505: The Grindr Killer Scandal: A Faking It Special

Summary

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True Crime Obsessed

Episode 505: The Grindr Killer Scandal: A Faking It Special

Date: June 9, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, the TCO hosts (Tracy and Patty) recap HBO Max’s Faking It: The Grindr Killer Scandal—a deep dive into the horrific crimes of Stephen Port, who used gay dating apps to lure, assault, and murder young gay men in London. The hosts dissect the documentary with their signature mix of humor, righteous anger, and pop culture riffs, emphasizing the shocking failures of the Metropolitan Police and the resilience of the victims’ friends and families. The conversation also questions the role of so-called “body language” and “linguistics” experts in true crime television, highlights systemic homophobia in law enforcement, and celebrates both pride month and queer community resistance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Thoughts & Tone

• Tracy and Patty bring immediate sass and disbelief:
  • Tracy: "Girl, the gays can't even have Grindr anymore. Like, we have one nice thing and we can't even have that anymore." (00:00)
• The episode’s tone balances humor with outrage at injustice.

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2. Documentary Structure & 'Expert' Critique

• The hosts poke fun at how the UK "Faking It" series builds suspense through forensic and body language experts.
  • Tracy: “Am I a body language expert? Like what?” (02:03)
  • Patty: “It's a little fluff…they have to be introduced like superheroes, like the Watcher, the this, the that…” (02:47)
• They both question the necessity or depth of some "expert analysis," especially in cases with overwhelming material evidence.

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3. Case Timeline Recap: The Killings and Police Failures

• The hosts stress that the crimes and police mishandling are obvious, even “beyond belief.”
  • Patty: "They just thought that Jack was gay and a druggie and that was it." (01:34)
  • Tracy: “It is so fucking obvious what’s happening here. It’s unbelievable.” (05:12)

Victims and Crime Pattern

• Jack Taylor – a young gay forklift driver, murdered after meeting Port via Grindr (04:09)
• Anthony Walgate – an escort and fashion student, first victim whose death was staged and covered with a fake 999 call (26:17)
• Gabriel Kovari – recently moved from Slovakia, body found near previous victim; left after feeling unsafe in Port’s home (35:00-36:57)
• Daniel Whitworth – found near Gabriel with a staged suicide/confession note (41:02-42:59)

Police Disregard and Homophobia

• Police ignored glaring links between the victims, disregarded friends/family complaints, dismissed forensic red flags (drug staging, clothing issues, ridiculous “suicide notes”).
  • Tracy: “They don’t investigate because they don’t want to talk about the gay stuff.” (29:05)
  • Patty: “You don't get your credit for finally doing your job 16 months late. Shut up.” (49:14)

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4. Stephen Port’s Background & Psychological Profile

• The hosts relate (but don’t excuse) Port’s closeted background and his use of sex work and dating apps.
  • Tracy: “Being forced to stay in the closet and hide who you are and pretend to be somebody else will do a fucking number on you.” (11:30)
• Port’s “fetish” for somnophilia is rightfully challenged as predatory and non-consensual, rooted in power and dominance rather than sexuality (14:17-14:54).
  • Patty: “This is not a fetish…The whole thing is about power, dominance, control and most importantly, lack of consent.” (14:18)

Catfishing & False Personae

• Port lied about everything on his dating profiles, inventing fake names and stories, e.g., “Shy Hunk” (26:07).
• On apps, he’d be “outgoing and charismatic,” in person, socially awkward or withdrawn (25:30).

Appearance Insecurities

• Port obsessed over hair loss, wore convincing wigs, and was described by expert Carrie Danes as “bald as a coot.” (15:43-16:24)
  • Tracy: “If he watched this documentary in prison and saw the picture of himself without the wig and now being described as having seen better days…” (20:30)

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5. Comedic and Memorable Moments

• “Bald as a coot” – The British idiom sends the hosts down an etymology rabbit hole (15:58-16:24).
• Extended sidebar on wigs and men’s hair plugs, including Istanbul hair surgery and “wig care” tips (16:29-18:29).
• Body language expert Cliff Lansley’s excessive “deception indicator” tally.
  • Tracy: “We got the guy. You know what I mean? By this point, we got the guy.” (10:12)
• The staged “suicide note” for Daniel Whitworth is ruthlessly mocked for including “btw” (42:40-42:43).
• On encountering another body:
  • Tracy: “Can you imagine being this dog? …I have to move. I’m cursed. I have to move you out.” (41:29-41:32)

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6. Cultural Reflection, Queer Experience & Systemic Issues

• The hosts connect societal and police homophobia to the indifference that allowed Port’s crimes to persist.
• They relate the fetishization of youth and hairlessness in gay and straight contexts to misogyny and patriarchal beauty standards (20:54-22:13).
• Praise for the resilience of friends and family, whose activism and pressure finally forced the police to act—highlighting Pride Month’s importance.
  • Patty: "They thought we didn’t care, but we always cared. We were always waiting for that phone call.” (50:55)
  • Tracy: “For so many decades, these murders, like, this would go unsolved because nobody was looking for these people.” (50:26)

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7. Quotes & Timestamps (Memorable Moments)

• On police negligence:
  • Patty: “It's willful ignorance at this point.” (05:20)
• On the body language analysis:
  • Tracy: “I don’t know why we need a body language expert to tell us that the serial murderer who just got busted is feeling stress.” (10:01)
• On Daniel’s staged suicide note:
  • Patty: “Part suicide note, part confession. All bullshit.” (41:49)
  • Carrie Danes: “Btw. Please do not blame the guy I was with last night. We only had sex, then I left.” (42:43)
• Victims’ family advocacy:
  • Patty: "That sick, twisted scumbag will never be able to hurt or destroy anyone else's family or life. Sick, twisted scumbag. Put it in the Louvre..." (50:09)
• On the Grindr gay subcultures:
  • Tracy: “We are big on our, like, categories. Like, we’ve got the twinks…I used to be a bear, now I’m an otter.” (21:36)

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8. Critical Turning Points (With Timestamps)

• [03:11 - 04:54]: Opening of case, murder of Jack Taylor, GHB purchase, CCTV, and explanation of modus operandi
• [25:30 - 26:33]: Port’s catfishing habits, false persona, and how it contrasts with his real-world awkwardness
• [26:52 - 27:44]: Anthony Walgate’s death; Port fakes 999 call and stages body
• [36:57 - 37:06]: Gabriel Kovari’s murder and warnings to neighbor Ryan
• [41:02 - 42:59]: Daniel Whitworth’s murder, the absurd suicide note
• [48:01 - 48:16]: Jack Taylor’s family rejects police narrative, fights for justice
• [48:30 - 48:53]: Donna pushes for release of CCTV; police make breakthrough after public pressure
• [49:31 - 50:01]: Surviving victims’ testimony at trial secures justice

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9. Final Outcomes and Reflections

• Stephen Port: Sentenced to life, convicted for the murders of four men and 22 other offenses against seven survivors (49:55-50:03).
• A 2021 inquest determined that at least three of the four deaths were preventable and that the police acted with willful ignorance and bigotry (51:20-51:31).
• As of May 2024, multiple officers are being investigated for gross misconduct in the Stephen Port inquiry (51:40).

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Episode-Defining Quote

“They thought we didn’t care, but we always cared. We were always waiting for that phone call.”
— Patty, on the activism and love of the queer community and its allies (50:55)

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a furious, funny, and poignant breakdown of institutional neglect, sexualized violence, and the fight for queer safety and visibility. Tracy and Patty combine irreverent banter, keen social critique, and sharp empathy, making this recap both scathing and celebratory. Their mockery of “expert” TV theatrics, the staged suicide note, and the endless police failures underscores a broader call for justice, vigilance, and community solidarity—especially in Pride Month.

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Next Up: The hosts tease their upcoming coverage of Netflix’s The Crash and a spicy Patreon afterparty episode (52:13-52:51).

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Happy Pride! (Except for the Cops.)

Transcript

[Tracy]

Girl, the gays can't even have Grindr anymore. Like, we have one nice thing and we can't even have that anymore.

[Patty]

Happy bride, June 2nd. It's already ruined.

[Tracy]

Hi, Julia Bazvalli.

[Patty]

Hello. Patrick Hines. Fam.

[Tracy]

We have a Discord. Tell them everything.

[Patty]

It's a Discord server and there are a bunch of channels on the server. And we hang out and we talk about true crime stuff, or not true crime stuff. And there are all these different channels and everyone's really nice. Yeah, it's just a fun little party.

[Tracy]

We also have a Facebook group. It's the True Crime Obsessed podcast discussion group on the Facebook. It's highly moderated. It's super fun. People love going in there, talking about the episodes. It's a great place to go and just, like, meet other true crime friends and, you know, hang out with us a little bit.

[Patty]

Hang out?

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

It's just a party all around.

[Tracy]

It's a party all around. Speaking of a party, what are we talking about today?

[Patty]

Oh, God.

[Tracy]

I know.

[Patty]

It's called Faking It. You know that series, Faking It. We've done this before. It's from the uk, but Faking it. The Grinder Killer scandal. It is on hbo. Max.

[Carrie Danes]

This is one of the most shocking cases of serial murder in modern times.

[Ryan Edwards]

He killed four men. For years, Stephen Port had been taking advantage of the anonymous world of gay hookup sites like Grindr and Fit Lads. Stephen messaged me, hey, neighbor, come over and meet my new guy. And drugged seven more, raping four.

[Carrie Danes]

The police missed every single opportunity to catch him.

[Ryan Edwards]

Shocking, in fact, almost unbelievable that the case was handled so poorly by the Met.

[Patty]

They just thought that Jack was gay and a druggie and that was it.

[Carrie Danes]

Stephen Poor is incredibly immature and childlike. And the web of deceit is like an X rated version of Jack and Ori. It's beyond belief.

[Patty]

That sick, twisted scumbag will never be able to hurt or destroy anyone else's spot, family or life.

[Tracy]

Can I. Can we. Can I just.

[Patty]

Oh, God.

[Tracy]

Just to get.

[Patty]

Oh, God.

[Tracy]

Just to get us started, can I just say one thing?

[Patty]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

What is going on with these experts? I really. Okay. The one. The lady who's great. They're both great. We need all the people doing all the things to get the people. But like the body language expert. Am I a body language expert? Like what?

[Patty]

No.

[Tracy]

What is. Like when you got a killer, which we have in an interrogation room who's shaken his leg, and the body language expert wants us to know that only he, the Body language expert can tell us. And if he weren't here, we wouldn't know that the shaking of the leg implies that the killer who's being questioned about the four murders that he almost got away with is feeling stressed.

[Patty]

It's a little fluff. Like this Faking it series. This story is super important to be told. They all are. We did Grace Milane and. But they have to be introduced. Like superheroes, like the Watcher, the this, the that, and like, sometimes I'm into that, but sometimes it's a little bit like you're stretching to get the 45 minutes.

[Tracy]

Yeah, but stretching it. But this is a good episode. I really like this episode. So we open in Barking, east London. It's September 12, 2015.

[Ryan Edwards]

It's 10.22am The CCTV footage may look routine, but it's deceptive. The tall blonde man has just bought illegal drugs.

[Narrator]

It's not cannabis or speed. It's ghb, a well known date rape drug.

[Patty]

Which is a known date rape drug.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

And now the voiceover's like, it's not cannabis, it's not speed, but ghb.

[Tracy]

Excuse me, look, running down the list of all the known gay drugs.

[Patty]

Please do not put cannabis in the same category as speed.

[Tracy]

I ordered ghb. Like, oh, my God.

[Patty]

Like, that is a very different thing. Can everybody lighten up? I know it's 2015, but my God.

[Tracy]

And it's pride.

[Patty]

We've been smoking weed since the beginning of time.

[Tracy]

It's true. Give me a minute. Now we're eating it out of tins.

[Patty]

Oh, snit gummies.

[Tracy]

Exactly, please. So it's September 13, 2015, 2:50am It's 16 hours later after this piece of shit bought the GHB. This guy meets another man at the train station. And one of the cameras shows the other guy's face. This guy's name is Jack Taylor.

[Patty]

He's in his early 20s. He lived with his parents. He was a forklift driver.

[Tracy]

I was like, okay, Jack, Yeah.

[Patty]

He was on Grindr.

[Tracy]

Hang on a second. Jack, the gay forklift driver.

[Patty]

Taylor.

[Tracy]

Jack.

[Patty]

What kind of name is that? Jack Kelly.

[Tracy]

Exactly.

[Patty]

Newsy.

[Tracy]

Oh, my God. But like the gay Best way. That's complimentary Driver from, like, East London. Jack.

[Patty]

I know Jack. I know he's gay. He's on Grindr.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

And that is where he met a piece of shit named Steven Port.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

So Jack Taylor was drugged with this GHB awfulness and then he was murdered. And right at the top, we learned Stephen Port did this with numerous men and murdered four of them and gets

[Tracy]

away with it for a long time. So this whole episode is gonna be about all of like the very, very, very obvious connections between these dead gay men and how the police willfully ignored it.

[Patty]

Too much gay shit.

[Tracy]

Yeah, too much gay shit. We meet Carrie Danes. She's a profiler. I'm gonna allow it.

[Patty]

Specialty forensic psychology.

[Tracy]

Like, she makes some good points. She says some things I was not prepared to hear this woman say.

[Patty]

Well, the first thing she says is the police missed every single opportunity to catch him. To which I say, of course, of course.

[Tracy]

She says, this is one of the most shocking cases of serial murder in modern times. And it's true. Like, it is so fucking obvious what's happening here. It's unbelievable.

[Patty]

It's willful ignorance at this point.

[Tracy]

Yes. So one month later, it's October 17, 2015. Stephen Port is questioned.

[Ryan Edwards]

Port's personal computer had revealed disturbing details at Jack Taylor's last hours.

[Cliff Lansley]

He's now being quizzed on the searches that they found on his computer. Using words like boy, drugged, rape.

[Ryan Edwards]

Why are you searching for boy, drugged rape?

[Patty]

Just generally looking for general porn. So these, this is the type of disturbing material we're finding on his computer. Just to let you know.

[Tracy]

Also just like googling with wild abandon and like, can you imagine putting those words into your computer even I won't do that.

[Patty]

I like. And my Google search history is how

[Tracy]

long does it take for a body to decompose out of context?

[Patty]

I should be on every list.

[Tracy]

How long does it take to die having been set on fire?

[Patty]

Like, but you should be on a,

[Tracy]

on a no fly. Which basically you are. Oh, thank God.

[Patty]

That would just alleviate. So I will can't on the no fly.

[Tracy]

I know you're on a self imposed no fly.

[Patty]

Sorry. But the point is, hours later, this piece of shit did exactly what he was Google searching to Jack Taylor. So like, come on

[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

Cute.

[Tracy]

Cute. So now we meet Cliff Lansley, specialty body language. He's the watcher, this one. I said, am I allowed to ask, like, how seriously do we have to take this guy?

[Patty]

Then we meet the listener who's Professor Dawn Archer, specialty linguistics.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

And they are analyzing the video of the killer being questioned, and they say that he's minimizing statements with just. I was just looking for. Just general porn.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

Let me tell you, I am beyond guilty of overusing the word just. I notice it so much. It's something I'm actively working on, at least in writing.

[Tracy]

Give me an example.

[Patty]

I would literally say, like, I was just looking for. I do it. So when they said it, I was like, oh, God, yeah. That is something I definitely catch myself doing.

[Tracy]

Yeah. And, like. Because what he's trying to say.

[Patty]

I'm not a murderer.

[Tracy]

No, he. What he's trying to say is, like, yes, I understand that this boy was drugged and raped and killed. And that was the Google search that was found on my computer five minutes ago. But I didn't kill this kid. I was just looking for porn. I have to say something. If this is the kind of porn that you are searching for, you need to have a really serious conversation.

[Patty]

We have a problem.

[Tracy]

And I'm not kink shaming anybody. Like. Like, do all the stuff you want to do with consent with other people. But, like, that is. That is concerning.

[Patty]

Well, and because the. The operative word here. Did I use that phrase right? Is boy.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

Not man. What one could argue is like a fantasy. Whatever. I don't want to get into the kink shaming either, but boy, I think very much stands out here and should raise a whole lot of red flags.

[Tracy]

Yeah. So the body language guy is like,

[Cliff Lansley]

and the minimizer of the word just. And the double sided hand shrug. That gesture contradicts the words that you're saying. We've also got the head shakes, six micro headshake, nose from only five words. Just searching for random videos. We've got seven indicators of deception. This is definitely a lie.

[Patty]

Everything is a tell that this guy does. The way he's holding his hands, the way he shrugs, the way he shakes his head.

[Tracy]

No, the thing about this is we're gonna learn eventually that, like, this is the guy being caught. We're gonna go back through, like, the last 14 months of all the things that he did that he didn't get caught for. This guy just got caught. He knows he got caught. I don't know why we need a body language expert to tell us that the serial murderer who just got busted in shaking his knees is like. Is experiencing stress.

[Patty]

String two words together, three words together to make a sentence. But he, the expert goes in five. In seven seconds, using only five words. We have seven indicators of deception. Like, that's one deception per second.

[Tracy]

We all need any of. We got the guy. You know what I mean? By this point, we got the guy. I understand.

[Patty]

Hope he. I hope his stomach is in his butt. I hope he feels terrible. I hope he's anxious.

[Tracy]

You know what I hope? I hope he feels relieved. I hope that he feels like, thank God they got me and I don't have to do this anymore.

[Patty]

I'd rather him be miserable.

[Tracy]

I would rather him be miserable too. But it's just like, at least it's over. People are safe, and no one else is gonna die. So they say to him, like, while you were googling this stuff, you were doing all this while Jack Taylor was dead or dying? And that he, like, is changing the subject. He's avoiding the words. He's trying not to talk about the very obvious thing that they just got him for. Right?

[Patty]

So then we rewind 16 months because the cops let this guy commit three other murders before Jack Taylor.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

And the craziest thing is that they first heard about the murder when Stephen Port, the killer himself, called it in. And then, am I even in my notes? I'm like, wait, no, wait. Now they're telling us the killer's backstory.

[Tracy]

Right?

[Patty]

So we'll get back to the phone call. They drop it in. And I was all ready to, like, take notes on the phone call. Nope, we're going back to learn about the killer.

[Tracy]

Not yet.

[Patty]

I guess we'll get back to the call.

[Carrie Danes]

We learn Stephen Port. When he was young, he was described as quiet, quite shy, a bit of a loner, certainly introverted. He'd gone to art college for a while before training as a chef. Now, he hadn't come out as gay until he was in his late 20s.

[Tracy]

I am not defending this man's behavior by any stretch, but, like, being forced to stay in the closet and hide who you are and pretend to be somebody else will do a fucking number on you. Sure. There is a real epidemic of like, men hating, like, gay men hating themselves. Gay men, like, not being able to be in good, solid relationships because of the way that the world forces them to be. And that was this guy's experience.

[Patty]

And like, look at how many of them aren't murderers.

[Tracy]

Truly, truly. This guy worked as a sex worker, like during his 20s while he was

[Patty]

living with his parents. So I don't know how like, hidden this all was.

[Tracy]

I love that Carrie. She. This is just the beginning. He lived with his parents at the time. I imagine that put a damper on his sex life though. Hearing her say some of these words in her British accent is so amusing to me.

[Patty]

Yeah. He finally moved out when he was in his 30s.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

Now, Ryan Edwards is his neighbor. And the killer, we, we are told, was very childlike, especially about his birthday. So Ryan tells this story.

[Tracy]

This is wild.

[Patty]

He, Ryan the neighbor was throwing a party the night of the killer's birthday. Not a party for the killer, just a party. Yes. And Ryan is like, shit, that 35 year old who lives next door to me who's super weird about his birthday, like, I guess I should get him something.

[Tracy]

But he finds the gift of the garbage.

[Patty]

He finds a toy fire truck for a child in the trash room of his building.

[Tracy]

He's literally taking out like the empties and finds a toy truck.

[Patty]

Let me say this all again. I want you to really understand it.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

Ryan threw a party on this guy's birthday, but it wasn't for him.

[Tracy]

No. The guy wasn't even invited to the party that wasn't for his birthday.

[Patty]

At the very end of the night, as a total afterthought, Ryan doesn't want to deal with the fallout of not wishing this 35 year old a happy birthday because he's a fucking weirdo about his birthday. He took a discarded child's toy, probably broken out of the garbage. Yeah. Gave it to a grown ass man who's very weird about his birthday, who also happens to be a serial killer.

[Tracy]

Yeah, we don't know that yet.

[Patty]

Right. But he Is, but he is.

[Ryan Edwards]

And Ryan says, when everyone arrived in the party, I presented Stephen with this toy truck. He sat down cross legged and would back the toy truck up and down the floor just like a child would. He was oblivious to the party going on around him. Just like a child presented with a

[Patty]

new toy, plays with it on the floor like he's six years old. Yes.

[Tracy]

He's like, like, like rooming it back and forth.

[Patty]

And I gotta tell ya, that's honestly the least of our problems. It is, cause we're about to learn some really shitty things about him. But can you imagine?

[Tracy]

Like, no.

[Patty]

Like we see a picture of him

[Tracy]

holding the truck by. He loves this.

[Patty]

I have to like appease this 35 year old who's weird about his birthday.

[Tracy]

I know, I know. I couldn't agree more. So we learned that Port the killer was very active on gay dating sites and gay escort sites. Yeah. He had a particularly dark fetish for something called somnophilia, which is a preference for sex with someone who is sleeping or in Port's case, unconscious.

[Patty]

Now I think calling it a fetish is inaccurate because.

[Tracy]

I couldn't agree more.

[Patty]

The dictionary of psychology classifies it as predatory because the whole thing, how could it not be? The whole thing is about power, dominance, control and most importantly, lack of consent.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

So I. This is not a fetish. Whoever said that? Whatever. Expert.

[Tracy]

Well, Carrie, who I like. And she also says the thing about the person being unconscious, especially as it pertains to this killer, is that like the, the person is like quote, not going to judge.

[Patty]

You know, I think that's a cop out. I think it's more about the consent. Like instead of being like, no, no, no, I'm not like raping them, they're just not judging me. Like, whoa.

[Tracy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patty]

You want them to be unconscious or asleep. Like, no, no, no, that's not a fetish. That's predatory.

[Tracy]

All of the 10 years I've never understood this idea. Obviously it is barbaric and it is like monstrous to have sex with somebody. But like as the, as the person doing the horrible thing. What, what is joyful about that?

[Patty]

I don't know. I, I can't really.

[Tracy]

I'm looking to you in the eyes for answers. Tell me girl.

[Patty]

Can't really. No, I don't even know. I, I think all of these people are so miserable. I don't really think there's, there's joy necessarily. I think it's. Maybe he's, he's like translating it in his head that like, oh, they're not judging me, but like, you're raping people.

[Tracy]

Raping people like you. This is where the episode takes one of many left turns.

[Patty]

You' favorite part.

[Tracy]

This is my favorite part, hands down. Ryan, the next door neighbor, he's here to be like. And we see all of these pictures of the killer. Ryan's neighbor, he's like, over the years, his hair changed a lot.

[Patty]

Well, he's very, very vain and obsessed with his appearance.

[Carrie Danes]

He's somebody who is advertising himself on dating sites. And so of course he's going to want to put his best face forward. But unfortunately he's going bald. In fact, he pretty much as bald as a coot.

[Tracy]

Bald as a coot.

[Patty]

So from theidioms.com I was like, I gotta know. A coot is a water bird which has a marking on its head that gives an appearance of being bald.

[Tracy]

Okay.

[Patty]

And it has feather. It does have feather. The website wants you to know it's not bald. It has feathers. But it is. It's the way it looks from a distance that kind of gives the impression of baldness. And this phrase has been in existence since 1430.

[Tracy]

Oh, it was downright Shakespearean.

[Patty]

Bald as a coot.

[Tracy]

The thing about it is that we see all of the pictures of the different hairstyles and they look good. Like the. And I was telling you before we started there, I went through a period where I was getting served all of these, like, male wig options.

[Patty]

I was gonna say, did you say he's wearing wigs? Because they're all wigs.

[Tracy]

They're all. That's what I'm saying. They're all wigs. But they look good. Like he's got cool floppy hair and it's all different colors and different styles. And like, there was a time I'm like, should I just shave my head and get my dream hair?

[Patty]

I mean, they're telling us that he's so self conscious about the wigs. I'm like, there's nothing to be self conscious about, you fucking weirdo.

[Tracy]

A there's nothing to be self conscious about.

[Patty]

And get all the wigs.

[Tracy]

It's also just, I don't know, I know a lot of very vain gay men. That's almost all the gay men that I know. I don't know a single one of us that's gone all the way wig.

[Patty]

Let me ask you something, because I think wigs are again, not anything to be self. Like, have fun, do your thing.

[Tracy]

Nobody thinks of it. I got it. For men, you think about, like, Maybe a toupee or you get hair plugs or something.

[Patty]

What I was going to ask you was about, do you know anyone who's gotten hair plugs?

[Tracy]

Yeah, I do.

[Patty]

Do they look good?

[Tracy]

Well, the thing is, the hair plugs have really evolved, and I'm probably going to get them eventually because you. You go to Istanbul and you get the good hair surgery. There are literal FL lights full of men going and then coming back a couple of days later unrecognizable. You go. You go to Istanbul for the hair surgery, and you look ridiculous for, like, two weeks or whatever.

[Patty]

But you can see, like.

[Tracy]

No, you can't. Like, you can right away because they've done surgery on you. But, like, I. I know two men that I can think of, both of them extremely handsome, who have gotten the. The surgery. So many men get this surgery. I'm totally gonna get it as soon as I need it, which is probably a couple years ago, I would imagine, but.

[Patty]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

And it's also very bloody. And you have to wrap your head in, like, in scarves and stuff. Beauty is.

[Patty]

Oh, well, tell me about it.

[Tracy]

I know.

[Patty]

I switch from waxing to laser hair, and I do it with the nitrous.

[Tracy]

Oh, God. Oh, yeah. I told you about the nitrous.

[Patty]

So I've never been happier.

[Tracy]

Yeah, yeah. Nitrous is, like, the stuff.

[Patty]

Okay, man.

[Tracy]

But the thing is, like, I've seen these wigs. Like, you literally, like, you. You pull them out of the thing, you put it on your. Hey, you know, and, like, it looks like your real hair. Maybe one day I'm gonna come in.

[Patty]

You gotta really take care of those girls.

[Tracy]

I'm gonna come in with hair like yours one day.

[Patty]

Okay, great.

[Tracy]

And it's gonna look natural again.

[Patty]

Like, where are the wigs? Do you pair them? Like, they can be awesome, but this guy sucks.

[Tracy]

This guy really sucks.

[Patty]

So his mug sh taken without a wig. And I'm like, oh, he must have hated that.

[Tracy]

You know? He did.

[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Tracy]

Exactly. Now this is where my girlfriend Carrie says the thing. I was absolutely not expecting what she says.

[Carrie Danes]

Port is attracted to twinks. Young men who look so they tend to be slender, maybe a little bit shorter of stature. They tend to have hairless bodies. So for somebody who has basically seen better days is now really concerned about the lack of hair.

[Tracy]

So if you are somebody who's basically seen better days, like I pass your

[Patty]

prime not long in the tooth.

[Tracy]

He's really concerned about the lack of hair. I'm like, they are just letting this motherfucker have it good. Oh my God. If he watched this, this documentary in prison and saw the picture of himself without the wig and now being described as having seen better days.

[Patty]

And we've all seen it.

[Tracy]

Oh my God, it's divine.

[Patty]

I hope he's miserable.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

This actually sort of sorry to be a wet blanket, but kind of made me think about misogyny and the patriarchy. Like if a straight guy was very vocal and honest about how he exclusively wanted to date like young girlish, hairless.

[Tracy]

Oh, totally.

[Patty]

Like you'd say he's a pedophile.

[Tracy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patty]

Like I'm so sorry to say that, but they like men can it comes to women can sort of hide behind the fact that like there are impossible beauty standards that they have to deal with anyway.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

But if there was a man who was like I prefer them to look as young as possible hairless, you'd be like, that's fudgeing creepy.

[Tracy]

Well, I will only. In defense of my community, I will only say this. I'm not I know, I know you're not coming for us, but it's pride month. Please.

[Patty]

We know, but Fiona has her pride leash all year round.

[Tracy]

That's all I ask.

[Patty]

Okay?

[Tracy]

That's literally all I asked. We are big on our, like, categories. Like, we've got the twinks, We've got. I used to be a bear, now I'm an otter.

[Patty]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tracy]

You know what I mean?

[Patty]

I under heard. Understood.

[Tracy]

Yeah. Monks. There's the whole. There's the whole deal.

[Patty]

I got to try to burn down the patriarchy a little bit every day.

[Tracy]

Because you're absolutely right. If men were like, I'm exclusively into, like, small statured, you know, hairless, girlish

[Patty]

looking women, which they do.

[Carrie Danes]

Yeah.

[Patty]

And like, the beauty industry is all, like, based in pedophilia, basically. Like, think about what they want, like, youth based.

[Tracy]

I know.

[Patty]

You know, hairless.

[Tracy]

I know.

[Patty]

Whatever. Like, I guess I'm part of the problem with my laser hair removal because I just fucking. And can't deal with it.

[Tracy]

And because you're addicted to the nitrous, that's the only reason you're going back.

[Patty]

Can I tell you what happened, though? So I was like. I hated it. It was like. And they're like, oh, it's just like little. It's like a rubber band.

[Tracy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patty]

And I'm like, I still don't want that on me at times. Are you kidding me?

[Tracy]

Right?

[Patty]

So it was, like, painful. And I would go and, like, suck it up. And then I. And the numbing cream does not work at all. Or they make you sit for an hour in a freezing cold office.

[Tracy]

This is also, like, in your lady area, which I would imagine is, like, very, like, tender.

[Patty]

It's ever. The whole thing is tender, but sor

[Tracy]

one, and we've gone too far.

[Patty]

Wrap your whole leg. They put this numbing cream on you and then wrap your legs in, like, Saran Wrap so it stays put. But the office has to be really cold for the lasers. So you're just sitting there, like, for an hour. The numbing starts working after I leave the office, I don't. It doesn't work at all. And they can only put a certain amount because the Novocaine, like, if it seeps in, because it'll kill you. And I'm like, but why? Like, I've asked the nurses, like, I'll sign the thing.

[Tracy]

Let me die.

[Patty]

But, like, then you see an hour wasting your time. Freezing cold. Like, goosebumps everywhere.

[Tracy]

Oh, God.

[Patty]

And so one day, I finally. I've only done it like two or three times. Cuz the guys, I think like three times. I have my fourth coming up or whatever. But like I called the office, I was like, hey, here to make my next appointment. Here's a question. Numbing cream, does shit not working? I hate it. Like I want to go like, the doctor's amazing. Like boring. Like not a med spa like a real dude, right? And they were like, well, we can do nitrous. I was like, you can what? And that was like never told to me. I was like, I'll do that. I'll do. Yeah. And then I called when they called to confirm, I was like. And there's a note about the nitrous there. So then I go in and he was like, hey. So like, like, let's do this.

[Tracy]

It's real dark in there.

[Patty]

Suddenly I'm the dude. So cool. And so. But then I, I took it. I was like, do it. Because they just let you like.

[Tracy]

Yeah, they'll let you suck it until you die.

[Patty]

And at one point he was like, for a second, like, we're losing her, we're losing her. He was like, I'll stop like, like rubber banding your leg. Yeah, just like you'd have to suck in like every two seconds. Yeah, but don't I. Yeah. And then, but after I took that, I was like, oh, this feels good. I was like, does my do it? Does my voice? In my head, my voice sounded weird. He was like, it's not helium. But in my mind it sounded. But then by the time you get home, I still had like a full work day after.

[Tracy]

Oh yeah, it goes. It wears right off.

[Patty]

I picked up a nice little lunch from the bodega. I was like, I do this every week.

[Tracy]

I'm telling you. I went to the dentist that one time where they gave me so much nitrous that I remember thinking I have to stay alive for days.

[Patty]

I'm.

[Tracy]

I was, I was. I couldn't even see. I was in the atmosphere.

[Patty]

And they can't do it on planes because it's like the compressed air. It's like it'll explode or whatever.

[Tracy]

Yeah, we can't have that.

[Patty]

They should be able.

[Tracy]

No, you are in a self imposed. No fly.

[Patty]

But if I could like suck on the nitrous.

[Tracy]

We're back on tour, baby.

[Patty]

I have no pain. I was like, this is awesome.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

I am the dude. I just felt like so fucking like fucking.

[Tracy]

I know.

[Patty]

Anyway, I don't know where we were going with this. Well, the patriarchy. I am part of the Problem because I get laser hair removal because my skin's really sensitive and I'm sick of getting fucking irritation on my legs.

[Tracy]

Well, we're with Connor from the Gay Times and he's saying that he was

[Narrator]

portraying himself in a way that he did not physically appear if you were to meet him in real life. So, for example, as someone in real life that is very socially awkward and shy, on apps, he was very outgoing and he was very chatty and charismatic to the people that he was going to meet. Now, when you then meet them in real life, it was a completely different story.

[Patty]

Catfishing.

[Tracy]

Yeah, well, he's, like, socially awkward on the apps. He's outgoing and chatty, but he's a

[Patty]

total drip in person.

[Tracy]

Kerry says he's lying about everything. Oh, my God. I know. She says on the apps, he says he went to Oxford, but, like, never mentioned where he works.

[Patty]

When we're lying, can we pull it back for two seconds? You have to go right to Oxford. Can't you split the difference?

[Tracy]

My favorite is what his name on the apps is. It's Shy Hunk. That would work on me.

[Patty]

That would totally work on you.

[Tracy]

That's all I want. Just give me my Shy Hunk.

[Patty]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

God. So Anthony Walgate is victim number one. He's from a place called Home. He was really interested in fashion. He went to London to study. He wanted to make it as a designer.

[Patty]

And he's, like, outgoing and sociable. He's everything the killer is not and wants to be.

[Tracy]

Exactly. So Anthony also worked as an escort to pay for school. But the difference was it wasn't a secret. All of his friends knew about it. He was really big on safety. They all knew where he was, who he was with. Like, he. It was a job for him.

[Patty]

Yeah. And so this is how Anthony, our victim, meets the killer.

[Tracy]

Because the killer, who's also an escort, pays this guy $800 to spend the night at. At his house.

[Patty]

Right.

[Tracy]

That's a lot.

[Patty]

Yeah. And so Anthony was assaulted and murdered. And so the next day, Stephen Poor

[Narrator]

ultimately faked a 999 call to report Anthony Walgate's body. So he pretended to be a passerby who had just, at 4 in the morning, happened to come across this young man who was propped up against a wall and seemed unconscious. Port had planted a bottle of GHB on Anthony Walgate.

[Patty]

The killer stages Anthony's body outside.

[Tracy]

But first he goes to work all day. He killed Anthony overnight, goes to work the next day, leaving the body his home, as though Nothing has happened. Yeah. And then, then he comes home and stages the body outside at 4 in the morning.

[Patty]

And he like, props Anthony up against the wall and then plants GHB on Anthony's body. So then he makes this fake call to the cops and he's like, oh, I just, like I'm reporting this stranger that I don't know, like, pretending to be a passerby.

[Tracy]

Yeah. And like the 91 1, it's 999 in London. The dispatcher is awesome.

[Patty]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

He's asking all the right questions, like, where are you? And you can hear Stephen Port, like, does not want to answer any question.

[Patty]

Well, the operator eventually, phone number, and he gets scared and hangs up. But then the operator calls him back and I'm like, how were you just asking for his phone number?

[Tracy]

My favorite part of that too is the dispatcher's like, I believe we were disconnected.

[Patty]

He's like, oh, my God, so sorry.

[Tracy]

We got disconnected.

[Patty]

So real quick, once again, phone number and address, please.

[Tracy]

And I also don't understand, like, why did Stephen Port do this? Like, why didn't you just put the body out and then just, why are you putting yourself in the story?

[Patty]

You know, I think a lot of them, that's the whole point, to be put in the story. And they, they want the cat and mouse game or whatever. But, like, the killer unfolds so easily. Like, you don't have to be a Colombo or a body language expert to hear, like, he can't. He's mumbling, he's tripping over his words. Like, like, the more questions he gets asked. The guy's a mess. He's incoherent.

[Tracy]

Well, and the whole thing is the cops barely investigate at all. And the friends are coming out of the woodwork to tell the cops. No. Like, you're saying he died of a drug overdose. Our friend does not do drugs.

[Patty]

Yes. Well, it's. I love professor dawn, the listener. She goes, I would have thought, okay, this is odd. Let's do a little more digging. The cut to the voiceover. But the police didn't dig deep. And I'm like, And also shitty because

[Tracy]

then, like, well, because the cops just believe it. Like, this is how much like, the cops hate gay people.

[Patty]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

They find a dead gay man with a bottle of GHB on him. They just assume that he died of a drug overdose. They don't investigate because they don't want to talk about the gay stuff and they move on, like, nothing happens.

[Patty]

And it's also one of those things where it's like, well, to sit. Like, choices were made. Like a dangerous lifestyle. So not only is he gay, but, like, a sex worker. Like, they definitely don't care.

[Tracy]

They also point out that, like, his underwear was apparently backwards and upside down. The cop don't question this at all.

[Patty]

Like, that many red flags immediately, like, okay, this guy who called it in is very agitated and weird and can't answer a question, and he's incoherent. And then, like, all of these questions that they should have asked, they just didn't. They were, like, happy to not ask.

[Tracy]

They found drugs on this guy. They didn't even do a toxicology on him. They just found drugs on his person and decided that it was a drug overdose.

[Patty]

But yet they. They tracked down the guy who made the phone call. The killer.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

They got his number from the phone call.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

And when they speak to him, the

[Ryan Edwards]

officers decided to believe Stephen Port when he changed his story about Anthony's death.

[Carrie Danes]

So he says that he found Anthony in his bed, he was dead, and so he panicked and just put him outside like you would do with a used milk bottle.

[Patty]

Now he has a totally and completely

[Tracy]

different story, which is also fine with them.

[Patty]

Reasonable to the cops. So, like, everyone changes their story all the time. What's the problem?

[Tracy]

He's literally like, well, he was like a trick I took home, and he died in my bed. And I freaked out, and I didn't know what to do, so I just

[Patty]

put him outside because, remember, first he was a random passerby who didn't know anything about anything.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

And now. Now his story has changed, and he actually did know Anthony, and Anthony was in his bed.

[Tracy]

And one of our experts says to us, like, this is another red flag. You should know that if the person who calls in the dead body then changes their story, that's like, clue number one that they fucking did it.

[Patty]

Hello?

[Tracy]

Right.

[Patty]

So they charge him with obstruction of justice, and he's out on bail. And then he's, like, off their radar. And we're told this is a massive, massive failure by the police.

[Tracy]

And they say they were so. This is like the Jeffrey Dahmer of it all. They were so close right there. If they had just gone and, like, looked it through his stuff, if they looked at it on his computer, they would have seen all of his fake profiles.

[Patty]

The laptop is right there. The Google searches.

[Tracy]

And then all, like, this was victim number one. The other three men would not have had to have died if the cops had just done the bare minimum of, like, this known Red flag of what killers do. Like, they could have gotten the guy right there.

[Patty]

See, America, it's not just us. It's literally the entire global system of policing.

[Tracy]

True.

[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

Same in my house. And it's so cute because all of the boxes are really bright and colorful, so the pantry looks extra cute.

[Tracy]

You're right. They're so cute.

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

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[Patty]

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[Patty]

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[Tracy]

Truly. So. June 20, 2014, the night after Anthony's body was found, we learned that this guy was in the background of this, like, big TV show called MasterChef.

[Patty]

Celebrity MasterChef Master Chef is Gordon Ramsay.

[Tracy]

Oh, is that right?

[Patty]

Yeah. So that, like Celebrity MasterChef in the UK, like, we're suddenly watching Celebrity MasterC Chef. I was like, did my computer glitch? Like, what's going on here?

[Tracy]

And we're seeing the killer in the background. Like, he's in the kitchen.

[Patty]

He's in there and no one has any idea.

[Tracy]

He, like, he literally killed the guy the night before.

[Patty]

He's like, just on the television show.

[Tracy]

That is what is so wild to me is that, like, you commit a murder and then you're just out in the world out there. Yeah.

[Patty]

And so, like, begging to be caught, basically.

[Tracy]

Yes. And also, like, this guy was just so sloppy. You know what I mean? Like, like this wasn't even like he was like a mastermind killer. Like, he was so sloppy. The cops just didn't care.

[Patty]

Like, breaking news. They rarely are the mastermind. Never. Like, very rarely.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

August 2014, eight weeks after Anthony Walgate's murder, the killer's out on bail. And now we learn about Gabriel Kavari, victim number two. Young man in his 20s. Are we noticing a trend?

[Tracy]

Yes. He's like, he moved to London from Slovakia. He'd been living with another friend in London, but he left that place to move in with Stephen Poor.

[Patty]

The killer.

[Tracy]

The killer. And now we're back with Ryan, the neighbor with the garbage gift. Yeah, Ryan says, steven, the killer texted me, said, come over and meet my new. And so he gets there, and he meets Gabriel. He's like, gabriel's smart. He's cute. He's very funny. He wants to be an artist. I really like this guy. The second Stephen Port leaves the room, Gabriel, who's been living with this man for exactly one day, Gabriel then kind

[Ryan Edwards]

of in hushed tones, leant over to me and said, stephen Port, Ryan is not the person you think he is. He's not a nice person.

[Tracy]

He's like a total monster.

[Patty]

Think of how dire the situation has to be if you're telling this to someone you met 30 seconds ago, and

[Tracy]

you've not even lived with this man for 24 hours.

[Patty]

Gabriel is desperate for help. I mean, that is terrifying.

[Tracy]

I was trying to think about the situation that Gabriel must have been in to have moved in with this guy in the first place.

[Patty]

Well, I think that's it. He feels trapped, and he's, like, the only. I mean, he doesn't know if he can trust Ryan. But Ryan is better than this.

[Tracy]

Right?

[Patty]

Psycho.

[Tracy]

Because, like, within, like, the 12 hours that they've been living together, what has he already done to this kid that's making him say this to Ryan? The stranger nature.

[Patty]

Exactly. So then I guess the killer comes out of the bathroom, and they can't talk about it anymore. So Ryan, the neighbor, tracks Gabriel down on Grindr.

[Tracy]

Now, this is just gay texting. Like, I love this so much that he's like, I didn't get his number. Let me just. He gets on Grindr, there's Gabriel, and he starts DMing him on Grindr, and

[Patty]

he's like, look, if you don't want to live with him, you're more than welcome to crash here. Quote, for a couple of nights. Don't make yourself too comfortable, Gabe. I'm kidding. Ryan, the neighbor, offered and then followed up. Yeah, but I just love that he was like, yeah, for a couple of nights. Like, there's an end date here.

[Tracy]

Yeah. But, like, the next day, he messages Ryan again. He's like, girl, are you coming over or what? No response.

[Patty]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

So now Ryan is like, goes to the killer, and he's like, I messaged

[Ryan Edwards]

Steven just to say, is Gabriel okay? And Stephen replied to me to say, oh, Gabriel's Upton left. I think he's gone to stay with some army guy. And I thought that was a bit strange. And tragically, that was the Last I ever heard of Gabriel.

[Tracy]

And that's the last I heard of Gabriel.

[Patty]

He just packed up in the middle of the night. As mysteriously as he arrived, he left. Like, Bullshit. So by August 28th of 2014, Gabriel has been missing for 5 days.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

Now his body and the found in a churchyard 400 yards away from where Anthony Walgate was found. Like, what a coincidence.

[Tracy]

It's in the neighborhood. Like, he's in. He looks like the. He looks like the other guy that died 400 yards away. Yeah, it's in the exact same neighborhood. The cops come, they think it's just another dead gay drug addict.

[Patty]

So Anthony, the first victim, had GHB on his person. Gabriel had a lot of GHB in his system. The cops, of course, don't see how this is similar. And we know exactly why. One gay shit and two, like, useless drug addicts. Whatever.

[Tracy]

It's like if two people die within 400 meters, yards of each other in

[Patty]

a small neighborhood, both involving ghb.

[Tracy]

Right. And even if there was no obvious connection, which in this case there were so many, you would still have to be like, what the fuck is going on here?

[Patty]

I think they knew. They were just actively not doing anything about it. You can't. I mean, it's ridiculous that you wouldn't be like young gay men. It be. I know they're just like, acting like there are no connections there. But I think in their heart of hearts, as they say, they know. Yeah, they just don't want to deal with the gay shit because if there's more than one, then they have to talk about gay sex and all this stuff, and they don't want to do it.

[Tracy]

So crazy. And so when the police do nothing, Gabriel's friends take to social media. God love the. Get yourself a group of friends.

[Patty]

I know.

[Tracy]

And they. On social media, they find a guy named John Luck. And they realize however they do that John Luck had interacted with Gabriel online a couple of days earlier. So remember, Gabriel's been missing for five days.

[Patty]

Yeah.

[Tracy]

This guy, John Luck, has been interacting with him on the Internet. And of course, unbeknownst to them, this is Stephen Port the killer.

[Patty]

Right. John Luck is Stephen Port one of his catfish profiles.

[Tracy]

Exactly.

[Patty]

So the friends are asking this guy about Gabriel and like, this guy, this rando, who they're just like, like messaging online like they don't know each other. So it's telling him all this crazy shit.

[Carrie Danes]

Like he's aware that Gabriel was involved with older men who would give him drugs and he's Been to orgies with various other young men, and he may have been drugged and been rendered unconscious and then raped.

[Patty]

And then he says, well, he was probably drugged and then raped when he was unconscious. And the friends are like, I'm sorry, who are you again?

[Tracy]

Jesus Christ.

[Patty]

How do you know all this? What are you saying to us right now? Why would you even say that to us?

[Tracy]

Right? And so port as John Locke, when the friends are like, well, our friend is actually dead, he feigns surprise. And then he says to the friends, do you think the police will want to talk to me as my DNA will be on him?

[Patty]

This guy's confessing. He cannot wait to tell everyone about it and get caught. He wants to be caught, desperate to be caught.

[Tracy]

It's almost like he was put in the world to show how awful the cops in this area are for sure, you know?

[Patty]

So now it's 13 months later, it's October 2015, and the killer is finally questioned about Gabriel. Dude is stressed.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

Folded arms, fist clenched. We're back and forth, body language.

[Tracy]

Guy is like, I'm the only one who can tell you what this means. Yeah, he's acting very tense. He's rocking back, his arms are crossed. These are signs of. I'm like, sir, what are we doing? What are we doing here? I know.

[Patty]

And also the word just. I get it. But some of us say it, and some of us are working on it.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

And, like, I'm sorry, not to sound like a total grandma, but don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Don't. Don't make it so obvious that these are connected and then sit there like an anxious wreck. Like, that's what they mean when they say that if you can't, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[Tracy]

No. And then Carrie's here to be like. Well, he says no a bunch of times, but the last two nos are kind of quiet. I'm like, what are we doing, guys?

[Patty]

Shut up, you guys.

[Tracy]

Thank you for your service, but what are we doing here? Let's just tell the story of these fucking gay men that were killed, right?

[Patty]

And how shitty the cops were and, like, getting the killer. So now we're back to September 14th. Sorry, everyone. The timeline, they keep jumping around. Yeah, but it's. They say on screen, three weeks after Gabriel's death, it's murder. I'm gonna say murder. They say death, but it's 100% murder. So then we learn about Daniel Whitworth, who's Victim number three. Very similar. He met the killer online. They were talking for about a month before they meet up in real life.

[Narrator]

Daniel was ultimately also killed and possibly placed in the exact same place as Gabriel's body in the same churchyard. He was found by the same dog walker who had found Gabriel Kovari just three weeks earlier.

[Tracy]

The exact same spot, they say the same spot in the churchyard. And they leaned it up against the

[Patty]

same gravestone, and the same dog walker.

[Tracy]

Oh, my God.

[Patty]

Found them.

[Tracy]

Oh, my. Can you imagine being this dog? You're just out.

[Patty]

I have to move.

[Tracy]

You have to.

[Patty]

I'm cursed. I have to move you out.

[Tracy]

You. You have to.

[Patty]

Everywhere. Am I like death suddenly? Am I the grim Reaper, like, coming with the thing?

[Tracy]

It's also just like another young, good looking, white gay guy found with drugs on him in the exact same spot by. Found by the exact same person. I see no connection here.

[Patty]

But this time there's a note.

[Tracy]

Yes. Oh.

[Patty]

Part suicide note, part confession. All bullshit.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

So we got to break this down because it's absurd.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

The note basically says as the. This is like, from the victim allegedly writing. The killer wrote it.

[Tracy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Patty]

But the note basically says, I'm sorry, I can't go on. I took the life of my friend Gabriel. Now connecting two murders.

[Tracy]

Yes. And taking responsibility for Gabriel's murder.

[Patty]

We were at a friend's house. We were partying. We got carried away. I gave him another shot of ghb. I didn't notice while we was having sex that he had stopped breathing. First of all, how do you not notice? Second, that's this guy's quote, fetish.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

I tried everything to get him to breathe. It was too late. It was an accident. I'm blaming myself for what happened. I can't face my family. I can't go to prison. But at least now I can be Gabriel again. I hope he forgives me. And then he writes, literally, btw.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

Btw.

[Tracy]

Did he really write btw?

[Patty]

He literally wrote btw. Like the letters btw.

[Carrie Danes]

Btw. Please do not blame the guy I was with last night. We only had sex, then I left.

[Patty]

He knows nothing of what I have done.

[Carrie Danes]

But don't look at him. He's not relevant. Why would you bother in a suicide note to point out something that is irrelevant?

[Patty]

He knows nothing of what I've done. And I dropped my phone on the way here. It should be in the grass somewhere.

[Tracy]

I know. My favorite thing is, like, the cops are like, this sounds like exactly what happened.

[Patty]

Sorry to everyone. Love Always.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

Daniel, you know what?

[Tracy]

We figured out who killed the other. This is. This is it. We got to go home early tonight, guys.

[Patty]

Never have I seen a more authentic piece of paper.

[Tracy]

It's Shakespearean.

[Patty]

They are definitely not connected, even though there are about 17 similarities. What is it? 501. I'm out of here, fellas.

[Tracy]

They, like, they literally believe every word in the suicide note. They believe it all.

[Patty]

Like, anything involving GHB is like kryptonite to them. They just, like. It's truly insane. This guy has gotten away with three murders. And at this, he's like, damn, Seriously? Fine. I will literally direct you to me again.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

He's, like, begging the cops to catch him. Girl.

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[Patty]

Same thing. He's wringing his hands and he's a Nervous wreck.

[Tracy]

I know, I know. But now he should be there. What has happened in the interim is that the case has finally been turned over to like the bigger police authority or whatever. They're like, this is too big for us. Three bodies in the exact same location, all found by the same dog walker. They all look, we cannot figure out. Figure this out.

[Patty]

And they're gay.

[Tracy]

And they're gay. And they're gay.

[Patty]

You guys know they're gay, right?

[Tracy]

So they turn it over. There he's being questioned about the suicide note. Did you write it? He's saying, no.

[Patty]

Shaking like a leaf.

[Tracy]

I love the cop being like, you telling the truth, Stephen?

[Patty]

He's like, yeah, yeah. Why? Who's asking? And they're like, totally believe you. Oh my God.

[Tracy]

Because it's worked for him every single time.

[Patty]

Are we keeping you, Steven?

[Tracy]

Oh, and then this was a bombshell. We learn the three murders that happened within 13 months of each other neighbor Ryan, who lived next door to the killer.

[Ryan Edwards]

The fact there was one young gay man found dead in Barking town centre was, you know, extraordinary enough. And then when there were two and there were three again, amazingly, completely unaware that these events were occurring just meters from where I lived.

[Tracy]

He knew nothing about it. So not only did the police not investigate, there's no press coverage of any of this. And Ryan is here to be like, I was fucking shocked, like, to learn, wake up one day, like, cuz now it's on the news, to learn that three bodies had been found in Ryan's backyard, like in the churchyard across the street, over the course of 13 months. And nobody in the community knew anything about it.

[Patty]

It's crazy. So March 23, 2015. The killer is in prison for lying about Anthony Walgate's body.

[Tracy]

The one that he like, was like, he died in my bed and I

[Patty]

moved him outside, right, because remember, he called 911 then, said he was a passerby, refused to give his phone number. They found him anyway and then he totally changed his story.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

And then the cops were so weirded out by two dudes in bed together that they were like, all right, stop talking about it.

[Tracy]

We get it.

[Patty]

We believe you. God. So the killer's away for two months, he gets out and almost immediately meets Jack Taylor. And now we're back to the beginning

[Tracy]

of this is where we started. So victim number four, Jack Taylor, they met September 13, 2015. Jack was killed, drugged with GHB, left in the churchyard, same as the other three victims. We're now four victims in the same church.

[Patty]

He is begging for the cops to connect it.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

Because even like the killer at this point is like, are you seriously not going to come find me? What do I have to do?

[Tracy]

It's almost as though the cops want somebody out there killing gay people.

[Patty]

Almost as if, you know, wouldn't be the first time.

[Tracy]

So the cops again, don't connect the murders.

[Carrie Danes]

Jack is found with a syringe and a needle in his pocket. But this is an immediate red flag to his family because they know that he was not just not a drug user, he was anti drug use.

[Patty]

He was not a drug user. He. She was like, he was drugged by force. The needles and drugs were planted on him.

[Tracy]

They were, yes, because they found the needles in his pocket.

[Patty]

She's like, there's no fucking way. Like, no. Like, no. So she tells us to the cops, quote, they discarded it. She goes, they just had none of it.

[Tracy]

No. And so there's that CCTV footage, which is what we opened with, where we see the killer and Jack walking from the train station. And Donna is like, you've got to release this CCTV footage and see if anybody knows that man is obviously the killer. The cops don't want to do it.

[Patty]

They don't.

[Tracy]

And they only do it because she basically forces them to. And it's only when they release that footage that another copy sees Stephen Port on the video and he's like, that's the guy that we questioned in that other murder. Wait a second.

[Patty]

Oh, my God. What? What? What?

[Tracy]

Yes. And had it not been for Donna, like, the connection never would have been. This is the only way they're able to start connecting the murders.

[Patty]

Yeah. And we we've been with Matt. This. He's like an independent auditor guy who's like, here to be like. Here's like a bird's eye view of what the cops did and what they should have done. Yeah, but he, he's not giving the cops any fucking flowers for this. Because he's like, the cops should have connected the 1 million very obvious dots. Like, if Jack's family didn't push for this, we wouldn't be here. So no flowers for us.

[Tracy]

And, like, how many more people would be dead?

[Patty]

Like, you don't get your credit for finally doing your job 16 months late. Shut up.

[Tracy]

No. So October 4, 2016, the trial begins and we learned that Port had a lot of surviving victims. So, like, men that he drugged and raped but didn't kill. And a lot of them came forward to testify and they were saying that, like.

[Narrator]

And it was very Brave. And it really was what helped Port get convicted, because ultimately we didn't have the testimony of the four murder victims.

[Tracy]

Their testimony was so helpful because they obviously don't have the testimony of the dead gay men. So these guys were there to speak basically on their behalf.

[Patty]

It was really, really important and awesome that they all did that. It must have been terrifying.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

So the killer gets life in prison. He will never be released, we're told.

[Tracy]

Yeah.

[Patty]

He's charged with the murders of the four men, plus 22 other offenses against seven other victims.

[Tracy]

And that's just the ones that we know about.

[Patty]

Right.

[Tracy]

We hear all the time, like, whenever we cover a case that has anything to do with Grindr, like, how many people don't come forward?

[Patty]

100%. So Jack's awesome sister Donna gives a statement to the press. She's standing outside the courthouse, and this goddamn queen says, that sick, twisted scumbag will never be able to hurt or destroy anyone else's family or life. Sick, twisted scumbag. Put it in the Louvre and hang

[Tracy]

it in the Louvre. I love it because, like, for so many years and so many decades, like, these. These. These murders, like, this would go unsolved because nobody was looking for these people. Like, they left their families, and they were transient in their neighbor, and nobody even noticed when they went missing. Like, but, like, it's so nice and affirming to see, like, we live in a world where friends are coming out of the woodwork and doing the work, and then the family is pushing to get things done.

[Patty]

And how many times have we seen that? Where it's like, the family and the friends saying, like, no, no, no, we care. You don't care. We care.

[Tracy]

Yes.

[Patty]

Like, they. They thought we didn't care, but we always cared. We were always waiting for that phone call. Like the Fox Hollow murders. I'm thinking about, like, so many. We see this time and time and time again where the families are, like, begging. Yeah.

[Tracy]

The Gacy murders, you know, like, we see it all the time. And it ends with, like, a list of the victims. It was Anthony Walgate, age 23. Gabriel Kovari, age 22. Daniel Whitworth, age 21. Jack Taylor, age 25.

[Patty]

And also in December of 2021, there's an inquest because at least three of the four murders could have been prevented. Yes, but the cops were willfully ignorant and bigoted. They don't make it very clear. But, like, the records show that the cops were in the wrong here.

[Tracy]

Yeah. And it Sundays as of May 2024, eight Metropolitan Police officers were being investigated for gross misconduct and possible breaches of professional standards in the Stephen Port Inquiry.

[Patty]

None of the officers under are featured in this program.

[Tracy]

Shocking.

[Patty]

I mean, come on.

[Tracy]

Oh, my God, girl. We did the Grindr Killer. We got to hear that lady say twink and then describe what it is.

[Patty]

And a coot.

[Tracy]

And a coot. Bald as a coot. I believe she said.

[Patty]

Give it 10 years. That'll be a category. I'm a coot.

[Tracy]

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[Patty]

Well, you want to know what we're doing next?

[Tracy]

Oh, what are we doing next?

[Patty]

It's big, huge news. We're doing the Crash on Netflix, baby.

[Tracy]

Oh, my star.

[Patty]

And I'm going to tell you right now, everyone I know you're freaking out. The day our episode of the Crash drops on Patreon, I'm going to do an after party telling you and Patrick all of the things that, quote, Netflix left out. Everything that's come out since it came out. The court records, the Mean Girl Murders episode, the cases up. We're going through it.

[Tracy]

It's all going to be there. So we're going to the episode of the crash and that afterparty come out on the same day.

[Patty]

We're talking about it all. And then I'm never talking about this little bitch again.

[Tracy]

What about Kendra?

[Patty]

Kendra. Oh, from unknown number. We'll get to it. What do you hear? The episode.

[Tracy]

We love you, family.

[Patty]

We love you. Stay safe, please. Happy Pride. Except for the Cops. Yeah, they're not invited. Everyone's invited except for them. Bye.

[Cliff Lansley]

A car crash claimed two young lives and injured a third early yesterday morning.

[Tracy]

This is the best friend group that I've ever had in my life. We had just graduated high school.

[Patty]

Mackenzie, Sherilla,

[Tracy]

Dom and Kenzie, we love you, baby. They're such a duo. I was Davion's best friend and we were going to be unstoppable.

[Patty]

That split second changed all of our lives forever.