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Tracy
Girl, the gays can't even have Grindr anymore. Like, we have one nice thing and we can't even have that anymore.
Patty
Happy bride, June 2nd. It's already ruined.
Tracy
Hi, Julia Bazvalli.
Patty
Hello. Patrick Hines. Fam.
Tracy
We have a Discord. Tell them everything.
Patty
It's a Discord server and there are a bunch of channels on the server. And we hang out and we talk about true crime stuff, or not true crime stuff. And there are all these different channels and everyone's really nice. Yeah, it's just a fun little party.
Tracy
We also have a Facebook group. It's the True Crime Obsessed podcast discussion group on the Facebook. It's highly moderated. It's super fun. People love going in there, talking about the episodes. It's a great place to go and just, like, meet other true crime friends and, you know, hang out with us a little bit.
Patty
Hang out?
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
It's just a party all around.
Tracy
It's a party all around. Speaking of a party, what are we talking about today?
Patty
Oh, God.
Tracy
I know.
Patty
It's called Faking It. You know that series, Faking It. We've done this before. It's from the uk, but Faking it. The Grinder Killer scandal. It is on hbo. Max.
Carrie Danes
This is one of the most shocking cases of serial murder in modern times.
Ryan Edwards
He killed four men. For years, Stephen Port had been taking advantage of the anonymous world of gay hookup sites like Grindr and Fit Lads. Stephen messaged me, hey, neighbor, come over and meet my new guy. And drugged seven more, raping four.
Carrie Danes
The police missed every single opportunity to catch him.
Ryan Edwards
Shocking, in fact, almost unbelievable that the case was handled so poorly by the Met.
Patty
They just thought that Jack was gay and a druggie and that was it.
Carrie Danes
Stephen Poor is incredibly immature and childlike. And the web of deceit is like an X rated version of Jack and Ori. It's beyond belief.
Patty
That sick, twisted scumbag will never be able to hurt or destroy anyone else's spot, family or life.
Tracy
Can I. Can we. Can I just.
Patty
Oh, God.
Tracy
Just to get.
Patty
Oh, God.
Tracy
Just to get us started, can I just say one thing?
Patty
Yeah.
Tracy
What is going on with these experts? I really. Okay. The one. The lady who's great. They're both great. We need all the people doing all the things to get the people. But like the body language expert. Am I a body language expert? Like what?
Patty
No.
Tracy
What is. Like when you got a killer, which we have in an interrogation room who's shaken his leg, and the body language expert wants us to know that only he, the Body language expert can tell us. And if he weren't here, we wouldn't know that the shaking of the leg implies that the killer who's being questioned about the four murders that he almost got away with is feeling stressed.
Patty
It's a little fluff. Like this Faking it series. This story is super important to be told. They all are. We did Grace Milane and. But they have to be introduced. Like superheroes, like the Watcher, the this, the that, and like, sometimes I'm into that, but sometimes it's a little bit like you're stretching to get the 45 minutes.
Tracy
Yeah, but stretching it. But this is a good episode. I really like this episode. So we open in Barking, east London. It's September 12, 2015.
Ryan Edwards
It's 10.22am The CCTV footage may look routine, but it's deceptive. The tall blonde man has just bought illegal drugs.
Narrator
It's not cannabis or speed. It's ghb, a well known date rape drug.
Patty
Which is a known date rape drug.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
And now the voiceover's like, it's not cannabis, it's not speed, but ghb.
Tracy
Excuse me, look, running down the list of all the known gay drugs.
Patty
Please do not put cannabis in the same category as speed.
Tracy
I ordered ghb. Like, oh, my God.
Patty
Like, that is a very different thing. Can everybody lighten up? I know it's 2015, but my God.
Tracy
And it's pride.
Patty
We've been smoking weed since the beginning of time.
Tracy
It's true. Give me a minute. Now we're eating it out of tins.
Patty
Oh, snit gummies.
Tracy
Exactly, please. So it's September 13, 2015, 2:50am It's 16 hours later after this piece of shit bought the GHB. This guy meets another man at the train station. And one of the cameras shows the other guy's face. This guy's name is Jack Taylor.
Patty
He's in his early 20s. He lived with his parents. He was a forklift driver.
Tracy
I was like, okay, Jack, Yeah.
Patty
He was on Grindr.
Tracy
Hang on a second. Jack, the gay forklift driver.
Patty
Taylor.
Tracy
Jack.
Patty
What kind of name is that? Jack Kelly.
Tracy
Exactly.
Patty
Newsy.
Tracy
Oh, my God. But like the gay Best way. That's complimentary Driver from, like, East London. Jack.
Patty
I know Jack. I know he's gay. He's on Grindr.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
And that is where he met a piece of shit named Steven Port.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
So Jack Taylor was drugged with this GHB awfulness and then he was murdered. And right at the top, we learned Stephen Port did this with numerous men and murdered four of them and gets
Tracy
away with it for a long time. So this whole episode is gonna be about all of like the very, very, very obvious connections between these dead gay men and how the police willfully ignored it.
Patty
Too much gay shit.
Tracy
Yeah, too much gay shit. We meet Carrie Danes. She's a profiler. I'm gonna allow it.
Patty
Specialty forensic psychology.
Tracy
Like, she makes some good points. She says some things I was not prepared to hear this woman say.
Patty
Well, the first thing she says is the police missed every single opportunity to catch him. To which I say, of course, of course.
Tracy
She says, this is one of the most shocking cases of serial murder in modern times. And it's true. Like, it is so fucking obvious what's happening here. It's unbelievable.
Patty
It's willful ignorance at this point.
Tracy
Yes. So one month later, it's October 17, 2015. Stephen Port is questioned.
Ryan Edwards
Port's personal computer had revealed disturbing details at Jack Taylor's last hours.
Cliff Lansley
He's now being quizzed on the searches that they found on his computer. Using words like boy, drugged, rape.
Ryan Edwards
Why are you searching for boy, drugged rape?
Patty
Just generally looking for general porn. So these, this is the type of disturbing material we're finding on his computer. Just to let you know.
Tracy
Also just like googling with wild abandon and like, can you imagine putting those words into your computer even I won't do that.
Patty
I like. And my Google search history is how
Tracy
long does it take for a body to decompose out of context?
Patty
I should be on every list.
Tracy
How long does it take to die having been set on fire?
Patty
Like, but you should be on a,
Tracy
on a no fly. Which basically you are. Oh, thank God.
Patty
That would just alleviate. So I will can't on the no fly.
Tracy
I know you're on a self imposed no fly.
Patty
Sorry. But the point is, hours later, this piece of shit did exactly what he was Google searching to Jack Taylor. So like, come on
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Patty
Cute.
Tracy
Cute. So now we meet Cliff Lansley, specialty body language. He's the watcher, this one. I said, am I allowed to ask, like, how seriously do we have to take this guy?
Patty
Then we meet the listener who's Professor Dawn Archer, specialty linguistics.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
And they are analyzing the video of the killer being questioned, and they say that he's minimizing statements with just. I was just looking for. Just general porn.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
Let me tell you, I am beyond guilty of overusing the word just. I notice it so much. It's something I'm actively working on, at least in writing.
Tracy
Give me an example.
Patty
I would literally say, like, I was just looking for. I do it. So when they said it, I was like, oh, God, yeah. That is something I definitely catch myself doing.
Tracy
Yeah. And, like. Because what he's trying to say.
Patty
I'm not a murderer.
Tracy
No, he. What he's trying to say is, like, yes, I understand that this boy was drugged and raped and killed. And that was the Google search that was found on my computer five minutes ago. But I didn't kill this kid. I was just looking for porn. I have to say something. If this is the kind of porn that you are searching for, you need to have a really serious conversation.
Patty
We have a problem.
Tracy
And I'm not kink shaming anybody. Like. Like, do all the stuff you want to do with consent with other people. But, like, that is. That is concerning.
Patty
Well, and because the. The operative word here. Did I use that phrase right? Is boy.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
Not man. What one could argue is like a fantasy. Whatever. I don't want to get into the kink shaming either, but boy, I think very much stands out here and should raise a whole lot of red flags.
Tracy
Yeah. So the body language guy is like,
Cliff Lansley
and the minimizer of the word just. And the double sided hand shrug. That gesture contradicts the words that you're saying. We've also got the head shakes, six micro headshake, nose from only five words. Just searching for random videos. We've got seven indicators of deception. This is definitely a lie.
Patty
Everything is a tell that this guy does. The way he's holding his hands, the way he shrugs, the way he shakes his head.
Tracy
No, the thing about this is we're gonna learn eventually that, like, this is the guy being caught. We're gonna go back through, like, the last 14 months of all the things that he did that he didn't get caught for. This guy just got caught. He knows he got caught. I don't know why we need a body language expert to tell us that the serial murderer who just got busted in shaking his knees is like. Is experiencing stress.
Patty
String two words together, three words together to make a sentence. But he, the expert goes in five. In seven seconds, using only five words. We have seven indicators of deception. Like, that's one deception per second.
Tracy
We all need any of. We got the guy. You know what I mean? By this point, we got the guy. I understand.
Patty
Hope he. I hope his stomach is in his butt. I hope he feels terrible. I hope he's anxious.
Tracy
You know what I hope? I hope he feels relieved. I hope that he feels like, thank God they got me and I don't have to do this anymore.
Patty
I'd rather him be miserable.
Tracy
I would rather him be miserable too. But it's just like, at least it's over. People are safe, and no one else is gonna die. So they say to him, like, while you were googling this stuff, you were doing all this while Jack Taylor was dead or dying? And that he, like, is changing the subject. He's avoiding the words. He's trying not to talk about the very obvious thing that they just got him for. Right?
Patty
So then we rewind 16 months because the cops let this guy commit three other murders before Jack Taylor.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
And the craziest thing is that they first heard about the murder when Stephen Port, the killer himself, called it in. And then, am I even in my notes? I'm like, wait, no, wait. Now they're telling us the killer's backstory.
Tracy
Right?
Patty
So we'll get back to the phone call. They drop it in. And I was all ready to, like, take notes on the phone call. Nope, we're going back to learn about the killer.
Tracy
Not yet.
Patty
I guess we'll get back to the call.
Carrie Danes
We learn Stephen Port. When he was young, he was described as quiet, quite shy, a bit of a loner, certainly introverted. He'd gone to art college for a while before training as a chef. Now, he hadn't come out as gay until he was in his late 20s.
Tracy
I am not defending this man's behavior by any stretch, but, like, being forced to stay in the closet and hide who you are and pretend to be somebody else will do a fucking number on you. Sure. There is a real epidemic of like, men hating, like, gay men hating themselves. Gay men, like, not being able to be in good, solid relationships because of the way that the world forces them to be. And that was this guy's experience.
Patty
And like, look at how many of them aren't murderers.
Tracy
Truly, truly. This guy worked as a sex worker, like during his 20s while he was
Patty
living with his parents. So I don't know how like, hidden this all was.
Tracy
I love that Carrie. She. This is just the beginning. He lived with his parents at the time. I imagine that put a damper on his sex life though. Hearing her say some of these words in her British accent is so amusing to me.
Patty
Yeah. He finally moved out when he was in his 30s.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
Now, Ryan Edwards is his neighbor. And the killer, we, we are told, was very childlike, especially about his birthday. So Ryan tells this story.
Tracy
This is wild.
Patty
He, Ryan the neighbor was throwing a party the night of the killer's birthday. Not a party for the killer, just a party. Yes. And Ryan is like, shit, that 35 year old who lives next door to me who's super weird about his birthday, like, I guess I should get him something.
Tracy
But he finds the gift of the garbage.
Patty
He finds a toy fire truck for a child in the trash room of his building.
Tracy
He's literally taking out like the empties and finds a toy truck.
Patty
Let me say this all again. I want you to really understand it.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
Ryan threw a party on this guy's birthday, but it wasn't for him.
Tracy
No. The guy wasn't even invited to the party that wasn't for his birthday.
Patty
At the very end of the night, as a total afterthought, Ryan doesn't want to deal with the fallout of not wishing this 35 year old a happy birthday because he's a fucking weirdo about his birthday. He took a discarded child's toy, probably broken out of the garbage. Yeah. Gave it to a grown ass man who's very weird about his birthday, who also happens to be a serial killer.
Tracy
Yeah, we don't know that yet.
Patty
Right. But he Is, but he is.
Ryan Edwards
And Ryan says, when everyone arrived in the party, I presented Stephen with this toy truck. He sat down cross legged and would back the toy truck up and down the floor just like a child would. He was oblivious to the party going on around him. Just like a child presented with a
Patty
new toy, plays with it on the floor like he's six years old. Yes.
Tracy
He's like, like, like rooming it back and forth.
Patty
And I gotta tell ya, that's honestly the least of our problems. It is, cause we're about to learn some really shitty things about him. But can you imagine?
Tracy
Like, no.
Patty
Like we see a picture of him
Tracy
holding the truck by. He loves this.
Patty
I have to like appease this 35 year old who's weird about his birthday.
Tracy
I know, I know. I couldn't agree more. So we learned that Port the killer was very active on gay dating sites and gay escort sites. Yeah. He had a particularly dark fetish for something called somnophilia, which is a preference for sex with someone who is sleeping or in Port's case, unconscious.
Patty
Now I think calling it a fetish is inaccurate because.
Tracy
I couldn't agree more.
Patty
The dictionary of psychology classifies it as predatory because the whole thing, how could it not be? The whole thing is about power, dominance, control and most importantly, lack of consent.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
So I. This is not a fetish. Whoever said that? Whatever. Expert.
Tracy
Well, Carrie, who I like. And she also says the thing about the person being unconscious, especially as it pertains to this killer, is that like the, the person is like quote, not going to judge.
Patty
You know, I think that's a cop out. I think it's more about the consent. Like instead of being like, no, no, no, I'm not like raping them, they're just not judging me. Like, whoa.
Tracy
Yeah, yeah.
Patty
You want them to be unconscious or asleep. Like, no, no, no, that's not a fetish. That's predatory.
Tracy
All of the 10 years I've never understood this idea. Obviously it is barbaric and it is like monstrous to have sex with somebody. But like as the, as the person doing the horrible thing. What, what is joyful about that?
Patty
I don't know. I, I can't really.
Tracy
I'm looking to you in the eyes for answers. Tell me girl.
Patty
Can't really. No, I don't even know. I, I think all of these people are so miserable. I don't really think there's, there's joy necessarily. I think it's. Maybe he's, he's like translating it in his head that like, oh, they're not judging me, but like, you're raping people.
Tracy
Raping people like you. This is where the episode takes one of many left turns.
Patty
You' favorite part.
Tracy
This is my favorite part, hands down. Ryan, the next door neighbor, he's here to be like. And we see all of these pictures of the killer. Ryan's neighbor, he's like, over the years, his hair changed a lot.
Patty
Well, he's very, very vain and obsessed with his appearance.
Carrie Danes
He's somebody who is advertising himself on dating sites. And so of course he's going to want to put his best face forward. But unfortunately he's going bald. In fact, he pretty much as bald as a coot.
Tracy
Bald as a coot.
Patty
So from theidioms.com I was like, I gotta know. A coot is a water bird which has a marking on its head that gives an appearance of being bald.
Tracy
Okay.
Patty
And it has feather. It does have feather. The website wants you to know it's not bald. It has feathers. But it is. It's the way it looks from a distance that kind of gives the impression of baldness. And this phrase has been in existence since 1430.
Tracy
Oh, it was downright Shakespearean.
Patty
Bald as a coot.
Tracy
The thing about it is that we see all of the pictures of the different hairstyles and they look good. Like the. And I was telling you before we started there, I went through a period where I was getting served all of these, like, male wig options.
Patty
I was gonna say, did you say he's wearing wigs? Because they're all wigs.
Tracy
They're all. That's what I'm saying. They're all wigs. But they look good. Like he's got cool floppy hair and it's all different colors and different styles. And like, there was a time I'm like, should I just shave my head and get my dream hair?
Patty
I mean, they're telling us that he's so self conscious about the wigs. I'm like, there's nothing to be self conscious about, you fucking weirdo.
Tracy
A there's nothing to be self conscious about.
Patty
And get all the wigs.
Tracy
It's also just, I don't know, I know a lot of very vain gay men. That's almost all the gay men that I know. I don't know a single one of us that's gone all the way wig.
Patty
Let me ask you something, because I think wigs are again, not anything to be self. Like, have fun, do your thing.
Tracy
Nobody thinks of it. I got it. For men, you think about, like, Maybe a toupee or you get hair plugs or something.
Patty
What I was going to ask you was about, do you know anyone who's gotten hair plugs?
Tracy
Yeah, I do.
Patty
Do they look good?
Tracy
Well, the thing is, the hair plugs have really evolved, and I'm probably going to get them eventually because you. You go to Istanbul and you get the good hair surgery. There are literal FL lights full of men going and then coming back a couple of days later unrecognizable. You go. You go to Istanbul for the hair surgery, and you look ridiculous for, like, two weeks or whatever.
Patty
But you can see, like.
Tracy
No, you can't. Like, you can right away because they've done surgery on you. But, like, I. I know two men that I can think of, both of them extremely handsome, who have gotten the. The surgery. So many men get this surgery. I'm totally gonna get it as soon as I need it, which is probably a couple years ago, I would imagine, but.
Patty
Yeah.
Tracy
And it's also very bloody. And you have to wrap your head in, like, in scarves and stuff. Beauty is.
Patty
Oh, well, tell me about it.
Tracy
I know.
Patty
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Tracy
Oh, God. Oh, yeah. I told you about the nitrous.
Patty
So I've never been happier.
Tracy
Yeah, yeah. Nitrous is, like, the stuff.
Patty
Okay, man.
Tracy
But the thing is, like, I've seen these wigs. Like, you literally, like, you. You pull them out of the thing, you put it on your. Hey, you know, and, like, it looks like your real hair. Maybe one day I'm gonna come in.
Patty
You gotta really take care of those girls.
Tracy
I'm gonna come in with hair like yours one day.
Patty
Okay, great.
Tracy
And it's gonna look natural again.
Patty
Like, where are the wigs? Do you pair them? Like, they can be awesome, but this guy sucks.
Tracy
This guy really sucks.
Patty
So his mug sh taken without a wig. And I'm like, oh, he must have hated that.
Tracy
You know? He did.
Patty
Good
Tracy
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Exactly. Now this is where my girlfriend Carrie says the thing. I was absolutely not expecting what she says.
Carrie Danes
Port is attracted to twinks. Young men who look so they tend to be slender, maybe a little bit shorter of stature. They tend to have hairless bodies. So for somebody who has basically seen better days is now really concerned about the lack of hair.
Tracy
So if you are somebody who's basically seen better days, like I pass your
Patty
prime not long in the tooth.
Tracy
He's really concerned about the lack of hair. I'm like, they are just letting this motherfucker have it good. Oh my God. If he watched this, this documentary in prison and saw the picture of himself without the wig and now being described as having seen better days.
Patty
And we've all seen it.
Tracy
Oh my God, it's divine.
Patty
I hope he's miserable.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
This actually sort of sorry to be a wet blanket, but kind of made me think about misogyny and the patriarchy. Like if a straight guy was very vocal and honest about how he exclusively wanted to date like young girlish, hairless.
Tracy
Oh, totally.
Patty
Like you'd say he's a pedophile.
Tracy
Yeah, yeah.
Patty
Like I'm so sorry to say that, but they like men can it comes to women can sort of hide behind the fact that like there are impossible beauty standards that they have to deal with anyway.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
But if there was a man who was like I prefer them to look as young as possible hairless, you'd be like, that's fudgeing creepy.
Tracy
Well, I will only. In defense of my community, I will only say this. I'm not I know, I know you're not coming for us, but it's pride month. Please.
Patty
We know, but Fiona has her pride leash all year round.
Tracy
That's all I ask.
Patty
Okay?
Tracy
That's literally all I asked. We are big on our, like, categories. Like, we've got the twinks, We've got. I used to be a bear, now I'm an otter.
Patty
Okay. Yeah.
Tracy
You know what I mean?
Patty
I under heard. Understood.
Tracy
Yeah. Monks. There's the whole. There's the whole deal.
Patty
I got to try to burn down the patriarchy a little bit every day.
Tracy
Because you're absolutely right. If men were like, I'm exclusively into, like, small statured, you know, hairless, girlish
Patty
looking women, which they do.
Carrie Danes
Yeah.
Patty
And like, the beauty industry is all, like, based in pedophilia, basically. Like, think about what they want, like, youth based.
Tracy
I know.
Patty
You know, hairless.
Tracy
I know.
Patty
Whatever. Like, I guess I'm part of the problem with my laser hair removal because I just fucking. And can't deal with it.
Tracy
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Patty
Can I tell you what happened, though? So I was like. I hated it. It was like. And they're like, oh, it's just like little. It's like a rubber band.
Tracy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Patty
And I'm like, I still don't want that on me at times. Are you kidding me?
Tracy
Right?
Patty
So it was, like, painful. And I would go and, like, suck it up. And then I. And the numbing cream does not work at all. Or they make you sit for an hour in a freezing cold office.
Tracy
This is also, like, in your lady area, which I would imagine is, like, very, like, tender.
Patty
It's ever. The whole thing is tender, but sor
Tracy
one, and we've gone too far.
Patty
Wrap your whole leg. They put this numbing cream on you and then wrap your legs in, like, Saran Wrap so it stays put. But the office has to be really cold for the lasers. So you're just sitting there, like, for an hour. The numbing starts working after I leave the office, I don't. It doesn't work at all. And they can only put a certain amount because the Novocaine, like, if it seeps in, because it'll kill you. And I'm like, but why? Like, I've asked the nurses, like, I'll sign the thing.
Tracy
Let me die.
Patty
But, like, then you see an hour wasting your time. Freezing cold. Like, goosebumps everywhere.
Tracy
Oh, God.
Patty
And so one day, I finally. I've only done it like two or three times. Cuz the guys, I think like three times. I have my fourth coming up or whatever. But like I called the office, I was like, hey, here to make my next appointment. Here's a question. Numbing cream, does shit not working? I hate it. Like I want to go like, the doctor's amazing. Like boring. Like not a med spa like a real dude, right? And they were like, well, we can do nitrous. I was like, you can what? And that was like never told to me. I was like, I'll do that. I'll do. Yeah. And then I called when they called to confirm, I was like. And there's a note about the nitrous there. So then I go in and he was like, hey. So like, like, let's do this.
Tracy
It's real dark in there.
Patty
Suddenly I'm the dude. So cool. And so. But then I, I took it. I was like, do it. Because they just let you like.
Tracy
Yeah, they'll let you suck it until you die.
Patty
And at one point he was like, for a second, like, we're losing her, we're losing her. He was like, I'll stop like, like rubber banding your leg. Yeah, just like you'd have to suck in like every two seconds. Yeah, but don't I. Yeah. And then, but after I took that, I was like, oh, this feels good. I was like, does my do it? Does my voice? In my head, my voice sounded weird. He was like, it's not helium. But in my mind it sounded. But then by the time you get home, I still had like a full work day after.
Tracy
Oh yeah, it goes. It wears right off.
Patty
I picked up a nice little lunch from the bodega. I was like, I do this every week.
Tracy
I'm telling you. I went to the dentist that one time where they gave me so much nitrous that I remember thinking I have to stay alive for days.
Patty
I'm.
Tracy
I was, I was. I couldn't even see. I was in the atmosphere.
Patty
And they can't do it on planes because it's like the compressed air. It's like it'll explode or whatever.
Tracy
Yeah, we can't have that.
Patty
They should be able.
Tracy
No, you are in a self imposed. No fly.
Patty
But if I could like suck on the nitrous.
Tracy
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Patty
I have no pain. I was like, this is awesome.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
I am the dude. I just felt like so fucking like fucking.
Tracy
I know.
Patty
Anyway, I don't know where we were going with this. Well, the patriarchy. I am part of the Problem because I get laser hair removal because my skin's really sensitive and I'm sick of getting fucking irritation on my legs.
Tracy
Well, we're with Connor from the Gay Times and he's saying that he was
Narrator
portraying himself in a way that he did not physically appear if you were to meet him in real life. So, for example, as someone in real life that is very socially awkward and shy, on apps, he was very outgoing and he was very chatty and charismatic to the people that he was going to meet. Now, when you then meet them in real life, it was a completely different story.
Patty
Catfishing.
Tracy
Yeah, well, he's, like, socially awkward on the apps. He's outgoing and chatty, but he's a
Patty
total drip in person.
Tracy
Kerry says he's lying about everything. Oh, my God. I know. She says on the apps, he says he went to Oxford, but, like, never mentioned where he works.
Patty
When we're lying, can we pull it back for two seconds? You have to go right to Oxford. Can't you split the difference?
Tracy
My favorite is what his name on the apps is. It's Shy Hunk. That would work on me.
Patty
That would totally work on you.
Tracy
That's all I want. Just give me my Shy Hunk.
Patty
Yeah.
Tracy
God. So Anthony Walgate is victim number one. He's from a place called Home. He was really interested in fashion. He went to London to study. He wanted to make it as a designer.
Patty
And he's, like, outgoing and sociable. He's everything the killer is not and wants to be.
Tracy
Exactly. So Anthony also worked as an escort to pay for school. But the difference was it wasn't a secret. All of his friends knew about it. He was really big on safety. They all knew where he was, who he was with. Like, he. It was a job for him.
Patty
Yeah. And so this is how Anthony, our victim, meets the killer.
Tracy
Because the killer, who's also an escort, pays this guy $800 to spend the night at. At his house.
Patty
Right.
Tracy
That's a lot.
Patty
Yeah. And so Anthony was assaulted and murdered. And so the next day, Stephen Poor
Narrator
ultimately faked a 999 call to report Anthony Walgate's body. So he pretended to be a passerby who had just, at 4 in the morning, happened to come across this young man who was propped up against a wall and seemed unconscious. Port had planted a bottle of GHB on Anthony Walgate.
Patty
The killer stages Anthony's body outside.
Tracy
But first he goes to work all day. He killed Anthony overnight, goes to work the next day, leaving the body his home, as though Nothing has happened. Yeah. And then, then he comes home and stages the body outside at 4 in the morning.
Patty
And he like, props Anthony up against the wall and then plants GHB on Anthony's body. So then he makes this fake call to the cops and he's like, oh, I just, like I'm reporting this stranger that I don't know, like, pretending to be a passerby.
Tracy
Yeah. And like the 91 1, it's 999 in London. The dispatcher is awesome.
Patty
Yeah.
Tracy
He's asking all the right questions, like, where are you? And you can hear Stephen Port, like, does not want to answer any question.
Patty
Well, the operator eventually, phone number, and he gets scared and hangs up. But then the operator calls him back and I'm like, how were you just asking for his phone number?
Tracy
My favorite part of that too is the dispatcher's like, I believe we were disconnected.
Patty
He's like, oh, my God, so sorry.
Tracy
We got disconnected.
Patty
So real quick, once again, phone number and address, please.
Tracy
And I also don't understand, like, why did Stephen Port do this? Like, why didn't you just put the body out and then just, why are you putting yourself in the story?
Patty
You know, I think a lot of them, that's the whole point, to be put in the story. And they, they want the cat and mouse game or whatever. But, like, the killer unfolds so easily. Like, you don't have to be a Colombo or a body language expert to hear, like, he can't. He's mumbling, he's tripping over his words. Like, like, the more questions he gets asked. The guy's a mess. He's incoherent.
Tracy
Well, and the whole thing is the cops barely investigate at all. And the friends are coming out of the woodwork to tell the cops. No. Like, you're saying he died of a drug overdose. Our friend does not do drugs.
Patty
Yes. Well, it's. I love professor dawn, the listener. She goes, I would have thought, okay, this is odd. Let's do a little more digging. The cut to the voiceover. But the police didn't dig deep. And I'm like, And also shitty because
Tracy
then, like, well, because the cops just believe it. Like, this is how much like, the cops hate gay people.
Patty
Yeah.
Tracy
They find a dead gay man with a bottle of GHB on him. They just assume that he died of a drug overdose. They don't investigate because they don't want to talk about the gay stuff and they move on, like, nothing happens.
Patty
And it's also one of those things where it's like, well, to sit. Like, choices were made. Like a dangerous lifestyle. So not only is he gay, but, like, a sex worker. Like, they definitely don't care.
Tracy
They also point out that, like, his underwear was apparently backwards and upside down. The cop don't question this at all.
Patty
Like, that many red flags immediately, like, okay, this guy who called it in is very agitated and weird and can't answer a question, and he's incoherent. And then, like, all of these questions that they should have asked, they just didn't. They were, like, happy to not ask.
Tracy
They found drugs on this guy. They didn't even do a toxicology on him. They just found drugs on his person and decided that it was a drug overdose.
Patty
But yet they. They tracked down the guy who made the phone call. The killer.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
They got his number from the phone call.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
And when they speak to him, the
Ryan Edwards
officers decided to believe Stephen Port when he changed his story about Anthony's death.
Carrie Danes
So he says that he found Anthony in his bed, he was dead, and so he panicked and just put him outside like you would do with a used milk bottle.
Patty
Now he has a totally and completely
Tracy
different story, which is also fine with them.
Patty
Reasonable to the cops. So, like, everyone changes their story all the time. What's the problem?
Tracy
He's literally like, well, he was like a trick I took home, and he died in my bed. And I freaked out, and I didn't know what to do, so I just
Patty
put him outside because, remember, first he was a random passerby who didn't know anything about anything.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
And now. Now his story has changed, and he actually did know Anthony, and Anthony was in his bed.
Tracy
And one of our experts says to us, like, this is another red flag. You should know that if the person who calls in the dead body then changes their story, that's like, clue number one that they fucking did it.
Patty
Hello?
Tracy
Right.
Patty
So they charge him with obstruction of justice, and he's out on bail. And then he's, like, off their radar. And we're told this is a massive, massive failure by the police.
Tracy
And they say they were so. This is like the Jeffrey Dahmer of it all. They were so close right there. If they had just gone and, like, looked it through his stuff, if they looked at it on his computer, they would have seen all of his fake profiles.
Patty
The laptop is right there. The Google searches.
Tracy
And then all, like, this was victim number one. The other three men would not have had to have died if the cops had just done the bare minimum of, like, this known Red flag of what killers do. Like, they could have gotten the guy right there.
Patty
See, America, it's not just us. It's literally the entire global system of policing.
Tracy
True.
Patty
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Tracy
Truly. So. June 20, 2014, the night after Anthony's body was found, we learned that this guy was in the background of this, like, big TV show called MasterChef.
Patty
Celebrity MasterChef Master Chef is Gordon Ramsay.
Tracy
Oh, is that right?
Patty
Yeah. So that, like Celebrity MasterChef in the UK, like, we're suddenly watching Celebrity MasterC Chef. I was like, did my computer glitch? Like, what's going on here?
Tracy
And we're seeing the killer in the background. Like, he's in the kitchen.
Patty
He's in there and no one has any idea.
Tracy
He, like, he literally killed the guy the night before.
Patty
He's like, just on the television show.
Tracy
That is what is so wild to me is that, like, you commit a murder and then you're just out in the world out there. Yeah.
Patty
And so, like, begging to be caught, basically.
Tracy
Yes. And also, like, this guy was just so sloppy. You know what I mean? Like, like this wasn't even like he was like a mastermind killer. Like, he was so sloppy. The cops just didn't care.
Patty
Like, breaking news. They rarely are the mastermind. Never. Like, very rarely.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
August 2014, eight weeks after Anthony Walgate's murder, the killer's out on bail. And now we learn about Gabriel Kavari, victim number two. Young man in his 20s. Are we noticing a trend?
Tracy
Yes. He's like, he moved to London from Slovakia. He'd been living with another friend in London, but he left that place to move in with Stephen Poor.
Patty
The killer.
Tracy
The killer. And now we're back with Ryan, the neighbor with the garbage gift. Yeah, Ryan says, steven, the killer texted me, said, come over and meet my new. And so he gets there, and he meets Gabriel. He's like, gabriel's smart. He's cute. He's very funny. He wants to be an artist. I really like this guy. The second Stephen Port leaves the room, Gabriel, who's been living with this man for exactly one day, Gabriel then kind
Ryan Edwards
of in hushed tones, leant over to me and said, stephen Port, Ryan is not the person you think he is. He's not a nice person.
Tracy
He's like a total monster.
Patty
Think of how dire the situation has to be if you're telling this to someone you met 30 seconds ago, and
Tracy
you've not even lived with this man for 24 hours.
Patty
Gabriel is desperate for help. I mean, that is terrifying.
Tracy
I was trying to think about the situation that Gabriel must have been in to have moved in with this guy in the first place.
Patty
Well, I think that's it. He feels trapped, and he's, like, the only. I mean, he doesn't know if he can trust Ryan. But Ryan is better than this.
Tracy
Right?
Patty
Psycho.
Tracy
Because, like, within, like, the 12 hours that they've been living together, what has he already done to this kid that's making him say this to Ryan? The stranger nature.
Patty
Exactly. So then I guess the killer comes out of the bathroom, and they can't talk about it anymore. So Ryan, the neighbor, tracks Gabriel down on Grindr.
Tracy
Now, this is just gay texting. Like, I love this so much that he's like, I didn't get his number. Let me just. He gets on Grindr, there's Gabriel, and he starts DMing him on Grindr, and
Patty
he's like, look, if you don't want to live with him, you're more than welcome to crash here. Quote, for a couple of nights. Don't make yourself too comfortable, Gabe. I'm kidding. Ryan, the neighbor, offered and then followed up. Yeah, but I just love that he was like, yeah, for a couple of nights. Like, there's an end date here.
Tracy
Yeah. But, like, the next day, he messages Ryan again. He's like, girl, are you coming over or what? No response.
Patty
Yeah.
Tracy
So now Ryan is like, goes to the killer, and he's like, I messaged
Ryan Edwards
Steven just to say, is Gabriel okay? And Stephen replied to me to say, oh, Gabriel's Upton left. I think he's gone to stay with some army guy. And I thought that was a bit strange. And tragically, that was the Last I ever heard of Gabriel.
Tracy
And that's the last I heard of Gabriel.
Patty
He just packed up in the middle of the night. As mysteriously as he arrived, he left. Like, Bullshit. So by August 28th of 2014, Gabriel has been missing for 5 days.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
Now his body and the found in a churchyard 400 yards away from where Anthony Walgate was found. Like, what a coincidence.
Tracy
It's in the neighborhood. Like, he's in. He looks like the. He looks like the other guy that died 400 yards away. Yeah, it's in the exact same neighborhood. The cops come, they think it's just another dead gay drug addict.
Patty
So Anthony, the first victim, had GHB on his person. Gabriel had a lot of GHB in his system. The cops, of course, don't see how this is similar. And we know exactly why. One gay shit and two, like, useless drug addicts. Whatever.
Tracy
It's like if two people die within 400 meters, yards of each other in
Patty
a small neighborhood, both involving ghb.
Tracy
Right. And even if there was no obvious connection, which in this case there were so many, you would still have to be like, what the fuck is going on here?
Patty
I think they knew. They were just actively not doing anything about it. You can't. I mean, it's ridiculous that you wouldn't be like young gay men. It be. I know they're just like, acting like there are no connections there. But I think in their heart of hearts, as they say, they know. Yeah, they just don't want to deal with the gay shit because if there's more than one, then they have to talk about gay sex and all this stuff, and they don't want to do it.
Tracy
So crazy. And so when the police do nothing, Gabriel's friends take to social media. God love the. Get yourself a group of friends.
Patty
I know.
Tracy
And they. On social media, they find a guy named John Luck. And they realize however they do that John Luck had interacted with Gabriel online a couple of days earlier. So remember, Gabriel's been missing for five days.
Patty
Yeah.
Tracy
This guy, John Luck, has been interacting with him on the Internet. And of course, unbeknownst to them, this is Stephen Port the killer.
Patty
Right. John Luck is Stephen Port one of his catfish profiles.
Tracy
Exactly.
Patty
So the friends are asking this guy about Gabriel and like, this guy, this rando, who they're just like, like messaging online like they don't know each other. So it's telling him all this crazy shit.
Carrie Danes
Like he's aware that Gabriel was involved with older men who would give him drugs and he's Been to orgies with various other young men, and he may have been drugged and been rendered unconscious and then raped.
Patty
And then he says, well, he was probably drugged and then raped when he was unconscious. And the friends are like, I'm sorry, who are you again?
Tracy
Jesus Christ.
Patty
How do you know all this? What are you saying to us right now? Why would you even say that to us?
Tracy
Right? And so port as John Locke, when the friends are like, well, our friend is actually dead, he feigns surprise. And then he says to the friends, do you think the police will want to talk to me as my DNA will be on him?
Patty
This guy's confessing. He cannot wait to tell everyone about it and get caught. He wants to be caught, desperate to be caught.
Tracy
It's almost like he was put in the world to show how awful the cops in this area are for sure, you know?
Patty
So now it's 13 months later, it's October 2015, and the killer is finally questioned about Gabriel. Dude is stressed.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
Folded arms, fist clenched. We're back and forth, body language.
Tracy
Guy is like, I'm the only one who can tell you what this means. Yeah, he's acting very tense. He's rocking back, his arms are crossed. These are signs of. I'm like, sir, what are we doing? What are we doing here? I know.
Patty
And also the word just. I get it. But some of us say it, and some of us are working on it.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
And, like, I'm sorry, not to sound like a total grandma, but don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Don't. Don't make it so obvious that these are connected and then sit there like an anxious wreck. Like, that's what they mean when they say that if you can't, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Tracy
No. And then Carrie's here to be like. Well, he says no a bunch of times, but the last two nos are kind of quiet. I'm like, what are we doing, guys?
Patty
Shut up, you guys.
Tracy
Thank you for your service, but what are we doing here? Let's just tell the story of these fucking gay men that were killed, right?
Patty
And how shitty the cops were and, like, getting the killer. So now we're back to September 14th. Sorry, everyone. The timeline, they keep jumping around. Yeah, but it's. They say on screen, three weeks after Gabriel's death, it's murder. I'm gonna say murder. They say death, but it's 100% murder. So then we learn about Daniel Whitworth, who's Victim number three. Very similar. He met the killer online. They were talking for about a month before they meet up in real life.
Narrator
Daniel was ultimately also killed and possibly placed in the exact same place as Gabriel's body in the same churchyard. He was found by the same dog walker who had found Gabriel Kovari just three weeks earlier.
Tracy
The exact same spot, they say the same spot in the churchyard. And they leaned it up against the
Patty
same gravestone, and the same dog walker.
Tracy
Oh, my God.
Patty
Found them.
Tracy
Oh, my. Can you imagine being this dog? You're just out.
Patty
I have to move.
Tracy
You have to.
Patty
I'm cursed. I have to move you out.
Tracy
You. You have to.
Patty
Everywhere. Am I like death suddenly? Am I the grim Reaper, like, coming with the thing?
Tracy
It's also just like another young, good looking, white gay guy found with drugs on him in the exact same spot by. Found by the exact same person. I see no connection here.
Patty
But this time there's a note.
Tracy
Yes. Oh.
Patty
Part suicide note, part confession. All bullshit.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
So we got to break this down because it's absurd.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
The note basically says as the. This is like, from the victim allegedly writing. The killer wrote it.
Tracy
Yeah. Yeah.
Patty
But the note basically says, I'm sorry, I can't go on. I took the life of my friend Gabriel. Now connecting two murders.
Tracy
Yes. And taking responsibility for Gabriel's murder.
Patty
We were at a friend's house. We were partying. We got carried away. I gave him another shot of ghb. I didn't notice while we was having sex that he had stopped breathing. First of all, how do you not notice? Second, that's this guy's quote, fetish.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
I tried everything to get him to breathe. It was too late. It was an accident. I'm blaming myself for what happened. I can't face my family. I can't go to prison. But at least now I can be Gabriel again. I hope he forgives me. And then he writes, literally, btw.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
Btw.
Tracy
Did he really write btw?
Patty
He literally wrote btw. Like the letters btw.
Carrie Danes
Btw. Please do not blame the guy I was with last night. We only had sex, then I left.
Patty
He knows nothing of what I have done.
Carrie Danes
But don't look at him. He's not relevant. Why would you bother in a suicide note to point out something that is irrelevant?
Patty
He knows nothing of what I've done. And I dropped my phone on the way here. It should be in the grass somewhere.
Tracy
I know. My favorite thing is, like, the cops are like, this sounds like exactly what happened.
Patty
Sorry to everyone. Love Always.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
Daniel, you know what?
Tracy
We figured out who killed the other. This is. This is it. We got to go home early tonight, guys.
Patty
Never have I seen a more authentic piece of paper.
Tracy
It's Shakespearean.
Patty
They are definitely not connected, even though there are about 17 similarities. What is it? 501. I'm out of here, fellas.
Tracy
They, like, they literally believe every word in the suicide note. They believe it all.
Patty
Like, anything involving GHB is like kryptonite to them. They just, like. It's truly insane. This guy has gotten away with three murders. And at this, he's like, damn, Seriously? Fine. I will literally direct you to me again.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
He's, like, begging the cops to catch him. Girl.
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Patty
Same thing. He's wringing his hands and he's a Nervous wreck.
Tracy
I know, I know. But now he should be there. What has happened in the interim is that the case has finally been turned over to like the bigger police authority or whatever. They're like, this is too big for us. Three bodies in the exact same location, all found by the same dog walker. They all look, we cannot figure out. Figure this out.
Patty
And they're gay.
Tracy
And they're gay. And they're gay.
Patty
You guys know they're gay, right?
Tracy
So they turn it over. There he's being questioned about the suicide note. Did you write it? He's saying, no.
Patty
Shaking like a leaf.
Tracy
I love the cop being like, you telling the truth, Stephen?
Patty
He's like, yeah, yeah. Why? Who's asking? And they're like, totally believe you. Oh my God.
Tracy
Because it's worked for him every single time.
Patty
Are we keeping you, Steven?
Tracy
Oh, and then this was a bombshell. We learn the three murders that happened within 13 months of each other neighbor Ryan, who lived next door to the killer.
Ryan Edwards
The fact there was one young gay man found dead in Barking town centre was, you know, extraordinary enough. And then when there were two and there were three again, amazingly, completely unaware that these events were occurring just meters from where I lived.
Tracy
He knew nothing about it. So not only did the police not investigate, there's no press coverage of any of this. And Ryan is here to be like, I was fucking shocked, like, to learn, wake up one day, like, cuz now it's on the news, to learn that three bodies had been found in Ryan's backyard, like in the churchyard across the street, over the course of 13 months. And nobody in the community knew anything about it.
Patty
It's crazy. So March 23, 2015. The killer is in prison for lying about Anthony Walgate's body.
Tracy
The one that he like, was like, he died in my bed and I
Patty
moved him outside, right, because remember, he called 911 then, said he was a passerby, refused to give his phone number. They found him anyway and then he totally changed his story.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
And then the cops were so weirded out by two dudes in bed together that they were like, all right, stop talking about it.
Tracy
We get it.
Patty
We believe you. God. So the killer's away for two months, he gets out and almost immediately meets Jack Taylor. And now we're back to the beginning
Tracy
of this is where we started. So victim number four, Jack Taylor, they met September 13, 2015. Jack was killed, drugged with GHB, left in the churchyard, same as the other three victims. We're now four victims in the same church.
Patty
He is begging for the cops to connect it.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
Because even like the killer at this point is like, are you seriously not going to come find me? What do I have to do?
Tracy
It's almost as though the cops want somebody out there killing gay people.
Patty
Almost as if, you know, wouldn't be the first time.
Tracy
So the cops again, don't connect the murders.
Carrie Danes
Jack is found with a syringe and a needle in his pocket. But this is an immediate red flag to his family because they know that he was not just not a drug user, he was anti drug use.
Patty
He was not a drug user. He. She was like, he was drugged by force. The needles and drugs were planted on him.
Tracy
They were, yes, because they found the needles in his pocket.
Patty
She's like, there's no fucking way. Like, no. Like, no. So she tells us to the cops, quote, they discarded it. She goes, they just had none of it.
Tracy
No. And so there's that CCTV footage, which is what we opened with, where we see the killer and Jack walking from the train station. And Donna is like, you've got to release this CCTV footage and see if anybody knows that man is obviously the killer. The cops don't want to do it.
Patty
They don't.
Tracy
And they only do it because she basically forces them to. And it's only when they release that footage that another copy sees Stephen Port on the video and he's like, that's the guy that we questioned in that other murder. Wait a second.
Patty
Oh, my God. What? What? What?
Tracy
Yes. And had it not been for Donna, like, the connection never would have been. This is the only way they're able to start connecting the murders.
Patty
Yeah. And we we've been with Matt. This. He's like an independent auditor guy who's like, here to be like. Here's like a bird's eye view of what the cops did and what they should have done. Yeah, but he, he's not giving the cops any fucking flowers for this. Because he's like, the cops should have connected the 1 million very obvious dots. Like, if Jack's family didn't push for this, we wouldn't be here. So no flowers for us.
Tracy
And, like, how many more people would be dead?
Patty
Like, you don't get your credit for finally doing your job 16 months late. Shut up.
Tracy
No. So October 4, 2016, the trial begins and we learned that Port had a lot of surviving victims. So, like, men that he drugged and raped but didn't kill. And a lot of them came forward to testify and they were saying that, like.
Narrator
And it was very Brave. And it really was what helped Port get convicted, because ultimately we didn't have the testimony of the four murder victims.
Tracy
Their testimony was so helpful because they obviously don't have the testimony of the dead gay men. So these guys were there to speak basically on their behalf.
Patty
It was really, really important and awesome that they all did that. It must have been terrifying.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
So the killer gets life in prison. He will never be released, we're told.
Tracy
Yeah.
Patty
He's charged with the murders of the four men, plus 22 other offenses against seven other victims.
Tracy
And that's just the ones that we know about.
Patty
Right.
Tracy
We hear all the time, like, whenever we cover a case that has anything to do with Grindr, like, how many people don't come forward?
Patty
100%. So Jack's awesome sister Donna gives a statement to the press. She's standing outside the courthouse, and this goddamn queen says, that sick, twisted scumbag will never be able to hurt or destroy anyone else's family or life. Sick, twisted scumbag. Put it in the Louvre and hang
Tracy
it in the Louvre. I love it because, like, for so many years and so many decades, like, these. These. These murders, like, this would go unsolved because nobody was looking for these people. Like, they left their families, and they were transient in their neighbor, and nobody even noticed when they went missing. Like, but, like, it's so nice and affirming to see, like, we live in a world where friends are coming out of the woodwork and doing the work, and then the family is pushing to get things done.
Patty
And how many times have we seen that? Where it's like, the family and the friends saying, like, no, no, no, we care. You don't care. We care.
Tracy
Yes.
Patty
Like, they. They thought we didn't care, but we always cared. We were always waiting for that phone call. Like the Fox Hollow murders. I'm thinking about, like, so many. We see this time and time and time again where the families are, like, begging. Yeah.
Tracy
The Gacy murders, you know, like, we see it all the time. And it ends with, like, a list of the victims. It was Anthony Walgate, age 23. Gabriel Kovari, age 22. Daniel Whitworth, age 21. Jack Taylor, age 25.
Patty
And also in December of 2021, there's an inquest because at least three of the four murders could have been prevented. Yes, but the cops were willfully ignorant and bigoted. They don't make it very clear. But, like, the records show that the cops were in the wrong here.
Tracy
Yeah. And it Sundays as of May 2024, eight Metropolitan Police officers were being investigated for gross misconduct and possible breaches of professional standards in the Stephen Port Inquiry.
Patty
None of the officers under are featured in this program.
Tracy
Shocking.
Patty
I mean, come on.
Tracy
Oh, my God, girl. We did the Grindr Killer. We got to hear that lady say twink and then describe what it is.
Patty
And a coot.
Tracy
And a coot. Bald as a coot. I believe she said.
Patty
Give it 10 years. That'll be a category. I'm a coot.
Tracy
I'm a coot, fam. Don't forget to check us out on our Facebook page. Don't forget to follow us on all the social media. Go watch our YouTube. We're at over 500,000 subscribers. Yep, that's it. We love you.
Patty
Well, you want to know what we're doing next?
Tracy
Oh, what are we doing next?
Patty
It's big, huge news. We're doing the Crash on Netflix, baby.
Tracy
Oh, my star.
Patty
And I'm going to tell you right now, everyone I know you're freaking out. The day our episode of the Crash drops on Patreon, I'm going to do an after party telling you and Patrick all of the things that, quote, Netflix left out. Everything that's come out since it came out. The court records, the Mean Girl Murders episode, the cases up. We're going through it.
Tracy
It's all going to be there. So we're going to the episode of the crash and that afterparty come out on the same day.
Patty
We're talking about it all. And then I'm never talking about this little bitch again.
Tracy
What about Kendra?
Patty
Kendra. Oh, from unknown number. We'll get to it. What do you hear? The episode.
Tracy
We love you, family.
Patty
We love you. Stay safe, please. Happy Pride. Except for the Cops. Yeah, they're not invited. Everyone's invited except for them. Bye.
Cliff Lansley
A car crash claimed two young lives and injured a third early yesterday morning.
Tracy
This is the best friend group that I've ever had in my life. We had just graduated high school.
Patty
Mackenzie, Sherilla,
Tracy
Dom and Kenzie, we love you, baby. They're such a duo. I was Davion's best friend and we were going to be unstoppable.
Patty
That split second changed all of our lives forever.
Date: June 9, 2026
In this episode, the TCO hosts (Tracy and Patty) recap HBO Max’s Faking It: The Grindr Killer Scandal—a deep dive into the horrific crimes of Stephen Port, who used gay dating apps to lure, assault, and murder young gay men in London. The hosts dissect the documentary with their signature mix of humor, righteous anger, and pop culture riffs, emphasizing the shocking failures of the Metropolitan Police and the resilience of the victims’ friends and families. The conversation also questions the role of so-called “body language” and “linguistics” experts in true crime television, highlights systemic homophobia in law enforcement, and celebrates both pride month and queer community resistance.
“They thought we didn’t care, but we always cared. We were always waiting for that phone call.”
— Patty, on the activism and love of the queer community and its allies (50:55)
This episode is a furious, funny, and poignant breakdown of institutional neglect, sexualized violence, and the fight for queer safety and visibility. Tracy and Patty combine irreverent banter, keen social critique, and sharp empathy, making this recap both scathing and celebratory. Their mockery of “expert” TV theatrics, the staged suicide note, and the endless police failures underscores a broader call for justice, vigilance, and community solidarity—especially in Pride Month.
Next Up: The hosts tease their upcoming coverage of Netflix’s The Crash and a spicy Patreon afterparty episode (52:13-52:51).
Happy Pride! (Except for the Cops.)