Shane Madej Finds A Ghost

Summary

Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn

Episode: Shane Madej Finds A Ghost

Recorded: October 28, 2025

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Episode Overview: Spooky Vibes, Ghost Skepticism & Tarot Chaos

This “Spooky Edition” of Trash Tuesday welcomes Shane Madej—co-creator of the hit paranormal show Ghost Files—for a delightfully chaotic roundtable about ghosts, belief, and the day’s main event: a no-holds-barred group tarot reading. The hosts, joined by regulars and guest tarot reader Nicole, dive into personal beliefs, family tales, and supernatural skepticism, before breaking out ghost-hunting devices and playing "Smash or Pass: Cryptids Edition". Expect wild stories, emotional honesty, and the classic irreverent humor that defines Trash Tuesday.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. Belief, Skepticism, and Ghosts

Timestamps: 02:15 – 07:40

• Shane Madej’s Skepticism
  Shane explains his role as the non-believing half of Ghost Files, highlighting his long-standing skepticism and contrasting it with his co-host’s genuine fear and excitement.

  • Shane: “It is pretty boring for me… it’s a lot of quiet rooms, you know. But meanwhile my co host is like, more than ever. It’s very fascinating how the two of us can go into these places and he comes out being like, that was very scary.” (04:10)
  • He clarifies he’s not a contrarian; he just hasn’t had a ghostly encounter despite years of investigations.

• Religious Upbringings and Fear of the Unknown
  Khalyla and the group share their mixed religious backgrounds—ranging from strict Catholic fear to “LA Christian” ("be kind, love thy neighbor, and don’t park where they’re filming Seventh Heaven").

  • Khalyla: “I am deeply afraid, but also deeply non-believing.” (05:32)
  • Clayton: “Also, like, don’t park there because Seventh Heaven is coming. It was like that kind of vibe.” (03:19)

• Possession Story & Ouija Fun
  Khalyla recounts a friend’s supposed possession during a beach trip, leading to a near finger-biting incident; the crew mock-examines potential supernatural explanations.

  • Clayton: “She didn’t know you, she doesn’t—like, she’s not going to spend her afterlife talking to like, a gay 12 year old and his like ugly girlfriend.” (06:40)

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2. Family Tales: Santas, Uncles, and Murder

Timestamps: 09:28 – 11:13

• Santa Trauma
  Shane discusses his childhood Santa sighting (spoiler: it was his uncle, a professional Santa), and Khalyla’s family story veers quickly from staged noises to a dark revelation about a murderous uncle.

  • Khalyla: “He actually hired my uncle to make noises that you hear right now...And then a couple years after that he did murder his own brother.” (10:51)

• Running Family Jokes The group laughs about family members threatening each other's lives (“my two uncles are always threatening to kill each other, like all the time”—Esther, 11:32).

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3. Tarot Reading with Nicole: Destiny, Anxiety, and Shadowy Figures

Timestamps: 12:08 – 42:17

• Clayton’s Reading: Housing Moves and the Unsettling Unknown
  Nicole forecasts a generally positive transitional period, though warns of “something unexpected and unsettling”—likely just a typical homeownership issue.

  • Clayton: “Unsettling makes me think that, like, we’re going to find like a body or something.” (15:32)

• Khalyla’s Year Ahead: Prosperity, Family, and a Moral Test
  A “girlboss” autumn, a nurturing winter, and a test of morals in spring are predicted. The biggest challenge is a mental block next summer.

  • Nicole: “Go as hard as you can. Reach for the stars.” (18:58)
  • The reading gets emotional, moving Khalyla to tears.

• Esther’s Career Struggles: Asking for Help and Meeting New People
  Esther’s cards urge her to reach out for support and be open to new people, suggesting her biggest obstacle is her own reluctance to seek help.

  • Nicole: “[It’s] not so much about physical work as much it is about having…connections to emotionally help you.” (25:48)
  • Clayton: “It sounds like it’s you that’s the problem.” (27:42)

• Shane's Cat’s Fate Shane requests a reading for his beloved, terminally ill cat. The cards suggest the cat will live longer than expected, remain happy and loved, but with a need to watch for signs of decline (“when he starts to not be so clever...that’ll be closer to the end of his journey”—Nicole, 37:08).

  • Shane: “Everyday’s a gift with him…he doesn’t seem to be having any ill effects from it so far.” (33:28)

• Tarot Philosophies
  Nicole and Shane share skepticism about the supernatural but agree tarot is a useful tool for introspection—“it just gives people fodder to think about their lives in an interesting way.” (37:33)

  • Quick Takeaways wrap-up for each:
    • Esther: “Allow your life to kind of be and also decide what you want.”
    • Clayton: “Everything’s gonna be fine. Take it in stride when something weird happens.”
    • Khalyla: “Reap what you’ve already sown and appreciate it.”

• Foot Jokes & Health Tangents Esther’s “corpsey feet” become a running joke, leading to a discussion about rabies, rats in Teslas, and diabetic foot care.

  • Clayton: “Those are the feet of a hundred year old person.” (33:33)

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4. Ghost-Hunting Gadgets & Pseudoscience

Timestamps: 44:31 – 54:47

• Tools of the Trade
  Shane demos his array of ghost-hunting devices—including a REM pod and an Ovilus (which translates environmental data to random words).

  • Shane: “I would love nothing more than to believe in ghosts... I tend to believe people aren’t lying, but—I don’t know what this is.” (45:08)
  • The Ovilus spits out phrases like “Shepherd,” “Creek Mike Black,” “Sad puddle,” and absurdly, “Maximum Planet”, delighting everyone with their randomness and supposed meaning.

• Belief in Aliens and Cryptids
  The group chats about believing in aliens and cryptids (“Your Bigfoots, those sort of things”), differing over whether aliens feel supernatural or natural.

  • Shane: “Aliens feel to me…like there’s the possibility that this exists because it’s an animal. It’s meat and bubble.” (47:01)

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5. Smash or Pass: Cryptids Edition

Timestamps: 55:07 – End

• The gang plays a chaotic, hilarious round of cryptid “Smash or Pass”:
  • Bigfoot: Shane says pass, everyone else says smash.
    • Shane: “Bigfoot, really, stinks… There was, like, a scientist who described the smell as smegma.” (55:46)
    • Clayton: “Bigfoot is a hot, stinky, hairy jungleman.” (57:05)
  • Loch Ness Monster: More cuddling than actual romance—mixed votes.
  • Philippines’ Tikbalang: Khalyla says “super smash for me… cannot pass on my Filipino brethren.” (58:42)
  • Jersey Devil, Mothman: Pass for Jersey; heavy smash for Mothman (“has an incredibly sculpted ass”—Shane, 60:50).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Shane: “As a skeptic, I find tarot very fascinating because I think it just gives people kind of fodder to think about their lives in an interesting way. Even if I don’t necessarily believe it’s like supernatural.” (37:33)
• Esther: “It sounds like it’s you that’s the problem.” (27:42)
• Clayton: “If you want to meet new people, you need to get out and meet new people. You need to be out of your home.” (45:00)
• Nicole (on tarot): “Anyone can read Tarot, I think.” (42:41)

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Notable Timestamps

• 04:10 – Shane discusses boring ghost hunts and his skeptical stance
• 10:51 – Khalyla dives into her dark family Santa story, murder included
• 13:04–18:59 – Tarot readings begin, building tension and humor
• 25:48 – Esther’s career issues laid bare, advice: ask for help!
• 33:28 – Shane’s emotional story about his sick cat and his love for animals
• 45:08 – Ghost-hunting gadgets make their debut
• 55:07 – Smash or Pass: Cryptids sparks wild opinions and laughs

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Tone & Style

True to Trash Tuesday’s spirit, this episode is a fast-paced mix of intimate overshares, dark comedy, self-reflection, and skepticism—alternatively very silly and unexpectedly thought-provoking. The hosts banter freely, embracing oversharing and poking fun at themselves, while Shane’s deadpan, logical perspective bounces neatly off the group’s earnest belief in fun and weirdness.

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Summary Takeaway

If you want a snapshot of modern LA hot-girl comedy mixed with ghost-hunting snark, family trauma, and good-natured skepticism, this episode is a must-listen. Between emotional tarot moments (and existential dread), Shane’s ghost-detecting gear, and a thirst-driven cryptid game, this is Trash Tuesday at its wittiest, weirdest, and warmest.

Transcript

[A]

Thanks. Okay.

[B]

Smash all the way. A water creature that's like the OG Aquaman.

[A]

I think that's good.

[B]

Oh, give me.

[C]

Give me too.

[B]

Snaky, slippery, wet.

[A]

He's sort of going for a ride. Very slick. Very fun.

[C]

I think you guys are actually sick and wrong, and I think that that's an animal. So you guys are an animal.

[A]

I mean, Bigfoot, technically, also an animal.

[D]

He's a Bigfoot is a daddy.

[A]

Nessie wouldn't even feel anything.

[C]

You know, Ness. Messy, messy.

[B]

By smash, I mean like, a cheeky cuddle.

[A]

Oh, I did not mean that.

[D]

Hi, slugs. I'm so excited. I've been having so much fun on tour. I love seeing you guys. This month. I've got Philadelphia, Boston, and New York City. Those are all going to be November 14th, 15th and 16th. And you can get tickets at the link below or at pretty littlebaby tour dot com. Slugs, we just recorded a Patreon. All of us, Jules, Jenna, and Coco and I. And if you want to check it out, you can go to the Patreon. We actually covered a lot of, like, dating. Jules has some dating stuff.

[B]

If you want to find out Jules's secret crush. Oh, sign up for our Patreon. Help her in her dilemma.

[D]

With this boy, I had to face humiliation also, and I handled it. You can check out the Patreon. And shout out to our golden slug.

[E]

Brandon.

[D]

Why are you so skinny? I don't like vibrations.

[C]

The vibrations are low. The vibrations are low. Get that in queso.

[A]

No, it's okay.

[D]

Shane is a ghost hunter, but he doesn't believe.

[A]

Yes, we'll unpack it all.

[D]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to Trash Tuesday, Spooky Edition.

[B]

Super spooky. Clay said the vibes are already low.

[C]

Can I fix this one hair? Because this is already spooking me out. Okay, there we go. Try again.

[D]

I know my hair is really bad today.

[C]

That's okay. No, it's fixed. It was just. That was spooky.

[D]

I had to wash it with a bowl, bar of soap, and skokie a couple days ago. Okay, so we'll get to that.

[C]

Yeah, maybe he can, like, excavate that.

[A]

I can't do anything.

[D]

Okay, we have a crazy day planned for everyone. Obviously, you already know we have Clayton Hawkins returning. My best friend. My only friend. Yeah, but we're welcoming a new guest today. He is a paranormal hunter.

[B]

Yeah, hunter's a great word.

[A]

Yeah, I hunt them.

[D]

Yeah, he's from the hit show Ghost Files, and he does not believe. So we're gonna get into that. Cause that's already. He's my guy. He's from Schaumburg, Illinois. He doesn't believe. Like, that's my best friend. Welcome. Shane made.

[A]

Oh, thank you for having me.

[B]

Are we on the same page with believing?

[C]

I mean, I'm open to believing. I feel like it's fun to just, like, lean in and believe. Sure.

[B]

But you weren't like, raised, like, weirdly Catholic and afraid like me, you know.

[C]

I was raised Christian, but my church that I went to growing up was the literal church from Seventh Heaven. So sometimes they'd be like, we can't film. They're shoot. So it was very like, LA church. So there was no hell. We didn't talk about hell.

[A]

Isn't that important? Isn't it important to talk about hell?

[C]

No. I like my version better.

[B]

I love this version.

[C]

Yeah, it was like LA Christian, where it was like, be kind. Also like, don't park there because Seventh Heaven is coming. It was like that kind of vibe. It was like, be kind, love thy neighbor.

[A]

That sounds like the best possible version.

[C]

Kind of was.

[D]

But then worship the TV show.

[C]

Worship the tv. Make sure if you're a Nielsen family, that's important. But my husband was raised Catholic, where it's very like, the devil is like.

[B]

Fear, the fright of it all.

[C]

Yeah. So I don't know what I believe.

[A]

Well, we'll find out today.

[C]

Okay. But he doesn't believe. Can you. Can you expound on that?

[A]

So let me. Let me clarify. I am. I am one half of the hosting presence of our show. And my co host, Ryan Bergara, is a dyed in the wool ghost believer.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Like, I've seen him almost pass out from fear. It's rare that I show up on a show alone to talk about ghosts because obviously you sort of want the fair and balance.

[C]

So you're like the skeptic in, like, the dynamic.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay. That's fun.

[A]

I want that for like a decade now. And people are like, how are you still doing this? Because it is pretty boring for me.

[C]

So do you just, like, set up, like, the vacuums or. I don't know how it works.

[A]

I mean, I go, I walk around, I reach out to spirits. I use. We have a lot of equipment. I brought some. Some with me today. So we can.

[D]

We can ever get close to believing?

[A]

No. Anytime we. We like, meet viewers or people who watch the show, they'll be like, I mean, there's gotta be something, right? I mean, it's got. You've gotta have something that, like, got You a little close? And I'm like, no, it's a lot of quiet rooms, you know. But meanwhile my co host is like, more than ever. It's very fascinating how the two of us can go into these places and he comes out being like, that was very scary. And I walk out sort of being.

[C]

Like, okay, okay, but you're a contrarian. I can already tell. Yes, you are. Yes you are. And I now actually believe in ghosts more than ever. Well, that's because I'm gonna actually uno reverse. I feel like if you've done this for so long and you've never felt anything, you're just a contrarian.

[A]

Yeah, I'm really not. I think people who know me, I'm proof proven. I swear to God I'm not.

[D]

But swear to God means nothing to you if you don't know.

[B]

That's right. I'm an atheist now, but I was raised deeply Catholic. So is, you know, the war inside me. I am deeply afraid, but also deeply non believing. But on the, on a car ride over here, my friend Marianne was like, hey. My college friends and I went to this little beach town, six of us and yeah. And then, you know, just a couple.

[D]

Friends starting out really fun.

[C]

Okay, okay.

[B]

Having a good time. The vibes are high. And then out of nowhere this girl, their friend, who has no history of mental illness, no history of drug use, no history of anything, starts acting very strangely where she is now, rolling her eyes, speaking in tongues. And now five, her and five of her friends are have to hold her down. And she's like, you know, kind of like, like a spirit has overcome her body. Like she was physically.

[C]

How old were they?

[B]

How old were you?

[C]

Oh yeah, I needed that kind of attention when I was that age for sure. I, I could for sure see myself like rolling my eyes. I used to. I was the Ouija board family. So we love. I mean it was made by Milton Bradley, like, give me a break, get me started. And we would always try to talk to Princess Diana and my mom would come in and be like, leave that woman alone. She didn't know you. She doesn't. Like, she's not going to spend her afterlife talking to like a gay like 12 year old and his like ugly girlfriend. Leave the woman alone.

[B]

But okay, Clayton, now explain this part. So as they're holding her down, one of them doesn't hold her down hard enough. So she, she bounces back up and then she bites the finger of one of her friends off. Not completely off, but like violently almost like attempts to Rip the finger.

[A]

So that's, like, beyond a bit.

[B]

And then passes out, falls asleep, and then everyone's like, what the fuck was that? Wakes up and she's like, what's up?

[C]

Like, oh, I know this kind of girl. Yeah, that's.

[A]

This is.

[C]

So I could see Esther doing this, literally by, like, eod. Okay. She just wanted attention. And that's, by the way, she created a fun experience. Experience for everyone that they're still talking about to this day. I would always move the Ouija board.

[B]

Oh, you were the guy. You were the mover.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What was Princess Diana saying? What did you make.

[C]

She was interested in the gossip at Campbell Hall Elementary School. She would be like, yeah. Like, she is a. Like, is this person a bitch? And, Diana, you got results with that.

[A]

Ouija board, you guys.

[C]

Well, I moved around. I moved it, guys. That's what I'm saying. So I like to lean into the fan. Like, I never believed in Santa growing up. I always thought that we were all just, like, plain make believe.

[D]

That's what it should be. I always say this, that when I raise my children, which I am doing.

[C]

Yeah. You know, you have a kid, right?

[E]

One day.

[D]

No, because I think that Santa should be, like, a story that we pretend 100%.

[B]

I'm at 2%.

[D]

That's sick.

[B]

It's sick. I'm a sick, sick family.

[D]

You're lying to your child. She wants to lie.

[B]

I experienced the most magical Christmases, and that is such a core memory of mine. Parents played into the bit a little too much. And I believed in Santa. Like, as a teenager, I was still writing because I held on to that.

[C]

Yeah, okay. I mean, that's beautiful. I love that for you and the culture and your family. But also, like, I had so much. Halloween was magical, but I didn't actually think that, like, pumpkins all of a sudden had faces. I knew that we were in costumes. It's just pageantry. It's fun. It's all just, like, you know, it's fairy tale. It's drag. If you play it like that. It's fun.

[D]

Were you really heartbroken when you found out the truth?

[C]

No.

[B]

Because you gradually get older and you gradually. 30, you realize that, you know, you eventually get to a point where you're like, okay, clearly, like, this isn't a real thing. But the. What? The effort that my parents put into Christmas and making it seem like. There was this really cool guy that came once a year.

[A]

He was a really cool guy.

[B]

Presents was like. I was like, oh, I love that. So it became a very positive, like, memory for me. Not, like. No. No heartbreak at all.

[D]

Shane, did you believe in Santa?

[A]

That's actually, like. I think when people ask me, like, what was my breaking point? Because growing up, I believed in him to a degree. And then at some point, we were in our home, and my parents were like, wait, I see something in the backyard. And I was probably, like, 4 or 5, and I went to the window, and there was a Santa in our backyard. And he was like. And I ran away and hid in the garage because I was so startled and, you know, sort of broke my brain. I was like, there he is. That's the man. Is that a.

[D]

Is that a.

[B]

Are you guys with us?

[C]

Santa.

[D]

We're doing a podcast.

[B]

Santa. It's not Christmas yet.

[A]

It turns out it was my uncle. My uncle is a professional uncle is Santa. He's a professional Santa. He does parades, and he looks like Santa, and I don't know why I didn't connect that at the time. Yeah, he's great. He's doing great.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, he's looked like Santa for a while, but so I think.

[B]

See, that's really sweet. So my dad was a really old, decrepit man, and so he couldn't quite, like, get into the Santa costume, so he actually hired my uncle to make noises that you hear right now.

[A]

Your dad actually hired a Santa man?

[B]

He hired my uncle to make sounds and bang and clang on the roof.

[A]

And that's what uncles are for, I guess.

[B]

But then my uncle got injured. He slid off the. Yeah, it was a whole thing.

[C]

He slid off as Santa.

[B]

He slid off as Santa. And then a couple years years after that, he did murder his own brother.

[C]

Okay, well. What?

[B]

Not very Santo in broad daylight.

[C]

What did the brother do?

[B]

It was a money dispute. Well, did he owe him with a machete? He did it.

[C]

Okay, well, okay, yeah, that Santa's story.

[B]

Got a little dark, but once upon a time, murderous.

[C]

I don't know why I'm on the side still. I want to know the whole story before you make him full judgment.

[B]

He was. Santa was once a sweet. I mean, my murderous uncle was once a sweet Santa.

[C]

That's all. And did you like the other uncle?

[B]

I did. I loved all of them.

[C]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah. But, you know, I hate. I hate it when that happens.

[D]

You know what's crazy? My uncles. My two uncles are always threatening to kill each other, like, all the time.

[B]

Do they actually pull out weapons?

[C]

They have guns?

[D]

No, they. They would use guns.

[C]

See, that See, if I heard the gun thing, I'm like, turned off. But machete, it's like.

[A]

Did they point guns at you?

[D]

Like, no, but it's like, I'm gonna bring my gun. I'm really gonna kill him this time. And my mom's in the middle of it, so. We're so much more similar.

[B]

We are than you realize.

[E]

We.

[D]

So part of our spooky series is we're gonna get our tarot read. And I'm scared. I don't want to do it. But welcome. Let's welcome her. Nicole Tarot hour with Nicole.

[C]

I love tarot.

[D]

Of course you do. Clay, you're gay.

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

Okay, who are we starting with?

[E]

Not me first.

[B]

Let's do Clay first.

[C]

I'll go first. I'm so open.

[E]

I picked out a tarot deck for all of you. Just on a whim, on a vibe. So we're reading yours with this reflective.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I like that.

[D]

So what do you want?

[C]

You're pretty.

[D]

Thank you.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

You're so pretty.

[E]

I recommend that you ask a question that's open ended, not one that ends in a yes or no. You'll get a better answer.

[C]

Okay. Open ended.

[E]

I can also help you.

[C]

Help me? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what I want to ask.

[E]

Tell me what your problems are. We'll turn it into a question.

[C]

I mean, I have a lot going on right now, so. Are things going to work out great.

[E]

So just like a general reading on your future.

[C]

Yeah. What does my future look like? How about that? What does my next three months look like?

[E]

Aspect of your future you want to know about? Is it your career?

[C]

I'm moving potentially. I'm like, in escrow right now. So, like, is that all going to work out?

[E]

Okay.

[C]

Congrats. Thank you. I know.

[E]

Okay, so let's look at the future of your home in your housing.

[A]

That's a very satisfying noise, right?

[E]

I like the car.

[C]

Just go up and.

[B]

Are you also a casino?

[D]

Yeah. Do you like to smoke in here?

[C]

Now I think. What's happening?

[E]

I should maybe pick that up. Don't tell any.

[C]

That was hot.

[D]

I know. My husband would be so into this.

[E]

Okay. Good signs already for you.

[C]

I'm so lucky.

[B]

I am.

[C]

By the way, just so you know, I'm putting. I am so lucky.

[A]

Is this how it works? You do that and the cards just jump out?

[E]

They do, yeah.

[A]

If you use this style of shovel, there's different methods. I see. Okay.

[E]

I like this one because it feels like it's Meant to happen. So this is a lot of good signs for you and like one really intense thing in there too. But don't stress about it, okay. If you already know tarot, just don't look at this card. You'll be fine.

[C]

So I'm not.

[E]

This is the start of something even better for you as far as home and housing. If you thought that you already had it good, things are going to become even better.

[C]

Okay. Yeah.

[E]

You're actually like right now in the earlier stages of building something long term. Building a foundation, accumulating wealth that feels long lasting and not just like in a tangible money type of way, but something stable and grounding along the way. You might be tested to be more generous and kind with other people if you.

[C]

What do you mean tested? Like, like written like. What is it?

[D]

I needed that one. He's so generous.

[C]

Yeah, but not. I'm generous, but I'm not kind. Well, it's a fun combo.

[E]

So in Tarot, there's this fun thing where when cards reverse, there's some sort of layer to it that's unexpected. And this one is typically about generosity, but now we're looking at some sort of twist which might be your kindness towards this generosity. So you might find yourself in some sort of situation where somebody's asking something of you or you need to maybe up your budget a little bit on something here.

[A]

Sure.

[E]

Yeah. And you'll have to approach that with kindness also in this.

[D]

Can I borrow $10,000?

[C]

Of course. I know.

[A]

Begrudgingly, yes.

[E]

So in this move and everything that's going on financially, definitely physical move part, there's gonna be something that's very unexpected in nature that happens, and it's gonna be kind of jarring and unsettling, but you'll get past that.

[C]

I don't like the word unsettling. Cause that makes me think like, no, but that's homeownership. That's what I think so too. Of course. Oh, this homeownership is jarring, of course, but unsettling. Makes me think that, like, we're gonna find like a body or something.

[D]

Well, that would be cool.

[C]

Probably not.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

But don't think about it too hard because the essence of this card is that it's unexpected. You're not gonna be able to guess what this thing is that comes and happens to you, but you're gonna move past it. Ultimately, this is all going to go well and you're transitioning into the next point in your life. There's not gonna be any significant speed bumps that Prevent this from happening. This card is all about transitioning into better areas of life from something that was already good and grounded into something even better.

[C]

Okay. I like that.

[D]

I know what the unexpected is. You do?

[E]

Plug your ears.

[D]

Oh, I can't tell him.

[C]

Well, then, are you gonna do it?

[A]

Well, then it's gonna like.

[E]

So then it's like if he already knows. It's not the unexpected thing. Oh, you're right.

[D]

Ok. I know what it is. Okay.

[E]

Maybe she'll have to tell us later.

[B]

How do you feel about it, Clay?

[C]

That feels right.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Good and unexpected and like rocky and fun.

[E]

So we'll have to follow up and find out what the unexpected chaos is.

[A]

At least you can sort of brace yourself.

[C]

You know, that's my problem, is that I'm always braced. I'm always like, no more.

[D]

It's not gonna be bad. It's just something that you're not expecting, but that it's gonna be something good.

[C]

Why are you acting like witchy?

[E]

So the part I pulled for you is the tower, and people are usually really scared of it.

[D]

Do me.

[B]

Do me.

[C]

Wait, what is it? What does the tower mean, though?

[E]

Unexpected, surreal things that uproot your life. But a lot of people are scared of it, and I don't think there's a reason to be scared. It's really just unexpected.

[D]

I'm telling you, I know what it is, and it's. It's gonna be good.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

If it's anything bad for me, will you give me that same kind of.

[D]

Okay, I'll tell you.

[A]

Is that a donkey and some swans?

[B]

Like my heart's beating.

[E]

Oh, it's kind of like a dog of sorts.

[A]

Here.

[E]

And then grits.

[B]

I love egrets. I always point them out. Egret? Yeah.

[C]

I never heard of that.

[B]

Are you guys not into bird watching? What's wrong with you?

[A]

Egrets are sort of.

[D]

Are you a crane adjacent.

[C]

We feed birds in the yard.

[B]

I follow this guy called Birding with Rick, and he gives you all of the bird IDs, like this kind of, you know, hawk or this.

[D]

Where do you see them?

[B]

Outside, Esther. I go outside.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

Part of the Audubon Club. Nobody. Audubon Society.

[C]

We go to Cinnabon sometimes.

[E]

Sometimes.

[B]

I'm ready.

[E]

Okay. What's your question?

[B]

Gosh, I'm really bad with open ended questions.

[D]

So someone pick an element of your life.

[C]

Don't you feel sick when she asks you that question? Yeah.

[B]

I don't know what part of it. What does my next year look like?

[E]

Okay. Yeah, we can do that.

[B]

I'm already sweating.

[E]

Since this is a shorter reading, I'm going to split it up into kind of like, seasons.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

I don't even know what that means. Oh, see? Okay.

[D]

I see the seasons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I see birds on that one.

[C]

Yeah, you. That's literally the lady from Home Alone, too.

[D]

Whoa.

[B]

That one.

[E]

Okay. Starting in fall, this is going to be a really prosperous time for you. This card is all about girlbossing. Like, not too close to the sun, but the right amount and getting everything that you want. So if there's anything particular in life right now that you're chasing, you're probably going to be able to get it. So go as hard as you can. Reach for the stars.

[B]

It's going to make me.

[E]

This is going to be.

[A]

Oh, babe.

[E]

This is your season. This is where you get to shine.

[D]

Thank you.

[E]

Yeah, right? I really.

[A]

It's the power of tarot.

[D]

Are you okay?

[B]

I'm not.

[D]

I was so.

[C]

I was scared it was gonna be something bad.

[B]

Go ahead. Sorry. I'm sorry, Nicole.

[E]

No, nothing bad here. This is actually really exciting and really good. So this is all about building something for a really long time in life and then seeing it pay off because you tried so hard.

[D]

No. I'm gonna cry.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[E]

You invested so much of yourself into it.

[A]

You've got that.

[B]

Okay. Sorry.

[C]

I'm really happy for you.

[E]

So this is gonna pay off. So keep on, Keep on going. And this is also not the end, so there's still more to come for you. You aren't, like, manifesting everything in your life in this moment, but all the big things. So shoot for the stars. They're yours.

[C]

I have shot.

[E]

I've shot in the winter. This is going to be a time that's more focused on family for you. This card centers around kind of, like, maternal instinct, nurturing, caring for other people. So this might be a time of, like, kind of settling down a little bit more, spending time with people you care about and then helping grow deep relationships and nurturing that as you move into spring, There is going to be something here that kind of tests your morals and how you exist and move through life. It's nothing like scary or dramatic, but there's going to be something where you have to prove, like, your own values, where you're going to be asked to do something or not to do something. And it's up to you to stand strong and everything that you've built in your life up until that point so you can expect something that tests you to see, like, what do you really want?

[D]

An offer to go to the Saudi Arabia festival.

[C]

But that might make some of the dreams come true.

[A]

I mean, yeah, you don't necessarily have to pass the test.

[B]

Right, right, right. There will be a test.

[C]

That's exactly what I took from it too, especially.

[B]

But, you know, I am aggressive. I'm one of the greatest test takers ever in school. Yeah, that's been my strong is I. I know how, why the question is framed the way it's framed, and I know what they're asking for. So you either are or you aren't.

[D]

So do you go fast or slow when you take a test?

[B]

I take my time.

[D]

Yeah, you super fast. And that's, like, Dave's big issue with me.

[A]

When we rush through, what tests are.

[B]

We currently taking on this Cantron? Do you double check?

[D]

No, my thing is, I know or I don't know, move on. And Dave's like, sit and think because he gives me my acts once a year.

[B]

That is so corny of you guys.

[C]

One time I was taking, like, a final in grade, like a serious science final. I studied so hard, I whipped through it, and I remember I was the first person in the entire class to finish. Literally looked at my friend went like, I got this. I got 37%. 37. To the point where the teacher was like, I think maybe you were off by one. But I wasn't. I earned the 37.

[B]

What is my final season?

[E]

Okay, so your final season is going to be something where you feel a little bit more trapped, but it is going to be largely a mental barrier, not a physical one. So you might be feeling like you aren't necessarily taking the path that you needed to move forward, or maybe you're feeling anxiety or maybe feeling doubtful. This is not so much career focus. This is gonna be more a mental kind of struggle for yourself, so you can expect in the future, but this is something you can move through and push through because it's not unknown to you.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

So you might feel a little bit constricted and trapped in your own mind, but when that happens, it's important to remember whether or not you're really stuck in these sorts.

[B]

That's the. For the fall season of next year. Right.

[E]

Well, this is a chicken, and it's.

[C]

Probably not gonna fly, but no, that's like, next summer.

[B]

Next summer.

[C]

So plan to, like, up the dosage. Like, try to up, like, as we go.

[B]

10 milligrams. 10 milligrams. Okay, got it. All right. Thank you so much. Nicole, I love. I love this.

[C]

Yours was good. I'm happy for you.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

Doesn't sound like you are.

[C]

No, I am.

[D]

I'm ready. I'm ready.

[E]

Yours said you're getting your home all in order. I think yours was good.

[C]

That's true. I know the tower is just, you know, the tower is hard to hear.

[E]

Don't stress about it. That's why I covered the card. I'm like, don't look.

[C]

If you're the tower, it's like, you know, worst case scenario, you know?

[A]

Are these jokes generally sort of a mixed bag or do you ever pull four cards where you're like, this is bad?

[E]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It really depends.

[B]

And how do you deliver the news?

[E]

Well, bad cards are all about delivering things with kindness. And also there's this thing with tarot where sometimes people pull bad cards, but it's not actually intended to be read in a bad way. So if you ask a question that's supposed to have, like, a positive outcome and you then get a bad card, it might be about overcoming that, not the experience of being in it.

[C]

This looks like your house, Esther.

[E]

I heard you like pink. So we got a full reflective pink deck for you.

[D]

What room in my house?

[C]

Like that one? Like the wall, The Asian looking kind of goal? I didn't want to say Asian looking wall, but yes, the Asian looking wall.

[D]

The Asian wall, yeah. Okay, I have my question. Okay. So I've been, like, really having some career stop and starts, and I really, like, need some advice and want to know what's in the future for my career. Because I keep doing something that gets in the way of my strength and my masterminding. And so I just need to know, like, I'm looking for some career help.

[E]

Okay, we can do that.

[D]

Keep doing this thing.

[E]

These ones are a little bit slippery.

[D]

This thing that I keep doing. Let's talk about.

[A]

I understand they're trying to jump out, but they're not. I would buy so many of these decks. They're beautiful.

[E]

This is your next calling. You need to bring them into a house. Okay.

[D]

You're pretty quiet. You're really quiet.

[E]

Nicole, are you asking for help when you need help?

[D]

That's the problem.

[E]

Yeah, so. So a lot of this card is about having the resources, the family, the friends around you, specifically, even in a career setting, to be able to get through those difficult times. But maybe not reaching out and utilizing, not asking for help. Maybe not always being the most vulnerable about what you're going through or the.

[D]

Thing, what if I don't like the other people in my career.

[E]

Well, you don't have to reach out to them. This is about reaching out to the people who actually do make you feel grounded and the people you do care about.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Getting those connections to emotionally help you so you can actually feel grounded enough.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

To make these career choices.

[D]

This would make sense, because I'm not ready to do that.

[E]

Well, you don't have to be ready, but it looks like that's kind of the big block here.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Do you ever feel like the things that are coming are maybe things you don't deserve?

[D]

No.

[E]

Okay, so if that's not the case, then you need to, like, go more and accentuate this. These are things that you're meant to have. These are things that you do deserve. So why are you not reaching for them harder?

[D]

That's ringing true.

[E]

So this might be more about, like. Like, grabbing what you want and going for it.

[C]

Would you say she needs to work a little bit harder?

[D]

I can't right now.

[E]

So this is.

[D]

I can't right now.

[E]

Her cards are not so much about physical work as much it is about having.

[B]

That's a relief for her.

[C]

Yeah, well, that wasn't her. That wasn't even. That's not even in the cards.

[E]

It's kind of more about fixing your mindset and making this feel new, making it feel fresh, making it feel like something that you actually want to be doing.

[D]

Yeah. I have been passing on a lot of. Of a lot of things lately, so.

[E]

It'S gonna be all about reigniting your own spark. You need to get into scheming what you deserve because you want it.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

You need to connect with other new people.

[D]

New people.

[E]

Are you kind of closing off?

[D]

Yeah, I don't really like new people. I'm 37.

[E]

That's so many more years to meet new people.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

No, I think you're gonna. I think you're gonna meet new people.

[D]

New people are dangerous.

[C]

Well, in the circles you run in, for sure. But if we, like, I'm 39.

[A]

You've got, like, two more years to meet new people. That's it.

[D]

Is there anything good?

[E]

None of this is bad. It's mostly just asking you to reflect on how you're blocking yourself.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

It sounds like it's you that's the problem.

[D]

Always.

[C]

All this other stuff is, like, life forces, and this one is, like, her telling you that you need to, like, reach out and actually. And really, like. Like believe in your. Like, you do believe in yourself. You just need to like, ask for help, it sounds like. And really go for it.

[A]

Right.

[E]

Well, your cards, they say that you're strong enough to handle this. That's never, like, the question for you. The question is more, what do you want? What do you care about?

[D]

Yeah. And I don't know what I want.

[E]

And part of this for you is going to be being uncomfortable and looking in new places. And part of the way you can find this is connecting with new people. Somebody's going to teach you something you don't know.

[D]

Okay. Do you know who?

[E]

I can describe a person for you. If there is a specific person.

[D]

I think the last year has been about, like, do I want to just be a mom or do I want to have a career? And I think then I landed on. I do want to have a career. And then something happened.

[E]

That's interesting, though, because this card is all about, like, a balance of selfishness in a way of, like, feeling like you're being selfish versus understanding that you need to have some things for yourself, too and not give up everything first. It says if you want to meet new people, you need to get out and meet new people. You need to be out of your home, out and about.

[C]

You're on the road.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Are you striking up conversations with people?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

So this isn't necessarily about not doing it, but it's about being in the earlier stages of it. So you haven't met these people yet.

[D]

Okay. Yeah. So I just be open to, like.

[E]

Someone might pop up, be open to something new happening. And this is about a stage of kind of more planning and preparing. So first you need to figure out what you want, what you're looking for, and then things will start to fall together when you get to more of this action stage, this person. If there is a specific person. I think there is, based off the cards I pulled, that will maybe help you get an idea of where you want to move forward. Is going to be somebody not in the limelight. They're going to be somebody kind of in the background, in the shadows, somebody.

[C]

Unexpected shadow, a shadowy figure. Esther is literally about to join a cult. I'm very excited for this.

[D]

You thought your tower was bad.

[C]

I know. No, the tower is bad.

[D]

Okay. Okay. I feel like I have something to work with here. Thank you.

[C]

Yours wasn't bad.

[D]

It would have been weird if it was all positive because it's definitely like, I'm. I'm.

[E]

It's.

[D]

I am in a struggle zone.

[B]

I do want to point out, and I feel like I can only point this out because You've already done so. But you do have corpsey feet.

[D]

I know. I don't know.

[B]

Like a dead person.

[A]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[C]

God, they look almost like water logs.

[D]

I know.

[B]

How many days in the water Clay?

[D]

They look really dead. Like, it's really weird.

[C]

They look after I say this with so much love and so much respect, that those are the feet of a hundred year old person.

[D]

I know. I don't know what to do about it. They always look like.

[B]

Do you not have Raynaud's?

[D]

No, I don't have Raynaud's.

[C]

I think my mom had that, or.

[A]

My mom has that.

[D]

That.

[A]

It's when your hands get real.

[B]

Yeah. The blood flow doesn't quite reach.

[D]

It's like if you're cold, your hands will. And feet will literally turn bright purple.

[B]

What bit you? You have like, a vampire.

[D]

I don't know what bit me.

[A]

It's not a bat.

[B]

Oh, there is rabies in Pasadena.

[A]

Is there?

[C]

Yeah, but I. I did a lot of research. Like, the rate. There's a lot of rabies everywhere, always.

[A]

Yeah, but you can't touch. You know, you can't touch a bat. Don't ever even touch one.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Well, also, there was a school teacher very recently who like, saw a bat and she was like, oh, I lifted it up and a piece of paper. She died. She got rabies?

[B]

Yeah. And that's the thing with rabies, too. It's like a long, like, inoculation.

[A]

Once you recognize a symptom, it's too late.

[B]

It's too late. Yeah. You need to get the shots in your stomach really quickly. Or at least in the Philippines. That's what we did. You get, like, bit by a dog?

[C]

Yeah, my friend got. Got bit by a rat right before she had to go to Cannes. And she was like, I'm just gonna take the risk because she had a bunch of clients there. But she's fine so far.

[D]

How did she get bit by a rat?

[C]

That's her story to tell. But there was a rat living in her car.

[A]

Oh. They like the. They eat the wax components in cars.

[C]

And I guess Teslas are all made of, like, corn syrup or something, so the rats just can't.

[B]

No one. So rats and Teslas are a thing.

[A]

Hand in hand.

[D]

Shane, are you ready?

[A]

I'm ready.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know if this is too specific. Can I ask about my cat?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Wait. Oh, can I go grab a different deck?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You got a cat deck?

[E]

I do.

[A]

Oh, great.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Can I give context for this?

[E]

Would that be cool? Yeah, of course you can. And I'm gonna go grab this deck. I actually put this in my bag at the very last second today. And I'm like, I don't know. I feel like I need this.

[A]

Oh, perfect.

[E]

My feet are asleep.

[B]

Well, hers are dead.

[A]

Your feet are probably fine relative to whatever.

[D]

I don't know. I don't know what it is.

[C]

Are your feet cold?

[D]

Not right now, but that's because of a condition I have.

[B]

I have sensation. Do you need diabetic foot care? Cause I can help you.

[D]

Do I have sensation in my feet?

[B]

Yeah. Like, could you step on hot coals? And would you feel it?

[C]

Sensation? I feel like girls are not wearing socks a lot of the time and I don't know how they do it.

[D]

I always wear socks. I'm just running warm right now for a specific reason.

[C]

Okay, got it.

[A]

So we have a cat. My wife and I have a cat that's like six, seven years old.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

We found out last July he's got a very rare blood cancer. I know, it was very, it was very sad. And the vet, we took him to like a whole cat oncology place. Sure. And they were like, he's probably got two to four months left. This was last July. So like 14 months ago. He's doing great. We think maybe because it's a cancer that typically very old cats get that because he's still pretty young, that he's.

[C]

Just like fight through it. Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Every day's a gift with him. Cause we were like last July we were like, oh no, we've only got like two or three more months with him. And now every day we're like, yay, he's here again. So. And he doesn't seem to be know having any sort of ill effects from it so far. So how does the next year look for him?

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Did you ask Chatgpt? Give me a question that's gonna make me so wildly likable, so lovable, turn the tables in my favor. Oh, I just.

[A]

I just love my little cat.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I never had a four legged animal before him.

[D]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I never had anything like it, dog.

[A]

Or a cat growing up.

[C]

Yeah, there's nothing like it.

[A]

Like six or seven years ago my wife was like, like, should we get a cat? And she also had never had a cat. And we were like, yeah, it's a pure love. He's great. I love him.

[C]

I'd kill for my dogs. I want to kill for my dogs.

[E]

What about your cat?

[A]

Feels wrong to talk during this part.

[E]

Do you want me to talk and make you feel better.

[B]

Oh, Oh, I see a strawberry somewhere.

[A]

Oh, actually, I feed him straight strawberries.

[E]

I don't think cats like strawberries. I think they're pretty adverse to fruits.

[A]

Is it always how many? Because, like, there's five here.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm curious about the rules of tarot.

[E]

There aren't really rules.

[A]

There's no rules.

[E]

Well, okay, there's some rules that some people follow if you want to, but it's really about a practice that works for you. For me, I kind of let the way that the cards fall determine what type of tarot spread I'm doing. So if they, like, bunch together, I'll keep them in a row. If it separates one, I'll send it off that way. And I kind of just decide in the moment how many and what the vibe is. I'll tell you right off the bat, your cat wants more treats.

[A]

Oh, we can't give him treats. Cause he has, like a. He has, like, a horrible digestive system.

[E]

Well, he wants treats. So maybe there's.

[A]

Literally last night, my wife was like, I wish we could give him treats.

[E]

So something that feels rewarding for him when where he's like, I'm a good boy. I got a treat. This is awesome. Even if it's not like, bag of frisky.

[A]

Sure.

[E]

I use this a lot for reading cats, and they usually want that.

[C]

One always flies out.

[E]

Yeah, it's kind of a consistent heart. Your cat specifically feels loved and safe in his home. He's very happy, and he feels like he has a long time to be here and be safe. So regardless of the outcome, he feels like he has an eternity in a loving home.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[E]

So that's the nice and the sweet part. But again, more treats. And then I would say that his struggle with health is going to be a little longer term than expected. This card is already about things that kind of extend out longer than our expectations go. And then also in a reverse position here, I'd say even more so. So he probably has a longer time than, you know, your vets are saying that he does, but that also could mean eventually, like a prolonged, difficult period.

[A]

Sure.

[E]

So just something to be aware of. He probably will not have the super long normal lifespan of a cat that's got a lot of spunk and fire, but he is going to be very happy, very safe, very loved for longer than anticipated here.

[A]

Wow.

[E]

Is he kind of a dumb cat? No, no, he's pretty smart.

[A]

He's incredibly. I mean, I know what people. Well, no, I Know, a lot of people are like, my cat's an idiot. So I was gonna say. Not everybody says this, but he's. He's pretty clever.

[E]

So you'll know when he's not doing so well.

[A]

Oh. Cause he's.

[E]

When he starts to not be so clever.

[A]

I see.

[E]

So that'll be kind of a sign for you to like, like, pay more attention to how he's doing, what his needs are. Give him more treats. When he starts not being the clever, interesting, spunky cat that he normally is, that'll be closer to the end of his journey.

[A]

Wow. I want to do like a follow up consultation with you. I'll call you when my cat's dead. Hey, my cat died.

[C]

Did we crack you?

[A]

That's incredible. As a skeptic, I find tarot very fascinating because I think it just gives people kind of fodder to think about their lives in an interesting way. Even if I don't necessarily believe it's like supernatural, you know, because you yourself were saying before the show that you're kind of a skeptic.

[E]

I don't think that it's supernatural. So, I mean, there's a lot of different ways that people believe that you get messages from tarot. Some people believe it comes from some sort of entity outside of themselves. That's more of the supernatural take on it. I think it really comes from the reader. And this is a tool to help, like, interpret the future.

[C]

Like your intuition. It's that. Yeah, of course.

[D]

How worried are you about me?

[E]

Not. It pretty much just said, esther, stop. Stop stressing about this. Okay.

[C]

And what do you live your life? And what about me?

[E]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So give us the one sentence for each of our readings.

[E]

Yours says that you need to just allow your life to kind of be and then also decide what you want. Your relationship.

[B]

You know what? Yes.

[D]

What?

[B]

Because, you know, I think what it is with you is a control and micromanage, especially when you have that anxiety. So maybe it's a little bit of a, you know, let go, let God.

[E]

So this thing that's happening is probably gonna be something more mental for you, and it's really not gonna impact your career that much. Be okay, Go out, exist like this, right?

[D]

Like maybe just sort of let go of the anxieties over it.

[B]

You're like little starlet.

[C]

Okay, but oh yeah, her starlet era hasn't even started.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Just wait.

[B]

And she's so worried about it.

[D]

Do starlets itch this much?

[C]

Yeah, Marilyn Monroe, itchy bitch.

[B]

Also Marilyn Monroe, dead feet.

[C]

Yeah, dead feet. Dead dead.

[D]

Everything okay? I feel like I have some direction and I need to quiet the voices.

[C]

Quiet the voices.

[D]

The voices will never quiet.

[B]

What's Clay's one liner?

[E]

Yeah, for you. Everything's gonna be fine. Just take it in stride when something weird happens.

[C]

That's fine. Okay. Weird. Unexpected. Okay, got it.

[E]

No, everything looks good. It's like, all the stuff with your home. Building a home looks fabulous. There's gonna be one moment of, like, absolute chaos.

[C]

Do you feel like rich vibes from me?

[E]

Oh, gosh. I already can't remember the cards I pulled for you.

[C]

But just in general, just by looking at him flip the cat ones, you get rich vibes from me.

[E]

It says you have confrontational vibes.

[C]

Confrontational vibes. Okay. Yeah, well, I think you need that in order to be rich.

[E]

So that answers the question.

[D]

You're gonna have to confront something to get rich. I know.

[C]

What you keep saying, you know, and then you're not saying no.

[D]

Oh, my itchings will tell me that's Esther's thing.

[C]

She literally just, like, scratches, like, her skin off her back and freeze the flakes. Yeah, it's bad.

[B]

Chester has really rapist. Yeah, I'm ready. My one liner.

[E]

You need to reap what you've already sewn and appreciate it and understand that you've actually done it.

[D]

True, true.

[E]

You need to give your cat more treats.

[A]

And I will.

[C]

Wait, can we talk about Sylvia Brown? Do you love her? I'm obsessed with Sylvia Brown.

[B]

Sylvia Brown. I really. I think she was. Was so highly entertaining.

[C]

I'm obsessed with her. What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on Sylvia?

[E]

I'm not sure who you're talking about.

[C]

So she was this psychic that's gone very viral on, like, TikTok and Instagram lately, from the 90s. She used to go on the Montel show, and she literally made everything up. Have you seen the land clip? Okay, so this woman is saying to her, like, you know, there's. I feel a spirit in my house. And who do you think it is? And she'll be like. Like, mmm, it's George and Hazel Pickering. P I C K I R I N G. Look it up in the deed of the house. And the woman will go, well, the house is only 10 years old. The land. How old do you think the land is?

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Immediately. So she's very like, the land. Then she tells one woman, whose woman is like, they never found my husband. And she's like, well, he's underwater, baby. He's underwater. And she goes, she goes, but he died on September 11th in the tower. He was a firefighter. Well, what do you think they put out fires with, dear? She's incredible.

[E]

Oh, my God.

[C]

You should look her up because she's.

[B]

Such a mean bitch.

[C]

Yeah, I did. I dressed up as her. I did, like, a whole, like, hair tutorial as Sylvia Brown. She is everything. Rest in peace. She did predict Covid, but she predicted a lot of things.

[A]

She. This lady sounds incredible.

[D]

I mean, I. To be fair, I predicted Covid.

[C]

Well, you and I were on the wuhan message boards December 2019. Truly, truly feeding each other sicknesses.

[B]

Thank you so much, Nicole. You're incredible.

[C]

Yeah, Nicole, you have beautiful energy, pretty eyeliner, beautiful girl.

[D]

Thank you for being nice to me.

[B]

Where can we find you?

[E]

Everywhere at face site Tarot. That's F A E S I G H T. Like looking for fairies. You can find me anywhere by that handle. I do readings in la. I do them virtually. And I make some pretty crazy educational videos for Tarot. If you want to re. Learn to read Tarot.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Is that something that can be taught?

[E]

Yeah, absolutely. Anyone can read Tarot, I think. Talk to Nicole.

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[D]

Shane, what did you bring today?

[A]

I've brought various ghost hunting devices. This is not one of them.

[B]

Can you point it at her feet?

[A]

See what's going on there?

[C]

The Richter scout is a.

[B]

There's something that inhabits her body, but.

[D]

It doesn't go to the feet.

[B]

The feet are spared somehow.

[D]

A necrophiliac with a foot fetish, if.

[C]

That'S a thing, that's who you need to branch out and meet. That's the person in the shadows that's gonna change your life.

[A]

I've taken this through TSA many times.

[C]

Oh, God. And what do they say?

[A]

You have a lot of questions.

[C]

Yeah, look, it's moving on its own.

[A]

So now I wanted to get back to saying I'm a contrarian, because I. I really don't. Here's the thing. I would love nothing more than to believe in ghosts. I would love to see a ghost. And when I talk to people, you know, we go to all these haunted locations and people are always telling us stories, and I listen for a little bit and then they sort of hone in on my co host who believes in all this, and then I just kind of fade away. I tend to believe that people are not, like, lying, and I think they've seen stuff or believe that they've seen stuff that they think are ghosts. So I'm not, like, saying, you know, I'm not calling into question what. I don't know what this is.

[D]

I'm with you. Where I would love to believe. Yeah, I would love to have that experience where I'm like, oh, this is. This is happening. But it's just.

[C]

Well, so do you think that when we die, it's just over? I mean, I don't believe that at all. I know that there is, like, this is a drop in the bucket of what my soul is going to experience. I know that for a fact. A weird drop, but just a drop.

[D]

This is an unexpected drop.

[C]

You think? Then this is it. It's over.

[D]

I don't want to, you know, upset anyone, so I'll just refrain from answering. I wonder. Yeah, okay. What's that?

[A]

This is a REM pod which detects.

[C]

Temperature fluctuations and does it do gel nails now. One thing I do believe in 100%. Like I'm not, I'm not scared of the like all those like nun movies or Anadol, like that stuff because I didn't grow up like Catholic. Catholic. I grew up seventh heaven Christian. I don't. That stuff doesn't scare me. But what does scare me, what I do believe in is aliens. Do you believe in aliens?

[A]

I actually do believe in aliens.

[C]

Okay, there.

[A]

We've met in the middle, cuz aliens feel to me. And I also like, there's.

[C]

I don't like aliens.

[A]

There's certain, there's certain cryptids that I believe in where I'm like Cryptids? Cryptids, your Bigfoots, those sort of things. Where I'm not necessarily like, I fully believe in this, but I'm like, I see this. There's the possibility that this exists because it's like an animal. It's meat and bubble.

[C]

Do you believe in feral humans? Humans?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean like, like people raised by wolves, sort of.

[C]

That's like Bigfoot, like feral. Like maybe there's like a whole like missing link subset of creatures that are mostly human that hide in the shadows or. I don't think, I guess I was.

[B]

Thinking along the lines of like bath salts and people like.

[A]

Yeah. Sort of the whole thing.

[B]

Biting people.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, well, that's just biters.

[E]

True.

[C]

Okay. I just was wondering. Yeah, I don't know anything.

[D]

We don't know anything about feral humans.

[C]

No.

[A]

This is probably the most entertaining thing of all, which is this allegedly is a device that like picks up various sensors and I don't know if this building is haunted. I don't know the history of this building. Again, I've been Ghost hunting for 10 years, so I'm just sort of primed to like I have to caveat everything with. I don't believe in ghost. But this allegedly picks up up on vibes readings and then I can't take.

[D]

Any more vibes today on myself.

[A]

This translates it into words.

[C]

Oh, this is fun. Okay, this is fun. Now we're talking.

[A]

So this is like a slightly more legitimate version. This is all pseudoscience, but it's a slightly more legitimate version than like those apps on phones.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

This is called an ovilis.

[C]

So this thing is gonna start just like talking about what the vibes are in the room. Yeah.

[A]

And if you believe in ghosts and believe that there are spirits here, you would buy into this being.

[B]

I like this communication.

[C]

Turn it on, turn it on, turn it on.

[B]

Point it at her.

[C]

No, no, no, no. Put it at her feet.

[A]

I'll say right from the jump. It may fire off a few words. I think that's maybe just calibrating.

[C]

And are any other words gonna be, like, problematic or offensive? It's not like, a racist.

[A]

I've never heard it. I've never heard it say anything.

[C]

Okay. I'm trying to make sure.

[D]

Has it ever met a Filipina woman?

[C]

Yeah. I just want to make sure that it's being, like, you know, it's not, like, a homophobic box.

[A]

No, we'll find out. And if so, then we will take it to task. Here we go, Shepherd. Okay.

[B]

Several.

[D]

Baby.

[A]

Okay, now it's sort of quieting down. And you're supposed to interpret these things as if it. I mean, talk to. You can ask questions to whatever spirit is meant to be here.

[C]

Is there anyone around us that's trying to, like, protect us? Like, not even, like, ghosts, but just. Are there any nice spirits around us?

[A]

Linger.

[C]

Okay. Who is here? Who are you?

[A]

The. The ghost people tend to.

[C]

They don't want to reveal themselves.

[E]

Feeling okay.

[C]

So it's not Esther's feet?

[A]

Sometimes they encourage you to introduce yourself. Oh, there's also. Also. I don't know what's going on there. Some blinking on.

[C]

I think the nails are done. You can pull your hands out.

[A]

Creek. Mike Black.

[C]

Mike Black from the creek. Okay. All right.

[D]

I know him.

[C]

You do? You see, on Seventh Heaven.

[D]

I know him very well.

[A]

So now that means pizza's ready.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Who is he?

[D]

He's a comedian.

[B]

Is he alive?

[A]

He's alive.

[D]

Well, how do we know right now?

[C]

Wait. Sad. What?

[A]

Sad puddle.

[C]

Sad puddle. Creek Mike Black. Okay, he needs to be careful around bodies of water. It's sounding like.

[B]

What was that beep?

[A]

Maybe temperature fluctuation.

[C]

Okay, it's not delivery. It's digiorno. Okay. Someone asked what?

[A]

Nana. Nana. Oh, she's really going crazy. Nana myself. Tesla off.

[C]

I mean, I had a Nana.

[A]

Did she drive a Tesla?

[C]

No. They weren't Teslas then, dear. Did someone ask a question?

[D]

I can't.

[B]

I'm frozen.

[A]

Does anyone else want to hold this?

[C]

I'll hold it. Oh, no.

[B]

Go, go.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

My hands are sweating.

[C]

No. Kathy girl, hold it.

[A]

We'll pass it around.

[D]

I'm not gonna hold it.

[C]

Hi, I'm Clay.

[A]

It's good to introduce yourself.

[C]

Yes, I did get the tower card, which I'm not thrilled about. Stars.

[D]

Oh, that was for me?

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. That was all me. Stars. Yes, I'm Surrounded by stars. Oh, wagon.

[B]

Did you hear what Nicole said?

[C]

Wagon Recuse. Hunting.

[A]

Nicole just said the stars is the card that comes after the tower.

[D]

Oh, give it to me. Hi, I'm Esther.

[C]

Deodorant put on.

[D]

What do you feel about me?

[C]

Wash your hair.

[D]

That's really bad. That's okay.

[C]

It's not bad.

[D]

So it's giving nothing for me. Clay gets stars and cold.

[C]

What did it say?

[D]

Statement.

[E]

Cold.

[D]

I wanna be clear that Maximum Planet.

[E]

Whoa.

[C]

Isn't that like one of the Zappa kids name? Like Maximum Planet Zappa.

[D]

Let me ask.

[B]

Let's try to interpret Maximum Planet first.

[C]

To be clear.

[A]

This doesn't have any kind of, like, speech recognition, so it's not hearing what you're saying.

[B]

Hi, I'm. Hi, I'm Kalila. My face is crooked, but, you know, it's healing. What are the vibes?

[A]

There's. There's a lot of silence on ghost hunts.

[C]

I'm sure when you edit it in the show, it's.

[A]

We really do. And people are like, they don't spend enough time. And we're like. We sit in silence for 20, 20 minutes and we're not putting that in the episode.

[B]

I think one of your words that, when you passed it over was canon too.

[D]

Canon.

[C]

Maximum Planet is actually, like, good. No. It feels like horny, doesn't it? It's like Maximum Planet.

[D]

No.

[C]

Yeah. To me, you've got mail.

[A]

That does sound very dial up.

[B]

What's going on there?

[A]

That would probably be a temperature fluctuation.

[C]

Maximum Planet.

[D]

Don't be jealous.

[B]

It's nothing.

[A]

For me, it might be not. You know, sometimes they don't speak.

[D]

Oh, no. She's upset.

[A]

No. Maybe.

[C]

Your socks are cute, Kila. I like those.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Who makes those?

[B]

Target.

[C]

They do. Oh, you going to Target?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. What does the box think about that?

[D]

That.

[B]

What do we think about?

[E]

Target?

[C]

D, E. I too woke.

[B]

Well, this was, you know, before. Yeah, before, of course. Here, I'm gonna hand this back to you.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

Maximum Planet.

[D]

Stars of the podcast. Maximum Planet.

[C]

Maximum Planet, for some reason, is sending me into psychosis. I don't know why those two words are, like, really impacting me.

[D]

Get it tattooed.

[C]

I. I don't know why I'm like, driven to do something now.

[A]

Sometimes. This says phrases that do stick in my mind forever. At one point it said the words Nighttime Dan. And I just. I think. I think about that a lot. Like, that's a real Nighttime Dan over there.

[C]

You know, one time this someone who I'm assuming wasn't well, left a note on my car and the first sentence was regarding mind control. And I have always. I just think about, like, regarding mind control. Mind control all the time. That was this long sort of diatribe.

[D]

You guys also do, like, true crime.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Do you believe in that?

[A]

Do I believe in crime?

[C]

Yes, my love.

[A]

Crime is all around us.

[C]

Wait, what? I can now I can't remember. What was it about? Planet.

[B]

Maximum Planet.

[C]

I need to write that down.

[A]

I figured that's Esther going on a world tour.

[D]

Oh, yeah, World tour to Skokie, baby.

[C]

It also sounds like a brand of, like, paupers to Maximum Planet.

[D]

You have got to slow down over there on the paupers with sexualizing me and my Maximum Planet.

[C]

I'm not willing to.

[B]

Okay, here we go. We're playing Smash or Pass, Cryptids Edition.

[D]

Okay, this is gonna be really good.

[A]

Okay, starting it off.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Are you insane?

[A]

I'm the only dissenting voice here. We've done episodes about Bigfoot, and the thing that always comes up is that Bigfoot, really, it, like, stinks. The one.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, baby. He stinks so good. You ever see Harry and the Hendersons? That woke me. Love Harry and Henderson. As a child, he was hot and I bet he stunk so good.

[D]

His big foot real.

[A]

If I had to put money on it, I'd probably say no, I want Bigfoot to be real. I wanna be clear. The scientific. There was, like, a scientist who described the smell as smegma.

[C]

How old are we talking? Like, one day old smegma or like, stop, stop. I don't know.

[D]

Stop. It's obviously not one day old.

[B]

Do we have any information on what he's packing down there?

[A]

I believe we just did an episode about this. The one. This. The Patterson Gimmel Gimlet footage. Patterson Gimlin, which is the famous, like, Bigfoot Walking. That's a lady because she has breasts.

[B]

Oh, see, I would more likely have a girl with a lady Bigfoot.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, why not?

[A]

It's gonna be a pass for me. Okay.

[C]

Yeah, it's for sure gonna be a smash.

[A]

I get it.

[B]

Smash, baby.

[D]

I'm gonna smash.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Smash all the way. A water creature. That's like the OG Aquaman.

[A]

I think that's good.

[B]

Oh, give me.

[C]

Give me too. Snaky, slippery, wet, sort of going for a ride.

[A]

Very slick, very fun.

[C]

I think you guys are actually sick and wrong, and I think that that's an animal. So you guys are sexualizing an animal.

[A]

I mean, Bigfoot technically also an animal.

[D]

He's Bigfoot is a daddy.

[C]

Yeah. Bigfoot is a hot, stinky, hairy jungleman. And that is literally like.

[B]

Like a brontosaurus.

[C]

Yeah. It's like that's giving like, dino.

[A]

I'm gonna guess that Nessie wouldn't even feel anything.

[C]

You know, Nessie, by smash, I mean.

[B]

Like a cheeky cuddle.

[A]

Oh, I did not mean that.

[B]

And a little romp into water. Just, you know, a nice little lake sesh.

[A]

No insertion.

[C]

Yeah, no insertion.

[B]

There's no insertion with Nessie.

[C]

I wish the Loch Ness Monster ultimately the best.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But I want of let it do its thing.

[D]

Nothing in the water for me.

[B]

You drown.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Yeah. We're all in agreement here.

[A]

Yeah. Hey, even this picture is very alluring.

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

Sort of the red glowing eyes.

[C]

I. I like the yeti.

[A]

What?

[B]

This is a Filipino one.

[D]

What is it?

[B]

I love a thick super smash.

[C]

I do like the size.

[B]

So this is our version of like a centaur kind of where it's like a half horse, half man, but obviously very adorned.

[A]

Where's the man?

[C]

Does it always look pained?

[A]

Are the arms the man.

[B]

The tikbalang actually looks a little bit hotter than this on film.

[C]

In this image, he looks really sad.

[A]

Also, this is the only one who sort of has an outfit. Sort of has a whole look going on.

[B]

Oh, yeah, this guy.

[A]

Oh. Sort of Na' Vi adjacent.

[D]

I think he's too muscular for me, personally.

[C]

There's. There's some things sad about him. It's not for me.

[D]

We really have the same taste.

[C]

I know. Of course we do.

[B]

I cannot pass on my Filipino brethren. So it's super smash for me.

[A]

The Jersey. Oh, no. I'm seeing bat wings.

[C]

I know. We have to worry about rabies.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There's something about that. The size of it I'm intrigued by.

[A]

Cause we need a little like a Twinkie by it for scale. Cause I don't know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Is a Jersey Devil large?

[C]

The way I'm looking at that is that he's about 400ft tall. Is that how you guys are interpreting the.

[A]

He was going like 2ft tall.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Cause of the wings. I don't know.

[C]

It's so funny how we all see things so differently, isn't it? And that's kind of the whole thing.

[B]

I don't like the Jersey Devil because small hands. Little baby hands.

[C]

Yeah. I'm gonna go. I'm say pass.

[D]

There's just like, looks like a sliminess to his skin that I'd prefer fur or.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Is there.

[C]

No, the Legs are hairy.

[A]

It's sort of slick matted fur.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Wet fur.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Pass on the Jersey Devil.

[A]

Everyone's passing, huh? Yeah. This is a Mothman. That's a big yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, and we've got the scale there too.

[C]

Oh, the scale I like. Cause that makes me think of. Remember that cartoon gargoyle?

[A]

Of course.

[C]

That was like Harry and the Hendersons. That movie woke me up too.

[B]

To me, he's very cute.

[D]

To me I picture Mothman flies into my room at night, we cuddle and then I'm like, you know what? Mothman like, I really don't like this one person. And then Motham flies out and then hurts them.

[C]

Oh, I like that.

[B]

Too romantic.

[C]

And you think that he could carry you and fly?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Oh, on night rides.

[C]

Yeah, night rides.

[A]

Two key things to know about Mothman man, before any of you get involved. He is an alleged terrorist. There was a bridge collapse in West Virginia that they many have attributed to Mothman. Who can. He has like psychic abilities. And the other thing which is very worth noting is that there's a. In Point Pleasant, West Virginia, there is a statue of Mothman where he is. It's sort of his home and it has an incredibly sculpted ass. Like, and quick question, like, it looks like a Joel Schumacher in West Virginia.

[C]

Now you're talking my language. Would he do my bidding?

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

Okay. Yeah. Or maybe use fat ass. Psychic terrorist.

[D]

Well, thank you everyone for being here today. Thank you to Shane.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[D]

And Clayton, of course. We love you guys.

[B]

Where can we find you?

[A]

Yeah, I have a YouTube channel. It's called Watcher. Ghost Files is airing right now. We're. We do a 24 hour investigation this season. It's a lot of fun. So that's on YouTube and I'm on Instagram at Shanemidae.

[C]

You can find me on Instagram at Clayton Hawkins and TikTok. It's its Clayton Hawkins and give your home address. Yeah, my new home address.

[D]

I'm on tour. Pretty littlebabytour.com and I'll see you guys there. We'll see you next week with a brand new episode.