Shannon Paulk //////

Summary

True Crime Garage: Shannon Paulk Case Overview

Episode Title: Shannon Paulk
Release Date: July 30, 2025
Hosts: Nic and the Captain

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of True Crime Garage, hosts Nic and the Captain delve into the haunting unsolved homicide case of Shannon Paulk from Prattville, Alabama. With meticulous attention to detail, they unravel the timeline, scrutinize key suspects, and explore lingering questions that have kept this case unresolved for over two decades.

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Background

Shannon Paulk, an 11-year-old girl, vanished from the Candlestick Mobile Home Park in Prattville, Alabama, on August 16, 2001. This tight-knit community, home to nearly 30,000 residents, was forever altered by her disappearance and the subsequent discovery of her body weeks later.

Nic:
"This is what True Crime Garage is about—unfolding the layers of a case that has baffled a community and haunted a family for years."
(Timestamp: 22:04)

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Timeline of Events

1. Early Morning (4:00 AM): Shannon's mother, Marie Polk, leaves for work, ensuring Shannon and her sister Lisa are home by dinner.
   "Marie kisses Shannon on the forehead before leaving, unaware of the tragedy that will unfold."
   (Timestamp: 00:27)

2. Morning Activities (9:00 AM - 12:00 PM): Shannon engages in neighborhood activities, including visiting friends and retrieving a baby stroller intended for her cousin.
   "Shannon was a helpful and outgoing child, often seen assisting neighbors and caring for pets."
   (Timestamp: 12:04)

3. Noon (12:00 PM): Shannon is last seen interacting with a Prattville police officer neighbor, who denies letting her into his home.
   "At around 11:45 AM, Shannon's interaction with the police officer becomes a focal point in the investigation."
   (Timestamp: 09:55)

4. Afternoon Developments (1:15 PM): The police officer leaves for work, noting that Shannon hasn't been seen since noon and spotting her abandoned stroller.
   "The stroller left on the curb at 1:15 PM marks a critical window when Shannon likely went missing."
   (Timestamp: 23:10)

5. Evening Search (7:30 PM): Shannon hasn't returned home by dinner time, prompting a community-wide search coordinated by neighbors and local law enforcement.
   "By 7:30 PM, the realization that Shannon is missing sets off a frantic search across the neighborhood."
   (Timestamp: 31:01)

6. Weeks Later (October 6, 2001): Shannon's body is discovered in a remote hunting area, bound and concealed in a trash bag, bringing closure to her immediate disappearance but raising more questions about her abduction and murder.
   "The grim discovery weeks later confirms the worst fears of a devastated community."
   (Timestamp: 37:50)

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Key Individuals and Suspects

1. Prattville Police Officer (Jack Earl Gibson - Root Beer Man):
   A central figure due to his proximity and suspicious behavior on the night Shannon went missing.
   "Jack Gibson, known as the Root Beer Man, lives across from the Halloween Man and was arrested the same night Shannon disappeared for possession of child pornography."
   (Timestamp: 45:43)

2. Halloween Man (Unnamed Neighbor):
   Another neighborhood figure with peculiar habits, such as handing out candy to children.
   "He was last seen interacting with Shannon near the pond, but his absence when approached raises red flags."
   (Timestamp: 34:23)

3. Ty Foster:
   Found with a small amount of blood believed to be Shannon's and later pleaded guilty to assault and sodomy charges against a minor, further complicating the narrative.
   "Ty Foster’s guilty plea to disturbing crimes against a child adds another layer of suspicion."
   (Timestamp: 53:22)

4. Other Witnesses:
   Teenagers initially provided a sketch of a stranger at a bus stop, later recanting their statements, adding confusion to the investigation.
   "The recanting of detailed eyewitness accounts by teenagers introduces doubt and mystery into the case."
   (Timestamp: 58:03)

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Investigation Details

The investigation faced numerous challenges:

• Limited Witness Cooperation: Despite Shannon's friendly nature, few credible leads emerged post-disappearance.

• Remote Discovery Location: The body was found far from the mobile home park, suggesting transportation by the perpetrator.

• Suspect Elimination Concerns: Key suspects like Jack Gibson and Ty Foster were either arrested for unrelated crimes or cleared without satisfactory explanations, leaving critical gaps in the investigation.

Nic:
"The Root Beer Man checks all the boxes, yet there's a troubling silence on how he was cleared. It raises more questions than answers."
(Timestamp: 50:44)

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Ongoing Efforts and Community Impact

Despite the passage of time, law enforcement remains dedicated to solving Shannon's case. Recent statements by Prattville officials indicate collaboration with other states and federal agencies to uncover new leads.

Captain:
"We still receive tips and information from people who want to help bring justice for Shannon."
(Timestamp: 68:32)

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Conclusion and Call to Action

The Shannon Paulk case remains a poignant reminder of the complexities and frustrations inherent in unsolved crimes. Nic and the Captain emphasize the importance of community involvement and encourage anyone with information to reach out to Prattville CSI Sergeant Tom Allen at 334-595-5025.

Nic:
"If you have any information, no matter how small, please help us uncover the truth for Shannon's family."
(Timestamp: 68:32)

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Final Thoughts

True Crime Garage poignantly captures the tragedy of Shannon Paulk's disappearance and death, highlighting the persistent gaps in the investigation and the enduring hope for resolution. Through thorough analysis and passionate discussion, Nic and the Captain honor Shannon's memory by keeping her story alive and advocating for justice.

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[Nick]

All right, everybody, gather round, grab a chair, grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. In true crime stories, we often hear statements like that is when our town lost its innocence. Or that sort of thing just doesn't happen here. Many times those are the words of sad and confused concerned citizens of a community rocked and shocked to the core with a recent unimaginable crime. Big city problems come to a little town, as they say. Today we examine a terrible crime, one that for some very strange and indescribable reason has caused me to question so many aspects of the crime. The concealment of evidence and the nature and secrets of this little girl's neighbors and the persons that lived in the town that was suddenly struck with a big city problem. That sort of thing doesn't happen here. Well, this sort of thing shouldn't happen anywhere. This is True Crime Garage. And this is the still unsolved homicide case of Shannon Paul. This week we head on down to the Prattville, Alabama area. More specifically, Captain, we're going to the nice quaint neighborhood of Candlestick Park. Sports fans will recognize that name as the one time home ballpark for the San Francisco Giants and the home field for the 49ers. But no longer, as the last event held at that wonderful stadium was a 2014 Paul McCartney concert. For the sake of our case, in the case that we're talking about here this week, we're going to go back to 2001. The Prattville population at this time is just under 30,000 folks. And the Candlestick mobile home community is located in the southeastern part of Prattville, Alabama. The focus of our case is going to be 11 year old Shannon Polk and the date is August 16, 2001. This is a Thursday. Now Shannon's mother is heading off to work first thing in the morning. When I say first thing in the morning, some sources say that she's up at 4am to get things going so she can get out the door. Now keep in mind this is summertime, so this means no school for the kids on this day. But mom is going to work. Shannon and her 16 year old sister Lisa will be staying home that day. Sounds like the protocol is that the girls have some chores and just make sure everybody's home after mom returns from work and home in time for dinner. So the girls were allowed to leave the home and go out and visit with friends and play in the neighborhood and such. Just be home before dinner. And you can go out as long as your chores are done. Shannon's mom, Marie Polk, as said, had to be at work early that morning. She says that when she left the home, just before she saw Shannon was asleep on the couch. So she kissed her on the forehead before leaving for the day. Now we do get a pretty detailed timeline of events. I'm not going to say it's perfect. Obviously we have some gaps here and we have some details that are missing that could certainly help solve this mystery. But we do get some good information because this is this neighborhood, this Candlestick park is described by several of the residents as a live community. And what they mean by that is there's always people outside and there's always people interacting with one another in this neighborhood, be it people out mowing the grass, people out riding bikes, kids playing, people sitting on their front porches. So it's referred to as a live and active community and neighborhood. As said, her mother has to be up early that morning. She's leaving the house rather early that morning and she has a stop on her way to work. She's dropping off a baby nephew back to his parents home on the way to work. So she kisses Shannon on the forehead and she walks out of the house. She leaves. And this is supposed to just be another ordinary Thursday. One thing that is going on here, they live on Expo. The name of their street is Expo. By the way, all the streets in this neighborhood are named after baseball teams. Shannon's father is living about two hours away. Dad and mom are in the process of a divorce. One of the items here, captain, is stated that Shannon was supposed to be grounded that day, which is a little tricky because in my household growing up, grounded for the day meant you weren't to leave the house. But nobody seems to be questioning her leaving the house now at 9:00am Lisa, this is Shannon's older sister, said that she woke up and the TV was on in the living room and said that the TV was loud and she noticed that Shannon had made herself some breakfast and that she had already left the home for the day. One account and report that is not that there's no discrepancies in when you go to different sources is Shannon's personality. She's a very active child. So her already being up for the day and out of the house was nothing out of the ordinary.

[Co-host]

Not out of the ordinary for Shannon, but not out of the ordinary for the other kids in the trailer park.

[Nick]

Around 10am Shannon is over at a neighbor's house on Metz Street. She stayed with this neighbor for about 30 minutes or so. Shannon had asked this woman if she could take her up to the gas station so she could buy some candy. She said that she could later, but at the time, her child was still sleeping in the other room. And so she told Shannon to come back later and she would take her to get some candy. From there, Shannon went over to another friend's home. So now on our timeline, I have a marker of about 11:45am this is to see if some friends could come out and play. However, the friend is said to be too busy, couldn't come out and play with Shannon. These neighbors reported seeing Shannon with a baby walker or baby stroller. It's so from my understanding here, Captain, there is a stroller that even though she was grounded part of that day, it was understood that she was going to go out and retrieve this stroller from somewhere in the mobile home park. I would like to know more about where the stroller came from. Was this just something that was spotted that somebody was discarding, or was this an arrangement to pick it up? I don't have great details on this, but the stroller has become a rather large part of the story because some of our witnesses that see her that day see her toting around the stroller. Now, she was. Shannon was a very, like, helpful kid, as we'll see in some of this timeline, but she loved babies, and the purpose of her getting the stroller was to bring it back to her own home because she was going to give it to her relative for the new baby. That mom just returned home that morning.

[Co-host]

When I hear that she's told to retrieve this stroller, to me, it's maybe an item that she was playing with that she left somewhere.

[Nick]

Could be. Again, I wish that we had a great understanding of the significance of this stroller because there are some sources that put a lot of thought and speculation into the movement of the stroller. And then there's other times where I just go, maybe it has nothing to do with the story at all other than it's something. It was part of her day that day.

[Co-host]

Yeah. It makes you wonder, did people see her playing with this stroller before the day she went missing?

[Nick]

There's a neighbor called Ms. Mary. So a lot of these neighbors seem to have nicknames that. That. As we go through some of these nicknames, you'll see it. It's obvious that the nicknames are created by the kids in the neighborhood. So this Miss Mary, which is known to wear all black, she saw Shannon out of her window over at this friend's house that we talked about. She said that she saw her knock on the door and talk to them. She said that she then saw Shannon leave with the baby stroller and walk around to the other side of the pond over to the, quote, Halloween Man's House. Ms. Mary says that she saw Shannon knock on his door, but he must.

[Co-host]

Have not been home scary or anything. The Halloween man.

[Nick]

Yeah. So he must not have been home because Ms. Mary says that this Halloween man does not answer the door. Now, Miss Mary is. She's very important to our timeline because from my understanding, Ms. Mary is somebody that Shannon, even though Ms. Mary's an older woman, this is someone that Shannon would actually go and hang out with. You know, we talked about her sitting on somebody's porch and. And talking earlier. She would go and say hello to Ms. Mary and things like that. So this appears to be a trusted individual within the neighborhood. And what we're going to see with some of the players in this neighborhood, maybe some of them should not be trusted. So when we have Ms. Mary saying that she sees her knock on the Halloween man's door and nobody answers, her statement is that the Halloween man was not home. I don't know how she knows that the man wasn't home. Other or she just assuming that because he does not answer the door because.

[Co-host]

It'S not out of the realm of possibility that he was home and saw. It's a little girl knocking on my door, and I don't want to be.

[Nick]

Bothered today or busy or still in bed. You know, we don't know what his schedule would have been for that day. And we do know his name. We'll get into some of the players here as we go. But continuing on the timeline, according to witnesses, Shannon then walked back toward the back of the park to one of the homes closer to her own. This is reported as being a little bit before noon that day. Shannon knocked on the door of a home only a couple houses over from hers. So she's now back on Expo or Expos. The neighbor was a Prattville police officer. He lived there with his wife and his boys, his kids. Shannon had recently rescued a puppy, and his family had been taking care of that dog because Shannon was not allowed to keep it. Right. This neighbor, however, was getting ready for work. The statement here is it was just him and the boys. So his wife wasn't home. And people have really red flagged this thing saying that the man, the police officer, told Shannon she couldn't come in to visit with the dog or the boys because his wife wasn't home. It's been stated that this is some kind of house rule. Okay, I want to investigate this a little bit before we move on here. Some people have suggested that maybe the wife created this house rule because there's something weird about this dude. Like, you can't have kids in here that aren't ours because he can't be trusted around them. That's a rumor that's circled around this portion of the timeline.

[Co-host]

Well, if he's a Mr. McFeely type, then we need to create rules and boundaries for this pedo.

[Nick]

Well, the. The rumor is that the rule is. Was created because he might be weird. The. The adult male. The father, again, I want to point out this is a rumor. It may be true that he says, you can't come in because my wife isn't home. There could be. What I'm saying is there could be a house rule that has nothing to do with him being a weirdo. That. Right. You know, there are some homes that either mom or dad or what have you just doesn't want to deal with extra kids. And if the wife or husband's not there, they don't allow extra kids into the home. Or was he busy getting ready for work and didn't have time? You know, there's a million reasons why she would be denied access into this home.

[Co-host]

Like you said, maybe he just doesn't want to deal with her, and maybe she's a little bit of a bugaboo.

[Nick]

Without him being some kind of weird, strange guy. But I point that out because that is the rumor. So let's leave that door a little bit open on the possibility that that.

[Co-host]

Could be the truth, but also possibly not a complete scumbag because they find this dog and they take the dog into. Take care of the dog.

[Nick]

Well, and he is a later. They're going to narrow down the time of concern for noon.

[Co-host]

A lot of scumbag 1:15.

[Nick]

You know, there are. There's often psychological tests and all kinds of other tests that individuals take to become a police officer or work for a city or a town. So I'm. I'm choosing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The listeners out there can decide if. If your boy is right or wrong here. I think that there's enough.

[Co-host]

Don't pet a Franklin on it.

[Nick]

I think there's enough mystery here in this case that we don't want to spin our tires too long on just this one individual now.

[Co-host]

Well, the fact of the matter is this is a small community, like you said, under 30,000 individuals, but in this park even less. And anybody that saw her that day or anybody that was in that park during this time that she went missing has to be looked at. That's just the way. That's just the way the world works.

[Nick]

Absolutely. So thank you for the nudge there, Captain. So here a little background on this trailer park, the Candlestick Mobile Home park as it's called. It's an all ages manufactured home community located on South Memorial Drive in Prattville, Alabama. It's a land lease community. It was built in 1986. It has 220 home sites. Okay. That doesn't mean that they are all filled, but they have enough room for 220 homes. And the lots vary in size. And we know that because the, the lot rent ranges, there's quite a big range of prices that a person could pay per month to live there. So the lot sizes must vary. But keep in mind, if this thing's filled, 220 homes, that's a lot of people in this community. So this is a big neighborhood and I think there's a lot of, a lot of information here to suggest that whenever she went missing, whatever caused her to go missing very likely could have happened right inside of this community, inside this neighborhood. Here is a point for me that I don't love, right. I do not love to see this in our timeline and we can get into the whys of that here in a bit. But originally police were working on the idea. So what we're going to end up with is that police are notified when Shannon never comes home for dinner and they're called in now early in the investigation. They are working through this timeline that we've just spoke of and they're saying that look, this, the last sighting, confirmed sighting we have of her is Shannon leaving this house around noon. Remember, she knocks on the door of the Prattville police officer and family is denied access. She's seen leaving there around noon. And from my understanding this might be multiple accounts. We have multiple witnesses saying that spotted around noon. So early in the investigation, police are going to hone in on the timeline of noon to about 7:30pm okay, so that's when everybody's out in the neighborhood looking for.

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Cheers to you, Captain. Cheers to people in the back. Power to the people. Around 1:15pm The Prattville Police officer leaves his home for work. See, this is why I, I really kind of got the feeling that this was more of just a situational thing like, hey, I'm trying to get ready for work. There's no other parents here.

[Co-host]

And we don't know exactly what was said though.

[Nick]

Right? I mean, because, well, I believe that he gave the statement of I told her she couldn't come in because my wife was at home. And I think that people have kind of just run with that statement of like, well, that seems weird.

[Co-host]

Which is weird in itself. I mean it, it literally could be my wife knows you. I don't know you that well. You can't come in. Sorry.

[Nick]

Or maybe it was meant to be if my wife was here. I'm getting ready to leave for work. Right, right. In an hour and 15 minutes. If my wife were here, you could come in because she would be here for the remainder of the day.

[Co-host]

Yeah. We don't know what he needs to do. We don't know if he needs to shower and shave or just be straight.

[Nick]

Up weird for an hour and 15 minutes.

[Co-host]

He has to do the chicken dance very slowly.

[Nick]

Yeah. So around 115 we get more of this statement here. That Prattville police officer is leaving his home for work. He says that he sees that baby stroller that Shannon had been toting around. He says he spots it left on the curb outside of the Halloween man's house. He says he does not see Shannon anywhere So this window of time is what the police will eventually come up with is most believed to be when she was abducted or something happened to her. Right.

[Co-host]

It's not out of the realm of possibility that she went back to Halloween man's house.

[Nick]

She could be safe and sound in somebody else's house at this time we know she was. What was she doing that morning? That we know 100% toting around a stroller and knocking on people's doors. So she could have knocked on anybody's door, went in and actually been safe and sound and just left the stroller outside somewhere to retrieve it later or and this is a sad possibility, she could have already been picked up. Somebody could have picked her up in a car or she's in someone's home and things are not, not great.

[Co-host]

Anybody that has grown up in a community when where there's other kids, you've experienced this, you wake up, you're looking for somebody to hang out with. You start going door to door. You have your favorites you go to first. Or maybe the kids that you know are their go to kids, they're going to be home and it seems like every person that she's going to hang out with is just not available. And if somebody was available that day, then this might have never happened.

[Nick]

Yeah, A little background here on Shannon. So she's 11 at the time. As we said, she's 5 foot tall, 83 pounds. This is according to her missing poster, Caucasian with green eyes and sandy brown hair. I don't know how tall a kid's supposed to be if at 11 years old. That seems tall for to. To my mind but she is reported to have been very friendly, very outgoing. She saw everyone in that neighborhood as her friend. She's remembered for visiting the trailers of other persons of her neighbors to ask if they needed help with anything in particular. She was known for visiting an elderly resident known as Ms. Mary to help her bathe and brush the teeth of her small dog. Listen to how much care this little one had. Right. She, she's retrieving a stroller for her cousin, the her baby cousin. Right. She's rescued a puppy and gave it to a neighbor to take care of and is going over to check on the dog. She's helping an elderly resident bathe and brush the teeth of her small dog regularly. So she's extremely kind hearted, extremely outgoing, which might be, might end up being a big problem here. She was a person that was described as she knows no stranger, she never met a stranger. And her mother, Marie Stroud. Stated she had a heart of gold and just love people, all people and everybody loved her. Her.

[Co-host]

So do we have any more information on this Halloween man?

[Nick]

A little bit. Let's, let's, we have a couple more items here on the timeline. We have a pregnant neighbor who came home sometime later. I don't have a marker, a time marker for this, but it stated that she came home later that day to see the stroller on the curb. She thought that it had been thrown away. I guess she retrieved it thinking that it was just, you know, somebody had tossed it, was discarding it and so she could use it. So she retrieved it. Now, she did clean the stroller and I don't know what kind of evidence anybody would think that they could have retrieved from the stroller. But we, we should note here that if there were to have been any evidence, physical evidence on that stroller, it was cleaned that very day, the same day that Shannon goes missing.

[Co-host]

And we don't have a time marker for this individual, but we do know that her mother left early in the morning because she had to work. So she's going to get home earlier. So she comes back around 2:30 or so and, and she doesn't see any signs of her daughter.

[Nick]

Yeah, Shannon's not at home when mom returns. And I guess the breakup was fairly recent, maybe six months prior or just a few months prior. Right between mom and dad. And so look, Shannon's not the only big heart, caring person in this family. Mom says she, she knows her daughter was upset and sad about the situation. She came home, her daughter's not there. She's like, okay, cool, she's just out playing with some friends. I'm going to swing over to Walmart and pick up a couple of items to surprise my kid and try to cheer her up. And so she goes over to the store, purchases some items, comes back, Shannon's still not there. Now it's time to start making dinner. Shannon never comes back. And it's as we said earlier, it's understood that by 7:30pm Whatever happened, happened. She was, she was gone by 7:30pm to me, I would like that to be a big marker on our timeline. So what we do know happens is mom and sister Lisa, they're out in the neighborhood knocking on doors. Shannon knew no stranger. So a lot of these neighbors start joining in, helping to look for the little girl. They're going through the neighborhood, they're checking people's yards, they're knocking on doors. They're doing everything they can. This all goes down approximately 60 minutes, let's say one hour's time. Now we know at about 8:30, this is when Shannon's mom calls Shannon's father. In fact, he was supposed to come and get the kid the next day and keep her for the weekend. And of course he's like, yeah, I've not heard from her but. But he lives two hours away at this point. He says, I've not heard anything from her. He's extremely concerned. So he's like, I'm jumping in my car. I'll be there as quickly as I possibly can.

[Co-host]

But if I'm clear on something, the last person that actually saw her was the police officer.

[Nick]

That's what it sounds like to me.

[Co-host]

Yes. And so you're making a big marker at this 7:30, 8 o'.

[Nick]

Clock.

[Co-host]

But I think when you look at when he saw her last, the mom getting home, other people in the neighborhood getting home, the abduction to me seems.

[Nick]

Like it happened before 2pm I can agree with that. But the reason why I want to make this 7:30 marker very important is because I think that, I think that people have created a narrative here that she must have gone because of the stroller. Right. Again, I think that a lot of times I think that there's way too much weight put into the movement of this stupid stroller. And because it's found, it's seen just sitting there unattended by Shannon at 115 that, that there's, they've created this narrative that has, has stood now for 20 years that, oh, something must have happened to her between noon and 1:15. I think, I think it's, it's very, it could be very likely. I'm not saying that that's impossible. I'm not saying that that is not likely at all. I'm saying it could be very likely. I think it's irresponsible to start creating a window for which you have no verification. The problem, I guess is that we have no witnesses saying that they've seen her after that time. And, and she had a lot of friends and knew a lot of the neighbors. So it would, it would make sense that, that we would have good people saying, yeah, I talked to her, oh yeah, I saw her walking there. But what I'm saying is I don't know that she 100% had to be in the possession of her abductor by 1:15. And you'll see why. I think that that's irresponsible.

[Co-host]

Well, and I also think too, it's like she could have Retrieved the stroller, walked around with it for a little bit and went, yeah, not today. I'm going to leave it here. I'm going to go to a couple more places and I'll come back and get the stroller. But I'm not going to just push this around with me all day.

[Nick]

And now what we have here is the police are called. The time, the marker I have on my timeline, Captain, is around 9pm the police are called. They do come out. They are talking to neighbors, talking with the family. I've not seen Shannon's family say a bad word about the police. I have seen. Not a bad word, but neighbors saying that they didn't think that the police were taking it very seriously until the next day. Now this is, this is why I really have a problem with that. Noon to 1:15. So neighbors went around, they're searching for Shannon that night around 10pm they said that everyone was very helpful and very concerned. Now they've, they're talking to police, right? Everyone's very helpful. Everyone's been very concerned. But they, the neighbors, the people out searching for her, they've got a problem with, with 2 of the people that they speak with that night. It's two men, two individuals, when they knocked on the Root Beer Man's home. So he lives right across the street from the Halloween Man.

[Co-host]

This makes the story creepier though, right? Do you agree with that? I mean, you got one guy called the Halloween man, this other guy called the Root Beer Man. It sounds like a story that children are telling you, but these are probably nicknames that are thought up by children.

[Nick]

Well, so from my understanding, the, the reason why Root Beer man gets his name is. And this is, this, this is absolutely creepy, in my opinion. He was known to, to invite neighborhood kids into his home. He lived by himself. To invite them into his home or to have them, like, do chores or work around his home. And he would either pay them or often he would give them a can of root beer as payment. So he gets this nickname, Root Beer Man, Halloween Man. From my understanding, it's a very similar situation. But he was known to hand out candy to the, to the kids in the neighborhood.

[Co-host]

Oh, I'm Halloween Man, Give me some candy.

[Nick]

I would say, hey, give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they're just, you know, nice guys that, that are misunderstood, that are handing out root beer and Halloween candy. But we'll see with Root Beer man, there's a lot of reason to have some concern here. So Root Beer man lives across the street from Halloween man. People got a bad vibe about him that night because they say when they knocked on his door, he took forever to answer the door and he only cracked the door. He refused to open the door all the way. When asked if he had seen Shannon, he said no, she was probably just out getting candy. That seems like a strange statement to say at 10pm at night that an 11 year old is probably out getting candy and that's why she's not home. And then people were concerned that he took forever to answer the door. Could be simply that he was sleeping at the time. They did say he was fully dressed, which, which some people thought that that was strange as well because he too worked early in the morning and typically would be up and out of the neighborhood early in the morning to be off to work.

[Co-host]

Yeah, just a little over the clothes. Flicky, flicky.

[Nick]

Extensive searches of the area were done by local, state and even federal law enforcement as the days went on. Waterways were searched, dogs were used, helicopters, the whole nine yards. But they couldn't find her. The state police were involved and as. And the FBI even got involved as well, but nobody really had any idea what had happened to her. Now there was a man who had a dog trained in either search and rescue or, or cadaver search. It's not fully explained and those are two very different things. Handlers will know that, that those are two very different things. But this man offered to provide services to Shannon's family. And Shannon's father says that the dog went into Shannon's room, smelled some of her clothing. The dog takes off running directly over to Root Beer Man's house, right over to the creepy. And it's stated that the dog sniffed around this trailer and tried to sniff under the Root Beer Man's trailer for around 45 minutes. Once they were able to get the dog to continue, the dog then ran to the nearby forest, up to the railroad tracks and over to County Road 4 and then stopped. So I love these dogs, but I've pointed out plenty of times, one, one problem is they can't talk. They can't tell us when you ran to those, when you ran to the forest nearby and ran over to the railroad tracks, were you still following the scent?

[Co-host]

You must be a scent dog because you can't freaking talk either, right?

[Nick]

But what we do know is that dog seemed to show great concern for the Root Beer Man's house and under the trailer of that house. So much so that they had to, they had to urge the dog to, to move on. It just wanted to Stay there. That's where my concern would go.

[Co-host]

Well, why are you urging the dog to go anywhere else other than where it wants to go? Isn't that the point of the dog?

[Nick]

Right, but it, that's why I pointed out it's different to be trained in search and rescue or, or cadaver. Because if that dog's trained in search and rescue, you're. That dog's job is to find the person. Right? Right. If it's trained in cadaver, it's trained to find a cadaver, any cadaver. But here, if it's, if, if it's looking for the person, you get to this man's home, he, he answers the door. Right. And this dog is really concerned about this home. But you've not found the person you're searching for, so you do have to kind of move on. But, but it wasn't lost on anybody that this dog showed concern about this, this home. This is one of those situations that we've seen in made for TV movies where fictional or whether it's true crime based. The whole community was constantly checking in on the news, reading the newspapers. Where is this little girl? We're not just talking about Candlestick park, we're talking about Prattville. The whole town and city of Prattville, they were putting up yellow ribbons. Now unfortunately, those yellow ribbons did bring her home, just not in the way that anyone wanted. Right. On October 6, 2001. So remember, she goes missing mid August. So this is weeks and weeks that pass. We have two rabbit hunters and forgive me if I say this wrong, but they were hunting in the Ataga Wildlife Management Area. This is a public hunting area. It's about 19 miles north of Prattville. They come upon an area that appeared at first to be. They think that it's just like scattered trash that they find in this hunting area. However, they quickly realized that they had found a body. They found the body of a little girl who had been tied with a rope, stuffed inside a trash bag and found with her underwear around her head. And enough time has passed that they're pretty certain unfortunately, that this is Shannon Polk, who they've everybody's been looking for for all this time. But they're going to have to confirm that. And in fact we, we had the police statements that are saying, you know, we don't have another missing person that even vaguely fits this description. So we're pretty certain that it's Shannon Paul. They do run some DNA and, and get confirmation that it is in fact the little girl that everybody was looking for. We need to point out here that, that this area to me is one of the keys to solving this case, I believe, because there are several people that have gone on record saying I lived in Prattville, Alabama my entire life. And we're not talking about 15 year old people saying this, we're talking about 50, 60 year old people saying I lived in Prattville, Alabama my entire life. I didn't know that this area existed. This, this, this hunting area. I, I had never been there. Right. It's, it's like a dirt road off of a dirt road off of a dirt road to get to it.

[Co-host]

Which is a tough thing because you look at these crimes where the, the victims are found in remote areas and law enforcement always assumes that that means it's somebody local. But I don't necessarily believe that.

[Nick]

You might not believe it, but I'll tell you the first thing I would be doing after, after they found this girl, if it were my case, I would be checking for, I would be cross referencing hunting licenses, right. With people that lived in her neighborhood.

[Co-host]

Well, that definitely makes sense.

[Nick]

Remember, just like, just like finding the Long island serial killer, it was as simple as who owns a truck that the witness saw in this neighborhood? There was one guy and he fit the description, the physical description of, of a potential witness in that case. Right. In this case I would be looking for. If, if I, if I see out of 220 homes in this trailer park, only one dude has a hunting license, I'm going to be on him like white on rice. So the, the key players here, the persons of concern that stand out. And again, it's possible that none of these individuals have anything to do with, with the murder of this little girl or, or her disappearance for weeks at all. But the, but the people that remain key players are people of concern in this case for 20 years is the Prattville police officer. He doesn't seem very likely to me, Captain, because his, his kids are home the whole time. Right. Like we know that he's not alone and then he leaves for work.

[Co-host]

Well, because the way her body was discovered, to me the crime didn't take place there. It's more likely that it took place somewhere else and she was transported there. What you're saying, and not that there's not other possibilities, but it's like the guy's at home, he has to go to work, he tells her not to come in the house, the boys never see her in the house. And so we don't have any evidence of him leaving super early. And then, you know, Picking her up and doing something with her. The case is unsolved, so he is one of the last people that we know of to see her. So he has to stay on the list until we can prove that he didn't do it.

[Nick]

Yeah, the thing here, I, that I keep.

[Co-host]

I want to put him at the.

[Nick]

Top of the list. No, actually I wouldn't discard him, I wouldn't remove him from your list, but I'd put him at the very bottom because I. What I see here, and I look no Sherlock Holmes, but it looks to me like somebody had to conceal Shannon Paul.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Nick]

And there's no nice way of saying it, so I'll just say it. They had to conceal this girl, either abducted and alive or, or otherwise. And I don't. Given the timeline, when, when a. That's a pretty solid alibi. A police officer is at work. He leaves at 1:15 and is very likely trying to help the investigation by saying, yeah, she knocked on my door. I told her to go away. And then when I left for work at 1:15, I saw that stroller that was with her earlier and I didn't see her. If he is involved, he's got a short window of. Of an hour and 15 minutes to do whatever happened and conceal her, abducted and alive or otherwise. It just doesn't seem to be enough time for any of that. And he's not alone. At any point in that timeline, the Halloween man is of concern. I wish I had more information on this, on this individual. He lived across the street from Root Beer man, handed out candy to the kids in the neighborhood.

[Co-host]

I'd love to know if any of these guys are register sex offenders.

[Nick]

Well, we do have somebody on our list that is. So I wish that we knew more about this Halloween Man.

[Narrator]

He.

[Nick]

But he, he is became under suspicion because of people in the neighborhood. So that does hold some weight to me. Yeah, that he's. He's rumored as being thought as could be possible. I gotta admit, Captain, when I found out that he handed out candy to the kids, that completely made sense why he had this nickname. I was hoping that it was more of a he looked like Michael Myers situation. But then I guess nobody would knock on his door if that was the case. Ty Foster is a person that's named as a person of concern. And I'm saying a person of concern because the police have not outwardly named anybody as a suspect or person of interest in this case. So let's just say person of concern. And a lot of this concern is coming from Individuals in the neighborhood. This is an individual that he was a neighbor of Shannon's. He lived there with his wife and kids. His kids were similar age to Shannon. He frequented their. I'm sorry, she frequented. Frequented their trailer to play with his kids. Another tie to the family is that Shannon's older sister Lisa babysat his kids. The Root Beer Man. I say pay attention to this guy. His name is Jack Earl Gibson. He lived a couple blocks from Shannon. He lived on Met Street. I believe he's the one known as Root Beer Man. He would have kids do odd jobs around the trailer. In his trailer, he would pay the younger kids with candy and. Or soda. I'm sure sometimes he was paying them with money. But the reason why I say pay attention to this man is the same night that Shannon goes missing, Jack Gibson is arrested for possession of child pornography. So this makes him a strange suspect, right? Like, wouldn't you move him directly to the top of the list, knowing this? But also think of the timeline. If he's arrested that night, that means police were in his home and found this stuff that night. So they had concern enough to go in or he allowed them to go in. And again, if. And I firmly believe she had to be concealed, had he already made provisions to move her at another time? Was she under his trailer? Is that why that dog paid so much attention to his trailer? Right.

[Co-host]

Did he hide her for. Did he conceal her on his property before he moved her?

[Nick]

Which I think that's what somebody did here. But again, we don't know the details that the police were working with at the time. He gets problematic for me because of my earlier statements of she needed to be concealed. And he's. He's arrested that night. Yeah, I wish I had a better timeline on that. It's. It's just stated that he was arrested that night. Now he ends up being charged with all kinds of possession. They go through his computer. And the, the type of images and files that he had stored on his computer were of kids that were around the same age of. Of Shannon. If you're looking to make an arrest and close out this case, unfortunately, what you're looking for on this guy's computer and in his belongings in his home are images of Shannon. That's what they don't find. They find images of other kids, but not of her. Now, to take this a step further, this doesn't sound like it was just something where he was collecting these images off of the Internet or wherever he's getting this gross stuff from, but it sounds like he on several occasions had lured children into his home and he was physically taking photographs of. Of kids. One thing that I want to point out about him, I think that like I said earlier, I would be cross referencing hunting licenses with persons that live in this neighborhood. Whether those licenses are active or not, that's a paper trail that police could easily find. That's something I don't have access to. We here at the garage task force, we don't have access to that type of information. But I can say this. His email address. I found his email address. The word hunter is in his email address.

[Co-host]

Yeah, our task force didn't find that, but our ass force did find that information.

[Nick]

I'm concerned that this guy is a hunter. I'm concerned that he lives in the area. I'm concerned that he has all this child sex abuse material and pornography in his possession.

[Co-host]

He's a creep.

[Nick]

He's super creep, Root Beer Man. And he, he fits. He checks a lot of boxes here as a great suspect. Now, I've seen several statements that this guy has been cleared.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Do we have DNA? Do we have fingerprints? Do we have anything?

[Nick]

And look, I don't, I don't, I don't. This is not. We don't need to be privy to this information. But I do get mad as hell when I see somebody that's cleared and we get no explanation as to why. Now, I've heard a few different persons thoughts that live in the area and both would make sense. So one thought is that he's been cleared either by DNA like you just said, or that he has, or that his alibi is rock solid. And before we wrap up here today, make sure that you make me circle back to that because I got a lot of thoughts on that. But. But let's continue on with these persons of concern, Right? We already mentioned the police officer. We mentioned Halloween man. One thing that makes him a little concerning too is we do know that Shannon knocked on his door close to the time that she is believed to have been abducted. But we do have the witness saying that he wasn't home, that he didn't answer the door.

[Co-host]

Like you said, Root Beer man lives right across the street from Halloween man. So whether she's knocking on Halloween man's door, beer man's door, they both, I think, equally become suspects because of the proximity.

[Nick]

Ty Foster becomes a person of concern because they found a small, A very small amount of blood in his home. This was collected, it was tested. It was believed to be Shannon's blood. I don't know if they ever confirmed that it was 100 Shannon's blood. But we, but he says to police, you know, because they're gonna, they're, they're smart, they're gonna ask these questions. You try to trip these dudes up, right? You don't say, why did, why did we find this blood in your home? No, you say, hey buddy, why would we have found Shannon's blood in your home, whether it's hers or not? Right? That's how you word that question. Try to trip this guy up. His statement to police is that she, she would come over to his home. Remember, she played with his kids. Her older sister babysat Ty Foster's kids. So there is an easy explanation for Shannon to have been in his home. He says on one of those visits she had a nosebleed. Shannon's mother did confirm that Shannon often got nosebleeds. So this seems to make some, maybe explain this away. It does make some sense. But then you don't love to hear this at all that later he pleads guilty to charges of, of assault and sodomy on a nine year old boy.

[Co-host]

Jesus.

[Nick]

He is somebody that remains a person of concern. You just wonder if when I compare him to somebody like Root Beer Man. Root Beer man checks a lot more boxes, I believe, than Ty Foster. But, but obviously you can't move off of this guy. And then of course, you have the, the, the low probability of a random abduction. And I think here we can't rule that out, obviously, because we, we just don't know it's unsolved for a reason. But we do have statements by local kids and this. I don't want to get all weird and Stephen King on you here, Captain.

[Co-host]

Dude, you're weird as broseph, but I've.

[Nick]

Had like, this case gives me a really weird and uneasy feeling. I mean, of course any child abduction murder case should make us all feel something very strange. Depressed, what have you. But there's something about this case that almost feels like. Like it cannot be solved. And I don't mean because of police or because of, of the actions of the perpetrator. This just feels like there's something out in the, in the ether. I don't know, like, I can't explain it, but there seems to be something preventing this case from being solved. And when I first got this uneasy feeling was because of. The next detail here is that we had a couple of kids who gave a, a description of a person that they said that Shannon was last seen to be speaking with. I Hesitate to know how much time to spend on this next detail, because years later we're told by the authorities to disregard that sketch, that, that it's not part of the case, that it, that it may have been simply a hoax or that they were given bad information. Right, but part of that, part of that information that came from teenagers. This was teenagers that gave the information to police was that she was seen spotted talking to this individual near where the bus would pick up the kids to go to school. This could point more towards a random stranger abduction, or it could also point to somebody that maybe lives in the larger community of Prattville, but not in the trailer park community. Because I have to wonder, did they come up with this idea? Because was there someone that would stop and talk to the kids at the bus stop?

[Co-host]

That's very possible.

[Nick]

A lot of creatures, because that's part of the story, that this was an individual that, that may have stopped on more than one occasion and talked to kids at the bus stop.

[Co-host]

Well, if you're looking for kids, the bus stop is a good place to find them.

[Nick]

So part of that. Let's, let's include this here because this could still be important. Again, we were told eventually to disregard that sketch. Supposedly there are witnesses that sell Shannon talking to a stranger on the day of the abduction. They claim that Shannon was speaking to a man in a red Jeep Wrangler or a red Jeep with a soft black top. She. It was said that she, Shannon seemed to be familiar with this person. There was also word of a white sedan spotted in the area that day that was dirty, that had a braided license plate, like a metal braided license plate holder. That was part of the description. The, the description of this man is pretty detailed, kind of a. A square shape head. Spongebob with facial hair.

[Co-host]

Nope.

[Nick]

Goatee down to a beard, short dark hair, a tan male, white male.

[Co-host]

Well, what I wonder, and I don't know if law enforcement has come out and said anything. They're saying disregard the sketch. Are they saying disregard this, this, these eyewitnesses altogether? Because it's such a detailed description of the individual, the description of their car. It seems like law enforcement would have figured out who this individual was and they would have talked to him.

[Nick]

So the information I have is that simply the years later, the persons that provided this information to police recanted the statements and even told law enforcement that the, the sketch was made up.

[Co-host]

Strange. Why would you make, why would you make this shit up?

[Nick]

Right? And these are not like, these are not like adults that Had a. That had reason to point the finger elsewhere, right to. Hey, don't look at me too much because you should be looking for this guy in this jeep or this white sedan. Here's what he looks like. This is coming from. From youngsters at the time. And again, that's why I. Not to get all Stephen King on you, but I. There's just like some. Some like, dark force, I feel like, that is preventing this case from being. I don't know. I know I'm not making any sense, but I can't. I've had that, like, weight on my chest all week long, and I don't know how to describe it.

[Co-host]

A couple things here it could be, and probably most likely it's a pedo. It's a creep couldn't control their urges. But then you get this weird eyewitness, very detailed report coming from teenagers, like you said. Why would they be making stuff up? Well, maybe something bad happened. Maybe. And that's not out of the realm of possibilities because, yes, hunters would know about very weird remote locations. But who else knows about weird remote locations? Kids and teenagers. Yeah, that's something. If you're law enforcement, you have to question. Why did these kids make this up?

[Nick]

Yeah, well, exactly. And the. The other thing, though, we need to keep in mind is what, at its simplest form, makes your best suspect. Well, it's one, a person that. That was around in the area with Shannon at some point that day. And two, had the ability to. Sorry, but there's no nice way of saying this. Discard her body in that location. That is miles and miles away.

[Co-host]

Right.

[Nick]

So those two things have to happen for your good suspect. Now, I want to point out here this root beer man he worked in. He was a maintenance man at the Veterans Affairs Medical center in Montgomery, Alabama. This is a call to action. This is a little homework for any of our listeners out there. If anybody in the area knows where this guy worked beyond this, I. I'm trying to really. I know that that's a pretty good description of where he worked, but if anybody has more information about where he worked, I. There is a possible lead on this case that could be. A connection, could be made here. If we had more information about his employment at this time, the reason why, okay, he could have been ruled out by DNA. And our listeners are out there, we're lucky because we live in the golden age of using DNA to solve these cases. Genealogy, detective work. And I'm sure there's a few listeners out there going, okay, if they ruled him out, by DNA. That means they have suspect DNA in the case. Why aren't they just using genealogy work to get a surname and then figure out a suspect from there? Hopefully I have my hands together in the praying motion that that is going on behind the scenes right now. And they're close to finding this dirt bag. But we could also have a situation where the DNA is not great and it's just enough to exclude people, but not really hone in on the, the person responsible. Now we don't have any confirmation of why the statement of this child pornography collecting dirt bag that's taking pictures of kids as well, living in the neighborhood, handing out root beer. Yeah, to, to kids when they come into his trailer. We don't have any statement from law enforcement as to why this dude was ruled out other than he's been eliminated. Now I, I, I have concern of that because here's where my fear is. If they didn't use DNA, if they didn't use science to eliminate this guy, there's got to be a detective in this agency that's going, come on guys, let's take another look at this dude. Because the other rumor that I've heard is that he was ruled out due to an alibi that he was at work all day and so he was not in the area. Remember we said that two things have to happen for your good suspect. He has to be in the area at the time that she went missing and has to have the ability to transport her all that way away to, to try to hide the body. Okay, so he was at work all day. That's great. That works. If you are correct in your belief that she went missing during that 1 hour and 15 minute window that they've created, eliminated. If that window is wrong, if you guys are wrong about that, you can't eliminate him.

[Co-host]

Absolutely not.

[Nick]

If you, if you take that timeline back out to what you were originally working with, that between noon and 7:30 was your time of concern, he could have been back home and in the area well before 7:30, but still not in the area to meet that noon to 115 window. You see what I'm getting at with that? That's why I, I hope that they've not eliminated persons because they were at work at 1:15 that afternoon. Right. Because there could be, there could be a situation where she's not abducted until after that 115 timeline. That marker there. And the other thing that, that brings up some great questions here, right? Time of day, who has access, who's just out and about that time of day, that's, this is middle of the week. This is a Thursday. That plays a part here. I believe the other thing too that you have to wonder about is the time of year. This is about a week or so before they would start school. So who's not working in the summertime? Somebody had to have access to, to get her at that time, whatever time of day that was, they had to have access to actually to getting her. There's a lot of mystery with this case now. Root beer man, Jack Gibson, he, he has served his time. He, he faced a lot of charges, he served his time. He's, I believe he's moved out of the area. As said though, I think I'm going off of the idea because the word hunter is in his email address that, that he was at one time a hunter and therefore may have known of this area where the body was disposed of. I have a lot of trouble moving on from this guy.

[Co-host]

Well, that's because he was your high school sweetheart.

[Nick]

And I'm not law enforcement and I'm not, certainly not qualified to say who should be cleared and not cleared in this case.

[Co-host]

Well, what's tough is we have a pretty good timeline. We have a lot of individuals in this neighborhood that search for her. We have a handful of suspects, her body is recovered. We're not privy to what other evidence was retrieved by law enforcement. But with all these years later, you think they give us a list, like an updated list of individuals they ruled out or ruled in.

[Nick]

Well, and this is a big time case there. This remains a case that is hyper focused on by law enforcement and locals even more than 20 years later. So that is one thing that is glass half full here now. Another thing that I want to point out is Jim Baird, this is the one time mayor of Prattville. He was in fact, he was the mayor for 12 years and was the mayor at the time that she went missing and that was later found. But Jim Bayard, he's on record very recently saying, quote, one of the things we have got going on right now is we have another state that we've been working with and also a federal agency that is working with us to review all the information on Shannon's case. Again, it goes on to say that is one of those things that we are talking about trying to link a case in another state to Shannon's and that's what we are going to see. If they are linked, it could have been nationwide. He's talking about kids getting snatched. Could be nationwide and somebody else was involved. You know, somebody was involved that was moving about, or it could be somebody that was going through the state. He says, we don't know. We're hoping that one of those cases outside of the state might be of help to Shannon's case. As said, this is very much on the hearts and minds of local law enforcement and even law enforcement at the state level. The FBI has been involved. This is a horribly heartbreaking case. I'm hoping that somebody out there somewhere knows something. Tom Allen from the Prattville Police Department is on record. He, he's the lead, I believe, current lead on this case. He has said that they still receive tips and they still receive information and they still have people reach out that want to help about this case, help with this case. So that's also something in the positive as well. For those of you out there or anyone out there with any information at all on Shannon Polk's case, we urge you to call Prattville CSI Sergeant Tom Allen at 334-595-5025.

[Co-host]

Want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week. And thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for telling your mother. And until next week, be good, be.

[Nick]

Kind, and don't live. Sam.