454: Manhunt: The Murder of Emily Longley

Summary

True Crime Obsessed – Episode 454:

"Manhunt: The Murder of Emily Longley" (September 16, 2025)

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Overview

In this episode, hosts Jillian Pensavale and Patrick Hinds recap the British documentary "Manhunt: The Murder of Emily Longley," dissecting a harrowing case of intimate partner violence resulting in the murder of 17-year-old Emily Longley by her boyfriend, Elliot Turner. The trademark True Crime Obsessed blend of humor, pathos, and sharp critique is on full display as they highlight both the investigative triumphs and systemic failures of the case, always centering Emily’s story and underscoring crucial lessons about domestic violence, complicity, and the importance of speaking up.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Crime and Initial Response

[09:21–15:11]

• Emily Longley, a vibrant 17-year-old, is found dead in her boyfriend Elliot’s bed.
• The initial 999 call (the UK equivalent of 911) from Elliot’s mother is noted for its lack of urgency and emotion, which both hosts find suspicious and unsettling.
  • Jillian: “There’s no sense of urgency from the dispatcher... Different story. She’s definitely, like, pulling the story out of her.” [06:20]
• A tight mark on Emily’s neck initially appears “consistent with a necklace being too tight,” but the hosts are immediately suspicious of this explanation and of the family’s believability.
  • Patrick: “The family is making a lot of assumptions about how dumb everybody is.” [11:42]

2. Who Was Emily?

[17:08–24:43]

• Emily’s childhood was marked by chronic health challenges, but she was characteristically adventurous.
• Her family moved from England to New Zealand for her health, but eventually she returned to England to reconnect with friends and family, blossoming as she attended college and worked at Topshop.
• The hosts paint a vivid, affectionate picture of Emily, amplifying her father's and sister's memories.

3. The Relationship with Elliot Turner

[25:06–45:13]

• Emily meets Elliot Turner, a wealthy, entitled 19-year-old whose appearance belies a deeply dark personality.
• The couple’s intense, toxic relationship lasted only four months but rapidly escalated, with friends consistently describing it as “toxic” and highly abusive.
  • Patrick: “This loser comes along and the relationship gets very serious, very quickly... that train is never late.” [25:13]
• Elliot’s pattern of abuse is detailed through:
  • Voicemails where he rages at Emily or threatens violence.
  • A disturbing incident caught on CCTV where he smashes Emily’s head into a table at a bar.
  • Stalking and isolating behaviors, with Elliot manipulating Emily’s empathy (e.g., crying in cars until she leaves friends to comfort him).
• Alarmingly, both his friends and Emily’s were aware of his threats. He openly discussed wanting to kill her, and even practiced chokeholds on friends.
  • Jillian: “We need to say it as much as we can... When you have a man friend who’s acting like this, fucking step up and say something.” [36:56]

4. The Complicity of Elliot’s Parents

[52:44–63:44]

• Elliot’s mother, especially, is depicted as deeply complicit, enabling, and protecting her son’s behavior. When he texts her (the night of the murder):
  • Elliot: “I could fucking break Emily's neck and beat the fuck out of her. I'm going nuts.”
    [52:44]
  • Mother: “Don’t do anything that is inappropriate, Elliot. You are so young and you have so much life ahead of you. Love, mom. xx.” [53:08]
• After Emily’s death, both parents stall in calling emergency services, delay investigation, and retrieve evidence from the crime scene under false pretenses.
• The family is caught on police wiretaps openly confessing to destroying evidence and discussing the murder in detail:
  • Father: “My intelligence destroyed vital evidence. We’ve perverted the course of justice.” [62:18]
  • Elliot: “I've just flipped. I grabbed her. I fucking grabbed her as hard as I could... That girl has ruined my life.” [63:44]

5. Investigative Breakthroughs and Challenges

[57:26–66:13]

• Despite mountains of circumstantial evidence (texts, CCTV, witness statements, prior threats), the cause of Emily’s death is initially ruled "inconclusive" by the autopsy, prompting frustration from all.
• Police make the unusual but decisive move of bugging the Turner residence, ultimately capturing confessions and clear evidence tampering.
• Forensic evidence and expert testimony finally establish that strangulation is possible even without obvious signs.

6. The Trial and Justice

[70:38–76:14]

• The trial lays bare the horror of Elliot’s abuse, the inaction of friends, and his parents’ full complicity. Elliot is callous and remorseless in the courtroom.
• Multiple friends testify about prior threats; one even describes having a "practice murder," where Elliot rehearsed a chokehold.
  • Patrick: “When you almost die in a practice murder, can you please tell someone?” [77:28]
• Result: Elliot is convicted of murder and sentenced to life with a minimum of 16 years; both parents receive 27 months for perverting the course of justice.

7. Lessons and Warnings

[77:07–78:08]

• The episode closes on a sobering note, urging listeners to intervene, trust their instincts, and teach both children and adults to recognize and report abuse.
  • Jillian: "When your friends are dangerous and need to be reported on... can we all take care of each other, please?" [77:52]
  • Patrick: "Just do the thing. I know it's hard sometimes. I know, I get it, we're all tired. But just do it. Maybe you can save a life." [77:55]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Characteristic Sass & Empathy

• “The family is making a lot of assumptions about how dumb everybody is.” – Patrick Hines [11:42]
• "I'm like, what a weird excuse... That just doesn't feel like a defensive move." – Patrick Hines [13:37]
• "Wouldn't you give a million dollars to see the day they realized the house was bugged? It is scrumptious." – Jillian Benzavale [69:05]

Furious Critique of Complicity

• "Emily was 17. You're 19. Nothing was ruined until your psychopathic son killed Emily, their kids." – Patrick Hines [64:24]
• "This mother should be rotting in hell... She has blood on her hands enabled it." – Patrick Hines [64:56]
• "We need to say it as much as we can... step up and say something." – Jillian Benzavale [36:56]
• "When you almost die in a practice murder, can you please tell someone? Because that can also save a life." – Patrick Hines [77:28]

The Emotional Core

• "I just felt this love that I'd never felt for anything before." – Emily’s father recalling holding her at birth [03:37]
• "I know a lot of time has passed and I. I'm grateful that they're telling us her story, but it is... I just know that moment of, like, wow, you look at this thing and you're like, everything is perfect." – Jillian Benzavale [30:43]
• "Her name is Emily Longley. She was a fucking person. Your son murdered her... She deserves it. I know she does. She absolutely does." – Patrick Hines [67:15]
• "Emily’s family has to live with this forever, knowing that these parents harbored a fugitive or whatever, you know, like help their son get away with murder." – Patrick Hines [76:20]

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Key Timestamps

• Opening banter & podcast housekeeping: [00:00–02:20]
• Case Introduction & Discovery of Emily: [09:21–15:11]
• Emily’s Life and Family: [17:08–24:43]
• Emily & Elliot’s Relationship, Abuse Escalation: [25:06–45:13]
• Elliot’s Complicit Parents, Texts, and Tampering: [52:44–63:44]
• Police Wiretap & Evidence Gathering: [62:18–66:13]
• Trial and Aftermath: [70:38–76:20]
• Lessons, Reflections, Final Pleas: [77:07–78:08]

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Takeaways

• The case is a chilling, textbook example of intimate partner violence and how repeated warning signs, when ignored or enabled by those close to the perpetrator, can lead to tragedy.
• The complicity and enabling behaviors of Elliot’s parents—especially his mother—are ruthlessly critiqued by Jillian and Patrick.
• The documentary and podcast both amplify a major lesson: When you see or hear something dangerous, trust your gut and act. Reporting can save lives, even if it feels difficult or scary.
• Friends, family, and bystanders all had multiple opportunities to intervene; the hosts implore listeners not to hesitate in such situations.

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Final Words

Jillian and Patrick end with a blend of heartbreak, anger, and hope, encouraging everyone to look after each other and emphasize the importance of taking action, no matter how uncomfortable. The episode is both a tribute to Emily’s memory and a rallying cry for intervention against abuse.

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For resources or support on domestic/dating violence:
UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline or US National Domestic Violence Hotline
Call, text, or reach out—don’t wait.

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Transcript

[Jillian Benzavale]

Having a touchscreen computer has changed my life.

[Patrick Hines]

In a good way.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

I never know which.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That was a good cold open, I think.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Hi. Jillian Benzavale.

[Patrick Hines]

Hi. Patrick Hines.

[Jillian Benzavale]

How's it going, girl?

[Patrick Hines]

It's going well. I meant to tell you this. I added a new Zell person that I was paying, and as I went to pay them, a little notification popped up that was like, beware of romance scams. Do you really know this person? But no, it actually said romance scam.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God, Zell, you're doing the good work.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, but, you know, those people would be like, no, it's not. He's really on an oil rig and he loves me and he's super real.

[Jillian Benzavale]

His face is three times the size of his head, but it doesn't matter.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, but I like that about him.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But I do. It's my favorite thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Stop judging, Zell.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Thank you. What am I supposed to tell them about today before we get to it?

[Patrick Hines]

The patreon and the YouTube channel.

[Jillian Benzavale]

All right, you take the Patreon.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. We have a Patreon. We have a bunch of stuff on there. We have ad free versions of these episodes. We also do like the series, right? So we just did Amy Bradley. We're doing Mr. And Mrs. Murder.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Boy, did we ever.

[Patrick Hines]

Did. We did the hell out of it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We really did the hell out of it.

[Patrick Hines]

I think we did the hell out of it more than Netflix did.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We felt it so deeply.

[Patrick Hines]

I just hated the documentary. And there was so much in there that was like, what? I felt crazy.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know what it made me sad about is that it made me realize that some documentaries are bad. Like, it really welcome. I know. And it really made me like, oh, we can't just trust them because they're made.

[Patrick Hines]

No.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Not a single statistic in there.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I told you about how it's like, my first go at this planet, right? That some people are old souls.

[Patrick Hines]

Brand new.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Brand new. I love it here, though.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, it's fun.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I was supposed to tell them about the YouTube. Sure, fam. We're up to over 70,000 subscribers.

[Patrick Hines]

That's crazy.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I mean, it's been like three months.

[Patrick Hines]

We were just at 50.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Hi, everybody.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Our poop cruise has, like, 50,000 views. Y' all are doing up. Our friend Bradley in New Orleans, he only watches now. He doesn't even listen anymore.

[Patrick Hines]

Really.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know. It's so fun.

[Patrick Hines]

Wow.

[Jillian Benzavale]

So if you're liking the YouTube, keep doing it. If you are never going to watch us on YouTube, go subscribe. Anyway, I'm being serious.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, sure. Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Please do.

[Patrick Hines]

Solid.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The more subscribers we get, the more the algorithm shows it to people, the more we grow this community. And I like that.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, great.

[Jillian Benzavale]

So it's a true crime obsessed podcast. On the tube of you.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, great.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I just made that up.

[Patrick Hines]

Tube of you. I like it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The tube of you.

[Patrick Hines]

I like it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's the disky.

[Patrick Hines]

It's tube of it. I can get into that, I think.

[Jillian Benzavale]

All right, what are we talking about?

[Patrick Hines]

Today we are doing Manhunt. You know that series Manhunt? We did another one of these. Manhunt. The murder of Emily Longley.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Tanner's mom and dad were going to.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Do everything they could to support their son. I started to appreciate that Mrs. Turner was not being truth.

[Patrick Hines]

We had no information. There were no obvious internal or external injuries to Emily Longley.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

There didn't seem to be an obvious reason why she died. What we needed was a cause of death. We had to prove or disprove my theory that Emily had died at the hands of her boyfriend.

[Jillian Benzavale]

My intelligence destroyed vital evidence.

[Patrick Hines]

That was a confession.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

That was a startling moment within the investigation. He was exposed for what he is. Murder was the last thing on my mind.

[Patrick Hines]

Lucky snake.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Grabbed her.

[Patrick Hines]

Grabbed it as hard as I could.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

I didn't for one second think she'd be murdered.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I wanted to say, number one, this documentary is very good.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Number two, it opens with Emily. Ugh, I'm gonna sob. It opens with Emily's dad talking about the first time he ever held her.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

They gave it to me to hold. And I held her in my arm, and her head was in my palm and her feet were in the kind of crook of my elbow. Emily opened her eyes slowly, and we just sat there staring at each other. I just felt this love that I'd never felt for anything before.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Now, every parent remembers this. Now, my kid came to me through foster care, and it was a very harried moment. And I remember holding her for the first time and knowing I was supposed to feel overwhelming feelings of love. And all I could think of was like, I don't know how to feed this thing right.

[Patrick Hines]

I have to keep it alive.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I was. The love came soon thereafter. But the first moments of seeing her and holding her was like, steve's not here. I don't know what to do.

[Patrick Hines]

What if she dies? Like, I. Like, Truly, like.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like, how do you. What do you know? Like, the lady who brought her left. And I was like, I'm. Yeah. And Daisy knows this. And she teases me about it.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jillian Benzavale]

She's like, daddy, you didn't know what to do.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Can I tell you a sweet story?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Please.

[Patrick Hines]

My dad, when he held me in the hospital, the nurse came up to him and said that she could see his smile through his mask.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Now I'm going to sob.

[Patrick Hines]

Isn't that really sweet? Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my go. Yes. I mean, that is. It's so interesting that babies are brought into people's lives in different ways. Like, I didn't know my baby was coming until like 30 minutes before I got there.

[Patrick Hines]

Was there snowstorm. My dad almost didn't make it. It was like, that's. That story is like crazy.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God. That is incredible.

[Patrick Hines]

My mom was like, I wonder, like, where is he? That was like. There was no cell phone. She was like, is it just gonna be me and you here, like before I gave birth?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Your dad also smiles with his whole body. I've only met him a handful of times, but I can feel it. He came to our Broadway show and I hadn't even met him yet. I could feel a smile from the audience.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, he. He's a beamer.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, he beams. But also could that. She says to everyone, maybe it's a great line.

[Jillian Benzavale]

She never said it before or ever again.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a very sweet line that, like, is the stuff that, like, stories are, you know, like, that he was going to keep with them, but I think it was real.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That's beautiful.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, it's really sweet.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Well, we're in Bournemouth on May 7, 2011. We hear the calmest 911 call I've ever heard. And at first I'm like, is this a British thing? Because they're so posh and calm.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So it's instead of like, we have 911 here, they have 999 there. They do it a little differently across the pond. Let me tell you. She's like, tell me what's happened.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Just tell me what's happened there. The main reason for the point is my. My son's friend saying that this morning I tried to. To wake both of them up, but the girl didn't wake up. We tried to wake her up.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know what it is right now.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Is she breathing? No, I don't think she is.

[Patrick Hines]

I need you to pull. We have dispatchers that are so bad that there are classes taught on what not to do that. That Susan Powell, remember, they teach that, like what not to do, you know, and this is. They just. I was. Do it differently over there.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I mean, this lady is describing that her son's friend stayed over the night before and they have gone into the room and she's not breathing. And there's no sense of urgency from the dispatcher. Different story. She's definitely, like, trying to get this lady to tell her what's going. She's like, pulling the story out of her.

[Patrick Hines]

There's zero urgency. And the dispatcher says, like, anything around her neck? Anything around her neck or that necklace? Necklace?

[Jillian Benzavale]

No, she's got a necklace.

[Patrick Hines]

Very tight. Very tight around her neck.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

How tight?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Very, very tight.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, oh, look at that. A necklace, right?

[Jillian Benzavale]

A very, very tight necklace.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a tight necklace. And then now, like, the ambulance shows up while the phone call is happening. And the dispatcher is like, you need to take that necklace off of her now. Someone else can answer the door. Like, you are telling me there's a tight necklace around her neck. And she's like, now do it now. Like, take it off now. And she goes, can you send, like, one of the, like one of the useless men that lives in. Like, they can open a door, can't they?

[Jillian Benzavale]

And this will all make sense later. But in the moment, you're like, why doesn't this woman care?

[Patrick Hines]

Rip that necklace.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Rip off her.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

So Neil Devoto is the senior investigating officer and he tells us a little bit about Emily Longley. She was 17 years old. We'll get into how awesome she is in a second. But these are sort of like the facts of what is happening right now. She was 17 years old. She was found dead in her boyfriend's bed. Her boyfriend is named Elliot Turner. He's 19 years old. He looks at least 47.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, at least. I mean this boy looks like he has is evil from within. Yeah, you know what I mean.

[Patrick Hines]

But he also looks like he's 19. He does part of this that he's a scammer, that he's actually 45.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We've been burned, girl. They're all, they're murderers and scammers all at once.

[Patrick Hines]

That photo, I was like 19.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That guy knows where the gardener art is if anybody does.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh my God, I hate him.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

40. He looks 47.

[Jillian Benzavale]

So Neil tells us that he arrived at the home at 12 noon and by the time he got there, all of the occupants of the house had been removed. So he's got the crime scene to himself.

[Patrick Hines]

And the crime scene, he says the crime scene itself was. Was the small bedroom. He says it's not a typical murder scene.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

The place was immaculate and there was no sign of disturb in the room. In the middle of the bedroom was a double Bed. And on the double bed lay Emily Longley, dressed in denim shorts and a denim top. There was no trauma to her body.

[Patrick Hines]

There's no trauma to Emily's body, but there was a mark on her neck, quote, consistent with a necklace being too tight.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. And then he says, apart from that, she was presented immaculately.

[Patrick Hines]

However, the boyfriend, though, did have, quote, some nicks on his arm and a slight bruise on his side. And I'm like, what's his explanation for this? Because it looks like signs of a fight to me.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Because they say there was no obvious pieces of evidence. And I wrote Elliot's quote, obvious defensive wounds aren't obvious pieces of evidence.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I was like, this looks like a fight.

[Jillian Benzavale]

100% like it is. When we get more into it, I'm still a little bit confused as to what they decide happened here, because Emily does not look battered in any way.

[Patrick Hines]

Except for, you know, they planted the seeds about the necklace. So, like, oh, this necklace is too tight. And so now they're telling us that there's, like, a mark on her neck.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Consistent with a tight necklace. And because the mom planted that seed on the phone call, I think they're saying, like, oh, she. But, like, see, you're tying it all.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Together for me, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm thinking. So the. The story is that. The story that the family wants us to believe right away is that she, like, got her necklace tangled in her sleep, I guess.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

And it got really tight around her neck, and then she just stopped breathing. But it's like, well, does it? I thought the body just naturally sort of, like, reacts. Like, wouldn't she have woken up the boyfriend if that was the case?

[Jillian Benzavale]

This family is making a lot of assumptions about how dumb everybody is.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, they're fudgeing idiots.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And they are. They are. These are people flying by the seat of their pants.

[Patrick Hines]

I feel very smart compared to these losers.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Well, you're very smart. Oh, I'm not, like, a genius compared to these people. I feel very smart compared to these.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. No, no, no, no, no. But the boyfri, like, they went out, they were drinking, they had a fight. The fight got physical, and at one.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Stage, he had made contact with her neck.

[Jillian Benzavale]

He says he didn't mean to hurt her. I never meant to harm her.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

I just defended myself. He said she was kicking and screaming, and he just pushed it on the.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Neck to get her off.

[Patrick Hines]

He made contact with her neck, and I'm like, okay, well, already your story's getting more interesting, you asshole. Because I thought it Was a too tight necklace. And now you're admitting you made contact with her neck.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And also, I was like, do you mean to say you punched her in the neck? Like, don't say you made contact with her neck.

[Patrick Hines]

Because this Dave o' Grady guy, he's the lead interviewing officer, the boyfriend tells him, I pushed her by the neck to get her off of me.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like, the drita of it all.

[Patrick Hines]

The. Seriously, Karen, get up.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Just don't you. Karen, get up. Me in the middle of an episode.

[Patrick Hines]

Get up, Karen. I can't remember. I don't know. What is it? Get up, Karen. Or I think it's get up, Karen. Yes, Right. I think so. But, like, just visualize what that is for a second, dear listener at home, to push someone by the neck to get them off of you. Like, just think about. About that.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Because he's saying he was defending himself in this moment. She was crazy. She was hitting him. She was screaming, and she. He had to push her away by the.

[Patrick Hines]

By her neck. Yeah, but wouldn't it get someone away from you if you use both hands and push them by their shoulders? Like, one hand on the neck? Doesn't seem like it's doing much. This story's full.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I'm like, it's almost as if this story isn't what happened.

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, what a weird excuse. Like, with your hand. And, like, just take your two hands and push them away. Or like, that just doesn't feel like a defensive move.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's the kind of thing where, like, when you commit a murder. Murder because you're a crazy, insane person. And then you have to figure out later how to explain away what you did tracking. Yeah. And, like, none of this, like, this is why we don't murder people. You're never gonna get away with it. That's not the only reason why.

[Patrick Hines]

One of the many zillions of reasons.

[Jillian Benzavale]

One of the many reasons.

[Patrick Hines]

But also, like, yes, this is a very clear reason in this instance. Right?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like, you're never gonna make up a story that makes sense. That almost never works.

[Patrick Hines]

Because then he's like, oh, we had a fight that was so bad that I'm pushing her away from me by her neck. But then we made up.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Elliot had said that Emily was okay after this. And in fact, he went and got her some water and that they then went to bed together. And it wasn't until the morning that he discovered that she was deceased.

[Patrick Hines]

Emily was just laying there, and she wasn't alive anymore. I don't buy it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Neither. Why would anybody. Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

The Cops are like, uh huh, Right, right.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Sure, Jan.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But the only thing the cops will say is that there aren't really any like injuries apparent on the body. And that like the tight necklace story makes a little bit of sense because like you said, she's got that mark. Because they planted the seed.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So they're kind of like, this doesn't really make sense. But I don't. They kind of have to use what they have right now. And it's not much, I guess, is the point. Right.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And thank God. They say Elliot being the last person to see her is taken into custody. I was like, thank fudgeing God.

[Patrick Hines]

And they're like, it's very clear he knows more than what he's saying.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So they're like, get him in. But they, they haul him downtown or whatever, whatever they call it across the pond.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's probably something very nice. Probably they put him in his room.

[Patrick Hines]

Because what they end up getting charged with is very fancy sounding.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

And we'll get to it. I don't want to spoil it. It's not a spo. This is horrible. I'm just saying it was very like, again, they do things a little differently over there.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And I was just there. They are very kind people. I got to tell you.

[Patrick Hines]

A lot.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I really like London a lot too.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I like it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I discovered a place called the Artist Walk. It's beautiful. Yeah. It's on the Thames.

[Patrick Hines]

Cool.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I had a very nice time there.

[Patrick Hines]

That's really nice. London weather is my vibe. I love it. So.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But I just wanted to say they described putting him in his cell and how much he hated it. And it just made me so happy.

[Patrick Hines]

He was not expecting that.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

This is a really rich kid.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's. Get it. Once you learn about his mother, you'll see how he was brought up.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's been a minute since you said.

[Patrick Hines]

It, like, you know wrong.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know. Oh my God. In her eyes.

[Patrick Hines]

So like, she. He's. He's rich.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He is entitled. He's. I. We don't diagnose people. But like a fucking psychopath.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No question.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's been encouraged by his mother his whole life. So he was not expecting to be thrown in a cell to like, think about what he's done.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Literally. He's never been sent to his room.

[Patrick Hines]

Not once in a cell. And think about what you did.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like. But wait a second. Criminal.

[Jillian Benzavale]

He's also the kind of kid who's been brought up to believe that he can get away with anything.

[Patrick Hines]

So they have this asshole in custody. The cops have 24 hours to charge him or they have to let him.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Go, which I like. This policy. Is that a thing we can do here? Can you hold him for 24 hours before you, like.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't. I don't know the official policy. I know that they will lie about it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Legally, like, they're. Cops are allowed to lie to you. I think they can find ways to sort of extend that. I don't think it's. I could be totally wrong. I don't think it's a hard and fast rule. Like, it is here.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. This seems like a good rule. I like, you got 24 hours. Figure it out. Or you got to let him go.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You know, that doesn't mean, like. And then it's over. You can go. Go get them later.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You got 24 hours to prove your kids.

[Patrick Hines]

But if you're going to bring them in.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Have, like, the clock starts ticking.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So let's talk about Emily and how awesome she was.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Dad, Mark just says, this was my favorite thing.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

He says, Emily was just a kind of game on little girl. I just kind of strapped myself in and went along for the ride.

[Patrick Hines]

It was always an adventure. With Emily.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And her sister Hannah is here, too. So. At 18 months old, Emily is diagnosed with a form of osteoporosis.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like, Jesus Christ.

[Patrick Hines]

She also had eczema and she had asthma, and she had a lot of food intolerances. So she was, like, always in and out of the hospital as a kid.

[Jillian Benzavale]

She cannot catch a break, this kid.

[Patrick Hines]

And so. But Hannah, her sister's like. Yeah, she kind of, like, didn't care about those health issues. Like, she would do what she wanted and deal with the consequences after the fact. Like, I don't know what her food allergies were, but, like, going to say.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It'S like me and lactose.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. I know a lot of people who are lactose intolerant who are like, I'll. I want the pizza.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I'm. I'm gonna not. Yes. That's a. That's a two hours from now problem.

[Patrick Hines]

Is there something you can take to make it better? Like, to, like, pop something and then have the pizza?

[Jillian Benzavale]

The problem is that if you're lactose, you're probably also gluten. Like, it's all wrapped. You can either eat delicious food or you can't. And I'm pretty much a. You can't but do anything.

[Patrick Hines]

But isn't there something you can take before there's like a lactate.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But it's never just one thing. You know what I mean? As we get older, it doesn't get easier.

[Patrick Hines]

I just.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's a body is.

[Patrick Hines]

It's important to me that if people want pizza, they can have it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I couldn't agree more.

[Patrick Hines]

You can't, like, live in a world where like wants pizza and their body is refusing to have it. That feels wildly unfair.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I will just say that the Domino's gluten free pizza is delicious.

[Patrick Hines]

It's cardboard.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, no.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, I tried it once because I thought I had to go gluten free. I don't know what was going on.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I can't live.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I tried it. I was like, I want domino. But like, domino, it still has. It's fake pizza. Like, it's still got to be good.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I took one bite. Mike was like, it's bad that I tried like a. Like, because we have our Sunday bagel routine and I tried a gluten free bagel and he was. He's like, I could tell by your face.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I just.

[Patrick Hines]

Never again. I know it's got to be another issue.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Anything.

[Patrick Hines]

But I'm going to will it to be another issue. I don't even know what it was. I think I was just having a bad week.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It could be that.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know what happened. But, like, I want to hear from the people who found, like, the good hacks.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

They want to have, like the gluten free.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Jensen knows he's got the whole thing down.

[Patrick Hines]

I want you to have the perfect New York bagel. I want you to have the pizza like I want to. I want to. I have to think that we live in a world where if someone wants.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Pizza, they can have it.

[Patrick Hines]

They're having it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I'm with you.

[Patrick Hines]

I can't do it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

There's too much happening.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I agree.

[Patrick Hines]

I can't, like, go to bed. I can't add that to the intrusive thought of they can't have pizza. Oh, my God. They can't have pizza.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Your poor little New York heart.

[Patrick Hines]

I can't do it. Half the bagel.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

For God's sake. With the cream cheese on it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, the everything with the cream cheese.

[Patrick Hines]

My God. Travel down the road. Back again, girl.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Kettle and fire bone broth is a new sponsor. Can I tell you, Steve was super sick this last week. He drank like four boxes of it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, well, look, it's rich, it's savory, it's slow simmered. It tastes as Good as it is for you.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes. We're talking. It's great for gut health and digestion, muscle recovery and energy, immune function. And like, if you're sick, this is the stuff. Steve like had already had some and was like literally craving it when he got sick.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, you just have to heat it up. You sip it. It's made with 100% grass fed and finished beef bones or organic free range chicken bones. No additives, no preservatives, no weird stuff.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And listen, I'm all about the protein. These days. We're Talking up to 19 grams of protein per serving. It keeps you full between meals and can help curb crack cravings.

[Patrick Hines]

Also, you don't just have to like drink it plain because I gave this to my dad because he just loves cooking and he loves like sort of upgrading his meals. So you can add it to rice, you can add it to soups, you can add it to sauces like you're cooking. Like you would cook with broth. Just use kettle and fire bone broth now.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's so good to just have in your pantry. And you will use it all the time.

[Patrick Hines]

Such an easy upgrade too.

[Jillian Benzavale]

So easy. So fam. For a limited time, you can get a free carton of kettle and fire bone broth by going to kettleandfire.com TCO.

[Patrick Hines]

Just buy any 3 cartons in store and they'll pay you back for one. This works on any flavor retailer.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You can find kettle and fire in over 22,000 plus stores nationwide, including Costco, Walmart, Target, Publix, Whole Foods, Kroger and Sprouts.

[Patrick Hines]

That's K e t t L E&Fire.com.

[Jillian Benzavale]

TCO and like if you're sick, just go for it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Or you could just add it to like a recipe.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You can just go to Jillian's dad's house and cook with him.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. He's a menace in the kitchen though.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I'm staying out of his way.

[Patrick Hines]

Mike calls it like tornado till or something. There's, there's like a nickname for it. But anyway, anyway, yes, everything he cooks is delicious.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Emily's family decides they've got to move to New Zealand. They decide that it's not the food, it's England is the problem and they get the hell out.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, yeah, they move for Emily.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

It was really because of Emily that we moved over here. One specialist said the best thing you can do for a probably is move out of London and go to a kind of greener, more outdoor environment.

[Patrick Hines]

A greener and more outdoor environment would be better for Emily, and it's a really big move. And Hannah, her sister, was kind of. Of pissed.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. I mean, Hannah really was homesick. She missed the grandparents. She missed all their friends. I didn't realize how far New Zealand was from England. I also didn't realize that New Zealand wasn't just, like, beautiful and sunny all year round. They described the winter as, like, dark and cold. I was like, don't do that to me. New Zealand.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm like, say more.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Or say less. I'm on my way.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You can't go.

[Patrick Hines]

You had.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But you know, the family. The dad loves it. Everybody kind of really likes it. The dad describes Emily. Now this. I did not like that at the age of like, 15, Emily's sneaking out to go clubbing in Auckland.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, because when she was 14, I rem. Like, I get it. Hannah, like, she was a, like 13 years old when she was, like, ripped away from her friends and family. Like, I understand why she was homesick, but When Emily was 14, her parents separated and so she's really struggling with this. They're in a new place and so she's, like, acting out and rebelling and, like, sneaking out of the house and going clubbing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Now, we don't get a lot of information about the mom. The mom is not here for the documentary, but it does seem like she has a relationship with the daughters. But it also seems like the daughters were living primarily with their dad.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. That we. We don't know anything about it, I'm guessing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But all I know is that the dad basically says she was 15 and I couldn't stop her. I was like, excus, dad. He's like, unless I were to lay down in front of the car. I'm like, well, get ready, Daisy, because if you think you're sneaking out of my house at 15 in New York City, you got another thing.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sure there was some guilt there where it was like, I just. He made the move.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And then I. Sure. Maybe he felt bad about the separation or whatever.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Seems safe.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I don't think it's very safe in clubbing in Auckland. Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Did you sneak out and go clubbing?

[Patrick Hines]

I didn't sneak out, but I went. We went to, you know, we had our fake IDs and stuff, but I never snuck out.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's one. I was going to say, like, if Daisy asked me, I don't know. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But like, Daisy, if we say it's bedtime and you try to sneak out your Window. Thank God we live on the fourth floor.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

It's a little different to the apartment.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. And the doorman will rat her out.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You know, I mean, but what. I wonder what the protocol is there. Like, how. How far into your personal life should a doorman be getting?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, the doorman are all up in our personal life and our life.

[Patrick Hines]

Really? That can't be right.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I mean, we love them.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a business.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's a super small building. And.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, great. If you like it. Yeah, hooray.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's fine.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's 2010. Emily wants to go to college back in England.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Well, she kind of does this by her dad's back. Like they're going on a holiday trip, and she gets there before her dad. She goes to this college to do an interview. The dad shows up, and she's like, I got accepted and I'm going.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, yeah. Well, I think it was kind of like she wanted her old life back a little bit.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Because she's gonna be living with her grandparents, even though she's gonna be really far away from her dad and her sister. She's gonna be living with her grandparents. So her dad's happy about that part at least. Right. It was still a really hard thing for him. But Hannah, her sister. Sister is heartbroken and, yes, angry. And she's resentful because she's like, wait, I want to go back and be with my friends and family, too.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Because at the end of the day, girl, we came for you.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

She's like, I can eat cheese, I can eat pizza.

[Patrick Hines]

I can do whatever the hell I want.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Any of that.

[Patrick Hines]

Eczema, Emily, allergies or whatever. So she was, like, pissed that Emily got to do all these things that, like, had. I was really struggling with.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And I'm kind of like, wait, their whole family lives in England? And I'm sure there are reasons, but I'm like, well, if Emily doesn't need to be there anymore, can't everybody just go back?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

How many times can you uproot your life?

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know. And the dad, they're probably all working or whatever, but I'm just like, oh, my, Emily, they did that for you, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So it's 2010. Emily's living with her grandparents.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

She got a job at Topshop, which she really enjoyed. She was doing business at Brockenhurst. She was really blossoming. She was enjoying it.

[Patrick Hines]

She is thriving. She is blossoming. And here comes this fucking loser to come and ruin it right on cue. That train is never late.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Never late. I know how old I am by the fact that I don't understand what Topshop is.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just a store.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's just like a hat store.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a clothing store.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, it is?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I thought it was like a hat store. No, I thought the top was the hats.

[Patrick Hines]

No, it isn't. Is that what a haberdashery is? Yes, that's what that word is. That's a hat store. Like a specific, like a really like old timey, like custom, like Oak Hat Store.

[Jillian Benzavale]

There's a habitat down on Bleecker street that I go to some. It's so cool. You love it.

[Patrick Hines]

Do they have like, old hats?

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's all old timey, like hats and like pocket squares and shit. It's so great.

[Patrick Hines]

That's cool.

[Jillian Benzavale]

At least. I didn't think Topshop was a store exclusively for homosexual tops.

[Patrick Hines]

No, you know, I hear you. I see where you were going. It could be. I think it's just like a store. I think it's like an H and.

[Jillian Benzavale]

M. I think more useful in that situation would be a bottom shop. I feel like they need more. Thanks.

[Patrick Hines]

Why is that?

[Jillian Benzavale]

I don't know. There's a lot of. There's a lot of work that goes into being a bottom, apparently.

[Patrick Hines]

I could understand that. Okay, no more.

[Jillian Benzavale]

There's a lot of products that I feel like are used.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, I would agree.

[Jillian Benzavale]

There should be one store where they can go get them.

[Patrick Hines]

I think there is.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You're probably.

[Patrick Hines]

I'd go down to like 8th street if you're in the market for that kind of thing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So this loser comes along and the relationship gets very serious very quickly. They're like already going away for the weekend together. They're 17. She's 17 years.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Mark, the dad who I love. I'm totally on his side, but he's like, approves this trip.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

My mother said this guy was kind of on the scene and he seemed to be quite charming, quite responsible. I kind of asked Emily about him and she wasn't too forthcoming. He was just a guy she was seeing. And then my mother asked me if I was okay if they went away for the weekend together. And so I said fine.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And he says yes. Yeah, over my dead body.

[Patrick Hines]

But she's gonna do it anyway. That's the type of person she was. She was just gonna do it because you raised her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You told her it was okay to go clubbing at 15.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I don't know. I think it's Just she, I mean we, we heard from her family, like she was just gonna. She was an adventurous person and I think it's kind of like, well, you know, where she, like would you rather her tell you and have some details or not tell you anything at all and then you're in the dark.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Those are the dynamics you negotiate forever as a parent. That's true. That's real.

[Patrick Hines]

I think it's sort of like they pick their battles here a little bit. She's gonna, if she, if a 17 year old girl wants to be with her shitty boyfriend, she's gonna do it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, you are. Your eyes are telling me that you know of what you speak like it's.

[Patrick Hines]

A bad scene, man.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know, I know it's a bad.

[Patrick Hines]

Scene, but it's just, I think it's.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like the truth and it's crazy coming out of your mouth because you are such a, like you're just a good person who wouldn't want to do anything to like break your parents hearts. So if you're saying it, it must be true.

[Patrick Hines]

It's never, I don't think it's never int. It's not personal.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's business. You know what I mean? It's our shitty business. When we' and we think that it's the biggest deal in the world.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's not personal. It's business. You're right.

[Patrick Hines]

It's business, you know.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh man.

[Patrick Hines]

Straight out of the Godfather. But it applies to this.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's April 2011. Emily went back to New Zealand for Easter and her dad is like. She came back and like, oh my God.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

The transformation was incredible. She had left a gawky teenager and come back a young woman. She was happy, she was confident.

[Patrick Hines]

Emily had grown up in some ways and, you know, kind of emotionally matured. Everyone's so happy, everyone's getting along. And the icing on the cake is that Emily was gonna dump that loser.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And she didn't really say why. And I'm like, well, she's 17 and thriving. Say no more. Emily, I get it. You wanna live your life.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Even Hannah is like, when she came back, like she was like a grownup now, but in a cool way where like she would go out with her friends and she'd come home and we would like chat, we'd like talk. She also, we see so many pictures of her from this time and like she has just like stunningly beautiful, like she's figured out like her look and like she likes clothes and she likes makeup and like we saw like, pictures of her when she was like a younger kid. And now she looks like a woman.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, and she's still, you know, 17 years old, but she knows enough to be like, oh, plenty of fish in the sea. This guy, I can dump his ass and I'm going to be thriving. Like, she's kind of very self aware that, like, she's got her whole world ahead of her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And Mark, the dad, describes that on that trip, this was just like such a dad moment that I was like, oh, my God. He says on that Easter trip when she was back, he was walking on the beach with his two daughters. And he remembers turning, like, getting ahead of them and turning around and looking at them and just being like, everything's perfect. Yeah, everything is perfect right here.

[Patrick Hines]

It was great. And so, like, when Emily goes back to England, it was really bittersweet. Like, they're sad to see her go, but they're thrilled that she's doing so great.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, and so. But Emily, you know, like, these sweet moments because this is the last time they saw her. So they're telling, you know, Hannah tells the story about Emily, like, just being the coolest older sister ever and being. Be like, oh, can you keep an eye on my favorite coat for me and, like, wear it and, like, keep it safe until I get back. It's just. It made Hannah feel like on top of the world. It was like a really sweet thing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And the dad explains that, like, when she got back to London, she texted him and was like, it was great to see you. I love you. And that was their last communication.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I was saying to you before we started, like, I. I give Mark so much credit for doing this because telling these stories is so important.

[Patrick Hines]

And Hannah, too, like, that her family is, like, here to get together to.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I just don't think I could do it, you know, Like, I just. If this happened to me, I. And by me, I mean if this happened to Daisy and I lived to tell the tale. I just can't imagine it. Yeah, it's so. It's. I. I know a lot of time has passed and I. I'm grateful that they're telling us her story, but it is. It, like, I just know that moment of, like, wow, you look at this thing and you're like, everything is perfect. Everything I wanted for my kids is happening now. And, oh, my God. And like, that's the transition music in the documentary.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know, because, like, now we're going to get the sad tale.

[Patrick Hines]

Right? So it's May 8, 2011. Hannah is woken up and I woke up and I just remember thinking like, what is that noise? And so I came out of my room and went into the lounge and it was my mum screaming. Just this most like gut wrenching horror scream I'd ever heard in my life. Like the worst scream you can imagine.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And you can hear it, like as she's describing it, you can, like, you.

[Patrick Hines]

Can feel it, like you can hear it like in your bones, you can feel it. Because the family has gotten the worst fall call in the world that Emily is no longer alive.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And Mark describes waking up to like a ton of missed calls from his mother. He calls his ex wife Emily's mother. Then he calls his mom to get the news, but he's getting his. Like, Mark just can't get the information.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, you can never believe it. It's always shocking, but it's like she was just home a week ago.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like she's 17 years old, she's healthy. Like, what happened? Like, they just can't believe. And again, when you just saw them, like she was just here and everything was great. What do you mean?

[Jillian Benzavale]

And he says, Mark says at first they just thought it was like a horrible traged. He says he actually felt bad for Elliot, the boyfriend. Like the idea of waking up next to your girlfriend who's died overnight, like this girl that you love, you know, of course. And he says, like, it could have been a heart attack, it could have been a cancer we didn't know about. Maybe she took some kind of drug the night before.

[Patrick Hines]

They're just like grasping at straws. And so we get this onscreen text that says, with no obvious cause of death, detectives search for evidence to indicate how Emily died. So let's go through the investigation a little bit.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The crime scene, they're collecting DNA and fibers, phones, computers, the bed linens, like they're just grabbing everything. They want to look into the relationship. What was it like between these two people? They're talking to witnesses. Like talking to people who knew them. Also the mother.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Who called the cops in the first place. So like, and Emily's dad is saying this thing that we hear so often.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Where it's like, when someone dies, you're absolutely devastated, but. But no one else knows about it. And so I was thinking, why are all these people going about their business like nothing's happened? Do they not understand what's happened?

[Patrick Hines]

Who's this idiot crossing the street? Like, don't they know what happened? Like, how could someone live when I.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Am going through this because he's got to get there. He's got to fly from New Zealand to London. And they're at the airport. He says they stopped for gas. And on the COVID of the newspaper is the picture of his murdered daughter. And he says he almost threw. Like that. I cannot imagine. And like, as we know, like missing white woman syndrome. She is. She looks like Gabby Petito. Like, she is exactly who is going to be on the COVID of all of the newspapers.

[Patrick Hines]

Papers.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, girl. Goodles is back. I haven't said this in a while. I'm throwing out the damn copy. I don't need it. Goodles is like the third roommate in our house.

[Patrick Hines]

Calling all Goodles girlies.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes. So, fam, Goodles is good old Mac and cheese, right? But with every serving of good old Mac and cheese, you get 14 grams of protein, 7 grams of fiber with prebiotics and 21 vitamins and minerals from real plant sources.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, and the best thing is they have the boxes, right? Like the regular Mac and cheese boxes. But they also have the cups, which is so easy to have during the day if you need just like, you're like, I haven't eaten in a while. I need something quick and delicious and good for me. Goodalls.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Now, look, you don't have to have an 11 year old to have macaroni and cheese be a staple of your diet. But in my house, it certainly is a thing. Daisy loves the Goodalls better than the other brands you know about. We let her eat it. We feel good letting her eat it and entire box of it because it's full of protein and fiber and like, it's good for her.

[Patrick Hines]

It's one of those things where it's like, oh, good, we have plenty of Goodles in the pantry.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I used to literally feel guilty about the amount of macaroni and cheese we literally eat. Not anymore, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

Heck no.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Listen, it's a low glycemic index food, which means it provides steady energy instead of a carb crash. And on top of that, it's kosher and clean. Label purity award certified.

[Patrick Hines]

What more could you want? It's perfect.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And on top of that, it's macaroni and cheese.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, hello.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know what I mean? So, fam, do what we did. Get yourself some Goodalls.

[Patrick Hines]

We know you'll love them, too.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, pick up Goodalls on your next shopping trip. It's available nationwide at Target and Walmart, plus many other major grocery stores and retailers.

[Patrick Hines]

And don't forget the new single serve cups.

[Jillian Benzavale]

My favorite I mean, it's a lifesaver.

[Patrick Hines]

Convenient and delicious.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Fine. So the cops learn right away that this loser quote had a dark side to him. And all of Emily's friends say that their relationship was toxic. Also, this is a good time to note they were only together four months.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That was so shocking to me.

[Patrick Hines]

But this happens fast.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Four months. She was going to break up with him.

[Patrick Hines]

She was going to break up with him. But this happens fast. Especially when this guy was, like, extremely jealous. Everyone else is happy for Emily. This guy isn't. Of course he's not. He has to ruin everything. Like, Emily was posting about seeing her friends and family. Remember when he's jealous and she's like, home in London with all of her friends and posting, all he sees is like, she's having fun without him. She's doing great without him. Being like, wow, look at this. This my girlfriend, who I love having fun with her friends. Like, it's never.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No. And I actually sat there trying to put myself in that mindset of, like, looking at this girl that I. Or this person that I love, watching them having fun and being so rageful instead of happy.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just all. It's insecurity. Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes. And it's like, where does the. I mean, obviously the parents are fucking garbage and we will get to them. But like, how does this. How are these monsters made?

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. I think there was probably something in him already that was just completely supported by his mother.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, we see it clearly because he's. He's so honest about it in this odd way. Like, we hear this voicemail one of. We'll hear another one later, but we hear a voicemail like, this loser told his friend about his jealousy, but of course is making it Emily's fault.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's just like, oh, yeah, do you love me? Well, fucking show it. Show it what you do. I fucking show it. You being an asshole. It's so disrespectful. The second time I watched this, it struck me how. How angry he sounds in these voicemails. They are scary.

[Patrick Hines]

They're terrifying. And he's leaving voicemails like he's just saying it to all of these people. It's like, bro, she's 17 years old. It's been three months. Calm down.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And also, like. And the dad is going to say this in the end, but, like, we just need to say it as much as we can. Men, when you have a man friend who's acting like this, fucking step up and say something. You Got to call them out. You got to let the girlfriend know she's in danger. Call the fuck family men your friends are. Will be honest with you to a point of being terrifying. And when you hear your friend being terrifying, you need to warn the people in their lives.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And this one, I could see, like, plausible deniability, like, he's just bitching about her. But there's one later where it's like, no.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

You should have done something.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So this boyfriend.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Witnesses described Elliot as a flash, cash rich kid who modeled himself himself on being a gangster. He had received a warning for harassment when he was 16.

[Patrick Hines]

Modeled himself on being a gangster. Like, shut up. Like, I. When I heard that.

[Jillian Benzavale]

So boring to me as modeling yourself as a gangster.

[Patrick Hines]

I was like, growing up. And it made me think of. There's this great scene in Big Love that I love. Barb Jean Triple Horn, who's, like, the best. Her sister, like, can't handle the fact that she's a polygamist now. So her sister is, like, a real obnoxious about everything.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Wait, I'm on the sister's side.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, but she's an asshole.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Okay, okay.

[Patrick Hines]

Who plays the sister?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Do you know?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know, but she's like, the actor is great, but the character, like, she's supposed. You're not supposed to like her. She's like, mean to Barb. But Marjean.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Don't be mean to Barb.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. Don't be mean to Barb. Barb has gone through it like, oh, my God, don't be mean to her. So. But Marjean is, like, the youngest one, and she's very immature. So Marjean, like, the youngest wife, calls Barb's sister to be like, we're a family. And, like, you have to love, like, she, like, totally out of bounds, right? But the sister, the way she says it, she goes, grow up and never ever call my house again. And when, like, the grow up. When I said it was in Barb sister's voice, because in that moment, I'm like, she ate that.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I. We don't like the sister in general, like, whether she does horrible things to Barb. But, like, grow up. Like, grow, Grow up.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Grow up.

[Patrick Hines]

You look like you're 47.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know. And they say that he's a leader among his friend group. They say these are the kind of guys that go out to the bars, like, they fudgeing own the place. This is where the drinking age is 18 years old. I know these, like, young kids at bars, like, as A. As a bartender for fucking 15 years.

[Patrick Hines]

Like.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like this are the. The entitled young men are the absolute worst.

[Patrick Hines]

Nobody thinks it's cool. No, stop it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The women, the girls don't like it.

[Patrick Hines]

No. And so we learn. We don't hear anything else about this, but at 16 years old, he received a warning for harassment, whatever that means.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So this boyfriend is a typical abuser, right? Like, he's trying to isolate Emily. He's verbally abusing her. He's super jealous. He's bullying her.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Emily would say, I'm out with my friends. He then goes sit in the carpet. So Emily would then, of course, feel sorry for him and go out there, and she'd eventually end up leaving with him. Turner exploited this. Emily wouldn't have liked to see anyone.

[Patrick Hines]

Upset and sit outside crying to get her to come out and make her night about him.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And the dad calls it out. He's like, he was able to exploit this in my daughter because my daughter wouldn't want anybody to be sad. And I totally understand when, like, people aren't trained to realize they're being abused necessarily. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And when you're just like, a good kind of person and like, this person who's nice to you sometimes, who you love sometimes, is now in the parking lot crying, of course you want to. Like, as any good, nice person would.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's also not going to leave you alone. Like, you have to. You have to deal with it because it's stalking behavior.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know what I mean? He's like, he's following you around. He's stalking you online when you're not with him. Like, I do think that we need to. And we talk to Daisy about this stuff all the time. We do talk to her about this kind of behavior and that this will not be tolerated. This is not the kind of thing that is okay.

[Patrick Hines]

And Hannah, her sister, is like, yeah, well, that. And it was also very violent. Like, he also really aggressive. And Hannah knew this. And he was threatening Emily. And Emily documented this.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

She wrote him a letter after their first trip away together. And Emily is writing, I love you, but stop saying you're going to kill me. Stop talking about your ex girlfriends. Stop being aggressive. And she's trying to play to his ego.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Saying, like, you're so much hotter when you're not aggressive. Like, I don't like this, but I like when you're not, like, just trying to reason with him in this. In this way that is, like, she's trying to be rational with an irrational person. And that is never going to work.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And we do have to teach our. Our. That when they tell you they're gonna kill you, they might mean it.

[Patrick Hines]

Ladies and girls, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. We are worth it. We're worth it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That's only part of it. I do think that, like, it is the responsibility of parents to also teach.

[Patrick Hines]

Of course.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know, like, they raise you to be a good, nice, loving person who gives people second chances. Right. Like, it's not. It's not just the fault of women. Parents have got to get involved here and, like, teach the behavior that this is dangerous, this. And you have to teach your sons again, when they have friends that beh. Like this, you've got to call it out.

[Patrick Hines]

You have to call it out. Like, I. I just remember, though, like, being in a relationship where I would say I remember having, you know, like, they say, like, shower thoughts. I've mentioned this where it's like, oh, I'm just never gonna be happy, and that's fine. Like, that's just my journey, I guess. Like, I won't. You know, I would see. Romanticize all these things that were going on in the world or, like, watching TV and being like, oh, I'll never. Like, I'll just never have that. Like, that's just not for me because I was told that I, like, don't deserve that or whatever. So I. I get. I, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm speaking as a person. Those horrible things.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Back to myself, like, we are fucking worth it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, we're worth it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And also, he might actually kill you.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Because on April 30, a week before Emily's murder, there's yet another voicemail where this fudgeing loser leaves a voicemail to a friend saying that he's going to kill Emily and the friend did nothing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I mean, we're going to talk about another friend later where he acts out how he wants to kill Emily. They're not kidding. And even if they are kidding, it's like. Like, when we were growing up, we were trained that, like, if your friend jokes about bringing a gun to school, you have to go tell the Princip whether you think they're joking or not. This is the same thing. If somebody says that about their girlfriend, especially in this tone of voice.

[Patrick Hines]

You got to tell somebody to meet the parents. You can't say bomb on an airplane. Bomb, Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, you smell my boxers, bro?

[Patrick Hines]

By norm. But this friend did nothing I can't imagine getting a voicemail like that and then just going like, maybe the friend was anxious. I don't know. I'm assigning a lot to the friend right now. I have no idea. But, like, I don't know how you get a voice voicemail like that. I mean, there was. It was only a week before her murder, so I don't know what moves were made, but it's like, it's shocking. And he was being so clear about it for so long.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I was just gonna say this is not the first time he's told a friend that he was gonna kill her. It might be the only recorded version of it we have, but he's been saying it for months.

[Patrick Hines]

And there are other recorded versions of him saying how furious he is at her and how much he hates her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, give me a break. So they found CCTV footage from the night he left that voicemail saying that he's gonna kill Emily.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And we see it and Emily is trying to talk to him, but the boyfriend's being like, super, super. This is like right out of the abuser playbook. But then. And we don't see it, thank God.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That then escalated into actually assaulting her.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

In front of friends in public. And Turner comes up and grabs her head and smashes it into the table.

[Patrick Hines]

They don't show the footage of him attacking her, but we do see him throw the glass.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Everybody who's in this video is culpable here. If you are out with your friend and a man smashes her head or anybody smashes her head into a table, you call the fucking cops.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know know, like that the bar didn't seem to do anything. We're not told that the venue did anything.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We see her friends, like, gathering her up and getting her out of there, which is.

[Patrick Hines]

They get the hell out of it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The right thing to do. But you like these, like, he's telling you what he's going to do. And I'm not blaming the victim. I know he's the only person that fall here, but I'm just saying that, like, he's telling his friends he's going to kill her. He's showing everybody at this bar that he's going to kill her.

[Patrick Hines]

Stalking her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

He's stalking her. He is physically abusing her. I don't know how the cops did not get called in that moment.

[Patrick Hines]

I. I don't know either. And like, as horrified. Horrifying as it is, this is very valuable to the case because it's confirming what Emily's friends and family were telling the police, yes. And so the cops say, all right, we have those voicemails. We have the letter Emily wrote saying, please stop threatening to kill me. We have the CCTV footage of the assault. We have eyewitness accounts. Like, it's like, so clear that this is someone who was planning on hurting Emily. Like, everything is falling into place. And so a week before she was murdered, we learned that Emily tried to break up with him. And again, as we know, this is the most dangerous time for someone in a very bad situation.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Travel down the road back again, girl.

[Jillian Benzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Benzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Benzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Benzavale]

Honestly, I'm seeing in Daisy qualities when it comes to money that I never had. She saves. Like, I spent money as soon as I got it.

[Patrick Hines]

That's crazy.

[Jillian Benzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Benzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Benzavale]

And you can customize that debit card?

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, yeah. I can have like a cute picture on it. Like your dog or something.

[Jillian Benzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

So it's May 5th and Emily is out with her friends. And the boyfriend hears about it and there's like a guy there, whether it doesn't matter if it's a date or not. Like, it could have been her father and he would have gone off the deep end.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And we learned that this actually wasn't even true. She was home doing homework.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. But you know, he hears about this somehow that like, oh, there's like some guy out again. It could have been her father elicited the same reaction. But the boyfriend, quote, arms himself with a hammer and heads to the bar where Emily is. And I'm like, who is telling him where she is? Like, like, why does he think she's there and she's not there? No, but like, he just goes, he.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Armed himself with a hammer. His intention was to go over and assault her at the bar. CCTV shows Elliot entering a club with what appears to be a. A lump hammer down the front of his trousers.

[Jillian Benzavale]

They can actually see the hammer down the front of his pants.

[Patrick Hines]

Like he went there specifically to hurt.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Her, to beat her with a hammer.

[Patrick Hines]

That's why he went. He's not there for any other reason. He's there to harm and potentially kill Emily.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And also, like, what is so telling about this is that he was going to beat her with a hammer, maybe kill her in a public place. He's not planning to get away with this. All he wants to do is kill her.

[Patrick Hines]

And it shows you how he's spiraling because he made up this whole scenario in his head. She's at home doing homework.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He gets this like, little bit of information and then has invented this, like in his mind, the worst case scenario, that what she's like, she's a 17 year old living her life. Oh, right.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And it's also like, okay, you're going to beat her with a hammer and then you're going to go to prison. Like, this is not about being with her.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's also just telling Emily's friends that he's planning on killing Emily.

[Jillian Benzavale]

According to the documentary that night he told Emily's friends that he did kill her. And then nobody calls the cops again.

[Patrick Hines]

Because he's like, oh, just kidding.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I don't get it. Like, am I wrong in thinking that her friends also failed her?

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, she might be begging them not to. Yeah, I mean that would, you know, for a great many reasons, she would be begging them not to.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That's true.

[Patrick Hines]

I think, you know, being 17, you just don't want to make it any worse. And I think you would assume that calling the cops would make it worse or she just doesn't want it. Like, I mean, I can see her talking them out of it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I just want somebody to go to a grownup and let them know what's happening. I just want somebody to go to, like, an actual adult and say, like, hey, she's begging me not to call the cops. So I'm not. But you're my mom or my dad or my guardian. I'm going to tell you with more life experience can decide what to happen.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, look, I think a lot of times the cops will say it's nothing until it's something like, you know about this. And I will just say it very briefly with not a lot of details because I don't really feel like getting into it today. But I was in a situation where I told the cops, like, this really scary stuff is happening. And they told me to my face that there was nothing they can do until and unless the person kills me. Essentially. They were like, this is all cool.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like, I saw you that day.

[Patrick Hines]

We'll start. Yeah, you saw me that day.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And you heard phone calls that I had. Yes, about it. Yeah. And, like, can vouch that this is true 100%. But I went because I've learned a lot doing this show. But part of it is like, well, if it happens, I need the paper trail so that, like, when Mike is trying to avenge my death or whatever.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Literally said that you were like, well, I need to make the paper trail so that we can prove who did this.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Or, like, when, if and when it happened or whatever. Like, I know enough to do that. Yeah, right. So.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But even you are planning for your own death in that.

[Patrick Hines]

They, like, told me as much. They were like this. Like, thanks, I guess, for bringing this. There's nothing we can do about it. Like, I was like, do you want to keep the death threat or no? And they were like, no, we're good. Literally.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, literally. I know. And it's like, it's only later that Neil the detective found the CCTV footage of him entering the bar with the hammer. It's like, okay, but he went there with a fudgeing deadly weapon. Yeah, but even that is he didn't do anything with it.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. You know, like, I can understand. Like, okay, so let's just say people called or, oh, there's a voicemail. Like, I wonder what the conversation would have been. Yeah, if it's like, well, but. But he hasn't.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Right, Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, but it's like, okay, well, he came here with a hammer. I mean, it's a very different situation than mine, obviously, but it's not like.

[Jillian Benzavale]

He would have been. I mean, if somebody had called the cops and him smashing her head into the desk or the table like he was. Something would have happened to him that night.

[Patrick Hines]

It was clear enough. And thank you for not showing it. Yes, filmmaker. But it was on the CCTV footage. Like, what did the bart. Like, what did the people who worked at that venue do? It was obvious enough that, like, something happened and then a bunch of people left, left right away, and then just nothing I know was done, really.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's like, I don't know why this feels like we're experiencing it for the first time. We go through this all the time. So frustrating, so common. And it's like, how have we not figured this out yet?

[Patrick Hines]

Because it's so. It's so avoidable. So to see it again, it's just like, I know how this. I've seen this film before, right? I do not like the ending. I know what happens. But, like, it does. It doesn't have to happen this way. Perhaps, like, I would. Like, maybe I'm wrong, though. Like, I would love to live in a world where I can say this was preventable, but I think if someone. Someone is so insecure, like this loser, like most of them are, they will find a way to do the horrible thing they want to do. Y.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Your way. Yes. Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And that makes it worse. Oh, my God.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We're not even halfway done, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, Seriously. So it's Friday, May 6, 2011. Emily's out with her friends and we have all the CCTV footage. So at 9 o' clock, they get.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

To the bar and shortly after her arrival, Elliot, who following her, also arrives. Both are seen together. We know from text messages between Elliot and his mother that Emily had disrespected him and had poured drink over him and that he intended to harm her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

She poured a drink over him and God fucking love her.

[Patrick Hines]

Good for you, girl. But, like, what pushed her there, right?

[Jillian Benzavale]

I mean, months and months and months. Like, she just tried to break up with him. He basically said, no, thank you, right?

[Patrick Hines]

And I will kill it. He's been actively, repeatedly threatening to kill her to her face.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And here's the hammer.

[Patrick Hines]

She had to write him a nice letter begging him to please stop.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God, you're so much hotter.

[Patrick Hines]

When you don't do this. This is what this piece of shit texts his mommy. And I'm going to read this verbatim as we see the screenshot for context.

[Jillian Benzavale]

This is the night that he kills her.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. Quote, I could fucking break Emily's neck and beat the fuck out of her. I'm going nuts. The only reason I didn't flip is because my best pal was with me. This is. This tells me everything I need to know about his fucked up relationship with his mother.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

She knows what kind of person her son is. She supports it. She encourages it. How on earth do you get to a point where you text that to your mom?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Where you. You're literally admitting that you're about to kill your girlfriend to your mother and.

[Patrick Hines]

This is her response?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Don't do anything that is inappropriate. Elliot. You are so young and you have so much life ahead of you. Love, mom. I'm going to xx. Kisses.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's. I think he's saying to her, will you help me get away with this? You know what I mean? I'm gonna do this. Will you help me get away with this?

[Patrick Hines]

Like, that thing I've been suppressing is about to happen. My job is on the ground.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Well, and because, you know, like, we don't. We never really get his backstory, but you know that he' really horrible shit before in his life that his mother has seen. You know, she knows who he is. She knows this is coming. Emily's not his first girlfriend. She's not the first girl he's abused.

[Patrick Hines]

That's 16. When he was 16 years old, he got that warning for harassment or whatever.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. And the level of denial is just unbelievable. And the mother is absolutely complicit in this. If any person I knew sent me a text message like that, I would be on the phone with the. I would be doing every. I'd be calling Emily, being like, you in danger, girl. Get out of there. Like, he's telling her what he's going to do.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's at the point where he's like, comfortable texting his mother that he.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Knows that she will help him get away with it if he can't. If he just can't help himself.

[Patrick Hines]

And I just want to slow down on. First of all, she calls it inappropriate.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

That's not what any of this is. This is like psychotic and violent. You are so young. You have so much life. Basically saying like, well, you don't want to kill her and go to prison. Not like, we don't kill human beings. You're violent. You need help. You should not be near her. I need you home now. Like. Like not trying to stop that or correct that her life has no value.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Don't worry about her. We just can't have you.

[Patrick Hines]

She'll never be enough for her sweet boy. Never ever. Like no woman will ever be good enough for her little baby boy.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

That. This two text exchange. I know. I'm like, just speculating wildly. No, I'm. I'm wrong a lot.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No, you are.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm right about this.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I'm wrong a lot is something people who are wrong a lot say to. Not like you're not. You're not wrong a lot.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what? Sometimes I'm just early. I'll say that.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, sometimes I'm just a little early. People are. I'm not alone in this.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Hey, guess who knows there are other.

[Patrick Hines]

People out there like me.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Guess who knows who? This guy.

[Patrick Hines]

This guy. Sometimes we're just early.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

That's all. We're not wrong. We're. But no, I am wrong a lot. I tell. Look at this. To this text exchange and tell me that she hasn't been supporting his vile behavior his entire life. He can do no wrong.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And it's crazy because it's like, that's his girlfriend. Well, and also just to see it from the mother's point of view for just a second, if he kills her, he's going to jail for the rest of his life and you're never going to see him again. If you are so obsessed with your kid and you can't live without him, how about you just save her life to save his life?

[Patrick Hines]

Don't do anything inappropriate.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

So Emily leaves the bar. The boyfriend chases her wherever she goes. She goes to a friend's house. He shows up at the friend's house, like, leave her alone.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So witnesses say that the boyfriend finally catches up to Emily, convinces her to leave with him, and they're. They're seen fighting outside of the boyfriend's house.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But somehow, all I can imagine is that Emily thinks it's safer to go with him than it is to not go with him.

[Patrick Hines]

Because I think it's not just safer, it's just easier.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. And he's not actually going to kill me. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. With his parents.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

His mommy.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So, speaking of the mother, the cops spoke to the mother. She's been lying to them from the beginning because according to the mother, their relationship's amazing. No issues whatsoever. She has zero concerns. Everything is perfect. This is definitely not the first time her son has texted her that. That Emily is ruining his fucking life.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Or that.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That I'm going to kill her. I could Break her fudgeing neck.

[Patrick Hines]

She's also changing her story because at first she said that she saw both Emily and her precious son in the kitchen at 5am Getting some water, but later she says she only saw her precious son at 5am Getting.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

She didn't see Emily.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

What we're learning is that Emily has died.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Been killed.

[Jillian Benzavale]

This is the morning of.

[Patrick Hines]

So when she made that 911 call, she called the father first, Right? He works an hour away.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Which meant he would have had to have traveled several miles to his home address before the phone call was then made to the emergency services, suggesting that there potentially was a delay of between one and two hours from the time that she knew that Emily was deceased.

[Patrick Hines]

So the cops are like, well, there was a delay of like one to two hours in between the mother discovering Emily and calling emergency services.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And the only reason.

[Patrick Hines]

Piece of shit.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The only reason that would be for that would be so that they could come up with this. They need the dad to be in the house. They can come up with a story to like, to explain away this death and how it wasn't the son's fault.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly. Right. And the cops are like, all right, we have a pretty good case. We have the voicemails from the boyfriend, we have the letter that Emily wrote begging her boyfriend to stop threatening to kill her. We have all the texts, we have eyewitness accounts, we have CCTV footage of several alarming events.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And the proven lies from the boyfriend and his parents. The one thing they don't have is a cause of death.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Because the autopsy comes back and it's inconclusive and there's not enough evidence to say she was strangled.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And then the pathologist goes on to say. And not only. Not only that, though it is rare, death in young people does happen through natural causes.

[Patrick Hines]

I didn't think it could get any worse than everyone over 18 years old is allowed to go missing. But here we are, healthy 17 year olds die in their sleep every once in a while.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It just happens sometimes. And that's probably.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sure it happens. But can we be honest about this, sir?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Especially with the mountain of evidence that you just so eloquently detailed for us. You know what I mean? That guy brought a fucking hammer to the bar. The time just before he smashed her head into a table.

[Patrick Hines]

Right, so the copy. We have to figure out how he killed Emily.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So they go back to the crime scene.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

It turns out the parents had been allowed to visit the scene that Sunday morning. Mr. Turner stated he wanted to recover some medicine, and they were allowed into the crime scene. And once they'd left the crime scene, the exhibit had disappeared.

[Patrick Hines]

They lied and said, oh, we need to get some medicine. But this was all about stealing, stealing that jacket. And I'm like, no one was watching them. No one was on top of them. No one was like, seeing, like, show me the medicine you need.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know why? It's England. They're like, no one's gonna steal any. Anything from the crime scene. They're too nice.

[Patrick Hines]

No.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No, you don't. They can't. I know. No, but that's what I'm saying. It's like. It's almost as though the cops couldn't believe that the parents would do something like that. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Believe it, everyone. Let this be a lesson to all of us. Believe it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's the Karen Reed thing all over again. The cops just do your jobs. I know that. Like, I know you're friends with the people in the house. You still gotta go in there and separate them and get their stories separately.

[Patrick Hines]

We know, like, there was medicine in the pocket, so they were just using that as an excuse. And then it's like, here's my asthma or whatever it is. Like, I don't know, how about when.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We secure a crime scene, we just keep it secure.

[Patrick Hines]

We secure it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Or also, just a thought, if you're going to let people back into the crime scene, maybe you go with them.

[Patrick Hines]

I just watched every other option.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You just. Sure, you can come in and get your medicine. I will be your shadow until you leave this house again.

[Patrick Hines]

Right, so they were spoken to after the fact. They denied they took the jacket. They lied again, and then they ghosted the cops. They stopped all contact with the police. So they're like, oh, my God, what was in that jacket? Like, why did they want it so badly? Like, what? We got to get to the bottom of this jacket. So Dave o' Grady's here. He's the lead interviewing officer. He's using all the good cop tactics on the killer, right? Like trying to find things in common, like trying to establish a rapport. They got nothing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I don't think that would work with me either. Like, the killer, they say, is.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, you know, he's doing a bit. You know, he's doing a good cop bit. Like, oh, where's the worst bad cop?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they're saying that, like, the killer is laughing at their questions. Like, this is the thing. This kid is not trying to get away with It. He thinks he's above being prosecuted because he's not pretending to be sad that Em. Emily is dead. He's not going along in a way that you would go along if you didn't fucking do this.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, he's, like, smirking. He's being sarcastic. He has no concern for Emily or her family. Like, no sympathy at all.

[Jillian Benzavale]

He's basically saying to these cops, I've been raised to believe that I can get away with murder, and now I'm going to do it.

[Patrick Hines]

That's exactly right. You know, and that's exactly what happened. Yeah, like, that's what happened. So they don't have enough to keep him or charge him, so he's released on bail. It's 11 days since Emily's death. They need to figure out how Emily died. So they decide to bug the killer's house. Now, we don't.

[Jillian Benzavale]

They don't take.

[Patrick Hines]

Tell us any details about how they get in and start recording. We just know that it happened.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know, I didn't even think about that because, first of all, I was absolutely shocked that this is allowed. I was thrilled. I was thrilled because they're like, we need to hear the conversation so that we can hear them talking about how they did this and covered it up.

[Patrick Hines]

They know they caught them in lies. That weird thing with the jacket. Like, this kid's an asshole. Like, we gotta figure out. They're like, we just want to hear the conversations between him and his awful parents. And so C, the letter C. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is here for covert operative. He's in shadow. And I'm like, let's effing go.

[Jillian Benzavale]

My thing. I want to bring back the derpy music from, like, years one and two of TCO for, like, the five minute sequence. We should have got about how they got in and they bugged, like, the ceiling fan. But the dad came home. It was a caper kind of love.

[Patrick Hines]

That we don't know.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Where was the bug? I wonder. And because.

[Patrick Hines]

Because we hear them clear as day.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Well, I was gonna say we, like, we get all of the good conversation. And that's a big house. How did they. Did they bug every room? I don't know, because in my brain, the bug is one of those 1980s tape recorders where you've got to press play and record at the same time.

[Patrick Hines]

Like in Dick Tracy. Totally above the big bo. Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And it's just like. It's like under the cushion of, like, the chair. It's like, patrick, you can't put that there. He's gonna Feel it.

[Patrick Hines]

He's gonna feel it. We hear everything.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

So on the evening 18th of May, we heard Mr. Turner, Elliot's father, talking about the destruction of vital evidence in relation to the case.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Every second of my day, Birdie.

[Patrick Hines]

But I know something that they don't know. Birding me. We destroyed vital evidence. We've perverted the course of justice. That was a confession.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And I'm like, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what was in the jacket. Yes, that's what they wanted.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It is also as though it was written for a TV movie. He says, exactly what they did. I shouldn't have burned that letter.

[Patrick Hines]

Hearing them talk about it is insane. And this is just the beginning. So, like, just to be clear, there was a confession letter that was in the jacket. The family lied, got into the crime scene, stole the jacket from the crime scene, got the letter, and then destroyed it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It. But also that means that the killer wrote a confession letter. And I'm like, wait, does he have a conscience all of a sudden?

[Patrick Hines]

What was the plan here?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Well, because the mom, the dad is saying it was. Hearing these two fight is my favorite thing. The dad is saying it was a confession letter. The dad is having a crisis of conscience, that he burned it with bleach and whatever. And he's like, it was a confession. And the mom's like, no, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. He said it was an accident. He didn't know how it happened. And then you hear the dad say he strangled her.

[Patrick Hines]

He strangled her is what he says, because the letter that he destroyed with bleach said that the son him but didn't mean to do it. And the mom's like, no, he didn't know. No, no, he didn't say that. And he goes, stop denying it. She goes, no, I am denying it because he didn't. And he goes, all right, what did it say then, right? What did it say? And she goes, it says it's self defense. He doesn't know what it is. And the dad says he fudgeing strangled her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I mean, it's as though it was scripted for them.

[Patrick Hines]

And then even worse, this mother should be rotting in hell.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

The killer says, I've just flipped. I grabbed her. I fudgeing grabbed her as hard as I could. And I went, fucking hell. Grabbed her like that, pushed her like that. He's showing his parents what doing. Yeah, he says, she.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That girl is by me meeting that.

[Patrick Hines]

Girl is ruined my life. She did ruin your life. She did. She did ruin your life. I'm sorry. First of all.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

First of all. First of all, like, this mother is fucking crazy and has been supporting his murderous ass his whole life.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You created this murderer, you horrible woman.

[Patrick Hines]

She's seven. Emily was 17. You're 19. Nothing was ruined until your psychopathic son killed Emily, their kids.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The idea.

[Patrick Hines]

What are you saying?

[Jillian Benzavale]

The mother is literally saying she ruined your life.

[Patrick Hines]

She had it coming.

[Jillian Benzavale]

She ruined your life by making you kill her.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know what I mean. She ruined your life by making you kill her.

[Patrick Hines]

She was ruining it by making you angry enough that you had to kill her. This whole. Because no one's ever going to be good enough for my little baby boy. So also, you saw it coming. You knew he was going to kill her. You supported it with your actions and words. You supported his behavior and his actions. She has blood on her hands enabled it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That's the definition of enabling behavior.

[Patrick Hines]

That's the word I was looking for.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Welcome. I get to say one smart thing today.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my gosh, I'm wrong all.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No, you are not.

[Patrick Hines]

He's also Googling shit. Just incriminating himself even more, but also.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Telling them what he's Googling. It's the weirdest thing.

[Patrick Hines]

I came back yesterday. I was just browsing on the computer. I typed in death by strangulation, death by suffocation, manslaughter trial, how to get off innocent. I also typed in fucking Google how to get away with serious crimes Now.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Okay, I don't understand as the parents of this kid, how you're not like the. I guess the plan is to tell the son, you shouldn't have killed that girl, but we're going to help you get away with it, right? That's what they've decided. They've decided that no matter what, they're keeping their kids out of jail.

[Patrick Hines]

The dad has hated all of this from the beginning.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The dad hates these two because he says.

[Patrick Hines]

He goes, the truth will come out, Elliot. And Elliot goes, well, what truth? The fact that I said I was going to kill her. And he's like, do you know I incriminated myself? He's saying. He goes, I sent text messages that I was going to kill her. I went into a club with a weapon. That's the truth. It's going to come out. It's going to fuck me when I go to court. I'm going to be fucked.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

The results that we got back from the COVID product were far beyond. Beyond what we expected. Not only did it point to Elliot's responsibility for Emily's death, but it also Painted a picture of the dynamics within the household.

[Patrick Hines]

The cops are sitting there going, oh, my God, they're saying everything.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Jimmy, Jimmy, get up on your headphones. You gotta come over and hear this.

[Patrick Hines]

So formally, they're laying it all out.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Now. My question is, like, we don't see this that much. The only time we've seen bugged houses is with Mafia shit and Dick Tracy. So what, is that, like the RICO stuff or whatever?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like, we don't see this in murder cases, but if this happens all the time in the uk, you would assume that they would know that this is a thing that could happen and they would just get a hotel.

[Patrick Hines]

It's bizarre how they're talking about it. It's.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I feel like the dad is, like, speaking of the lamp and telling me probably right?

[Patrick Hines]

Because the way, like, you can't. You almost can't believe.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Clear. And how specific. Like, it's crazy. I'm like. I was like, is that the other twist? That the dad was in on it?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Just get rid of these two.

[Patrick Hines]

Dad put Bug in there. Like, was he working with the cops? Because it's so weird.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It is. And I was like, do you think. Converse. Like, they are also having this conversation about getting away with murder. Like, it's normal.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, her name is Emily Longley. She was a fudgeing person. Your son murdered her in cold blood because he's an insecure fucking loser that you raised, you stupid bitch.

[Jillian Benzavale]

So, like, it's just. You never talk about women like that. So it's just wild.

[Patrick Hines]

She deserves it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know she does. She absolutely does.

[Patrick Hines]

Like you did. You, like, you knew exactly who he was and you supported it. You encouraged it. And it's like, you know, I just don't understand. And it's like, she's a real person. Again, her name is Emily Longley. Like, I don't understand how you can be so callous about it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And not be horrified at your son who's mad at you now. You might be next.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We were. No joke. But we were talking about.

[Patrick Hines]

Fucking killed his mom, too. I hate her. I hate her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know she's awful. But, like, the fact that he feels so comfortable with his parents to give the list of the Google search of, like, how do I get away with murder?

[Patrick Hines]

He's been running that house since before. Before he was born.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

The minute they have a precious son. Oh, my God. The minute they found out it was a boy, he's been running that entire house.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

So July 19th, they're all arrested. The parents are arrested for perverting the course of justice, Obstruction of justice. The killer is arrested for the same thing. Plus the murder of Emily Long.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. I put perverting the course of justice in pink.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Because it feels like it needs to be in pink. Perverting the course of justice.

[Patrick Hines]

That's exactly what they did.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Could not be clearer.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

So Simon, the prosecutor is like, this.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Was a shocking case of domestic violence.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It didn't matter that they were young.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

And the relationship was quite short. I began to build the case with the police and start the preparations ultimately for the trial.

[Patrick Hines]

Didn't matter that they're young. It didn't matter that they were only dating for a few months. I'm like, thank you.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's going to use everything in the trial. The text, the witness statements, the CCTV footage, the voicemails, the letter Emily wrote asking him to please stop being aggressive. Please stop threatening to kill me. The COVID product, AKA the audio, found. They bugged the house. It goes together. It's a compelling picture.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Can you imagine the day they realized the house was bugged? Like, the way, like, I mean, wouldn't you give a million dollars who had been gorgeous? It is scrumptious. Because they're like, well, you'll never be able to prove it. It's not like you have recordings of us saying it exactly how we did it.

[Patrick Hines]

They must have not even believed what they were hearing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know. And what a great day to know that. Today's the day we're gonna play this for that son of a bitch.

[Patrick Hines]

With everything, like, all the voice met, like, his own voice. His text to his mother. And they're like. Even on top of that, they're like, well, we need to find out exactly how he killed her. Like, they need that for the jury. So this Professor Jason guy, he's a forensic physician. He basically comes in and he's like.

[Jillian Benzavale]

He does not appreciate you not knowing his last name.

[Patrick Hines]

I have it. Jason Payne James.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I'm just like, I don't care. I love. That was exactly what I was thinking, But I was just like, this man, he will correct you and make you fall off.

[Patrick Hines]

He feels like a regional theater director. Like a community theater director. Jason Payne James. It's a very. He has a scarf.

[Jillian Benzavale]

How many poodles does he have?

[Patrick Hines]

Four.

[Jillian Benzavale]

What's his favorite drink?

[Patrick Hines]

Mai Tai. No. A mudslide. Mudslides all time of day.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And his cast parties are the best.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, he's the one where it's like, oh, you brought red. We're eating fish. It's like, we can drink whatever we want.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Jason, Pain, James.

[Patrick Hines]

But, no, we like him. Because he basically says, yes, she absolutely could have been strangled. You don't need bruises to prove that. Like, he's the expert that they need.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You know what I was thinking? And, like, this is speculating on Emily's death, and I don't mean this to be, like, ghoulish in any way, but my thought was that, like, suffocating her with a pillow wouldn't have left any marks. That's what I thought happened here.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, yeah. I mean, that could have been exactly what happened. And that mark on her neck was from the violent fight they had. It's April 2012. The trial finally starts, and for the first time, the family has to hear the awful details of, like, just how abusive this guy was, like, to their daughter, to their sister, to their friend.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. And, like, the dad is genuinely shocked that people knew what was going on and nobody said anything. And that is a. As a parent, as a friend, whatever. That would be my main takeaway, too. Sorry. He threatened to kill her how many times?

[Patrick Hines]

Many.

[Jillian Benzavale]

He smashed her head into a fudgeing table.

[Patrick Hines]

He told his mommy he was going.

[Jillian Benzavale]

To do it, like, hours before he did it.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, he told everyone.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It was not a secret.

[Jillian Benzavale]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

So. And, like, as all of this is coming out, the killer is just being a total nightmare in the courtroom. Like, he's bored. He's over it. No remorse. Like, this is a waste of time. He's annoyed by the whole thing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And just to add to the list of people who knew, there's a friend who testifies who's like, oh, yeah. The day before he killed her, they.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Had gone for a walk into a. A wooded area near Turner's home address, and they had discussed how he was gonna do it, whether he was gonna set fire to her or I think he was gonna drown her. And they practiced this chokehold.

[Patrick Hines]

They had conversations about, like, all the options of how he could possibly horribly murder Emily Lambert.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And the friend who had the chokehold practice on him wants the Nobel Peace Prize for being here to testify.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, he was almost killed during the practice murder.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's scared. Like, again, I know. Like, the murder happened the next day. I don't know how much time there was, but, like, when. When someone, like, practices murder on you.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

You just. You got to make a move.

[Jillian Benzavale]

You got to make.

[Patrick Hines]

Those are the rules. I don't make them. But I agree.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And I wonder, maybe he Called the fudgeing murderers piece of shit parents. And they didn't do anything about it.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean that's the other thing, right? Like this guy, this asshole has parents who are going to protect him. So even if like you tell your mom and then my mom calls your mom and like you're this mom, like nothing's going to happen.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know, I know. I mean like when, Yeah, I mean you're right. When a person like this makes a decision that he's going to ruin somebody's life, he's going to do that until he's done.

[Patrick Hines]

And maybe you would think as a parent, I don't know, but maybe you would think like, well, to get him the help he needs, I'll tell his parents, I won't call the cops and ruin his life. If he, if he's like, you know, a 19 year old kid, maybe he just needs help. You, you think, you hope, right, that the parents are going to do the right thing?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So I don't know if the parents, I'm sure the parents, but he had that, that warning at 16. So like this has been brewing for quite liter.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Told his mother he was going to kill her like hours before he did at one point.

[Patrick Hines]

And she went to bed like, good night, love you. She had to get this, don't do anything inappropriate. She said, yeah. At one point the lawyer goes, you know, you don't seem that upset that your girlfriend is dead. The killer responds, it's been like a year.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Gasp. Everyone in the courtroom gasped. So the prosecution proves this is not self defense, which is a ridiculous notion to begin with. Yes, because it was a chokehold, which is not a defensive move.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Like just definitively no. And Emily's DNA was on the killer's shirt sleeve, her saliva. Which means that his arm was around her neck.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Give me a fucking break.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

And then of course the audio from the killer and his parents being like, I killed her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And then I, and then I googled how to get away with murder, like.

[Patrick Hines]

Here'S how I did it. And then he's yelling at his mom for like her fuck ups and all like, like God.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So speaking of the parents, now the mother, mommy is trying to paint her precious son as a victim. But they play the 999 call where she pretends that Emily was strangled by her necklace.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

It really exposed her as somebody who.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Knew what her son had done, but simply was prepared to go through a.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Charade of a 999 call, letting the.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Authorities think that this was an unexplained.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Death when she knew plainly it wasn't.

[Patrick Hines]

Like she's ready, willing and able to lie for her son, who is a murderer who. She totally knew what he was capable of.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And then we see a reporter chasing her down the street. I love that guy.

[Patrick Hines]

I hope he got her.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I mean, you know what I mean? Like, he's like, this is your opportunity to explain why you were helping your son get away with that.

[Patrick Hines]

Now the entire world knows what you did.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And what you allowed to have happen. I know you had a copy of the.

[Jillian Benzavale]

They're gonna talk to you. They're gonna talk on a podcast.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, you. I hope you're listening. You dumb. You waste of space and life. You and your son. He's in a pod listening to you.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's.

[Patrick Hines]

This apple does not fall far.

[Jillian Benzavale]

A wild new side of you.

[Patrick Hines]

Like what. What an.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, she. I know the killer would have done this anyway, but, like, you could have maybe helped it. You could have taught him to, like, deal with his crazy, insane insecurity in a different way. Like, you knew, he told you many times what he was going to do.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Without getting too into the details. Like, we are dealing with a family who has a son who's going to be real. I've got my eye on this kid, and I'm like, he's gonna be one of the people that we cover someday. And watching the parents willfully ignore it, it is the most unconscionable thing I have ever seen. And he's got all this. He's got all of the. The symptoms.

[Patrick Hines]

I know it must be hard to admit that this is what you're dealing with as a parent. I'm sure I don't wish it on anyone. Well, but I don't.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I don't wish it on most people.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a horrible life. I'm sure it's a completely destabilizing, devastating, horrible thing. But, like, that's the gig. That's the gig that you're a. You gotta do the right thing. That's it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

To me, it's so black and white and.

[Patrick Hines]

And all I know, it sucks.

[Jillian Benzavale]

People that I know that are also dealing with this family, watching it happen, it is. It's terrifying to watch.

[Patrick Hines]

You gotta do it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, it sucks.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm not taking away how much it sucks, but you gotta do it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So. May 21, 2012. The killer is guilty of murder. The parents are guilty of perverting the course of justice. And I'm like, thank God. Because you really never know.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, we've learned enough that we never know. So he gets life in prison with a minimum of 16 years.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Not enough time.

[Patrick Hines]

No, this has been like 13 years. I think. So I'm sure he'll try to appeal, but I think he's in fore.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I hope so. I mean, I know that the sentences are lighter over there, but I mean, my God, throw away the fucking.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, he was only 19. He's more than capable of. Of having this happen again. He's a danger to society for sure.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Not going to be rehabilitated in there. He's going to come out and be worse.

[Patrick Hines]

He's going to be worse. So the killer's parents get 27 months and like Emily's family has to live with this forever, knowing that these parents harbored a fugitive or whatever, you know, like help their son get away with murder. And they're just like, they do their best, they're preserving her memory. But they, they say like, they, at least they know that everyone involved was found guilty in some way. Like on the record, Hannah has a very cute dog to help her through this.

[Jillian Benzavale]

She does. And she's also got a cute little half brother. She's got two little half brothers. She said that her stepmother. So the dad gets remarried, they have two more kids. And Hannah says that the her two younger brothers are like the twins of her and Emily.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Which I just thought was so amazing. And like the wonder on Hannah's face when she's explaining that, like, she can't believe how much they're just like the two of them. It's kind of really beautiful.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And it ends with like all these warnings.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We know, we know that it's incredibly.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Difficult for anybody to report this.

[Jillian Benzavale]

We understand that. But the message always is that there is support.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

And to encourage the reporting of domestic violence to know that you have the support of the authorities and ultimately you have the support of a prosecution.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, that's great. But also like, when you almost die during a practice murder, can you please tell someone? Cuz that can also save a life.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And truly like, okay, just to run down the things when you almost die in a practice murder, please tell somebody. When you're a parent, you got to raise your boys to not be like this. But to also recognize when their male friends are dangerous and need to be reported on. And then like thirdly, can we all take care of each other, please?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Can we all get a grip?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. Thank you. Well said.

[Patrick Hines]

Just do the thing. I know it's hard sometimes. I know, I get it, we're all tired. But just do it. Like maybe you can save a life. Wouldn't that be something? Wouldn't that be a nice thing to do?

[Jillian Benzavale]

That'd be a great thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Please.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God, girl. We did manhunts.

[Patrick Hines]

Manhunt. The murder of Emily Longley.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God. We're supposed to tell them about the patreon.

[Patrick Hines]

Patreon. And YouTube.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah, patreon is awesome. We just did Amy Bradley. We're doing. Oh, my God. The one that we just did. Mr. And Mrs. Murder that we're about to do.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That case is really, really wild. That documentary, just like you said, is so, so, so well done.

[Patrick Hines]

Really crazy twists and turns. If you don't know the case.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And I did know the case and I didn't see the twists and turns coming.

[Patrick Hines]

And a whole lot of patience. We'll get into it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

But some great women.

[Patrick Hines]

We'll get into it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. And the YouTube. Go subscribe. 70,000 followers and counting. It is so exciting to see us being reborn on YouTube.

[Patrick Hines]

Was there just an earthquake?

[Jillian Benzavale]

No, that was me. That was me.

[Patrick Hines]

We get earthquakes now sometimes.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I missed it. I was outside when that earthquake happened and I didn't even feel it.

[Patrick Hines]

I thought we had another earthquake. Okay. Anyway. Yes. Where were we? YouTube. Yes. Go find us. And if you're into that kind of thing.

[Jillian Benzavale]

True Crimes. This podcast, we are super fun to watch. What are we doing next, Girl?

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Ruby red handed stealing America's most famous pair of shoes. It's about the Judy Garland slippers.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's going to be pretty gay.

[Patrick Hines]

It's very gay. I had a lot of issues with the documentary you did. Yeah. I'm happy to talk about Judy Garland and the wizard of Oz. Like, I'm happy to have some light fare.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

But yeah, we'll get into it. Ruby red handed on Hulu.

[Jillian Benzavale]

My friend Nicholas is Liza Minnelli's gods. Done. So I get. I know I get lots of Liza Minelli impressions a lot. It's what? It's really great.

[Patrick Hines]

What's that like?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Wild. It's a. It's wild. And I get great stories.

[Patrick Hines]

Are they in touch a lot?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like now?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Huh?

[Patrick Hines]

Like today?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah. Well, maybe not today. But yes, they are in touch all the time.

[Patrick Hines]

Does he Sierra a lot?

[Jillian Benzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Wow.

[Jillian Benzavale]

That's her godson.

[Patrick Hines]

That's crazy.

[Jillian Benzavale]

It's really wild. So maybe, maybe I'll. Maybe I'll ask for a Judy or Eliza story.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And I'll you show. Share it with you. Next week.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, great.

[Jillian Benzavale]

All right, fam. Stay tuned for the trailer for that. We love you.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. We love you.

[Jillian Benzavale]

All right, bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye. And tell on someone if they have to. Don't, like, be a rat, but, like, if you can save a life, you should do it.

[Jillian Benzavale]

And be a good parent. If you're like a practice murder. Thank you so much.

[Patrick Hines]

Practice murder.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Like, don't even. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Just tell.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Okay, bye. Are we done now?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Okay, fine. The ruby slippers are definitely the most famous shoes in the world. That is the Rolls Royce. You say you have the ruby slippers, and everybody you meet is going to want to see the damn shoes. When the shoes were stolen.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Stolen, stolen, stolen.

[Jillian Benzavale]

I couldn't believe it. One of the biggest heists of all time.

[Patrick Hines]

What would the shoes be worth today? A lot.

[Jillian Benzavale]

The Judy Garland Museum in Grand Rapids suffered a major loss. The people that broke in knew exactly what they wanted because it was the only thing stolen.

[Patrick Hines]

One sequin was found at the scene. There were no fingerprints. It was kind of the perfect crime.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Why? Judy Garland put the red ruby slippers on the map a long time ago. France has the Mona Lisa. We have Judy Garland and the wizard of Ives. We like solving crimes, and this one is exciting.

[Patrick Hines]

The investigation was not done.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Well, we've got some egg on our face of the department.

[Patrick Hines]

I had one little girl call and say, I know where the shoes are. They're under my house.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Why did they take them?

[Patrick Hines]

I think it's connected to something way bigger. This whole story keeps getting weirder and weirder.

[Jillian Benzavale]

A reward has just been offered for $1 million. The real gem behind all of this is the story of where they've been.

[Patrick Hines]

We work together with the FBI.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Heaven only knows how many feet went into that pair of shoes. It's kind of like in the movies.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

How it all comes down.

[Patrick Hines]

It did feel like everybody was a suspect. There is more to this than anybody realizes.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Who knows where this is going to lead?

[Patrick Hines]

It's gonna get real.

[Jillian Benzavale]

Only stupid, vindictive people. I'd love to spit them in the eye.