446: Murder Under the Friday Night Lights: Game of Privileges (S1E4)

Summary

Murder Under the Friday Night Lights: Game of Privileges (S1E4) – Detailed Summary

Episode 446 of "True Crime Obsessed," titled "Murder Under the Friday Night Lights: Game of Privileges," delves deep into a harrowing true crime case set against the backdrop of a tightly-knit high school football community in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania. Released on August 7, 2025, this episode unpacks themes of racism, nepotism, and systemic corruption.

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1. Introduction to Shenandoah’s Football Obsession

The episode begins with hosts Julie Bezavali and Patrick Hines introducing their new series, "Murder Under the Friday Night Lights," a highly requested narrative exploring crimes intertwined with high school football culture.

Julie Bezavali (00:00): "I always love it when we talk about football. Well, it is one of my absolute favorite joys in life."

2. The Town of Shenandoah: A Snapshot

Shenandoah, an old coal mining town in Schuylkill County, is portrayed as a community where high school football is a unifying force. However, beneath the surface lies deep-seated racism and favoritism towards the football team.

Patrick Hines (02:18): "We are in Schuylkill county. And I know Schuylkill because I follow a really wholesome TikTok account. The Schuylkill Conservation District."

3. The Tragic Crime: Luis Ramirez’s Murder

In the summer of 2008, Luis Ramirez, a kind-hearted Mexican man and the fiancé of Crystal Dillman, is brutally beaten to death by a group of high school football players. The confrontation occurs at Line Street Park, a modest community park.

Patrick Hines (03:02): "Our victim is named Luis Ramirez."

4. The Investigation: Witnesses and Police Misconduct

The murder scene is chaotic, with multiple witnesses like Eileen and Eddie Nye calling 911. Despite clear evidence and witness testimonies, including Luis being kicked while unconscious, the investigation is severely hampered by police corruption and nepotism.

Eileen’s Frantic 911 Call (08:54): "We need an ambulance. Like, now."

Patrick Hines (12:19): "These cops are involved in relationships with the suspects, leading to a conflict of interest."

5. Trial and Judicial Failures

The trial, initially focusing on hate crime charges, reveals that the football players manipulated their testimonies with the police's inadvertent assistance. The assistant district attorney, AJ, expresses frustration over the improper handling of the case.

Patrick Hines (28:01): "The medical examiner says that it was this kick that resulted in Luis's death."

Despite substantial evidence, the teenagers receive minimal sentences, and corrupt officers escape severe punishment.

Verdict (43:08): The convicted players are sentenced to nine years for hate crimes, while Officer Jason Hayes is acquitted entirely despite clear conflicts of interest.

6. Community and Aftermath

Post-verdict, Shenandoah remains divided. While national attention brings sympathy for Luis Ramirez, the local community continues to idolize the football players, reflecting pervasive racist attitudes.

Crystal’s Heartbreaking Reflection (51:18): "I think about every Sunday when we used to take the kids out to eat breakfast. I think about how he used to play with the kids."

7. FBI Involvement and Ongoing Corruption

Federal authorities intervene, uncovering extensive police corruption. The FBI re-examines the case, leading to further indictments and highlighting the systemic issues within Shenandoah’s law enforcement.

Patrick Hines (45:41): "This means that the FBI is now re-interviewing everyone—suspects, witnesses, and the cops."

8. The Hosts’ Reflections and Insights

Throughout the episode, Julie and Patrick express their disillusionment with the justice system and the destructive impact of unchecked privilege and racism. They emphasize the importance of accountability and the dire consequences of systemic corruption.

Julie Bezavali (26:17): "These kids have been brought up to believe that they can do whatever they want, but also, the police are protecting their own within the system."

Patrick Hines (37:02): "These people think in general is just so, like, evil and shameless. No regard for human life at all."

Conclusion

"Murder Under the Friday Night Lights: Game of Privileges" offers a poignant examination of how community idolization, racism, and corruption can converge to facilitate injustice. Through meticulous recounting and insightful commentary, the episode underscores the devastating effects of systemic failures on both victims and communities.

Notable Quotes:

• Julie Bezavali (03:55): "These kids are being raised in a culture both at home and just in their town."
• Patrick Hines (27:13): "So that tells you everything you need to know, right?"
• Julie Bezavali (37:36): "Corruption on top of corruption on top of corruption."

For those unfamiliar with the case, this episode serves as a compelling narrative that not only recounts the tragic events but also invites listeners to reflect on broader societal issues.

Transcript

[Julie Bezavali]

I always love it when we talk about football. Well, it is one of my absolute favorite joys in life.

[Patrick Hines]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. Everything I know about high school football, I learned from a television show called Friday Night Live.

[Julie Bezavali]

That's right. That's a good show.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, it is. There's a lot of, like, oh, come on. Moments, but. No, it's great. But I have zero experience with this. This is all.

[Julie Bezavali]

No, me either. Oh, my God. Hi. Julie Bezavali.

[Patrick Hines]

Hello. Patrick Hines.

[Julie Bezavali]

What are we talking about today, girl?

[Patrick Hines]

Welcome to our bonus episodes. This is our ninth one of the year.

[Julie Bezavali]

Wow. How are we only.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know.

[Julie Bezavali]

We got a lot to go.

[Patrick Hines]

We have a lot to go. But I love doing these.

[Julie Bezavali]

I know. These are good.

[Patrick Hines]

So this is a new series that we're starting.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, is it? It's a new series.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a series that we haven't done as a bonus. But this is a very highly requested series. It's called Murder under the Friday Night Lights. And this episode in particular was also highly requested from our listeners.

[Julie Bezavali]

It's funny. I was making a joke about how much I love talking about football, but, like, every time I meet people, they're like, you guys have to do more sports ones. They love it when we do the sports.

[Patrick Hines]

I know this one's not.

[Julie Bezavali]

Unfortunately, this doesn't really have to do with sports. Right? You're like, did you even watch the episode? Because this does not have to do with sports. Not really. More than any other event, high school football unites our community. Everyone played football. Everyone tried playing football. We were always competitive. We were always winning. But then truth started coming out. Everything kind of went right downhil.

[Patrick Hines]

91 1, where's emergency? If you could send the cops down.

[Julie Bezavali]

To a baseball field behind the laundromat, the boys that beat them up are down there.

[Patrick Hines]

People were divided. I realized that I couldn't trust anybody.

[Julie Bezavali]

Ladies are the football players.

[Patrick Hines]

They're allowed to do whatever they want. They're just untouchable.

[Julie Bezavali]

That might be good, that be bad. But it's the way it is in Schle County. So we're in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania, where they love football. They love it there.

[Patrick Hines]

We are in Schuylkill county. And I know Schuylkill because I follow a really wholesome TikTok account. The Schuylkill Conservation District. And all these, like, little stuffed animals take you on journeys into the woods and, like.

[Julie Bezavali]

Stop it.

[Patrick Hines]

So sweet.

[Julie Bezavali]

What kind of stuffed animals?

[Patrick Hines]

Like a bat or Like. Like animals that would live in those woods and they, like, tell you about their habitat or tell you, like, don't touc this or do that.

[Julie Bezavali]

Really.

[Patrick Hines]

And wholesome and calming. So if you're looking for a calming presence, I don't know why you would. That's an account I follow.

[Julie Bezavali]

Well, they love football. There. I said love what you love. This is not my journey.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I'll get into it later, but I just. I really struggle with the adults. And the hero worship of a bunch of teenagers.

[Julie Bezavali]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I don't care.

[Julie Bezavali]

And this is not the first time we've seen it.

[Patrick Hines]

No, Crystal is here. Crystal Dillman. We will learn that she is our victim's fiance. Our victim is named Luis Ramirez. Yeah, she tells us. I've lived in Shenandoah since I was about 7 years old. Everybody got along and, like, it's a small town vibe where everybody knows everybody. It's Friday night football. Sunday is supposed to be church, and then with family.

[Julie Bezavali]

Sunday is church, then family. I was like, I'm guessing we're not going to drag brunch in Shenandoah.

[Patrick Hines]

No. And it's weird for a bunch of racists that are just going to church. And I'm like, oh, that does kind of track.

[Julie Bezavali]

I get. Yeah. Sometimes.

[Patrick Hines]

It's also a big.

[Julie Bezavali]

Not all churches, but.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, no, not all churches, but a lot of people, like, hiding behind that.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's also a big block party town.

[Julie Bezavali]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

But this is like the block party we learn about is like a carnival.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. So I said, here. They're like, people in Shenandoah love these block. Churches have them. Fire companies have them. I said, are block parties my party barges? Because I don't have any interest.

[Patrick Hines]

But this is. I.

[Julie Bezavali]

Sounds loud.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. But this is a carnival. They're like rides and games.

[Julie Bezavali]

It does seem like a block party was a cute idea that's grown and grown over the years or something.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And like, this guy Daniel is like, look, the Polish Americans always bring a good block party.

[Julie Bezavali]

I'm like, danny, they've got the pierogies and the Halewskis.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, they.

[Julie Bezavali]

Well, I was just in Pittsburgh, and first of all, Pittsburgh does Pickleburg. Are you aware of this? They were. It was like the day or two after my show, they're like, can you stay for pickleburg? I'm like, if I could move anything, I would stay for pickle burger.

[Patrick Hines]

My mouth just started watering.

[Julie Bezavali]

Pickle ice cream, Pickle vodka. They've got pickle everything. Pickle vodka.

[Patrick Hines]

What's with the pickle ice cream? Is it awesome?

[Julie Bezavali]

I don't know. I didn't get to try it. But, like, they love their pickles. But they were trying to explain to me what pierogis are. I don't really know.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, pierogies are good.

[Julie Bezavali]

Are they? Yeah, they're so delicious.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like cheese. There's not a vegetable inside.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, wonderful. I want to go to pierogi burger pickle chips.

[Patrick Hines]

I've been telling you about.

[Julie Bezavali]

Not.

[Patrick Hines]

Not pickle chips that are breaded and fried. Yes to those.

[Julie Bezavali]

But, like.

[Patrick Hines]

But potato chips that are dill pickle flavored.

[Julie Bezavali]

I want a pickle martini. Like, give me all the pickle booze. That sounds great.

[Patrick Hines]

God.

[Julie Bezavali]

I know. There was a whole thing. We're doing pickle backs for a while. Like, you do a shot of something and take, like, a pickle back.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I never got into that. Someone told me once that it was also like a diuretic that so it just like all of the negative stuff about drinking that oh, my God, does to your stomach. But I could be totally wrong about that.

[Julie Bezavali]

I saw other TikTok where it was like, when your pickle jar is empty, don't throw out the pickle juice. You. You take your string cheese and you put it into the pickle jar and let it sit for a night.

[Patrick Hines]

Let me tell you something. I have both string cheese and a jar of pickles in my fridge.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah, it wasn't as good as I was promised, but it was interesting.

[Patrick Hines]

I'll try it. And I have those pickle chips in the pantry. Like, I'm into it.

[Julie Bezavali]

I know. I love it. Thank you, Pickleburg.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

So this is literally a carnival, not a block party. But whatever you gotta say, because Daniel, he's the qb, that's quarterback carnivals, right? And he's like, there's a mix of people.

[Julie Bezavali]

There was, you know, whites, black, Mexicans, everyone was getting along, having a good time, a little fun and games, bingo, stuff like that. Booze. Booze, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, okay. But every, everyone is there. All the high school football players are there. They're all getting drunk in the woods before heading to the block party.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. So it's 10 o' clock and Daniel is going home because that's his curfew. I would love that. This kid is a curfew follower. This is also the luckiest break of his entire life. Yes, because you can't tell me he would not have participated.

[Patrick Hines]

Look. So he goes up the street, but he didn't. So we're not here to drag him 100%.

[Julie Bezavali]

But like, it's a crowd mentality thing more than anything else. So it's 10pm, he's going home. He's walking up the street. He sees a group of his fellow football buddies walking the other way towards Line street park, which they say it's not a fancy park, just two basketball courts and a swing set.

[Patrick Hines]

So Crystal, the fiance of Luis Ramirez, our victim, she says, she tells us about that day. So she and Luis spent all day together with their two kids. They were in town doing family stuff. They came home Crystal put the kids to bed. Luis goes out to meet up with his friend. Luis calls Crystal on his way home. They spoke?

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But after they hung up, Crystal had to call him back for something. We don't know what, but it's one of those things where it's like, oh, shit, I got to call him back. And by the time she did, it starts going straight to voicemail. Oh, no.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. And she's not really thinking anything of it. Remember, Crystal's, like, from this town, you know, like, bad things don't happen there.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's with a friend, and she, like, okay, whatever. She'll talk to him later.

[Julie Bezavali]

But then we cut to 11:40pm we hear an absolutely frantic 911 call. And it's just that good Samaritan who saw a kid getting beat up by a group of kids. And as the kids are running away, she ran out to, like, help him. And we meet her. Her name is Eileen. I'm absolutely obsessed with her.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. She's like, we need an ambulance. Like, now. Now she was inside. She. Because she tells us she was sitting inside. She hears what she describes as very loud screaming. She looks out the window again. Sometimes nosy neighbors are the way to be. She looks out the window, sees a crowd of people beating someone up. Also, what is wrong with you?

[Julie Bezavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, unless they're a Nazi, in which case, keep on punching who? What is it in you that makes you want to beat somebody like that?

[Julie Bezavali]

Can I tell you that I. I used to work with a young. With a woman at a restaurant who did something like this kind of happened to she.

[Patrick Hines]

Holy shit.

[Julie Bezavali]

She told this story how she was just a hate. Like, she was dating this girl on campus's boyfriend or, like, her ex boyfriend or whatever. This woman found my friend in a 711 in their college town, threw hot tea in her face, wrestled her into a car.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Julie Bezavali]

Drove her to the college campus to beat her up on the quad as, like, a crowd of 50 people circled and watched. And nobody helped her.

[Patrick Hines]

Holy shit.

[Julie Bezavali]

And I can tell you that I met other people eventually who were in the 50. Like, this really happened. And, like, I met people who didn't help her. Isn't that insane?

[Patrick Hines]

Why didn't they?

[Julie Bezavali]

I don't know. I don't know if they were afraid. I don't know if they were like, fight, fight, fight. They just wanted to. I don't. But, like, this shit is crazy. And that's what I'm saying about Daniel. Like, you seem like a good guy, but if you had been there, I doubt that you would have been the one dissenting voice.

[Patrick Hines]

All right, I was gonna save this for the end.

[Julie Bezavali]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

There's another documentary about this case called Shenandoah, which is the town that came out in 2012. It's on Vimeo. You can watch it. I watched it today. I watched it. I skimmed through it today. Cause I discovered it kind of late into my prep and then had to leave to record this. So they talked to Brian Scully, and we' get into who he is later. But they ask him about this. We're going to go through this whole entire story, and then I'll tell you what he says to the filmmaker when the filmmaker asks him some pretty direct questions.

[Julie Bezavali]

Great. Great. So Eileen is saying to us, as she's running out to help them, the crowd is running away. She hears thuds. And it was her that made the 911 call.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's so. Like, Eileen is so awesome because she goes over to Louise and she says, I knelt down to him.

[Julie Bezavali]

He's unconscious and unresponsive.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. She's like, oh, God, it was horrible. And then Crystal gets this horrible phone call. Like, Luis's best friend calls her, and he told me to get down there right away. I kept saying, why? What is going on? And he's like, he's on the ground. He won't wait. He won't wake up. And I. At first, I thought they were joking around. And he's like, no, I promise. Get down here. Get down here.

[Julie Bezavali]

They're like, no, girl, get down here.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, I just spoke to him.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So AJ The DA is here.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He's awesome. He says that Officer Jason Hayes and Lt. Bill Moyer come to the scene. I want to stop on this.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You can immediately tell that these guys suck. Do you want to know why?

[Julie Bezavali]

Why?

[Patrick Hines]

Because all the images we see of them are, like, still frames from old videos. And they're not flattering. No.

[Julie Bezavali]

They're like, with their mouths.

[Patrick Hines]

Photo of Jason Hayes. Yes. He looks like a fudgeing idiot. He's making the face people make when they're trying to make, like, an idiot face. Quinting. He's like, mouth open, like, it's not a good photo of Jason. It's a photo of something else. And Jason is in the background or to the side. And then they, like, looking like a confused derp. And then they zoom in on that. And that's the photo they're using.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

10 million times.

[Julie Bezavali]

It's absolutely true.

[Patrick Hines]

And there's a reason for this. And minute you see a photo like that, you're like, oh, bad guys. We found some more bad guys.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly, Gregory. Which is also, like, terrible news, because they're the ones responding to the scene.

[Patrick Hines]

They're the cops.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So Eileen says while she was waiting there with Luis, which I think is a very, very kind thing for her to do.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

People, like, not helping the fight. Take fucking notes.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

The cops get there, and she's like, hey, so can you expedite the ambulance?

[Julie Bezavali]

Because this guy's been lying on the ground basically dead for quite a while now.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, I made it really clear on the phone that that needed to happen, but that hasn't happened yet. And you're here now, so can you, like, pull rank and just make that happen?

[Julie Bezavali]

And we. The 911 call, she was absolutely frantic.

[Patrick Hines]

And so they didn't do anything. There's, like, no urgency here at all. Also, in case you didn't know, Luis Ramirez. Not a white guy.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So that's why this episode is called Game of Privileges.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. So Luis is taken to the hospital. Luis is in very serious condition. They're trying to do anything to save him, which included removing a portion of his skull to ease the swelling on his brain.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it's really bad because they.

[Julie Bezavali]

Were kicking him in the head.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. They beat this man to death.

[Julie Bezavali]

To death.

[Patrick Hines]

And it is absolutely. Again, what is it in you? Racism, hatred, whatever that makes you. I just can't physically understand.

[Julie Bezavali]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

Why or how you could do this to somebody.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Unless they're a Nazi, in which case.

[Julie Bezavali]

There'S a couple other people.

[Patrick Hines]

Keep it going. We should all actually just be doing some bicep curls just in case we encounter a Nazi.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah, I agree. But Crystal says that, like, she gets to the hospital, she realizes how serious serious this is. Kind of. She says Lewis survives the surgery. She goes into the recovery room to be with him. He's completely unresponsive to her. And this is where the seriousness of the situation really hits her. And she's talking to him, saying, the kids just want him to come home. Like, please, you have to live. But the doctors tell her that he's got no brain activity. They're gonna take him off life support. And she says, I felt like it was a matter of minutes. Like, he was alive a minute ago, and now he's gone.

[Patrick Hines]

They were just on the phone. He was with his friend. What happened?

[Julie Bezavali]

What happened?

[Patrick Hines]

And so she says, like, it was the hardest moment of her life. And she's, like, sitting with him and holding his hand and talking to him. And like, even though he. She says, like, he was there, but he wasn't there. But still in that moment, like, Crystal just has these last few minutes with him where she's just saying, like, we love you, and.

[Julie Bezavali]

And we never get into this. But it's like, as a parent, you think, like, she's gotta go home and tell the kids. You know, she's gotta go home and then live the rest of her life without her partner.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's not like it's a tragedy, but it's not like a freak accident where, like, he was in a car accident, there was black ice he didn't see, or, you know, like an air conditioner fell out of a. Oh, you.

[Julie Bezavali]

Know what I mean? A piano fell on his head.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, like, it's not like it's tragic, but it's not like, oh, my God, right? This. These. These teenagers beat him to death.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So can we get these sons of bitches, like, enough?

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. Daniel, the one who was, like, walking home, he says, the next day I had about 50 missed calls when I woke up and 89 million text messages. Hey, what's going on? What did you do last night? Like, this. And that couple text messages I received that morning was, hey, somebody died last night. Did you kill somebody? Did you kill somebody? Is what these other football people are saying to him.

[Patrick Hines]

Teenagers.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

We get on screen, text two days after the fight. I take issue with this wording, fight, fight.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah, totally.

[Patrick Hines]

It sounds to me like Luis was jumped and beaten to death. But fight, like, you know, man. No, no, no. So two days after Luis was killed, A.J. the lawyer learns that everyone involved was on the Shenandoah High School football team. Yeah, Derek is the quarterback, Brandon is the wide receiver. You know what? Fuck it. We're doing full names. Derek Donchak is the quarterback. Brandon Pakarski is the wide receiver. Brian Scully is the running back. Colin Walsh is the wide receiver. These are juniors and seniors in high school. They are talented athletes and total racist pieces of shit. But it's amazing how you can have the tools to, like, do great things and then waste them. Oh, completely.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God, that is so well articulated.

[Patrick Hines]

16 and 17 years old.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right. They're, like the best football players in. In high school. All of them probably have big futures.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, they have potential. They're gonna do fine for the foreseeable future. They're super privileged and they throw it away.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah, well, and not only that, everyone's gonna protect them. So we hear that even on Scene the cops are saying things like knowing that the individuals involved were a major part of the football team. Football team was gonna be impacted very severely. The guy died. So we thought they were gonna get charged with, you know, a murder charge or something like that. We heard that after Ramirez died, one of the responding police officers said, there.

[Patrick Hines]

Goes the football season. They go, there goes the football season.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Which is horrifying. But I also think, and I'm gonna say it again, like, it's weird for grown ass adults to care this much about high school football.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And maybe it's because, I don't know, like I, but I even watching Friday Night Lights, like I'm, I'm, I don't mean to make a joke about it, but it's kind of like, wow, the boosters are super invested. I know it's your alma mater. Like, there's part of me that's like, it's part of like the, the community of the town.

[Julie Bezavali]

But it's, it's what you were saying earlier, them being so invested is weird because it gives these kids a position of celebrity, a position of above the law.

[Patrick Hines]

They're 16 years old.

[Julie Bezavali]

They're 16 year old kids who literally know they can beat a guy to death in the middle of the, in the middle of a park and they're not going to get in trouble.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julie Bezavali]

Like they, they did it because they knew they could.

[Patrick Hines]

And we see like in the documentary that I'll tell you about later, like a lot of the townspeople.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And there's these like 60 year old men obsessed with like 16 year old old football players.

[Julie Bezavali]

But I mean, there's a reason why things like this don't happen everywhere. It happens in a place like this by these people because they are told they can do anything. They are untouchable.

[Patrick Hines]

I also feel so I agree with.

[Julie Bezavali]

You, like, it is like, it is like parents, your responsibility is to raise good people.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julie Bezavali]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I also kind of feel this way about Cobra Kai. Like these old men care way too much about the after school martial arts program.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, is that that show?

[Patrick Hines]

It's Machio. It's the Karate Kid. It's like, and I'm not talking to you Macho, I'm talking about the bad guys. Even the guys who are bad. Not Macho.

[Julie Bezavali]

Never you. Not you, never Macho.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like, it's the after school martial arts program.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes. Somebody. Who was I talking to? Who the other day was like, Jillian's. Macho is good. It's really good.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

I shot the clerk. I shot the.

[Patrick Hines]

Shot the clerk.

[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

So Raquel is here. I'm obsessed. She's this woman who is, like, tatted and pierced, and I love her. The first time I heard about Luis Ramirez probably was over the police Scanner.

[Patrick Hines]

In Schuylkill county, everybody has their scanners.

[Julie Bezavali]

Police will call in and, you know, they'll hear it over the radio. And that's kind of how rumors spread. I actually know people who like how police scanners were fun.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I had some friends from New Jersey and they would like, drive around and listen to the police scanner and like, then go to the local 711 and like, see who got picked up.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God. Really? Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Because you're always in a car in New Jersey.

[Julie Bezavali]

I guess that's true. You know, like, if you lived in a town full of, like, your friends from high school and you're like, I wonder what if John's going to get arrested this weekend.

[Patrick Hines]

Who were the women? Was this the lost women of Highway 20? They had their, like, their code names on the scanner.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, that was on the CB radio. Yes, those.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Julie Bezavali]

They're like, there's a whole. A lot. A lot of like, like long haul truckers have love podcasts, but also the CB radio because they can, like, chat with. Yes. It was the lost women.

[Patrick Hines]

Those badass women. And then that fucking creep was can occum and be creepy. And they were like, no, totally some stupid man. Like ruining the girlhood of it all of being like, hey. And they had their cute little names anyway.

[Julie Bezavali]

Come on.

[Patrick Hines]

So Luis Ramirez was born in Mexico. He was kind, he was funny. Crystal says he tried to let everything just flow off his back. Like he always had a big smile.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Luis is the birth father of Crystal's two youngest kids, but she also had an older daughter. And she says that Luis raised her from the time she was 2 months old.

[Julie Bezavali]

Like just an awesome fucking guy. Just like a really good guy.

[Patrick Hines]

And Crystal is very honest about this town, Shenandoah, that it's an old coal mining town. It's about one square mile, and it used to be all white, but the non white. This is 2008, by the way. Yeah, this is two. I can't. It's 2008. So more things change, the more they stay the same and get worse. Yeah, non white people are moving in.

[Julie Bezavali]

And I guess you could say there was some tension there.

[Patrick Hines]

Shendo is very big on things staying the same and with people coming in from other countries, I guess a lot of them took it as if they were kind of like taking over white people. So fucking many of you need to get a goddamn grip.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's enough already.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. And especially like living in the times that we're living in right now. It is so bad.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so Bad.

[Julie Bezavali]

And not only do you need to get a grip, but, like, you need to stand up. And we are seeing a lot of examples of it. We are seeing a lot of. A lot of, like, red communities that voted for Trump standing up and not allowing ice agents to, like, take people and throw them. Like, we really are, like, people are standing. Not enough.

[Patrick Hines]

Thanks for that now.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah, I mean, better late than never, but, like, it is. Yeah. I mean, like, we all just need to be good to each other. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

So the police didn't interview the football players right away. I mean, there's a game on Friday. Of course they didn't.

[Julie Bezavali]

But also they want to give the football players an opportunity to get their fucking story straight.

[Patrick Hines]

Because here's what happened. So there's four of them, right? So what happened was they were interviewed days after the murder, and they were interviewed one at a time, with a lot of time in between each interview, which is plenty of time to meet up and figure out stories based on who said what and when.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So let's talk about Brian Scully. He was interviewed many days after the murder. And he says, look, Luis and another guy were on swings at the park. There was, quote, a verbal exchange between Luis and the football players. Brian Scully describes Luis as, quote, irate and out of control and then attacks them. And so the football players beat him to death, quote, in self defense.

[Julie Bezavali]

And oh, and by the way, Scully says. Scully says Ramirez was the instigator, that there was no kicking. There were no racial slurs uttered during the incident. And lastly, that there. There was no alcohol imbibed by the teens that night. I know nobody asked me that, but I'm just letting you know.

[Patrick Hines]

And there was no kicking.

[Julie Bezavali]

And no kicking.

[Patrick Hines]

That's important.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, I'm like, so where is the friend that Luis was with? Like, you guys beat Louise to death, quote, in self defense. But the friend got away unscathed. Like, that's not what happened. You jumped him.

[Julie Bezavali]

It' interesting because in the reenactment, the friend is a girl. So I don't know if that's true to what it was.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julie Bezavali]

But in the reenactment, it's. It's a woman that he's on the swings with. And I don't know if that. If that plays into this or. But like, where is that friend? Like, why. Why aren't we hearing from that friend?

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And it's also like, you just jumped him.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

You saw a brown guy and you jumped him.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, that's what Happened. So everyone in town loves the team. Like, there's a big sense of community, loving, following the team. That is all fine. But when you're saying, when you start to say things like everyone looks up to them and protects them and using the word hero when it's a 16 who can like really throw and, or catch a ball.

[Julie Bezavali]

But it's. This is again, like, this is why this happened. These kids, a, they're living in a town where probably, like, their parents are racist and don't like the influx of non white people.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Julie Bezavali]

And they hear them talk, so they feel emboldened when they see one to, to do something about it. They think not only are their parents going to support them, but the town's going to support. They're going to be heroes.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, because Eileen, our witness and 911 caller, and she's the one who stayed with Luis, she said she was like.

[Julie Bezavali]

Everyone kept on saying, oh, it was.

[Patrick Hines]

Just a fight, gone back and saying.

[Julie Bezavali]

Well, he didn't belong here, you know, and if he wasn't here, he wouldn't be dead today. That's exactly what they were saying.

[Patrick Hines]

Luis didn't belong here in the first place.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So if he wasn't here, he wouldn't be dead today. Which is just like, holy shit. So, like, that tells you everything you need to know, right? Like, because. And one of the quotes is like, well, he was an illegal immigrant. And I'm like, why does that matter?

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't give a shit if he's documented or not. Why on earth does this mean, like, well, like, he had it coming for four teenagers to beat him to death. Like, what is wrong with you?

[Julie Bezavali]

No, and it just shows you that these kids are being raised in a culture both at home and just in their town. Like I've been saying, to know they can get away with anything, but also that they should do something like this. That it's their responsibility to do something.

[Patrick Hines]

Like this because he's, quote, not from here and because he's not white. Actually, if you're interested in rights that you or someone else has as an immigrant, there are resources for you. You can go to immigrantjustice.org or ilrc.org which is the Immigrant Legal Resource Center. I'm just saying in case that's something that appeals to you and you'd like to donate, pass that resource along. There you go. So we're back with fiance Crystal, and she's like, yeah, I didn't know who any of those football players are because I'm an adult. She literally. She's like, they were way younger than me. Like, that was she. That was like, not her scene.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. But we also learned, too, that there were multiple witnesses. I thought it was just like Eileen, but there were multiple witnesses.

[Patrick Hines]

Multiple.

[Julie Bezavali]

And there were multiple 911 calls. And you know, AJ the assistant district attorney is saying that the investigation showed that what the players were saying about the no racial slurs and no alcohol was clearly not true. And that the players versions of event does not align line with what these unbiased witnesses saw.

[Patrick Hines]

Especially the no kicking.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

The boys were like. And there was definitely no kicking. Kicking. There's no kicking at all.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

These multiple 911 calls, people are calling because of the kicking.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

They like, oh, someone's getting beaten up. But they were like, oh, this man is on the ground. And they're kicking him over and over again.

[Julie Bezavali]

And they're saying it's like six on one. Like, they are beating this person to death.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, all the witnesses describe in great detail that Luis was on the ground.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And these athletes who can kick, by the way.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes, of course. That's what they do.

[Patrick Hines]

Kicking him.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

But this is important because there was one final kick, and they were about to leave at that point, it's over. And a football player, in what was described variously as like a soccer type kick or a football punt, came up.

[Julie Bezavali]

And kicked Ramirez in the head as hard as he. As hard as he could.

[Patrick Hines]

Quote, a soccer kick or a football punt.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The medical examiner says that it was this kick that resulted in Luis's death.

[Julie Bezavali]

And not just that they were about to. They were walking away, and whoever the kicker was came back to do it.

[Patrick Hines]

Because this kick came when Lis was on the ground motionless, which is just definitively not self defense.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

So that is violence for the sake of violence. And the. And A.J. the lawyer is like, oh, that shows malice, which means this is murder.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. And like, just like, to put a human face on it, we go back to Crystal, and she's like, when I found out how Louis died, I had nightmares. And she's like, I struggle with it to this day. This was 2005. Eight.

[Patrick Hines]

Right, right. Everything about it. Everything about it. So the thing is, like, okay, so which one of the kids did this? Like, they all beat him up, but who delivered that final fatal kick?

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So Ariel Garcia is a witness, and she wrote a written statement to the police that whoever kicked Luis in the head while he was on the ground was wearing, quote, blue shoes.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Eddie Nye. Remember Eddie Nye. Because he's going to come back. He's a witness on his 911 call. He said that the teens were running towards the park. And he said, says, send the cops down to the baseball field behind the Laundromat. Like, that's where the boys are.

[Julie Bezavali]

And they're cornered. You'll get. You'll pick them. Because remember, the players were not interviewed until, like, a long time after this. And it was also haphazard and like, the cops would say, like, well, we didn't know where they were, but they were told where they were.

[Patrick Hines]

And Eddie Nye says, we got them cornered. They're not going anywhere.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And then eventually the kids just, like, ran or whatever because the cops never showed up.

[Julie Bezavali]

And Eileen again, she's our witness who came running out to be with Lewis. She's saying there was no urgency from the officers. There was no lights and sirens. And. And she too says, if you go down by the baseball field, you'll catch all of them. They ran over there. That's where they are right now. And she's just watching the cops sit there, not helping Louis and not trying to catch the killers.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. One of the cops who was just like, ah, just wait here, Whatever. Turns out Jason Hayes, the idiot from the picture, Detective fucking doofus, he was.

[Julie Bezavali]

A de facto stepfather of one of the suspects, Brandon Pacific. Officer Hayes was involved in a relationship with Brandon Pekarski's mother. And then we learned that the suspects had a really good relationship with Officer Moyer. They had known him for years because they played football with Officer Moyer's son. Of course the cops are gonna have good relationships with the, like, the local hero football players.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, his son, Bill Moyer's son is on the football team.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

And so, but again, this guy, Jason Hayes, the doofus from the picture, again, like the stupidest. He is the de facto stepfather of the fancy quarterback.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

This is incredibly important.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a conflict of interest.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's racism and nepotism. Perfect.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So the DA's office learned that the night of the murder, the cops spoke to all of the suspects together at one of the suspect's homes. And that suspect is the star quarterback.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. And like the ada, to put a fine point on it, he's saying, like, he's blown away by just how improper this is. Like, even we are not lawyers or cops. But we know you separate everybody you get, because otherwise they all have time to put their story together. And that's exactly what they're doing.

[Patrick Hines]

You bring them down to the station. You don't have a. Because the next day there's another meeting with all the cops. And all of the families, like the.

[Julie Bezavali]

Parents and the kids, are literally getting together to put their story together.

[Patrick Hines]

And this time, guess whose house they're at? It's the suspect whose mother is dating the idiot cop.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Give me a break.

[Julie Bezavali]

But every. They're doing it in plain sight. Because everybody thinks they're gonna get away with it. Everyone's like, nobody wants to put these kids in jail. Nobody cares about the Mexican guy. We just got no way.

[Patrick Hines]

Because eventually we lear that. They're like the teenagers. And their parents are all terrified about how badly Luis is doing in the hospital. Not because they're sad for Luis and his family. Not because they have any conscience about what happened. Because of what it would mean if he dies.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So they're trying to come up with a plan to avoid any repercussions for what they did.

[Julie Bezavali]

And this is where they come up with the story that Louis instigated the fight. There was no boos, no slurs, no kicking. They're all just putting it together. And I truly believe that none of them think that anybody's gonna question the story. Cuz they've got the cops. They've got the cops who are gonna be taking their statements.

[Patrick Hines]

And remember, this is happen a responding officer's girlfriend's house.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Just to be clear, like, it can't get any worse. It cannot be overstated how fucked up that is.

[Julie Bezavali]

And the DA Is saying they could have filed charges that night.

[Patrick Hines]

They didn't do that.

[Julie Bezavali]

And they let these boys have multiple opportunities to try and coordinate their story. Intentionally left the boys to coordinate their story.

[Patrick Hines]

And the D. A. Is trying to work with the cops on this. And they're being stonewalled. Travel down the road. Back again, girl.

[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

So the district attorney's got to get the police reports. It takes three weeks for the police reports to materialize. And they're shocked when they finally get them, because remember Ariel Garcia? She's the one who identified Brian Scully as the individual who threw that fatal kick. Because everyone is saying, we don't know. There was no kicking. Somebody saw it. Somebody identified it. And it's been in this police report for at least three weeks.

[Patrick Hines]

But we learn that's actually not true. It wasn't Brian Scully. It was Brandon Pakarski, who, by the way, is the cop's girlfriend's kid.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

The responding officer's girlfriend's kid is the one who actually delivered the fatal blow. Because I'm just going to break this down also. They just keep using those horrible pictures of the cops. So.

[Julie Bezavali]

Good.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I see what you're doing. I love and appreciate it.

[Julie Bezavali]

Thank you.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank you. So Brandon Bukarski is the kid of the woman who's dating the cop. Right. So he is, like, the most Privileged. Out of all the kids.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

One of the other kids, like, his family is rich and really big in the community, and the other kid is. Whatever. So Brian Scully is the most vulnerable of the privileged white kids, regarded as gods and heroes in this town.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So the cops are going to try to pin it all on Brian, but.

[Julie Bezavali]

He is also named. Like, Brian is like, Ariel must have gotten it wrong because he is also named. But yes, they are saying. And this actually works against. Against the cops, because the day they bring in Brian Scully, and they're like, they're trying to make you take the fall for this so you have an opportunity here to flip. They need somebody on the inside to say, there were racial slurs. We had been drinking, he didn't start the fight, and we were kicking.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Julie Bezavali]

And they're like, be the hero, because otherwise you're going down for this.

[Patrick Hines]

I also just want to say, like, everything about how these people think in general is just so, like, evil and shameless. Like, no regard for human life at all. Like, oh, like a Mexican died. Well, he shouldn't have been here anyway, right? Or, like, make Brian the scapegoat for no accountability. And is a single adult in the room appalled that this happened?

[Julie Bezavali]

I don't think so. And. And in addition to that, they had.

[Patrick Hines]

Protests and shirts made up.

[Julie Bezavali]

Free the boys, something like that. They had a pretty good support system behind them. People wanted to push past, and they wanted to see us still play football. We wanted to see the year go on.

[Patrick Hines]

Is anyone scared that their sons are capable of this behavior?

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Does anyone give a shit? And maybe try to get ahead, like, even in the most cynical way, to be like, we gotta get you help.

[Julie Bezavali]

But this is what I'm saying. I. I say this all the time on this podcast, that if Daisy was one of these kids, I'd be like, you fucking tell me what happened, and we are going down to the car. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Because maybe the kids are just acting out what they hear at the dinner.

[Julie Bezavali]

Table every night, but the thing about it is that it's corruption on top of corruption on top of corruption, because these kids have been brought up to believe that they can do whatever they want, right? But also, the police are protecting their own kids within the system, right? So, you know what I mean? Even if there was one of the kids who could do the right thing, they still can't go to the cops because the cops are gonna protect their own within the program, which is exactly what's happening, right?

[Patrick Hines]

So they get. They're Trying to pin it all on Brian scull, who was 100% there and beating this guy, like, no question. But he's the least privileged of all the privileged kids.

[Julie Bezavali]

I just want to point out, like, maybe, like, there's a Mafia parallel here or something. Like, this is why corruption doesn't work, because it's not like there's the people doing the corruption over here and everybody else. There's corruption within corruption within corruption. So nobody. You're never guaranteed to be the winner when you're doing the wrong thing on purpose.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, I was like, corruption works all the time, girl.

[Julie Bezavali]

But what I'm saying is, like, in this. Like, in this instance in particular, the kids who believe that they live in a system where they can do no wrong, of course, are still going to one of them, still going to be the fall guy. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, yeah. It's like they, like, you end up dead and it's your best friend who did it. Like, you can't trust anybody.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, Brian Scully was like, oh, I'm cool because I'm besties with the guy whose mom is dating the cop. But, like, no, Brian, you're not, because you're the lowest. You're the weakest link or whatever. So there you go. But anyway, Brian gets a lawyer, and his lawyer's like, girl, you got to talk to the cops.

[Julie Bezavali]

Because Brian walks out of the car, he's like, fudge you if you don't believe me. I'm fucking out of here. The lawyer calls back in 20 minutes. We'd actually love to talk. We've got a story to tell.

[Patrick Hines]

Especially because the lawyer is like, look, if we can. That the cops are framing you.

[Julie Bezavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, it's a weird thing to say because he was absolutely part of this murder. Like, this is very layered. But I think the lawyer's like, I could probably get you a deal if we can uncover police corruption in this town.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes, yes. And honestly get the guy who did the fatal kick. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Even though Brian was 1000% part of.

[Julie Bezavali]

The killing total, and it's like, none of them are any less culpable in my eyes than any of them, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, like, Brian Scully is the kid who's at the center of the documentary from 2012, and he's the quote I'm going to tell you about later because it's kind of unbelievable. Yeah, so he says. Bryan says, all right, you want the truth? I'll tell you the truth. We were all antagonizing Luis Ramirez. We Were screaming at him. This is America. Go back to Mexico. Also, this is 2008, by the way.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He admits that Luis was being kicked while he was on the ground. He admits it was not self defense. And the only other teenager that'll talk to the cops is Colin Walsh.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's like not the kid whose mom is dating the cop. He's not the rich kid whose family has a lot of pull. He's again like the least one of the other, like lower privileged of the privileged kids.

[Julie Bezavali]

And he's the one who threw the first punch. He's the one that threw the punch that landed Louis on the ground in the first place.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So Colin threw the first punch. Louise is on the ground, and it was Brandon, the one whose mother is dating idiot Kyle Bakarski. Yeah, he's the one who kicked Luis when he was knocked out, Essentially killing Luis, like the fatal kick they call it. So July 25, 2008. It's two weeks after the murder. Not the fight, but the murder.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The DA's office files charges based on the truth. There was booze, it was a hate crime, There was kicking.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And even though this makes national news, like the boys were still hometown heroes, like the racism is alive and well.

[Julie Bezavali]

It was very interesting to see that, like there was national attention and sympathy for Luis Ramirez, but that back at home there was a huge divide in the community with, you know, taking sides.

[Patrick Hines]

They didn't do it.

[Julie Bezavali]

They didn't mean to. You know, it was. It was a fight. I feel like a lot of people.

[Patrick Hines]

Wanted to kind of take the boy's side.

[Julie Bezavali]

It went too far. By accident. It was.

[Patrick Hines]

Or he was undocumented anyway, so what does it matter?

[Julie Bezavali]

Boys being boys. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So I was curious what happened to that football season?

[Julie Bezavali]

Uh huh.

[Patrick Hines]

So I googled it.

[Julie Bezavali]

What did happen?

[Patrick Hines]

I found the roster.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh my God. So they even play. I mean, I guess they've got like C string.

[Patrick Hines]

I didn't think they. Well, they are like the four best players on the team is what we're told.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So. Oh my God, you're going to laugh so hard. So, because this all happened the summer of 2008.

[Julie Bezavali]

Uh huh.

[Patrick Hines]

So I found the roster from the 2008, 2009 season. None of these four guys played. The first game was played on August 29, 2008, right in the middle of all of this, Luis was murdered on July 12th.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh wow.

[Patrick Hines]

So like six weeks later, the season starts. They lost their first eight games.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

31, nothing. 28, nothing. 41 nothing, 26 nothing.

[Julie Bezavali]

They're playing all the freshmen. It's. I'm out there. They got the Patrick of their school.

[Patrick Hines]

Playing the football game like shutouts. Almost every game. They lost one game. 32, 14, I guess. Not bad, but they lost.

[Julie Bezavali]

But don't you get like seven points at a time or something? You do, you know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

But their first eight games, almost all shut outs, which, like, sucks for the kids on the team who aren't murderers.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But I am glad that all of the angry racists this, like, they're unhappy about this. So that makes me happy.

[Julie Bezavali]

I mean, I was thinking, I love knowing too, that this did fuck up all their lives. You know what I mean? Like, it's not. Not badly enough. But none of them got to go on and be football stars.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You know, I spent way too long stalking them today. So.

[Julie Bezavali]

Really? Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So April 2009, the trial starts and there is a very real concern about what this could mean for other non white people in this community.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. And not only. So we've got the town protesting the trial, and then we've got the national civil rights groups are there protesting the town.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Julie Bezavali]

Like, this is horrible.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, if the kids. This is a very dangerous precedent because this is a hate crime and a murder. So it really will show the racist that they have something to say and that they're valid and whatever. So while there are like these protests happening again, like, protesting the town, which I love, the kids are like laughing and goofing off in the courtroom. They think it's hilarious.

[Julie Bezavali]

Crystal, the fiance of Luis, is like.

[Patrick Hines]

During the trial, we had to listen to the 911 tapes and I had to listen to how serious his injuries truly were. And that was very difficult. Difficult for me. And then Brandon Bukarski and Derek Dunchock acted like they didn't. They weren't even sorry. They sat there and they giggled and they goofed off. In the middle of the trial. It seemed like nobody truly cared.

[Julie Bezavali]

It's one of those things. It's more to what you were saying before. Like, if you're the parents of the kids that are accused of murder that are laughing and giggling through the trial.

[Patrick Hines]

Aren't you terrified?

[Julie Bezavali]

Aren't you absolutely terrified?

[Patrick Hines]

Like, oh, my son's a psychopath. What do I do to help him?

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Especially because, like, the two kids on trial are Brandon and his mother is dating the responding officer, Officer Dingbat. And then Derek, his parents are rich and have pull in the town.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So they're the Most privileged of the four. They're acting like it. The other two teenagers, Brian and Colin, they testify against them. So Brian's the one who flipped. And Brian was also the one the cops were trying to pin it on. And Colin was like, co sign everything Brian said.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's a pretty quick trial. It's May 2, 2009. The verdict comes and they are not guilty on all of the serious charges. They're only guilty of simple assault. And it was an all white jury, by the way.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, really?

[Patrick Hines]

It was.

[Julie Bezavali]

And they say they got. These two. Got 18 months for killing a guy. Like, 18 months for murder, A.J.

[Patrick Hines]

The lawyer's like, oh, it was surreal. The cheering, the clapping.

[Julie Bezavali]

We see some of it. Like, we see people. We see, like spectators leaving the courtroom being like, they got it right.

[Patrick Hines]

They're like, galvanized.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Like someone was beaten to death only because he was Mexican.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, this is a fucking hate crime. These teenagers beat someone to death. Like, you're. You're a fucking crazy person too.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Someone who's like, they're like jumping down the stairs. There's so much energy. That person, like, they got it right. They got it right. Like, you're an insane person.

[Julie Bezavali]

This person has children. He was be. He was kicked in the head to.

[Patrick Hines]

Death because he was Mexican.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Unbelievable. So they got 18 months for murder, but the FBI gets wind of this and they're like, yeah, we don't think so. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Julie Bezavali]

So the FBI, Allen, he's been with us throughout and he once again we're doing a parallel investigation just like the Susan Smith case. And he said they were looking into Luis Ramirez's death, but also the police corruption.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, let's fucking go.

[Julie Bezavali]

Thank the Lord.

[Patrick Hines]

So this means that the FBI is now re interviewing everyone suspects witnesses, the racist town people, but they're also interviewing the cops.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So everyone's like, well, we're not in school anymore, Toto. Like, fucking FBI is here.

[Julie Bezavali]

What I love about this too is like they are able to tell the cops in real time incriminating shit the cops didn't know. So that guy Eddie Nye, he said that he told the cops where the killers were. And the cops were like, nobody told us. We had no idea. It is recorded on the 911 call. So just to be clear, Eddie Nye called 911. You hear him talking to 911, saying, the killers are running away. They're running away. Then the cops pull up, he's still got 911 on the phone. He's telling the responding officers, the killers are right over there. Go get them. The Shenandoah police claimed that when they reached the scene that they didn't know where the participants in the assault were. We were able to show that Eddie and I had in fact told the two officers that on duty that night where the suspects were at. Unbeknownst to the police officers, their conversation with Eddie Nye got recorded onto the 911 recording line. They didn't know that Eddie telling them was recorded on the call. And you hear the 911 officer being like, are you talking to the cops? Are you talking you are. You're talking to the cops. Okay, I'm going to get off the phone so you can talk to the cops.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Like, for some insane reason, these fucking dingbat cops didn't know that this was recorded or they didn't think that what they said would be picked up on the dispatch line.

[Julie Bezavali]

And because, remember, the cops didn't go pick up the killers even though they knew where they were. They gave them days and days and days to get together with their parents and. And them, the cops, to work out their story.

[Patrick Hines]

I also want to say these witnesses are awesome, but there's so many of them.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And you just told a story where 50 kids watched one girl beat up another girl on the quad.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

This beating was so bad that in a town full of racists, there were enough people calling.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

That this all comes down to the witnesses and what they said and how they acted. Think about that. Yeah, there's a whole fucking Kitty Genovese. Right. Witness. Witnesses don't always speak up. And these people did. That's how bad it was.

[Julie Bezavali]

And we should point out that, like, not all Shenandoah's. Right. Like, sure, A lot of them are horrified by what happened. Sure. A lot of them, I think, saw something in themselves and were. Are revolted by the racism in their town.

[Patrick Hines]

Good.

[Julie Bezavali]

You know, Good. Yeah. Like, Eileen, Eddie, you're good. You're the good ones.

[Patrick Hines]

But this gets even more fudgeing, ridiculous because the FBI plays this 911 call for Lieutenant Bill Moyer. And he's like, oh, my God, that's me.

[Julie Bezavali]

He's like, girl, that's me.

[Patrick Hines]

He's like fangirling at himself. He's like, that's my voice. How did you guys get my voice?

[Julie Bezavali]

As soon as he', like, oh, my God, that is me being told exactly where the killers are. The. And the, and the, the FBI is like, so. Right. So you knew where they went? He's like, no. He goes, yeah, unfortunately, I didn't know where they went. So he acknowledges that that's him being told where the killers are. And then, then he says to the FBI, no, I didn't know. And he just sticks to his story.

[Patrick Hines]

And they're like, well, the good thing about it being recorded is that we can play it for you as many times as you need to.

[Julie Bezavali]

You're just there lying to. You know, I'm. Well, that is me. Unfortunately, I'm not being told where the killers are.

[Patrick Hines]

And you're like, what? So FBI Allen says something that I think a lot of people need to hear. When law. Enforce the law, they're just another criminal.

[Julie Bezavali]

When you pin a badge on. You're not authorized to commit criminal activity based on the fact you're a police officer.

[Patrick Hines]

You're not authorized to commit criminal activity based on the fact that you're a police officer.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

It's amazing. We need to slow down on this.

[Julie Bezavali]

I do love here, too, that the FBI says we could have indicted Brian Picassi and Darren Donchak with the cop. We could have made this one case. But they were afraid that Luis's story would have been lost and gotten harder to tell, which would have made it less likely to. To get a conviction for the players. And so they try them separately. They try the cops and the players separately.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. But when he says that, he does a hand gesture that would make Artie Buco proud for my surprise people. He's like, so we did it separately. Artie Buco goes, can you wrap your mind around this? You know, like, can you get your arms around this one? Or he goes, yeah. He goes, expand your horizons. And then he goes, could you wrap your arms? But when he goes, so we did it separately.

[Julie Bezavali]

Did it separately.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, thank you for the arm gestures. Loving you very much.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So when they charge the teenagers, they focus on the hate crime aspect.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. Not going to retry them for the murder.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So it's October 14, 2010. They try the teenagers, and the verdict is guilty.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. And they literally get them. They are guilty of violating Louise's civil rights because that's all they could. That's all they could really try them for.

[Patrick Hines]

And Brandon Bukarski and Derek Donchak are sentenced to nine years in federal prison for this. For the hate crime.

[Julie Bezavali]

You're going to tell me how much time they actually did?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, it's. I mean, I think nine years is nothing for they beat a man tonight.

[Julie Bezavali]

No, I agree, but I'm like, I don't want to hear here. They did 18 months.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, they served, like, six years.

[Julie Bezavali]

Okay. I mean, my fucking guy.

[Patrick Hines]

Colin Walsh, testified against the other two and received a prison sentence of 55 months.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Brian Scully, the original scapegoat, I guess, pleaded guilty in juvenile court to aggravated assault and other charges. This is where it gets really fucking bad. Bill Moyer, the ones who's like, oh, my God, girl, that's me, the cop. He is convicted in federal court of lying to the FBI and sentenced to three months in prison.

[Julie Bezavali]

Three months.

[Patrick Hines]

Officer Jason Hayes, the one who was dating one of the Mothers of the kids is acquitted on all charges.

[Julie Bezavali]

It's unbelievable.

[Patrick Hines]

I was like, but how. Like, he had the biggest and clearest connection.

[Julie Bezavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't understand. I know he was dating that kid's mother. Yeah, the kid who was convicted, dating her mother.

[Julie Bezavali]

Like, holding the meeting at her house about. Let's get our story straight.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, they just. Like, this just ruined. They ruined so many lives. Like, it really negatively impacted the community, of course. Like, and. And Eileen's like, it just made all the blatant racism even worse. And then people were mad that the kids were convicted, so then the racism was really coming out.

[Julie Bezavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

And it ends with Crystal saying that. Like, I think about every Sunday when we used to take the kids out to eat breakfast. I think about how he used to play with the kids. I think about how it was to just spend time with him, to just sleep next to each other. I think about all the those things. I wish I could have them longer. She's doing the best she can. She has kids and, like, raising the.

[Julie Bezavali]

Kids without their dad all these years later.

[Patrick Hines]

And so I have updates, and they involve Crystal, too. Okay, so there's. Like I said, there's a documentary from 2012 about this case called Shenandoah. I watched it on Vimeo. Brian Scully is the focus of it. So he's the one who the cops tried to say did the fatal kick to Luis's head. Yeah, he admits. And he's like, we're in his bedroom. It's really. Again, I skimmed it quick. I watched it on, like, 2.5 speed and slowed down when I needed to. So I wasn't watching 100. I didn't, like, take notes on it.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's supposed. You know, his parents are saying, like, how horrible this has been for him. He admits he didn't see Luis as a person that night. Like, he's sitting there in his bedroom.

[Julie Bezavali]

Is he apologetic about that?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So, you know, Eileen, the witness is here. Crystal, the fiance is here. AJ the lawyer is in it. The racist townspeople people are there. But I learned that the corrupt cops were kind of clocked from the start. Like, it really showed the civil rights organizations coming. Crystal was at the helm of this as well. But, like, Crystal had to deal with a lot of shit. They're chanting, go home, Crystal. They're, like, harassing her when she's just trying to, like, make her voice heard and get justice for Luis. Like, oh, my God, they were coming for her. Like, a lot of xenophobic signs. Like, it Was you really get like, oh, no. Like, it was because it was 2012. So, like, there were still people, like, again, these, like, 70 year olds, like, smoking inside with their beer, being like. And back in my day, we didn't have racism. And I'm like, oh, but so, Brian, you're gonna love this. Brian couldn't play football, obviously. Like, none of them could play football.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So he ends up on stage starring in into the Woods.

[Julie Bezavali]

Stop it.

[Patrick Hines]

The Prince. We, like, see him singing.

[Julie Bezavali]

No. God. My whole thing here was like, can somebody go check out the drama club?

[Patrick Hines]

For five seconds, he joined it.

[Julie Bezavali]

Stop it.

[Patrick Hines]

Opening night is the night before the trial.

[Julie Bezavali]

No way.

[Patrick Hines]

Drama and drama.

[Julie Bezavali]

Be the star witness, right?

[Patrick Hines]

So this is what I was like, just wait. They ask him, the guy behind the camera, the director is like, could you have done this to a white guy? And Brian thinks about it and he says, it wouldn't have gotten that far if he was speaking English. And we can understand. When he was saying stop, he says, if it was someone we could understand and we could hear him say stop, stop. Or scream, we would have stopped. I mean, we all have hearts, but we just couldn't understand what he was saying.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

But he's really, really sorry. And I'm like, what? The actual What Br. Like, oh, my God. He literally says, but you know what?

[Julie Bezavali]

That's why we make documentaries. Let people show you who they are. That's the whole point of this.

[Patrick Hines]

We all have hearts. We all have hearts. And if we just could have understood. I'm sorry, that's is it.

[Julie Bezavali]

And what I'm saying is that he's a monster. Like, like, let him show himself to be a monster.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sorry, is it screaming in pain, the universal language? I don't understand.

[Julie Bezavali]

Sorry. That's if that's. As if saying kicking him one time was appropriate. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Right? And I kind of don't want to hear, well, you didn't watch the documentary close enough. And you. You don't. Whatever. I mean, what else is there to say?

[Julie Bezavali]

Violence is. No, this is.

[Patrick Hines]

I slowed down on this.

[Julie Bezavali]

He was beat up for being Mexican in their white town. Like, that's like full stop.

[Patrick Hines]

It wouldn't have gotten that far if he was speaking English.

[Julie Bezavali]

It's ridiculous.

[Patrick Hines]

Unfucking believable. Right?

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So other updates. Derek and Brandon, the two who were actually convicted, they're still really close.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, good for them.

[Patrick Hines]

Brandon is now married. He's a murderer. Brandon is the one who had the final fatal kick yes, he's a murderer. He was released in 2017, married in 2023. Derek's in the wedding party.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

They're all, like, perfectly fine and living their lives like they're racist, murdering losers. But, like, all things considered, they're fine. There's a photo I found from 2020. So once Derek was out, he's like a firefighter. Now there's a photo of him, but there's like a big blaze behind him. There's a photo of him in all his gear. Like, not all firefighters. Like, I get it.

[Julie Bezavali]

We all do.

[Patrick Hines]

This photo won some, like, Shenandoah photo competition.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

And it says, like, Shenandoah firefighter Derek Donch at the scene of a three alarm blaze, January 2020. And I'm like, can we vet. Can we not give an award to a. I know that, like, the photographer is not her subject. Like, I get it, right? But, like, this guy's a murderer and he looks like a hero.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So they're all, like, just fine. But the photos of the wedding party are fucking disgusting.

[Julie Bezavali]

It's why none of them will ever leave this town like that, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, I thought for sure names changed, no Moving far, far away. Of course not.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah. That jury's got blood on their hands as far as that town is concerned.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Like, I'm not. I don't dox people no matter what. Again, unless you're a Nazi, which I guess arguably.

[Julie Bezavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

These people are in so many words. But I found the photos. I found the photo of Brandon, like, when he came, when he was, like, out. Like, the first photo he posted in. The comments were like, congratulations, Best day ever. We missed you.

[Julie Bezavali]

Like, on Instagram.

[Patrick Hines]

On a social media network. Not on Instagram. He's private. On Insta.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

But on a social platform, all these photos are here. They're all tagged. They're all, like, out there living their lives.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So there we go.

[Julie Bezavali]

Girl. We did. What's it called?

[Patrick Hines]

It's called Murder under the Friday Night Lights. This is season one, episode four. It's called Game of Privileges.

[Julie Bezavali]

Oh, my God. Well, fam, we love you. Thanks for going with us on this journey. Check out the Patreon Join the Faith Facebook group. Look at our social media if you want to see, like, the funny videos. Instagram obsessed podcast on all the platforms.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And donate to some of those causes. Or like, send, like, the links I've said earlier, like, send them around if.

[Julie Bezavali]

Someone needs them and just, you know, go out in the world and be kind.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, that, too.

[Julie Bezavali]

That's what we ask.

[Patrick Hines]

Seems like a whole lot to ask today. We did Susan Smith before we did this.

[Julie Bezavali]

I know. It's been. It's been a lot today.

[Patrick Hines]

I almost dare a Nazi to cross my path today. I'm feeling punchy.

[Julie Bezavali]

I want to see punchy in all.

[Patrick Hines]

In all. In all senses of the word.

[Julie Bezavali]

I want to watch you knock out a Nazi. I think that'd be great.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what it be?

[Julie Bezavali]

That's kind of what humanity needs right now.

[Patrick Hines]

As someone said. Don't temp me, Frodo.

[Julie Bezavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Might have to find a way to do it.

[Julie Bezavali]

All right. We love you, fam.

[Patrick Hines]

We love you.

[Julie Bezavali]

Bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye.