48: The Times of Harvey Milk

Summary

True Crime Obsessed – Episode 48: The Times of Harvey Milk

Release Date: June 26, 2018
Hosts: Patrick Hines & Jillian Pensavale

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Episode Overview

This episode of True Crime Obsessed recaps and celebrates the critically acclaimed documentary The Times of Harvey Milk, exploring the life, political career, and tragic assassination of Harvey Milk, San Francisco’s first openly gay elected official. With their trademark blend of humor, sincerity, and queer perspective, Patrick and Jillian highlight Milk’s personal journey, political impact, and the legacy of hope he left for the LGBTQ+ community—while taking plenty of sassy detours and calling out the villains of the story.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: Pride and Context

• The hosts record from Ripley Greer, a famed New York Broadway studio, filled with "extra Broadway" energy (01:05).
• Jillian notes it's perfect timing as it’s Pride month, and both express the joy of featuring "gay documentaries" occasionally to connect their queer and allied communities (03:05–03:58).

2. Harvey Milk’s Legacy and Documentary Highlights

• The Times of Harvey Milk (1984) won the Academy Award for Best Documentary, an impactful recognition at the time (03:16).
• Harvey Milk High School in NYC gets a cheerful shout-out as a living legacy (03:39).
• Patrick: “Thank you as a cis straightie for letting me come along on this journey as an ally.” (04:06)

3. Opening Tragedy: Assassination Announcement

• The episode opens with Dianne Feinstein’s emotional announcement of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk’s assassination (06:04–06:29).
• Chaos on the City Hall steps vividly described; Feinstein’s historic political ascendance is noted (07:10).

4. Harvey’s Own Words: Awareness of Risk

• Milk’s prescience about his possible assassination is discussed, using powerful audio from Milk himself:

  "I have never considered myself a candidate. I have always considered myself part of a movement." – Harvey Milk (08:05)

  • “He had this, like, crazy real awareness of, like, ‘someone is probably going to want to kill me for it.’” – Patrick (07:52)

5. Portraits of Milk: The Man Behind the Movement

• Ann Cronenberg first met Milk during a “ranting” temper tantrum at his camera shop (09:19).
• Tori Hartman recounts Harvey’s immense kindness: after her miscarriage, he appeared unexpectedly for her, “with a dozen roses... I'll do your grocery shopping.” (10:45)

6. Harvey’s Unlikely Path to Politics

• Milk’s background: Navy, Wall Street analyst, then Broadway producer (12:43).
• Hosted political meetings in his Castro camera store, dubbed self “Mayor of Castro Street” (13:11).
• His appeal to blue-collar workers, e.g., Jim Elliot’s reluctant support:

  “How are we gonna go back to our union... and tell guys we supported a fruit?” – Jim Elliot (14:33)

7. The Politics of San Francisco: Moscone, District Elections, and Grassroots Change

• Mayor Moscone's shift to district-based elections paved the way for community figures like Milk (16:17–16:49).
• Hosts paint a jubilant picture of Castro in the '70s–“every day there was a parade” (17:23).

8. Finally Elected: Representation Achieved

• On his fourth try, Milk wins as District 5 Supervisor (21:00).
• “When Harvey got back... he rode up on... my motorcycle.” – Ann Cronenberg (21:29)

9. Dan White: The Antagonist

• Introduced as a “firefighter hero (fine),” but quickly branded as “this bitch” for his insensitive and later violent behavior (22:52).
• Patrick and Jillian break down a disturbing on-camera moment when White forcibly drags a woman into his political photo-op (23:46):

  “This woman does not want to be on camera.” – Patrick (24:09)

• Dan White's narrow, often bigoted views laid bare in his comments about the Gay Rights Ordinance:

  "You can have someone that's a transvestite... go into any school... they can't refuse him." (32:20)

10. Key Legislative Battles & Cultural Backdrop

• Milk masters media with the “pooper scooper ordinance”—even staging his own dog poop encounter for the press (30:45).
• Passing of a San Francisco gay rights ordinance; hosts note its focus on workplace protection (31:47).
• National homophobia surges: Anita Bryant and the Briggs Initiative (Prop 6) threaten LGBTQ+ rights. Milk becomes the face of opposition (35:01–36:29).

11. Victory and the Call to Come Out

• Harvey’s most iconic moment: “Come on out” address during Gay Freedom Day (33:43).

  "Come on out... March. Come on out of the closet." – Harvey Milk (33:43, paraphrased by hosts)

• Defeat of Prop 6 by 59-41%:

  "Most importantly, every gay person must come out." – Harvey Milk (38:40)

12. Assassination & Aftermath: Chaos and Mourning

• Jonestown tragedy overwhelms San Francisco’s City Hall as Dan White’s resignation drama unfolds (41:49).
• White murders Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk after learning he would not be reappointed (44:18).

  “Course of history has just been changed.” – Sally (45:19)

• Thousands march in candlelight vigil throughout the Castro (45:45).

13. The Twinkie Defense & Riotous Injustice

• Dan White’s trial: “Twinkie defense” (junk food-induced depression) results in a mere manslaughter conviction with a short sentence (50:24).
• Outrage erupts in the White Night riots (51:30).

14. Harvey’s Hopeful Legacy

• Milk’s posthumous "hope speech," played out in full near the episode’s end:

  "Without hope, not only gays, but those blacks and the Asians, the disabled, the seniors... You gotta give them hope." – Harvey Milk (52:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Harvey’s Acceptance of Risk:

  "What I'm doing is pretty historical... someone is probably going to want to kill me for it." – Patrick (07:52)

• On Queer Representation:

  "All of these lesbians and gay men... who felt like they'd had no voice before, now had someone who represented them." – Ann Cronenberg (21:54)

• On Dan White’s Victim Complex:

  "There was an awful lot of pressure lately... financial pressure because of my job situation." – Dan White’s confession (48:45)

• On Riot Reaction:

  "They had trust in the system... these were elected officials who were murdered, and the system did not do right by them." – Patrick (51:43)

• Harvey’s Most Famous Words (Hope Speech):

  "You gotta give them hope." – Harvey Milk (52:29)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pride Month & Stats (03:01–03:58)
• Assassination Announcement (06:04–06:29)
• Harvey Discusses Possible Assassination (07:52–08:23)
• Ann & Tori's Personal Milk Anecdotes (09:19–11:16)
• Dan White Dragging Woman (23:46–24:23)
• Gay Rights Ordinance & Dan’s Opposition (31:47–32:48)
• Gay Freedom Day and “Come on out” (33:43–33:55)
• Briggs Initiative Defeat (38:13–38:40)
• Assassination & City Reaction (44:18–45:45)
• Twinkie Defense & Trial (50:24–51:10)
• Harvey's Hope Speech (52:29)

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Tone and Style

• Signature True Crime Obsessed blend of sass, humor, emotional sincerity, and queer pride.
• Heartfelt admiration for Harvey Milk, plenty of jokes about wardrobe (Harvey “looks great in a T-shirt”), side remarks about documentary structure, and good-natured teasing between hosts.
• Outrage and frustration at homophobia and injustice—especially towards Dan White and the infamous "Twinkie defense."
• Periodic “hero bell”/“garbage bell” for calling out admirable or terrible conduct.

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Final Reflections

• The hosts emphasize the ongoing importance of Milk’s message and the power of representation:

  “Harvey Milk would have been the mayor of San Francisco... a gay mayor of San Francisco in the late 70s, early 80s. It would have happened.” – Jillian (45:24)

• They close on a message of hope, love, and thanks to the listeners, celebrating the legacy of Harvey Milk and wishing all a happy Pride.

  “We got through it.” – Jillian (54:35)

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For listeners seeking a poignant, inspiring, and at times hilarious deep dive into queer history and the life of Harvey Milk, this episode delivers all the feels and plenty of insight.

Transcript

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[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

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[Jillian Panzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

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[Jillian Panzavale]

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[Patrick Hines]

I'm feeling extra Broadway because of all of the people who have walked through these rooms.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Girl, where are we? Tell the people where we are.

[Patrick Hines]

We're at Ripley Greer in New York City. It's a famous. It's pretty. I mean, it's.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah, it's totally a famous Broadway rehearsal studio.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Quickly, while I have you here, South Bend update.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, I am now the mayor of South Bend. Thank you all for your support.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You know who is a homosexual.

[Patrick Hines]

Cool.

[Jillian Panzavale]

For new listeners, you guys, we're talking about last week's episode about glory days where Michael Alec was from South Bend

[Patrick Hines]

and they just spent 25 minutes about shitting on South Bend. Now we're the biggest fans of South.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I want to go to South Bend. It seems like a great town. The mayor's wedding and to his husband just got written up in the New York Times, like last weekend.

[Patrick Hines]

We were not invited.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know. Anyway, everyone's in. South Bend is going to be fine.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You guys, before we get to the episode today, just reminder about our Patreon. We're up to episode. We're. Today we're recording episode 10 of Cereal.

[Patrick Hines]

I think it's episode 11. It's rumors.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Oh, it's episode. Yeah, yeah. Episode 11, you're right. Correct.

[Patrick Hines]

What would you do without me? I don't know.

[Jillian Panzavale]

We've got a whole bunch of other full bonus episodes, a whole bunch of mini episodes. Everything is commercial free. And then we made a big announcement that our next. Our next series for Patreon is going to be the Staircase.

[Patrick Hines]

Staircase. I love all of the emails and Facebook requests for the Staircase. And I'm like, girl, we said it, we're doing it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Here's the thing. A teeny, teeny, teeny tiny percent of people are saying that the staircase is boring. You guys, you're not listening to the. To our recaps for. For the boring. You know, it's gonna be like. You know it's gonna be hilarious.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And funny, and it's all gonna. So don't.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

What?

[Jillian Panzavale]

If you don't love the staircase, you're still gonna love our commentary.

[Patrick Hines]

And guess what, you guys, I've hated so many of the documentaries we've done, and I still muscle through it for you. We'll get through it together. It'll be hilarious.

[Jillian Panzavale]

We love you. We love your support. Let's talk about some gay stuff.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Girl.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Girl.

[Jillian Panzavale]

What are we talking about today?

[Patrick Hines]

We're talking about Dilfy.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Dilfy. Harvey Milk.

[Patrick Hines]

The times of Harvey Milk.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I just.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I can tell you want to be sentimental. I'm not. Read.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, I know. I just. I. I know. I'm just, you know, it's Pride month.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

New York City. It's just we're surrounded by gays as we speak.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Always.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm surrounded by gay all the time. But, you know, I just. This. This documentary is just so good.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

It won the 1984 Academy Award for best documentary, which was a really big deal at the time.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a perfect length.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Do you know that? I know. An hour and 28 minutes.

[Patrick Hines]

They have lower thirds. And we know everybody's name. I love it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You guys, I forgot that this was like, a major motion p picture with Sean Penn a few years ago. I totally forgot the Milk movie. Like, this isn't as obscure as I. As I thought it might be.

[Patrick Hines]

No, no, no. And there's a high school that my best friend Ashley teaches that she teaches Harvey Milk High school down there.

[Jillian Panzavale]

It's like the gay. It's the gay high school in New York City. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's amazing.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You guys, just on a personal note, I just want to say thank you so much for I love, like, dropping in these little gay documentaries from time to time.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Thank you guys for coming. It makes me so happy to share. Like, my people, our people. It's all of our people.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

With our other people.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And so I'm so thrilled that you guys are gonna learn more about Harvey Milk. Then you might not. No. Maybe some of you know tons, but maybe some of you know nothing.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And thank you as a CIS straightie, for letting me come along on this journey as an ally. And I appreciate it, and I am so ready to go. Can we please laugh about some other people.

[Jillian Panzavale]

We're gonna laugh, you guys, but this is also super true crimey, so just buckle up.

[Patrick Hines]

There are 15 million lesbians and gay

[Supporting Female Speaker]

men waiting to hear your voice in San Francisco. They can come out and not have to worry about their jobs. The white, non gay, very wealthy establishment have to deal with me. Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk have been shot and killed. If we learn from history that the struggle goes on, eventually we will win.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Girl, do you want to get us started?

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, they get us started. First of all, please tell the people who the narrator is.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Okay, you guys, the narrator is Harvey Fierstein. Everybody knows who Harvey Fierstein is.

[Patrick Hines]

Not Harvey Weinstein.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

As he was accused on Twitter.

[Jillian Panzavale]

When the whole Harvey Weinstein thing was happening, Harvey Fierstein, the gayest, gayest human being on earth, was getting, like, horrible tweets about the sexually harassing women. You guys, two different people.

[Patrick Hines]

Two different people. If you need a visual, he was the guy. He was Robin Williams brother and Mrs. Doubtfire.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Who does the makeup?

[Jillian Panzavale]

He's a super famous Broadway legend. Like, he. Look up Torch Song trilogy. Look up La Cage Faux or Kinky Boots or any of that. Newsies. He wrote the script for the musical adaptation of Newsies for the stage. He's. He's just a legend. He's the most amazing, warm person. He sounds clinically depressed the entire time.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. And he does have a very famous, distinctive voice. So you'll be like, oh, that guy.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Right, right, right. Totally. So it opens on the steps of the San Francisco City hall, you guys, with Dianne Feinstein. She was the President of the Board of Supervisors then. This was 1978.

[Patrick Hines]

As President of the Board of Supervisors,

[Supporting Female Speaker]

it's my duty to make this announce. Both Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk

[Patrick Hines]

have been shot and killed.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Quiet. The suspect is Supervisor Dan White.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And the prime suspect was Dan White, another of the city supervisors. Yeah, yeah. He gets a lot of garbage.

[Patrick Hines]

Bells. I do love. Not love. But in this scene, everyone is. Because there's so much chaos. Like, and we'll learn what happens later. But we start, like, in the midst of the chaos, and she's trying to speak, and everyone is just talking over her. So everyone's saying, quiet. And I. There's one person who just goes quiet. Who, like, real. And I'm like, that's Larry Kramer. Right? Like, it's so. Like, there's one queen in my head. It's some queen. There's one. Quiet. That. And everyone's Just like, yeah, everyone shuts up.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Just for the record, if you guys don't know, Dianne Feinstein really quickly goes on to become that. She takes over for George Moscone as the. As the President of the Board of Supervisors. She becomes the first female mayor of San Francisco. And in 1996, she's elected to the Senate, where she still sits. She's the one that's right now drafting all of the bills, trying to get these kids out of the camps that our President has put them in at the border.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. I mean, garbage for that, but hero

[Jillian Panzavale]

for Trump, for Dianne Feinstein. Yeah, she's amazing. You know, we hear from Harvey Milk right away.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

He.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Harvey Milk sort of famously made a lot of recordings of himself. And he tape recorded his will. And he. But basically, what we're getting from this is that, like, he was saying that he knew that he could be assassinated at any time. He was sort of unemotional about it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, he had this, like, crazy real awareness of, like, yep, what I'm doing is pretty historical. And I don't give a shit. And someone is probably going to want to kill me for it. So, like, today might be the day. So I have some. So much work to do today, knowing

[Supporting Female Speaker]

that I could be assassinated any moment, anytime. I feel it's important that some people know my thoughts. I stood for more than just a candidate. I. I have never considered myself a candidate. I have always considered myself part of a movement.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Before we get too far afield with the emotions, can we just talk about how good he looks in a T shirt?

[Patrick Hines]

He looks great.

[Jillian Panzavale]

He is like an older guy.

[Patrick Hines]

He's like, a man knows how to wear a T shirt. It's pretty good. You know, a lot of guys don't know how to put on a T shirt.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And that sounds ridiculous.

[Patrick Hines]

And maybe I've been watching a lot of Queer Eye, which I have. Please save us Queer Eye. So we meet a lot of people, from his constituents to people he worked with. And the first person we meet is Ann Cronenberg.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Ms. Ann Cronenberg. Perm for days.

[Patrick Hines]

And that tan. I hope it's fake because she. That's unhealthy. And to be out in the sun like that. She met Harvey at his camera store.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Can you paint a picture of what she describes?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, she really just describes a man ranting and raving like a screaming lunatic. And she's like, I can't be around this person. She ends up working for him. So that didn't last forever.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So weird.

[Ann Cronenberg]

He was screaming. And I don't even know what the issue was at that point, but he was screaming and shouting at someone in the camera store. And I. I was a little intimidated, you know, I thought, this guy is a little too weird for me.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Like, I had forgotten until I revisited this movie that, like, Harvey Milk had a reputation for totally having temper. Tantru. In Ann Cronenberg's telling of this scene, it sounds like he's screaming at some old lady who's trying to return a camera or something.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Or just like, that's not the right camera. Or, like, be your total camera snob about it. Like, Harvey, what are you, girl? Yeah. And then we meet Tori Hartman. So basically, we're just getting all these people's, like, first impressions of Harvey.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You guys, Tori Hartman looks like the wealthy neighbor on the Golden Girls, if

[Patrick Hines]

they had one those seashell earrings.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what I'm talking about. I love her. Those green eyes.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know Tori Hartman. She just wears her heart on her sleeve. Calls it like she sees it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Sometimes I feel like she must have, like, woken up at, like, a key party and been like, what am I doing here? Like, she definitely seems like she wandered into, like, this weird crowd that she's like, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And then she's like, well, I'm here. Yeah, I think that was her.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I love Tori Hartman.

[Patrick Hines]

She tells this incredible story.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Also kind of a personally invading story.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. But it's like, it's her story to tell, so.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Girl, totally.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what. You're right. She wears her heart on her sleeve. She's like, hey, I'm here. I woke up this key party.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

[Patrick Hines]

But she tells this story about she had a miscarriage.

[Tori Hartman]

Harvey had heard that this had happened, and lo and behold, there was a knock at the door. And I went sort of like floating to the door because I wasn't feeling well at all. And he was standing on my doorstep with a dozen roses. And he said, well, can I get you anything? Do you have enough food in the house? Do you have milk? Do you have food? I'll do your grocery shopping. And I knew him by name, as he knew me, but I didn't know him well enough for having to do my grocery shopping.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, I knew him. Yeah. Because everyone in the town knew him, but I didn't know him well enough for him to show up at my doorstep with flowers and go food shopping for me for dinner.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Right.

[Jillian Panzavale]

It was. She also made it sound like she sort of felt like this is really sweet. But, Harvey, you're a 10. I need you like a six, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Harvey's. He's like a 15.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like, what do you want, a camera? You're using the wrong camera.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So now we get the Harvey Milk backstory. First of all, his name is Harvey Bernard Milk. I just love that name.

[Patrick Hines]

I know.

[Jillian Panzavale]

That's such a name.

[Patrick Hines]

It is a name. And then it's like, you know, he joins the Navy after college, and then he was a stock analyst on Wall street. And it's like, totally. That's a really appropriate name. Yeah, that name just fits.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

In the 1960s, Harvey Milk took a step off course. He befriended avant garde theater people, then worked his way into a producing job on Broadway. By the Beginning of the 70s, Harvey Milk had marched in anti war demonstrations, burned his Bank Americard in protest, and emigrated to San Francisco.

[Jillian Panzavale]

This is where I have a note that we need to take a minute and talk about the Harvey Fierstein narration. Like, I know Red Bull didn't exist in 1984, but girl, have a cup of coffee.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, it was probably him just saying, like, I'll write it and I'll direct myself, and it's fine. But, you know, you needed someone to be like, harvey, do you need a five?

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Water on your face. And let's go. Ten minutes in. We're talking about how in the 60s, he made friends with the theater kids and then became a Broadway producer. Like, this is good stuff, you guys.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I looked this up. I forgot about this. Harvey Milk was the assistant to the director of the original Jesus Christ Superstar.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, that is perfect.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Isn't that insane?

[Patrick Hines]

Right? That part of story for him. But so then now he, like, burns his draft card and we're in San Francisco.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

He and lover Scott Smith settled down and opened a camera store on Castro street in a quiet old neighborhood soon to become known as the Castro. Harvey Milk threw himself into neighborhood politics,

[Patrick Hines]

and he dubs himself the mayor of Castro Street. And I don't know if you guys have ever been to the Castro in San Francisco, but it is fantastically gay.

[Jillian Panzavale]

It's very gay.

[Patrick Hines]

It is just the gayest. It is awesome. And I say that with all the love in the world, obviously.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So this is when he starts running for political office, like, 1973. Yeah, he runs for the Board of Supervisors in San Francisco. And he runs, like, year after year after year. He never wins.

[Patrick Hines]

Can we just take a real quick pause?

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know what you're gonna say.

[Patrick Hines]

Jim Elliot, auto mechanic, also known as Jim with the green shirt in our union.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

We get together with other union delegates and talk over who we're gonna support. And we supported a guy that I didn't know at that time, Harvey Milk.

[Patrick Hines]

So Harvey Milk was having one of his campaign or some meeting, some rally in the back of the camera store, and he shows up with Jim Elliott, shows up with all of his union pals, his mechanic union pals.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Can you imagine?

[Patrick Hines]

And what Harvey Milk is saying about. About employers and unions, they're all like, this is kind of great.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

They support him based on what he says and what he believes.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Which is great. How it should be.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But then he goes, someone said, someone told Jim that Harvey Milk was gay. And he says,

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

somebody said he's. He's gay.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

I thought, holy Christ, how are we gonna. How are we gonna go back to our union and go back to where

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

we work and tell guys that we supported a fruit?

[Patrick Hines]

I thought, holy Christ, how are we gonna tell the union we supported a fruit? Garbage. And then he's like, what's labor coming to when we need a fruit to help us get the things that we want?

[Jillian Panzavale]

He actually says, my God, what is labor coming to?

[Patrick Hines]

Holy Christ. And then he. Yeah, but. But I realized that Harvey Milk was actually getting shit done for the unions.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, for a long time. And so here's the thing about Jim Elliott. He's like, the stuff he says, like, supported a fruit. That's total garbage. But I love him because he just did it anyway because he's like, I just kind of love what this guy had to say.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

Even though I'm going to use insults to describe him, his sexuality didn't define Harvey Milk for.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

He was really making a name for himself as a person, a politician for the people.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Even Jim in the green shirt could be like, I like the kind of. The skin.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Hey, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

I like what he's saying. Yeah. Hey, girl. No, no, no. I'm not a fruit. Jim, can you settle down? Settle down. You look great in that shirt. Jim is another man who knows how to put a shirt on. But, like, sit down, sit down.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Can you just imagine how, like, how the phone call for him to be a part of this documentary when. Oh, yeah, you want me to talk about that old queer guy?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, yeah. The fruits and the kooks. Yeah, yeah, I'm on it. On it. Which is.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Let me put on my green shirt. I To come down and talk about the fruit and the kook.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Jim in the green shirt in 1975, neighborhood activists like Harvey Milk found a strong supporter in their new mayor, George Moscone. Moscone had campaigned on the conviction that a city is enriched by more than downtown development.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

To make our city work once again.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

As the new mayor, Moscone showed respect for his city's many neighborhoods, cultures, and peoples.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So the big thing that George Moscone does is he creates the. He.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

I don't.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I guess maybe not created, because they say at some point that they had had this also in the past. But he brings back the idea of district elections for the city supervisors.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And the city supervisors are like City council, but they call it supervisors in San Francisco.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So in this. In this new setup or return setup, the supervisors would run from their districts instead of the city at large.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

This is when they cue that disco, girl. Because the district election thing totally goes

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

through, the voters of San Francisco decided to give the district elections plan a try. In the Castro, a new kind of politics was taking shape. More and more men and women were arriving in San Francisco every day to take up the gay life. The Castro was booming.

[Patrick Hines]

The filmmakers were just like, let's have a party. Boy, do we all. I love that song so much.

[Jillian Panzavale]

It is funny. Like, this is where you see like. Like, the. The Castro in the 80s. It's just in, like, the 70s. It's, like, just boys making out and, like, disco music. And there's. Every day there was a parade, and there was some sort of, like, concert or something, like, in the middle of the street.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Imagine if you lived there and you weren't gay. You're just like, what? When is this lease over?

[Patrick Hines]

Or you'd be like, yes, girl. Finally. And so that's when he decided, you know what? The Castro is totally ready to elect its own rep to City Hall. And who better than Harvey Milk, the self described mayor of Castro Street.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, he was throwing the best parties anyway. That's all he.

[Jillian Panzavale]

A tight T shirt. God damn it, Harvey Milk.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

In 1977, Milk launched his fourth political campaign, this time for the Board of Supervisors from the newly created District 5.

[Patrick Hines]

So now it's in this newly created District 5. Please tell me there are 8,000 gay bars named District 5. Girls. Get on it. So now we go back to Ann. Can we get back to Anne?

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah, of course.

[Patrick Hines]

So Anne is the City hall aide who we met in the beginning with the perm.

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Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And she becomes his campaign manager.

[Jillian Panzavale]

He calls her, and she's like, are you that queen that was screaming at that lady in the camera store who

[Patrick Hines]

I Just saw the camera four seconds ago that I kind of didn't want to be around. That energy is that you.

[Ann Cronenberg]

And I went in to meet with him, and we just hit it off instantly. That very first day, he asked me if I would run his campaign. I was 23. There's this punk kid who knows nothing about campaigns except that I loved them.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, then Tori comes on the scene.

[Ann Cronenberg]

Yeah.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So Tori is like, mom, like, it's like Ann Cronenberg is like the young punky kid who doesn't know what she's doing. She's gonna run the campaign. And then Tori, the lady with the Shelly earrings, who's like the next door neighbor to the Golden Girls, she comes in and she's got a lot of

[Tori Hartman]

thoughts, especially after the number of campaigns that I had been through with the Democratic Party and kind of the normal type of politicians and the normal kind of campaign campaigns. That campaign was anything but normal.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, she is now his, like, political consultant. Yes. And she just admits. She goes, this is kind of madness, but I'm loving every second of it. She, like, nothing makes any sense. And she basically. Her whole deal is like, harvey, girl, listen, I know that this is kind of part of your thing, that you're outspoken, but she's like, you have to play the game a little. You can't just be naked in the Castro making out all like, that's awesome.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Have to play the game a little. And then she. Can you just play this? Because I'm not going to say the word what she says to describe Ann.

[Jillian Panzavale]

This is how she describes Anne Cronenberg.

[Patrick Hines]

I said, well, who's that?

[Tori Hartman]

And there's this desk over in the corner. It's really dark. I don't think there's a plug back in that corner. There's a telephone. And he says, she's really good. Her name is Ann Cronenberg. She's really good. And I'm looking at her and thinking, oh, my Lord. Your image here. He's trying to run, you know, in a very big district. He'd run in our neighborhood, and anything goes in our neighborhood, but when you get out, you know, you kind of have to kind of blend in. And I looked at Ann, and here she was, you know, like a. Like a big dyke with the motorcycle clothes on.

[Patrick Hines]

You can't.

[Jillian Panzavale]

She says it sort of like, with a smile. She's not being homophobic at all, but she's just saying it like, she's using it as though like, she's my sister. Like, of course I could say that.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And you know, Tori had an experience or two at an LSD party in the 60s. Come on, girl.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Come on.

[Patrick Hines]

That's why she's like, I'm coming. Of loving this.

[Tori Hartman]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. So at 47 years old, after running four times, Harvey Milk freaking wins. And he's elected as the Superman.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Can we get a hero bell?

[Patrick Hines]

All the hero bells. I mean, I'm here for it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

The debut of the hero Harp. You guys, you heard it here.

[Patrick Hines]

For her, for Harvey Milk and for Harvey Milk only. Don't get me started. But here's one of my things that I just needed I cannot wait to talk to you about. It's one line, but Anne is describing, like, what, you know, Harvey Milk shows up to the celebration party.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And she goes, he rode up on a motorcycle. Not his. Well, my motorcycle.

[Ann Cronenberg]

When Harvey got back to the campaign headquarters that night, people went crazy. He rode up on his. Not his motorcycle, my motorcycle.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, okay, so what Tori's saying, now it's all coming together. That Harvey Milk was like, girl, give me that motorcycle and leather jacket. I gotta celebrate. Also, they celebrate at a bar called Alfie's.

[Jillian Panzavale]

That's your pupper.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's such a little queen. So it makes sense. He's such a queen.

[Ann Cronenberg]

Alfie was more than just, you know, a candidate winning. It was the fact that all of these lesbians and gay men throughout San Francisco who had felt like they'd had no voice before, now had someone who represented them just feel so good for Milk.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

But when feeling good for Milk, you were feeling good for yourself.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, this was elation, just absolute elation. And then this reporter is like, do you think the gays are gonna take over San Francisco? Girl, where have you been? The gays have been in San Francisco for quite some.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

What does this mean, your election, your activity now on the Board of Supervisors in San Francisco. Does that mean as many straits are concerned, maybe the gays are taking over San Francisco? Are you gonna be a supervisor for all the people? I have to be. That's what I was elected for. I have to be there to open up for the dialogue, for the sensitivities of all people. All the problems. The problems that affect this city, affect all of us.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And then we meet Dan White, this

[Patrick Hines]

bitch, AKA this, this bitch. He was a firefighter hero. Bells for firefighters, totally.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And a cop at one point.

[Patrick Hines]

Fine. All the good ones.

[Ann Cronenberg]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Amazing. But he left that to. Now he lived in District 8. Here's the thing about Dan White. I was enraged in this scene, because he's walking down the street.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Are you going to be upset about the same thing I was upset about? Go ahead.

[Patrick Hines]

Fucking better be.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Go ahead.

[Patrick Hines]

He is talking about how, like, the neighborhood problems are the city problems. And I'm like, okay, I see that. Like, you have to. That's why we have this district system totally on board.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

You see, the transportation, the crime, the education, the taxes. These are problems that we're all, all going to have to solve.

[Patrick Hines]

So he. They're walking by this, like, I, I'm. I'm totally with you.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I'm totally with you.

[Ryan Seacrest (Ad)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm like. I'm, like, bracing myself. I'm flipping this table. I'm sorry, girl. I'll give you the deposit back. I don't know what to tell you. They're walking by this, like, beauty parlor. The salon.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And he downright forces a woman to be on camera.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

And because, you know, they want to do that politician thing where he's like, a man of the people.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know everybody in the neighborhood wants

[Patrick Hines]

to be on camera and, like, say hi to him. And goes in, like, to the doorway, takes her hand.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Drags her out.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Hello. And come on out here. Come on. Come on. Say hello. Come. Come on.

[Patrick Hines]

And will not let go of her hand. And this poor woman is trying to pull away. And she gets one hand away. And then he uses the other hand to hold her, and it's like, by her wrist.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know, I know, I know, I know. Horrible.

[Patrick Hines]

This woman does not want to be on camera. And then the voiceover of the newscast of that night is like, he is so respectful to his constituen.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Dan White comes across as the kind

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

of son almost any mother would be proud of.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, he's dragging this woman against her will. I can't.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Her hands are turning blue.

[Patrick Hines]

He's like, this room better be soundproof. I will not.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I want you to know that I have it all in capital letters. I was furious about that.

[Patrick Hines]

I just said, I am screaming and cast. I was like, girl, she is pulling away. And the reporter's like, what a respectful young man. This is why we are in the. This is why we're in the. Live in the world we live in right now.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Because what a respectful man dragging this poor woman who's like, I, I, I hate this. I do not want to do this, you guys know, means no in every sense of the word. Don't drag someone.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know. I'm with you. I'm Totally with you.

[Patrick Hines]

And that's not even the worst thing he does.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

This is just the beginning of J.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Like, way worse stuff than that. Like, you would think it couldn't get worse than that, but you guys are totally that. He murders two people in part one,

[Patrick Hines]

and then we meet Jimmy Carter, who did not want to be photographed with a gay person, and Harvey. So now the garbage bell's shifting to hero bell because Harvey's like, I'm bringing a goddamn photographer, and I'm taking a picture with Jimmy goddamn car. And guess what he did.

[Tori Hartman]

He wanted to meet Carter. He thought that was very important. And I think he even brought a photographer along, even though Carter didn't want to be photographed with a gay person.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Fuck you, Jimmy Carter. Fuck you, Jimmy Carter. Jesus Christ. We're all raised on the idea that, like, Jimmy Carter was, like, the. Like, this great humanitarian, wanted to be in the forefront of human rights rights. Doesn't want to fucking have his picture taken with a. With a gay person.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, guess what?

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[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Deal with it. And can we talk about Ruth Carter Stapleton for a real quick garbage minute? Here's your garbage minute. Just real quick. I don't. I'm not wasting more than a minute on her.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Garbage minute is. It should be a new segment.

[Patrick Hines]

It's our garbage.

[Ryan Seacrest (Ad)]

Oh, my God.

[Jillian Panzavale]

That is so. Yes, please.

[Patrick Hines]

She doesn't deserve any more than.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know. But it's so funny. He has, like, this crazy evangelical fucking sister.

[Tori Hartman]

And Ruth Carter Stapleton was. You know, the evangel evangelical sister was carrying on a mission on gay gays, right?

[Patrick Hines]

So she basically.

[Jillian Panzavale]

This is Jimmy Carter's sister, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Ruth Carter Sableton. She tries to convert. Where's the clock? 60 seconds. She tries.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I'm actually looking.

[Patrick Hines]

Tick, tick.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

She tries to convert Harvey Milk, who's like, girl, have we met? And she goes on and on like, I can change you. I can change you. And he's like, really, sweetheart? Bless you in the. In the worst, worst, worst way. And he goes to shake her hand, and she does. For some reason. She's probably, like, praying like, oh, God, I don't want to catch it. I don't want to catch it. And he says, I'm surprised you'd shake my hand. And she's like, well, why? And he goes, well, because you never know where it's been. Ooh, the shade. The shade. Is the nine minute up?

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah. Good job. Garbage minute.

[Patrick Hines]

My new favorite segment is your garbage minute.

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[Patrick Hines]

Can we talk about just like one little sentimental thing? Just like one moment mentality?

[Jillian Panzavale]

You guys, this is going to take a really dark turn at some point. So we're just getting all the laughs out now.

[Patrick Hines]

So Harvey's on camera and he's being asked what it's like to be elected.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And he just says this thing, you

[Supporting Female Speaker]

know, like the establishment, the white power, established, non gay, very wealthy establishment. Have to deal with me. It's an incredible position.

[Patrick Hines]

And then he just starts crying and he's like, I have a cold. Can we kiss you again?

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Excuse me. Cock.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Careful.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

I have a slight cold.

[Jillian Panzavale]

But then he blows his nose for 35 seconds.

[Patrick Hines]

You are on camera.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You are.

[Patrick Hines]

You look excellent. But like running a comb through your hair is just a general. That's the umbrella, take two.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Would it repeat that, please?

[Jillian Panzavale]

Can we please talk about the quote, dog problem in San Francisco?

[Patrick Hines]

You mean the pooper scooper ordinance?

[Jillian Panzavale]

Oh, I love hearing you say that. The thing about this is that it's this silly thing that Harvey Milk did that like, it's famous because Harvey Milk was on track to be mayor of San Francisco. That was what he wanted. And Ann Cronenberg talks about how, like, he knew this was ridiculous. He knew this was silly, but anybody who could solve the dog shit problem in San Francisco could be mayor.

[Ann Cronenberg]

He knew that the pooper scooper ordinance, along with a few other things would really give him good press. He was a master at figuring out what would get him covered in the newspaper.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's absolutely right. So he's like, I have to do this. And he's now listening to torey seashell earrings. Playing the game a little bit.

[Jillian Panzavale]

It's a hyphenated last name. She got married, but she wanted to keep her made it seashell hyphen earrings.

[Patrick Hines]

Loving her and those earrings, you know that like I'm going to get those.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I want them to be clip ons. I'm afraid they're not. But I really want them to be clip on so she could like take it off when she answers the chord list.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally like Joan and Mad Men. I don't know why. Every episode I'm referencing so what he did what he. He knew that it would get him amazing press.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

But he wasn't just going to like, like leave it to fates that there would be dog on the ground.

[Ann Cronenberg]

And so the day of, of his press conference for the pooper scooper ordinance, he went out early and planted some on the lawn so that after his press conference he knew just where he was going to stand that he would step in it.

[Patrick Hines]

He's a planner and he's a gay. So he's got the theater. He's a theater gay.

[Jillian Panzavale]

That's true. That's true.

[Patrick Hines]

So what did he do? He planted shit on the lawn after he gave a speech beach so that he can like take a perfectly choreographed step back.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And be like, see what I'm talking about? And of course there's like the camera pan up of him like cleaning his shoes. Totally is genius. And it ended up helping the city because the thing passed totally. The pooper scooper ordinance. That's. Someone had to fight. Someone typed that up unofficial. The pooper scooper ordinance. Say the dog. Get the dog off the street. You can't say that to get the

[Jillian Panzavale]

dog shit off the street Ordinance.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what I would call it. We like deal with it. That's what we're doing.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So then the big. One of the first big things he did after the pooper scooper ordinance was the gay rights ordinance for San Francisco. This was like a major, major first, you guys.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

With the gay rights ordinance in San Francisco, the main focus is, is to prevent the people who are already employed who are gay, who if they Want to come out and break down the stereotypes, prevent something from being fired.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Harvey Milk felt that true gay equality would only come when everybody could come out to the people that they know and love. Cause that's how, like Jim in the green shirt, like, you only realize you don't have any problem with gay people when you know a gay person that you love.

[Patrick Hines]

Right?

[Jillian Panzavale]

Harvey Muck's a hero.

[Patrick Hines]

Yep.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Ding.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Guess who has a big problem with the Gay Rights Ordinance.

[Patrick Hines]

Dan White, AKA this bitch.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

You can have someone that's a transvestite, a man that, for his sexual kicks or orientation, whatever you want to call it, loves to dress up as a woman. If he is a qualified teacher, he can go into any school or he can go into any business, and they can't refuse him.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

And the thing is, Dan White, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage. Was the only person to vote against the ordinance. The mayor was like, girl, I'm signing this shit. Go have your own kicks.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, you're so curious. You know, you want to have your own kicks behind closed doors, wearing your wife's, whatever. You know, you do. Damn. White calling you out.

[Jillian Panzavale]

There's this amazing. It's iconic. If you're, like, in the community or, like, if you just know about it. Footage of him at the Gay Freedom Day, which comes right after the. The ordinance gets signed. And Cronenberg is talking about how, and rightfully so. She was terrified that someone was going to take a shot at Harvey Milk.

[Ann Cronenberg]

And Harvey said it could happen any day, at any place, at any time, and I'm just not going to worry about it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Harvey is, like, sitting on the car. He's, like, sitting on the back as people do in parades or whatever. He's got those, like, rainbow lays around his neck, and he's, like, pumping his arm like he's on our city. He looks fantastic in that T shirt. And he. Look, there's at one point that the camera pulls up right to his face, like somebody's in the parade with him. And he. I'm gonna cry. He looks down and he goes, come on out.

[Patrick Hines]

Come on out. I have that, too.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So famous.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's like, so many levels. Come on out to the street. Yes. Come on out. March. Come on out of the closet. It's just like, I could sob.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah, it's amazing.

[Patrick Hines]

And then just real quick, Dan White, this bitch is just like. People are asking him about what he thinks about the march and the parade or whatever. And he.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Here's what he has to.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

What did you see that you thought was obscene. Well, I see naked men walking around, naked women walking around, which doesn't bother me as far as my personal standards of nudity or what. But it's not proper. Many people do not approve of outward displays of sexuality, be it heterosexuality or homosexuality.

[Patrick Hines]

So basically, he's like, I don't personally. Like, I don't mind it. Like, I'm not fine with nudity, but, like, other people might be offended by it. So I'm going to fight for those people, totally. Girl.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Girl, shut up.

[Patrick Hines]

If you don't mind it. And also, it's not that you don't mind it. Like, this is a movement that's happening right now, and it's not something that you can't just, like, not mind. That's such. And it's such.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Totally. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And I hate him. My voice just, like, my throat almost closed, like, girl, stop talking about him. Stop talking about him. He's not worth it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So now we're learning that in 1977 and 1978, gay rights measures were being repealed across the United States. There were so fucking few to begin with.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

I know.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Like, not only were things being, like, overturned, things were not moving forward in terms of, like, if people try to initiate gay rights bills. It was a. It was a dark day. We have this, another. This bitch. This bitch Anita Bryant to thank for this. You guys, look up Anita Bryant, Dade County, Florida. She was the person who was, like, leading the charge against all of the gays in the country. So that's the backdrop against which the Briggs Initiative gets launched in California.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Briggs mounted a campaign for Proposition 6, a statewide measure to deny homosexuals their jobs in public schools.

[Patrick Hines]

They want to take all gay teachers out of schools.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Mm.

[Patrick Hines]

And the thing is, this totally backfired because the more they talked about it, the more Harvey Milk was in the spotlight and the more he was slaying every television appearance, in every interview. And, like, they put sexuality, the conversation about sexuality, on the forefront.

[Jillian Panzavale]

It's true.

[Patrick Hines]

All they want to do is sweep it on the rug. Girl, it's not how it works.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So Harvey meets this woman, Sally M. Gerhardt, and she becomes, like, a partner with him for these, like, TV appearances.

[Patrick Hines]

She hero, Bell, Sally. I love her.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So they had this one debate, like, on. On, like, California tv, where it was, like. It was Sally and Harvey debating Briggs and his horrible group of people.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, so Sally's a little bit like Tori with the seashell earrings, where she's like, girl, I'm totally with you. Sally's gay. She's, like, totally but she's like, you have to play the game the tiniest bit.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Yeah, I remember that just before that debate, we had had a lot of talk, Harvey and I, about how we would dress. And we had agreed that the image that we wanted to project was sort of Mama and Papa usa as neat and conservative as we possibly could.

[Patrick Hines]

So she gets a phone call, like the morning of. It's 10 minutes before they're supposed to meet up or. Or whatever.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Harvey calls me and says, I've lost my earrings, dear. Whatever shall I do?

[Patrick Hines]

And then she just starts laughing because she knew he was in the right suit. Okay, this is like what. This is when things get just insane. And I'm like, I'm having an. I'm sorry, what? Off with myself, because I kind of can't believe what I'm saying. Saying we get these people like, Reagan went against Prop 6, Dan White went against Prop 6. Jimmy Carter told people to vote against it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Okay, here's the thing. Jimmy Carter was at a rally where he was speaking in California because the Prop 6 is a very. It's only affects California.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

As the President left the podium, Jerry Brown whispered to him briefly, and he came back for one more word of advice for voters. And Gordon Reagan already came out against it. So I think it's perfectly safe. I also want to ask everybody to vote against Proposition 6.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You hear one of his, like, advice. You can hear this.

[Patrick Hines]

You can see someone, like, pull him aside.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah. And he's like, it's pulling at this and things are fine. And you should say this. And it wouldn't. It's not going to affect you badly at all. And Jimmy Carter comes back to the microphone and he's like, you should all vote no on Prop 6. And it's like, thank you, Jimmy Carter.

[Patrick Hines]

Remember when you didn't want to be photographed with a gay man? Now you just actually supported him. So, like, thanks, girl. I guess. Totally dummy.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And so the thing is, like, as they're going into the day of the voting, like, they really think that the gays are going to lose on this. And they say, even, like, as the returns are coming in that night, it seems like they don't think they're going to win. And then the gays win.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

On November 7, 1978, Proposition 6 was defeated by a resounding 59 to 41%.

[Patrick Hines]

Everyone loses their shit in the best way possible.

[Jillian Panzavale]

We hear the audio of Harvey at the rally, or whatever it was that night.

[Patrick Hines]

And this is where we victory speech, I guess.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Totally. And he's saying that. That, like, we owe it to the world to come out. Like, the world showed up for us in this moment. We owe it to the world to

[Supporting Female Speaker]

come out to the gay community all over this state. My message to you is. So far, a lot of people joined us and rejected Proposition 6. And now we owe them something. We owe them to continue the education campaign that took place. We must destroy the myths once and for all, shatter them. We must continue to speak out. And most importantly, most importantly, every gay person must come out.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And it's like, it's so. It's a. Such a famous speech. And it's so like, oh, it's just like my heart.

[Patrick Hines]

All right, well, now, like, shit goes

[Jillian Panzavale]

down on the board of supervisors. Ms. Dan White Resignation signs four days

[Patrick Hines]

after the Briggs Initiative I know, I know. Can't handle it.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

In the last year, Dan White had left a secure job as a fireman, been elected a city supervisor for little pay, launched a risky new business, and become a father for the first time. Dan White had entered City hall an idealist. Unlike his flourishing counterpart, Harvey Milk, he was often frustrated by the job. White had never learned to operate in City Hall's atmosphere of back scratching and compromise.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know. And you. There's like this great video of him ranting and raving, and Harvey Milk is just sitting there with his legs crossed. Like, girl, you do you go.

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[Supporting Female Speaker]

Yeah, bye.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Bye, boy. Bye.

[Tori Hartman]

Bye.

[Jillian Panzavale]

But you guys, he takes the weekend and all of a sudden wants his job back.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, girl.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

I didn't run for election to resign 10 months later. I worked awfully hard. My wife and my supporters worked awfully hard so that I would be elected. And it was a major decision, as you can all understand, on Friday that I had to come to arrive at. But since that time, people unknown to me, plus my family and friends have come to me and stated that they want me to stay in office, that they supported me to stay in office.

[Patrick Hines]

His wife was like, girl, what the fuck did you just do? Because, you know, that's what happened.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

They had a super awkward weekend.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Someone slept on the couch and was like, honey, I'll fix it on Monday. And it's like, that's not how it works.

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[Jillian Panzavale]

But, like, even the mayor. That had never happened before. The mayor, like, needed the. Like needed info from, like, the city attorney.

[Patrick Hines]

Go to the books and be like, is there something on record for this, too?

[Jillian Panzavale]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

There is.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And the thing is, the mayor has

[Jillian Panzavale]

to reappoint him or appoint somebody else. And Harvey Milk takes the sort of unusual step of going to the mayor and saying, like, hey girl, we need that vote.

[Ann Cronenberg]

Harvey's story was that the mayor was thinking of reappointing Dan. And that Harvey went in and said, how can you possibly do that? Dan is the sixth vote on the board we need. And certainly Harvey was courageous in that stance because no one else was doing it. And there were other supervisors on the board who felt just as strongly, but they weren't going to get involved in that. I mean, what if Dan got reappointed? You know, think of the animosity.

[Patrick Hines]

So now the shit goes down like, of like proportions I'd never seen before in my life. Jonestown happened.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

The city learned of the murder suicide of some 900 people, most of them San Franciscans in Jonestown, Guyana.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Like 90 something percent of the people who died at Jonestown were San Franciscans. So the mayor can no longer deal with Dan White's fucking temper tantrum.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, enough.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know, he's, he's like, I've got to deal with the fact that like all of these people from our city are dead in South America.

[Patrick Hines]

There's a real tragedy here.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Exactly. So, like in the middle of all that, the mayor has to make a decision about Dan. Dan White's spot.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

On Monday, November 27, Mayor Moscone planned to announce District 8's new supervisor. It was not going to be Dan White.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Somehow Dan White gets wind that it's not going to go his way.

[Patrick Hines]

And then you guys, it's the tragedy. We're here.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah. So basically we're back to the beginning. And, and we're seeing all the footage we saw in the beginning, except we're seeing more where we see Diane Feinstein on the steps of City hall coming down saying that Moscone and Harvey Milk are dead.

[Patrick Hines]

And, and we see like bodies being taken out with the sheets on.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Now we're really seeing the actual footage. Like the actual footage of the bodies being taken out of City Hall. So then. And girl, I forgot this when Dianne Feinstein makes that announcement. He was not in custody. They did not have him.

[Patrick Hines]

Not only was he not in custody, they made it very clear he's armed and dangerous. Yes. And nobody knows where he is.

[Jillian Panzavale]

No.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Units. Suspect named Dan White. White male adult, 32 years, 6ft, 185 pounds on a three piece brown suit. Considered armed and dangerous.

[Patrick Hines]

But what's amazing is that even then, even back in the 70s, this was all on camera.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Some. I always imagine that they're running around like huge. Can't Let the cameras on rollers. Like, how, how the news people who got this footage. God bless you. I know, it's incredible.

[Patrick Hines]

So they, like, run down to the parking lot. Parking lot. Find his car, like, chase him down. And it's one of those parking lot where it's just like those big turns. And every boat was like a giant. Every car was like a gigantic boat. Cadillac.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Totally. Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

They get him, you guys.

[Jillian Panzavale]

But they have it on camera. Like these camera people chase him. Or like, went into the parking structure and found him.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And like, pulled him out of the car and pulled him into the elevator. And he's looking, like, not upset.

[Jillian Panzavale]

No.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Former supervisor Dan White is now in custody. Repeating, former supervisor Dan White is now in custody.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Now we get the information on what happened and it's fucking awful.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

At approximately 10:45am realizing he was not going to be reappointed, Dan White went directly to the mayor's office. Unannounced. There was a brief argument. Dan White pulled out a gun and shot George Moscone. The mayor fell, and White fired two more bullets in two.

[Patrick Hines]

Walked over to Harvey Milk's office and did the same exact thing. Shot him more times than necessary.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

According to the coroner's report, Harvey Milk was rising both hands out in front of him when the first shot hit. He fell. White fired three more times. He leaned over and from above, put the gun nearly against Harvey Milk's head and fired a last time.

[Patrick Hines]

So now, you know, we hear from Sally, and she's, she has heard the news.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

And so I screamed and I came back up Van Ness Avenue. And I remember thinking, people are going about their business in an ordinary way. How dare they go about their business

[Ann Cronenberg]

in an ordinary way?

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Don't you realize the course of history has been changed?

[Jillian Panzavale]

She says the course of history has just been changed.

[Patrick Hines]

And she is absolutely right.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Harvey Milk would have been the mayor of San Francisco. A gay mayor of San Francisco in the late 70s, early 80s. It would have happened.

[Patrick Hines]

And then what? And then what?

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know. And I know Senator Harvey Miller Milk. I've thought about this ad nauseam. Like, I, I, I mean, really, truly like it. Harvey Milk would still be alive today. He was the same age as Dianne Feinstein, who's, like, at work as we record this.

[Patrick Hines]

Then there's this candlelight vigil, this candlelight march. And it's. The footage is the most unreal. Moving.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah. Again, this is like iconic footage. Like, you can watch it on YouTube if you don't want to watch the documentary. But it's like the entire Castro. I mean, thousands and thousands and thousands of people came out to March not just for Harvey Mel, but for Mayor Mosc too, of course.

[Ann Cronenberg]

And.

[Patrick Hines]

And Sally makes a point to say he was our friend and he was a friend to the community. So of course.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Moscone. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

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[Patrick Hines]

Five months later. Yeah, the trial of this bitch, Dan White.

[Jillian Panzavale]

One of our talking heads tells us that he started to feel the sense of doom because they were excluding all gay people from the jury. They were excluding all people who didn't have the. The same, like, political sensibility as Dan White. Minorities, Minorities. Everybody that didn't have like the. The Dan White sensibilities.

[Patrick Hines]

Or anyone who was helped by Harvey Milk.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Right.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

The prosecution argued a simple motive. Revenge. Detailing the facts of the crime. The state spent three days proving that Dan White committed the murders. White's own lawyers had already admitted this in their opening statement.

[Patrick Hines]

So here's the thing. The prosecution, they did something really bad. It totally backfired. They played Dan White's confession and I'll tell you what.

[Jillian Panzavale]

They play it in the documentary, and it is. It is devastating to listen to.

[Patrick Hines]

So they thought that if they were like, yeah, but, girl, like, he said it. They thought that's what people would listen to.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The fact that he said it. No, no, no. The jury felt bad for him.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

There was an awful lot of pressure lately. Financial pressure because of my job situation. Situation. Family pressure, not being able to have the time on. My family never called me. He told me he was going to call me before he made any decision. He never did that.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And what's on the table here is either, like, the murders in cold blood that he did, the premeditated murder, or a manslaughter charge. It's like he's going to get one or the other, basically, in.

[Patrick Hines]

In order to avoid the death penalty, they have to prove that he didn't plan it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Prosecutors, he did premeditate the murders because on that day, he put his gun on and he put a bunch of extra bullets into his pocket. Then he got into city hall here by climbing in this window, knowing that he couldn't get his gun past the metal detector in the main entrance. He climbed in through a window.

[Jillian Panzavale]

You guys, this is also famous.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

This.

[Jillian Panzavale]

This reporter that you hated from earlier in the documentary. She's standing next to the window talking about it like it's any other story.

[Patrick Hines]

And the defense, she tells us that the defense was like, actually, it's pretty common to climb through windows to get into buildings, you guys. In what universe, if I ever climbed in through a window to get somewhere

[Jillian Panzavale]

to avoid the metal detectors. It's super common, you guys, with my

[Patrick Hines]

extra bullets and my gun that I don't wear every day just to have a conversation with the guy who's not giving me my job back and the

[Jillian Panzavale]

queen who made it happen.

[Patrick Hines]

These are not hot dummies. I can't.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know, I know. So, you guys, the. The real. The big thing that happens here is that his lawyers introduce what is famously known as the Twinkie defense.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

White's lawyers introduced the testimony of five psychiatrists to prove that he acted while in a state of severe depression, induced in part by consuming too much junk food.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Hashtag Twinkie defense.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. And it's used in pop culture all the time.

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[Jillian Panzavale]

You guys, it works.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

His attorneys argued that he had killed Moscone and Milk in the heat of the month moment, and that under the law, the charges against him should be reduced from murder to manslaughter. The trial concluded in just 11 days.

[Jillian Panzavale]

He gets, like, two to four years on each charge with another possible two years for, like, using a gun in the commission of the crime or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

And he gets parole.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Guess who's pissed?

[Patrick Hines]

Everybody.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Everybody. Everybody.

[Patrick Hines]

Everybody. For you, buddy. There are rides, you guys.

[Jillian Panzavale]

There are. There's a march that turns into a riot. It is super crazy to watch this footage.

[Patrick Hines]

Breaking down the door, the glass doors of City hall, smashing in the windows,

[Jillian Panzavale]

setting police cars on fire. You see the police in. In riot gear. It's fucking crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

Not good, but you know what I mean.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah, I totally know what you mean.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, look, they could have rioted when he was shot. Yeah. They had trust in the system that he worked for. They were. These were elected officials who were murdered. And the system did not do right by them. By any fucking. The Twinkie defense. Are you kidding?

[Jillian Panzavale]

That's a thing. That's a thing.

[Patrick Hines]

That's a thing. There's a Wikipedia page for the goddamn Twinkie.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So, girl, how does it end?

[Patrick Hines]

So this bitch, Dan White, serves five and a half years and received no mental health treatment in prison.

[Jillian Panzavale]

But this. Killed himself a year later.

[Patrick Hines]

Killed Dan Wayne a year after he got out.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yep. Took his own life Oct. 21, 1985, leaving behind his wife and his, like, guiltless daughter. But it really ends with a super, super famous speech. Harvey Milk's like, hope speech. Yeah, I'm just gonna play a clip for it now as we head into our credits.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Somewhere in Des Moines or San Antonio, there's a young gay person who all of a sudden realizes that she or he is gay. Knows that if the parents find out, they'll be tossed out of the house. The classmates would taunt the child. And the Anita Bryans and John Briggs are doing their bit on tv. And that child had several options. Staying in a closet, suicide. And then one day, that child might open a paper and say, homosexual elected in San Francisco. And there are two new options. Option is to go to California, Stay in San Antonio and fight. Two days after I was elected, I got a phone call. And the voice was quite young. It was from Altoona, Pennsylvania. And the person said, thanks. And you've got to elect gay people so that that young child and the thousands upon thousands like that child know that there's hope for a better world. There's hope for a better tomorrow. Without hope, not only gays, but those blacks and the Asians, the Disabled, seniors, the US's. The US's. Without hope, the us's give up. I know that you cannot live on hope alone, but without it, life is not worth living. And you and you. And you gotta give them hope. Thank you very much,

[Ann Cronenberg]

Girl.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Happy pride.

[Patrick Hines]

Happy pride.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Oh, Harvey Milk.

[Patrick Hines]

What a roller coaster this was.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

What a roller coaster.

[Patrick Hines]

Can I say that in, like. I know, in such a. I don't know, just an emotional way.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I just want to look as good in a T shirt, that's all.

[Patrick Hines]

You do, girl.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Thank you.

[Patrick Hines]

You do. I say that so earnestly. You look fantastic.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I love you. We got through it.

[Patrick Hines]

We got through it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

So, you guys, we're off next week for the 4th of July, but our patreon is not off. So next week we will be releasing our 12th and final episode of our serial series. You guys, when we come back, we listened to you. By popular demand. We are doing Evil Genius, but we're gonna do two weeks in a row. So we're gonna do Evil Genius episodes one and two one week, and the following week, we're gonna do episodes three and four.

[Patrick Hines]

You guys, I. This. This document me up. And so I'm glad that I've had some time before I have to really, like, take the notes on it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But we love you.

[Jillian Panzavale]

We're doing it because you wanted it.

[Tori Hartman]

Here we are.

[Patrick Hines]

We're doing the staircase and Evil Genius. Guys, so good.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Segue reminder. Check out our Patreon. You guys, our interview with Rabia Chaudhry is booked. You guys, it's happening. We're gonna get the full update on the family on Adnan, on, like, the whole story about how cereal came to be. Where can they find us?

[Patrick Hines]

At true True Crime obsessed dot com. And that's our calendar and all our apps at True crime obsessed on the Twitter and of course, the true crime obsessed podcast discussion. You guys on Facebook.

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[Jillian Panzavale]

There we are. It's the. It's a party.

[Patrick Hines]

It is like, you know, Marsha and Sylvia and Harvey would be so proud.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Girl, where can they find you?

[Patrick Hines]

At Jillian with a G on all the things.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I'm at Patrick Hines on the Twitter. At Patrick Hines underscore on the Instagram. You guys are palpable cleanser. Today is going to be Madame Harvey Fierstein, the narrator for this episode and company from Hairspray. One of my favorite musicals of all time, girl.

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[Patrick Hines]

Of course. This is why we're friends.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Exactly. And before that, stay tuned for our hilarious outakes and we'll see you soon.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Bye. Love you.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye. Love you guys. 911, rich emergency.

[Jillian Panzavale]

We just blew up. We got him out of the car and helped them.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

I start hearing a. His eyes just got real Wide

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

a

[Jillian Panzavale]

potential hostage sent into the bank with an explosive around their neck. Something like this had never happened before in the history of the FBI.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

For being a small town, Erie has its share of bizarre events. But there is nothing that raised so many questions as this case.

[Ann Cronenberg]

The call.

[Jillian Panzavale]

The call was made to the pizza shop. At 1:30, Brian Wells drove to the site where the pizzas were to be delivered.

[Patrick Hines]

The man told police that he was forced to rob the bank.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

The FBI believe that whoever built the

[Jillian Panzavale]

collar is patient and secretive.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Brian Wells here, he was supposed to go on a scavenger hunt. He was supposed to go from point

[Jillian Panzavale]

A to point B to point C where the keys would be given him

[Supporting Female Speaker]

to release this bomb. This made worldwide news the purpose of

[Patrick Hines]

the pizza bomber plot? Money.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

How could this happen? Who's the mastermind?

[Ann Cronenberg]

Please.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

What's your emergency? There's a woman that you might want to question.

[Jillian Panzavale]

He's the one that did it. He and his co conspirators.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

There was a lot of tips coming

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in, but no smoking gun.

[Jillian Panzavale]

We didn't have DNA, fingerprints. The bomb had wires that didn't mean anything.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

To prevent the bomb squad from tampering with it.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you make the bomb?

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[Supporting Female Speaker]

It's a bank robbery, but it's a scavenger hunt. Guy has a cane gun and it was actually loaded. Who put this in motion? I did nothing. Who actually said, hey, let's rob it back?

[Patrick Hines]

She laughed about it.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

She says, I got away with it. Was Wells a victim?

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A participant?

[Jillian Panzavale]

When you have a bomb up to your neck. It became a diabolical game to them. I am so happy to bring the gays out every now and then. We got plenty of murder and mayhem in our gay community. Community. So it's tons of fun. It's horrible.

[Patrick Hines]

Take that again. Just focus on the gratitude. I think that's a better.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

He's like, get out of the closet this minute. He's like, tell everyone in the grocery store. I'm like, some people are so little frightened.

[Jillian Panzavale]

And then they vote for president of the board. And like, Dianne Feinstein is like, you know, the queen of the board. Harvey Milk does not vote.

[Tori Hartman]

Vote for her.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Meanwhile, Feinstein is sitting in her little like, head of the table, like, I see you.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, totally. She's like, noted. Check. Harvey was in District 5 gay bars. If there are not 100, I will not. There should be a thousand gay bars in District 5. And there's that old woman.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Oh, I love her.

[Patrick Hines]

I love my gay hairdresser. I take them on Vacation every year if I could. I just, just don't think he should be in the classroom.

[Jillian Panzavale]

How about.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, so you would go on vacation Vacation. So you could have your hair set? Totally every day, you blue haired bitch. But he shouldn't be teaching. Like, what's the difference?

[Jillian Panzavale]

I know. I can't believe we just got a hero harp. That is the most exciting thing I've ever heard in my whole life.

[Patrick Hines]

That's kind of hard to do. I mean, it's super hard. Don't ever do it.

[Jillian Panzavale]

No, I'm saying that based on your rules. I just can't believe we got a hero harp out of you.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. Well, look what Harvey Milk did. It was deserving.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Hey mama, hey mama, look around. Everybody's grooving to a brand new sound. Hey mama, hey mama, follow me. I know something's in you that you want to set free. So let go, don't go off the path. Now say hello to the love in your heart. Yes, I know that the world's spinning fast now you gotta get yourself a break. Brand new start. Hey mama, welcome to the 60s. Hey mama, hey mama, take my hand first let's make a pit stop at the wieners stand. Hey mama, hey mama, take a chance.

[Jillian Panzavale]

Oh, Tracy, it's been years since someone

[Patrick Hines]

asked me to dance. So I go. No, no go. Pass. Now say hello to the light in your eyes. Yes, I know that the world's spinning fast now. But you gotta run the race to win the prize. And mama loves his. Welcome to the rhythm of a brand new day. Your old fashioned fears and just throw them away. You should have some color and a fresh new do. Cause it's time for a star who looks just like you.

[Narrator/Documentary Voice]

Me?

[Patrick Hines]

Don't you let nobody try to steal your fun. Cause a little touch of lipstick never hurt no one. The future's got a million roads for you to choose. But you walk a little taller in some high he'll choose. And once you find a stop it makes you feel. Feel like you. Something fresh, something new. Hey Tracy, hey baby, look at me.

[Jillian Panzavale]

I'm the cutest chicky that you ever get.

[Ann Cronenberg]

See.

[Patrick Hines]

Hey Tracy, hey baby, look at us where we team the toughest and fabulous I let go.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Go, go.

[Patrick Hines]

That's o to let. Notes red coming right.

[Supporting Female Speaker]

Adore.

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[Jillian Panzavale]

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