We All Secretly Want to be DJs Ft. Dumfoundead & Jenna Jiménez

Summary

Trash Tuesday Episode Summary: "We All Secretly Want to be DJs Ft. Dumfoundead & Jenna Jiménez"

Release Date: November 19, 2024

Hosts: Khalyla Kuhn & Esther Povitsky
Guests: Dumfoundead & Jenna Jiménez

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Introduction: The Hidden DJ Dream

The episode kicks off with Esther Povitsky presenting her intriguing theory: "My theory, everyone secretly wants to be a DJ." [00:00] Khalyla Kuhn immediately concurs, agreeing with Esther's observation about the universal allure of DJing despite society's frequent mockery of DJs. This sets the stage for a candid and humorous exploration of the hosts' personal aspirations and societal perceptions.

Session Updates and Promotions

Esther shares exciting personal updates, including her upcoming shows in Austin, Texas, and her solo podcast, "Group Therapy," where she delves into her most private and chaotic life experiences. [00:05] Additionally, she promotes their affiliate link for Good American jeans, offering listeners a discount code "Trash Tuesday" for $50 off their first pair. [00:05] Khalyla and Jenna respond with enthusiasm, highlighting the multiple facets of Esther’s ventures.

Welcome Back from the Shipwreck Era

Transitioning into their "shipwreck era," the hosts admit that they had a month-long hiatus from filming, leading to feelings of disconnect. [01:18] Khalyla humorously mentions missing Esther, while Jenna adds that Esther was "thriving" despite the break. This segment underscores the dynamic and supportive relationship among the hosts and guests.

Introducing Dumfoundead: A Candid Conversation on Relapse and Recovery

Esther introduces their guest, "Dumbfounded," who candidly shares his struggles with sobriety, admitting to a relapse after two years of sobriety. [02:22] The discussion delves deep into the challenges of maintaining sobriety, the temptations of returning to old habits, and the societal pressures surrounding addiction. Dumfoundead reflects, "I was sober for, like, two years and, like." [02:22] Khalyla and Jenna offer empathetic support, encouraging open dialogue about his experiences.

Navigating Personal Relationships and Financial Pitfalls

The conversation shifts to personal relationships, particularly focusing on the dynamics between Khalyla and her partner, Bobby. [04:27] The hosts discuss Bobby's tendency towards "weaponized incompetence," a tactic where someone feigns inability to handle tasks to avoid responsibility. Khalyla recounts a recent incident involving Bobby's mishap with Zepbound, where he self-administered an incorrect dose, leading to severe vomiting. [08:00] This story highlights the complexities of co-managing health and finances within a relationship.

Scams, Shopping Habits, and Financial Mishaps

Dumbfounded shares a personal story about being scammed on eBay while trying to purchase a classic El Camino. [13:38] He explains how he lost $25,000 to a fraudulent seller but ultimately ended up spending double to secure the car from a legitimate source. Khalyla and Jenna commiserate, sharing their own anecdotes about financial missteps and scams, emphasizing the importance of vigilance and caution in online transactions.

Parenting, Family Trauma, and Cultural Differences

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing family dynamics and the impact of childhood trauma. Dumfoundead recounts his immigrant parents' harrowing journey through the Mexican border, highlighting the violence and instability he witnessed growing up. [37:03] Khalyla adds her perspective on how witnessing her mother's unhappiness and abusive relationship with her father shaped her adult psyche. Jenna echoes these sentiments, stressing the profound effects of parents' unhappiness on their children. The conversation poignantly explores themes of abuse, resilience, and the quest for healthier family relationships.

Nostalgia for Pre-Digital Connections

The hosts reminisce about pre-digital forms of communication and connection, such as party lines and burning CDs. [29:43] Khalyla shares her experiences with party lines, where she connected with others in her youth, highlighting the transient yet impactful nature of these interactions. Esther nostalgically remarks, "These are the lost things of the cell phone generation," [52:29] underscoring a longing for simpler times of interpersonal connectivity.

The DJ Dream: Desire vs. Reality

Returning to Esther's initial theory, the hosts engage in a humorous yet insightful debate about DJing. Esther reiterates her point, emphasizing that society's ridicule of DJs is rooted in a collective desire to partake in their perceived glamour and control over music. [55:31] Khalyla reflects on her own DJ dreams, mentioning how she once aspired to DJ but eventually let go of that ambition. Jenna shares her reservations about DJing, citing a dislike for the loud environment and technical aspects. The discussion underscores the universal allure of DJing as an accessible yet misunderstood aspiration.

Personal Growth and Future Aspirations

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts discuss personal growth and future aspirations. Khalyla reveals her intention to reignite her DJing career, while Esther humorously acknowledges her begrudging respect for DJs. [60:39] Dumfoundead talks about his efforts to maintain family ties despite past trauma, illustrating his ongoing journey towards healing and reconciliation.

Conclusion: Embracing Authenticity and Community

The episode wraps up with a heartfelt reaffirmation of the Trash Tuesday community's bond. Esther thanks the listeners, affectionately addressing them as "sluggies," and encourages them to tune in for future episodes. [61:03] The hosts leave the audience with a sense of camaraderie, emphasizing the importance of authenticity, mutual support, and embracing one's true self amidst life's chaos.

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Notable Quotes

• Esther Povitsky: "Everyone secretly wants to be the DJ. And that's why, as a society, we attack the DJ, we make fun of, we berate the DJ, but it's because we all want to be the DJ." [00:00]

• Dumbfounded: "I relapsed. You know, so what? I was sober for, like, two years and, like." [02:26]

• Khalyla Kuhn: "I sorted of felt like I was definitely on that path in my twenties, and the only thing that stopped me, and if it wasn't for this, I probably would have still been like heavily drinking." [04:47]

• Esther Povitsky: "The most powerful drug on the market is motherhood. It will fuck you up and shift you and change you." [33:46]

• Esther Povitsky: "These are the lost things of the cell phone generation." [52:29]

• Esther Povitsky: "I was just saying, how was I attracted to that? Like, because you create this thing in your head based around the voice. And then when you see it in real life, you just." [26:48]

• Jenna Jiménez: "I love season one." [61:22]

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Trash Tuesday provides an unfiltered glimpse into the lives of Esther and Khalyla, enriched by their guests' candid revelations and shared experiences. From personal struggles with addiction and family trauma to nostalgic reflections on past communication methods and aspirations to DJing, the conversation weaves a tapestry of humor, vulnerability, and resilience. Listeners are left with a deeper understanding of the hosts' journeys and a reinforced sense of community within the Trash Tuesday family.

Transcript

[Esther Povitsky]

My theory, everyone secretly wants to be.

[Kalilah]

A dj, but I think you're absolutely right.

[Esther Povitsky]

Let's give her a round of applause. And that's why, as a society, we attack the dj, we make fun of, we berate the dj, but it's because we all want to be the dj. Hi, Slugs. I am so excited that next week I'm going to be in Austin, Texas, November 22nd and 23rd doing shows at Cap City. You can get tickets at the link in the description. I cannot wait to see you guys. Oh, wait. And then also, Slugs, I have a solo podcast and it is called Group Therapy. And I am discussing all of my inner, most private, most horrid yet lovely life things and going zans. And you can check that out at the link in the description or go to Esther's grouptherapy.substack.com I can't wait to see you there. I'm so excited. You guys can shop [e-mail] or click our link in the description right here below and use promo code trash Tuesday. For $50 off your first pair, don't forget to select podcast at checkout and choose our show to let them know we sent you 50 off at Good American using Trash Tuesday.

[Kalilah]

That's a lot.

[Jenna]

That's amazing.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, hello and welcome back to the Shipwreck series of Trash Tuesday. We're in our shipwreck era. Heard of it?

[Kalilah]

No one's doing well.

[Jenna]

Absolutely not.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm actually a little bit on the up, which is. I actually take it back because I don't even want to say that I didn't.

[Kalilah]

Well, no, say it, because you have to live in the up.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's just we went like a month without. We went like a little bit without filming, and in that time, she was bad. We both went into a different case.

[Kalilah]

He missed me.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's what's. That's what it's looking like.

[Kalilah]

I try to facetime you every other day.

[Esther Povitsky]

You do, and you do a great job.

[Jenna]

But she's.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's. It's about the osmosis. It's about the air particles.

[Kalilah]

Can I tell you that Jenna came over and tweezed my shin hairs and look how great she's doing.

[Esther Povitsky]

Look at me.

[Jenna]

I'm. Honestly, I gotta say, I'm thriving. I was doing very badly for two.

[Kalilah]

Years, and now she's the only one that's doing well. And I don't understand it because she was shipwrecked.

[Jenna]

I was. I was the.

[Kalilah]

She was like death.

[Esther Povitsky]

We need to introduce Our guest, because he's not talking, and I fear it's.

[Dumbfounded]

Oh, no, no. I'm just soaking it in.

[Kalilah]

If you say you're doing well.

[Dumbfounded]

I'm doing what, y'all? I relapsed. You know, so what? I was sober for, like, two years and, like.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, is that right?

[Dumbfounded]

Two months ago. But it's okay.

[Kalilah]

No, we'll talk if we're open to talking about it.

[Jenna]

So you're drunk right now or what?

[Dumbfounded]

No, no, no, I'm not drunk right now, but I have been drinking again. Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Welcome back to the show. Dumbfounded.

[Dumbfounded]

Hey.

[Kalilah]

Rapper everything. Oh. Writer on Beast.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Actor in my movie Drugstore June. He's so good.

[Dumbfounded]

Thank you.

[Jenna]

And he's fine.

[Kalilah]

Jenna's been saying that for years, though.

[Jenna]

Thank you.

[Kalilah]

When we used to record at even be.

[Dumbfounded]

I think the first time we did Tiger Belly, we were there.

[Kalilah]

Yeah. And gentlemen.

[Jenna]

Did I say that too?

[Kalilah]

I remember.

[Jenna]

Yep. Ben. Fine.

[Dumbfounded]

Sick.

[Jenna]

Sick.

[Dumbfounded]

Driving.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, what do you mean, you relapsed?

[Dumbfounded]

No, I just. I just, you know, started drinking again and kind of. Yeah. I mean, I was sober, clean. Clean for, like, two years.

[Jenna]

Wow.

[Kalilah]

What was the. Why did you choose to get sober? Like, did your life, like, sort of come undone?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, I was just. I was. I was drinking a lot for. I mean, for a really long time, you know, and then just the last year before I went sober, I was getting kind of crazy, and I had to, like, chill out and. But now that I'm back drinking again, it's not as crazy, you know, it's like moderation. But I do want to get back on it.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Coming back to it, though, was that, like a. I'm in a terrible place. I'm gonna take this drink or. Sorry, that's like a really insane.

[Dumbfounded]

No, no, it was like a celebratory thing and. And, you know, I was in a good traveling and, you know how to drink and then kind of slowly get. Got back into it, you know?

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

So you felt like you were probably in a better place and could manage it.

[Dumbfounded]

I think so. I think so.

[Esther Povitsky]

That sounds like me. When I went off my Lexapro and I was wrong. And this is a PSA for Lexapro.

[Jenna]

And now she's back.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. I mean, it could start gaining traction and start drinking a lot again. So I gotta, like, chill out and, like, you know.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

You know, I sort of felt like I was definitely on that path in my twenties, and the only thing that stopped me, and if it wasn't for this, I probably would have still Been like heavily drinking. So I started to literally shit blood. Like your. My body was like, bitch, you're done. Like, you are absolutely done. I was so uncomfortable, like.

[Jenna]

And I used to go pick up your suppositories.

[Kalilah]

Thank you for validating my experience. I had to. I remember the Mesalamine. Yeah, I'm like jumping.

[Jenna]

I don't know what it is. You just told me, look, these need to stay cold. This is where you need to get them. It was like a drug deal.

[Kalilah]

She would refrigerate, like in transport. She would have to refrigerate my suppositories that I would stick up my butt cuz I was like bleeding.

[Dumbfounded]

She's like your caretaker, you know.

[Jenna]

Oh, she's everyone. Esther would be dead.

[Esther Povitsky]

I would not.

[Jenna]

Donut. Esther only brought donuts so I could take care of her.

[Kalilah]

You don't have an emotional support human, like someone you travel with, someone that you just knowing they're somewhere.

[Dumbfounded]

I, you know, I. When I was touring a lot, I always toured with my D dj and he was kind of the responsible one. For a long time I didn't know how to do simple things like check into a flight and stuff like that. Because I always had somebody. I was just like. I was like a child. I was a child. I mean, I was touring since I was like 15 years old, you know.

[Kalilah]

Man, you and Bobby are. I used to think you guys are very different. Now I'm finding out that first thing.

[Jenna]

I thought of when he said that.

[Kalilah]

And they like hang out every day now, so they're.

[Dumbfounded]

I don't do cooking. I don't. I don't. You know, I ordered, I ordered. I've been eating out for, I don't clean years.

[Kalilah]

You know, him and Bobby are the only like two.

[Jenna]

I'm also.

[Dumbfounded]

Bobby's emotional, supported, you know.

[Kalilah]

But one time I left a town for two days in San Francisco.

[Jenna]

And it was like after y'all had been dating for like six years or.

[Kalilah]

Something, Jenna found Bobby alone in the dark in his room. Hypoglycemic, like, no sugar. Dying, like rotting dying. And I. Because I was like, jenna, can you check on Bobby? Like, I don't know what's going on with him. She goes there and she was like, hey, Bobby, can I help you? He was like, I don't know what to do.

[Jenna]

I knock on the door. No one answers. Luckily I had his key. I go in, I'm like, bobby, Bobby. No answer. And then I just hear in here. And I'm like, what? I go into his room, dark. It's like 2pm, 3pm he's just in his bed, like catatonic, and he's like, I don't know what to do when Kalila's gone. What do I do?

[Esther Povitsky]

Okay, but no, this is what you guys do. My mom does this too. You guys make. Make the man unable to live.

[Kalilah]

Esther, this is your playbook. I followed by the way you literally. When I first met you, you literally told me to my face, make them so they cannot live without you.

[Esther Povitsky]

Did I say that?

[Kalilah]

Yes. You were like, you have to set it up so they will die without you.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't remember saying that.

[Kalilah]

And also another thing I remember. Make sure that you find a boyfriend with no family, with no mom in laws.

[Esther Povitsky]

I've changed. I've changed. I just want to. I've changed.

[Dumbfounded]

Well, I think Bobby has that thing that a lot of parents have where they don't want to figure out the thing on their own. Like, they don't want to learn the thing. Like, my parents don't want to figure out tech, you know?

[Jenna]

Yeah. They're like, no, it's just too. It's too much. I can't.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Isn't. Isn't that weaponized incompetence?

[Dumbfounded]

I was gonna say he has that. I was looking for the word, but I think he has weaponized incompetence.

[Kalilah]

Oh, I. Cuz. I mean, I can. I. Do you know about the Ozempic drama?

[Dumbfounded]

No.

[Kalilah]

Do you know about the Ozempic drama?

[Esther Povitsky]

No.

[Kalilah]

The Ozempic drama is this. I had helped him get approved for Zepbound with our doctor. Doctor for a Monday.

[Jenna]

Don't say his name because then everyone's gonna want him and then we're gonna have less appointments.

[Kalilah]

Oh, he's your doctor too?

[Jenna]

Yes.

[Kalilah]

Okay. That's right. And so for a Monday, that Wednesday before that Monday, Bobby tells his assistant, I can't wait. I need to start it today. I don't know why he needed to start it on a Wednesday, but, you know, Bobby's so, like, can be very manipulative. And if he wants something, he wants something.

[Jenna]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't. I need it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Kalilah]

Exactly. Like, get me black market shit. I don't care. I wasn't aware of this. And apparently she finds a nurse to come over and give him a vial and says, Here's 2 milligrams. He thinks 2 milligrams is the whole. Is the dose. So he draws out the entire thing, shoots himself up with 2 milligrams when he's supposed to start at 0.25.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

And then starts vomiting for every 30 minutes. Projectile calls me. He has shows in San Francisco. Sold out shows in San Francisco. And he's like, I don't know what to do. I'm vomiting every 30 minutes. I have to send over an IV nurse to give him Zofran, and. Because he's basically gonna die.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

And that's. That's him. It's like, when was this? Like, three weeks.

[Jenna]

Very recently.

[Esther Povitsky]

Are you serious?

[Kalilah]

He's probably really skinny now from.

[Esther Povitsky]

Why? So he just.

[Jenna]

Bobby comes back, he looks, like, dumb.

[Dumbfounded]

I want to see skinny Bobby. I'm kind of excited to see.

[Esther Povitsky]

So Bobby is on Ozempic.

[Kalilah]

Well, I ratted him out to his doctor. To our doctor. And I was like. Because he was like, if you tell Dr. K what I did, I'm never gonna speak to you again. I'm like, he needs to know. And so I ratted him out. And I think they're figuring out not Ozempic, but Zepbound.

[Esther Povitsky]

What's the difference?

[Kalilah]

It's just a different brand. Like marketing. Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I love medical tattletailing. I just. I think that's the best, highest form of tattletail.

[Kalilah]

Did I just rig hipaa, you think?

[Esther Povitsky]

No. By the way, HIPAA doesn't exist in my world. Okay. We don't need hipaa.

[Kalilah]

No Hippocratic oath here.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, no, I mean, there's some, like. I've done some skin.

[Kalilah]

What's your skin? Tell me.

[Dumbfounded]

I've done a Botox thing before.

[Kalilah]

But you know what? That's the greatest move in Korea, though, because you save thousands of dollars when you get any cosmetic thing done there.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, I did micro needling. I put the salmon DNA on my. You know.

[Jenna]

Salmon, salmon.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

I go crazy.

[Kalilah]

Can you tell us everything?

[Jenna]

Yeah, I'm afraid of Botox.

[Dumbfounded]

It's that I really like it microneedling. And then you, like, put in a salmon sperm, like, thing all over your face.

[Esther Povitsky]

Are you actually 72?

[Dumbfounded]

I don't know. Like, I.

[Jenna]

With the skin, doesn't know because he doesn't probably know his birthday.

[Dumbfounded]

Like, it's hard and, like, not be into it. You know, my parents. I mean, my mom's, like, super into the skin stuff. So, like, I'll go and I'll go with my mom, and we go, like, back to back.

[Jenna]

So she tells you what to do?

[Dumbfounded]

She tells me about it. She, like, sends me a thing, and then I have, like, a bunch of Korean homegirls who do skin stuff. So I go to them and I'm like, yo, let me get that. I'll post a thing for you and she'll do it for me.

[Jenna]

Put us in the group chat.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, can you put us on a group chat?

[Dumbfounded]

You guys got great skin though. All you guys.

[Kalilah]

Well, my eczema just started flaring up today. I don't know, but thank you.

[Jenna]

Yeah, thank you.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. I feel like you looked at me last, so I won't even really respond.

[Jenna]

He was looking at donuts.

[Esther Povitsky]

Let's just move. We'll keep the ball rolling.

[Jenna]

What do you know how to do on your own like that you've learned?

[Kalilah]

What don't you know how to do? Do you know how to write a check?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, I know how to write a check.

[Esther Povitsky]

The one you know?

[Dumbfounded]

No, but I have a business manager who does everything, so I don't handle any bills.

[Kalilah]

Did you open your own bank account?

[Dumbfounded]

No.

[Kalilah]

Okay, what would you do? Where? How would you go about opening account like every month?

[Dumbfounded]

I don't handle anything. Like I have a business dude who does it.

[Esther Povitsky]

Do you get mail?

[Dumbfounded]

Like if he wanted to just steal money from me, he totally could and get away with it.

[Esther Povitsky]

You're just letting everyone know, do you.

[Jenna]

Need another business manager?

[Dumbfounded]

No, I trust him.

[Jenna]

I trust him how I needed it.

[Dumbfounded]

Ultimately, you're gonna have to have somebody on your team that you can trust. Cuz anyone can you over.

[Jenna]

Yeah, that's true.

[Esther Povitsky]

See, my. My business manager is my dad, but he is an 81 year old compulsive gambler. So it seems like it's a good idea, but it really might not be.

[Jenna]

You're actually a millionaire family either.

[Kalilah]

Sometimes you can't. But I would say, Esther, you're a hawk. Like I don't think anyone gets away with anything.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I would be so afraid to even take a penny from you.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's such an insult.

[Jenna]

It's so like even just because you would look at me and even. I just have a question. I was just wondering because you're suspicious too. So even if you don't do something, I would be scared that she would think that I was actually even possibly gonna do something.

[Esther Povitsky]

You have to. This.

[Jenna]

You.

[Esther Povitsky]

You show all receipts every time.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

I think, Esther, you're the most unscammable person in this room.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Kalilah]

And you're maybe the most scammable person.

[Dumbfounded]

I've gone scammed.

[Kalilah]

You have.

[Dumbfounded]

I've gotten multiple times. But my most recent scam is so embarrassing. I haven't even talked about it yet. This is like, three months ago. I got scammed like a boomer for, like, I got. I haven't talked about. This is embarrassing, because my friends are going to probably see this, and they're.

[Jenna]

Going to be like, okay, we're here.

[Dumbfounded]

So I was going to buy a classic car, like an El Camino.

[Kalilah]

Like, that's my dream car. What year?

[Dumbfounded]

El Camino, right now. I bought that car. But before I bought this new car, I was on ebay and I saw a classic car that, like, and. And I won the bid. It was like, for $25,000 or whatever. And then I'm communicating with this guy, and he was like, this guy a few cities up north in California, and he's gonna ship it. But I sent them the money, and.

[Kalilah]

They just disappeared without verifying anything.

[Dumbfounded]

I didn't verify shit.

[Esther Povitsky]

And what happened?

[Dumbfounded]

It's done. I lost the money. And I looked it up, and I found a Reddit post that this. This company was scamming motherfuckers.

[Kalilah]

Wait a second.

[Dumbfounded]

Because if I just typed in the company on Google, the first search result was this Reddit post about the scam.

[Esther Povitsky]

I have a. I don't blame you.

[Kalilah]

For this because I'm angry.

[Dumbfounded]

It's so embarrass. It's embarrassing.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, because ebay, you. When you're bidding on ebay, you trust it. I would never have thought to Google the seller. That's crazy.

[Kalilah]

Did it. What was it a verified seller? Did it.

[Jenna]

Is there not seller protection, buyer protection?

[Dumbfounded]

I didn't know about none of that shit.

[Jenna]

So that's where I would feel the most embarrassed if I were you.

[Kalilah]

It is.

[Dumbfounded]

I'm embarrassed. And this worst part is I still wanted the car, so I ended up spending double on the thing. So I actually bought a car from a legit homie who was selling it. So I spent 50k on 25.

[Jenna]

But I respect that because at least you have the car now and not. And you just, like, don't buy the car.

[Dumbfounded]

That was my. That was my pride. I had to, like, actually follow through with the trans.

[Jenna]

You were gonna be so salty if you did it.

[Dumbfounded]

No, it would. It would have hurt.

[Kalilah]

Wait a second, guys.

[Jenna]

I feel like you can still get your money back.

[Kalilah]

Let's back up.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, I reported it and everything. Like, the bank fraud, all that stuff. You know, I heard the money and then it was like, you know, it's fraud, like, but they couldn't do nothing.

[Kalilah]

Who do you call when you're like, I got. You just called your bank and you're.

[Dumbfounded]

Like, I called my business manager, right?

[Jenna]

See, that's.

[Dumbfounded]

I called it. And he, you know, usually if I make a wild transaction, like, he would flag it me about it, you know, but, like, I just went around, you know, behind him and did it, and it was embarrassing. That's why I can't do nothing without him.

[Kalilah]

This is not quite the same because he didn't lose $25,000, but I remember a time when Bobby spent approximately, let's say, two grand on Instagram targeted ads. And it's like, look at this. He's like, babe, look at this. It's like a new clothing brand. And everything legitimately looked nice. I was like, whoa, those are really nice pants.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Turned out he gets it in the mail. Turns out it's all children's clothing. He didn't stop to check that it was a company that sold. But the pants, you know, they're not true to size in the photographs. So we got, like, a large of.

[Esther Povitsky]

Just, like, kid pants. You have it.

[Dumbfounded]

He's a shopping fool. Like, I went to New York and I went to a shop, like, buying some clothes, and he was like, oh, the. The shop owner was like, what do you do? I'm in entertainment. It's like, oh, yeah. Bobby Lee was here two weeks ago. He bought out, like, half the store. And he was just trying to get you.

[Kalilah]

He loves shopping.

[Dumbfounded]

That motherfucker loves shopping.

[Esther Povitsky]

He was. The store owner was just trying to get you to compete with Bobby.

[Dumbfounded]

I was like, I'll take this whole story.

[Kalilah]

Remember, also, he is not. He does not discriminate. He'll buy very expensive things and fast fashion.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kalilah]

Like, the targeted ads are all for bobby. Like, the 999 little, like, big slippers. He'll buy them.

[Dumbfounded]

He spends a lot of money on, like, designer homeless chic.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, that's his vibe.

[Dumbfounded]

The Golden Goose shoes and all of that.

[Kalilah]

But that's so cheugy now, right?

[Dumbfounded]

I don't. I don't. I never was into it. He loves that shit.

[Kalilah]

He still does.

[Dumbfounded]

Like, on top of that, I'm really bad with money. Like, I have a crypto wallet right now that I lost the password to that.

[Jenna]

What?

[Dumbfounded]

That has $30,000.

[Jenna]

Do you want me to have the way.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's probably double that by now.

[Dumbfounded]

Flipped my. No, I. You could see the thing. You could go to ether scan and see how much is in there. It's 30k.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's a hot week for crypto.

[Dumbfounded]

I flipped my whole house to find this 12 seed 12 word, seed, phrase, thing. Can't find it. It's done.

[Jenna]

I'm listening here. Listen here. If I can get you in, I'll.

[Dumbfounded]

Give you a thousand dollars.

[Jenna]

A thousand? If I can get you your 30.

[Dumbfounded]

How much do you want for this?

[Jenna]

Like, 16.

[Kalilah]

Jenna, find out what car he tried to buy on ebay and then post it and then scam him again. Wait, isn't Steffi really good with money?

[Dumbfounded]

She is. Oh, my God, she's so cheap. Yeah. And she's frugal.

[Kalilah]

I mean, she had a show called Cash Cuties.

[Dumbfounded]

Yes, yes.

[Kalilah]

That I was on. And they break down your expenses for the month.

[Jenna]

Whoa.

[Kalilah]

And she did that. I did that show with her. And she's one of your best friends. I imagine she probably just wants to rip her head. Her hair off when she hears this shit.

[Dumbfounded]

I. Yeah, I don't tell her about it. I haven't told her about it.

[Jenna]

I think that's what he was embarrassed about saying.

[Esther Povitsky]

Stephanie is who I buy my apples from.

[Kalilah]

Really?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. She works the little farmers market, you know, apple booth.

[Kalilah]

That's so cute.

[Esther Povitsky]

She's my apple friend.

[Kalilah]

That's so cute how, like, we all know each other in, like, different ways.

[Jenna]

This is a community.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's community getting there.

[Dumbfounded]

And she's trying to make a little extra money on the side. She's just trying to stack, you know.

[Kalilah]

Apples is the way to go. What kind of apples?

[Esther Povitsky]

Honey crisp for me.

[Kalilah]

Wow.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

I wouldn't have, like, pegged you as a honey crisp.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. No, only I would think you're, like.

[Jenna]

A pink lady off.

[Dumbfounded]

Like, I won't. I don't think I'll ever be a farmer's market guy. No, I love the concept, but it's like, I don't.

[Jenna]

It's not a concept. It's a real thing.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, I love the idea of, like, I'm gonna take my bag and get a baguette, like, sticking out of the bag. And it's like. It's so cool. But, like, that's not, you know, like, I don't be cooking. Like, why would.

[Esther Povitsky]

What are you doing on Sunday morning instead?

[Dumbfounded]

Like, I. I like, you know, work out and, like, hike. I like. I like hiking and, you know, I like cold plunging. You know, that's like. It's like a very dude thing, you know?

[Kalilah]

But I will say, like, farmers market, it doesn't have to be stuff you cook. Like, I go with Jean to the Larchmont one, and he gets eucalyptus, like, every week. He gets really good sourdough. I Mean, it doesn't have to be cookable thing.

[Dumbfounded]

Gina's will. Very well rounded man.

[Kalilah]

He is. But you know what? He did still call me when he has to cook something, and he was like, how do I cook the salmon in the rice cooker? You know, because you can steam it and stuff.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

But yeah, like, during grape season, I just go and get three pounds every Sunday, you know?

[Kalilah]

You have a good grape hookup?

[Jenna]

I do.

[Kalilah]

And it's the hot guy.

[Jenna]

It is the hot guy.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Who's also Asian, which do I have a thing.

[Kalilah]

We have a picture of him. You sent me a picture of him, like, yeah, at the grape stand.

[Jenna]

And you know what? He just started watching this podcast. So what?

[Kalilah]

My face is crooked now, but it won't be forever.

[Dumbfounded]

Watching a podcast of, like, a crush is, like, getting some good intel. You know what I mean?

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

Like, when I was a teenager, do you remember, like, Zanga? It was like a blog thing on site where people would input, like, diary entries and stuff on their page. And this was early on, early 2000s. And I remember middle school, like, my crush would, like, put diary entries and she didn't know, like, I knew her link, so I'd find out all her, like, deep in her secrets.

[Kalilah]

What did you find out?

[Dumbfounded]

Just little things of what she liked and stuff. So, like, when I got her a little gift, it was like, exactly. I knew what she liked, you know?

[Esther Povitsky]

But see, I like that that translated to today is like, it's scary, isn't it?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. It's actually not respecting their boundaries.

[Jenna]

I really liked that at first. And then you said that.

[Dumbfounded]

That's true. It's like, all of a sudden, you from on Netflix or something.

[Esther Povitsky]

The greatest moment of my life is, like, early on in me and Dave's relationship, he had listened to a podcast I did with Eliza Schlesinger talking about Yankee Candles, and then he got me Yankee. I know now I would never. But at the time. Okay, it was a different time. It was a different time.

[Kalilah]

Yankee Candles did have their moment.

[Esther Povitsky]

They did.

[Jenna]

Where a snickerdoodle, like, bath and body works time.

[Kalilah]

Yes.

[Jenna]

Okay. Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

You have to remember, I'm a little older than you.

[Jenna]

Are you?

[Esther Povitsky]

No, you're older than me.

[Dumbfounded]

Wait, how old are you guys?

[Jenna]

72.

[Kalilah]

I'm 40.

[Jenna]

I'm 36. 37.

[Esther Povitsky]

We never celebrated. Or I guess you got a co celebration with jewels.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

40 is a big deal, right?

[Kalilah]

40 is a big deal. And I. And I didn't think that it would matter so much, but you know what? I did, which I think is a life hack. My whole year of being 39, I told people I was 40 to kind of prepare myself for, like, the heartache. So by the time I did, like, you know, I practiced saying I was 40 before I turned 40. And it helps because then you're like, okay, here I am.

[Esther Povitsky]

But then you missed out on 39.

[Kalilah]

But 39 is so.

[Jenna]

Yeah, true.

[Esther Povitsky]

Okay.

[Kalilah]

I feel like you're right. My plan is because I haven't been able to celebrate my big 40th birthday because of my face paralysis. I'm gonna make 41 my big thing. So next year, I'm gonna have, like, a big 41.

[Jenna]

That's dope.

[Dumbfounded]

I want to do a big 40th birthday.

[Jenna]

What are you.

[Dumbfounded]

I'm 38, but I'm turning 39 in February.

[Kalilah]

You're gonna big. You're gonna do a big 38?

[Dumbfounded]

No, no. Big 40th.

[Kalilah]

Big 40. Yeah. You have to.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

Maybe I'll do a big 37 just because that's what's closest and I want to copy you.

[Kalilah]

Are you a big. You're not a big birthday celebration?

[Jenna]

No.

[Kalilah]

I hate it. She hides. You hide.

[Jenna]

She hides. And when I text her, like, so grateful for you, she's like, okay, are you coming over next week?

[Dumbfounded]

Thumbs up your text.

[Jenna]

It's not even barely, but how are.

[Esther Povitsky]

You feeling about 40? Like, any other insights you can share? Is it not a big deal, or is there just. It's too much going on with your face that you can't.

[Kalilah]

It's too much going on with my face.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, I think I wasn't able to, like, you know, every day I wake up, which is kind of fucked. Okay, here's the thing. I know we're all, like, obsessed with, like, Botox and, like, dude, so half of my face is legitimately paralyzed. Right. So it's like I got Botox on one side.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

From, like, here to here. And now that I've had this, I am terrified of Botox. Like, I will never get that again.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

I hate the feeling of it not moving.

[Jenna]

See, I'm terrified of Botox. And this is just like.

[Kalilah]

Well, then don't get it.

[Jenna]

But it's like, it looks so good.

[Kalilah]

It does look good. It does.

[Dumbfounded]

I can't really tell. You have this thing, which tells me, like, are you just not as expressive regularly look here? Yeah. I mean, but she's not saying, you.

[Jenna]

Know, it's just smiling like this. That's because half of her face isn't working.

[Kalilah]

Yeah. And Then my eye won't close. I showed you earlier.

[Dumbfounded]

That's crazy.

[Kalilah]

You saw that eye?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. It's kind of cool.

[Kalilah]

Oh, thank you.

[Esther Povitsky]

Can I. Where can I get it? Actually? Really? But no, I know someone who, like, it's a thing where people get Botox and then their face gets paralyzed. So you're not wrong to fear that now.

[Kalilah]

Oh, so that's a thing?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Oh, God, no. Never. Then.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I don't think it's a temper. It's like a. It's a temporary thing. Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Because Botox only lasts for, like, three months, Right.

[Dumbfounded]

Bobby always roast me for not having, like, an upper lip, you know?

[Kalilah]

He doesn't have any.

[Dumbfounded]

I saw his photo. I'm like, he doesn't have a fucking.

[Kalilah]

Wait, you have the same similar lips to him.

[Jenna]

You have. No, you have lips. It's just that, cuz, look, when you close your mouth, it's there. It's just that it goes. There's. It's angled. You have a lip.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. All right.

[Kalilah]

Yeah. I'm not sure if I'm necessarily looking at men's lips.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I didn't notice your lips at all.

[Dumbfounded]

Bobby's staring at me.

[Esther Povitsky]

He's obsessed with men's lips and asses.

[Jenna]

I notice.

[Esther Povitsky]

I notice it when I'm around him. You pay attention. He's always commenting on men's bodies, their asses and their lips.

[Kalilah]

You're so right. He never comments on women's bodies.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, he needs to. He needs to start commenting on women's bodies.

[Dumbfounded]

My God, that is so true.

[Esther Povitsky]

To prove something. I don't know, something.

[Jenna]

I notice hands and, like, overall face and vibe, but not features and lips and definitely not asses of men on men's bodies. More, actually.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. That's common for women.

[Kalilah]

I think my number one thing in anyone I'm gonna be attracted to is voice. And I tried to test this theory. I'm like, truly, how important is someone's voice to me? Because I've been saying that my whole life, Right? So I dated a guy with a very squeaky voice because he was, like, cute and he was, like, good looking. And I just. I tried so hard. And every day when he was like, good morning sleep.

[Jenna]

I was like, oh, oh, oh, that sounds like Stevie.

[Kalilah]

I. I couldn't do it. So I think that I am very shallow in that way.

[Jenna]

How's my voice?

[Dumbfounded]

That's a good voice.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, that's good.

[Jenna]

Thank you.

[Esther Povitsky]

Ew. Instant turn off for me.

[Jenna]

Good.

[Dumbfounded]

Bobby has a nice voice.

[Kalilah]

Incredible.

[Dumbfounded]

Very, very distinct.

[Kalilah]

When I talked to him on the phone for the first time. I was like, ooh, this is nice. Go ahead, Esther.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, I was just gonna say that I think you can really get tricked, though, by a good voice. Because I've been in that situation where, you know, you're in high school, junior high, and there's a group of guys hanging out. You're on the phone, then you meet one over the phone, and you're like, he sounds hot. And then in person, you're like, you. You feel like you betrayed yourself.

[Jenna]

Like, voice fished well, you just.

[Esther Povitsky]

You're like, how was I attracted to that? Like, because you create this thing in your head based around the voice. And then when you see it in real life, you just.

[Kalilah]

But, Esther, this isn't Love is Blind. Like, I am like, you know, we're not behind pods.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm just saying you need to be careful. Okay.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. And I had one of those experiences in high school. We can bleep his name out, but his name was. He was this really, what I thought was like a really dreamy sounding cholo on the phone. Because we would do that, right? They'd give each other's numbers and be like, hey, is my mom.

[Jenna]

And you talk like for hours.

[Kalilah]

I talked to him for seven hours. The first night we didn't sleep. We were on the phone. And when I met him, I was like, oh, shit, like, he's missing some teeth. But you're right. We stayed friends. But you're right. Like, you can, you know Klila. Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

The other day I got my new jeans in the mail, and Jenna happened to be over, and I go, jenna, I just got new jeans. You want to come watch me try them on? Of course. She ran downstairs. How good?

[Jenna]

So good.

[Esther Povitsky]

My Good American jeans. Their Always fits jeans are so, so good. It goes from a span of like 4 or 5 sizes per jean. So you can, you know, if you're. Maybe your weight fluctuates.

[Kalilah]

It does.

[Esther Povitsky]

It does be doing that. And then you want to be, you know, having jeans that you can wear throughout all your weights. This Always Fits Good American Jeans. I cannot believe they're a sponsor. And I cannot believe the deal they're giving our audience. Like, these are my favorite jeans I've ever worn.

[Jenna]

Don't they have a whole line of always fit stuff?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, they do.

[Jenna]

So good.

[Esther Povitsky]

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[Jenna]

Remember when we used to talk on the phone for hours? Did you all do that with, like, your friends and you knew their parents phone numbers and like, hey, is Trey there? And you would just, like, speak.

[Dumbfounded]

I ran up the phone bill like a crazy amount. Or like you call a crush. And you had the other homie, like, on the. On the line too. Like.

[Jenna]

Yes, I used to be the other. I used to be the other.

[Dumbfounded]

I forgot why we did that. Like, there was a reason we did that.

[Jenna]

It happened though.

[Dumbfounded]

It was like.

[Jenna]

I remember my friend Marco. He would talk to his girlfriend and he would three way with me on the landlines to have me, like, list. I don't.

[Dumbfounded]

Oh, no, no, no. I see why I remember that. It was like. It was my homie, like, asking her, like, so what do you think about. What do you think about Johnny? Like, you know, that kind of thing. That's why, like, I was trying to figure out why the. That's weird. Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Did it ever go wrong, though? Like.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't always like, he's all right. You know, he's all right.

[Kalilah]

Oh, I miss those wholesome days.

[Jenna]

I know.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Do you guys. Did you guys ever play around with, like, the party line?

[Dumbfounded]

Oh, yeah, I know what that is. Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Where if you didn't like their voice, you could just skip on to the next person.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. No, was that LA thing.

[Jenna]

It.

[Kalilah]

It might.

[Dumbfounded]

I think it was a very LA thing and it was a very Latino culture thing. Like, a lot of Latinos were on this. So you can go to my rooms through your phone.

[Jenna]

I just remember chat roulette similar later.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, this is pre computer.

[Kalilah]

Yeah. And then you would have like this with like, randos. But I met a guy on the party line.

[Dumbfounded]

Wow.

[Esther Povitsky]

What did you do? You actually, like, had phone sex.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, we like. Okay, so you meet them, like. Okay, so if you don't like their voice, you switch to the. Yeah, you can switch the next person. Switch.

[Jenna]

You press a number.

[Dumbfounded]

You can go to a separate room, just you two. By like pressing a thing and you go.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's weird that you need to know how to do it. Like you think you're gonna do it later today.

[Jenna]

Yo, that is really right and fucked up. It's my adhd. It's like I need to know every single step or else nothing makes sense.

[Dumbfounded]

There's a good podcast about this era and how it worked.

[Kalilah]

Really?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, yeah, you can. I'll send it to you.

[Jenna]

He's like, I'll just send you the links.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, so what happened?

[Kalilah]

And then you exchange numbers with that person if you want to carry it on outside of the party line. And then we just started like talking. He, you know, about like life and stuff and my little high school life.

[Esther Povitsky]

And then you had phone sex.

[Kalilah]

We got very flirtatious and sexual. But most of the time, because I'm a 15 year old, I'm not meeting up with anyone. I don't have a car. I have an MTA bus pass.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Like, so it basically like ends there.

[Dumbfounded]

So you sex with this Asian trailblazer basically.

[Kalilah]

Basically.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. I was bad too. I was. I was like the movie, the kids, you know, like, you know like there's like that new coming of age movie that just came out. DD yeah, but I wasn't even like that. Like, I can't relate to that movie because I was way worse than that kid. You know, like I was bad as.

[Kalilah]

Okay, but at least you had the safety of being a dude. I would just hitchhike all over LA and dudes would be like, you need a ride? I'm like, I sure do. I never like feared for my safety. And then now looking back, I'm like, oh my.

[Jenna]

I was not scared at all. And it was so amazing.

[Kalilah]

But everyone always took me to where I needed to be.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kalilah]

Nothing bad.

[Dumbfounded]

Everyone was so friendly.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, everyone's so great.

[Esther Povitsky]

Bad things did happen. You got you girls, girls. Bad things did happen. So let's stop that.

[Kalilah]

Let's stop it.

[Jenna]

I mean, I wouldn't do it now, but you guys have to admit, like, we felt safe growing up.

[Esther Povitsky]

I'm not. I was not as free spirited as you guys that I didn't feel safe.

[Kalilah]

I wanted to recreate my trauma apparently because I was sexually assaulted and I was younger. And what happens is that you start to seek out very dangerous situations for it to try to make sense, according to Dr. Drew. So that's why I was. Yeah. Which is recreating bad shit because that's sort of like. Like I'm familiar with that.

[Dumbfounded]

Like me and my sister. Yeah. Like, I was bad and my sister was two years younger than me. Was even crazier.

[Kalilah]

Really?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. She hung out with like Latino gang bangers and you know, tag bangers. She still Is my sister's crazy. She has, like, Los Angeles Ted across something.

[Kalilah]

Oh, my God.

[Dumbfounded]

English just.

[Jenna]

That's my.

[Dumbfounded]

Like, she still hangs only with Latinos.

[Kalilah]

Like, wait, I wanna.

[Jenna]

I wanna. Does she look kind of like you?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, we look. We look very cool.

[Jenna]

Yo.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Wait, were you guys close?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, we're still close.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. And she, you know, it's crazy because, you know, we both dropped out of high school, we were both bad as, and then now she became a social worker. She's a great mom and all that stuff, but one year she went from just, like, 40 ounces until, like, having a baby and, like, being a good mom. It was crazy.

[Kalilah]

I love that, though.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

That is just like me. Yeah. No, it is. It's so real. The most powerful drug on the market is motherhood. It will fuck you up and shift you and change you, like, in a way that, like, you're her brother and you're like, I didn't see that. How'd this happen?

[Dumbfounded]

That's how. Sometimes I want to settle. Like, I want to just have a.

[Jenna]

Baby but not take care of it.

[Dumbfounded]

No, I'll take care of it. Like, it'll force me to take care of it. It'll also just force me to, like, hunker down, you know? Like, if I got someone pregnant right now. It's not the craziest. It's just not the. It's not the craziest thing, you know?

[Esther Povitsky]

No.

[Dumbfounded]

Like, I'm almost 40. It's like, I can take care of it, like, financially and all that. Like, I'll do it.

[Kalilah]

I genuinely think that it changes the chemistry within you, and I think you would be an exceptional dad because you are so, like, you do so many things, and a lot of things are fun for you.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

I feel like you would have so much fun with a kid, especially when they get older and you get to show them stuff.

[Dumbfounded]

I don't want to plan to have a baby, though. I want to accidentally have a baby. And hopefully that person I'm having a baby is a great person.

[Kalilah]

But that sounds like so many, like, unlike. That is so scary sounding to me. I'll tell you why. Because it is. I mean, I'm sure, Esther, you can attest to this. It is so hard, even with a person that you love, to, like, get it right. You know what I mean? Like, the. The newborn stage, like, raising a baby is already so hard, even with someone you have, like, a real connection with. Like, imagine if it's just a rando, like, you want to be a dad, you don't. You want to actually, like, be in their life? So I think, like, choose wisely.

[Jenna]

It sounds like you're like, you want this thing, but you are maybe afraid of the mental commitment too, to being like, yeah, this is the type of person I am now. This is what I'm gonna do. It's like, if it happens to you, then you'll be like, all right, I'll step up. But I'm not like, committing to it.

[Esther Povitsky]

I like, I like the plan.

[Kalilah]

Really.

[Esther Povitsky]

I like the lack of plan plan because it's like you're just sort of like low key manifesting it. You're like, if it happens, like, it'll just kind of happen. Whereas you're not. Which is honestly, Kalila, the best way. Because think about it like this. If he's like, no, it has to be perfect. Like, think of all the friends that you know who are like, I want kids. It needs to be this, this, and this and this. Or I need the guy that needs to be this, this, and this. They're fucked. Right? They have too many specific needs. They're planning. And I. I do this too, and.

[Jenna]

They'Re let down by.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah. So I think this sort of like, I'm open to it is the best way.

[Jenna]

Yeah, but not the random person. Because I'm telling you, having the kid with the wrong person, I seen my friends do that ruins their whole life.

[Dumbfounded]

They're not a random person. They're a person I had sex with.

[Jenna]

No, but they still have to be a good choice.

[Dumbfounded]

It led up to, you know, we had. We built some sort of bond to get to the sex part, you know.

[Jenna]

They have to be a good choice, though.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, you're right. I mean, I. Here's the thing. I think the reason for that mentality is because I have a lot of friends who, who kids now are like 10 years old and they had kids a little earlier and they just like made it work and. And they're not with their baby's mom. But somehow, like, it all worked out and it's cool. I mean, I guess it doesn't work out all the time. There's a lot of problems there.

[Jenna]

It just had. I mean, my brother had a kid with someone he didn't stay with, but they get along in their co parenting, in their separation. But I have a lot of friends whose lives are miserable now because that person has made it their job to make their lives miserable. And they have a kid with them.

[Kalilah]

As like, you know.

[Dumbfounded]

Right.

[Jenna]

Leverage.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, leverage.

[Esther Povitsky]

That sucks.

[Dumbfounded]

But also my Parents were, like, terrible parents.

[Kalilah]

Were they really?

[Dumbfounded]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna]

Oh, tell us.

[Dumbfounded]

They were the worst Asian parents on the planet.

[Kalilah]

But didn't your mom, like, like, get here through South America, through Mexico?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, she carried me and my sister to the Mexican border illegally.

[Esther Povitsky]

What?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Wow.

[Dumbfounded]

I don't know if I should be saying that with Trump. Enough.

[Jenna]

My dad's why I'm here. I'm with you.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. I came here illegally, like, and my mom was the only Asian person on that little trek.

[Kalilah]

How did that happen?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, because my. My dad came here first to set up shop in la, because I'm from Argentina.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

And then. So they set up shop. My dad set up shop. He sent money back for my mom to, like, pay these coyotes that will help her get into the Mexican border because she couldn't come. So she carried me as a baby when I was 3 and my sister 1 years old through the Mexican border, and she told me about the whole journey. It was, like, scary as.

[Kalilah]

I don't know why. Like, I'm actually, like, so emotional.

[Esther Povitsky]

I know the risk, because the risk of that is giving me the chills. Like, how did. That's just. She has. When you go on that journey, you don't know that you're.

[Dumbfounded]

No, she said it was. She said it was very scary. Like, she said it was a very scary thing. And I'm, like, actually gonna sit down with her and get, like, the specific story, because I'm writing, like, a book thing right now. And I knew.

[Jenna]

Is it a book or a book?

[Dumbfounded]

It's a memoir. It's a memoir.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

But this is incredible because it's like, I know that you, like, you. You say, like, you're. She was not a good, like, parent and stuff, but it's so scary to have. Well, how old were you when. When she was.

[Dumbfounded]

Well, I was only three, and she. My sister was one, so she's carrying two babies, you know, But I'm only saying she wasn't a good parent. Just because my. My dad and mom were violent in the household with each other throughout my whole youth. I don't remember.

[Jenna]

So it was, like, their relationship.

[Dumbfounded]

It was their relationship, and it was really my dad. He was. He was alcoholic, abusive. But I don't remember, like, one happy moment in my household growing up.

[Kalilah]

That is such an interesting thing that I've, like, started to kind of, like, realize for myself, too, is growing up, it's not. The thing that hurt me the most is not what my mom did to me necessarily. Like, you know, she was, like, Abusive and like, she did, like, the old school, like, you know, beat your kid. Right. But that's actually not what I think hurt me the most. What hurt me the most is seeing her unhappy.

[Dumbfounded]

Yes.

[Kalilah]

I never. I cannot remember a time in my life where I saw my mom joyful, smiling, relaxed, not anxious. And I really now see that as, like, that's what I carry. That became, like, my inner dialogue as an adult.

[Jenna]

There is nothing more upsetting than a parent who is not, like, living for themselves or has any joy. It will. It, like, consumes you. And parents don't think that it does that to their kids.

[Kalilah]

Right.

[Dumbfounded]

That's true.

[Kalilah]

Like, you can't be a martyr. You really. Now that I, you know, through therapy, I'm realizing that, like, I feel sad that I never saw her happy.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

Because it's like, of course she wanted to be happy, but she was young, terrified, had gone through a lot of abuse, was. Had me and my sister very young. Like, how could she have figured it out?

[Dumbfounded]

That's why I try to do a lot for my mom, for sure. Because she still has to, like, unprogram herself. That's so hard to do it. And it's, like, so hard. Like, I still struggle with it. I'm trying to put her on trips and all this. She doesn't know what the to do with herself.

[Kalilah]

Like, I saw that you guys just took, like, a pretty special, like, family trip.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. The first ever family trip ever, this past year. Yeah, it was my mom, me, my sister, and my sister's son. And, like, it was intense for me just to facilitate this thing too, because I'm the one in charge of this, and I've never been in charge of.

[Kalilah]

Now that I look at you.

[Jenna]

You did that?

[Dumbfounded]

I did it. It was.

[Kalilah]

I think I chose your hotel for you.

[Dumbfounded]

You did. You helped me out. Yeah.

[Jenna]

Did you check in your flight alone?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, I checked in for everybody.

[Jenna]

Look at you.

[Esther Povitsky]

How do you. How do you like being an uncle?

[Dumbfounded]

It's great. It's great. So cute. You know, nine years old and. And just. And a lot of people say he looks like me when I was that age. So it's really interesting, and it's cool. I feel like I'm. I'm there, I'm present. I'm not trying to be like the, you know, the cool uncle who only checks in on weekends. I'm trying to be there regularly. But, yeah, I mean, you know, trying to break generational.

[Kalilah]

That is so special. Like, so when you. When you thought about it, you were like, I Want to go on a family trip?

[Dumbfounded]

I did, and I want to continue it. I'm trying to do it. So do another one in Korea with us. It's a challenge every time still, because I have. It sucks that, like, every time with my mom, like, I get so angry for something.

[Jenna]

Yeah, zero to 100. Me too.

[Dumbfounded]

I feel so guilty, though.

[Kalilah]

This is all of us.

[Esther Povitsky]

What is this?

[Jenna]

We love our mothers so much.

[Kalilah]

The most, maybe.

[Jenna]

And we want them to be happy so much so that it makes me feel aggressive, angry. I want her to live for her. I want her to stop asking how everyone's doing. I want her to just do. I want her to literally be like, oh, I'm busy now. Can't. I can't pick up the phone. I'm. I'm doing whatever I told him. Like, I don't care what the you do. Do something. She's like, taking care of the feral cats in the neighborhood now, which is great. But I'm like, but I'm like, I don't care what it is. Do something that's not just our lives. Is your mom similar like that?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, for sure. I want her to go do activities. She has, like, no friends. And my mom, like, go do some bad mittens with badminton or some. With some other Korean things or some.

[Kalilah]

Like, what is this, though? Because I. I told my mom, like, ma, you need community. We cannot be your only community. Because it's like, we're not your age. We don't understand, like certain things, right? And she's just like, I don't need it. I like, I don't. And I'm like, I'm trying to convince her that she does. And all she does all day, she wakes up, she eats like a monster breakfast. She works out like crazy, and then that's her day.

[Dumbfounded]

It's crazy.

[Kalilah]

And I'm like, get out. Get to know.

[Jenna]

And they want so upsetting in a way that they'll never understand.

[Esther Povitsky]

I didn't know that your mom was like that.

[Kalilah]

She doesn't have no friends. She's like, oh, I have Joy. I'm like, who's Joy? She's like, you know, we talk on the phone once a week. I'm like, when was the last time you saw Joy? She goes, 11 years ago. Like, that's not. That's.

[Jenna]

She might be getting voice fished and that is not Joy.

[Kalilah]

They used to work together apparently.

[Dumbfounded]

But I will say my mom does well with like always finding some dude. Like, she'll always have, like a man friend. You know what I mean? That she. Because she's, she's like, she's very youthful.

[Jenna]

And she looks younger than her age.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, she just, she just looks really young for age.

[Kalilah]

So your mom's like a hottie?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. You know, when I was young, it was annoying. I had friends who's always like, hey, your mom's hot. That kind of thing.

[Jenna]

Yeah. But, you know, it's like, hell, yeah, my mom's hot.

[Dumbfounded]

I don't know if I'm doing that, but yeah, I mean, she's just, she's very youthful.

[Kalilah]

And your mom and dad didn't stay together, Date?

[Dumbfounded]

Nah, they were never happy together. I always wondered how they ever met and how they got married. It was like, just. Just didn't mix. They didn't mix, you know, so they always fought. My dad was very violent with my mom. Very abusive, like, beat the out of her like throughout my whole life when I was kid seeing that. And that's why me and my sister had so much freedom to like roam the city and do whatever we want. I mean, luckily, it's like, that's how I found like rap and freestyle and all that, because I was able to go out, you know, 10pm on a school night to like an open mic in Los Angeles or some, you know, and my sister too. We're just, we're just free to go do whatever the we want. I dropped out of high school. My parents didn't even know for two years after what. Yeah, it was like I was just got away with so much.

[Jenna]

Like, wait, were you lying or. No one ever asked.

[Dumbfounded]

No one really cared. No one checked.

[Jenna]

Like, it's like there was too much other going on.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. Like, anytime I needed to get something signed from the teachers or something, they were just like, sign it. You know, it's just like also like language barrier. They don't want to deal with anything. You know, they're just like, you sign it, you handle it.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

You know, you do this paperwork or whatever. So.

[Kalilah]

Wow, that's interesting because I'm looking up why this is happening with you guys and they're saying because helicopter parenting, it was so affluent with boomers that, that we now feel a responsibility to like, take care of them because that's what we were taught by our parents was helicoptering. Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like.

[Dumbfounded]

That should just be standard though, you know, I think people should take care of their parents.

[Jenna]

No, that's a cultural difference because, like, I feel that way too. I mean, it's like.

[Dumbfounded]

But ever since I, I stopped, this is the longest I haven't spoke to my dad, like almost all year. I haven't talked to him and I feel so much more stress free. Honestly, it's crazy.

[Jenna]

Wow.

[Dumbfounded]

But I, I need to at some point fix it. It just.

[Jenna]

But that's a good boundary for you to at least have perspective about and know, like, okay, I can intermittently put him in. Into my life the way I want to.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. I've always kept him in my life, you know, and it's always been difficult knowing like all the awful things he's done, but I just can't fully abandon him in a way.

[Jenna]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I would be able to.

[Dumbfounded]

Because you get older as a man too, and you see glimpses of like, possibly why he could have turned that way too. You know, he came to this country, he was stressed out, fell in alcohol and gambling, all of that, because he was stressing the out. And that doesn't excuse his, like, violent behavior. But like, you can sympathize with that, you know? And I think my relation to this pasture got weird because I started letting him borrow money and. And it just be our relationship became transactional all the time.

[Kalilah]

That's like what my dad always says. There's no such thing as borrow. If you lend someone money, consider it gone.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, for sure. That's what it happens.

[Kalilah]

Then that person is gonna keep ducking you and you've just basically like lost a friend, lost a relationship. My. Oh, not Roger.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, your dad.

[Kalilah]

Dad. My dad. Dad. He's like, if you have it, like, say goodbye to it.

[Jenna]

And I'm broke and I'd be lending people money all the time.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's not a good move. But, you know, I was thinking about this recently and I think it would have helped me growing up to see pictures of my mom as a baby or as a child.

[Esther Povitsky]

Why?

[Kalilah]

Oh, like not just human. Because when I'm born, she's in my head. She's born as Mom.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Kalilah]

And I don't know her any other way than just someone.

[Jenna]

Yeah. They were never harmless. They were never.

[Kalilah]

No. And I have big cries in the shower now when I think about my mom as a baby and the day that she was born and being a very, like, innocent, pure thing and a child, like, seeing things for the very first time. And it like, breaks my heart. Like, I get so choked up thinking about it now because I'm like, oh, it would have really helped if I had had some perspective about who this person was outside of Just Mom.

[Jenna]

But it's like impossible to have when you're younger as well because you don't understand the perspective due to the nature that like, you're just not old enough to have that perspective.

[Esther Povitsky]

I just, I feel that I would not have wanted to see that because it would have freaked me out. Because you don't want, like. I just think as a baby, I guess I'm thinking about being a baby, but like, I don't want to see my mom as anything other than Mom. That's so scary.

[Kalilah]

Really?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, that's so scary.

[Kalilah]

Not when you're a baby, but like, I still don't have pictures of my mom. You don't as a baby? I've never. I don't know what she looks like as a baby. They don't exist.

[Dumbfounded]

Wait, why?

[Kalilah]

Because she did grow up in the Philippines. Third world. No camera.

[Dumbfounded]

Oh, okay.

[Kalilah]

Okay. Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

They didn't have photos and I mean.

[Kalilah]

They did, but probably. I remember seeing like. I think I've talked about this.

[Jenna]

They have like two of my dad, and the youngest, it goes, is when he's like seven.

[Kalilah]

Oh, wow. That's pretty young. I would have loved even that because the. The youngest I have of my mom is of her in like a yearbook. And I remember seeing it for the first time when I was like 6 years old and crying and being like, that's not my mom because she looks like really young. And I'm like, there's no way that's my mom, dude.

[Jenna]

Immigrant parents, though, that is. That's like in and of itself something that I can't even fathom. I mean, like our parents, obviously immigrants. Well, but, you know, like, that is something that's like, to. I can't even imagine being. I can only imagine being born somewhere. That is horrific. Not having the money. I mean, my dad had one pair of shoes for like seven years, didn't go to school, was helping his dad, who was an alcoholic with work because his dad drove trucks. And then he would just. Just be drunk. So my dad at like nine, had to start driving.

[Kalilah]

Oh my God.

[Esther Povitsky]

At nine.

[Jenna]

Because as. Because my grandfather would be so drunk that he was just like, he couldn't do his job. He's like, hey, wave.

[Dumbfounded]

I'm almost.

[Jenna]

Yeah, but it's like crazy moving to a whole different country here. My mom would pay the guards to look the other way. Like it's a whole thing that.

[Esther Povitsky]

Imagine you're driving, just driving here and there's a nine year old on the road.

[Kalilah]

I think that's what happened recently there was like an 8 year old girl who drove to Target, got herself like a Frappuccino.

[Esther Povitsky]

Okay, that's awesome.

[Kalilah]

And like drove home.

[Jenna]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

That's American culture and strongest.

[Kalilah]

But I feel like that's maybe shocking over here. But if you go to the Philippines, like they're like, adults will ask their 5 year old to be like, go get me a pack of cigarettes.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, Yeah. I used to do that for my dad. Dad, you know.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

Grab cigarettes and booze and all this, run errands for him.

[Esther Povitsky]

And I'll never forget thinking that my grandma was trying to bond with me, asking me if I wanted to go to 7 11. That wasn't it. It wasn't just that she thought I wanted a snack. It was that she ran out of cigarettes.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

I got to go with, how many.

[Jenna]

Times did she do this?

[Esther Povitsky]

It was just once. And I, I was like, oh my.

[Jenna]

God, that was the one batting time somewhere.

[Esther Povitsky]

This is so.

[Jenna]

It was just once.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

I remember, I remember finding a VHS porno tape in my house that my dad had and it was Ron Jeremy. I was like, like 7, 8 years old. I like, I found this tape and said some like thing like Cinderella or something and I like popped in tape Cinderella. It was just like Ron Jeremy just lay in pipe and I freaked out. I ejected the thing. And my first reaction was I undid the tape. Oh my gosh, I don't know what got into me. And then after I looked at, I was like, my dad's gonna find out now. So I went down the apartment hall and threw it down the trash chute. And I remember like a week later, my dad like talking to my mom like, did you move this tape? Or whatever? And I was like, fuck, oh, where's Cinderella?

[Jenna]

He'd be like, what tape, dad?

[Esther Povitsky]

So much drama of the olden days.

[Jenna]

Of olden days.

[Esther Povitsky]

Like there's no drama of that nature in our time. Currently that is the equivalent because that.

[Jenna]

Is very like the like smashing the phone.

[Kalilah]

Oh, yeah, maybe that's true.

[Esther Povitsky]

It takes, it takes 30 minutes. If you look at me, I'm going and I'm going and I'm still mad and I'm going faster and then I go slow like that.

[Jenna]

Like whenever you're done.

[Esther Povitsky]

That is beautiful.

[Dumbfounded]

There's nothing like that no more. It's all digital media.

[Kalilah]

So we used to turn it back when even the kind of loose. Yeah, you would just put your little finger in there.

[Esther Povitsky]

If I was gonna write a play, that would be like the height of the play.

[Dumbfounded]

I Haven't even seen a good paper tear recently. Yeah, I haven't seen one of those in a while.

[Esther Povitsky]

These are the lost things of the cell phone generation.

[Kalilah]

When is the last time you bought paper?

[Jenna]

Oh, I buy paper all the time for my printer.

[Dumbfounded]

I'm a printing.

[Jenna]

I print. Oh, I print so much.

[Kalilah]

You print? Oh, yeah.

[Jenna]

You do so much. Not only for my. Not only for my deodorant, I print all the labels, but I also for sides. If someone sends me something, I want to. I don't want to look it in my phone. If it's a schedule, I want to print it out and look at it.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, I do sides on. On paper too.

[Jenna]

That's so cute, guys, I'm old school printers.

[Esther Povitsky]

And if anyone, including if you have.

[Jenna]

A printer that works, Esther's printer, never call me. No, I have fixed your printer.

[Esther Povitsky]

I don't believe in printers that work. I don't. I haven't found them.

[Jenna]

My printer be working and get it.

[Dumbfounded]

You got a laser or what?

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Esther Povitsky]

It sounds like something that got invented in 1993. And you're like, it's amazing.

[Dumbfounded]

Do people not use laser printers anymore? Is it mainly.

[Jenna]

Yo, I don't know.

[Dumbfounded]

But printers, printers I like. I like reading sides off the paper and scripts too.

[Jenna]

You know, sides, a schedule, anything. It's got to be printed out. I don't want to look on my phone and have to zoom in and out.

[Dumbfounded]

I miss burning CDs for.

[Kalilah]

Yeah, that was my love language.

[Jenna]

I still have. Have hella burn CDs that people burn for me.

[Kalilah]

I. That's all I did all day long was burn CDs.

[Jenna]

Just color my love all day long.

[Esther Povitsky]

But doesn't burning mean copying?

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah. Copy.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, yeah. Not creating the mix.

[Kalilah]

No, no, no, no.

[Dumbfounded]

You would burn. No, you take the MP3000, you burn it onto a CD.

[Jenna]

So you do create.

[Kalilah]

You do create the mix.

[Esther Povitsky]

I just thought burning was just copying a cd.

[Kalilah]

No, no, no. When you create the mix, it is such. It is so specific. And you know how you were starting to title your playlist, like long sentences, like 4am drinking coffee under a willow tree or whatever. That's how we used to do it. That's how I used to do it back then. It was very specific. And we would write and you write it around.

[Esther Povitsky]

I did that.

[Kalilah]

Yeah. And it was such a love language. And I miss doing that.

[Dumbfounded]

Does it have the same effect if you make a Spotify playlist?

[Kalilah]

No, Somebody kind of. I still do. Yeah. Like I. For me, it feels.

[Dumbfounded]

No, no.

[Jenna]

Really Maybe because no one's ever made me one.

[Kalilah]

I'll make you one.

[Jenna]

But it feels like it would feel. No, no.

[Dumbfounded]

You choose a cover art and everything. And the title of the playlist.

[Jenna]

I guess I just don't know because no one's ever made me one.

[Dumbfounded]

I always felt a little bit of a pressure, like creating a mix for somebody because I didn't want them to judge my music taste and things like that. So I spent a lot of time stay up just like, like I'm doing research on stuff, you know, just to really. And you have a great mix for somebody.

[Kalilah]

I, I totally get that pressure. And you also have to kind of like songs you like, but also obscure ones so they think you have like out of the box musical taste.

[Jenna]

You would so do that.

[Kalilah]

Like, that's me.

[Esther Povitsky]

Hate to break it to all of.

[Jenna]

Your musical taste, though.

[Esther Povitsky]

I hate to break it to all of you, but everything that you're all saying lines up with my theory that everyone secretly wants to be a dj.

[Kalilah]

I never argued with you about that. I think you're absolutely right. Let's give her a round of applause.

[Esther Povitsky]

And that's why as a society, we attack the dj, we make fun of, we berate the dj, but it's because we all want to be the dj.

[Kalilah]

You know my history of my DJ dreams, right? Yeah, I think I unfortunately dropped that bit of wisdom, that information.

[Esther Povitsky]

What was the name again?

[Kalilah]

I don't want to talk about it, Stella. But I did have big dreams of becoming a dj and not even that long ago, it was like in my mid-20s and I swear to you, in my head, like I was. It, like I was so good and it was like embarrassing.

[Dumbfounded]

But you're right, I mean, I think it is the sweetest gig in modern times being a dj, getting paid stupid money for that.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

To just play crazy.

[Dumbfounded]

It's. I mean, but I, I don't, I, I personally don't want to be DJ because I don't want to figure out the technical part.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Dumbfounded]

You know what I mean?

[Jenna]

I don't want to be a dj. It's too loud.

[Dumbfounded]

It's too loud.

[Jenna]

But I would want to send. No one would like my mixes anyhow. It would be like three, Six Mafia, Lady Smith, Black Mambazo, and they'd be like, we're good people who love that.

[Dumbfounded]

Are you talking about.

[Kalilah]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

Together. No, people always like, you're my playlist. Like my, my music, if it goes on random in my car, it's, you know, it's not good.

[Esther Povitsky]

But this is also like a form of reverse dj. You're like, my music is so weird. Nobody would like it. I'm too weird to be a dj.

[Dumbfounded]

Yes, true.

[Esther Povitsky]

There's. There's different angles, and this is just a different.

[Jenna]

Okay.

[Esther Povitsky]

Angle at DJing. Because you want us. Do you want to be like us? To hear and be like. Wait, what was that you said? It will come after three Six Mafia. That's so weird and interesting. You're so special and different.

[Jenna]

No.

[Dumbfounded]

Someone being a dj, is that a hot thing?

[Jenna]

I find it unhot.

[Dumbfounded]

Really?

[Kalilah]

Really?

[Jenna]

Yes.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Jenna]

I think of, like when we used to go to Vegas and.

[Kalilah]

Oh, God, let's not bring that up either.

[Jenna]

I. I like. I'm not going on my way to hate on DJs. Respect DJs.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, you're saying I'm attracted to intelligence, so you just. It's a job that doesn't require intelligence. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?

[Jenna]

You have to know how to.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, I think it.

[Kalilah]

It requires some level of skill.

[Dumbfounded]

It's taste, too. Do you think I do like people with good taste?

[Esther Povitsky]

Do you think DJs read?

[Kalilah]

No, but I mean, like, okay, you know, Rick Rubin reads.

[Esther Povitsky]

He's not a dj.

[Kalilah]

No, but I'm saying he's a taste maker, right? He's somebody who just knows that he trusts what he likes and is able to sort of convey because he's not a musician, but he's a producer.

[Esther Povitsky]

And yes, he leads with his taste, but that's not what he does, is play music. But he does lead with his taste, which is a similar skill to a dj.

[Jenna]

All I think of when I think of a DJ is that Nene, that guy who.

[Kalilah]

Swedish House Mafia.

[Jenna]

You know, the guy who.

[Dumbfounded]

David Guetta Neeneen.

[Jenna]

Calvin Harris, the guy. And you guys know who I'm talking about.

[Dumbfounded]

It's not clear enough.

[Kalilah]

Whatever melody you're doing, kids, try again.

[Jenna]

Oh, my goodness.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, please don't try again.

[Dumbfounded]

Are you talking about, like, Skrillex or something?

[Jenna]

No. Except actually, I used to be obsessed with Skrillex when I was in college, when dubstep first started. Met him, I was in this hip hop dance crew and he came to, like, perform at our show or whatever.

[Dumbfounded]

Everybody go to college and do hip hop dance. That's like.

[Jenna]

I don't know. But I was in Dance to Excess, so.

[Dumbfounded]

What is that?

[Jenna]

Oh, y'all. The people will know. The people I'm speaking to will know. The people will know this. No, it's like Martin Solvay. That's Who I think of when I think of DJing, I don't like it. Wait, Esther, so with your theory, do you think that we hate it because we secretly want to be a DJ also?

[Esther Povitsky]

Yes. And I do understand that I am fulfilling that theory now by hating on DJs, but yes, I do think that everyone, they're a cultural. Like, it's just a thing that we all make fun of all the time. But yet it's obvious that it's like the easiest gig. And everyone loves to play and have choice over the music. Every party, everyone wants to play.

[Dumbfounded]

A unique talent. You feel like anyone can get into it. The entry level of it is too easy.

[Esther Povitsky]

Well, I don't even know if the entry level is easy because I wouldn't even know how to become a dj because I have tried and I can't figure it out.

[Dumbfounded]

No, the entry level is easy to be a dj. Anybody can be a dj.

[Esther Povitsky]

Right? Or, like, when someone's like, career shift, I'm becoming a dj, that's like.

[Kalilah]

Did you not like it when Paris Hilton became a dj?

[Esther Povitsky]

No, I hated it. I'd rather her do nothing than be a dj.

[Jenna]

I didn't even know she was a teacher.

[Esther Povitsky]

It's. Yeah, it's. She. It's more of an international side career.

[Jenna]

DJs are not on my radar, guys.

[Kalilah]

Jeez, you guys are hating on DJs way too much.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, we're not.

[Jenna]

No, let's not hate on them because it is a real job and they're doing their thing and that's how they want to express themselves.

[Esther Povitsky]

Yeah, I'm just not into it. I agree with that, too. Sure. Okay. That's been our episode.

[Kalilah]

You know what? This year I'm going to reignite my DJing career.

[Jenna]

I mean, good for you, but don't share that with us.

[Esther Povitsky]

No, you know what? This will be good for me because I'll be behind the scenes. I'll. You'll tell me how it's going, and then maybe I'll learn to find a way to respect DJs.

[Jenna]

Wait, you don't respect them?

[Esther Povitsky]

Oh, and we'll see you next week. Dumbfounded. And where can people find more of you?

[Dumbfounded]

Just on socials. Just look up Dumbfounded.

[Kalilah]

And when is Beef Season two?

[Dumbfounded]

They start filming soon, but it's not. It hasn't started. Yeah, so it's not going to be for a bit.

[Kalilah]

How exciting.

[Esther Povitsky]

Wait, and you write on it. That's amazing.

[Dumbfounded]

Yeah, it's gonna be good.

[Jenna]

I love season one.

[Esther Povitsky]

Thanks for tuning in. We love you, sluggies. And we'll see you next week with a brand new episode.

[Dumbfounded]

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