Kalila Holt (1:47)

See that it happened again. I think it was you posted

Peter Kim (1:51)

he's like I. I forgot what he said to me but something like this isn't me.

Kalila Holt (1:55)

No, but he actually post story on Instagram.

Peter Kim (1:58)

Oh God.

Kalila Holt (1:59)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (1:59)

He was probably the happiest to anyone from that mistake.

Esther Povitsky (2:02)

It was like finally a shout out.

Peter Kim (2:04)

Are we gonna talk about Alex versus Alex?

Esther Povitsky (2:06)

Yeah. Please. I'm dying.

Kalila Holt (2:08)

Me too.

Peter Kim (2:09)

Okay. Because look, we don't really want. It's no one wants women on women

Esther Povitsky (2:16)

to fight but we love blondes on blondes.

Peter Kim (2:19)

Yes. This is when the brunettes can step in and take power 100%.

Esther Povitsky (2:24)

It's never our time. It's always the blondies.

Kalila Holt (2:28)

I also here's the Thing about the both of them is that they're very much, literally at the top of their game.

Peter Kim (2:34)

That's why it's okay to watch them fight, right?

Esther Povitsky (2:37)

Yeah. Because it's punching up.

Peter Kim (2:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Esther Povitsky (2:39)

Okay. Does anyone have a, Like, a definite side they're on? Should we explain to the audience just in case they don't know?

Peter Kim (2:48)

I think you should, because you're amazing at that.

Esther Povitsky (2:49)

Okay, so Alex Earl versus Alex Cooper. There's an online beef happening.

Peter Kim (2:54)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (2:54)

They used to be friendly. Alex Earle is a get ready with me gal that, like, blew. Blew up. And Alex Cooper is a podcaster. Call her daddy and all of that. So they're both huge on the Internet.

Peter Kim (3:08)

I. I genuinely like to your point, there is no one more successful in our culture right now, I think, than those two.

Kalila Holt (3:14)

I think they're the biggest blondes right now.

Peter Kim (3:16)

For sure.

Esther Povitsky (3:17)

100.

Kalila Holt (3:17)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (3:18)

So Cooper had Earl on her network, unwell, and then things kind of just, you know, dissipated, and they said goodbye.

Peter Kim (3:26)

Right. But it was, like, unclear.

Esther Povitsky (3:28)

It was unclear why. And they were. For like, a year, they've been, like,

Peter Kim (3:32)

subtweeting, and down that road, unclear exits. Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (3:36)

Earl left, and we didn't know. And then recently, Earl was reposting, like, some kind of, like, nastier things that people. Internet people were saying about Cooper.

Peter Kim (3:46)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (3:47)

And then Cooper came out and said, hey, at me. Stop subtweeting me. Like, say exactly what the beef is. And we were all shocked because we were like, whoa. I thought we were just being passive aggressive. Like, that's kind of our thing. Like, why are we being so upfront about this? Like, you're really changing the game. And Earl responded, okay, on it.

Kalila Holt (4:10)

On a comment.

Esther Povitsky (4:11)

Yeah, on the comment said, like, okay, on it. Right. So.

Kalila Holt (4:14)

And we've been on it for a week and a half.

Esther Povitsky (4:16)

We've been waiting two weeks. But this Bloomberg News article came out of nowhere. And I'm like, okay, so the article was about Alex Cooper and Unwell Network and her husband, Matt Kaplan.

Kalila Holt (4:28)

Kaplan. And how he yells. Allegedly.

Esther Povitsky (4:31)

Yes. And how they're, like, basically bad for the business environment because they're screaming and people are working, overworked and stuff like that.

Kalila Holt (4:41)

Right.

Peter Kim (4:42)

I'll just say, from my experience in life in general, I don't love a handsome, tall Jewish man.

Esther Povitsky (4:49)

Okay. Speak on that.

Peter Kim (4:51)

Just trouble. I just. I'm. I'm always gonna be actually guilty until proven innocent with a tall Jewish guy. I don't. I don't trust you. Your mother loved you too much.

Esther Povitsky (5:02)

Like, too many privileges.

Peter Kim (5:03)

Yeah. I Don't know.

Esther Povitsky (5:04)

Yeah, I. I agree with her.

Kalila Holt (5:07)

Love little brown Filipino Hawaiian boy too much. I don't think so.

Peter Kim (5:14)

I don't have the experience there.

Esther Povitsky (5:15)

He's got to be little.

Kalila Holt (5:17)

He's a big boy. He's gonna be tall.

Peter Kim (5:19)

Yeah, I plan on loving him. That's the joke.

Kalila Holt (5:22)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (5:23)

Okay. But that said, now that I do have my own Jewish son, I will have to figure that out. But he's not gonna be tall, so it should be fine.

Esther Povitsky (5:32)

Okay. Okay. So now they're. That article came out, and I'm like, what kind of, like, questionable timing for this article to come out.

Peter Kim (5:43)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (5:44)

When Alex Earl still were waiting for a response. So in my head, my conspiracy brain, I'm like, did she have anything to do with this? Did she, like, help PR people kind of, like, push this narrative out?

Peter Kim (5:58)

It is interesting. It almost feels like everyone's passing the buck when it comes to, like, this potential. Like, Alex Cooper is bad, like, conversation. It's like, you know, her exact podcast co host, Sophia, kind of, like, pushed it down, and then it went on to Alex Earl. Alex Earl pushed it down. Then it went to journalism, by the way.

Kalila Holt (6:18)

Great. For Sophia, who's releasing a book very soon.

Peter Kim (6:21)

Like, who's not going to buy that book.

Esther Povitsky (6:24)

Oh, my God, yes, I'll read it.

Peter Kim (6:25)

And it's like, no shade, truly, to anyone involved. Like, I consume and appreciate the content of, like, all these people to a certain extent. Like, I think they're exciting parts of our culture. But. But like we said, like, when the blondes fight, when the skinny blondes fight, the medium brunettes can step in and take over.

Esther Povitsky (6:43)

Yes.

Peter Kim (6:43)

And so, like, you know, we have to just do our part.

Esther Povitsky (6:47)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (6:47)

Yeah. I'm curious. Like, if it were you in these scenarios, who do you feel like you'd act more? Like, would you be the retweeter, the subtweeter poster, whatever? Or would you be the, like, hey, what's. What is it?

Esther Povitsky (7:00)

I'm Toxis. I'm the latter, I guess. I don't know if that's toxic. Are.

Kalila Holt (7:05)

You're the passive aggressive?

Esther Povitsky (7:06)

No, I'm the aggressive aggressive.

Kalila Holt (7:08)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (7:08)

Like, I like a fight. But the thing is, like, I wouldn't be aggressive aggressive if I didn't have a leg to stand on.

Peter Kim (7:16)

Right. You gotta have the goods.

Esther Povitsky (7:17)

Yeah. You better have receipts. You better have backup. You better know, like, how the fight's gonna go.

Peter Kim (7:22)

But even if you have the goods, what it's. Sometimes you don't want to be a. I. I don't Know, honestly, I think

Kalila Holt (7:30)

that receipts are a thing of the past and people can in their own minds about, you know, it's like there's no proving yourself right and there's no proving anyone else wrong anymore. There's always going to be sides regardless. And that's just something you have to accept in your soul. You're not going to have people fully like you and fully believe you, no matter like how truthful or how correct you are. So it's like if you're a public figure, you make peace with that very quickly or you will die a very painful death.

Peter Kim (8:04)

I think you just said something that should be like, like etched in stone. Like everyone need. That is. That was beautiful and painful.

Kalila Holt (8:12)

Thank you. That comes from personal experience.

Esther Povitsky (8:14)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (8:14)

It's just a truth.

Kalila Holt (8:14)

It's like even if today I were to do a tell all of like the past five years of my life, it's like this is my truth and this is what happened. And here are all the voice recordings and here are all the receipts. People are committed to a side and it will stay that way. And that's just. You make you, you just let it go. Let go like God baby. Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (8:35)

Yeah, you're right.

Peter Kim (8:36)

I wonder if either of them or if maybe like Alex Cooper feels. Feels that. And that's what made her say like what? Stop this game. What do you have? I don't know. It's. It was a really bold and I'll say it, impressive move on her part.

Esther Povitsky (8:53)

It was.

Peter Kim (8:54)

Cuz everybody was sort. I feel like the culture was like the vibes were like oh like Alex Earl's like getting. But then it's like whoa, Alex Cooper just basically like won. Unless she, unless something huge comes out.

Esther Povitsky (9:07)

Right.

Kalila Holt (9:07)

People are very like enraptured like by Alex Earl for. And. And they are not going to ever hear out the truth.

Esther Povitsky (9:16)

What Cooper has to say.

Kalila Holt (9:17)

It doesn't matter.

Esther Povitsky (9:18)

Well, there's always going to be that subsection, but I think there's a larger subsection like us. We're kind of like I don't have really sides. Like I don't care but I do want to know.

Peter Kim (9:28)

We're too old to have a side.

Esther Povitsky (9:29)

No. And like they're so young. Like Alex I was like 20 something years. So like I don't, I can't get into the business of like Jenny Gen Z fights. But it is very interesting how Cooper came at it because even media strategy wise, like that's like a checkmate.

Kalila Holt (9:48)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (9:48)

Cuz like what can Earl do now? Like if she doesn't bring out like, some kind of nasty, like, predatory stuff on her. Like, she looks stupid.

Peter Kim (9:59)

Right.

Esther Povitsky (9:59)

It's kind of like the Drake and a Kendrick fight.

Kalila Holt (10:04)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (10:04)

Like Kendrick just completely decimated. Yeah. And then like, Drake had no leg to stand on.

Peter Kim (10:10)

Oh, is that why Drake has kind of been like, out of.

Kalila Holt (10:13)

Yeah. Because Kendrick just obliterated him like the smithereens, like, with a song.

Esther Povitsky (10:18)

Many.

Kalila Holt (10:19)

Well, many songs. But one of them he performed at the super bowl and he did not bleep a word out. Like, he was like, you're up, predator.

Esther Povitsky (10:28)

A minor.

Kalila Holt (10:29)

A minor.

Esther Povitsky (10:30)

Certified pedophile. Certified.

Kalila Holt (10:32)

Certified pedophile. Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (10:34)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (10:34)

Is that truthful? We can't please make that a two shot.

Kalila Holt (10:41)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (10:44)

It almost doesn't matter anymore.

Peter Kim (10:46)

Oh, see, that's what.

Esther Povitsky (10:47)

That's what you're saying.

Peter Kim (10:48)

Nothing.

Kalila Holt (10:49)

What the.

Peter Kim (10:50)

The truth doesn't matter.

Esther Povitsky (10:51)

We're Trump era and the bad guys

Kalila Holt (10:54)

are really banking on this. That nothing matters. If nothing's being done about the Epstein files. Nothing matters. And it makes me so utterly sad.

Esther Povitsky (11:02)

Speaking of Epstein files, like, I feel like if. If Alex Earle doesn't point to an Epstein email saying Alice Cooper was at the island.

Peter Kim (11:10)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (11:10)

I think it's. Cooper won this.

Kalila Holt (11:12)

I think so.

Peter Kim (11:13)

That is. Yes.

Esther Povitsky (11:14)

Right.

Peter Kim (11:14)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (11:15)

Like, you need to come out at this point because, like, we will go after women who are in the files, but not men.

Peter Kim (11:20)

Like doctors or women and doctors only.

Esther Povitsky (11:24)

Exactly.

Peter Kim (11:25)

We're taking out who's.

Esther Povitsky (11:27)

Who's content. Do you consume more of.

Kalila Holt (11:29)

Oh, I for sure consume more Alex. I'm on the Alex Cooper side of. Yeah, I. I'm just not, you know, Alex Earl. When she was doing like, the fun college party girl get ready with me, it was not. I. I was already way past that part of my life, so I could

Peter Kim (11:45)

not, like, relate 100 same. I was actually so shocked with how big she was amongst, like, the young people. I remember she came up with Brooks Goldfield and Brooke was like, loved Alex Earl. And I just was like, oh, I just have. This hasn't reached me. Like, I'm just too old for it.

Esther Povitsky (11:59)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (11:59)

Alex Cooper. I wasn't OG call her Daddy Listener. Like.

Kalila Holt (12:04)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (12:04)

You know, so there's. What about you?

Esther Povitsky (12:06)

Definitely Cooper. Because she's like, broken through to the mainstream.

Peter Kim (12:10)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (12:11)

She's become, for lack of a better term, like a late night host almost. Right. Where like, people go to spill tea at her thing. Alix Earl. I feel like here's the like, stupid gay bitch part of me. Is that my favorite part? I find. I find Alix Earl to be so fudgeing pretty that like, I can't stop looking at her.

Peter Kim (12:33)

Oh.

Esther Povitsky (12:34)

And that makes me like engender myself towards her. And I know that sucks because it's just like aesthetics, but like, that's.

Peter Kim (12:43)

That's. You're allowed that as a stupid gay bitch.

Esther Povitsky (12:45)

Yes, thank you. That is my right. Like, she's so pretty and so like stunning looking that I'm like, okay, you might be maga, but like, you're so hot. Like, you're so pretty.

Kalila Holt (12:57)

Yeah. These young hot Republicans are really coming in strong these days. It's kind of scary.

Peter Kim (13:03)

Do you ever get videos from Dana mom to 4?

Esther Povitsky (13:07)

Who's that?

Peter Kim (13:08)

Do you?

Kalila Holt (13:09)

I don't think so, but this sounds familiar.

Peter Kim (13:11)

She's like on one of those. She's just like a mom that gives mom tips and people are like, she's maga. And it's.

Kalila Holt (13:16)

You're right.

Peter Kim (13:16)

It's like young hot MAGA women are.

Esther Povitsky (13:19)

It's their time.

Peter Kim (13:19)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (13:20)

Because look at all like the, the. The secret lives of Mormon wives. Yeah, like 100 of them. Look how huge they are. They're all. Yeah, they're little Republicans, but none of

Esther Povitsky (13:30)

them say it out loud.

Kalila Holt (13:31)

But they're all. Yeah, they're all men.

Esther Povitsky (13:32)

They're all like, hush hush.

Peter Kim (13:33)

It's like, if you have to be hush hush, like, doesn't that mean you know it's bad?

Esther Povitsky (13:38)

Exactly.

Peter Kim (13:38)

Like, so what the fuck?

Kalila Holt (13:40)

I know, it's confusing.

Esther Povitsky (13:41)

So my friends are producing a movie and they wanted to offer the lead role to a guy. I'm just going to say it. Okay, now I forget his name. Wait, who's the guy? What I heard from my friend who's producing this movie said they reached out out. They were about to reach out to him and then they ended up changing their minds because they heard that he is in MAGA pocket. Apparently there's like celebrities that are very left facing that are secretly being funded by the Trumps and Jared Kushner and Ivanka.

Peter Kim (14:23)

That feels really crazy to me.

Kalila Holt (14:25)

But that doesn't feel crazy.

Peter Kim (14:27)

Why?

Kalila Holt (14:27)

Because money is money.

Peter Kim (14:29)

What's the benefit to anyone in that besides someone getting paid?

Esther Povitsky (14:32)

They get to control him.

Peter Kim (14:33)

To do what?

Esther Povitsky (14:35)

Anything they want.

Peter Kim (14:36)

I don't know, maybe like take him

Esther Povitsky (14:37)

on a yacht to, you know.

Peter Kim (14:39)

Oh, like for sex.

Esther Povitsky (14:40)

Him? Yacht boy.

Kalila Holt (14:43)

He's a yacht boy man.

Esther Povitsky (14:45)

He's a yacht man.

Kalila Holt (14:46)

He's a yacht man.

Esther Povitsky (14:47)

Every. Everyone's like a yacht girl or.

Peter Kim (14:49)

I know, going back to stupid gay bitch. I have this as well. Where I will love A celebrity fully based on their looks. I don't know anything about. I'm just like, that fit. Like, there's this singer who never quite broke through mainstream in America, but her name was Foxes, and her. I think her Instagram was like, I am Foxes. F O X E S Her face. Like, I just. There was like, two years of my life where I would just wake up and look at her face every. Like, she's so beautiful. And I never heard one of her songs, but, like, if she were to come to. I remember I would always check. Is she gonna come to a show in la? Never once listen to a song. But I was gonna go to just

Kalila Holt (15:30)

to see your face.

Peter Kim (15:31)

Yes.

Esther Povitsky (15:31)

Wow.

Peter Kim (15:31)

Like that. I had that.

Esther Povitsky (15:33)

That's the power of beauty.

Peter Kim (15:34)

Yes. Look at.

Esther Povitsky (15:36)

Oh, she's gorgeous.

Peter Kim (15:37)

Do you see what I'm saying? Do you see why I lost my mind?

Esther Povitsky (15:40)

Yeah, she's really pretty.

Peter Kim (15:42)

Anyways, Alex versus Alex. Alex Earl does seem so beloved and, like, a nice person.

Esther Povitsky (15:51)

Especially after Dancing with the Stars. Her, like, star meter went crazy.

Peter Kim (15:55)

Oh, I didn't realize that.

Esther Povitsky (15:56)

Yeah, she had a great run.

Kalila Holt (15:58)

Oh, she was incredible.

Esther Povitsky (15:59)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (16:00)

On Dancing with the Stars.

Peter Kim (16:01)

Yes.

Kalila Holt (16:01)

Not better than Whitney. Love it.

Esther Povitsky (16:03)

I mean, Whitney was amazing.

Kalila Holt (16:04)

Yeah. What a great villain. Redemption, though, because she was so hated that season on Mormon Wives. And then she went on Dancing with the Stars and everyone was, like, transfixed and, like, obsessed with her.

Peter Kim (16:16)

I love that we're seeing that more in our culture now. Women are dancing their way out of village, I think. So that's my plan.

Kalila Holt (16:24)

You think that I would have.

Esther Povitsky (16:26)

You have to first become a villain.

Peter Kim (16:27)

I'm gonna do some bad and dance.

Kalila Holt (16:30)

I need to take some dance lessons because I feel like that's my only

Esther Povitsky (16:33)

way I could see you doing Dancing with the Stars.

Kalila Holt (16:37)

Oh, I do it absolutely. You know, in an athlete kind of way, maybe. But so on a scale from zero to Filipino and a Filipino. I mean, like, full blown dancing ability. I am maybe at best a 3.5.

Esther Povitsky (16:52)

That's a Filipino. 3.5 is better than anything else.

Kalila Holt (16:55)

Like, but it would be very, like, technical and not natural, like, ability.

Esther Povitsky (17:00)

You wouldn't be able to, like, smut smile through it.

Kalila Holt (17:01)

No, no. I would be, like, counting in my life. Yes. Sweating. I would have no personality behind the dash part of it.

Peter Kim (17:07)

And I feel like you're the kind of person that. That when you decide you're gonna do something, you do it. And. Yeah, you would.

Kalila Holt (17:13)

You.

Peter Kim (17:14)

There's.

Kalila Holt (17:14)

But you'd see it in my face. I'd be like a full Grimace, the whole.

Esther Povitsky (17:17)

But I could see you coming out of your villain era through Dancing with the Stars because, you know, like, you've. The last five years.

Kalila Holt (17:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Esther Povitsky (17:25)

You've had, like, a tainted YouTube experience.

Kalila Holt (17:26)

Yes. A tainted YouTube experience is the sweetest way anyone has ever put it.

Esther Povitsky (17:30)

You want to go full bore.

Peter Kim (17:33)

You know, I just want to speak a little bit about. Things were going so smoothly with Madonna, right? Like, she announces Confessions Part 2. We're like, okay, this is literally the greatest thing you could have done for all of us. Like, finally, someone is just, like, doing the right thing with music. Then she shows up at Sabrina Carpenter. She's amazing. She's beautiful. She kills it. She's so herself on, on stage, and then she has to announce the world that her clothes were stolen. Like, don't you feel like she could have just let it go?

Kalila Holt (18:08)

Wait, like, tell me.

Peter Kim (18:09)

I didn't even know about it, you guys. The day after Coachella, the Monday after she posts on Instagram, like, my vintage outfits from my archives are missing. Someone took them, and they need, someone needs to do the right thing. These are part of history. And I'm just like, look, that's. That sucks. But, like, you are one of the greatest artists, most successful artists of all time. Like, can you take one loss and just, let's all move on? Like, and I am.

Kalila Holt (18:36)

Are people, like, weird about it? Are they, like, why are you even complaining?

Peter Kim (18:39)

I, I, that's me. That's me as the. I'm a big Madonna fan. Like, I literally taught Madonna 101 as an extracurricular my freshman year of college.

Esther Povitsky (18:48)

Whoa.

Peter Kim (18:48)

Like, Queen. Like, things have been rocky for the last five years. And we were going, it was going well, take the hit.

Esther Povitsky (18:57)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (18:58)

You're not a victim.

Esther Povitsky (18:59)

She called 91 1.

Peter Kim (19:00)

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, what do you think? Am I wrong?

Esther Povitsky (19:05)

I don't know. Because, like, saying it on Instagram is kind of cringe. Like, yeah, just do it privately. Like, I wouldn't post that if I was Madonna.

Kalila Holt (19:14)

How do you feel about celebrities, like, going off on airlines when they've had a bad airline experience?

Peter Kim (19:21)

I haven't seen that one, but it's, it's painful to watch.

Esther Povitsky (19:23)

I don't like seeing that on threads. Like, even comics who are like, hey, at Delta, really doing a fantastic job here at O R D can't get out, you know? And then they're like, sick em fans, you know, and they're like, what, you're 100,000 followers? Like, you're Gonna make them, like, bombard. Delta's like, Twitter like it is.

Peter Kim (19:44)

It's just a. Such a. Like, you get to see what people do when they've lost control and they can't control and like, as. Who is like, will be also going crazy in that moment. I got. You got to keep it to yourself.

Kalila Holt (19:58)

Yeah, yeah.

Peter Kim (19:59)

Like, it's got. You're not being personally attacked by United.

Kalila Holt (20:03)

And unless you're the Asian man being physically dragged on that, you know, is it United or Delta? I don't want to say the wrong one.

Esther Povitsky (20:10)

I forget who it was.

Kalila Holt (20:11)

Physically dragged out of there. Bloodied. Like, I think that we can let it go publicly. We don't have to let it go privately.

Peter Kim (20:19)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (20:19)

We can take their rights, like, steps and measures, but let's not take it to IG stories.

Esther Povitsky (20:24)

Maybe there's a close friends for a reason.

Peter Kim (20:26)

Yes. And do you really think. Does any one celebrity think they're that powerful that they're gonna take down Alaska Airlines?

Kalila Holt (20:34)

Like, lately, I know I've been seeing the Alaska slander.

Peter Kim (20:37)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (20:38)

Wait, what's with Alaska?

Kalila Holt (20:39)

You cannot separate kids like that. I'm so sensitive about that. Yeah. I think it was actually Brenda Song who was just like, hey, Alaska, like, you made. My kids should see. Sit, like, way the. In the back of the plane. They're like toddlers. I'm like, you cannot do that.

Peter Kim (20:53)

No, that is.

Kalila Holt (20:54)

That is a real. I feel like that was the only one I ever read where I'm like, she did the right thing. Because imagine if they did that to her. They could do that to just about any family. And that's traumatic.

Esther Povitsky (21:04)

That's how trafficking happens.

Kalila Holt (21:06)

Yes. You can't separate kids from their parents.

Peter Kim (21:08)

That is really weird.

Kalila Holt (21:09)

Especially when she did the right thing and, like, prepared in advance to make sure that the seats were all, like, together.

Esther Povitsky (21:15)

What the.

Peter Kim (21:15)

Yeah, that's different. But when you're like, my flight was delayed. Well, okay.

Kalila Holt (21:19)

They lost my bags.

Peter Kim (21:20)

Ok. Yeah. It's like that how many times I've lost my bag.

Kalila Holt (21:24)

Side A, side B, panties.

Peter Kim (21:25)

Just, you know, don't forget side C. What?

Esther Povitsky (21:30)

Side C. Still a mystery.

Peter Kim (21:32)

When you need it, you'll find it.

Esther Povitsky (21:35)

You will see,

Peter Kim (21:38)

there's this study that I am obsessed with, and I. I'm going to read the facts about it because I don't want to mess this up. But there is a study called the counterclockwise study. Have you heard of it? Okay, I bet you have. You just didn't, like, know the exact name.

Esther Povitsky (21:53)

Wait, hold on. You have a phone Without a case.

Peter Kim (21:56)

Yeah, I'm cool. I'm skinny and pretty.

Esther Povitsky (22:00)

That's so crazy. How dare you.

Peter Kim (22:03)

Okay, so this is called the counterclockwise study by Ellen Langer. And I'm pretty sure it will sound familiar to you. So it was done in 1979 at Harvard, and a small group of men in their 70s and 80s spent a week living all together as if it were 20 years earlier. The environment was fully recreated with old newspapers and music and TV shows. And they all were instructed to talk about like their past as if it was happening now. And they dressed and behaved like their younger selves. Right. So it's like this would be like if it's honest, honestly, what we, I do. Which is like if we're wearing low rise jeans, you know, like.

Kalila Holt (22:40)

Yeah, yeah.

Peter Kim (22:41)

So after one week, researchers observed that they had improved memory strength, length and posture, better hearing and vision, and they even, they say looked younger in photos. And the idea was basically if the mind goes back in time, that the body just might follow. And it kind of did. But you know, people always point out like it was a very small study of only eight men. There's no strong modern controls. And scientists today consider it interesting, but not proof that you can literally reverse aging. However, I stuck in high school, this study, I feel like it makes my life make sense.

Kalila Holt (23:19)

It makes your looks make sense.

Peter Kim (23:20)

That's true too.

Kalila Holt (23:21)

You look like a child because you're, you're, you're still obsessed with high school.

Peter Kim (23:25)

Yeah. And I wear the same clothes and like, I can really put my mind in the past. And I, I'm, I do wonder, like, does that keep me there? And also the fact that like I'll be out and people are like, are you over 13? Or, you know, like that happens to me still at the airport. And I'm just like, is there something to it? Now, I'm not saying I don't have wrinkles. Like I, I for sure have wrinkles and stuff, but I just feel like for me this study makes sense, that's all. I don't know. What do you guys think?

Kalila Holt (23:51)

I do think that there is something to the Peter Pan complex of it all.

Esther Povitsky (23:55)

If you act young, you look young.

Kalila Holt (23:57)

Yeah. But I think the part of acting young and behaving young is not being so burnt out by like the responsibilities. Because like, if you look at someone like, who is just very responsible and like always getting things done like that, that like encumbers their mind. Right. My perfect example is Bobby. I feel like he just as an age, he's 54. And that's because he's like, I don't know how to do anything. And I think you get to be a lot freer in a lot of ways. But that's a separate example, because I know you're super responsible. I think that you just, like, fantasize about high school a lot.

Peter Kim (24:33)

Yeah, I. I'm responsible in my own ways, but I'm also still very childlike in my own ways. And for me, a big thing, too, that I've always done is, like, I go home a lot, and my childhood has not changed a lick. Like, the. Like, my friends, when they come over to visit, like, my friends from high school, they're like, this home is a time capsule. Like, it transforms them. Because my parents have not changed anything. And I just. It makes me believe in this study, and it makes me want to, I don't know, like, have everyone sort of pretend you're younger.

Kalila Holt (25:09)

But what if. Funny message to tell everyone, hey, it turns out you should live in the past.

Peter Kim (25:14)

Yeah, right.

Esther Povitsky (25:16)

Don't move on.

Kalila Holt (25:17)

Don't move on.

Esther Povitsky (25:18)

Don't forget.

Kalila Holt (25:18)

Do not be present. Don't forgive, and don't even be present ever. Yeah, like, live back there as long as you can.

Peter Kim (25:27)

Can go back.

Esther Povitsky (25:28)

See, for me, my past was worse. Worse than my present. Like, my life is way better now than 20 years ago.

Kalila Holt (25:38)

But there was something very painful yet vital about being young, broke, and heartbroken. Like, okay, so for me, like, now that I'm, like, this mom and I have, you know, like, a lot more grounded, my life is not as, like, exciting necessarily as, like, my 20s. If I hear one song and if I fully, like, embody the. The person. I was listening to that song, and I'm in my car. There is something I feel in my system where I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I'm, like, revved up. Like, I'm like, oh, like youthful.

Esther Povitsky (26:12)

Exhibit A.

Kalila Holt (26:13)

Youthful.

Esther Povitsky (26:14)

I had that happen the other day in the car. I was listening to the radio because my jack wouldn't work. And all of a sudden you like, no, I was so strange. I was like, what. What is this kroq? And it was like, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby. Dude. Oh, my life. That came on. And I was like, well, maybe it wasn't K, but it was something. And I. It brought me back to, like, eighth. Ninth grade.

Peter Kim (26:40)

I was like, this is what I do all the time.

Esther Povitsky (26:43)

Yeah, you guys, the music really brings you back.

Peter Kim (26:45)

No, music is, like, known to be a good time machine. It does take you back. Yes, if you. If you're ever in a bad mood, if you listen to the music that was popular when you were in high school, that will boost you.

Kalila Holt (26:53)

I think so.

Peter Kim (26:54)

That has to be doing something to your body.

Kalila Holt (26:57)

I think so.

Esther Povitsky (26:57)

I'm stuck in the 90s for my playlist. All my 90s is like 90s R B, 90s hip hop and R B,

Peter Kim (27:04)

or

Esther Povitsky (27:06)

like grunge slash alt rock.

Peter Kim (27:09)

Okay. Long hair.

Esther Povitsky (27:10)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (27:11)

What are you? Collective soul.

Esther Povitsky (27:13)

Collective soul Stone Potembo pilots.

Kalila Holt (27:15)

I love.

Esther Povitsky (27:17)

Yeah. Like, I. It's Pearl Jam. Me too.

Kalila Holt (27:20)

That was very much me.

Esther Povitsky (27:21)

I'm stuck there because I feel like

Peter Kim (27:23)

I'm on this, like, specific pursuit of wellness that is not, like, supplements and like, like, you know, the. The traditional wellness, like Maha and whatever. I want to, like, like laughing music. Like, I want to pursue wellness, like, with that kind of stuff.

Kalila Holt (27:42)

You're going Okinawan style.

Peter Kim (27:44)

Oh, really?

Kalila Holt (27:44)

Yeah. You're going, like, Blue Zone style. I mean, in Okinawa, like, their whole thing is, like, the reason that we live so long is because we have friends younger. We have a community of. Not just our peer of people our age. We have friends of all generations. And another thing is, like, one of their biggest, like, predictors is whether or not you can from. From a sitting position, stand straight up.

Peter Kim (28:08)

I'm the one that told you this.

Kalila Holt (28:10)

But no, that's a. That's from the blue. The. The Okinawan people.

Peter Kim (28:13)

Remember I said this was the senior citizen challenge, and you did it.

Kalila Holt (28:15)

You. I did the challenge. I didn't know that's why you were telling me that. Yeah.

Peter Kim (28:20)

Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Okay. Twin.

Kalila Holt (28:22)

If you watch, like, the documentaries, like, these people in their, like, there's, like, centenarians, they can still.

Peter Kim (28:28)

That's crazy.

Kalila Holt (28:28)

Stand up. And they have young friends.

Esther Povitsky (28:31)

The young friends is important because all the old people old and all their friends die. Those are the people who end up not living long because they have no one else left.

Peter Kim (28:42)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (28:42)

But also, like, I love having older friends.

Peter Kim (28:45)

I don't want anything to do with anyone my age. No, we should be going up or down.

Kalila Holt (28:49)

Right? Right. Up or down.

Peter Kim (28:50)

Have this age. Let's go get other ages out there. Wait, I texted you this and you didn't respond.

Kalila Holt (28:56)

I didn't.

Peter Kim (28:57)

Do you have any information for me about Peptides? Everyone talks about them, and I'm. I think they're so shady, and I want nothing to do with them. And I just wanted to know what you thought.

Kalila Holt (29:09)

I don't think they're necessarily shady. Some people, like, anecdotally Feel like, amazing on peptides, right? Like, so you can't knock that. And I do feel as though, like, you know, they're. They could very well be something that you benefit or. There's so many different types.

Esther Povitsky (29:24)

What is it? It's not glutai. It's different than GLP1.

Kalila Holt (29:28)

JLP1 is mostly just for like, weight loss primarily. But there's different kind of like beauty peptides one for like, more like regeneration. There's so many different types.

Peter Kim (29:38)

It just sounds so fake to me. It's like beauty glow. Like what?

Kalila Holt (29:43)

Well, they're simplifying it in that way, but that's because the names are actually quite long and like, hard to like, you know, remember. But, you know, there's this whole idea that like, peptides cause like, angiogenesis. And angiogenesis is basically your body creating new blood vessels, which is in theory a okay thing because you have more blood flow. Let's say if you had more blood vessels anywhere in your face, you have more blood flow there. But angiogenesis, you don't want that to happen to an existing tumor. So you don't want a tumor to have more blood flow because then the tumor will proliferate and then spread and you have mets to the rest of your body. So there's that, like, argument of, like, could it potentially expedite, like, tumor growth and like mats or things like that? But I don't know enough about it. I haven't dug deep because I'm afraid to buy in.

Esther Povitsky (30:33)

You're not taking any.

Kalila Holt (30:34)

I know. I don't take anything.

Esther Povitsky (30:36)

Okay, me neither.

Kalila Holt (30:37)

I. I'm hardly on subs. I'm also the anti supplement game now. I. I realize now that the. I got caught up in the, in the whole, like, hype around all supplements, oils.

Peter Kim (30:49)

Like I definitely did. I mean, I am now because I'm postpartum taking like vitamin D and B12. Like, I'm doing those, like, basics, basics Y omega. But like, I. I got too far into thinking that I was gonna, like, solve all my problems with tinctures, and I'm not doing that.

Kalila Holt (31:05)

Yeah, same. So I'm. I'm over that. And now I'm just like, you know, what if I just eat well, move. I think I'm good.

Esther Povitsky (31:13)

That's really all it is.

Kalila Holt (31:14)

And I don't, like, keep shitty people around me so that my stress is lower.

Peter Kim (31:18)

Is that why you haven't been responding?

Esther Povitsky (31:21)

You're spiking her cortisol levels?

Kalila Holt (31:23)

Always.

Peter Kim (31:23)

Always.

Kalila Holt (31:24)

The one thing I will say about Esther, that's so impressive is that like she like, even with two kids, she has the time to text and I'm like, why am I fighting for my life here? I can barely get back to anyone.

Peter Kim (31:35)

And she's just doing like seamlessly question topic after topic.

Kalila Holt (31:39)

Whoa, you really have.

Peter Kim (31:41)

But my brain is like very weird right now. It's like firing and wiring really fast and then at the same time it's also like moving like sludge. Yeah, it's really confusing. Can we talk about skims Everyday cotton?

Kalila Holt (31:57)

Of course we can talk about skims every day. Every day.

Peter Kim (31:59)

Every day. Every day cotton. I am wearing it right now. The scoop Everyday cotton bralette has been my postpartum go to and then if I'm feeling like I want to at least feel sexy, I do. The everyday cotton triangle bralette.

Kalila Holt (32:13)

Yes. Love the triangle.

Peter Kim (32:14)

I have it in black and white. I just love that it's comfortable. I love that it's cotton because that's what my skin is needing right now. It's very sensitive. The skims are just cute, comfortable. They're exactly what I'm looking for right now in my undercarriage covers.

Kalila Holt (32:28)

And honestly, it's the one thing that has saved myself from myself. Like, it's the one thing where I feel like even in postpartum I'm like, you know what? This feels not just good on my body. I actually look cute.

Peter Kim (32:38)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (32:39)

Sexy.

Peter Kim (32:40)

I'm not quite willing to go granny style underneath.

Kalila Holt (32:44)

If you want the granny comfort without

Peter Kim (32:45)

the granny look, that should be how they promote it.

Kalila Holt (32:48)

Yeah, that should be their new.

Peter Kim (32:50)

You guys can shop everyday cotton and all of our favorite bras and underwear@skims.com after you place your order, be sure to let them know that we sent you select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. Klila, what's a purchase that I would never make that. If you saw it on my bill, you'd be like, that's a scam.

Kalila Holt (33:07)

A beachside restaurant. That's. If there was like sand anywhere around, I'd be like, esther did not go there. This is not a real thing she spent money on. I would flag it immediately.

Peter Kim (33:18)

Thank you so much.

Kalila Holt (33:20)

Or surfboard.

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Esther Povitsky (34:32)

Can I tell you something about health that I recently went through?

Peter Kim (34:35)

Please.

Esther Povitsky (34:35)

So I. For the last two and a half years. Sorry, guys, you could be bleep this out. I've been pooping bad. Like relate. Can you.

Peter Kim (34:46)

Of course.

Kalila Holt (34:47)

What kind of bad are we talking?

Esther Povitsky (34:49)

Like loose, gassy?

Kalila Holt (34:52)

Not formed? Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (34:53)

Not solid.

Kalila Holt (34:54)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (34:55)

I always felt like it was like anxiety because I was like, well, I'm an anxious person, so like that must be it. And then I recently had. I fell sick and I didn't know what this was, but I had a fever 104 for 12 days.

Kalila Holt (35:10)

Oh, for 12 days.

Esther Povitsky (35:12)

And my brain was boiling and I was like hallucinating and I went to the doctor twice and they were like, whoa, we don't know what this is, what's going on. And then they finally gave me two different antibiot because they thought there was an stomach infection. Like a bacterial infection.

Kalila Holt (35:27)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (35:28)

And then in that period, I cut out everything. I couldn't eat, I couldn't drink, I couldn't do anything. And I slowly started, like, bringing stuff back in after, like, I got better. Except for coffee, which I've been drinking black since I was 13 because I'm psycho and I'm from New York. And I was like, you know, hardcore. And I, after I cut out coffee, I am pooping straight up nuggets.

Kalila Holt (35:54)

Really?

Esther Povitsky (35:55)

Like solid.

Peter Kim (35:56)

Like good ones.

Esther Povitsky (35:57)

Yes.

Peter Kim (35:58)

Because nuggets sound small.

Kalila Holt (36:00)

I need full chicken tenders.

Esther Povitsky (36:01)

I was juicing like it was crazy. And there was a point where, like, I couldn't even have sex with my husband because my butthole was so chapped. Oh, you Know what I mean?

Kalila Holt (36:12)

Yeah, we don't like a chapped yet. I'm sorry. That sounds painful.

Esther Povitsky (36:15)

I was putting Neosporin on my butthole just to, like, get it to a point where I could be intimate with my partner.

Kalila Holt (36:21)

What do you.

Peter Kim (36:22)

What you really think it was coffee?

Esther Povitsky (36:24)

It has to be, because I brought everything back in and I haven't had coffee in a month. And my poops have been incredible.

Kalila Holt (36:33)

Really?

Esther Povitsky (36:34)

To a point where, like, in the mornings I'll poop and then I'll be like, oh, happy day. Like, I'm skipping down the road. Like, I feel amazing and confident.

Kalila Holt (36:42)

And that's so crazy too. Especially coming off of two antibiotics because usually that'll wipe out your Florida and all that caused some weird to happen. I know, but it did the opposite for you.

Peter Kim (36:54)

You just randomly got, like, really sick.

Esther Povitsky (36:56)

Well, I got a bacterial infection in my stomach.

Peter Kim (37:00)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (37:00)

Probably some dirty dick. I went to Palm Springs twice in a month. That has to be it.

Kalila Holt (37:08)

How come when I go to Palm Springs, like, I are there, like, I only see, like, older gay men.

Peter Kim (37:13)

Yeah, me too.

Kalila Holt (37:14)

Or older gays in general.

Esther Povitsky (37:16)

What, in Palm Springs?

Kalila Holt (37:17)

Yeah. I don't see, like, super young.

Esther Povitsky (37:20)

They're at the Ace Hotel.

Kalila Holt (37:21)

I was right by the Ace Hotel. You are. You're right. The Ace Hotel. That's where they're at.

Esther Povitsky (37:25)

And they're also at. What's it called? Clothing optional. What's it called? Resorts.

Peter Kim (37:33)

Yeah, clothing optional resorts in Palm Springs.

Esther Povitsky (37:36)

Oh, you didn't know?

Peter Kim (37:37)

No. Tell me more.

Esther Povitsky (37:38)

Oh, there's a bunch of clothing optional resorts. Obviously it's game ass. And you go and you walk around pretty much naked.

Peter Kim (37:47)

Like, everyone's naked.

Esther Povitsky (37:49)

Everyone's naked. And then there's like, rooms that are, like. Basically doors open and people are, like, having orgies and. And you could, like, kind of peep in and be like, me. And they're like, no.

Kalila Holt (38:03)

Oh, what a feeling I'd be. I'd leave crying if someone said I was like. If I was like, me.

Esther Povitsky (38:07)

And they're like, it's happened to be too much to cry.

Kalila Holt (38:11)

I cannot handle that rejection.

Esther Povitsky (38:13)

No, I'm truly about it. I don't even get, like, rejected.

Peter Kim (38:15)

Are there any women there?

Esther Povitsky (38:16)

No.

Peter Kim (38:17)

Wow.

Esther Povitsky (38:18)

I don't think you would like it.

Peter Kim (38:20)

I guess.

Kalila Holt (38:20)

Like, you don't think women would like it or that Esther wouldn't like it?

Peter Kim (38:23)

Like, I'm homophobic and won't want it.

Esther Povitsky (38:25)

You'll be like, no, I don't think women would like it. There's nothing for you there. I Don't think you'd be like, you would feel safe.

Peter Kim (38:34)

Okay.

Esther Povitsky (38:34)

But yeah, you're like, okay, a change.

Peter Kim (38:36)

I seek safety.

Esther Povitsky (38:37)

Yes, yes. It's like going on a gay cruise. Like, like you wouldn't really love that cuz you're like, you could be on the cruise but everyone's like. And dancing.

Peter Kim (38:44)

They would not. No one would give a about me.

Esther Povitsky (38:47)

They would, they would be like, hey, can you get me a towel?

Peter Kim (38:50)

Well that would be like normal nights for me when I was out at a, at what's that? I think I've told you this before, but what's that really cool bar where the women dance sometimes?

Kalila Holt (38:58)

The one in Tit Town?

Peter Kim (39:00)

Yeah. Basically I was standing there and this girl comes up to me, she's like, can we have some more cups? Like what? Like why me? What did I do?

Esther Povitsky (39:10)

Yeah, you turn around and the wait staff's wearing the same exact. Wait. Are there like girl orgies?

Kalila Holt (39:16)

Kyla, I've never been to an all girl. Like I've seen like you go to like sex clubs or you just like walk around and you're like I went to.

Esther Povitsky (39:25)

But there's men there, right?

Kalila Holt (39:26)

There's men and women and you're like,

Esther Povitsky (39:29)

there's no like girl on girl type of thing.

Kalila Holt (39:32)

I have, I haven't been to like all girls know, but I know that Stella Berry has talked about these like very exclusive sex parties. I've never been to any of those, like ever.

Esther Povitsky (39:44)

No, me neither.

Kalila Holt (39:45)

I'm just too, I think that what it is is like in theory I want to be that girl and then I get there and I'm just not that girl.

Esther Povitsky (39:51)

You're like, get me out of here.

Kalila Holt (39:52)

I need to have like a conversation.

Esther Povitsky (39:54)

You know what's so sad about me?

Kalila Holt (39:55)

Every time I hate that about myself.

Peter Kim (39:58)

Why would you hate that?

Kalila Holt (39:59)

I think it's because it's like I do want to have like this like reckless kind of like, like fun and I talk about like, oh, I just suck dick in Spain. No, all of those dicks that I sucked in Spain. We dated. Like there was conversation and I want to be like, I just sucked a dick in an alleyway. Like that's, I'm so full of. Because that dick I sucked in the alleyway was like a boyfriend and I was like, can I suck your dick in an alleyway?

Peter Kim (40:19)

You know what I mean?

Esther Povitsky (40:20)

It was like you asked permission.

Kalila Holt (40:21)

It wasn't a rando. It was like there's, there was a relationship and, and I, I, I, I

Esther Povitsky (40:27)

wish you were the girl that could suck rando dick.

Kalila Holt (40:30)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (40:30)

Wait, hold on. Hold my hands. Maybe we'll, like, trans transfer. Freaky Friday

Kalila Holt (40:38)

transference.

Peter Kim (40:39)

Yes.

Kalila Holt (40:39)

Oh, my God, I would love to,

Esther Povitsky (40:41)

because I'm, like, the opposite of you. I can't suck a dick that I know.

Kalila Holt (40:45)

I knew you told me that.

Esther Povitsky (40:46)

I can't do it. I find it repulsive. I don't understand how gay guys, like, hook up with their friends. I'm like, if I. If you're my friend, I'm like, you're off limits. You're disgusting to me. You don't even have a body. You know? Like, I. And that's my own intimacy.

Kalila Holt (41:00)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (41:01)

Like, I'd rather just be like, you, you're hot us alleyway now and never speak to you again. Because I think I have this. It's probably, like, an old Christian shame thing where I'm like, I don't want us to talk afterwards.

Peter Kim (41:14)

Oh, you wanted to just, like, go away. Like it didn't happen.

Esther Povitsky (41:17)

Like it didn't happen.

Peter Kim (41:18)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (41:18)

That's why I like sex parties or, like, orgies, because it's very like. Like, you, me. Okay, let's go. You know, Bye. Yeah, but here's the thing about me. Like, every time I go to any of these, like, gay parties, I'm, like, so quick to, like, get off. Whereas every other man is like, no, I'm waiting. I gotta save this nut. You know? And they're all like, oh, not yet. You know? And I'm like, I need to go home and sleep. So, like, let me. I paid the entrance fee. Like, let me get off. I'm usually like, if I go to a party at midnight, I'm out of there at 1208.

Peter Kim (41:54)

You are not getting a good value.

Esther Povitsky (41:56)

No. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, like, it's. You're going there to get off, right? Like, let's go. Like, I have to go home and watch Netflix.

Peter Kim (42:06)

What are we waiting for?

Esther Povitsky (42:07)

Yeah, I have tv. There's so much good TV to catch up on.

Kalila Holt (42:11)

I really respect that. I thank you for possibly giving me some of that. But it's like, whose dick am I gonna suck? Other than Aloha, maybe. We'll really appreciate that. And I have my banana pen, please.

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Esther Povitsky (45:02)

Speaking of sucking dicks, are you guys still into it?

Kalila Holt (45:05)

Let me tell you what I'm just like not where I'm at in my

Esther Povitsky (45:08)

life While she shoves a banana down.

Kalila Holt (45:10)

I know. It's. I'm. I'm unfortunately just not feeling like myself a lot, and I'm just feeling very like. Like, don't even see me as a sexual being.

Esther Povitsky (45:23)

I see.

Kalila Holt (45:23)

Yeah. And I. I don't know. Not yet. And I know that I'll recover and I'll bounce back and I'll want to be that again. It's just really hard for me. My biggest jag right now is I cannot feel. It's like, Madonna whore complex. It's like, right now, I am just all mom. I cannot tap into that other side. It's not even that I miss her. I don't want to know her. I feel icky. I feel icky like being a mom and even thinking myself in that way. And that's. I need to work that in therapy, obviously, because you can be everything. You can be sexual. You can be a. You can do all these things. I just can't access who.

Esther Povitsky (45:58)

Just from reality tv, it seems like that's happening a lot.

Peter Kim (46:03)

Really?

Esther Povitsky (46:03)

Like, Kristin from the Valley is going through that right now.

Peter Kim (46:05)

Really?

Esther Povitsky (46:06)

Tell me more, because Kristen just had a baby. Do you know. Do you know Vanderpump Rules?

Peter Kim (46:10)

No, I never said that.

Esther Povitsky (46:11)

It doesn't matter. She was also the villain at it, but she. She danced herself out. But she recently got pregnant, and she's going through a lot of similar issues over of, like, I don't feel myself, and I don't want you to touch me. I don't even want to put on clothes.

Peter Kim (46:27)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (46:27)

How's her husband responding in a really gross, jerky way?

Esther Povitsky (46:30)

No, he's being very sensitive, but he's being very verbal about. And I love seeing this, too, because he's expressing like, hey, I think you're beautiful, and I am horny, and I want to be with you.

Peter Kim (46:44)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (46:44)

All these things, and she doesn't want to even hear it. She's like, don't call me beautiful. Don't. Like, I don't care if you think I'm sexy. I don't think I'm sexy. So it doesn't matter how many times you call me sexy. Like, I can't hear it.

Peter Kim (46:57)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (46:57)

Yeah. Because we don't believe men ever. I. Not a single time in my life has a man said, you look incredible. That I've been like, oh, that since I. I'm so glad you said that. I now feel better about myself. Like, I've never.

Peter Kim (47:11)

It's.

Kalila Holt (47:11)

It has to come from me, how I view myself, which really sucks, because I have A partner who is so utterly supportive and who's so respectful of, like, my needs and stuff. And he does say, like, hey, you're beautiful. Like, I saw him physically get a boner. Like days after I got Bell's palsy and my half of my face was melted. I saw him like pop a boner. And I was like, this is bad. And it's like pressure bad. It feels like pressure. But he didn't. Obviously he didn't. Like, he wasn't like, oh. Like he, he just. Over from in the corner of my eye. I just, you know, this. And he didn't do anything about. But still I was just like, oh, I hate this. So I understand her. Kristen.

Esther Povitsky (47:54)

Yeah.

Kalila Holt (47:54)

Of her being like, I don't even want you to say anything.

Esther Povitsky (47:57)

Okay. Should we talk about love then?

Peter Kim (47:59)

What about love?

Esther Povitsky (48:00)

Like love story.

Peter Kim (48:02)

Okay. Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (48:03)

Yes.

Kalila Holt (48:03)

I haven't watched it yet, but I am very happy to hear it from both of you.

Esther Povitsky (48:08)

Okay. So I'm four episodes in. I. Are you done?

Peter Kim (48:11)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (48:11)

Okay. I'm at the episode where after the mom dies.

Peter Kim (48:15)

Okay. Yeah. That was my least favorite episode.

Esther Povitsky (48:17)

He goes running in the rain and then he shows up at her place and they.

Peter Kim (48:20)

Oh, yeah, yeah. What are you. Do you love it? Are you.

Esther Povitsky (48:23)

I actually love it.

Peter Kim (48:24)

It's so good. I feel like the lead actors are shockingly really, really good.

Esther Povitsky (48:29)

And I love that they're people we haven't seen.

Peter Kim (48:31)

I don't know if it's the show's interpretation. I. Basically my view of JFK Jr. Is changing in a big way and. And I. It seems like he was a dummy.

Esther Povitsky (48:43)

A dummy?

Peter Kim (48:44)

Yeah. And I don't know if that, that's because of the way that the actor is playing him or if it's just the facts I'm learning are adding up to maybe he wasn't so smart.

Esther Povitsky (48:56)

Well, he did fail the LSATs. I mean, the bar exam, many times.

Peter Kim (49:00)

Right. Which that's like, fine. Like I can, you know, that's whatever. But he was so into his body and like being seen and it just seems like, was he just like a pretty boy and he never really gonna be like the next president? He was just gonna kind of be like a goof off. I don't know. But again, that's coming from almost like the Gen Z mindset where all good looking guys are like absolute buffoons? I feel like. Was he actually a dodo?

Esther Povitsky (49:24)

I think because he was from this dynastic family, people put a lot on him.

Peter Kim (49:29)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (49:29)

But like, he could just be just a regular Schmegular guy with a hot body.

Peter Kim (49:34)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (49:35)

And that's what it seems like it was. But I. The. The biggest thing is that Carolyn, she's like, really the hero of the story for me. I know, because she's so cool, and she's just, like, smoking cigarettes and be like, I don't fucking care who you are. I don't need you. The way the banter together, I'm like, I wish I was this cool.

Peter Kim (49:56)

I don't think it's just the show, because I think the show is a really accurate representation of. Of reality. I read that book that it's based on, like, last year, and. And just everything we hear about them, which, again, everything is hearsay, like, who really knows? But it does feel like it's putting together the best picture you could possibly put together. I think that in our society, we think that, like, movie stars are the coolest, but I think it's like those fashion girls that work behind the scenes, those are the ones that are the most creative, the smartest, like, the most intellectual. Like, randomly, they're just, like, super hot. Like, I do feel like she actually was an accurate it girl. And of course, when you add on the factor that, like, she didn't want to be photographed, like, I know. Oh, my God.

Esther Povitsky (50:43)

Cool. And she's so gorgeous too, like, effortlessly.

Peter Kim (50:46)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (50:47)

That's such a cool thing to show, is like, you don't need to be in front of the camera to be, like, influential. You can be, like, a boss bitch from the back.

Peter Kim (50:54)

Does it bother you that he seems like a mama's boy way?

Esther Povitsky (50:58)

Yes.

Peter Kim (50:59)

Really? Okay. Why?

Esther Povitsky (51:00)

I don't know if it's Ryan Murphy or the way they directed it, but so many scenes of them felt so

Kalila Holt (51:06)

intimate between mom, his Jackie, Jackie O and jfk. Oh, really?

Esther Povitsky (51:11)

Like, the way they hug each other. And I know you're both boy moms, but, like, I figured you'd bring this up.

Kalila Holt (51:18)

I know. I like to hear every cautionary tale.

Esther Povitsky (51:20)

No, I. I don't think she, like, ruined him by any way, but. But, like, just the way the director is positioning the camera, I'm like, wow, it's. I don't know. I got triggered because my mom never touched me. So, like, when I'm watching this, I'm like, they really loved each other. He's, like, reading to her.

Kalila Holt (51:37)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (51:37)

And they're like. They were like, best friends.

Peter Kim (51:39)

Yeah. It is a really intimate representation of mother son in a way that didn't bother me, which is shady. It's obviously because I was pregnant With a boy when I was watching it, but I, I, I don't know, it, it didn't bother me.

Kalila Holt (51:54)

I have to watch it and report back.

Esther Povitsky (51:56)

It's definitely not anything shady.

Peter Kim (51:58)

Yeah, it just seems like it's loving. She seems like a, like she was like a disciplinarian in a way that made him love her and devoted to her. And it doesn't seem like she was overly in coddling.

Esther Povitsky (52:13)

Yeah, no, but she had, she had so much affection for him. And, and by comparison, Caroline Kennedy, the daughter, got like nothing from her.

Peter Kim (52:23)

So different, really.

Esther Povitsky (52:25)

Like, she was definitely a boy.

Kalila Holt (52:26)

She was a boy, mom.

Esther Povitsky (52:27)

Yeah, for sure. Are you afraid that you might inadvertently favor your boy?

Peter Kim (52:32)

No, not at all.

Esther Povitsky (52:33)

Okay.

Peter Kim (52:34)

I'm super, super into my daughter. Like, I am a girl mom, and I'm navigating what the differences feel like, but I also feel like they're all things that I'm just making up in my head as I go. Cuz I'm like that with animals. Like my, my, like Donut is my girl and Pepper is my boy. I put so much emphasis on gender that is so invented and made up that I, I, I don't know. I can't figure out what that is. Like, if I like, I'll be like, dave, can you imagine if Donut was a boy? He's like, what? Doesn't really? Yeah, I'm like, I could never imagine it. I don't know.

Esther Povitsky (53:12)

Hilarious.

Peter Kim (53:13)

Yeah. What are your thoughts on, on the whole JFK Jr saga, if any?

Kalila Holt (53:17)

I was too young to have an opinion when it happened. Right. So I'm curious to see how, you know, I just thought it was like, oh, two grown famous people, like, died in a, you know, that's like the extent, like my mom was way more invested. But to your point about like possibly like raising a boy differently than a girl, I do think you do have to consider that. Yeah, they are, are like different. But I always see in those situations where I've dated guys who have been mama's boys and who have had sisters that have been like, emotionally neglected and they always become super successful and the boy becomes so stunted and is still like begging for his mom's lasagna like three times a week. And I, in those situations, like, I'm always like, once I realize I'm like, oh my God, this person's like a mama's boy boy, I automatically equated to him not being ever financially successful.

Esther Povitsky (54:14)

Interesting.

Kalila Holt (54:14)

I always, those guys in my head never kind of get that far. Like, whereas the girl Usually the sister in this situation, like, is always some like, CEO or something, like very important.

Peter Kim (54:27)

Deprived of mother's love. And so she's. She.

Kalila Holt (54:30)

Well, it's like, it's not even deprived at that point. It's just, she's just not stunted by the. Is like overly like, like this over coddling force in her face all day long where she, she has more of a sense of like self discovery maybe. And I think that can go both ways. Like helicopter parenting is just not good.

Peter Kim (54:48)

You know what is crazy that people are now coming out and saying that like that plane crash should be considered murder. Why he was told not to fly. He was flying without his instructor when he probably should have been. Like, he didn't have the right amount of hours or whatever the, the weather was. Again, conditions where it's like, you should not be flying if you're a beginner at all. It was also the first time he was flying since his leg had healed from being broken. So actually Carolyn's mother, like had a. She sued them and she had a good case. Like, obviously they settled, you know, because they're the Kennedys and they, they can settle. I mean, a mother lost two daughters.

Kalila Holt (55:29)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (55:29)

In a plane crash. Like, that is. That is painful. That is horrible. That's another thing that they depict a lot in the show is kind of like the mom not really approving from the get go and not wanting her daughter to lose herself. Talk about a girl mom. Like, she doesn't want her daughter with this like, most eligible bachelor, you know, whatever.

Esther Povitsky (55:51)

Which is the opposite of what Jackie oh's mom wanted for her. Because Jackie oh, his mom was like, desperate for her to like, be sold off to the highest base or like whatever. The aristocracy or whatever aristocracy of American socialites.

Peter Kim (56:06)

You know who I do love is Jack Schlossberg.

Esther Povitsky (56:09)

Me too.

Peter Kim (56:10)

I love him. He's. Do you know who he is?

Kalila Holt (56:13)

Oh, Tatiana. Caroline's son, Carolyn.

Peter Kim (56:16)

So he's JFK's JFK.

Esther Povitsky (56:18)

He's tall, handsome and Jewish. Are you okay with that?

Peter Kim (56:21)

So I. It is. Is he tall? Is he for sure tall? And he's only half Jewish.

Esther Povitsky (56:28)

What's tall? Six foot over?

Kalila Holt (56:30)

Like five, ten and over?

Esther Povitsky (56:31)

Yeah, I think he's five, ten and over.

Peter Kim (56:33)

Okay, well, he is only half Jewish. He doesn't have a Jewish mother.

Esther Povitsky (56:36)

Oh, so it doesn't. Yeah.

Peter Kim (56:37)

Which I don't think that that doesn't count that you're not Jewish, but it doesn't make you like a crazy.

Esther Povitsky (56:41)

Oh, I see, I see. Yes. Yes.

Peter Kim (56:43)

Okay. The Other thing that I wanted to mention is that, like, what I remember when JFK Jr passed away, which is obviously horrible tragedy. Like, a lot of people were, like, mourning. They're like, he was going to save democracy. He was going to be our next president. That is the. The piece of the puzzle that, like, I want to believe in, but I don't.

Esther Povitsky (57:02)

I don't believe in that. That I think he wanted to just be a playboy and goof off and run this stupid ass magazine. He liked being, it seems, like a public figure, but I don't think he was, like, the guy who was going to, like, save us all or, like, the Democratic Party's, like, golden boy. He had a lot of pressure to be that.

Peter Kim (57:23)

Right. Which so probably sucks.

Esther Povitsky (57:25)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (57:25)

But he. I'm not. He seemed like a good guy.

Kalila Holt (57:28)

Whatever.

Peter Kim (57:28)

But Jack Schlossberg is, like. He's, like, funny. He is like a Kennedy with a little bit of Jew in him. Like, he's, like, funny, and I love that he. When he's called RFK Jr. Animal.

Kalila Holt (57:39)

Yes. So funny.

Peter Kim (57:41)

That is hilarious.

Kalila Holt (57:43)

Hilarious, sister.

Peter Kim (57:45)

Yes. So his. Yeah, I know. Tatiana Schlossberg.

Kalila Holt (57:48)

Yeah, she passed away, which is a.

Peter Kim (57:49)

Another, like, absolute horror story.

Esther Povitsky (57:51)

Horror story.

Peter Kim (57:52)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (57:53)

So you think, like, it skipped a generation, maybe, and it's coming to Jack,

Peter Kim (57:56)

maybe because he's, like, running for office really young, and he's activated. He's activated.

Esther Povitsky (58:01)

Remember he challenged Schultz to a. A boxing match or. Yeah. He was like. He was like, let's go. Let's fight it out. And Schultz never responded.

Peter Kim (58:12)

I'm pro nepo, baby, when it comes to him. Because. Because he's fighting a good fight. People want to, like, use that against him. Like, he's just. His name, whatever. But he's doing good work. I'll take it. Like, if that gives him press and promotion, like, I'm on board. I buy in.

Esther Povitsky (58:28)

Me, too. Use that nipple for good.

Peter Kim (58:30)

Yeah, but.

Kalila Holt (58:31)

So what are your thoughts around Spencer Pratt, then?

Esther Povitsky (58:34)

People are saying he's gonna win.

Kalila Holt (58:36)

People saying he can.

Esther Povitsky (58:37)

He's leading.

Peter Kim (58:38)

What, is he running for mayor?

Kalila Holt (58:40)

Mayor?

Peter Kim (58:40)

No. Nithya Rahman cannot beat Nithya. You really think he has a shot? Oh, no.

Esther Povitsky (58:46)

Influencer. Because, like, the youth are voting now

Kalila Holt (58:49)

and then Rogan had him on.

Esther Povitsky (58:50)

I know.

Kalila Holt (58:51)

Ro.

Esther Povitsky (58:52)

What an idiot. Do you see Andy Cohen call him a. Yeah, yeah. Rogan. Not.

Kalila Holt (58:58)

Not Spencer Pratt.

Esther Povitsky (58:59)

Spencer.

Peter Kim (59:00)

What do you guys see or know of Spencer Pratt?

Kalila Holt (59:02)

Look, I was actually very much enjoying his crystal collection. Like, I do like that he's been Heidi's, like, lifelong hype. Man.

Peter Kim (59:13)

That is. That is.

Kalila Holt (59:13)

I do like that.

Peter Kim (59:15)

That's cool.

Esther Povitsky (59:16)

That's cute.

Kalila Holt (59:16)

And it's like, when anything great happens for her, he's like, fudge. Yeah. You know, she deserves all of this.

Esther Povitsky (59:21)

He doesn't have a job. She's the money bags.

Kalila Holt (59:25)

But he is highly entertaining. I don't know if you saw, like, post Palisades fire, like, what he was. There's just. There's a lot of things worth tuning in about Spencer Pratt. I just don't want him necessarily to be my mayor.

Esther Povitsky (59:37)

I don't want celebrities in office. I think we should bring politics back to uggos. And people who don't have personalities that sit in cease.

Peter Kim (59:45)

Like, C Span.

Esther Povitsky (59:46)

It's gotten too crazy.

Kalila Holt (59:47)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (59:48)

Like, I don't. Except for Jack Schlossberger. I feel like he is actually smart and he knows what he's doing, but he's not a celebrity.

Peter Kim (59:54)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (59:54)

He's just a Nepo baby. As a quick anecdote, we interviewed Spencer Pratt on, like, a reality walk, like, a red carpet thing one time, and we asked him what the meaning of life is to him, and he said, tacos. Tacos. He's not completely wrong, but I'm not voting for that. That's not what I'm voting for. Like, he's a fun time at a party, you know, like, yeah, I need him.

Kalila Holt (60:17)

I think that's what it is. I need Spencer Pratt to stay Spencer Pratt.

Esther Povitsky (60:21)

100%.

Peter Kim (60:22)

That kind of keeps things in order.

Kalila Holt (60:23)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (60:24)

He's been Spencer Pratt for so long.

Esther Povitsky (60:26)

Yeah.

Peter Kim (60:27)

That maybe we just need a little bit of comfort and safety. We need some things not to change.

Kalila Holt (60:32)

Right. It's like, in the same way, I think that Oprah should stay Oprah. I do not think that people are like Oprah for the, like, no, leave Oprah.

Peter Kim (60:40)

I disagree. Oprah should be president.

Esther Povitsky (60:41)

You think so?

Peter Kim (60:42)

Guys are insane.

Esther Povitsky (60:43)

No way.

Peter Kim (60:44)

How is that ever a bad thing if Oprah's president? She's so good at everything she does, you know, she'd be fighting for all the right things. You guys are nuts.

Esther Povitsky (60:51)

I don't trust her. I'm sorry. What I want to say right now. I don't trust her. I do not trust Oprah. And by the simple fact that two things. She's a billionaire. I don't trust any billionaires. Even Beyonce. You're my queen, but you need to lose some money. Second kin. She capes for Tyler Perry. And Tyler Perry is so bad and horrible, and I don't like that. I don't like that she, like, defends him. And it's icky. It feels icky to me. I love her garden. I love her waistline. She looks amazing. The O is really working for O. But, like, I don't know. So you're. You're a big fan.

Peter Kim (61:30)

Look, I. I cannot challenge anything you just said. I can't. You. You always speak the truth.

Esther Povitsky (61:37)

That'll bring.

Peter Kim (61:38)

I can't think of an alternative that's better. But I know she's never going to run. Why would she? She's in the Santa Barbara garden mansion. Like, who.

Esther Povitsky (61:45)

I would hate to.

Peter Kim (61:46)

Who would leave that for presidency.

Esther Povitsky (61:48)

No way to move into a smaller house.

Kalila Holt (61:51)

No.

Esther Povitsky (61:52)

Are you kidding?

Peter Kim (61:52)

The old with no. Probably good repairs.

Esther Povitsky (61:55)

They don't even have an east wing right now. Like, it's crazy. There's really no one now that I could look at, male or female.

Peter Kim (62:03)

Now I feel like we're just learning. The president is just like the face of the operation.

Esther Povitsky (62:07)

You're just a puppet Kalila for president. I mean, over any of these idiots around here.

Kalila Holt (62:13)

Can I tell you something? I'm thankful that you brought that up. There was truly a point in my young childhood where I wanted to become the president of the Philippines.

Peter Kim (62:23)

Oh, really?

Kalila Holt (62:24)

This was not a made up thing where I was like, oh, it wasn't? No. It was like, I'm going to go into something. I'm gonna be a lawyer. If I stayed in the Philippines, not if I came to America. If I stayed in the Philippines, I would have absolutely been in politics, I think.

Peter Kim (62:40)

Can you do it still?

Kalila Holt (62:42)

No, Not. Not with my. My head the way it's at now.

Esther Povitsky (62:45)

Oh, Manny Pacquiao. Right. Is.

Kalila Holt (62:47)

Was, you know, the Philippines. Once elected. He's. He's already in office, but. But he's not the president. But there was once when the Philippines elected a guy named Arab Estrada. And I think this is probably where my dreams, like, started happening for politics. He is a action star. He was like the equivalent of not even Arnold. He was the equivalent of like maybe a lesser Steven Seagal in the Philippines. I don't think he even passed elementary school. But he was the president for a while because he was an action style are.

Esther Povitsky (63:20)

I mean, we did that here, I guess.

Kalila Holt (63:22)

Yeah, we did that here too. But that's when I was just like, oh, that's. I got this Spencer Pratt thing where I'm like, oh, I can do this

Esther Povitsky (63:28)

or anyone can do it.

Peter Kim (63:29)

Yeah.

Esther Povitsky (63:29)

I just can't have Spencer Pratt being the head of the lapd.

Peter Kim (63:33)

Right.

Esther Povitsky (63:34)

It's just too scary. For me.

Kalila Holt (63:35)

Well, he's also too blonde. It scares me.

Peter Kim (63:37)

Blonde men are really scary. Yes. Say that. That. That's what this all comes down to. Blonde men cannot be in positions of power.

Kalila Holt (63:45)

Not in la.

Esther Povitsky (63:46)

Wait, how are you an adult man and blonde?

Peter Kim (63:48)

Yeah, like, that's.

Esther Povitsky (63:49)

That's.

Peter Kim (63:49)

Wait, you're right.

Esther Povitsky (63:50)

Grow your hair out.

Peter Kim (63:52)

Like something weird is going on.

Esther Povitsky (63:54)

Yes. Don't blondes turn, like.

Peter Kim (63:57)

Yes.

Esther Povitsky (63:57)

Like, brownish?

Kalila Holt (63:58)

Always.

Peter Kim (63:59)

I think so.

Esther Povitsky (64:01)

Unless you're, like, Norwegian, I guess.

Peter Kim (64:03)

Is he dyeing his hair? Is he bleaching his hair?

Kalila Holt (64:05)

I don't know.

Esther Povitsky (64:06)

He's got to be bleaching his hair.

Peter Kim (64:08)

Anyways, we have to wrap it up, which is a really weird note to end on, but this has been a true treat, especially for. For this. This old sack of potatoes over here. Peter, thank you so much. Wait, your. Your new special is out on YouTube.

Esther Povitsky (64:23)

Yes, it is. Check it out. It's called Rice Piglets.

Peter Kim (64:26)

Of course it is. Obviously. And are you on tour? Anything else we can promote to find you whatever?

Esther Povitsky (64:33)

Well, if you're in the LA area, I have a weekly show at Night on Earth. It's a lounge at. In Studio City. So come on on by. It's free every Sunday. Music and comedy.

Peter Kim (64:44)

Oh, my gosh. Fun.

Esther Povitsky (64:44)

Yeah, come by anytime. We'd love to have you guys.

Kalila Holt (64:47)

Okay, so her name right now is Bella. I just got her two days ago. She's two years old. As you can see, she slept throughout the whole podcast.

Peter Kim (64:55)

So pretty and gentle.

Kalila Holt (64:57)

She's very gentle with my toddler. She's very gentle with all the dogs. She's super sweet. So if you are looking for a perfect little baby, please let me know. And because she is up for adoption,

Peter Kim (65:09)

what do you think? She. She is.

Kalila Holt (65:10)

She looks like half doxy, half golden. No, golden. No. She's like, half. But look at her underbite. Have you seen it?

Peter Kim (65:19)

It's so cute.

Esther Povitsky (65:20)

Oh, my God.

Peter Kim (65:21)

She looks. She is. I wanna. I wanna cuddle her. I know. Isn't she so cute?

Kalila Holt (65:25)

No, she's half. She looks like she's half doxy, half spaniel. Right? Because of her ear. Oh, yeah, but she's like a little lowrider.

Peter Kim (65:33)

She's small.

Kalila Holt (65:34)

She's small, but she's two years old. She's. She's a perfect little thing. She is in search for her perfect home.

Peter Kim (65:40)

What if someone wants her? What do they do?

Kalila Holt (65:42)

Hit up the show. No, I. You know, hit me up. Hit me up. If you're serious about adopting her, hit me up. She'll be in my care. Yeah. DM me.

Peter Kim (65:50)

Yay. Okay, we'll see you next week with a brand new episode. Bye, guys.

Esther Povitsky (65:53)

Bye,

Peter Kim (66:01)

Sa.