458: Sin City Clickbait (Deadly Influence S1E1)

Summary

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True Crime Obsessed – Episode 458: Sin City Clickbait (Deadly Influence S1E1)

Release Date: October 2, 2025
Hosts: Patrick Hines & Jenny Benzavalli

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Episode Overview

In this lively recap, Patrick and Jenny dive into the first episode of Hulu’s “Deadly Influence”—focusing on the rise and violent fall of Ash Armand, a Las Vegas sex worker turned reality star and self-styled influencer. The hosts dissect how influencer culture, male escorting, Vegas nightlife, and unchecked ego combine in a tale of deception, drugs, and ultimately, murder. With TCO’s signature blend of sass, empathy, and pop-culture references, they explore how the lure of Sin City’s excesses can end in tragedy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The World of Male Escorts & ‘Cowboys for Angels’

• The episode opens with discussion around Cowboys for Angels, a male companion service catering to women (03:00).
  • Jenny: “It’s a boyfriend experience with no strings attached.” (02:55)
  • Patrick jokes about wishing there was a grinder for foot rubs (03:41).
  • Discussion about the website’s all-female staff offering comfort and the legal gray area around sex work in Vegas (03:16-10:08).
• The hosts emphasize destigmatizing sex work, with both supporting the right to safe, consensual adult transactions.

2. Ash Armand’s Reality TV Stardom

• Ash (real name Akshaya Kubayak) is scouted for the agency and quickly cast on the Showtime series “Gigolos”—a reality show following male escorts in Vegas (11:17).
  • Described as a “spiritual Zen warrior” with a unique look (“They keep comparing him to Fabio”; 06:20-06:25).
  • The show creates personas for each performer: “Nick Hawk was the bad boy... Vin Armani the intellectual... Ash Armand, the spiritual Zen warrior.” (11:34)
  • Jenny: “Zen and warrior don’t really go together.” (11:54)
• By season three, Ash is a fan favorite, booking tons of appointments thanks to his new celebrity (12:17).

3. The Emergence of Influencer Culture

• With Instagram’s boom in 2012, Ash expands his reach, building a hypersexualized online persona (14:17-17:59).
  • Brent Holmes: “He’s trying to build himself up as a brand.” (16:19)
• Discussion of influencer privilege—gaining free entry to clubs, restaurants, gifts, travel (18:12).
• Jenny: “Building his brand. Business is booming… this is where we know everything is about to go to sh*t.” (16:33)

4. The Vegas Social Scene & Tucci Cash

• Ash starts dating Tucci Cash, a powerful Vegas-based influencer with millions of followers, becoming a “Vegas power couple” (20:04).
  • Jenny: “She is the more famous one… they were a Vegas power couple.” (21:00-21:52)
  • Ash becomes a “kept man,” reliant on Tucci for status and opportunity (24:32).

5. Ash’s Downward Spiral

• After Tucci ends their relationship due to Ash’s controlling nature and jealousy, Ash’s career unravels (29:32-30:50).
  • Jenny: “She doesn’t have time for a jealous nightmare.” (29:32)
  • He’s dropped from Cowboys for Angels and the reality show is canceled (33:26-33:45).
• Ash desperately tries to save his fading influence through increasingly erratic behavior: starting his own company, losing gigs due to unreliability, and fueling steroid use (36:12-39:47).
• He begins using social media for desperate spiritual branding (“...only when we are brave enough to explore the darkness… infinite power of our light.” - Jenny, 37:47).

6. New Relationships & Mushrooms

• Ash finds a new girlfriend, Tia Evans, another influencer (39:10), and explores psychedelics as “spiritual healing.”
  • Allegedly grooms Tia into microdosing mushrooms (41:43).
• By 2020, Ash reinvents himself as a shaman-like wellness guru, offering “spiritual healing” and mushroom ceremonies to vulnerable clients (42:26-43:24).

7. The Tragic Fate of Harleen Dulay

• Harleen, a lonely cancer survivor seeking healing, books a session with Ash (43:37).
• They take psychedelics together and travel on “spiritual retreats,” with unclear boundaries between service and romance (50:49-51:50).
  • Jenny: “He’s still really upset about his career… lots and lots and lots and lots of mushrooms and steroids… just a controlling, jealous nightmare.” (51:22)
• Ash’s drug use (mushrooms + steroids) leads to frightening hallucinations and psychosis (52:12).
  • Tia: “He told me the devil was trying to disguise himself as his loved ones…” (52:16)

8. The Murder of Harleen Dulay

• On July 16, 2020, Ash calls 911 in an unhinged, rambling state, claiming his friend (Harleen) is unresponsive after taking mushrooms (57:11-59:41).
  • Patrick: “This call… is so premeditated. The tone.” (57:18)
• The autopsy reveals Harleen was brutally beaten to death, her jaw pulverized, and blood found throughout the apartment—even inside the washing machine (60:05-61:02).
  • Brent Holmes: “There is pulverization of the jaw, teeth fragments found in the stomach.” (60:05)
• Hosts express horror at the violence and question the blame placed on mushrooms when evidence suggests steroids/mental unraveling were key contributors (61:42).

9. Aftermath & Reflections

• Ash is convicted of manslaughter and mayhem (malicious disfiguring) and sentenced to 8–20 years; eligible for parole in 2028 (63:27-66:18).
  • Jenny: “It was a violent, aggressive, brutal attack and senseless.” (64:10)
• Tia reflects on her narrow escape: “It could have been me.” (62:55)
• Tucci moves on, thriving in her post-Ash career, now happily married and making OnlyFans content with her husband (65:32).
• Ash is rumored to be linked to “freak-off” sex parties involving Sean Combs (Diddy), per People Magazine reports (65:45).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Male Escorts:

• “Super boring. One thing that’s actually cool though… you will be working with our all-female staff… more comfortable for you if you’re talking to another woman.” – Jenny (03:01)
• “Can I just go on the record and say I’m in support of all of this? If you want to be able to pay for sex from a consenting adult, you should certainly be able to do it.” – Patrick (03:27)

On Fame & Vegas:

• “Vegas is exactly what it is. And it knows that. And that’s all it wants to be.” – Jenny (21:00)
• “It’s like Showgirls—Nomi could have gone anywhere. She went to Vegas, baby.” – Patrick (21:04)

On Social Media Influence:

• “He can go anywhere, which basically means, like, you can get into the clubs and restaurants… but because he has like hundreds of thousands of followers, he can...” – Jenny (18:31)
• “I think the influencer culture is so wild. I love scrolling and just being like, what are we talking about?” – Patrick (15:42)

On Ash’s Downfall:

• “He’s posting really, like, semi-pornographic pictures on his social… losing everything. So he’s doing everything he can think of to maintain… the followers and the money.” – Patrick (37:04)
• “He’s still not doing that great… lots and lots and lots and lots of mushrooms and then some more mushrooms. He’s also on steroids… the substances are not helping at all.” – Jenny (51:22)

On Violence and Aftermath:

• “There is pulverization of the jaw, teeth fragments found in the stomach.” – Brent Holmes (60:05)
• “It was a violent, aggressive, brutal attack and senseless.” – Jenny (64:10)

On Reflection:

• “It could have been me.” – Tia Evans (62:56)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Cowboys for Angels and the Male Escort World: 02:55–10:08
• Gigolos Reality Show, Ash’s Persona: 11:17–13:14
• Influencer Culture in Vegas: 14:17–18:12
• Tucci Cash and Power Couple Dynamics: 20:04–25:00
• Ash’s Downfall – Jealousy, Drugs, and Career Crash: 29:32–36:12
• Ash’s Spiritual “Wellness” Pivot and Harleen’s Arrival: 41:43–43:37
• Tragic Murder of Harleen Dulay: 57:11–61:42
• Legal Outcome and Closing Reflections: 63:27–66:18

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Tone & Style

The hosts blend humor (often dark), compassion for victims, sharp media analysis, and rapid-fire asides referencing pop culture (Showgirls, The Spice Girls, Gilded Age TikTok). Despite their levity, they condemn violence and manipulative behavior, advocating for respect, safety, and skepticism toward “gurus" and wellness scams.

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Final Takeaways

• Influence, when unchecked, can have deadly consequences—especially when intersected with fragile egos, drugs, and the performative nature of Vegas nightlife.
• Mental health struggles, steroid abuse, and a craving for fame left a devastating aftermath for Ash’s victims.
• Legitimate wellness practices must be clearly distinguished from exploitative, self-styled “healers.”
• The Vegas influencer scene, while glamorous, is fraught with competition, jealousy, and very real personal risk.

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Closing:
True Crime Obsessed continues to bring heart, humor, and a shot of real talk to the darkest corners of true crime, making even Vegas’ wildest tales accessible and engaging for all listeners.

Transcript

[Patrick Hines]

Are you going to tell them about your new jacket or you going to make me do it?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, I thought it was cooler than it was outside. So I wore this jacket that I don't really get to wear, but it's like a vintage like racer jacket that.

[Patrick Hines]

I got so cute.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

At a great store called Rosie's Vintage. Not an ad, but.

[Patrick Hines]

Not an ad. You're looking good. You wore it for Vegas day.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I guess so, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Hi. Jenny Benzavalli.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Hello, Patrick. Hyes.

[Patrick Hines]

We don't have anything to tell them in the intro for the bonus episode, so tell me a good joke.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I was just going to tell them that I love them. Thanks for listening.

[Patrick Hines]

That's also a really nice thing to say. You know what? I love them too. And I'm also very glad they're listening.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I also spent like a lot of time looking up male companions today, which I was not expecting.

[Patrick Hines]

Listen, I love the idea they're just companion. It's. We just.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I read the whole time together. I'll tell you about it.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh my God. Really?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's all very like. We'll get there. Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

I also just while we're here. I love that like to straight people it's like so scandalous.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's like not. I was like, oh. I just, I. It's a whole thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That's not even me. All that caffeinated girl.

[Patrick Hines]

What are we talking about today?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

This is our 14th bonus episode of the year. It's a new series. The series is called Deadly Influence. This is the first episode of the first season. It's called Sin City. Clickbait on Hulu. Quick note. There's a three part series about this story on Paramount called Sin City Gigolo. And because we have so much to get to on Patreon.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That this was a good way to just tell that story.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, gigolo is a silly word.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's a very silly word. And the song, Justin, like, give me a break. I know, it's a funny word. David Lee Roth covered that song. Like, what are we doing?

[Patrick Hines]

Especially for like the. What it actually is. You know what I mean? It's like a male sex worker.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's a companion. If you just want to have a nice time and go to the movies.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Innocently.

[Brent Holmes]

Tucci Cash is the closest thing Las Vegas has to a mega influencer.

[Patrick Hines]

She's internationally known.

[Brent Holmes]

I would consider her a souped up Ben Ron Bugatti with all the options and amenities. And then you get Tia Evans.

[Tia Evans]

There was definitely a draw to the world. I mean the Money, the fame, the parties, all shiny.

[Brent Holmes]

A guy like Ashermond.

[Patrick Hines]

Today we're gonna be doing a 20 minute explosive sex.

[Brent Holmes]

And these influencers are feeding off of the backdrop of Las Vegas. Sex, clubbing, drugs. Somebody's gonna be able to provide it for you. That's Vegas ideology.

[Patrick Hines]

We learn from you, bro.

[Brent Holmes]

What you end up with is a really dangerous cocktail. Vegas has a lot of hidden people.

[Patrick Hines]

That are running from something. You gotta really be on your A game or you'll just get eaten by the sharks. We're in Miami, Florida, March 2011. We learn about a male escort service called Cowboys for Angels. To which I said, this whole website is super no homo. It's for girls. Eyes only.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They say 100 times. It's straight men for straight women. It's a boyfriend experience with no strings attached.

[Patrick Hines]

Boring.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Super boring. One thing that's actually cool, though, because I was on the website for quite some time today. Something that is cool. I don't know if this is real or not, but it says when scheduling an appointment, you will be working with our all female staff who are ready to answer your questions. I can understand that if you're someone who wants to use these services.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It would be more comfortable for you if you're talking to another woman who's answering your questions 100%. When they said all female staff, I was like, oh, I was not expecting to be impressed by this website at all. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Can I just go on the record and say I'm in support of all of this? If you want to be able to pay for sex from a consenting adult, you should certainly be able to do it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I agree. I also think if you just want to have a nice evening out, you do that too.

[Patrick Hines]

And I still taxi people who want that. I was saying to my friend Adam the other day, I'm like, I need a grinder for somebody to come over and rub my feet.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Is that a thing?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yes. It should be Cowboys for ages. I know it's called Grinder, but one.

[Patrick Hines]

Time, but just to rub my feet. I don't want anything else. Just come rub my feet.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That's what I mean. You can find someone who's super into that.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

All right, great.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Mike and I were at Swing 46 once on 46th street, which is not.

[Patrick Hines]

A swingers club, it's a swing dancing club.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But we saw. I don't mean to, like, tell tales out of school, but there is a guy there who's like a dancer. Excellent. Easy on the eyes, good company. And like, he was with a much older woman, had her out on the dance floor. And when we were talking to some people, it's like, oh, he's here all the time. Or there are women who just want to go out and dance with a good dancer and have a nice evening out. And like, that's literally all it is sometimes. It's not that it's a little more than that, but I'm like, I could tell what is better than dancing with a good dancer? And you're like, you just lead and I'll just be flung around 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

I couldn't agree more. So this website, Cowboys for Angels, is four Cowboys four number four Angels, a.

[Ace Smith]

Male companion agency for women. We're considered the best of the best. We want to give you the perfect boyfriend experience with just no strings attached.

[Patrick Hines]

No strings attached. Can I ask a quick question? What is the perfect boyfriend experience?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I think it's all relative, isn't it? Is that my point?

[Patrick Hines]

I guess, yeah. What's yours?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Not this.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Okay.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Dancing, like, going. You know what's very annoying about the series is that no one has a lower third.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, thank you. Because I went back to. This guy's name is Garon. We get it later in an angry text message, I had to go back and put it. Does he not want us to know his name?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I think it's just a poor oversight by the series 1000.

[Patrick Hines]

I was like, it must just be.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Me because in the closed captions it'll say Garren James. And I'm like, thanks.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So. But there's no real lower third here.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank God. Okay. Thank God it's not just me. But he was looking for new male models. He was using a site called Model Mayhem.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Mayhem used to be huge.

[Patrick Hines]

What is it?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It was a site where models are. And it was like, mostly models could just put up their portfolio and get, you know, it was like actors access. But it was just like very model heavy.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It used to be a very big site.

[Patrick Hines]

Can we talk about modeling in general?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Sure. It's.

[Patrick Hines]

What a wild gig.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean? You just. You're pretty and you get paid for it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And Chrissy, I know it's harder than that, but I'm just saying, like, in general, you're just like, the pretty people get to be paid to be pretty. That's amazing.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, it's amazing.

[Patrick Hines]

That's all.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So this guy Garon, who I think is straight, we never really get an answer on this, but he is stopped dead in his tracks when he sees a guy named Akshaya Kubayak, and I gotta tell you, this guy's pretty stunning.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I get, like, whatever. You know, long hair. They keep, like, comparing him to Fabio.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Fabio, whatever.

[Ace Smith]

His look was so unique, so different from the men that I represented at the time. He had long, luscious hair. And his profile also said that Akshaya has worked as an international male mod most of his life. He is now specializing in the art of massage.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Specializing in the art of massage. Like, I. Okay. Thanks for the dog whistle.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, okay.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. Travel down the road. Back again, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

Rocket Money is back. Fam. As you know, Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel. That's the best part. Your unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending. It helps you lower your bills so you can grow your savings.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. Here's what I love about Rocket Money. It shows all of your expenses in one place.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Most importantly, the subscriptions you forgot about, because that happened. We've all done it. Don't feel bad about it. We've all done it. And so if you see a subscription you no longer want, Rocket Money will help you cancel it.

[Patrick Hines]

And they love you. They do this thing that is amazing. They will even negotiate to lower the bills for you. So the app automatically scans your bills to find opportunities to save and then goes to work to get you better deals. They'll even talk to customer service so you don't have to.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Here's the thing. Also, you can get alerts if your bills increase in price, because sometimes, like, they don't. These companies don't tell you.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So it's good that Rocket Money totally has your back. If there's, like, unusual activity in your accounts or if you're close to going over your budget, even when you're doing something good, they're all about the positive.

[Patrick Hines]

Reinforcement, let me tell you. A couple months ago, we made a charitable donation for, like, a big night. We were planning for it. We knew it was happening. I got an email from Rocket Money immediately saying that it was, like, an unrecognized person. We've never paid before for, like, a large amount. And they were on top of that.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They're just giving you a heads up.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jenny Benzavalli]

Go to RocketMoney.com obsessed today.

[Patrick Hines]

That's RocketMoney.com obsessed RocketMoney.com obsessed. Fam. Can you tell that we really use this?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

We seriously, really do. Dashboard has changed my life.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. Truly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So he. This Garen guy reaches out to this model, instantly drives down to Miami to interview this guy in person.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And Garen's like, not only was I blown away by how stunning he was, but he was, like, so Zen and so calm and so amazing. And when you hear what this absolute piece of shit did, I'm like, where's the Zen?

[Patrick Hines]

I know. And, like, this guy. Well, when we get there, we'll get there. But, like, I think it's all an act. Like, I think this person is fueled by rage at all times.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Full of shit, this guy.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And Garen fell for it. Sorry.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, And Garen wanted to fall for it. You know what I mean? Like. Like, this guy's a product to Garen.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. He didn't really care that much.

[Patrick Hines]

No.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And it's. It's. It makes. I think some people think make it because we hate when people do this.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But it's like, don't exaggerate. It's already scary. You know, it would be scary if he's not Zen and then did this horrible thing. But I think Garrett's like, oh, for the sake of the story, I'll just say he was like a Zen. Got it.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Got a. Sorry. I would never know.

[Patrick Hines]

So this guy, he gets a contract with Cowboys for Angels. Quote. His reviews were phenome. How do you review on the DL, like, what really happened?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Well, here are some quotes. He made all my dreams come true. Oh, God, what an incredible night. I want to book him again and again. And I'm like, so he's having sex. Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, also. That's fine.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That's fine. But the terms of service on the website.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Are very, very, very clear that you are not paying for sex, but in Nevada.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Depending on the county, I guess. Like, it's. It's not legal in Vegas, but it's legal right outside Vegas.

[Patrick Hines]

But truly, I think the company is saying we are not telling our employees that they have to have sex with you. That's the.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Why.

[Patrick Hines]

The terms of.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And it's very clear of, like, you cannot talk about money exchanging for sex. You are paying for the companionship. Yes, that's it. And then it's sort of. If you really want to look for it and read between the lines, it's kind of like. But if it happens Meanwhile, that is.

[Patrick Hines]

The first thing discussed when the guy.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Shows up at the house 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. So Garan is also the creative consultant on a show called Gigolos that was on Showtime.

[Patrick Hines]

Once again, that is the silliest word.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's a very silly word.

[Patrick Hines]

I want that to be the name of my next book. Gigolos.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Gigolo.

[Patrick Hines]

Or Gigolos, like Gigolos. Patrick Hines.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Great. You know, it's gotta be kind of a little bit of a Vegas aesthetic, which is so fun. Like old school Vegas aesthetic.

[Patrick Hines]

Me and like, in like a tux or something with, like, rolling the dice.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Sure.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. As I'm getting slightly older, I'm reconsidering my thoughts on Vegas. I feel like I would. I think that I could maybe go and enjoy myself now.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I think if Vegas is done right, it can be extremely fun.

[Patrick Hines]

And I always think of you saying that and that, so it must be true. And Steve went there once and he had a great time. He would, like, did a dance contest at some games. Gay club.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, fun.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, I think it could be fun if you do it right.

[Patrick Hines]

I went there with some not really fun people. The only time I've ever been, so that sucks.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That'll do it.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And then you associate it with them forever.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I'm gonna try to let that go.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So he puts this. This guy onto the show and like, you know, thrust him into the limelight. No pun intended.

[Patrick Hines]

I do kind of love a reality. I, like, I. This feels like a reality show. I would watch for all of the obvious.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Well, everyone had their own Persona. Kind of like the Spice Girls.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Ace Smith]

Nick Hawk was the bad boy. We had Brace, who was the elegant gentleman. Then we had Vin Armani, who was the intellectual type. Ash Armand, the spiritual Zen warrior.

[Patrick Hines]

Every season they premiere a new guy. And this guy Akshaya was gonna be the new guy for 2012.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. So it's season three. And now he's Ash Armand, a spiritual Zen warrior. And I'm like, well, Zen and warrior don't really go together.

[Patrick Hines]

Truly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But not the point, I guess.

[Patrick Hines]

They say he's compassionate and loving. Good for him.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, he's not at all self. Self centered. Wrong. Not at all egotistical.

[Patrick Hines]

Wrong.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And at the time, he was, like, walking the walk. Like, allegedly. He really was this, like, Zen warrior.

[Patrick Hines]

But he's a big hit with the viewers. They love him. And so he's killing it on the TV show. And he's like, booking tons of appointments.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And you know, women are breaking down in tears after their, quote, experiences with him. And I'm like, why are we just acting like he's giving massages and doing yoga? Why can we be honest about it?

[Patrick Hines]

I'm being very honest. The sex is the first thing to happen.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I mean, on this program we're watching.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You know, I think on. I mean, the show is called Gigolo, so obviously they are much more honest than this television show.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Maybe there are people out there who just do want the companionship. Maybe.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I think they want everything.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, well, boyfriend experience is, like, all encompassing. It feels like. Like he's gonna wake up in the morning and make you breakfast or whatever. I bet it's expensive as hell.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It is. Also on the website, you can go. You can do, like, long term.

[Patrick Hines]

You can.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You can, like, travel the world. Like, call about our travel packages is literally a sentence that's written on that website.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sure that that's a thing. Like, I'm gonna bring this, like, beautiful man with me to, like.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I mean, like, want to travel the world, but you don't want to do it alone. Call us about our travel packages.

[Patrick Hines]

Can you imagine being that rich that you can just, like, like, you can, like, pay some hot guy to just, like, go with you?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Hey, what's her name from? Hey, beautiful. Instead of giving scammers $500,000, do this right.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She had money to burn.

[Patrick Hines]

That's true, you fam. If you're not on the page in hey, beautiful. This lady, it's sad, but she gets scammed a lot. She ended up giving the scammer $1.6 million as he's like, I am scamming you. I am scamming you. Give me more money.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You scammed another scammer who was like, I used to be a scammer, but I'm going to help you find the scammer, I promise. I'm not a scammer anymore.

[Patrick Hines]

Send me money.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Okay, here's $500,000.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So Brent Holmes is here. He's a journalist, and he's like, I got to tell you, I'm thrilled about that reality show.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

His whole thing is like, we got to destigmatize sex work. I agree.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So in 2012, Instagram, the app is really starting to take off when Ash.

[Brent Holmes]

Starts his run on gigolos. In 2012, Instagram is just getting started, and it grows from 10 million at the beginning of that year to 100 million by the end of 2012.

[Ace Smith]

You get that big boom of influencers.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

This is great for the Gigolo show. And it's really great for this guy who goes by Ash now because he's using this to his advantage and he jumps at being an influencer. Probably before we even called them that.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, because people don't remember, like, but it used to be if you were going to be famous, you had to be Paris Hilton or Jodie Foster.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It used to be that you had to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, truly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

And these influencers, like, just get lots of followers. I love it. I mean, I don't like, follow that many influencers or whatever, but I think it's a cool thing that you can be good at something. Like, I follow all these queer historians, for example.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Well, that's very different. Where it's like, come with me. There's a guy on TikTok. I'm so sorry. Aaron will know. He is like, de influencing the influencers because these influencers are out of fucking control and they need to be put in their goddamn places. They're going, like, bragging, whatever, but he's like, run, don't walk it. And he does the influencer voice and he is always getting in trouble by the influencers and he doesn't give a fuck.

[Patrick Hines]

I need more. Give me more.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It'll be like, run, don't walk. It's to the biggest. And it's like, you just moved here a week, but it's like New York City influencers, specifically that, like, just moved here a week ago. They're 23 years old. They don't know what they're doing. And then they're like, yelling at the mom and pop French toast place for not giving them free shit or trying to charge $4,000 for a video of them, like, eating overeating, you know, like. Like tapping their nails on the bottle. Crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

I think the influencer culture is so wild. I love scrolling and just being like, what are we talking about?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Whenever I'm like, I can. Whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Put me back on my side of TikTok.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally. You know, I want to be on Gilded Age Talk. Is that should that.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You watch one video of the Gilded Age and you're on it, and then the algorithm will just serve you.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's very easy.

[Patrick Hines]

We're actually on Gilded Age Talk.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Step one, get off Instagram.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Get off Instagram reels and get back on Tik Tok. Well, yeah, you don't have to, but I'm just saying I feel like the algorithm on TikTok is really good.

[Patrick Hines]

Is better, I think.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

Send me all your. I'm getting a lot of it as it is, but send me all your gilded age reels. I want to see them all.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Okay, great. So this Ash guy is all over the Internet.

[Brent Holmes]

He launched his first Facebook page by July of 2012. He's got his Instagram page up and he's producing content, these hypersexualized images of him to try and build himself up as a brand.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Building his brand. Business is booming. Like, the Showtime show is a hit. Cowboys for Angels is booked solid. He's an influencer. Like, it couldn't get any better. And this is where we know everything is about to go to show.

[Patrick Hines]

Are we surprised that there's a big market for male gigolos? Yesterday?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

No. No.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. That's. Okay. Great. I love. Just because I remember when we were doing, like, the Ashley Madison thing, there was like, no women were subscribing to it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. They were all bots. I mean, because it was a predatory website.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You know, that was like, yeah, there should have been more women involved.

[Patrick Hines]

I love the idea of, like, women paying for a spicy night. I love it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I love it, too. Like, I don't get the big deal.

[Patrick Hines]

But that's the whole thing, is that it isn't a big deal. You know, it shouldn't be a big deal. You know, I'm a gay. My take on all of this is very skewed. You know what I mean? I want everyone to go out and have fun. As long as everybody's honest and everyone is consenting. Like, pay for your shit.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I just want everyone to be safe. That's really my thing. Happy and safe.

[Patrick Hines]

Couldn't agree more.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And conscious and consenting and human beings.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So now Brent reads us the description of this guy's Instagram channel.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Well, he's on YouTube now, and he's expanding and he's doing, quote, 20 minute explosive sex or size videos. I'm like, explosive. I know what that word means.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally. And I want to say that doing hip throw thrusts is. You can't make it look not sexual or doing, like, even, like, the hip circles or whatever you got to do as a warmup. Anyway, he's also doing fitness and nutrition. Like, enough.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, he want. Yeah. It's like, okay, like, whatever. And he's. Oh, sexual mastery. And I'm like, okay, whatever. It's working. Egg on my face. I guess.

[Patrick Hines]

I guess. But as we know, this is all happening in Vegas and They say in Vegas you can be famous if you have fame, money, or a lot of followers. And Ash, he. He's a small time celebrity in Vegas because he's got a big Instagram following.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So this is like the start of people getting things based on follower.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, I haven't gotten that much. I've only gotten a couple theater tickets.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, well, that's still nice.

[Patrick Hines]

My follower count's not that big, but it's like, you know, Broadway people send me tickets, I'll come to your show and post about it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Okay, great. That's it. Great.

[Patrick Hines]

Or like send me T shirts.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, sure.

[Patrick Hines]

Or like bottled water.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

Or anything. Okay, I'll post about it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Great.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Okay, good.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But because he has like hundreds of thousands of followers, he can. They say he can go anywhere, which basically means, like, you can get into the clubs and restaurants, I guess, which.

[Patrick Hines]

Also just like, can we get anything else for it? You know what I mean? I don't want to go to the clubs.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

This guy does.

[Patrick Hines]

I want to say straight people, I you so much. You know that. I do. But like, going to your clubs just looks awful. And we see, yes, we see all this B roll of them, like going and getting the free champagne and the bottle service with the sparkler. It's so loud.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's just. It's like, to what end?

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, and.

[Patrick Hines]

But there's something about it that at a gay club is fun for me that like, is not.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I want to go out and dance. That's what I want to do. I want a place with a dance floor. I want. And like the dance floor there is like.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's not like it feels unsafe for women at straight clubs or it just feels like you're going to be bothered and annoyed. You know what I mean? Gay clubs are fun.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Gay club, much more fun. They call it a culture of. Yes. Right. So it's like a culture of indulgence. And it could possibly lead to a lot of bad habits. I don't know, like drugs, when you're just like, oh my God, you're that guy. Here, have this thing. It just sort of leads to. It could possibly lead down a bad road.

[Patrick Hines]

Sure.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So it's 2014 by the middle of 2014.

[Brent Holmes]

Ash has been on gigolos for three seasons and he's become a real fan favorite. The success of all of his digital platforms translating to his pocket Pocketbook. He's making more money. He's also become more and more entrenched in the Las Vegas nightlife scene, making.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

A ton of Money. He's, like, famous in the Vegas nightlife.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, he did it. You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Good for you, Ash.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

If that's what he wanted to do, he's done it, then.

[Patrick Hines]

He's done it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You know who's doing it better? Tucci Cash, his new girlfriend.

[Patrick Hines]

How have I never heard of this person?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I'd never heard of her.

[Patrick Hines]

Is she still famous?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, yeah. She has, like, met multiple Instagram accounts now totaling, you know, millions of followers. Because at the time, she had, like, 6 million followers, and now she has, like. So she's a. She's Ash's new girlfriend. She's stunned. She's internationally known. She's a millionaire. And her friend is like, let me tell you, like, the influence this person has.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

The first time Tucci posted about this friend, the friend got 10,000 followers overnight.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, that's insane.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That's huge.

[Patrick Hines]

And we don't really know. I want to say this Tucci Cash person sounds awesome to me. She's like a boss. She. And they describe her as. As such, like, she's totally in charge of her own business and her own life, and she seems amazing. It's weird. I've never heard of her. It also, this. This is the first episode to be like, Vegas doesn't give a fuck about LA or New York. Like, Vegas is its own thing.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Vegas. I've always said about Vegas. Vegas is exactly what it is.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And it knows that. And that's all it wants to be. And as it should.

[Patrick Hines]

And the people who live there and are trying to make it there, it's very. It's like Showgirls. It's like, Nomi could have gone anywhere. She went to Vegas, baby.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

There's actually another episode that we're gonna do about. I think it's called Sin City Murders is the series about a showgirl. And. And it is. I mean, she's much more than that. But she. The whole thing was like, she wanted to be a dancer. She came to. She made it happen. It's very much that.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's so. Because you never hear about Vegas being, like, compared to LA or New York, because it feels very exactly what it is. This Tucci Cash person doesn't care about being famous in la. She only cares about being the biggest fish in Vegas. And she fucking did it right.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So the thing about Tucci, Tucci Cash.

[Ace Smith]

Has such a strong Instagram presence. She was more of an A lister than him. But those two together, they were definitely a Vegas power couple.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They make A point to tell us that she is the more famous one. And also though, that they were, quote, a Vegas power couple.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So they have the fame, the money, the drugs, the access, the excess. It's all like a very bad combination if you're the wrong kind of person for this.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And like, but also she would have been a power couple with whoever she chose.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She is. She's a power person.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Don't like, attach her to anyone. She's doing just fine. Married now. I'll give you an update later.

[Patrick Hines]

But like, and Ash is like, definitely benefiting from this. Like, his social media is growing, they're getting into all the clubs. Just like being seen with her and being in her life, legitimizing him in a way that he hadn't been able to do on his own.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. And you know, like, Vegas isn't for everyone, so I can imagine it might be hard to live there if you're someone who could get wrapped up in all of this kind of stuff and just like, want more, more, more.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, and like, notably Tucci's not here. You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She's not. She's in the other documentary though.

[Patrick Hines]

She. She seems awesome.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She's doing her fucking thing. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. I google. I googled her because I was like, why wasn't she here? Like, what's going on?

[Patrick Hines]

I'll. Okay, great.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Travel down the road.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. Cuz the gummies are just made to help you feel better. Like whether it's stress or discomfort or just needing a little relaxation or maybe we had one of those days where we recorded two really hard episodes in a row.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And the whole thing is, it is the best of the best. I've tried other CBD gummies. They use only the best part of the hemp plant, the flower for the purest and most potent cbd.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. And I love just to get a little like sciencey for a second. All products are third party lab tested and USDA organic to ensure safety and purity. And I know that sometimes people are like, oh, that's the fine print. Who cares? You should care about that.

[Patrick Hines]

You should.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I'm glad that cornbread is doing all of this.

[Patrick Hines]

And this is for anybody who's got distress or just like actual body discomfort or Sleeplessness. It helps with all of those things. I, like, swear by it. Anything Cornbread. I totally swear by same.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And also, if you're like me and would use CBD gummies for sleep, you're not groggy the next day. You're not, like, slow and sluggish because you're actually sleeping and getting the rest you need, and then you wake up feeling great.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jenny Benzavalli]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jenny Benzavalli]

Great. Enjoy it. And they're gummies. That's fun.

[Patrick Hines]

They're gummies, and they're delicious.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Adorable. We're told that Tucci is providing Ash with lavish trips around the world. So he's not like, they're making it clear that he wants to be famous, but being on Tucci's arm opened up a lot of opportunities for him, and.

[Patrick Hines]

He'S just accepting it. You know what I mean? Like. Like, it's great for him. He knows it's great for him. He's toeing the line.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But the thing is, like, what I think he'd probably hate to know, so I'm going to definitely say it.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brent Holmes]

Tucci is providing him with lavish trips around the world. He's being taken care of, kind of being in the position of a kept man. And Tucci's really in control. Control of that access, that success, that public image.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She has all the control. And for assholes like him, that never works. Well, he's not, like, proud to be next to her. He's not supported. He's. He's just like, oh, he wants to surpass her.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Instead of doing the, quote, power couple thing where it's like, we're just having fun. And, like, when you succeed, I succeed. And, you know, he's just, like, competing with her.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm not even saying this to go down a road, but it doesn't it feel like Travis and Taylor are the only people who have ever nailed that?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I think definitely, like, in recent memory.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Kathy Griffin was the one to be like. Kathy's like, I know all the legends like Stevie Nicks and Cher. I'm friends with all these people. She's like, never in the history of any woman in music have you seen her man at her shows, cheering her on in the way that he does. And, like, what a beautiful thing that must be. I think it is you know, I.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Think it is for both of them to be cheering on each other and to. And to be. I think in general, like, not just them specifically, but they're the biggest people doing it.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But being like, oh, you do this thing that I don't really know about and I want to learn about it. And for Taylor specifically, I don't want to get into it, but like, she is a lot of like, oh, she likes football. Now it's like.

[Patrick Hines]

Or she likes football.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She loves this person.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And she's interested in what he. You know, like. And I think people get that accusation a lot where it's like, oh, you're. What are you fucking cosplaying as this thing? Because you're. And it's like. Or, yeah, like sometimes people definitely, like, make the person they're dating their whole personality. And it's not healthy. But I think it's also kind of beautiful to be like, I didn't know anything about this and I wasn't interested in it until you. This person I really love and respect is making me see it in this different light. 100%. I think it happens a lot, but it's not really talked about in that good, positive way. So I think that's cool.

[Patrick Hines]

Just in general, let's support our spouses.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Just be fucking nicer to people all around each other.

[Patrick Hines]

All around. But like, in relationships in particular, be excited to go to your partner's office party and mingle and meet people and say nice things about your partner to their co workers.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. And it's easy.

[Patrick Hines]

It's easy.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And like, it's someone's like pretending to like something. Does it matter to you?

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Who cares?

[Patrick Hines]

God, shut up. Tucci's on our side.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Nicer. Either way, all this fame is going to this asshole's head, you know, Cuz it happened kind of fast and women are like fawning all over him all day long.

[Patrick Hines]

It's weird, cuz it's like, I wonder why, like, he really does have a different look and a different vibe from your classic, like, male American model. Like, we learned that he's half American, half Indian. He's got the long hair hair, and he's pretty to look at. And I get that he's attractive, but I don't really get the, like the va va va voom sex appeal.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. I think part of it must be maybe that, like, this was kind of. This was 2012. Like influencers were not a dime a dozen.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And maybe in that world. And also he's putting Sex out there in a very obvious way. And I think obviously that's going to get a lot of attention, so. And a lot of that attention is definitely in comments and dms, but it really is like he's getting whatever he wants. The clubs are like, please, right this way. And is that mostly now because of Tucci? Yeah.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He's definitely being given a lot, like, a lot of attention, a lot of praise, a lot of drugs, a lot of booze. Like, a lot, a lot, a lot.

[Patrick Hines]

And I was wondering what he was actually like behind the scenes. And they tell us. So that guy Garren is saying that, like, he's starting to. Ash is starting to become. Or at least he's starting to let it be seen, that he's kind of a controlling monster.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, you nightmare.

[Patrick Hines]

And we get this story that Garen, the guy who found Ash, he's basically Ash's boss, right?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Hey, Ash, say, like, thanks.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly. Garon tells a story that he put together a photo shoot for Tucci and a smaller influencer, and Garen is there for the shoot. And he sees Ash out later that night, and he's showing Ash a photo from the shoot. And Ash finds out that Garon was at this photo shoot and loses his shit.

[Ace Smith]

And he looked at me and his face just kind of went, like, white. And he turned around and he stormed off. And later that night, I got a text message from Tucci, and she was like, he's crazy. He's so jealous. He didn't even want you around.

[Patrick Hines]

While I take pictures, Tucci, who's friends with Garen, text. Garen was like, girl, Ash is on his way to his. Out to your house to beat your ass, right?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And it's like, what? For what? Like, I'm sure Garen was like, hey, doesn't the love of your life look super smoking hot?

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Right?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Isn't this awesome for her? And he just flies into a jealous rage. And you're like, oh, that's not really. I miscalculated that.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's like, yeah, like, we're just starting to learn that, like, this whole, like, Zen thing is a total, total bullshit.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Honestly, like, Tucci doesn't have the fucking time for this. After two years, she breaks up with him. She doesn't have time. She wants to do it. She has no room in her life for a jealous nightmare.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, she's very clear. My friend Chris, who I absolutely adore, he's the kind of person that if you cross him, like, if you really do something bad to my friend Chris, he will block you everywhere, block your email, block your phone number, and you are dead to him. And Tucci is like this.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And I didn't used to think that that was the best policy. I now think it is.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I mean, especially when it's this guy. And it's like she's just trying to live her life and do good things for her career. And it's like now she has to worry every time she does a photo shoot that's gonna advance her career, he's gonna threaten to kill the guy who was there.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Who has time?

[Patrick Hines]

And also when you're Tucci and you've been with this guy, I'm sure she loved him. I'm sure she thought he was great. All of a sudden like these people that you once really loved, you see them after they do something crazy. You see what a fucking loser they really are. And once those rose colored glasses come off, forget it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And the irony is that he just doesn't want anyone to think he's a loser.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He's so threatened by the fact that she's much more successful.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And then doing shit like this makes Tucci go, oh, that's right. You're a nightmare.

[Patrick Hines]

By wild. When you have that moment where you snap out of God. You know?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. So he's distraught mostly because it's bad for business.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You know, but only for Ash. Not for Tucci.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She's unstoppable. But Ash was never the same after this. We're told like it kind of was the beginning of the end of. Of him being in touch with reality.

[Patrick Hines]

So we jumped to 2017. It's been a year since Tucci and Ash broke up. She starts to date another guy who works for Garon.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Another gigolo.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Ace Smith]

His name is Rex and he was pretty much an opposite of Ash. First of all, he was 6 foot 4. Ash is like 6 foot and he was an all American blue eyed guy. Former military, just really shredded. He was a lot younger than Ash.

[Patrick Hines]

Ash is just six feet. I was like, oh, damn.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Men do not like being called short. I don't get it. I don't know why.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I don't know why.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't get the height thing.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I don't either.

[Patrick Hines]

But Mike is taller. Just a sure. Are you a woman who are you mostly attracted to like taller men or does it not matter? Taller people?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. I like being able to wear whatever shoes I wanted. Still being able to look up.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Oh yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But yeah, I don't really care that much.

[Patrick Hines]

It doesn't Matter to me at all.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, I, I don't really care.

[Patrick Hines]

I just, I, I, I. The only reason I'm even asking, it's none of my business. It's just the fact that Garen knew that it was such an insult to be like, Rex was six four. He was six. Six feet is still tall, by the way.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It is. But he adds, he's like, well, he, this guy's also former military and he's a lot younger than Ash. And I'm like, oh, Gary. He's just throwing anything, hoping that one insult will stick to. I think he's just saying all of it.

[Patrick Hines]

Younger will do it. You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, once again, I don't give a shit, but like, to these people in this world, younger, because this Ash.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Guy is so obsessed with just any. Anything he deems as a threat, and he seemingly deems everyone and everything as a threat, even his own fucking girlfriends.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's got this guy Rex's number because he's sending him these super violent, threatening, I will kill you. You'll be dead.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I mean, they're death threats. They're really violent. They're really aggressive. And, and like, the messages are just immediately out of control. They don't show us the full text. They're blurred, but they have words like stay away and kill are, like, highlighted out of the unblur. Out of the blurred text.

[Patrick Hines]

You know that, like, it must be full of words they can't print on tv.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I mean, you know, really bad. And Garen, for whatever reason, does not take the threats seriously.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Even though it's 6 4.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Even though Garen was on the other side of those texts not that long ago. Like, Garen, Yeah, he was threatening to kill you too.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, I know. And, but now, like, Ash's whole life is falling apart. He's partying too much. Gigolos gets canceled.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like Kim. There's people that are dying. Like, this is so stupid, Ash.

[Patrick Hines]

Why would Chickals ever get. Why? Where did that audience go?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Remember Cat House? That was great.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, I do. I was like a show like Gigolo seems like it should be on forever.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Cat House was on hbo. I know that. I'm just saying. But yeah, Gigolos, I don't know what. But it's also like, I think people like, it's the men who cares. I guess that's Give me our Force, Amy. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

But then Garen also terminates Ash's contract with Cowboys for Angels, and to which Ash says, I'm Ash Armand. You can't do this to me. Any posts? One story on his Instagram saying he's going to open the Ash Armand Male Companions Agency. DM me for more info. Ok. Like, oh, my God, whatever, man.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, but this guy Duke says, I.

[Ace Smith]

Think this period for Ash was a really tough time. He didn't have Tucci anymore. And then showtime. He did not renew the show.

[Brent Holmes]

His feelings about who he is and what he's capable of and what he's worth are attached in a lot of different ways to the celebrity, the relationship.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He's like, really falling from grace. And as we know, this is a really dangerous time for people who are psychopaths like him.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Once again with the age shade. Somebody goes, at this point, Ash was in the back end of his 30s.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I was like, girl, Everyone just calmed down.

[Patrick Hines]

Back end of his 30s.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, God.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But now he's like, not showing up for work at the gigolo company. The gigolo office.

[Patrick Hines]

He got fired.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, but it's like these horns. Many ladies paid good money for the boyfriend experience from the guy who does the sex workouts on YouTube.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Bailing on them.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Because we see the text from Garen being like, this is the third time this week you haven't shown up for an appointment. Not showing up for an appointment.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Three times in a week is really bad.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally. For anything.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

For anything.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Those ladies want the sex exercise.

[Patrick Hines]

They do. And that's going to be the first conversation that's what they want. We're having sex. How much? Obviously, I mean, it must be so expensive because you're paying the company for the companionship and then you're paying the dude for the sex.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

No, totally. You're totally paying the company for the companionship.

[Patrick Hines]

But what I'm saying is, like, the sex must cost extra.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

No, I know. No, I mean, that's, that's the thing. That's what the terms agreement is saying on the website.

[Patrick Hines]

That 500 you're paying for the boyfriend experience does not cover any extracurriculars you're getting later.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But they say money cannot change hands for sex. That's what they write down. So they're saying everything you're paying for is for the companionship experience. If so what? They're wiping their hands clean.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Because by saying that's what cash is for.

[Patrick Hines]

That's why 18 ATMs exist still.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

ATMs literally exist. So you can go hire your male gigolo and pay cash for it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm Assuming.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That's exactly it.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm assuming. I'm looking into the camera and say I'm assuming.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right, of course. So Garen's like, I don't care what you do. Can you just go away from me? Like, start your own company? Okay? Be my quote, competition, whatever, you nightmare.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

No, Everywhere he's like. I feel like he's just, like, storming out of rooms and being like, why isn't anyone following me? It's like, because everybody hates you.

[Patrick Hines]

Everybody, get out of here.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You are the one.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So he's, like, floundering and he's starting to realize, I think, that, like, everything about this lifestyle of his is very finite.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And I think he thought it was gonna be forever and he was gonna be, like, the king of Vegas. And now it's all falling apart in real time.

[Patrick Hines]

It's as though he never saw showgirls. I mean, how do you not know? You know what I mean? Like, how do you think you're gonna be, like, a young, hot, like, yoga sex worker forever?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. You know, especially if you're a dick.

[Patrick Hines]

Right, exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, you gotta show up for work. You gotta be nice. You can't isolate everyone around you and be an asshole.

[Patrick Hines]

Those ladies need the sexing.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They want the workout. Sex.

[Patrick Hines]

They want the workout. I got to tell you, a hip thrust is kind of sexy.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And I'm sure they're like, oh, do the hip thrust. Like, so as if things can't get any worse.

[Brent Holmes]

Under that pressure to appear fit, to maintain his body, to maintain appearances, he starts taking steroids. He's pushing himself physically in a way that's obviously unhealthy.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, he's not aggressive enough. He's taking steroids and he's posting, like.

[Patrick Hines]

These really, like, semi pornographic pictures on his social. Like, he's doing. He's losing, Losing everything. So he's doing everything he can think of to maintain, you know, the followers and the money.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But his fans aren't liking it. They're turning against him in the comments. They're like, he looked way better before. I know you're overdoing it with the bodybuilding. Someone just wrote gross, dot, dot. I mean, the comments. Get a grip.

[Patrick Hines]

This guy's a piece of shit. But it's also just, like, why they didn't know that.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, that's true.

[Patrick Hines]

Nobody knew yet.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They didn't know that yet. And it's like, can everyone in the comments get a grip?

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Apparently not.

[Patrick Hines]

Apparently. I mean, it's been nine years. Apparently we know that they.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, no.

[Patrick Hines]

In fact, I will actually reverse that and say most of the people in the comments have a grip, are so great, but the people who are unhinged. Can you just not.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

No. No, they can't.

[Patrick Hines]

No, they can't.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So it's 2019. This idiot is now posting things like, only when we are brave enough to explore the darkness will we discover the infinite power of our light. And I'm like, shut.

[Patrick Hines]

You're so brave.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Shut up. Because now he's being, quote, honest about his demons. Now, if you have demons and you want to be honest with him, please do so.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Thank you for doing that.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He's not. He's. This is another personality that he's like.

[Tia Evans]

Should I do this right?

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Is this going to work?

[Patrick Hines]

But that's the thing. Like, he's throwing everything at the wall to see what's there. And look, I get it. Like. Like, if you are a person who does this kind of thing for a living, and as you get older, all of a sudden you start to feel like you don't have any other skills, but you're not necessarily wanted for this thing anymore. I can understand that fear and trying to pivot or whatever, but this guy's just full of shit.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And so that post that I just said was him. Like, a selfie of him, like, trying to look. Whatever. By the next post, he's full mother God. With like. Like, wearing, like, a T shirt around his. His head and just going like this with light behind an awakening. You will never grow old. You will just keep growing.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God, Is this not full.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

On mother God that.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you remember, fam? This is a Patreon Episode one, by the way.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Full Love Is One. Epps.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you remember when she turned blue, died? They put her in a sleeping bag and drove her weekend at Bernice, that woman, all the way across the country. They had her corpse in a sleeping bag.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She pulled over.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And the cops were none the wiser.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So Tia Evans is here. She, at the time, is Ash's new girlfriend, a Vegas space influencer.

[Tia Evans]

When I first met Ash, it was when he was still dating Tucci Cash. I just thought, wow, he is something. He's stunning. And obviously, you know, you can look, but you can't touch. But then after they broke up, I just asked if he wanted to have a drink with me, and he said yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She was waiting in the wings with Ash while he was with Tucci, and then asked him out the minute they broke Up.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I was like, tia, I know. Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

And you know what? It goes great.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You know why? Because to. She's like, okay, as long as I don't have to deal with like, she.

[Patrick Hines]

Take him off my hand.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

This is one of those things where it's like, tia, girl code. How could you? Tuchy's like, girl, are you sure?

[Patrick Hines]

Take him.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He's a nightmare. Are you sure you want to do this to yourself?

[Patrick Hines]

Their first date is at a hookah lounge. And he gets.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Which is fine, but he's faking it all.

[Patrick Hines]

He's faking it. There was a one year of my life that I went to a hookah lounge probably four times a week. I loved it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Here's the thing, I guess here's a question.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Do you have to inhale?

[Patrick Hines]

You don't have to inhale, but like, the point is to.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I can't inhale.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, no.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I've never been able to. I can't do it.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't like.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I also don't like it.

[Patrick Hines]

I know my lesbian mother, who was in her 70s, and my mother's wife came down to visit us in New York during this time. I was. This was before Steve. I was friends with this guy homie. We used to go to the hookah lounge. My mother became so obsessed with hookah, she bought her own hookah. My mom would cook her own hookah and then go smoke it on the back deck.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Is it.

[Patrick Hines]

So how Cape Cod lesbian is that on a scale from one to lesbian?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's pretty great.

[Patrick Hines]

It's pretty lesbian. It is. It's like anything. It takes getting used to. I don't want to get addicted to it. So I stopped. But I love it it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But you can't. How would you get addicted?

[Patrick Hines]

There's like nicotine.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, it's the nicotine.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's tobacco. But I. It doesn't have to be. There are. There are like other kinds of fruit.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Kind, you know, can be.

[Patrick Hines]

But I love the hookah and I love. I kind of did love this moment for Tia. She's like, he leaned across the table and kissed me and the whole world stopped.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, that's love bombing, girl. Like, we know that now. She didn't know that. It's just like, oh, this influencer, you know? Cuz she's a Vegas based influencer too. And like he's doing this all on purpose.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Because she's like.

[Tia Evans]

I was definitely totally in love with him from the first month I was with him. He would make me tea every single Morning. He would give me massages to bed. I mean, he was great. He was a great boyfriend.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He gave her massages in bed.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, and because she is like an also ran for Tucci, like, it's like, he's not going to get Tucci back. This girl's kind of like the next best thing, right? So he's trying to like hitch his wagon to this lady.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So they eventually move in together. And one night they watch a film called Fantastic Fungi.

[Patrick Hines]

What the hell is this?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I will tell you. Some people in the movie, it's online, you can watch. Watch it for free. Say fungi, like with a soft G. We're not.

[Patrick Hines]

We're not doing that. We're not doing that on this podcast.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I'm the only soft G in this, in this group. Yeah. Fantastic Fungi. It's all about the wonders of mushrooms, you know, like from a biology perspective. And like, it talks about their effects on the environment and the ecosystem. There are a lot of very cool time lapses in it that it's sort of like, known for. But this guy was watching this movie basically to like groom his girlfriend into micro dosing shrooms, which is exactly what happens. Cuz she's like, yeah, he just like put on this cool movie I'd never seen that he'd seen a million times. And then, oh my God, now we're more micro dosing and experimenting. And I'm like, tia, that was. You know, looking back now, I'm sure she realizes that was the whole point.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And then in May 2020, Ash gets a message from a potential client. Her name is Harleen Dulay. My note here, because it's May 2020. I'm like, there's a pandemic raging, but not in Vegas.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Not in Vegas.

[Patrick Hines]

No one's talking about in Vegas life as normal.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Because I want to be clear, he's now doing his own mushroom ceremonies, which is also something that's been done for ceremonies. But he's like doing his own on his living room, like, table, coffee table.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like, marketing it as part of his, like, spiritual healer.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Well, now he's like working through his demons and sort of trying to monetize that. I'm like, girl, you should have, like, worked through your demons before you start monetizing that. You'll be helping other people think.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like you're 100% right. But it's got to also be on the consumer to be like, what's this guy's specialty? It's like, you can't take A five day fucking hypnosis seminar and then be like, fixing the high school kids that you.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But when people are going through it and they see someone that they think they could help them, that feels accessible.

[Patrick Hines]

But the problem is these people know that there's people out there looking for that, and they know how to, like, market to that.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He's an asshole.

[Patrick Hines]

It's awful.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And so he gets this message from her lean, saying, I'm interested in booking a spiritual healing session with you. And I'm like, is he still doing the sex work? I don't know about that. Is he now just like a. A hallucinogenic?

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it seems we're going to hear later that the two of them eventually decide not to have an intimate relationship. So the sex work feels to me like it was at least still on the table.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Okay. So Tia tells us she sent him deposit.

[Tia Evans]

And he. He said he looked up the apartment, looked like it was legit. Asked me if he thinks I should go, and I said, yeah, Seems legit to me.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Ash and Tia both decide that it's legit and that he should go. And I'm like, is that all it takes? Very different being a woman.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, I had.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

The address is real. And I'm like, the address is real. That's a red flag.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. No, it's true. Like, men in sex. And I'm not. I have absolutely no idea. But I would imagine it's much easier for men.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. Like, in general. And I was like, oh, that's all it takes for him to feel safe. That, like, oh, there it is on Google Maps.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That address is real. Here I go.

[Patrick Hines]

Listen, if this podcast, in working with you has taught me nothing. It's taught me many things. But one of the things that goes right to the top is male privilege and how real it is.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

We live in different worlds.

[Patrick Hines]

And it breaks my heart every time I realize that we can physically be.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Walking on the same street, but it's totally different. I know. Like, you get to wear headphones with things with, like, music in them.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Or.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. Getting into our building today, I walked in right behind a woman and I had my. I was listening to music, but I realized too late that I was too close to her. And the elevator door opened and she. She didn't get in with me. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, I scared her. But just by virtue of walking in behind her and being too physically close.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

To her, like, how many times have you walked into this office being like, I gotta tell you, what just happened and how many versus how many times I've been like, I gotta tell you what just happened.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, I know. Have you seen any? It's not to make light of it, but there's like, a whole TikTok campaign of, like, men going up to women and being like, I love your sweater. And the girl being like, ew. And then the guy going, oh, sorry. I mean, girl, I love your sweater.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I know the guys on the hiking trail.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The male privilege of that is like, one of the. It's been one of the saddest things for me to really, truly understand.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It is sad. But Ace is here. Ace Smith. He's Harleen's friend. He's the owner of Ace Fitness, which he says is a women's empowerment gym. He is the booty builder.

[Patrick Hines]

He's the booty builder. He had a specialty in building the butt. Good for you, Ace.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Squats, man.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, squats are tough.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They're tough, but they work.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, they do.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They work.

[Patrick Hines]

I got a good booty.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank you.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You're welcome.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like every little compliment, it's like pulling. What does Blanche say? It's like pulling teeth. Just like, the kind of little compliment, like what?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

All I do is say nice things.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, I'm just kidding.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So it's 2018, and Harleen joins this gym, and Ace is here to tell.

[Patrick Hines]

Us she was very quiet, standoffish. She wasn't confident in herself. She spoke a lot about this dark place that she was in. This is her transformation.

[Brent Holmes]

She lost 40 pounds in a month.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And Harleen came to Vegas to basically start over.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And that led her to this gym, and she worked really? Really. And Ace says that she made a big transformation, not just in her body, but in her confidence. And now Ace says something where I'm like, you have to be misspeaking here.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He says she lost £40 40 in a month. And I'm like, that can't be healthy or realistic, right? I mean, 40 pounds in a month.

[Patrick Hines]

Unless she had some kind of surgery or something, I don't think that's possible. But what do I know?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I always thought that. Look, I don't know. I'm really asking, like, I. I always thought that it's like one to two pounds a week is the ideal.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But I mean, I've. As a person who's been heavy most of my life, I've gone through bouts of, like, losing a lot of weight, but, like, to lose £10 in a month is extreme. Seems like 40 would actually not be possible.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, £10 a week.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, who knows? But, yes, I had. I had the exact same question.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It felt like, whoa, all right. That could usually take, like, five or six months.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes. Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And now I was really happy for her lean that she found Aces Gym, because the gym seems like more of a community than just a gym gym. And it was like, she really needed it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. And it's no, like, shade to her leaning your ass off.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm with you. I think that was.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And then do the squats and get it back.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

I think that was a misspeak. I don't know that you can do that.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Because then I wonder if it's related, because it turns out that Herlene was dealing with brain cancer this whole time she was at the gym. So I. That I could very possibly have played a part in this very extreme weight loss.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And the other thing that Ace says to us is that he didn't know her to have friends outside the gym. And so I think that's why she was sort of searching. And maybe that's how she came across Cross Ash's profile, because she's trying to build a community for herself.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So because of her brain cancer, she leaves the gym and stops working out and starts isolating, which is what Ace tells us. So. But we also don't get any word on right now, like, what the status of her cancer is.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You know, we don't know if the cancer is gone. Did she leave because she was still fighting her cancer? Is she doing this sort of psychedelic hallucinogenic thing with Ash because of cancer? Like, I don't know. We don't really get details on the status of her diagnosis at the.

[Patrick Hines]

We don't. But we do learn that when she's reaching out to Ash to set up these, like, remember, now he's like. He's selling this, like, magic mushroom healing.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Wellness.

[Patrick Hines]

Wellness thing is, like, what he's doing. So she reaches out to him.

[Tia Evans]

She said this to him. Anytime she would try to get something done or something good was gonna happen, there would be, like, some kind of dark energy that would just diminish everything around her.

[Patrick Hines]

There would be a dark energy around her. Now, this is to. To a sicko like, this guy, that's music to his ears because he's got a product to sell her now.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. And the thing is, there are experts who will do the hallucinogenic psychedelic drugs.

[Patrick Hines]

With you, the ketamine therapy and all.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That for lack of A better term, but, you know, like the mushrooms in a way that, like, it can be used in therapy, it can be used medically. And, like, this isn't Ash. Ash is like some idiot who decided six weeks ago after his girlfriend, his hot girlfriend, dumped him.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That, like, he needs a new gig, he needs a new personality to shill.

[Patrick Hines]

And this is what he's doing. Plus, he just loves doing drugs like you. Like, that can't be denied. You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

What we haven't talked about in a long time, the fucking steroids, right? Never gone away. He's still doing the steroids.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what's wild? It's advertised in storefronts. I was just in Puerto Vallarta. I can't say it unless I say it slowly. You can buy steroids legally in Mexico.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Wow.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, the advert.

[Patrick Hines]

Like. Like the bodybuilding ads of this year. It's. It's wild. I mean, I don't know anything about steroids, so I just know that we're told it's bad. I'm sure that's probably true, but, like, the one thing we do know about steroids is roid rage is very real.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Especially when you're just, like, doing it under the table without a doctor supervision. You know what I mean? You're just like, I can totally do more.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, right. Well, it's funny, like, steroids can't be all bad because every time I go to the dermatologist or anything, they're like, here's steroids. Just rub it on your skin. You know what I mean? So Tia tells us that Ash and Harleen go on a spiritual retreat to Zion. It's the desert, and they do, like.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

A lot of these spiritual sessions. They're going on these healing trips. They got very, very close. And according to Tia, Ash tells her, lean, like, this is not romantic. This is strictly spiritual. And, yeah, we don't get any context as to why he' telling her this, if she wanted something sexual or if he's saying, like, look, I know I got famous from being a sex worker, but I don't do that anymore. I don't know why he's telling her this, but apparently he told his girlfriend, so take it with a grain of salt that he had to tell Herlene this.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And the other thing that we get out of this trip is that Herlene is so moved by the experience.

[Tia Evans]

Apparently it was amazing epiphany of sorts that they both had. She figured out what it was, the darkness was, and he figured out that he wanted to be able to. And hearing it from someone telling him, like, you are a healer. I definitely think that Ash felt like he could help her.

[Patrick Hines]

She is reinforcing to Ash. You are a healer. You are a healer. You healed me. And like, this crazy pants believes it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. But he. At the same time, we're also told, like, he's still not doing that great. Like, he's still really upset about the state of his career. He's doing lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of mushrooms and then some more mushrooms. He's also on steroids.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And just like at his core, he's like a controlling, jealous nightmare. So, like, the substances are not helping at all. Of course, this is not how shrooms are used in any healing capacity. And the steroids.

[Patrick Hines]

I was going to say, like, if you're a person who's prone to, like violent rageful outbursts, steroids is not something you should be on.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Add to it.

[Patrick Hines]

I wouldn't add to it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And then do something that is sort of like making you feel like you're not on this earthly plane anymore.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That you're sort of detaching from reality in a not controlled environment.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Just feels dangerous. And guess what? It is.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So Ash loses it. One night, according to ti, he said.

[Tia Evans]

That he was having really bad dreams. He was having the worst tremors. His whole body was like shaking. He told me that the devil was trying to disguise himself as his loved ones to try to take him to the underworld.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

The devil is disguised as his loved ones and he's like trying to drag Ash to the underworld, which, you know, is terrifying.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it sounds like I think you and I have made the point. But just to make it again, he's doing way too many drugs. He's consuming hallucinogenics at probably a terrifying rate.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

With the steroids.

[Patrick Hines]

With the steroids. And so this is the result. He's having these insane nightmares he's having now.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Sounds like psychosis. I'm not going to die.

[Patrick Hines]

I was going to say I get yelled at all the time for saying things I don't know anything about. But it sounds like what we would call a psychotic break.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

An episode at the very least, you know. And like, so. And Tia says, I just had this weird feeling that something bad was going to happen. Yeah, me too, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

Same.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So it's 7-15-20 and it's very. Once you hear this, you'll be like, oh, no.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He says, my karma is finished. No reason to have any Connection with you. And she just goes, I don't know what that's supposed to mean.

[Patrick Hines]

Good response to you. Neither do I, girl.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That tells me not the first time she's gotten text.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

From him.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, totally.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

If Mike sent me that, I'd be like, what? Like, my response be like, who has your phone? I wouldn't be so exhausted by it.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

That reads to me my opinion that.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I don't know what that's supposed to mean. She's like, this again, right?

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

How it feels.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, 100%.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He goes, I'm saving my energy for myself now. You're not in alignment with my journey. Tia's like, I'm sorry, what? Like, everything has been great. And I'm like, tia has it.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. And then he says.

[Tia Evans]

He said, your whole life is gonna fall down around you, Tia. And I'm like, wait, what did you say? Why would you say that to me? And I'm like, whatever, I'm done. And blocked him on my social media, and I blocked him on my phone.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And I'm like, tia, this is when you say, okay, bye. Guess what? That's what she did.

[Patrick Hines]

Can we. I'm sorry, what are you saying?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She says, okay, bye, bye.

[Patrick Hines]

No, you have to. You don't have to, but could you.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She goes, okay, bye, bye. And so that's what she does. She blocks him on everything. And I'm like, hell, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

She goes to the Chris Allwell school of getting people the fuck out of your life.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, blocks the number, blocks him on social. And then it's like his. His next post after that is him wearing that mask from that movie.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, Anonymous, is it?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It's the same Anonymous mask, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. It's like the V for vendetta.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yes, yes, yes. But now he's, like, sitting there, wear, like, shirtless, posing. It's a black and white photo, and the caption is, sometimes you just have to wear a mask, world, to accomplish your mission. Have a blessed night. And I'm like, oh, so there it is.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

He's acknowledging that he's full of shit. Like, he was never some enlightened guru. Like, he's like, literally saying he's wearing a mask. Like, girl. I know, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it's just like fudgeing Hashtag boys. You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I know, but because we're learning that behind the scenes, he's still obsessed with Tucci, and even more so, he's obsessed with all of the men around her, whether they're in a romantic relationship or Sexual relationship or not. Like, her friends, people she dated, people she's worked with. He's in everyone's DMs about it.

[Patrick Hines]

I can't believe we haven't talked about Duke yet. So Duke is this fudgeing, jacked guy. He knows Tucci. He knows Rex. He knows, like, it's all these, like, meatheads in Vegas that are all. They all know each other.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And, like, Ashwood, Texas, friends. Like, why are you working out with that guy? I'm jealous of.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But then. Wait, this is my favorite part. Duke. Duke, who is so jacked they can barely get him completely in the shot.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

All natural. I bet he.

[Patrick Hines]

All natural.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I'm sure Duke has no time for this bullshit.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, because Ash is texting Duke about, like, because Duke is at the gym taking pictures with Tushy's new boyfriend, right?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And so he's like, bro, I thought you were a friend. Why are you hanging out with Rex? Duke goes, you can't tell me who I can and can't be seen with. Like, first of all, again, not the first time, no.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's also like, duke, why are you going to 100? Right away, Duke literally drops a pin to meet in a fucking parking lot for a brawl.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Because Ash goes, you know my history with him and Tucci, stay away from him.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Duke goes, drop me your pin and we'll see where life is going to take us.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, unbelievable. But at the same time, I was like, these boys just want to take their shirts off and roll around together.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, his muscles are all natural, I bet.

[Patrick Hines]

Let me tell you, I am not wishing for that. That is not a gay fantasy. But there's something about these, like, jacked, dumb, stupid straight guys that are like, let's just get. Let's just get our shirts off and just, like, put our hands on each other. See what happens, bro.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, and, like, hug and wrestle.

[Patrick Hines]

But I love.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Drop me a pin and we'll see where life is going to take us. Like, it's just all.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you know that if. If he asked me to do that, I couldn't do it? I still can't figure out how to drop a pin. I know it's easy, but I don't know how to do it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

That's all.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Have you ever had to?

[Patrick Hines]

No, but there have been times it would have made things easier.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean? And I'm like, let me give. Let me give you the longitude and latitud.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Can you drop your pen and you.

[Patrick Hines]

Know what, why don't you drop a pen?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Why don't you tell me what you think dropping a pen is and then.

[Patrick Hines]

Why tell me how you think one drops the pin. And then we'll see.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

We'll go and then we'll see where life is going to.

[Patrick Hines]

We'll see where life is going to take.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So. Oh no. It's July 16, 2020. There's a 911 call and it's ash on the call. And we hear it now once again.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like this happened in England. This call is so Ash. This is clearly made up for him. Trying to sound conf out of it and unaware. It is. So this call, in my opinion is so premeditated. The tone.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. Until he loses sight of that and then just starts rambling.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, he's out of his mind.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So the dispatcher is like, hey, you know, 91 1, do you need police, fire or medical? And he goes, I need police and also an ambulance. And the dispatch says, okay, well can you tell me like what's going on?

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, what to say?

[Tia Evans]

Okay, so it's gonna sound just insane.

[Patrick Hines]

Because it is insane. Because it is insane.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So then we'll get back to that in a second. But we cut to Ash getting arrested and everyone in Vegas knows about it immediately and is texting each other.

[Patrick Hines]

It's wild too, because we see the body cam and we hear the cop trying to explain what's going on here. He's like, I got some 30 year old female who did mushrooms with the boyfriend or the husband, whatever. It's a very chaotic scene and we're gonna see a very, very violent and bloody scene.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. And so what's happening? Because everyone's texting t, you okay? And she's like, what? I'm fine.

[Patrick Hines]

Because we see a headline. There's a headline that reads gigolo star arrested in Vegas for beating girlfriend to death in drug fueled rage. So everybody thinks that that headline is talking about Tia.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And it's. And she's like, wait, what?

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So it's not Tia, it's Herlene, the woman who was really struggling, who was booking Ash for spiritual help.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So here's what we know. It's 10:20 on July 16th. The kids killer calls 91 1. He says, this is going to sound insane because it is. He continues and says, my friend was over. We took mushrooms together, we said our prayers together, we put on Avatar together. And then he starts rambling. I don't know if you've ever done mushrooms before, but you know, it's like, not the time. Like, I was. I was no longer in reality. I was in a different reality. And then he says, and then I saw the person next to me. See how he's not her friend or client or anything. Now it's like this person next to me just like. Like, disconnecting from her.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Distancing. Ash just starts rambling. And he's like, this person's on the floor. And I'm like, whoa, you're like this beautiful being. And the dispatcher's like, okay, hold on a second.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Who are you calling for? Are you calling for yourself? Are you calling for your friend? Like, who do I need to send immediately? And then we can talk about, like, how fucking beautiful the universe is.

[Patrick Hines]

And then he goes, I'm fine. Well, actually, I'm a little bit injured. I'm calling for her.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And this is when we learn that it was not a tragic accident, like, from someone who was on shrooms. It's not like her lean thought she was on a different plane and fell down the stairs and bro, her arm. Like, this is not.

[Patrick Hines]

We learn this from the autopsy report. Brent, the reporter, is telling us. He says the autopsy report is particularly brutal when you look at what he did to her body.

[Brent Holmes]

He says the cause of death is blunt force trauma. There's repeated blows to the body. There is pulverization of the jaw, teeth fragments found in. In the stomach.

[Patrick Hines]

Pulverization. That means it was down to dust.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She. Herlene was brutally, violently. She was severely beaten.

[Patrick Hines]

She was beaten to death. And, like, my question is, what really happened?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

The injuries. I just want to say the injuries are pages and pages long. There's like four. I'm not kidding, like 40, like 38 or 40 bullet points of what the medical examiner was detailing. I mean, it's pages long.

[Patrick Hines]

And then we get this thing that we don't see that often. We see the body cam footage of the crime scene with nothing blurred out. There is blood everywhere. Everywhere, including so much blood.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Including inside the washing machine.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And in the bathroom. And diluted blood in the bathroom, meaning he was trying to clean up.

[Patrick Hines]

He was trying to clean up, and then he just gave up. So he literally. They say he was trying to clean up, and then all of a sudden he was like, I can't do this.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So he was.

[Patrick Hines]

And then he calls them kind of.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

On a different plane, but. But here. But present enough to know I shit, I got to clean up. And then realize, oh, I can't clean up. Ooh, shrooms.

[Patrick Hines]

But Right. And so, like, that's why I'm like, I'm sure that he was on drugs. Like, that's what they did together. But what happened?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, I think it's very interesting that he really made a point to let his girlfriend know. Like, I had to tell her, lean, like, there's no sex, like. Or did she have to tell you that?

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Or. Or what? You know, like, does he have like terrifying triggers? We don't know about that.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I'm sure he does.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And also, like, it wasn't the shrooms, it was the steroids.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like, plus a lot of. Plus a lot of other things. Like the combination of all the drugs, this downward spiral, this thirst for fame, the overall state of his mental health, the fact that he sucks.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

In general.

[Patrick Hines]

And just the fact that this is a person who's been dealing with rage problems all of his life. And by the way, rage problems only get worse. They don't stay the same and they don't get better unless you work on them. They get progressively worse.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And steroids certainly don't help, of course, and psychedelics certainly don't help.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm sure they were drinking.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. And you know, I gotta say, cause I looked up, I was like, you know, could too much mushrooms lead to rage? Not really.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Like the studies kind of show 2% of people or whatever actually used to help calm people down in a controlled environment. When you're dealing with an expert. This guy's not a expert.

[Patrick Hines]

No. And this one, we cut to Tia because like, once again, everybody thought that it was. She's got to spend her entire day being like, no, no, no, it wasn't me. And oh my God, that guy that I was in love with and I lived with for all those years.

[Tia Evans]

I was complete shock.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I guess.

[Patrick Hines]

You thought that Ash wasn't capable or something.

[Tia Evans]

No, not at all. I don't think it really all hit me until later on when I was thinking, it could have been me. It could have been me.

[Patrick Hines]

It wasn't me, but it could have been.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Of course. You know, like, I realized, like I was one psychotic rage away from this being me.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. And she saw the horrifying experience of him thinking that the devil was coming to drag him to the underworld disguised as his loved ones. Like, that was scary, terrifying in that moment. And he did not consider that his rock bottom. He didn't want to stop what he was doing.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And so here we are and we get the on screen text that this guy was charged with Manslaughter and mayhem.

[Patrick Hines]

The mayhem thing, in nine years, we've never heard that. Charged with mayhem. What even is that?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I'll tell you. So he's sentenced to eight to 20 years in prison for the death of Harleen Deli. Mayhem in Nevada. It changes state to state in Nevada is. This is horrifying. Maliciously maiming, disfiguring, or disabling another person. It's a category B felony. It carries up to 10 years in prison and fines of up to $10,000. Ex. It's. I'm not going to say what the examples are, but it's a more aggravated form of battery. It's about, like, if.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It means pulverizing the jaw.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

You, you know, would. Would cut an ear off or, you know, things like that. When some things are. When it's not actually dismembering. But.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Do you know what I'm trying to.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I hear you. Totally.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

It was a violent, aggressive, brutal attack and senseless.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, it ends with Ace, the gym owner, reading us Harleen's last Instagram. And she says, keep grinding, keep shining, and don't let life make you hard. Your love and your willingness to love as if you've never been hurt is rare, and that's your power.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Right. Right. And so he says, like, when he posts that on Instagram, he says, I'll live by these words for the rest of my life. Thank you, my angel. And it's like, she wanted help. She was suffering. She goes to this guy.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Looking for help. And I thought it was supposed to be this peaceful, beautiful, healing experience.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And also you ask what is, like, doing dropping shrooms and watching Avatar doing for her.

[Patrick Hines]

And that's the thing.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

How much did you pay for that?

[Patrick Hines]

I know. And, like, that's why we have to be discerning. And I hear you. I know there are people in really dark, bad places who are looking for help and. But it's like, these people are. Fucking snake oil salesman.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

They are.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah. And I'm sure doing it the real way. Going to an actual mushroom ceremony is really expensive and probably not accessible. I get it. People, you know, that's like, you're saying the scariest and saddest part. It's like when you're, for lack of a better term, desperate. Of like, I need this now.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yes.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

And this person's local and the price is kind of right, and I think I can do it and I'll be fine. And it's a well It's. He's like. The whole thing is about healing and wellness. It can be dangerous.

[Patrick Hines]

No.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Well, don't do fudgeing. Steroids.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

So two. She's married, by the way.

[Patrick Hines]

She is.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

She and her husband are both on Only Fans. They make content together and separately.

[Patrick Hines]

No way.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah, she's like. She's a world traveler. She. She's like a real estate investor. She's kind of like just living her life. And she found some guy who's not an asshole.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, I love it.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But here's something about Ash. So Ash is still in prison. He was allegedly one of the sex workers involved in the quote freak offs host by Sean Combs, AKA Diddy. No. Prosecutors showed photos of him during the trial. And for what it's worth, People magazine confirmed it was him. So it was like the photos were in the trial.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. What a gigantic piece of shit.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Unless he was hired and manipulated, I don't know the ins and outs of that. I don't know. But he will be eligible for parole in 2028. It doesn't change what he did to her. Lean.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, let's keep him on the inside, you know?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

But I was like, wait, he what?

[Patrick Hines]

And fuck that guy. God. All right, girl, we did. What's it called?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

The show is called Deadly Influence. It's season one, episode one. It's called Sin City Clickbait.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my goodness, fam, we love you so much. Go check out our YouTube. We're at almost 100,000 subscribers. 100K, girl.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

All right, fam, we love you so much.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Thanks for show safe out there.

[Supporting Host/Producer]

Yeah, you know what?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Learn to drop a pin so we can all stay safe.

[Patrick Hines]

And somebody to teach me. So get into my DMs and tell me.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

I'll teach you.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. Saying, will you?

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, great. All right, bye.

[Jenny Benzavalli]

Bye.