466: Trainwreck: Mayor of Mayhem

Summary

True Crime Obsessed – Episode 466: "Trainwreck: Mayor of Mayhem" (Netflix)

Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Jillian, Patrick Hines, Katie
Episode Theme:
A comedic, deeply engaging, and cutting recap of Netflix's “Trainwreck: Mayor of Mayhem”—the wild, scandal-rich political rise-and-fall of Toronto’s infamous Rob Ford. The hosts dissect Ford's underdog beginnings, viral controversies, chaotic leadership style, personal demons, and the cultural context that enabled his improbable ascent to power—with signature TCO humor, sass, and heart.

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Episode Overview

This episode recaps the documentary chronicling Rob Ford, Toronto’s notorious mayor. With sharp wit and disbelief, the hosts explore how Ford went from being a political joke to the chief of Canada’s largest city, only for his administration to implode amid substance abuse, corruption, and bizarre press moments—while drawing sometimes-unavoidable parallels to American political figures.

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1. Setting the Scene: Toronto in Turmoil (00:41–05:15)

• 2009 garbage strike: Toronto is buried in trash, leading to civic chaos and political opportunity.
  • “Let me tell you, the raccoons have never been happier.” – Patrick [03:54]
  • “Pay them whatever the hell they want.” – Jillian on sanitation workers [05:11]
• Mayor David Miller is “politically wounded” and steps down, leaving a leadership void.

Memorable Banter

• Ongoing jokes about raccoons thriving in garbage (possible podcast running bit).
  • “The raccoons are like stacking pizzas for the humans.” – Jillian [06:10]

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2. The Ford Family Legacy & Daddy Issues (05:26–13:13)

• Rob Ford’s rise is painted as a desperate attempt to please his overbearing, political father.
  • “All of these men in the world trying to work out their daddy issues through politics is so exhausting.” – Jillian [12:54]
• His brother Doug's big influence—doubling down on “blowhard clown” vibes.

Host Commentary

• Hosts openly mock the Ford family's loud, confrontational style, and connect father-son politics to dysfunctional leadership.
  • “Taking it out on all of us.” – Patrick on politicians’ personal baggage [13:00]

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3. A Political Joke Turns Serious (13:41–17:20)

• Rob Ford launches his mayoral campaign with clever publicity stunts, relying on “everyman” branding.
  • “He was the yelly blowhard, but all of a sudden...the journalists start to take him seriously.” – Jillian [17:34]
• Ford has a reputation for personal outreach—giving his business card (with cell number!) to anyone, and physically solving constituents’ problems.
  • “Here's my card. You need something, you call me.” – Jillian [16:36]
• Hosts compare Ford’s rise to Donald Trump, noting the populist appeal and media-savvy chaos.

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4. Rob Ford’s Record: Scandal & Populism (17:47–23:43)

• Ford’s background: DUI, marijuana possession, drunken outbursts (e.g., hockey-game incident)—yet his popularity grows.
  • “That apology...we will hear no less than 10,000 times.” – Patrick on Ford’s “I’m only human” excuse [18:52]
• His controversial statements and political incorrectness resonate with underrepresented voters.
  • “If you're not doing needles and you're not gay, you won't get AIDS. Probably.” – Rob Ford, quoted by Patrick [11:24]
• Discussion of supporters loving his “anti-elite” attitude, even when it means embracing bigotry or dysfunction.
  • “Because it allows them to say things...they thought they had to hide.” – Patrick [19:25]

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5. From City Hall to Circus: Ford’s Mayoral Reign (22:59–29:47)

• Ford’s first year is “productive but brutal”—undoing taxes, making transit workers essential (they can’t strike).
• Host insight on Ford’s politics: “very right wing populist positions, anti-immigrant, pro-nationalism.” – Katie via Patrick [23:14]
• Mounting concerns: coaching high school football on city time, fundraising scandals, clear conflicts of interest.
  • “Running from cameras and reporters to avoid questions—running.” – Patrick [24:29]

Key Quote

• “If you agree with me, I’ll work with you. If you don’t, I will destroy you.” – Mark quoting Rob Ford’s early philosophy [22:31]

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6. Demonizing the Media & The Crack Tape Scandal (29:47–41:02)

• Ford and his allies wage war on the media, echoing familiar modern American tactics.
  • “Rob Ford demonized the media years before Donald Trump did the same thing.” – Jillian [29:00]
• Investigative reporter Robin Doolittle’s experience of being harassed for reporting Ford's misdeeds; media mistrust explodes.
  • “I just didn’t understand how much people distrusted the media and how successful the Fords had been at framing the media as a political opponent.” – Robin [40:20]
• The infamous crack video emerges: Robin is shown the footage in a clandestine parking lot deal on April Fool’s Day.
  • “Leave your bag, leave your phone, get in this car, go to the second location.” – Jillian [36:35]
• The media can't buy the video, but Gawker runs a story, giving the Toronto Star the opening to confirm.

Quotes

• “Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. But no, am I an addict? No.” – Rob Ford, press conference [53:37]
• “My response would be: ‘Don’t worry, girl, there's no video. Wink, wink.’” – Patrick on denials [39:30]

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7. Collapse at City Hall: Denial & Downfall (41:19–65:48)

Chief of Staff Mark: The (Only) Adult in the Room

• Mark tries to get Ford into rehab; instead, Ford fires him publicly.
  • “Mark was the North Star. Now Mark is gone and made an example of.” – Patrick [42:32]
• With Mark out, chaos worsens: Ford is caught on more videos, loses control at city council meetings, and his brother Doug Ford takes center stage.

Unbelievable Soundbites & Outrageous Behavior

• Legendary press conference: Ford denies sexually harassing a staffer, then adds:
  • “I've got more than enough to eat at home, thank you very much.” – Rob Ford [59:33]
• Hosts and reporters are openly flabbergasted by his crudeness and lack of shame.
  • “The reaction from the media is unbelievable.” – Jillian [59:54]
• Ford caught on video ranting in a Jamaican accent at a fast food place—yet his inner circle continues to make excuses.

City Council Tries to Stop the Mayhem (64:01)

• Council removes Ford’s mayoral powers in what devolves into a chaotic melee.
  • “Rob Ford...knocks into this council member Pam McConnell, knocks her over...” – Jillian [64:39]
  • “There’s a fucking melee on the floor.” – Patrick [64:24]

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8. The Aftermath: More Videos, No Shame, and the Tragic End (65:58–70:02)

Refusal to Quit

• Despite scandals, Ford runs for re-election; comes close but ultimately loses the mayoral seat.
• His brother Doug runs and loses, but Rob wins a city council seat with 58% of the vote.

Final Act

• While on a “redemption” press tour (including wrestling and media spectacles), Ford is hospitalized with aggressive cancer. He dies in March 2016.
  • “It’s just like, this is the kind of ego we're dealing with here.” – Patrick [69:55]

Legacy & Reflection

• Supporters and close staffers vie to remember Ford’s “good side”—but the hosts point out the toxic mix of dysfunction, populism, and enablers.
  • “He could have started out in a good place... His demons got the better of him, and everybody around him let it happen.” – Jillian [71:29]
• Debate on political accountability and surrounding oneself with “good people” vs. cultivating power at all costs.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Trump Parallels:
  “The pre-Trump parallels cannot be ignored.” – Jillian [15:06]
• On Handling Scandal:
  “You can’t have a mayor who is chronically smoking crack. You can’t have that.” – Jillian [67:35]
• On Demagoguery:
  “This is how it starts, because...it makes people think, ‘Oh, I can do that.’” – Patrick [19:38]
• On Ford’s Lasting Influence:
  “Two things can be true. He could have started out in a good place...but his demons got the better of him, and everybody around him let it happen.” – Jillian [71:29]

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Episode Structure/Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Raccoon Garbage Strike: 00:41–05:15
• Ford Family & Campaign Start: 05:26–13:13
• Campaign Parallels, Populism: 13:41–17:20
• Rob Ford Scandals Unfold: 17:47–23:43
• Mayoral Mayhem & Manipulating Media: 22:59–29:47
• Crack Video & Media Fallout: 29:47–41:02
• City Hall Chaos & Firing Mark: 41:19–42:32
• Downfall and Relentless Denial: 42:49–65:48
• Final Days, Death & Legacy: 65:58–71:29

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Conclusion

In this wickedly funny and exasperated episode, True Crime Obsessed’s hosts trace the arc of Rob Ford: from populist upstart to international punchline, from “man of the people” to symbol of political dysfunction. The team deftly unleashes their signature blend of humor and righteous outrage upon Ford’s antics—while teasing out the darker themes of enablers, the erosion of media trust, and the global rise of shameless populists.

“Mayhem is such a good word.” – Jillian, closing out the episode [73:07]

Listeners walk away entertained, incredulous, and with new appreciation for Canadian raccoons—and maybe wary empathy for anyone with Jerry or Tom as their right-hand man.

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Transcript

[Jillian]

If you don't mind, I would like to speak directly to Canada.

[Patrick Hines]

Here we go. Sure.

[Jillian]

Canada. I love you. I think you're beautiful. I think you're a wonderful place to be. I'd like to spend more time there. That's all I'm going to say for now. I cannot be held accountable for anything else that comes out of my mouth about this situation.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, this guy's a clown. That's. We're not blaming all of Canada.

[Jillian]

No, it's not.

[Patrick Hines]

God knows. Please don't blame all of us.

[Jillian]

No.

[Katie]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

When there are clowns in the room, if you know what I mean. Canada. Let's see. We kind of got to look out for each other.

[Jillian]

Oh, my God. Hi. Jaleel Badwelli. Hello.

[Patrick Hines]

Patrick Hines.

[Jillian]

I haven't seen you face to face in two weeks.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian]

Welcome back.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank you so much. I. You know how I say, like, going on vacation with kids is just sleeping in a different bed, but, like, your chaos stays the same? That was my life. I was just sleeping in a different bed for two weeks because we needed. We had some stuff done at our apartment.

[Jillian]

Oh, my God. What? Are you happy to be home?

[Patrick Hines]

Beyond. Yeah, but it was still. It was nice. We stayed with my parents, you know, went to the Cheesecake Factory. Went to Costco for the first time, but it was great.

[Jillian]

The Cheesecake Factory is the best. That bread, it's so good. God, fam, don't forget we've got a discord. I don't really know anything about it, but Jillian will tell you everything.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, it's really fun. We have all these channels. Like, in the channel, we have all, like, you can discuss the episodes and put in suggestions and, like, leave questions for an ama. Yeah, I always tell people, like, what we're recording that day. I'm always like, what's up, Discord?

[Jillian]

Also, fam, we just got our 100,000 subscriber plaque from YouTube.

[Patrick Hines]

We got a plaque.

[Jillian]

We got.

[Katie]

We have.

[Jillian]

We have, like, almost 130,000 subscribers to our YouTube channel.

[Patrick Hines]

It's really absolutely incredible. Thank you, everyone, so much for checking us out. And thank you, YouTube, for our plaque.

[Jillian]

I gotta. I was in there the other day watching one of our recent episodes. We give great YouTube. It's really fun to watch us because, like, we get really into it. It's really fun and animated. Like, it's just a cool thing. If you've never checked out our YouTube, please go check it out. Subscribe. It's true. Crime Obsessed podcast.

[Patrick Hines]

Yep.

[Jillian]

What are we talking about today?

[Patrick Hines]

Trainwreck Mayor of Mayhem. It's on Netflix.

[Jillian]

Enough is enough. And I want respect.

[Mark]

From the moment Rob Ford was elected, we all recognized that this was not going to be a boring four years. The public loved him.

[Robin]

He was like a rock star.

[Katie]

His success made no sense by any normal political standards.

[Jerry]

This is backdooring a quick motion. Staff doesn't support it. You're upset.

[Robin]

He turned City hall into a circus.

[Patrick Hines]

He does not have a shred of credibility.

[Mark]

He was always delivering this image of the Everyman, but what he told everybody was a lie.

[Jillian]

All of a sudden, we realized control of Canada's biggest city was in the hands of a man who had no.

[Katie]

Personal control over his life.

[Jillian]

Get off my property.

[Jerry]

If you are an alcoholic, which, you know, airport.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you have a drug problem?

[Katie]

I said, rob, they say they have a video of you smoking crack cocaine. And he told me, don't worry, buddy. There's no video.

[Robin]

Trust me, I've seen it. He is smoking drugs in this video.

[Jerry]

It's just lies after lies and lies.

[Jillian]

Whoa. I can't believe I'm here right now. Like, this is nuts.

[Jerry]

When you attack my integrity, I see red.

[Robin]

There were just so many twists and turns that you couldn't predict it.

[Jillian]

I just want to start by saying I love the Trainwreck series. I hope they never stop. I hope they. It's really the most fun we have in this room.

[Patrick Hines]

It's really insane.

[Jillian]

It's, like, really wild.

[Patrick Hines]

It's. I mean, aptly named.

[Jillian]

Yes, for sure.

[Patrick Hines]

And the Woodstock one we did was really depressing and sad and, like, made me furious. And now they're sort of just getting crazier and crazier.

[Jillian]

Okay, so we're starting.

[Patrick Hines]

Sorry, Astroworld. God. Sorry about that. All the music ones are really serious and sad, and then it's just insanity.

[Jillian]

Well, it's 2009. We're in Toronto. There's a garbage strike, and it is not going great.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. Let me tell you, the raccoons have never been happier.

[Jillian]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I am telling you right now, we are this close to fully domesticating raccoons. And I have never been happier. I love raccoons.

[Jillian]

Me, too. But it's to the point, though, the garbage is mounting up and people are throwing it at.

[Patrick Hines]

They're just throwing it everywhere. You know, that's not right. In order for me to go to.

[Robin]

Work, I'd have to grab some rocks on the road, and I would throw it to scatter the raccoons.

[Jillian]

They're not throwing them at the raccoons. They're throwing them on the street to scare the raccoons so they will run away. Because there is. When you see the images of the amount of garbage stacked up on the road, it is wild.

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, they care so much more about the garbage. They're not interested in you. I'm a raccoon apologist, but, like, we don't need to, like, stoop to rock throwing.

[Jillian]

Well, yeah, I agree. I did once hear a story about a raccoon, like a rabid raccoon biting a lady's leg and not letting go.

[Patrick Hines]

It's so sad.

[Jillian]

No, I know. They turned them into zombies.

[Patrick Hines]

They don't, like, understand. I know raccoons so much. Their hands.

[Jillian]

Can I tell you, my bestie, Adam, lived in Toronto during this mess.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, let me tell you, it happened in the summer. Like, it was like a garbage strike from June 22 to July 27. Like, just the stink. If it happened in the winter, it would be bad, but, like, a summer garbage strike.

[Jillian]

They must have done that on purpose. Like, that's very smart like that.

[Patrick Hines]

Sending a message.

[Jillian]

These sanitation workers, I get stuck behind them every single day, driving Daisy to school. They work so fucking hard, these people. They've got to have one of the hardest jobs out there, keeping our cities clean and hauling away our trash. I don't know why they're on strike, but pay them whatever the hell they want.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, the mayor at the time was David Miller, and obviously this is, like, horrible for him politically.

[Jillian]

Yeah, well, he was like, you know what? Fudge this. I'm out of here. Like, he was not sticking around to get to the end of this.

[Patrick Hines]

They say politically wounded him. It, like, it eviscerated him because he stepped down in 2010. And I. I looked into this. There's a whole Wikipedia page about this strike. Like, it affected a lot of things. Like, it really trickled down. It was really, really bad for the city.

[Jillian]

You can't imagine how bad that would be until you're living through it.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, in the summer.

[Jillian]

I mean, the garbage just, like, style, like, stacked up in the city. Also, Toronto was the fourth largest city in North America. Who knew? Yeah, I love Toronto. We've had. We. You and I had a great time in Toronto.

[Patrick Hines]

We had a great time in Toronto somewhere. The raccoons are, like, whispering like, no, keep it up. Like, they're very pro strike.

[Jillian]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

And have their little sides that they can make with their hands.

[Mark]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jillian]

The human equivalent of this would be, like, if they just. If the raccoons started stacking pizza up on the sidewalks. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I already love them.

[Jillian]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And now they're, like, handing me pizza.

[Jillian]

I didn't know this about you.

[Patrick Hines]

I think they're so. I think we're very close to domesticating them.

[Jillian]

Would you have a raccoon as a pet?

[Patrick Hines]

If I could, yeah. Yeah.

[Jillian]

They seem pretty awesome.

[Patrick Hines]

They seem also like, they love trouble.

[Jillian]

They're like a little mischievous little troublemakers.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, they're definitely little troublemakers because again, their hands, like, they can like.

[Jillian]

Have you ever a raccoon open a door?

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, you have. Oh, my God. It's all over YouTube.

[Mark]

Really?

[Patrick Hines]

And people do have them as pets. Like, people have purse. But I think, like, on a widespread. I think in our lifetime we will see domesticated raccoons.

[Jillian]

You're. I've never heard the expression domesticated raccoons.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm on domesticated raccoon talk. Oh, my God. I get a lot of videos of, like, the raccoon, like, chilling in bed, eating, like, you know how I hate the sound of a human being chewing?

[Jillian]

And you and Natalie Gurlo have that in common. It's the. It's the. What do you call that?

[Patrick Hines]

Dish foam or whatever. Natalie has it legit, like, more than I do. Like, I'm super hyper aware of it. Like, I know it's like, horrible to live in this world, but an animal, however. Yeah, give me a raccoon chomping on celery or a carrot or any animal crunching the crunchy crunch. But if it's a human, I'm like, get out.

[Jillian]

It's what I've said to you about, like, I love you dearly, but the second you become a dead body, I'm running out of the room and I.

[Patrick Hines]

Don'T need anyone around me.

[Jillian]

No, don't, don't.

[Patrick Hines]

I get it.

[Jillian]

You might have been a bad example. Like anybod else that I love. I love anyone.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, clutching my dead body at a funeral. Do you know what I mean?

[Jillian]

Yeah, you're a closed casket girly. I would.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know what I am. We've had this conversation. I don't know what. I have. No, like, death plans. She says before she gets hit by a truck.

[Jillian]

But you don't know what you. You don't want to be. You don't know that you want. I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

I haven't. I'm, like, undecided. Is that a weird thing?

[Jillian]

It's not a weird thing, but you should decide because you don't want that decision made. For you.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't.

[Jillian]

You know.

[Patrick Hines]

I know that. Does my will haunt the shit out of you if you get it wrong?

[Jillian]

Not me. I'm not.

[Patrick Hines]

Whoever gets it wrong, what would.

[Jillian]

What do you think Mike would have done for you?

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, God. That's a good question. I honestly don't know. We haven't like, really Cremation.

[Jillian]

Get rid of it. Get rid of it.

[Patrick Hines]

That's kind of my thing too, I think, but I don't know yet. Anyway, David Miller's out. It's anyone's game.

[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

That's right. And this is where we learn about Rob Ford. So his friend tells him he's got to run. Everybody else is like, girl, what are you talking about? This guy Rob Ford, we learn, is a counselor on the city council. So, like, he's Like a member of the government.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And so, like, because this, this David Miller mayor stepped down like there was no one waiting in the wings. No favorite. It was really anyone's game. So Rob Ford, we're told, considered himself, quote, a public servant. He was a man of the people, and people were pissed. It was the summer of the strike.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Mayor had really upset a lot of people. So they sort of people, like, we're learning the. The city, like, needed someone like Rob.

[Jillian]

Well, because this is where we learn how controversial he was. So as a member of counsel, he.

[Katie]

Was so aggressive that a lot of people didn't want to sit near him. And he was always changing seats until he ended up two seats away from me. Quiet.

[Jerry]

No one's talking to you.

[Jillian]

Okay, counselor. He was like the gay kid in the lunchroom. Like, nobody wanted to sit near him because he was so outspoken. He would say whatever he wanted.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like we hear immediately. I'm like, oh, God. It's pretty clear how this ends. It's like he wasn't always politically correct. He said thing and I was like, oh, God, I'm getting like war flashbacks that from the war we're currently in.

[Jillian]

It's really bad.

[Patrick Hines]

It's very familiar to us Americans because.

[Jillian]

It'S like he's saying all the bad stuff. He's like the mean bully. He's not like the sweet guy. He's not the AOC that nobody wants to see.

[Patrick Hines]

And everyone's like, oh, he said it, so now I can say it.

[Jillian]

Yeah. It's like exactly, exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Like he says, like, if you're not doing needles and you're not gay, you won't get aids. Probably. That is, he says, probably.

[Jillian]

I know. It's the most. It's. It's horrific. It's the kind of thing that, like, you hear him say something like that, and for me, you just instantly hate the guy.

[Patrick Hines]

And you can tell how uneducated he is.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So this Mark Tuohy guy, he was the chief of staff and he did not think Rob Ford could or should be mayor.

[Jillian]

He only accepted the job because he thought it would be a six week gig and he'd be done, like in no time.

[Patrick Hines]

He was here for a good time, not a long time. Exactly. Like, he didn't see this as a big commitment. And so Rob was very close with his fellow blowhard clown brother, Doug.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And Doug had, like a really big influence on him. He was the campaign manager. He was the older brother, and their.

[Jillian]

Dad'S name is also Doug. And we learned that the dad came from nothing and became a millionaire by founding a printing company. But like every. Every video we see of this guy, he looks like. Exactly. He's the personification of why dads scare me. He's mean, he's yelly, he's angry. The dad also goes into politics. He's, like, in the. He's in the chamber. I don't know what they call it in Canada. But, like, he's just screaming at people.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, they all. They're all screamers. They're all, like, blowhard clowns. And so here's the thing. Like, everything was about Rob, the guy we're talking about, wanting to please his father.

[Katie]

His father had also played football. Rob loved football, but wasn't good at it. He had no aptitude for business. So the only thing left for him to please his dad was to go into politics.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, the only thing left to do was also be a politician to, like, impress and please his dad.

[Jillian]

To which I wrote. All of these men in the world trying to work out their daddy issues through politics is so exhausting.

[Patrick Hines]

Taking it out on all of us.

[Jillian]

Yeah, yeah, work out dads.

[Patrick Hines]

Hug your journal where it belongs.

[Jillian]

Hug your boys. Tell them it's okay to say I love you, and we won't have to deal with all of this nonsense.

[Patrick Hines]

So sick of being fucking screamed at.

[Jillian]

We got here because of a garbage strike. Like, you know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

And again, sorry, raccoons for taking that away from you. It was the best summer of their little lives.

[Jillian]

And then once again, I go right back to the raccoon stacking up pizzas for the humans. Now I understand what I. Now I understand what they like about it.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, how people, like, put, like, food out to get raccoons to come to their back door. Like, the raccoons.

[Jillian]

I didn't know that.

[Patrick Hines]

The raccoons are, like, putting pizza for me.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

For me to come out and be like, hey, guys, wait.

[Jillian]

Why is Jillian wandering into the woods? The raccoons put pizza out for her.

[Patrick Hines]

Pizza out for her.

[Jillian]

Like, why they left the pizza trail out for Jillian. Did you fall from the raccoon pizza trail again?

[Robin]

I did.

[Jillian]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, me with a P puppy in the white van. Like, there I go by. So it's seven months to the election. Rob Ford is going to launch his campaign at the Toronto Congress center, which holds 5,000 people, which is a lot of people.

[Jillian]

And everyone thinks it's laughable, not just for him, but for any politician in Toronto to get 5,000 people to show up. But they do this amazing thing on launch day where they meet in the morning and they're at like a. They're going to march up to this building, but they're going to do it in such a way that they're going to march past the enormous window of the morning news station.

[Mark]

So we walk by the TV studio.

[Jillian]

Here's Rob Ford trying for his cheap plug in the background right now.

[Mark]

They stopped the breakfast morning show to mention, to talk about.

[Jillian]

Look at this, just going around the block and back and forth. There we go.

[Katie]

It was brilliant. Free publicity on launch day.

[Patrick Hines]

Free publicity. You couldn't buy that kind of publicity.

[Jillian]

That's genius.

[Patrick Hines]

It's genius. So Tom the bff, because he's now working for Rob Ford. So it was Tom the bff. It was his idea.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's gonna be with us throughout.

[Jillian]

And they get to the room, everybody's like, maybe he'll get a couple hundred people. There are thousands. And to the point that like they have to keep adding chairs. The room is full.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, the room is full. But like there were about 2,000 people there. And so Rob Ford gets up on stage and he's like, wow, thanks to all 5,000 of you that came out. It wasn't 5,000. But of course someone says like. Because if you say it, it's true. The sigh I side it's.

[Jillian]

I mean we should just get it out of the way here. Like the pre Trump parallels cannot be ignored. Did you follow this in real time? Because I did.

[Patrick Hines]

I did not.

[Jillian]

When this was happening. I could not. I was saying this to Adam earlier. Cause he's from Canada. I was like, this was so unexpected to me about Canada because Canada seems so rational and so smart and so forward thinking and you know, I know they're a country like any. But I remember when this was happening, being like this feels so out of character. Yes, it feels so out of character for Canada. Like this guy, I mean he was just insane and he was everywhere.

[Patrick Hines]

And this is 2010.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Here's the thing about that room. It had all types of people. Bankers, bus drivers, all ages, all races, all backgrounds. And so like Rob's thing was that he was like a true, true man of the people.

[Jillian]

But that shit works because we get all of these stories about how he. And I do believe that like a person who ends up the monster like him can start out as somebody who wants to do good.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

And like we were told he would give his business card out to every person that he met.

[Patrick Hines]

Everybody.

[Jillian]

And it didn't matter if you were in his district or not. If you needed that, it had his personal cell phone number on it. And if you needed something, you would call him and he would show up.

[Patrick Hines]

So Katie is a reporter here, and her friend's dad had a dead tree.

[Jillian]

In his yard, which, by the way, is a nightmare.

[Robin]

My friend's father called Rob Ford. He came to the house, he looked at the tree, and he mediated sort of a solution. So he got things done on the.

[Jillian]

Ground for Rob Ford to show up and be like, I'm gonna take care of this for you.

[Patrick Hines]

He showed up to the house and was like, let's figure this out together. And then, like, got it done.

[Jillian]

I mean, this is the way I would wanna be in politics. Like, if I were gonna. I would never be in politics, but if I was, this is the kind of politician I'd wanna be. Here's my card. Here's my number. You need something, you call me.

[Patrick Hines]

And it gets to the point where, like, you know, you tell a friend, and then he sol problems, and then, like, you're seeing it in real time. It's a good move if you use the power for good.

[Jillian]

And if you don't let, like, it's like the Brett Favre thing. If you don't let success go to your fucking head. Just keep doing the good work.

[Patrick Hines]

Just have good people around you, too.

[Jillian]

It's what I want to say.

[Patrick Hines]

You're. You're getting off track.

[Jillian]

Wait, say that again, because that is. That's such good advice.

[Patrick Hines]

You need to have good people around you who will tell you, you're getting off track here. You started out great. You got the debt. You fixed that Katie's friends, dad's problem. Thank you for that. But, like, you got to stay on that road and not the other way.

[Jillian]

And, like, just in life that is like, such a major. You have good people around you that you. And get rid of everybody else. You have to, you know.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, he's actually doing things for people. People love him for it. And he's becoming a real contender for mayor. He's very popular.

[Jillian]

And, like, that's the thing. Like, this happened with Trump. It was like he started out the last in the race. Everybody thought he was a joke. He's the yelly blowhard. But all of a sudden, all those.

[Patrick Hines]

Things still remain true. And yet.

[Jillian]

And yet the journalists start to take him seriously.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, and with that comes the digging, right? So, like, the reporters are starting to dig into his past. It's not good no, let's get into it. 1999, an impaired driving conviction in Florida.

[Jillian]

Yep.

[Patrick Hines]

He also lied about a possession of marijuana. He was arrested, which, you know how I feel. I think that's so stupid. Anyway, but the laws, whatever. 2006, this is my favorite one.

[Jerry]

I made a mistake. I'm only human.

[Jillian]

And I don't know what more to say.

[Jerry]

I apologize.

[Patrick Hines]

That apology from 2006, after he lied.

[Jillian]

About swearing, yelling at a couple during a hockey game while drunk. Now, the thing about that is the amount of swearing and yelling he must have done in order for the police to get involved is batshit crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

And what do you mean he lied about it? Like, you're telling me that he was called out and denied it, and then there's, like, undeniable proof in front of him, like, how do you know he lied about it? And also, his apology is bullshit. And this is the apology we will hear no less than 10,000 times. Look, I don't know what more to say. I'm sorry. I'm a human. I did something bad. Whatever. I'm sorry. If you want to hold on to it, I'm moving on. Whatever. I'm sorry. There's nothing more I could do. Yeah, he says that 10,000 times now.

[Jillian]

He. We're gonna learn more later. He is a serious drinker. Like. Like, drinking and getting drunk and getting out of control when he's drunk is a major issue for him. But, like, it does feel like Canada has certain, like, rules for getting drunk and yelling at hockey games that, like, only applies to Canada, you know, like.

[Patrick Hines]

That it was at a hockey game.

[Jillian]

Canada. Am I wrong? Tell me about that.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, but it doesn't even matter. Like, all these stories just keep coming out. He keeps getting more and more popular. His supporters are loving these stories. And then it's like, oh, he. Oh, what? What is he Polari. Right. Of course. Like, this is the playbook.

[Jillian]

Why do people love this?

[Patrick Hines]

Because it allows them to say things and be a way that they thought that they had to hide. And it brings, in my personal opinion, it makes people think, oh, I can do that.

[Jillian]

Now, you had that, like, in the chamber.

[Patrick Hines]

And that's how it starts. Because we've been discussing this for 10 years now about how it makes people feel seen and heard, but not in the way that, like, we want people to be seen and heard.

[Jillian]

Right? No, exactly. Yeah. Like, bringing up their racist. Classic racist, you know? Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

They get to say the shit that people, like, could. Couldn't say, and now they can, because he's Saying it because he's a mayor.

[Jillian]

Well, it's election night and guess what? This guy fucking wins, right?

[Patrick Hines]

His wife's name is Renata, which is Laura Dern's character's name in Big Little Lies.

[Jillian]

No way. Say it.

[Patrick Hines]

I will not not be rich. And then I think she hits the table. Her husband was such a piece of shit in that show.

[Jillian]

She was the CEO of PayPal or whatever. Like, was that her job?

[Patrick Hines]

She was some. I don't know if they said it was PayPal. Maybe she was on the board of PayPal or something. But she was like a major businesswoman. And she, like, didn't wanna, like, some of the stuff she said where she's like, I want to work like, I'm a mom and I also want to work like, is that so horrible?

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But her name is Renata Klein, and I've never seen the name Renata in the wild before.

[Jillian]

Well, and we also never hear about this guy's wife, ever. We see one clip of her on election night.

[Patrick Hines]

We never hear she ran for the hills, as they say.

[Jillian]

Seriously.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

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[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I like watching Supermarket Sweep. I'm not gonna go, like, play Supermarket Sweep because everyone always forgets. Oh, I have to figure out dinner tonight.

[Jillian]

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[Mark]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

We learned that like his first year actually was a good year for him.

[Mark]

For the first year, he was able to get his agenda passed. He just said, if you agree with me, I'll work with you. And if you don't, I will destroy you.

[Jillian]

If you don't, I'll destroy you.

[Patrick Hines]

Sounds familiar.

[Jillian]

So he gets a lot of shit done. He gets the city council to repeal a vehicle registration tax.

[Patrick Hines]

I also want to say about his chief of staff, Mark.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

When he won the election, he was like, a lot of people didn't think he could do it. I didn't think he could do it. And I'm like, just the words you want to hear from your chief of staff is like, I did not believe in this guy at all.

[Jillian]

No. Mark thought he was doing a six week gig.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian]

But this guy also gets the local transit workers declared an essential service so they can't strike.

[Patrick Hines]

And so we meet Josh, who's a progressive city councilor. He's the first person to tell us what Rob Ford believes in as a politician.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And Josh says he has, quote, very right wing populist positions issues, which is, you know, very like. And I'm like. And there it is.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like against the elite. It's very us versus them. It's very like anti immigrants, pro nationalism.

[Jillian]

Right. And this is, if you, if you remember the time, like we were like, we were coming out of the Obama era. You know what I mean? Well, and like that's the fudgeing pendulum swing, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So like all of this just sounds, sounds familiar.

[Jillian]

Of course. The parallels are just so undeniable.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian]

The only thing is like, this guy did it, like this guy did it all on video. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So. Because then it's like he. It's a very successful first year. We're told, like, whatever. But then someone's like, there were Little signs that Rob is very long beat, not performing at 100%. And I'm like, tell me more.

[Jillian]

Yeah, he's disappearing from meetings so he can go coach high school football. You know what? Fine.

[Patrick Hines]

I was like, oh, he also coaches high school football. Okay.

[Jillian]

And that was kind of interesting. But until we learned his passion is.

[Jerry]

Coaching high school football. And it got him into trouble when.

[Mark]

As a counselor, he used office stationary.

[Jerry]

To ask Toronto lobbyists to give money.

[Mark]

To his football foundation.

[Katie]

That's a conflict of interest. And so a court case began, which.

[Jillian]

Is a conflict of interest, which gets him almost thrown out of office.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. There's an unprecedented court case now for this. And there's footage of Rob Ford literally running from cameras and reporters to avoid questions. Running.

[Jillian]

And that's only the first of many times we're going to see this. Yeah, but think about how quaint this is. We've got a president who's, like, literally selling his, like, bitcoin from the Oval Office. And, like, but at the time, this guy soliciting donations on mayoral stationery for his, like, local football team. Get, like, gets it to the point where the judge says, yeah, that's a major conflict of interest and the only acceptable punishment is that you are fired. You're no longer the mayor.

[Patrick Hines]

And then Rob makes this about the, quote, left wing politicians who are out to destroy him. Yeah, like, no, girl, you did this to yourself.

[Jillian]

But then he, like, appeals, and this panel of three judges unanimously agree with him. And he's, like, basically carried on the shoulders of his supporters back into his office.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm like, this guy is such a clown. Like, I'm glad he helped settle Katie's friend's dad's dead tree issue. But he sucks.

[Jillian]

He sucks.

[Patrick Hines]

So February 23, 2013. Chief of Staff Mark is at a super fancy military gala because Mark was in the military for a bunch of years.

[Jillian]

Yeah. And it's this, like, story where he's like, my boss. Rob was out of town having a boys weekend in Chicago, getting fucking hammered and, like, starting fights at hockey games.

[Patrick Hines]

Chief of Staff Mark is thrilled to be away from this guy for a night, honestly.

[Jillian]

And he gets, like, hobnob with his, like, military friends, not deal with this drunk ass bus. The relief on his face as he's retelling the story all these years later that he thinks he's not going to see his boss that night.

[Patrick Hines]

And the relief that only existed for, like, 30 minutes. Like, the cocktail hour just started. And Rob Ford comes to the fancy pants gala. And Mark describes this News as crushing. Crushing. So Rob shows up. He's in the parking lot.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

This is the. Who had a very successful first year, is belligerent and hammered in the parking lot.

[Jillian]

Because remember, he just got back from Chicago. Duh Bears.

[Patrick Hines]

Duh Bears.

[Jillian]

Duh Bears. Wow.

[Patrick Hines]

I was not expecting da Bears from you.

[Jillian]

Duh Bears.

[Patrick Hines]

Dub Bears.

[Jillian]

He gets back from Chicago hammered. And, like, the body man is texting Mark, like, get out here. Like, I need you now. Mark meets Rob at the door. He's like, bitch, don't come in.

[Katie]

He's dressed in his suit, but his collars are up and one of his shirttails is untucked and he looks drenched from sweat. And I to stop him from going in the room. And he basically tells me to step out of the way or he's going to take me down.

[Patrick Hines]

He tells Mark, his chief of staff, he's like, let me into the party or I'm taking you down.

[Jillian]

He's only there for the booze. He's only there because there's, like, more booze.

[Patrick Hines]

And to, like, be a spectacle.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, to, like, crash this military gala that he knows his fans. He's like, hey, watch this.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The mayor put his chief of staff in a headlock in the parking lot outside of this fancy pants gala.

[Jillian]

Not the fun kind of headlock where you do, like, a little noogie. You know what I mean? You're like, thanks, pal. Can I tell you something quickly?

[Patrick Hines]

What?

[Jillian]

Do you know who hates being tickled? Daisy. And she, like, I would do, like, the tickle fingers. Daddy, don't tickle me. And like, that killed it because.

[Patrick Hines]

Did I change your life?

[Jillian]

You. Yes. Like, you changed my life with the tickling from whatever that. That episode was.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. The who the fuck is Romcon.

[Jillian]

Yes. I'm like.

[Patrick Hines]

And anyway, it's a form of abuse.

[Jillian]

It is. Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a form of abuse.

[Jillian]

But like. So Rob puts his chief in a headlock, then doesn't go into the party. He's, like, removed from the party.

[Patrick Hines]

Officially asked to leave the event.

[Jillian]

And everybody there is like, this is going to be in all the papers tomorrow. It absolutely was.

[Patrick Hines]

Now, let's talk about Robin Doolittle. She's an investigative journalist.

[Jillian]

What a name. Robin. It sounds like a superhero. Like, lady who works at the paper.

[Patrick Hines]

I love it. You know, someone calls her, tells her what happened. Mark was at you. You can come clean now. I think Mark was at you. Who was it?

[Jillian]

Tell us, Mark.

[Patrick Hines]

Maybe it was his chief of staff who thought this was going to Be a three week gig.

[Jillian]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

Who was crushed to hear that he show showed up to his one night away.

[Jillian]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

And then was put in a fucking headlock from in this disgusting, sweaty dude's armpit.

[Jillian]

D Bears.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know if I wouldn't be calling Robin the next morning too. To be like, help me, Robin.

[Jillian]

You're my only hope to 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

That's the only way to get out of this. Right?

[Jillian]

Robyn kind of is a superhero in.

[Patrick Hines]

This whole story because she goes, my experience covering Rob Ford really changed me as a journalist. And I'm like, Robyn, are you okay?

[Jillian]

How wild is that?

[Patrick Hines]

Really changed her. She says. And I'm not like making fun of it. I'm just saying it kind of. It stopped me in my tracks where I was like, Robyn, me too.

[Jillian]

I have the word yikes.

[Patrick Hines]

And also because every time she wrote.

[Robin]

About him, the Fords freaked out and they went, you know, totally ballistic on me and the Toronto Star.

[Jillian]

He officially cut us off.

[Jerry]

It's just lies after lies and lies. And I've called you pathological liars.

[Jillian]

Rob Ford demonizing the media years before Donald Trump did the same thing was extremely effective.

[Patrick Hines]

She says they'd go ballistic on her and the Toronto Star.

[Jillian]

And we get this video of Rob going, the Toronto Star is going after me again.

[Patrick Hines]

Again, it's.

[Jillian]

And again, my apologies, Adam and the Canadians. There's a.

[Patrick Hines]

Sounds like in here.

[Jillian]

Boots.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm not like making fun. People talk in different ways. Florida Mario. I get it.

[Jillian]

I'm just saying, like, you know, Jen says during, like, like during halftime. She says during.

[Patrick Hines]

Jennifer Smart.

[Jillian]

Jennifer Smith. Mars is during. Yeah. She's like. And I clocked. It was. I was like, I don't know what word you're saying.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jillian]

And she's like, it's during. And I was like, what do you. She's like, like at the same time. And I was like, are you trying to say during?

[Patrick Hines]

During.

[Jillian]

And it became a whole thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jillian]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

That's great.

[Jillian]

And I acquiesced because of course, I submit to women in this booth. That is the only way to.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't need anyone to say Florida.

[Jillian]

I'll say it though. I. I can't hear it now without hearing the way that you say it.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian]

Florida.

[Patrick Hines]

When people write to me about. About it, because they do.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

They spell it with like all these A's. Like.

[Jillian]

Say my favorite word that you say.

[Patrick Hines]

There are so many. Oh, laundry.

[Jillian]

Yeah, laundry. Yeah. It's so good. I love it.

[Patrick Hines]

So Rob Ford demonized the media. And someone just out, like, just says, years before Donald Trump did the same thing. Like, that's a quote from this documentary.

[Jillian]

And you hear him calling the writers of the Toronto Star pathological liars.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, look, and there's a picture the those two together.

[Jillian]

Oh, my God. But like, that's the whole thing. Cause they were saying that he wanted.

[Mark]

To plant the seeds of mistrust in the public's mind so that when the media did report something bad about him, he could say, see, they're out to get me. And he would ramp it up every time he knew that there might be another scandal.

[Jillian]

The media's out to get me. They're pathological liars. And then they write a shitty story about him. And he's like, see, right? And he like, didn't invent this playbook, obviously, but, like, now we know it so well.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's planting all these seeds of mistrust. Like, not believe anything that the media writes. But, like, he was hammered. Yes, he did yell at that couple at the hockey game.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Did get the dui. He did put his chief of staff in a headlock. There are witnesses, like, everything that is being reported. I'm just saying, like, all of these stories happen, but yet he has planted all of these seeds. Now his supporters are going to be like, no.

[Jillian]

Well, because maybe he knew that there was a secret video of him smoking crack out there.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

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[Katie]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

Stop it.

[Katie]

Nice and crispy.

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[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Zucchini chips in the air fryer last night.

[Jillian]

Are you?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know, but I'm into it, girl.

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Patrick Hines]

That's almost 50. Let's go to my personal least favorite day of the year. April Fool's Day.

[Jillian]

It feels like a day that a lot of people get tickled. I. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I just, like, I stay offline. It's that in September 11, I stay offline because I can't believe anything I read on April Fool's Day. And I just don't need to see that fucking video of 911 ever again.

[Jillian]

Tom, can you please make a note to send me a thing for the calendar for next year about, like, Jillian hating April Fool's Day? That would be perfect. Will you just text me that later.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, lock myself inside?

[Jillian]

Really?

[Patrick Hines]

I hate April Fool's Day.

[Jillian]

You lock yourself inside. Did something bad happen? No.

[Patrick Hines]

I just don't like the fact that people are trying to trick everybody. It feels, like, not nice to me.

[Jillian]

I feel like most people, in fairness, don't participate.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

It's not like they're. They're, like, running around, like, causing hijinks.

[Patrick Hines]

And I know so much of it is all in good fun. I get it. But, like, I just don't, like, it's.

[Jillian]

A very you thing. I get it. Like, I would be like, if I first met you today, I'd be like, I bet she doesn't like tickling her apron. Like, I would. Definitely. It's very on. It's on brand for you in the most, like, loving way possible.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just. I can't be any other way.

[Jillian]

I totally like. It's just.

[Patrick Hines]

This is me. I've been the same, you know? Like, of course I evolve as a person. I learn and grow, but it's like, certain things will never change.

[Jillian]

Yeah. You should have. Fuck April Fool's Day.

[Patrick Hines]

I just think it's, like, say it with me, fam.

[Jillian]

Fuck April Fool's Day.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank you. I just think we have better use of our time.

[Jillian]

Yeah. However, something kind of crazy happens on.

[Patrick Hines]

This April Fool's Day, so. Because. Because, like, this is why. Because Robin gets a phone call.

[Robin]

I remember getting a call from this guy who said he had a video of Ford smoking crack. It was April Fool's Day, which is never the day you want to get a call like that, that I have.

[Patrick Hines]

A video of Rob Ford smoking crack. And she's like, hearty har heart. I know it's April 1st.

[Jillian]

The guy's like, I know it's April Fool's Day. Stay with me. Meet me in a car. I'm going to take you to a second location. Which literally happens and which is the.

[Patrick Hines]

Thing everyone's told to never do. Go to a second location.

[Jillian]

She's like, let me see that. She's like, I took it as serious as I could her. And she says. References being with another person.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank God, because she says we and us. But she meets this person in a parking lot.

[Jillian]

They're like, leave your bag, leave your phone, get in this car, go to the second location. And she does it.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's like two anonymous people and then Robin and the person that were Robin brought with her.

[Jillian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And so the people play the video for Robin, but won't let her touch the phone. So like they're playing it and just holding the phone in front of her face and.

[Jillian]

Because can't you just hear, like quickly texting it to herself? You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like, what is she gonna do?

[Jillian]

I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

You're all sitting in a car in a parking lot. Just grab whatever. Everyone wants to be Deep Throat. Everyone wants to make it this big. Like what will be an award winning motion picture. Like, we're not here. You get the Netflix doc called Train Wreck. We're not getting an Academy Award winning film.

[Jillian]

Chris, far God rest his soul, would have done this guy's story justice if.

[Patrick Hines]

This happened 10 years, 20 years ago, 1994 or whatever. Like, yes, yes. So the second the video starts, she's like, oh my God, this is 100% Rob Ford. She knows it's authentic.

[Jillian]

Immediately, it's Rob Ford smoking crack cocaine.

[Patrick Hines]

He's smoking something out of a glass pipe.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, she goes, no question. Like, holy shit.

[Jillian]

And they want to sell this video to the Toronto Star for $100,000. But like any responsible like, like journalist organization, they don't pay for stories.

[Patrick Hines]

She goes, the Canadian media doesn pay for news. We're not the National Enquirer or tmz.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So the. But here's the thing. The Toronto Star wants to publish the story and they're taking some time because they don't have the video. But journalistically, yeah, I think it's more.

[Jillian]

About liability because it's kind of like if you say that you saw. Like, anybody can say that we saw a video of anything.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly. So they're trying to figure out how they can write about the story without paying for the video. Like, they're just kind of taking their time. Meanwhile, two weeks later, Gawker and in the United States posts it.

[Jillian]

It's my understanding that Gawker publishes a story about having seen it because the video still is not out.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian]

So, like, Gawker is fine to not have possession of that video. They don't care. They just. They, like. The writer of this article saw a video of Rob Ford smoking crack. That's good enough for Gawker.

[Patrick Hines]

So now Robin and the Toronto Star can go forward with the story saying, we are confirming Gawker's story because Robin saw the video.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

And she goes, it was on the front page the next day.

[Jillian]

Yeah. I mean, like, this was incredibly shocking. This was when I became aware of the. That, like, the mayor of Toronto was on video smoking crack and yet not being recalled. There weren't riots in the street because.

[Patrick Hines]

Chief of Staff Mark goes to Rob and he's like, hey, yeah, hey, girl.

[Katie]

So I called him and I said, rob, they say they have a video of you smoking crack cocaine. And he told me, don't worry, buddy, there's no video. And that was not the answer I wanted to hear.

[Patrick Hines]

Rob Ford replies, don't worry, buddy, there's no video.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And not the response. If you came to me and said, jillian, there's a video of you smoking crack cocaine, I'd say that's AI. Bullshit. That's weird.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, yeah, I'd say there's no video because I've never once done that in my life.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

My response would be like, don't worry, girl, there's no video. Wink, wink.

[Jillian]

But that's the thing about Rob Ford, is that, like, he's gotten away with everything. So he. He's like, we'll learn later. He has no memory of the video being taken, and the only other person in the room was the guy taking the video. Like it. When we see the images of him smoking crack, it really is disturbing to me.

[Patrick Hines]

It's incredibly disturbing. Yeah, it's very. It's scary to watch. I don't like it.

[Jillian]

That's exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't like it.

[Jillian]

So then Rob holds a press conference saying, gawker ran the story, the Toronto Star ran the story. All of it is horseshit. None of it is true.

[Patrick Hines]

Everyone's out to get me. It's the left wing, blah, blah, blah. The same shit.

[Jillian]

And his whole staff is like, if Rob said it didn't happen, then it didn't happen. Our story was always the same as Rob's.

[Patrick Hines]

And the public, his supporters, are falling for it. Again.

[Jillian]

Robyn tells us there was a poll done of Toronto citizens. 50% of Torontoans believed that the story was fake.

[Patrick Hines]

The media is out to get Rob Ford, is what they believe.

[Jillian]

Yes. And Robin says. I. She says, quote, I just didn't understand how much people distrusted the media and how successful the Fords had been at framing the media as a political opponent.

[Patrick Hines]

Because now Robin's getting death threats. Of course she is.

[Jillian]

Yes. I just wanted to take a second and say, like, that's really dangerous when we. Like, we are currently living in a time when politicians have successfully been able to make the public believe that true things are not true. You know, and that's really. I mean, we are in unprecedented times. And I just wanted to say, like, this is. It's scary.

[Jerry]

That's all.

[Patrick Hines]

It's that when Fox News had to come out and be like, well, Sean Hannity's not like a journalist. You can't believe anything he says.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

He's on a news channel. That's how they got around that lawsuit.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Because how dare you believe anything he says? He's not telling. He's not bound to tell you the truth. And I'm like, but it says news in the name, Right?

[Jillian]

I know. It's so scary.

[Patrick Hines]

So Chief of Staff Mark, the one who was crushed that Rob Ford crashed his fancy military party. He's the only one.

[Jillian]

Guy just wanted one night off, and.

[Patrick Hines]

He never wanted this job to begin with. He's the only one who's seeing everything for what it is. Like, he's putting the pieces together. He's doing the math. And so Chief of Staff Mark wants Rob Ford to go to rehab. And he was constantly, constantly bringing it up.

[Katie]

And I knew then that by giving him only the. That choice, he would either eventually give in and go, or he would fire me. And he chose option B to fire me.

[Patrick Hines]

Guess what he does?

[Jillian]

He fires him.

[Patrick Hines]

Door number two.

[Jillian]

I'm like, mark, I don't think there was ever any other option. I think this was always what was going to happen.

[Patrick Hines]

Mark was like, this is how I get fired, and I'm free of this. But maybe some good will come of it and the guy will actually go to rehab. Like, Mark is doing it for, like, the good of the people, for good for Rob. Like, he has the best interest of all of us at heart here.

[Jillian]

No it's true. And Mark is, like, to be made an example of. Mark is marched out the front door in front of all of the cameras.

[Patrick Hines]

This is what happens. This is what happens against me now. You're fired. And Mark's like, happily, he gets in.

[Jillian]

His car and he drives out of that parking garage so fast.

[Patrick Hines]

Marks on the.

[Jillian]

Yeah. And you see, like, the journalists who were there for this are like, what is happening?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

Like, that's the number two, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And like, we learned that this is a pivotal moment in this story.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Because everyone knows something big is coming. Mark was the adult in the room. Mark was the North Star or whatever. And now Mark is gone and made an example of, so to speak. So now we don't know what it is, but we can feel it. Like winds in the east like that. Like, everyone's like, what? Like, something's coming.

[Jillian]

Something wicked this way comes and we.

[Patrick Hines]

Don'T know something's coming. Something good.

[Jillian]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

West side Story. Something bad. So six months, I did the Snap as if I'm a Wendy Jet.

[Jillian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

For a different song. I conflated two songs.

[Jillian]

You know what? You can do whatever you want. This is your booth.

[Patrick Hines]

Dance at the gym was amazing.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

My dad first seeing dance at the gym, like, it changed his life.

[Jillian]

Really?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

And your dad's not gay?

[Patrick Hines]

No, but. No, but my parents saw everything. They saw. I always forget what it is.

[Jillian]

Escaped a serial killer.

[Patrick Hines]

They escaped a serial killer. They saw, like, the Exorcist and Jaw in the movies.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Jaws in the movies. But I have a story about when my parents saw something on Broadway. I'll tell it later because I want to get all the facts right.

[Jillian]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like a. It's a. It's a historical event. And Lin Manuel Miranda's parents were also in the theater on that same night.

[Jillian]

I've got two words. Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But we didn't know.

[Jillian]

10 years. It's been 10 years, and I haven't heard this story. 10 years. I didn't even know of the existence of this story until today.

[Patrick Hines]

Wait, I'll find it, because I don't want it. Do you have. Can you wait?

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. So my parents also were there. The famous, famous, famous story of Richard Burton in Camelot where they closed the curtain on him because he was hammered.

[Jillian]

What?

[Patrick Hines]

My parents were there.

[Jillian]

I don't know this story.

[Patrick Hines]

The story is pretty much that. That Richard Burton was the star of Camelot lot and was absolutely hammered. And they were, like, closing the curtain on him, and he Was screaming like, pull it up, bring it up. And like refused to leave. And then like out comes the understudy. Like nothing ever happened.

[Jillian]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

But it was like a scene and my parents were there and it turns out randomly, like, obviously I just learned this, but Lin Manuel Miranda's parents were also there at that show.

[Jillian]

That is wild.

[Patrick Hines]

My parents, pirates have like, they've lived.

[Jillian]

They'Ve lived by the skin of their teeth.

[Patrick Hines]

Everything, like they saw everything, they went, whatever. But they were there like the, the famous, like Richard Burton drunk on Broadway.

[Jillian]

Like that is wild because everyone wanted.

[Patrick Hines]

To like go see Richard Burton, of course, hammered. And the way my dad says the impression, he's like, bring it up. Like they pulled. They put the curtain down on him. They were like a nut. Like he was like on. It's like sad to, you know, but it's like a moment.

[Jillian]

There are parallels to the very story we're telling it.

[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

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[Jillian]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Come on. Immune system. So, anyway, it's six months later, Halloween 2013. Robin, the investigative journalist gets a text from a police source saying, girl, if you're not near a tv, get to one right now. You're going to want to see this.

[Jillian]

So Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair comes out to, like, hold a press conference to tell the world that they are in possession of the video of Rob Ford smoking crack cocaine, which he has denied, says does not exist.

[Patrick Hines]

How do they have it? I'm so glad you asked.

[Jillian]

This is insane.

[Robin]

The crack video was captured in a massive gun smuggling range after a horrible shooting in Toronto. And ultimately it was the individuals targeted in this investigation that the mayor was seeming to be buying and smoking serious drugs with.

[Patrick Hines]

Which means that the people doing the gun smuggling were the same people selling or giving or whatever. Rob Ford his crack cocaine.

[Jillian]

These are Rob Ford's friends. These are the people that he's hanging out with and doing crack with him.

[Patrick Hines]

He's a mayor. He has like, he has like. It's a conflict of interest yet again. But at the very least, more than.

[Jillian]

That, like these people are, you have to remember, Canada is not America. Like, guns are not prevalent in Canada the way that they are here. Yeah. These are the worst of the worst. People smuggling in guns and drugs. And drugs. Doing crack with the mayor and recording.

[Patrick Hines]

It and recording it.

[Jillian]

Like somebody had the foresight to record this video for whatever use in the future.

[Patrick Hines]

And here's the thing, Rob, for to be like, there's no video, buddy.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

If you smoked crack cocaine and then, like, just assume there's no video, you have to make the assumption the other way. You have to be like, I probably did some crazy shit, I don't remember on crack cocaine, there might be a video. The thing about person in power, they can use this to blackmail me, whatever. Like, you just have to be aware.

[Jillian]

That is true. One of our talking heads says that later, like, he put himself in a blackmail scheme just waiting to happen.

[Patrick Hines]

And that isn't what happened? Weirdly enough, no.

[Jillian]

But also Rob comes out and doubles down. This video does not exist. I've never seen it. The police are lying.

[Patrick Hines]

He goes, look, there's no reason for me to resign. I'm. Some of us have to go to work.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Journalists and reporters. So I'm going to go back. I have a lot of phone calls. I have about 10 emails. I got to write back.

[Jillian]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm going to. If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go do the things that all of you elected me to do. Good day.

[Jillian]

Because the police are saying they have the video, but they're not releasing it. So Rob is still able to say, this video is not real. This video does not exist.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, I have to assume at this point he's just buying time.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He has to know that it's all going to come crashing down.

[Jillian]

My question is, like, why wouldn't the police release it at this point? You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Because it must be a much, much bigger case.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The gun smuggling ring. Like, this is a train wreck. No pun intended. Or like, but. But like, this is. I think they have bigger fish to fry right now.

[Jillian]

Well, this is where we meet Jerry. And his lower third is Rob Ford's special assistant. And we see him in this video. We see, like, when Rob comes out to be, like, nothing to see here. I'm going back to work. We see this, like, big, buff man, like, trying to, like, he's like a security guy trying to hold off the masses.

[Patrick Hines]

So, like, at that moment, we're just talking about. Jerry's doing security at. Yes. So the reporters are clamoring and Rob Ford is being like, if you'll excuse me, some of us have work to do.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And immediately after that chaotic press conference, Rob Ford turns to Jerry and he's like, you're my body man now. Like, quit your job. You work for me.

[Jillian]

And, like, Jerry seems like a nice guy, I guess, but he's here to be like.

[Jerry]

I was just like, holy crap. It's not every day that the mayor of the biggest city in Canada asks you to come work for him, you know?

[Jillian]

And so I was like, okay, he's honored to go work for this man.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's not like this was a successful press conference.

[Jillian]

No. And like, just. Just, by the way, like, Jerry, after everything comes out, is never at any point like, yeah, he shouldn't have done that.

[Patrick Hines]

He's an apologist.

[Jillian]

No, a total apologist for this guy.

[Patrick Hines]

And Jerry's like, look, I was dropped into the eye of the hurricane. It was Relentless. And I was like, so basically, it was basically as if Rob Ford was Britney Spears in 2006. He can't go anywhere without reporters and cameras and whatever. And he's screaming, get off my property. Like, they're fighting and screaming at each other.

[Jillian]

I just want to say to the Jerry's of the world, and I want you to hear me when I say this, you can say no. When the most powerful, politically corrupt person comes to you and offers you a job, you can say no. You don't have to be wowed by how powerful they are in the moment, because this moment is going to pass.

[Patrick Hines]

About, like, weirdly denying video about smoking crack cocaine with a bunch of gun smugglers after they killed people.

[Jillian]

Like, not the opportunity that you think it is, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

And I could understand maybe we say this all the time. So I'm sorry to be repeating myself, but if. Even if the. The Jerry's and also BFF Tom, you're part of this too.

[Jillian]

All of these people.

[Patrick Hines]

Not our dear editor Tom, but like, the guy. Because at the end, these two in particular are very, like, he was so wonderful.

[Jillian]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, if you say at the time, I don't know, Jerry's story. Jerry could have been real down on his luck.

[Jillian]

Sure.

[Patrick Hines]

But if he said, if he was just more honest about the full picture of this guy, it would be a little easier to hear, like, wow, like, that time was really hard for Jerry and this guy helped him. But also, like, just admit he bad shit, man.

[Jillian]

Yes. And especially it's gonna get so much worse.

[Patrick Hines]

So Rob is literally knocking people over and running away, and everyone in Rob's camp is acting like he has nothing to answer for.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

And this is international news.

[Katie]

He became the punchline to jokes on late night talk shows.

[Mark]

Is this dude on crack?

[Jerry]

He needs professional help. He needs amateur help. He needs. He can go see a witch doctor.

[Jillian]

But to be fair, there's not a lot to do in Toronto. Come on, guys. It was everywhere. It's all over the late night shows. It's all over all of American media. We forget how big Gawker was. Gawker was everywhere.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you remember the Gawker soccer? It made me fudgeing crazy.

[Jillian]

What now?

[Patrick Hines]

The Gawker soccer.

[Jillian]

I don't even know what that second word is that you're saying.

[Patrick Hines]

Stalker.

[Jillian]

The Gawker stalker. No. Tell me everything.

[Patrick Hines]

It was this really shitty thing that Gawker used to have where you would be like, walking around and then submit where you saw a celebrity.

[Jillian]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

And it was like, really? It would be like, you know, I saw Julianne Moore at the Barnes and Noble and whatever. And then, like, they wouldn't vet it, or they are. Like, it turned into being like, she looked like shit. Like, it just became this horrible, like, celebrity thing.

[Jillian]

I kind of loved got, and I.

[Patrick Hines]

Ended up making a fake one. I think it was called, like, Mocker Stalker. And then it was just me writing, like, oh, my joke about, like, how, like, ridiculous Gawker is. Like, they never should have allowed it. Eventually got shut down.

[Jillian]

Oh, they got sued into the ground. Like, they got sued into a.

[Patrick Hines]

They wouldn't vet it. And you could be there in real time. Like, what if you're next door checking it and then you go. And just like, I want to go, like, stalk the celebrity.

[Jillian]

I know. I did not know about that. But I. I was into Gawker. Like, I had a desk job. I was a concierge, and there was a lot of downtime. And I would read Gawker like, cover to cover every day.

[Patrick Hines]

Because they're the ones who, like, didn't hem and haw over two weeks about how to publish the story.

[Jillian]

That's exactly right. They would just fucking do it.

[Patrick Hines]

Meanwhile, Rob is denying up and down, and now he's like, you know what? Release the video. The people deserve to see it. He's like, calling the bluff of the police. Guess what, girl? It's not a bluff.

[Jillian]

No. And they fucking do it. So two days later, Rob is back in front of the cameras.

[Jerry]

You guys have asked me a question back in May, and you can repeat that question.

[Mark]

Do you smoke crack cocaine?

[Jerry]

Exactly. Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. But no, do I. Am I an addict?

[Katie]

No.

[Jerry]

Have I tried it? Probably in one of my drunken stupors. Probably approximately about a year ago, fully.

[Jillian]

Admitting to smoking crack cocaine.

[Patrick Hines]

At first, no one knows. He's like, hey, everybody.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He has a million press conferences, and it's all the same sort of script.

[Jillian]

Did you notice, though, it's never, like, a proper press conference. It's always, like, in a lobby, like.

[Patrick Hines]

By a Starbucks, the parking lot, or like, in the alleyway on the way to the parking lot.

[Jillian]

They're always, like, impromptu press conferences.

[Patrick Hines]

It's weird, but he goes, hey, everybody, go ahead, ask me what you wanted to ask me. In May.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And they're like, may, how many things have happened? Like, because so many crazy things have happened. They're like, in May, you hear one.

[Jillian]

Guy go, did you smoke crack cocaine?

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like, oh, right.

[Jillian]

All right.

[Patrick Hines]

Did the crack? Did you really do it. And Rob Ford says. This is what he says. He goes, yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. Do I smoke it? No.

[Katie]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

Have I tried it? And this is a quote, direct quote, probably in one of my drunken stupid, like a year ago.

[Jillian]

But this is where I'm like, wait a second. Like, now the drunken stupors aren't a big deal because we're talking about the crack cocaine smoking.

[Patrick Hines]

And then he does the same non apology where he's like, yes, I've made mistakes. All I can do.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Is apologize and move on. I'm ready to move on. Some of us have work to do. If you want to hang onto this, that's your. Then it becomes like, I know. How is this my problem?

[Jillian]

I know, I know. It's. It's absolutely wild. And then we see the video.

[Patrick Hines]

He just keeps talking. He just keeps talking. And he goes, there have been times where I've been in a drunken stupor. The second time he's used that phrase.

[Jerry]

I want everyone in the city to see this tape. I'd like to see this tape. I don't even recall there being a tape in a video. And I know that. So I want to see the state that I was in. But that's exactly. I want to. I want to get. I said.

[Jillian]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

The reporter asked what we're all thinking. Are you on drugs, like, right now?

[Jillian]

Then he takes that as his exit.

[Patrick Hines]

Line because he just keeps going. And you're like, so you're now saying that it probably exists, but you were too fucked up to remember, and you want to, like, see how crazy you were in the moment.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

But then we see the video and it is like we were saying, it is so upsetting to watch.

[Patrick Hines]

It's really. You're just like, where I. I just don't like seeing someone so, like, out of control like that. It makes me feel scared for them.

[Jillian]

Well, he's having a conversation with the person who's taking the video and he doesn't remember the video being taken.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

And like, to see, like, the actual thing that he's smoking, it's just very. It's like when you see somebody making such a horrendously destructive choice.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian]

It's just. And like, he's not a physically well man anyway. And all I can think of is, like, you're gonna have a heart attack and die on this video.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So, of course, like, Rob's team didn't know he was going to do this because they've all been defending him for the last six Months.

[Jillian]

They all believed him and they all perpetuated his lies. And they are the ones who are feeling like they lied to Toronto. They lied to the world, they lied to their spouses. This one guy, Tom, the social media guy, BFF Tom.

[Mark]

I was the longest serving staffer the entire time. I was working 24 hours a day, seven days a week. So much so that my wife left me. You know, I had misled Toronto residents for all that time and then proven wrong by the man himself. So it took a real toll on me.

[Patrick Hines]

He was like, you don't understand. Working and defending this guy was my whole life. So much so that my wife left me.

[Jillian]

Full time job.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, it's crazy. So press conference number, I don't know, 32, whatever. Just to guess at this point.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

He's more solemn this time around.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like, I forever be sorry again. I love you.

[Jillian]

I love you too, Canada. You know I do.

[Patrick Hines]

Here's a real sentence that a real person says about the mayor of Toronto. Right after Rob admitted to smoking crack, everything seemed to completely implode. Like, basically, as if it can't get any worse, it just gets worse.

[Jillian]

This is the thing, because now all these other videos are coming out and I was saying this to you off Mike, like, if I knew that there were this many videos of me being like, drunk and screaming at people. You don't run for office.

[Patrick Hines]

You shut up is what you do.

[Jillian]

You know what I mean? Like, how do you run for office knowing there's all this shit?

[Patrick Hines]

You don't demand the video be put out.

[Jillian]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

What I can't understand is like, okay, you know you've smoked crack.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Someone saying there's video of you smoking crack.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

You don't remember it. Like, you have to kind of. You. You don't have to be Colombo to figure out, like, maybe because I smoked crack. I don't remember the video exactly. Like, it just seems like, not a far.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

We're not going 10 miles. We're going an inch in your little brain to be like, wait a second, I probably remember. But more videos are coming out.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And they're all insane. Like, he's. He's acting out beating someone to death.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And every time a video comes out, it's the same old scene of Rob Ford surrounded by cameras in a parking lot or a driveway doing the whole like, what do you want me to say?

[Jillian]

Oh, my God. Somebody asks him, have you bought illegal drugs in the last two years? He says, yes. Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like, what do you vultures want? I know, I apologize. Let's move on. And I'm like, you can't. You. You can maybe probably not even say that once. This is the 11 million time he's saying it.

[Jillian]

Is it time to talk about Olivia Gondak?

[Patrick Hines]

Ok, okay. So another day, another drama.

[Katie]

Drama.

[Patrick Hines]

He'd apologize, then he'd get angry. You do what you want. I'm moving on. It was endless. But then again, the same scene. He's surrounded by cameras for the millionth time. Now, he had previously, like, they just dropped this in that, like, in the middle of all this, probably, what, six months ago, he was accused of, quote, demeaning a staffer named Olivia Gondek.

[Jillian]

He's the active mayor of Toronto.

[Patrick Hines]

He's talking to the press. No one's asking him anything. No, he's just talking.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Unprompted.

[Jillian]

Unprompted.

[Patrick Hines]

He goes, oh, are you going to say it? I. I'm going to say. He goes, oh, lastly.

[Jerry]

Oh, and the last thing was Olivia Gond. It says that I wanted to eat her gond. I've never said that. I'm happily married. I've got more than enough to eat at home, thank you very much.

[Jillian]

Are you kidding me? Oh, I know. We're uploading.

[Patrick Hines]

I've got more than enough to eat at home. Thank you very much for all your questions. Good night, everybody.

[Jillian]

Now, the reaction from the media is unbelievable. He turns and walks away. It cuts to a shot from behind the gathered press corps and Katie, who's with us.

[Patrick Hines]

Katie's friend's dad got help with the train.

[Jillian]

Yes, yes. And she's, like, fanning her face. I think she's also thinking about, like, we can't say that word on TV now. The station's gonna get fined. She cannot believe that he just said that to the assembled reporters.

[Patrick Hines]

And she handles it in the best way possible, to be honest, because he says it, then repeats her name randomly and then says this horrible thing. And it's like, first of all, is Olivia okay? We never hear from her again. No, I looked her up. She resigned, of course, and now she has another job since 2012. But, like, my jaw is dropped. But Katie does a great job because she's shocked, she's honest. She's not trying to act like that didn't happen.

[Jillian]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

She's just sort of all of us in that moment. And she's like, okay, well, he said a bunch of shit. A bunch of stuff we can't say on tv.

[Jillian]

Yep.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm shocked. I'm sure you are, Tom. Back to you with the weather or whatever.

[Jillian]

The one thing I loved about this section was that they say to us, like, the thing about, about this kind of insanity is that people can become numb to it. But that was not happening here. People were like, this is bonkers beyond any comprehension. So people are very aware of how this man should be governing the city. Remember, we got here because of a garbage strike. You know what I mean? We should be dealing with this kind of stuff.

[Patrick Hines]

The raccoons are like, yeah, get that other guy back. We loved him campaigning.

[Jillian]

They have the. Jillian, come back here. That pizza's not for you.

[Patrick Hines]

But it is. They left it for me.

[Jillian]

Oh my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Trail of, of pizza boxes. But now, because it keeps getting worse, there is a video. It's like he has again, like, you're saying he should be governing a city. He has a lot of time to be caught on video doing horrible things.

[Jillian]

It's always two in the morning and he's always hammered.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And it's always like, where are they? I know, like, whatever. So there's now a video of Rob Ford ranting about the police chief. The same guy who told the world that the crack pipe video is real.

[Jillian]

The same guy that he was begging to release the tape, that just went ahead and released the tape.

[Patrick Hines]

But Rob is ranting about him in a Jamaican accident.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's once again hammered out of his mind. He's stumbling around. He's doing this at a Jamaican fast food restaurant. Like, he's at the counter, you can see the menu, you can see the fountain. Coke. It's Pepsi, unfortunately. But like the soda machine behind him.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And Jerry, the security guy, who I have to say is a black guy.

[Katie]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Just keeps making excuses for racist behavior.

[Jillian]

Is also saying, oh, I gotta take some ownership here.

[Jerry]

Okay.

[Jillian]

So Rob really loves spicy food.

[Jerry]

We get talking about Jamaican food and he would chirp me, be like, oh.

[Jillian]

Buddy, you don't know, man.

[Jerry]

You don't buddy.

[Jillian]

And then that's where we would banter.

[Jerry]

Back and forth in patois.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's doing that thing where he's like defending his friend and just trying to be like, context matters. Like, whatever, man. It's just. It's bad luck after bad luck after bad luck. And he's not a good guy.

[Jillian]

He's not. That's the thing, Jerry. Like, in the end, Jerry's going to be crying about how much he misses him and loved him and how much he learned from him. Jerry.

[Patrick Hines]

Because it's not like two friends with an inside joke. And like, oh, this isn't for. I. I don't know. It's different. This guy is, like, sexually harassing people and far worse. And like, his. His best friends are gun smugglers who are killing the people of Toronto that he should be protecting and guns.

[Jillian]

But then they also took a video of him smoking crack and tried to sell it to the newspaper. Like, not making great choices here. I mean, you know who is making great choices? The city council.

[Patrick Hines]

Because Josh finally is like, am I crazy?

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, this was a real investigation by police. Rob Ford got caught. Like, which, by the way, opens him up to all this extortion. He was doing this while he was the mayor of Toronto because he got.

[Jillian]

Caught smoking crack cocaine with gun gunrunners, opening himself up to extortion as the mayor of Toronto who had influence over the police budget. Right. This guy's like, am I the only one seeing this?

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, josh, come sit next to me. Literally, finally someone is saying it. Like, obviously, he can't be mayor anymore. Right?

[Jillian]

Well, but that's the thing that the city council is saying that, like, they can't remove him as mayor, only the voters can. And I don't know why they don't do a recall like they do in the United States, but they don't because.

[Patrick Hines]

They'Re like, hey, Rob, can you please resign? And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. He did a million things wrong. Provable things that are wrong. Like, why are we asking him to do us a solid and step down? Does this look like the type of person who's gonna do that?

[Jillian]

And of course he doesn't. So the city council has to come together and they decide to vote to remove his powers.

[Patrick Hines]

The whole scene.

[Jillian]

I mean, it's a whole scene, but, like, at least this is an option. So it's November 15, 2013. City council debates Rob Ford's position as mayor.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, why is there a debate?

[Jillian]

And that's the whole thing. Rob Ford is allowed to come and, like, scream at everybody in the council cham as the city council is about to vote to take away his power. They say all hell broke loose. That's an expression that we don't hear enough. It's one of my favorites.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. Remember that? We said it from some episode, I can't remember. All hell breaks loose. There's a fucking melee on the floor.

[Jillian]

There's a literal Rob Ford at one point is, gotta go beat some guy's ass. He's running up the aisle, he knocks into this council member. Pam McConnell knocks her over, and she's.

[Patrick Hines]

Like an older woman.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

His clown brother is there yelling and threatening people. Other people are going, shame, shame, shame. And I'm like, why is this a circus? There should be a dry thing. Why is this a debate? Why are we asking him? Why is his brother allowed to scream at everyone? Like, get these two fucking clowns out of my face, Canada.

[Jillian]

What happened up there?

[Patrick Hines]

And Josh is like, look, I don't know. But he explains to the best of his ability, he's like, we could not remove Rob Ford as mayor. Only the electorate can do that. But what he could do in that moment is remove the powers of mayor and then give those powers to the deputy mayor, and then everyone else works together to run the city. And I'm like, this just seems overly complicated. Like, what am I missing here?

[Jillian]

You know what? It doesn't seem complicated to run Rob. Who sums it up by saying this, folks?

[Jerry]

Reminds me of when Saddam attacked Kuwait. You guys have just attacked Kuwait.

[Jillian]

You guys have just attacked Kuwait.

[Patrick Hines]

People are just openly laughing at him.

[Jillian]

At this point, but thank God, finally.

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, then there's, like, nothing they can do, right? And it's like, so he's just going to, like, knock people over. We see him knock women over a lot.

[Jillian]

It's crazy. And what's even crazy crazier is that after having all of his mayoral powers removed, he does not just resign in shame like anybody else fucking would.

[Patrick Hines]

He leans into the scandal, and he.

[Jillian]

Decides five months later he's going to run for reelection and people support him.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, why am I looking at campaign headquarters? Why am I looking at volunteers showing off? Vote for Rob Ford buttons. I know the news. Why are people chanting, four more years.

[Jillian]

And people are saying that he has a pretty good shot of actually winning. Like, what are you to. Your mayor was caught. He was exposed on camera smoking, smoking crack.

[Patrick Hines]

This is when I was like, I want to go home with the drug smugglers.

[Jillian]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't like this. This is too. Like, we've done this. I know how this. I've seen this film before. I don't like the ending. I don't want to do this again.

[Jillian]

So it's April 2014. Robin has left Toronto Star. She's now joined the Globe and Mail. And three days into her job, she gets a call from someone else saying they've got another video of Rob Ford smoking crack.

[Patrick Hines]

There is yet another. And it's a different video.

[Jillian]

It's a different video. She goes, I Just remember standing there going, oh, damn.

[Patrick Hines]

And they know that Robin's the person. Person a call.

[Jillian]

Yeah, well, and she got the done this time because she's like, look, Canadian media will pay for freelance photos. Like, we can't buy a video. But she's like, why don't we buy five screenshots from this video for $2,000 a piece? And she's like, the Globe just said, yes, they just got it.

[Patrick Hines]

That's 10 grand they ever spent.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So enough is enough, right? Like Rob Ford's. He hits his rock bottom.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Finally someone got through to him. I don't know if it was Mark or something or he just thinks it'll be good optics for whatever the reason.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

This guy finally goes to treatment.

[Jillian]

Well, it just seems like maybe like Toronto was willing to give him a pass for smoking crack. That one.

[Patrick Hines]

Because people like, look, people have demons, people have things that they're going through. Like, if this guy's gonna say, I need to stop, I am being terrible. I need to make the right decision to get myself help. Fucking great.

[Jillian]

Well, you cannot have a mayor who is chronically smoking crack. You can't have that.

[Patrick Hines]

How many crack videos?

[Jillian]

And getting his crack from the gun smugglers in a country that doesn't have guns.

[Patrick Hines]

Who killed people who live in your city. Yes, but I egg on my face. Because the minute he gets out, he's back in the media.

[Mark]

He also invited wrestlers, celebrities to who show up at his office. And he created a carnival atmosphere.

[Jillian]

Remember one of those accidental tirades? He did say that he would kick my butt.

[Patrick Hines]

He's arm wrestling Hulk Hogan. Another fucking nightmare.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He's doing press conferences with Mike Tyson. A monster.

[Jillian]

I knew you were gonna like that.

[Patrick Hines]

And then suddenly, in the middle of this, like, press tour, his like, his like I'm back tour. Just so, like again, interacting with the worst of the worst.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He is rushed to the hospital complaining of really bad stomach pains.

[Jillian]

Yeah. And then they find a tumor like he's got. He doesn't just have cancer. He has a very rare, very aggressive, very difficult form of cancer.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian]

And it is aggressive.

[Patrick Hines]

It's very aggressive. And instead of taking care of himself, he's going to use this press.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

To keep. So he drops out of the race for mayor, but he instead runs for candidate for a city council. Like in his. In his war.

[Jillian]

His old council seat. Like he. Yeah, he's just going back to that job and his. His brother Doug is now going to take the mantle and like, run for mayor. And they're like, he had 30 days left in the campaign. And, like, he was doing so well because people loved Rob so much that Doug had a real shot of winning.

[Patrick Hines]

And thank God the blowhard brother loses.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

But Rob Ford wins.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

He wins 58% of the vote. And people are crying on the news saying, thank you, Jesus. And I feel certifiably insane. Take me away right now. They're going to come take me away.

[Jillian]

Like, I know, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank you, Jesus. Like, and the thing is, I understand, like, because now I'm the asshole, Right? The guy has fucking cancer.

[Jillian]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And I think now a lot of people, his supporters, who are just like, that crack video doesn't exist. Or even if it did.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Then we see a lot of this. Right? Yeah, but.

[Jillian]

Right, exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

A lot of. Yeah, but. And what about ism? And so now you can't say anything about the guy.

[Jillian]

The media is out to get him, and it's all made up and it's all fake news. Remember when fake news was a new thing? Remember when that expression was new? No, I know. Well, March 22, 2016, he dies.

[Patrick Hines]

He's, like, been elected to office and he's dying.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's, like, in a suit being interviewed about how he has six months to live and how every day is a struggle. And I'm like, why would you do this? It's no way to live. It's no way to govern.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just like, this is the kind of ego we're dealing with here.

[Jillian]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Because this is no way to lead a city. Like, it's. And no way to live.

[Jillian]

Right. Absolutely. And they're like, we've got his supporters here calling this, like, a Shakespearean tragedy. Can you get a point? Are you kidding me?

[Patrick Hines]

Like, I'm so. Like, what the. Like, fuck cancer. I get it. But, like, it doesn't turn people into a saint either.

[Jillian]

No. Because now all of these people, like Jerry, they're all crying, talking about how much they missed him, how much they learned from him.

[Patrick Hines]

Because Katie, like, the director, asks, what is Rob Ford's legacy? And Katie, the reporter rightly says, I.

[Robin]

Think Rob Ford's legacy. It all comes down to who you ask. So Mark, who was Rob Ford?

[Jillian]

He was dishonest, selfless, smart, outspoken, unpredictable, exploitative.

[Patrick Hines]

People like Jerry and BFF Tom are here to say what an amazing guy he is. And they only did this documentary to see, to show everyone the other side of Rob Ford. And, like, this is so we can see why Jerry. Jerry stood by him and he Was so incredible. And I'm like, well, this documentary, did you dirty BFF Tom and Jerry? Because what I don't see this other side.

[Jillian]

BFF Tom and Jerry. I'm just putting that together.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh my God. I don't see this other side you're talking about.

[Jillian]

Well, then of course we get this story at the funeral about like, how Rob would go to this Mr. Sub place and this guy Gus was working 16 hour days and he got an order and he couldn't deliver it. So Rob the mayor goes and delivers it and like, this is meant to like, remind us about the Rob from the early part of the documentary.

[Patrick Hines]

That's the story they had to tell.

[Jillian]

Yeah. And it's like, you know, I make the note here that like, two things can be true. He could have started out in a good place. He could have tried to do his best. His demons got the better of him and everybody around him let it happen. Like, I gotta say, like, if you are working for somebody, it's okay to question it. You're supposed. Why wouldn't the person at the center of the political, like, nucleus want, like, don't you want your people to question you and say, like, are we on the right path? Are we doing the right thing? Like, did you smoke that vial of crack?

[Patrick Hines]

This is why people say people. Maybe it's just me that like the West Wing has become science fiction.

[Jillian]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Because the whole thing about that. And a lot of people will, a lot of like, very successful people will tell you that it's the best idea in the room that wins, not mine. The smartest person surrounded. You hear that all the time. Surround yourself with people who are smarter than you.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, if you don't know how to do the thing, hire the person who does and listen to them because they know what they're talking about.

[Jillian]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

So especially in politics when so much of it is a conversation and navigating and also, like, to support supporters like this, you got to be able to like, criticize the person. You could still vote for them, but you could still be like, wow, that crack video really sucked. And I don't like that.

[Jillian]

But that's the difference between people who get into politics to actually help people and people who just want to collect power.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So that makes me think my cynical self is like, oh, the like, call me and I'll help you with your dead tree was bullshit.

[Jillian]

Or it was a means to an end. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

You know?

[Jillian]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Patrick Hines]

So there we go. We did it. Done. We did it.

[Jillian]

Oh, my Go. Oh, my God, girl. We did train wreck the mayor of Mayhem.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, Canada. It could be the most appropriately named documentary to date.

[Jillian]

Mayhem is such a good word.

[Patrick Hines]

Are you saying mayhem?

[Jillian]

Yeah. How do you say it?

[Patrick Hines]

It's mayhem.

[Jillian]

How do you spell it?

[Patrick Hines]

M A Y, H E, M. No.

[Jillian]

Is that right?

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Jillian]

I am saying mayhem.

[Patrick Hines]

You're saying mayhem.

[Jillian]

I do like the way she says ham. Ham.

[Patrick Hines]

We did it.

[Jillian]

Oh, fam. Don't forget to join us in the discord. Don't forget to check out our YouTube channel. Over 130,000 subscribers. Go be one of them.

[Patrick Hines]

Yep.

[Jillian]

Girl. What are we doing next?

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, everybody. The perfect neighbor on Netflix. Please, please, please, please, please. Take care when watching this. It's all body cam footage. We see way too much, if I'm being honest. So, perfect neighbor, you wanted it, we're doing it. But please, again, take care when watching.

[Jillian]

Yeah. All right. Stay tuned for the trailer for that. And that's it. We love you.

[Patrick Hines]

We love you.

[Jillian]

All right, bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye.

[Jillian]

All the kids like to play.

[Patrick Hines]

Shazam.

[Jillian]

They can't walk or even throw their football over here.

[Patrick Hines]

911, what is the address of the emergency? Several kids out there right now in Sweden and yelling.

[Jillian]

Nine times. That lady over there probably call. Oh, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like the kids. She thinks we're trying to steal her truck.

[Jillian]

You even know how to.

[Patrick Hines]

Says no trespassing. I'm not always welcome.

[Jillian]

There doesn't need to be a call to service every time a kid's playing in the yard. She's always messing with people's kids. Sh off ass. One minute.

[Patrick Hines]

911, what is the address?

[Jillian]

My neighbor has been screaming is outside. She started banging on her door, pounding on it. Let me in. And then bang.

[Jerry]

On.

[Patrick Hines]

Peaceful on fire.

[Jillian]

I don't bug anybody. Go outside with your hands up.

[Patrick Hines]

Barely ever single it.

[Jillian]

I'm like the perfect neighborhood.