473: The Untraceable Scent: New York Homicide (S1E11)

Summary

True Crime Obsessed – Episode 473

"The Untraceable Scent: New York Homicide (S1E11)"
December 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Patrick Hinds and Gillian Pensavoli recap the "New York Homicide" episode titled "The Untraceable Scent." The focus is the chilling and tragic case of Andrea Carruth, a beloved childcare provider in the Bronx, whose sudden disappearance reveals shocking family betrayal. With their signature blend of humor, heart, and candid commentary, the hosts break down the procedural missteps, community response, and grim details of a case that truly rocked its neighborhood.

"We gotta talk about something fun because this one is not." – Patrick Hinds (00:51)

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction of the Case & Main Players

• The story centers on Andrea Carruth, a 39-year-old daycare owner known for her deep community commitment and kindness.
• Andrea ran "Kitty College," a legitimate early childhood center in her Bronx home, where she cared for and educated local children, often waiving fees for families in need.

  "If you couldn't pay, she would still take the kids to the daycare. That's how much she cared about, like, educating the neighborhood kids." – Patrick (32:34)

• Andrea's close relationships with friends Ashanti, Elsa, and especially Julia, are emphasized. Julia emerges as a powerful advocate throughout the case.
• She lived with her father William and long-term boyfriend/fiancé Lincoln Grant, whom everyone initially suspects after Andrea goes missing (06:05–06:20).

Andrea's Disappearance & The Immediate Aftermath

• On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Andrea fails to meet Julia for their monthly facials, which is highly out of character (09:30).
• Julia repeatedly calls Andrea without response, grows frustrated, and then worried.
• Lincoln calls Julia from Andrea’s phone the next morning to ask if Andrea is with her, raising suspicions due to his calm tone and possession of Andrea’s phone (10:23).

  "Why are you calling me from her phone? So, like, you don't know where she is, but you have her phone? That's not suspicious at all, Lincoln." – Gillian (11:00)

Community and Police Response

• The police at first refuse to "actively" investigate until 24 hours after the disappearance, despite contradictions from NYC's own missing persons policy (12:54–13:11).
• The community, led by Julia, acts swiftly, organizing search efforts and hounding authorities to pay attention.

  "So Andrea's friends and family get to work. Because they're like, we'll just do it our goddamn selves." – Gillian (13:54)

• Julia calls local news station News 12, escalating public attention, which finally invigorates police actions (15:49–16:13).
• Andrea's pregnancy, withheld by Lincoln in his initial report, raises the urgency level (15:00–15:43).

Suspicions Around Lincoln

• Lincoln comes across as suspicious by:
  • Not mentioning Andrea’s pregnancy
  • Waiting 24 hours to act
  • Taking Andrea’s keys, wallet, and phone to work (27:09)
• The hosts probe (with much humor and skepticism) the plausibility of Lincoln's explanations, while also noting how true crime narratives often target the partner first.

  "You didn't tell us about the pregnancy. You're now saying you never, ever, ever fought, ever, about anything, and you waited, like, a full 24 hours before you started being concerned. Like, what's going on here?" – Gillian (20:17)

Family Dynamics & Focus on Andrea’s Father

• William, Andrea’s father, lives in the basement and is described as entitled, manipulative, and money-hungry.
• Julia lays out William's history of attempting to scam Andrea for money, including engineering fake emergencies with the house boiler (35:13–35:46).

  "He's turning the boiler off himself and then lying for the cash." – Gillian (35:36)

Break in the Case: The Untraceable Scent

• Police and neighbors notice a fluctuating, foul smell in the basement.

• The father burns incense constantly to mask the odor (24:43, 37:33–38:29).

  "Every time they come into this guy's apartment, he's burning incense." – Patrick (37:33)

• Evidence mounts:

  • Trash bags with soiled linens in the basement, explained away by William as post-coital clean-up (34:03–34:08)
  • Cadaver dogs and forensics uncover blood throughout the basement, particularly on garbage bags and the walls (37:06–37:09).
  • A hammer with Andrea’s DNA is found.

• Police discover Andrea’s body in a hidden subfloor space covered by plywood and a tarp (39:19–39:27).

Investigation Resolution

• Forensic evidence ties William directly to the murder (Andrea's DNA under his fingernails; the hammer as the murder weapon). (44:09–44:20)
• Lincoln is cleared, his earlier actions reinterpreted as grief and confusion rather than guilt (44:05–44:09; 41:09–41:18).
• William, confronted, immediately asks for a lawyer before being told his daughter is dead, which the hosts point out is smart but suspicious (40:46–42:29).
• Motive: intense resentment and entitlement, money disputes, and rage over Andrea’s attempt to refinance the house.

Aftermath & Sentencing

• William is convicted of first-degree manslaughter (not murder, as the jury doesn’t find it premeditated) and sentenced to the maximum 25 years in prison (47:03–47:31).

  "The judge is like, you have no remorse at all. I hate you. Get out of my–He'll die in prison." – Patrick (47:29–47:31)

• The hosts mourn Andrea and reflect on her positive influence and the senselessness of her murder.
• They again sing the praises of Julia, whose tenacity was essential to keeping attention on the case (47:48–47:51).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Julia’s tenacity:

  "Get yourself a Julia. Like this Julia." – Patrick (08:47)

• On community response:

  "The community like jumps into action ... they're like, we'll just do it our goddamn selves." – Gillian (13:53)

• On the suspicious dad:

  "He's turning the boiler off himself and then lying for the cash." – Gillian (35:36)

• On investigative missteps:

  "Clearly the scene isn't protected, and clearly it's not that frozen if Lincoln was up in the house and able to like, go get that stuff." – Gillian (27:45)

• On concluding lessons:

  "In conclusion, get yourself a Julia." – Patrick & Gillian (47:50–47:51)

• On the killer’s entitlement:

  "So you were nice to your kids and you punish them for it." – Gillian (44:49) "He was mad that, like, she was in the process of refinancing the house. It's like, okay, and right. Like, again, it's not like she's a deadbeat, even if she was." – Gillian (46:29)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:51: Acknowledgment of going into a heavy episode
• 03:11: Introduction of Andrea Carruth and "Kitty College"
• 09:30–11:00: Julia becomes worried; Lincoln calls from Andrea's phone
• 12:54–13:23: Critique of police delay regarding missing person status
• 15:49–16:13: Julia elevates case to local news
• 24:43–25:09: Description of the dad’s basement behaviors and incense burning
• 27:09: Lincoln takes Andrea’s belongings to work—a key suspicion
• 33:06–33:35: The discovery of a foul odor in the house
• 35:13–35:46: Julia details dad’s financial manipulations
• 37:06–37:09: Forensics reveal blood in the basement
• 39:19–39:27: Discovery of Andrea’s body
• 40:46–41:10: Dad immediately asks for a lawyer when approached by police
• 46:02–46:21: Police believe the father lured Andrea downstairs to murder her
• 47:03–47:31: William sentenced to 25 years

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain their trademark blend of dark humor, empathy, and irreverence. They handle difficult content with care, humanizing the victim and highlighting the outrage and heartbreak, but also punctuate the story with asides, pop culture references, and their personal takes as New Yorkers and true crime aficionados.

Final Note:
The episode is a chilling reminder of how "the call is coming from inside the house," and the importance of community and relentless friends in securing justice. And, as the hosts say: "Get yourself a Julia."

Transcript

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Hi, Julian Mazzavalli.

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Hi, Patrick Hines.

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Oh, we gotta talk about something fun because this one is not.

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So this is New York Homicide, Season 1, Episode 11, the Untraceable Scent. You can watch this on Peacock.

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A beloved daycare owner mysteriously disappears.

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She was a pillar of the community.

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There's something wrong. She is not someone to go missing without telling anybody.

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All I want to do is find my friend.

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And the longtime boyfriend raises more questions than answers.

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We're dealing with bone chilling temperatures outside and a boyfriend who did not report his pregnant girlfriend missing for 24 hours.

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In the dead of winter, detectives race against the clock.

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I got very faint whiffs of an overwhelming odor.

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We knew that something had happened. Something had taken a horrible turn.

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When a new suspect comes to light.

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Everybody was just pointing the finger to.

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An outcome that no one saw coming.

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He says. I got her.

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It was beyond imaginable.

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Now it starts positively enough because our narrator says, New York, land of opportunity.

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Land of opportunity.

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Where people come to make a better life.

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Yeah. From all over the world.

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That's what I sound like as a straight person.

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Yeah.

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How'd it go?

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Not great.

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Not great. Nobody likes me as such.

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There's some work to do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Do you know, in my college, you could take straight acting for the gay performer, I think is what it was called.

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Really.

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Like, there was a time in the late 90s, where they were teaching the gays how to act like straights in college.

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There's a movie about that. It's called the Birdcage.

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Yeah, I know it's your favorite movie. It's one of my favorite movies.

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I know, but I mean, it's like. I mean, he even says, like, what, you think I can't play it straight?

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I never took that class. I think I would have failed it miserably.

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Well, I guess the joke is he just does it in drag. So no.

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Right.

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So no, he could not.

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No.

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Andrea Carruth grew up on the island of St. Vincent.

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Looks gorgeous.

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Yeah. We learned that education was everything to her. And she really, like, she walked the walk with us.

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In the Bronx Neighborhood of Baychester, 39 year old Andrea Carruth has transformed the house she shares with her father and longtime boyfriend into an early childhood center called Kitty College.

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It was called Kitty College. Now, look, I will not belabor the point.

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Yeah.

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We all know this.

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Yeah.

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I had a daycare in my home. I spent a year of my life transforming my apartment into a daycare just to shut it down in one week.

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Yeah. And you weren't like, educating them either. You were just keeping them alive for a couple hours.

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I thought I was going to educate them. That was the plan.

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She is, like, they call it an early childhood center. Like, this was legit.

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I mean, running a home. Daycare is not for the faint of heart.

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No. And she wanted this to be like a big thing for the community. Like, education was such a big thing for her, especially, like, for young people. And we'll get into more of, like, how amazing she was about that. But, like, Andrea was a super important part of the community. Everybody knew her. Everybody loved her.

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Her friends Ashanti and Elsa are both here. She loved her job. She was great at it. She was super hands on.

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Yeah.

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Like, she just really loved the kids.

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Yeah.

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I did not know it was not a good match for me. No. I loved my kid.

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Yeah. I think a lot of parents feel that way. Like, they have more patience. I think that's natural. They have more patience with their kid than with anybody else.

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Especially like in New York City. It's not an island full of kid people. So I feel like when you have.

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Kids, you're looking right at me when you're saying this.

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Listen, I love that you've come out about, like, not just being not a mother, but like, not really liking or, like, not not really wanting. How do I. What's the right way to say it?

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I could say it for You I'm served Child free by choice videos a lot on TikTok and I, I do see a lot of videos that were like, what people don't understand is like it's always a really big convers. Me, it wasn't. I just didn't want them and I just never had the drive to want them or the feeling to want that. Like it was never how I. I don't how I felt. So it wasn't like I didn't have a conversation, I didn't make a decision. It was like, oh, I'm lefty and I don't want kids. You know, it was just like part.

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Of me I this, I've never asked you this question before, but like you found a partner who felt exactly the same way. And I feel like that's kind of unusual that like I feel like more often than not either both want kids or one wants kids and one doesn't. But you both just did not want kids.

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Yeah, I think Mike would have been okay if said I think I might want them. Like he would have been open to that conversation. But it was not a deal breaker for him at all. We talked about it super early. I was just kind of like, it's really not for me. I have other things I want to do. Like not one anything is better than the other. But it just, it wasn't like a decision I made.

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So you think nobody should have time.

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So what I'm saying is.

Not even going to make the joke. But I do see a lot of women saying like, you know, people don't understand how hard. Because there are some people who are child free because physically they cannot. And there's a lot of that. But I am seeing a lot where it's like, you don't know. Like my, my partner and I talked about it for years. I didn't. It was a one conversation and if it went a different way, Mike and I wouldn't be here.

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I used to.

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Sorry.

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I was saying recently that like the gays used to all get kids. There was like a moment in time where all the gays were always having kids.

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Yeah.

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No gays are having kids anymore.

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Yeah.

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Like Steve and I are one of very few friends in our friend group that have children.

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Right.

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And the gays are not really doing it anymore. It's kind of weird.

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It's a thing. We're going, well, I don't know, maybe it'll ebb and flow and we'll come back. Who knows? Anyway, point is, Andrea is wonderful and her longtime boyfriend is Lincoln Grant and I just kept thinking about like how cute and sweet Hannibal Burrus was in Broad City because his name was Lincoln.

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Oh, really?

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And I just thought he was really. He was just sweet. He had like a. Because he was a dentist.

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I've never seen that show.

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Oh, really? You like it? I think I probably would. Mike and I just did a rewatch and it was Mike's first time seeing it and I forgot how much I loved it.

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I'll trade you A Broad City for A Modern Family.

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I know.

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I really think you'd like it so.

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Much, but you'd like Hannibal Burr City because he's a dentist and he's very, very sweet and he's Alana's longtime boy, but he has like a tooth notebook. He has like little dentist things like out to dinner to like talk about like what they're going to do with their relationship. But he has like a tooth notebook.

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That is very sweet. Yeah.

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So Andrea, her longtime friend, is a woman named Julia. This woman gets a fucking queen. Get yourself a Julia. Like this Julia.

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Yeah, like, this is a good Julia. This specific Julia. Because she called Andrea Angie. She goes, she just looked more like an Angie. And I'm like, julia, I know they.

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Love to go shopping.

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And we would get the fish on the grill and just sit in the. On our porch and eat it. We did facials every month. So after Christmas, I said to her, let's make plans after church, I'll come and get Julia Brunch.

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They do monthly facials.

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Always hanging out, doing hot girl shit.

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Okay, like, also, don't cross Julia if you make plans with her. You better keep them. You better fucking keep those plants.

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Get yourself a Julia.

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Get yourself a Julia.

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Keeps everyone in check.

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Yes.

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Sunday, January 3, 2016. It's the morning Julia and Andrea have plans to get facials. Love this.

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Yeah.

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Julia is calling and calling and calling. Andrea's not answering because Julia's at the facial place.

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And Andrea has not shown up.

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And Julia starting to get pissed. Like, this is unlike Andrea, but it's still, like, kind of pissing her off because Julia is assuming Andrea just blew me off to go hang out with her fiance.

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Yes.

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And so Julia's like, you know what? You go have fun with your boyfriend. I'm going home.

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Yeah. She's upset and she doesn't hear from her for the rest of the day. So Monday morning, this is the next day Julia, her phone is ringing. She sees Angie's name on it on the caller. She's not picking up.

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She's too angry.

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She's mad.

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And heads will prevail she's going to wait.

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Yes. Yeah. Sometimes take that minute. You know what I mean?

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I totally agree. Yeah. So. But eventually there's a message.

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Well, because like, the phone hangs up, calls back. She's like, I'm not. I'm still not answering it. Hangs up, calls back, I'm still not answering it.

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Julia's tough.

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She's. Yeah, you don't cross her.

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It wasn't Andrea calling. It was Lincoln, the fiance.

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Yeah.

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And that's never a good sign. Calling from Andrea's phone. That's bad.

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Yeah. And he's just saying, like, Angie never came home last night. Is she with you? And Julia's confused.

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She's like, why is he asking me if Angie's with me on a Monday morning? Her kids supposed to. To be coming in to the daycare, like, Lincoln, come on. Now you're calling me from her phone. She's always home at 6 o' clock on Sunday, preparing for her kids the next day. You have to have known something was wrong.

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Julia sees right through this. She's like, you have to know something's wrong. Like, what are you not telling me?

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Also, you're calling from her phone. So, like, you don't know where she is, but you have her phone. That's not suspicious at all, Lincoln.

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And Julia's like, lincoln, why aren't you panicking? Yeah, you think she went for brunch yesterday and then slept over and you never heard from her and you never tried to reach out, and then the next morning you're casually calling me from her phone. Come on.

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And like, this is going to kind of be a trend of like, is there something going on that's not good in the relationship between Lincoln and Andrea? Maybe that's why she's gone away.

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And like, Julia doesn't like Lincoln's tone, if we're being honest.

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Julia doesn't like anybody's tone.

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No, but, like, be panicking more, Lincoln. Yeah, like, yes, Julia's doing the math. She's putting everything together. And Julia's like, so what you're telling me is that Andrea's been missing since at least Sunday morning because they didn't show up to. To the facial plans.

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Right.

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So Julia's like, this is really bad. And she starts grilling Lincoln. She's like, you tell me what happened. You tell me the last time you saw her. I want to know every little detail.

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Everybody sleeps so late in the story. It gives me, like, I have anxiety. Lincoln says, Angie got up at 10am Put on a sweater on Sunday, on Sunday this is like the day that she was supposed to go for facials with Julia left the room. He went back to bed. And Julia goes, you mean you slept all day? That can be the only answer here. Like, if she never came home, you must have just woken up from Sunday.

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And like, it's like, no, I woke up at 3 o', clock, thank you very much.

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Oh my God.

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So like, Lincoln assumes Andrea's downstairs making tea. He rolls over and goes back to sleep until 3. And Julia's like, okay, so you're telling me that Andrea's keys while a phone are all still at home and you.

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Haven'T seen her since 10am yesterday?

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She goes, lincoln, call the police. Yes, hello. Why are we wasting time? Something bad happens, clearly.

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So, like, he calls the cops, patrol.

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Comes out and takes an initial report from Lincoln. When they learn that Andrea's phone, wallet and car keys are still at home, it raises concern. However, our detectives are not able to investigate a missing persons case until 24 hours have passed.

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Can't investigate a missing persons case until 24 hours has passed.

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That's not true. Not anymore. They Even say from NYC.gov, i have a screenshot of it. Call 911 to report someone you think is missing, kidnapped, part of a kidnapping scam. It literally says you do not have to wait 24 hours to report a missing person. That's on NYC.gov okay? It tells you you don't have to wait.

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Thank God.

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And when you goog other, I think everyone's trying to undo the damage of.

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Waiting of the 80s and 90s.

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Or maybe you can report it and maybe the cops will wait because they'll be like, an adult has a right to go missing or whatever the fuck they like to say.

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Well, because the next thing we're told is that because of the number of active missing persons cases in New York City at any given time, there wasn't enough in Andrea's case to raise the alarm or whatever, which doesn't make any sense. Like, we need more people out there looking.

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Well, because they said, like, there was no way to tell if Andrea was in any real danger. So we didn't do anything until the community made a big enough deal and we kind of had to. I was like, it's a weird way of saying you didn't really care about the black woman, but okay.

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Well, truly, because they don't do anything roundabout way. I mean that honestly. And the community like jumps into action.

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Her keys, wallet, phone are there.

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Yeah.

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So Andrea's friends and family get to work. Because they're like, we'll just do it our goddamn selves. Search parties asking the neighbors, going to the source. Because, remember, Andrea was a pillar of the community.

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She knows everybody.

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People were trusting her with their kids. So, like, they knew her and they saw her all the time.

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And like, Ashanti, the other friend is like, we were out there for hours. They were doing all the work the cops weren't doing.

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So. Tuesday, January 5, 2016 B. FF Julia calls Detective Flood. She goes, this investigation is moving too slow.

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I love it. Because detective Flood is here.

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And he goes, I remember this particular day. It was freezing.

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That particular day was freezing, girl.

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Julia wanted results, like, yesterday.

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, yeah, no shit.

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And like, he's the guy that is supposed to be on the case, but he's even acknowledging he hadn't gotten to it yet. So he didn't really know anything about. What I'm saying is you need a friend like Julia.

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Yes.

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You need a friend who's going to call the cop, doesn't care how cold it is outside and say, bitch, put aside all the other shit you're working on and focus on this.

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Right, right. Because the cop gives the company line, well, you know, Andrea is an adult. She could do what she wants. So they're putting it on the back burner.

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And like, according to Julia, Flood also told her she probably ran away. We have to wait till she comes back.

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Well, this is when Julia says, absolutely not.

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That's when Julia told me that Andrea was pregnant.

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Julia is surprised that Lincoln did not disclose this, but detective Flood does not see any mention of the pregnancy in the initial patrol report.

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This changes everything for the cops because, one, she's pregnant, and two, her fiance didn't tell them.

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Yeah.

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So Andrea always wanted children. She loved kids. She got pregnant when she was 40 years old. So she's super, super happy because Julia.

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Bullied her into it. Julia was like, girl, you've always wanted kids. You're about to be 40. That option's about to be taken. Now or never.

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Biological clock is ticking like this.

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Exactly.

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So the cops do admit this, like, bumps it to a whole new level.

[A]

Because they wanted to go out and see if this was much ado about nothing or if there was really something here. He says much about nothing. There's a missing person.

[B]

We don't have time.

[A]

We don't.

[B]

Because Julia is like, you do that. I'll do this to Hocus pocus. She calls the News 12 to get the word out.

[A]

It's so good. Get Yourself a Julia.

[B]

And So Amanda from News 12, she's like, oh, this is a huge. So she knows immediately Julia can get two senses out. She's like, I'm on top of it.

[A]

I mean, it's got all the hallmarks of, like, a story people care about. Somebody was pregnant. It's freezing outside. The boyfriend didn't report her missing for 24 hours.

[B]

Julie goes there on the scene in, like, a minute.

[A]

Yeah. Which is kind of amazing. Like, that doesn't always happen. So. Well done, News Channel 11 or whatever.

[B]

Yeah. News 12.

[A]

News 12. Thank you. News 12.

[B]

11 is. Pix I'm surprised it's not New York or the WB.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, get rheumatoid on this.

[B]

You know why News 12 is. Is in the Bronx. It's, like, to that area. Yeah, it makes sense. So Julia's freaking smart. She knows what to do. Like, New York one would probably be like, we have too much. You know what I mean? Start with news 12.

[A]

So I'm rumor Tory. I don't have time for this.

[B]

New York One will pick up News 12.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Playing chess, not checkers.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So Andrea's story is on the news. It immediately blows up. The cops go to the house to talk to the fiance, and he tells them the same weird story he told Julia.

[A]

But they do note that he's frantic. That he's, like, frantic and, like, desperate to get them to come in and, like, answer questions.

[B]

Yeah. But the same story that doesn't really add up to anyone. Most of all, Julia. Like, Andrea went out for brunch and never came home, but she left her keys, wallet, phone at home. And you didn't call on Sunday night. You waited to call the best friend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The next morning from her phone. Like, the cops are like, what?

[A]

They're really looking at Lincoln. And, like, Detective Flood is like, was it possible that they had a fight that he's not telling us about? Like, he didn't tell us about the pregnancy.

[B]

Was there cheating? Is there money problems? Like, all of the usual.

[A]

But Lincoln says no.

[F]

Lincoln stated that their relationship was strong. There was never any type of arguments, physical or mental abuse.

[D]

I did ask Angie that a long time ago, and she said no. Julia, we never argue. I'm like, what type of relationship is that?

[A]

What kind of relationship is that?

[B]

She's laughing like, what's going on? And to me, that's kind of telling. Like, of course you argue.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

You've been together 15 years and only recently got engaged. Like, there's A lot of history there.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And so the whole, like, we never fight. Just say, like, oh, we're good at.

[A]

Fighting, or just like, we don't fight. Like, Stephen, I don't fight. But, like, we bicker, you know.

[B]

Fights.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't care what. What spectrum it is. Like, everyone has disagreements and arguments.

[A]

Exactly. It's like, certainly not marital bliss every single day for anybody.

[B]

Your person annoys you. There are things, you know, you're like.

[A]

I mean, I don't annoy Steve because I'm. You know what I mean? Well, like, because I'm.

[B]

No, you and the half and half on the counter, certainly.

[A]

Yeah. Like, what's to be. Oh, my God. Golden knocked it off the counter and drank the whole bottle again the other morning. Really not a great way to start the day. Golden is. So when I leave the half and half out, he jumps onto the counter, knocks it onto the floor like a cat, and then goes down.

[B]

And I think the best part about it is that this all could be avoided. And I think that's Steve's favorite part.

[A]

I don't think that that's true.

[B]

I don't know how Steve's favorite part.

[A]

But the thing is, nobody knows how to avoid this.

[B]

We have to move on.

[A]

I don't think.

[B]

I feel. I feel the steam coming out of.

[A]

His ears, but it's just like, no one's ever told me how this could be avoided, so. So it's really not my fault.

[B]

You're a smart cookie.

[A]

You take the have enough out, you pour it in your coffee, you leave it on the counter, and you go to work.

[B]

Wow.

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I mean, honestly.

So everyone's like, lincoln, what's going on? Exactly? You didn't tell us about the pregnancy. You're now saying you never, ever, ever fought, ever, about anything, and you waited, like, a full 24 hours before you started being concerned. Like, what's going on here?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, and also, like, you're the spouse. You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, start there and work our way out.

[A]

And you were the last person to see her alive. Like, everything's pointing to Lincoln.

[B]

Right? So Lincoln was a construction worker, and.

[D]

He was very handy. A handyman, hard worker. He believed in the American dream.

[C]

Like, Andrea, Lincoln had also moved from the Caribbean island of St. Vincent to the Bronx.

[B]

He's also from the island of St. Vincent.

[A]

Get yourself a construction worker. You know what I mean?

Super hard. But they know how to fix the. At the house. I know. You know, I know. That's a.

[B]

That's a big deal. I don't do that.

[A]

No.

[B]

I know how to do some of it, but I'll also, like, teach myself how to do things.

[A]

You will?

[B]

Well, yeah. I don't want to really, like, wait for stuff sometimes.

[A]

Well, that makes sense. I like that. I like the not waiting.

[B]

Googling. A lot of you. Like, let me just figure it out.

[A]

Maya. Assumption is that I won't be able to figure it out. That's why it's not a laziness thing. My assumption is I won't know how to do it.

[B]

Yeah. Like, my default will be like, let me just look it up and try to figure it out myself. And if I can't, then I'll. I just don't want to.

[A]

Like, you're really good at that stuff.

[B]

I just don't want to annoy anyone, really. It's the thing.

[A]

Meanwhile, everybody Just wants to talk to you all the time.

[B]

I just don't want to like, bother people. So it's like, I can figure this out. I must be able to.

[A]

You're so capable.

[B]

Oh, please. I'm an only child. That's what it is. I'm sorry. That's the point, you know, like, it's just that. Independence, I think.

[A]

Can I tell a quick story? Daisy, also an only child. She's also like you. Like, she will figure things out. We all went to bed last night and Daisy gets these little science kits that come once a month where she has to build a machine or whatever. Her and Steve do it together every month. We woke up this morning. Oh my God, I could cry. Our dyslexic daughter read all of the instructions in the middle of the night, put it together with a note on Steve's nightstand. Handwritten directions by our dyslexic 11 year old about how to operate this machine. So it was a hand crank, flashlight, sort of spirograph thing. So the. The directions were like, dear daddies, turn the lights off and. And work the crank until the white light comes on and then shine it on the ceiling. And it was. She did it perfectly.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So she read all the instructions, built this machine on her own, and then wrote this note to us.

[B]

That's incredible.

[A]

That we woke up to. We were like saying her. Daisy. It's amazing, Daddy. It was 31 words that I wrote. I wrote. So she counted them.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

That's how hard it is for her.

[B]

I know. That's huge.

[A]

You know, like it was. I could cry.

[D]

It was.

[A]

And when we were doing it, I was afraid it wasn't going to work. No, it. Perfectly.

[B]

Of course it did.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Did she not sleep then?

[A]

I. Probably not. She's a night owl and she does little projects at night sometimes.

[B]

Yeah, well, at least she's keeping herself busy.

[A]

Honestly. Anyway, amazing.

[B]

Andrew's mom and dad never got married. I don't really know why that's 100%.

[A]

Relevant, but it's not our business.

[B]

You know, like her mom is still living in St. Vincent. Okay. Good for her. Honestly. Thank God for the mother.

[A]

I was just gonna say, by the end of this, I think we might know why the mom said no.

[B]

100%. Her dad sucks. But her dad paved the way for Andrea. We're told a million times he's a very, very hard worker. Great. Like the bars on the floor. Oh, you're nice to your kids. Great. Fucking metal.

[A]

I know. Honestly.

[B]

So It's a two family house that they live in. And Andrea and her fiance live upstairs, and her dad, William, lives downstairs. And angel, her sister, lives across the street.

[A]

Yeah. So that day we learn the day that Andrea is reported missing that Monday.

[E]

Her boyfriend Lincoln was already gone. As a contractor. He had to go to work. I did find it a little odd, but he had to go to work or he wasn't going to get. Get paid. He had a child on the way. Couldn't really afford to miss a day's pay.

[A]

I've got a baby on the way. I can't afford to miss a day of work.

[B]

Yeah. And notice he's not talking about Andrea in the past tense.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Right. Like, he's just like, I have a kid on the way and this wife that I'm about to marry, and like, I need to make money. So he. They say he. He had to go to work, he couldn't afford it. But everyone's kind of like, we clocked it. It just added to some of our suspicions. Right. Like, yeah, I know taking off one work is a luxury. I totally get it. But people are like, well, based on everything else, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But no one had anything bad to say about Lincoln except Andrew's father.

[A]

So the dad's name is William. He lives in the apartment in the basement. They go downstairs, they're say. They say, you know, he was older. You could tell he worked for a living. The dad is worried. He's got. He hasn't seen Andrea in three days. The last time they saw each other was on New Year's Eve. She was coming in, One of them was on the phone. It was a quick hello. They note that he's burning incense all the time, but they say that's not out of, you know, the ordinary for this community.

[B]

That's illegal. Lock me up.

[A]

Yeah, totally. You and my lesbian mom, Right? Yeah.

[B]

So here's what the dad doesn't like, though. He says that Lincoln, the fiance yelled downstairs to William asking if he's seen Andrea. And it's the same story that Lincoln has. Right? Like, she went out yesterday morning, left all of her belongings, and I haven't seen her since. And the dad is, like, he doesn't have the courtesy to ask me face to face when, like, he thinks my daughter is missing. He had to yell down the stairs to me, frantic.

[A]

He's looking for his girl, his fiance.

[B]

Well, that's what the father's.

[A]

I know, I know. I'm not mad at you. I'm out of the dirt.

[B]

I'M mad at the. That's one of my favorite fake love lines.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Mommy's not mad at you. She's mad at the necklace. Chloe Savigny. Because the kids got, like, a crucifix or, like a. Yeah, a crucifix necklace or like, a God. And Nikki, Chloe Savigny thinks it's hocus pocus. You know kids, they can't resist that Catholic hocus pocus. Nikki.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Anyway, the cops canvass the entire residence.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Including the floor where the daycare is.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The upstairs living quarters, then downstairs. And nothing seems suspicious. Really?

[A]

We get five minutes about a red spot they find on the bathroom floor upstairs, near the bedroom.

[B]

Not blood.

[A]

It's nail polish.

[B]

They think it's blood. It's not blood. It's nail polish or something. Good. So glad we're clear on that.

[A]

I know. Exactly.

[B]

So we go. We're back to nothing suspicious in the house.

[A]

Can I just say, we now get, like, the cops are convinced that something bad has happened because they don't know any women who would leave the house without their phone and a credit card. Yeah, I was like, there's not another way to say that. Also, would anybody leave the house without their money and their phone? No. It's like, we've just heard that before.

[B]

Four days or whatever it is. Can we stop this, please? So, like, no signs of a struggle, no blood, nothing weird.

[A]

They bring in the cadaver dogs.

[B]

Yeah. Because Andrew's been missing for 48 hours, and her keys while the phone are still at home. So, like, something happened, obviously. She's been gone for two days. She's five months pregnant. Something bad.

[A]

Something happened.

[B]

So William, the dad's apartment in that lower area was cleared. He was free to come and go.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Which is. Just remember that everything else was, quote, frozen by the cops upstairs and everything. But William had free rein to do whatever he wanted.

[A]

So by Tuesday, the next morning, the cops are back, and they realize that Angie's phone, wallet, keys that have been there the whole time, they're now missing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Where are they?

[B]

Well, I'll tell you where they are.

[A]

Where are they?

[C]

Detective Flood needs to talk to Lincoln again to see if he knows where they are.

[F]

I had reached out to Lincoln personally, and we spoke over the telephone. He had Andrea's keys, her phone, and her wallet. When I heard that, another kind of red flag went up. Like, wait a second. You have them?

[A]

Why?

[B]

Lincoln took them to work?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Lincoln, the fiance that has, like, suspicious things just keep coming out about him.

[A]

He's also a construction worker working at a construction site, maybe looking to get.

[B]

Rid of some things that he simply had to go to and couldn't be with the cops. And now, like, the. The three valuable things that Andrea left, he took them, and he tells the cops, like, I brought them to work. And they're like, yeah, no, man. This isn't it. Like, this is a red flag. It's not helpful. Why did you take them with you?

[A]

He said he did it for safekeeping.

[B]

Right. Which, like, part of me gets. But again, when we're adding all this up, it's like, lincoln girl. Like, I'm not thinking well, but it's.

[A]

Also like, the cops. Why did you leave it there? Like, this should be in an evidence bag somewhere.

[B]

They said they froze it. I don't know, but I don't know why. Like, clearly the scene isn' protected, and clearly it's not that frozen. If Lincoln was up in the house.

[A]

And able to, like, go get that stuff, It's a weird choice to take it with you to work to the construction site.

[B]

It's weird to not tell anyone or ask, like, would this be harmful to the case? If I take the three things my wife left that no one would ever leave.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Bad happened. Is that weird? So the cops are like, we should talk officially. So they bring him down to the station, and he said he was like, look, I tried to call you guys, but you told me I had to wait 24 hours to file a report and that you were too busy. Yeah, so, like, what do you want? And so, like, the cops are like, all right, like, all plausible deniability. Like, once we start asking Lincoln why he did certain things, kind of like, oh, I don't really get the, like.

[A]

Weird choices, but, okay.

[B]

But, like, plausible deniability.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially on paper.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he also, to be fair, hands the keys while it phone over without incident. And, like, oh, I wasn't supposed to take them. No problem. Take them back.

[A]

In addition, like, he's maintaining his innocence. He's very, very worried. At least he appears to be. They run a background check on him. He's got no criminal history, yet they still keep him overnight. What?

[B]

And Lincoln doesn't ask for a lawyer or is told that he can get one. He gives a written statement about what happened without a lawyer.

[A]

Why are they keeping him overnight? There's no grounds for that.

[B]

Yeah, he didn't ask for a lawyer.

[A]

But he does it.

[B]

They lied to him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To keep him there. Like, everyone asked for a lawyer.

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This is where they tell us more about Andrea and how she really was. Like, people kind of throw pillar of the community around. She for real was one.

[A]

I mean, she. They were saying that, like, I just.

[D]

Would tell everyone, go to Kitty College. It's the best school ever. She's going to make sure that your kid is a star.

If you couldn't pay, she was allow you to bring your kids there. What kind of difference do I think that makes in a child or a family's life? Words cannot explain.

[A]

If you couldn't pay, she would still take the kids to the daycare. That's how much she cared about, like, educating the neighborhood kids.

[B]

Because she said, like, this could make all the difference in a kid's life. Having this, this space to go this safe place or this education so early. Like, she was all about that.

[A]

That's really, really incredible. I wasn't doing that.

[B]

No, of course you weren't.

[A]

You're going to pay.

[B]

You got to keep them. You're counting the seconds until the parents come. Keep them alive. You are just doing your best.

[A]

Come to aunt Patty's daycare. You gotta. You gotta pay for that.

[B]

Strap a pillow around them.

[A]

I mean, true. Yeah. Strap a pillow around him. Hope for the best.

[B]

Like, so meanwhile, the cops are called to Andrea's house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because now there's a faint smell of this really bad odor. But it's weird because the odor was like kind of coming and going like, it would be really strong and then it would go away. And you almost like weren't sure if you're smelling something weird at first. And it's kind of.

[A]

No, I smell it too. But.

[B]

But then you wouldn't.

[A]

But then you wouldn't.

[B]

And then it would be strong over there. Almost like it was traveling. It was a weir.

[A]

It was weird thing.

[B]

But like, at the end of the day, they're like, but we did all smell it.

[A]

We did, right?

[B]

It was a weird way to smell it.

[A]

Yeah, but they smelled it.

[B]

Definitely smelled something.

[A]

They go back down to the dad's apartment, and at this point they see two trash bags with streaks on them. This is where we get the grossest story I've ever heard.

[B]

Yeah. And remember, like, the father was allowed to come and go. He's living his life. He's burning his incense, like, doing whatever he's allowed to do because he's saying.

[A]

In the trash bags are soiled bed linens.

[C]

Because William tells detectives that Monday night he had sex with a woman he had been. Been dating and that he discarded the soiled linens in the garbage bag afterward.

[F]

So got some gloves, looked, they were soiled linens.

[A]

And one of these cops has to put on a pair of gloves and verify that these are old man sex soaked bedsheets.

[B]

So just to be clear, his story is again, even when they lie, it's like, that still makes you look like an asshole.

[A]

I know.

[B]

The Monday that he learned his pregnant daughter was missing, he's having. Having sex. Is that really. I don't know. And then he's not just cleaning the.

[A]

Sheets, he's throwing them out, throwing them away.

[B]

He's not okay.

[A]

So they're like, okay, like, nothing else in the dad's apartment looks weird. So they kind of like, remember, they've already cleared this apartment, so they kind of just move on.

[B]

Julia's here to be like, ah, not so fast.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Julia is here to fill us in. And she does not mince words when it comes to Andrea's dad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because she goes, look, Andrea's dad feels that he is owed. He's very entitled. She says that outright. Like he feels like he's owed. Owed a lot from Andrea because he helped her get the daycare and the school up and running. His name was on the deed for everything. So in return, he lives in the basement of the house.

[A]

And like. But Andrea's like, fine, you can live in the basement of the house. But like, you still need to help pay the mortgage and not Only was he not doing that. He was, like, scamming her out of money, Right?

[B]

So like Julia says, not only was her father entitled, he would be like, oh, I need $500 for insurance, or, like, $900 for the heater. But then it would turn out Angie's.

[D]

A very smart girl. She knows when you trying to pull a fast one on her. So she went and she got her own guy, and the guy checked the boiler out. Guess what? Her father turned the boiler off.

[C]

What?

[D]

Dad does that to his daughter.

[B]

He's turning the boiler off himself and then lying for the cash.

[A]

And he would say to her, give me $900. I'll call the guy to fix the thing. And then turn the boiler off to freeze the house.

[B]

Scamming this daughter who's working her ass off to do amazing things and help these young kids in the community, educating.

[A]

These kids for free.

[B]

Sound like she's some deadbeat. And let me tell you something. Like, keeping score like this never works, because when you have resentment, nothing will ever feel fair enough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you could be like, I'm doing the calculation, and I put this much down for the house, and now she owes me. But, like, if it's based in anger and resentment, it'll never even out for, you know, you gotta let it go, man.

[A]

100%.

[B]

So now we have neighbors and witnesses talking about suspicious sounds coming from the basement. So first we have the smell, and now they're telling us about sounds where the dad lives, and he's been able to come and go this whole time.

[A]

I'm like, if you haven't seen the episode. Episode, you wouldn't be. They're like row houses. So, like, the walls share. Like, on one side of the wall is Angie's house. On the other side is the neighbor's house. So you can really hear through the walls. And they're saying there's banging in the basement until all hours. People are seeing the dad carrying buckets of dirt out of the apartment in the middle of the night.

[B]

And of course, there are going to be more eyes and ears on this apartment because she's been missing for two and three days. So any sound, everyone's like, what's that? So you're definitely going to hear stuff.

[A]

So they get a warrant for the dad's apartment. They do what they call a methodical proper search.

[C]

Detective. Detective Flood asked the forensics team to test the garbage bag for blood. As soon as the chemical hits the surface of the bag, several areas immediately begin to glow.

[F]

It shows that it is Blood.

[B]

There's blood everywhere.

[A]

Blood everywhere.

[B]

There's blood on the garbage bags, there's blood on the walls. And it's like, wait a second, whose blood is it? Is this old blood? Is this, like, were the dad and the fiance working together?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, what's going on here? Like, something horrible happened in that house that the three of them lived in. What is the deal?

[A]

They also find a hammer on the ground, Then it occurs to them, hang on a second. Every time we come into this guy's apartment, he's burning incense.

[B]

Right? Because they're like, this place is a shithole. But is it a murder scene?

[A]

Right? Because like, it wouldn't be weird if this is at Gillian Pensavoli's house in the other borough.

[B]

And it smells really good and it.

[A]

Smells great, but there's something going on because there's that weird smell in this house.

[B]

Can I tell you, I really take care. And Mike does too, to make sure our apartment always smells good. We're really like hyper paranoid that we're going to be noseback lined.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So even like, if I go to like throw out the garbage or if I like, if I'll come home to like tonight, like, it'll smell good, but if it doesn't, I'll be like, we gotta light some candles or something because that's amazing.

[A]

Oh, because of the dog? Is that why?

[B]

Well, we always wanted to. And especially we're like hyper aware of it because of Fiona. Just in case.

[A]

There's something about like a really nice smelling apartment that is so appealing.

[B]

It makes me feel really nice when people are like, oh, it smells good in here. I'm like, I gotcha. Like, yes.

[A]

Because it really, it is really, it's a very nice thing.

[B]

It's like something that I'm aware of. So, like, that's part of it where it's like, I just want people, People to me, it's part of like welcoming you into my home.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That, like, I just want you to feel nice when you come in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they tell him, they're like, can you, like, enough with the incense, please. Like, can you just. Because it's almost getting to the point where it's like distracting. It's like, you know, you're like, if you're driving and you need to turn the radio down.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

To drive better.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

[B]

You know, so it kind of, it's feeling like that to them every time they come in, this overwhelming smell. And they're like, that smell is kind of faint. Like, hold on.

[A]

Well, but then it's like, tell me you didn't have a plan without telling me you didn't have a plan. The second they burn out the incense, they're like, oh, my God, the smell is back.

[B]

They say that horrible smell of death permeates the room.

[A]

So they go to the furnace room because they're. They're kind of walking around the apartment. Remember, he's in the basement. They go to the furnace room. They can still kind of smell the smell, but it's. It's still kind of faint. They go to a closet near the furnish room, and they open the door, and they're like, oh, God, it's here. Like, this is where the smell is coming from.

[B]

There's like a tarp and plywood covering a hole.

[A]

So that's what it is. When they lift up the plywood, that's what. And they're like, there she is.

[B]

Yeah. So they find Andrea Carruth's body, and she suffered again from her father.

[A]

Her dad.

[B]

This was a violent, horrible death.

[F]

She had blunt force trauma to her head. She had what appeared to be ligature marks around her neck area and what appeared to be like a strangulation. She died very violently.

[B]

Ligature marks around her neck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They're like, what the fuck? Like, they need to talk to the dad and the fiance. What happened?

[A]

Because, remember, they're both already dying at the station. So, like, did one of them do it? Did both of them do it? Did neither of them do it? They need to figure out what's going on.

[B]

Has Lincoln cracked yet? Like, is he. As he riding out the dad, like, what. What is the deal?

[A]

And, like, this was really interesting to hear them talking about going in to tell Lincoln about her death, because they. They tell him, we found her. And for just a second, like, he was so happy. Like, this look of happiness came over his face. But then he understands what they're saying, and he starts to cry. And they. You know, Detective Flood says to us, like, look, when it comes to. To Lincoln, we kept him overnight even though we didn't have anything on him. He didn't request to leave. He never requested an attorney. He didn't want to leave. He wanted to be where the police were doing the investigation. And he always professed his innocence. Like, to him, they're like. He's just like, there's no red flags here. And when they go to tell the dad, they walk in and they say.

[E]

To the dad, I said, Mr. K, I'd really like to speak to you about your daughter Andrea. He Looks up at the both of us and says, I think I need a lawyer. Your daughter's missing. She's pregnant. We haven't told you we found her body. We haven't told you you're a suspect. And first thing you say to us is, I want a lawyer.

[A]

And then he responds, I think I need a lawyer.

[B]

Right. So two things. First of all, BFF Julia confirms Lincoln was a wreck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, we were on the phone for hours a day. He couldn't eat. He couldn't sleep. He was crying. And I'm like, wait a second. He had nothing to do with this. But when you look at those shady behaviors.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of like, why didn't. But then when you really slow down on it, you're like, well, he did try to call the. In 24 hours, and they told him not to wait. Like, he did do all these things.

[A]

And he had to go to work.

[B]

And maybe he just wanted to be close to her belongings, that he's not thinking about what it's doing to the crime scene because he just wanted her stuff to be safe or he didn't.

[A]

Want them to get lost.

[B]

You know? Like, so when you look back at it, it's like, be careful with.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Fast. Your mind can go in one direction.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because I was like, oh, these two assholes work together.

[A]

No, because once again, like, Lincoln was the last one to see her alive. He's the fiance. Those are the. Like, 90% of the time, that's who did it.

[B]

And based on how Julia described that phone call. Lincoln, it didn't look great. But when the dad immediately asks for a lawyer before he knows he's a suspect, I will say again, don't let them gaslight you in these shows. That's the right thing to do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you can leave at any time until you're charged. Say the word lawyer. We hate the dad, but, like, don't let them gaslight you.

[A]

Well, because they say to us. We. We said to him, we need to talk to you about your daughter. And before they said. Before they told him that she was dead. Before they told him that he was a suspect. He's asking for an attorney, and that to them makes him look guilty. But you're right.

[B]

Right. And he is guilty. And of course it makes you look guilty. But, like, it doesn't matter. They always say with this tone of, we already asked for a lawyer. No.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't do that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Ask for a lawyer.

[B]

Don't fall for it. Because for years before we started doing this, there were people I just like, oh, people don't know. The way they talk to you. They intimidate you that you can't ask for a lawyer. Yeah, always say it. So anyway, but fuck this guy.

[A]

Girl built his back. This is the thing we've been waiting for forever.

[B]

Yeah. It's almost 2026. We're not going to do that thing where we're paying rent without built anymore.

[A]

Exactly. Because with built, every rent payment earns you points that can be used towards flights, hotels, Lyft rides, Amazon.com purchases, and so much more.

[B]

Yeah. So when you pay rent through bilt, you unlock access to exclusive benefits from a network of more than 45,000 merchants. That's a lot of merchants.

[A]

It is. And it's so easy. You just link your credit cards, spend at your favorite local spots, earn bill points on top of your regular card rewards, and get one step closer to that trip you wanted to take. Yeah.

[B]

You could put these rewards to like Lyft rides. Like we said, members only experiences a down payment on a house like the gift giving season.

[A]

You can use [e-mail] like what a pay your rent and give people gifts for Christmas.

[B]

Yes. Student loan balances.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The built home collection.

[A]

What?

[B]

Endless. 45,000 merchants. They weren't kidding.

[A]

I paid rent for 20 years without earning any points on it, and now I'm mad about it.

[B]

Is that retroactive? It's not. But you know what? We're going to pass it on.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

Passing it on.

[A]

So, fam. Join the loyalty program for [e-mail] TCO.

[B]

That'S J-O-I N B I L T.com.

[A]

TCO make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you.

[B]

Finally get something back for renting.

[A]

I mean, where has this been all of our lives?

[B]

I would almost be mad at it, but it's too good.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

True.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

So the fiance, Lincoln, is cleared and let go. Sorry, Lincoln.

[A]

The hammer that they found in the dad's basement has Angie's DNA on it.

[C]

The medical examiner's office also finds William Cruz DNA under Andrea's fingernails.

[F]

It indicates to me in those last moments that there was a fight and a struggle and that she was fighting for her life. And unfortunately.

She lost.

[A]

She was fighting for her life. And not just for her life, but for the life of her unborn baby.

[B]

From her father.

[A]

From her dad.

[B]

Her father. And so he's charged with second degree murder. And the killer's now being driven to central booking. And they say. And he just starts to talk. But what? He. He's not doing that. He's ranting and raving.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because he's like, I brought my kids to this country, and they all went to college first, and I demand respect, and no one respects me, and I had nothing, and my kids have everything. And I'm like, so you were nice to your kids and you punish them for it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, there's a scene in succession. I probably have brought this up before, but Kendall tells Logan in, like, this really amazing, incredibly written moment that he's like, oh, I know what your fucking problem is. You're jealous of your own kids. Like, you gave us everything and we're billionaires. And then you're mad that we didn't suffer like you did to get it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you give us the world and now you're going to torture us for it. And that's this on a much smaller level. Like, oh, like the bars in hell, everybody. A father was like, help his daughter set up a daycare to make the world a better place. And now you're going to punish her for.

[A]

She, like, wants you to, like, help pay the mortgage for the house you're living in.

[B]

Your name deed scammer at A$900 in cash and lie to her about it. Like, no wonder the mom stayed in St. Vincent.

[A]

And by the way, also, even if Angie was an asshole, which she isn't, you still don't kill her.

[B]

100, like, violently. Like, that says everything about this guy. I'm like, can we go to St. Vincent and see if everyone's okay? Are there any unsolved murders that we should look at? This guy is really rage issues.

[A]

And they tell us, like, their theory of the crime that the dad just decided that Andrea had to die. He turned off the boiler.

[C]

Police believe that William turned the boiler off. Knowing that Andrea would come downstairs to find out why the house had become.

[F]

So cold.

She went downstairs to the thermostat to confront her father. Like, are you messing with the heat?

[C]

Police believe that William was waiting out of sight with a hammer.

[F]

And at that time is when the fight and struggle ensued.

[A]

As soon as she turned the corner, he attacked her.

[B]

He was mad that, like, she was in the process of refinancing the house. It's like, okay, and right. Like, again, it's not like she's a deadbeat, even if she was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not that they. But she's doing good work. She's working her ass off. I Don't understand.

[A]

It's just like. It's always shocking to me when, like, somebody at this late stage in their life does their first murder. Like, this can't be his first murder.

[B]

What? Amazing.

[A]

If you've got murder in you, you don't do the first one in your fucking 70s.

[B]

And it's like this made him snap. His amazing daughter who was pregnant, who was a pillar of the community, who was going to raise another little girl, who was also going to change the world.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

This is what you do, you miserable, entitled piece of shit.

[A]

Yeah. October 2018. He's found guilty of first degree manslaughter. So the jury didn't think there was enough evidence to support that it was premeditated.

[B]

The cops did think they wanted that. There are theories that it was premeditated.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think because, like, the anger and he was seething for the turning off.

[A]

Of the boiler to lure her down into the basement.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. And how could you do that to your daughter? To anyone, but to your pregnant daughter?

[A]

Yeah. It's unbelievable. And he gets the max. He gets 25 years.

[B]

Yeah. The judge is like, you have no remorse at all. I hate you.

[A]

Get out of my. He'll die in prison.

[B]

Thank God, if he's not dead already. And so everyone, like Mrs. Andrea. She was such a great light and such a great spirit. She was doing so much good that was needed in this community. And because this asshole wanted more cash and wanted to scam his daughter out of $900.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Unbelievable. Also, get yourself a BFF like Julia.

[A]

Get a Julia.

[B]

In conclusion, get yourself a jul.

[A]

Oh, my God, girl. We did New York Homicide.

[B]

The Untraceable Scent. I hated that name.

[A]

I know. I don't love these titles.

[B]

The Murder of Andrea Carruth.

[A]

Fam, we love you. Hey, go follow us on YouTube. We've got about 150,000 followers on YouTube. It's so fun. We love making these videos. And I don't know. I don't even know what else to say. That's it.

[B]

Yeah. We have fun. Everyone stay safe out there. I feel bad that I was mean about Lincoln.

[A]

You weren't mean about it.

[B]

I mean, our line of work, I.

[A]

You got to tell the story, you know, as it's told to us.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We are two episodes away from the Lilith Fair, doc.

[B]

Yeah. We get one more bonus, and then our final bonus episode of the year will be the Lilith Fair documentary.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. Happy holidays.

[B]

Happy holidays.

[A]

All right. F. We love you. Love you.

[B]

Stay safe.

[A]

All right, bye.