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Summary

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True Crime Garage

Episode 781: After Midnight
Release Date: August 20, 2024
Case Covered: The unsolved 2004 homicide of Katara Johnson, Taylor, Texas
Hosts: Nic & the Captain

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Overview:

This week, Nic and the Captain tackle a deeply troubling, still-unsolved murder from small-town Texas. 21-year-old Katara Johnson was found dead in her home outside Taylor, Texas, in August 2004. With very little national coverage, little evidence, and enduring pain for her family, the hosts re-examine the case, searching for new angles and appealing for public help as the 20th anniversary approaches. This episode combines somber storytelling, smart detective work, and their characteristic blend of banter and empathy.

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Case Introduction and Context

• [03:26] Nic sets the tone:

  "This week we bring to you a true crime story that is what many would call a small town murder. Unfortunately, not many people outside of that town of about 15,000 have had much awareness of the murder of Katara Johnson."

• [06:49] The case details: Taylor, Texas, a small city near Austin (pop. then ~14,000), where killings are rare. Katara, responsible and hardworking, was living alone and managing a Taco Bell.

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Timeline and Key Details

The Days Leading Up

• [07:48–08:30]
  • Saturday, August 21, 2004: Katara attended or hosted a gathering or party at a nearby park, function and attendees uncertain.
  • The party's purpose and organizer remain unclear, leading to suspicion.
  • Quote (Captain, [08:30]):

    “…People don’t know if she was the host, or if she's just there. And some people at the party don't even know why the party was happening. Was it somebody's birthday? Was it an engagement party? Was it a baby shower? Nobody knows.”

The Night of the Crime

• [08:52–11:59]
  • Wednesday, August 25, 2004:
    • Katara worked a closing shift at Taco Bell (midnight).
    • Last seen leaving work, healthy and in good spirits, headed home.
  • She lived alone in a trailer on family land, between her grandmother and uncle, but with some distance between homes.
  • Next day (Thursday):
    • Family notices her car is missing and she is unreachable by phone.
    • Fails to show up for her shift—a major red flag, as she was known to be responsible.
  • Discovery:
    • Around 8:40pm, her grandmother and a child enter her locked trailer and find Katara deceased in the hallway or bedroom.

Crime Scene and Physical Evidence

• [12:03–14:47]
  • Main missing items: her car, keys, and cell phone. No sign of forced entry.
  • Cause of death: Large caliber handgun (exact details withheld by law enforcement initially).
  • She was found lying in or near the hallway, a blue and white nightgown draped across her body—suggesting she was preparing for bed.
  • No major signs of a violent struggle or theft otherwise.
  • Captain ([14:47]):

    “No gun found at the scene of the crime. But I think a big thing for law enforcement is where did her car go?”

Katara’s Car and the Cell Phone Mystery

• [15:17–17:50]
  • Her maroon Mitsubishi Lancer was missing, later found at a public community pool 12 miles away in Thorndale, Texas.
  • No known personal connection between Katara and Thorndale or the pool.
  • Her cell phone was never recovered, but police claim to have the call records.

The Strange Phone Call

• [19:47–22:13]
  Perhaps the most chilling clue:
  • At some point after her disappearance, Katara’s mother called her cell phone—someone answered in an unfamiliar, high-pitched voice claiming, “This is Katara.”
  • Laughter could be heard in the background.
  • Nick ([22:13]):

    “Mom also says that she heard laughing in the background before the phone hung up. Does that mean that this person answered the phone in the presence of others and these other people in their presence are laughing, giggling at the person answering the phone?"

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Analytical Deep Dive: Key Discussion Points

1. Party/Gathering: The Uncertain Alibi

• Law enforcement and hosts agree the party could be crucial.
• Attendees gave inconsistent, vague, or evasive answers—raising suspicion.
• Captain ([40:09]):

  "If you’re law enforcement, you…go, so Katara has a party and then you start asking people about the party and you're getting these wishy washy answers. Makes it feel like people are covering up something."

2. Crime Scene: No Forced Entry

• No evidence of forced entry: suggests the perpetrator was let in or had access.
• Back door and window were unlocked, but main door was locked.
• The proximity of family (living on both sides) but no one hearing anything is notable, but possibly explained by the rural setting and time of night.

3. Vehicle Disposal and the Killer’s Escape

• The car was dumped 12 miles away at a public pool—intentionally or for convenience?
• The hosts weigh whether the killer acted alone and how they left after dumping the car.
• Captain ([31:21]):

  "…Originally I thought, hey, just find out who picked them up and case solved. But it doesn't have to be two killers…could just walk away from there."

4. The Laughter and Phone Connection: Juvenile or Calculated?

• The phone call placed by Katara's mother (high-pitched voice, laughter in background) gives an “immature, juvenile” vibe.
• Did more than one person know or participate?
• Nick ([35:06]):

  "That almost seems to me like this crime feels very juvenile. Very juvenile…just too dumb, too impulsive to know better."

5. The Taco Bell Work Angle

• Was Katara targeted due to her position and responsibilities at Taco Bell? Possible motives:
  • Did someone think she had cash from a deposit or keys to the store?
  • Did her routine make her vulnerable to people she knew from work?
• Nick ([47:02]):

  "…Did she have the key to that Taco Bell, or did somebody think she did?"

6. Family and Law Enforcement Dynamics

• Family was frustrated with law enforcement’s communication and secrecy.
• The hosts argue police kept details secret for investigative reasons, but multiple agencies were involved (Taylor PD, Texas Rangers, NAACP review).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On small-town closeness and investigative complications:

  "Law enforcement have to question the inner circle. It's somebody that knows her, 100%." (Captain, [49:18])

• On the significance of the party:

  "If you were at that gathering, that event, that party…investigators want information…that could give them the lead or the breadcrumb trail that they've so needed for 20 years now." (Nick, [57:21])

• On why the case remains unsolved:

  "They've worked it…I believe, the best that they can. They're up against a brick wall with some of this. If you're reaching out to people and you can't get information or they're dodging your questions…" (Nick, [57:21])

• On the sense of injustice:

  “Qatar Johnson was taken away far too early. She was only 21 years old, building her life… She didn’t deserve what happened to her.” (Nick, [57:21])

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• [03:26] – Case Introduction
• [07:48] – Timeline: Party/Gathering on August 21st
• [08:52] – Night of the murder: Last seen at Taco Bell
• [11:59] – Discovery of the body; missing car and phone
• [14:47] – Details of the murder weapon, state of the crime scene
• [16:39] – Car found at Thorndale community pool, 12 miles away
• [19:47] – The chilling phone call and speculation on the killer’s behavior
• [31:21] – Debating the logistics of the car drop-off and killer’s escape
• [40:09] – Scrutiny of the party/gathering and its possible critical role
• [45:01] – Family communication, party confusion, investigation progress
• [52:39] – Work angles and possibility of motive tied to Taco Bell
• [57:21] – Summing up, call to action, hope for case resolution

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Final Thoughts & Call to Action

• The hosts urge anyone with knowledge about the party/gathering on August 21, 2004, or the days leading up to Katara’s murder, to come forward.

• Nic ends with:

  “If you were at that gathering…or if you heard people talk about it, investigators want information… that could give them the breadcrumb trail they’ve so needed for 20 years.”

• Contact info for tips:

  • Taylor Police Department: 512-352-5551
  • Crime Stoppers: 1-800-253-7867
  • Or contact the True Crime Garage hosts directly if uneasy speaking with police.

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Summary

With their thorough review and heartfelt analysis, Nic and the Captain spotlight the unsolved killing of Katara Johnson, highlighting the importance of even small clues from listeners. They emphasize her character, the persistent work of detectives, and the devastating impact on her family, while inviting renewed public participation in hopes that the 20th anniversary finally brings answers and justice.

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Transcript

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[Captain]

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[Family Member]

in the house.

[Nick]

All right, everybody gather round. Grab a chair, grab a beer. Let's talk some true cr.

[Family Member]

Right now, at this particular time, everybody's hurting. We all hurting, and, you know, we're all concerned.

[Investigator/Reporter]

Rodney Johnson says he's trying to stay strong.

[Family Member]

And I spent the day with her on Wednesday and I never thought that that would be my last day that I would see my niece.

[Investigator/Reporter]

On Thursday night, 21 year old Katara Johnson was found dead inside her home. She lived there alone, her body discovered lying in the hallway. Her family says they found no blood or obvious signs of a violent struggle.

[Family Member]

Why? You know, Katara was a very beautiful person. She loved everybody. Everybody loved her.

[Nick]

I mean, I tell Tara everything. That was my girl for real. I mean, that was my only friend that I had, really.

[Investigator/Reporter]

Tisha Brinson worked with Katara at this nearby Taco Bell. That's where Katara was last seen driving home from her job as a manager on Wednesday night. But neighbors say her car disappeared outside her house only hours after she got home. Presumed stolen by her killer, it was eventually found by detectives late Thursday. But investigators are not saying where.

[Family Member]

Taylor's been good to us. I mean, for this to happen here in Taylor, it's unbelievable. It seems like a nightmare, a bad dream.

[Investigator/Reporter]

Investigators must now piece together who is responsible. Family and friends say they have no idea who would want to do her harm.

[Family Member]

You know, my mother is on one side of her and I'm on the other side of it. She's right in the middle. I mean, if you, you know, if there had been some noise or something like, you know, we would have heard.

[Nick]

She was the type of person that kept us going and kept us happy.

[Family Member]

Like I said, she was special. And she's going to be missed. She's definitely going to be missed.

[Nick]

This week we bring to you a

[Narrator/Host]

true crime story that is what many would call a small town murder. Unfortunately, not many people outside of that town of about 15,000 have had much awareness of the murder of Katar Johnson. Katara was a hardworking young woman. Many would say that she had her whole life ahead of her. I say that she had her whole life right in front of her. She was a decisive individual. She knew what she wanted and she was willing to work hard for it. She set goals, made a plan, did her darndest to make it happen. So what happened to Katara? Who killed her? And just how many people in and around that town know the truth? Today, multiple agencies are working together to get those answers. The Taylor police, along with the Texas Rangers and the Department of Public Safety are investigating this homicide. And now many of you will be hearing it for the first time. This is True Crime Garage and this is the still unsolved homicide case of Katara Johnson.

[Nick]

This week we are heading down to the great state of Texas. We wish we were here for happier reasons, but we promised to try to do some good while we're here if we can. This week we explore a still unsolved homicide case out of Taylor, Texas. Taylor is near Austin, about 45 minutes northeast of Austin. Taylor is in Williamson County. Today the population of Taylor is about 16,000. And at the time of our case, we are looking at close to 14,000 people. We are taking everyone back to August of 2004. I think we should start the timeline off for today's case on Saturday. This is Saturday, August 21st. We have 21 year old Katara Johnson. She is living out on her own. And on this Saturday, this is where we get the first part that's a little bit difficult to report in our coverage here on this unsolved case.

[Captain]

Well, that's because the details from everybody are a little wonky. Donkey.

[Nick]

On the Saturday, August 21, it's been reported a few different ways that there was either a party, an event, a gathering, and you can look and define those words any way that you please. But the general statement is that she was at an event or gathering that took place at a park down the street from her house. Some of the reports state that Qatar was the host of this get together. I am honing in on this part of our timeline because it seems to have some relevance or at least law enforcement believes that this could have some big time relevance to the case.

[Captain]

Well, it's strange because people don't know if she was the host or if she's just there. And some people at the party don't even know why the party was happening. Was it somebody's birthday? Was it an engagement party? Was it a baby shower? Nobody knows. So she attended. Or maybe she hosted this party on Saturday. But let's go to the following Wednesday, the day of the crime.

[Nick]

Yeah, we are going to go to Wednesday, August 25, 2004 at midnight that night. This is when the report is that she is last seen. She's alive, well and fine. At midnight on August 25, Qatar was working the late shift at the Taco Bell in Taylor, Texas. She was incredibly athletic at one time, was even offered a basketball scholarship, but the school was too far away for Qatar. She didn't want to be that far away from her parents, so she turned down the basketball scholarship. She goes on to have her own place. She's living in a trailer home, but it's not like last week's case where we're talking about a trailer park. This seems a lot more rural to me and we'll get into that here in a minute. But back to her working life. So she's doing her thing. She's a manager at this Taco Bell. She's closing down the shift for the evening. And she's last seen getting into her vehicle leaving the Taco Bell parking lot at approximately midnight that night. The following day on Thursday is when the alarm bell is rung multiple times. Family was having some issues because they say that they drove by her home and her vehicle wasn't outside. Now we want to point out here that her grandmother lives on one side of her and her uncle lives on the other side of her. But again, it's not, not a park like setting. These are more spaced out based off of what I've seen, the videos I have seen. Yeah.

[Captain]

So basically the family owned a plot of land and they had three different trailers on that plot of land.

[Nick]

She was living alone in the middle one. Her family becomes concerned because they are used to seeing her car parked out front. Her car is nowhere to be seen and people have tried calling her cell phone. She's not answering. It's around 7pm that night when they get increasingly concerned. This is because by this point she's not shown up for her shift at the Taco Bell. Again, she's a manager, she's quite responsible. It's unlike her to not show up for work at 8:40pm that night. Qatar's family is so concerned because that they have not heard from her. She's not answering her phone. She didn't show up for the evening shift at Taco Bell. Her 73 year old grandmother, this is Helen Rance, she lives next door. She and a six year old go over to Katara's home, knock on the door. The front door is locked, so the grandmother decides to open up a window and send the little one in to unlock the front door. And this is where things go from bad to worse. Grandmother Helen goes into the trailer home and finds Katara lying there lifeless and she calls the police. And now we have Taylor, Texas PD on the scene.

[Captain]

Well, not only do we have a murder victim, but we have her car missing.

[Nick]

This is where the evidence gets a little strange. Okay, so we have the car missing like the captain had said. And with that we got the car keys missing. And Katara's cell phone is missing as well. Now her family is on record later saying that other than that they didn't find anything else to be missing from the home. Again, reported a few different ways here. It's. It's stated in some reports that guitar was found in a hall way leading to the bedroom. Other reports, it seems like the most reliable reports here Captain are saying that she was found in the bedroom which would make sense based off of the description we get from grandmother with sending in the. The little kid. Thankfully he didn't see her if she was in the bedroom. Before unlocking the front door and allowing Helen to come in. The police immediately call in other agencies. They do their due diligence by calling in other agencies. Here this, keep in mind, we are at August, August 26th of 2004. This is their first reported homicide in Taylor of that year. The last time that they had had a homicide in Taylor, Texas was around Thanksgiving the year prior. So murder is not a commonality here in this city. They call in other agencies and one thing that they decide to do is we are going to keep the way that she was killed close to the vest. We're not going to give out those details until a later date eventually. What we learn is that she was shot and unfortunately was killed with a large caliber handgun. We don't have any better of a description than large caliber handgun and it's been reported that it may have been one shot there. There are some reports out there that say shot multiple times with a large caliber handgun. Again, with this being a detail that law enforcement doesn't want to go into great detail about, we do not know the exact specifics at this time in those reports. We also learn that when she was found that she was there was blood on her face, neck and hands and a blue and white nightgown laying across her body. So the speculation here by her family is that she would have been in the process of getting ready to go to bed, which makes sense. It's late at night, she's done working for the day, she's back at home. Her Mitsubishi Lancer is missing. This is a maroon vehicle at the home. Again, keys missing, cell phone missing, car missing. There's no weapon found. The murder weapon is not found inside the home.

[Captain]

Yeah, no gun Found at the scene of the crime. But I think a big thing for law enforcement is where did her car go? If we know that she worked that night? Well, let's just talk to people at her work. Did she drive home? And once they find out, oh, well, she left the shift and she was driving her car, then you go, well, now this car becomes our best lead. And what have we said a million times on this show, a lot easier to find a vehicle than it is a person.

[Nick]

And the thing here too, Captain, is this is going to be something that wipes away a big question mark for her family. Think about this in the moment on that Thursday, in the early goings of that Thursday when Katara is missing in action, vehicle can't be. It's not seen at her home as family would expect. She's not answering her cell phone. As a parent, as a grandparent, as her uncle, anybody involved in this situation, their worry is going to be that she's working late. She never made it home that night. Well, we unfortunately now know that she did in fact make it home that night. So it stands to reason that her car made it home that night as well. But now she is having been murdered in her own home and the vehicle is gone, keys gone, cell phone gone. So of course police are going to want to look for and find that vehicle and see what the missing vehicle has to do in relationship with our homicide victim here. They do locate. The vehicle is eventually found at a public pool. So this would be one of those community pools that you could pay to have a day pass, maybe you have a season pass to go into. Is found in the parking lot for this community pool in another town.

[Captain]

Yeah, it's about 12 miles away from her house.

[Nick]

And this town, I believe it was Thornville. I've been told that it's, it's located between Round Rock and, and Taylor, where she lived. And so Round Rock would be like the closest big city, right? About 100,000 people live there. This vehicle is found there. Now, here's the problem. Cell phone never located. I'm curious, what did they find in the car? What didn't they find in the car? And we know that they're going to keep a lot of that close to the vest. They're going to keep that under wraps because of what we saw with how she was killed. They kept that detail away from the public for a good period of time. They wanted to interview people, sit down and interview people and talk to people and figure out who knew what before they started releasing details.

[Captain]

Well, if you're law enforcement, you're going, how is this victim connected to this pool? If she is, or is there somebody in the victim's family or inner circle that's connected to this pool or connected to that town? I don't believe law enforcement found a connection to anybody that she knew to that town.

[Nick]

If they did, they're not saying so. And here's the thing, too, that you have to wonder with this type of setup and where the vehicle is found, could this just simply be a convenient spot to drop a car that you want to get rid of?

[Captain]

Well, here's what we don't know. Did she pick somebody up? The person commits a crime, then takes her vehicle to escape, or did somebody follow her back home? Did she meet somebody at home?

[Nick]

Was she expecting someone?

[Captain]

You have this car being placed 12 miles away. How did this person get home? Did they call somebody to get a ride? Was this close enough of a location that they could walk home?

[Nick]

Well, I love the tree that you're barking up here, Captain, because one of the statements here with this situation is that there was no signs of forced entry into her home. There are some reports that state that the back door to her home was found unlocked, which seems a little odd knowing that grandmother had to go to the lengths that she did to get in to get access to that home herself. But it may just be a situation where she didn't think to check the back door. However, what we do know from her sending the little boy in through the window, that window was unlocked as well.

[Family Member]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Now you have to question the crime scene, and you're looking at the crime scene and you're going, okay, did Katara let somebody into her home? Was she expecting someone? Did somebody just show up on a drop in and she chose to let them in? Or did somebody somehow gain access to her home and it was somebody that she wasn't expecting at all? That speculation has not been expanded upon by law enforcement. Now, another very strange detail. So that I find the vehicle to be a strange detail in this case.

[Captain]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

Parked at the community pool. But now, this is one of those details that you, you don't forget, Right? Unfortunately, there's. There's a thousand unsolved cases and we've covered as many of them as we can to date. But this is one of those details in a case that you just don't forget because it's a rarity. At some point, Katara's mother calls her cell phone and somebody answers the cell phone. And all we have to go on is A description provided to us by her mother, which says that when I called her phone, someone answered in an unfamiliar high pitched voice saying this is Katara. And obviously mom knows it's not her daughter.

[Captain]

Yeah. It makes me wonder, is this a female voice or is this somebody trying to disguise their voice to make it sound like a female voice?

[Nick]

And unfortunately, Katara's mother. This case is coming up on the 20th anniversary, okay? 20th anniversary of the sad day of when this young woman was killed. No one's been arrested and unfortunately her mother has passed away since. And what I would love to know is some more detailed information. We know the police have this, but exactly what the captain wants to know was this a male voice pretending to, you know, doing some absurd high pitched voice, weepy voice killer. We covered that case. Was it. Did the voice sound female and just putting on a. Put on voice for.

[Narrator/Host]

For.

[Nick]

To disguise their voice. Here's the thing though. Mom also says that she heard laughing in the background before. Before the phone hung up. Does that mean that this person answered the phone in the presence of others and these other people in their presence are laughing, giggling at the person answering the phone? Hello, Katara? The phone hangs up. Mom tries back. Now she's getting voicemail. Phone doesn't get answered again, going to voicemail. I do want to point out something here that is of interest to me and of the. The investigation at large. Police do say while we've never recovered that cell phone, we do have her cell phone records. We do have detailed information about that cell phone.

[Captain]

I'm assuming, since we have some information about that cell phone and we have records, do we also have voicemails or those lost with the phone?

[Nick]

The problem is we're going all the way back to 2004. Right. The phone information and what they could pull back then is certainly different than it is today. So I can't tell you how extensive the information is that they have, but they are on record saying that we do have that cell phone information. So think about this for a minute here we have a young woman who we're told doesn't have enemies. She didn't have beef with anybody that anybody knew of. She's murdered in her home, which is located between her uncle's place and her grandmother's place. In the middle of the night. We have to assume in the middle of the night. Right. Because the car's gone by Thursday and none of the families see it. So it would stand to reason that she's killed before the car disappears. Grandma and uncle both say we didn't hear anything. We didn't hear a scuffle, we didn't hear an argument, we didn't hear a scream. We didn't hear a gunshot. Which the uncle's on record saying that, you know, he thinks that if there was something crazy going on that they would have heard something. Again, looks to me the spacing of these trailers would have been great enough that potentially if whatever went down all occurred inside Qatar's home, that they may not have heard anything. Here's the other thing too. Unfortunately, while a gunshot might be loud, if it's just one or two, unfortunately, they're quick. Yeah, they're quick. And if they happen at an hour when everyone's sleeping, it might not even wake you up. If you're a neighbor, it might not. And if it were to wake you up, you may not know what woke you up. It's too fast, too quick. So we have Grandma and we have uncle on record saying they didn't hear anything that night. But what we learned months later is that she was in fact killed with a large caliber gun.

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[Captain]

All right, we are back. Cheers, mates. Cheers to you, Colonel.

[Nick]

Cheers to you, Captain. Cheers to people on the other side of the pond. We will be hopefully seeing some of your beautiful faces soon. We'll be at Crimecon uk.

[Captain]

We're gonna drink as if we have no livers.

[Nick]

We're gonna drink like the United States lost the war, that we are still under the King's command and paying tax. Taxes without representation.

[Captain]

Yeah. So this case, man, a lot of questions. And I thought initially looking at this case, it's simple, right? We just figure out who picked up this individual at the pool and case solved.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Captain]

But then I was like, wait a second. Dumb, dumb head. It's possible that they just dropped the car off there. And it doesn't have to be two killers. The person could have again lived close enough or doesn't have to get picked up at that pool. Could have walked down to the nearest gas station, got a ride there. So it's not as simple. Now, I think it's probably likely that somebody did pick them up and whoever picked them up knows or has some suspicion that there was something weird that went down and probably just hasn't come forward to law enforcement. Maybe they're scared themselves. But there is a possibility that this, this killer just disposed of the car in this location without having anybody else know about it.

[Nick]

Well, these community pools, I'm glad you brought that up because these community pools, this complicates your investigation because I guarantee you law enforcement was looking at that same angle early on. So you can call yourself dumb, dumb if you want, but I think I was, and everybody else would have been looking at that same angle. It's still very much a possibility. And I think actually that's the right road to go down, but to explore. The other option here is these community pools. They're in a community. You could park in the parking lot and be in the community on foot rather quickly and in your own neighborhood fairly quickly as well. So it's not inconceivable that the killer didn't drop the vehicle and just simply walk away. My big question for detectives would be, did. Did you find the keys? What did the vehicle look like when you're. When you're there tearing that thing apart and you are processing the vehicle because, you know they're dusting it for prints. If they didn't dust it for prints, they didn't do their job. All right, so when you process this vehicle, what did it look like to you? Nobody knows what a boosted car, stolen car, looks like better than police. Was this thing all busted up and torn up?

[Narrator/Host]

Was there.

[Nick]

Was there an abundance of evidence inside? Were there items inside of that vehicle that you could show to her family and say, does this belong to Katara? Obviously, it complicates saying that she doesn't live under lock and key of mom and dad's house. She's an independent woman. So they may not be able to give great answers. Maybe, yes, no and a maybe are all involved in. And did this hoodie, did this shirt, did this bracelet, flip flops? Whatever you find in this vehicle, did they belong to her? We know the cell phone was never found. So if killer is completely operating alone, they dropped the car and took the cell phone with them. How long it remained in their possession, that's anybody's. That's anybody's guess. But the car should provide you some evidence here. I'm curious to find out what was in that vehicle and if the keys were ever found.

[Captain]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

The other thing, too, let's go back to that phone call we talked about. Was the voice male? Was it female? What was mom's speculation about that phone call? Because here's one thing we know for sure. Whoever answered that call, whether they're the killer or not, they were in possession of one of the very few things that was taken from her home, from the murder victim's home, in short time, short proximity, from when our victim was killed.

[Family Member]

Well.

[Captain]

And if you're going to pretend to be the victim, then guess what? Use a piece of shit.

[Nick]

The other thing here, where I go to the idea that there are probably a few different people that may know or have insider information about either what happened to Katara or who was involved. Is that giggling in the background that mom heard when she called the cell phone? That almost seems to me like this crime feels very juvenile. Very juvenile. That somebody. You said dum dum earlier. I think we. I think we called whoever answered that cell phone, let's call them dum dum.

[Captain]

Because dum dum, scum, bum.

[Nick]

They clearly didn't understand that that puts them on the radar whether they're the killer or an accessory to murder. And then you have the people in the background giggling and laughing.

[Captain]

Yeah, that's another one. Is it simply that we have somebody at a party? Does the other people around this person that answered the call, do they even know what is being said on that call? Or is this a TV in the background or a radio in the background? I mean, that's. Some of this stuff seems so simple in this case. And you go, so this should be solved by now. But I think there's twists and turns to every piece of evidence. Again, did somebody pick up the killer at the pool? Somebody should know. Contact law enforcement. Somebody else could go, well, I was actually with this guy that answered the phone and said the victim's name, pretended to be the victim.

[Family Member]

Right.

[Captain]

That's strange. Let me call law enforcement. And this, like you said, this is not, you know, this is a. If anybody's ever seen Friday Night Lights, the movie or the TV show, this reminds me of. Of East Dillon and. But probably a little bit more of a rural area.

[Nick]

Well, that's very strange and ironic that you say that. If you look up Taylor, Texas.

[Captain]

Yeah.

[Nick]

One thing that they will tell us is as small as this town is, right? Currently 16,000 people. One thing. And I. And I think if you live far from this place at all, like us Ohio boys here, we would have no way of knowing this. But notable movies filmed in and around Taylor, Texas. There's some big ones here. The movie, Michael, Suburbia, Varsity Blues, I

[Captain]

don't want your Life, the life of

[Nick]

David Gale, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Friday night lights.

[Captain]

Here's Gad here's. And football. And in 10 years from now, Street. Good friends living large in Texas. Texas forever. Street. Yo, everybody, listen up. Let's do it. Let's touch God this time. Texas forever. Street.

[Nick]

So I had forgotten all about that until you had. Had dropped that title there.

[Captain]

But yeah, when you see photos of this town, because they talk about this party and so let's go back to this party. A little bit strange. It seems like so simple. Okay, so she's having a party, she's a host. Well, what was this party for? Nobody knows. The sister was there. Her sister goes to the party, doesn't even. The sister remembers talking to her sister, but doesn't remember why they had the party. That seems strange to me.

[Nick]

Is this the same sister that said that she thought police thought of her as a suspect?

[Captain]

Could be. Could be.

[Nick]

So one of her sisters, Kenyatta, is on record telling the newspapers and media that she thought that police thought that she should be a suspect. And look, she's very upfront. She says, look, I have a police record. I was arrested one time for assault.

[Captain]

Right?

[Nick]

And she says, none of us are perfect. This was a mistake. I would never ever harm my sister at all. And she says, I really, I would never kill anybody.

[Captain]

Right?

[Nick]

But I'm not, I wouldn't hurt my sister. The assault wasn't on my sister. And in the defense of law enforcement, they, everyone's a suspect until you're not. No shit. So I don't know that I didn't get the vibe from the sister that they were, you know, up in her face, grilling her and threatening her with spending the rest of her life in prison. I didn't get that vibe. I think because what she says to the media is that based off of the line of questioning, it would seem like they thought I was a suspect. Police did give a direct response to that statement saying, we've not named a suspect at this time.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

We have interviewed over 50 people. We have administered several polygraphs. We have also sent physical evidence off to be tested.

[Captain]

Yeah, but think about this. If you're law enforcement, you, you go, so Katara has a party and then you start asking people about the party and you're getting these wishy washy answers. It makes it feel like people are covering up something. How can you not know who the host of the party is? How can people not know why there was a party? Because you can have a party just to have a party. But people at the party would know. Oh, well, what's the occasion? Nothing. Just to have a get together.

[Nick]

Right, but they've been investigating this for 20 years. That's where another speed bump comes up for me in this investigation.

[Family Member]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Where I have to wonder, when did police, when did law enforcement think that this gathering.

[Captain]

Right.

[Nick]

Should could, I should say could rather than should, hold some significance to the murder?

[Captain]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Was it months afterwards? Was it, was it a week afterward? Or was it years because if it were years or even months, it. It's not out of the realm of reason that people that attended didn't fully know what it was for, especially if it was for no reason at all other than just to get together. But the sister not knowing does complicate things as well. Here's the thing, though, Captain. So this is one thing that I want to point out, the reason why, and this is a call to action to all the listeners out there. Because what I'm hoping is that with the unfortunate 20th anniversary coming up with this unsolved homicide, that we can get some renewed interest in this case. One, with the anniversary, two with our coverage, too. Law enforcement have said that they want to know more about this gathering. In fact, one thing that law enforcement did very well in this case, circling back to something we said at the beginning, they brought in other agencies, bigger agencies with more resources. And one of those agencies was the Texas Rangers. And it's a Texas Ranger that is on record saying that we want to know more about this gathering that took place the Saturday before she was killed because we have concerns that there could be. There could be information, details about that gathering that could give us or provide a lead here in this case. According to Detective Hunter, that event may be crucial in finding out what happened to Katara. And investigators are urging anyone who may have seen or heard anything during that party to call police. Now, that statement. That's why a question. When were they asking individuals about that gathering? Because that statement to the media, that with their calling and asking for the public's help, that was 15 years after she was killed. Maybe they stumbled onto something that made them think, wait a second. We got to go back and examine. Not just the. The day leading up to the night that she's murdered, or the movement of the vehicle or the movement of the cell phone and who may have had been in possession of the phone or the car. Both. Maybe we need to go back early in our timeline to that Saturday, to that gathering. Maybe they stumbled onto something and to expand on the car, too. So that car. It's reported that the car was found on Friday morning. It's found. Here we go. August 27, 2004. Friday a.m. qatar's Mitsubishi Lancer is found at the Thorndale Community swimming pool. This swimming pool is approximately 12 miles from Qatar's home. She's alive and well. Wednesday at midnight, after her shift at the Taco Bell, seen getting into her car. We know she makes it home safe. She's killed. After that, her car disappears. Why? Why does that car disappear? Was she murdered for the car? Unfortunately, it wouldn't be the first time Michael Jordan's father was killed by two teenage asshole boys that just wanted to steal his vehicle and go joyriding. Did somebody just go out and joyride in this thing for a day? And when was it dumped at the pool? Just because it was found Friday morning doesn't mean it was gone the entire time. It's not terribly far from her home. It's found relatively quickly. That makes me wonder that the car is not. Not the answer. It might be the answer to finding out who's involved, who's responsible. But I don't. I don't feel like that she was killed for the car.

[Captain]

No. But the other tough thing is, like we said, she lives on this property owned by the family. Two family members live on each side of her. But we have no family member coming forward and saying that they even saw the car at her trailer that night.

[Nick]

Right.

[Captain]

Again, they might not have been looking or might not even have the viewpoint or the vantage point to be able to see that unless they get in their car and drive aways.

[Nick]

And I'll make a couple of assumptions here, and I'm underlining that their assumptions, so don't, don't take this as fact, but I'm going to make the assumption that Grandma is not hanging out at 1am on a Thursday.

[Captain]

And Grandma likes to party.

[Nick]

Grandma likes to get down, especially on a Wednesday night. Then we have the uncle living on the other side. It's the middle of the week.

[Commercial Narrator]

Right.

[Nick]

Very likely he's got work in the morning. So I'm picking up what you're putting down. We don't have anybody saying that they saw the vehicle there that night. But I also don't think that. I don't think I would expect them to have seen it.

[Captain]

I'm going to assume that that car made it back to her trailer at some point.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Captain]

After work.

[Nick]

Absolutely. So.

[Captain]

But we. But our timeline becomes shorter and I'd like to talk. I wish they had more information that they're releasing about the shift that she worked beforehand. What were her responsibilities?

[Nick]

Was she closing the store that night?

[Captain]

Yes. And who was she closing it with and what were her responsibilities? Because was she supposed to take a deposit and does she take a deposit home with her or is that something that she did that she shouldn't have done?

[Nick]

Are you the leader of the Bloodhound Gang? Because I feel like you are. You're taking us down the perfect path here.

[Captain]

Well, I do sit down to be.

[Nick]

I was talking about the ones that solve mysteries, not. Not the musicians. That's where I'm at. If this were. If this were the case that you and I caught, and we are driving around in the old. The old patrol car talking about where. What. What lead do we want to look at first? After we interview everybody, her immediate family and friends and everyone. I'm looking at this thing going. And I'm. Of course, I'm trying to relate it to my own life experiences, but sometimes that there is value in that, right? I look back at the old colonels. Being 21 years old, living out on my own, and my life looks very similar to what her life looked like to me. I was 21, living in a tiny little apartment with an okay car, and I had a decent job, right? Katara living on her own in a small place doing, you know, doing her thing. She's building her life. She's really starting out and building her life here. She's got. She's got a car and she's got a job and she's got her place. And you know, what if her life was like mine after those three things? I didn't have any. Anything. I was broke. You. You come into my place. Remember, Captain, you come to my place, you open up the fridge. What was in there? Some beer and some condiments. That's about. That's maybe some. I kept slices at that young age. I kept red wine in the fridge, too. But the thing here is where. Where I'm going is where you're going. The three things missing from this young woman's home. Her cell phone, her car, which implies her keys were missing. And guess what could be on that key ring along with the key to her car. Did she have the key to that Taco Bell, or did somebody think she didn't have to have the key? Somebody could have just thought that she had it.

[Captain]

But if I don't think this seems like a sexually motivated crime, doesn't seem like any type of revenge.

[Nick]

Well, we're basing that off of the description that we're getting of the murder scene, right? There doesn't seem to be a huge scuffle. Now, the. No forced entry might imply that it was somebody that she could have been, you know, could have been somebody of the opposite sex showing up that she either wanted to or didn't want to show up.

[Captain]

Or a friend or family member. But that's why I don't think it's out of. Look, law enforcement has to question the inner circle.

[Nick]

It's somebody that knows her 100%.

[Captain]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I'm thinking here, Captain.

[Family Member]

Mm.

[Nick]

The cars taken out of happenstance. If you're. If you go there looking for the key to that store and you take the keys again, I go back to the impulsivity of the juvenile nature that I feel like we have here. In this case, the juvenile tendencies in nature was to answer that cell phone when it rang the first time. Too dumb, too impulsive to know better. Answer the phone, make a joke. This is guitar, whatever voice, male voice, female voice, we don't know. Giggling in the background. This feels very juvenile to me. Did she close the store that night? And did somebody have a window of opportunity to attempt to return to the store to open it up? Or as you said, was she in charge of a deposit? Did she take the deposit home for some reason and that is actually missing? And it's been proven in law enforcement are aware of it, but they don't want to release that detail. Her killer knew her. I feel like many people, when I say many, it could just be two or three other individuals I think know what happened here. I'm hoping with the. How young the killer could be and it could be as simple as somebody that knew her brought a bad element along with them. We're just going to. We're just going to go get the money from the restaurant. That's all we're going to do.

[Captain]

Yeah, again. But it still bothers me that we don't have much information, even from people that went to this party or this gathering. Seems like. I don't know. I think if I'm the lead detective and I start asking people about this event and I'm getting these dumb answers, I'm going to go. It should be pretty fucking simple.

[Nick]

Well, and you're right. And that's what they did. Right. Because they're asking the public for help on that front, saying, hey, we, we want to know more about this gathering because we think that there could be some. Some clues or it could hold significant information as to the murder of this young woman. Yeah, I, I'm. I'm a little clueless on the vehicle. The cell phone. I get it. You know, it's 2004. A much, a much higher percentage of the population didn't have cell phones then that do today. I don't think she was killed for the phone. I think it was taken as maybe an afterthought. I just really wonder if unfortunately, with her responsibilities and her duties as a manager of that restaurant was it just. Did somebody see what they thought was an opportunity to collect thousands of dollars from the place. And she was, forgive me for saying, collateral damage. Just. Just. They killed her to try to gain access to either the deposit for that day or access to that restaurant. And 2004, the thing that you would be hopeful of is. Well, can I. I think rather than her friends and family, I would be looking at people that worked under her.

[Captain]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

More so, I feel like there's a lot of ties to this restaurant here. That's the last thing that we are aware that she did in her Life. And in 2004, you're probably hoping, surveillance, maybe we. If the Taco Bell didn't have it, could we pick up surveillance from neighboring businesses or on the route from her place to the restaurant to see if we can see her vehicle heading in that direction?

[Captain]

Yeah. Or what happens when you're younger at work? That doesn't really happen so much when you're older at work. Your friends stop by. Is there somebody that stopped by during

[Nick]

her shift riding shotgun and saw something?

[Captain]

Yeah. Or just. Or is there somebody that went through the drive through just to say hello?

[Nick]

Where's the bad element? On the fringe of her acquaintances or friends or associates? Where's that bad element? Because that might be your person responsible or the center of this investigation. Now, one thing we should point out here to Captain, is that the family has voiced some concerns over the years that they didn't think that law enforcement was so forthcoming to them, keeping them up to speed and up to date on the investigation itself. I wish that they didn't feel that way. I wish that they had a different feeling and that their experience was different. I will say this, though. What we can say is based off of the limited information that they've released to the public, it makes sense that they've not released a lot of that information to the family as well. And I. And I. I want to be able to share in your. Your hurt and your anger in that regard. I will say this, though. We know the NAACP was brought in for. For a brief period of time here to take a look at the case, and I'm glad that they were. But I will say this. Multiple agencies were brought in. Texas Rangers were brought in. Taylor. Texas PD is still involved in this case. And this is one that. This is one that pisses them off. This is a case that when it first happens, you think, all right, we're going to be able to get some justice for this young woman because we have some leads with the vehicle with the cell phone and when it starts to fizzle out and you start to not get answers or you start getting pushback from, from persons and I, I, what I'm trying to say I think here, Captain, and not so eloquently, is that I understand the frustrations of the family and I'm glad that the NAACP was brought in. I applaud you for that. I would do the same thing. But the flip side of that coin, from what I've observed, it looks like they were, they were working this one real good and continue to work it over the years. You know, periodically we've had statements from police and the Texas Rangers and other agencies at the one year mark, at the, at the two year mark, at the five year 10 year 15, and I'm sure we're going to see it again at the 20 year mark. I spoke with two individuals at the Taylor Police Department and they agree. I said, here's my guess, this one pissed you guys off. They said, yes, this one pisses us off. We want help with this one. We want help with this one. They still think that they can get it done and I think the other agencies think that they can get it done too. The other thing too is when you're not getting answers or you don't feel like you're being brought up to speed, you keep in mind there's multiple agencies working the case. Agency one might not have all the information that Agency two has and so on and so forth in a manner that they can deliver them to you. I'm hopeful about this case. As sad as it is that we're reaching the 20th anniversary, as sad as it is that Qatar is no longer with us. She seemed like a bright, hardworking young woman who cared about her family. She loved her family so much she turns down a basketball scholarship. She don't want to be away from, from her family. She in distance. She, she was working hard, she was building her life and someone came and snuffed it out for reasons undetermined by us here in the garage today. But I tell you, I can't get over the simple fact. Garage task force gut check here tells me that this has to do with, with that restaurant. I just feel I can't get over that. Like I can't move past that.

[Captain]

Small town, not a dangerous town, pretty safe. And I think that's one of the problems when this is not a crime that you investigate often. But I do think they are steadfast and I do believe that they want this crime solved and they want justice to be served.

[Nick]

Absolutely. 100%. They've worked it, I believe, the best that they can. Right. Because they're up against a brick wall with some of this. If you, if you're reaching out to people and you can't get information or they're dodging your questions. And we probably have a situation too, where a few of the people that they would like to talk to, they may not have awareness of hiding behind a veil of a friendship or allegiance with, with other persons here. So we have a case where we know that they've interviewed over 50 people and that's, that is within the first few years of the case, polygraph test administered, evidence sent off to crime labs. I'm curious what new evidence could be collected off of those same items today or that we could yield different information today than it did 20 years ago. We may have technology on our side here, but we do need police, need your help with this. And this is a situation where it doesn't have to mean that you know who did this or why or other players involved or that you know why the car was moved or the details of that or information about the cell phone, maybe you know about the cell phone call police. But here's an opportunity. If you were at that gathering, that event, that party, whatever you want to call it, or if you heard people talk about it, investigators want information about that event, about that gathering that took place on Saturday, August 21st. They want information about that as well that could give them the lead or the breadcrumb trail that they've so needed for 20 years now. Qatar Johnson was taken away far too early. She was only 21 years old. Building her life. She loved her family deeply. Her sister said to the perpetrator or perpetrators she didn't deserve what happened to her. If you don't turn yourself in, God is going to deal with you. Anyone with any information at all regarding this case and the gathering that took place days before her murder is encouraged to contact the Taylor Police Department at 512-352-5551. Or if you want to remain anonymous, you can call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-253-7867. Or for some reason you are uncomfortable speaking with law enforcement at all, you can contact one of us here at the garage.

[Commercial Narrator]

Foreign.

[Captain]

Thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week. Colonel, do you have any recommended reading

[Nick]

for the beautiful listeners this week? Captain? It's a little self serving. I'm doing it again, but it's because of the garage sale going on. Gonna recommend my book. The Delphi Murders the Quest to Find the Man on the Bridge. We have autographed copies for a limited time available back on our Website, true crime garage.com youm can tell from this episode we're doing everything we can just to get you to go to our website. But no, we have limited copies. Autograph copies of the Delphi Murders. The case is heating up again. Should be going to trial here soon. So if you need to get up to speed, if you want to get all the information, as I saw and as I explained it as one man's obsession with an American murder investigation, check out the Delphi Murders book the Quest to Find the man on the Bridge by yours truly. Of course, you can get that on Amazon. You can get it on Audible or Kindle. But if you want an autograph signed copy, go to our website, truecrimegarage.com and

[Captain]

not only is it signed by the Colonel, but it's also signed by Bo Jackson. And until next week, be good, be kind, and don't litter.

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