homophobia? And I didn't like that. You know what I mean? I want to be a little. You know what I mean? Not be threatened or when I see men having sexual activities. And then. So when people were talking about this show, I was like, I'll give it a try. I'm into it. I think I'm going to watch Brokeback 2 eventually.

[Kyla]

I think you should. It's so good.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. I found Love is Love, you know.

[Esther]

I found Brokeback Mountain to be slow.

[Kyla]

It is very slow. But I think that's why I like it. I think that you know Ang Lee, right?

[Bobby Lee]

How did he relay? Because he has an accent. Okay. You have to kiss his lips more tender.

[Kyla]

Talking about angry.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. And j, you open. Do the tongue. Do the tongue like. Like three times. Like these. Right? Then I zoom out. Right? You buff. So eat. You bendle. Right? Then I do. Cut. Put on the jeep. Right. Then I do drone. Drone down to your butt, but right. And then pan out. You calm face. That's angley directing.

[Kyla]

Rob, can you see yourself in the Asian hot guy character? And heated rivalry?

[Bobby Lee]

No, he's too hot.

[Kyla]

Okay.

[Bobby Lee]

I think. I think people would be like, I'm out, I'm out.

[Esther]

If it was you.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

I feel like if you were gay and you were openly gay, you would get so much action.

[Bobby Lee]

Oh, my God. Of course.

[Esther]

Why of course?

[Bobby Lee]

It would be a black hole down there. It would be like the joker smile. I mean, it would be ripped. It'd be ripped.

[Esther]

Are you one of those guys where you feel like you wish you were gay?

[Bobby Lee]

I wish I was bisexual, maybe.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Because certain. There's certain male celebrities that I wouldn't mind.

[Esther]

Dave and every guy I've dated always say always at some point, tell me they wish that they were gay.

[Kyla]

See? More fun to be gay.

[Bobby Lee]

It's so hard to get action as a heterosexual when you. When you're like a little ethnic dude. It is. It's harder. It would just be easier to hook up and stuff, I think, if I was gay.

[Kyla]

Yeah. Because I think that that's what Peter Kim was saying. He was like, you don't even need any kind of hi, hello, or like whatever, pleasantries.

[Esther]

It's just like eye contact that you.

[Kyla]

Contact at a spa and then you just each other off. That's what he says.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Like his boy. Husband. Boyfriend.

[Kyla]

Husband. They're domestic.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Domestic is very handsome. And he looks like on Mars without, like a space helmet.

[Kyla]

It's not true.

[Bobby Lee]

Is that cool?

[Esther]

That's not true.

[Bobby Lee]

You know what I mean? There's no oxygen. His eyes. You know what I mean? Right before he implodes. That's what. You know what I mean? That's what Peter Kim looks like. Very funny guy. But I'm just saying that I think I'm in the same. You know what I mean?

[Esther]

I allow it because I understand. Like, when someone looks like me, I will talk about how ugly they are.

[Bobby Lee]

Hester, you're cute, but I have.

[Esther]

I'm insecure about having pale skin. I wasn't tall and blonde, but you're cute and funny, but so are you.

[Bobby Lee]

But it doesn't work.

[Esther]

Is there a vibe here?

[Kyla]

Should I leave?

[Bobby Lee]

You look like a cricket to me.

[Esther]

Knew that was coming.

[Kyla]

The super bowl is.

[Bobby Lee]

I don't know anything about it.

[Kyla]

Esther. Esther has a sports corner now. She's in.

[Bobby Lee]

Tell me. Tell me about it.

[Esther]

So last night, Dave told me that there's two relevant girlfriends and wives of the super bowl. The recipient, whatever they are for the Patriots. He has Cardi B. Pregnant.

[Kyla]

Stefan Diggs.

[Esther]

Oh, you already know this.

[Kyla]

Yes. That's her baby daddy.

[Esther]

Yeah. So that's exciting. Cardi B is a Patriots fan.

[Kyla]

What did you call it? A wide recipient.

[Esther]

And gay for May is what they're shouting. And the Boston bars. What's his name? Drake. Drake May. He's married to his high school sweetheart. She's like a normal looking woman married to a quarterback.

[Bobby Lee]

The pressures of these athletes, right? To date hotties. I don't like it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

I think people should be able to date who they want to date.

[Esther]

Oh, she's so cute.

[Bobby Lee]

She's cute.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

There's a soccer player named Declan Rice.

[Kyla]

Oh, yeah. Declan from Arsenal.

[Bobby Lee]

From Arsenal. You know, people make fun of his wife. You know what I mean? And it's like, I think she's beautiful.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

And he's also. He loves who he loves. It's like. But people rip on him, like, why isn't your wife hotter?

[Kyla]

But it's like, why isn't she a supermodel? Why is she a real person? Why? Why?

[Bobby Lee]

Because he loves her.

[Kyla]

It's such a weird thing.

[Bobby Lee]

Like, she dated me. I'm a troll.

[Kyla]

You know, we had people, and people.

[Bobby Lee]

Would say, like, how could you date this little guy? You know?

[Esther]

I mean, did you not believe that she was attracted to you in the beginning? No, because that's how me and Dave are. Dave, like, doesn't understand why I would be attracted to him.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. When I was dating Sarah, remember I told you I was. We were holding hands on a beach.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

In Hawaii.

[Bobby Lee]

Hawaii. And these group of jocks came out and they go, you paid for her, dude. And I nearly broke down in tears. It was so hard.

[Kyla]

So up.

[Esther]

That's such a.

[Kyla]

Remember when we were in Phoenix and we were outside of a restaurant, we were holding hands, walking, and this young white guy was, like, visibly enraged. Enraged by us being, like, lovey dovey.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

Like, he was, like, looking back and just being angry and then telling his friends, like, just looked like he was gonna, like, punch someone over it. And we were like, what the. This is so weird.

[Esther]

How has that affected you?

[Bobby Lee]

What are you, Larry King? What is going on here? Oh, what. How's it affected me?

[Esther]

Yeah, it's been.

[Bobby Lee]

It's always been the driving force of. Of my comedy. I think it feels a young person. I'm like, you know, people bully and, you know, and they tease and, you know, and I just was like, I have to get out of this and I have to prove people wrong.

[Kyla]

Do you still feel that way? Do you still feel like the person, you know, on your arm has to fit a criteria for, like, hot chick? And what does that even mean? Like, is that something that feels like a trophy to you?

[Bobby Lee]

Well, I mean, I'm attracted to. I'm. I'm who I'm attracted to.

[Kyla]

I mean. Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. You know, it's like, you know, they don't have to be like, a supermodel, but it's like, I just. Sometimes I'll. I'll see a girl and go, oh, my God, she's hot. And my friends will go, she's not. But it's like, I. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to.

[Esther]

I just feel like that would be such a, like, horrible hit to self esteem if someone's on the beach. And it's like, you paid for her. Like, that is. That's horrible.

[Kyla]

And it's racist. Straight up. It's like the idea of a. An Asian man, you know, getting with a white girl, a tall, gorgeous white girl is like. It doesn't compute in their head because they obviously think of an Asian man as an inferior sexually in all ways.

[Esther]

I do think it's a little gay when guys need to have, like, a supermodel.

[Kyla]

Only I think so too.

[Esther]

What do you mean you're not into just like, a real girl? Like, it has to be like, the extreme standards that your friends will like. Like, that's, like, suspicious.

[Kyla]

It is gay because they. It's for other men to high five him. It's not for him to. It's not for him only. He's doing it as a look at the prize to imp. Other men not impress women. So it's good.

[Bobby Lee]

I think when I was younger, I was like, she's got to be hot. But then it's like, now I don't. When I go on dates, I get bothered so easily.

[Kyla]

You know, I mean, bothered by. Lately.

[Bobby Lee]

I had a date with this girl and I. And she gets in the car and she goes, what's your Bluetooth on the car?

[Kyla]

Oh. Oh, my God.

[Bobby Lee]

Immediately. Yeah. The first. I don't know her. And she goes. I go, why? She goes, we're playing my music.

[Kyla]

Oh, ew. That's. That's another.

[Bobby Lee]

And I'm like. And then she played Travis Rucker. What's his name? Darius Rucker.

[Kyla]

Darius Rucker.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. He's all the whole time.

[Esther]

What is that?

[Kyla]

Country's Hootie and the Blowfish. But then he went, country.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

Oh.

[Bobby Lee]

First of all, the rule is if you're driving the driver and whoever's card is the controller of the music. Do we not agree?

[Kyla]

I agree. Unless it's like, I don't think the.

[Esther]

Rules are that fast and hard, but for day one. But I think coming in, like, coming in. She came in too hot.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

If you're dating a couple months, it's like, yeah, play your playlist. I don't care.

[Esther]

You know, I guess you're right. It's kind of nice, too, to be in the car and then see what the guy plays.

[Kyla]

Yeah, that's a little annoying.

[Bobby Lee]

It's super annoying.

[Esther]

Well, so then how did it go? Like, post that.

[Kyla]

Like, how did you get over it? Or were you like, oh, I already hate this girl.

[Esther]

I try to smash that night after dinner.

[Bobby Lee]

I tried. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't bother me enough for me not to try to smash.

[Esther]

And did you smash?

[Bobby Lee]

No, we made out.

[Esther]

Okay.

[Bobby Lee]

She had super thin lips. I don't like thin lips.

[Kyla]

But you don't like thick lips either. Because you make fun of me.

[Bobby Lee]

I don't like lips in general.

[Esther]

I think, like, no lips is it.

[Bobby Lee]

I just want an opening, you know? You like Muppets. You know, I mean, like Burt. That's what I want, you know, I mean, yeah, I try to hook up, and then we made a little bit, and then I never. And then she tried to text me, and I was like, never returned.

[Kyla]

Wait, Tinks's theory.

[Esther]

Oh, my God. Okay, so there's this influencer, Tinks. She's really pretty, and she says there's this thing called box theory. And men will either put you in the hookup box or the girlfriend box. And once you are in the hookup box, you can never. A man will never take you from that box to the girlfriend box. Is that true for you? And she says that for women, it's different. Like, women, you could. A girl will have a guy in the hookup box. She's. She wants him in the boyfriend box, but with guys, hookup box, you're there and it's over.

[Kyla]

So when you first meet someone, are you like, immediately, like, she could potentially be my girlfriend?

[Bobby Lee]

I, I. And I know immediately.

[Esther]

Really?

[Bobby Lee]

Oh, yeah. Once I meet them, I know this person is somebody that I would be in a committed thing with.

[Kyla]

Interesting.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. But as soon as I meet them.

[Kyla]

Do you know as quickly like, oh, this person is just a hookup?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Yeah. And you don't think it could change.

[Bobby Lee]

You could just. It's an instinctual thing. You have to wait. It's not the initial. It's. You wait for them to say, like, five things.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Like, you know, all I listen to is Taylor Swift. All right. Hookup box. I'm a Trump supporter. Hookup box. Like, I dated a Trump supporter. Full blown Trump supporter.

[Esther]

How was it?

[Bobby Lee]

I was six months. I was able to do it as a max, but then, like, one night, she's like, yeah, it wasn't an insurrection. They were just there to protest. I was just like, I can't do this anymore. But I went, she was so hot. I could do six months of it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

I feel like hotness really overrides it.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

But for girls, like, hotness does not override. Like. Like that if. I don't care how hot you are. If you are like, hey, it wasn't an insurrection.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

I couldn't get my wet. Not even for a second.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Sometimes I can go along with things. I can really transform. I don't know. I say, really?

[Kyla]

It wasn't.

[Esther]

I'll, I'd like to learn other people's point of views, you know, I'll hear it.

[Bobby Lee]

I tried with her.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

I go, why? And she said, well, my family is, My family is.

[Kyla]

Oh, Trump's.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, yeah. And then she said, which was crazy. She was just like, her stance or stance on immigration was what? All of them out. You know, I mean, like every single one of them. And get this, she was Mexican because.

[Kyla]

Yeah. The Latinas were Trump.

[Esther]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyla]

We talk about it all the time. So how did it end? Were you just like, hey, I can't do this anymore.

[Bobby Lee]

No ghost.

[Kyla]

Okay.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Ghost is so fun.

[Esther]

Ghost is not.

[Bobby Lee]

It's so easy. It's so much easier than like the confrontation.

[Kyla]

And what if they're like, hey, I haven't heard from you nothing.

[Esther]

Yeah. Did they, did she.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm a ghost.

[Kyla]

You send a ghost emoji.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, ghost emoji. Ooh. I, I, yeah, I ghost. And then after a while, then she, then the, she would send me photos of her flicking me off like this. Which is sad.

[Esther]

You know, Were there ever.

[Bobby Lee]

I think that's, I don't think that's right. Whatever.

[Kyla]

I don't think. But okay, what if on the first day you go into her bedroom, she's like, let's have sex. And then you see two posters, one of Kristi Gnome and one of Greg Bovino, the head of ice or the guy who, you know, Stephen Miller and Stephen Miller. Like, would you still smash?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that would, would depend on her hotness.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

If she was a 10, I could withstand a lot. I mean, she's still being the only in the hookup category, but I could probably for a year do it.

[Kyla]

A year is a long time. That's like Jenna's story of like she got snuck into the barracks, like somewhere in the deep south, and they were hooking up. And she looks up at the ceiling and she sees like a Confederate flag.

[Bobby Lee]

Wow.

[Kyla]

Yeah. But she, I think. Did she resume or not resume?

[Esther]

She resumed for a little while.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Esther]

And then got out of it.

[Bobby Lee]

You girls can't do that though.

[Esther]

Why?

[Bobby Lee]

I mean, hook up with a guy that's like, has a fucked up beliefs.

[Esther]

Why?

[Bobby Lee]

No, could you?

[Esther]

I, I think I could. I know that's really.

[Bobby Lee]

He looks like Tom Hardy. You think Tom Hardy?

[Esther]

Wait, oh, Tom Hardy. Yeah, he's like the only one.

[Bobby Lee]

So, Tom Hardy.

[Esther]

He's so hot.

[Bobby Lee]

He's the founder of the Proud Boys. No, I'm being real, but he's like, I think you're just the light of my life.

[Esther]

Yeah. That, to me, is like, almost my king.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Well, it's like Beauty and the Beast. It's like, oh, the beast thinks I'm pretty, and he's not gonna, like, rip my face off.

[Kyla]

But then I think that for me, fundamentally, like, on. I just couldn't feel safe. I don't feel like my physical body is safe around being around them. If they feel as though certain beliefs make me feel as though. Okay, he might potentially, like, hurt me. Hurt me. And that's why I could never.

[Esther]

Yes. You're thinking steps further than I am in the moment, and I. I understand why this is bad, but it's just a way that I feel that I see the hotness in the forbidden Romeo and Juliet danger.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kyla]

The forbidden love, like, are a little man.

[Esther]

Why you are.

[Kyla]

I always say this.

[Bobby Lee]

Dave's the most undangerous man on earth. He's the sweetest guy I've ever met.

[Esther]

I know, but he has his. He's a contrarian. He's very argumentative. He. And he always tells me, because I'm. When I was, like, really scared of mass shootings. He's, like, the most dangerous person to you in this world is me. Statistically, I'm. He's like. He's the most likely to kill me because he's my partner.

[Kyla]

Do you know that? You know that most cases of, like, homicide towards women are their partners, male partners.

[Bobby Lee]

So he's.

[Esther]

He's always telling me that. Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, of course. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Kyla]

You could have killed me. Yeah, you could have killed.

[Bobby Lee]

Hell, yeah, you could have killed me.

[Kyla]

No, you could have killed.

[Bobby Lee]

You almost killed me.

[Kyla]

How did I kill you?

[Bobby Lee]

Just, like, you're nagging. Just nagging, you know, like, oh, my.

[Kyla]

God, what was it? What did I nag about?

[Bobby Lee]

I think the one thing that, like, I think about is, like, walking the dogs. Like, I. I'd be out there with the dogs for, like, 30 minutes, and, like, so. And so didn't poo yet. She's like, stay out there until they do. Right? And I'm out there for, like, hours. I'm just looking up like, I hate this.

[Kyla]

And you would walk on, what, twice a year?

[Bobby Lee]

No, every day.

[Kyla]

Twice a year.

[Esther]

That's.

[Bobby Lee]

That's. No, every day.

[Kyla]

When we were living in the smaller.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, every day. Yeah, yeah.

[Esther]

What else does she nag you about?

[Bobby Lee]

I think you thought it was disgusting toward the end.

[Kyla]

You know, it's a shock is that I didn't think you were disgusting in the beginning. How did I put up?

[Esther]

How did you notice that she thought you were disgusting? Like, when. What was it?

[Bobby Lee]

Stop scratching your foot. Yeah, I can hear it. I'm trying to sleep. Stop scratching your foot. And I'd just be like, you know, I mean, scratching my foot.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

You know what pisses me off the most, though?

[Bobby Lee]

What?

[Kyla]

Is that all these things that. Complaints that I had. He only chose to fix them after the breakup. Now that, like, all these girls get the best version of him, and I'm.

[Esther]

Here like, dude, is that really true? I. I don't think people change that much.

[Kyla]

No, he's changed so much. What have you. Because medication. He's gotten his head right.

[Bobby Lee]

My head's right.

[Esther]

What's changed?

[Bobby Lee]

No more grounded. I'm. You know, I. You know, I. I found a psychiatrist, therapist. I'm really doing work, you know, to better myself. I was just, like, out of my mind, I think, when we were together at the end.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Like, addressing the pornography and all that kind of stuff I did.

[Esther]

You are addressing that?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Because, you know, in my mind, I'm like, you know, why didn't this work? And then just kind of looking back and going, these are certain. Some of the behaviors that I should have changed or addressed. And I've been addressing them now because in my mind, it's like, if I ever find another Kalila, I want to be able to be better.

[Kyla]

Yeah, you are already so much better. I mean, I would say, like, even towards me, like, outside of the romantic relationship, I feel like we're better now.

[Bobby Lee]

Like, I don't rip farts. Like, you know, I.

[Kyla]

That's not a crime.

[Bobby Lee]

No. But with girls now, like, before, I would be like, I'm gonna rip a fart in your face or whatever. You know what I mean? And now it's like, I'll lay there right when they're sleeping, and I'll clinch, and I'll clinch, right? And then I'll take my fingers, I'll spread it open and do it and do a slow leakage. Because if you do. If you get it all out at one time, you know, I mean, it takes over the room, Right? But what you do is you. And you go like a. You know, release a leakage slowly, right? So it doesn't all come at one time. Or sometimes I'll even get up now and just leave, really? And rip it in the bathroom. Yeah.

[Esther]

That's good.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

That was never a complaint of mine. Like, it wasn't as fart.

[Bobby Lee]

No. Well, I know, but.

[Kyla]

And the other two weeks ago, like, he held me hostage in the bathroom because he wanted me to watch him poo. So nothing really has changed.

[Esther]

Why did he, why did you do that?

[Bobby Lee]

We just wanted to witness again.

[Kyla]

And he was like, look at my poo. You have to look at my poo. Did you have to stay here? I did.

[Bobby Lee]

It was funny.

[Kyla]

It was funny. We were laughing really hard.

[Bobby Lee]

For laughs.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

When people hear that he's a disgust.

[Kyla]

No, no, it was pretty.

[Bobby Lee]

No, I do everything for laughs.

[Esther]

I get, I get it.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

I'm just thinking of, like the point of view of almost. Is that like a sexual thing? Is it kinky?

[Kyla]

There's, honestly, there's. He can do no wrong. I. I've seen it all. I've seen every single part of him. There's no inappropriate.

[Esther]

What are other, like, memories from the relationship where, like, why would.

[Bobby Lee]

What are we talking about? Why do you always.

[Esther]

I want to know stuff about you guys. Like, I'm just curious. It's funny to hear, like, the nagging and like the irritation stuff, like, what else was there?

[Bobby Lee]

I just want to say that the things that bothered me in the relationship, like, in my mind, I was like, I want to get out of this, I guess subconsciously. But in retrospect, it's like, I would take it now. You know what I mean? Because it's like, that's a small price to pay for not being lonely. If I had a time machine, I would probably tell myself, it's like, you know, it's not better out there.

[Esther]

Wow.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. But when you're in a long term relationship like we were in, you know, eventually you kind of think, well, I'm getting. I'm famous.

[Kyla]

I think that too.

[Bobby Lee]

Like, I can get out there and like. And it's like, it's not. And I did that. And it's like, it's not that. That's not it.

[Kyla]

But do you think that, like, towards the end of our relationship, as you were getting more and more famous, as your career was really, like, getting up there? Was that a thought in your head where you're like, I'm really curious to see, like, what else is out there?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

And that's so human.

[Kyla]

That is human. I don't even fall there for that because it's like, we've been in this for so long. It's like, how can you not be curious? Like, he was getting recognized more.

[Bobby Lee]

I hooked up with a girl that, like. So I don't know if you know this.

[Kyla]

I probably do.

[Bobby Lee]

We were seeing each other in the last couple of years. There was this girl that I was kind of, like, obsessed with, but, like, oh, she's hot. Followed her whatnot. And I would have these fantasies of.

[Kyla]

Like, while we were still together.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Hooking up with her. And then when we broke up, I did. And I remember hooking up with her, thinking, this is. You know, I mean, I hate this.

[Esther]

Why? What do you.

[Bobby Lee]

I mean, she kissed wrong. You know what I mean? It was. It was like, it didn't feel. Our bodies didn't really. You know, I mean, it didn't feel right. Also, some of her beliefs and this. I just bothered me from the gecko. And it was like, Is that the right word? Gecko?

[Kyla]

Gecko, like the lizard or get go.

[Bobby Lee]

Is it get go or gecko?

[Esther]

Get go?

[Bobby Lee]

Get go. But she bought me from the get go. And in my mind, I was like, it's not what my fantasy. It didn't live up to that fantasy.

[Esther]

Yeah, but can I be honest? Like, I feel you said, I cannot get over you saying the thing of you walking on the beach with Sarah and someone saying, you paid for that. Like, that is such a core wound that I feel plays into everything that you're talking about. If people are looking at you your whole life and, like, you don't deserve a beautiful woman, like, that's not for you. I can just see how that would build up in you. And then you are getting more famous and more successful. Like, I just see that all connected as, like, something that you're, like, a victim of.

[Bobby Lee]

Why is it so serious? It's like.

[Esther]

It's interesting.

[Kyla]

People want to know what you want to talk about. Tell me.

[Bobby Lee]

The people want to know about it.

[Kyla]

I don't know.

[Esther]

I do.

[Kyla]

She's not over it.

[Bobby Lee]

Oh.

[Esther]

I don't know what to say.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, I. You know, honestly, I think I'm. I think I'm done. I think I'm gonna die alone.

[Esther]

No, that's so dumb.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm being real.

[Kyla]

Can I make a prediction?

[Bobby Lee]

No, I'm being real. I think it's fine.

[Esther]

How do you feel when you hear him say, like, oh, my God, he's gonna die alone? No, like, when he's like, oh, if I could go back, I would say, like, it's not better out there. Like, all these things he's saying. It's like, heavy stuff. He's saying, we.

[Kyla]

We talk Right. It's not like he's. I'm hearing this for the first time. I don't just love him. I'm devoted to him still. As a friend, as an ex. Partner. I really deeply love him in that way.

[Bobby Lee]

Do you feel that's unhealthy, though, how.

[Kyla]

Much I love you?

[Bobby Lee]

No. But I just know that I can call you 24 7. You'll do things for me.

[Kyla]

I know, I know that.

[Bobby Lee]

I don't think that's healthy.

[Kyla]

Like he was in Pittsburgh the other day.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, like get me a doctor's app and she'll just do it. I need soles for my shoes. I don't know. And she'll go by get me the best kind or. You know what I mean?

[Kyla]

I know I am still very good.

[Bobby Lee]

Restaurants to go to. And she'll make a list of restaurants. Like if I'm in a city, I. I do. Yeah. But that's because she'll make reservations and everything.

[Kyla]

But, you know, I do it with like, love and.

[Esther]

Yeah. It doesn't. In my heart, it doesn't seem like she's doing it against her will. It's like these are things she's doing because you're family and that's how she treats family.

[Kyla]

I don't just treat you that way. I treat all of my family.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[Esther]

Like you guys are. You do co parent, like six animals or something, right?

[Kyla]

Seven. Okay, so don't kill one off. He's still hanging out.

[Bobby Lee]

One of them is. You gotta talk about that.

[Esther]

Remy. He's hanging on.

[Kyla]

He's comfortable right now.

[Bobby Lee]

I don't think so.

[Kyla]

Gave him kisses.

[Bobby Lee]

He's not here.

[Kyla]

He is very much here.

[Bobby Lee]

Good morning, Remy. It's really bad.

[Kyla]

Don't talk about it. It's gonna make me cry.

[Bobby Lee]

I know, but I'm just saying it's, you know, I mean, we got. We gotta. We gotta.

[Kyla]

You gotta. You hate when I cry. Don't. Don't talk about.

[Bobby Lee]

Because I'm just.

[Kyla]

Okay, okay.

[Bobby Lee]

All right. Why are you doing that?

[Esther]

It's just so funny.

[Bobby Lee]

No, it. Eyes completely white.

[Kyla]

Like moon eyes.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, yeah, completely white. Crooked spine, right? Shaking. You know what I mean?

[Kyla]

He's not shaking.

[Esther]

I think I'm laughing because she paints a different picture of Remy. She's delusional, I think, compared to what you're saying.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

You haven't been around lately.

[Bobby Lee]

Yes, I have. He's been at my house. I. I say hi to Remy all the time. And it's just like. I just say, I'M so sorry, buddy.

[Kyla]

Remy still eats. He loves cuddles. He knows. He knows who I am. He love. I still blow dry him after his shower.

[Bobby Lee]

Is he suffering?

[Kyla]

No, he's not suffering. He's on pain medication. He is very comfortable in his bed and I give him kisses every single day.

[Bobby Lee]

The worst breath I've ever felt.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

I don't know what that's got.

[Bobby Lee]

Bad breath.

[Esther]

What age does the breath turn for small dogs?

[Kyla]

Really young. Yeah, like the small dogs have bad teeth. Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

And like different kinds of bad breath too.

[Esther]

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[Bobby Lee]

So I'm watching the Pit the other day. You guys watch this?

[Kyla]

The Pit?

[Bobby Lee]

You do?

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

And there's. In the first season, there's this old man, and, you know, he's about to pass, and his kids are, like, sitting there, you know, I mean, trying to figure out. You know what I mean?

[Esther]

One doesn't want to.

[Bobby Lee]

Exactly. Do you remember that?

[Kyla]

Explain it to me. I didn't.

[Esther]

He's like. The doctors are like, he's not coming back.

[Kyla]

Okay.

[Esther]

And the daughter is like, we're keeping him on life support. And the son is like, the doctor is basically telling us there's no point. Like, we shouldn't do that. What the are we doing? And they can't. They're fighting.

[Bobby Lee]

They're fighting over it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

And in my mind, I'm like, when I'm that age, no one's gonna be fighting.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

You're gonna have a dnr, Right?

[Esther]

That's so you.

[Bobby Lee]

No, I'll be in the hospital. Right. And they're like, what do we do with this old Korean man? Right? And they're like, well, there's nobody around. You know what I mean? Let's just turn it off.

[Esther]

But this is, like, so how your mind works when you see that.

[Bobby Lee]

But he's sitting there like, my children are fighting over me.

[Esther]

No, he doesn't know.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm a grateful man. No. Like. You know what I mean? Like, he has loved ones. Right? For me, it's just gonna be like, what? Santino's. Santino's not gonna be there. You know?

[Esther]

I mean, I think you're gonna outlive him.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. He's gonna call and go, yeah, just.

[Esther]

Turn it off, Jules.

[Kyla]

It's gonna be me. Jules.

[Bobby Lee]

I don't. I don't. I don't know.

[Kyla]

You don't have faith in Jules? I think, Jules. And you also.

[Esther]

You also don't think that you. You will have kids.

[Bobby Lee]

Based on what I know now. It. I mean, that's what it is.

[Esther]

Certain men I've talked to, they've all explained who have become fathers. They have all explained to me that, like, in their early 40s, mid-40s, they're like, I. I've accepted that this may not happen, but then it still happens.

[Kyla]

I think your sperm works good still.

[Bobby Lee]

It's very strong.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

And it's dynamite. And all of them are.

[Kyla]

All of them.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Yeah. I look at them all. No, they're all even. Yeah, they all swim even. You know what I mean? And fast.

[Kyla]

In the right direction.

[Bobby Lee]

In the right direction, too. No, no. One's going backwards every time. You'll have one that's dead. You know what I mean? But here's the thing. I know a comic who's. I can't say his name, but he's in the 70s, and he had kids in his 60s.

[Kyla]

Whoa.

[Bobby Lee]

His wife was crazy, and she's, like, in some sort of institution. So he is raising two now, early teenagers. And I look at him and I go, oh, man, it must be so hard.

[Kyla]

But have you asked him, like, how much parenthood has meant to him, if it. If, you know.

[Bobby Lee]

No. You can tell. It gives him joy. Yeah, but it's hard, of course, in the seventies, do it alone. It must be hard.

[Kyla]

But the alternative is also hard. Him not having kids to bring to a comedy club is also hard. Like he has, but based love in his life.

[Bobby Lee]

We talk about this, though, based on the pit. Why would anybody want to become a nurse or a doctor? I mean, that. That. That show's insane.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

That's what you have to deal with.

[Esther]

Because people, like, get off on saving people.

[Bobby Lee]

They do.

[Esther]

Yeah. Haven't you ever met someone with, like, a hero complex?

[Bobby Lee]

Oh, wow. It just seems so stressful.

[Kyla]

It's really high stress.

[Bobby Lee]

Like a spine coming out of an eye. You know what I mean? And they're like, we gotta. You know, and people just running around. What do we do with spine eye?

[Esther]

When you watch the Pit, are you the kind of person that you can just stare and see it all, or do you have to, like, cover your eyes?

[Bobby Lee]

Some of that stuff. And I know it's prosthetics. I know it's. Yeah, but some of it. You kind of look like that one foot in the beginning.

[Esther]

There's so much stuff. Yeah, there's. And season two is rough, too. I know.

[Bobby Lee]

Dave. I haven't started Season two.

[Esther]

Dave has to. He's like, like, oh, you watch that show?

[Kyla]

I haven't yet. I'm not ready for anything that intense. I want to humor, though.

[Bobby Lee]

There's some humor.

[Esther]

I think you could.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, yeah. It's a great show.

[Kyla]

The gore and stuff doesn't bother me. It's more just like, it gets my head spinning into, like, bad territory. I'm easily. I'm very sensitive right now, like, after having a baby. But I think it'll get better.

[Bobby Lee]

You don't watch anything anymore? I recommend things to you. You don't ever watch anything.

[Kyla]

When do I have the time to really binge, you know? Like, I don't. I can't. When.

[Bobby Lee]

When the little one goes to bed, is asleep. Why can't you go?

[Kyla]

Because I nurse and watch and he sleeps right next.

[Bobby Lee]

Because you have him the titty. And then I do.

[Kyla]

I do. I try with the iPad, but it's like at some point, you know, do.

[Esther]

You watch things by yourself or do you need someone else?

[Bobby Lee]

No, I watch it by myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like watching, you know, by myself in my lonesome state.

[Esther]

On a TV or like, on an iPad.

[Bobby Lee]

IPad. Alone in the dark.

[Esther]

I like that.

[Kyla]

He never watches TV. It's always iPad.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

You're an iPad kid.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm iPad kid. I like it. I like just, you know, huddling up my blankies.

[Esther]

Do you have a snack?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, I have a snack jar now.

[Esther]

What's in it?

[Bobby Lee]

I have Korean candies, like choco. Choco pies.

[Kyla]

Love a chocolate.

[Bobby Lee]

I love chocolate. Different flavors. Chocolate matcha. You know what? I'm not into, and I don't know what the fucking hype is about Dubai. Chocolate. Everything's Dubai.

[Kyla]

I'm with you.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

It's a scam.

[Kyla]

It's a scam.

[Bobby Lee]

Cones.

[Kyla]

You know, I'm over it.

[Bobby Lee]

Over it. Who cares about Dubai?

[Esther]

I know. It's just pistachio, right?

[Kyla]

I was never even that hot. Pistachio. Die hard. I am so with you on this. I am.

[Bobby Lee]

What is the hype about?

[Esther]

It's good.

[Kyla]

It's good, but it's like, I don't dream about it.

[Bobby Lee]

I don't dream about it.

[Esther]

It should not be as big as it is. The way that it's taking off is, like, freaking me out. Like, it doesn't make sense.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

There's so many nutty things. Have a phase. We had an all oven phase probably one time in, like, chocolate bars, peanut brittle. That was a. Probably a phase.

[Esther]

That was a phase.

[Kyla]

I do still like peanut Brittle.

[Esther]

But you wouldn't, like, reach for it if there's a bunch of options.

[Kyla]

No, Number one is always going to be mochi. Anything. Mochi is my weakness. Mochi, butter, mochi, anything Mochi. Just rice. Rice, Rice, rice. You're not. You're weird. You're a little bit on mochi.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

I think nothing is better than, like, if something is based on, like, the s' mores flavor profile. So chocolate, graham, and marshmallow will always.

[Bobby Lee]

Get rocky road on ice cream then?

[Esther]

No, because I don't like chocolate ice cream as a base. I need vanilla.

[Bobby Lee]

Wait, S' mores is half quarter chocolate.

[Esther]

But I, I. There's something about chocolate versus chocolate ice cream where chocolate ice cream, like, I've never had it be right.

[Kyla]

That's so funny that this is the only thing we'll probably really agree on. I hate chocolate ice cream. Chocolate. It's different. It doesn't taste the same. They're not.

[Bobby Lee]

You guys are out of your mind.

[Esther]

What's your favorite ice cream flavor then?

[Bobby Lee]

Well, because. Let's talk about chocolate for a second.

[Kyla]

This is like, like, he likes mint.

[Esther]

That's like Dave, like chocolate mint. Do you have, like, a favorite one? Because Dave can rank them for you.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm gonna say something right now. Probably controversial. Baskin Robbins.

[Esther]

That's what Dave says is number one. That's what Dave says.

[Bobby Lee]

Chocolate ice cream.

[Esther]

Number one second would be Jenny's mint chip.

[Bobby Lee]

Here's the thing. I don't even have a second. Do you know why I refuse to try other ones? Dave's a portrayer of Baskin, all right? Why would he even try another one?

[Esther]

Do you like peppermint stick?

[Bobby Lee]

No. No, no. I'll tell you why. When you go to these fancy places, they make the chocolate too thick. Big, like big chunks of chocolate. Whereas in Baskin Robbins, they're like little dots. They look like little dots in a sea of green. You know, like little Venezuelan boats.

[Esther]

Would you ever get. Would you ever get multiple.

[Bobby Lee]

That's a terrible reference.

[Esther]

Multiple scoops with a different flavor?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, I do that.

[Kyla]

They have to match, though.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm telling you.

[Kyla]

You can't just go blind and get three completely opposite.

[Esther]

Well, yeah, I'm not gonna get paper with a chip.

[Bobby Lee]

It's banana split Baskin Robbins. I do it all the time. Okay.

[Esther]

All the time.

[Bobby Lee]

All the time. I'll take one bite of each and they'll rest away. Okay? So here's what it is. Mint chocolate. Okay? Then I'll do rocky road. You know what? I love butter Pecan.

[Kyla]

I love butter pecan.

[Esther]

Wow. You're a classic man.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm a classic man, dude. And then I'll do a caramel sauce, a chocolate sauce, and a strawberry sauce. And you know what I tell Baskin Robbins, the guy behind the counter, or woman, whoever's working there, right? I go, I don't care where the sauce goes. You could put the caramel over the mint. You could put the strawberry over the rocky roll. Yeah, yeah, whatever you. Your preference. Whatever or whatever you feel, sir, you can do it and I'll accept it.

[Esther]

The art.

[Bobby Lee]

There needs to be two fresh bananas with it sliced. Well, no, it's one banana. Slice, slice. And number two, you gotta put the nuts on there, baby. I'm a 1950s.

[Kyla]

You're a diner guy.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm a diner guy.

[Esther]

Yeah. Classic. What is your diner order? If we. If you and I go to swingers or do pars. What do you. What's your order?

[Bobby Lee]

It's always breakfast. I don't care what it is. Yeah, Eggs over hard. Hard.

[Kyla]

I agree.

[Bobby Lee]

I agree, too.

[Esther]

Yeah, Hard.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, real hard.

[Esther]

Oh, I. I just. I've never.

[Bobby Lee]

Okay, you know what it is even.

[Esther]

Yeah, I know what it is.

[Bobby Lee]

What is it?

[Esther]

It's hard eggs.

[Kyla]

How can you not know what over hard means? What other options are there?

[Esther]

But it would be funny if I did. I didn't know.

[Kyla]

What's your but favorite patty melt in la?

[Bobby Lee]

I don't. Never had one.

[Esther]

Yeah. What?

[Bobby Lee]

I. I don't like anything about patty melt because, you know, it reminds me of what, that Hawaiian thing that you guys.

[Kyla]

What, the Locomoco?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, I got.

[Kyla]

How is the patty melt equal to locomo?

[Bobby Lee]

I don't like ground beef.

[Esther]

Oh, really?

[Bobby Lee]

I only like. I'm raising my voice. I'm so sorry. I only like ground beef. Right. In a hamburger situation when it's outside. A hamburger situation. No, thank you.

[Esther]

What about in tacos?

[Kyla]

Wait, but you know, that's good.

[Bobby Lee]

You got me, guys. That was a good one. Yeah, you're right in the hard shell, old school. Like a Taco Bell situation. Okay.

[Esther]

Sour cream, chopped up Taco Bell, baby.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm a Taco Bell baby.

[Kyla]

Baby.

[Bobby Lee]

It's good stuff.

[Kyla]

May I just suggest that you try the patty melt at Cassell's in K town?

[Bobby Lee]

I love Cassells.

[Kyla]

I know, but you got to try the patty melt specifically.

[Esther]

What is Cassell's?

[Bobby Lee]

It's right by.

[Kyla]

It's right by my elevated diner.

[Bobby Lee]

It's right by my Korean spa.

[Esther]

Is it like a Korean establishment?

[Kyla]

I don't believe it. I don't think so.

[Bobby Lee]

No, it's.

[Kyla]

I think so.

[Bobby Lee]

It seems like an old timey. You know that famous photo of that man sitting in that diner? It's a kind of circular diner. It's from an outside shot looking in.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Do you understand what I'm saying something? You put dogs in it for some reason.

[Esther]

Nighthawk Copper.

[Bobby Lee]

It has that feel.

[Esther]

Yes.

[Kyla]

Actually does look like really like so. Even their hash brown. Everything is just one or two steps up. It's elevated really. But it still has the vibe of a diner.

[Bobby Lee]

I wish I was white and I could go to a diner like that in the 50s. How was your day, Jimmy?

[Esther]

Me too.

[Bobby Lee]

You know what I mean? How was the factory? You're like, oh, pretty good, Bill. You know what I mean? I'm going home to the wife. And you go home right? When you're sued, you put your greet briefcase down. Honey, I'm home. Right. How was your day? Right. And I beat the shit out of her. No, no, no. Are the kids in bed? Yeah, Sally and Toby is in bed. I'm gonna say goodnight and I go in, I kiss them in the forehead. How was your day, Toby? Pretty good, dad. Right. And you go in there, you read a book in bed with your wife next to her. And she's like doing this. I don't know what, I don't know what they do.

[Kyla]

But she has her hair in rollers in the end. Rollers.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

And a full face of makeup.

[Bobby Lee]

Give me a vowel. Valium. And go. And they do the day over again. That's my dream.

[Esther]

I want to be in the 50s.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But being Asian, you Korean, you can't even.

[Kyla]

You can't would internment camp.

[Bobby Lee]

They do this guer gook, you know what I mean?

[Kyla]

Get back in the barracks.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Hey Jap. They would say stuff like that. Hey Jap, we won that war, buddy. And you're like, oh, right. And then like the colored fountain because we'd have to drink out of the color fountain. You know what I mean? So it would be a different human experience.

[Esther]

Oh, I see.

[Bobby Lee]

You don't think so. I. I think there's no other era. I think that I would live in America being a Korean man. 1975 would be my cut. Anything below that may know in the 60s I could do it. Hate Ashbury. I think I got. I could have done some stuff they do. What's going on? I think so, you know, I mean having an Asian accent to kind of be hippie. Look at all the corner.

[Kyla]

I feel like the 70s would have really, like, accepted you.

[Bobby Lee]

Accepted. But before 65, it would be a terrible time for you and I. Yeah, yeah. You would date like a Mitch McConnell.

[Kyla]

Find a way.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

You would scramble. I feel like you would, too.

[Bobby Lee]

No, there's no way. Being a small, little Korean man back before 65.

[Kyla]

But I feel like you would have been okay being the token.

[Bobby Lee]

I would have danced for them. Like.

[Kyla]

You would have danced like a monkey? Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Monkey. Yeah. Like. Like this and do a dance? Yeah, it'll be bad.

[Esther]

Go back to your plate. What's on the plate with the hard eggs? Bacon.

[Bobby Lee]

So hash browns. Overcooked, too.

[Esther]

Well done hash browns.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Well done hash browns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also do one pancake.

[Kyla]

Only one.

[Bobby Lee]

Only one pancake.

[Esther]

Well, with that kind of meal, you don't need more than one.

[Bobby Lee]

Exactly. Thank you so much, Esther. Bacon, sausage, Maybe a side of bacon as well.

[Esther]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

But it has to. Done. What? You know, when I go, you know, I'm gonna say something. Okay. What I miss about the old road.

[Esther]

Because you're rich now and you go to nice places, and before it was Denny's.

[Bobby Lee]

No, no, no. Before, when I wish you the road.

[Esther]

When I was friends with you, we'd go to Denny's.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Like, I would fly in a day early to a city. Then in the morning, I would have to do press because the tickets weren't sold. And I would just do, like, five or six places. And then I would ask whoever was driving me, tell me, take me to the best hometown breakfast spot. Like, I'm not looking for something fancy. I want something like an old school, legendary diner. Right. And then some of my experiences were just. I just. I just. I'll never forget.

[Esther]

That's so special.

[Bobby Lee]

Like, you're in the woods, deep in, like, the Midwest somewhere, and then just trees in this old little house. That's a. That's like a breakfast joint.

[Kyla]

Do you now fantasize about, like, your early, earlier years?

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

You romanticize it in comedy. And do you miss that feeling?

[Esther]

I think he still has that feeling, and that's the problem. I think that he still feels like he is that person who's not selling.

[Bobby Lee]

I think I put myself emotionally in that spot.

[Kyla]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

It's like I was hanging out with Theo in Vegas last weekend and seeing how big he's gotten, because I haven't really hung out with him in public in a while. It was literally every other person knew who he was, you know? And in my mind, I'm like, I. I want to stay in the struggle. I like the grinding of it. I like.

[Esther]

But you're not in the struggle.

[Bobby Lee]

I am in the struggle.

[Esther]

You want to be. You want.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm hurting.

[Esther]

You want to be in the grind. See, he.

[Bobby Lee]

But I put myself in that situation. I know. Probably not.

[Kyla]

I do, like, love that he does keep himself there.

[Esther]

Yeah. It's a good. It's a good mindset to have as a creative person. For sure.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

But I do. I love it. I agree. But I do feel like he takes it a little step too far where it's like everything becomes about how he's a failure.

[Bobby Lee]

But I purposely do that so I could feel the struggle.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Because what is it, like, going, I'm great.

[Kyla]

You know what I mean?

[Bobby Lee]

I have everything.

[Kyla]

Probably pretty depressing.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. I don't want that.

[Esther]

I agree. I think that's good.

[Bobby Lee]

Can I say there could be more.

[Esther]

Yeah. For everybody.

[Bobby Lee]

I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen.

[Kyla]

You know, my mom says something. She doesn't say a lot of profound things, but one thing that she always says that really, like, sinks into my brain is she's like, I never want to have a life where I don't have dreams. Like, she never wants to be so rich and so successful and so content that, like, she stops dreaming because she's like, dreams are so lovely.

[Esther]

You need it. You need hope. You need. Need something to look forward to. Even if all your needs are met or all your dreams have come true, you need new dreams. You do.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Like, the most depressed I've ever been is when I'm like, I did things that I meant to do, and now what? Like, you're special. I understand dreams. Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

That's what it is. New.

[Kyla]

What do you think your new dreams are?

[Bobby Lee]

I think maybe that's a part of my depression. I don't know what it is really right now. You know what I want, because it's like, my agents will go, well, buddy, movies and televisions. TV is coming your way, you know? And it's like, I don't want that. You know, I think I came into this town wanting that, and I did some of it, you know? And I'm like, I don't want. Like, I. Because I've been doing this last year. I've been still doing smaller movies and, like, guest starring on TV shows. The last one I did, I was sitting in my trailer, and it was, like, hours I was sitting there. They don't pay you much, and no one's gonna see it. And it's like, what am I doing this for? You know, it doesn't feel as creative. You know, I think when you're shooting in a scene and you're really getting in the. It's fun, but it's like, I. I don't know if that's a part of my dream anymore.

[Esther]

Yeah. It is hard to, like, shift when I. Because I really to that too. Like when we all, like, packed up our bags and moved to Hollywood, like, we did have this certain idea. And it is hard to let go of that idea, even though so much has changed. But also there might be something really good and healthy about doing those jobs for you where it's like, yeah, I am bored and I'm not the king of the castle here. Like, I am, you know, my. On my tour. Like, maybe it's good for you.

[Bobby Lee]

I think I'm willing to do what Bert and Tom are doing, which is just doing their own thing.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

And it's like, I'll do that.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Me and Andrew have a couple of things in the works and stuff like that, but I just. I don't know if I'm necessarily wanting to. Like. Like, I haven't auditioned in like four months. The last one I did, I was just like, I sent it in. I'm like. And then the note was, no.

[Kyla]

I.

[Bobby Lee]

Mean, it's not happening. You know, I mean. And in my mind, I was like, I poured everything into this thing. And it's like. Like, not that I care that I got rejected, but it's like, why? Why am I doing this? Because even if I got it, you know what I mean? Then I was like, then I gotta go. I gotta go to Canada or whatever for a month.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. I'm gonna do two episodes of Tires coming up. That I'll do. Because it's like your friends feel it called. And then also, they're my friends.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

And it. It wasn't. I didn't have to beg for it. There's another project I just did that was. Was pretty high elevated. It was like a couple of lines. It was a pretty big deal. And I did that because the star of the show. I signed an NDA, so I can't talk about it, but he is huge and he's a legend. I have to do it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

So those are. I'll do those. But again, they call. They go, do you want to do it? You know, but I don't know if I want to. So I don't know what my dream is right now. You know, here's what I'm doing. I'm waking up. I'm doing whatever is in front of me.

[Kyla]

Hell yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

You know, we. We lost a legend today, Catherine.

[Kyla]

Oh, my God. This one really hit me hard.

[Bobby Lee]

Hit me hard too.

[Esther]

I'm shocked.

[Kyla]

I'm. She was so devastated.

[Esther]

She was so good on the studio last year.

[Kyla]

She just did the studio.

[Bobby Lee]

She's good in every single thing she's ever done.

[Kyla]

Of course, the one thing that like consistently makes me laugh when I'm having a bad day is the scene of her in Best in show of her. That final scene of her walking the dog with the ankles.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, yeah. And she's doing that little. Yeah, yeah.

[Kyla]

The ankle thing. Thing. If I'm having the bad day, nothing picks me up than better than that specific scene. And how many times have we watched that movie?

[Bobby Lee]

I still watch it.

[Kyla]

I know.

[Bobby Lee]

It's a comfort movie.

[Esther]

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[Esther]

Thank you.

[Kyla]

You know, I love bananas.

[Bobby Lee]

Peninsula are the best.

[Kyla]

And how many, you know, you live with me for a decade. There's always, what, two things, coconut water and banana in the house.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

And I do that because it's good for the heart and it's good for your mind and your body and its fuel.

[Bobby Lee]

Do you see that? Christian explaining the banana is why their God exists.

[Esther]

No, no.

[Bobby Lee]

Look how genius God is the banana. You can easily hold it in your hand. It's peelable, right?

[Kyla]

Wait, this is propaganda. That would have worked on me.

[Esther]

And like, it's not. Yeah, it doesn't sound that bad.

[Kyla]

Yeah, that makes sense. When you look at nature and symmetry.

[Bobby Lee]

God's design. It's perfect. Which is for the bananas, but they explain the pomegranate. You know what I mean? It's like, only, see, you know, we gotta pry it open.

[Esther]

I can explain the pomegranate because it's like.

[Bobby Lee]

Okay, explain it.

[Kyla]

Okay.

[Esther]

Taking time to break, to cut it open, carefully remove all the seeds. Annoyingly, that's like a meditative process that's good for the human brain.

[Bobby Lee]

So you think God designed it like that?

[Kyla]

I. I think that God designed it not for humans. I think God designed it for proliferation of. Of, like, other trees. Because with that many seeds and birds getting into them and then dispersing it.

[Bobby Lee]

Okay, let's talk about every fruit then.

[Kyla]

Because every fruit. Every fruit is not eaten.

[Bobby Lee]

The coconut.

[Kyla]

Okay.

[Esther]

Is that a fruit?

[Kyla]

It's a tree nut.

[Bobby Lee]

It's a tree nut.

[Kyla]

Yeah. I'm pretty sure coconut is a nut.

[Esther]

I don't think it's a fruit.

[Kyla]

It's not a fruit. It's a tree nut.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm still going fruit. But I think you might right be right. It's a nut. Oh, controversial answer. What is it?

[Esther]

A droop.

[Bobby Lee]

A droop type of fruit.

[Esther]

Imagine someone called you a droop.

[Bobby Lee]

It's a droop. That's an actual thing.

[Esther]

I've never heard of that. It's a type of fruit, not a true nut, but it was legally classified as a tree nut by the fda.

[Bobby Lee]

Whoa.

[Esther]

So I have the white man's view. Okay, It's a nut.

[Kyla]

Okay, let's call it a fruit.

[Esther]

What about strawberries versus blueberries?

[Bobby Lee]

Blueberry. Blueberry guy. Better for you.

[Esther]

I think it is better for you.

[Kyla]

Yeah, I think so.

[Esther]

But a good strawberry.

[Bobby Lee]

But when they're bad.

[Esther]

I know that's the thing with fruit. It's so inconsistent.

[Kyla]

But strawberry ice cream is one of my top five.

[Esther]

I would never do a fruit ice cream. That is a crazy choice when you could be doing vanillas and chocolate.

[Bobby Lee]

Fruit for me right now is outrageous and out of control.

[Esther]

Why?

[Bobby Lee]

You don't like fruit ice creams?

[Esther]

No, but why would I do my fruit when I could just do my fruit as, like, a snack and then do my dessert as, like, cookie dough ice cream Doesn't.

[Kyla]

Not as. Not for me. I would.

[Bobby Lee]

I would eat a cookie.

[Kyla]

Good point.

[Bobby Lee]

Eat a fucking cookie then. Or eat just cookie dough. Why does it have to be an ice cream format?

[Esther]

Well, that's just.

[Bobby Lee]

To me, it changes the. The element.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

One element changes whatever it initially was.

[Esther]

And to me, it's just, we're wasting a healthy treat. We're wasting our indulgent moment on something that, like, is just, like a healthy thing.

[Bobby Lee]

Strawberry ice cream isn't healthy.

[Kyla]

Yeah, we've accepted that.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, it's got cream, sugar. You know what I mean?

[Esther]

It's.

[Bobby Lee]

But, like, I don't even know if there's real strawberries in strawberry ice cream.

[Esther]

Like, the flavor there doesn't need to be the flavor profile of strawberries. I can have that at breakfast with my yogurt, and it's like, oh, that was like a healthy meal. I'm not going to have a chocolate chip cookie for breakfast and be like, oh, that was like a healthy meal. No, I'm going to indulge. When I'm indulging, I'm going to go all the way. I'm going to get the brownie Oreo earthquake sundae from Dairy Queen. I'm not going to get like, like a fruit sundae.

[Bobby Lee]

What about like a strawberry shortcake with little breadcrumbs in it?

[Kyla]

Oh, nice.

[Bobby Lee]

You're deceiving your own mind. All right? And you're arguing a, that you can't be argued.

[Esther]

That's not true. How do you not at least see what I'm saying?

[Bobby Lee]

A little proof is in the pudding. Right? You go to Baskin Robbins, like, a lot. There's a lot of fruits in the game.

[Esther]

Yeah. And I'm just saying I think that's a waste.

[Bobby Lee]

You got mango, strawberries.

[Kyla]

Yeah, but like white people ice cream. Mango ice cream is really bad. You got to go like magnolia.

[Esther]

You know what? The proof is in the pudding, because when you go to Baskin Robbins, what are the three flavors? You get mint chip butter, pecan, rocky road. I don't see a fruit inside. I see chocolates. I see pecans.

[Bobby Lee]

I see, look at me right now. Banana split in your face.

[Esther]

You're adding that.

[Kyla]

It's in the name.

[Bobby Lee]

Guy. There's gotta be fruit in there.

[Esther]

Guy, there's gotta be fruit in there.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. And I also said strawberry. Pouring the, the sauce.

[Esther]

That sounds honestly, like way too much going on. I didn't want to say it earlier.

[Bobby Lee]

Because you don't have the kind of senses I have. Right. There's a lot going on in my tongue senses. Right. I can, I can process 50 different flavors at one time.

[Esther]

You're too desensitized.

[Bobby Lee]

What do you mean?

[Esther]

Your tongue.

[Bobby Lee]

You're a purist.

[Esther]

Your tongue needs like 80 different, like, flavor profiles to feel something.

[Kyla]

Because he smokes.

[Bobby Lee]

Because I smoke cigarettes.

[Esther]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to keep my tongue, like, it just needs like, a couple things at a time. Yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

You're a simple person. Flags, like, do you ever go to Wanderlust?

[Kyla]

I love wonderlust.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

Oh, my God. That's a fun, that's a fun choice.

[Bobby Lee]

You would hate it. You would hate Wonder.

[Esther]

I don't love Wanderlust. I, it's never going to be my first choice, but my first choice is a place where you can get a vanilla soft serve cone dipped in chocolate. Go to McDonald's, Dairy Queen. Of course.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

What do you think of that?

[Bobby Lee]

You belong in the 50s. Yeah. I think you're a basic. And, and I, I, I'm sorry for saying that. You're my friend.

[Esther]

I'm not offended. I my beliefs.

[Kyla]

I think that wonderlust has just a lot of, like, Asian flavors is why we like it because it has all of the hits. It has, like, the Korean stuff. It has the Vietnamese.

[Bobby Lee]

This is what's okay. What, what, what, what's your problem?

[Esther]

My problem? No, no, no, it's fine. I, I just. The argument. It's like sweet things are sweet and delicious and they can be so simple. And it can be just as good as all these crazy things that you guys are doing.

[Kyla]

Yeah, but the vanilla thing doesn't thrill me.

[Esther]

Nothing.

[Kyla]

Like, there's not a, like a molecule in my body that goes, woo. You know what I mean? There's like, it's so plain. I, I understand it. It's, it's delicious and I can have it, but it's not like, wow, I'll. You know, I'm thinking about this. I, I think I need a little bit more.

[Esther]

Okay, I have another question.

[Bobby Lee]

Is it ice cream oriented?

[Esther]

No, but it is food oriented. It's about burgers. Do you feel like a burger is like pretty much good everywhere? Right?

[Bobby Lee]

No, absolutely not. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[Esther]

How can you get a cheeseburger and it not just be like.

[Bobby Lee]

There's so many factors that you're not. The bun has to be not stale, soft. But here's another thing. Can hold the pressure of the actual patty and the stuff that's in the middle.

[Esther]

I would argue that if it's capable of holding the pressure, then it's too much bread.

[Bobby Lee]

All right, so you want it to fall apart.

[Esther]

Well, I'd rather that than be like eating just bread and barely tasting the meat.

[Bobby Lee]

You're just being argumentative.

[Esther]

I think I'm just.

[Bobby Lee]

Here's what I like. Are you asking me? Me? Okay, okay, you asked me.

[Esther]

Okay.

[Bobby Lee]

Okay. The bun, right. Lightly buttered. It has to be, you know what I mean? Buttered on both sides.

[Esther]

You're so obsessed with bread being buttered.

[Bobby Lee]

I like thin patties.

[Esther]

Smashed or just thin?

[Bobby Lee]

Smashed. I'm fine with it. A cheese, right? Thinly sliced, regular onions, not a lot of lettuce. Like the thinnest of tomato slices. Right. And then sometimes I'll do a little round of Tabasco. A little bit inside.

[Esther]

Inside the pickles.

[Bobby Lee]

Pickles too. Yeah. Yeah. But not every place does that. McDonald's doesn't have that.

[Esther]

No, but you're telling me a McDonald's cheeseburger isn't delicious?

[Kyla]

Yeah. That's wild.

[Bobby Lee]

God, I, I wanted to punch you in the face so bad just now. That was. Oh my God. You invoked something in me. I would never hurt you. I would never hurt you. I would never hurt you. Okay. I would never physical assault you. You like that was. Wow, smug. It was smug. Gross. Okay. It was just like.

[Esther]

You've never had a Big Mac a Whopper.

[Bobby Lee]

No, no, stop, stop.

[Esther]

This is amazing.

[Bobby Lee]

You work with her. It's just my opinion. It's. I. I think that, like, would I rather have high Ho Burger versus a McDonald's? Wouldn't you?

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Yeah. Yes.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

I'm not impressed when a restaurant is, like, amazing at a burger. I'm more impressed when a restaurant, like, shows up with, like, oh, my God, these carrots and these Brussels sprouts are so delicious. Like, that, to me, is. Is hard to do. Like. Okay, do you guys like Hillstone?

[Kyla]

Yeah, of course.

[Esther]

Do you? Houston's.

[Bobby Lee]

Houston's to me is like a Morton's.

[Kyla]

Morton's is so. Boo.

[Bobby Lee]

Oh, my God.

[Kyla]

Oh, my God. Anytime someone tells me to go to Martin's for their steak, I'm like, what is happening? Do we not live in LA with choices?

[Bobby Lee]

Okay, that's insane.

[Esther]

What you said. What's your favorite steak place?

[Bobby Lee]

I'm a big boa guy. Because they have the snow. The snow. Snow beef.

[Esther]

What's that?

[Kyla]

Certain type of cow?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, it's a certain type of cow.

[Kyla]

From Hokkaido.

[Bobby Lee]

Yes, from Hiko. Right. And I'm telling you right now, that meat is like butter. It melts right in your mouth.

[Kyla]

But here's the thing. My argument is like, is it really. It's hard to up Wagyu. I've bought wagyu for the house, and it's tasted exactly like.

[Esther]

It's not like.

[Bobby Lee]

It's not like this.

[Kyla]

Yeah. Because I have a Wagyu dealer in. In Hawaii. I do.

[Bobby Lee]

You know what? I'm leaving. I have a Wagyu dealer.

[Kyla]

That's annoying. I do.

[Bobby Lee]

Oh, my God. That's. I do.

[Kyla]

I know this is. It is pretentious, but I do have a guy who sells it from his car. And he specifically, I said, what do you have?

[Bobby Lee]

Caviar dealer.

[Kyla]

Yes. And he sells cavalry have yard too. And he was. And he texts me and he says, hey, here's what I have.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm sorry, we're not cool. We don't know any. Do you know any Wagyu dealers?

[Kyla]

But it's to your name, to your argument.

[Bobby Lee]

What's his name?

[Kyla]

Actually, I don't know exactly.

[Bobby Lee]

You lied.

[Kyla]

It's a Korean guy.

[Bobby Lee]

What a lying bastard.

[Kyla]

Oh, my God. I'll tell you right now. It's called meatluxhawaii.com. he has the best Wagyu. And he drives to you and. And delivers it, and he tells you exactly what's imported, what's coming in, what's not.

[Esther]

Tell me.

[Kyla]

I Don't have a Wagyu dealer. Dealer.

[Bobby Lee]

Okay. What?

[Kyla]

That's the text between me and my Wagyu dealer. And I picked it up from the back of his car. His name's Emerson.

[Bobby Lee]

Great. Thank you. We'll get back to you shortly and put in an order. Do you have by chance any caviar?

[Esther]

Exactly.

[Bobby Lee]

That's what it says here.

[Kyla]

Okay, read it.

[Bobby Lee]

So, yeah, when did you need it by? I can only bring it in smaller portions. Like one ounce at the moment, not large tins. I can see if I can add it to my next import it on the 20th. It's Japanese white sturgeon caviar from me, Miyazaki.

[Esther]

How much does that run you?

[Kyla]

Not. It's. It's too much.

[Bobby Lee]

How does that sound? Look at the kind of life she's living right now. This is insane.

[Kyla]

I know.

[Bobby Lee]

Tomorrow, unfortunately. But I'll order for the 20th as well. Oh, so she's ordering two.

[Esther]

How much is that?

[Kyla]

W. It's a lot. It's a lot. But it was for a big Christmas.

[Esther]

Give me a price.

[Kyla]

It's in the hundreds if we're a small little tin.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm tired of hot girls, man.

[Kyla]

Man, Are you going to start dating?

[Bobby Lee]

What?

[Kyla]

Non hot girls. You're obsessed with hot girls.

[Bobby Lee]

You're on Tik Tok. I don't know who needs to hear this? No one. No one needs to hear this because you. I don't care what you think.

[Kyla]

You stick around and you hear what they have to say.

[Bobby Lee]

No, I don't. Here's another thing on Tik Tok where I just super swipe once I see it. The slow art reveal, right?

[Kyla]

Oh, yes. I have seen it slowly.

[Bobby Lee]

And I go off right then. You know what I mean? You have to wait 30 seconds for you to turn it around.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

So the way it's never good. Never have they turned around. Oh, that's a masterpiece. No, I could do that.

[Kyla]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

No, do it quickly.

[Esther]

What do you like when you see on Tick Tock, what do you stick around for?

[Bobby Lee]

My algorithm is weird. Yeah, mine's. There's this teacher's award. I don't know how why it's in my algorithm, but it's like this year's 2024 Milking Award goes to Frank Halstatter from Springfield High School. And they're in the audience, they're like me, right? And then, you know, they get 25, 000, check. And all the kids clap, right? And he's just super proud. And in my mind I'm thinking like.

[Kyla]

Teacher, I think. I think his algorithm would shock you. And I'm not shocked. Not that they're weird. It's actually wholesome and moving.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

He likes watching things that make him cry.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. I love Milk and award.

[Kyla]

He likes, like, reunions of love lost sisters or long lost family members. He likes when, oh, military coming home to their children.

[Bobby Lee]

It's called Hope Core.

[Kyla]

Hope Core. Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

I love Hope Core videos. But then I also have ones that you don't even know about, which is like people's dying moment. Last dying moment.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

Some of the. That you send me pisses me the off.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Esther]

What is that?

[Bobby Lee]

Like, there's some videos. I don't know if they're real or not, but it's like, you know, a doctor telling a doctor telling parents that their daughter was in a car accident.

[Esther]

We can't. What the.

[Bobby Lee]

No. And their reaction. And I'll react with them. I'll go, you know, I mean. And I'll kind of cry with them.

[Kyla]

You know, he has also this tragedy porn addiction.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. It's tragedy porn.

[Kyla]

So like, if it. There's like a Korean fairy with X amount of people that died.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

He will go down a rabbit hole and like, feed me me more and more. Like horrible tidbits that I didn't want to hear over a span of a week. Nothing fun.

[Esther]

I do want to go back to food for a second.

[Bobby Lee]

Okay, good. Let's go back to something normal.

[Esther]

You can tell I'm very pregnant and hungry. This episode, this is it. Eight months.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. After you're done with this one, you're gonna have more.

[Esther]

I really want three to four children.

[Bobby Lee]

Why?

[Esther]

But Dave said we're stopping at two and I can't do pregnancy again. It's too hard.

[Bobby Lee]

It's too hard on your life.

[Esther]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

You're done?

[Kyla]

Yeah, I think so.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Esther]

I don't know if she is.

[Kyla]

I think so. My face isn't even healed. You already know. It's like this has been hard.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah.

[Kyla]

A hard transition for me.

[Bobby Lee]

But it's unbelievable because I knew both of you without babies.

[Esther]

Yeah. I'm still. I'm the same, though.

[Bobby Lee]

There's a little change. You're a gutter rat. At one point.

[Esther]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

You were.

[Esther]

I know, I know. You were there. You were there too, because you were also in the gutter.

[Bobby Lee]

You eat his butthole.

[Esther]

I didn't eat his butthole. He ate my butthole. Remember this, right?

[Bobby Lee]

Imagine Tony Hinchcliffe eating her butthole.

[Esther]

You walked in on us once.

[Bobby Lee]

I think so, yeah.

[Kyla]

Oh, whoa. Wow.

[Esther]

Yeah. In the Comedy Store office, you walked in on something.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. Yeah. It's something that's burned into my psyche. Yeah. It's weird. Life goes on. People change.

[Esther]

Well, I think because for girls, we. We know how real it gets for us, we're we. The clock, the window will close and I think that's why.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah. I mean, I don't like the fact that it closes. God made a mistake.

[Esther]

I. I agree.

[Bobby Lee]

You should be able to be 60 and still have babies.

[Esther]

I agree.

[Bobby Lee]

What's menopause all about?

[Esther]

We'll find out.

[Kyla]

Yeah, I. I feel like I'm probably not far.

[Esther]

No.

[Kyla]

Right.

[Bobby Lee]

What is it, though? Is it you lose? What do you lose when you. With menopause?

[Kyla]

Estrogen.

[Bobby Lee]

Estrogen?

[Esther]

Yeah. Do you lose the hormone?

[Bobby Lee]

Can you inject estrogen?

[Kyla]

Yes. So basically, that's a whole big, big thing now, where we've been scaring women for decades about hormone support when they enter menopause. And so these women, they're called the forgotten generation, we've had because a lot of things are available to men. Right, you guys can get your tea, your testosterone. If a man has a problem, there's a solution, always. But with women, they've largely been left behind and said, if you use these things to make you feel better in menopause, it will cause you cancer. And they're, They're. They're now saying, that was a lie. It's a blatant lie. And we lost all these women to horrible symptoms of menopause.

[Esther]

I know you don't need to know.

[Bobby Lee]

This, but I do need to know.

[Esther]

Like, every woman that I know, basically, that's. That has gone through menopause, like, because you lose your estrogen, like, it is true. Like, you'll get dry down there, but then all you have to do is. Everyone uses this estrogen cream. Good as new.

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, but what. But do you lose sexual thoughts when you're on menopause?

[Kyla]

I think you can. I think, like, everybody's probably has a different experience with menopause, but I can imagine, like, I, I don't. You know, even in postpartum, like, I. It's hard for me to think about sex.

[Esther]

Yeah, I've already. I've already lost.

[Kyla]

Right?

[Bobby Lee]

Wait, you guys don't think about it?

[Esther]

It comes and goes.

[Kyla]

Yeah, it comes and goes. It comes in waves.

[Esther]

Like, right now I'm not thinking.

[Bobby Lee]

Of course not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kyla]

Do you think about it all the time?

[Bobby Lee]

Oh, yeah.

[Esther]

Really?

[Kyla]

And your dick still works, like, all the Time really good or do you need support?

[Bobby Lee]

Yeah, it's unbelievable. Like I, you know, I see older comics, like I see David Spade. Right. And we talk about, you know, are you still like. Yeah, me too. It's incredible. But older, even older dudes, I go, you still. I am, kid. You know what I mean? Do you still have feeling? Yeah, sure. But you know, and it's like incredible. I think you lose it at 75.

[Esther]

I'm unfortunately able to report that you don't.

[Kyla]

Oh, yeah. I don't think you necessarily lose it at 75.

[Bobby Lee]

I think some, the average though. I googled it.

[Esther]

My parents are still going.

[Kyla]

Men typically experience a gradual decline in sex drive libido between the ages of 60 and 70.

[Esther]

The only thing I know, my aunt who's 95, she has a boyfriend who's also 95 and they just hold hands in bed.

[Bobby Lee]

They don't.

[Esther]

No. Yeah, they couldn't. They could. Not their hips.

[Kyla]

I think, I do think that if you stay healthy, you should be fine for a long time.

[Bobby Lee]

Even if it went away, I'd be fine with it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Bobby Lee]

Because it's like every waking moment you think about it, it's always there.

[Esther]

What about when you're sitting here with us?

[Kyla]

Never?

[Bobby Lee]

No, because I. I took my rle in, so I'm kind of very focused.

[Esther]

Well, I guess it's time to say goodbye. I never know if Bobby likes me or not.

[Bobby Lee]

Ow.

[Kyla]

That's my.

[Bobby Lee]

Ow.

[Kyla]

Bobby. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. I was her. That really hurt.

[Esther]

I'm sorry. Why did you say sorry to me?

[Kyla]

Because. For interrupting you.

[Esther]

Oh, I don't care.

[Bobby Lee]

I'm sorry.

[Esther]

Thank you so much to our guest, Bobby Lee. He is my best friend and he is Kyla's ex boyfriend, my ex lover. And we'll see you next week with a brand new episode. Sat.