507: The Crash

Summary

Podcast Summary: True Crime Obsessed, Episode 507: “The Crash” (June 16, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Jillian Pensavalli and Patrick Hinds break down the Netflix documentary "The Crash," which delves into the tragic car accident in Strongsville, Ohio, that claimed the lives of Dominic Russo (20) and Davion Flanagan (19), and critically injured the driver, Mackenzie Shirilla (17 at the time). The central question of the documentary—and the episode—is whether this horrific event was an accident or a calculated murder. As always, Jillian and Patrick take a sharp, often humorous, but heartfelt approach, balancing outrage, empathy, and signature True Crime Obsessed sass.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction: Setting the Scene ([01:23]–[03:32])

• The documentary opens with police bodycam footage on July 31, 2022, at 6:20 am, at the crash site in Strongsville, Ohio.
• The horror of the scene is described in vivid detail; the car is split in half.
• Three occupants: Mackenzie (driver, unconscious but alive), Davion (deceased), Dominic (deceased).
• Early question posed: Was this a tragic accident or murder?

“The real question is, was this a horrific accident or was this murder?” — Patrick [03:32]

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The Friend Group & Toxic Dynamics ([03:39]–[05:00])

• Focus on Mackenzie’s social circle: Rosie (her best friend), Dom (boyfriend), Davion (newer to the group), Bubba (Rosie’s boyfriend).
• Noted that Dom (20) and Mackenzie (17) began dating when she was 13; Patrick expresses discomfort with the age gap [05:06].
• Jillian questions the authenticity of the group's closeness, especially their connection to Davion.

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First Responders & Crash Details ([05:13]–[05:54])

• Police and EMTs are audibly shaken witnessing the carnage.
• The presence of psychedelic mushrooms, weed, and a digital scale in the car is established early on as central to the investigation.

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Mackenzie’s Parents & Family Dynamics ([06:25]–[07:12], [08:17]–[09:00])

• Mackenzie’s parents, Natalie and Steve, are painted as enabling and self-absorbed. Steve’s “boom” comic t-shirt becomes symbolic of their shallow approach to tragedy.
• Jillian and Patrick lambast the parents' lack of displayed empathy for the victims.

“These are not parents. They're people who want to sit at the cool kids' table with their bully, asshole, little bitch of a daughter.” — Jillian [08:59]

• Contrast with Davion’s and Dom’s families: Deep grief and genuine love expressed, especially by Divine (Davion’s sister) and Frank (Dom’s father).

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The Investigation: Prosecutor’s Perspective ([11:28]–[12:29])

• Introduction of prosecutor Tim Troop—described as a no-nonsense "diva."
• Tim’s two goals: get justice for the families and uncover the truth.
• No skid marks, no sign of braking; suspicion immediately arises about intent.

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Mackenzie’s Reputation & Phone Evidence ([14:03]–[17:06])

• The police and prosecutor examine Mackenzie’s phone (parents unwittingly give them the passcode).
• Massive trove of evidence: video and texts revealing habitual drug use, risky driving behaviors, and a deeply toxic personality.

“Phones are a treasure trove of information, and Mackenzie’s is, like, packed to the brim.” — Tim Troop (via Patrick) [17:06]

• Rosie, the influencer best friend, refuses to cooperate with police—loyal only to Mackenzie, not to truth or the victims.

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Social Media Culture & Performative Grief ([17:27]–[21:28], [54:26]–[54:59])

• In-depth analysis of Rosie’s influencer persona and Mackenzie’s attempts to be the same.
• Both are called out for performative grief and insincerity.
• Mackenzie’s post-crash social media actions (e.g., Instagram collaboration requests, TikToks of crying at memorials) are seen as attention-seeking and disturbing.

“She just does not get the anguish she's caused. And neither do her parents.” — Patrick [53:25]

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The Evidence Mounts: Digital and Physical ([46:16]–[47:27], [61:24]–[63:17])

• Surveillance video and event data reveal Mackenzie accelerated to 97.8 mph with 100% gas pedal depression for five seconds before the crash—no braking, full intention.

“To push the pedal all the way to the floor and then hold it there for five seconds, that's hard. This took effort. This was done on purpose.” — Patrick [63:06]

• Data also shows the victims likely fought for control of the car in their final seconds, inferred by gear shifts and steering inputs.

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Toxic Relationship & History of Abuse ([67:01]–[72:26])

• Mackenzie’s psychological abuse and threats toward Dominic are revealed via friends’ testimony and text evidence.

“She told him that she did voodoo on him to make him love her.” — Jillian [67:27]

• Dom tried multiple times to end the relationship; Mackenzie allegedly threatened suicide and violence if he left.
• Witnesses confirm Mackenzie previously threatened to crash the car with Dominic in it—vital in proving prior calculation for murder.

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Defense Failures & Courtroom Drama ([76:50]–[91:13])

• Mackenzie testifies, adopting a new persona and blaming a “medical emergency” (claiming a POTS diagnosis) for the crash.
• Prosecution handily refutes this; no medical records or expert testimony support this claim.
• Evidence of ongoing abuse surfaces in voice recordings played in court.
• Families of victims are seen in court learning the true nature of the crash—a devastating scene.
• Mackenzie is found guilty of aggravated murder and receives a sentence of 15 years to life (concurrent for both murders).

“The sentences are running concurrently, they're not consecutive...The judge is trying to say to Mackenzie, ‘Do this right, you might actually be able to have a life on the other side of this.’” — Patrick [91:03]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the crash and parental enablers:
  "There are so many pictures of Mackenzie in the hospital posing and crying, looking for attention—and you know her idiot mother is taking the pictures." — Jillian [26:44]

• On Rosie and the influencer lie:
  "Rosie’s a boring ass, uninteresting bitch...and also loves being in this documentary, by the way." — Jillian [20:02]

• On the toxic relationship:
  "His response is, 'Kenzie, this isn't right and you know it.' He's begging her to be reasonable and not threaten him anymore." — Jillian [70:59]

• Defining moment of the evidence:
  "No skid marks anywhere...the heartbreaking thing is that it appears that Dom and Davion were doing everything they could to avoid crashing into the building." — Jillian [63:25]

• On Mackenzie’s performative apology:
  "Zero emotion, zero remorse...It's totally valid to sit with your lawyer, but it's how she's doing it." — Jillian [92:07]

• On the families and real grief:
  "There have been a handful of days since I lost Davion that I've been happy, genuinely. And the day we handed off the scholarship was one." — Davion’s father, Scott [95:36]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:32] – Was this an accident or murder?
• [12:02] – Prosecutor Tim Troop enters: “Most significant case I’ve ever worked on.”
• [17:06] – Phone evidence critical ("treasure trove").
• [46:19]–[47:27] – Surveillance and event data detail Mackenzie’s deliberate driving.
• [61:35]–[63:17] – Black box evidence, analysis of pedal and steering data.
• [67:01]–[72:26] – Testimonies about prior threats, controlling and abusive behaviors.
• [76:50]–[78:02] – Mackenzie’s interview, performs a new "voice" and blames a medical emergency.
• [84:17] – Prosecution demolishes the POTS defense.
• [91:13] – Sentencing and judicial guidance.

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• The episode is a scathing indictment of parental enabling and social-media-fueled disconnection from real consequences.
• Mackenzie’s guilt is portrayed as inescapable by the documentation, technology, and the heartbroken testimonies from the victims’ families.
• The "mean girl" culture and influencer facade are heavily critiqued.
• The episode closes by commending the victims’ families for establishing a scholarship in Davion’s name, ensuring his legacy.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• Even without prior viewing of the Netflix documentary, this recap covers the characters, motives, key evidence, and emotional beats.
• The podcasters’ trademark humor flavors the content, but their anger and empathy for the victims are clear.
• Major sections with timestamps help you locate pivotal content if you wish to watch the documentary yourself.

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Next Up:
The next episode will cover a Dateline entry, "Secrets in the Ashes" with Andrea Canning—another deep dive into secrets, manipulation, and murder.

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Additional Resources:
Patreon afterparty available for exclusive behind-the-scenes case details, court documents, and extended research.

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Memorable Mic Drop:

“All of those things are damaging to her psyche. And I said yes, but to take it further, all of those things contributed to the deaths of Dom and Davion. 100%—we wouldn't be here.” — Jillian [93:41]

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End of Summary

Transcript

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You know who's thrilled that this doc is out?

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Who?

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That piece of shit mother from unknown number.

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Oh, Kendra.

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Because the heat's off her for a minute because two new piece of shit parents have entered the ring.

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Best day of her life.

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Ugh.

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Hi. Jillian Benzavalli.

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Hello. Patrick Hines.

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Bam. We have just hit 500,000 subscribers on YouTube. 500,000 subscribers on YouTube.

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That is insane.

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I mean, it happens. So half a million of you are watching. Watching us. Hi.

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Hi. I was like, who just did?

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Someone just walked in.

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Nothing.

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It's Gina Gershon. No, I'm just kidding.

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Not again.

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Not again. If you want to watch our full episodes, go check out it's true crime obsessed podcast on YouTube. It's so fun. We give good YouTube. Interact with us there. Comment, we comment back. It's so fun. We love it so much. What's the other thing? Patreon. Yeah, we also have a Patreon.

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We also have a Patreon.

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We've got like over 500 full ad free bonus episodes. We do after parties where sometimes we do AMAs, sometimes we tell each other cases that they don't have documentaries for. We've got the hero belts here where we send you stuff in the mail a couple of times a year. And for June, I'm telling you, we are sending out TCO Pride Martini Shakers.

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Yeah. We always do a fun thing for pride.

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Yeah.

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And this year we're really excited.

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I think we knocked it out of the park with the shaker. It's kind of crazy.

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It's very fun.

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All right. I'm feeling the pressure today. Tell them what we're talking about, girl.

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All right. We're doing the Crash on Netflix now. I know.

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Okay, here we go.

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Speaking of Patreon, I know everyone is up in arms about what Netflix did and did not include.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Do not fear. Do not worry.

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Jillian is here.

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We did a whole after party about it where I do my best to fill in the blanks. It's on Patreon right this minute at

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the after party theater. So that's the kind of stuff that we do over there. At the after party. Jillian did a huge deep dive, told us everything that was left out, like

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case files, which are all available. Like, everything I got is available and on the Internet. I can't. I can only do so much. I can't do a two hour after party. But it's all out there.

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I can't. You just see the top knot, Jillian, at three in the morning, pencil through the knot. Just like, just like pouring over.

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Not to be confused with this bitches bun that we're going to deal with later.

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I can't wait to get to the butt. Why is this not called the Butt?

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Because she's an asshole.

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Okay, okay, okay, okay. A car crash claimed two young lives and injured a third early yesterday morning. This is the best friend group that I've ever had in my life.

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We had just graduated high school. Dom and Kenzie, I love you baby.

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They're such a duo. I was Davion's best friend and we are going to be unstoppable.

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That split second changed all of our lives forever.

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Well, we open on July 31, 2022 at 6:20 in the morning. This is like the cold open of the documentary. And we see the police body cam footage of them arriving on scene of the crash.

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Yeah, it's July 31st at 6, 6:20 in the morning in Strongsville, Ohio.

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It's really bad. Like you hear the cops talking. This car is literally split in half. I've never seen anything like it. We learn there are three occupants in the car. The driver is still breathing though she's unconscious. They get her talking. She says her name is Mackenzie.

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Yeah. And Davion Flanagan is in the car. He's 19, he is deceased. And Dominic Russo, who's 20, also died.

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And the way the cold open ends, they say the real question is, was this a horrific accident or was this murder?

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Well, this is a doc that's packed with people who do nothing but like out themselves as horrible people. First up, Rosie fucking Graham. Mackenzie's best friend.

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Yeah, she really, like, Rosie really needs us to know that she sat with the cool kids in the cafeteria at lunch. She needs us to know it.

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She wants to be like she is. Everyone here is terrified of this bully, mackenzie.

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Yes.

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And she is still ruling by fear, even from prison.

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It's true.

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So Rosie, Graham is like, no, everything's fine, everything's fine. And she tells us about the friend group. Davion, Dominic McKenzie and Rosie's boyfriend Bubba.

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Yeah. Kenzie was 17, Devian was 19, Dominic was 20. And Bubba. Do you know Bubba? Bubba is what I call Daisy. I call, I call her Bubba because I used to call her Baby Baby and then it just became Bubba. Now I call her Bub. So anytime I see another Bubba, I'm like, that's not your name, that's Daisy's dad.

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Yeah, this is like a 20 something year old guy who's still going by Bubba. Bubba's like the bond we had was gonna be Unstoppable, whatever that and Bubba were as close with Davion.

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Yes.

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As they want us to think. Like these people are very clearly Mackenzie's friends.

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Yes.

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And so I just think like Davion has amazing people here speaking for him, but I just want to call that out because I don't buy it.

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No. Yeah, Davion was kind of new to the group.

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Rosie says Davion's. Everybody's laughing. He's the funniest guy. He was just goofy. And Dom and Kenzie, they're such a duo.

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They were the total duo. They were always together. They'd been together for four years by the time of the crash.

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Well, you know, that's interesting because she 17 and he is 20, which means when they started dating she was 13 and he was 16.

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Yeah.

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So I don't like that.

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Having a 12 year old daughter, I

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don't love those numbers, you know? You know, so let's go back to the body cam footage of the crash. At 6:30am the first responders are realizing that Dominic and Davion have been killed. And they are grown audibly groaning at the horror of this scene saying, you know, rest in peace, buddy. This is the worst crash I have ever seen is what they're saying. I mean, it's unbelievable.

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It's terrible. And like you always wonder, like before we had police body cams, footage like this, like what it would be like to be the cop who's like the first on the scene to deal with

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the carnage, to see something. So I mean, really, the car is destroyed. We'll get into it later. But it really shook me.

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Yeah, no, me too, me too. They find mushrooms, like psychedelic mushrooms and weed in the car. Then we see the body cam footage of the cops telling Mackenzie's parents that the other two people in the car are dead. They look like they're either at the police station or in a hospital waiting room. We're not sure, but I'm like, we've got to do better than the cop does not know the name of the people that are dead. And when they start offering names, like maybe it could, it could be that person.

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Yeah.

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And I get that they don't have a lot of information, but like, maybe then just don't say anything.

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I know, but fudge these two people. So Mackenzie's parents are Natalie the mom, Steve the dad. Did you clock that fucking shirt he was wearing?

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Everything about this is. Remember we used to always say, like, run the comb through your hair when you know the documentary crew is coming.

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People so Steve, the dad is wearing a shirt that says boom.

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No.

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Like, it's in a comic book. Like, no. So I wore a shirt today that says karma. So this is for you, Steve.

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Shut. He's getting his. If the Internet is telling me anything, Steve is getting his.

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It's all in the after party, baby. But, like, boom. Like it's a comic book. Like, you know, the old Batman. Like, bang, zoom, whatever.

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Yes.

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Quite a choice for this moment and should tell you a lot about how awful these parents are. This is how they're choosing to present themselves in this documentary.

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Steve, the dad also tells us Dom and her were living together. There was talk of getting married. He was part of our family. Someone my daughter was planning a life with.

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It's so crazy to hear the parents say, like, Dom is part of our family. And then their total lack of empathy for the situation.

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Not a tear is shed.

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And thing is all about them and Mackenzie, like their best friend Mackenzie. These are not parents. They're not parents.

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Yes.

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They're just not.

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No. The other thing we should talk about how, like, when moms and dads are like that, they're My best friends.

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But Mackenzie's like, fudge. Those people. They're not my friends.

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Right.

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Like, that's how she acts.

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Mackenzie's never met her parents.

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She. No, she doesn't have parents.

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She does not have parents.

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I don't know who these people. They are not parents. There they are people who want to sit at the cool kids table. They're bully, asshole, little bitch of a daughter.

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It's like this is that movie Heather's where it's like all of the parents just want to be friends with their popular daughters. I mean, I know in what world? Not in my house. Daisy Tipton Hines.

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Look. Okay, so we meet Dominic's family. Frank, his dad, and Christine, his sister. She has a podcast now. We will talk about her in the after party.

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Oh, I didn't know.

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She's like, debunking some things and talking about a lot of things. We'll get to Christine.

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Christine, I like you. I'm into Christine.

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Yeah. Look, the families of the victims here are doing their best. I love Davion's family, too. We'll get to them in a minute. Yeah, they're just explaining how shocking and surreal this is.

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And also, like, Dominic's dad went to the crash site. The way it went straight into the building. That didn't make any sense because there was no skid marks before the impact. Right away questions were going, were they drunk? Did they fall asleep? Are they on drugs? I. I don't know what happened. There were no skid marks before the crash site. Like, how could this. Unless that, like, they were passed out or like already dead in the car. How could there not? How did nobody, like, pump the brakes?

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It's immediately making sense to people right away. Even like non experts, just people are like, the math is not mathing here.

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Exactly.

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Davion's family is here. Divine is his sister and Scott is his father.

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Yeah.

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And Davion was a football star and he had plans to go to school to become a barber, which I love.

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Yes.

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And Divine says that she and Davion and her sister came from, quote, a tough upbringing and they were all adopted together from foster care.

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Yeah. And like, the way she describes him. And we'll get more of this from her throughout, but like, he was the only constant in her life. We don't know at what age they were adopte by this family. So it seems like not from birth. So like, Divine is like, Davion was everything to her.

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Yeah.

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Her savior. He was one that picked her up when she fell down. He was her like, constant confidant in life.

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And I would think that when you grow up together in the foster system, like, you've been through the trenches together, it's a very strong, very specific bond.

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Yes, yes.

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Even though they're with a very loving, generous family, like, when you go through something like that, I can only imagine, of course, like, hey, bubba, that's the bond that's unbreakable.

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Yeah. I mean, you all know this. Like, Steve and I were foster parents. That's how we adop Daisy. She came to us at birth. But like, when that doesn't happen, as it seems to be the case for Divine and Davion, like, we don't know how many families they went through. We don't know what their experience was. And like, I can tell you, like, the foster care system is rough.

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Right? So now, oh, Cleveland, Ohio. We can tell by how this is shot that this guy doesn't take any shit. The music changes. We don't see his face at first. It's just a close up of him walking with purpose, holding a briefcase. And I'm like, okay, who's this diva?

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I always love when they're like, can we get that shot of you walking down the hall?

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Some kind of music like that.

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Do you want to be holding a cup of coffee?

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And I'm like, who is this diva? His name is Tim Troop. He's the prosecutor.

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I've worked on easily over a thousand serious felony cases. This is without a doubt the most significant case I ever worked on.

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By far the most significant case he's ever worked on.

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Yeah. And he's saying Strongville, the place where this happened, like, does not have a lot of violent crime. It's a very peaceful place. And the, the department wanted to do this, right? They wanted a prosecutor working on this from the very beginning so they could fully investigate and find out what the hell happened.

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And so Tim has two goals. Number one, get justice for the families who he says have so cruelly had their loved ones taken from them. And two, try to figure out what the hell happened.

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Yes.

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How did this happen?

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No skid marks, zero.

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So Tim, also, that's just a good rule in life. Not when you're trying to put like,

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way to go there early in the episode.

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I just, I gotta get it out of the way now. We don't have to say it again.

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You can't say skid marks and not exactly think of that because everyone's saying it and everyone's thinking it.

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Right? So, okay, yeah. So Tim walks us through the scene, the Interior of the car had exploded.

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Yeah.

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And Mackenzie was the only one wearing her seatbelt.

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Yeah, I think we'll find out why later. Yeah, my guess is the other guys were wearing their seatbelts until they weren't.

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Oh, interesting. Yeah, Dominic was in the passenger seat. And we're told the primary impact was on Dominic, her boyfriend's side of the car. Yes, he was laying in the front seat. And Davion was originally in the backseat, but when the cops. Cops get there, he is laying stacked on top of Dominic. So we'll get into the how and perhaps why of that.

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They also, in the car, as I mentioned, they find marijuana and they find those like magic mushrooms or whatever. They find a digital scale.

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Yeah.

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Like they were selling, it seems.

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Yeah.

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You know, or maybe they were just like. Maybe they were just trying to take the recommended dose. I don't know.

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The records are out there and even Rosie mentions it in a minute. That idiot Rosie. So she's a model.

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I don't know if you know that or not.

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Look, we will get to it and I will be as diplomatic as I can.

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Followers. She had what?

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Wait. Oh, no, no, no.

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I'm jumping the gun. I'm jumping the gun.

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This is a big, like all these drugs and the scale or whatever. Like this is a big deal for the cops or the prosecutor.

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I'm ticking through the potentials of what could have caused this crash. Was it operator error? Was it substance abuse? Or could it be a much more serious felony? We needed to get a full picture of who Mackenzie Scarrilla was.

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Was she on shrooms? Like maybe that would somehow make a little bit of sense if she was tripping.

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Because I was gonna say, like what I'm about to say is horrible, but that would be the best case scenario, right?

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That she had. She. I don't know, saying her. She was having a bad trip or something. Right. So who exactly is Mackenzie Scherrilla? Short answer, she's fucking awful.

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Yeah. We missed meet Faith, who's Mackenzie's childhood friend. And now Mackenzie, Faith. Faith is here to tell us like she's another one who just wants to sit with the cool kids.

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All of these people, she's for sure the Betty fan are like not smart. And I'm not even just saying that as a joke. Like her parents. Yeah, these friends, they're just not intelligent people and they are just defending this mean girl to the death.

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Yeah. I mean, because Faith is saying that like Faith was bullied and Mackenzie would stick up for her.

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Oh, really? That's Weird, because literally nobody else says that.

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You're the only one, Faith. You're the only one here saying she was so loyal. Ye.

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We will get to Faith later. Mackenzie has serious injuries. I mean, obviously, when you look at the car, it's amazing that she's even alive.

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It is shock. I mean, like, wear your seatbelts, everybody. Like, no joke.

[A]

So she has a broken femur, an arm, three broken ribs, a lacerated liver, lacerated kidneys, a snap neck, which caused damage to both her carotid arteries. Like, all of this makes sense again, when you see the car, it exploded.

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She's also, like, a teeny, tiny person. Like, it's shocking that she survived these injuries.

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Right. So the cops wanna talk to Mackenzie, and her parents won't allow that without a lawyer. Like, fine, great.

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But then the police attempted to get access to her cell phone.

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That's when he asked me for the passcode. So of course we gave it. Go ahead, go. Search whatever you want. The parents give the cops access to Mackenzie's phone, and the mom's like, go ahead, Search whatever you want. And I'm like, you were so close.

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I know.

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You asked for the lawyer, and then you totally negated that by literally putting in the passcode.

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I know.

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Glad you did. Because, like, yeah, fuck you.

[B]

But I just saw a defense attorney on TikTok saying, don't. You don't have to do that. If the cops ask you for your passcode, it is your constitutional right not to give it to them.

[A]

This is a whole slew of people who have never once had to deal with the consequences of any action, ever. Mackenzie most of all. Yeah, but they are just like, what? Like, they think she's so perfect or they're that scared of her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That they just think everything's going to be fine.

[B]

And there's no. Like, they never had the conversation of, like, this is how you interact with police.

[A]

Police.

[B]

These are your rights, because you're going to need to know them.

[A]

Because she's a victim all the time, and everyone's doing wrong by her. Everyone's lying to her, like Princess Mackenzie.

[B]

It's also one of those things where you hate yourself because you're glad that they did it. You're glad that they gave them the passcode. It's like, you want that in the. In the time when it's good. It's for the forces of good.

[A]

Yeah. Because Tim, the prosecutor says that the phone, like, phones are a treasure trove of information.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Mackenzie's is, like, packed to the brim.

[B]

Well, because they're looking for evidence of intoxication, mostly because they want that to be the case. They want there to be a reason for why this happened. They're looking for any communication that might give any indication of what they were doing that night. They're looking at her social media posts. And so now this is when we get Rosie, who's going to explain what high school is like for them.

[A]

She would come to school with, like, a purse instead of a bag, which I thought was really cute. I got along with her well because I'm like, you're cute.

[B]

She's like, you're cute.

[A]

And I'm like, okay, we get along so well. Rosie was very impressed that MacKenzie used a purse instead of, like, a book bag. And they got along because they were both like, oh, my God, you're cute. And I'm like, oh, my God, we're both so cute. Oh, my God, we get along so well.

[B]

This is where Rosie says, like, when we met, we met on social media. I had over 200,000 followers. How did Rosie get 200,000 followers in high school? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you're gonna lose your fucking mind. What I tell you.

[B]

Oh, my God. Really?

[A]

She has lost followers since I first watched this. When I first watched this, she had 996.2 thousand followers on TikTok. What? She's now 967,000. She went from 1.19 million subscribers on YouTube to 1.17.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

She also has comments turned off on everything. Of course, I had never heard of her before this. She is a fitness influencer. She is like the Rosie Graham. She says she calls, like, what she does Pilates, but I don't think it's real Pilates. And I don't think, oh, no, I'll get. I'm going to get to that in a second. Rosie in the doc says MacKenzie always wanted to be a model like me. And I'm like, okay, wait, as in we both wanted to be models or mackenzie wanted to be a model because Rosie was already a model?

[B]

That's what I assumed.

[A]

How do I say this?

[B]

Oh, yeah, go ahead, just say it.

[A]

It's nice to have goals.

[B]

I know. I would also like to be a model.

[A]

By the way, I also don't think model means what we associate it with. I think model is synonymous with influencer.

[B]

Now.

[A]

I think I don't understand how I was, like, on her profile today. Of course, comments gone, comments shut down.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But I just don't how she's just Like a grifter. She's not a fitness influencer because, like, does she buy all these followers? Her videos are just her doing what she claims are Pilates in really bad form. She does these like 30 day challenges. But I'm saying this as like, please take this how I mean it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's been doing this since like at least 20. 20. What? 22. Yes. She looks exactly the same. So she's like, follow me on my fitness journey and transformation. But there is no. Let me transform.

[B]

Let me say it another way. I know exact one model. She deserves to be a model. You know, she looks like a model. She's good at being a model.

[A]

The thing about a model, no matter what shape, size, whatever height, whatever you are, there's like, you got like, equality.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

Rosie's a boring ass, uninteresting bitch.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No one is like her. Like, when she walks into a room, everyone's like, uh, not like, oh, wow, she's not striking. There's nothing to her.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, even when you see models dressed down in sweatpants and no makeup, you're so like, oh, damn. Like, there's something about you in some way. Again, this is not like a body shaming thing. This is not a weight thing. I'm just saying, like, but you kind of have like a certain something. And Rosie's like a loser and like a grifter.

[B]

And also loves being in this documentary, by the way.

[A]

Well, because she, like, she. This really backfired for Rosie, didn't judge it, but she like. And all of her profile pictures are either AI and or Photoshop for Jesus. Because the person in that photo is not the person that we're talking to or in any of her fitness videos. It's her in a bikini with like a perfect, perfectly chiseled, like, Britney Spears 2002 body. And that's not the body that she has now. I'm not. I'm just saying what facts are. You are stating facts and I'm not saying that. Look, I love all types of models. Like, we just did this with fucking Tyra.

[B]

You don't have to explain it to

[A]

me, you know, but she's just not. So she's a grifter. So she's like, the profile picture is this. Like, whoa, who's that? And then you watch the video and you're like, oh.

[B]

Oh, totally.

[A]

And it's bad for. I don't know anything about anything. But I'm like, she's like, that's not gonna help anyone. That's gonna hurt Somebody. You're hur.

[B]

Does she do reformer? What kind of Pilates does she do?

[A]

She does it on a mat. She doesn't have a machine.

[B]

Those machines are crazy.

[A]

They are crazy. Yeah, but I don't think she, you know, it's just a lot of like. It's like me. It's like me being a fitness influencer.

[B]

Nick notoriously hates running, like on a

[A]

mat, being like, I think this is what a crunch looks like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm going to do my best and like, try to do it. And then I have a million followers. Should you buy them?

[B]

I would actually be the first to subscribe to your fitness influencer page. There's no question about it.

[A]

No one is hating this more than me. Also, I think the 30 day challenges are also a scam. Like, that's not like you're not gonna totally transform in 30 days, but like a couple years.

[B]

Yeah. It took me three years to be the glowing beacon you see before.

[A]

But I'm saying, like, consistency and whatever, like, no one's gonna change. And then it makes you feel bad about yourself. Cause you don't. You haven't changed in 30 days.

[B]

No. Right, exactly. Rosie's doing nobody any favors.

[A]

She's a fucking grifter. Fuck her.

[B]

Especially not doing Mackenzie any favors. This is. I think she is, but that's what I'm saying. If any of these people could just be like, yeah, she was kind of a fucking ass. You know what I mean?

[A]

No one.

[B]

No one says it.

[A]

Not even her lawyer. I love when the lawyers are like, total, yes, murderer, no, like dirty slut. Yes or no. Whatever that guy said about his own sister.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

But that's true.

[B]

But not murder.

[A]

That's what he said. I can't remember the episode, but that's basically what he said. Did she kill someone? No.

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[A]

Anyway, Rosie Mackenzie are trying to be influencers together. They're always doing, quote, photo shoots, whatever. It's so stupid, so dumb.

[B]

Dominick had his own place because remember he was older. And Mackenzie moved in after graduation even though she was 17. We felt she was mature enough to do that. They were becoming a little tied to couple. They cooked a lot together.

[A]

Her parents are like, our 17 year old daughter was mature enough to move in with her 20 year old boyfriend. I know I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this.

[B]

No, you are. She's an underage kid. You absolutely are.

[A]

But like, no, like I think that's insane.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And as proof of how mature she is, her stupid idiot father is like, they cook together a lot. They were adults. And I'm like, okay, bro. And then he says referring to Dom who was going to be his son in law, according to him, who was brutally killed. I say murdered, he's gonna say killed by accident. But this guy like a tragedy struck and the father's sitting here going, oh, the boy wasn't hurting for money. And Mackenzie liked that. Cuz Mackenzie likes things. And he says it proudly, sir, you're being recorded.

[B]

There's a camera on you and your

[A]

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[B]

Yes.

[A]

Forever and ever. Amen.

[B]

It is. They were literally. It feels to me like they were trying to marry her off to this guy who had, like, aspirations and a little bit of cash because they hated

[A]

her so much because they were, like, scared of her. They want to breathe a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But Dom was always buying her designer clothes and accessories. And we'll get back to why he was, quote, never hurting for money.

[B]

Yeah, well, but also now we're back at the hospital and we realize that the parents have not yet told Mackenzie that Dom didn't make it. And this is the moment where they have to tell her because she. She's asking for him. And they describe the gut wrenching groan or whatever.

[A]

It's pretty bad acting. I call bullshit on it because, like, people are asking, what the hell happened inside the car. Mackenzie doesn't remember. She remembers waking up. She remembers leaving the house. Then she remembers turning on the street and then that's it. That's it. She was trying to remember. Like, she's trying, like, Mackenzie, you can't. It's not there. It's just not there. She remembers turning onto the street and that's it. And this is when Davion's father is like, yeah, this amnesia is super convenient because it lasts just the right amount of time for her to not be able to help police.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

How interesting.

[B]

And, like, we'll get to this more at the end, too. Davion's dad is the most reasonable person in this documentary.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He's like, I can forgive anybody for anything as long as you are fucking honest.

[A]

Exactly. You know, also there are so many pictures of Mackenzie in the hospital posing and crying, like, looking for attention. And you know her idiot mother is taking the pictures.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because they're not selfies. They're her, like, you know what?

[B]

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[A]

Kendra, don't get too comfortable. She never forgets.

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

We already talked about Kendra, but Kendra don't Sicilian. True Sicilian Kendra.

[B]

She's gonna get gotti good.

[A]

You know, my grandfather wrote a note in Italian when someone showed up to my grandmother's funeral saying, you are not welcome here. That's the grudge Sicilians are. Don't fuck around. Do you know that's the most badass thing I said to my dad? I was like, put that in my will. I want to do that.

[B]

I don't know if she's Sicilian or not, but Shannen Doherty had a do not admit list to her funeral.

[A]

I think that's great.

[B]

I do, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Get out of here, Garth.

[A]

Like, did they not like each other?

[B]

They came back around as adults. They are. I think they were fine by the end.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But there was a do not admit list. And I. Listen, I got one. I got one.

[A]

I think that's a great idea. Like, I want to be with my people, whatever is happening. Like, no, don't. Don't come now. Like, crying. Oh, my God. I really am.

[B]

I want to also know that I get to. From the other side. Watch those bitches get turned away.

[A]

Of course. That's what heaven is. A handwritten note in Italian.

[B]

Oh, my God, that's good.

[A]

Guy left.

[B]

He did.

[A]

Of course he did.

[B]

Oh, my God. What do you. I'm like, six bucks.

[A]

My grandfather was forced to join Mussolini's army when he was a teenager.

[B]

This is why.

[A]

Okay, like, we. It's so funny. I was just with my dad, and we were. We were just, like, telling stories about my grandfather. And the story is. I think I've told this, but he was forced into Mussolini's army. And then when Italy finally ousted Mussolini, and they were like, yeah, we're going with the Allies now because we don't want to be fudgeing Nazis anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he was a prisoner of war in Utah, but he caught. He was like, they were all amazing. Because the Americans were like, we know you didn't actually want to be a Mussolini's army. Like, literally forced, like, by his collar to be in Mussolini's army as a teenager. And he taught the whole camp how to cook and the food, he was like, it's not that the food is bad. You just don't know how to prepare it. So he, like, then, like. And then the guy, like, the American guy in charge, like, wrote him this really nice letter. Like, when they discharged, that guy was

[B]

on the admit list to the funeral, 100%. You know what I mean?

[A]

But my dad was saying, like, there were, like, once the Italy went to the Allies, it was like, okay, do you want to, like, cooperate with us, or are you still going to go for the Nazis? And I said, I did. Like, 95% of the people were like, no, I'm with the Allies now. Obviously, I didn't Want. I'm a child. I didn't want to do that. This. And I said to my dad, I was like, who sides with the Nazis? And he goes, fascists. And I was like, you know what? That's accurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's accurate.

[B]

We see it every day.

[A]

So two days after the crash, two of Davion's friends go to the police and give them some information.

[B]

And this is good information.

[A]

And these kids all followed each other on that Life360 app. So they were always, like, keeping tabs on one another.

[B]

This is a whole thing. Like, the, the, like the kids who were even just like 10 years younger than me, they all do this. Like, my friend Matt is dating a guy who's like 10 years younger than him. And they like, the friend has all of his friends locations that are all times.

[A]

Is it for safety.

[B]

I. I really. Matt and I have gone around and around and around. We don't know why they do it. I don't. I don't know. You think I want you knowing when I go to McDonald's when I'm having my cheat day?

[A]

I would love that. But, like, I'm not the one to hide McDonald's or like, or something, like, fun and like, live your life.

[B]

I know, but I don't want, like, other people knowing.

[A]

I also, respectfully, yeah. Would never be checking.

[B]

And that's the point.

[A]

I don't care.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Unless. Unless it's like, I'm going to. I'm going to meet this person. I don't feel. Then I'm like, glued to my phone because that has happened to, like, friends have been like, I'm going to this place, I'm meeting this person, and I'm like, drop me a pin. I'm.

[B]

People calling, they call it getting datelines. Like, they don't want to get datelines.

[A]

Right. So I will not let that happen. But yeah, these, whatever. They are tracking Davion. And so they have all of this information.

[B]

Well, and the information is really important because it shows. So this is when they were going down Progress Drive.

[A]

Okay. It shows on this app.

[B]

Deviant was on his phone at 5:35.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it says that they crashed at 5:36. Davion was using his phone at 5:35am and the crash happened at 5:36. These kids were not unconscious in the car?

[A]

No.

[B]

It's not like they were all passed out or something bad happened and the car just happened to crash into a wall?

[A]

No.

[B]

Like, they were awake when the crash happened.

[A]

And the friends are saying that we heard that the three people in the car were at a graduation party and that they were doing psychedelics.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So Tim, the prosecutor, sends Mackenzie's blood out for testing to confirm this. And in the meantime, he finds ton tons of evidence on her phone that she was doing drugs on a daily basis.

[B]

And once again, bad as that is, that's kind of what we're hoping for here. We're hoping that these kids, that this horrible tragedy is the result of, like, an accident. They were. I mean, it would be horrendous for them to be driving under the. That would be all awful, awful, awful, but it's not murder.

[A]

And she was eating shrooms all the time. But more than that, she was smoking weed. The fattest blondes I have ever seen on a regular basis. But while she's driving without wearing her seatbelt. I know she's not wearing her seatbelt. And anyone of these videos. But she was the crap.

[B]

She's constantly, quote, smacking the bong.

[A]

Yeah, she's. And, like, these are all videos. Like, you. We see, like, a montage of her smoking blunts in the car, not looking at the road at all, not being a responsible driver. And then we cut to this enabler dad.

[B]

He's like, I knew she smoked dope. I don't have a problem with her smoking dope. I don't have a problem with me smoking. I don't have a problem with you smoking it. If you're gonna take a drug, that's the one I believe you should take. You know, it's better than alcohol. It's better than all the other people crap. You know, she's not shooting up.

[A]

She's not shooting up. And I'm like, right, she was driving while high.

[B]

Exactly. Right. Because he's dodging the point.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Because I was thinking about this too. Like, if I caught Daisy when she's older, 15, 17, whatever the age is. Like, smoking a little pot. Like, of course I'm gonna do the dad thing of, like, you'd like, but I would be better than hard drugs. Better than, like, getting, like, hammered and you know what I mean?

[A]

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[B]

But the point is, he's dodging the question. It's not that she was smoking the pot. It's that she was smoking pot and doing drugs and driving her and posting about it on Tik Tok.

[A]

Right? Like. Like on Snapchat. Like, is she bragging about it? Like, it's so clear that these parents let her do whatever she wanted, and she never had any consequences for anything. And they're never going to admit that she did anything wrong.

[B]

Right?

[A]

This guy can't even say totally wrong. She should not have been that. Instead it's like, well, she's not shooting up. And I'm like, well, she fudgeing killed two people, though.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You and your stupid fucking shirt.

[B]

Rosie's back to tell us that they were the stoner cool kids.

[A]

Well, I just want to drop this in here because I will talk about it later, but I'm sure you saw it because this her. After this doc came out, her father was put on administrative leave.

[B]

Yeah, I don't. I can't wait for you to do the after her, because I want to know what that's all about.

[A]

Guess what he did for a living.

[B]

He's a middle teacher.

[A]

He's a middle school art teacher at a Catholic school. And the minute this came out, they were like, not at St. Francis Xavier. We're doing an investigation. Don't worry about it. But Davion's parents did not have the same philosophy.

[B]

I mean, because like, Davion's dad is saying that, like Davion say to us, all the kids are doing it. Mom and dad, they're all smoking weed. Me and my wife Jamie pushed back on the narrative that weed is innocent. Weed isn't addictive. Weed's not a gateway drug, dad. And the dad is like, look, I think there's evidence to show that, like, pot actually can be addictive. But also that, like, when you just start smoking pot and we're gonna find out why Dave Davion was smoking pot, like, when you're doing it as, like, a mental health coping mechanism, like, it can get out of control.

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Well, yeah, there's a reason, like, it's legal, but you still have to be 21, right?

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[B]

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[A]

He was like, this is a very unfortunate coincidence, this name. But Friday Night Lights. Yeah, Smash. Like this. There's a guy named Smash and he was like the football player known around town, one of the many, like Tim Riggins, obviously. Still my heart. But, like, he just reminded me of that kind of like, oh, yes. And like, Smash gets injured too. But anyway, I saw like, oh, like he was known around town as like,

[B]

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[A]

is Mackenzie and her friends.

[B]

Yes. And that's why, further to your point from earlier, like, Davian is kind of a new person to this friend group.

[A]

Right. And so when, when Davion starts doing these drugs and missing curfew, his dad says to him, and I was like, slow down on that. Repeat it a million times.

[B]

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[A]

show you your future.

[B]

Davion, please stop.

[A]

He wasn't grounding him. He wasn't. And I think he was kind of like, I know this sucks. I know, I totally know this sucks. And, and all, like, your senior year, what, are you going to hang out with your football friends while they're all at practice? Like, I get wanting a crowd because it's painful.

[B]

It's true, too. Like this. Show me your friends, I'll show you your future. I hung out with all the gay, weird drama kids in high school and they hang out with all of them today.

[A]

Look at you now.

[B]

I did it, Mom.

[A]

So text from Mackenzie's phone. She, Dom and Davion went to a party and she Was texting Rosie about if the parents are going to be there because she wants. She says, is it cool to trip there? So, Tim, can I just.

[B]

Something. I just yesterday, two days ago, started talking to Daisy about drugs.

[A]

How so?

[B]

Because I was listening to an episode of the Daily where they were talking about all these, like, fentanyl used to be, like, the most terrifying thing in the world. Fentanyl is like nothing now.

[A]

What?

[B]

Fentanyl?

[A]

Since when?

[B]

Well, according to the Daily, since, like, like six months ago.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like, there are synthetic drugs that are so much more potent than fentanyl now.

[A]

I was like, but it's still a problem. Oh.

[B]

Oh, it's horrible. No, it's not good. It's not good for you now.

[A]

No.

[B]

You're not gonna start selling girl fentanyl. No, no, no.

[A]

What? It's still, like, horrible.

[B]

Worse, but way worse that, like, you know. So I just. I just started talking to Daisy about drugs, like, a couple days ago. And, like, I like the idea that, like, my kid would have a party at my house with. When the parents aren't home. I. When I tell you right now, that will never fudgeing happen. I know you don't believe me, but

[A]

I don't not believe you.

[B]

It'll never fudgeing happen. And because we will talk to her about it, like, we also have the best neighbors in the world, like, it will. It just will never happen.

[A]

I never said that she was going to throw parties behind your back.

[B]

I just know that you had the experience of growing up in New York with. You know what I mean? That's what I'm talking about. And when you start talking and communicating with your kids and you're not afraid of them and you're not trying to be their best friend, I just don't understand how parents are going away on graduation weekend so that there's, like, a parent free house for these kids to have these kinds of crazy parties. I just. I don't get it. I don't get it.

[A]

And it seems to be happening all the time with how they're talking so casually about, can I trip there? Yeah, no problem. Or whatever.

[B]

No rules.

[A]

And Tim, the prosecutor says, you know, as Mackenzie's quote, best friend or number one soldier, however you want to call it.

[B]

Yeah, Rosie, Capo.

[A]

Capo. No, don't even.

[B]

Sorry, Sorry, sorry.

[A]

She. She could never.

[B]

No, she could never. She couldn't.

[A]

Rosie could have helped out a lot, you know, she could have helped understand what was going on in Mackenzie's mind or what they were doing or whatever. And Rosie's here to be like, fuck that. The police called to set up an interview, and I was like, I'm not doing it. People always say the police will, like, try to say crazy things, especially if you're, like, alone and you're a teenager. It doesn't seem like we're trying to figure out what happened in the accident. It seems like we're trying to track down the next drug dealers. It seemed like they were trying to track down the next drug dealers.

[B]

No, this is such bullshit because Rosie's only allegiance is to her fucking friend and not these two dead kids.

[A]

Who's telling. Mackenzie's ordering her what to do?

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

Because Mackenzie remembers.

[B]

Right. Don't fucking talk. And Tim says to the documentary crew, he says, you have no idea how hard I tr. Tried to get her to talk to me, but it's good to hear that she talked to you guys. I'm fascinated to hear what she has to say.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And you know, they gave her the unedited tape.

[A]

Sure. And like, Tim, that's a bird. But I hate to disappoint you, because she talks a lot, but she doesn't really say anything.

[B]

Yeah. Because her only loyalty is to mackenzie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's only here to do PR for Mackenzie.

[A]

And my thing is too, like, hey, Rosie, don't you want to know what happened to your two alleged best friends and your third friend who was, like, deeply injured? Like. Like, I don't understand. Why don't you want to know how this happened? Get a lawyer. Because what she says is, like, the cops try to use your words against you. Totally. Yeah. Get a lawyer. Help these three people, especially the two that have been killed. She has no interest. There's no empathy. There's no.

[B]

It also just tells you everything you need to know about the kinds of people that these people are. Because if, like, you were saying, if Rosie was at all interested in, like, getting to the bottom of what happened and getting, like, doing, like, the. The preserving the memory of these dead kids. Yeah. She would do the right thing. It's all about doing the right thing, even when it's uncomfortable. Like, we'll get to a point. I have so many notes about, like, if this were Daisy, If Daisy had done this, I would never stop lo. But I would. You do the right fucking thing, Rosie. You sit down and you tell them what was going on in your friend's mind, and you get to the bottom of this.

[A]

And even now, she's got an attitude.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, her tone is Infuriating because she's like, it wasn't a party, it was a sleepover. I brought a coloring book and colored pencils. And I'm like, girl, shut up.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

This is like the Joey Merlino doc when the guy's like, we don't talk about nothing illegal. We drink, we eat a pork chops Joey and say the rosary and that's it. And I'm like, girl, are you kidding me? The text messages are right here.

[B]

The wholesomeness goes out the window with the fucking magic mushroom.

[A]

Rosie, like, and Bubba.

[B]

Bubba, I know.

[A]

And Rosie are like, we watch shark documentaries now.

[B]

Hang on a second. I will watch a shark documentary until. Until there are none left to watch shark documentaries.

[A]

And deep conversations I've had that night. It's a great one. Okay, but that's not what this really was. And their whole thing is like, it was too late to do mushrooms. And Kenzie didn't even smoke that night.

[B]

She was on like a smoke break because she was coughing up like black mucus in a way, or like blue bloody mucus, something. It was really bad. She was banging the bong, so whatever. Slapping the bang bong so hard so often. She's. She's got smoker's lawn.

[A]

The fucking. The blunts are the biggest. The fattest blunts that she's driving. And I know it's really unbelievable, but that's. I'm like, jesus Christ. Coughing up black and bloody mucus. So MacKenzie wasn't even smoking weed, you guys.

[B]

And by the way, that's a note to her fucking dad. This is the thing. You don't mind if she's smoking a little dope? She's not smoking a little dope.

[A]

No.

[B]

Take all the dope.

[A]

Take a gummy. It's 20, 22.

[B]

Literally, we sell 20 of them.

[A]

What? God. You know, idiots. But Rosie and Bubba really go out of their way. It was a beautiful, magical night. Everyone went to bed at the wholesome hour at 3am Rosie makes a point to say there wasn't. And this is important, I think she says. There wasn't a single argument. There was not one moment of tension. There were no bad vibes. Why would there be, Rosie?

[B]

Right, Exactly.

[A]

What are you saying? I thought this was a bond that was unbreakable. And. And everything was perfect. And puppies and rainbows and fudgeing.

[B]

She's literally got mackenzie script written on her hand. It was a magical night. There was no. No, there were no bad vibes. No bad vibes?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No bad VBA.

[A]

Yeah. ROSIE so 5:30am, Mackenzie, Dom and Davion leave. We never get a real explanation for why they left at 5:30 in the morning. No, it's a weird time.

[B]

It is a weird time. And then Bubba also says he was going to take Davion home, but at the last minute Davion decided he was going to go with Dom and Mackenzie. We're going to learn that Davion was actually living with Dom and Mackenzie. So I guess a little more sense.

[A]

Yeah. I just don't really believe anything Bubba and Rosie say because I don't think they were that close with me.

[B]

What about the I love you story? You didn't believe that?

[A]

No.

[B]

Bubba says I offered to take him home. Like it was set that he was coming home with me. And like last minute he goes, you know what, I want to shower and maybe sleep for like a little bit. For some reason that morning he gave me a hug and he was like, I love you. And I was like, I love you too, bro. Very weird. It was the first time that we said we love each other for a while.

[A]

I'm just so like heartbroken for everything that happened and I just like, I really don't appreciate this. Disingenuous. We loved each other. I don't think you really did because if you did, you'd be speaking the truth about what happened to him, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so I just don't appreciate this bullshit. And thank God we have Davion's dad and sister to really speak for him in like the real way. But like, but shut up, Bubba.

[B]

Well, also she says that starting at 5:30am, this is the point where they leave the house and then MacKenzie immediately goes into a black hole.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Remember she remembered waking up, she remembered leaving and that's all she can remember.

[A]

Now we get the video evidence and I just want to call this out.

[B]

Holy fudgeing shit.

[A]

We see it, we hear it. I really wish we didn't. It is incredibly upsetting. Just a warning, if you have not seen this here horrible, let me give

[B]

a counter to that because we don't actually see the crash. We see the moment right before the crash. I do think it's kind of important.

[A]

I know it is kind of important

[B]

to see like, I mean, the absolute fudgeing violence with which this car was being driven.

[A]

Yeah. So we meet Trooper Elliott, he's a crash reconstruct. And I'm like, dazzle me, Elliot, what the hell happened? And he says, trooper Elliot says the car was flying down the road.

[B]

But before that though, they get because what Trooper Elliott has done is he's gotten surveillance video from a couple of intersections.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The thing that I woke up thinking about this morning, before I even started taking my notes, was that like literally half a mile before we see her like a bat out of hell, she's like. They're listening to the Indigo Girl. She puts on her blinker. She's going 15 miles an hour, driving like a proper citizen. Like the blinker what gets me. Yeah, the, like around a turn on the road at 5:30 in the morning, but MacKenzie still puts on her blinker like a. Like a good. Like a good driver.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But until as it traveled west for nearly half mile, there was a slight bend where the second piece of video evidence comes from. Based on my calculations, the Toyota averaged approximately 97.8 miles per hour through this stretch right here.

[A]

She's flying down the road at 97.8 miles per hour.

[B]

It is unbelievable to watch.

[A]

She's driving the car, it looks like it's sped up. She's driving so fast and the sound is so awful. And then there's silence. Yes. And it is the mo. I mean, it's very. It's very jarring and very unsettling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what's even, like, that's the other thing that's chilling is that like, she was very in control of the car before this. She was taking turns, like, very, very controlled.

[B]

Yes. I mean, like, she's driving like a model citizen. She's driving like she teaches drivers until she's not.

[A]

And then like the toxic comes back. No alcohol. No. No shrooms. And like a teeny tiny bit of thc. And we know she was always driving under the influence, so it doesn't really count as her being wasted.

[B]

And like, this is a really big moment for Tim because he's saying, like, wait a second. If we know that she was driving high all the time and there was a little bit of THC in her system, so that to him does not count as driving impaired.

[A]

Right.

[B]

There's none of the psilocybin mushrooms are in her system anywhere. And to Tim, and I think to the rest of the world, except for Rosie, this tells us MacKenzie did this on purpose.

[A]

And her dumb parents.

[B]

She was. And her parents. She was well aware of what she was doing. This is a murder.

[A]

Yeah. My foot stays firmly on their necks. Her parents. I'm never gonna let you know about everything.

[B]

Where's Kendra?

[A]

Oh, don't worry, she's there too. I got two feet, girl. Are you fucking kidding me? Don't worry. One, wrong. Two. Wait, what is it? Two wrong feet and fucking ugly shoes. Yes, but that's not me,

[B]

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[A]

I love how these smell. So this is deodorant. And it's so amazing because it can also kind of replace your perfume. Like, I saw my friend Eric the other day. He was like, did you just come from a spa or a fancy hotel lobby? I'm like, no, girl, I'm wearing my Santal Salt and Stone. You know why? Because it has vetiver in it, and I love vetiver.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

So what caused the crash?

[B]

Was something tampered with? Or did the car malfunction in some way? The police did observe a fuzzy Prada slipper that appeared to be stuck to the floorboard next to the accelerator pedal. Had that contributed to the crash?

[A]

The cops found a fuzzy Prada slipper that was stuck to the floorboard next to the pedal. Did this contribute to the crash? Also? Can we get a grip? Fuzzy Prada slipper.

[B]

And you don't drive in slippers. It's against the law.

[A]

I was like, what are we doing driving in slippers? You can't drive in slippers.

[B]

You can't drive in flip flops. It's against the. You can't drive in bare feet. You got to wear proper fucking shoes.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No shoes, no service.

[B]

No shoes. No. And like the slipper, it's just.

[A]

It is exactly like a fuzzy slipper.

[B]

It tells you everything. And you know that he bought that for her.

[A]

You know, she also had like a fuzzy. That thing that you put around your steering wheel and it's all like pink and fuzzy. If you have that and it looks super cute in your car, I love it. But it just adds, if you didn't

[B]

kill anybody today, we're not mad at you.

[A]

It just adds to, like, yeah, right, she. Except if you're Kendra, she didn't kill anyone.

[B]

And, you know, she's got that fuzzy thing around her.

[A]

She should be on the registry, so. But it just adds to her. Like, I feel like she doesn't have a good grip on anything. She's stoned all the time. Like, it's just a fucking.

[B]

The Prada slipper. It just.

[A]

It's the fuzzy Prada slipper.

[B]

Horrible.

[A]

So two days after the crash, everyone is, like, terrified and sad and confused.

[B]

And town is at a standstill. Everyone is mourning. It is the saddest time to be alive in this town.

[A]

In Ohio, meanwhile, some brand is commenting on MacKenzie's Instagram asking to do a collaboration. Now, like, the brand doesn't know anything that. Just reaching out or whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So mackenzie's mother gets on Instagram and

[B]

responds, thank you for this amazing opportunity. She would love if you would use that. She's actually been trying to contact you guys for PR email. It was a tragic accident. This is just as painful for her as it is for everybody else. Or maybe even a little more painful.

[A]

Maybe even a little bit more painful.

[B]

It is Davion's dad reading us this post. Like, the look of just absolute shock on his face. Then McKenzie responds.

[A]

To make it worse, she writes, thanks for the comment.

[B]

I would love to work with you. I've been emailing you guys a lot. Such a great opportunity. Thank you. Her boyfriend is dead.

[A]

And her friend, her best friend Davion. Okay, so she just crashed a car. And the way that every first responder is, like, horrified. They've never seen anything like it. They're all in therapy for seeing this. And I'm not making a joke. When you see it. The car. I've never seen anything like it in my life. She killed two of her friends. One is supposedly the love of her life.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And this is what she's doing.

[B]

And, like, meanwhile, remember, she, like, she's got a broken wrist. She's got three broken ribs. A broken wrist, a broken.

[A]

Not enough.

[B]

Like, with her phone from her fucking neck brace.

[A]

I want to see those medical records. I don't believe that idiot father.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

But Davion's dad says perfectly. She just does not get the anguish that she's caused. And neither do her parents. What is wrong with her mother? I know. Checking her Instagram for DMs about collabs.

[B]

It's two days, not even DMs. These are public comments that anybody can read.

[A]

Like your. Like your mother is reading your Instagram comments when you should be in mourning because the love of your life and your friend Davion and you were behind the wheel.

[B]

Well, the mother's reading the comments because she's on the clock working for her kid 100%. You don't get a bereavement day, mom, get to my DMs.

[A]

Yeah. Like, no, no. And you're not getting overtime payment. Like, the tragedy of. Of all of it. Any normal, normal person would be completely, like, beside themselves. Like, it's too fast. Real. Like, not knowing what's real or what's not. You've been in such pain from these injuries. Meanwhile, you're like.

[B]

You are. Just remember the guttural scream you just did 48 hours ago when you found out that you killed your boyfriend.

[A]

Bad acting.

[B]

Bad acting.

[A]

She's as good of an actor as Rosie is a model in Pilates instruction.

[B]

Rosie.

[A]

I'm not sorry. Fuck Rosie. So Davion sister Divine is here too. And every once in a while, they drop her in here to say something that I just love so much. She's like, I got a DM on Instagram from MacKenzie. She said, basically, I'm sorry. Damon was like a brother to me. It was all an accident.

[B]

I didn't mean to.

[A]

She wanted to get her peace out of it. And at the end of the day, I didn't feel like I needed to respond to someone who killed my brother. It was just for her to feel better. But Divine also says, I didn't feel like I needed to respond to the person who killed my brother.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Hell, yes, Divine. And so, yes, the thing about MacKenzie, she was a complete and total mean girl, full stop. And, like, Divine knew this and told her brother.

[B]

And also now we get, like, Tim the DA being like, by the way, her high school record was full of instances of disrespect to teachers and fellow students. And he says, you get the sense that there was just a total lack of parental oversight.

[A]

And, like, her tiktoks are insufferable. She's like, please go fucking kill yourself. Go die, bitch. And, like, you know what? I'm not thinking when I see any of her son social media. Wow, what a mature person she is.

[B]

She should be a model and live

[A]

with her boyfriend and be an adult at 17 years old.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Shut up, Steve. The dad, like, some of the comments are like, yeah, this is a girl who told me to kill myself and go throw up over a toilet. She bullied both of my sisters through Instagram dm. She was so mean to my friends and I for no reason.

[B]

Can I. Can I tell you one thing?

[A]

What?

[B]

If I looked at. If I looked at Daisy's Instagram and I saw her. Her commenting like that.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

On other people's posts, it would be homeschool. I'd be like, jillian, I love you. You have to do this with somebody else. Because I'm a full time homeschool teacher.

[A]

I'd be like, step aside. Let me.

[B]

I just want to talk to you.

[A]

I just want to talk to Daisy for two seconds.

[B]

Jillian's gonna need to see you in a closet for five minutes alone.

[A]

Like, we don't do that, Daisy. Any or anybody. We don't fucking do that shit.

[B]

Imagine your child. No. My worst fear in life was always my kid being a bully. I cannot imagine a world in which these parents live and they know that their kid is actually out there. Not once. Not on somebody to get. Not on a thing that. With a person they have a beef with. Punching down to kids who this could be the thing that makes them actually go kill themselves. The complete abdication of raising your child and preparing them for the world.

[A]

Yeah. There's something about Mackenzie. If there is such a strong darkness coming from her. If you've ever known someone like this in real life. I'm not talking about your parasocial. Some celebrity didn't react the way that you wanted them to about something. I'm talking about someone that you actually know.

[B]

Yeah. Then you spot I'm looking at you, Sarah McLaughlin.

[A]

Then you spotted it right away.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I'll never forgive you for those. Aspca.

[B]

You know what? She's actually very sorry.

[A]

I know she is. I've seen those videos. Oh my God.

[B]

She's like, I did. I had no idea.

[A]

But when you have met someone like this or have been around someone like this, you can clock it immediately. The minute I saw her.

[B]

Can you think of an example?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

It's diabolical is the word.

[A]

It is diabolical. I like, feel I forget their names, actually. They're so meaningless, so. And there's also documented proof so that she's verbally assaulting both teachers and students. Teachers are begging to have her removed from their classroom because she's such a nightmare. And she's attacking people and then filming the attacks and putting it online. Her parents follow her so Then her

[B]

dad tells the story about there was an incident that happened. They suspended her for the last day of school. I had to get off work and come get her. And I walked in, I look at my daughter and she's sobbing. And I go, did you do it? She looked at me and goes, no. And I know when my daughter lies. I go, good enough for me. Let's go. And I walked her out. Good enough for me. I know when my daughter lies.

[A]

I was appalled. Every single time they're on screen, it gets worse and worse. Like I. The parents are. You are trash. But Natalie and Steve McKenzie Sharilla, and they are trash. And they raised a trash little bitch of a daughter.

[B]

I'm so. And I say this as a parent, I'm so glad that we live in a world where parents are now being held accountable sometimes for their kids.

[A]

Hi, Kendra. Don't forget about your girl.

[B]

But, like, these parents should go. These parents should be put on trial. It is not hard unless your kid is a total sociopath and in which case there are still things you must do. It is really not that hard to start talking to your kids when they're young about being nice, about doing the right thing, about making the right choices. Because when you do that, the kids actually want to do that. Yeah, they actually want to be kind. They actually want to lift other people up. We would not be here if they had had one conversation with her like this when she was 10.

[A]

What kind of spineless coward are you that a 17 year old? 15, 14? 15, 16, 17. Runs the show and is a tyrant. Violent, chaotic, angry. Like you're scared of her. What kind of like, spineless piece of shit are you?

[B]

And also, you're not a parent. They want us to think it's cool. Like, it's another one of those parents where they're so. They are so over the moon that their kid's the popular kid. They think it says something about them. There's something deeply missing in them.

[A]

Oh, it says something about them all right. I mean, she never had any boundaries, zero consequences. She's always the victim. She's always their perfect little baby. Gorgeous. And like. No. And this is what Tim the prosecutor says. MacKenzie got in trouble so often at school, documented there are police reports from middle school girl that I found. Tim, the prosecutor is like, she would walk away from these incidents with more freedom, fewer consequences, and her actions being totally excused. The mom says, but she wasn't a bad kid. She didn't really need to be disciplined a whole lot, you know, she I mean, her worst is her mouth wasn't that bad.

[B]

It was just her mouth, which is

[A]

insane to say, especially when Mackenzie is very publicly speaking about all the illegal things she's doing. Yeah, go fuck yourself. Leave my story. We let all of you, all of you little underage fucks inside our beautiful home to do illegal things. Number one, sweetheart, you're also underage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Number two, this isn't Euphoria, a show where everyone's miserable anyway. And three, her parents 10,000% knew about the illegal shit. You will never convince me otherwise.

[B]

Of course they did.

[A]

Never. Like, who does she think she is with these awful fake lashes?

[B]

Oh, my God. Is there booze in this? No. Why, do you want some? I'd rather have you drink here. You know what I mean?

[A]

Times zillion. Yeah. Even like, Parker Posey from Daisy Confused would be like, damn, girl, chill out.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, Air Raid Freshman. Like, even she would be like, can we chill?

[B]

She'd be like, mackenzie.

[A]

No, also the. The sorry. And another thing. The fact that the parents, like, feel like it was all. This was all their idea. You were bullied by your own child.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

She tried. Trained you.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

To act this way. Don't act like you just did this. Because, like, even if you did, that would also be bad enough. But, like, she rules the roost around here. You're doing this because you're scared of her. Even from prison. She's like John fucking Gotti. Still controlling the show.

[B]

No.

[A]

Totally crazy, but.

[B]

So then we get back the results from the forensic auto investigator. This is major. This is the ball game. They're dealing with the car, the forensic. The inside of the car. The fun. The fun motainment system or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, they're trying to see if. If there was a malfunction or not.

[B]

And that expert determined that the braking, the steering, the tires, the acceleration were working properly. The car didn't malfunction. The car was not malfunctioning.

[A]

And the fuzzy Prada slipper is innocent. Played no part in this.

[B]

It played no part. Ugly as it is.

[A]

The car did not malfunction. So to recap, MC MacKenzie was not wasted and the car did not malfunction. So what does that leave us with exactly, Rosie?

[B]

So now they need information from the event data recorder. Once again, the fun. The fun motainment.

[A]

Yeah, it's the.

[B]

I'll never stop saying it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Since we learned it in that one documentary. Yeah, like, I got to get the fun Motainment box.

[A]

Okay. It's the black box in a Car. So like, it records technical information of the car for a very brief period of time, like before, during and after the crash to see what was going on when it was happening.

[B]

For insurance purposes, I'm sure.

[A]

Right, so we have like five seconds of the pre crash data, which is

[B]

all we need because she was going 100 miles an hour.

[A]

But for those entire five seconds she was at 100% acceleration, meaning the pedal was like pedal to the metal. Really like 100% all the way down.

[B]

Have you ever. I know you're not much of a driver. Have you ever actually driven a car and put the pedal all the way to the.

[A]

I've played cruise in USA in an arcade. I put my pedal to the metal if, you know, I've never. For what reason would I do that? I crash.

[B]

I've done it like weirdly on the highway once, like just to like, not very safely. I'm a very, very, very safe driver. But there are moments you actually do need.

[A]

No, I've never done that.

[B]

It is hard to do. It is hard to push the pedal all the way. And I've got some pretty. I'm eight times MacKenzie's size. To push the pedal all the way to the floor and then hold it there for five seconds. That's hard.

[A]

It's a long time.

[B]

Your car is not designed to let you do that. No, no, it took work. This took effort. This was done on purpose.

[A]

And remember, no skid marks anywhere. So she didn't even said it. Again, I'm sorry, but she didn't even take her foot off the gas. Like, nothing. So the heartbreaking thing also is that it appears that Dom and Davion were doing everything they could to avoid crashing into the building.

[B]

The data shows that around three seconds before the impact, there was some steering input. Right movement, left movement, and then the hard right movement. It shifted from drive into neutral, back into drive again. I think the boys were trying to save their life. I think Dominic and Davion were yanking on the wheel and grabbing at the gear shift and it was just too late.

[A]

It seems like she was fighting them.

[B]

This is why I think they weren't wearing seatbelts. I think that as they were accelerating and they realized what she was doing, they must have taken their seatbelts off to like, to. To fucking try to stop her.

[A]

Which is why Davion ended up on top of Dom because. Because he was leaning through trying to. Like that is. And Tom, the prosecutor says it, it is a harrowing, harrowing last few seconds of someone like it's It's. And so, like, then when you learn, when you see the car and the condition of the car and when you see this information and then you see, like, TikToks and, like, fake crying on Instagram and I'll do a collab, it's like, oh, my God.

[B]

I just. I'm a little bit stuck on the seatbelt. And Tell me if I'm wrong, because I think even for these, like, young. They weren't young kids, they were young adults. Like, I think that we now. I think it's an instinct. You get into a car and you put on your seatbelt. I think everybody does it. Am I wrong?

[A]

I do. I most certainly.

[B]

I think everybody. There was a time that we didn't do that. Like, I grew up in the 80s and 90s. We didn't do it then.

[A]

My mom told me stories of my grandmother driving around with my mom's youngest brother, and he was just like. Because they had just. They didn't have seats. They had, like, the full, like, loveseat or whatever. And just, like, there were, like. There were no seatbelts. And he was just, like, standing up as a little baby, like, doing the arm move.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or whatever. The stop. Short arm move. And like, okay.

[B]

My friend Mike Terrell does that to me at interview intersections when we're walking.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

He does it like, we'll be walking and he puts his arm out. I'm like, I wasn't even moving.

[A]

Can I tell you a joke that Ashley and I have been telling each other since we were, like, 13 years old?

[B]

Please.

[A]

We were walking across. I don't know, we were on 86th street going to get pizza or whatever. And it was snowy and it was, you know, that slush in New York. And I went to walk and she did the, like, the arm move. Because we were just like, such best friends right away. But she said, watch the slush. But she said it in a way that was kind of like, watch the slush. So over the years, it's become, watch the slush. And so if it's ever snowing, we'll text each other, watch the slush. But, like, it was that arm move. And I was like, oh, like, thanks, bestie.

[B]

It's funny. The thing about my friend Mike, because he doesn't have kids, so I don't know where that instinct comes from.

[A]

Yeah, Ashley. And we were 13 years old, so no kids.

[B]

The thing is, Mike is so tall. He's like 6, 7 or something. I think that he must. It must be the Expectation that he's always going to be the safest person in the room. So he's got to always have arms for everybody. I'll just never forget when we were, it was like recently we were walking like in Times Square. We got to it and he just put his arm out.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

It's like the cutest thing. It's so funny.

[A]

But also like, even when you get into a ride share now they ask you like confirm that you put your seatbelt on.

[B]

I think it's an instinct. I think like, and it makes it even sadder for me that like, if they hadn't, if they just let this crazy woman do what she was going to do, maybe they would have lived.

[A]

And why was hers on when it never was in any of her many hundreds of videos?

[B]

So then fudge me. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe.

[A]

No, I don't know.

[B]

I just, I think I just imagine it's. I've never gotten into a car in like the last 20 years where everybody hasn't just immediately put their.

[A]

No, I'm a big seatbelt person. Yeah, big time. Tom the prosecutor is like, well, all the evidence tells him that it's not an accident. And I'm like, I don't understand how you can see it any other way.

[B]

No, but. And then we start to get more interviews with the friends and the police are interviewing everybody. One friend of Dominic's like comes in and he's like, we were in this candy shop and this was after they had gotten over arguing and everything like that. She was like, either buy me something

[A]

or shut the fuck up. She always threatened and was disrespectful to Donald Trump in my eyes.

[B]

Why did Doms put up with this? Do you know?

[A]

I've personally been told that she did voodoo on him.

[B]

She was the most controlling. This relationship was awful. She was always screaming at him. She only wanted him because he bought her things. Like, it was awful. She told him that she did voodoo on him to make him love her.

[A]

Like it was not surprisingly, a very toxic relationship and she was threatening him a lot. And like, you know, question about like

[B]

the toxic relationship thing is like, is it toxic if it's not being put back on her?

[A]

Well, I think I was going to say this later but it may be confusing to some of you because Dominic's not a woman but this is what she's doing to him is abuse. And we'll get into it more for sure. And we know Dominic was trying to leave her and as we know that's the most dangerous time for someone in a situation like this.

[B]

Like. Like, truly. So that's what happened to him.

[A]

That's what happens. So the texts tell the whole messy affair in love one day, fighting the next. There was cheating, the works. And so Dom's family tells us how he made all of his money, and it was through stocks and cryptocurrency.

[B]

He was gonna open a vape shop,

[A]

girl, and also start a CL line.

[B]

He just had it. He had it. He was going to whatever. Dom was going to be successful. He, like, was out in the world. He was living alone. He was making money. Everybody here says he was making money. Yeah.

[A]

Drugs were also being a form of income.

[B]

I mean, they found, like, a scale in the car.

[A]

Yeah. And the amount of drugs that is documented that MacKenzie is using and they live together. I don't know. It doesn't matter one way or the other. It's like not, you know, a character assassination thing. I don't give a shit.

[B]

But, like, if he was selling drugs and that's one of the ways he was making money, her parents knew that 100% and didn't care. Yeah, because their pretty little princess was getting Prada slippers.

[A]

Right. And their pretty little princess is, like, doing this performative grief, posting tiktoks of herself sobbing at memorial sites.

[B]

What's the guy. Is it Dom's dad that takes the Ouija board to the grave site and communicates directly with Dom?

[A]

I think it's Davion's dad.

[B]

Is that. Is it?

[A]

I think.

[B]

Oh, my God. They're at a gravesite with a Ouija board talking directly to Dom, and she's like,

[A]

shut up. Like, not. Not the parent. The parents are going through, doing whatever. But, like, she's so full of shit. And it's like, oh, did it happen? Wasn't fucking recorded and put on TikTok. Can you just grieve and be and, like, heal from all of your many injuries that. I would love to see the medical records because I don't believe them.

[B]

I know.

[A]

But then also, maybe I'm an asshole because, like, how could. How does she not have all those injuries when you see the car?

[B]

I don't know. I'm stuck on the Ouija board. Do those things work?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

So September 2022. Dominic's brother Angelo has entered the chat, and he meets with detectives, and Angelo

[B]

says Dom try to break up with her multiple times, even in July. I kept not, like, working out. Whatever. They kept making back up. Don would have to call Kenzie's parents, call her. Call her mom and stuff and say, hey, you need to come get Kenzie out of here. She's refusing to leave my house. She's being crazy.

[A]

Dom was actually calling her parents, begging them to come pick up their little bitch of a daughter.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And Angelo makes it very, very clear that Dominic was trying to leave Mackenzie again.

[B]

That Mackenzie made it clear that she would never allow that and if he ever did, she would kill herself.

[A]

And Angelo says there are two types of love. One, when you love someone unconditionally, and two, when you love in a way that's selfish and restricted. When you want the person all to yourself. And he says that was mackenzie with Dom. And I thought that was interesting because he doesn't say that was. He doesn't say Mackenzie and Dom. Yeah, he said that was mackenzie with Dom.

[B]

Well, and also we see texts from her to him that says, I told you, it's my way or the highway. I would watch your back from now on and your house and your car and your life and any of your friends. If that were a text that. If it were the other way around, if that came from him, like, it would be like, full restraining order city.

[A]

His response is, kenzie, this isn't right and you know it. He's like, begging her to be reasonable and not threaten him anymore.

[B]

What you said a minute ago is so on point that, like, he was leaving her. And we know that that is. We just never think of it in terms of. Because obviously, 99.9% of the time, it happens to women. Yeah, but this is the situation that he was in. She was doing all the insane, crazy shit that, like, abusive murderers do. And then she fucking killed him.

[A]

And we'll get like. For example, two weeks before the crash, Dominic calls his mom. He is in the car with Mackenzie when he calls her and he tells her she's driving like a fucking maniac. It's super dangerous. I need your help. His mother said, Christopher Hench Martin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have no idea who he is, but it's clear that he's the guy you call when you want shit, but shit goes bad.

[B]

The lead singer of Coldplay. As far as I can tell.

[A]

No, no, no, Hench.

[B]

No, he's definitely the henchman.

[A]

The guy you call when shit goes bad.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. The only reason we get his middle name is because it's Hench, even though they call him the Henchman, and I know they do.

[A]

You gotta get a guy like that.

[B]

You need a hatch.

[A]

You need someone in your life to

[B]

be like, his name is Mike Terrell.

[A]

He's 6 foot 9, shit's going down.

[B]

Puts his arm in front of you

[A]

at an intercept, like, go find my son on the highway. Because Mackenzie's driving like a man. That's what happened. So this guy tells police Dominic needed help.

[B]

And I called him, I said, well,

[A]

where are you at?

[B]

She says she'll crash his car right now. You heard her say that? Okay, so we had a witness who had heard her say those words. Mackenzie had threatened to crash a car with Dominic two weeks before she did. In criminal cases, we call that prior calculation.

[A]

He could hear Mackenzie threatening to crash the car, which is also abuse. Everybody, like driving erratically to scare your partner. That's abuse.

[B]

I mean, the technicality of like her being the person in the driver's seat and giving her the ability to kill them all in a way that the other guys can't stop her just by having access to the gas pedal, that they don't have power and control. Get to her.

[A]

She loves that shit.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

It's crazy. And like, this is when Tom, the prosecutor also says, like, this proves that she had what he calls a prior calculation because she, she's been threatening to crash in texts. She now did it. We have a witness. And then she did crash the car.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So there you go.

[B]

So now, like, they're moving in for an arrest. They remind us the evidence. They have 100% gas pedal in the seconds before the crash, no attempt at using the brake. The car did not fail. She wasn't on mind altering substances, and they were in an incredibly toxic relationship

[A]

with document to threats and witness. And a witness to the car crash.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What is the alternative?

[B]

He says, we were left with no reasonable alternative but to say that she did it on purpose.

[A]

So November, Mackenzie's arrested. She's charged with aggravated murder times two, and she's being tried as an adult.

[B]

Can I tell you that we see the body cam footage of them arresting her. My favorite thing in the world is like the wheel. They pull her over, she's recording the whole thing. They walk right up to her and rip that phone out of her fucking hand.

[A]

Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of her own action.

[B]

I know. It's amazing to see them rip that phone out of her.

[A]

And enabler dad is like, did they really need to do that? Yes, they did.

[B]

They did.

[A]

Yes, they did.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Because she's in a car.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

High, Probably.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, but then Mackenzie sits down for the documentary.

[B]

So this is like a kind of an amazing moment because we're like. All of a sudden, it cuts to, like, a room. It's like there's nobody in the shot. And Mackenzie walks in. And I was. And I screamed.

[A]

Here's the thing about Mackenzie. She comes in with this stupid bun on her hair. If you haven't gathered, Mackenzie's white. And it's very. That. Based on her appearance and the way that she is now speaking, let's just say that there is lots of cultural appropriation happening.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's all I'll say. She is very much not. You know, we see the videos of her, and she's. She's made some friends.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

And she is appropriating at least like, two to three cultures that are not hers. And she's. She's like a skinny white girl. That's all.

[B]

Are we gonna talk about the bun? Cause the bun is its own. The bun.

[A]

The bun is an abomination.

[B]

It is an abom.

[A]

Abundation.

[B]

It's an abomination. It's an abundination.

[A]

Abundination.

[B]

I love a top knot, Lord knows. And, like, sometimes I actually think if I ever went to prison, I would have to grow my hair out so I had something to do. You know what I mean? Cause I'd be that guy that you love from TikTok who does the hair stuff.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know, at the Webby Awards, I would be him just, like, playing with my hair, doing the updos and the top knots and the whatevers. I'd be doing the false prophet hair from the 1800s.

[A]

You know what I mean? How to.

[B]

I'd learn how to do it.

[A]

But I think when you say top knot, you sort of love the messy but, like, thrown up, you know, like me looking for DNA online, you know,

[B]

like three in the morning.

[A]

Right. Like, just get your hair out of your face.

[B]

Get this glorious mop out of my face.

[A]

Let me tell you, if you know. You know, those of us with long hair, when you have nowhere to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have the best messy bun.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

The best ponytail.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bangs are in place, and you got nowhere to go. No one's going to see it. When you actually have to go somewhere. Couldn't do it hours, your arms are hurting, you're doing it 10 times, you want to kill yourself. But when no one's here and you're, like, cleaning the house or doing your laundry or doing whatever, you catch a

[B]

glimpse of yourself in the mirror, and I'm like. You're like, this Bitch is on fire.

[A]

I'm like Pamela Anderson in 1998 with the perfect little tendril. And I'm like, since when did I. I wasn't even in the mirror.

[B]

You have to throw a party. You gotta invite people over.

[A]

Like, oh, my God, get over here.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, should I take a selfie? When was the last time I took a fucking selfie? 10 years ago. Anyway, she's here to tell, quote, her side of the story with her cultural approach, with her brand new voice. Well, first she poses for the camera. Did you see that?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, what? It's your moment. It's your time to shine, girl.

[A]

So she says, we would have probably been married by now. He was just so protective and loving over me. I wanted to just heal him and he wanted to heal me. We were partners. We just took care of each other.

[B]

They wanted to heal each other. I took a lot of offense to that.

[A]

I did, too. Their relationship was rocky but good. They were just two kids in love. And then she denied, denies having any range, rage or anger ever. And then she blames Dom for, quote, not having good communication skills. And then in the same breath, she distances herself from Davion. Davion was more Dom's friend. And they only got close a few weeks before the crash, but he was still a good person. Bullshit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, she's bullshit.

[B]

She's bullshit. Of course. And she tells us what we have already heard. All she remembers, 5am they woke up at that party. They decided to go back to Don's house. She remembers turning down the street. Then she remembers waking up in the hospital the next day. The producer's like, so a lot of people say that the amnesia is pretty convenient.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she's like, well, what am I gonna do? I'm not gonna, like, make up a story just because people want me to remember. I just don't remember.

[A]

Well, that's what you did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then she goes, I was the driver of a tragedy, but I'm not a murderer. I was like, dom's the one with poor communication skills. Say that sentence again. I was the driver of a tragedy.

[B]

Yeah. Because look, she's. We'll get to the trial in a second. She's never getting out. I think that she's angling for her parole hearing, which is gonna be in 2037.

[A]

Not intelligent people. Yes, she should. She has no idea.

[B]

She's trying to do that thing where she can take accountability so she can show that, like, she was the driver, so therefore she's responsible. But she's going to go. She's going to go on forever and ever with that. This was unintentional and she doesn't know the victim.

[A]

And divine Davion sister had it right from the beginning. Everything she says is for her. The non apologies, the excuses, it's all for her.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So August 7, 2023, the trial. It's a bench trial. That was her choice. No jury.

[B]

Now that's the whole thing. And I've been. I've met a lot of people out in the world because I always say I would want a bench trial. So the bench trial is just the judge decides for the jury trial, where the jury decides and I'm like, well, the judge knows the law, so if I didn't do it, I want a bench trial. Because then you're not like, you know, there's not like six Patrick's over there, you know, like thinking about whatever else and not paying attention. But people always tell me that, like, Noah, jury trial is the way to go.

[A]

Because there could be one holdout, there could be one sympathetic ear. I don't know how anyone would feel sympathy for her at all. But like, I think no matter what happened, but you never know.

[B]

Like, you could get somebody on the like, who is like a fan girl or, you know what I mean? Like somebody who just like, wants people. Mackenzie to like her.

[A]

Rosie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the charges are now. Sherilla is now facing murder, felonious assault, and aggravated vehicular homicide charges.

[B]

Good luck proving it.

[A]

There's no. There's. What?

[B]

Proof?

[A]

Yeah, what proof? What proof do you have?

[B]

What proof they have to any of this?

[A]

And the parents are like, good luck proving it. I hate them. I hate them. So the defense is Mackenzie didn't do anything wrong and the only proof is that she doesn't remember anything. How could she do something wrong if she doesn't remember it?

[B]

I mean, the other thing, too is that they show the video of the CR in court and all the families are there and we see Dom's family see the video in real time. And like, I can't. You know, it's the kind of thing where if something like this happened to Daisy, I think I would want to know everything. But you don't want to. Like, how do you decide?

[A]

It's the fear. Like, if you see it, at least you're not imagining it. But now you have something to replay

[B]

for all you're doing for the rest of your life. And it is, I cannot tell you if you haven't seen this documentary, the violence with which this car is being driven. It is. That's. That's the only word I can use.

[A]

And then the prosecution's like, to the contrary again. All the evidence they have, the video, the 100% acceleration, no break, no car malfunctions, the boys tried to stop the crash, says the data, the toxic relationship, the witness to the car threat, all of this.

[B]

But this is also news to the families, that the families did not know any of this because we learned that Dom's sister and dad are sitting with Mackenzie's family on day one. They are still. They're like, they were all fucked up. Mistakes happen. Whatever. We can forgive you and move on. When they learn that there's no way this to have happened other than Mackenzie not having been fucked up and doing it on purpose, like, that's the moment

[A]

that they learned the ultimate betrayal.

[B]

That's the moment that they're like, oh, my God, she did this.

[A]

So now the question is, was this a murder suicide gone wrong? Now her enabling friends are going to say, no. I would never, ever see her purposely wanting to hurt herself. Say, that is. And she's so sad. Like, mentally, I. I don't think that's the way to do it. Kenzie loves herself a lot. She wouldn't even have a McChicken with me at McDonald's because she cared so much about her own health. She wouldn't even eat a McChicken from McDonald's. First of all, your girl has an eating disorder, Faith.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Number one.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Two.

[B]

Number two, McChickens are, like, maybe the best thing on the menu.

[A]

Fine. Three disagree, but fine.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What about taking shrooms regularly and coughing up black bloody mucus from smoking so much? Yes, Faith. She is the picture of health.

[B]

So health conscious, you fucking idiot. And her parents knew by the way. Her dad, who has no problem with her smoking dope, was watching her. Her with fucking, like, cave lung or whatever they call it.

[A]

She wouldn't even eat a McChecker.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I was like, may that haunt you for the rest of your life.

[B]

I could literally eat four of them right now.

[A]

Like, was it worth it, Faith?

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

Now you're known as, like, McChicken Girl, Idiot.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And so the filmmaker asked Mackenzie, fine, fine, fine. Let's say fine. You don't remember anything for the sake of the bit. What do you think happened?

[B]

And she just says, this is the most prepared line.

[A]

She's had a medical emergency.

[B]

She goes through the. Through the evidence. The most logical explanation seems to be a medical emergency.

[A]

Curious. What kind of medical emergency causes you to hold the gas pedal down at 100% while also being, like, cognizant enough to take control? Turns. She's got Annie Potts disease, as Vincent Gambino once said. I would love to hear this. She supposedly has pots.

[B]

Pots. No, I'm not. I'm just. I'm not making. If anybody actually has this. I'm not making fun of it. I only call it anti POTS disease. Because, A, I love Annie. Pots. Oh, just B, because I don't believe this is fucking real. But it stands for. I can't say these words. Postural, pastoral. I can't say that one. Okay.

[A]

According to the Cleveland Clinic.

[B]

Keep every second of that time.

[A]

This is just based on my research. I have no experience with pots. If anything I'm saying is wrong, I apologize. But based on the pots, according to the Cleveland Clinic is a condition that causes your heart to beat faster than normal when you transition from sitting or lying down to standing up. That's the whole thing with pots, right? So you can experience, like, dizziness or fainting or near fainting, or it might

[B]

also be the lack of eating. Mackenzie.

[A]

Or that too. But she's like. According to Mackenzie and her parents, with pots, you just black out. It comes out of nowhere. MacKenzie says, I could just be sitting here like this, and it could hit me. See, Ken's. That's where you're wrong. Because the whole thing about POTS is that symptoms show up from when you're sitting down to when you're standing up. So, like, this is, again, my understanding, but even if what I'm saying is wrong, what she's saying is complete bullshit. How are you passed out? And. But also pressing the gas pedal at 100.

[B]

And once again, drivers back me up. This is not just like, casually resting your foot on the pedal and it just gets heavy. You have to push it to the floor.

[A]

No. And you don't need to, like, seeing the footage. So you think it's sped up the footage.

[B]

Truly. And, like, I just. I can't say it enough like a passed out person. The foot would be slowly coming off the gate. That's how cars are designed.

[A]

Or you. Or there would be, like, the wheel wouldn't be. So you wouldn't be fighting for control of the wheel. Like, what the fuck? And now her stupid mother is here to commit perjury on the stand, testifying about St. Mackenzie's POTS diagnosis.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And she's destroyed instantly because the prosecutor is like, okay, so your perfect baby, gorgeous daughter has been experiencing severe, according to you, severe pot symptoms for years, and yet you took her to get a driver's license.

[B]

Right. Had absolutely no problem with this.

[A]

And look, everyone is different. If you have POTS and you're good to drive, that's great.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. That's not what we're talking about. Yeah, no, like using this theory as their defense is inherently contradictory.

[B]

And also we're just hearing about it today.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And also the DA says we were never provided with a opinion from a medical person stating that Mackenzie had suffered some kind of POTS incident that caused this. And I think that's because that's not what happened. There was not a single medical expert that the defense, like, provided to say this is what happened.

[A]

Right. I mean, because what they're proposing is impossible. Right? Because pot symptoms are relieved.

[B]

You can't even pay a witness to say this.

[A]

No, the symptoms are relieved when you're sitting down, which is what you're doing when you're driving. And so, so like how like the only expert was mom, the enabler.

[B]

And also the other thing too. It's like a small point, but it's important she navigates the curve. Like, if she were passed out, she would have driven straight forward. She navigates the curve and it is

[A]

then a straight shot into the wall. It's terrifying.

[B]

She was aiming for it.

[A]

So Dominic's mom, Christine Russo, takes the stand. And she has very valuable recordings that remain by Dominic days before the crash. And to the surprise of no one, it's Mackenzie being a fucking nightmare once

[B]

again and just super abusive. She's like demanding to be in the house, then threatening to break into the house to do actual violence to him. And this is where, like they say you could feel the energy shift in the courtroom where people were willing to give mackenzie the benefit of the doubt until this video when they. Because they're saying, wait a second, she's capable of this. Because yeah, they didn't believe that sweet little innocent mackenzie was capable of it until they saw her true colors on these videos.

[A]

Or that a 20 year old guy older than her and bigger than her could be abused. Like, again, just because he's 20, a 20 year old man, doesn't mean that he's not being abused.

[B]

Also barely bigger than her.

[A]

I know, but like, like, yeah, she's saying things like, you're gonna open the store right now or there's gonna be a serious fucking problem. Like she's Drita, right? Yeah, like, and she goes, okay, ready? I'm gonna count to 10. You're gonna come open this door right now or there's gonna be a serious fucking problem. You're gonna open the door and stop hiding behind the door like a little fucking bitch.

[B]

I can't let you in my house

[A]

with how you're acting. Like, it's as simple as that.

[B]

Okay, I'm gonna break into your house.

[A]

Then when he refuses to let her in, she's like, okay, I'm gonna break into your house. Like, if this. If the roles were reversed.

[B]

I know. I mean, like, I know.

[A]

And we've seen it reverse many, many, many times.

[B]

Many, many times.

[A]

It's so insane. And like, the judge makes her decision.

[B]

She's found guilty of murder, obviously, for killing Dominic and Davion. When it comes to sentencing, she can either get 15 years to life or 30 years to life, like individually for each charge. And so at sentencing, we're not done with her videos. The prosecutor is showing so many more because, like, they want the judge to give her the maximum, which is 30 to life. 30 to life times two. And so these videos literally, like the lyrics in these videos that she's lip syncing to, I'm the girl you die for.

[A]

And like, some of them, I think that was ones that was something before the crash, which Rosie wants with her fucking attitude. I'm not even going to mention what she says, but, like the one, the videos from after the crash, after she killed two people and before she was arrested, she's dressed up as a corpse for Halloween. This is three months after she killed two people.

[B]

Can you imagine, like, having killed the love of your life and you're out celebrating with your friends in costume as a corpse on Halloween?

[A]

Your best friend Davion, like, best friend, like, Davion was not, like, I just don't trust anything these people say. And then she reads her, like, bullshit statement apology. And I think maybe the tears are real here because she's never once had to deal with the consequences. And I think she's like, oh, shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think some of it might be just abject terror of what might happen to her. Maybe, maybe.

[B]

I know I'm a broken record, but you are doing your children such a disservice to not prepare them for the realities of life. I mean, you are doing your kids such a. Do you think I don't want to look into my daughter's eyes and tell her how beautiful and wonderful she is every minute of the day? And of course I. There's a fair amount of that, but there is so much accountability for my Kid there is so like. And I'm not. I'm not trying to, like, pat myself on the back as a parent. I'm just saying, like, I know it can be hard to be hard on your kids sometimes, but you're. You're doing the right thing to teach them how to be human beings in the world. This is the first time MacKenzie has ever had somebody say to her, you're in trouble.

[A]

Right? But that's the gig.

[B]

Yes, that is the gig.

[A]

When you're a parent, that's what you do.

[B]

Unless you're Kendra or you're these parents. And you were literally just trying to make friends. Like, you're literally just trying to have friends. Like, that is. People do that. Oh, sure. You know, and this is the consequence of that.

[A]

Right? And divine. Davion's sister is like, that was the worst apology I've ever heard in my life. But then her bitch ass mother gets up there and her statement is so focused on Mackenzie that the judge stops her. I'm hearing an awful lot about your. I'm not hearing very much about the two dead people, Dominic. Okay? I'm asking you for leniency because this was a tragic accident that she does not remember. And Davion, we don't. He's a new friend and I'm so sorry. Does that mean his life is worth less? No, no, no, no. I'm so sorry, guys. Thank you. I'm sorry. She goes, dominic, okay, I'm just asking you for leniency. She just says, dominic's name.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And then she goes, at Davion, he was a new friend. And the judge is like, what? Does anything. So his life was worth less? And she goes, no. And then she does this like the stupid, like, shrug face, like, no, God no.

[B]

And like the mother. And the thing I was thinking about too, watching this the second time was how fucking mad mackenzie must be at her mom for fucking up the plea for leniency.

[A]

Oh, yeah, no, she's getting her privileges docked.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[A]

The mother is. This is a prepared statement, by the way. But also like, the way these parents present themselves is so telling to me. Like the interview for the doc, Steve, the dad is wearing that horrible boom shirt.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Her mother's wearing a baseball tee. They both look messy and disheveled in court. Her mother is wearing this like ill fitting tank top and her dad is wearing this bright green shirt.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And like, my point is, like, especially for court, can you please give a shit about the weight of this situation?

[B]

Address Accordingly, because to show respect to the dead kid, you said was a part of your family, like, some.

[A]

Some, like, ill fitting tank top is like, can you wear, like, a blade?

[B]

I'm sor. No, no, no. I know.

[A]

To me, it's so disrespectful. And you're like, what would Mackenzie think is cool for me to wear? It's so rude.

[B]

It is. It is. And so here's the other thing. She gets 15 years to life to be served concurrently for both of them. The judge actually said, I know everybody wants me to give her the harshest sentence, but I don't think that would be correct. She said, I know she won't be out in 15 years. So the judge actually did give her a more lenient sentence. And the judge is trying to say to Mackenzie, do this right. You might actually be able to have a life on the other side of this. The sentences are running concurrently. They're not consecutive.

[A]

No.

[B]

So, like, I just thought that was interesting that the judge is yelling at the mother, but then. Then does give the more lenient sentence,

[A]

but then also says that she will most likely spend the rest of her life in prison.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And especially with everything that's come out. And those jail calls are recorded, you idiot.

[B]

I know. I was wondering, though, because 30 to life would have been for sure, like, the rest of her life. I wonder if the judge wasn't saying, I'm giving you an argument. Opportunity to turn your life around. I'm giving you the opportunity to maybe someday breathe a breath of free, fresh air.

[A]

Yeah, you know, I don't think that's possible, honestly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But we're back with Mackenzie with a doc trying her hardest to squeeze out a few tears. And the filmmaker's like, all right, like, we're kind of wrapping up now, so do you have any last words? And she looks over to her lawyer off camera. I don't want to force anything and just say too much or sound crazy. I just want to just make sure that I'm big on the no intent. There was no intent whatsoever. There was no intent whatsoever. Zero emotion, zero remorse. And this isn't like checking in to make sure you remember you said everything you wanted to say, or you don't want to mess up an appeal. It's the way she does it that's the issue. It's totally valid to sit with your lawyer. I get that. And look over and be like, did I say I did? I mentioned that point. I wanted to, but it's how she's doing it.

[B]

And, like, because it's also transactional. Like, she said that she was here to tell her version of events. She's not. She's here to, like. She's here to try to garner sympathy from the public thinking that. That, like, that's gonna help her case.

[A]

To make it look like she feels that.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And not actually feel it. And I've seen so many people online say that Netflix gave her a good edit and it skewed towards her innocence. And I'm like, I'm sorry, what documentary did you watch? I watched something called the Crash on Netflix where she and her parents look like the fucking stupidest assholes on the planet. Like, I don't understand who thinks this was, like, a good edit for her.

[B]

No. And especially because, like, we get, like. We get, like, on screen text being, like, at this point, she, like, stopped and looked over for guidance from her. Like, they are telling us that this girl is a piece of shit.

[A]

So as we're coming to the end, we are back with Scott, Davion's father. And he says, like, the truest thing out of this whole thing.

[B]

He goes, the worst thing that could happen is for Mackenzie to be babied for the next 15 years by her parents and told she did nothing wrong and she never made a mistake in her life and she's the perfect girl and she's been completely wronged and the system's against her and the prosecution lied. All those things are damaging to her psyche. Those aren't going to help her.

[A]

All of those things are damaging to her psyche. And I said, yes, but to take it further, all of those things contributed to the deaths of Dom and Davion 100%. Like, we wouldn't be here.

[B]

No, it's too out of spine. This is where he says that. Like, he has the capacity for forgiveness. Like, he. Like, he doesn't want to carry around the burden of the anger of this for the rest of his life. He just wants her to be fucking honest.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And he says, I want her to tell us. And I don't care how badly it affects her, her chances for parole down the road or whatever. I want her to tell us what happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want to know what those last minutes of my son's life were like.

[A]

And this idiot has already and her stupid mother. Like, these jail calls, which I will get into are all recorded. That all counts towards par. All of her infractions and her disciplinary record in prison is not going well for her. If she was honest, she'd have a better chance at parole. But this is not helping her.

[B]

Are we going to talk about this? Like, we cut back to Mackenzie's parents and all of a sudden they say they've got ironclad evidence that disputes what was said in the trial.

[A]

No, they're saying that in that Mackenzie texted Dom's mom.

[B]

It was like during that incident on the highway where, where Dom had to call and be like, she's trying to like run me off the road or whatever.

[A]

And the henchmen had to come save him.

[B]

Yeah, we're seeing text messages from, we're told from Mackenzie to Dom's mom where she's saying, he's the one that grabbed the wheel. Yeah, he's the one that.

[A]

Damage control, right?

[B]

Just totally fake. Because this, this was all meant to like be for the appeal, which was then denied.

[A]

Like, shut up.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

So, yeah, her first appeal was denied and she and her family continue to fight the conviction. Says the on screen text. Her first parole hearing is scheduled for September 2037. Can that please be live so we can see her get denied?

[B]

I mean, is she gonna make it to 2037? Like, that is not soon.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

You know, I don't know.

[A]

But also. So it ends with Davion's family. They have a barbershop scholarship. It's the Davion Flanagan Memorial Scholarship Fund. I donated to it. If you want to, you should too. I just think it's a very sweet, amazing.

[B]

They just want to send kids to barber school and they're doing it and their dad says there's a handful of days in those tuning half years that I've been happy, like genuinely really happy. And the day that we handed off the scholarship was one of those days. People are going to know his name and people are going to know his heart and who he truly was. If we could do that, then Davey Yen does have a future. And he might not be in it, but his memory sure is. There have been a couple of moments over like the last three years where I felt real joy and one of the them was like giving out the scholarships. Oh my God, girl, we did the crash.

[A]

And don't forget, my afterparty is available right now. Yes, go in on the mean girl murders, the killer cases episode, all the, the police documents that are out there, like, trust me, I'm. I'm doing my best.

[B]

All the shit that was left out of this documentary, you can go get it right now ad free at the after party tier.

[A]

And I do want to say it. I still come to the Same conclusion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everyone's like, oh, do the Mean Girl murders episode instead. They left out that she was such a mean girl. I'm like, what documentary did you watch on Netflix? She's so obviously a mean girl. But don't worry, I've watched them all. We're going through it.

[B]

And also, don't Forget, we've got 500,000 subscribers on YouTube. 500,000. So please go watch, go subscribe, go hang out on our YouTube page. It is so much fun. What are we doing next, girl?

[A]

We're doing a Dateline episode called Secrets in the Ashes. Very highly requested. This is another instance of Andrea Canning. Like, do you hear yourself? But no, no, no. Double D, say it to my face.

[B]

Do you hear yourself?

[A]

Andrea Canning is tired.

[B]

You know, it's funny because Keith gets all the love, but a Kansas. She's on it. I. I said this. I was on vacation last week, and I saw an Andrea Canning episode. I'm like, she's so fucking good at this.

[A]

Yeah. And this is. She's like, I love when they, like, can't handle it anymore.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, do you hear yourself? And so that's another one of those Andrea Canning. Like, I just. I can't handle this anymore.

[B]

All right, well, stay tuned for the trailer for that fam. And we love you.

[A]

We love you. Stay safe. Safe, please.

[B]

All right. Bye.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Tonight on Date Live, it can't go

[A]

down as a homicide. It can't go down as anything but an accident.

[B]

She wanted me to kill her husband. She sent me a picture, like, here he is. Go get him. I have to go through the crying and the whole widow process.

[A]

You can hear her complaining that she'll have to be the grieving widow.

[B]

It would all just be an actual. Gave me chills. It made me think, this is something she's done before.

[A]

I thought back to the affair. It made me question her part in my aunt's murder.

[B]

There was a fire.

[A]

She didn't make it out.

[B]

Just when you think the story couldn't get any bigger, it just goes on and on.