492: The Curious Case of... Death By Detox?

Summary

True Crime Obsessed Podcast

Episode 492: The Curious Case of... Death By Detox?

Release Date: April 7, 2026
Hosts: Patrick Hines & Jillian Betsavali
Documentary Recapped: The Curious Case of… Death By Detox? (Curious Case Of, Season 2, Episode 1)

---

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the story of Robert Young, an alternative health "guru" who convinced desperate and vulnerable people—many battling terminal illnesses—to undergo dubious detox therapies at astronomical costs. The hosts use their usual blend of humor and skepticism to break down Young's methods, the dangers of health fraud, misrepresentations around so-called miracle cures, and the heartbreaking outcomes for victims and their families. Through the lens of multiple survivor (and victim) stories, Patrick and Jillian critique the media’s role, unregulated wellness industries, and how false hope can be exploited.

---

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Who is Robert Young? (01:16–04:06)

• Robert Young was a well-known figure in the health and wellness world, promoting the Ph Miracle System, which claims the human body is "alkaline by design."
• Hosts note his salesmanship and question where "salesmanship ends and fraud begins."
• Robert Young is presented as a "Nikola Tesla" figure by his followers—though this cultish adoration is quickly deconstructed.

Quote (01:49) – Patrick:

"This is like the teachings of Jesus coming through this man."

---

2. The Desperate Search for Healing (04:15–08:36)

• Stories from Young’s supporters, like one who credits Young with saving his mother-in-law’s life via mysterious “stem cell” procedures, are presented and immediately doubted by the hosts.
• The story of Dessa Ireland, a self-described survivor, highlights dangerous alternative practices.
  • Dessa claims to have cured her precancerous diagnosis through nine days of douching (with essential oils bought at a roadside shop).
  • Hosts express horror and frustration at the spread of misinformation regarding vaginal health.

Quote (07:00) – Patrick:

"Please, I don't want people to hear this and then start putting essential oils up their vagina. Like, you don't do that. You shouldn't be douching at all."

---

3. Media Literacy and the Dangers of Misinformation (08:36–12:34)

• Jillian reminds listeners to get their colonoscopies and shares accurate information about precancerous cells vs. cancer.
• Both hosts repeatedly call out the lack of editorial checks, especially when dangerous narratives are left unchallenged.
• The tendency for alternative healers to attribute routine medical facts (e.g., “eat your veggies, lower your sugar”) as divine or revolutionary wisdom is skewered.

---

4. The Ph Miracle System and the "Green Juice" Cult (13:10–19:08)

• Young’s "science-based" approach boiled down to drinking copious amounts of alkaline water and green juice.
• Hosts poke fun at the idea that removing refined sugars and adding more vegetables is revolutionary.
• The documentary’s apologists are mocked for their almost religious devotion.

Notable Exchange (16:14–16:22):

• Jillian: "How is this revolutionary?"
• Patrick: "Nobody knew about that before 1990. President Obama. Where was Michelle? ...More vegetables, not as much refined sugar. Really?"

---

5. Vulnerable Victims: Personal Stories (23:02–32:00)

• Case Study: Tracy, a woman with incurable stage 4 cancer, is persuaded by Young’s promises. Her family incurs massive debt to get her to the ranch.
• Sandy, Jane, and Vicky’s stories reveal the high cost (financial and health) paid by hopeful families, including suffering, rapid physical decline, and even death after Young’s treatments.

Quote (24:21) – Jillian:

"When you're dying, time is your most precious resource. And when you go to a place like this, not only are they shortening your life, they're taking away the time that you have left and your money."

---

6. The Reality of the Detox "Ranch" (26:46–29:47)

• Dessa describes the ranch as filthy, unsafe, and unsanitary (rat droppings, no running water, a toilet unflushed for months).
• Treatments (mostly colonics, green juice, IV fluids) are performed in dangerous conditions.
• Families are charged $1,900–$2,000 per night, out-of-pocket.

---

7. Harm and Exploitation (31:02–43:03)

• Patients deteriorated rapidly, often suffering painful symptoms unrelated to their original illnesses—some gained over 25 pounds due to fluid overload.
• Host Patrick is especially incensed at the emotional and financial exploitation, and the way Young would psychologically manipulate patients to distrust traditional medicine.

Quote (37:12) – Patrick:

"The only thing you’re allowed to ingest is this fudgeing juice. God knows what’s in it… The money. The bills are endless... The guy says, 'If you go back to traditional medicine, you'll be dead in a week.'"

---

8. The Unmasking: Fake Credentials and Legal Action (47:20–56:31)

• Dolores' daughters compile years of medical records to give to Young, only to realize later that he isn’t actually a doctor.
• Young's undergraduate, master's, and Ph.D. were all obtained in 2.5 years from a diploma mill in Alabama.
• Investigation by Jim Clark (San Diego County) centers on unlicensed IV use—illegal in California except for doctors/nurses.
  • Young split profits with a real doctor for IV scripts, making $500-$1,000 per IV; the doctor took a 40% cut.
• Criminal charges: Practicing medicine without a license, grand theft. Young gets 3 years 8 months, serves only 40 days at first, but receives a further nearly 6 years for later elder abuse/theft (eligible for parole Dec 2027).

Quote (53:04) – Jim Clark:

"During the search warrant of the ranch, we found doctors documentation that had a fee splitting agreement between Robert Young and this doctor for IVs. So at 500 bucks a pop, this doctor was receiving 40%."

---

9. Iconic Moments & Memorable Quotes

• Jillian on the “green juice” obsession (44:21):

  "The last thing she wanted to see after arguing over $14,000 is her mom with that goddamn green juice. So she rips the cup out of her mother’s hand and with every fiber of her being hurled it at the employee. ...I wanted to hurt her. Good for her."

• On vulnerability of patients (24:21):

  "Time is your most precious resource. And when you go to a place like this, not only are they shortening your life, they’re taking away the time that you have left and your money." (Jillian)

• Jillian on common sense medicine (16:19):

  "More vegetables, not as much refined sugar. Really?"

---

Notable Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:16–04:06 | Who is Robert Young? Apologists and Introduction to Ph Miracle System | | 04:15–08:36 | Dangerous Health Misinformation: Dessa's “Cure” Story | | 13:10–19:08 | Ph Miracle System, Alkaline Water, Green Juice | | 23:02–32:00 | Victims: Tracy, Vicky, Mo & Family | | 26:46–29:47 | Ranch Conditions and Exploitation Exposed | | 31:02–39:47 | Suffering, Manipulation, Leaving "the Ranch" | | 47:11–56:31 | Discovery of Fake Credentials, Legal Consequences, Court Cases | | 44:21 | Linda’s Iconic “Green Juice” Toss |

---

The Hosts’ Takeaways

• Alternative therapies exist, but beware unwavering, cult-like devotion or one-size-fits-all miracle cures.
• Question the credentials of anyone offering health “miracles” outside traditional medicine—especially those who charge heavily and discourage real treatment.
• Being desperate for hope doesn’t mean you deserve to be conned.
• The wellness industry is rife with grifters due to lack of regulation.
• Always check a provider’s claims and background—being in a white coat or on TV doesn't make someone a doctor.
• Watch out for the selling of hope disguised as science.

---

Tone, Humor & Final Thoughts

As always, the TCO hosts bring levity, insight, and seriousness to an episode about health fraud, loss, and the dangers of misplaced hope. Their frankness—especially when discussing cancer, medical misinformation, and “detox” scams—is balanced by biting sarcasm, personal anecdotes, and frustration on behalf of victims.

Patrick and Jillian repeatedly remind listeners:
"Please, get your colonoscopy. See a real doctor. Don’t put anything in your body because someone with a diploma mill PhD told you to." (Paraphrased, throughout)

Their signature refrain at the end:

"We did the curious case of Robert Young, death by detox. And get that question mark away from me at the end." (56:42)

---

Further Listening

• Next week: TCO recaps “Dirty Rotten Scandals,” the Dr. Phil exposé—expect a takedown of TV’s most infamous pseudodoc.
• Join the Facebook group or Discord for listener discussions about legitimate alternative medicine and wellness pitfalls.

---

A must-listen episode for anyone curious about detox fads, the dark side of the wellness industry, or who simply enjoys a cathartic, hilarious rant about scammy “doctors” and the power of common sense.

Transcript

[Patrick Hines]

I was served a video today.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

It was Hank Azaria as Agador.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, I've seen this.

[Patrick Hines]

The birdcage is 30 years old.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

I can't even talk about it. But he was wearing his straight looking shirt. So I'm wearing my straight looking shirt because I don't know if it was the one he actually wore in the movie, but it is. And when I saw it today, I was like, you know what? You know what's going to get me through my grief? That the birdcage is 30 years old. I'm going to dress like Hank Isariot. Yes.

[Jillian Betsavali]

All right. Hi. Jillian Betsavali.

[Patrick Hines]

Hello. Patrick Hines, fam.

[Jillian Betsavali]

If you want to connect with us and other listeners outside of your life or whatever, or.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Or make it part of your life.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Make it part of your life, your world, you can join the Facebook group. It's the true crime obsessed podcast discussion group. Lots of people, like 60,000 people in there just hanging out, sharing means talking about the episodes. Yeah, we also have a Discord.

[Beth Caris]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And you kind of do the same thing there. There's channels on the Discord server. And so that's also where we have a channel to like send us AMA questions for when we do AMAs. And we're doing this thing now where we take your questions about, like our cover, like our episodes.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, that was so fun that we did that.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So there's like a whole channel for that. So, you know, we're just hanging out.

[Jillian Betsavali]

So. Yeah, you can find links to both in the show notes. Go, like, meet your fellow TCO fam and just come hang out with us.

[Patrick Hines]

Hang out.

[Jillian Betsavali]

What are we talking about today?

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, that series the Curious Case of is back. So this is season two, episode one. It's called Death by Detox. Question mark.

[Jillian Betsavali]

There are people who have been rock stars in the food health business over the course of decades. And Robert. Robert Young was one of those people.

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

I have discovered that the human organism is alkaline by design.

[Beth Caris]

I was thinking this guy walked on water.

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

Any expert or research scientist always regards him as the Nikola Tesla of our time.

[Patrick Hines]

This is like the teachings of Jesus coming through this man.

[Beth Caris]

Robert Young said he could cure her cancer if she did exactly what he said. Why was everybody getting sicker, not better?

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

You would think, wow, the guy that cures cancer is going to get brought out as a hero.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Robert Young is energized by watching people get better. But where does salesmanship end and fraud begin? All I know is that we've got to Talk about like people's colonics a lot today.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, I have a lot to say about a lot of things in this episode.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I was like barfing so hard.

[Patrick Hines]

There are. I said this last. I don't know what day it is or how many episodes we've recorded in the last week and a half. It seems like 11 or something. But I feel like I just mentioned that we were going to be dropping these in the Curious case. There are better episodes. Episodes than this. And they like. Beth Caris is. Is more vocal about correcting the record. And I'm surprised I didn't see her as much here in this episode.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Harris who you know, I love it.

[Patrick Hines]

An interesting first episode of the second season is what I'm saying.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, this is the first one. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Beth Carris does feel like she's phoning it in a little bit for this

[Patrick Hines]

one and, you know, we'll get into it.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, we're in Lynn Valley, Kansas. We meet some guy whose name we get later, but he's here to be an apologist for like the asshole in this thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And he's basically saying that Robert Young, the guy that we're about to spend the next hour talking about his. This Robert Young guy saved his mother in law. And like the mother in law had become completely septic. Admitted to the ICU she was going to die. And he asked Robert what to do.

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

She basically gave her what is identical to healthy blood and forced stem cell production. Fifteen minutes later, she started murmuring. And within six hours, my mother in law was awake, aware, conscious. She was dead on every level, man. And she's still alive now because of Dr. Robert Young.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And it like saved her life. Which stem cells do that? Sure, we know that. Like, I don't know much about stem cells. I know some people who have had very good experiences with stem cells.

[Patrick Hines]

Great.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I wish we knew what this Robert Young's specialty was.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Jillian Betsavali]

People are going to him for everything.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's weird because we never hear about the stem cell stuff again. It's only the green juice.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's weird that this guy. But this guy like thinks this Robert guy is his best friend and he'll come back later.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Like, he's like, he's here to be an apologist.

[Patrick Hines]

Snake oil salesman himself.

[Jillian Betsavali]

100%.

[Patrick Hines]

We need to talk about Dessa Ireland. She's an energy healer now. She says energies correspond with our organs. When our organs are functioning, everything else is functioning. Like, okay, but those are two different thoughts. Like organs Run on more than just vibes 100%. And like, to be clear, I'm not. I've been to energy healers. I get it. You know what I mean? Like, believe what you want to believe. I'm just saying we have to, like, be real about our organs.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And also, like, Dessa is saging the room and, like, doing a gong before she starts to. Like, she's, like, setting the intention for

[Patrick Hines]

her interview, which I like. Look, she's going to talk about very intimate stuff. I get it. I have no problem with that. I understand what she's doing. I believe in it. Fine. But, like, there are a lot of things that she's going to say coming up that I. I cannot even believe that Beth Karras hasn't jumped in and corrected the record.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know. I just like. I'm sorry. I'm just going to say, like, to bring your own sage to a set feels like a lot to me.

[Patrick Hines]

I think it's her place, right?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, I get. But, like, there's people there.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, that's why she's. She's clear on that energy.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I don't like Dessa. I'm just gonna say it. I'm not into her. I feel like if I met Dessa at a party, she'd be the. The person I would politely have to excuse myself from talking to.

[Patrick Hines]

I have a lot of issues with her because she's also misrepresenting what happened to her. So.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Desa's story is when I was in

[Dessa Ireland]

my 30s, I was diagnosed with pre cancerous cells, and they wanted to start radiation right away. Well, I absolutely knew that that was not my path. I. I went on a road trip with my sister, and I walk into a beauty supply, and there was some oils that you could get for curing cancer.

[Patrick Hines]

So instead, she takes a road trip with her sister and stops at some beauty supply store on the side of the road for some essential oils that are gonna cure her cancer.

[Jillian Betsavali]

What she, like, fully believes in. And she tells us this, like, very personal, very intimate story about douching with these essential oils.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Look, I'm. People must have to do this if.

[Patrick Hines]

No, no, no, no. Okay, so precancerous are on her labia. Okay, I know I'm not a doctor, but I've had a vagina my entire life. You should not be douching. Douching. It's the vagina self cleaning. She's good. You don't. You should not be douching. Any doctor on the planet will Be like, well, maybe not. Well, this guy's not a doctor. So yeah, a real doctor would be like, no, don't do that. You should not be douching at all. You should not be douching every single day. And you should definitely not be douching with the essential oils you just bought on the side of the road, like

[Jillian Betsavali]

at a gas station.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, it, like, obviously, like, yes, she's self cleaning. You're not 100% off the hook. You have to make sure on your, your daily routine. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I do. We've. We learned a lot about this. We've got a little girl, but like,

[Patrick Hines]

the way that she said. And I think it's ridiculous that Beth Karras hasn't jumped in and been like, hold on a second.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Because what this woman is, is she's spewing this misinformation. It's blatant misinformation. Like, please, I don't want people to hear this.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

And then start putting essential oils up their vagina. Like, you don't do that. You shouldn't be douching at all. I can't believe they still sell them at CVS or whatever if they do. Like, please don't do this. Please, please, please.

[Jillian Betsavali]

She also has some story about process of doing this.

[Dessa Ireland]

So in the ninth day of my douching, I was in the shower standing, and literally a black blob like the size of a softball fell out.

[Patrick Hines]

I heard it splash.

[Dessa Ireland]

I saw it. But when I looked down in the shower, there was nothing. And I heard, you are cured.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And then she hears somebody say to her, like, you're cured or something.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, so the blob is invisible, but then the visible black blob spoke to you.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right. And cured your cancer.

[Patrick Hines]

And she's been douching for nine days with these essential oils. And like, I just, I'm not trying to be a dick, but this isn't about energy healing anymore. Like, this is. We're into the dangerous territory. Like, this is not. And I don't know what actually happened, but what she says is that she goes back to the doctor and she's cancer free. Dessa, you were always cancer free. You never had cancer. They were pre cancerous cells. So she's sort of talking about as if like, it cured her cancer.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But according to the American Cancer Society, precancerous cells are abnormal cells.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It says the next sentence is, the cells are not cancer.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

They show changes that raise the risk of turning into cancer. So she never had cancer in the first place. So to say that this cured her cancer and she's now cancer free like Desa, that's not cool. And Beth, like, where are you, girl?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, I don't think Beth Caris was like shown the dailies. Why do we come to her for Beth Carris?

[Patrick Hines]

Because I've seen her do better in other episodes.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So I'm surprised that she's not like, like she talks about we have to sit and listen to her skincare routine.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Beth Caris is.

[Patrick Hines]

And what works and what works for her. But yet, yeah, I was like, Beth,

[Jillian Betsavali]

I actually want to also take this opportunity to remind everybody that I am getting a colonoscopy in April. And I want everybody, this is your reminder to get your colonoscopy. And I actually was just sitting down with my doctor to talk about like what can be found in a colon and then the precancerous cells. I haven't had mine yet. So who knows?

[Patrick Hines]

Who knows?

[Jillian Betsavali]

But. Right. And it was explained to me the exact same thing. They are not cancer. They are pre cancerous cells.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just a D kind of thing. And like, what's the black.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No, I think you've done a real service here. I think this is like very valuable information that you're sharing.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, please don't put foreign. You know what I'm saying?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But at the same time, like, I don't know what this black blob was. I think she might. That might have maybe made it up a little bit.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Girl. Drip Drop is back. It's summertime. It is time to really up that hydration.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So Drip drop is doctor developed proven fast hydration which we need for like the heat and also just for surviving because like I always get headaches when I'm doing dehydrated.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

For that.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No. Listen, dehydration like manifests in like feeling sleepy, getting headaches. Drip Drop is my go to fix for that.

[Patrick Hines]

And Drip drop uses science based formulas for rapid hydration so you feel results fast while getting three times the electrolytes of leading sports drinks.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And over 90% of top collagen pro sports teams use them.

[Jillian Betsavali]

That really speaks to me. And get this fam. Drip drop just dropped zero sugar plus, which is a breakthrough formula with an advanced blend of six key electrolytes, 15 essential vitamins and nutrients, and no sugar or artificial sweeteners. And they're so delicious.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And they have 16 original flavors and the eight zero sugar plus option.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I am you know, I'm like a citrus girl. Yes to these things. I like the orange. I like the lemon. The lime.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Give me the lemon lime. All day, every day. I start my day with it. Every single day.

[Patrick Hines]

Delish.

[Jillian Betsavali]

So, fam. Right now, Drip drop is offering TCO listeners 20% off. Your first order, go to drip drop.com and use promo code TCO.

[Patrick Hines]

That's dripjop.com, promo code TCO.

[Jillian Betsavali]

For 20% off, stock up [e-mail] and use promo code TCo.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, I didn't want to say anything, but. Tis the season.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Tis the season. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry, girl. So Dessa's story. In 2011, she moved to California. She said she saw a job posting for a housekeeping position for an alternative healing center.

[Dessa Ireland]

So I responded to the ad. When I arrived and saw the estate, I asked the manager what went on here. And she told me it was the Ph Miracle System.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And she learns that this estate is for a thing called Ph Miracle System, which is obvious.

[Patrick Hines]

What a stupid name. Obviously. Bullshit.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's the Patrick Hines Miracle System. Welcome to my estate.

[Patrick Hines]

I'd be like, no, we can't do this.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No, Listen, it's been 47 years. I found the shit that worked for me. I'm keeping it to myself.

[Patrick Hines]

Are you kidding me?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

So Beth Karras is here. A bit too late, but welcome.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm not coming hard for her. I just want to say I love you.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And I know you're joking, but like, I, I, I don't think that best Charis like gets to choose when what questions she gets.

[Patrick Hines]

It's true. Maybe I've just watched too many episodes of this.

[Dessa Ireland]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Much.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, but, but the truth of the matter is I feel, I feel your frustration in having really important information that needs to be shared. And like, more people are going to watch this documentary than are going to hear this episode probably. And they're going to miss the important shit that you said.

[Patrick Hines]

And we're kind of in a state of the world where like, you know, all media literacy and reading comprehension is kind of at an all time low. And I feel like people are going to watch this and be like, oh, shit, like I can. Funny.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's funny because I just had the conversation with my doctor about pre cancerous cells and it didn't even occur to me when, I mean, I think Des is full of shit. So like, I wasn't really caring a whole lot what she had to say anyway. But so maybe I was only half paying attention, but I was like, I don't like this whole thing sounds crazy to me.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And I just don't like the misrepresentation of the like. And then I was cancer free. But you always, but you always were. And I'm not like, if you have pre cancer, like, focus on them, do what you have to do. I'm not saying ignore them and they're nothing but like, words matter because if

[Jillian Betsavali]

it didn't develop into cancer, that'. Fantastic. But that means that you were always cancer free.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Jillian Betsavali]

This is. What's that thing? Oh God, I'm going to forget the thing where. What's that thing where like women explain something and the men re. Explain it as though they came about mansplaining? No, there's like a word for it where it's like a woman explains something and then like the man in the meeting, like, says it like with but changes one word and pretends that he came up with it.

[Patrick Hines]

I always know that it's mansplaining.

[Jillian Betsavali]

But my point is I'm. All I'm doing is parroting what you're saying. Yes. I have no fresh ideas here. No one thinks that you're like trying to steal inside.

[Patrick Hines]

No. Like, we can't argue who has the vagina here.

[Jillian Betsavali]

One million, right? Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Ask any doctor. They'll agree.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So she, like, Beth tells us what this like system is in air quotes.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I grew up in the 90s. I have never heard of this.

[Patrick Hines]

No. This guy is a picture with President Obama. I'm like, what? I know, like shaking hands. Like, I know have been in some other thing. They definitely aren't like buddy, buddy. No, but he was in the Oval Office for sure.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Like they, they basically tell us the

[Jim Clark]

ph Miracle system is a dietary and lifestyle program developed by Dr. Robert. You know alkaline water, You've all seen it in the supermarket. Well, that's popular in part because of Robert Young. He promotes what he says is a science based approach to diet.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Apparently he made alkaline water popular. Apparently we're supposed to know what that is.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like Smart water.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's just like water with salt in it.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like the, but like the brand Smart Water that you see.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I love Smart water. But that's like electrolytes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I don't, I don't know.

[Patrick Hines]

It just feels like water's good as it.

[Jillian Betsavali]

More we talk about this, the less we have to talk about the colonics. Which is really what I'm going for.

[Patrick Hines]

So this is where we meet Matthew again, the apologist from the top. And he's like, robert Young is my best friend and mentor. And I'm like, matt, you're in this way too deep. I would love to know how Robert Young describes you, if he even remembers you at all. I really don't think that he's going to be like, oh, my best friend Maddie. Like, no.

[Jillian Betsavali]

He's also trying to compare himself. He says he met Dr. Young because he was working on a project that was supposed to remove the environmental pollution that was affecting everybody's health. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I also love how he says supposed to. It was supposed to. Like, it clearly did. It clearly, didn't we?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Plenty of toxins. Matt, you did not do a good job.

[Patrick Hines]

He was like, it's just minerals and water in an oil. And I'm like, right?

[Jillian Betsavali]

And yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So he. Matt is going to tell us the Robert Young story. So please take this with grains of salt, please.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Grains of alkaline. Can we just call it alkaline?

[Patrick Hines]

This guy's not going to be objective.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

So he's from Utah and is a, quote, healthy skeptic. We also get him on the phone from prison, by the way.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. On the phone from prison, talking to Beth Caris, who basically is just, like, exasperated to be talking.

[Patrick Hines]

She hates something. But he's like, I. You know, he was a healthy skeptic who was taught from a very young age to critically think things through and

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

to let your food be your medicine and your medicine be your food. He's never drank alcohol, never smoked cigarettes. He eats raw, natural foods, not processed foods. And that is directly related to his Mormon upbringing.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Good for you for, like, having, like, eating all, like, the healthy shit and never drinking. Like, good for you. Like, that's great, but, like, like, can we all lighten up a little fucking bit?

[Patrick Hines]

But also, this isn't a hot take. Beth Kara says that, like, his whole belief system is that a diet with a lot of alkaline foods, vegetables.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And not a lot of refined sugar is healthy. And I'm like, no, shit.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know. Like, how is this. He invented that.

[Patrick Hines]

How is this revolutionary?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Nobody knew about that before 1990. President Obama. Where was Michelle? Michelle, you're the ones who look at guy, like, the calories on the menus.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So this revolutionary thought I know is more vegetables, not as much refined sugar. Really?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. I also love, too, that we hear him on the phone from prison talking about how, like, he should have been a firefighter because he wouldn't run toward. He'd be running towards the fire. Not. Shut up.

[Patrick Hines]

No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Not. No chance.

[Patrick Hines]

So we meet 90 year old Antonia Adele Hoffman and her daughter Lynn.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They're pretty insufferable.

[Patrick Hines]

They're awful. But I got to tell you, regardless of what I believe, this woman looks great for 90.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And let me tell you, too, Antonia says she's the older 1. She's 90, she said.

[Patrick Hines]

I tried Weight Watchers, Atkins diet, the banana diet, fasting, the grapefruit diet, whatever diet was out there.

[Dessa Ireland]

I tried it.

[Patrick Hines]

And once I was introduced to Robert Young's program, oh, my God, I experienced a miracle.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Let me tell you, the struggle to not be overweight is real.

[Patrick Hines]

I hear that.

[Jillian Betsavali]

The whole obesity epidemic, which I suffered from my entire life, like, and I did the same. I did the Weight Watchers, I did Atkins. Excuse me.

[Patrick Hines]

I think she called it Weight Watches.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Weight watches. I did the no carb diets. I did the south beach diet.

[Patrick Hines]

No fun, no carbs, no fun.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And. And let me tell you that, like, when you do a diet like that and it works for a minute and then it doesn't, or it doesn't work at all, you hate yourself. Like, being overweight, if you don't want to be overweight is very, very, very hard.

[Patrick Hines]

Sure.

[Jillian Betsavali]

All I'm saying is, Antonia, I see you. I'm very, very glad for you, Antonia, that you are, like, feeling healthy. You're jumping on a trampoline. You're 90. You look like you're having a blast over there. That's great. But the problem, and Beth Karas is gonna say this later, is that people are going to this doctor for obesity stuff, but they're going to him for cancer stuff, too. So it's like. And he's got a one size fits all approach to this.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So they started drinking the green juice. The green juice is what's going to cure everything from your weight to the tumors you have, but they're also not caring about calories.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, because she's saying, like, the great thing about these green juices is I could drink as much of it as I want, not have to count calories. And I was like, that sounds awful.

[Patrick Hines]

And then she's also saying that God is guiding the way. And. And, like, what he says is the word of God. And I'm like, I don't. I can't listen to you anymore.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

What, what is there to say?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know, I know, I know. And so we learn that Dr. Young. I'm calling him doctor. I hate.

[Patrick Hines]

Don't, Don't. Why he's.

[Jillian Betsavali]

What's his first name?

[Patrick Hines]

I just call him Robert Young.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Robert Young. That's because we're going to learn later. Guess what? He's not a real doctor.

[Patrick Hines]

You think?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Real revolutionary. More veggies, less sugar, and guess what? This guy's not a doctor. All shocking things apparently about it, though,

[Jillian Betsavali]

is how easily you can fake it. Like everybody else thought he was a real doctor.

[Patrick Hines]

Because when people are in a situation where they've tried everything and you're selling them this miracle drug, you can take advantage of people here. And that's what these people do. And Beth Caris wants us to know she had a thyroid issue that she solved through diet and exercise.

[Jim Clark]

She's like, before taking traditional medicine, let me try a few things out. And I went to a nutritionist and kind of rebuilt my thyroid, and I'm 100% normal and have been for the last few years. I did it through diet and supplements, but I wouldn't hesitate to get traditional treatment if I needed it.

[Patrick Hines]

It. She would not hesitate to get traditional treatment if needed. That's the answer, right? In my view, like, 100%, like health care in this country is a fucking scam. I understand you try other things. I totally get it. I'm supportive of that to a point. But you also, like, these people, like, essential oils are probably not going to cure your cancer. Everybody. And we need to talk about that because these people are taking advantage of you. You want help. You don't feel well and you want help. And here is this guy going to come in. Do you honestly think, like, chemo's not fucking fun, right? You're putting poison in you. Do you really think that there's a miracle green juice that the entire medical industry is hiding from you?

[Jillian Betsavali]

And that's the thing, is that, like, when these people go to this place where he is and he's giving them this green juice and then these, like, IV infusions and they're losing weight or they're gaining weight because of the saline in the water and they're not getting better and they want to leave, they get talked out of it, right?

[Patrick Hines]

You know, you think that if you. I just don't understand that you would think or he's what he wants people to think that, like, my doctor could give me this green juice, but he injecting me with poison instead, and I'm going through chemo and feeling sick all the time. Like for fun.

[Jillian Betsavali]

That's what's part of the sadness of this here is that like these people are brainwashed into believing that they found the miracle cure. They're the lucky ones that are going to live. They're the lucky ones that found this doctor that nobody else knew about. So like it's all, I mean it's, it's, it's a cult and you have

[Patrick Hines]

to be careful because not all alternative medicine people but like the industry is full of scammers.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

For this reason. And just be careful.

[Jillian Betsavali]

That whole diet, diet supplement industry is not very heavily regulated. That's the other part, 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

So like get your alternative medicine do. I know. I understand. But like there are alternative medicines that are legit.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

This guy's not.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No girl. Helix is back. I know I sound like a broken record, but I really think about recording these ads every night when I get into bed because it is honestly the mo. I love my bed so much. It is so comfy. It's the absolute perfect way to end the day. And fam. I swear to God, I'm not just

[Patrick Hines]

saying Matt, it's true. It's a great way to end the day and start the day. You know what I mean? I love the Midnight Luxe. That's the mattress Mike and I have been using for years. And it works because also like I used to toss and turn a lot. I can't tell you if I'm like a back sleeper, a side sleeper, whatever. I'm an everything sleeper and I kind of sleep hot.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And Helix, the Midnight Lux really helped me.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And the thing is, you don't have to guess. Helix has this two minute sleep quiz. The two minute part is like the most important part. You go in and ask you a couple questions and then it suggests the mattress for you. They send it right to your door. Free shipping, seamless delivery. You get 120 night sleep trial with a limited lifetime warranty. Like there's no. If you're in the market for a new mattress, there is no reason not to give Helix a try.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm not seeing a single reason why.

[Jillian Betsavali]

You know what I mean? Like we've both been screaming about it for years and we wouldn't be doing that if we didn't. I think about recording these ads every night and I'm always like, I know it sounds like I'm full of it, but I swear to God I mean it.

[Patrick Hines]

And you might think like, well, I don't know, do I need a new mattress that's kind of Like a big purchase. I'm just saying it's not just about treating yourself. It's about like having good sleep and

[Jillian Betsavali]

investing in you'll have it forever.

[Patrick Hines]

That's the word I was looking for.

[Jillian Betsavali]

So, fam go to helixsleep.com TCO for 20% off site wide.

[Patrick Hines]

That's helixleep.com TCO for 20% off site wide.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Helix sleep.com TCO go to bed.

[Patrick Hines]

Get into it. Go to bed.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Go to bed.

[Patrick Hines]

Have some water. Go to bed. So let's go to Preston, Idaho in 2010. Jane is here with her horses. No names for the horses, unfortunately.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh no, no. Well, she's going to tell us about Tracy, her sister in law.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Betsavali]

So T.R. she was a single mom. She went to school to be an environmental engineer.

[Patrick Hines]

My God.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know. In her last semester in school she was diagnosed with a very serious form of cancer of the soft tissue.

[Beth Caris]

She was a stage four case. And this is an incurable cancer. They said we could operate, take out the tumors, but inevitably this will take you.

[Jillian Betsavali]

But inevitably they say this is going to take you. So it's, it's that kind of thing where it's like, like. But maybe there's this one treatment you've never heard of. And I think too that like Dr. Robert Young would say, like, it's not that it's not available to everybody, it's just that most people don't believe in it.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Or you're told not to or it's kept from you or whatever.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And like someone tells, oh, and we're

[Jillian Betsavali]

gonna get that at the end of this thing that like cancer is like the number one selling, you know, it's what keeps the medical industry alive. So of course you're gonna oppress and suppress people like Robert Young who have the answer.

[Patrick Hines]

It's really cruel to prey on scared and they don't feel well and they just want to fudgeing live and have a good life. And to prey on them in this way, it's like unconscionable because one of

[Jillian Betsavali]

the other like survivors or one of the family members says later too, is that when you're dying, time is your most precious resource. And when you go to a place like this, not only are they shortening your life, they're taking away the time that you have left and your money. And your money.

[Patrick Hines]

So someone tells Tracy's mom about Robert Young and they were at the ranch two days later and this guy is like promising to cure the cancer.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They do this thing where they said that he takes her blood, puts it under a microscope, and says he can see mold, Candida fungus, and he can see the cancer.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a lie.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's a lie.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a complete lie.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's like when you're sitting in that chair next to him, looking at your blood, and you're like, I see it too. Like, can you fix it? And he says, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So we're back with Dessa because now it's the summer of 2010 at the ranch or the center or whatever. And she explains, like, yeah, it looks beautiful in the brochure, but it's all smoke and mirrors. And I'm like, really?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Don't say the ranch is just his house.

[Dessa Ireland]

These people were looking at the brochure of his home, his pool, his water walkway to his massive, beautiful estate doors. Not the mobile trailer. That was also the colonics room, mind you. I think he was charging $1,900 a night.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, all of the treatments were done outside, and he's charging, like, $2,000 a day. And guess what, everybody? Insurance doesn't pay for this. That is on you.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes. And like, that' thing, like, in order for, like, Tracy's family to get here, like, get her there the next day, you have to be loaded, right?

[Patrick Hines]

You know, this guy's like, so.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Or willing to sell your house or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

Willing to pay the money. So you're desperate. You're scared. If you have money, great. If you don't, you'll get it. And, like, that's what he's praying on.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I mean, I remember, like, when I had a cat, and, like, my cat got sick. I'm like, I will sell an. To, like, to fix whatever this cat needs. Like, imagine it's your mom.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And then you. You're feeling like. Well, I'm not an expert. I don't know. This guy has this. And he's telling me, like, okay.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And the thing is, you want to believe it so badly. You're not asking for that. Like, the receipts, like, show me. Put me in touch with the five people you cured of this. This soft tissue cancer.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Because all you're thinking about is all of the. The long list of things that didn't work.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. And he's probably. I bet the answer on the other end of the line is, well, we've got one bed available right now. One just opened up today. It'll be gone by tomorrow. So if you want to get on

[Patrick Hines]

a plane, if you want to save your mom's life.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Then we gotta go.

[Jillian Betsavali]

You're so lucky. Like, the last person just canceled.

[Patrick Hines]

And we need a deposit before we do anything else. Yes, immediately.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Immediately.

[Patrick Hines]

So also, the place was filthy.

[Dessa Ireland]

One of the rooms was their family rv. And before somebody checked in, I would always go in and do a pre check. And when I opened up the oven, there were 2. 2 inches of rat droppings in the bottom of this oven.

[Jillian Betsavali]

She is, like, going into the quarters where these very, very, very sick patients are gonna be staying. It smells like shit. She opens the oven, and it's full of rat poop.

[Patrick Hines]

Oven.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Oven.

[Jillian Betsavali]

The oven in the rv.

[Patrick Hines]

And also, there was, like, no running water, and this guy wasn't flushing his toilet for months.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. She describes this man's personal bathroom as like a porta Potty.

[Patrick Hines]

So let me just say something. This. Not only is this disgusting and not sterile, but it's also not healthy. Like, you think refined sugar is bad for you? How about inhaling feces for months on end?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

That's not good for you either.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, no.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you know what it. That'll make you sick too.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes. Yes. Like, this whole ranch or whatever is built around giving you the green juice that makes you shit and then giving you colonics. Like, that's what you're there for to,

[Patrick Hines]

like, get the cancer or whatever it is out of you or the weight or whatever it is that you're there for.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, and, like, there's no running water at this guy's house, and he's just pooping on his own poop, like, day after day after day.

[Patrick Hines]

What were we just talking about? Oh, the Rocky Mountain mortician thing where it's like, then where's the money going? Yeah, you're getting. So you're getting people to pay $2,000 a day. Could you call a fudgeing plumber and turn the water on?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know what's going on. Where is the money going?

[Patrick Hines]

What is happening? So Dessa was there Monday through Friday, and then she just tells us, and she gives us no details, so don't ask.

[Jillian Betsavali]

She gives us all the wrong details.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, there was a sick person there, as she said, that she had a relationship with, and he was dying. And I'm like, dusta, what kind of.

[Jillian Betsavali]

What does that mean, relationship?

[Patrick Hines]

Were you having this person?

[Jillian Betsavali]

And then she says, they put this

[Dessa Ireland]

client in the back of the Suburban. Not the back seat, the back of the Suburban and took him to Orange county to a hospital so that he did not die at the ranch. They did not want that on their Property.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They drove him to a local county hospital so he wouldn't die on the ranch. And she goes into his room because, remember, she's like, the house cleaner. This man. There's. There's no easy way to say this. He's been drinking the green juice all weekend. He. All over his bed, the floor. She said there was a trail leading to the bathroom, that if it were blood, it would look like a murder scene.

[Patrick Hines]

It was just his body was rejecting it in every way possible. And it. Like, it just. And this is when Dessa, thank God for all of her faults.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Is like, I'm quitting. And going. No contact immediately. And she walked out and never. Has never spoken to this Robert person.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Be so excited to sit down for this documentary. Let me tell you every.

[Patrick Hines]

But I wonder, Desa, if any other phone call was made. Was the only phone call made, the phone call of Beth Caris in this documentary being like, do you want to talk about it, or did you say someone's got to look at what's going on because people are dying?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. Be a whistleblower.

[Patrick Hines]

They're dying violent, horrifying deaths. Imagine thinking that everything's. First of all, you haven't eaten in weeks. No solid food. And then you're. You're just like, think about the worst food poisoning you've ever had.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And then multiply it by a million. Like, these people. People are just suffering.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And you have cancer. You know what I mean? Like, and. And, like, untreated at this point. Cancer.

[Patrick Hines]

And it stinks. And the guy's wearing his Mormon underwear. It's like, enough.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

So Jim Clark is here. He's an investigator with the San Diego county office, and he tells us a story about this woman who was at the ranch, or whatever you want to call it, with stage four pancreatic cancer, which is, like, a very bad diagnosis. Diagnosis.

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

So she comes to the ranch, and Robert Young starts pumping her full of fluids. One day on the ranch, the woman suddenly died. However, I believe she didn't die from pancreatic cancer. I think she died from congestive heart failure from being pumped with too much fluid.

[Jillian Betsavali]

She died of congenitive heart failure because of all of, like, the. That they were putting in her body.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, she was pumped with two. Too much fluid.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Like, alkaline, like, salt fluid. Like, we're going to hear from other family members that, like, their parents go there and, like, come back A week later, 25 pounds heavier from all of the water that they've retained that this

[Patrick Hines]

man's Been giving yet they're weaker because they're not actually getting treatment for anything or, like, sustenance in any way.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So let's talk to Mo. Mo is so great.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Love him.

[Patrick Hines]

He's 80, but he doesn't feel that way.

[Jillian Betsavali]

He says, chronologically, I'm an old fart. He looks great. We see him in his sauna. We see him working out. This guy is 80 and, like, he's fit as a fiddle.

[Patrick Hines]

Age is just a number to Mo. Yeah. So Vicky is his wife, and she was also diagnosed with stage four cancer. And she hears about Robert Young and this ranch, and she is one of those people. She's been through a lot. She's tried everything. She's scared.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And like, he promises her on day one, I can absolutely cure you.

[Patrick Hines]

He says your body will heal itself. The only thing you have to do is push aside all traditional medicine. That is a major red flag.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. And, like, follow my protocol to the letter.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, his protocol is just existing because his protocols are respiration, defecation, urination, perspiration.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Those are going to get rid of the toxins. First of all, everyone does those things in a single day. It's not. It's not even an idea. It's just literally what happens best. We're doing two out of the four right now.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, well, I'm doing three, but I'll let you guess.

[Patrick Hines]

What are you sweating? What are the other ones?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Beth Carris looks at the camera. She's like, are you fudgeing kidding me? Yeah, like you're selling. This is like. This is. This is your genius cure all for literally everything.

[Patrick Hines]

And again, you're being told to ignore traditional medicine. Yeah, because they. They're. They're all. It's all a big part. It's all a big part of the lie. They're keeping this from you.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And, like, the program.

[Beth Caris]

She says a lot of his program was based on colonics, lymph massages, green juices, alkalined water, and you get really, really sick. And Tracy did. According to Dr. Robert Young, she was detoxing from all the acid in her body.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Lymph massages, like the neck.

[Patrick Hines]

He's killing these people. Yes, he's killing them.

[Jillian Betsavali]

But I guess my question is, does he believe it? Does he believe it? Or is this 100% just a gr.

[Patrick Hines]

I think it's a grift. I do. Because there's nothing here that tells me otherwise. It's not like he used to be a great doctor and now he's doing this like he was just a scammer

[Jillian Betsavali]

from the beginning because, like, show me the one person you cured cancer of.

[Patrick Hines]

Where is everybody?

[Jillian Betsavali]

One person who had stage four cancer and is still alive 20 years later.

[Patrick Hines]

The only person who's been cured of anything is Dessa.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And it wasn't him.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And she didn't even have anything in the first place.

[Patrick Hines]

And she didn't even have cancer.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Girl. Ritual is back. Look, it's not easy to always stick with like the healthy eating and the like, making sure you're getting all the key nutrients. That's where ritual always comes in.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So Ritual essential for women 18/ multi contains nine key nutrients and two delayed release capsules designed for optimal absorption per day.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And here's the thing, we always scream about this, you know, we love the science. And Ritual conducted a university led clinical trial for their essential for women 18 plus multivitamins to test its efficacy. And do you want to know what happened? You want to know what they found?

[Patrick Hines]

I'd love to.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It increased vitamin D levels by 43%. Omega 3 DHA levels by 41% in just 12 weeks.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And I gotta tell you, that minty fresh essence is minting.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes, I know.

[Patrick Hines]

It's almost like a breath mint.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Breath mint slash multivitamin. I'm in.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Who doesn't want to start their day like that?

[Patrick Hines]

Love, love, love.

[Jillian Betsavali]

So, fam, instead of striving for perfect health, aim for supporting foundational health.

[Patrick Hines]

Save 25% on your first month at

[Jillian Betsavali]

ritual.com TCO that's ritual.com TCO for 25% off your first month. Month.

[Patrick Hines]

Love it, girl.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Earn in his back. And fam, all you need to know is that Earn in is about you getting the money that you've already earned when you want it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. You can get up to $150 a day with a max of $1,000 between paydays. And like, it's not alone. This is just access to your money.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And that's why there's no interest, no credit checks and no mandatory fees. Earn in makes their money on optional tips and optional fees for features like lightning speed, which gets you your money in minutes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, but there's always a no cost option to make financial momentum accessible to as many people as possible. That's their whole point.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. So if you want your money when you want it, because you've earned it and you should be able to get it when you want to get earning, you can download Earn in on the App Store or Google Play.

[Patrick Hines]

It's felt like earning money without the

[Jillian Betsavali]

G type in True Crime Obsessed under podcast. When you sign up, it'll really help the show.

[Patrick Hines]

Here are some mandatory disclaimers.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Tell them, give it to them.

[Patrick Hines]

1. Earn it is a financial technology company, not a bank to access. Limits are based on your earnings and risk factors. Standard cash outs take one to two business days with no mandatory fees. 3. Expedited transfers available for a fee. Tips are voluntary and don't affect the

[Jillian Betsavali]

service given the last one.

[Patrick Hines]

Last one for available in select states. Terms and restrictions apply. Visit earn in.com for full details.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well done.

[Patrick Hines]

So Vicki, Mo's wife, because the only thing you're allowed to ingest is this fudgeing juice. God knows what's in it. So Vicki, Mo's wife is like, hi, it's been several days. I'd love some solid food. Like, she wants a sandwich. The guy says no. He's like, that'll be. That would be the worst thing for you. And so Mo, her husband's like, I'm sorry, what am I paying you for? Liquefied lettuce.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, what is the point of this? Like, the money. The bills are endless and my wife is not feeling well and she's getting worse and you're like denying her solid food.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, yeah. And we're back with Jane, who is Tracy's sister in law and she's, she's talking about now how expensive it's getting. The bills are totally piling up. First of all, like, the husband isn't here, the sister in law is. Whatever. I know, but like, Jane offers to offset the bills by working in, which is kind of amazing because it gives us a peek behind the curtain here a little bit.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, another thing that won't shock anybody is that this guy had his own secret stash.

[Beth Caris]

When you go into the kitchen, there was four fridges there. And the fourth fridge was where he stored his secret stash of his eclairs and donuts and sandwiches. He would buy sandwiches and then eat them later in the day when we were kind of all settling all the

[Patrick Hines]

stuff you're not allowed to eat, not even like vegetables, like just everything else. And he's got his own secret stash.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Can you imagine?

[Patrick Hines]

No. So, like, Vicky is getting sicker, Mo is getting pissed. The bills are piling up, they want out. And they're like, you know what? We're going back to traditional medicine. Like, this is not helping anything. And this piece of shit looks at them and goes, oh, yeah, you do that, you'll be dead in a week.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I mean, it's just. It's crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

It's also a red flag. Don't let anyone tell you what treatment. You know what I'm saying?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. I mean, but they don't listen to him. Like, they leave, they travel, and, like, for a little while, like, things are going okay for them and we.

[Patrick Hines]

We learn, or Mo has learned after the fact that he was actually injecting his. His wife Vicky with baking soda.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And Beth is like, baking soda. Like, is it terrible for you? Not really. But, like, it really depends on the content. Either way. It's not.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Do anything.

[Patrick Hines]

Curing cancer.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So Vicky goes back to traditional medicine and things are, like, okay for a little bit. For, like, three years. She's better than she was. We'll say that.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And then she dies in February 2013. She. She dies. And Mo says, like, I was very sad, but I was very glad to know that she wasn't in pain anymore.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And he says, like, maybe I could have had more time with her. Because he maintains, Mo maintains that this Robert Young guy shortened her life for sure.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No question.

[Patrick Hines]

Who knows what could have happened if

[Jillian Betsavali]

she and, like, then tortured her for however long it was.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Like psychological warfare of, like, depriving her of real food and making her, like.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I'm sorry. If you have stage four cancer and you're in the end your life, have every sandwich, savor every moment, do every last thing you ever wanted to do.

[Patrick Hines]

It's ridiculous.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's ridiculous.

[Patrick Hines]

And it's also not going to make your cancer worse, I don't think. Again, I'm not a doctor.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

But, like, I feel like it's.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Sandwich, it's fine.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Jillian Betsavali]

You know what I mean? I was. Steve and I have this, like, thing that we were. We were listening to a podcast about. This is a little bit dark, but it's also a little bit funny. There's an end of life nurse who was talking on this podcast and was saying that, like, if. If you live in a state where you can't choose to die, the way that their patients will die is, like, to essentially starve them. It's like, just like, get off all the food. And she was discussing this with one of the patients, and he says to her, are you telling me I would have to give up my bourbon? And she goes, I mean, I think it's the last thing you should give up.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. What are we doing here?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

What about, like, compassion and empathy and, like, where's the human factor?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I know, in this, but literally. But literally, you know, you know who I think are like some of the biggest heroes out there are the hospice care nurs.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh God.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I follow this hospice care nurse Jackie on, on Instagram Jackie. Is it Vicky or hospice nurse Vicki? Maybe it's hospice. No, I think it is hospice nurse. I'm sure many of you know who she is.

[Patrick Hines]

Many of you out there named Jackie. I'm just saying, totally just saying.

[Jillian Betsavali]

But like I love her and she will always talk about like she's just really honest and tells interesting stories about people at the end of their lives and yeah, it's. Anyway, these people who do like the actual health care are the heroes.

[Patrick Hines]

Right? Because you're still a human being in pain and hopefully not in pain. Like that's the goal. Right?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So let's go to Fairfield, Connecticut. Kelly and Linda are such twins. They are and they're here and they're going to tell us about their mother Dolores who was a fudgeing smoke show. In their words.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They cannot like they are so happy to tell this story. They are talking over each other. Are we at a church?

[Patrick Hines]

Each other's sentences, they are great. They are like they've been telling the story for the last 15 years and they just want everyone to know the truth about this piece of shit.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, their mom was never well.

[Patrick Hines]

We discovered in the early 2000s that

[Dessa Ireland]

she had cirrhosis of the liver. Non alcohol related from the hepatitis. The hepatitis that she got from the dirty needle. When we were little, we cried in the doctor's office. It was devastating. It's a death sentence. It is a death sentence. And we knew that the words they

[Patrick Hines]

use are death sentences.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes, yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So their mother's absolutely wacky friend Catherine tells Dolores about Robert Young. And In April of 2008, Dolores goes to, to this ranch.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Now they show us they had a binder. Like these girls love their fucking mom. Yeah, like they love their mother. They had a binder of 20 years of her medical record that they put together to give to Robert Young to say you now they're like, we are trusting you to save her life.

[Patrick Hines]

You're legit. So we're going to give you her legitimate record so that you can help her and treat what this specific thing that she has.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes. And so they say, so the mom goes to the ranch, she comes back a couple weeks later and they see her and they're like, mom, what happened? They said she gained 50 pounds of fluid weight.

[Patrick Hines]

Because what they say, first of all this guy says, oh, you have to get sicker before you get better. Yeah, and then this guy was pumping her with salt, which, as the twins say, does not jive with cirrhosis.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

A real doctor would know that.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

And he's. Because he just does the same thing for everybody. The juice and the fudgeing baking soda. Iv.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Like, this is the other thing, too. Like, you were. You were teasing me earlier in a very funny way about, like, do you think it was a real. Like, how did you not know? And I think that. Like, I didn't say that. No, no, no. Like. Like when I was saying he was a real doctor. You're like, you think you know. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, right.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Like, these two daughters strike me as like, if anybody was going to do the research and make sure this guy was a real medical doctor, it would have been them. They clearly didn't do that, because I think nobody would. I think it's like, you. Like, you. Like somebody says later, you see a guy, like, in a white lab coat, tells you he's a doctor, says he can cure the cancer. You just believe it.

[Patrick Hines]

And I wonder, you know, if they say her mom was never well. I can't imagine living like that and just saying, I'm doing this. Like, I don't know if there was any talking Dolores out of.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, yeah, totally.

[Patrick Hines]

But I mean, I bet for this guy, right?

[Jillian Betsavali]

100%. And they. And he counts on that. But I bet it would not have been hard if they had gone to Dolores and was like, mom, we googled the guy. He's not a real doctor. Maybe at that point. But I feel like nobody did that. I feel like everyone just believes it.

[Patrick Hines]

And maybe she'd say, like, well, it's time for me to try something else. Who knows?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. You know what Dolores would have said, you know, truly. Maybe she's like, this is like, this is our last resort anyway.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm doing this.

[Jillian Betsavali]

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So they want their mother home, but she's too sick to fly. And Linda, to us, says, so this is insane. You ready? And I'm like, I love these two.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I.

[Patrick Hines]

How she said that, like, it was just so real.

[Jillian Betsavali]

But the thing is, she's too sick to fly because she got sicker at

[Patrick Hines]

the ranch, which is, like, all part of the plan, allegedly.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

It's just a way to keep you there for longer, right? It's a way. It's. It's a way to respond to, like, doc, I'm really, like, I'm feeling worse than when I got here.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And for him, I know it's all part of the plan. But the thing is, Linda, the daughter goes to get her mother.

[Patrick Hines]

Had it.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Had it.

[Patrick Hines]

I love a woman who's had it.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, my God.

[Patrick Hines]

Sometimes that the fucking. I can, like, hear the.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I think we cover almost nothing else on this part. Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I can hear the rhythm of her walk of being, like, that's it. Strutting down the street like she has had it.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, because the thing is, she gets there.

[Dessa Ireland]

I couldn't get my mother on the plane to New York until I paid her balance for the ranch. Over $14,000 was not allowed to take my mother.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They are not allowing the mom to leave the ranch until the balance of 14. $14,000 is paid.

[Patrick Hines]

So the memo on the check says, mom.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. So this is my favorite part, the best. Linda writes the check there. She gets to the Quote wellness center. They're wheeling the mom out in a wheelchair. The mom's got the green juice.

[Patrick Hines]

She goes. She's sucking down that green juice. She's red.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Let's tell this story.

[Patrick Hines]

Linda's like, I like that. She knows it's the fucking juice. She's not mad at her mom. She's just mad at the fucking juice. But, like, the last thing she wanted to see after arguing over $14,000 is her mom with that goddamn green juice. So she rips the cup. Rips the cup out of her mother's hand and with every fiber of her being hurled at the employee. And she goes, I hit her. I didn't care. I wanted to hurt her. Good for her.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I say, she had, like. We get a reenactment of it, and you see the woman just like, oh, falling backwards with green juice down the front.

[Patrick Hines]

She throws it at her, and she goes, here's your fucking check. Give me my mother. And off they go. Are you. Is there anything better than a woman who's had it?

[Jillian Betsavali]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

And there's part of me that hates it because the shit she had to go through to get there.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Know.

[Patrick Hines]

But there's something like more of this energy, like, so good. Here's your. You want some green juice?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Green. And the other thing about that whole thing, too, is that, like, they put, like, they put the green juice in the mom's hand as a prop. You know what I mean? Like, on the way out, like, here's. Like. Here's your to go green juice.

[Patrick Hines]

Not today. Not with Linda.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Not with Linda at all. No, girl, Shopify is back. Can we get on the way back machine for a second? Go back to 2017 when we were thinking about Starting this thing and we were like full of doubts. Will anybody listen? If we make merch to like support production, will anybody buy it? Like, what will we do? But then we took the leap and look at us now.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. Here's the thing about Shopify. It helps you get started with your own design studio. Because I think a lot of people are like, I don't even know what I want this to look like. I have no idea. So they have hundreds of ready to use templates and it helps you build a beautiful online store that matches your brand style. Everybody's different, which is what we did.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Which is why I was saying all of that. That like Shopify really helped us get off the ground and like keep going. We love Shopify. We've been with them since we started this thing.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And you could also get the word out. Like you have a marketing team behind you.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

They help you create email and social media campaigns and you can just like really focus on your customers and they'll

[Jillian Betsavali]

help you with all the hard stuff that I could ever figure out. Like they've got world class expertise in everything from managing inventory to international shipping and processing returns and beyond. Like those are the things you don't think about when you get started.

[Patrick Hines]

And especially like a lot of people don't believe in the 9 to 5.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So you could be like stressing at 3am Guess what? Shopify is always around to share advice with their award winning 247 customer support.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They really are amazing. So fam, it's time to turn those what ifs into with Shopify today.

[Patrick Hines]

Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com obsessed.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Go to shopify.com obsessed.

[Patrick Hines]

That's shopify.com obsessed. So Dolores is home and she like most people would be, she's like a little embarrassed that she fell for it. She's just feeling like not great. But that doesn't last very long.

[Dessa Ireland]

So once she got over her embarrassment, she got, she got really angry and she said, we need to stop him. And then we got to work.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They all decide as a family, we gotta get this guy. And it's them who are like, this guy's not a fucking medical doctor.

[Patrick Hines]

Women who've had it.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Beth tells us he went to, he got a. He got an undergraduate, a Master's and a PhD in two and a half years at a place she calls a diploma mill in Alabama. In Alabama.

[Patrick Hines]

It's closed now.

[Jillian Betsavali]

How on earth is that possible?

[Patrick Hines]

He just bought them, you know, like, oh, a fast track. It's all bullshit, you know? What do you mean? And I guess it like, one to your point, before, who's in the office saying, can I say that diploma?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I used to say that to people all the time. Like, I would, you know, I graduated from Emerson College. But I could have just said I did. Whoever checks into that. No, when you're, like, filling out a

[Patrick Hines]

job application, your grades, your transcripts.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. Like, no one's ever going to confirm. Like, maybe if I was going to law school or something, but, like, for any regular job, like, if I'm going to go work at, like, a museum, and they're like, write down the name of your. No one's calling.

[Patrick Hines]

I had a professor in college who was one of those very, very cool professors who taught a lot of, like, music in the American experience or, like, you know, cool pop culture stuff. And in his office, he. After he had graduated, he ripped up his diploma. I guess it was in, like, the 60s or 70s. And he ripped it up. And so the frame was his, like, because his mom, like, collected it. She was like, you worked a lot for this. So the. The frame, the diploma that he had was like, all the pieces.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I love that. Very cool, very counterculture.

[Patrick Hines]

But the point is, I don't know where my diploma is. I didn't go to my college graduation. I graduated. Did I go to my college graduation?

[Jillian Betsavali]

I went. I was really proud. Like, I was. You know, I was.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, yes, I did, because. So, so sorry. The dean said a nice thing to me after. She was horrible to me after my freshman year. But anyway, I did go, but I

[Jillian Betsavali]

went to my college graduation, and then it took me 25 years to pay off my loans. I mean, for my degree in theater studies.

[Patrick Hines]

Where's your diploma?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, I know where. It's, like, in a box in my closet at home.

[Patrick Hines]

That's where it belongs.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, 100%.

[Patrick Hines]

Or in your mom's.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I mean, unless you're like, a dog. If you're really proud of your diploma, display it wherever you want. But, like, for me.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, but first. Yeah, for people who like, it doesn't matter. No one's.

[Jillian Betsavali]

No one's looking.

[Patrick Hines]

But it is a communications degree. How about that?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Mine's not. Mine's. Mine's a theater. What? Yours?

[Patrick Hines]

Isn't that cr.

[Jillian Betsavali]

That's amazing.

[Patrick Hines]

Kind of crazy, right?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Totally wild. We should go teach a podcasting class at Emerson. Can you imagine?

[Patrick Hines]

Do it.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Or do. Or do, like, you know, don't they have, like, guest speakers or, you know,

[Jillian Betsavali]

like, Emerson, at some point would have reached out to me and been like, come talk to our kids. I'm, like, the number one person you call for that. Yeah, I'll go do that. Emerson does not care about me ever since. I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Whatever, problem girl.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

You should rip off that diploma.

[Jillian Betsavali]

You know what? I'm going to do that. No, no, no, no.

[Patrick Hines]

If you love your diploma, you should love it. I just hate this guy.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Proud to have gone to school. Whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

I just hate this guy. And he's using it again as a prop. Well, that's all I'm saying.

[Jillian Betsavali]

The phone with him from prison, and he's like, I never told anybody I was a medical doctor. What are you talking about?

[Patrick Hines]

Beth says to us, this guy's a fraud.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Now we're back with Investigator Jim, who's posing for the gods. Let me just.

[Jillian Betsavali]

He's, like, doing slow motion water, and

[Patrick Hines]

he's doing the like.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But going down a water slide.

[Patrick Hines]

But his pool has a waterfall. Yeah, we hear it in the audio. The only thing I thought about was the. The sound people must have. It must have driven them nuts, because you can hear it. You hear the like.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I love that the sound people were like, we're going to have to work this in, Jim. You're going to have to us like a photo shoot so it can make sense why we're out by your pool with the water thing on.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. I wonder if it was Jim being like, you got. You're shooting me by the waterfall. That's why I have this thing.

[Jillian Betsavali]

He literally comes out of the water and does one of those, like, Ariel, the Little Mermaid.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes,

[Jillian Betsavali]

yes, Jim, Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Anyway, the sisters tell him about, you

[Jillian Betsavali]

know what boat stands for?

[Patrick Hines]

What is it?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Break out another thousand.

[Patrick Hines]

The boat jokes are endless. About, like, so good. It's so expensive to have a boat.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I just thought that was so. I love that they included it, like,

[Patrick Hines]

as he's working on his boat, like, you got jokes. He loved the waterfall. I know you have a smoke show wife.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, you know he does, but it's also like, Jim, are you. How do you have all this money to have, like, all this fancy stuff?

[Patrick Hines]

He's an investigator.

[Jillian Betsavali]

He is.

[Patrick Hines]

The sound must have driven those people nuts. Is awesome.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So the sisters and Dolores tell him about the ranch, that this guy is diagnosing people. He's giving them IVs. He's not licensed to do any of this because all of this really comes down to the IV usage.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

This is how we're going to get them because that's illegal in California because

[Jillian Betsavali]

the daps are the thing.

[Jim Clark]

Because he's breaking the skin with a needle of patients. And in California that is illegal unless you are a doctor or say a nurse working under a doctor. That wasn't happening.

[Jillian Betsavali]

If you're not a doctor or a nurse, you literally can't break the skin. Whatever the guy's name is, Robert is like running around at his facility, like sticking needles in everybody, like for fun. For fun.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's the IV usage and the money, obviously.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And the whole thing about the IVs is that like. And this is where Jim really like puts on his investigator hat. He's buying these IVs for five or ten dollars and selling them to the patients or like charging them up 500 to $1,000 per use.

[Patrick Hines]

Now.

[Jillian Betsavali]

So that's what this is all about right?

[Patrick Hines]

Now, the difference in price isn't all that different from the health care system in this country anyway.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Which I'm sure is what he says when asked.

[Patrick Hines]

Right? Or how he justifies, look, they're going to be paying an arm leg anyway.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So why not give it to me?

[Jillian Betsavali]

But the whole thing is like. But Jim, like, like people go to school for this and like spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars to earn the right to rip health care.

[Patrick Hines]

There's a chance that like the real medicine that you have to pay $60,000 for will work as opposed to you exactly having this horrible death because your body is rejecting it and it wants a goddamn fucking sandwich or a piece of.

[Jillian Betsavali]

And that's the thing. Like, I feel like it's. Somewhere along the way this guy learned the markup of an IV and was like, how can I turn this into a fraudulent business where I can just scam people?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, maybe one of the actual medical doctors he's getting the IVs from told him about these markups.

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

During the search warrant of the ranch, we found doctors documentation that had a fee splitting agreement between Robert Young and this doctor for IVs. So at 500 bucks a pop, this doctor was receiving 40%. The cost of the IV was.

[Jillian Betsavali]

He's got like a share with an actual doctor who's writing the prescriptions for him to get the IVs. And this medical doctor is taking 40% death penalty. Death penalty for the. Tell me this, they know who this is. And he lost his. Why are we getting this guy guy's name?

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. I don't. That I don't know. I can't tell you. You know, it's crazy.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So the charges are practicing medicine without a license. And he's getting one charge for every confirmed IV that he administered.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Now he says he only ever did one. And he says, I never put it in, but I did once take it out. How are they confirming this? I guess I'm wondering.

[Patrick Hines]

I may be witnesses, testimony or, or something that I don't know. But like, practicing medicine without a license can also just be a blanket state. Like, yeah, this guy should be shut down and arrested anyway. I don't care how many IVs he did.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Prison.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't care if it was one. I don't care if you watched someone else do it. At this fucking disgusting, filthy ranch.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I just remembered that his toilet didn't flush.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, like, it's all bad. Arrested for all of it. I don't give a shit.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Well, you know who's going to get him off? Paul Finks.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay. Paul Finks, they say. And everyone, everyone thinks. And I'm like, who's Paul Fink?

[Jillian Betsavali]

We've been doing this for nine years. We've never heard this guy's name before.

[Patrick Hines]

And then he sits down. I'm like, hi, Paul, Finst. Who are you? Also Paul Finks with a P. I know P, F, I, N, G, S,

[Jillian Betsavali]

T. And I'm like, that's. That couldn't have been an easy growing up.

[Patrick Hines]

Paul Finks, whatever.

[Jillian Betsavali]

I think Paul sucks.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, he sucks.

[Robert Young (as quoted)]

He goes, the assistant district attorney said that she was going to prove that he had murdered 15 people. His attorney at the time said, this isn't a murder case. This is practicing medicine without license.

[Patrick Hines]

This isn't a murder trial. It's practicing medicine without a license. I'm like, guess what, Paul? It's both.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

Tell that to Mo.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Paul just thinks it's all so simple.

[Patrick Hines]

He's like, you know, and I hate, I hate when people do that of like, you know, there's like real murderers out there.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Your clients.

[Jillian Betsavali]

One of them asshole people died at his ranch. Somebody said they were going to try to get him on 14 murders. I was like, did 14 people die at this guy's ranch?

[Patrick Hines]

I wonder what the numbers are. How many people went to the ranch at all? Yeah, how many people went to the ranch? How many people died on the ranch? How many people were at the ranch up until the two seconds before they died and they were dumped at a fucking hospital?

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right?

[Patrick Hines]

Or how many people's Linda's and her twin came and said, get the fuck out of here.

[Jillian Betsavali]

How many of them were Vicky that like Came to the ranch, like, was tortured, tormented, had years taken off their lives, left, and then died a year later.

[Patrick Hines]

I would love to know on his

[Jillian Betsavali]

hands for all of it.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, of those 14 people, I would really love to know the breakdown of who stayed for how long, who pulled them out. Because this guy does have a lot of other lawsuits that we don't talk about here.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, yeah, my God. So there was a mistrial on the grand theft charges because of all the money.

[Jillian Betsavali]

But Beth is like, they did. He did eventually plead guilty to that. Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

Okay, great.

[Jillian Betsavali]

We got him on that.

[Patrick Hines]

I'll take the one where I can get it back.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

He was convicted on two counts of practicing medicine without a license.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yeah. He gets three years and eight months. He only serves 40 days in county jail.

[Patrick Hines]

But don't worry, because this guy is such a piece of shit that there are more charges to bring him. And something else we didn't even talk about here.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's just absolutely wild. Like, we learn in the end that in 2025, Robert Young was sentenced to nearly six years in prison for willful abuse of an elder who. Theft from an elder, practicing without a license. Crimes they say, that are unrelated to the allegations in this episode. He'll be eligible for parole in December 2027. But don't worry. He's bringing juicing to the prison system.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, good.

[Jillian Betsavali]

We, like, ends with him on the phone with Beth Caris. Talk how he spent the whole day juicing, and now he's talking to, like, the California prison system about juicing in

[Patrick Hines]

the conditions aren't inhumane enough.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Exactly.

[Patrick Hines]

This asshole and his green juice in there.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, my God, girl. We did the curious case of Robert Young, death by detox.

[Patrick Hines]

And, like, get that question mark away from me at the end.

[Jillian Betsavali]

It's what this feels like, something that somebody at whatever network makes. This was like, can we do this? Like, this is this, like, weird case that I'm obsessed with.

[Patrick Hines]

It is a very. And there's a lot, like, you can do a deep dive on him. There's, like, a lot of other things here. And this case with the elder abuse, like, there was some other woman named in it. Like, it's just a mess. I mean, wow, he sucks.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Anyway, fam. Join the Facebook group. Get in there. Tell us your thoughts on green juices and cleansing.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Join the Discord links for both in the show Notes.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, Tell us about your legit alternative medicine.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, totally.

[Patrick Hines]

Stories. I know they're out there.

[Jillian Betsavali]

That's a good call. Get in there and Tell us the good ones.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Jillian Betsavali]

What are we doing next?

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Okay, that new show, Dirty Rotten Scandals that came out.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

The first two episodes are Dr. Phil. Oh, so it's two 45 minute episodes. We'll do it in one. Obviously we are going to drag Dr. Phil and also Oprah.

[Jillian Betsavali]

She is like the founder of Dr. Phil.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. And Dr. Oz.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Yes. Oh, my God, that's right.

[Patrick Hines]

And Doctors. But this is really, I mean, the total abuse that these people had to endure through, like, for some stupid show. Oh, my God, he's a monster. But we'll dive in next week.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Okay. Can't wait. Bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye. Be safe, please. Love you.

[Jillian Betsavali]

Bye bye. Doctor. Tell it like it is, Phil McGraw.

[Patrick Hines]

I would like for people to have a real idea about Dr. Phil. They are there to get you in and out so fast. Have a taxi cab literally sitting out there.

[Dessa Ireland]

I bawled my eyes out in that cab.

[Jillian Betsavali]

They're set up to fail. They're manipulated. We had to do absolutely everything that we could to get them there.

[Patrick Hines]

I had no say in anything at all the entire time we were there. My traumatic experiences were seen as entertainment. Fear is permanent.

[Dessa Ireland]

Every day it was cold.

[Jillian Betsavali]

You feel like you're working for the devil.

[Patrick Hines]

Technically, he's not a real doctor, but like, he's Dr. Phil. That's his whole brand. He is no stranger to controversy and television's Dr. Phil is under fire once again today.