Gilbert Galon and Peter Kim NEED Media Training

Summary

Trash Tuesday – Episode Summary

Podcast: Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn

Episode: Gilbert Galon and Peter Kim NEED Media Training
Release Date: February 24, 2026
Guests: Gilbert Galon, Peter Kim

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Overview

This episode of Trash Tuesday brings a fun and candid panel with hosts Khalyla Kuhn and Esther Povitsky, joined by comedians Gilbert Galon and Peter Kim, for a deep-dive into Asian identity, industry politics, personal anecdotes, and messy, hilarious “media untrained” banter. The theme loosely revolves around feeling on the outside of elite (and exclusionary) Asian-American spaces like Gold House/Gold Gala, while reflecting on authenticity, community, and surviving the entertainment industry as self-described “gutter rats.” The conversation winds through topics ranging from boyhood wrestling, the lingering trauma of growing up “different,” toxic industry circles, Epstein files, conspiracies, and which celebrities would be "invited to Gold House." The episode balances comic takes on pop culture nostalgia and genuine vulnerability about trauma, identity, and belonging.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Getting Left Out – The Gold House Discourse

• Gold House & Gold Gala: Repeatedly returns to the panel’s exclusion from high-profile Asian-American circles/events.
  • Media Elite Divide: Panel feels blacklisted for being too “trashy”, authentic, or not corporatized enough.
  • Gilbert: “We are fucking gutter rats to them.” (10:01)
  • Peter: “Maybe Bobby doesn't have much to offer the Gold Gala.” (10:17)
  • Khalyla: “We were the pioneers in… podcasting… our whole cast was Asian. For the love of God, please put some respect on our name.” (12:14)
• Clubs Within Clubs: Explaining Gold House as “the Asian mafia,” membership based on clout more than true community uplift.
  • Gilbert: "If you're an Asian, you're doing well, come on over." (11:27)

2. Entertainment Industry Survival

• Feast or Famine: Discussing the emotional rollercoaster of entertainment careers.
  • Peter: “It throws you for a loop… one of the worst [years] I’ve ever had.” (06:34)
  • Advice: “Stick around… stand in the rain.” — quoting Joan Rivers via Bobby Lee. (08:14)
  • Gilbert: “We didn’t get paid for a couple of years. He was a Lyft driver.” (08:31)

3. Identity, Authenticity, and Community

• Astrology & Luck: Panel swaps Lunar New Year zodiac forecasts (earth snake, wood rat, water dog), threading humor through superstition and the desire for a “good year.” (05:29-06:29)
• Not Fitting In: Comic reflection on why some Asian-Americans “don’t get through the velvet rope.”
  • Khalyla: “We don’t get invited. We’re gutter rats.” (10:01)
  • Peter: "We all live in the same swamp." (10:17)

4. Celebrities on a Pedestal – The Limits of Devotion

• Would You Defend a Fallen Idol? Who are their un-cancellable Asian icons?
  • Bobby Lee, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan all considered (19:13, 23:46).
  • Panel reluctant: No one is above accountability—Epstein files/Obama tangent to illustrate.
  • Khalyla: “If Barack Obama, my president, was on there, he’s done.” (21:31)
• Wary of Cults: Peter jokes that’s why Gold House won’t have him—“I ask too many questions.” (21:52)

5. The Epstein Files & Misinformation

• Reacting to Recent Revelations: Discussion on shock and numbness at names implicated in the Epstein docs, e.g., Peter Attia.
  • Khalyla: “It’s really hard for me to hear anything they have to say anymore [if linked to Epstein].” (29:14)
  • Peter: “The thing that haunts me... basically, QAnon was right.” (29:40)
  • Cynicism about Consequences: Panel agrees there will be no real fallout; it’s all distractions, “genius work” from a dark level. (67:43)

6. Pop Culture: White/Good Witches, Nostalgia, and Y2K TV

• White Witches vs. Dark Witches: Panel debates which celebs are “good witches” (use power for good) or “dark witches” (bad/evil power).
  • Good Witches: Billie Eilish, Diane Keaton, Catherine O’Hara, Margaret Cho, Sandra Oh, Mr. Rogers (59:45–66:09)
  • Bad Witches: Gilbert controversially suggests Beyonce, Peter says billionaires cannot be true white witches (61:54)
  • No Gay White Witches: The panel jokes they can’t think of any openly gay “white witches.” (64:54–67:14)
• VH1/MTV Nostalgia: Shared reverence for 90s/2000s reality TV (Flavor Flav, Rock of Love, Tila Tequila), and the cultural shifts since those times. (58:47–60:10)
• Iconic TV Moments: Re-watching William Hung’s American Idol audition, and how attitudes toward Asian faces and “outsiders” have shifted (73:36–75:40).

7. Shame, Trauma & Authenticity

• Kalila’s Tagger Story: Moving tale about being rumored a “face queen” in high school, coping by adopting a tagger name “Licks,” refusing to let shame rule her life. (34:24–35:43)
• Childhood and Sexual Abuse: Khalyla shares—“I was a child who was sexually molested… I don’t think that any child should ever have to… kids should be kids.” (30:51)
• Boys and Physical Intimacy: Hilarious and vulnerable recounting of how boys express affection via wrestling, because open intimacy/touch is repressed.
  • Peter: “It’s men showing each other affection without the words… so there’s no way it could be interpreted as gay.” (46:53)
  • Peter’s boner story in church jiu-jitsu matches. (48:24–49:21)
• Locker Room Dread: Gilbert and Peter recall insecurity and trauma from being overweight or closeted—how that impacted locker room experiences. (53:04–54:33)
• Gay Rage & Toxic Power: Khalyla and Peter discuss how closeted gay men in power can become cruel—“That’s gay rage… those people run the world.” (56:16–57:17)

8. Industry Tea: Queer Eye Drama & Media Training

• Queer Eye Cast Beef: Quick breakdown of Karamo vs. the rest of the cast, and why PR/“media training” feels so fake to the Trash Tuesday squad.
  • Peter: “Being in Hollywood for 10 years is media training… I can't stand it when I see it… that's why I don't get invited to Gold House.” (64:08–64:21)
• Why Authenticity Wins: Agreement that realness (and refusal to be “media trained”) is what sets them—and Tiger Belly—apart. (64:21–64:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We are fucking gutter rats to them.” — Khalyla on not being invited to Gold House (10:01)
• “You just gotta stand in the rain.” — Joan Rivers via Bobby Lee, on surviving Hollywood (08:18)
• “I'm a water dog, not a gutter rat!” — Gilbert, on zodiacs and self-identification (10:15)
• “If Barack Obama, my president, was on [the Epstein list], he’s done.” — Khalyla (21:31)
• “I think those [closeted gay men in power] are the most dangerous people in the world… They run the world.” — Peter (56:21)
• “It’s men showing each other affection… so there’s no way it could be interpreted as gay.” — Peter (46:53)
• “I was a child who was sexually molested. I don't think that any child should ever have to… you know, kids should be kids.” — Khalyla (30:51)
• “Being in Hollywood for 10 years is media training… that's why I don't get invited to Gold House.” — Peter (64:08)
• “Who would you ride for, till hell or high water?”
  “Mr. Rogers.” — Panel agrees on the only truly “white witch” (66:12)

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Section Timestamps

• [02:02] Allergies, plants in Gilbert’s house, jokes about ghosts/cats (house drama, lunar new year)
• [05:11] LNY zodiacs, Asian astrology, 2026 “trust your intuition”
• [06:34] Show business highs and lows, “stand in the rain”
• [10:01] Gold House snub, “gutter rats” and club explanations
• [12:14] Pioneering Asian podcasts – “please put some respect on our name”
• [17:04] Asian idol debate – who would you defend no matter what? (“ride or die”)
• [27:53] Epstein files – outrage, victimization, and numbness, “QAnon was right”
• [34:24] Kalila’s “face queen/tagger” story, reclaiming shame
• [46:14] Why men wrestle—physical affection and toxic masculinity
• [48:24] Peter’s wrestling boner anecdote, relating physical play to sexual identity
• [53:04] Locker room trauma, body image, and hiding
• [56:16] “Gay rage” and abusive closeted men in relationships
• [59:45] Good vs. bad witches (celebrity metaphors), Billie Eilish, Mr. Rogers
• [64:08] Queer Eye beef, dissing media training and PR speak
• [73:36] William Hung, pop culture cringe, changes in how TV treats outsiders
• [75:00] Laughing at “outsider” Asian faces; shifts in representation
• [76:06] American Idol/Clay Aiken chat, nostalgia and closing goodbyes

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Closing Thoughts

The episode is peak Trash Tuesday: freewheeling, irreverent, and self-aware, bouncing between sharp industry commentary, confessional storytelling, and degrading-celeb-witch-hunt metacommentary. The hosts and guests roast their own outsider status while spotlighting genuine wounds from childhood, representation, and the cutthroat side of showbiz. Ultimately, the conversation lands on a call for honesty, camaraderie, and mutual support—both inside and outside the “Gold House.”

Transcript

[Gilbert]

Culture has changed. You don't see shows like this where the judges are this disrespectful to people.

[Kalila]

But he made a whole career from it, right? Like he did.

[Gilbert]

He did great. He's a motivational coach now. I think he's really amazing.

[Esther]

Yeah, good for him.

[Peter Kim]

I was just thinking because his voice isn't like terrible.

[Kalila]

It's not.

[Peter Kim]

It was more his face, right?

[Gilbert]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Kalila]

That's a really hot take, Peter, that

[Gilbert]

they're laughing at, that they doubled down. He had a Asian face. That was laughable. Take me to Gold House.

[Esther]

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[Peter Kim]

So.

[Esther]

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[Kalila]

thank you so much for supporting my small ocean baby company. I love you guys.

[Esther]

Go protect your hair.

[Peter Kim]

Hey, slugs, it's me, Peter Kim. Thanks for watching Trash Tuesday. As always. My comedy special is coming out on March 6th on YouTube. So like and subscribe. There's already trailer out, so go check it out. Enjoy the app. Wow.

[Kalila]

Don't touch me with your fake allergies. What's really a cold?

[Peter Kim]

Wait, I have allergies. Too high?

[Gilbert]

No, I'm actually a lot better. I think my house is molded.

[Peter Kim]

Molded?

[Gilbert]

I wake up every morning crying and I hear you crying. Why?

[Peter Kim]

Because of the allergies.

[Gilbert]

Got the vents and I cleaned out our couch because we thought we our guy, we were having a tenant as had cats or like had friends with cats. But I think I'm allergic To house plants.

[Peter Kim]

Shut up. What do you have? That's not a thing.

[Kalila]

Cause spider plants clean the air. They don't cause allergies.

[Peter Kim]

Plants don't have.

[Gilbert]

First of all, let's not just throw around spider plants. Like we all know what that is.

[Kalila]

Yeah, it is.

[Peter Kim]

It's a common.

[Kalila]

There's Tolstoys, there's spiders.

[Peter Kim]

I know what a spider plants are. Why spider plants?

[Kalila]

Why spider plant is. They're air purifiers.

[Gilbert]

No, there's a giant plant in the corner that's dying. So I think it's that.

[Esther]

That's a fig.

[Peter Kim]

I don't know. You know, I propagate fiddle leaf figs.

[Gilbert]

What does that mean?

[Kalila]

You know what a fiddle leaf fig is?

[Gilbert]

I don't know. Houseplants. I go home crying. I sleep crying.

[Peter Kim]

It's not houseplants. Don't blame housepl. It's probably the cats or the mole.

[Gilbert]

Because I drove my car open my windows. Fine. Like I can feel everything not being inflamed.

[Peter Kim]

You have sinus infection. That's what I have.

[Gilbert]

No, but I don't have. Unless I'm in the house. House. Or around cats. Cats are the thing. But we don't have cats.

[Peter Kim]

Have you considered ghosts?

[Kalila]

Oh, ghost is a real consideration.

[Gilbert]

Who's haunting me?

[Kalila]

Not even haunting.

[Gilbert]

It might be the house.

[Esther]

There's someone.

[Kalila]

There's a ghost.

[Gilbert]

Is a brand new unit. Guys, there's no ghost.

[Peter Kim]

It's a new build.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, it's where the first ones.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, you. I think there's probably bodies on the road.

[Kalila]

Definitely built on a real site, right?

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Is it on stolen land?

[Kalila]

Stolen land?

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Billie. Eilish.

[Peter Kim]

Or the billionaires dump their kids. Sorry.

[Kalila]

We tried to not go Epstein in the first 10 minutes.

[Peter Kim]

We're going. 10 minutes. We're doing Gold gala.

[Kalila]

Gold gala.

[Gilbert]

Talking about the gold Gal soon. Or any of us invited. No, wait.

[Kalila]

Hang on one second. I thought you would have that in your calendar.

[Peter Kim]

Bolded in the Gold Gala in red.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, to like murder everyone that runs.

[Peter Kim]

No, like Chinese New Year. Asian.

[Gilbert]

I don't do Lunar New Year.

[Peter Kim]

You don't?

[Gilbert]

I don't think Filipinos do.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, okay, I'll tell you.

[Kalila]

Yesterday. Yesterday was the first day of spring.

[Gilbert]

I think it's the house. One second, one second.

[Kalila]

Go. Answer. Answer the phone.

[Peter Kim]

Who is it?

[Kalila]

His wife. He has to answer.

[Gilbert]

Cindy, what are the plants in the corner of the house? Is that a spider? Fiddly fig.

[Kalila]

No, it's one or the other.

[Gilbert]

I'm on a plant show. It's A plant based comedy show.

[Kalila]

Okay. One way of. It's not a spider fig. I don't know what that is. It's called a fiddle leaf.

[Gilbert]

Told you. It's a fiddle leaf.

[Peter Kim]

That's where I propagate that.

[Gilbert]

I'm here with Peter Kim and Kila K. I was telling them that's what's getting me sick every day.

[Kalila]

A fiddly fig is.

[Peter Kim]

Fiddly fig is. There's no pollen.

[Kalila]

It's just cuz they. The. We haven't put new soil in that plant in a while. So I think something in the soil is bothering you. Oh, it's a probably.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, it's mold.

[Peter Kim]

Some kind of rock.

[Gilbert]

That's great. Okay. I love you. I love you. Happy New Year.

[Kalila]

I followed the whole first day of spring in the lunar new year yesterday. I didn't sweep, I didn't clean. I was nice to people because they say like the first day of spring is going to be the snapshot for the rest of your year. So anyways, you guys are. Because how you behaved yesterday is a snapshot for the rest of your year.

[Peter Kim]

I was. I was spiraling yesterday.

[Gilbert]

What happened?

[Peter Kim]

I did not clean a thing. I made a mess.

[Kalila]

That's good cleaning. Not cleaning is good because you don't want to sweep out good opportunities.

[Gilbert]

Oh really?

[Peter Kim]

Okay.

[Gilbert]

Shooting clinks. I clean every night.

[Peter Kim]

That's not a good year for you.

[Gilbert]

Are you sure about that?

[Esther]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Gilbert]

Because I went to an Asian event and they told me my zodiac.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, let's hear it.

[Gilbert]

I'm an earth snake. Didn't know that. Trust that 2026 has its own agenda and timeline for you. And trust in yourself. You have positive investment luck. And in business you will attract positive and beneficial long term tips which may come through an unusual source. OnlyFans. A wonderful year for romance and getting support for your ideas. In terms of benefactors, even angel investors who trust your intuition and vision. Do you guys know what your zodiac

[Kalila]

situation for me it's pretty good. I'm in a class year because I'm a wood rat.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, you're gonna have a tough.

[Gilbert]

You mean a hood rat?

[Kalila]

Yeah, that's. It's. It's honestly so precise. But it's not tough, it's just challenging and it will force you to move forward.

[Gilbert]

You're gonna grow.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I'm. I'm a good swimmer, baby. I don't sink.

[Peter Kim]

You're gonna have a clashier. You said you're gonna have a boon this year of investors.

[Kalila]

What is it?

[Gilbert]

What Is yours. What are you?

[Peter Kim]

I'm a water dog. And apparently it's gonna be time to go, like, up up.

[Gilbert]

Oh, this is a good year for you.

[Peter Kim]

Last year was a really bad year for me. Like, real bad.

[Gilbert]

Hey.

[Peter Kim]

One of the worst I've ever had.

[Kalila]

Do you want to talk about.

[Peter Kim]

It was tough the whole year, work wise. My psyche, mental, emotional, everything was just down the drain to 20, 25. And I was waiting for it to be over.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. But it feels. It feels way better now. It feels like things are going up.

[Kalila]

It's so scary because, like, I've. Obviously, I'm not in your industry in the same adjacent, like, way. I'm, like, right next to it as an observer. Public observer.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

And it is so feast or famine and scary for me to, like, when I see just, like, really talented people like you who clearly have it all. Or even when I saw Bobby, like, who to me, had it all. But the feast and famine of the up down is just such. Such an emotional thing.

[Peter Kim]

I. Yeah. It throws you for a loop. I thought I had gone through it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

You know, and it turns out I hadn't. And I. It.

[Gilbert]

You mean in the past you've gone through it?

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Okay.

[Peter Kim]

Like, after Steve, I don't know if you felt like this showcase there was like, oh, okay, we're going on auditions, we're booking some stuff, blah, blah. And then there was like, a dive.

[Gilbert]

And I was like, I don't care.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. Everyone's like, we've seen you. Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Next Asia. Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. And then it kind of went back up and then took, like, a huge dive with pandemic and multiple strikes.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

It's just been an A.I. like, oh, my God, it just feels, like, insurmountable. But everyone said when I moved to la, I think you said this too.

[Gilbert]

Like, I'm the one that, like, it really was like, brother, you got to come out.

[Peter Kim]

You got to come out here. There's so much work. We're all getting rich. And everyone said this to me when I moved to L. A. Was just stick around.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Just hold on and stick around and you'll work.

[Kalila]

Bobby's favorite, really good advice. It's actually Joan Reverse. He said, like, you just got to stand in the rain.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Like, if you don't stand in the

[Peter Kim]

rain, that'd be a glutton for punishment.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Yeah. Did we not stand in the rain for Tiger Belly for the first three years?

[Kalila]

Oh, yeah. We didn't get paid for a couple of years. He was a Lyft Driver.

[Gilbert]

I was a lift driver.

[Peter Kim]

I remember that.

[Gilbert]

Well, Bobby kept buying golden goose in front of my face shaking for not eating.

[Kalila]

Oh, those are my fit.

[Peter Kim]

And he wasn't here, you guys.

[Gilbert]

No, he didn't make money.

[Kalila]

He didn't make money. Wait, Bobby was here's.

[Peter Kim]

You didn't have ads on tiger belly.

[Kalila]

Oh my God. I just want to say this. Like when I put up a 2016 post and I was like, 2016, I had zero money, blah blah blah. Some guy was like, you were with a millionaire, Gilbert? What kind of millionaire was Bobby at that time? Not a millionaire.

[Gilbert]

Someone that just does not to pay taxes. So there's probably like eight years of back taxes.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. Okay, so like.

[Kalila]

But also like we were living in a two bedroom apartment. Like there was nothing fancy about our life. We only flew coach. Like there was nothing. We had one car. We are a one car. Family was a beat up Prius.

[Gilbert]

I remember that.

[Kalila]

Like there were times where he would play a weekend and barely just.

[Peter Kim]

I always thought he just lived small.

[Kalila]

No, I just.

[Esther]

He.

[Gilbert]

Bobby, I don't think is also good. He doesn't know how to be rich too. That's a separate conversation.

[Kalila]

He does now.

[Gilbert]

He does, but also doesn't.

[Peter Kim]

You know what I mean?

[Gilbert]

Like.

[Kalila]

Well, this goes back to the Gold Gala conversation. Let's talk about.

[Peter Kim]

Let's talk about Gold Gala. Why isn't he being invited?

[Gilbert]

I think he does every year. He doesn't open his email.

[Peter Kim]

He gets invited every year, but he doesn't open his email.

[Gilbert]

So I go to his reps. I got him last time because I. I told someone, you're in with them. I'm not in with them. I will. It feels I'm in with them.

[Peter Kim]

You're in with them.

[Kalila]

No, he's not.

[Gilbert]

Because he hasn't quite either stopped hate.

[Kalila]

We talk about this all the time. There's a reason why you, you, me will never be invited. We are fucking gutter rats to them.

[Peter Kim]

Well, it's also that I agree with that. I agree with that.

[Gilbert]

I'm a water dog, not a gutter rat.

[Peter Kim]

We all live in the same swamp. I feel like you, me, Kalila, maybe Bobby doesn't have much to offer the Gold Gala.

[Kalila]

We don't say that.

[Peter Kim]

No shade.

[Gilbert]

I mean that's how.

[Peter Kim]

That's how it works.

[Gilbert]

It is sponsored by Lexus. So what am I gonna give? What am I gonna give?

[Peter Kim]

Gold G. Is. Is that what it's called?

[Gilbert]

Gold House.

[Peter Kim]

Gold House.

[Kalila]

Can we explain to the audience?

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, you guys keep.

[Gilbert]

They're pointing to me, with this group of people you're inside, trying to get in.

[Kalila]

You're fancy, Asian adjacent. Closer to them than us.

[Gilbert]

I'm wearing shoes from Aldo.

[Peter Kim]

If they had a secret island. You got invited, dude.

[Gilbert]

I hope so.

[Peter Kim]

I know you do. So, like, so golden. Okay.

[Gilbert]

How do I get in Gold House? From my understanding is. Sorry, Gold House is a. Is this. You know what's so crazy? I keep saying this on camera. I actually don't know what it is.

[Peter Kim]

What do you mean? Don't be all, uh, about.

[Gilbert]

It's an Asian collective.

[Peter Kim]

It's the Asian mafia.

[Gilbert]

I've heard there's rumors that it's a little corporatized. That's all I know about.

[Peter Kim]

What does that mean?

[Gilbert]

They're a group that's supposed to lift up Asian voices phrase.

[Peter Kim]

But now they're corporatized, so they just take profits.

[Gilbert]

I think it's like, hey, if you're an Asian, you're doing well. Come on over.

[Peter Kim]

Join the club.

[Gilbert]

Join the club.

[Peter Kim]

Okay. It's like a Soho.

[Gilbert]

So if you're a small indie film, you're struggling out there, but you got big actors. But that ain't getting in the Sundance. Yeah, don't show up.

[Kalila]

Don't show up.

[Peter Kim]

Okay. That was for me. I get that you're number seven on a call list for a minus three million dollar movie. Don't. Don't bother coming.

[Gilbert]

Hey, you were great in that one movie, though, where you played a straight man.

[Peter Kim]

Which one?

[Gilbert]

Cindy's movie.

[Peter Kim]

Cindy's movie.

[Gilbert]

Very good. We should see the other one.

[Peter Kim]

The one I'm talking about, the actual Asian one.

[Gilbert]

No, this is what I'm getting.

[Peter Kim]

And he's screaming about, stop. Asian hate. That's crazy. That's crazy. You know, this goes both ways. Goldhouse.

[Kalila]

Yeah, dude, Look, I just want to say Gold House. Here's what I'm going to look part of the podcast.

[Peter Kim]

This is an Asian podcast. I don't know if you know this.

[Kalila]

Gold House, to you, I say we were the pioneers in. Not only just in podcasting in general, but we were the. Our whole cast was Asian.

[Esther]

True.

[Kalila]

For the love of God. For the love of God, please put some respect on our name.

[Peter Kim]

Hello.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I have a nice dress at home. I can show up pretty. My face is a little crooked.

[Peter Kim]

Do you have a nice dress?

[Kalila]

I wore it at your wedding. Was I not extremely hot?

[Gilbert]

I was at the wedding. That was. That was intense what you did.

[Kalila]

I know I was.

[Gilbert]

You can't dress like that in front of old Asian people.

[Kalila]

Here's the thing about these motherfuckers, Gilbert and all of them is that they see me in my like, just worst all the time. And so when I do clean up, they are like shocked that I'm a hot chick.

[Gilbert]

Can you please pull up Bobby Lee Kalila UFC video game? I want to show you how.

[Esther]

Ew.

[Kalila]

Can we not?

[Gilbert]

Can we? Yes.

[Kalila]

Actually, don't do that.

[Gilbert]

Can we?

[Esther]

Yes.

[Kalila]

Dude, this was my cheugy years. I had orange.

[Gilbert]

That's how I knew Kyla. I actually didn't like, I was like, I had so much judgment. I like you like this.

[Peter Kim]

Wait, were you like abga?

[Kalila]

I was abg cross eyed with orange hair and Ben fake tits.

[Gilbert]

But you would never expect her to be like, that's Kalila. Like, that's how should we or nah, we should.

[Kalila]

You can, but she doesn't. I want it only if I get to kick you in the dick after.

[Gilbert]

I'll give you one strong leg kick.

[Peter Kim]

All right.

[Gilbert]

This is worth it.

[Kalila]

Oh, look at my orange hair. No bad dye job.

[Gilbert]

Is the hair. That's what it was, the hair.

[Peter Kim]

The makeup's different.

[Gilbert]

Your teeth are still very white.

[Peter Kim]

Very white.

[Kalila]

You. She, she eyebrows are different. I didn't know how to do my makeup that bad.

[Peter Kim]

That's you Exactly.

[Gilbert]

That's what I'm saying. It's so different. I think it's the hair.

[Kalila]

Would you say it's the someone is

[Peter Kim]

commenting on my face.

[Kalila]

It's like, duh.

[Peter Kim]

I think her maybe Gold house. Don't invite.

[Gilbert]

I would say gold house now invite.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, right, they're back to like the Tila Tequila look.

[Gilbert]

Yes.

[Peter Kim]

Okay.

[Kalila]

This isn't look at me now.

[Peter Kim]

No, this is, this is good.

[Gilbert]

Not Tila Tequila look.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, okay, I see. So but this look Goldhouse.

[Gilbert]

Let's just like connect it very. To Tila Tequila.

[Kalila]

You know what happens at Tila Tequila?

[Peter Kim]

She went maga full.

[Gilbert]

Yeah. No way. Really?

[Peter Kim]

Like, she was Nikki before Nikki.

[Esther]

Yeah, she was Nikki before Nikki.

[Kalila]

She's really just unwell. You can tell this is not. You can always tell, like how someone. You can gauge someone's mental health based on unfortunately the politics. And if they start to like verge on like conspiracy theory stuff.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, and no one's around her to like say stop.

[Kalila]

No one's around her. Because it's really hard to like intervene

[Peter Kim]

when something like that, like Kanye Nikki, like, they don't have people that like, like actually stop them.

[Kalila]

I want to ask you guys how you feel about Kanye's letter.

[Gilbert]

I'm not even well written. What's the letter really?

[Peter Kim]

As a writer, I was like, I thought so too.

[Gilbert]

Great 5 point structure.

[Peter Kim]

Whichever version of ChatGPT wrote that, I said, wait, you're getting better.

[Gilbert]

I'm not in pop culture.

[Kalila]

Basically, Kanye writes this long thing about explaining how when he got into a car accident in his early 20s, he suffered a TBI. And along with his TBI and what's TBI? A traumatic brain injury. Along with that and his diagnosis of bipolar one, he's basically explaining his anti Semitism, his just weird paranoia, treating his family the way he has been in the last couple years because he is unwell. He has both a brain injury and a mental health, you know, struggle. And so he's like, sorry for being an anti Semite. Sorry my B. Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

But he also said thank you to a black community for holding me down when I was acting fucking nuts. I was like, that's so true though. Like there are people who just won't leave him.

[Kalila]

But also like there's this one scene in that, that leaked like documentary where Kim was like, I don't know like who you are. And she's like crying and she's like, you're not, you weren't like this years ago. And that's where I'm like, oh, I really believe that like he, this, this, the bipolar just like took over and like I'm sure.

[Peter Kim]

Or you guys see the Andrew Schultz stuff?

[Gilbert]

No.

[Peter Kim]

Can we talk about it?

[Kalila]

Yeah, we can, right?

[Peter Kim]

Like did you see this Andrew shots? He came out and said, well, I guess the left was right.

[Gilbert]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a clip he told his

[Peter Kim]

bros like oh, I guess we were the dummies. And I was like, it really hurts to be like gaslit the entire time and then be like, you know what? Sorry. And it's like, God, I, I should give you the space to be sorry. But can I just slap you once? Like can I just fucking.

[Gilbert]

Can I Will Smith ya.

[Peter Kim]

Just once. There needs to be some accountability for

[Gilbert]

a second at least something.

[Peter Kim]

I went to violence because I kind

[Gilbert]

of hold it to him. And he, they were doing some jiu jitsu with trying to hold accountability early on.

[Kalila]

I think that what people. And maybe this isn't enough. You can never really please like, you know, people who are that upset with you. But I think it's like, hey, I understand my part in this and really propelling this administration forward.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

And I up and oh my God, like can how like I'll do.

[Peter Kim]

I highlight some other things that I was ignorant to before. Like there's at least a little. One more step beyond, like, whoa, was I a dick? Like, that's not enough.

[Gilbert]

What did Charlemagne say? Or was this on flagrant or on brilliant Idiots. What was his take Response Response?

[Peter Kim]

Or like, yeah, I didn't watch Charlamagne's. I honestly can't watch Charlemagne. I find him so stupid. That lisp.

[Gilbert]

I'm like, lucky Charlemagne.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, I know, I know. You want to get into that bowl gala.

[Gilbert]

Would love to come.

[Peter Kim]

This is why Gold Gala doesn't invite me, because I. I talk shit.

[Gilbert]

Would love some dumplings that are very expensive. Caviar on it.

[Peter Kim]

Speaking of gold, Gallagher, are there, like, Asians that you would stick by? Like, some of the black community sticks by a Kanye in that. Is there an Asian icon that was so important to you?

[Gilbert]

We still here with Bobby Lee. We still here with Bobby Lee. I'll ride for Bobby Lee all day, dude.

[Kalila]

Bobby just like, I know him on a molecular level, right? And he really.

[Peter Kim]

How he fucks up, I just know.

[Gilbert]

Like, oh, but she'll hold him to the fire, though. She's not going to be like, oh, yeah.

[Kalila]

I'm not a yes man. I think that I'm actually one of the few people in his life that really, like, stick it to him if he's, like, misbehaving or if he's in the wrong. Like, I don't mind saying, like, that's fudge up. Like, go apologize. You are 100% wrong.

[Peter Kim]

I think you guys misunderstood. I said Asian icon. I. I said someone who Gold House might invite.

[Kalila]

Okay, let's say Bruce Lee. I'm sure he's like your lord and savior.

[Peter Kim]

He got invited to do the opening

[Gilbert]

last time he did get invited. And I talked to some. I was like, I just kind of threw it out of there as a little passive aggressive comment. I'm very good at those. Ask my wife. They were like, we emailed him. He doesn't respond ever. So I asked Bobby to look at his email, and it's there in his spam.

[Kalila]

What a power move, though.

[Gilbert]

Power move or complete ignorance?

[Kalila]

I don't know.

[Gilbert]

Bruce Lee. You were saying Bruce Lee.

[Peter Kim]

If.

[Kalila]

Bruce Lee. If it comes out. Yeah, that, you know, he did some things, some inappropes.

[Gilbert]

What things?

[Kalila]

For me, the biggest crime would always be to, like, you know, hurt young, young people. Boys and girls.

[Gilbert]

He had a grooming situation with boys.

[Esther]

Young boys.

[Gilbert]

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised by that.

[Peter Kim]

Young Chinese boys.

[Kalila]

Oh, no.

[Gilbert]

Can you not say Chinese, by the way? That was insane. Don't touch Me, I'm going to Gold Gal.

[Peter Kim]

He's Chinese. I had to be his own.

[Kalila]

Like, I had to break eye contact. When you said that, I was like,

[Gilbert]

yeah, I know the lunar episode doesn't

[Peter Kim]

make me look good, but, dude, so

[Gilbert]

much you've said doesn't make you look good.

[Peter Kim]

I know I'm a problem.

[Gilbert]

Can I just say something really quick where people don't know our relationship? I look up to Peter a lot. I remember when we did Chicago together, I was, like, grinding out there, trying to get on this thing called Brownco, which is a hilarious name. It's a touring company specifically for people that are not white. And it's, like, a big deal. And I remember this guy came in from, like, SF or something and was crushing the scene. I was like, fuck, I suck. And I just remember looking up to Peter because he was just. Everyone loved him. He was doing all. All the stuff at Second City, and. Yeah, dude, you're just awesome. Just want to put that out there because people are like, why are you so familiar? That's why.

[Peter Kim]

Because we know each other. You just want to explain.

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, we do know each other. And you were the Asian before, you know, before I came onto the scene, so. No, you moved out. He moved out here. That's the truth. And then started stuff with you and Bobby and then left a single vacancy for an Asian to come in and just, like, wreck it.

[Gilbert]

So more back to you being canceled. Okay, so you're saying Bruce Lee, Chinese What?

[Kalila]

Well, it's like, a lot of people, right? Like, if you dig into history, I think that, like, Gandhi had done some inappropriate stuff with, I feel, like, young family members where he would test his sexual restraint by laying next to his young nieces or something like that. And I was like. To see whether or not he would get boners.

[Gilbert]

And I. I mean, it's kind of funny but insane.

[Kalila]

That, to me, is like, oh, who's just like, what? But immediately, as soon as I read that, I was like, oh, fuck him. Like, he's not. But I. Yeah. I'm trying to think of someone who I would just ride for till the dawn. Like, till the end of time.

[Peter Kim]

Do you have anyone Filipino? No, not one.

[Kalila]

I feel like this is what. This is why, like, the whole, like, Epstein files. I don't care how much I adore you.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

If Barack Obama, my president, was on there, he's gonna be like, he's done.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Michelle was on style.

[Kalila]

Done.

[Gilbert]

Really? I hope people get skinny.

[Peter Kim]

I don't know if I have one person That I would write for. I'm like, maybe that's why Gold House hasn't invited me. I'm a flip flop.

[Kalila]

You're not like a cult. A good cult member.

[Peter Kim]

I asked too many questions.

[Kalila]

You ask too many questions and you have no true devotion to. Like, devotion is. You don't have that.

[Peter Kim]

Mr. Gandhi, why do you keep lying

[Gilbert]

down next to your nieces? Shut up, dude. Stop.

[Peter Kim]

Can I lie there? Yeah, I think it's something. Why? Going back to, like, you know, Asians and iconography. Maybe it's. I, I. The gays have this too. Like, we don't give our own people that much credit.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Like, gays will ape over a straight actor that does a gay role, you know, as opposed to give a gay man their flowers.

[Kalila]

Flowers, yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Same with Asians.

[Gilbert]

Is that happening right now with, like, Wicked dude?

[Peter Kim]

Wicked dude. Oh, sure. But more about, like, how people love Hudson Williams.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Because he's straight and he's playing. I see.

[Kalila]

Hudson is straight.

[Peter Kim]

Yes. He has a girlfriend.

[Gilbert]

Told you your gaydar is bad. I'm not gay, dude.

[Peter Kim]

I know. And he's Asian, so I'm like, rah, Rah. Yes, Hudson. But he's also not the gay one. So I'm like, all right, well, why

[Gilbert]

you look so stunned? You look. You're turning pale.

[Peter Kim]

You thought he was. Wait, did you finish?

[Kalila]

Not finish. I finished. I didn't finish the whole episode, but I watched it with my partner and he likes it.

[Gilbert]

Great.

[Kalila]

He's like, oh, my God, those.

[Peter Kim]

It's hot. Oh, my God.

[Kalila]

Ilya's butt.

[Peter Kim]

The ass.

[Gilbert]

We get a photo of that butt. I'm not familiar.

[Kalila]

Don't act like you're not familiar.

[Peter Kim]

You watched it?

[Gilbert]

No. We're supposed to start this week. Cindy really wants to binge it.

[Peter Kim]

You're like, six months late. Yeah, okay.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

You got to get into it anyway. Yeah. We don't have. We don't have our, like, we don't give our elders respect enough.

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Do you have someone not. I mean, Bobby.

[Gilbert]

Like, I feel like I.

[Peter Kim]

It can't be Bobby. You're like, actual friend. Like, I'm talking about, like, someone you.

[Gilbert]

Okay.

[Peter Kim]

So looked up to in the movie.

[Gilbert]

Okay. Jackie Chan would be crazy. Yeah, I love Jackie Tan. That's like Uncle Jackie. Like Rumble in the Bronx. That was me.

[Peter Kim]

You don't think you could give up Jackie, huh?

[Gilbert]

That's tough. I mean, like, I'm like Claudia. If something happens, though, I'm like, deuces, dude.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

I can't stand by that. I'm not a Peter Kim. I'm not a Peter, I'm not a Peter Kim. I'm not a Peter Kim.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, that's what you don't do.

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[Peter Kim]

We gotta get into that.

[Gilbert]

I'm actually put to sleep. I haven't read the newer stuff, so I know pieces.

[Peter Kim]

I'm literally on doj.gov backslash Epstein. Jesus. I'm doing keywords. Are you?

[Kalila]

No.

[Peter Kim]

But you're in the actual files though.

[Gilbert]

Good for you.

[Peter Kim]

That's the real in the guts of the file.

[Kalila]

Where are we? So, okay, so who are we most shocked by? The thing that saddened me most was maybe Peter Atia.

[Gilbert]

I never followed him much, but a lot of people were like, what the fuck? Why is he in there?

[Kalila]

What's so great about like lately he's really been. I understand now that he actually didn't finish like his. You know, a lot of people don't think he's like a real, real like practicing doctor. But you know, he, in the last month he went on 60 Minutes and he really championed women. Everything has been failing women. And I was really happy to like send that to my mom and, and tell her like, hey, get back on hormones. And like Peter Atia says. So I was like, I was like, oh my God. Why it was important is because I think Women have been saying it out loud for so long and screaming at the top of our lungs, but it took a man to actually say the same thing we were saying. For people to be like, oh, maybe we have failed women in menopause and later in their lives. So I was like. When I saw Doc Peter and this

[Gilbert]

is recent, like, he's been really like, yeah, podcast champ. Okay.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Oh, the timing is interesting.

[Kalila]

And so.

[Gilbert]

Well, you know, we're all.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, it is very interesting that he came out and is speaking for older women. That's a nice thing. That's a nice change.

[Gilbert]

That is surprising. But I will say this, like. Like, he's also like. I mean, all the stuff he said is still fact. That's science. I feel. You can still.

[Kalila]

Yeah. I just. Now someone has a great PR agent.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I just. You know, when someone is a part of something this dark and demented and disgusting, it's really hard for me to, like, hear anything they have to say anymore. And even though, you know, he claims that he wasn't witness to anything that happened, that he had a very distant relationship with Epstein, it still bothers me.

[Gilbert]

That's a crazy sentence to even say out loud.

[Kalila]

Well, he's. He put out a statement.

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Okay, tell me, tell me, tell me.

[Peter Kim]

The thing that haunts me the most is that basically, QAnon was right.

[Gilbert]

That's the funny thing that's going around. Right. Is like, everyone that said all the craziest is like, oh, God, they want that.

[Peter Kim]

It makes sense, because that's what they seated. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, they knew that this was gonna happen eventually. Like, you can't. The DOJ shifts hands. So, like, someone's gonna look at these files. So when we were like, oh, he's, like, compromised. Blah, blah. Like, this is what they were talking about.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

But it took 10 years to, like, release them, and now it doesn't really matter.

[Kalila]

Right.

[Peter Kim]

Because they own the doj.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

You know, so, like, I feel very, like, oh, wow, what a dumbass bitch I was to be like, pizzagate, you stupid idiots. I went to college. I know. And they were just being fed all the stuff that was actually happening. Yeah. It being, like, conspirator. I mean, it's genius work.

[Gilbert]

It's like, from a macro level of

[Peter Kim]

saying, like, Lucifer work. Like, you're like, the amount of times

[Kalila]

that pizza is brought up, you're like, oh, my gosh.

[Peter Kim]

It's nonsense.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

They have code words for, like, little girl and little boy disgusting.

[Kalila]

But here's like, what makes me the sickest is that I'm reading a lot of this stuff and, like, I'm in tears.

[Esther]

Like, it.

[Kalila]

You know, like, I was a child who was sexually molested. I was assaulted multiple times in my early life. Life. And I don't think that, like, any child should ever have to even. Like, kids should be kids, you know. And so for me, I was like, really in a bad way, like, reading some of this stuff and I'm like, guillotine, guillotine, guillotine.

[Peter Kim]

Like French 75.

[Gilbert]

We're at a crazy time. We're in fallout, dude. We're in fallout right now, dude.

[Peter Kim]

The way they are pressure testing Minnesota. My husband's.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

People where he's from.

[Kalila]

That's a good word. Pressure testing.

[Peter Kim]

They really are. Because they're like, if Minnesota. Because Minnesota has 400, 000 people.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Minneapolis. That's like. That's not a lot of people. That's a small city.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

So to make that big of a hoopla in a small city like that, that feels like they're trying to test America, like middle America, like, will you let this go? Will you let us basically take over?

[Gilbert]

And.

[Peter Kim]

And the answer is no. Vehemently no.

[Gilbert]

You're seeing it, dude, across the board. Look at LA on the Internet. Everyone just know.

[Peter Kim]

Did you guys see the container that they moved downtown? Like, container? They moved the entire shipping container to block off streets to the people. Did. To block off the agents.

[Kalila]

Yeah, well, they tried. It's like people in Inglewood and got driven out like this.

[Gilbert]

Really?

[Peter Kim]

There's guns everywhere down here.

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

It's like, you guys are so stupid. This is very much a blue state, but very heavy on the artillery.

[Gilbert]

So, like, I mean, la, dude. LA come crazy.

[Peter Kim]

I live in east la, so I'm hearing it all the time.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I love east la. My first boyfriends. My cholo boyfriends are all from.

[Gilbert]

Put that photo back up. Boyfriends. Puppet. All like once every year.

[Kalila]

He's a good guy. He still hits me up. He's like, my girl. I bought some eb.

[Gilbert]

How do you use it, though?

[Kalila]

He's like, I want to congratulate you, my girl. You're doing big things, my girl. I'm like, I am you, girl.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Kalila]

I think it's so sweet.

[Gilbert]

Puppet, dude, that name, that's sweet.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, his name was Puppet.

[Kalila]

That's his gangster. That he was.

[Gilbert]

What was yours again?

[Kalila]

Why would you. Why would you do this?

[Gilbert]

Why would you bring me on? People need to know the real you. We need to founder.

[Kalila]

It wasn't like my. It was when I.

[Peter Kim]

This is the trash part of Trash Tuesday.

[Kalila]

So here's a little thing, a tidbit about me. I actually have really pretty penmanship because I grew up in Asia, where it's like, that's drilled in your head. Penmanship is a real thing. I write really good, you know, I'm really good with calligraphy. I'm good with that stuff. So I wanted to be a tagger because I was like, being.

[Gilbert]

I wanted to be a tagger. Don't do it that way.

[Kalila]

I. I wanted to be.

[Peter Kim]

I couldn't be like, I wanna be a tiger. A tiger.

[Esther]

It's my roots.

[Kalila]

Please don't shame me. So I came from the Philippines, and the Filipinos, like, basically shunned me. They were like, her accent's too thick. She's a fob.

[Esther]

She's like, not cool.

[Peter Kim]

They didn't like the fob, but the

[Kalila]

Latino community took me in like a long lost daughter.

[Gilbert]

Right, Right.

[Kalila]

So I. Blanchola, you could pass Latina. Yeah, I'm Latina passing. I dated my cholo boys who love to camp and love Morrissey and love.

[Gilbert]

You dated his boy?

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

You dated Eric and loved, like, they loved, like, oldies and Art LeBeau. And I just, like, really dove in, like, with my whole heart. And I wanted to. Some of them were taggers. And so I was like, I'm gonna come up with my own, like, tiger name.

[Peter Kim]

You should say Taga.

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Kind of crazy.

[Peter Kim]

The hard ar.

[Kalila]

At this time, I was really having a hard time with boys. And a lot of. There was a rumor that had started about me that I was a face queen, that I gave a lot of blow jobs to dudes I had never given blow jobs to. But it, like, caught on like wildfire.

[Esther]

It was. They called me a face Queen.

[Gilbert]

And so you've been in the rumor mill since that long ago.

[Kalila]

Yeah. And it tore me.

[Peter Kim]

I would live to be called a Face queen.

[Gilbert]

God, you see Peter Kim, he's such a face. A face Queen.

[Peter Kim]

He'll suck anything.

[Kalila]

And then this was a time when that song Chicken Head really blew up too. So the lesser, the worst version was Chicken Head. And I would cry every day. I got really depressed. I quit swimming, all of these things. But so I was like, I'm going to be a tagger. But I was like, but, you know, I'm going to lean in to this thing that they're calling me, this face Scream. So my name was Licks with a L I X.

[Gilbert]

I love Lex, dude, thank you. Lex is my favorite.

[Kalila]

Yeah, yeah, I love that. I wrote it really pretty, but that those like, short lived. I was only a tagger for like six months because I did my first tag by a bus stop and I was like, this doesn't feel right.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gilbert]

You were scared.

[Esther]

I was still scared.

[Gilbert]

Did you do it on buildings? I'm so curious about this.

[Kalila]

No, I never got like super big. No, I was at. At my core, I was still a good little Asian girl. Anyways, I was so shameful about it at first, but now you know what? I'm free, Gilbert. So you I'm licking, dude.

[Gilbert]

She changed her handle to Face Queen.

[Peter Kim]

That's gonna be your wait. Yeah, you should put out like music as licks. Yo.

[Gilbert]

Seriously, that's funny. Hey, let's get on that, please.

[Peter Kim]

There is something really funny about someone who's so homebody and like chill being a dj. You know what I mean? Someone who like, does not belong in

[Gilbert]

a scene, but you talking about her?

[Kalila]

Are you calling me out?

[Peter Kim]

What are you a dj?

[Gilbert]

Yeah, she's DJ Cougar.

[Peter Kim]

Wait, are you serious?

[Gilbert]

You're a dj? Look up DJ Cougar. Cougar. No, it's Cougar. When you first told me that DJ Cougar.

[Kalila]

No, I had once she had an

[Gilbert]

accent a long time ago.

[Kalila]

You never had aspirations to become a dj?

[Peter Kim]

Like, okay, right now I'm like, looking into it now.

[Gilbert]

I look like a DJ right now.

[Peter Kim]

Okay, here's the only reason I want to dj. I don't want to be at the party at all. I don't like being surrounded by people.

[Gilbert]

What the. Do you want to do what a DJ does?

[Peter Kim]

No, I know, I know. That's the gig. I don't know anything about me music. My partner's a musician.

[Kalila]

Hold on. You don't know anything about music? You hate parties. Why you want to be a dj?

[Peter Kim]

I want to be a DJ because every time. And this is my, like, maybe a little like, tizziness, little tism. Every time I hear a song, I hear a different song. Oh, and I always sing over that song because I like.

[Gilbert]

You're already remixing it?

[Kalila]

Yeah, you already. You already got it.

[Peter Kim]

Do it in my head.

[Kalila]

You already got the BPMs.

[Peter Kim]

The BPMs are right progression, keywords. So I understand the chord, how your chords are changing. I don't know what chord it is and what's going on, but I know it's changing towards this math. And my brain goes, this song is here. And I know this song. This song And I sing.

[Kalila]

Oh, my God. Then you should.

[Peter Kim]

All the time.

[Kalila]

You still can. I think that you should really explore this.

[Peter Kim]

Eric's always like. Like, there's something wrong. There's something, like, not wrong, but right with you. But this is annoying me. You should dj.

[Esther]

I support this.

[Peter Kim]

I. I do it in the car. And he's like, it's been 10 years. So at first he's like, whoa, cool. And 10 years later, he's like, maybe you should do something with that.

[Gilbert]

Let's not bring it to the car.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, Like, I'm trying to listen to

[Gilbert]

npr, trying to do songs over NPR on the BPM of this.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. Like remixing podcast Ass Tiger Barley X Trash Tuesday.

[Kalila]

That's a real skill, because then I

[Peter Kim]

didn't realize that I've been doing that my whole life.

[Kalila]

Play instruments.

[Gilbert]

Zero.

[Kalila]

Okay, so.

[Peter Kim]

But I saw nothing.

[Kalila]

You would probably be one of those people that doesn't read music, but that can just hear it.

[Gilbert]

Drum line.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, I can. I don't play anything, but I could play piano. Does that make sense?

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Like, if I hear someone playing, I could play. Like, I could find where you are.

[Esther]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kalila]

So you would probably have been a virtuoso if you had.

[Peter Kim]

My mom was right, dude. She kept trying to force me into lessons, and I was like, no, I want to read. And she was right.

[Kalila]

She was right.

[Peter Kim]

I should have kept it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

And you did it for the same reason as you had this weird head thing or you just wanted to be around people parties.

[Kalila]

Yeah. I went through a really cringe Ibiza phase. Like, tell us this.

[Peter Kim]

Ibiza. I've always wanted an Ibiza.

[Gilbert]

Can we get a graphic fix? Cringe Ibiza face.

[Kalila]

This was right around.

[Peter Kim]

What's the cringest thing that happened to you in Ibiza?

[Gilbert]

Just, you know, big football players.

[Kalila]

Not even like that. Okay. So everyone had things that, like, I. I was a broke nursing student when I went to Ibiza. I was dating a football player in Spain.

[Gilbert]

What's crazy? I just said, like, a football.

[Kalila]

Or, like, actually, like, he played, like,

[Gilbert]

in American football, Liga, which is like, playing, like, an NFL or MLB here year. Whoa. Okay.

[Kalila]

So I would go visit Spain.

[Esther]

Oh.

[Kalila]

At that time, he played for a small team called Corunia.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Which is on the north part. So I would go to Karunia a lot.

[Gilbert]

And what year was this phase?

[Kalila]

So this was in, like, 2010, 2011. So this was, like, a really cool.

[Gilbert]

Look up the team for 2010. Pull up the roster.

[Peter Kim]

Spain was, like, national champs at the time. They Were.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

On top of the world.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

You were pulling champs, dog.

[Kalila]

And so I would go to Spain, but I was also a very broke college kid, so my visa experiences were. Were really ratchet. Like, they were. I was thinking, like, for everything. No, this is when I would go. I'd go visit him because we weren't. You know. And then I'd go with my friends because they had a very strict schedule.

[Peter Kim]

Okay.

[Kalila]

And so I would go to Ibiza, and I was like, God, I was made for this. This is when EDM was like, I feel, like, peak, huh?

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

And, yeah, I was just like, maybe. Maybe I can do this. It had nothing to do with actual skill, because by the time I actually did it, I was like, oh, I suck. Oh, really? I have a really good amount of, like, music knowledge. I just could not execute. I was horrible. So I was.

[Peter Kim]

The timing of it.

[Kalila]

Finally, my friend was like, hey, you need to put that down.

[Peter Kim]

That's a good friend.

[Kalila]

And I was like, oh, I think you're right.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

And so I was like, you let it go. Yeah, I let this dream die. I think you just wanted to be a party girl. And that's not a dream.

[Peter Kim]

That is a dream. How dare you. They're a party girl. Charlie XCX made a whole life around being a party girl.

[Kalila]

She actually has, like, a skill.

[Peter Kim]

No, I know, but, like, party girls can spin.

[Gilbert]

That's a thing right now.

[Peter Kim]

Party girls?

[Gilbert]

Yes, girl.

[Peter Kim]

I was a girl. If I was a young girl, I would be on drugs non stop. This world is crazy.

[Gilbert]

You just have someone film it and you're successful. It's crazy.

[Kalila]

How dare you? You think that's all it takes?

[Gilbert]

No, but that's a good starting point.

[Kalila]

No, you know, no judgment.

[Gilbert]

No judgment.

[Kalila]

I think. What kind of drugs?

[Peter Kim]

What are they on?

[Kalila]

No. What would you be on if you were a young party girl?

[Peter Kim]

I would have been on Molly, but I'm 44, so this is not a Molly body. Like, this body would, like, convulse on.

[Gilbert]

But that's so sick, dude.

[Peter Kim]

Why? Just being old.

[Gilbert]

And I'm that DJ sick dude. I appreciate all of you with that face.

[Peter Kim]

I'd be like,

[Gilbert]

just so old house. You got to have this guy.

[Peter Kim]

Dude, Gold house. I'll be DJ Molly. I'll be on full meth. If you invite me, I'll come over and you could use me as an article of what not to do, how

[Kalila]

not to Asian in America, how not

[Peter Kim]

to shame us and your ancestry.

[Esther]

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[Kalila]

this is something that I'm sure we've all observed growing up with with men and boys in our lives. But why do you guys always, no matter where you are, no matter what function, even let's say the Gold Gala. There's always going to be a corner of the Gold Gala where boys are just wrestling. But why wouldn't you guys hang out?

[Peter Kim]

So true.

[Kalila]

Are people always like wrestling? Why do boys always wrestle each other in a borderline like homoerotic way?

[Gilbert]

I mean our reason is going to be very different.

[Peter Kim]

I think it might be the same actually.

[Gilbert]

Go for it. Yeah, I think it's a way of whatever the repression of touch, which I didn't have because my dad was very physical with me. I think it's a way of being like, hey dude, I love you. Yeah. So it's like for an example, Nick, they're also martial artists too. When you say hi, it's not even a dap up with us. It's like immediately get into an Underhook. And then it turns into a hug, and we go like, good to see you, man. So it's always, like a way to, like, engage in physical contact to show affection, you think?

[Peter Kim]

It's the same exact thing. It's men showing each other affection without the words. Well, yeah, physically, but without the. Like with the. A prescribed structure so that there's no way it could be interpreted as gay.

[Kalila]

But that makes that. It's that part that makes me sad because to me.

[Peter Kim]

But in Korea, boys, like, touch each other.

[Kalila]

Same in the Philippines. In the Philippines, like, they. Their arm and arm like this walking down the street. And it's not considered like, no one bad. Yeah, it's.

[Gilbert]

But here, India, right? India, they do the pinky thing in

[Kalila]

a lot of places. In Europe, they'll do the kiss, kiss, kiss on the lips, Right.

[Gilbert]

I'll kiss a guy. That's fine.

[Peter Kim]

I grew up. Did you grow up wrestling with your friends?

[Gilbert]

Honestly? Not really.

[Peter Kim]

I grew up in a like 20 guy crew. All Asian, mostly Korean. And all we did is.

[Gilbert]

You're a small guy group at church.

[Peter Kim]

It just was my large group at church.

[Gilbert]

I didn't knew it. Already knew it.

[Peter Kim]

We Brazilian jiu jitsu each other into submission every weekend.

[Gilbert]

That's a little too bro for me.

[Peter Kim]

It was highly toxic. Korean, American, they talking also, you know, the H Dynamic. Dynamic. It was that, but translated into this, like, weird jiu jitsu framing of subdomain of like, I'm gonna dominate you into submission.

[Gilbert]

And got very serious. This wasn't playful serious. Yeah, that's a little. That's that weird power dynamic as in the church structure, too, with, you know,

[Peter Kim]

like, leaders and then also the Korean every Saturday, Sunday. And I'm popping boners left and right.

[Gilbert]

Like, Peter has this technique where it pushes us off.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

It's like, we're like, why is he. Peter.

[Peter Kim]

He's always on the bottom.

[Gilbert]

He's always just.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, he's like, face down, ass up.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

He's ready to tap out. It was interesting because I would not want to get on top because I'm. I don't want them to know I'm hard.

[Gilbert]

So what would you do?

[Peter Kim]

I'd always be on the bottom.

[Gilbert]

But you could. How? You can't hide a boner, brother. Like, I don't know how you're hiding this boner. Yeah.

[Kalila]

Are you face down? Just flat prison.

[Gilbert]

So you're just feeling pain?

[Peter Kim]

I'm trying to, like, make sure my boner's on the floor.

[Kalila]

Oh, you're. You're Smashing your.

[Gilbert]

It's facing up.

[Esther]

It's.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Okay. Got it, got it.

[Peter Kim]

So, like, I'm trying to always go, like, slip out of a hold so that I'm on the bottom, bro.

[Gilbert]

I know I got to see in a jiu jitsu competition, I'd be bad.

[Peter Kim]

I would constantly be tapped out. Like, I would. And I enjoyed, like, playing submissive in that, like, prescribed space.

[Gilbert]

Okay. Does that relate now to your sexual life? Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Yes.

[Gilbert]

Okay.

[Peter Kim]

It helped me navigate it without having to, like, it. Be overtly sexual. You know what I mean? Like, it's the only thing that my friends and I did that felt power play.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I would love it if we could

[Esther]

all just live in a society where you guys can just like, be free

[Kalila]

with just rubbing your dicks on each other. Me, too.

[Peter Kim]

I've been asking Gilbert. That's.

[Kalila]

God, it's like, just kiss each other. It's fine.

[Gilbert]

Louisiana Athletic this weekend.

[Peter Kim]

Do you still go? I never see you.

[Esther]

Where do you go?

[Gilbert]

We go to the same gym. We go to the same gym.

[Kalila]

Oh, gross.

[Gilbert]

Can I point something out, though? This guy. I want to confront you about this. When we went to. I love cold plunging, and I'm the guy that's naked in this sauna. I'm very Korean about that. I remember we were. I was trying to convince him to do a cold plunge with me, and when I did it, I was like, hey, Kapito, let's just jump in. I'll make you do it. It's three minutes. It's going to be like 42 degrees. You hated me that entire time. Yeah. Yeah. But you said, oh, I'll turn away

[Peter Kim]

when I get in.

[Gilbert]

I was like, like, what are you talking about, dude?

[Peter Kim]

Because he keeps trying to look at my.

[Gilbert]

Why are you so self conscious about that?

[Peter Kim]

He's trying to look at my dick.

[Kalila]

I think he's probably more of, like, a respect thing.

[Gilbert]

Do you feel like you have to do that in those spaces? Well, mostly like a bunch of, like, bros there.

[Peter Kim]

No. I feel like with you. Because we know each other. I don't want to offend you.

[Esther]

Yeah. I think that's more of a respect.

[Gilbert]

But, like, we're Asian. We do like, the Wii spas. Like, you know, it's like, I guess

[Peter Kim]

we've never seen each other naked.

[Kalila]

Naked.

[Gilbert]

That's true.

[Kalila]

I mean, now we have you not seen Gilbert's nipples?

[Peter Kim]

No. Like, naked.

[Gilbert]

They're so iconic naked.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I.

[Peter Kim]

He spent.

[Kalila]

His nipples are so iconic. I had to bring him up at his wedding.

[Gilbert]

We've seen It.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, I've seen it through shirts for an hour.

[Gilbert]

Through an hour sauna session.

[Peter Kim]

I'm just.

[Kalila]

Did I bring it up at your wedding?

[Esther]

Speed.

[Gilbert]

At my wedding, all my family started clapping and laughing.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I had to shout out his very like iconic memoirs.

[Gilbert]

They're pretty iconic. And it's mostly. I'm not afraid to say it. It's genetically handed over from my mother, not father.

[Peter Kim]

How did you know that?

[Gilbert]

Let's not be crazy here.

[Peter Kim]

It's not nipple.

[Gilbert]

You keep saying nipples. It's Arola.

[Kalila]

Arola.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, I'm a. I'm a big booty Latina nipple.

[Peter Kim]

Wait, what's a nipple?

[Kalila]

Not nipple is the actual thing.

[Peter Kim]

The bullet is the top.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

And areola and I got ultimate Frisbee disc.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I love that.

[Peter Kim]

It's not that big.

[Gilbert]

It's not that big, but it is bigger than the average male. I would say. Like, I. Look at your. Hers are like little tiny, like perilla seeds.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, thanks. Yeah, yeah. I've never been called that before.

[Kalila]

Racist.

[Gilbert]

That's your DJ day.

[Kalila]

So I want to ask you guys this. Like, growing up, I always showered with my sisters, my friends.

[Esther]

I still do.

[Kalila]

Like, I'll shower with Jenna.

[Gilbert]

You just posted that like two days ago. With Jeddah.

[Kalila]

Oh, that's true. But it's like, it's so not a thing. Right? Like, we'll wash her all hard in front of each other. I. It was just. Was it not like allowed as a young man just like to watch scrub. Oh, no. Just like to be. To have that like camaraderie and to talk about your day and like suds your hair and just like with your girls and that makes me sad.

[Peter Kim]

No.

[Gilbert]

Growing up.

[Peter Kim]

No.

[Gilbert]

But like I like now at the gym, I'm talking to some of these dudes while we're just showering.

[Kalila]

Okay. That makes me happy.

[Gilbert]

But like, like I also like my body now.

[Peter Kim]

It's better now. It's better because I'm an adult about me and my body and my boundaries and all that. When I was a kid, I did not want to be seen same.

[Gilbert]

I remember at the locker room mostly cuz I was fat. I don't know if you were fat when you were a kid.

[Peter Kim]

I'm still fat.

[Gilbert]

No, you're not. Dude, you look great. You're dj.

[Peter Kim]

You can look great instead. What dj? What? Pillow seats?

[Gilbert]

No, I. I remember in like middle school because I was always getting made fun of. We after pee, some guys would shower. I would just pretend I was like stretching still until everyone left. So you see everyone getting naked. I'm just doing this the whole time. Like, damn, this guy's doing a lot of arm circles. And as soon everyone gets up.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Kim]

What's going on with Gilbert? I think he had a blood clot.

[Gilbert]

He's just like.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, he's really.

[Esther]

Wow.

[Gilbert]

That's what.

[Peter Kim]

Dude.

[Gilbert]

Getting. Being. Growing up, like in. In Georgia.

[Peter Kim]

Georgia also around white kids or black kids?

[Gilbert]

It's all black and white.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, mix.

[Gilbert]

It's mixed.

[Peter Kim]

Okay. And Asians too, or.

[Gilbert]

No, not a lot of Asians.

[Peter Kim]

So you were like only Asian in a.

[Gilbert]

Only Asian already chubby, kind of awkward. All my clothes were from, like, freaking. The weird rack at Marshalls. So you can just tell.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, but that's why you got funny,

[Gilbert]

because you're defense and trauma.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. And you're like, stay alive.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Kim]

I was hiding being gay, so I was trying to stay alive too. So I was making fun of other

[Gilbert]

people for being gay.

[Peter Kim]

No, I never said that.

[Gilbert]

You never said that. That. No.

[Peter Kim]

I didn't even want to, like, broach the subject.

[Gilbert]

And if it did, what would you do?

[Peter Kim]

Somebody would be like, oh, did you hear? So and so is gay. And I would just be like, I haven't seen anything seem like a bad. I don't know what gay is. How do you spell. I'm so straight. I only know lesbian. And like, I was trying to hide.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I have a very. I know that people come out on their own time in their own way, and that's a choice that they make for themselves.

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Esther]

But I have a very specific beef

[Kalila]

with especially older men who I know are closeted still and. Yeah. But who are in these really old. Are we talking relationships?

[Esther]

Okay.

[Kalila]

I'm going to use my own experience.

[Peter Kim]

Okay.

[Kalila]

Since I can't speak on behalf of many people, but When I was 22, I dated a guy who was 40 and he was very handsome. He was a very, like, well, like, loved, like, artist in the community. I thought very highly of him because, like, I was very impressionable. And I'm like, wow, he's so cool. I always felt like he was gay.

[Peter Kim]

What tipped you off?

[Kalila]

Like, just one thing not to say that you can't have, like, gay friends and not be gay. But a lot of his really close friends that he would go visit and then not bring me around were really extremely good looking gay black men.

[Peter Kim]

Gay black men. Okay.

[Kalila]

Yeah. And they were gorgeous. I just was like, how come I don't get an intro?

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

You know, I want to hang and then you know, obviously when we broke up later on, I found out, like, like, dad, like, people. Because we people knew that him and I were together for a while. So they'd be like, hey, girl, I just want you to know, like, you know, I hooked up with your ex, like, many times, and I'm like, I already know, like, but he was the most abusive partner to me that I have ever had. He beat me.

[Esther]

Oh, right.

[Kalila]

He cheated on me multiple times and was just like a disgusting, narcissistic human to me. And I think it's just such a wound for me when I see someone who's, like, in a relationship with a woman. Women. And I know. I just have this feeling. I'm just like, I think you're just gay. But they're, like, not nice to their women. It's like, if you're gonna beard her, at least be kind to her.

[Peter Kim]

That's gay rage.

[Kalila]

That's what I was thinking.

[Peter Kim]

That's gay rage.

[Kalila]

It is gay rage. Explain it to me.

[Peter Kim]

Well, those people basically run the world. I think those are the most dangerous to people in the world.

[Gilbert]

What do you mean, run the world?

[Peter Kim]

Like, those type of closeted, oh, people run the world, world. I think those are the type of people who seek power because they files guys. They don't have power over themselves. I mean, you know what they. Did you see the Charlie Shane documentary?

[Kalila]

I haven't watched it.

[Gilbert]

I heard it was amazing, though. I've been told to watch it.

[Peter Kim]

You must watch it. And there, the pe. When it peaks is when he goes, I was so on drugs. So powerful, so unstoppable. Once you've tried everything on one side of the mic menu, you have to flip it over. So I think at a certain point, for men, sex isn't about attraction or other. It's about you, your power, and how you use that power onto someone else.

[Esther]

So scary.

[Peter Kim]

It's disgusting.

[Gilbert]

The way you describe that is insane.

[Esther]

That's so scary.

[Peter Kim]

I mean, that's what it is at the end of the day, once you get to that level, right? So, like, yeah, that's. That's the, like, cautionary tale I think of our day is like, that's what unfettered greed leads to, is like dehumanization. Like, you lose your humanity.

[Gilbert]

You do the next thing.

[Kalila]

I hope that's not a universal thing. I hope that, you know, there are people that come into money and power that don't abuse it. Is there ever. Is there a good example?

[Gilbert]

It just has not be your. That's the idol. If you're making that your idol then.

[Peter Kim]

That's what I mean.

[Gilbert]

Of course it's going to be like,

[Peter Kim]

there are people who are rich by circumstance, and there are people who are rich because that's their addiction.

[Gilbert]

They all want to change.

[Peter Kim]

Right?

[Gilbert]

That's the whole identity.

[Peter Kim]

That's what I mean. And that's like, all Christianity is about is like, don't be. Don't be an. And like all the money in the world. And all of them are like, oh, we're evangel. You know, like, it's such a. Like easy gaslight.

[Gilbert]

What is reacting to iconic Y2K 90s moments.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, I love that.

[Gilbert]

Oh, I didn't even see the links below. I'm a dumbass. Yes.

[Peter Kim]

Nostalgia porn.

[Gilbert]

I love this.

[Peter Kim]

That is Hope Core right now, William.

[Gilbert]

You know what's so fun? That is.

[Peter Kim]

That's Aria.

[Esther]

Scream.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, that was very Chinese of you. Dude, relax, dude. You're trying to maxing right now.

[Kalila]

Can I just say, I would love to get into iconic Y2K 90s moments, but I don't believe you. I feel like we can't do this without Esther. Although, you know what? You were very much a VH1 guy, so maybe we should try VH1.

[Gilbert]

I love the Flavor Flav show. Do we talk about that? Like the Rock of Love. Did we watch all that?

[Kalila]

I watched all of the Rock of Love.

[Gilbert]

I love Rock of Love.

[Kalila]

I love watch.

[Peter Kim]

Of course, Tequila.

[Kalila]

A shot at love. Yeah. We have a segment on our live show that's like, inspired.

[Peter Kim]

She was like the original gay icon.

[Esther]

I think so too.

[Kalila]

And I really.

[Gilbert]

No, no.

[Peter Kim]

Like, for the gays.

[Gilbert]

Oh. Got like.

[Peter Kim]

We worshiped her because we're like, yes, sir.

[Gilbert]

Did you guys get into the MTV challenges?

[Peter Kim]

Like the real.

[Esther]

Yes, yes.

[Kalila]

I stopped. But I feel like there are people who are lifers that are still like,

[Gilbert]

CT for life, baby.

[Esther]

I love ct. CT for life.

[Kalila]

Life.

[Peter Kim]

CT was the hottest thing on MTV

[Kalila]

because he was gruff and mean and just Boston, right?

[Gilbert]

These eyes unhinged a bit. That's why.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, his. You could see the whites under his eyes. You know that thing they say, like. Yeah, like there's a demon inside.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Wait, there's Sydney Sweeney. Has the same eye.

[Kalila]

She's Billy Eilish and our. One of our favorites.

[Peter Kim]

Uses her power for good. She is a witch too. But Billie Eilish is one. A white witch.

[Kalila]

Who do you think are good white witches right now, Billy? I think she's a good white witch.

[Gilbert]

Can you describe what a. A white witch is for me?

[Peter Kim]

Like someone who is powerful. Yeah, but uses for goods.

[Kalila]

Was it you or someone who told me that the reason that the world is coming apart at the seams is because there are too many white witches or a lot of white girls who are practicing.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, I'm not talking about the ethnicity of white.

[Kalila]

Okay.

[Peter Kim]

I'm talking about like white as in good.

[Gilbert]

Good. Oh, you're talking about Gandalf witches.

[Peter Kim]

Blood mad magic.

[Esther]

Blood magic.

[Kalila]

Okay.

[Peter Kim]

Tequila is blood magic.

[Kalila]

Okay.

[Gilbert]

So I don't know what else is a blood.

[Kalila]

Okay, good.

[Esther]

White witches.

[Kalila]

Billy Eilish, Billie Eilish. What about Chapel Roan?

[Peter Kim]

To be determined.

[Kalila]

Tbd.

[Gilbert]

Okay. Interesting.

[Peter Kim]

It's a little self serving.

[Gilbert]

This is only musicians. Sorry.

[Peter Kim]

No, no.

[Gilbert]

So you can go actor.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Oh yeah, of course.

[Gilbert]

What's like, what's like a good white witch? Like Catherine o'? Hara.

[Kalila]

Ultimate good white witch.

[Gilbert]

Diane Keaton for me is a great white witch.

[Peter Kim]

Another white witch. Yes. Okay. Non white witches. White white witches.

[Gilbert]

Non white white. Caucasian white witches.

[Peter Kim]

Let's, let's name an Asian white witch.

[Kalila]

Oh yes. I want to play this game. God, these. This is hard on the Asian.

[Gilbert]

Pull up the gold.

[Kalila]

Margaret is a good white witch. Margaret is absolutely.

[Gilbert]

We pull up the old house list.

[Peter Kim]

Gold house list.

[Gilbert]

And we can decide who you're allowed to say who you're allowed to say Jama chapter. But I don't know how much power. I guess these people are not really using. They're not like Billie Eilish and Sha saying things.

[Peter Kim]

I don't really know if they've like used their power for good yet.

[Gilbert]

They're more like neutral.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. So to be determined.

[Gilbert]

Oh, then like Sandro.

[Peter Kim]

Sandro. She's very vocal.

[Kalila]

That's a good witch.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. You know there, there are a few out here.

[Gilbert]

This is why we're not invited to Gold House. We're like name all these white women. We're like name Asian white women.

[Peter Kim]

Don't ask me to be here if I can't bring my authenticity.

[Kalila]

Okay, so let's go to the.

[Peter Kim]

The darkness.

[Esther]

The darkness.

[Kalila]

The bad witches.

[Gilbert]

I have a hot take.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, tell me.

[Gilbert]

Well, maybe I don't know what your audience.

[Kalila]

I think Beyonce is a good witch.

[Gilbert]

No, no. What?

[Peter Kim]

I'm going bad witch.

[Gilbert]

I'm going dark.

[Kalila]

I'm sorry I went to big channel. I refuse.

[Peter Kim]

No.

[Gilbert]

And that's the black magic that's tricking you.

[Peter Kim]

Listen, also, I love Rihanna, but the one who can be a billionaire has to be dark.

[Kalila]

Wait, but there's Rihanna I feel like is a good witch.

[Peter Kim]

You Guys, even Warren Buffett, who we love because he makes good choices, but

[Gilbert]

he is S&P 500, very conservative.

[Peter Kim]

There's no way Jesus said it. I'm not even a Christian. Jesus said it. You can't be rich and enter the.

[Gilbert]

That's not true.

[Peter Kim]

You really cannot. That's. He's talking about billionaires. Hellish. It's demonic.

[Esther]

I do.

[Kalila]

Okay, I see what you're saying. With Beyonce, maybe on the bad witch side, but Rihanna, absolutely.

[Peter Kim]

To me, a good witch, because just. We love her.

[Gilbert]

That's the trick.

[Peter Kim]

Guys, I know we're all tricked and we're all imperfect. Yeah.

[Gilbert]

I always thought that Kevin Spacey was the white witch witch. And look what happened.

[Peter Kim]

You're so dumb for saying that because you don't even believe it. Are there any gay white witches? Should we name.

[Kalila]

Yeah, they're all dark. Oh, wait, I want to talk to you about.

[Gilbert]

I have a question.

[Peter Kim]

Number one, dark.

[Gilbert]

My adhd, please. So Queer Eye. Is there a beef there?

[Kalila]

Jvn. Wait, who's the bad guy's.

[Peter Kim]

Hey, man. How could there not be be?

[Gilbert]

I forgot which TV show I was watching as a clip, and then I. He didn't show up to the thing because of. He does not like.

[Kalila]

I'll tell you how it went down.

[Gilbert]

Sorry. Did we talk about filming the 10th

[Kalila]

season of Queer Eyes? Yes. Right. And Karama was like, I'm gonna bring my mom on set.

[Gilbert]

Okay.

[Kalila]

So the mom is on set. Karamo leaves to go to, like, the bathroom or somewhere around. And the mom overhears the cast, like, talking her son. I don't know exactly what was said, but basically he felt, you know, the entire cast.

[Peter Kim]

Mike. Hot Mike.

[Kalila]

He was hot Mike. Oh, no. Yeah. And so the other cast is Anthony. Jvn, Tan. And the new guy.

[Peter Kim]

The new white guy.

[Kalila]

The new white guy who replaced Bobby. Right?

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Yeah. And so that's Karama. Like, no. So I don't.

[Esther]

I don't know.

[Gilbert]

Oh. So was all of them. Interesting. Okay. I just saw that clip and I was confused.

[Peter Kim]

Said, bye, bye, my own show. Peace.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

And so he went. They all went to the interview, and they were all holding hands, and they were like, why isn't Karamo here?

[Peter Kim]

And fake as.

[Kalila]

And they were like, well, you know, we really respect his, like, need to

[Esther]

take time for himself and this and that.

[Gilbert]

So everyone's citing the Internet.

[Peter Kim]

Being in Hollywood for 10 years is media training.

[Gilbert]

Training.

[Peter Kim]

I can't stand it when I see it. I go. And this is why I don't get invited to Gold House. Because I. She can't be media trained. I. I just don't like it.

[Kalila]

I can be media trained.

[Peter Kim]

I don't like it. I think that's why the Internet, tiger belly. Anything is blowing up because of the authenticity. People are sick of that. The media, we're over it. We see right through it.

[Kalila]

I do respect.

[Peter Kim]

It's like, hack. It's so hacked.

[Kalila]

I respect it in a way where it's like. Like more of like a skill set where I'm just like, wow, that was a really tough question. They repose and they dodged that like a ninja, you know?

[Peter Kim]

Do you want to talk about more dark witches?

[Kalila]

Yeah, give me one more. Give me one in, like, gay dark witch.

[Gilbert]

They're all.

[Peter Kim]

All the gay ones are. All the gay witches are dark. What about a single one?

[Gilbert]

But what a.

[Peter Kim]

A white gay witch does not exist. I don't think.

[Gilbert]

Kind of messed up, dude.

[Peter Kim]

I haven't seen one. Who probably name one.

[Kalila]

Maybe a lesbian.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, lesbian. There's tons.

[Kalila]

There's tons in lesbians.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, they're all white. Bob the drag queen dark. I'm not talking about the.

[Gilbert]

You're talking about his skin.

[Peter Kim]

I'm not talking about.

[Gilbert]

I'm defending Bob.

[Peter Kim]

I'm talking about the energy. No, he's great. He's funny, but you're right, there's not a lot. Comedy is dark.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, dark. I see what you're saying. Okay.

[Kalila]

Anyone in comedy has got to be dark.

[Peter Kim]

What about Gandalf, the guy who plays Gandalf?

[Gilbert]

She's trying to separate it.

[Peter Kim]

Gandalf is white. The guy is dark. Sir Ian McKellen.

[Kalila]

I love Ian McKellen.

[Peter Kim]

He's a knight. How's that dark? There's no way a knight of UK can be a. A white witch.

[Kalila]

You know what? You know who was like, maybe because I'm a parent, I truly think his entire constitution is pure white goodness witchy.

[Peter Kim]

I'm scared.

[Esther]

Mr. Rogers.

[Gilbert]

I think he's white. I don't care what you're doing, Peter, if he is.

[Peter Kim]

No, no, I like. No, I didn't say anything. I just breathe.

[Gilbert]

Why do you breathe in a little way. That was insane.

[Peter Kim]

I wasn't expecting Mr. Rogers. That's why.

[Kalila]

Yeah, Mr. Rogers is like, oh, my gosh.

[Gilbert]

Why was there an udon that was so long in your mouth?

[Kalila]

Wait, that's it for me. That's the guy. Earlier, we asked the question, like, who

[Peter Kim]

would you ride for?

[Esther]

Ride for Mr. Roger.

[Gilbert]

But I could never see him even.

[Kalila]

I could never see him.

[Gilbert]

Watching that documentary even made it more like, oh, this is a good guy.

[Peter Kim]

We did not know how incredible this person was.

[Kalila]

I can't because I'm re watching all the episodes from beginning. I need like a list of hardcore Mr. Rogers. Because I'll tell you what, everything that

[Esther]

he says is stuff you wish you heard as a kid. Because I never watched it as a kid.

[Kalila]

Every time I watch it with my

[Esther]

son, I cry and I'm like, why I cried.

[Kalila]

Could have I. I could have been told this by someone that I matter exactly that I'm loved for being exactly who I am.

[Peter Kim]

Like wouldn't have had that hair color.

[Kalila]

Like wouldn't have died an orange.

[Gilbert]

No one told her she was loved or not.

[Kalila]

I wouldn't have been a face queen.

[Gilbert]

She wouldn't wore a chakra hat just on the tippy top of her head, like floating like this.

[Kalila]

Damn.

[Peter Kim]

I want the album, the EDM album from licks called Face Queen. And it's just gay EDM album. Like hard gay club beats.

[Kalila]

That sounds really.

[Peter Kim]

I think that'd be so sick.

[Gilbert]

I can't believe there's no white gay witches. That's kind of messed up.

[Peter Kim]

I know you're still trying to think of one, huh?

[Gilbert]

I'm like, actually like, why you guys are talking like, who is it?

[Peter Kim]

I don't think I can name one.

[Gilbert]

Ellen, is

[Peter Kim]

she mentioned.

[Kalila]

Who's mentioned that? Like on the Epstein files that like shocked you?

[Gilbert]

I mean, everything seemed kind of pretty.

[Peter Kim]

Like no one shocked you.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I feel like nothing is shocked.

[Peter Kim]

There's a lot of misinformation.

[Kalila]

So much.

[Peter Kim]

Please go to D DOJ doj.govbackslash Epstein promo code. Peter, use an entire three days to that.

[Kalila]

But what do you think is. Is there going to be actual like fallout for these people or zero?

[Peter Kim]

No, absolutely not. I don't think in the way we can through the legal system. No. I mean it's gonna have to be French revolution.

[Gilbert]

But don't you even think, like even just these files coming out now, it's like a distraction for something else. Everything is always a distraction.

[Kalila]

I think everything else was a distraction again against from the Epstein files because this is like murder. This involves babies. This involves like.

[Peter Kim]

I mean, remember that screaming voice message of him going like don't relax him. I'll take everyone down with me. Like that was.

[Gilbert]

Oh, trump.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. That was crazy. I was like, whoa, that's. That's pretty nutty. Yeah, it's almost too written. Do you guys know what I mean?

[Gilbert]

I was just talking about this with someone else.

[Peter Kim]

I'm like, so Hollywood. Like, is this a Hollywood gag?

[Gilbert]

It's all scripted. It feels like.

[Peter Kim]

It feels very all out. Check out the show Mark Burnett presents. Like, if you know what I mean. Like the craziest reality show. Like, somehow Apple's gonna come out with like, hey, we've been recording the world for the last five years. And then just like, we're in that right now.

[Kalila]

You're gonna throw me into a spiral. A spiral into. Back into the simulation of Mr. Rogers. I'm realizing he's a kind man and

[Esther]

he says really important.

[Peter Kim]

I'm being hyperbolic, but it does feel a little too scripted.

[Gilbert]

Like you're like conspiracy a little bit. And I'm like, God, this is so well done.

[Peter Kim]

I know.

[Gilbert]

Movie.

[Peter Kim]

I'm like, no.

[Kalila]

Usually when my passport is about to expire, I let it expire and I let it sit. And then I'm like, you know what? Before a trip, I'll expedite it. Do you know how quickly I got on that website to renew my passport?

[Peter Kim]

I just.

[Gilbert]

I just.

[Kalila]

You know how quickly I'm like, like, we got to take my baby. Get us passport pictures. I feel really weird about where we're at.

[Gilbert]

It's not a good feeling.

[Peter Kim]

It's. It's not great.

[Kalila]

It's not great. But I'm so glad we're here to get together to watch it all burn.

[Peter Kim]

Me too. I mean, California, of all places is like really the spot.

[Gilbert]

Oh yeah, 100%.

[Kalila]

But I feel like this is where might get hot. Like, because we are. Are. We would revolt with our whole chest.

[Gilbert]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

I feel as though, like, you know,

[Peter Kim]

a million people in la, like, how are they? They're not even paying there. Did you see all that Reddit stuff about the dude?

[Gilbert]

I just deep in the Internet every day.

[Peter Kim]

So ICE agents are realizing that their bonuses aren't going to kick in.

[Kalila]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to laugh so hard.

[Peter Kim]

No, it's crazy.

[Kalila]

I love the guy who was like, if you raise your voice, I will erase your voice

[Gilbert]

for this dude.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I love. He was like, why are you stopping me? And he was like, cuz you have an accent. He's like, you got a accent.

[Peter Kim]

That's another like, scripted thing. Like, oh, wow. That's really how fast this comeuppance was. Yeah, that like, you joined for 50k and you realize that like, it's over five years and if you get fired or whatever, you have to pay it all back. Like they're realizing they're not getting any money.

[Kalila]

So they're not even getting their bonuses, which every. Everyone was.

[Peter Kim]

Some of them are not even getting their first check tax.

[Gilbert]

That even shows you how some people. How bad we are economically, where people are like, I need money.

[Peter Kim]

That's what I mean.

[Gilbert]

Like, see, it's so many things. You're just like, they like broke the

[Peter Kim]

economy so that they can take advantage of these, like, shows.

[Kalila]

But also it's like, if you can't beat them, join them. And if you're like an immigrant and you're scared of your status, like, join to feel like pressure to like, join.

[Gilbert]

I still got, you know, as a.

[Peter Kim]

Did you not hear about that sketch about there right now about being like the worst immigrant with the thickest accent trying to join? But he. You can't do any of the physical stuff.

[Kalila]

There was that one woman, a journalist who applied for ICE and she went through undercover. Undercover. Not undercover because she gave her real name and she was like, I have a very googleable name. Like, if you. Four seconds. In four seconds, you could basically figure out who I am. All the articles I've written against this administration, they didn't do all that. She went all the way to drug testing. And even before she received the packet in. In her email that she missed and she was like, oh, they're probably not going to hire me. She looks at the site and she's already in their desperate.

[Gilbert]

So it's just like, they know it's

[Kalila]

not even that they're desperate. They don't know who they're hiring.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Gilbert]

Like, shows you no vetting process at all.

[Peter Kim]

No, no. It's like a intern from Cal State. Yeah, no shade to Cal State.

[Gilbert]

I'm sorry, Jam Juice. I don't know why I said that. I love that place. Creation's better and more expensive.

[Esther]

Let's go light, guys.

[Gilbert]

Bro, Michael Jackson hanging his baby over a ledge. I remember that.

[Peter Kim]

That was insane.

[Gilbert]

Was that. What was the name? Blanket.

[Kalila]

Blanket.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Gilbert]

And you see his kids now, they just like, don't want to do anything with him. Well, don't like. Well, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Remember when we thought that was the worst thing he did to a child?

[Gilbert]

Clip it and cut to all the news stories

[Kalila]

to actually just go through the 90s moments.

[Esther]

Let's do that.

[Peter Kim]

She walks like she talks and she talks like she walks.

[Gilbert]

She bangs. She bangs things. Oh, baby Jackson. Pretty stomach staple before he lost 80.

[Peter Kim]

Oh, my God. Isn't that crazy that Randy. Did Randy Jackson actually get his tummy stapled?

[Gilbert]

I think so, yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Wow.

[Kalila]

That's what we got from the William Hung Hung clip that Randy Jackson had a gastric bypass.

[Peter Kim]

Hey.

[Gilbert]

Yeah, let's use the correct terms. We're like stapled.

[Kalila]

Yeah. He said he had bariatric surgery.

[Peter Kim]

Bariatric service.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Remember that used to be a thing and now you don't do it anymore.

[Kalila]

How mad? I was so mad if I had a pretty traumatic bariatric surgery because that's a very difficult surgery. Only to find out later that I could have just got. Been on GLP once.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah, no, that's so I. I mean, is Randy Jackson okay?

[Kalila]

I hope so. He got. Yeah, I think so.

[Peter Kim]

I hope he's okay.

[Kalila]

I. I will say this about William Hung.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Kalila]

Number one, iconic. So sweet. I love Paula in this clip because she gets it. She's like, this guy is a star. He's so cute. And I think that Randy Jackson and Simon are like, just so, like, you know, pick me right now, and she gets it. I've always loved Paula for this. She sees, like, you know, deep, something deeper.

[Gilbert]

Also, culture has changed. You don't see shows like this where the judges are this disrespectful to people.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah. And this. There's just being mean at this point.

[Kalila]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

That's like the producers bringing him in.

[Gilbert]

Exactly.

[Peter Kim]

Doing a gotcha moment. Like, we're all. It's like, again, like, to media training. We're like. We see. Right. We're seeing right through it.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

That's even meaner to watch them see that. I'm like, oh, you put that on national tv.

[Kalila]

But he made a whole career from it. Right. Like, he did.

[Peter Kim]

He did great.

[Gilbert]

He's a motivational coach now, I think, which is really amazing. Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Good for him.

[Esther]

Good for him.

[Peter Kim]

I was just thinking, because his voice isn't like, terrible, horrible.

[Esther]

It's not.

[Peter Kim]

It was more his face.

[Gilbert]

Right. Oh, that's interesting.

[Kalila]

That's a really hot take, Peter, that

[Gilbert]

they're laughing at that they doubled down. He had a Asian face. That was laughable. Take me to Gold House.

[Kalila]

But, you know, I. I dated a guy that looked like this.

[Esther]

Right.

[Kalila]

So.

[Gilbert]

Oh, I have a black friend moment. Go ahead.

[Kalila]

That's not. I have a black friend.

[Gilbert]

Show me a photo of puppet. He's probably Jack.

[Kalila]

Can I tell you how the reason that I overlooked what I thought was like, kind of like a charactery, kind of cartoonish book about him was the fact that he was so wildly talented. He was a great artist. He was Korean and white, but he was. He lived. He grew up in Panama. So he spoke Spanish. He just looked weird. He just looked like there was, like, something weird. But hell, yeah. Like, I. He was, you know, very bangable.

[Peter Kim]

The way they presented him. They were clearly going for the joke. Like, who's this nerd? The R word.

[Kalila]

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Which is up on their part. Right? Because it's like the point was to humiliate.

[Esther]

Humiliate.

[Peter Kim]

Correct this man down. It was a punching down. And they don't starve.

[Kalila]

But good for William Hung for rising up because.

[Peter Kim]

Make the best of it. He did.

[Esther]

Yeah.

[Peter Kim]

Yeah.

[Esther]

Okay. Second.

[Kalila]

Second moment.

[Peter Kim]

I bet he's been to the Gold House.

[Gilbert]

Clay Aiken White.

[Peter Kim]

Oh.

[Gilbert]

What? Which? Never mind. No, no. I'm getting a lot of no's.

[Esther]

He sucked in too hard.

[Peter Kim]

My gut is saying no.

[Gilbert]

You.

[Peter Kim]

I. My heart wants to say yes, but my gut. There's something. I got to trust my gut.

[Esther]

Okay.

[Peter Kim]

Sorry, Clay.

[Gilbert]

No offense. Think about all the people at American Idol.

[Peter Kim]

Adam Lambert presents Dark. But it's actually light.

[Kalila]

Yeah, I think light.

[Gilbert]

Love his creep rendition. Fantastic.

[Peter Kim]

Jesus Christ Superstar.

[Esther]

And he was.

[Peter Kim]

He crushed it at the bowl. It was incredible. Incredible.

[Kalila]

You guys, thank you so much for tuning in this week. We're so sorry we're missing Esther.

[Peter Kim]

We miss you.

[Esther]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kalila]

We will carry on in the Patreon,

[Esther]

so go check it out.

[Gilbert]

She's never here when I'm here.

[Peter Kim]

What the hell?