468: The Tax Man

Summary

TRIVIALITY Episode 468: "The Tax Man"

Recorded in Chicago, Illinois – April 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Triviality serves up a classic pub-style trivia game, where hosts Ken, Jeff, Neal, and special patron Eden compete as a team under guest host and tax auditor/bar trivia host Sekou Benson. The quiz weaves through sports, pop culture, history, government, grammar—naturally, with a dash of tax law—and plenty of laughs. The episode’s highlight is Sekou’s eclectic, well-crafted questions and sharp-witted banter among the hosts, especially when prompted with tax-related clues.

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Key Discussion Points & Trivia Highlights

1. Introductions & Banter ([00:20]–[06:21])

• The hosts discuss which film directors are most consistent (“Banger after banger”), tossing around Denis Villeneuve and PTA.
• Guest Patron: Eden Spencer from Minneapolis shares about her work in affordable housing, her love of trivia podcasts, and her “blind, deaf old man pug named Loki.”
• Quote:
  Eden: “Otherwise just here with my husband, stepson, and I’ve got a blind, deaf old man pug named Loki. So—great name.” ([02:27])
• Guest Host: Sekou Benson, Detroit-area tax auditor and bar trivia host, makes his Triviality debut, sharing his podcasting origin story.

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2. Trivia Game – Round 1 Highlights

NBA & Sitcoms ([06:21]–[07:58])

• Q: Jalen Rose’s first name origin (father—Piston and sitcom namesake)
• A: James (Jimmie Walker, “Good Times”)
• Memorable note: Jalen Rose never met his father, who passed away before they could meet.
  Sekou: “...Jalen was hoping to meet his dad around 2007, but unfortunately, he died before he could actually meet him in person...” ([08:25])

Regina King’s Sitcom Debut ([08:29]–[09:37])

• Q: Regina King’s first sitcom role as Marla Gibbs’ daughter
• A: 227
• Eden nails it: “Is it 227? Was she in that?” ([09:29])

TikTok Trends & Grammy Nominees ([09:37]–[11:25])

• Q: Doshi’s 2019 song trending on TikTok gets a Grammy nod after Will Smith & Tatiana Ali Fresh Prince dance
• A: “Anxiety”
• Mixed struggle to recall both the song and its meme roots.

Government & Succession ([11:55]–[12:42])

• Q: Patty Murray’s 2023 historic position—third in presidential succession
• A: President Pro Tempore of the Senate

College Sports Trophy History ([12:44]–[14:42])

• Q: Name of PSU vs. MSU trophy themed on public funding/land grants
• A: Land Grant Trophy
• Eden again: “Is this the whole land grant university thing?” ([14:27])

Book Adaptations ([15:00]–[16:22])

• Q: Scott Turow’s 1987 legal thriller with Harrison Ford & Jake Gyllenhaal
• A: Presumed Innocent

Grammar & Caesar ([16:45]–[18:03])

• Q: Julius Caesar’s “I came, I saw, I conquered”—missing what part of speech?
• A: Conjunction (asyndeton)
• The hosts initially guess “object,” before Sekou clarifies.

Oscars Oddities ([19:13]–[21:30])

• Q: Ben Affleck’s 2012 Oscar experience—rarity since 1989
• A: Awarded Best Picture for “Argo” without Best Director nomination
• Sekou: “Director wasn’t even nominated but the picture won.”

Literary Biography ([21:58]–[23:30])

• Q: Blake Bailey’s bio of the late author of “Goodbye Columbus,” “American Pastoral”
• A: Philip Roth
• The tax-themed clue: “What happened to my Ira?” — Roth IRA

Tax Law in Pop Culture ([25:06]–[27:06])

• Q: 2018 Supreme Court ruling on online sales tax, furniture retailer named
• A: Wayfair
• Discussion about the end of tax-exempt Internet shopping.

Tallying the Score ([27:41]–[29:20])

• Team scores 80/100 after Round 1.
• Score-keeping jokes abound: “If we write off the points that we miss, it’s 100!” ([28:00])

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3. Trivia Game – Round 2 Highlights

Presidential Bachelors ([30:23]–[31:37])

• Q: Only U.S. president besides Buchanan to be a bachelor before marrying in office
• A: Grover Cleveland

Poet Laureate Irony ([32:56]–[34:10])

• Q: Poet Laureate 1843–50; name is ironically suited for not publishing during tenure
• A: William Wordsworth

Scoreless CFB Bowls ([34:23]–[35:56])

• Q: Last “toilet bowl” (scoreless, 0–0) in college football
• A: 1983 Oregon vs. Oregon State
• After 1996, NCAA rules prevent tied, scoreless games.

1980s/1990s TV & Sitcom Stardom ([37:03]–[38:07])

• Q: Actor who failed to get Rudy on “Cosby Show” but later found fame
• A: Jaleel White (Steve Urkel, “Family Matters”)

V-Chip for TV ([39:02]–[41:26])

• Q: Device, inspired by 1996 Telecom Act, required for all TVs post-2000
• A: V-Chip
• Hint: “I like to eat mine with sour cream and onion.”—Sekou ([41:18])

Sports Triple Crown ([42:00]–[44:38])

• Q: NHL players Neil Brotten & Ed Belfour’s unique championship feat, also in NBA
• A: Winning Olympic gold, college national title & pro championship (Stanley Cup/NBA Title)

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Female Scientists & Forgotten Figures ([46:37]–[47:44])

• Q: Rosalind Franklin—the “forgotten” third partner with…?
• A: Watson & Crick (DNA structure)
• “Watson and Prick,” quips Jeff, expressing justified outrage.

Food from Cassava ([48:15]–[49:44])

• Q: Starch-rich woody shrub, third most-common tropical carbohydrate
• A: Cassava
• Sekou shares: “My dad’s side of the family is African...one of the best dishes that he cooks is with cassava leaves.”

SZA & Kill Bill ([50:58]–[51:54])

• Q: First #1 US hit for SZA inspired by a 2000s film
• A: “Kill Bill”

1990s Phone Commercials ([52:18]–[53:40])

• Q: What was the advertised/mandated per-minute rate for Sprint long distance with Candice Bergen?
• A: 10 cents per minute
• Hosts guess higher; answer harks back to the famous “MCI Dime” commercials.

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4. Final Five Bonus Round (Theme: Flowers) ([56:08]–[60:50])

1. Love Interest in A Different World:
   • A: Jasmine Guy
2. Julia Roberts’ First Oscar Nod (1989):
   • A: Steel Magnolias
3. Rainbow’s Shortest Wavelength:
   • A: Violet
4. Shannen Doherty’s Charmed Replacement:
   • A: Rose McGowan
5. “Magic School Bus”/“Nashville” Detroit Actress:
   • A: Lily Tomlin

• Hosts quickly catch on to the “flowers” theme and backsolve for missed answers.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “We do have a lot of episodes, but yeah, thank you so much for, for listening to us and hopefully us inspiring you to continue.” — Neal ([03:37])
• “It’s a great story though. You like revenge, so I just let you know.” — Neal, on Octavian’s post-Caesar vendetta ([19:01])
• (On being stumped by a clue)
  “He works for the government. They can touch whatever they want. Sorry, that unintended double meaning.” — Ken ([24:58])
• “How could that be? That’s weird.” — Jeff, reacting in disbelief to Oscar’s best picture/director snubs ([21:40])
• “It’s weird that you’ve described exactly my personal hell. People ask me tax questions.” — Ken ([24:28])
• “What’s ironic about Sekou asking us Roth IRA question? Do you know what? It’s tax exempt. Oh, it’s post tax.” — Ken and Neal ([24:47])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:07] – Guest/Eden intro
• [03:54] – Guest host Sekou intro
• [06:21] – Trivia game begins
• [08:25] – Jalen Rose family history
• [14:42] – Land Grant Trophy discussion
• [16:45] – Grammar/asyndeton question
• [21:30] – Oscars “Best Picture”/director snubs
• [25:06] – Supreme Court/Wayfair sales tax case
• [27:41] – End of Round 1/score recap
• [30:23] – Second half begins
• [34:50] – College football’s last 0–0 “toilet bowl”
• [38:07] – Jaleel White trivia
• [41:26] – V-Chip answer & jokes
• [44:38] – Triple crown of championships
• [46:37] – Watson, Crick, and Rosalind Franklin discussion
• [48:44] – “Cassava” and family cooking stories
• [52:01] – SZA “Kill Bill” answer
• [56:08] – Final five/flower theme round

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Closing & Shout-Outs

• Sekou thanks his trivia editor Nikki from Trivial Warfare for fact-checking.
• Eden gives a heartfelt reminder: “Just try to be as nice as you can to people. You never know what people are going through.” ([61:44])
• Team scores 190 out of 250 after the final round.

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Episode Tone

True to Triviality’s tagline, the episode balances a lack of seriousness with actual knowledge. There’s rapid-fire back-and-forth, healthy ribbing, and the occasional tangent into 80s Oscars, government succession, and even sports trivia PTSD (“That did that to my Red Wings in ’95...Can’t say I feel bad” — Eden).

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Summary

Episode 468, “The Tax Man,” brings together classic pub trivia with enthusiastic, knowledgable hosts and guests. Sekou’s wide-ranging questions—notably featuring a few cleverly embedded tax themes—spark fun, nerdy debate, memories of obscure TV and sports history, and lots of teamwork-makes-the-dreamwork moments. The episode closes on a warm note, with shout-outs to patrons and the trivia community at large.

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Perfect for trivia lovers, pub quiz regulars, and anyone who enjoys their knowledge with a heavy side of camaraderie and clever banter.

Transcript

[A]

You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast

[B]

recorded in Chicago, Illinois, with your hosts Ken, Matt, Neil and Jeff. This is Triviality.

[C]

Welcome to Triviality, the game where a lack of seriousness meets a little bit of knowledge, where we bring you just Banger after Banger after Banger episodes.

[D]

We try to.

[C]

Yeah, we try to.

[B]

We're every other P.T. anderson film. However you want to take that.

[D]

Yeah, Right. Well, I think we bring Banger after Banger episodes because of our guests. Whether we do great on the episodes.

[B]

Yeah. It has nothing to do with us.

[D]

That's right. Because we're usually not doing great.

[C]

Who's. Who's a director that really does Banger after Banger. No. No. No dips.

[D]

No.

[C]

Or who's the most consistent, would you say?

[B]

Yeah, and maybe they dip, but it's not a hard dip.

[C]

Going to say Denis Villeneuve?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. Let me think about that.

[C]

Think about that.

[B]

It's a matter of taste as well, so it could be for your. Your preference.

[D]

Yeah, it is. It is subjective. Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's hard. We'll have to think about that. But while we're thinking about that, let's introduce some great guests. Today we're going to be doing a Pub Triviality episode, which we're excited about. So we're going to start. We need a team, a team member. So we brought one of our patrons. We're so excited to have them here. Eden. Spencer. How are you today?

[E]

Great. Happy to be here.

[D]

And you're coming to us from Minneapolis, is that right?

[E]

Yes.

[D]

Yep. Now, Minneapolis, I'll have to. I'll just tell a story really quickly. My uncle and aunt at one point started an Irish pub right across from the Target center, if it's still the Target center where the Timberwolves play. And they had it for a few years. But her ex husband, that she had left before marrying my uncle, was still salty about the divorce and stole the pub from her. But it was called o'. Donovan's. I don't know if that's still there.

[E]

Yep, it's still there.

[D]

Okay. So they had someone from Ireland come and hand carve all the. The interior woodwork and stuff. But when I was there, there was a bouncer and I'm forgetting the name now, you may know who very famously pranked Brett Favre on the radio about an affair or a mistress. And he got fired because Brett Favre got really angry. But anyway, a little Minneapolis lore, but tell us a little bit about yourself and what you're up to?

[E]

Yeah, I work in affordable housing here in the Twin Cities. Kind of an exciting thing. Never a dull moment, very much needed. Otherwise, I really enjoy trivia. Just recently started getting into the podcast world and it's been a lot of fun. Been fun meeting everybody that I've been listening to for so many years. Otherwise just here with my husband, stepson, and I've got a blind, deaf old man pug named Loki. So great name.

[D]

How old is Loki?

[E]

He's 12.

[D]

Oh, that's great. Well, I love that. Well, thank you so much for being here and so exciting that you're getting into all the different podcasts and different trivia podcasts and we're so happy to have you here.

[B]

And you're the. We're your favorite.

[D]

That's right.

[E]

Yes.

[D]

You are my og.

[E]

You are the one that I first started listening to.

[D]

Oh, that's great.

[B]

Oh, no, that. That's not good, guys. Because then, you know, she had unmet needs. She went up elsewhere.

[E]

Well, I listened to your whole catalog, so I had to go somewhere else.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[D]

We do have a lot of episodes, but yeah, thank you so much for, for listening to us and hopefully us inspiring you to continue. Well, thank you for being here. And we need a host for today's game. So excited that we have them here. And we're going to introduce Sekou Benson. How are you?

[F]

I'm doing all right. How about yourself, guys?

[D]

Doing great. Thank you for being a supporter as well. Tell us a little bit about yourself because this is your first time on the show. We're excited to have you here.

[F]

Yep. So my name is Sekou Benson. For my day job, I work for the government as a tax auditor and also part time. I'm also a part time bar trivia host. Also like to kind of dabble in creating questions and puzzles and things like that too. So that's awesome.

[D]

And you're in the Detroit area, so also another Midwest favorite here.

[F]

Yep. So in the Detroit area. And if you guys. You guys know Robert, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Yep. So Robert, you know, he kind of got me in the whole podcast thing. I known him for about 13 years going to his sporkle shows. So he's kind of gotten me into the whole podcasting realm and like that. So that's great. Show every Monday.

[D]

So now where at work, if people want to come play your game in person, where would they go?

[F]

So I host one show out in in Taylor with my trivia live, JP McGuire's, and also I host a show out in Belleville. It's something a little unique. So instead of just straight trivia, it's called my game show Live. So we'll play like a game of one round of Wheel of Fortune, one round of Price Is Right, you know, a round of who Wants to Be a Millionaire? So we've been doing that for about two months at the bar at the Belleville Bar.

[C]

And one round of the Bachelorette where you throw a chair across the room.

[D]

That's great.

[B]

We're not talking about Taylor, Frankie Paul right now and how she ruined my Sunday evening plans for the next few months.

[D]

Yeah, that's a big scandal there. That's for sure.

[B]

Just wanted to watch the Bachelorette, Ken.

[C]

Sorry, Jeff.

[D]

We'll get you a dirty soda, make you feel better.

[C]

Did you see Jon Stewart go? The only little shining joy in my life is watching the Bachelorette. Sorry, I'm getting a call. What's that?

[B]

It's kind of how I felt right now.

[D]

Sekou, any Bachelorette questions or.

[C]

No.

[F]

Yeah, I'm not very familiar with the show.

[D]

Okay. Sorry, Jeff. All right, all right. So Eden came up with our team name. We're going to be playing together to run Sekou's game. Eden, what is our team name Today?

[E]

We are going to be close, but not quite.

[D]

All right, close, but the triviality story. Yeah. Yeah. That's our Lifetime movie with poorly cast actors representing us. All right, Sekou, let's take it away. We're ready to go.

[F]

All right, so I guess the first question being from Detroit and the Fab Five with Michigan playing. So we're going to ask something around that time. So NBA player and analyst Jalen Rose got his first name by combining his Uncle Leonard's name with the name of his father, a Detroit Piston and two time all star. What was his father's name? And also it's the same name as a dynamic 1970s sitcom star.

[C]

So Jalen. You said Jalen was the name and combined Leonard and so Lyn would be.

[B]

I'm assuming Leonard.

[C]

So we're looking for a J. Like a Jason maybe.

[D]

Yeah, a J. I'm trying to think of what was the sitcom clue was

[C]

1970s sitcom star dynamic one at that. Any ideas, Eden?

[E]

No. This. This one. This one's. I'm trying to think of the sitcom because I'm definitely not going to be able to get there from the basketball. Basketball trivia is not my best.

[C]

Any Jason's that, you know, Jason Bateman. Is that too early?

[B]

He was more of an 80s.

[D]

I don't know if he'd be Jalen Rose's dad, though.

[C]

No, no, the sitcom star.

[D]

Oh, sit up. Start.

[B]

Same as the name.

[D]

Well, Dynam. Dynamo is. Or was it Dinah Dynamite. Dynamite of Jimmy Walker. Dono might. That's Jimmy Walker. So maybe it's Jimmy James.

[E]

James Walker.

[D]

James Walker.

[C]

I like that.

[B]

James Rose.

[D]

Yeah, I think it was Jimmy Walker was his actor's name, but let's go with that.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Okay. So, yep, you guys were correct. That was Jimmie Walker. He played for the Pistons. And the sad thing is, Jalen Rose actually never met his father, even though they both played basketball. Mitch Albom, you know, connected with them over the phone. They talked a little bit over the phone, wrote some letters, and Jalen was. Was hoping to meet his dad around 2007, but unfortunately, he died before he could actually meet him in person, so.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[F]

Next up is. Next question is in the category of famous actresses. So, before starring in if Beale Street Could Talk, Boyz n the Hood and the Boondocks, Regina King got her start in what sitcom? Playing the daughter of Marla Gibbs.

[D]

How's your Regina King TV knowledge, Eden?

[E]

I definitely watched the show that she was in, and I'm.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Trying to. Trying to remember.

[C]

Was that Marla Gibbs? Darla Gibbs.

[F]

Marla Gibbs.

[C]

Marla Gibbs. I'm not too sure on this one.

[D]

It's not Friday. I know that for sure.

[E]

Was this, like, a 90s?

[D]

Yeah, it's probably like, late 80s, early 90s.

[E]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

I could be wrong. I'm going to try and look at Sekou's poker face. I think it's like a address.

[E]

Is it 227? Was she in that?

[D]

That's it. That's it.

[E]

Okay, good poll.

[D]

Yes. I think that's it. Sekou.

[F]

Yep, that was correct. It was 227. So next category is in the category of music, specifically the recent Grammys. What song, originally released on YouTube by Doshi in 2019, was nominated for Song of the Year at the 2026 Grammys? After gaining traction on TikTok with Will Smith and Tatiana Ali using the song to recreate a classic dance from the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

[C]

Is this the one our friend worked on?

[D]

Yeah, our friend Brian Colored. He colored my. I can't remember the name of the song. It's a My Anxiety one.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Which uses the. What's the name of that other artist you don't even have to go ta.

[B]

That itself is a sample of a previous. An older song.

[D]

Yeah, but I think the one Sekou is talking about, he's mentioning the dance, which we used to do in high school, which is the dump, dump, dump. Da, da, da, da. Oh, don't. What is that? What's that? Eden, do you remember the.

[E]

No.

[D]

Jump on it. Jump on it. What song did she do that had that sample? Is it the same one? Is it anxiety?

[C]

Maybe.

[D]

I know what the original one is.

[C]

Well, we got a song.

[D]

A song?

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Is there anything ringing a bell, Eden?

[E]

No. This is a black hole for me. I'm not very good with recent music, and the. The song from, like, the. The. From school is not ringing a bell for me. I'm a little bit older than you guys, too.

[D]

Yeah, right.

[C]

Both, I think.

[D]

Yeah, both. Shoot. Are we getting close, Sekou?

[F]

I think. I think you guys might have said it.

[D]

My anxiety.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Yep. So that is.

[C]

I think Neil was just getting lost in that question.

[D]

I was. Yeah.

[B]

It was his anxiety.

[F]

Yep. So it was. It was anxiety. Pretty. Pretty simple.

[E]

So.

[F]

So. Yep. So it looks like both teams got that one. The next question is going to be on January 3, 2023. Patty Murray was the first woman to hold what position? That is third in the line of presidential succession.

[C]

Third in the line. So that would be one step beyond speaker of the House.

[B]

Vice President is first.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you have speaker of the House.

[C]

Scary stuff.

[B]

The President Pro Tempore of the Senate is after that.

[C]

So that's the answer.

[B]

And then you go through cabinet positions.

[D]

So President Pro Tempore of the Senate.

[E]

Yep.

[D]

You feel good with that, Eden?

[B]

Yep.

[D]

Okay.

[F]

Yep. So. So that is correct. That was President Pro Tem of the Senate. Now, interesting note on that. That usually goes to the most senior member of the majority party. So technically, that would have gone to Dianne Feinstein, but obviously, due to her condition and everything like that, Patty Murray kind of took it over. So it wasn't Dianne Feinstein, it was Patty Murray.

[B]

She passed away that year, too, didn't she?

[F]

Yeah, I think she. Yeah, she did pass away, but even when she was alive, technically, you know, but Patty Murray had that job, so. All right, so the next question is, why can't I get a trophy? So, when Penn State joined the big 10 in 1993, a trophy game was established with fellow Big Ten member Michigan State. What is the name of the trophy? It references how both schools got their start with public funding from the Murrow act of 1862.

[C]

Boy, I know nothing about this one.

[D]

These are the toughest questions. The college. They have so many trophies in college.

[B]

Are you talking about, like.

[E]

I know. I know the one between them and the. In the U of M in Minnesota.

[B]

That's the.

[E]

It's the Little Brown Jug.

[B]

Little Brown Jug. Yeah.

[D]

It's always, like, the little pig.

[B]

Isn't there, like, a wood chopper one?

[E]

And there's like, a. Yeah, the axes with Wisconsin, right?

[D]

Yeah. It's like the junk drawer of Troubleshooter.

[C]

How about a sea turtle with a straw?

[B]

That doesn't. It's not even like. It's like. Okay, did you win the Big Ten championship? Like, that's great, but you win one game. Come on, guys.

[D]

Sekou, without giving away the answer, obviously, to the question, is there a trophy that Michigan has won that has a random name?

[F]

So the Michigan and Michigan State trophy is the Paul Bunyan.

[B]

Paul Bunyan. That's the one I was thinking of.

[F]

But this trophy, it kind of references what both schools are. So they're in a specific type of category, is what I'll say.

[D]

Okay, and you said it was Penn State and Michigan State?

[F]

Yeah, Penn State and Michigan State.

[C]

So they received public funding.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Is this the whole land grant university thing?

[D]

Oh, like the land grant trophy.

[C]

Let's go with that.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Grant trophy.

[E]

Along that line.

[F]

Yep. So that was correct. It was the land. It is the land grant trophy.

[D]

Eden is a rock star. That's all I'm going to say. That was great. Land grant. Okay, cool. So we're five for five. And mostly because of Eden. You got the 227, and you got the land grant trophy.

[C]

Yeah. All together, all four of us make a pretty good team.

[E]

Yes. Yes.

[D]

And great questions, Sekou. These are awesome. Cool.

[F]

Thank you. Thank you. All right, so the next one is going to be regarding film adaptations. So this question is, what famous 1987 legal thriller by Scott Turow has been Adapted as a 1990 movie and a 2024 series on Apple TV with Harrison Ford and Jake Gyllenhaal each featured in the leading role?

[D]

All right, I know this one. I'm pretty sure, but I don't want to harsh anyone's mellow.

[C]

Oh, I remember this.

[E]

I remember the Apple TV show.

[D]

Do you know the Apple? Yeah, because it's the same title. If you know the Apple TV show, Shrinking or Not Shrinking, we're looking at

[C]

Jake Gyllenhaal for the recent one.

[D]

Yeah, Jake Gyllenhaal.

[C]

I remember seeing the trailers for this one and looked kind of intriguing.

[D]

Yeah, the original movie. Harrison Ford, actually. Well, we're talking about your director question. He's had such a great run of movies, but great thrillers. With like, Witness and Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford?

[B]

Somebody directing?

[D]

No, acting. Acting?

[C]

But he's Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

[D]

Yeah, that one. Take. Take or leave. Yeah. So I. I'm assuming Sekou is looking for. The original movie is great. I haven't seen the new series with Jake Gyllenhaal, but Presumed Innocent.

[B]

Oh, yep,

[F]

yep, yep. So that is correct. It was Presumed innocent.

[D]

So in the. You know, Harrison ford in the 1990 was presumed innocent. And then the Fugitive, he was innocent, but wrongly convicted. Yeah. Anyway.

[F]

Cool. All right, next question is. I guess you didn't tell me there was going to be grammar in this game.

[D]

You're telling us.

[F]

Okay, so the famous Julius Caesar quote. I came, I saw, I conquered. An example of an ascendedent. That's a S, Y, N, D, E, T, O, N, which is a sentence missing. What part of speech?

[C]

Well, if I break it down,

[D]

I

[C]

guess what the sentences would be missing grammatically would be an object, right?

[B]

Well, I would be the object, wouldn't it?

[C]

No, it would be the subject object.

[D]

Eden, what do you think?

[E]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too,

[C]

because he's saying he. He came somewhere, but he doesn't mention where. He saw something, but didn't. Doesn't mention what, and he conquered something, but he didn't say what.

[D]

So I guess, yeah, I agree with him. All right, well, if Aiden says it's correct, I'll trust Eden.

[F]

Okay, so, unfortunately, this is the first question I don't trust Eden.

[D]

No, I'm just kidding.

[F]

So I guess I could technically be correct. But predicate is actually means missing a conjunction. So instead of saying I came, I saw, and I conquered, there was missing a conjunction in that sense.

[D]

That's what I wrote down over here. Wrote down and. And I wrote down conjunctivitis. There's a great TikTok I just saw. It's like this guy who loves history. And I didn't know this, but I'm going to butcher this, too. I apologize. But when Caesar was killed. Yeah. The person I think who was following in his footsteps, or his friend who was supposed to be there, who was like his protector, they did not invite to whatever meeting they invited Caesar to, and then they killed Caesar. So that guy was kind of. Or his friend who was like, really muscular. I'm getting all this wrong, but I'll.

[C]

Caesar's Jeff.

[D]

Yes, Caesar's Jeff. But then that guy. I am a praetor and Caesar's kid, I think. Octavio. Something like that. They got a list of everyone who Spurned Caesar and then started murdering them all by one. Like revenge.

[B]

You're talking about Octavian.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

Later, Augustus.

[C]

I think this is our episode.

[B]

He was an adopted child of Caesar.

[D]

Was he?

[C]

Okay, this was on our episode a

[D]

couple weeks ago, I think, that I wasn't on.

[C]

Yeah, correct.

[D]

Okay. Well, it's. Well, it's in my.

[C]

Some of it.

[D]

Yeah. Anyway, it's a great story, though. You like revenge, so I just let you know.

[B]

Yeah. Octavian and Mark Antony go around and just start murking people. Mm.

[F]

Cool. All right, next question is, what's wrong with Ben? So the question is, at the 2012 Academy Awards in March of 2013, Ben Affleck experienced what oddity that had not occurred since the 1989 Academy Awards? Since that time, this event has also happened at the 2018 and 2021 Academy Awards.

[C]

Is it the movie star winning Best Picture or something like that?

[D]

This was 2012. You said 2013.

[F]

Yep. So at the 2012 Academy Awards that were held in, you know, March, you know, they do it like a year later, you know, so.

[D]

So I know it was a big deal.

[B]

Was that the Argo year?

[D]

Argo year, yeah. Usually statistically, in the Oscars, usually, the director always wins when the picture wins because they're helm's the Best Picture. And he didn't win Best Director, which was a kind of a scandal, but it won Best Picture. And let's see. 89 would have been.

[C]

That was one of the weakest years on record.

[D]

Yeah, so that makes sense.

[C]

And he said 2023 too. That might have been the Coda year.

[D]

Yep. And then 2021, Moonlight One. But Barry Jenkins didn't win, or I guess it would have been the opposite. Barry Jenkins would have had to have one, and moonlight didn't. But. Yeah. What do you think, Eden?

[E]

Yeah, no, that I agree with you. That's what I was thinking as well.

[D]

Okay, so Sekou, basically, director. The Best Picture wins, but the director doesn't. Specific.

[F]

Yeah, a little bit more specific. I'm sorry.

[D]

Okay, so.

[C]

Oh, what about a movie, a Best Picture that. That wins but doesn't get any other Awards?

[D]

Oh, yeah, that could happen. Yeah. I'm trying to think, because. No, Argo won for screenplay.

[B]

I believe it won. Didn't it win Best Picture?

[D]

It won Best Picture. Yeah, but Ken was saying maybe it just won Best Picture only.

[B]

Was he not even nominated for Best Director?

[D]

No, he. Oh, maybe that's the snub there. Yeah, let's do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

The director wasn't even nominated but the picture won.

[F]

You are correct. Those were all years where the director film for best picture, but wasn't even listed as one of the nominees for best director.

[C]

How could that be? That's weird.

[D]

Was that Driving Miss Daisy?

[B]

I was gonna say wasn't 89 Miss Daisy?

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[F]

Yep, I was Driving Miss Daisy. So. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Crazy win.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Next question is, what happened to my Ira?

[B]

Not this week. I ain't talking about it this week.

[F]

Okay, so in 2021, Blake Bailey released the first authorized biography of what then recently deceased authority that was known for his exploration of the American Jewish identity in his works such as Goodbye Columbus, American Pastoral, and the Human Stain. So just need the name of the author that he wrote about.

[B]

I've heard of American Pastoral.

[C]

Yeah, I know a few of these titles.

[E]

Yep.

[C]

Same recently passed as of 2021, About the American Jewish experience too. Mm. It's not. Nothing's really coming up for me.

[D]

Yeah, me either. I know the book titles. Eden, anything on your end?

[E]

No, I am in the same boat as you guys. I know the book titles, especially American Pastoral and the Human Strain, but.

[C]

Oh, might have to tap out on this one. Unless Jeff has an idea. Not really.

[B]

Unless the name's Ira. Something he's talking about.

[D]

Oh, yeah, you're right, Ira. It's not Ira Glass.

[B]

Nope, still with us.

[C]

Good poll. Good poll there.

[D]

Yeah. Ira. That sounds so familiar.

[B]

I don't know.

[D]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[C]

Go ahead and let us know. We tap.

[F]

So the answer is Philip Roth.

[D]

Oh, Philip Roth. Ira.

[F]

Ira Roth. Ira.

[D]

Okay, you're close, Jeff. Good. Good pull there, though.

[B]

Something. Trying something. Didn't work.

[C]

But he had to give us at least one little, like, tax clue attacks tax adjacent clue.

[D]

Have you ever written an all tax inspired game, Seiko for your. For any of your games?

[F]

Oh, I mean, if I did, I don't think anyone would play it outside of work, so.

[D]

Or even just the cat.

[C]

Thanks for listening to today's episode. Anyways.

[F]

Well, I did kind of proposed that because we do do employee engagements for my job where, you know, we'll, you know, kind of write trivia questions. And I. And I thought about doing something, you know, win Lita's money. She's a resident expert in my department where we'd ask, like, really hard tax questions and then whoever, you know, gets first would go head to head, you know, like Ben Stide's money. But some of my co workers thought that was too intense for one of our recreational charities.

[C]

It's weird that you've Described exactly my personal hell. People ask me tax questions. What's. What's ironic about Sekou asking us Roth IRA question. Do you know what? It's tax exempt. Oh, it's post tax.

[D]

That's. Oh, it's true. Yeah.

[B]

It's not tax exempt.

[C]

It's not tax exempt. You've already paid post tax.

[D]

You just write it off like, he can't touch it.

[C]

You can't touch it.

[B]

He works for the government. They can touch whatever they want. Sorry, that unintended double meaning.

[F]

So I guess going to tax. I do have a tax question. This kind of relates kind of to my job. So the category is, is this why I have to pay sales taxes on my Amazon purchases? All right, so the question is, in 2018, the Supreme Court ruled that it was very fair to allow states to impose sales taxes on online retailers that did not have a physical presence in their state. What furniture retailer was named in the case?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Well, the biggest online furniture retailer I can think of, like, Wayfair.

[D]

Yeah, Wayfair.

[B]

Ikea or ikea. I was thinking of, like, digital only, like, because, like, Wayfair, until recently didn't even have any brick and mortar stores.

[C]

You know what Wayfair. Ikea.

[D]

Correct.

[B]

IKEA does.

[C]

I seem to remember Wayfair being tied up in this, but it would make sense.

[B]

I mean, like, they ship stuff on our roads and stuff. Like, why wouldn't we? Yeah, I mean, we paid right where

[E]

my brain went to.

[C]

I used to shop at this great brick and mortar stores website for, like, outdoor equipment, climbing equipment and stuff. Tax free. Because it was in Oregon or something. It was great.

[D]

You think Wayfair, too?

[B]

Eden, they're doing away with that.

[C]

No, I know, but we're going to

[B]

say Wayfair, usually you have to pay taxes where you receive the items now.

[F]

Right? So that is correct. That answer was Wayfair. So before that Supreme Court case, a state couldn't force a retailer to collect sales taxes for their sales unless they had some sort of physical presence. But that Supreme Court case, states can make retailers collect it if they, you know, have substantial business. Like a hundred thousand transactions or if they have, like, I think it's like 300. 300 transactions in a year. So. Okay, good. Good job, guys. Getting that Wayfair question.

[B]

You know, people who have those bumper stickers they put on their Teslas, being like, I bought this before Elon was crazy, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I need one.

[C]

Hey, Jeff, let's not be too political here.

[B]

I need one that describes my relationship With Amazon, which is I used to shop here because I didn't pay taxes like way, way back in the day, like 15 years ago. Like the reason I started like buying a crapload of stuff from Amazon because it was tax exempt. Or rather they didn't collect the taxes.

[D]

Well, one thing that our team here start over, one thing our team here, close but not quite was exempt from was wrong answers because we did pretty well. We had eight out of 10. So we have 80 points.

[B]

So we weren't exempt.

[D]

There were, there were two. But almost, almost exit. Yeah. So we have 80 points. So home.

[B]

Glad Neil doesn't do our taxes because he doesn't understand the word exemption.

[D]

As David says in Schitt's Creek, you just write it off.

[C]

Write off the points that we missed.

[D]

Write it off. So we're at 80 out of 100. So at home, if you're.

[C]

But if we write off the points that we miss, it's 100.

[D]

It's 100, right? Yeah. Cool. Do it for us. He'll write it off for us. We'll be fine.

[C]

One thing that we can't write off is our appreciation. Yes. Our appreciation and the value of our patrons.

[D]

Right. We have two Oakland Fives here in the studio today, which we greatly appreciate. Not here, here, not here here, but over the Internet, over the wave. The waves that are going in our

[C]

brain through the tubes.

[D]

Through the tubes. So thank you to both of them. If you'd like to join Eden and Sekou, you can go to patreon.com trivialitypodcast get all of our episodes ad free as well as weekly bonuses where you get four a month. So if you, if you'd like to join us and help support the show, we'd very much appreciate your help. And you don't get those pesky ads on Spotify or Apple podcasts Overcast. Wherever you listen to your show, make

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[C]

Let's jump on into the second half of our game here.

[F]

All right. All right. So. All right. So question 11. The question is, who is the other bachelor? So it's well known in the trivia community that James Buchanan is the only US President to never marry. Which other president was a bachelor when elected, but married Frances Folsom while in the White House?

[B]

Ooh.

[E]

Yep.

[D]

Oh, you know.

[C]

Oh, you know this one?

[E]

I think so. Isn't this Grover Cleveland? He got married in the White House.

[C]

That seems about right. I was thinking about that era, too.

[D]

Wow. I didn't realize he got married.

[C]

Was it on the first. The first time or the second time?

[E]

I think so, yeah. It was on the first time.

[D]

They. They fell in love over their shared love of claw bats.

[C]

And the. That was Taft that you're thinking of, I think.

[D]

Oh, I'm maybe thinking of Taft. I always mixed it up.

[B]

Are you referencing a myth getting stuck in a bathtub?

[D]

No, they say, like taking baths. Oh, I thought maybe I'm convincing or. Yeah. Mistaking both of them. I always do that.

[C]

We're going to say Grover Cleveland.

[B]

They both had our favorite Grover.

[D]

Favorite Grover.

[B]

Wow. Sesame street slander, my friend.

[C]

Sorry.

[F]

Yep, Yep, that was. That was Grover Cleveland. Good job, teams. Good job, teams.

[D]

Are you a big Grover Cleveland fan, Eden?

[E]

Can't say I give him much thought.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

I mean, weirdly, she has a baseball cap that says 2224 on the side,

[C]

so you know who? I never gave much thought it until death by lightning is Garfield. What an interesting.

[B]

James A. Yeah.

[C]

What an interesting miniseries that was. Everybody should watch it.

[B]

He was the. The interstitial president of. Of him. Right. Wasn't.

[C]

What?

[B]

Wasn't he the one who came between Taft in Cleveland? No, no, no.

[D]

Or Cleveland.

[E]

Cleveland and Cleveland.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No, he was.

[C]

He was right before Arthur because he was assassinated.

[F]

I think Benjamin Harrison was. Was. Was a sandwich between the.

[B]

That's the one I was saying.

[C]

That's Harrison. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

He was a salami between the two slices of Cleveland bread.

[C]

Spoiler alert, Field is assassin.

[B]

Because I always think of Cleveland and Harrison, and then I never think about Cleveland. Then I think about McKinley, because, like, in my head, I just have to. I just want to know all of them. Yeah. The 1800s were a wild time.

[F]

Harrison was like Biden, you know, Biden and Trump, you know, same. Yeah.

[B]

I thought that was the only one I was ever going to have to learn in my lifetime.

[F]

All right, our next question is a poet laureate who did not publish what ironically named English poet did not have any published works during his tenure as poet laureate from 1843 to 1850. His autobiographical work the Prelude was published posthumously, though.

[B]

This is someone named Print. I mean, if they're ironically named and they never published.

[C]

Maybe.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Yeah, or somebody named Writer.

[D]

Printer. Writer. Yeah, that's good, too.

[C]

What do we like? Printer?

[D]

Yeah. I don't know, Eden, Anything?

[E]

No. I like those thoughts, though.

[B]

Print, writer, which poet laureate? What?

[E]

Right.

[C]

1850s or so.

[F]

Yep. 1843 to 1850.

[D]

Ironically, post posthumously.

[C]

Let's say printer, shall we?

[D]

Sure, sure.

[F]

All right. The answer was William Wordsworth.

[B]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

[F]

He didn't publish any words when he was poet laureate, so. Okay.

[C]

Was it worth it?

[F]

Okay. All right, next question, I guess, is in the category of sports. And thankfully, this can't ever happen again due to a 1996 rule change in the Football Bowl Subdivision. The 1983 Oregon v Oregon State game was the last and final time what event ever happened in a college football game?

[C]

Dog played football Is the airbud.

[B]

Is the airbud controversy.

[C]

Airbud two or whatever.

[D]

Yeah. There's no rule that says a dog can't play. I'm trying to remember if we had a similar fact like this. There was that one. The one game where. Or one rule where you're not allowed

[B]

to end in a tie.

[D]

I was thinking.

[B]

I can't imagine they'd want a bowl game to end in a tie, then

[C]

camp football games end in ties, though.

[B]

No, not. Not like competitive games anymore, really. I mean, like, season games can. But like playoff games and all. The customer. They never want you to have it. Ties.

[C]

I think that's a pretty good. That's a pretty good guess.

[F]

Yeah. Eden, what do you think?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah, that's. That's what Jumped into my head first, too.

[C]

Or you can't rush the field and take down the goal post.

[D]

That was that one we got, though. Yeah. Because it stopped at a certain point. I can't remember.

[C]

Yeah, we'll say. And ending in a tie, though.

[F]

Is it possible you can be a little bit more specific?

[D]

Maybe 00. No, that wouldn't matter because they couldn't. Yeah. Was the game just so bad that they Never scored?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

00.

[F]

Yep. That is correct.

[B]

It was the last game without a score. Huh?

[F]

Last final game. That was 00. And as of 1996, that's when they instituted the overtime rules for college football. So, yeah, it can't ever happen again. So. No, I think it was called the toilet bowl. That's the name of the game.

[D]

I can't imagine spending thousands of dollars to go to a big bowl game. It's just zero, zero.

[B]

It was the 80s. People were spending like 18 bucks and grabbing a beer.

[D]

Well, they're all on Coke, I suppose, so I think no one probably cared.

[B]

Not Everybody in the 80s was on coke.

[D]

Everyone.

[B]

Some of them did speed.

[D]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[E]

And then have to come in. It was such a good defensive game.

[F]

I think some, you know.

[D]

Yeah, mushrooms. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, look, you might have felt foolish spending money to go to that game, but, you know, more recently, people also spent money to go to see Paul versus Tyson.

[D]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

So, yeah, I would have gone to see the Paul Anthony Joshua fight, though.

[D]

Oh.

[C]

Little satisfaction.

[B]

Love Anthony Joshua.

[C]

All right, let's move on here.

[F]

All right, so next question is in the category of he did that. And the question is, after failing to get the part of Rudy on the Cosby show, what actor starred as the youngest son of Flip Wilson and Gladys Knight for one season on Charlie and company in the 1985. 86 television series before getting his breakout role four years later?

[C]

I'm not going to know this one.

[B]

So that would put the breakout role as 90.

[D]

Yeah. I was just trying to think about. It could be Jill White. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, that might be right. It's either Jill White or.

[B]

Or I'm thinking someone who's also like Alfonso Ribeiro.

[D]

Alfonso Roberto. I was thinking, yeah, it's either him or Jewel White, because that'd be 1990. Would be their breakout role.

[C]

Was there a category for this one?

[B]

Was it.

[C]

Did I do that?

[F]

Yeah, he did that.

[D]

Okay, so. Yeah.

[B]

Gotti Cheese Eden.

[D]

What do you think? Julil White.

[E]

Yep.

[F]

Yep, that is correct. That was Jaleel White.

[B]

Can I tell you that I'm really sad that Jaleel White didn't go on to become the most famous actor of all time after. After Family Matters. Now I love Family Matters a lot, especially as a native Chicagoan. Right?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But just the transition between Steve Urkel and Stefan Urkel. My God.

[D]

I mean, that's Daniel. Yeah. Jeff.

[C]

Don't worry. I think he's doing fine. He got paid.

[D]

He's got a. That's. That's pretty fun though. You got one iconic character. You can just kind of live off that.

[C]

And speaking of which, I just watched the Paul Reubens two part documentary, the Pee Wee as himself. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, very interesting actually.

[F]

Paul Rubens ever do interviews out of character?

[C]

He did. Later, later, later.

[F]

All right, next. Next question is how can I stop my 13 year old from. From watching Sex and the City?

[B]

Give them a TikTok.

[F]

What? Device that was inspired by the 1996 Telecommunications act became mandated on all American televisions manufactured after January 1st of 2000.

[D]

This makes sense, I think,

[B]

with what you know about Sex and the City.

[D]

Well, I do know a lot about Sex and the City, but I'm assuming it's probably like you're a Samantha. Your Samantha. Okay, that's fine. I'm not Miranda.

[B]

Yeah. You want your Carrie. I guess you could.

[D]

I like Carrie. Well, I write on a laptop all the time.

[B]

I know. I was just thinking about that.

[C]

Isn't she like horrible?

[D]

She. She is. She should have just married Aiden.

[G]

Elvis.

[D]

But it's fine. There's a lot of drama with Carrie.

[B]

Yeah, don't worry. This is our new podcast.

[C]

This is important to the question.

[D]

I'm thinking maybe like your, your tv, parental controls where you can kind of stop.

[E]

Yeah, that's.

[D]

Yeah. I don't know if there's a name for that though. Eden. Do you know or.

[E]

Yeah, that's what I was. Because he said device and I just think of it as parental control.

[D]

There's not like an ad.

[B]

Is that when they came out with like the ratings, like the Y7 and all that stuff and I don't know if you could like block certain stuff.

[D]

Well, they have it on like Netflix now too, where it has the kids. Where it doesn't have any adult options. But is it. Is that.

[C]

I just deleted. I just deleted the automatic kids profile on mine.

[D]

Oh, did you?

[C]

Yeah, because I want adult stuff.

[F]

So I'm guessing one of the specific item.

[D]

Oh, it's an item. Okay.

[F]

Yeah. I mean, what it's called the perma control. What it's called.

[D]

So is there okay. Was this something you added to your tv, like an actual item?

[B]

They had to put it on your tv, I think.

[F]

Yeah, I think they put it on your TV and it kind of let parents kind of censor what their kids were watching.

[D]

Wow. Okay. I'm trying to. I don't know if I remember this. Eden, do you remember?

[E]

Yeah, I don't remember the name of it.

[C]

Well, it'd have to be some sort of attachment, right? On the tv. So like. Like an HDMI input or some kind of AUX input.

[D]

Maybe the unic. Aux. I don't know.

[C]

Optic. Optic input. That's usually for sound, right? Yeah, optic.

[D]

Any. Any hints, Seku?

[F]

I like to eat mine with sour cream and onion.

[D]

Oh, like the chip.

[E]

Chip.

[C]

Chip.

[D]

Parental control chip.

[C]

The V chip.

[F]

Oh, yeah, that's correct. The V chip.

[D]

Wow. The V chip.

[B]

Okay, there's the sex on the setting.

[C]

When did you lose your V chip?

[D]

We're not taking credit for that, right? Because we had to get the hint.

[B]

Neil pried his V chip out as soon as he moved out of the house.

[D]

Pride it out. All right, so we won't take credit for that question. So we only got 30 points there in the first half, which is still Good.

[C]

We had 80 before. We had 80 pre write off. So we're at 110.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

All right, I guess. Next question, I guess being Chicago, I guess you're Blackhawks fans. So this one is Neil and the Eddie Eagles. That's the category. So Neil Broughton along with Ed Belfor are the only two NHL players to accomplish what hockey feat Clyde Lovelett, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, and most recently Anthony Davis, along with four others, have accomplished the basketball equivalent.

[B]

Were they top scorer, league MVP and finals mvp?

[D]

Anthony Edwards wasn't the. Because they didn't win the Finals.

[C]

Oh, yeah, he's with Anthony Edwards.

[B]

He's with the Timberwolves.

[F]

I'm sorry, Anthony Davis.

[B]

Ad. Right.

[D]

Oh, A.D. you said okay. From ER.

[C]

I was gonna say

[D]

he had a generational run. Goose. Let's see. Michael Jordan. Who? It was Anthony Davis, Michael Jordan, and

[F]

Magic Johnson and Clyde Lovelet along with four others.

[C]

Do you think it could be some kind of like Iron man thing where they, they. They didn't miss games?

[D]

It's possible. Yeah. Jordan hardly ever missed. I think he missed like three games ever. Anthony Davis missed misses all the time, though. He's always injured. He's like Joel Embiid and Joel Embiid.

[C]

Yeah, the glass man.

[D]

Trying to think. Well, Jordan's famous for. I don't think Anthony Davis had this. But Jordan's always famous for being offensive player, but really good on defense. So he would win, like, MVP plus defensive Player of the Year.

[B]

Ah, okay. Yeah, I can see that. So being MVP and defensive Player of the Year for hockey.

[D]

Yeah. Do you know anything about those players? I don't know anything about hockey, so I don't know.

[B]

That is a rare combo. I would assume it's even rarer in hockey.

[C]

I don't know if. I mean, sure have to go through Belfort, not.

[E]

Jordan was from Minnesota.

[D]

Oh, yeah, there you go. Or could it be scoring? I don't think Anthony Edwards was a scoring leader, but scoring leader plus defensive leader. I don't know.

[B]

In the NBA right now. I don't think 80 is the.

[C]

I think that's a good. MVP

[B]

and defensive player of the year.

[D]

Okay.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Okay. So the actual answer was winning an Olympic gold medal, a college national championship, and win a professional and win the Stanley Cup. So Neil Broughton, he won, you know, he was on that Miracle on Ice team. He won a college championship with University of Minnesota, and he was, I believe, on that Devils team that did that to my red wings in 95.

[E]

Yeah, I knew that he was on the Olympics.

[C]

Can't say I feel bad.

[B]

We understand. We have our own traumas here. Yeah.

[F]

And you know, Ed Belfor, he won a college championship with North Dakota. He won a Stanley cup with the Dallas Stars, and he was on the 2002 Canadian Gold Olympic gold medal team. And Clyde Lovelett was the first NBA player to achieve all three of those, too. And most recently, Anthony Davis did it when he won the title with LeBron. He obviously won with Kentucky, and he's won a few gold medals.

[B]

It was a lot rarer in the NBA before, because usually you would either play professional or play on the Olympic team. But no, it's just like, come on, let's bring him out. Let's bring him out, guys.

[F]

Yeah. And like, my dude, Isaiah, he would have gotten it, but, you know, they had the boycott in the 1980 Games, which he would have gone. And fortunately, your guy in Chicago kept him off of that dream team, so.

[D]

That's right.

[B]

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about.

[D]

Are you a Detroit guy?

[B]

Oh, were the Pistons a team that were relevant in the 80s and 90s?

[F]

Your boy. Captain off. Captain off. Joining that club, you know.

[D]

So Isaiah went to school maybe, like, three minutes from us. Yeah.

[B]

St. Joe's oh, yeah, that's right.

[D]

Yeah. It's Are you in Detroit? All the way on everything like hockey, basketball, football. That's up.

[F]

Yep, yep. You know, so. Born and raised here, you know, for going on 42 years. So I love my. I love my sports and, you know, I love my. Love my Michigan Wolverines too. Went to, went to school there, so.

[D]

Oh, nice.

[F]

Those are kind of. Kind of my schools.

[C]

What about the Detroit snooker team? You support them?

[D]

Is there a snooker team?

[B]

I don't think yet, no. It's coming, though. Snooker is going to have its year.

[C]

That's the tea of sports.

[D]

The T of sports we learned last week. That's right.

[F]

All right, so our next question is why are women the hidden figures? So English chemist Rosalind. Rosalind Franklin is considered the forgotten partner of what famous scientific duo known for their famous 1953 discovery.

[B]

So I'm. I'm normally very calm on this show as well.

[C]

Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

[B]

Yeah. That's. That's my demeanor.

[C]

You never get fired up?

[B]

I never ever get fired up. But yeah, the way I describe this whole situation is, and I quote, some bull. Yeah. Do you know. Do you know Neil?

[D]

So elaborate. I do, but elaborate for.

[C]

I can't remember the doctor's name.

[D]

Eden.

[E]

I know the story, but I can't remember the doctor's names right now.

[B]

Yeah, Watson and Crick.

[C]

Watson or like Watson and Crook. Am I right? Exactly.

[B]

The discoverers, giant air quotes over here of the nature of DNA.

[F]

Yep, yep. So that was Watson and Crick, you know, discovering Watson and prick.

[B]

There we go. Got them. They're dead.

[C]

But do I have to bleed Prick? I don't know.

[B]

I think in this context it's totally allowable.

[D]

All right, now I just pin pricked with a pin. I guess that's what we're talking about.

[C]

We use so many diverse swears on this podcast that sometimes I don't know what's allowed or what.

[B]

We promise. I mean, we censor ourselves. Yeah.

[C]

To be honest, it's our own. It's our own. Yeah. Sorry, kids.

[D]

That's what drove Eden away to check out other podcasts.

[C]

Can I.

[D]

We're on a break.

[C]

Can you hand me over that soapbox? Now if you're done with it, you

[B]

can have my soapbox back.

[F]

All right, all right. The. The next question is, how do you make tapioca pudding? What? Woody shrub. A woody shrub native to tropical climates is the third largest source of carbohydrates in the tropic, in the tropics, after maize and rice, and is also known for its starch being Used to make tapioca pudding.

[B]

Oh, really?

[C]

Huh. Not tapioca.

[B]

I had no idea.

[D]

Yeah. Eden, do you like tapioca?

[C]

Tapioca is tapioca.

[D]

Yeah. It's not bamboo. Bamboo. I don't know why I thought of bamboo right away. That's wrong.

[B]

It's not rice pudding. It's obviously rice. Is

[C]

tropics. What would you consider tropics? Because I know in Africa, sorghum was a huge, like, grain.

[E]

Sorghum.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

I also went to cassava. Cassava root.

[C]

That strikes me as more. More on par with what he's describing.

[E]

Yeah. That's tropical. I think of it as starchy.

[C]

Yeah, I like cassava. I think that's a good answer.

[D]

I don't know anything about roots or pudding. Cassava.

[E]

It's fun to say.

[F]

Yep, that is correct. That is cassava. So my dad's side of the family is African. They're from Liberia. And one of the things is they. One of the dishes that they make is they use a lot of leaves from plants, so they'll use, like, yam leaves. And one of the best dishes that he cooks is with cassava leaves. So that's kind of the. Yeah. Some cassava leaf. Hopefully he'll make some tonight. You know, when I go over his house.

[C]

Nice. Send him a text ahead of time.

[D]

Are you going to Sporkle con assuming a 2026?

[F]

Oh, yeah, definitely. I'll be there. In Schaumburg. I was there last year. That was my first time going.

[D]

Can you bring some of your dad's cooking and we can share it with you? I'd love to try it. I want to try it. Casserole.

[C]

Liberian.

[F]

Yeah, it's good. Cassava leaf. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's real good. The next question is, what do Fall Out Boy and SZA have in common? What song inspired by an early 2000s film was the first US Billboard number one hit by the American rapper SZA?

[C]

2000s film. I don't know. I haven't followed SZA's career that much, but maybe we could relate it back to a Fallout Boy thing.

[D]

Yeah, I'm trying to think, too. Fall out boy, early 2000s film.

[C]

Oh, kill Bill, probably right. Or Pulp Fiction, because Fall Out Boy had that Uma Thurman song. Oh, like to dance like Uma Thurman, which is a Pulp Fiction reference.

[D]

That's possible. Yeah. But, well.

[B]

Oh, it says I had a song called Kill Bill, so. Right.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So we'll say Kill Bill.

[B]

I was hearing RZA at first, when you're talking about Kill Bill, I was thinking about the music. Odd.

[C]

Kill Bill. No, silly. This is Sza.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Very different.

[B]

Yes.

[F]

Yep. So that is correct. That was Kill Bill. That was Kill Bill.

[C]

Well, we sussed that one out.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

Everybody knew a little piece of that.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

I'm glad you were here. This once again, team effort. I had no idea

[D]

that's what we're here for.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

All right. I guess. Question 20.

[D]

20. Yeah.

[F]

Yep. Does Murphy Brown do the sprinting or long distance events in the middle? In the mid-1990s, Candice Bergen was known for sprints commercials for long distance phone calls.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

At what price a minute?

[C]

Bet you it was so 99 cents.

[B]

Something like. Well, I remember. Remember 10. 10, 3, 2, 1.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I feel like their price point was like, 99 cents a minute, something like that.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. I had 99 cents or $1.99.

[B]

My head.

[E]

We actually had sprint long distance.

[C]

I think 99 cents. If I go into my mind palace. That's what my gut says.

[D]

Yeah. What do you think, Eden?

[E]

Yeah, I go with that.

[B]

There's an economic theory that talks about how, like, the more available something is, obviously, like, the more people will use it. So, like, obviously, I'm willing to call people long distance whenever now, because it's not 99 cents a minute, but I still, you know, barely pick up the phone to call people, so.

[C]

So we're gonna say 99 cents.

[F]

That sounds like a. One of those phone lines in the back of a magazine that you.

[B]

Yeah, those are more than 99 cents a minute.

[D]

That's where Jeff lost his V chip.

[F]

That was. It was actually 10 cents because, remember, they had all those dimes, Those dime commercials. 10 cents a minute.

[D]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Is that why it was 10, 10, 3, 2, 1?

[C]

Maybe.

[D]

Maybe.

[B]

I kind of remember the MCI. Remember the MCI dime commercial?

[D]

Kind of. Yeah, kind of.

[B]

Neil, you're supposed to know about commercials.

[D]

I know. I know that one. I don't remember that.

[F]

Well.

[C]

Well, after the points auditing here, it looks like we're at 140.

[D]

140. We have a perfect score. Yeah, Right. After the audit.

[B]

After audit. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Before we do our final five questions, just one more thank you to our patrons here for joining us and supporting the show. If you'd like to join them, go to patreon.comtriciality podcast this episode is brought

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[C]

And we are back and we are ready for the final five.

[F]

So the first question is who? Who played Kadim's Kadeem, Hardison's love interest in a different world?

[C]

I'm not familiar with this. Are you guys?

[B]

No, I'm not.

[C]

Eden, do you know I watched the show.

[D]

I'm trying to think and that I'm

[E]

trying to think too. It's like I can picture the characters and I'm just trying to remember names.

[C]

I don't know this show at all.

[D]

So are these all you said this all five are a theme? Kind of.

[F]

Yep. So all Five of them kind of. Kind of fit together.

[D]

Maybe we table it, we'll come back.

[F]

Okay.

[D]

It doesn't just cuz they're themed. I wonder if it'll help us get back to. Because I know. I can picture it. I just can't think of the name.

[F]

Yeah, the second one. What film in 1989 garnered the first of many Academy Award nominations for Julia Roberts?

[C]

1989. Is that Pretty Woman?

[B]

Is it 89 or 99?

[D]

Yeah, Pretty Woman was.

[C]

That's much later, right?

[B]

It was like 90.

[D]

Oh, Mystic Pizza would have been.

[C]

Yeah, so maybe that's. That could be it.

[D]

Yeah, that could. Mystic Pizza or. I don't think she would have got an Oscar nomination for Sleeping with the Enemy. Probably not. That was more of a dramatic eating anything on that. This one.

[E]

When you said Mystic Pizza, I know that was one of her very early films, so.

[D]

Oh, you know what she probably would have got nominated for? Maybe Fried Green Tomatoes. Would that have been 89?

[B]

Oh, I feel like that was early night for supporting.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Mystic Pizza always makes me think it's like 87, but I could be wrong.

[E]

Yeah. Earlier.

[C]

Let's go.

[E]

I do like Fried Green Tomatoes.

[C]

Yeah, let's go with that.

[D]

Okay, try it.

[F]

All right, so the second one was Steel Magnolias.

[D]

Oh, that's what I. That's what I meant. I'm sorry. I meant Sally Field and Stealing Magnolias. Sorry. Because I was picturing Sally Field yelling in her. Her funeral outfit. Sorry, my bad.

[F]

All right, next question is what color has the shortest wavelength on the rainbow?

[C]

The shortest.

[F]

Yep.

[C]

I think that's violet then, right? Yeah. Jeff is nodding. Yeah, Violet.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't you know it's like 760 nanometers.

[D]

Sure.

[F]

Yep. Yep, that's correct. That was Violet. Next question is. What?

[B]

Can I.

[C]

Can I ask you to pause for one second? All right, we got a flower. We got a flower theme going. So with. With the flower theme, can you answer the first question? Lily something. Daisy something.

[D]

Yeah, I'm on it. Hold on. This is the different world.

[C]

If you can't, we're done.

[E]

Lily. Daisy. Rose.

[D]

Jasmine. Jasmine. Gay.

[E]

Jasmine. Jasmine, yes. Jasmine. Yes. Yes, yes. That's it.

[C]

All right, he's nodding if we're right. So you don't deserve it, but we're getting points for it.

[F]

Yep. Jasmine guy. Yep, That's Love Vengeance.

[C]

All right, so now we can go on to question four there.

[F]

Yep. Question four. What actress replaced Shannen Doherty in the hit WB series Charmed playing half sister Paige Matthews?

[C]

So now we're looking At a Rose, I believe.

[D]

Yeah, probably Rose McGowan.

[E]

Yep, exactly.

[F]

Yep. That was Rose McGowan. And the last one. What? Detroit born comedian and actress portrayed Ms. Betrayed, Ms. Frizzle in the Magic School Bus series in addition to being nominated for an Academy Award for Best supporting actress in the 1975 film Nashville.

[C]

Snapdragon McGee.

[D]

Lily Tomlin.

[F]

Yep, that was Lily Tomlin.

[C]

All right. So undeservingly, but five for five in this last round here brings us to

[D]

what, Neil, we were at 140 before, I believe so we're at 190 post audit. Post audit, yeah.

[C]

190. Not bad. 190 out of 250. So we'll take that.

[D]

Yeah, really great question, Sekou.

[F]

Cool. Thank you. Thank you.

[D]

Yeah, that was awesome. Any shout outs or anything you'd like to give before we let you go today? It was a great game.

[F]

Thanks again for inviting me on the show. And also a special shout out to Nikki from Trivial Warfare. She helped edit my questions and also served as a fact checker. So grateful for her help.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[D]

Thank you, Nikki and thank you for being here. Sekou and Eden, thanks so much for being a team member. Che, you carried a lot of weight. Any shout outs or anything you'd like to say before we let you go?

[E]

Just want to say thank you to Sekou for a fun game. Some challenging questions in there. I think we played well as a team, so I was happy for the team game. Otherwise, I'd say just try to be as nice as you can to people. You never know what people are going through.

[D]

That's true.

[E]

So it's challenging world out there.

[C]

Yep. Great advice. And one last entity that we need to thank is our network, Airwave media. Go to airwavemedia.com and check out other great shows such as our friends in Good Job Brain, Fast Company, which Jeff said is his favorite kind of company, and the Dark Histories podcast. Check them out.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, thank you so much for being here, for being supporters and to everyone listening, thank you so much for sticking with us each and every week. We appreciate it and we love having great new guests on every episode. So thank you for Matt who wasn't able to make it today, Jeff, Ken, and myself. My name is Neil. And that was another episode of Triviality.

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