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The Bedside Murders /// Part 1 /// 773 Part 1 of 2 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com Sometime between the waning hours of October 13th and the dawning of October 14th a young mother and her grandmother were viciously beaten and strangled. The night of Sunday, October 13, 1968 was a gloomy one, with rain falling steadily. Clyda Jean and her three boys arrived back at their home around 9:30pm that night. Clyda’s grandmother Nancy Warren lived in the trailer beside theirs. The next morning both Clyda Jean and Nancy Warren were discovered having been murdered in the night, found on the family property. The three boys were left unharmed. This case remains unsolved. The Manson Family is considered a possible connection and may have been responsible for the deaths. Beer of the Week - Dark Lord by 3 Floyds Brewing Garage Grade - 4 and 3 quarter bottle caps out of 5 More True Crime Garage can be found on Patreon and Apple subscriptions with our show - Off The Record. Catch ...
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All right, everybody, gather round. Grab a chair, grab a beer. Let's talk some True Crime. Family is everything. When times get tough, there is nothing like having supportive parental figures to help guide you to adulthood. In the life of Clyda Jean Delaney, that figure was undoubtedly her parental grandmother, Nancy Warren. In the absence of steady, committed biological parents, Nancy offered her granddaughter a stable upbringing and a loving household. Not only when she became unexpectedly pregnant when she was just a teenager, but long after, even when Klyda was an adult with three children of her own. Which is why the horrifying events that occurred in the dark, rainy hours on the night of Sunday, October 13, 1968, were all the more tragic. This is True Crime Garage, and this is the still unsolved case of the Bedside Murders. The following is told from the perspective of Johnny Usry. I knew I was late waking that morning because I could see that the sun was shining through my bedroom window. Normally when I wake it is still mostly dark out, but that morning the sun was already up and out and that normally hasn't happened yet when I wake up. I got out of bed and I went out of my room looking for my mother. So I walked into my mother's bedroom and I immediately noticed that her bed was still made. I thought that this was weird because to me it meant that nobody had slept in the bed. My mother's purse was open and sitting on the bed, the contents of which had been dumped out, not in a pile, but spread throughout, all over my mother's bed. Of course, none of this made any sense. The sun shining through my window, my mom's bed still made from the night before, and her purse dumped. I wasn't sure what was going on or frankly, what I was supposed to do, so I decided to go outside. I was still in my pajamas and barefoot, but I went outside anyway. I was looking for my mom. My grandmother lived in her trailer by herself right next door. My mother, me and my two little brothers lived in a separate trailer. We always went over there to my grandma's for meals and to hang out and stuff. There was a gravel walkway between our trailer and my grandmother's trailer. When I stepped Outside, right away, I saw my mom. She was lying on the gravel between the two trailers. She wasn't moving. I ran to her and knelt down. Something was around her neck. I screamed. I screamed as loud as I could. But it was of no use. Not to her, not to me. She was gone. The thing about that moment that I'll never forget is that my mom, she was a blonde. A true blonde, almost platinum. And lying there with no life left in her, she looked different to me. Her face was so pale that it was almost the exact same color as her hair. The same color as her almost white hair. She. My mom was all white. And she was dead. I can remember it like it was yesterday. I screamed like crazy and I got up and I ran to my grandmother's trailer. Now, in this exact moment, I don't know if I was still screaming or not. But I can remember watching my hand twist the doorknob and it opened with ease. I pulled the door open and I stepped inside. The first thing that I noticed was that the television was on, but the screen was all fuzzy. Then I saw her lying there the same way as my mom. I was frightened, so I ran out of there. But I couldn't stand the thought of seeing my mother again the way she was. So I decided to run out of the back of my grandmother's trailer. And then I ran around to the back of ours. I went inside and I woke up my two brothers. I dressed them both as quick as I could. I was going to get them out of there. We were just about to leave when something stopped me. I will never understand why, but something compelled me to stop and grab the three piggy banks that we kept on top of the refrigerator. I handed one to each of my brothers. And now, with a piggy bank in each of our arms, we ran, the three of us, to the neighbor's house. Me being the oldest, I pounded on the door. When the neighbor opened up, I told them that my mommy and my grandma were dead. A short time later, I remember staring out the window, looking across the field at the two trailers and seeing all of the cop cars. I was eight years old. Captain. These murders, as described by the little eight year old boy, Johnny Usury, are at times referred to as the Bedside Murders. Now, from the description that we just provided, that's not such a great name. Mrs. Clyda Delaney, age 24. This is Johnny's mother. She was found dead having been strangled just as he described. Lying on some gravel in the short distance between these two trailers. Nancy Warren, who Johnny is calling grandma. In this Description, she is 65 years old and she's actually Klyda's grandmother. So Johnny's great grandmother, but he called her grandma.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Nancy was found in the living room area of her trailer. She too strangled, but there was a significant amount of blood around her. She's was found lying in a pool of her own blood. And in some reports they state that this pool of blood is about four feet in diameter. This took place near Ukiah, California. The bodies were found on Monday, October 14, 1968. That is why the little boy was saying that he knew that he was late because this was a school day for him and he was used to his mother waking him for school, as we just heard. And that did not happen on this day.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
So if the Bedside murders isn't a good name, where did it come from and what do you think it should have been called?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Well, I. I don't have an opinion on what it should be called, but they neither victim was found in their bed or next to their bed. One victim outside, one in the living room. But we can surmise here, Captain, that the, the name likely comes from the original newspaper headline about this story. And that headline was ukiah mother and daughter found strangled in their beds, which we know wasn't true. Now, keep in mind, back then, in a lot of the different parts of our country, the newspaper, Newspaper business was huge. And sadly, that's not the case anymore. The newspaper business was so big and so many people bought papers and red papers that they, in many parts of the country, they were putting out a morning paper and an evening paper. And we've seen this with a lot of other cases from the 50s and 60s that we've talked about over the years where you get this reporting. They're. They're really wanting to get the story out, but they, they don't really have all of the information or the information that they get is just not good information because it's a rush to get this story out. Right, These bodies are found 7:30am Maybe 8am at the latest. By the time we have authorities on the scene and going through the scene. And this is in the evening paper, which still has to be an article written, statement taken and then the paper printed and delivered to everybody. So a quick turnaround would lead to this being called the Bedside murders with the detail, the incorrect detail of the two being found strangled in their beds.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
William, we have to remember too that newspapers were a lot bigger because a lot of households didn't even have television sets.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Now Little Johnny had just turned eight years old. This was just days prior. So in many of the reports, he is said to be seven. This is Mendocino County, California. Persons who follow this show will remember that this is the same general area that we were talking about with parts of the duo serial killers case, Leonard Lake and Charles Ang. But obviously, years before those abductions and murders began. Now, we need to go through a little bit of a background here on our victims. Nancy Warren, the older of the two victims, the grandmother or great grandmother, she's Clyde's grandmother, and the great grandmother of the three boys that were forced to flee the trailer on that fateful day. Now, when most people think of great grandmothers or great grandparents, they think of persons in their 80s or maybe their 90s. Nancy, by all accounts, was 64 or 65 years old. She was the owner, operator of Nancy's Antique Shop. Some reports say that it was called Warren's Antique Shop, which would be her last name. This is located, this little store, this antique shop was located near the two trailers. That's going to make things complicated for investigators as well, because there's the, the, the motive in this case here, Captain, for either of these victims to have been killed is still highly debatable to this very day. One thing we have to keep in mind, too, that antique shop that she owned and ran, this is very near Highway 101. We've talked about this with bank cases or anytime we have a victim where their home is very near the freeway, that lends itself to being maybe a random crime. Somebody driving by, somebody from the area, or not even from the area. And so this case gets complicated just by the proximity to the highway as well. The descriptions I found state that this antique store was approximately 2 to 300 yards from the freeway. So it's very close, not far at all. Now, Nancy Warren, the older of the two victims, she was the owner of both of the trailers that the family was living in at the time. Nancy's in one trailer and Clyde and the three little boys in the other. Klyda, who as reported, has the last name of Delaney, she would have been just 16 or 17 when she had her first son, Johnny. Johnny and the other two little boys. Their father is John Usury. He had done some prison time for stealing cattle and at the time of these murders was living in Oregon. So he's living in a different state. The two had divorced, and I believe it was just about two years before the murder that they. They had separated and the divorce was final. But it should be noted that he was seeking full custody of the three boys, but wasn't having any success on that front. My guess would be him having committed a crime that lands his button prison is probably standing in the way of him having full custody of his three sons. From what little information there is, the marriage was not great, so the two separated. But the boys were very, and I can't express this enough, very fond of their father saying that it was like Christmas every time that he came around. They always say that they were very excited to see him. So I, I'm guessing that meant that when, when dad showed up, when he was around, when they got to see him, that meant probably gifts. He's probably showing up with some gifts. And I would have to guess too, given the distance between them and their father, the visits were probably few and far between. And we all know how much little kids would look forward to a visit of mom or dad, especially when it's not so frequent.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Investigators got their hands full on this case because like you said, you have the business not far from where they live. So then it becomes a question of is this a personal attack? Is this attack connected to the business in some way, shape or form? And then when you're doing your investigation, what is missing? Is there anything missing from the homes or the business?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
And the other thing too that we need to go through here, is that based off of his description? Right. We'll, we'll know more details as we go along, but just based off of little Johnny's description, we know that the killer or killers, I want to be clear about that because there's a lot of thought that this was at least a two person job. The killer or killers, we can surmise from his description that they entered both trailers. Right. They had to go into Nancy Warren's trailer. She was found dead inside her trailer. Now, Klyda was killed and found lying between the two trailers. But the little boy says that his mother's purse had been dumped and scattered about on her still made bed. And so that would be indicative to me that the person was inside that trailer at some point. Now, the antique shop itself, while it is very close in proximity to these two trailers, was never entered that night. And that's a statement coming from not family, not anybody that has anything to hide. That's coming from law enforcement. They say that the, the antique store, nobody went into that store during the time of the murders. Back to the background here, Captain. It looks to me like the father John, that they were so fond of the three boys I believed. I believe he did raise the three boys after Klyda was killed. So that. That's going to be very problematic for him as a suspect. Right. It's widely known at the time that he's seeking full custody of these three kids. Not having any success on that front. But the result of the murder is he ends up with custody of his three children.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Yeah. And it makes you wonder, what was the court saying to him to begin with? Were they saying, even if she wasn't around, the custody would go to the. The grandma? So then that would be motivation to kill both individuals.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
True. I. I would imagine that they're probably not even worried about next to kin when he's filing and trying to get and seeking full custody. Because the simple answer is going to be, you went to prison. Here's this woman, the mother, the biological mother of these three kids. She's more fit, deemed to be more fit by the courts to raise them than you are. And we all know that, dollars to donuts, especially back in the day, a lot of times, even if you're standing on even ground, the mother may get majority custody. I wouldn't say full custody, but majority custody. Now, we do know that he was able to see his sons. Now, did that mean overnight visits? Did that mean longer stays at his place? That I can't speak to. But what I can say is that after this divorce, remember, this is about two years prior to the murders. Nancy, our other victim, Klyda's grandmother, we should point out that Klyda's biological mother, which would. Which would be Nancy's daughter, was pretty much absent for most of Klyda's life, especially her adult life. So Nancy, the grandmother, insisted that Klyda and the boys live in the other trailer. I would imagine, she says, for as long as you need. But at some point, you know, this is an older woman. This is a lot of responsibility that she's taking on. We do know that Klyda was dating, maybe even recently married to another guy. This is Donald Delaney. So that's the explanation for why her last name is Klyda Delaney at the time. Donald is in his 40s. He has a daughter. She is in. She's a young teenager at the time of the murders. His daughter lived with him. So the two live in an apartment. The marriage, let's just say, is debatable because we have some say that they were married, and others say that there was no official marriage license, but it could very well be that she was married. But what we do know is that she's using his last name. And after the murders take place, the newspapers are are saying that the two were married. Now, as this story goes, Captain Donald, who was more than 20 years older than Klyda, the two were were dating and she gets pregnant. It was said that the two went to Reno, Nevada to get married, just the two of them, at the insistence of some of Klyda's family members. Why weren't the two living together? Well, that could be a very important piece of the murder puzzle here. Donald said that they would all five of them be living together if he could afford to get a house big enough for this new family. He said that he was in the process of house hunting. According to some and according to others, he said he simply could not afford a house big enough for the family. Donald was a California highway patrol officer. So they lived separate but would hang out together frequently. Klyda was eight months pregnant when she was murdered. So more fittingly so, we should call this a triple murder case. Because regardless of who the killer is and regardless of how this whole thing went down, at that point you have to know that you are killing a soon to be mother carrying a baby.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Yeah. Even though the business trailer wasn't entered, that doesn't mean that that wasn't a connection in this attack. But then you have this pregnant woman, which she's married or not married. Rachel says they're together. Ross says they're on a break. Do we have any sign of sexual assault? Because that could be a possible motive in this crime.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
No, we have no sexual assault on either of the two.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Cheers. Now the call came into the sheriff's office just after 7:30am that morning after little Johnny found both mom and great grandma dead and packed up his little brothers and headed to the neighbor's house, Sheriff Reno Bartolome and a cadre of officers arrived on the scene and began the investigation. Sheriff Bartolome labeled the case top priority. The reports are that he assigned his top man, this is senior investigator Earl Friend, to the case. This particular area, while they do have. So when we say senior investigator or top man, he. He does have plenty of homicide investigation experience, but they don't. This is not an area where they have dozens of homicides every year. From my understanding it. It's roughly one, maybe two a year. So not a. An area that sees a lot of this type of violence or this level of violence. We should say both women had been beaten and strangled with a leather boot lace. Now, before we venture too far along this report, the reporting in this case kind of drove me a little mad. The truth is, both women were strangled with a leather. What I would describe as a leather boot lace. Several of the reports say that they were garrotted with a leather thong. And so to me, the word thong is much different than a boot lace. And garrotted is much different than strangled. To me, when I look at a case and I see strangled, it's kind of, pardon the term, but murder 101, right? Most people kill someone for just a very limited. A number of reasons, either either greed, revenge, hate, or anger, or to cover up another crime. And that, that's what gets wonky here, because we have two victims. There's a strong likelihood here that one victim was killed simply because the other one was killed. Collateral damage. Garrotted, to me is very far from murder 101. That is sexual sadism. That's a whole different monster. The newspapers at the time appear to be using the word garrote and strangle interchangeably. And they're not. It's. It's an incorrect statement. Okay, like where with a garrote, you're. Now you. You're using another tool. You're using some kind of tool, right? Usually it's like a stick or, or sometimes a branch or something of that nature, maybe even a pipe to use to twist and to turn to. To cause that strangulation with that tool. And I say sexual sadism because a lot of times when this type of method is used, they are. Are releasing and then tightening and releasing and tightening to cause maximum suffrage.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
But as far as. Do we have this murder weapon, was this murder weapon left at the scene of the crime?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Both were found with the with an item still wrapped around their neck.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Right. So does that to you, does that point to more than one individual? Because. Seems a little strange to me that they would have. They both have something wrapped around their neck.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Well, what seems the most strange to me is that the way that it's described is that both, both items were left at the scene, left around the necks of the women, and they. The item is identical. That's why I'm underlining and, and pointing out to the listeners here, leather boot laces, by far the best way to describe this particular item. So if you look up the, the technical definition of thong. Right. Like, we're not talking about Cisco's thong song from.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Right.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Can you believe that song is like over 20 years old now? That. Does that make you feel old?
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
It seems like it came out yesterday.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Yeah. He's not, we're not talking about like a leather thong, like underwear type. And then some people might even refer to sandals or something of that nature as, as a thought. We're not talking about anything like that. It. This, this item, I've seen pictures of it. It's 36 inches in length and it's, it's made out of leather. I'm calling it a boot lace. It. It. Technically you don't, you wouldn't. I don't know that you would see this for a bootlegs. The, the thing that I would think you would see this the most of, like, right. When you go to festivals, concerts and what have you, you might see this item being fashioned into some kind of necklace where you would put. Put some piece of jewelry hanging on it and use it as a necklace or use it to fashion a leather bracelet.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Yeah, which it was very common at the time. I mean, this is the, you know, peace, love and flower power movement. So you'd see these kind of necklaces or wristbands often, often made at festivals and sold so they could make some money.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
I was really trying to figure out. Well, I mean, even. I remember Even in the 90s and 2000s, people selling these things at festivals. You can still see it today. But the, the, the thing I was really trying to figure out here, Captain, with the description of this murder weapon, mind you, is left on both women. So that means two. Somebody, Somebody either found these at the scene and chose to use them or brought them to the scene with them. Now I, I've been struggling for a couple days to try to sort out my head. Does that mean that they knew they were going to kill two victims? I don't think that that Necessarily means that. It could mean that they thought they were going, they, they brought more than one for the purpose of tying somebody up and for whatever reason that didn't play out at the scene.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Yeah, we don't know because we're not, we weren't there. So we don't know if the killer or killers had a bunch of these.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Well, and, and I'm pointing all this out to, just to state that our current day understanding of the word G or G just simply does not apply here. Right. That, so don't, don't have that image in, in your head because I don't think it, it applies. So the way that it's described is as said, 36 inches. Both of these items, and I'm going to call them a boot lace. Going forward, it says each lace, each boot lace had been looped twice around the neck, then knotted in the back. Both women were fully clothed and seemed to have dropped almost immediately. Earl Friend, the investigator, was struck by the, quote, lack of panic at the crime scene. Robbery was tentatively ruled out as the antique store was not broken into. There was a large amount of cash in plain sight in Nancy Warren's trailer that wasn't taken. And then the, the, the phrase that the investigator using, lack of panic really hit home with me because that made me think that the women were taken
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
by surprise because that, that's not where my mind goes. My mind goes what happened to them before this attack? Was there drugs in their system? Were they, were they drunk? Was there a reason why they didn't put up? Because to me, panic almost equals struggle. If you have a struggle, then the person is panicking or you'd see some kind of confusion or the crime scene would be disheveled. Does that make any sense?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
That's what he's saying. There's no sign of that at the scene.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Yeah. So did they do a toxicology report?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
That information is not available.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
I don't even. I mean, this is 68. Right. So is that even something that they were doing? Obviously not at the level that they can, are capable of doing it now. But were they doing that back then?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
I can tell you this, the newspapers and police back then were quite trying to put this as politely as I can on there. They're, they're rude. Right. Like it's 1968.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Right.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Whether or not she married Don Delaney, the reason why that would be in such dispute is because if they were having a child together, whether they got married or not, they may want to give off the appearance of having been married and her taking his last name, even if there was no marriage license, simply because of the shame that would come from having a child together at a wedlock. Today, that's, that's every day, right Back then, that was something that was really incredibly frowned upon. And even like drinking and drugs and anything of that nature was way more frowned upon than it is today. So had they found an open bottle of liquor in the living room with Nancy Warren, it would have been all over the newspapers. They would have said, oh, there was a lack of panic because she was, she was believed to be intoxicated. They don't say that. And so what I mean by lack of panic here, you hit the nail on the head. He's saying that not because there's no that, that neither woman put up a fight. He's saying that because there's not. It didn't look like the, like a fight occurred that caused a bunch of destruction Inside the trailer with Nancy Warren. We know that she put up a fight because we have unidentified suspect blood that was found under her fingernails and she was beaten severely. So somebody attacked her, having beat her, and then strangled her. Klyda was different. Even though we had the little boy saying, I found my grandmother the same as I had found my mother, there's little to no blood in Clyde's case. She appears to have just been hit once. And we get no detail as far as whether they believe this was with an item or strictly just punched in the face and then she strangled. So where they say lack of panic and I say taken by surprise, I don't think that Nancy Warren was, was expecting that there was any kind of, that there was going to be any kind of problem with whoever was there.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
And we probably don't know this, but do we have defensive wounds on their neck as you know, like what a lot of people believe are moon shape marks around JonBenet's neck. Do we have that same situation here? Because if somebody's being strangled to death and they're in, they're fighting off the attack, they might not actually be fighting the attacker. They might be fighting the object that's trying to choke them. And so we would get defensive wounds on their neck. I believe they're kind of like half moon shapes or a moon crest shape.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
I believe both of these women, the way that it's been described to me, I believe that there's a good chance, especially with Klyda, that she was damn near knocked unconscious with that one hit before she was strangled. And I think very similar could be the case with her grandmother Nancy. Here's what we have here. The, the time of death is difficult here and the papers really went after the sheriff a bit here for not being able to narrow down the time frame and when the two murders could have taken place. They really had a hard time with the sheriff on that and the sheriff was trying to explain to him. He's like look, it's not like it is on tv. We, we can't narrow it down very well. Like so the general time of death for both was simply listed as late Sunday October 13th or early Monday, October 14th. And we know obviously in all cases timeline very, very important is the time of death, especially in this case because we have one suspect, some might even call him the prime. That could be completely eliminated if the time of death were late enough.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
It bothers me this the, the weapon of choice now that that's the final weapon of death. Right. Is, is this bootlegs one level. I think having the same boot lace around both victims necks you go well that's one killer. Right. But then we don't know the motive.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
It's the same type of boot lace, but it's not. I mean there were two of them.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
But it's confusing to me because we have basically the same type of boot lace around both victims neck. And so does it, does that point to one killer or is it. We don't understand the motive so it's hard to understand the crime. So maybe there was two and then that would mean that this was planned out way more. But also we don't have our only eyewitnesses or children so they can't tell us. Oh by the way, this, this bootleg came from my mother.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Yeah, that, that's the part that makes it very tough on our end is there? It doesn't sound to me like the sheriff's office has a clue whether these items were.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Well, I can't talk to them. But just your gut feeling. What, what do you think?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Talk to who?
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Well, I can't talk to, I can't talk to law enforcement because it's not 1968. But I'm just saying like what my gut, my gut points to that this was thoroughly planned out and I, I guess I lean more towards that. This is Malta. Multiple killers.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
I don't have a strong opinion on the number of killers because I don't think that there's enough information for me to arrive at any type of conclusion here. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that there were multiple killers because of.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
I just wanted to know what, what you felt in your gut and what you felt in your butt.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Well, I don't have a feeling is
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
what I have no feeling in the.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
But I just said there's not enough information to come to a conclusion if there was more than one killer. What I was trying to say is that what. The reason why I wouldn't rule that out is you have law enforcement in this case that have said that there is a possibility that this was a two man job or a two person job. I believe is the, their exact statement.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Well, and the other thing that I think possibly points to that and why law enforcement is making that statement is because the lack of, I guess for better word, destruction at the crime scene. It seems to be a more controlled situation. And if you have one killer on multiple victims, I would think that you would see more confusion at the crime scene.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
True, but there's, there's many scenarios where one could have been killed and then the other is killed later where you don't have to control, you don't have to control two. I mean, one's found inside a trailer, one's found outside.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
Right.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
I think another thing that convolutes this whole case is that when you start to look at some of the suspects that they've had in this case, a lot of the suspects would point to, regardless if there's one or two killers. Who's the target here? If, if this was not a robbery gone wrong, which I, I don't know that I think that it was, but who's the target here? Were both women targeted or was one the target and then the other was collateral damage? And the suspects, when you review the suspect list here, it, it's suggestive that Klyda Gene, the 24 year old, she was the target because of the, the close nature between her and some of the suspects. However, what the crime scene tells me, Captain, is that I'm looking at a scenario where I think somebody was in the trailer with Nancy Warren, kills her, and the commotion of that causes Klyda to come walking over from her trailer to see what's going on, and she's intercepted by the killer or killers or somebody on the lookout and then killed between the two trailers. If that's the scenario, then you go, well, Nancy, right. Whoever's taken out first is usually the targeted victim.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
If you know the victims, you know how closely they're connected. So in order to kill one, you might have decided that you have to kill two before you even show up.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
Yeah, I mean, they're practically. We, they're in two trailers, but they're practically living together. You don't get any more close than that. And it could be as simple of a situation as well. If you kill one, you have to kill the other because the other will tell everybody in their. In their cousin that I'm the most likely killer, that I'm the one that would be the guy or the girl or somebody to look at in this case. The thing that, that, that is so problematic about this case is the description of the crime scene and the description of the evidence that's available to us all of these years later, where you have statements from the sheriff's office that they say that these. That they. There's no indication that they think that the killer or killers found these leather boot laces, for lack of better term, at the crime scene and then decided to use them. Right. We've covered many murder cases where the. Somebody takes a kitchen knife from the victim's kitchen and stabs them. And that presents a whole different set of possibilities where here there's no, there's never any mention that. That these boot laces belong to Nancy or to Klyda. So based off of that, we can go under the idea that they were brought to the scene. But how much did the sheriff's office know and how much did investigators know about the. The evidence that they're finding? Because they give such strange statements, like one statement about these. This leather cord. That probably be a better description. These leather cords. What they say that they were new. These were new leather cords, but we don't believe that they were purchased recently. Well, how the hell would you know that? Like, they're new, right? Like, like, I get that maybe they're new, right?
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
You would see that they're new, but
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
we know that they're new. Old stock.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
You would see signs of wear and tear on this particular item if they weren't new. So I, I get how you arrive at that conclusion, but then how did you get to the statement of. Well, we don't believe that they were purchased recently. I guess maybe it's leather. It dries out once it's removed from the packaging. But 1968, I don't think that you would even package these things right. Like you. That they would. They're not showing up. You're not purchasing these in. In plastic. They're not sealed up in plastic before you purchase them. So that statement is very strange. I hate to say it, Captain, but I think that the. I think that this crime. And I will say this in their defense, there appears to be much confusion here and that was working against the investigation, of course. But it appears to me that this might have been this murder. These two murders might have been out of their league a little bit. They, they might have been playing out of their league.
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Captain (True Crime Garage Co-host)
So much more to get to join us back here in the garage for part two. Same bat time, same bat channel.
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Nick (True Crime Garage Host)
And until then, be good, be kind and don't lie.
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