428: The Devil on Trial

Summary

Podcast Summary: True Crime Obsessed – Episode 428: The Devil on Trial

Introduction

In Episode 428 of True Crime Obsessed, hosts Jillian Bathivale and Patrick Hines delve into the Netflix documentary The Devil on Trial. Released on May 13, 2025, this episode provides a critical and in-depth analysis of the documentary, dissecting its portrayal of demonic possession, the involvement of famed paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren, and the subsequent murder trial that captivated audiences.

Overview of "The Devil on Trial"

The Devil on Trial narrates the chilling story of the Glatzel family from Brookfield, Connecticut, focusing on their 11-year-old son, David, who alleges demonic possession. The documentary chronicles the family's descent into turmoil, the intervention of Ed and Lorraine Warren, and the sensational murder of Alan Bono, the family's dog groomer and Debbie Glatzel's boyfriend.

Hosts’ Critique of the Warrens

From the outset, Jillian and Patrick express strong skepticism towards Ed and Lorraine Warren, labeling them as "grifters" and questioning the authenticity of their paranormal claims. Patrick bluntly states, “Yes. They suck. They're such grifters” ([00:02]). This critical stance sets the tone for their analysis, as they dissect the documentary's narrative and the Warrens' role in perpetuating the family's alleged supernatural experiences.

Key Events Discussed

1. Family Dynamics and Initial Possession Claims ([01:30] – [04:00])

   • David Glatzel claims to be possessed by a demon, leading to erratic behavior and violent outbursts.
   • The family’s initial disbelief is quickly overridden by their fear, prompting them to seek help from the Warrens.

2. Involvement of Ed and Lorraine Warren ([14:56] – [16:04])

   • The documentary portrays the Warrens as seasoned demonologists bringing their expertise to the Glatzel case.
   • Hosts mock the formal titles and methodologies of the Warrens, suggesting a lack of genuine supernatural evidence.

3. The Murder of Alan Bono ([40:00] – [47:58])

   • Arnie Johnson, Debbie’s boyfriend, murders Alan Bono during a fallout allegedly linked to demonic possession.
   • The defense attempts to use "demonic possession" as an alibi, culminating in a highly publicized trial.

Examination of Evidence

Jillian and Patrick scrutinize the documentary's presented evidence, including audio recordings and photographs. They highlight inconsistencies and question the authenticity of supernatural occurrences. For instance, Patrick points out the lack of audio evidence during critical events: “We don't hear any of the audio recordings” ([02:35]).

Alternative Explanations

The hosts propose that the family's reported supernatural experiences may stem from psychological manipulation and prior abuse. Carl Glatzel, the oldest brother, reveals that their mother had been administering Sominex to control the family, leading to mood swings and hallucinations ([67:00]). This revelation suggests that David's behavior could be attributed to long-term medication rather than demonic influence.

Legacy and Impact

The episode discusses how the Glatzel family's case significantly boosted the reputations of Ed and Lorraine Warren, drawing parallels to the infamous Amityville case. Jillian asserts, “The Warrens come in and do that rude thing about victims by making it this like spooky ooky story” ([16:16]). The hosts criticize the Warrens for capitalizing on tragedy for personal gain, ultimately reducing real suffering to mere entertainment.

Conclusion

Jillian and Patrick conclude that The Devil on Trial perpetuates a false narrative of demonic possession, obscuring the real issues of family abuse and psychological manipulation. They emphasize the importance of scrutinizing such documentaries critically, advocating for a focus on factual accuracy over sensationalism.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Patrick Hines (00:02): “Yes. They suck. They're such grifters.”
• Jillian Bathivale (04:00): “He was a creep, I think.”
• Patrick Hines (14:56): “The Conjuring is about Ed and Lorraine Warren. Right. Are they given those names in the movie?”
• Jillian Bathivale (26:26): “You hear, so I'm glad. At least he listens to my father.”
• Carl Glatzel (47:29): “In front of people. She tried to portray herself as a holy roller and all this other stuff, but that was not even close to reality.”
• Patrick Hines (58:35): “Only after that conversation, did David do any of this? He learned what to do from the warrants he was told.”
• Jillian Bathivale (67:50): “But David the son is like, my mother would never do that. She would never have drugged the family.”

Final Thoughts

Episode 428 of True Crime Obsessed offers a skeptical lens through which to view The Devil on Trial. By challenging the legitimacy of the Warrens and presenting alternative explanations for the family's distress, Jillian and Patrick encourage listeners to question popular true crime narratives and seek deeper understanding beyond sensationalized stories.

Transcript

[Jillian Bathivale]

Can this be the last time we ever talk about Ed and Lorraine Warren?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. They suck. They're such grifters.

[Jillian Bathivale]

They are like. They are such grifters. I'm so glad we're on the same page.

[Patrick Hines]

The worst. And he was a creep, I think.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh, yeah. Good to know.

[Patrick Hines]

Ugh.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Hi. Jillian Bathivale.

[Patrick Hines]

Hi. Patrick Hines.

[Jillian Bathivale]

What if this was the week I was like, thank God they finally got the exorcism one, right? Like, thank God they knew.

[Patrick Hines]

It's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen, girl.

[Jillian Bathivale]

You may have heard, I'm out on the road doing a little tour.

[Patrick Hines]

Y. Yeah, of course.

[Jillian Bathivale]

So I'm doing my. My show. We're having so much fun. The whole night is just about making new friends. I make you laugh for an hour with a silly story about Bea Arthur and her hating me and being mean to me, but the whole night is just like, getting the listeners together. I hang out before the show. I hang out after the show. We go to the bar, and we just make. Make new friends, and we have a ton of fun. My next set of shows. So on June 6, I'll be in Boston. On June 23, I'll be in St. Louis. And on June 26, I'll be in New York City, my hometown. Fun. I'm doing my show for Pride weekend. If you're looking for something to do for Pride weekend, let it be that. It's gonna be so, so, so fun. You can get all the information and [e-mail].

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Do you want to tell them the other exciting thing?

[Patrick Hines]

We're also on YouTube.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I mean, it's going so well.

[Patrick Hines]

Is it okay? Great.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. I know you don't look at it, but it's okay. We look great. It's really fun. People are subscribing. Just go there. It's true crime Obsessed podcast. Subscribe. Watch. Like, if you want to see the antics in real time, like, that's where you're going to see them.

[Patrick Hines]

It's all happening over on YouTube. I've heard.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, it's amazing. It's happening over there. What are we talking about today, girl?

[Patrick Hines]

All right, so we're talking about the devil on trial on Netflix.

[David Glatzel]

When I was 11, he was possessed by the devil. A bizarre murder trial gets underway tomorrow. The devil made me do it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I said, why am I here? And he said, well, you just killed your friend. The nature of our defense has never.

[David Glatzel]

Been used in the United States is demonic possession. But the tale really begins at the end of this driveway where The Brookfield couple whose 11 year old son began acting strangely. You can feel something watching you.

[Jillian Bathivale]

We didn't believe him at first. Davis said this entity spoke.

[Patrick Hines]

He told David he wants his soul today.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Ladies and gentlemen, the ghost hunters, Ed and Lorraine Warren.

[Patrick Hines]

We instantly have on screen text that says this film contains recreated scenes based on documented events. As that is on the screen. Closed Captions Demonic growl it says. Then it says all the audio recordings and photographs are real. Are they Netflix? I mean, you're bullshitting me out of. Right out the gate.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Do you remember all those years ago when we did the Halloween thing where we just did a demonic possession?

[Patrick Hines]

One October, One ill fated October. We did a bunch of Zach B. Megan's bullshit.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This feels very much in that vein.

[Patrick Hines]

It's such bullshit. Cause like someone was actually murdered and it's just not fair and it's rude.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No. And I will say we eventually get to the truth teller. So like it's a little bit ridiculous, but then it gets good in the end. And I was like, thank the Lord.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So we meet David Glatzel. When I was 11, I was possessed by the devil. I'm like, oh, nice to meet you, David. When I was 11, I was making friendship bracelets and collecting stickers.

[Jillian Bathivale]

So I'm being pushed off the thing at Action Park.

[Patrick Hines]

So a little different. A little different.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

He also says he's never spoken to anyone about this. And I'm so. But I just don't believe him.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Absolutely not.

[Patrick Hines]

Of course you've spoken about that time you were possessed by the devil.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Of course. And it wasn't like a one off. It was like for many weeks or something.

[Patrick Hines]

Uh huh. Like, sure, Jan, I'm sure. It was. It was that fun six weeks he had.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's real. But like at the end of the day, I think that he believes it and I think that he was abused by his parents.

[Patrick Hines]

He was.

[Jillian Bathivale]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Because David is here to set the record straight.

[David Glatzel]

I would love to tell you my story about the possession and the murder and Arne Johnson. I'd like to make sure my family's portrayed with the accuracy that it should be. I know some people have fabricated some stories and I'm not happy with that.

[Patrick Hines]

And I want to talk about the murder. And I'm like, what?

[Jillian Bathivale]

The murder. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Like holy shit.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. And so David's whole family is here. We got Allen, the middle brother, and then Carl, the older brother.

[Patrick Hines]

Alan calls himself, his words, the typical. He goes, typical middle child syndrome. And I'm like, what is that? So I googled it. Google is like not nice about it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh, what do they say?

[Patrick Hines]

Google says it's a hypothetical condition and pop culture stereotype. Which is fine because like I'm the middle child. It's like not all middle children, I guess.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Lay it on me.

[Patrick Hines]

It suggests middle children may have certain characteristics and relationship issues due to their birth order. These characteristics can include. This is the AI overview. So take it with fucking a pound of salt. Feeling ignored. You feel overlooked or neglected by your parents. Low self esteem, which you don't worry about at all. Which you've told me.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No, I don't outwear.

[Patrick Hines]

You said like that's something you like are very luckily don't suffer from it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's like the one privilege I've ever had.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Seeking attention.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Which. No, no, no. That meant.

[Patrick Hines]

Independence. Middle children may develop a strong sense of independence as a coping mechanism. And I'm like, why can't they just be independent as a coping mechanism? They're like talking a lot of shit.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Well, I've like definitely come to terms lately with the fact that like my mom did the best she could but like we were barely parented. Like my mom was raising four kids and like working like her ass off to like support us. And so like all of those things apply to me. But I also like liked being the middle child.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Then they, it's like, then it just goes from like alienation to competition to meet. They're really good mediators because you were always. This is all bullshit. Like I just want the middle children to like come forward and like, what has been your experience? Because Alan is like, I was a totally, I'm a totally a middle child meeting what Alan.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I was also just like seeing a TikTok about how like middle children tend to be the most successful of the children.

[Patrick Hines]

That was made by midd. What I would like, wouldn't you like?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, but I mean in my, like in my case it's true. And I don't mean like necessarily. I like, I love my job. I'm the only one of my siblings that's still married to my original.

[Patrick Hines]

I know based on what Google tells me that like of course someone needs to take the power back.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Make a TikTok about it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

That was definitely made by a middle child.

[Patrick Hines]

That's like whatever you see. Like, only children are the best.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Guess who probably made that TikTok 100. 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

Travel down the road Back again girl.

[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

That's right. So Carl is the oldest brother.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Now we're gonna be told by Alan that Carl was kind of a bully. And we're gonna find out.

[Patrick Hines]

Idiot. He calls him an idiot, but we're.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Gonna find out at the end what was really going on with Carl.

[Patrick Hines]

Alan's like, carl made things difficult all the time. I'm like, the truth tellers usually do. Alan.

[Jillian Bathivale]

That's the thing, is that Carl is the only one who doesn't believe any of this.

[Patrick Hines]

So I thought, like, Carl, we're super annoying. The truth tellers are really annoying. Well, yeah, you hate to see us coming because we ruin everyone's, quote, good time. But we're very annoying.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Y especially when, like, this family was promised the world in exchange for their trauma. And Carl was the one that was like, I'm not doing this.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Because Carl is here.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes. And he.

[Patrick Hines]

He basically says that Alan was a little mama's boy. Like, that's sort of his thing. I'm like, they are fighting again. His words.

[David Glatzel]

But, like, Alan back in the day was just different. David and I would help my father and work, you know, whether in the garage or something. Alan really didn't want to get dirty, so he stayed with my mother most of the time. You know, he could bake a good cake, I can tell you that much. But he's just a little different than us.

[Patrick Hines]

He wanted to bake cakes. And I'm like, what's so bad about that?

[Jillian Bathivale]

I was waiting for Alan to be gay. Like, that's what I thought he was saying was that he's different and he liked to spend time with me.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a bad thing, right?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly. But no, it was just that, like, I think that, like, working on the truck and, like, mowing the lawn didn't appeal to a lot of us.

[Patrick Hines]

Carl. They just want to fight with each other. And they're doing it through Netflix.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah. Right. Because they're not interviewed in the same room. We're going to find out in the end that none of them talk to each other anymore. Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, whatever. So Debbie is the sister. Sister. And she's not here, but she's a major part of the story. So she's renting a house in. I think it's a Newtown.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Newtown. Newtown.

[Patrick Hines]

Not Newton Newtown.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No. Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She was moving in with her boyfriend Arnie.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And Arnie's here.

[Patrick Hines]

Arnie is here.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's July 2, 1980. Everyone goes to help them move into the house. David, the youngest. The possessee. Yeah, the possessee is sweeping, and Debbie assigns him the primary bedroom. Like, go up there kind of to get him out of the way.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Debbie's like, I gave all of my brothers chores to do in my new rental. I was like, debbie, you must be the oldest or something, because you got some power.

[Patrick Hines]

So Debbie is not here, but we have this old interview footage of her from God knows when. So that's when we're hearing her voice. It's from old footage. So after a while, David's, like, upstairs sweeping. He runs out of the house. He's super upset. He wants to go home right now. But as he says, I didn't tell anyone why.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right. So they sit down for dinner that night, and he finally explains what happened. And he said he was alone in the bedroom, but he could Feel something.

[David Glatzel]

And then I was pushed backwards onto the bed. I seen this image. Looked like the devil from a Halloween costume. His eyes were black, solid black, just like a chunk of coal. And it scared me.

[Jillian Bathivale]

With black eyes. All I can think of is, like, the devil from Hocus Pocus.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Garry Marshall.

[Patrick Hines]

And then Penny Marshall is there.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Penny Marshall. His sister plays his wife, which. Why have we never talked about that?

[Patrick Hines]

One must not speak to vest of Menor.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I think it's so creepy that Penny and Gary Marshall play brother and sister. That is.

[Patrick Hines]

But it is weird. A rated PG Disney movie where they're just bickering. There's no. You know, the whole point is that she's so annoyed by him.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Anyway. But, like, basically, the devil speaks to David. Right? Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

He was warning David. He told me to beware. He wants my soul. He's coming for me.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

David. And insists that it's for real. Everyone kind of ignores it and goes to bed. And I guess, realistically, like, what exactly are your options here?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Truly, like, traumatized, but right. I mean, like, this is also the 80s where nobody actually did. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

And we'll learn later that his mother was abusing them. But I guess it's sort of like, okay, David, like, we'll just make you feel safe and okay. And then we'll go to bed. And hopefully we'll all forget about it tomorrow. That's what everyone's doing.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly. But David can't sleep. And he says, like, he just is lying there in bed being tormented by the devil. He had this image. Something was coming. He said, I could see it coming closer and closer towards the house. And then he looks out the bedroom window and he sees a figure in the yard.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's. He's, like, awake all night in the dark. He doesn't sleep. Nothing happens. He's just having, like, visions of things happening right now. Judy, the mom, is worried. And our first call is to Father Dennis.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right. Which I guess isn't that uncommon for the time or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

Whatever. She's like, you gotta. And it's not about her son. It's, you gotta go bless her.

[Jillian Bathivale]

You got to come bless my house.

[Patrick Hines]

My daughter's new house. But she wants him to bless Judy's new house.

[Jillian Bathivale]

This. I was so confused because he never goes back into this house, but he remains possessed by this demon from that house.

[Patrick Hines]

That's kind of all it takes, right?

[Jillian Bathivale]

But it's like.

[Patrick Hines]

But again, to that point, Judy, the mom, maybe worry about your kid who's having these hallucinations or is maybe possibly possessed. But it's like, we got to get Father Dennis over here to bless the house. It's like, okay.

[Jillian Bathivale]

He brings holy oil, holy water, and incense.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm like, those two things don't mix.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Well, who did? The father, Dennis, was a lesbian. Like, my mother lived with all of these potions in her room at all times of any.

[Patrick Hines]

Of course we do. I have it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

The sheer amount of incense I grew up smelling. Oh. I mean, my mother. My mother burned patchouli incense from morning to night.

[Patrick Hines]

Wow.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Day and night. Like a proper lesbian.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I, too, have a. Have a cabinet full of incense.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Do you really?

[Patrick Hines]

Of course. So I always have incense. Either the sticks, I'm, like, kind of off of because I keep getting these, like, black pieces of soot everywhere. But I have, like, there's another option. I have the powder ones where you just put it in a vessel and burn it from the candle underneath.

[Jillian Bathivale]

You're such a witch.

[Patrick Hines]

It's pretty great. So at 3am David wakes up screaming.

[David Glatzel]

The house rumbled like someone had drove a truck into.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Sounded like a UFO was literally landing on top of the house.

[Patrick Hines]

Alan, Mr. Middle Child, says it sounded like a UFO was literally landing on top of the house.

[Jillian Bathivale]

This goes on for 30 or 40 seconds, and then the house is quiet. Now every member of this family is in the house, and they are all a part of this.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, David is screaming. He's here. It's evil. He's running and screaming all over the place. Lights are flashing. Things are falling and breaking. After 30 seconds, it just stops.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

And middle child, Alan, is like, all right, we got a ghost problem. Who you gonna call? Yeah, that movie hadn't even come out yet. Ghostbusters didn't even exist when this was happening.

[Jillian Bathivale]

But, like. And this is why. Like, this is why Ed and Lorraine Warren see an opening.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, a neighbor of theirs tells their family about Ed and Lorraine Warren. They are very famous air quot demonologists, which is, like.

[Jillian Bathivale]

We say that word like it's a normal word. He, like, introduces himself to people as a demonologist.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, so they're involved in the Amityville case.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I'm a bourbonologist. Going henceforth. I'm a bourbonologist.

[Patrick Hines]

Like the movie the Conjuring, which is an excellent movie, but, like, the case is. This case is actually what the third conjuring movie is based on, because it's called the Devil Made Me Do It. Oh, the first Conjuring is excellent.

[Jillian Bathivale]

So that's. The Conjuring is about Ed and Lorraine Warren. Right. Are they given those names in the movie?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, they are. They are playing themselves.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes. And. And it's Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga. And do they do the Amityville one?

[Patrick Hines]

They might. It's like a whole conjuring universe. I don't know. The first one is very good. If you could separate yourself from the fact that the Warrens are bullshit. It's a good horror movie. Like, it's a good movie.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And you promised me in this episode we're going to talk about the haunted Raggedy Ann doll.

[Patrick Hines]

Of course. Okay, so they've done 3,000 cases. Hauntings, possessions, exorcisms.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Chris McKinnell is their grandson and he's here to say, I was so proud.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Of my grandparents when I was growing up. Oh, I would see them in the newspaper or on television and it was just so cool. But on the other hand, I was also the weird kid because I had these creepy grandparents.

[Patrick Hines]

He was a weird kid with creepy grandparents. To which I say, chris, come sit next to me.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah. And I do love that we've never seen him before. Which what I mean by that is he hasn't tried to make himself famous for being their grandson.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Bathivale]

You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure, like in that paranormal universe or whatever, like people probably know him, but this is the first I'd ever heard of him. And I was like, good for you, kid.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, the horrible murder of a family in Amityville, New York put the Warrens on the map. But the truth is that, yeah, a guy murdered his entire family. It was a very real thing.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And the Warrens come in and do that rude thing about victims by making it this like spooky ooky story.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Well, because what happened was like the Amityville horror case is that a family was murdered in that house and then a new family moved in and then claimed to be haunted by the Defeo son who did that killing.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's all been debunked. It's all bullshit.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's all bullshit. It didn't stop a 21 year old Patrick from renting a car and driving out to see the house. I was one of the gawkers. I. And there were people coming out of the house and like this happens. We've talked about this, how they had to change the. Because I think it's like 11 Ocean Boulevard or whatever. 11 Boulevard or whatever. And they've had to like change the numbers on the street. But I'm like, we all know what that house looks like.

[Patrick Hines]

It's and it's really shitty. But the Warrens were like, oh, we can capitalize on this.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And what they were saying in this part of the movie is that they've been doing hauntings for years and years. But the Amityville one, like you said, made them famous.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So this family, thanks to their neighbor, calls the Warrens.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Now. I was like, on their landline, like, do you just, like. I guess you just call them on the.

[Patrick Hines]

The phone?

[Jillian Bathivale]

That's wild.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. So David has not yet been seen by a doctor yet. So the Warren bring their own doctor. Oh, so Ed Warren's super nice. Lorraine's super nice. The doctor's super nice.

[Jillian Bathivale]

The doctor took David aside, took his blood pressure, stuff like that. He was tested psychologically, proven to be completely normal.

[David Glatzel]

Dr. Toney never said that I was off my rocker or anything like that. He said I was a normal kid.

[Patrick Hines]

And in five minutes flat says, there's not a psychological issue at play here. This is absolutely demonic possession.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's got to be a. It's got to be a demonic possession.

[Patrick Hines]

More on screen text. The following audio was recorded between the Warrens and the Glatzels in the summer of 1980. So let's just go through this, because Judy, the mom, wants this thing dealt with, and she wants it dealt with now. She wants the. The Warrens to come in and cure everything.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Which is never good because that'll only lead to, like. Like having blinders on and bad, hasty decisions. Right. And they're. Whatever. What's interesting, though, is on the tape, Daniel isn't really that upset. And I'm thinking, like, maybe it's a kid thing. Like, all the adults are staring at you and, like, you're the problem. Cause you're the one possessed by the demon. And, like. And he's like, yeah, I don't know. He wants my soul. Like, whatever. Leave me alone. Like, he's not.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I'm like, he's not doing it for the back row yet. You know what I mean? He's not doing it for the audience.

[Patrick Hines]

So Ed and Lorraine Warren need to see this demon for themselves. That's how they work, right? So they use what they call religious provocation to see if this case is worth their time. No demon, no warrants. Their demon. Pixar didn't happen.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Demon art didn't happen.

[Patrick Hines]

They're walking. So Ed is going to provoke the demon, and he wants to see, quote, physical manifestations occurring, right? So Ed's like, all right, you son of a bitch. Like, like, show Yourself, he says, prove.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It by banging on the table three times.

[Patrick Hines]

And suddenly, bang, bang, bang, bang.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It sounded like someone took a sledgehammer and started to try and break their way through the kitchen floor. The entire kitchen started to shake. The lights are flickering. Everybody felt it.

[Patrick Hines]

There are three bangs as if something was trying to come through the door. Now that we don't have audio of.

[Jillian Bathivale]

How this is what I do not understand. We hear the entire conversation leading up to this. Then all hell breaks loose. And we don't hear any of the audio.

[Patrick Hines]

We just weirdly don't have audio of this major thing that Ed Warren really, really, really needs to see in here before he moves forward.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like the opposite of the Jesse Misskelley Falls confession. We don't hear the 12 hours of them coaching him, and we just hear the last 45 minutes of them coaching him.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But what about those other 12 hours?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

It's like, oh, you weirdly don't have that. That's how I feel about this.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And it's also like, why are we the only ones saying this? You know what I mean? Like what? Like what?

[Patrick Hines]

But apparently this thing that we've never. We don't hear.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Lorraine Warren walks over to Ed and says, there's a large, dark, evil presence by that little boy.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And suddenly that little boy, David, starts saying, he's here. He wants to hurt me. We're all gonna be punished because I'm talking to you. Right.

[Patrick Hines]

So this wasn't just like your regular run of the mill ghost. This is a demonic ent.

[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

It's a five step program, everybody.

[Patrick Hines]

Step one, permission. Yes, that's a little victim blamey to me. But you allow them in somehow. Like you do a seance or you play with a Ouija board whatever whatever. Number two, infestation. The spirits are in your house, but external to you completely. Kind of like a friendly ghost, A loved one coming to say hello. This is totally normal.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's like Jesus going to visit what's her name, Lori Valo. In the prison. You know what I mean, right?

[Patrick Hines]

If you've ever had like an experience in your house, which you and I have both had, that's infestation, which is a little. A pretty heavy word for like the friendly ghost, your loved one just coming to say hello. That doesn't seem like an infestation.

[Jillian Bathivale]

My house is suddenly infested by grandma.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, no oppression.

[Jillian Bathivale]

That's when an entity is starting to take over your free will. But you're exhibiting much darker impulses, much more negative behaviors. In incredibly rare circumstances, it moves on to complete possession.

[Patrick Hines]

And in incredibly rare cases, it progresses to complete possession. And I'm like, aren't we skipping step four?

[Jillian Bathivale]

What's step four?

[Patrick Hines]

No, possession is step four. Step five is death. Oh, because they just go through like the grand. It was confusing at first. I was like, what? The grandson is like, there are five steps, five steps. But he only talks about four.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

Give it a goo. Step five is death. But I'm like, kept that one out of your little movie. Did you Netflix?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Uh huh. Cause it doesn't have to even be death of the person who's possessed. It could be them killing somebody.

[Patrick Hines]

Now Ed Warren says that Daniel is insane. Step three, which is oppression. This is when like they start taking over in a negative way.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He's going to go talk to the Archbishop, to quote, see what we're dealing with. And I'm like, can we not have any fun without the church peeking over our shoulder?

[Jillian Bathivale]

And my whole thing is like, Ed Warren can just get the Archbishop on the phone, you know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

They're all in cahoots.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Do you believe in demonic possession?

[Patrick Hines]

I spoke to someone once who, he was a Jesuit priest, okay. Who said that he has had experiences and he cannot, he would not talk about it. He cannot talk about it. That is my only connection with it. Where this person who like, looking back, I'm like, oh, he's not the most reliable narrator, but he very much, he's not the Ed and Lorraine Warren where like they want to talk about it. He, he very much did not want to speak about it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I just like, do I believe? Like I believe in heaven, I believe in God, I pray. But do I believe in hell and the devil? I don't know. I don't think I do, no.

[Patrick Hines]

But do you believe in entities and ghosts and spirits?

[Jillian Bathivale]

All of that stuff. But like the idea of like being like demonically possessed, I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

It is interesting, like, like to sort of take the power back from horror movies that have to do with this. It's sort of like, well, if they were like all powerful and demonic, why can't they just kill you right now? Like, it's always a very slow burn with these motherfuckers. I'm like, what's that about?

[Jillian Bathivale]

I also just like don't really trust the church, you know what I mean? And it's also like, we're also going to learn that like a lot of these priests just don't want to deal with the demons anyway, right?

[Patrick Hines]

So the family starts documenting everything, like Polaroids, audio recordings. And remember it's 1980, so like they can only do so much, but I.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Feel like they could have done more, you know what I mean? Mean, like there were video cameras, you know what I Mean, like we get audio recordings, but no video. I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

But like, everyone is, quote, involved. Like, no one's sleeping. Everyone is taking turns just sitting and watching David.

[Jillian Bathivale]

That just. I was listening to that this morning as I was taking notes on this and I'm like, that sounds so fudgeing. Exhausting. Like, it's summer, everybody. Yeah, these kids can't play outside. They've got to watch David all day, all night, no one can sleep. Sounds awful.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's also like David has an audience.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Or like, either that or there's like pressure for him to perform because now, like, I'm sure his mother is like, the fucking Warrens are here. You better wake that demon up so he can make some fucking money.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So a more on screen text. The following photographs and audio recordings were made by the Glatzel family in August and September of 1980.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I'm your mother. You will be doing it. Calling his mother a douchebag, acting like he's being that.

[Patrick Hines]

Should I know your ears up a little?

[Jillian Bathivale]

I know the howling and the growling is. It's very unsettling to listen to, but it sounds so fake.

[Patrick Hines]

But here's what happens. So you will die. In the demonic voice, Judy the mom goes, who are you and what are you? And David slash the demon says, none of your business.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And immediately I'm like, that's weird. Then Judy's like, I am your mother. And I'm like, this just sounds like, like a family bickering. But when David the demon says, you're a douchebag, I went, I'm out. That's what an 11 year old boy would say. This is absolutely not.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And my question is, like, to the demon, I ask, what's the end game? If you don't want to tell the mother who you are, what's the point here? What are you trying to do?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, remember in the Exorcist, which problematic aside because, like, Linda Blair was actually very hurt, I think we did this on an after party. She really, like hurt her back, like.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And she was only like 13 or something.

[Patrick Hines]

She is excellent in that movie. Oh, my God. She is like, holy shit, she's incredible. But that movie, I think it's a great movie. It's like one of my favorite Halloween movies. But it's hard to watch because while she was writhing around on the bed, she actually really hurt herself. So those screams you hear are her in real pain. And they use the take. It's really shitty. But Father Merrin says to Father Damien he says he is a liar. The demon's a liar. He will lie to confuse us, but he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. I'm like, first of all, that's true of all toxic and manipulative people. Not just demonic entities.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Not just demonic entities.

[Patrick Hines]

But we're not getting any of that here. This is not Pazuzu we're dealing with.

[Jillian Bathivale]

With this.

[Patrick Hines]

An 11 year old kid with a lot of eyes on it. And the mother saying, you better for the. Do it for the cheap seats in the back. Warrens are here and I want some money.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Thank the Lord no one ever gave me this opportunity because I was also a young, chubby child desperate for attention.

[Patrick Hines]

Sure.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I would have been a child, the most possessed. I would have been the best possessed 11 year old. They would have written books about me.

[Patrick Hines]

Sure.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Would have made the wards a ton of money and you wouldn't have seen a dime of it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I know I missed a real opportunity here, though. You know what I mean? It's true.

[Patrick Hines]

So like David and. Or the demon is like barking and laughing. The family's praying over him. You listen to this in two seconds and you're like, this is an 11 year old boy being an 11 year old boy. There's no way. Once he said douchebag, I'm like, I'm out.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And he doesn't sound right. Because it's like the devil would be like. Right. The devil would be using real cuss words.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. It's interesting though, like we. Because we see a lot of these like, photographs. Yeah, it's. What's interesting is that I guess all of this evidence happened in the same night because it looks like everyone's wearing the same clothes in all of the evidence photos.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

Like little like demonic photo shoot.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, that's interesting. And also like, I, I obviously I think this is fake and I think the family is faking it, but I don't think they're talking about. I don't think, like, I think they all want to believe it's really happening.

[Patrick Hines]

I agree.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And they all want, like, it's. It's this.

[Patrick Hines]

They want to make Ed and Lorraine happy.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So they're sort of. Everyone's performing.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So things are getting worse and worse. David is physically and violently attacking people on a regular basis. It's Also, you're an 11 year old kid and you can get away with doing and saying anything because it's like that demon did it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Literally.

[Patrick Hines]

The devil made me do it. Give me a Break.

[Jillian Bathivale]

But people are also feeling like his mom is unsafe. Like, this is why people have to be around all. He's like, punching his mother.

[Patrick Hines]

Also, no one wants a second opinion. We saw one doctor, and it was Ed and Lorraine, Warren's best friend. The doctor they have on call, like, we're not going. We're not going to a therapist.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No, they all want this to be true. It's like every time somebody thinks their father is a zodiac, they say, like, oh, my God, that'd be so horrible. Secretly praying 100 that their dad is a zodiac.

[Patrick Hines]

Everyone except the dad. The dad is not interested in this. And in fact, we finally see a photo of him, and he's wearing a trucker hat that says, fuck off.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes. My father at this point thought David was just having a mental health issue. Thought we were all feeding into it. So he kind of just locked himself away. He was working two jobs and come home and sleep, but he's not doing anything to protect his son. This makes me crazy because the dad is 100% right here. His son is being abused.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Bathivale]

He's watching it happen, and he's not stepping in to stop it.

[Patrick Hines]

So he, like, disassociates.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's not involved in any of it. Now the rest of the family is on team possession. Yes, it is, for sure. Demonic possession. Nothing will change their minds. They won't even consider another doctor. But the thing is, the only way to stop this is an exorcism.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I mean, like, that is just so extreme. An exorcism.

[Patrick Hines]

What's more extreme is that Ed Warren calls himself in Lorraine. The supernatural police department. We need to stop. But they have to bring the culprits up to headquarters, which is the church.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I mean, like. And then Brother Allen goes. The. The church doesn't just give out exorcisms like candy. I didn't realize the amount of paperwork you need to get an exorcism.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a shit ton of paperwork to get an exorc. It's like, here we are again. The church taking all the fun out of all of this.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I know. Our own exorcism that the church get that Ouija board. Have you seen that TikTok of the dad downstairs? He's like. And like the in video text is like, my daughter and five of her friends are upstairs playing with the Ouija board. And he turns the breaker off so the lights go.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm going to be that with the Ouija board. That's what you hope for now.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Are you okay? With Ouija boards, are we inviting spirits in?

[Patrick Hines]

I. I am. I don't really do the Ouija board. I did when I was a kid, like everyone did at a sleepover or whatever, but I'm a little more. No, I don't do the Ouija board thing. I don't necessarily think that it's gonna invite people in, but I do think you have to be careful about that.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. Yeah. God, do we believe in this or not? Yeah, I guess we do.

[Patrick Hines]

Wow.

[Jillian Bathivale]

We meet Father Maximos.

[Patrick Hines]

He's here to. Like, it's weird. Cause he's here to tell us how hard it is to get approval. But then it doesn't really. Like, once we learn that this family gets approval, I'm like, it's not that hard to get approval. No.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And like Father Maximos, we'll learn more about in a second. But he's. He's the one who tells us that, like, it's kind of hard to get the approval because priests don't want to deal with the devil. You think that the priests go into this line of work hoping that. That one day they're going to bring in that shitty kid, that they're going to get to exercise? And, like, I mean, isn't the whole point of being a priest to beat the devil? Like, isn't that the whole idea?

[Patrick Hines]

I could make some horribly dark jokes right now and I won't, but I. No, I mean, I think. I don't know if that's the point. If you go into, like, the priesthood or whatever.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I don't know if you're going to do it and you're presented with the opportunity to encounter the dev and win. Like, can you think of a better day of your job?

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, I think that's like the ultimate. But I think you kind of go in. I would assume. I've never had the drive to do it, but, like, that's like, oh, my. I mean, wouldn't that be crazy? You know?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Like, I think that they don't want to do it. They just. They don't want it. They don't want to tussle with the devil.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, Father Maximus is a Russian Orthodox priest, but he's here to tell us about the Roman Catholic Church and their approval process. So I'm like, okay, well, because he.

[Jillian Bathivale]

The whole idea with this guy is that he worked with the Warrens.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, that's the thing. The only doctor they have is their best friend. The only priest that'll talk is their best friend. Like, come on, everyone's on the take.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Here because Father Maximos wanted to, like, look. He was the one who wanted to look evil in the face. He wanted to know if evil was really real, Right?

[Patrick Hines]

So they get some cardinal to show up for the exorcism party.

[Jillian Bathivale]

A cardinal from the Catholic Church showed up. They dressed completely in red. And he also drove a red Porsche. In a fucking Porsche. And I was like, how about that vow of poverty, Father?

[Patrick Hines]

It's a red Porsche. Dressed in red. Are they dressed in red because of the cardinal? Like the bird?

[Jillian Bathivale]

I don't know. I was. I was a Catholic for a long time. And I was an altar boy, which I loved, by the way. I love because it's theater. Like, you get to, like, be on the altar with the Father and, like, shake the bells and all that. I mean, the one I will never forget, the one time I was doing mass with Father Healy and I was on the altar and I was so in a lustful moment thinking about, are you ready for this Kirk Cameron? That I missed my cue.

[Patrick Hines]

The irony. I was himself and you.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I know, but hates me. But he still looks great. But I. I was thinking about Kirk Cameron. There was, like, a scene in Growing Pains. This was age appropriate because I was, like, 11 and, like, Kirk Cameron had taken his shirt off. And I was just lost in thought about it.

[Patrick Hines]

Was that the Leonardo DiCaprio years?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Probably. And I missed my moment to shake the bells. And Father Healy, he was daydreaming. He was mad.

[Patrick Hines]

Father Healy, lighten up. Worry about the other issues going on. I know with the alter voice.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I loved Father Healy. He was a gingerbread. He was great.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

Well, yeah.

[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

It really does.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, we love them so much. So September 2, 1980, the church approves a quote, minor exorcism.

[Jillian Bathivale]

What does that mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I looked it up. If you've been to a baptism, you've been to a minor exorcism.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No way.

[Patrick Hines]

Prayer here, a prayer there. May the force be. What are they? May the.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No, it's may the force be with you.

[Patrick Hines]

May the what be with you?

[Jillian Bathivale]

May peace be with you.

[Patrick Hines]

Peace be with you. And with you. All that, like, bada bing, bada boom, we're out.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Wait, we have to shake hands. May the peace be with you. And also.

[Patrick Hines]

And then sometimes, I mean, don't people just go, like, don't they just do the nice nod? We're not all shaking hands still.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right, but you're supposed to shake hands. You're supposed to, like, make contact and shake hands.

[Patrick Hines]

Don't tell me what to do. Our church.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I'm just saying the church, that's what Jesus wants.

[Patrick Hines]

And is that before or after they pass the basket around for all the money they want you to get?

[Jillian Bathivale]

That's probably after. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, it's a really great movie, everyone. Now that we're talking about at Spotlight, you should watch the movie Spotlight. That is based on a true story and some real shit that is true the most. Like, oh, my God. Part of that movie is right at the end because they do, like, on screen text.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh, right.

[Patrick Hines]

And then it's like, sexual abuse cases have been uncovered in the following places. And it's like five pages.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

All over the world. And you're like, that hits hard.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, this is its own kind of abuse. Like, this is truly its own kind of abuse.

[Patrick Hines]

For sure. Because now, like, sorry for that detour. But watch Spotlight. And I feel very, very, very strongly about that. Just that whole situation. Anyway, so this has to be done in a church. This Little half exorcism.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And even though it's a half exorcism, the priest warns the family that these exorcisms can be so intense. Person can actually die.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So the Warrens are like, we're in. So they basically just, like, do a mass.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Then the room is suddenly ice cold, which everyone knows, like, that means that you're in the presence of.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Was it. I want to hear everybody say suddenly. We could see our breath. We only hear that from Brother Allen. It's like everybody had this shared experience, but we're only hearing it from one person.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. You know, we're not hearing it from Carl, the brother who is here.

[Jillian Bathivale]

We're not hearing if we're Carl's in the documentary. Not very much yet. And you'll find out. Right.

[Patrick Hines]

So then suddenly, like, the demon takes center stage. David is hissing and growling, calling the priest names, like, trying to attack the priest. They're holding him down. At one point, we're told, David's tongue swells up and he can't breathe.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I. Well, this is why they die. You're probably choking him because everyone's holding him down. Arie had taken the crucifix, placed it on his forehead. He's on your hip. You could see it sizzle. You can quote, see it sizzle.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jillian Bathivale]

No, that didn't happen.

[Patrick Hines]

But now this is when everything changes. Because the scene that's being described is that everything is coming to a fever pitch.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

David is clearly being taken over by this evil, evil, evil demonic spirit.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Something needs to be done. The Warrens aren't doing shit. The priest isn't doing anything. Like, it's just. It's really bad. Like, he's gonna die.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Regular Rayn's over there being like, this one's getting a little out of hand, Ed, what do we do?

[Patrick Hines]

She's probably like, the movie's gonna be so good.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Totally so good.

[Patrick Hines]

We're gonna make so much money. So it's like. It's bad. So, like, he's about to die. David's about to die.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

This is when Arnie, the boyfriend, stands up. Arnie is dating Debbie, the sister. They moved into the house together. The house is what started all of this, where David first saw the demon.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Now Arnie's been with the family the whole time. He's been here talking to us the entire time?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Arnie, the boyfriend stands up. Arnie, this is your time to shine. Says to the demon, like, don't fuck.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Us on this, Arnie.

[Patrick Hines]

He's just But a child. Leave him. Take me.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Arnie invites the demon into him as a way to save David the 11th. The demon's like, I'm RSVPing yes to this invitation. Leaving the boy. Now, according to Arnie, he goes, I felt a coldness come over me like ice cold. Once again, no audio of any of this.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Of any of it.

[Patrick Hines]

Not the invitation, not any of it, no.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And meanwhile, like. And also everyone else in the room, their face all falls because everyone knows, the priest knows, the Warrens knows and goes, you can't do this. You don't challenged any kind of demonic entity ever. We didn't know any better. He thought he was just trying to help David. I remember my grandfather saying to him, you shouldn't say that. That just opens a door for you to be attacked. And he was right. You do not take on the devil. You do not confront the devil in such a manner.

[Patrick Hines]

The demon jumped out of David into Arnie. Now David's fine, Arnie's cold, but he's all right. And it's not like demon went from being at 100 inside David to at 100 inside Arnie. He's just like, there now.

[Jillian Bathivale]

This is all so gay, like.

[Patrick Hines]

And David's like super happy because he's free of this demon.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Everyone is relieved until they're not, right? Because Glen Cooper, CT detective is here and he's like, I heard about some strange shit going on going down over at the Glatzel house.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No, he hears that there's like, possessions and all. The only reason he knows about this is because of the neighbors new noise complaints. Like, these fucking possessions are loud, right? And like people are throwing over tables all night long. Like, imagine living next door to this nonsense.

[Patrick Hines]

And the Warrens get ahead of it. Cause Ed and Lorraine Warren head down to the police station. And Ed's like, I'm a famous demonologist. And Lorraine's like, and I'm a noted psychic.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I mean, he introduces himself to the cops as a demonologist.

[Patrick Hines]

And the cops were like, what?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Uh huh, uh huh, uh huh, uh huh.

[Patrick Hines]

Like in. What do they say? Like in Home Alone, where it's like, oh, we got a live one, we got a hyper on two. That you're like, what? So like, they say they're there to tell the police that Arne Johnson invited the devil into himself in an effort to save David. And I'm like, we're going to law enforcement now. I know you hate it outside.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Well, because they're trying to say, like, someone's gonna die. Like Lorraine is saying, as a psychic, I can tell you with authorities somebody's gonna die.

[Patrick Hines]

And she does like in the conjuring too, which I know it's a movie. I am just saying like what they want everyone to think is that she like sees what's about to happen and she can warn Ed to be like, we gotta get outta here now because what is Bathsheba or whatever the scary witch in the conjugate.

[Jillian Bathivale]

The witch. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Is like gonna like, she sees. She has visions, right?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So Lorraine sees.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Hashtag justiceforbethsheba. She's like, was a real person and she's really buried in Connecticut.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And like was not a witch. You know what I mean? Like, just not a witch.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a good scary popcorn movie.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I love that show.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And Patrick Wilson is so hot.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So he's very nice.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh, is he?

[Patrick Hines]

He's very nice.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh, I'm so glad to hear that.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I have it on good authority I know someone who she. He's very nice.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Okay, good.

[Patrick Hines]

So Lorraine has a vision and she.

[David Glatzel]

Said, I see serious injury or a death with a knife. She wanted to put us on notice that a crime could occur. That she actually, I want to make it clear. She said, I see this happening as a psychic.

[Patrick Hines]

So she's warning the police that a crime is going to occur. Arne Johnson is going to commit this crime because he's possessed now and a knife is going to be involved. And guess what, everyone? That's exactly what happens.

[Jillian Bathivale]

So Arnie and Deb get an apartment and it's connected to a dog kennel. Deb becomes a dog groomer.

[Patrick Hines]

Now they are living in this house and we're learning that they're so happy and relieved that the possession is over. Arnie is willfully forgetting that the possession only stopped because he invited the devil into his own body. And I guess it's a snooze fest in there because the devil has not shown his face since.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's like this is all just reminding me of Nightmare on Elm Street Part 2, which is apparently super gay coded.

[Patrick Hines]

It's very gay.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Cause it's all like, he's inside me. He's inside me. And every time we're saying the devil inside Arnie, it's just like the five year old and me comes out.

[Patrick Hines]

So Ed and Lorraine Warren were like, how dare you? Like they screamed at him, David. The. The kid is like, finally I don't have to pretend there's a demon anymore.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So Debbie Works at the dog groomer. Her boss is Alan Bono.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And, like, it's all one compound. Like, their apartment is connected to this dog kennel where she's a groomer.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And Alan is her boss.

[Patrick Hines]

That happens all the time. Like, people are like, oh, I guess that's true.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Like, you live upstairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's February 16, 1981, five months after Arie invited the demon to live in his body. And the demon was like, yes, I'll live in body and I won't say a word about it. Because Arnie has been living his life happily.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right. That's the whole thing is that like, he's currently possessed but showing no symptoms. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

This demon was in the process of killing the 11 year old.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Arnie's like, come to me.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. And everyone was like, this is really, this is bad. And Arnie. But Arnie's fine.

[Patrick Hines]

But now for five months, everyone's been happy.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So here's what happens on February 16.

[Jillian Bathivale]

1981, according to Arnie.

[Patrick Hines]

Arnie wakes up, doesn't feel great. No, he's not feeling great.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Could it be the devil inside him.

[Patrick Hines]

Or is it same indigestion?

[Jillian Bathivale]

We don't know it's one or the other.

[Patrick Hines]

They had plans to hang out with Arnie's sisters. So Arnie and Debbie drive to go get them and they all have lunch with Alan Bono, who's Debbie's boss and friend.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Now they go to Alan's house for this lunch. So that's where they are. They're not at the house that started this whole possession business. Like, they're out at Alan.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

They have some wine with lunch. According to Arnie, Allen's getting hammered right.

[Jillian Bathivale]

In the middle of the day. He doesn't want his, like, young sisters to see this.

[Patrick Hines]

He's like, uncomfortable because I guess this guy is like drunk around his sisters. And if that was the case, like, I get it. We don't know how old his sisters are.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

The vibes are off. He wants to go. Now they start to leave Alan's house. Arnie can't remember a single thing.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Blacks out. He's walking down the stairs after lunch. Blacks out. Now my, my take on this is Arnie drank too much at lunch and got blackout drunk.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Bathivale]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Right. But we know now we're going to get a lot of information quickly and then kind of go back and dive into it. Yeah, we know that Arne Johnson, it's, it's not A question.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Arne Johnson has stabbed and killed Alan Bono.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Because sister Debbie tells the police Arnie and Allen were drinking.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

They had an argument and it quote, developed into a physical fight in the apartment.

[David Glatzel]

There was an argument and developed into a physical fight. Ended out on the front lawn of the kennel about 13, 15ft from the front door. During this fight, Arnie pulled out a knife that he had in her sheath and he repeatedly stabbed Alan Bono and.

[Patrick Hines]

Stabs Alan Bono to death on the lawn outside four times. And then Arnie runs into the woods.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Now David, the original possessee tells us.

[Patrick Hines]

The 11 year old.

[Jillian Bathivale]

11 year old Deb, the sister calls, she's crying. Before she could say anything, David, the former POS. The 11 year old has a vision of a dead person.

[Patrick Hines]

Now Debbie is scared that Arnie's going to go kill somebody else.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

She, because he like snapped, had this horrible violent episode, kills this guy and then runs into the woods with the knife. So Debbie is like warning people. She thinks she's he's going to go kill her family. Like right.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Everyone's kind of on that page. That Arnie, now possessed by the devil.

[Patrick Hines]

The devil went from zero to a thousand out of nowhere. Not a single peep after he went into Arnie's body until they're at lunch.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Every time you say he's inside him.

[Patrick Hines]

It'S just, it's like ridiculous.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

And I gotta tell you, the pre alcohol tastes good. It's a little shot. You just throw it back.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so easy.

[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Bathivale]

Good times.

[Patrick Hines]

So David, the 11 year old, is now terrified. He thinks that Arnie and the devil are coming to kill him.

[Jillian Bathivale]

He has a vision that Arnie, possessed by the devil, is coming to kill him, formerly possessed by the devil.

[Patrick Hines]

And that never happens because the ambulance driver who is taking poor Alan Bono to the hospital, sees Arne Johnson running on the side of the road, calls the cops and Arnie is arrested.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes. Now Arnie, like, he's, as he tells it, he like, comes to at the police station.

[Patrick Hines]

How convenient.

[Jillian Bathivale]

How no idea why he's there, what he's been doing. And I asked him, I said, why am I here? What's going on? What's going on? And they said, well, you just killed your friend. I said, I did not. I, I totally did not believe that. I said, you're totally wrong. Alan's fine. We left the house. He goes, no, he's dead and you killed him. The cop's like, no, he's dead and you killed him, girl. Like, he's dead and you killed him.

[Patrick Hines]

Even if you, like, even. Let's take all rationality and logistics aside for a second, right? This is still not the five steps of possession that we were just talking about earlier.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly right?

[Patrick Hines]

None of this is even a little familiar to what happened before. This is step five, right? We skip steps one through four.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly. Exactly. Just fully Possessed, out of nowhere.

[Patrick Hines]

So. And now Detective Glenn is here, and he's like, this guy didn't look possessed. He looked like he was in a fight. He didn't sound possessed, no act possessed. He just looked like a guy who just killed somebody who got into a violent fight and killed someone.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Now Arnie will say, and I'm sure it's true, he's never been in trouble before, ever in his life. He's never been like, he. He's saying, it couldn't have been me. It had to be the devil. I've never been in trouble. I've never gotten a speeding ticket. I've never been arrested.

[Patrick Hines]

Arnie's also 19 years old at the time.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

That's insane.

[Jillian Bathivale]

19. I know. And he. He's like, I went from zero to murder. Like, I never would have done that. And I'm. We're about to find out some more information.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, he's going to tell us he's possessed. And, like, miraculously, he's like, what?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right. Where am I, Father? 5, 6, 7, 8. Father Maximos is back to be like, no, no, no. This happens all the time. It's called transmigration.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. But this case is going to be known in the press as the Devil made me. The. The. The devil made Me do It case. Because that's what Arnie's defense lawyer is saying. And Martin, the defense lawyer is here today.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right. I was not a believer in the paranormal. So before I. Before I really got too much involved.

[David Glatzel]

I said I wanted to do some research.

[Jillian Bathivale]

My partner thought they were crackpots and said, listen, stay as far away from this case as you can. But I wanted to hear more.

[Patrick Hines]

Martin's like, I don't know if I did, like, a spooky road trip.

[Jillian Bathivale]

This is where I can see a little bit of myself in Martin, because I'm like, well, look, I don't. I think all this is. But if I got invited to go to any Lorraine's, like, creep museum, I would definitely.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, it's. They very famously used to be a museum. It's like Zach Bagan's favorite. I think he purchased it or something.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Did he?

[Patrick Hines]

It was like his favorite place in the world.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So they would, like. It would. They would take all of the, like, evil things or, like, where demonic entities would sort of live and, like, put them in glass cases to, like, protect the world from them. We see they're the only people who can have control over it. Because if it's in the hands of us lay people, we'd Be all be possessed.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly. But we see the actual Annabelle dol. Now, it's my understanding in the movies, the Annabelle doll is like a scary looking doll.

[Patrick Hines]

No, she looks. The real Annabelle looks nothing like her.

[Jillian Bathivale]

The real. I looked it up. The real Annabelle doll is a haunted Raggedy Anne doll. It's Raggedy Ann. And I was like, I googled Annabelle doll and like the doll from the movie comes up, but then the Wikipedia page comes up. It's a fucking haunted Raggedy Anne.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a raggedy aunt.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It is. That is delicious.

[Patrick Hines]

In the movie, in the conjuring they have. Because I think at the end it ends with like, we're sort of at their museum or at their house or whatever. And Annabelle used to be kept. I don't know the. Where everything is now. I think Zach Bagans, like, a lot of it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. But she was in like, a glass case that was like, under. Do not touch, under any circumstances. And there are these stories where, like, idiots would, like, open it and like, mess with Annabelle and then like, die in a car crash on the way home.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Are you serious?

[Patrick Hines]

There's stories. I don't know if it's real.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Do we know why the Annabelle doll is, like, where that comes from story?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. Like the.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I just, I saw that it was an actual rag, a haunted, raggedy and all. And I was like, oh, my God. Well, watch. I'm going to be found dead tomorrow morning just for making fun of her.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I'm going to hit by a bus on the way home tonight.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know where she lives now. She would. Zach Baggins.

[Jillian Bathivale]

She's going to walk around the corner of our booth in this glass. This creepy glass door. Scary, man.

[Patrick Hines]

So Martin, the defense lawyer is so charmed and so spooked by the Warrens. They make a believer out of him. He takes the case hook, line and sinker. So the devil made me do it. Defense, we learned, has been used in England three times.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Every.

[Patrick Hines]

Every time, the verdict was not guilty. Two arson cases and one rape case. Go fuck yourself, everybody.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Can you believe that?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, I can.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

100% I can.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Mike Allen is a journalist. He's like, I have to tell you, I've never seen or covered anything like this in my life.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Before or since?

[Patrick Hines]

Before or since. He's like, I, you know what? This is crazy. I'm going to focus just on facts and see where they take me.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Well, because he says it's like, really hard to prove or disprove Any of this. It's just these two fucking crackpots saying everything is haunted and give us a million dollars.

[Patrick Hines]

And then all the tapes they have are like, right before the hauntings, right?

[Jillian Bathivale]

And why does nobody call them out on it? Why does nobody say, but, girl, why can't we hear the banging on the table?

[Patrick Hines]

Because the people who would do that aren't gonna waste their time at the Warrens.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, you're right. And everybody else wants it to be true.

[Patrick Hines]

And they got famous and they're using. You know, it's. They're sort of just like, if you ignore them, maybe they'll go away.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So the Warrens give Mike the journalist these audio tapes of Arnie telling the demon to leave David and go into him. Apparently, that audio does exist. And he plays them on this news radio station that he's working at the time. So Mike the journalist is having a hard time getting people to talk about the exorcism or exorcisms in general, because the church doesn't want to talk about it. They won't answer Mike's questions about if David was levitating. And I'm like, hi, someone was murdered.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, I don't give a shit if David the 11 year old, was fake levitating.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right? Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Someone was killed in cold blood on their own front lawn.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Because Mike the journalist.

[Patrick Hines]

His point is crazy.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No, I know, but Mike the journalist is saying it would be so easy. He's talking to the people who were there and he's like, just tell me there was no levitating.

[Patrick Hines]

Which is the.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

By the way, it's the Warrens and the family that called in the Warrens because their poor little 11 year old was possessed.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And they're even. They're not talking.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And so Mike the journalist is like. They wouldn't say the levitating didn't happen. So I guess I have to believe that maybe it. You know what I mean? It's one of those things where it's like, why are we do. Why are we here? Why are we doing this?

[Patrick Hines]

But finally, finally, right on time. A little late because I could have used him earlier.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's a little late.

[Patrick Hines]

Carl, the oldest brother is here. We haven't seen him in a while.

[Jillian Bathivale]

We have not. And I just said this. This documentary finally takes an interesting left.

[Patrick Hines]

Turn because he's here to talk about what was really going on with the family. Because of course, we have not heard the whole story.

[Jillian Bathivale]

He's just saying all of this is bullshit.

[David Glatzel]

In Front of people. She tried to portray herself as a holy roller and all this other stuff, but that was not even close to reality. She didn't even go to church or any of this stuff till all this stuff broke out with David. And when Lorraine Warren stepped in the picture, that's when everybody came like, oh, we got to wear scapulars, we got to wear rosaries. And I wasn't buying it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Only when Lorraine Warren came around that she started saying, we have to be like this, like, good religious family.

[Patrick Hines]

And now before that, though, before the Warrens entered the picture, he says that his mother, quote, had an agenda and if things didn't go her way, she'd throw a tantrum. So I'm immediately hearing, like, severe mental health issues that were unaddressed.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So he. What Carl is saying is that she was kind of an opportunist for, like, drama and, yeah, everything was sort of unaddressed. He grew up in an abusive household. And now that, like, the Warrens are here, now Judy is sort of focused on that.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And Carl isn't buying any of this because Carl says, Yeah, I was 15 when my brother was supposedly possessed. Right now he's going to be really honest about what happened.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And he's saying, like, they want to play it off as the devil made me do it. He says, that is so far from the truth. I know, because I lived it.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's here to say, like, Alan Bono was murdered and no one is talking about what happened. Like, this is bullshit.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. So we go back to July 14, 1980. It's seven months before the murder of Alan Bono. And Carl, he's like a young kid and he's outside, and Ed and Lorraine show up, like, for the first time. And Carl is saying to Ed and Lorraine, my family is crazy. All of this stuff with, like, the. The screaming and the yelling and the banging, like, this is all insane. And he says that, like, what Ed and Lorraine did was they gathered the family around the table and they're like, well, if this young boy is really possessed, what he would be doing is swearing at his mother.

[Patrick Hines]

It's the false confess. They give ideas, they give suggestions, they give you a roadmap. They tell everyone what to expect from a possession so that they know they.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Know exactly what to do.

[Patrick Hines]

And now Carl is here to say, only after this, you know, the growling, grunting, screaming, name calling, that's what Edwin Lorraine are like. We should look out for that.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Only after that conversation in front of David, the possessee. Possessee, yeah. Only after that conversation, did David do any of this? He learned what to do from the warrants he was told. And it's why the devil is calling his mom a douchebag.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right, right, right.

[Patrick Hines]

That's an 11 year old that. Come on.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And it's, you know, Carl makes the very good point that like all of this stuff now we're watching David writhing around in pain and screaming and yelling and the focus was simply to document it, not to help him. You know what I mean? That like, if my brother was actually experiencing this, nobody was. Nobody cared about fixing it. They just wanted to document it. Right?

[Patrick Hines]

Now Carl tells a story because he says, like every time they were, they were over almost every day.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And it was like a performance. And when they weren't, David wasn't doing any of that.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's not like, oh my God, get over here. It's happening. The Warrens would come in and it would be like, showtime, Right? But one time, David was as the demon, really, really screaming at his mother, like horrifying things, calling her every name.

[Jillian Bathivale]

In the book and like punching her and hitting her.

[Patrick Hines]

Now the father, who is hating every second of this and doesn't believe in it.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Overhears this and storms into the room.

[David Glatzel]

You hear storms slap.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Get over there.

[David Glatzel]

Sit down. He goes, now I said to stop.

[Patrick Hines]

No more.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's got to stop.

[David Glatzel]

And sure enough, the devil sat down and was very quiet. So I'm glad. At least he listens to my father.

[Jillian Bathivale]

He says, so I'm glad. At least the devil listens to my father.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, of course, we don't condone that shit, but the point Carl is making is very clear.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes. It's so obvious that like, David is now like, oh, shit, like, you know.

[Patrick Hines]

What I mean, I'm going to be grounded.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

And the real demon doesn't do that shit. The real demon doesn't give a shit. The real demon would have hurt the father, you know, like it's a possession. It doesn't matter. You can't give me a break.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly. And so Carl tells us on the night of the murder, he's outside working with his dad. The mom comes out screaming, we've got to get down to the kennels. Something happened. Debbie is hysterical. Carl is, I think, 15 years old. He. They get over to the place where Alan Bono has been stabbed and is laying dead. Carl is the one to go over to Alan and turn him over. He sees the four stab wounds. He sees Allan gasping for air. He basically watches Alan die right there on the front yard.

[Patrick Hines]

And Carl is there to say, in the middle of all this, not a single word was uttered about possession.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Debbie, the sister, is on the record saying there was a fight.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And again, what about the five steps of this shit? Suddenly this guy snapped. Like, that's not how possession works.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

And whether you believe in it or not, I know how I sound. I'm just saying, right?

[Jillian Bathivale]

And we learn that Arnie, the murderer, was very possessive over Debbie. And we also learned that Debbie and Alan, the murderee, the victim here, either were either currently in a relationship or had previously had a relationship. Everyone is drinking. Allan and Arie get into a fight and Arnie stabs this guy to death.

[Patrick Hines]

Cuz Debbie admits to police, no, no, no, this wasn't a love triangle. I did have a relationship with Allan in the past, but that's over.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And she tries to say that the stabbing had nothing to do with this. And I'm like, debbie, girl, respectfully, it has everything to do with this. But that's the whole boyfriend was a jealous, controlling nightmare, right?

[Jillian Bathivale]

Like, Arnie would have us believe that, like his best friend Alan and he were having a casual cocktail one afternoon and the devil took him over and murdered this guy. Reason, no, this guy used to date your girlfriend. You guys are all drinking now. Who knows what was said, who knows what was done? And you killed him because you were jealous and you were hammered.

[Patrick Hines]

And Arnie also conveniently has to like, victim blame or just like talk shit about Alan because remember, he's like, oh, he was drinking and I. There were bad vibes. Like, I didn't want him to be around my younger sisters. And it's like, that's a really convenient thing to say, right? To try to take even more responsibility off yourself. You killed him.

[Jillian Bathivale]

The other guy was the drunk one, not me. I was trying to get out of there.

[Patrick Hines]

Debbie, your own wife is like, no, Everyone.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So this on screen text, like, Netflix, do better. The Demon murder trial begins October 28, 1981.

[David Glatzel]

Well, Carl tells us, I did not know that the trial was beginning. And on the first day of the trial, my parents actually gave me money just so I could basically skip school and go do what I want to do for the day. They were petrified of me getting involved in this story because how I knew this is all fabricated.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And if he got called to testify, he was gonna blow the roof off the whole thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Now the prosecution wants the maximum sentence, which is 25 to life. The trial is a circus. It's packed every day. The Warrens are loving this. It's great for business.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And it's like, who can blame them? This is the most sensational thing to ever fucking happen in this town. In Connecticut, like, someone was murdered.

[Patrick Hines]

What about Alan Bono?

[Jillian Bathivale]

I'm totally with you on that. Like, of course the victim is getting locked. But like, what did we think was gonna happen? Like, something like, the warren should not have been allowed to act like that. It's crazy. This is insane.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, the shit they got away with in plain sight is unbelievable. So the judge reads everything that's presented and stops the trial before it starts because the judge rules that, quote, demonic possession is not an acceptable defense. The fact that someone had to say that out loud is ridiculous.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And then we get five minutes of Arnie being like, but then I wasn't able to speak my truth. I was possessed by the devil. That is the truth. So now I can't even speak my own truth in court. Like Arnie believes it or is trying to pretend that he believes it to this day.

[Patrick Hines]

Because now, because they can't use any of their quotes, evidence, any of their witnesses, whatever. So to me, I'm like, this is a very clear cut case because he killed this guy.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So Arnie stabbed Alan Bono to death. End of story. Now the defense switches to self defense, right? Which doesn't make any sense based on the sheer number of stab wounds and.

[Jillian Bathivale]

What happened exactly like there. And like, and everybody knows, even the defense attorney is like, self defense is the best we got here. But we, but it doesn't make any sense.

[Patrick Hines]

And with self defense, which is manslaughter, which is a much lesser charge, but Arnie takes the stand and he goes. Which was hard since I didn't remember a single thing that happened. And I'm like, then what truth were you going to tell in the last trial, you fucking liar.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly, exactly. He was just going to get up there and say that, like the devil made me do it like that. That's, that's it, 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

So we get the verdict. November 24, 1981. Not guilty of murder in the first degree, but guilty of manslaughter and the first degree.

[Jillian Bathivale]

He gets the maximum. He gets 10 to 20 years in a maximum security prison. And like Debbie the sister has the audacity to jump up and scream at the judge. She calls the judge sick and insane, then chases him out and in front of all the photographers, like there's like a. It's, it's the, it's the COVID story for this, for the front page of the paper the next.

[Patrick Hines]

So shitty. Judy, the mother, takes this opportunity to get her 15 minutes of fame. She, quote, wanted the story to be told. I'm like, well, she learned from the best from the Warrens.

[Jillian Bathivale]

But that's what happens. Like, Ed and Lorraine take the mom to Hollywood. Fucking Dick Clark has dinner with them.

[Patrick Hines]

Like them up in a limo.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Takes them to dinner.

[Jillian Bathivale]

This is the point of the whole thing. They were trying to make another Amityville, like Ed and Lorraine Warren were trying to make another Amityville. They're telling her, your family's going to be millionaires. Let us handle everything.

[David Glatzel]

The Warren show up with paperwork. And my mom's like, should we get a lawyer? And Lorraine's like, no, dear. William Morris Agency has a whole floor of lawyers. Yes, they do, but it's not for them. It's for use.

[Jillian Bathivale]

The mom, smartly, is like, should we get an attorney? And Lorraine's like, no, girl, we got you friends here. Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

No, the parents got $4,500. The Warrens got over 80 grand.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. And they're still making money on it today from the Conjuring films.

[Patrick Hines]

Because the Conjuring movies are based on the Warrens and their characters in those movies. And like we said, the third one is called the Devil Made Me do it based on this case.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Ah.

[Patrick Hines]

So ed died in 2000. Lorraine died in 2019. Like, a while after the Conjuring movie started. So there's also, like. I know I have to mention it. There's a lot of dirt on the Warrens. Like, statements about Ed being a creep and harassing people and assaulting women and, like, proof that they're scammers and grifters. So, like, they're just not good people.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

And they really took advantage of. Cause I think, like, Judy, the mother. And we'll get into it lastly.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

What she was really doing. But I think a lot of people, like, they were just preying on scared, vulnerable people.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, or just, like, erasing the victims. Victims to make it all spooky, like Abbyville or with Alan Bono. And it's like, that is so gross.

[Jillian Bathivale]

They had an agenda in every story. They had to literally find a vulnerable family that they could tell them how to pretend to be possessed or a.

[Patrick Hines]

Family that wanted attention. Someone who's easily manipulated in some way, whether you were scared and vulnerable or you just wanted money and like. Yeah, teach me how to exaggerate.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

I'll say whatever you want.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It's kind of like the psychology of the way that Everybody just knows not to talk about how they're all faking it, but they all know they're faking it. It's crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

So Arnie was release prison in 1986, and he and Debbie remained together until she died in 2021.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And he's weirdly not possessed anymore. Like, where did the devil go?

[Patrick Hines]

So the devil just like jumped out of him.

[Jillian Bathivale]

I know he's never had, he proudly says he never had an exorcism, but he's not possessed anymore and the devil.

[Patrick Hines]

Didn'T do anything until this moment with Alan Bono, like, so he only served five years. Arie's doing just fine. We're not done yet though.

[Jillian Bathivale]

No, cuz Carl. After their mom dies, Carl and his wife are going through all of her things and they find notes. Apparently. Apparently the mom obsessively kept notes about everything.

[Patrick Hines]

Journals.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. And he finds this one that says something to the effect of like, the family all had their medicine tonight and everything was fine.

[David Glatzel]

We found out that she was putting salmonex in our food and she's been given to the whole family for quite a long time. I believe my mother used Salmonex to control all us boys and my dad.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And she was giving it to everybody, including the dad, as a way of like controlling the family.

[Patrick Hines]

And Arnie, the boyfriend.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So the kids, her husband Arnie, the boyfriend, Carl's like, my mother used the pills to control everyone. And Sominex has long lasting effects that if you're taking it for years and years on a daily basis, it will cause mood swings, it'll cause hallucinations.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Hallucinations. And so like now there's like the chance that David and Arnie both actually.

[Patrick Hines]

Were seeing things, had long term negative effects of being drugged on a regular basis.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. I mean, that is so fucked.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so fucked.

[Jillian Bathivale]

But David the son is like, my mother would never do that. She would never have drugged the family. That's not what happened. I was possessed. Haven't you been listening?

[Patrick Hines]

And like, what's better, right? If you're, if you're David and you're like, my, my mom was drugging me my whole life, or the devil was inside, I think a lot of people would be like, I was possessed for those six weeks.

[Jillian Bathivale]

And like Dave, this is his whole identity. Like, he's like, this has to be true for him. Like this, this story is his whole identity.

[Patrick Hines]

This is it. But guess what? It never happened.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It never happened.

[Patrick Hines]

Never.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Oh, girl. We did. What's it called?

[Patrick Hines]

It's called Devil on Trial.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Justice for Alan Bono. Oh, my God.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Like this documentary. We barely talk about him.

[Patrick Hines]

Like devil on trial. We barely see the trial. We barely hear about it, I think because there was really nothing to say. Like they couldn't use the devil made me do it. So then they had to shift to self defense. But it really, really sucks.

[Jillian Bathivale]

It really sucks, fam. I'm on tour. Come and see me. My next three dates are June 6th in Boston, June 23rd in St. Louis, and then June 26th for Pride Weekend in New York City. Come hang out. We're hanging at the bar after. We're having so much fun. The bar in New York especially is awesome. It's at the green, room 42. And the bar is like outside and it's like, it's really fun. It's a really fun place to do it. [e-mail] and we're on YouTube so you can watch us. Go subscribe to our YouTube channel. It really is fun.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Yeah. What are we doing next? Girl?

[Patrick Hines]

We are doing the biggest heist ever on Netflix. It was a four and a half million dollar bitcoin heist. One of the biggest heights ever conceived by two of the biggest idiots ever. Like, they want to have rap careers and trust me, should not. They're just like these, these like insufferable people who had like this four and a half million dollar cryptocurrency heist.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Great. Well, stay tuned for the trailer for that, fam. And we love you.

[Patrick Hines]

We love you. All right, Bye bye. The Department of Justice announcing the arrest of two individuals in Manhattan this morning.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Back in 2016, hackers broke into an online currency exchange, stealing 120,000 Bitcoin, which at the time was worth $70 million. But today it's worth a staggering 4 billion. Federal agents seize the tokens from digital.

[Patrick Hines]

Wallets belonging to husband and wife Ilya.

[Jillian Bathivale]

Lichtenstein and Heather Morgan. When you talk about the arrest of people involved in a 4.5 billion dollar heist, you think that the criminals behind it are going to be these serious hardened people. But in reality, the people behind this particular case, they are these wacky cringy individuals who are posting these totally insane videos on social media while they are trying to pull off this incredible crime razzle con. I'm a motherfucking bad bitch. Go on, make me a sandwich. That was cringe. That was trash.