502: The Truth and Tragedy of Moriah Wilson

Summary

True Crime Obsessed - Episode 502: The Truth and Tragedy of Moriah Wilson

Date: May 26, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Gillian Pensavalle and Patrick Hinds

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Episode Overview

In this highly-requested episode, "The Truth and Tragedy of Moriah Wilson," Gillian and Patrick recap the gripping Netflix documentary about the life, shocking murder, and aftermath of professional cyclist Moriah “Mo” Wilson. Blending their signature wit, heartbreak, and empathetic insight, the hosts guide listeners through the emotional journey of Moriah's brilliant but tragically short life and the complex web of jealousy, obsession, and betrayal that led to her death. Through the analysis of documentary footage, interviews, and personal reflections, they discuss not just the crime itself, but the emotional ripples it sent through her family, friends, and the cycling community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Emotional Impact of the Documentary

• Gillian opens the episode emotionally shaken by the documentary, highlighting the musical score's impact and the familial love at its core.
  • "This is the thing that has made me cry the hardest in nine years." – Gillian ([00:00])
• The episode is described as "very well made, the music is what I feel like... it makes you cry," setting a somber, reflective tone.

2. Moriah Wilson: A Life of Promise

• Childhood & Family Bonds
  • Introduced through home videos and her mother Karen's touching memories.
  • "She was born during a lightning storm. She had all of the energy... her lungs were like thunder." – ([01:56])
  • "It was as if I had always known her. She was so familiar." – Karen, quoted by Gillian, a moment that brings Gillian to tears ([02:06]).
• Natural Athlete
  • Nicknamed a "once in a generation athlete."
  • Initially strove to be an Olympic skier, inspired by her father, but found a second calling in gravel bike racing.
  • “She was just a natural born athlete from childhood... her whole goal was to be an Olympian.” ([15:22]–[15:42])

3. The Crime: Murder of Moriah Wilson

• Night of the Murder (May 11, 2022)
  • Friend Caitlin "Cash" Cash finds Moriah unresponsive ([04:49]).
  • Cash's heroic attempts at CPR are spotlighted.
  • Emotional retelling of police delivering the news to Moriah's parents ([06:30]–[06:46]).
  • First homicide for Detective Richard Spitler; hosts note the heavy burden of such roles ([07:22]).
• Initial Investigation
  • Cash is initially treated as a suspect due to no forced entry ([10:32]).
  • Close-knit and supportive friendship between Cash and Moriah, highlighting the trust and trauma of being wrongly suspected ([11:12]).
  • “So she's just by herself? Like... she's never going to actually be alone?” – Cash, worried for Moriah even in death ([11:18])

4. Moriah's World: Relationships and Rivalries

• Her Romantic History
  • Early boyfriend Gunner; relationship ends when Mo realizes she loves cycling more ([21:39]–[21:56]).
• The Colin Strickland Triangle
  • Colin Strickland: professional cyclist, Moriah's love interest, and the last person to see her alive.
  • Colin has a controlling, complicated relationship with long-term girlfriend Caitlin Armstrong.
  • Reports of manipulation and blurred relationship boundaries; "He's playing both sides" ([26:29]).
  • Mo’s friends describe Colin’s past with women as problematic ([22:59], [23:19]).
  • Caitlin Armstrong is painted as jealous and controlling, accessing Colin's phone and blocking contacts ([26:14]).

5. Motive and Evidence

• Suspicion Moves to Caitlin Armstrong
  • Surveillance footage ties Caitlin's car to the scene; the murder weapon is traced back to a gun owned by Colin, accessed by Caitlin ([31:05], [40:50]).
  • Digital forensics, GPS from the car's "infotainment system," and Ring cameras all reinforce her presence at the murder ([42:21]–[42:55]).
  • Ballistics match Caitlin’s pistol to bullets found at the scene; her DNA is also on Mariah’s bike ([51:30]–[51:47]).
• Chilling Foreshadowing
  • Caitlin told a friend, hypothetically: "I'd kill them," when asked how she would react if she saw Colin with another woman ([38:13]).

6. Flight and Manhunt

• Caitlin’s Escape
  • Sells her car, flies to New York and then to Costa Rica using her sister’s passport and altering her appearance ([41:36]–[44:11]).
  • Ultimately caught after responding to a fake yoga instructor job ad set up by the US Marshals ([43:49]).
  • She underwent plastic surgery in Costa Rica to look more like her sister ([44:11]).
• Pre-Trial Escape Attempt
  • Caitlin attempts a dramatic escape 18 days before her trial, only to be re-captured in embarrassing fashion ([45:22]–[46:18]).

7. Trial and Aftermath

• Trial
  • Begins October 30, 2023. Caitlin pleads not guilty ([48:46]).
  • No direct evidence or eyewitnesses; the case is built on a web of digital and circumstantial evidence ([48:51]–[49:02]).
  • Cash’s powerful testimony as Mo’s friend and the trauma of the trial for Moriah’s family ([49:18]–[49:48]).
  • Verdict: Caitlin Armstrong found guilty of murder, sentenced to 90 years ([59:49]).
• Family Impact
  • Moving victim impact statements from Mo’s mother: “When you shot Mariah in the heart, you shot me in the heart.” ([63:00])
  • Grieving process exemplified by attempts to focus on gratitude, not just loss. “The more I can give thanks for that and not focus on the loss... That is the work of a lifetime.” ([46:28]–[47:17])
  • Cash continues living in the house for the sake of Mo’s memory, recounting the serendipitous find of a picture frame reading "With you all the way" ([64:55]–[66:08]).

8. Legacy and Remembrance

• The Wilson family establishes the Moriah Wilson Foundation, dedicated to promoting the causes Mo cared about: healthy living, community, cycling, and education ([67:08]).
• Mo’s brother coaches cycling and helps organize charity rides in her name.
• Show ends with a reading from Mo’s journal: an ode to "the emptying" and the meditative fulfillment of cycling ([66:22]–[67:08]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On parental love:
  "It was as if I had always known her. She was so familiar." – Karen Wilson ([02:06])
  “Every day you love them more, you know, and now the family is here to, like, this horrible thing that happened to them again.” – Gillian ([02:50])

• On Colin and relationship dysfunction:
  “Colin was trying to build the Spartan trailer business. Caitlin was definitely very knowledgeable in finance...She did a lot of the managerial stuff...which allowed Colin to focus on other elements of his cycling career.” ([28:28])
  “He’s playing both sides. He wants the drama of Caitlin and the help that she gives his business, the awesomeness of Mo and the attention from everybody.” – Patrick ([27:17])

• On Caitlin Armstrong’s jealousy:
  “She was asked, ‘What would you do if you ever saw a call in with another person?’ ...and she blankly and coldly said, ‘I'd kill them.’ And we thought she was joking.” – Virginia Brown ([38:13])

• On the moments before the murder:
  “Two gunshots, one to the front of the head, one to the side of the head. And after four or five seconds...a third shot right in Mo Wilson's heart.” – Expert testimony ([58:52]–[59:19])

• On the family’s grief:
  “When you shot Mariah in the heart, you shot me in the heart.” – Karen Wilson ([63:00])
  “To try to dehumanize her in some way is just so shitty. And it makes you a bad lawyer.” – Patrick ([51:05])

• On legacy:
  "The emptying. It's a beautiful paradox. Emptying herself can be such a fulfilling experience. This is always one of my favorite parts about racing, and I'm already looking forward to more of these moments." – Moriah Wilson (journal, [66:22])

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–02:24 — Episode opens with emotional reflections and introductions
• 04:49–06:46 — Discovery of Moriah’s body, police inform her parents
• 10:32–11:18 — Cash questioned as a suspect, emotional fallout
• 15:07–15:42 — Moriah’s athletic background and Olympic dreams
• 25:01–26:48 — Colin and Caitlin’s dysfunctional breakup dynamic
• 31:05–32:25 — Discovery of Caitlin’s car at the crime scene, interrogation details
• 37:08–38:35 — Caitlin’s threat captured in conversation with friends
• 41:36–44:11 — Caitlin Armstrong flees country, captured after US Marshals sting
• 46:28–47:17 — Karen Wilson on gratitude and loss
• 48:46–49:48 — Trial begins, Cash’s testimony
• 51:30–51:47 — DNA evidence on bike
• 58:52–59:19 — Reenactment of the murder, expert testifies on sequence
• 63:00 — Karen Wilson’s victim impact statement
• 66:22–67:08 — Mo’s journal, foundation’s mission, Ride for Mo

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Analysis of Key Players

Moriah Wilson (“Mo”)

• Portrayed as passionate, driven, and luminous in both sport and personality; her murder is felt as a universal loss.

Colin Strickland

• Condemned by hosts for his manipulative treatment of both women, though not directly implicated in the murder.
• “He played a part in this... He perpetuated a situation that contributed to a tragedy.” – Patrick ([64:12])

Caitlin Armstrong

• From jealousy and paranoia to obsession, Armstrong’s actions escalate from covert surveillance to murder, escape, and eventual capture.
• Her premeditation, technological tracking, and attempts to assume her sister’s identity are highlighted as chilling and extraordinary.

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Closing Reflections

Gillian and Patrick underscore the senselessness of the crime, the emotional devastation for all involved, and the community efforts to transform grief into purpose through the Moriah Wilson Foundation. They note how true crime, at its best, honors the lives of its victims—not just their deaths—and leaves listeners reflecting on the importance of empathy and vigilance against toxic relationships.

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Final Words

“You should go watch it. This documentary was so beautiful... The music really got me in this one.”
— Gillian ([67:36])

Transcript

[A]

Girl, I can say with some confidence, and I'm not kidding, this is the thing that has made me cry the hardest in nine years.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Yesterday, like, face down in the bed. And then I started again this morning, and I was like. Steve was like, you. Are you okay? And I was like, I really. This is. This is very well made. The music is what I feel like. It's one of those cult docs where the music makes you cry. You know what I mean? And I just. I was sobbed all the way through.

[B]

I know. The good ones are always heavy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, but let's do it. Let's talk. Yeah. All right.

[A]

Hi. Julian Betavalli.

[B]

Hello. Patrick Hines.

[A]

Bam. If you want to hang out with us and hang out with other TCL people, join us over on the Facebook or the Discord.

[B]

Yeah, we have both of those things.

[A]

We do.

[B]

They are both thriving and very nice and sweet and kind and fun community.

[A]

And also, I always like to say, like, moderated. So like, Sasha moderators in there, keeping it safe, making sure, like, it's a fun. It's not just like, you go in there, you can say whatever you want. Like, it's a really fun, safe space on the Internet.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a good way.

[A]

In a good way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, girl. Tell them what I'm going to sob through today.

[B]

Yeah. Very highly requested. The truth and tragedy of Mariah Wilson. This is on Netflix.

[A]

There was no forced entry into the residence. Could have been a home invasion, a robbery. But the more we started digging into it, it became likely that something else was going on. Collins Strickland was the last person to see Mariah alive. Collins, do you own any firearms? I bought a pistol, and I have actually never shot it.

[B]

Nobody could figure out a reason why somebody would want to kill. This grief is like a big mud puddle. I feel a lot of guilt. I told her mom she was okay and in good hands. From Colin's phone, we realized he had Mariah in s. Christine Wall.

[A]

This was the area not swabbed for DNA. It raises all these questions of, like, do you ever really know anyone?

[B]

I said the only person I could

[A]

think of that didn't like it was. So we open with Mariah's mom and, like, all of this home video of Mariah as, like, a baby and she. Mariah was born during a lightning storm. She had all of the energy. There was all this energy around her. Her lungs were like thunder. And that's one of the reasons she was such a good athlete. And then the mom says this thing and this was like the first time I. I burst into tears. She said it was as if I had always known her. She was so familiar.

[B]

And now we get to talk about Sean Colvin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because this is in 1996. And she's talking about listening to the song you're gonna make me lonesome when you go, which is. Oh, my God, Sean Colvin.

[A]

Seneca Home is not the only song. Sean Colvin has everybody.

[B]

No, but I love, like, just knowing that she was just listening to Sean Colvin in 1996 tells me so much about Karen.

[A]

And I was like, God damn it, Sean Colvin. This is not what we need right now.

[B]

I just love that little tidbit. I'm like, oh, Karen, I know so much about you.

[A]

I know. And I love that this was the moment in, like watching it through the second time that I was like. And like, I think anybody can relate to this. But as a parent, like, you just love your kids so much and you love them. It's like how you must feel about Fiona. I mean that truly. Like, every day you love them more, you know, and it's like now the family is here to, like, this horrible thing that happened to them again. And going through all of this, like, stuff from when Mariah was a baby and it's gotta be so hard to do.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I just can't imagine.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Her brother says it is interesting that looking back, somehow her body or her soul in some way knew that she had less time than most people. And that's why she was maybe had that sense of anxiety, that sense of urgency underlying everything she did. And that's why she had that sense of urgency in everything she did.

[B]

She was like such a determined, hard worker too. Like, she really just knew what she wanted and she worked her ass off for it also.

[A]

Just like one of those people who was born naturally fit. I know she worked hard. I know she. But there are those for whom the sports just come easier.

[B]

People are just into the sports on the outside and just. If you don't know who Mariah Wilson was, she. She's described as like a once in a generation athlete. And she was a professional gravel racing competitor. And that's like a hybrid mix of like road and mountain biking. What she did was crazy. Like, it's a very, very hard thing to be very, very good at.

[A]

Yeah. And we'll learn in a minute. That was like her second choice sport.

[B]

I know. Crazy.

[A]

So it's May 11, 2022.

[B]

It's weird. Today is May 12.

[A]

Oh, it's always weird when that happens,

[B]

which, like, it's not like time. I know. Like time keeps going, the world keeps spinning, whatever. But it is weird when we're talking about something and it's on or so close to the day.

[A]

Yeah, I agree. It's Austin, Texas, a city I love. 9:54pm we meet Caitlin Cash, and she. It's like this horrifying 911 call.

[B]

Everyone's going to call her Cash. We should call her Cash because there's another Caitlin who sucks. This Caitlin's awesome.

[A]

Good call.

[B]

Everyone calls her Cash. So that's who we're talking about. Mariah is very, very good friend Cash.

[A]

This is the 911 call. Her friend was staying with her. She came home, found her in the bathroom, lying in the. On the floor in a pool of blood. She's not awake, she's not breathing. And then this 9 dispatcher is like. And they are all usually amazing. This 911 dispatcher guy is walking Cash through, doing CPR on her friend. We're going to learn later. This goes on for 10 minutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're doing two compressions a second CPR is literally exhausting. It's hard, and you have to press so much harder than you think. She does this on her friend. I just like, I was like, cash is such a hero.

[B]

And this guy, like, he said, you know, count out loud so I can count with you. And he's telling her, like, don't stop. Keep going. You're doing great. Like, don't leave Mariah alone. They will come to you when they show up. Like, just keep doing what you're doing. And it must have been so nice to have that support.

[A]

Yes. Yes. And the cops finally show up and they get Cash out of the house. And she says to us, I could

[B]

not understand why they weren't bringing her down to take her to the hospital. And so finally I asked the officer questioning me, I said, why is it taking them so long to get her into the ambulance? Like, she needs help. His words were something along the lines of, your friend didn't make it.

[A]

One of the cops says to her, your friend didn't make it.

[B]

Yeah. And so Cash tells the cops, you know, Mariah doesn't live there. She's just staying with Cash. But she was out with their friend Colin Strickland.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And so that's the first time we hear of that name.

[A]

And then we cut back to Mariah's parents, Karen and Eric, and they're out in the garden, and the mom, like, this is every parent's worst nightmare.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's like tending to the garden and looks over her shoulder and sees the cops show up to literally tell her that her daughter is dead.

[B]

Like, it's just. It's the most destabilized. I can't imagine where it's like. But everything was fine. I spoke to her and they were in touch a lot. They were a very, very, very close family. They are a very close family, the

[A]

people who have to deliver that news. I want, I want it to be a master's degree level training.

[B]

It's not, but it should be. But yeah, it's a hard. I mean, I don't think anyone enjoys it in the you that way. But there are better ways to do it.

[A]

My mom was a chaplain for a while and like you like, obviously there's training in how to like be with grieving families of people who are like, there is a way to do it. It's just like, what, what a horrible thing to have to do.

[B]

And it's so personal and it affects everyone in so many different ways too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We meet Detective Richard Spitler, Austin Police Department.

[A]

This was my first homicide investigation as a lead detective. I was definitely nervous, you know, I didn't know what to expect.

[B]

So he's real nervous. There's a lot of pressure. He really wants to solve this.

[A]

I always think about like someday it guy's first brain surgery. You know what I mean? Like, this is his first day. This is his first case as. Don't fuck it up, Richard.

[B]

Yeah, there's a to that kind of. Kind of like, how did we discover we could do this kind of thing?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One of my. A very funny Mad Men quote is Roger Sterling goes was a brave man who first ate an oyster. It's like, how did we get here that we're eating oysters? Like how did we learn about popcorn? I guess we were cooking it and then like colonels just flew off the fire and everyone was like, this is delicious. Let's put some butter and salt on it.

[A]

Let's put. Put it in a movie theater. Like the chocolate chip cookie happened by accident.

[B]

They say that like a beautiful mistake.

[A]

Stunning chocolate.

[B]

That's beautiful.

[A]

That was like a religious moment for you.

[B]

It just like felt like apparently, I mean, that's not a mistake. That's divine intervention. That's a real like she, she was like, let me help you out.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Let me just let you.

[A]

And like, do I really believe that somebody said like a bunch of like chopped up pieces of chocolate next to like A bunch of kitchen knives.

[B]

It's not like they don't go together perfectly.

[A]

I don'.

[B]

By this story. This is divine intervention of God. She's up there and she's like, you know, it would be great.

[A]

You know what they really need right now?

[B]

I'm really going to put them through the fudgeing rigor, everything else. So let me just like introduce chocolate chip cookies.

[A]

I gave them pyramids, now I'm giving them chocolate.

[B]

So when they're crying with all the horror in the world, they can eat some chocolate cookies.

[A]

But it's going to come at a cost.

[B]

A major cost.

[A]

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[B]

That's like a hotel. That's like a five star luxury hotel.

[A]

And she like removed all of her old stuff, put this out there. She's got like deck chairs and she also got this table with an umbrella. It is the most amazing patio. I'm like, I'm moving to my sister's house for the summer.

[B]

What an upgrade for like not a zillion dollars. Thanks, Wayfair.

[A]

Wayfair. Oh my. If I would tell and it is not what you would think, that's amazing. So we're talking they've got outdoor seating, they've got grills, they've got major appliances, storage, patio lighting, rugs, decor. Wayfair is your one stop shop for home fam.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

I mean this sincerely. I'm thrilled.

[A]

Thank you. Congratulations.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

So we see Cash being questioned by the cops, and she realizes pretty quickly

[B]

I realized that I was being questioned as a potential suspect. We took, you know, DNA samples. They swabbed my hands, took my photos, and eventually let me wash my hands.

[A]

She's being looked at as a suspect.

[B]

Well, because there no fourth century. Nothing was damaged, Nothing was out of place. This is not a robbery. She's the only person there. She made the night. Like, they're just. Of course, start close and you work your way out there looking at Cash.

[A]

Cash is such a good person and such a good friend.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We see the moment of her with the cop where she is so concerned that Mariah, his body is going to be alone.

[B]

This is really heartbreaking because she's crying and she's like, so she's just by herself? Like, and they're like, no. Like, no, she's not. And she says, like, so she's never going to actually be alone. Like, she just doesn't want her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is just so. So heartbreaking and so real to so real.

[A]

And we learn how Cash met the family. So we're going back to 2021. It's East Burke, Vermont. She moves there as part owner of a bed and breakfast. I'm like, this is literally a TV show.

[B]

Yeah. And she didn't know anyone. So she goes, I didn't have any friends in Vermont, so she signed women's gravel clinics and mountain biking clinics. I'm like, say what now?

[A]

It's so Vermont. Like, where I come from in Massachusetts, like, they would do this, too. It's very, like, Birkenstockian. You know what I mean?

[B]

But also, the stuff, it's not just like, oh, let's like, do macrame. It's like mountain biking clinics. Like, that is some serious stuff.

[A]

People who enjoy the hiking and the camping and the mountain biking. I was saying to my friend today, I got back into running recently, okay? And I've been trying to run, like a 5k like, every other day, but I do it on a treadmill. Because if I were to do it in the outside, I would be the guy that be like, I. A mile in, I'd be like, I can't do this. And now I'm a mile from my house. I have to walk home.

[B]

Look, I'm never going to be a runner ever.

[A]

You'd be a great runner.

[B]

I'm bad at it. I'm terrible at it. I also don't like it.

[A]

Well, see, that's the only thing. Well, I won't. But you would be good at anything. You tried.

[B]

I have tried. I don't like it.

[A]

But, like, how do you run? Badly.

[B]

I just hate it.

[A]

Well, okay, so that's fine then you

[B]

don't have to, you know. Yeah, well, I'll do. I, like, on the treadmill and then, like, really, like, working it out and, like, sprinting to, like, a song and then not. And then, like, speed walking.

[A]

Great. I'm so glad that we worked this out. You told me some shit about pigeons before we started that I can't get out of my head. Tell them quickly.

[B]

The thing is. Well, actually, I'll shout them out. So Madison. Well, yeah, but Madison Sinclair sent me some booty shorts because look at her shop. It's the bummer shop, not an ad. I literally just was just handed them today. She's awesome. We've been having, like, very nice dms. Anyway, one of the things. And they have, like, badass things on, like. Oh, like punch Nazis or whatever. Like, things I really agree with, of course. But one of them said we domesticated pigeons and then abandoned them. And that's exactly what we did. And it's a fact that. Well, so I'll remember randomly and be like, God damn it.

[A]

Someday I want to do a TikTok of, like, sad animal facts with Jillian and just, like, really sad music.

[B]

That's so depressing. But, like, no, that's like, look it up. It's. It's really shitty. And now they have this awful reputation.

[A]

So we're back in Vermont with Cash. Remember, she moved there to, like, start a bed and breakfast. Mariah's parents are there to see Mariah race, her mother says. And I was like, what?

[B]

The only time we ever saw Mariah race was at the Rooted race.

[A]

We were on the road cheering her

[B]

on, and we ran into this girl.

[A]

The only time they ever got to see Mariah race was this race.

[B]

Because I think she's racing, like, 100 miles. I'm not.

[A]

I'm not exactly racer. So she goes all over the world

[B]

to race, and it's hard. She's up in the mountains. It's not like the New York marathon where everyone is, like, crowding the streets. It's not like that. Like, these are really.

[A]

Imagine if you had, like, hiked to your friend's comedy show. You know what I mean?

[B]

No, of course I would go. Wild horses.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyway, but so there's this race, and Cash meets Mariah's family because she's like, oh, hey. Like, who are you here cheering for? And they say our Daughter, Mariah. And she's like, no. And Cash is like, no way. She's my favorite.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They all love Mariah. It was totally meant to be.

[A]

And so Mariah and Cash don't actually meet for a couple of months. They meet at another race months later. Cash, she's like a racer, but she's doing it at like a human speed. And then, like, she gets like, like a two day head start. Mariah. Twice the distance Cash does in half the time.

[B]

Let me tell you something about Mariah Wilson. She was insane at what she did. She was like, this gravel racing is just hard anyway. But she's getting first place all the time. Like over 100 miles. She's doing this for five and a half hours at a time.

[A]

Yeah. And like they say, starting from a

[B]

young age, Mariah had the natural inclination to be athletic.

[A]

She was very determined.

[B]

If she didn't do well, she'd be so upset. So she would just work harder.

[A]

She was just a natural born athlete from childhood. And this is where we learn that this gravel biking was her second choice because she started doing skiing. We get a lot of her journal entries in this. And at one point she says, I'm feeling wicked strong. And I was like, oh, she's from the Northeast. These are my people.

[B]

And her whole goal was to be an Olympian. I want to be an Olympian so badly. One day I will. One day I will.

[A]

She goes to ski school.

[B]

Yeah. I will be the strongest and most hardworking girl there that I am confident in. So she wants to be this Olympic skier. She's inspired by her father, who was very close to making the Olympics and then missed by one spot.

[A]

That's good. And the thing is, that has to happen to somebody every single year.

[B]

Yeah. What's that book and movie Molly's Game? I don't know where she was going to be an Olympic skier and then she, like, broke her leg. And then she did the celebrity poker.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

With like, Topher Gray and all those guys. Like that movie. What?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Jessica Chastain plays her in the movie. Anyway, she, like, that's a real. She's a real person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But she was going to be in the Olympics and then, like, had this injury.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, like, that she became a professional poker game.

[A]

That sounds so much easier. But like, I always think, like, there's got to be the one person who worked their entire life and missed it by once. But it was Mariah's dad.

[B]

I don't know. Obviously the qualifications.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For that. But that's like, you got to be a good year. But. But it's also like. But you still were amazing at it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

One spot doesn't mean it's not, like, me missing it. Like, I'm missing by a. By 100 miles.

[A]

Remember that woman, Gabby something, incredible athlete who was, like, the vaulter. Like, she'd been a vaulter her entire life, and she got to the Olympics and she fell. I think about. She did, like, the thing with her face, and then she and Obama did it together as, like, a charity. Like, I always think about, like, you work your entire life for one moment, and that's the bad vault. You have one bad vault in your year, and it's at the Olympics.

[B]

It makes me anxious sometimes. I think about that. It's too much.

[A]

Be mediocre at everything, everybody.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So she switches to becoming a professional cyclist. Everyone's like, great, go do that and be the best at it. And she is.

[B]

We meet this guy, Alan Lim, who's a cycling coach and a sports scientist, which is a very cool thing to be.

[A]

The probability of winning in a bike race is really, really low. So for Mo to always be on the podium, that was extraordinary.

[B]

In the span of two years, she won, like, six or seven races. And not by minutes, not by. I mean, she won things by hours. She's winning by hours.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When I say she was insanely good, that's an understatement.

[A]

That is so. I feel like she's, like, going so fast that when she passes you on the course, you don't even see her. You feel the wind.

[B]

How worse. That is crazy. And, like, regularly, that was not a fluke. Like, it's. It's unbelievable. So it's 2022, and Mariah goes to Austin for a few weeks, and Cash is living there now. And so Mo stays with Cash.

[A]

So now we see the body cam footage of the cops going up to see this Colin Strickland person who was the last person to see Mariah alive.

[B]

And they went on a date the night before. We got to talk to this guy for sure.

[A]

And, like, it's so weird, like, because we see the interaction and, like, they're like, do you know a person named Mo? And he's like, I don't know right away. This guy is very sad sus to me.

[B]

But this cop, I sincerely hope they're playing dumb. I don't understand how this guy doesn't know the murder victim's name and also, like, seemingly has never heard the name Monica before, which he thinks her name is. And it's not. It's Mariah. He's like, you know, Mo, my Monica, Monique? And I'm like, that's. I know she's a murder victim. And you're like, how do you not know her name?

[A]

I know. And like, but. But Colin is acting very weird. And then he's like, yes, I do know her. They tell him that she died last night. They say that he has no reaction, but I'm. He looks like he's processing this in real time. And like me and the cops and everybody are like, this is the guy. Like, last person to see her alive. He's acting really strange. When the cops show up, he's got to be the killer.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not a fan of his and I never will be.

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Okay, great. So we meet Gunner, Mariah's former boyfriend, and he just tells us that, like, she was strong but not, like, too strong. Like, strong, but not an egotistical way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he was her first real boyfriend, he says. And she was a sophomore in college, and he had already graduated. Yeah.

[A]

They do, like, the long distance thing for years. Like, he moves to San Francisco, and then she moves there to be with him. And it's like, as soon as she gets there, she realizes how much she loves biking more than him.

[B]

Yeah, I really didn't, like, you know, she was sh. But not like, no, I'm not in an egotistical way. I was like, yeah, yeah.

[A]

He's like, I also really like that. Like, she was kind of quiet because I'm not like that. Gunner, this isn't coming off how you think it's coming off.

[B]

The breakup makes a lot of sense to me is all I'm thinking. Okay. And he was like, oh, it was so hard for both of us. And Mo literally says to him, I

[A]

remember her saying, I am more in love with biking, and I find all the emotion and feedback and pleasure in my life from riding my bike. And, yeah, that said, kind of all I needed to hear.

[B]

She's so fulfilled from biking. She doesn't need him at all.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And he says that that was all he needed to hear. Body. And they're over.

[A]

Yeah. Then we meet, like, another one of Mariah's friends, a woman named Kimmy. She's a college friend. They move in together in San Francisco in 2022. And what it really felt to me, like, in this moment was that Mariah really needed her women around her.

[B]

Yeah. They were both going through breakups. They were out on their own. They were doing their thing, like, Lear.

[A]

Being adults together. They loved living together. They loved doing stuff together. And then her mom tells us that, like, then Mariah is, like, suddenly ready to, like, get back out into the dating world. And, like, she's really drawn to people, that she can learn things From.

[B]

And also like this Colin Strickland guy. He's also a professional gravel racer, and we're told he's very good at it. And we meet this cycling journalist, Ian, and Ian's like, yeah, I know Colin through this world because I did a lot of stories and profiles on him because he was very successful at this.

[A]

And it seems like he's sort of at the end of his career where.

[B]

Well, now he is.

[A]

Well, now he certainly is. But at the time, the way that he's gonna sort of explain it to us is he's kind of over it. He's, like, doing other businesses. We'll get back to him.

[B]

Well, we talked to Maude, and she's a gravel racer, and she says, I knew that he had a history of manipulating women and relationships, and I was aware of past things, and I was aware of beat past things. And I'm like, maude, say more about that.

[A]

Because it seems like there's a lot that people are not saying that they don't want to say out lo out about Colin.

[B]

And what they say is bad enough. Like, Libby and other gravel racer says that Colin had a girlfriend and did not act like it. So, for example, yeah, after a race, Colin takes Mo out for a beer to, quote, give her advice on her career.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, hype her up and, oh, my God, you're going to win so many events. But this was definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely not a date, just a beer where he was praising her.

[A]

And the whole reason is because of this girlfriend. So the Colin's girlfriend is this woman named Caitlin. Somebody says, like, Caitlin is described as the girl standing right next to Colin that Colin didn't introduce you to.

[B]

Like, she. That is. Is super humiliating because she was never at events. And when she was there, he was a dick to her and acted like they weren't together. And the fact that girlfriend Caitlin, like, I'm not defending her, but, like, that she was a joke to people.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

It's like, oh, is Caitlin here? Oh, yeah. She's that woman that Colin didn't introduce you to, but is standing right next to him. And it's like, can you. That is humiliating.

[A]

Yeah, I. The whole situation there is crazy to me. Like, why would you stay with a guy like that? Why would you be a guy like that? It's. And then he, like, we were hearing some, like, podcast interview or something that he gave in 2020. He describes this, like, breakup drive with him and Caitlyn where, like, they're on the way home from somewhere, and he's basically explaining to her why they can't be together anymore. But they stay living in the same house. They just move into separate rooms, Right?

[B]

Yeah. Let me. I want to slow down on this because Mo is going to Austin for a race and the race gets canceled, but she still goes to see Colin, this, like, friend of hers or whatever. And so she thinks maybe there's something more than a friendship. Now, according to Colin, like, days before he gets the text from Mo about her trip to Austin, he and Caitlyn, his girlfriend, quote, go on a break.

[A]

Caitlyn moved into a separate room, and we had had, like, a very clear breakup. We were not together. I needed personally to, like, close the door on the relationship. It's kind of what I felt like. Kind of like, no turning back, make her angry at me. And I effectively started dating Mariah for a week when she was in Austin.

[B]

I had to make Caitlyn angry at me. And I effectively started dating Mariah for the week she was in Austin. That is a fake point breakup.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To get your girlfriend pissed off at you so you can technically say, well, we weren't together, so you can use Mariah. Like, this guy sucks.

[A]

It sucks in this. This behavior has dire consequences.

[B]

So back to Collins. Like, we have his police interview, and he tells the cops that he bought a 9 millimeter pistol last fall, but he's actually never even opened the case. He's never made time to shoot it or whatever. He just, like, has it locked in his case untouched.

[A]

And they tell US that it was 9 millimeter shell casings that were found at the scene. So now he's the last guy to see her. And the, like, the shell casings match the gun that he just told him that. That he has.

[B]

And what else is weird is that Colin has Mo saved in his phone, not as Mo under a different name, because Caitlin, the girlfriend, is constantly looking through his phone.

[A]

Right.

[B]

We also learned that Caitlin had all of his passwords because she managed all of his bank accounts. So she'd go in his phone and block contacts without him knowing. And, you know, he can defy. You know, she could find any information she wanted to. And I'm like, okay, this is not the dynamic. We're living in a separate room in the same house. Constitutes a clean break.

[A]

No, stop.

[B]

Stop. Like, downplaying and, like, playing all sides.

[A]

It's clearly like a very dysfunctional relationship. And, like, the whole thing about block her blocking people in his phone is that, like, we're getting Mariah's diary. And, like, she's back and forth, like, trying to communicate with Colin, but he's not responding to her. Then she texts him and her texts don't go through. I'm like, Caitlin blocked her.

[B]

But also, like, if Caitlin's in your phone, Caitlin's in your phone. There is no fake name that's going to make the following text. Okay? And the text is, I had a fantastic time showing you around the bright spots of Austin in greater Texas. You're a very rare talent with a sharp intellect and a fun and beautiful spirit. What fake name? What kind of. You don't talk like that when you have a girlfriend. Are you out of your mind?

[A]

Also, who says there's something like greater Texas? I love showing around Austin and the greater Texas area. This guy sucks crazy.

[B]

So Mariah is saying, like through her friends and journal entries, like, she never really knew where she stood with him. And I'm like, right, because he wanted it both ways. He wants the drama of Caitlin and the help that she gives his business. The awesomeness of Mo and the intention from everybody.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So in January of 2020, which is five months before Mariah Wilson's murder, Colin stops responding to her completely. And then she would. Because probably because she's been blocked by Caitlin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So fake name be damned, you fucking idiot.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, what is that going to do?

[A]

Right?

[B]

So but she, like, Mariah would run in to him and his live in girlfriend, Caitlin, and it would be really awkward. I'm like, yeah, I bet.

[A]

And then, then it's like he's giving like this. My thing is like, she's been texting him, he hasn't been responding, but he's not getting the text. So then they see each other and it's weird. This dynamic is weird. And I'm just like, mariah, I don't want this for you. And like, you're so much better than this gu. You do not need this.

[B]

Right? So when the cops press him on, like, he's like, we didn't even kiss. Like, he and Mariah didn't even kiss. Like, he's saying, we were just, just friends. And I'm like, I don't believe that.

[A]

And I didn't believe him at all in this interview. I'm like, this guy is lying through

[B]

his teeth because the cops are basically like, okay, if you seemingly hate your girlfriend, then why are you with her? And this is when he explains, oh, like he needs her.

[A]

Colin was trying to build the, the Spartan trailer business. Caitlin was definitely very knowledgeable in finance and was obviously like, smart about money. And she did a lot of the managerial stuff for the business, which allowed Colin to focus on other elements of his cycling career and whatever else he

[B]

needs her to run the business. And I'm like, okay, but then be adults about it. Like, if you want this person so enmeshed in your life, then you have to know that the breakup is going to be more like a divorce, not sleeping in the next room so you can go fuck around. Because eventually Colin and Mo realize there's, like, nothing there between them. And Mariah's happy about this.

[A]

Yeah. She's, like, talking about other guys. She's, like, really looking forward to meeting other people. She doesn't care.

[B]

And I'm like, okay, great, let's move on. So they weren't, according to all of Mariah's friends and journal, like, they called out that there was no spark and they were not together.

[A]

Right. So May 11, 2022, morning of the murder, Mariah is in Austin for the Gravel Loco race. She's staying with Cash. Cash takes a video of Mariah that morning and texts it to her mom and says, your girl is here, safe with me. And, like, I feel like this was the moment that Cash was, like, really dreading talking about because she. Cash, has a lot of survivor's guilt.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And feeling like she can't. Like, she feels so badly that, like, she couldn't have kept Mariah safe during this time. Yeah.

[B]

Because. And she says, she says, be safe. Right fast.

[A]

Yeah. Mariah's plan for the day, she was going to go swimming and then go to dinner with Colin.

[B]

And we see it. They have burgers. They're talking. Like, we see it on the cameras of the restaurant.

[A]

And we hear Colin say that Caitlin called him during dinner and he didn't take the call. I mean, then he says he dropped Mariah off at home and that was the last he saw her.

[B]

So. Enter Sergeant Katie Connor. Awesome pd. She says this is all hands on deck.

[A]

She looks exactly like Holly Marie Combs. I couldn't stop thinking about it.

[B]

Do I know who that is?

[A]

She.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Other one from charm. She's like, not Alyssa Milano and not Doherty.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You would. You know how they're doing the celebrity lookalike contest these days?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If they did a Holly Marie comes lookalike contest, she would. Absolutely.

[B]

She was at, like, a basketball game or like, it would be like, oh, the lookalike person.

[A]

I want to. Hollywood Marine comes impersonator at my birthday party.

[B]

Well, maybe. Well, Sergeant Katie's very busy She's.

[A]

And we need her doing the work that she's doing.

[B]

Well, here's what she's doing. So she's watching Collins interview as it's happening, and she's taking notes and verifying what he's saying kind of in real time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so she jumps into action because it turns out that we have footage of the car from the night of the murder at 8:37. And it's from a motion activated camera in the alleyway directly next to Cash's apartment.

[A]

Right. We know that Cash said that he dropped Mariah off on his motorcycle and we see video of that. So whose car car is this?

[B]

It's a black Jeep. It has chrome windows, a luggage rack on the roof, a bike rack that was mounted on the back. One of the other detectives realized, hey, that's a vehicle that looks just like a vehicle that was in their driveway when detectives had gone out there to speak with Colin. And it matches the description of the car that was in Collins driveway when police first spoke to him. And they didn't know Mariah's name.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So Sergeant Katie, like does gives the hearth sign and is like, I need to tell you something about the car. Like ask him about the car.

[A]

It's wild that they are able to communicate in real time. Like she's able to like get him the information about the car while he's interviewing Colin. And he tells Colin that Caitlin's car was at the murder scene and Colin basically collapses.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was when I was like, did he not do this?

[B]

Right?

[A]

Because I'm like, if he's acting, we never see. They never do this.

[B]

Well, yeah, I think he's a fudgeing like a derpy loser acting as such. You know what I mean? Like he like knowing what we will know at the end, you're kind of like, oh, of course he's a fudgeing derp, Herb.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they get a search warrant and Colin tells them that there should be two pistols in the house. But he only knows where one of them is because he's a shitty gun owner too. He does not know where his girlfriend's pistol is. I'm so. I don't know shit about shit. But I do know that if you have guns in the house, you should know where they are.

[A]

Yes, they should be locked. Listen, don't even get me started.

[B]

But he doesn't know where his girlfriend's pistol is and her car is at the scene of the murder.

[A]

Interesting that he like didn't offer that. There's more than one gun in the house when they asked him about the gun in the first place. Place.

[B]

Right. He knows Caitlyn is unhinged, which is why he can't break up with her.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And he treats her like shit. Also, she. I think it's a terrible relationship. I don't think either of them are treating each other right. But he knows she's, quote, crazy or whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because he can't break up with her. Also, he's using her.

[A]

Yeah. Well, speaking of Caitlyn, this is where Sergeant Katie brings Caitlyn into the interrogation room.

[B]

Caitlyn is as cold as ice. And there's this lady cop, Detective Connor, and she is like. She's like. Caitlyn's like, you want to tell me what this is all about? And Detective Connor is like, well, do you know why we're talking to Colin or, like, anything that's happened in the last 24 hours?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Caitlin says Colin walked in the house and said one of the women in the cycling community passed away. Doesn't say her name. Ice.

[A]

And like, this is the. But then she's also immediately saying she doesn't want to be there, and she's asking for a lawyer. And this is where the cop is saying to her.

[B]

Yeah, and that's why I wanted to chat with you, because it's a guy, he's going to say stuff. And so we want to make sure that we get both sides of the story and everything and clear it up.

[A]

So what.

[B]

What were you doing yesterday? I would like to leave. I think that that's completely your choice, but understand if you do, then we only have one side of the story to go on.

[A]

We'd really like to get your side of the story. Or we're only going to get it from him. And it works on Caitlin for, like, a second.

[B]

It's a bullshit tactic. I'm not defending Caitlin. I'm just commenting on the system. Like, the conversation should be over once she says the word lawyer. You see this all the time. They're like, what? Well, like men. Am I right? He's in the next room.

[A]

I know. I always wonder about this. Like, she says she wants an attorney, but then doesn't leave. Like, is it incumbent upon her to leave?

[B]

Yeah, I think it's another, like, power imbalance weirdness here of, like, can she get up? I think people are just sort of like, forget what their rights are when they're sitting in that interrogation room. She also sucks, but, like, she's repeatedly saying she wants to leave, and they're like, but. And I'm like, you can't. You shouldn't be doing that.

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So we meet Virginia Brown. She is Colin and Caitlin's friend and she's here to tell us a little bit about Caitlin saying, like, she was always a really sweet person, like, this relationship was a fudgeing mess, but, like, she wasn't always like this.

[A]

Yeah. We also do learn that at one point Caitlin called Mariah out of the blue from an unknown number. From an unknown number. To be like, colin and I are still seeing each other. It would be best if you just stay out of it.

[B]

Everyone knew how bad this was. Obviously one person is the worst of it here, but, like, this was just a mess for everybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the cops asked Colin, like, could your girlfriend have done this?

[A]

When we get there, I've got a lot of questions about this, but he's absolutely adamant that there's absolutely no way she couldn't have done this. And I'm like, I don't know how much you knew about what happened, but I think that there is certainly a world in which you can imagine that she would have done something like this.

[B]

Colin is not being 100% honest about these relationships.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He's just not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But Virginia, the friend says, like, you know, looking back as, as what happens with hindsight, like, she's realizing certain things that Caitlyn said and did in the middle of this very toxic, horrible relationship that, like, she was. Caitlin was asked, like, what would you do? Because I feel like that's all Caitlin talked about. He's cheating. Who is he? And, like, the thing is, she's not paranoid. If he was actually doing it, he was lying to her. He was having inappropriate relationships, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, I think the conversations were a lot about that with her girlfriends. And so when she's asked, I was there when we were all sitting outside the meteor. I'm the One who asked her, what would you do if you ever saw a call in with another person? You know? And she blankly and coldly said, I'd kill them. And we thought she was joking. And Virginia was like, we thought she

[A]

was kidding because everybody says crazy stuff,

[B]

you know, like, and this guy was making her crazy. Like, he was not. He was a dick.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she was being proven right all the time.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we also learn that, like, in the days after the interrogations, Caitlyn and Colin are like, they think their house is bugged, so they won't talk there. And they literally have a conversation about, like, getting their stories straight.

[B]

Yeah. And meanwhile, we cut to Colin on the floor in the fetal position in the corner of the interrogation room, just repeating, no, no, no, no, no, over and over again. And so, like, Colin's like, we need to account for every second of our day so that the cops can actually find the real killer, allegedly. And I'm like, that's weird to do that. Why are you asking her to do that?

[A]

I totally agree. That is a weird. If you didn't know anything about what happened, why are you doing that?

[B]

And like, you don't. You shouldn't have to get your story straight because the truth is the truth.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you just say where you were.

[A]

Right. So now we learn that the detective gets two hours of video from a neighbor's ring cam, a neighbor of Cash's. And it's continuous video, it's not just images.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so he's like, putting it on and like, doing his other work. And as he like, hears a car pulling up, he like, looks up to see, and he sees the car at one point. Like, he looks up and there is the car that they saw on the other ring footage at the house at the time of the murder.

[B]

And I just want to give a shout out to Netflix here because on this video. Yeah, there's audio and video. We don't hear it. It says audio redact. Thank you. But the cops hear it. And what they hear at 9:15 is a woman screaming and three gunshots. Thank you Netflix, for not making us hear it. Because we hear for now that that has been introduced to us. Everyone says it's the most horrifying thing they've ever heard in their lives. So thank you for not.

[A]

Yeah, the thing about the gunshots too is that it was two shots and then a six second pause and then a third shot. And we'll learn about that later. And it is fucking awful.

[B]

So we know that Colin was home.

[A]

We able to trace his path back home.

[B]

He receives a phone call while he's at home.

[A]

His phone was showing to be at his residence at the time that the gunshots could be heard. Now, it becomes very difficult for you to say, well, Collin was driving the Jeep, so that only leaves her with access to it.

[B]

We have video of him on his motorcycle and his phone pinged at his house the time of the murder, which was 9:15.

[A]

And the ballistics report comes back and it confirms that the gun that was confiscated from Colin and Caitlin's house was the gun used at the murder. So the only other person who had access to that gun was Caitlin.

[B]

And we know where Colin was.

[A]

Right, so let's do the math on that.

[B]

So it's May 17, six days after the murder, and the police have an arrest warrant for Caitlin Armstrong. But guess what? She ran. She's in the wind.

[A]

She is gone. So there are national manhunt is on. We were talking before we started. This is like how I remember this. I remember this all when it happened.

[B]

The marshals are here, the FBI, they're asking for the public's help. It's all over the news. So here's what she did. She sells the black Jeep at Carmax. We have her on the video clear as they sitting there playing with her brand new phone with her legs crossed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She flew from Austin to Houston, and then from Houston to upstate New York, where she goes to see her sister.

[A]

Then she takes her sister's passport and flees the country to Costa Rica. Can we get eyes on the sister?

[B]

I thought that too. I'm like, well, first of all, because she's dyed, she has brand new hair. Yes. She's trying to make herself look like her sister. She's wearing a mask, but she's in the airport. So that makes sense. That's what I do. Yes, but, like, there's no record of Caitlin being on any. And I'm like, what is she trying to. Is she gonna kill the sister too? Because there can't be two of them, right? Is she gonna try to be. Become her sister?

[A]

We're never told if the sister was complicit or if she just like, stole

[B]

the sister's passport, what she knew, whatever.

[A]

So while Caitlyn's in the wind and they're trying to find her, they're trying to strengthen the case against her. At the same time, they. They find out that her phone was in airplane mode at the time of the murder. So they can't track her using the cell phone pings, but they Find out that her car has what they call an infotainment system.

[B]

It's just the gps. It's the big screen that every car has now where you airplay and your map and the radio, whatever.

[A]

I just love that. Detective Richard tracks down the car because, remember, she sold the car. So he tracks the car down. I checked with our digital forensics unit and asked him, what type of information would this infotainment system collect? One of the things that they said that it collected was track logs, your GPS data. He watches a YouTube video on how to pull out the infotainment system. I'm like, there's not somebody at the cop station who knows how to do that.

[B]

Sure. He just. Yeah, whatever.

[A]

Yeah. I just was like, you watched a YouTube? Like, we are really getting the boots on the ground. We're getting every last detail here.

[B]

This is the same guy who thought Mariah's name was Monica and also had never heard the name Monica before.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So also, Colin just gave Caitlin $40,000 to, quote, invest in their company, which means that she's on the run with 40 grand.

[A]

Like, real convenient, right?

[B]

I very, very. Like, I think he's lying about a lot of things.

[A]

Like, no cop thinks he's lying, at least according to the doc. No one's like, Colin knew everything that happened. Like, no one ever says that. I'm like, they lived in the house. Like, he's taking her out of the house because he thinks it's bugs. They can't account for their time.

[B]

They're getting new phones.

[A]

He gives her 40 grand in cash, apparently, because, like, that's the only way they're going to. She's going to be able to use that money and not be. Have it be trash.

[B]

Like, I don't know, man.

[A]

It's very convenient is all I'm saying.

[B]

So here's how they get the son of a bitch. Caitlin fancied herself a yoga instructor.

[A]

This is unreal.

[B]

So the US Marshals post a fake ad looking for a yoga instructor in Costa Rica, which is where she is. And it freaking works. She shows up and she's like, hi. Like, Yoga Caitlin, llc. And they ask her, they're like, are you Caitlin Armstrong? And she's like, yeah, it's me.

[A]

Why would you go through all of that trouble and then just give them your name?

[B]

Boom. Handcuffs. After 43 days, I'm like, 43 days.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So this is when they learn it. After she was arrested, we find out that she actually went through plastic surgery trying to make herself look more like her sister. I think she just thought she was smarter than everybody else and that she could get away with it. In those 43 days she's had plastic surgery to look more like her sister. And that's when I'm like, can we talk to the sister? Because I think she might also be killing her sister. Yeah, there can't be two.

[A]

I'm not giving Caitlin any props here, but I don't know that we've ever seen anything like this. Like to be so all in to flee the country, steal your sister's passport, get the plastic surgery, go to Costa. Like Caitlyn was really, really going for it here.

[B]

Real lucky that she just happened to fall into $40,000.

[A]

I'm $40,000 when you need plastic surgery in a pinch in Costa Rica.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

You know what I mean? I don't understand why you're going to all of this trouble and then you're answering an ad and using your real name. Are you coming? Your sister over?

[B]

Colin Strickland, right? Woof. So, Rick, the defense attorney, this is all a big misunderstanding. The cops are making a lot of assumptions. I look forward to sorting this shit out in a court of law, essentially.

[A]

But wait, we didn't even talk about.

[B]

Well, this is going to happen now.

[A]

Okay, because this is unreal.

[B]

18 days, days before the trial, Caitlin escapes and we see it. So what happens? She supposedly, she lies to the whatever and she has to see an outside doctor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they escort her to the appointment, but the minute the appointment is over, she books it. But she doesn't have a plan. And she's running along the gate of this office park in black and white

[A]

striped pants like the hamburglar on the loose.

[B]

And they finally, this officer is having a lot of trouble falling all over herself.

[A]

I mean, it's so embarrassing.

[B]

Need a lot we need. This is what, one of the many reasons we have to burn the whole

[A]

system down and start like Caitlyn is literally running in circles. Like there's a fence that she can't get over.

[B]

She can't hop the fence.

[A]

This hill is like a four foot hill. This officer is trying to get up the hill, but she keeps falling down.

[B]

Tripping all over themselves.

[A]

It is. And then apparently Caitlyn makes a break for it.

[B]

Mortifying for everybody.

[A]

She gets a mile away. I mean, she gets a mile. She almost got away again.

[B]

Yeah. And then she can't hop the fence. And that's how they get her.

[A]

We're back with Mariah's mom for a minute and this, this was what got me. This is like, the first time I watched it that I, Like, I couldn't take it.

[B]

The more that can be thankful for

[A]

the fact that

[B]

I know that we had Mariah here for 25 years, the

[A]

more I can give thanks for that and.

[B]

And not focus on the loss.

[A]

That is a highly therapized person's way of getting through this.

[B]

Well, because she's. She talks about too, like, getting through the mud to the other end, not ignoring it, like, being in the dirty,

[A]

sad, ugly parts because, you know, we're going to go through the trial and all that in a minute. And you can be as mad as you want at the person who did it, but at the end of the day, you have to wake up and live with yourself and you have to, like, have your family and have your life. And I was just thinking about, like, trying to be grateful for the 25 years that they had her rather than focusing on the loss of her. That is the work of a lifetime.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I was thinking about Ethan Chapin's parents talking about how, like, they had, you know, one week of we did it.

[B]

Yeah, I know, like, high fiving in the car.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, I'm never leaving my house again. I'm just staying home with my daughter.

[B]

And look like that doesn't work for everyone. I'm so glad it works for them. But some people, like, we've seen where it's like, no, the anger gets me out of the. Out of bed in the morning and I solve the fucking murder.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like, it depends on grief is a crazy, crazy thing.

[A]

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[A]

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[B]

It's October 30, 2023, the first day of the trial, and Caitlin pleads not guilty.

[A]

And the thing is that we have to remember there's no direct evidence and no eyewitnesses. And, like, we know these are the things that, like, juries like. So everybody's sort of like, we think we got her. We think we have a good case, but who knows here?

[B]

I think there's plenty. I understand being cautiously optimistic. I get it. But, yeah, the data doesn't lie.

[A]

Her attorney says that information will come out that Caitlyn was nowhere near the crime scene at the time of the murder. That never happens.

[B]

No, that.

[A]

That's a. That's a promise that is not delivered on.

[B]

No, you fell for it, attorney. You're just lying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Cash testifies. She's the second person on the stand. And she just explains that, like, I just became hyper focused. I went into this, like, zone of this is the most important thing I could possibly do in my life. I want to see justice served, and I want to do my absolute best for my friend. She just wanted to do the absolute best she could for her friend.

[A]

And she says when she stepped down from the stand, she looked directly into Caitlyn's eyes, and she's like, there was nothing there. Just a void.

[B]

Nothing. And so the killer dragged Mariah's bike into the weeds. And the motivation, they're just sort of saying, like, either as a way to just be rude and just be a dick or to, like, make it look like a robbery. Either way, it's ghoulish.

[A]

Yeah. And then they wheel the bike in as evidence. And even before the family said it, I was like. Like, the bike is the living embodiment of Mariah. The bike was everything to her. It was her joy. It was like it was who she was. And to see this defense attorney, and I think he's doing it deliberately.

[B]

Like, he's manhandling it.

[A]

I was thinking he's like, he's trying to break the spell of the bike. You know what I mean? He's trying to, like. To, like, to the jury, be like, it's just a bike. It's not a per. But like, the family, the dad, like, being the family sitting in the gallery at Your daughter's murder trial.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You must feel so powerless. You must feel so helpless. And to see this man deliberately trying to manhandle this bike, that is, like, the most important, like, remaining piece of your kid. I was enraged because even.

[B]

Let's just say he's her. He's the defense attorney. So even if his client didn't do it, she did. Mariah was still brutally murdered.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So don't you know, like, someone did that guy. So to try to dehumanize her in some way is just so shitty. And it makes you a bad lawyer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you're still not respecting or owning the fact that, like, something happened, something horrible happened here. My client didn't do it. However, we have to get the person who did.

[A]

Whatever. Yeah.

[B]

Like, to, like, throw that bike around is just such an asshole.

[A]

And he was clearly doing it on purpose.

[B]

And look, I don't even know what argument he's trying to make in this moment because it's just a bunch of word salad, but guess what?

[A]

When they recovered the bicycle, they had processed it for DNA and fingerprints.

[B]

I asked them to process a couple

[A]

other spots or items on the bike just to be sure. We compared it with the DNA that we collected from Caitlyn. That comparison showed that Caitlyn's DNA was actually on the bicycle.

[B]

Caitlyn's DNA is all over the bike.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So shut up. And so. But now we're at home with most family talking shit about Caitlyn. And obviously I'd be doing the same.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they just say, like, she looks like a stone. And they're like, is there any softness in her anywhere? Or is she all stone? Is she even flat, flesh and blood? Or is she just, like, stone?

[A]

I just wonder what she was like in life before this. Like, what was she like to hang out with?

[B]

And I think it's interesting because we do have her friend here to say, like, she wasn't always like this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, this really shitty, toxic relationship did a number on her. Not. No one's defending her or justifying her, but, like, there. There are things here that happened to her that changed her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That, I mean, according to her friend, you know, like to say she wasn't always like this.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So day three, Colin Strickland takes the stand. He walks in mask and sunglasses, like, trying to obsc. His face.

[B]

He brought a dog, his emotional support pup, which is like, sometimes I feel

[A]

like the dog should have a say in this.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Dogs happen to bad people all the Time.

[A]

And it's this tiny, adorable little puppy that, like, has to be his emotional support dog because he has a.

[B]

He's an. Has an attitude, a major attitude. Not the dog. God. Perfect, living, breathing angel. But, like, everyone is pissed at Colin because he played a part in this and he didn't pull the trigger. But, like, he manipulated both of these women and he was an asshole. And so, like, for him to be slumped over and looking away and falling asleep like, Ricky, the prosecutor says I wanted to say to him, come on, dude, don't you want to help Mariah?

[A]

Yeah, like, you're the one who has all the information here.

[B]

Why are you being difficult? And, like, this is when we get sort of this round robin of, like, the lawyers, experts and friends saying, like, Colin ended up in the middle of some very unfortunate events. I don't think that he ever anticipated or intended for things to happen the way that they did. But I also don't think that we can look at what happened without acknowledging his involvement. Kalin is the killer, but we have to acknowledge Colin's involvement in what happened here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because he is there. There was involvement.

[A]

Yeah. I just think that, like, to, like, for it to escalate to murder, like, there's something wrong with her.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Like, people do bad things. You know what I mean? And, like, I'm not defending his behavior. Like, nobody should treat their partner the way that he was treating these two people. But, like, it's a far leap for me. Like, I can absolutely agree this is a bad guy, and I would not want anybody that I love dating this guy. But to, like, to say that he, like, I mean, we don't know what happened behind closed doors. There's a part of me that feels like he was even involved. So, like, in that regard, then I can say, like, sure, like, there's a lot of evidence here that he was helping her. But if he didn't and he really didn't know anything, I don't know, like, the, like, the connecting it to the murder, that's too far for me.

[B]

I just think that there. There's, like, some involvement.

[A]

I agree that, like, people can be pushed to do bad things. I absolutely agree. But, like, it's just. I mean, the murder is so, like, I also really find it hard to believe that she wasn't always like this. I find it like, we only have one of her friends here telling us that she wasn't always like this. I bet we could find 15 people that were like, no, she was always really off.

[B]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, what's so shitty about it? Because again, I'm not defending her by any, any stretch, but, like, when was she wrong, Colin? She was right about what she was accusing you of. You know, like, you have women in your phone as. And if, if you think Mariah is the only person he was fudgeing around

[A]

with when, like, look, they're both adults, Caitlin and Colin, 100%. And so, like, when toxic people are in a toxic relationship and they don't get out of it. I don't know what to tell you. Like, these were two consenting adults in a toxic relationship who stayed in it. So it's sort of like I've had friends in my life that have been toxic people in a toxic relationship that I like. And I feel like the friends scatter fast because it's like, like impossible. It's. It's impossible. And I like, I agree with you that Colin is, like, not a good guy. I would not want him dating my sister. But I like, in the end, like, when we will get to him in a few minutes, I think he's very sorry and I think that, like, like, these are mistakes that he takes accountability for, you know?

[B]

Okay, well, Pamela's here. I love Pamela.

[A]

I'm not defending him. I don't want him dating, like, don't date this guy. Bad news. But, like, I just. It's too far of a leap for me to say that. Like, two toxic people in a relationship and then she goes and kills somebody. Like, I don't know. That's. I don't know how we can, like, say it. Like, it's. I know you're not saying it's his fault, but it's. She's responsible for her own actions.

[B]

Of course. I just don't. He had a role to play and, and the deterioration. Deterioration of what happened. I think, I think, like, I'm not saying a 99% role, but, like, he was part of this a little bit. So in my opinion, anyway, yeah, so Pamela's here. She's a criminal intelligence.

[A]

I love her. So smart.

[B]

She's awesome. She's the last witness for the prosecution. She's going to wrap this all up in a very digestible bow for the jury.

[A]

And can I just give props to the Netflix, like, documentary team because, like, the infographics they use here is. It's, like, beautiful to look at.

[B]

It's great. So Colin has Mariah in his phone as Christine Wall is just what she drops in. Before we get into the nitty gritty

[A]

of this, I wonder, like, where that name comes from.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

He was probably sitting there, he was like, oh, Christine's a hot name. And he's staring at a wall, the fucking derp. And he's like, I'll just do that.

[A]

Like John Glass.

[B]

Yeah. George Class.

[A]

George Glass.

[B]

It's not a George Glass at our school. So the day of the murder, it's 5:45, Colin asks Mariah if you should come over to Cash's place to hang out. And Mo says, sure. So Pam the expert says Caitlin did have access to a lot of his information and there was an iPad at home and she more than likely would be able to see all of this texting between Colin and Mariah. Caitlyn definitely knew about the texts because again, like, false, like fake name be damned. But she had access to his iPad and the texts, you guys like, went to the iPad.

[A]

She's literally sitting on the couch scrolling the text in real time.

[B]

Like, not only is Colin a dick, he's also bad at this.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Or he loves the drama. Either way, he's making stupid decisions.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So here's what Pam the expert lays out. At 7:15, Caitlin, the girlfriend is in her car driving downtown. And so she knows exactly where Colin and Mo are going to be.

[A]

And she's like looking like we see them. Her, like drive very. Like she can see them.

[B]

Yeah. And they say like they. She knows that they'll either be at Cash's house or at this burger joint. And so the GPS were told. Kind of looks like Caitlin isn't sure what she wants to do. She's kind of in between places or driving around and just not unclear right now. But then she parks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she's kind of there for a few minutes. And so Pam, our expert is like, that must have been when she's kind of deciding her next move.

[A]

Like the gun in the car with her.

[B]

Because then she turns her phone off.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And that doesn't matter either because the GPS on the car tracked everything.

[A]

The fun machine or whatever it's called, infotainment.

[B]

And so GPS shows that she went directly to Cash's house and she's like circling the area, like waiting, like stalking them, like hunting them.

[A]

Right. Because they say that like Caitlyn sees Colin drop Mariah off. She's sitting there waiting for Colin to leave, and she goes. And we know what happens next. Like we know from the ring camera, like when exactly the murder happened.

[B]

Yeah. And this is deliberate. Like the. The data doesn't lie here. This is very clear and deliberate.

[A]

Two gunshots, one to the front of the head, one to the side of the head. And after four or five seconds, something Collins. Katelyn Armstrong stood over Mo Wilson, put a third shot right in Mo Wilson's hall. And then there's the six second pause for Caitlyn to stand over her body and then shoot her directly in the heart.

[B]

And also. What? Ha. Like, Colin leaves Cash's house the second he's away from Mariah. He texts Caitlyn, quote, all done with my errand. Want to get something to eat? Colin, you, like, didn't you say earlier you wanted to use Mo to get Caitlyn mad at you and so you can get rid of Caitlin? And, like, now you're doing this.

[A]

But then if he's like, assuming that she's been reading the text anyway, then, like, he assumes that she knows. Like, it's all. It's all horrible.

[B]

God. So Caitlin doesn't answer, and by 9:15, she has murdered Mariah Wilson.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just awful. So the verdict comes in. She's found guilty of murder, 90 years and a $10,000 fine.

[A]

I know. Meanwhile, the bailiff is sneezing, like, while they're reading the verdict. Like, the bailiff is, like, sneezing through. Like, it was not the best moment

[B]

for a sneeze into the elbow pit. Stifle it as much as possible.

[A]

Truly. I was like, you can do it. I know, I know. Like, what an inopportune moment for a sneeze.

[B]

It's possible to sneeze quietly. I know many dads struggle with that.

[A]

I.

[B]

Yes, many dads, older men.

[A]

One of the dads in my house struggles with that. It's. You're not looking at it.

[B]

Loud sneezer.

[A]

He doesn't do it on purpose. Well,

[B]

here's my question to all the loud. Yeah, Sneezers. Men out there. Like, what is it? Why are you choosing to do it that way and not any other way?

[A]

There's no question that sneezing is a full body experience. Like, it's. It is a. It is a bizarre phenomenon that the human body experiences. Like, what even is a sn. It's so weird.

[B]

Right? But I am telling you from experience, you can sneeze quietly.

[A]

I agree with you.

[B]

It's absolutely possible.

[A]

I know it to be true.

[B]

Like, it's a choice that I make.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm just curious why people don't make that choice.

[A]

I don't know. You know, I don't know.

[B]

Do you jump out of your skin when he does it? Is it that. Is it that level?

[A]

Yes, they can be.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it's like. It's that thing where, like, it's. Now every time it happens, I have to leave the room because I'm annoyed.

[B]

So what do you do? Like, have you mentioned it?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Okay. This is not his first time.

[A]

No. And now it's like, I leave the room and he knows, and it's like. And then we just don't talk for five minutes and then we go back to normal. But, like, it's. Yeah, I don't. I. I'm with you on this.

[B]

And look, sometimes sneezes come out of nowhere and you're like, oh, my God. I get that. But like, when It's a repe.

[A]

No, I know.

[B]

When you have, like, a ritual of what happens. Like, he sneezes, I'm annoyed. I leave the room. Like, we gotta.

[A]

Have you done the. Like, it's like the. It's like a. Like it hits him like a wave.

[B]

See, that feels performative when people do that. I've seen it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

My dad's not the quietest sneezer. I know, I know. I know what I'm talking about. Okay, but I'm just saying I don't really get like. Because I know it's possible.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Again, I'm not talking about a violent snease where you're like, oh, my God,

[A]

I don't know what happened. You've heard a sneeze that results in a nosebleed? I've had that. No. Oh, yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I don't understand why we have to sneeze anyway.

[B]

One sneeze and you just, like, sneeze

[A]

in the right climate, where it's like

[B]

you just sneeze and blood went everywhere.

[A]

No, like, I sneeze and then like, three seconds later, there's blood. Cuz, like, it's something. It. It burst a blood vessel.

[B]

That's nuts.

[A]

It's an insane sneeze. I know.

[B]

I picture you sneezing and blood goes everywhere.

[A]

It's just like a.

[B]

It's like. And then Dexter coming.

[A]

No, my sneezes, they're not dainty, but they're normal. Normal. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. I just don't understand. Anyway, it's crazy.

[A]

Caitlyn's mom gets on the stand and she gives an impact statement, and she's so calm. She knows exactly what she wants to say, and she's like. She was an amazing listener.

[B]

She would have cared about your feelings. She was a caring empathetic.

[A]

Person. If you allowed yourself to actually know

[B]

her, you never, ever would have wanted to hurt her. When you shot Mariah in the heart, you shot me in my heart.

[A]

When you shot her in the heart, you shot me in the heart.

[B]

Yeah. And it was like, so. It was so senseless and so shocking and. And then it's the big question of, like, do you ever really know any. Anyone? Right? Like, can you know anybody?

[A]

Her own brother is like, am I capable of this? Are you capable of this? Is anybody just. And the answer is no, by the way. The answer is absolutely fucking not.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, we learn that and meet the parents. Can you ever really trust another human being, Greg? And he says, yes. And Robert De Niro goes, answer is, you cannot.

[A]

Wow. Like, that's dark. That and the pigeons all in one episode. It's real bad dark in here today.

[B]

But in the final moments of the doc, we're at home with Colin and his cute dog. Hi, sweetheart.

[A]

Yes. All I'm saying, my only thing that I'm saying about Colin in this moment is that I don't think that Colin ever could have imagined that his, like, his actions could have led to what happened. And in my opinion, they didn't. In my opinion, he treated two women very poorly, and he's a shitty guy. And I think that he's just here to say, like, I, he's like, I live in my shop. I don't do anything now. I stay in my shop. I feel shame about everything that I did and everything that led to this. I wish I had never met any one of these people. And I believe him. You don't have to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, like, you know, I think that he's a broken person for the rest of time now.

[B]

Sure. You know, I, My, my just opinion is that it felt in that, in this moment that I just want to say, like, I feel like he's not 100% getting it. Like it was a situation that he perpetuated that contributed to a tragedy.

[A]

That is a statement I told. Totally agree with.

[B]

That's just what I feel. And I feel like he's not really. He's not there yet. He's not.

[A]

I mean, he says, like, I feel shame about everything I did. You know, I'm, I, I'm not defending him. And we can move on from this. Like, we don't have to go over this all again. But, like, I get it. Like, I get it. He's a bad guy and he was in a relationship and this. And this thing happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, Mariah wouldn't be dead if Colin hadn't been born. That's a statement. That is true.

[B]

Woof. Well, Cash decided to stay in the house where Mariah was murdered.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she explains why. So she goes into. She's showing us awesome thing that she found in a thrift store. And there was, like, a wall of 300 frames. And, like, at random, she picks one, and it has a little bike going out of the frame, which feels really appropriate for what was happening at the moment. It's got a bloom over here, so there's some hope going on. And then it says, with you all the way. And I just kind of was totally overcome when I saw this. And she picked this out at random of 300. So she. Yeah. How could she not buy it? We also get a zoom on a candle called what the actual fuck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Smells like an existential crisis. Love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But Cash says, you know, everyone assumed that she wouldn't move back in the house, and she was very reluctant to do that. But she explains that she felt this strong connection because there were so many good memories there. And she says that because Mariah had such a beautiful last day in the house, that that was sacred to Cash. She wanted to protect that space. And she wants to, like, feel and harness Mariah's joy and, like, use that. And she says that she thinks she'd be. That Mariah would be proud that she didn't just, like, give up and run away from, but she's, like, trying to protect their space together.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is not a decision everyone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would make. You know, that's a very, very specific thing, but I think it just speaks to, like, their friendship. And then it ends, like, we should definitely play some of this. But it ends with a voiceover actor reading from Mariah's journal. I like, for the love of the thing, you know, she's calling.

[A]

She calls, like, biking the emptying.

[B]

This is one of the feelings I believe every bike racer lives for. The emptying. It's a beautiful paradox. Emptying herself can be such a fulfilling experience. This is always one of my favorite parts about racing, and I'm already looking forward to more of these moments.

[A]

She calls it a beautiful paradox. And, like, this, again, was when I was like, the music is killing me.

[B]

It's like, the feeling she lives for.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She's so good at it. And, like, see someone who's just, like, so good at something they love to do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, oh, my God.

[A]

And it's so also, like, solitary, you know?

[B]

Yeah. It's Very. It could be very meditative. Yeah, sure.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we learned. In 2023, the Wilson family established the Mariah Wilson foundation to honor Mariah's life and legacy, continuing the impact she hoped to have in her communities. Promotes healthy living, community building by supporting organizations dedicated to expanding access to recreation, sports, educational programs. And then we end with a ride for Mo. Her brother is a biking coach now, and they. He does like A ride for Mo. And it's like, I don't know. This documentary was so beautiful.

[B]

Yeah. Very well done.

[A]

And it was like. The music was so amazing. And really, the music really got me in this one. And that's it. You should go watch it.

[B]

You should go watch it.

[A]

Oh, girl. We did the Truth and Tragedy of Mariah Wilson on Netflix. So good. What are we doing after this?

[B]

Okay, and now for something completely different. Untold Chessmates. We're going to the scandal of the chess world.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Someone super insufferable. A couple. You'll probably have a crush on one of them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And we're just like, it's a scandal in the chess world. Nobody dies.

[A]

I can play a little chess now.

[B]

Yeah, me too. So.

[A]

All right, cool. We'll see what happens.

[B]

I know, like the Queen's Gambit opening, which is like the most famous.

[A]

No, I don't even know that.

[B]

With the pawns. And then you control the center. Anyway, it doesn't. I. Nowhere near this level of chess. People who seem very serious and don't want to have any fun.

[A]

Oh, God. All right, well, we will.

[B]

We will.

[A]

So stay tuned for the trailer for that fam. And we love you.

[B]

We love you. Please stay safe out there.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

My entire life and career has been destroyed. And I'll have to live with the fact that every conversation I have about chess will eventually discuss anal beads. Cheating has been happening in chess for hundreds of years. I felt that I was not playing a human. He's entered a level of paranoia that is not like, sane. We had Magnus Carlsen, the greatest of all time. I've been the best player in the world for 13 years. I only know when I sit down at the board. I am better than the other guy. The young, talented American with an insane amount of self confidence. I am a God. He's got bravado. The range is not for the camera.

[B]

You missed it all.

[A]

Can't be a nice guy to be a champion. Unfortunately, Carlsen lost to this younger player, sending the chess world into chaos. They were paranoid, thinking he was getting help from somewhere else. He could have gotten a signal. Maybe it was anal beeps. Don't understand how you could even think that would be possible.