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Murder in Glitterball City Ep 1 (Patreon Drop)

Podcast: True Crime Obsessed
Hosts: Patrick Hines and co-host
Episode Date: June 30, 2026
Coverage: Ep 1 of HBO Max's "Murder in Glitterball City"

Episode Overview

The hosts kick off a special public release from their Patreon feed, covering episode one of HBO Max's wild, flamboyant, and convoluted true crime doc "Murder in Glitterball City." The story centers on a notorious murder in the flamboyant, historic, and haunted Old Louisville, Kentucky—a vibrant enclave with deep LGBTQ+ roots, outrageous local personalities, and, as the podcast makes clear, a murder entangling drugs, domestic violence, and unreliable narrators.

True to their style, Patrick and his co-host infuse the episode with humor, community shout-outs, and sharp critique, all while trying to untangle an incredibly chaotic documentary (and crime story) into something the listener can actually follow.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Old Louisville: Setting the Scene

• Neighborhood Vibes (07:09-09:16):
  • Louisville is presented as haunted, beautiful, and unexpectedly gay—“It's beautiful. It's haunted, it's gay. Sign me up. It reminds me of New Orleans.” (Patrick, 09:37)
  • Author and local guide David Domine introduces the term "Glitter Ball City," claiming it's a real nickname, which the hosts quickly debunk:
    • “He basically admits that he made it up... If you want to call your book ‘Murder in Glitterball City’ like, whatever.” (Patrick, 07:44)
  • The houses are described as having “seen some things,” with generations of secrets contained within.
• Community Characters:
  • Standouts include Little John and Missy, gem and jewelry shop owners/local “celebrities” with viral commercials and eccentric personalities (11:47-13:36).
  • Deborah Richards, self-described "general neighborhood pain in the ass," details how the gays saved and revitalized a decaying section of town in the 60s—coined as “gay grassroots.”
  • Drag queens and vibrant gay culture are described as foundational elements of the neighborhood's identity.
  • “My personal theory is that gays are the predictors of recovery. If you have a blighted neighborhood and gays move in and start renovating, you know it's going to be a go.” (Deborah, 22:12)

2. Introduction of the Murder Case

• The Crime Itself (10:22-15:04):
  • In 2010, a body is discovered in the dirt-floor basement of 1435 S. Fourth Street, owned by couple Jeff (Preppy Jeff/Jace) and Joey (Mohawk Joey)—the community is stunned.
  • Both men accuse each other:
    • “From the very beginning, both Munt and Banis blamed each other.” (Patrick, 04:06)
• Crime Scene and Suspects:
  • The podcast highlights the dissonant energies of both suspects: Preppy, straight-laced Jeff vs. wild, rebellious Mohawk Joey.
  • Their relationship was volatile, rapid-moving, and likely fueled by copious amounts of meth and dysfunction.

3. The Doc’s Structure and Narrative Critique

• Chaotic Storytelling (01:28-02:14; 10:57):
  • The hosts repeatedly comment on how disjointed and hard-to-follow both the case and the documentary are, criticizing the unreliable narration and narrative devices, with Patrick noting,
    • “We did our best to tell you the story in a cohesive way because they sure as shit weren't doing it.”
• Fiction vs. Reality:
  • They question the book's accuracy as locals admit passages are invented (“The crinkling of the candy...you took that away from me so early.” Patrick, 11:29-11:37).

4. Drag, Gays, and Local Color

• LGBTQ+ Representation:
  • Both hosts express appreciation for true crime stories centering LGBTQ+ communities, even if they find the characters “exhausting.”
  • “Gays are the predictors of recovery.” (Deborah, 22:22)
• Community Drama:
  • Colorful characters like Little John, Missy, Maria the trophy-hunter singer (who brings a stuffed groundhog as a date), and drag queens like Hurricane Summers provide “out there” local flavor.

5. Crime, Drugs, and Victim Focus

• Backstories and Downward Spirals:
  • Old-school LGBTQ+ bar culture, substance abuse, grooming, and cycles of trauma and violence emerge.
  • Joey’s grooming and drug distribution behaviors are discussed (43:08-44:32), particularly his exploitation of 16-year-old Daniel.
• Victim: Jamie Carroll (39:27-39:55):
  • Jamie is remembered as a talented stylist and beloved drag performer (Ronica Reed), whose disappearance went unremarked for months despite being well known.
  • The hosts spotlight friends and family, like Jody and Nick, sharing how Jamie’s loss deeply affected the community.

6. The Police, Interrogations, and First 48

• Police Response (29:32-31:23):
  • Tensions are highlighted in the bizarrely muted 911 call, suspicious cop behavior, and odd details (e.g., break-ins, locked doors).
• Interrogation Tactics and Media (34:31-36:08):
  • Because A&E’s First 48 was filming, extra pressure was placed on police.
  • The hosts express concern about the impact such TV productions have on real justice outcomes.
• Both Suspects Flip:
  • Both men accuse the other of murder in dueling statements (“I'm not the one who killed anybody.” “Who is guilty here? You are a drug dealer, you are a murderer, and you are a liar.” Documentary/interviewees & host, 04:15-04:19).

7. Class, Prejudice, and Police Bias

• Appearance and Credibility (36:08):
  • The hosts note that Jeff—the “preppy” one—is believed over Joey, likely for looking “more normal.”
• Final Charges:
  • Both are charged in the murder.
  • “Joey is charged with unlawful imprisonment, so they're believing Jeff a little more, right?” (Co-host, 53:56)

8. Notable Local Weirdness

• Security and Guns at the Jewelry Store (26:34-29:28):
  • Missy describes driving through Louisville with a gun in her lap, highlighting both local color and racial/class fears.
  • Little John describes the city as “a neat, dangerous place that's full of happy, sad people.”
• Historic Black Humor:
  • The “hauntings” motif is both satirized and pinpointed as sometimes disrespectful (“we’re not gonna make it like, spooky and goth and cool…these two pieces of shit killed somebody.” Patrick, 18:43)

9. Lies, Egos, and Smirks

• Jeff's Sociopathy and Manipulation:
  • A chilling moment is caught on First 48 cameras (46:18):
    • “He is full on smirking and not even the loudest…you can't judge how someone handles trauma. Bullshit can excuse this.” (Patrick, 46:31)
  • Both Patrick and co-host struggle with moments of empathy for Jeff despite knowing his guilt.
• Jeff’s Prior Life and British Accent (47:08-49:00):
  • Becky, an ex-colleague, remembers his aggression, affectations (“He spent the entire time they worked together speaking in a British accent”—Co-host, 48:18), and general “Bundy vibes.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Gays are exhausting.” (Co-host, 00:56)
• “This is a home video and he's reading a suicide note... This guy Joey, he looks dead…Joey's holding him at gunpoint. That is where…we're starting.” (Co-host, 05:58-06:08)
• “Gay grassroots.” (Deborah, 20:38; 21:32; 22:22)
• “My personal theory is that gays are the predictors of recovery.” (Deborah, 22:12)
• “I just wanted to, like, really look into the history of this really cool name...everyone was like, where is this coming from?” (Patrick, 11:43-11:47)
• “I'm not the one who killed anybody.” (Doc interviewee, 04:15)
• “The relationship here that we’re going to talk about is very, very toxic.” (Co-host, 10:07)
• “He is full on smirking and not even the loudest…Bullshit can excuse this, but my thing is like, I don't understand what the—like, why is he smirking like he's gotten away with something when he knows in five minutes he's going to have to be like, just kidding, I know everything.” (Patrick, 46:18-46:36)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Setting up the series/holiday off explanation: 00:00–02:14
• Neighborhood/Glitter Ball origins: 06:36–10:23
• Key interview clips and unreliable narration: 09:16–14:14
• Community “characters”—Little John & Missy: 11:47–15:45
• Debunking the “Glitter Ball City” moniker: ~07:44–08:08
• Drag culture and LGBTQ+ community: 21:19–24:28
• Initial murder details and dramatic 911 call: 29:32–31:23
• Blame and cross-accusations: 31:19–33:46, 52:46–54:12
• Jamie Carroll’s background & community loss: 39:27–40:39
• Meth, grooming, and Joey’s criminal past: 43:08–44:32
• First 48 interrogation and Jeff’s smirk: 46:18–46:54
• Jeff’s corporate backstory/British accent: 47:08–48:52

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Tone and Style

The hosts are irreverent, sassy, and deeply rooted in gay culture; they move between barbed critique of true crime tropes and affectionate roast of "their people," with a running gag that “gays are exhausting.” Despite the humor, they never lose sight of the human cost—especially in discussing Jamie Carroll’s murder, community trauma, and the exploitative aspects of both the suspects and the media.

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Episode Ending

The episode closes with the hosts preparing to dive into further chaos in episode two:

“Oh, my God, girl. We did Murder in Glitter ball city, which is not what that sound was ever actually called…this is wild. Episode 2…” (Co-host, 54:32)

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This episode is a wild, funny, and poignant guide to a supremely messy true crime doc and the dazzlingly dysfunctional world behind it—full of intricate personalities, questionable authorship, and a devastating loss at its heart.

Transcript

[Patrick Hines]

Foreign. Hello, Patrick Hines, fam.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

We are doing that thing that we do twice a year where we take the week off for the holiday. Happy 4th everywhere. Where is it? Happy 4th, everybody.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. And it just. Every year on July 4th, especially recently, I've been thinking of that Dazed and Confused thing where she's like. When you're off celebrating, like, the July 4th brouhaha, just realized that it's all, like, mediocre white dudes who didn't want to pay their taxes, like, as kids are leaving. And then it's like school daft saba. So that's kind of the vibe now. Like, slave owning, aristocratic white males didn't want to pay their taxes. It's like, can we add pedophiles to that this year?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Oh, my God. Well, listen, here's what we're doing. We're not leaving you high and dry. We are dropping the first episode of a recent series we did on Patreon, covering the HBO Max doc, Murder in Glitter Ball City.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. So it's two, like two and a half hour episodes on hbo. So we broke it up into three episodes for our Patreon because it was so crazy and highly requested.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Just to, like, give you a heads up, like, my tagline for this series is gays are exhausting.

[Patrick Hines]

I mean, these two.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

These few two K's, we got a bunch of drag queens. There's a murder. It's insane. We're in literally old Louisville, Kentucky, which is a section of Louisville, the world's most beautiful houses. But, like, the weirdest. If you love a series about, like, characters and people that are just out there and then like. But it also is, like, a very tragic story and awful. Yeah, it's very. I, like, loved this series. I. It was. I loved covering it.

[Patrick Hines]

I had notes. It doesn't. It's a very disjointed series. But we did our best to tell you the story in a cohesive way because they sure as shit work I'm doing.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So we tried to do our best.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I feel like when you get cameras on this amount of gay people on drag queens, you're like, just let it run. Just. Just let it run.

[Patrick Hines]

That part's great. But we got it. Like, I was confused. But we had fun, I think.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

But we had fun. If you're watching the video version of this, you're about to see a costume change because we're not recording this the same way that we recorded the episodes.

[Patrick Hines]

And I don't know what we were wearing. So I can't even make a reference.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

But you know what's wild? We did that all in one sitting. So for the three episodes, we are wearing the same outfit.

[Patrick Hines]

That was the other thing. We did it all in one sitting because we were like, how? We didn't know when we were gonna split up the episodes up to three. That's right. It's all chaos down there. Tom, if you wanna ch. I urge you to.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's patreon.com true GrimObsess. You can just go click the link in the show notes.

[Patrick Hines]

Enjoy it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Happy 4th. We love you.

[Patrick Hines]

Stay safe, please.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

As what's his name from Catfish once said, Happy fourth. Yay. Freedom.

[Patrick Hines]

Do you remember that debacle?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I remember. Catfish.

[Patrick Hines]

Catfish. Neve. This documentary is trying to do 1 million things. 15 million things.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Listen, I love you, but I love this documentary.

[Patrick Hines]

Unfortunately, telling a cohesive story is not one of the 15 million things they're trying to do. We are all over the place.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

My hot take on this was this all comes down down to somebody being a PC user and not a Mac user like that. That is the crux of the issue.

[Patrick Hines]

Doesn't it always? Doesn't it always? We got like incompetent cops and PC

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

issues and just a bunch of gays. We got some great drag queens. We got some ghost tours.

[Patrick Hines]

We got a lot going on.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Instagram post with some. Maybe ghosts. Maybe drag queen.

[Patrick Hines]

Maybe. Hopefully.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Fingers crossed out what we're talking about today.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, God. All right.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Tell them how we're doing it.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, this is a mouthful. So we're doing murder and glitterball city on hbo. Max.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

This is to any concerned persons regarding my death. I'm holding my boyfriend hostage because I have failed him and done terrible things which I can never recover from. This includes killing someone. Welcome to the neighborhood.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

The average house here in old Louisville has been around 135 years.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Probably seen some things.

[Patrick Hines]

So many people have lived and died in these houses. Louisville is an extremely spirited place.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

There's a ghost here, one back here.

[Patrick Hines]

This is our life. This is our world.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

We love it. Don't mess with it.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

The murder in the house on fourth Street.

[Patrick Hines]

Everyone knew about it. Hey, Dana. Everyone knew about it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I think I heard it from Hurricane, my drag mom. I found it fascinating. A dead body was found in the

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

basement of a gay couple's house.

[Patrick Hines]

From the very beginning, both Munt and Banis blamed each other.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

I saw a knife in Jeff's hands.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Joey had a knife in his hand.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

I'm not the one who killed anybody.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I did not do this.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Who.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Who is guilty here? You're a drug dealer, you are a murderer, and you are a liar. You can point your fingers at each other all day long. Who are we believing?

[Patrick Hines]

Here's the deal. It's two episodes, but they're each like. The first ep is an hour and 20 minutes. The second ep is an hour and eight minutes.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's not short.

[Patrick Hines]

So we're doing this in three episodes. We're recording it all in one sitting. We have no idea when we're stopping. We're just gonna ramble on for three hours and, like, splice it up somehow. But that's how we're doing it. Because there's no way. There's too much.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

No, there's no way to know. And like, my thing with the opening here, I just made a note after I got all the way to the end, I was like, God, gays can be exhausting.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, I wasn't gonna say it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yes, you were.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's tr. This whole documentary is exhausting.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I don't know why you hate it so much. I love it. Well, I never get to see the gays represented. I think it's fun that we're not fun, but I think it's important that we're gonna get to talk about some, like, things that I think. And I think you agree that, like, need to be discussed.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, sure, sure, sure.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And like, it's just a cast of characters. Like, we just meet a bunch of people. So we open with this guy named Joey. He. This is a home video and he's reading a suicide note.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

This. This is to any concerned persons regarding my death. My name is Joseph Richard Bayness, mostly known as Joey. I'm recording my death for the purpose of informing all informed are all concerned of my own willful suicide and the complete non involvement or culpability of anyone else. Specifically of my boyfriend, lover, life partner and friend. My one Jeffrey Steven Mundt.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

His boyfriend is also there in the hotel room. And this guy Joey, he looks dead and.

[Patrick Hines]

Or passed out.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I thought he was dead. But Joey's holding him at gunpoint.

[Patrick Hines]

That.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

That is where. That's where we're starting.

[Patrick Hines]

And Joey has done terrible things that he can never recover from. One of those things is killing a man. And then after that we get the opening credits with this, like, sexy, spooky version of Toxic by Britney Spears. And then you see that it's produced by World of Wonder. And I'm like, oh, that makes total sense.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Oh, I didn't drag race.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes. So when they I was like, okay,

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

look, I got to say that, like, the gay. The lgbtq, like, true crime stories don't get told that often. So, like, good for you, World of Wonder. Good for you for making something, you know, that people want to see.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Or we open with our narrator, this guy, David Domine, I think is how you say his name.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

He lives in Louisville. He works as a tour guide, and he writes books about the city. And we learn that. Oh, oh. This is where we learn, like, the big thing.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Welcome to the neighborhood. A lot of you might not know, it was a Kentuckian back in 1917 who first patented the disco ball. Throughout the decades, they've called it other things around here. Glitter ball still sticks. So Glitter Ball City, one of Louisville's lesser known nicknames.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Which, you know, I love.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

We owe a debt of gratitude to this guy.

[Patrick Hines]

I love a disco ball, Mirror ball, whatever you want to call it here. However they call it Glitter Ball.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And David says that it's a known nickname for the city. Now, I had never heard of this before. Now. I Googled it because I was like, wow. Because I wanted to be like, louisville sound off. Like, how. Apparently the Internet was really pissed because they were like, I've never called it that. No one I know has ever called it that. What's the deal? So David, the author, did a Reddit ama.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Oh.

[Patrick Hines]

And the first question is, what inspired you to give our city a nickname that no one's ever heard of? Shots, Fire.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And what do you say?

[Patrick Hines]

Well, Dave said, you know, there are so many different nicknames for Louisville. Derby City, River City, all this stuff. And he basically admits that he made it up. No. Which is fine. It's like, whatever. If you want to call your book Murder and Glitter Ball City. Like, whatever.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But we see a clip of him, like, on one of these tours, acting. One, like it's a known thing, and two, that, like, he did, like, just say you made it up, girl. That you, like, made it up for the title of your book.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Because, number one, it doesn't look anything like glitter. It looks like a mirror ball. You know, like, that's what is right.

[Patrick Hines]

Exactly. It literally is a mirror.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

No, I am. Look, look, David, don't get off on being an unreliable narrator this early in the documentary. We. We can't have that yet. But I wanted to just give a shout out to the Louisville fam, because I have done shows in Louisville, I think twice now. I. It's always been a great turnout. It's always been super fun. I Didn't know how gay Louisville was.

[Patrick Hines]

Super.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I didn't know that.

[Patrick Hines]

Complimentary.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You think Kentucky is, like. Like, conservative or whatever, but, like, we know they've got, like, a great Democratic governor. Andy Beshear, I think is his name.

[Patrick Hines]

Governor is the accurate word.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

People don't know that, but it's actually McGoverner.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's a. It's a. It's actually Mirror Ball Governor.

[Patrick Hines]

Yep.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's a Glitter Ball Governor.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, also, did you notice that in almost every interview, there's a glitter ball somewhere?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I didn't really.

[Patrick Hines]

They placed around, like, you would be talking and there's, like, a glitter ball behind you or on the desk. It's almost always. It's like almost all of the interviews. Like, not all of the cops and lawyers have one, but some do. But for the most part, if you really look when you're watching this, there's a glitter ball place in the performance interview.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I mean, they are beautiful. You and I did a whole photo shoot with glitter, mirror, whatever we're calling them, like, years ago. They're gorgeous. Like, they really are. Like, a beautiful statement piece.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, absolutely. You know, like, David's really hitting the glitter ball thing. He's making fetch happen in his world.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

So David is giving a tour of the neighborhood. This is the neighborhood that's going to be the backdrop for, like, the whole thing here.

[Patrick Hines]

It's beautiful. It's haunted, it's gay. Sign me up. It reminds me of New Orleans.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Well, he's telling us that it's, like, one of the most haunted neighborhoods in America. You can't go more than half a block without walking upon another reportedly haunted house. How did we not know this?

[Patrick Hines]

P.S. toxic is still playing in the background.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I love this version of the scene. Do you like it?

[Patrick Hines]

Sure. Yeah. Sexy, spooky versions of anything. I'll at least. Least give a shot.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Are you kidding me? Yeah. I did skip intro both times, but I had watched it before. I did.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, the version, I should clarify, not like, toxic isn't already sexy.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

But it's like a spooky, sexy version.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Well, and it's interesting because it applies. Like, the relationship here that we're going to talk about is very, very toxic.

[Patrick Hines]

It's, like, really the only word to describe it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

Murderous also, but toxic, which. And to be fair, yeah, not every time, but like.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

But David says I often write about

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

ghosts and hauntings in the old Louisville neighborhood. And when the story broke of the murder in the house on Fourth Street, I knew I had to Write about that murder. But I also wanted to write about the neighborhood and the many interesting characters who call it home.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I don't know how this isn't the most famous neighborhood in America.

[Patrick Hines]

It's beautiful.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

The houses are gorgeous. The neighbors are crazy. The hauntings are rampant. Like, how do we not all know about this? I think they throw like, one hell of a Halloween party.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, I'm sure they do. Like, it's very. It's stunning. The doc uses this device that gets old pretty quickly, but they have David, the author, like, narrating a passage about someone from his book, and then the voiceover transitions into the actual person reading the passage about themselves. I get it. It's great. I think it would work better if it happened like half as many times

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

or if any of what he wrote about them was true or that.

[Patrick Hines]

Because not everyone has notes.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all like, this is fiction. Like, none of this is. None of this is real. Like, Daisy couldn't have known. Like, the soft crinkle of the way she unwra the candy. It's like things.

[Patrick Hines]

David, the author invented everything. The title, Glitter Ball City.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

The crinkling of the candy.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You took that away from me so early.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sorry. Because I was like, wait a second, I never heard. And I just wanted to, like, really look into the history of this really cool name.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, truly.

[Patrick Hines]

Literally everyone was like, we've net. Like, where is this coming from?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Well, and speaking of, we meet this guy, Little John, right? So he owns a little jewel. It's called Little John's Derby Jewelry. And there's absolutely no reason for him and his wife Missy to be here, except for the fact that they are totally total characters.

[Patrick Hines]

Characters from the neighborhood. And John's like, I don't like to use the word superstar. I'm a humble and I always will be, but like, I'm absolutely a superstar. Now. Missy is the stage mom of the duo. She's like, that writes all of their commercials. And by writing, she means taking very well known songs and changes the lyrics to make them about the store. Yeah, no shade. I love Weird Al. I just. We got to be honest about what we're doing here, Missy.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I guess the best one is. Hey, hey, hey. We're going to Little John's today to get our cash. Today you will get a good deal and you get paid for real. So bring it to Little John's. Gold is trading at an awesome fifteen hundred dollars an ounce, but not for long. So bring it to Little John's. That's probably my favorite. And the thing is, like, they are local quote celebrities because their commercials are so. They're just so dumb.

[Patrick Hines]

And because they just keep calling themselves local celebrities 100%. That's how that happens.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I'm gonna start doing that. I'm local.

[Patrick Hines]

You haven't been doing that all this time.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I get maybe. Maybe a little bit.

[Patrick Hines]

A little bit.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

But, like, it's New York, so I guess it doesn't really work. You can't be a local celebrity in New York.

[Patrick Hines]

But you can also just say that and, like, the person meeting you would be like, oh, wow, cool.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I want my bio to be, like, local celebrity Patrick Hines.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And everyone will be like, okay, we're going with it. Who gives a shit?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Because these two really are, like. They're. They're just like, whatever. They are just, like, really weird. Also, he's like this little Filipino man.

[Patrick Hines]

Little John.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And she's like, it's just a clever name. It's like, truly.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And, like, she's this, like, larger than life white blonde woman. The thing is, I feel like they, like, love each other.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. That's great. You know, I sure hope so.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I need to have some kind of, like, decent relationship in this thing. Little John's therapist told him about David's book, and he's only reading it because he's in the documentary. He hasn't even finished it yet. He's got, like, 100 pages. Missy is not one to pick up a book and read it. She says something about the way that her eyes have to move back and forth. Literally a quote that she says.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Reading is just not for her. So what happens is that Little John reads, reads it, and then tells her about it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

What? Reading is fundamental.

[Patrick Hines]

It is.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You know what I mean? If we've learned nothing else. Reading is fundamental.

[Patrick Hines]

How's your head?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

No complaints yet.

[Patrick Hines]

Thank you. What was that episode where, like. No. Who. Who.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

No one was getting it.

[Patrick Hines]

Where, like. And everyone was like, Like, Like, Katya is like, just say you haven't had any complaints. Who was the drag queen? I can't remember. Who was like, it's. I feel fine.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

I don't.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Absolutely no fun whatsoever.

[Patrick Hines]

Tylenol.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And they're like, fudgeing. Detox. Don't come for me. Detox. I take it back.

[Patrick Hines]

Talk about Toxic Talks was. They were so mean to.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

But also, like, Alaska and Sharon Needles, you know, like, that was. We're looking at that religion.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Let's not.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Let's not. But. So we're only here with these two because the author of the book claims that he learned about this case because one of Little John's commercials was, quote, interrupted by a news flash, which I don't even 100% believe, but he wants characters.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And also speaking about things we don't believe, the house in question is 1435 S. Fourth St. We see, like, the Zillow listing from the time it was on the market for like, 300 grand. Of course, I Zillowed the shit out of it today. No pictures of the basement.

[Patrick Hines]

Hopefully it was redone.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Oh, my God. The rest of the house, like, it's a beautiful house, but, like, it's the kind of house that you could look at and be like, oh, that's great.

[Patrick Hines]

It's dark, it's, you know, I, I again, complimentary. The whole neighborhood is like that. The whole Victorian. It's very. A lot of people were comparing this to, like, Midnight in the Garden of Primeval. Like that, that vibe.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah. And the house is much in much better shape now. It's on the market now for a million bucks. I feel like it's been vacant for quite a while. But David, the author, speaking of stories you don't quite believe, says that, like, when the house was on the market back then, back in like 2009 or whatever it was, he went to look at it and the house was a total wreck. And look, we see the pictures of the basement from back then and it's

[Patrick Hines]

a like, you know why I'm chuckling?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Why?

[Patrick Hines]

Because I know what you're going to say.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Well, right. It's like a dirt floor basement. It is absolutely a fudgeing, terrifying murder basement.

[Patrick Hines]

That part is not funny.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

He decides not to buy the house. And as David, the author describes it as he's walking down the stairs to leave the showing, some rude son of a bitch is running up the stairs, bumps into him, doesn't even say, I'm sorry. Turns out to be Jeffrey Mund, the murderer. And I'm like, the future murderer. I know that.

[Patrick Hines]

And I guess if the, if it's like, oh, well, I put the pieces together, it's just like, David, I gotta

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

tell you, I know a lot of.

[Patrick Hines]

What do they call that? Like, lies, I guess. I don't know. You know, how do you, like, improve the truth? That's a quote. Directed from the movie, not the musical.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

We've done this too many times. The only news is we can't still have to be telling people.

[Patrick Hines]

That's what Jack Kelly says. He's just like, improving the truth.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Right, Exactly. It's the whole. I mean, while we're here on the gay stuff, it's like Stonewall. It's like, how many? Like all. Everybody who was alive and gay in New York in 1969 now says they were in Stonewall. And like, my friend Eric Marcus, the historian, just goes through and debunks it. He's like, sorry, Jim, you weren't actually there. You weren't, girl.

[Patrick Hines]

And I have the proof.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And here are the receipts.

[Patrick Hines]

Kim Crumb is a local writer. She did not want David to write this book. I'm a writer. I'm not a famous writer. I'm just a writer. I told David that I didn't want him to write the book because we're a front porch neighborhood and we see each other all the time. People know things about each other in this neighborhood has secrets. But he didn't listen to me.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And like, yeah, that's why you write the book.

[Patrick Hines]

But most importantly, David wrote that she served chicken salad sandwiches on a silver platter. And let the record show she had never once done that. So, yeah, it was a. Creative nonfiction.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Let me just say this is the kind of neighborhood where they get together all the time. Like once or twice a week. They're all going to each other's houses for like, cocktail parties.

[Patrick Hines]

Whether they like it or not.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Whether you like it or not, you have to go sign me up. Yeah, this is my. This is my kind of neighborhood.

[Patrick Hines]

Maria. I hate Maria. She is a local singer. Just ask her. She'll tell you. She lives in one of the biggest houses in town. She's a trophy hunter.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Barf.

[Patrick Hines]

Her house is full of dead animals. She's telling us all about this as she's showing off her zebra skin rug. She even dressed up as her dead. She even dressed up her dead groundhog in a little tuxedo and brought it as a date to a Groundhog Day party.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Which does seem like the kind of thing these people would find charming.

[Patrick Hines]

Uh huh. It's the trophy hunting.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Not these people.

[Patrick Hines]

Not these people.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

You lose me at trophy hunting.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I don't think.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, I know a lot about you, and I don't like any of it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and here's the thing, David, the author is telling us that these houses have been around for generations, like hundreds of years. These houses have seen some shit. People have died in them. People have killed each other in them. People have killed themselves in them. And it's just like they're referring to These houses as like, as living beings. Like, imagine the trauma these houses have been through, going through this, like, generation after generation.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, did anything good happen in a single square foot of this town? The answer is yes, of course. But this, we're focusing on all the. And you know what I also resent now that we're here, please. Is when we make it like, ooh, it's spooky. It's like, no, these two pieces of shit killed somebody.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

And we're not gonna make it like, like spooky and like goth and cool and funky. Like, don't do that either.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

But my. In defense of the neighborhood, like, I, I, you know, two bad apples. Right. You know what I mean? The neighborhood is like old. Like, we're going to learn as we go through this. It's part of the, like, tradition of the neighborhood to sort of like dress up like the people who died there.

[Patrick Hines]

I love it all. I love the storytelling. I love the ghost tours. If this was a ghost tour documentary, I'd love it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Unfortunately, it's not.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's so little. It's part ghost tour.

[Patrick Hines]

But you know what I mean? When people are like, you know, with Elisa Lam, it's like, let's talk to a psychic about what happened at the Cecil Hotel. Like, we're not doing that.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's too recent. That's the problem. It's like they want to sort of, I don't want to say have a little fun, but they, they, they like the fact that like, tragic things happened in this neighborhood like 100 years ago. And those are the ones that they like, dress up as.

[Patrick Hines]

And like they do the reenactments of it all.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah. And like, but this is way too soon, way too tragic.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And so it feels like they're trying to connect those two dots and it's like, let's leave the 135 year old stories that are now like the folklore of the town. Yeah, that's a totally different thing than like this really awful that happened fueled five, you know, like, it's too. We have separate.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I agree. Deborah Richards is here. She's the general neighborhood pain in the ass. Love her. I am an architectural historian and I'm a general neighborhood pain in the ass. There's a saying on Belgravia Court. Once a Belgravian, always a Belgravian.

[Patrick Hines]

This is our life. This is our world.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

We love it. Don't mess with it. In the early 60s, Belgravian houses were boarded up and in danger of being torn down. And three gentlemen purchased 11 houses on the court and renovated them. This was grassroots.

[Patrick Hines]

Gay grassroots.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And she's the one who tells us the name of this neighborhood. It's Belgravian Court, which, like, God, you just can't beat it. Yeah, you know, it's great.

[Patrick Hines]

The aesthetic is like Chef's.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

The aesthetic is perfect. She's like, once a Belgravian, always a Belgravian. Like, people who live in this neighborhood, like, love it and take it and they gloss over this later. But, like, we're going to learn the two main guys here are Joey and Jeff. And Jeff, they never got involved in the neighborhood. Like, Jeff buys that that house and, like, never meets the neighbors, you know? But Deborah's telling us that it was in the 1960s that the whole neighborhood was in danger of being torn down. Three Guys purchased 11 houses and renovated them. They were all gay.

[Patrick Hines]

They're all gay.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

All of the gays. And like, of course, like, all of the gays bought these Victorian houses. Can you imagine, like, if they had just demolished that neighborhood, these gays? She calls it gay grassroots. I'm obsessed. And this is where we meet Bill and Dale.

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, this was grassroots. Gay grassroots.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yes. Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And she says, like, yes. And she says it like, it's a fabulous neighborhood. But, yeah, the gays came in and saved the day, as per usual. You know, they infused gay culture and lots of drag and lots of parties, and everyone was, like, free to be themselves. And I'm not saying that in a cheesy way. Like, it was a great place to be in this culture.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And, like, Bill and Dale, they're like the elder gay statesmen of the neighborhood. They've been there since the 80s, and they were saying, like, this was a place that wanted us when nobody else. You know, like, this was a place for us to be able to come. And I would think that in a place like Kentucky, those alcoves are hard to find, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

Of course. Absolutely. God. Now Maria the trophy hunter is singing I know the Nearness of you, which is a very famous jazz standard.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

This is also. Deborah is here, too. This, like, clip kind of went viral on TikTok. Like, this is where I first saw about this, because she's, like, sitting on a fountain and she's like, my personal

[Patrick Hines]

theory is that gays are the predictors of recovery. If you have a blighted neighborhood and gays move in and start renovating, you know, it's going to be a go, you know, it's going to be a success.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And I was like, I just Remember seeing that on the Internet and being like, what is this?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. There's like a whole Will and Grace episode about that where like, oh, right.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Gays don't go away. Gays don't go away.

[Patrick Hines]

Jack and Will buy this place and

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

like, they think in the wrong town

[Patrick Hines]

and they think that like. Like all the Straits are going to be mad at them and they're like, no, no, no. Do you know what you just did for property value?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

They throw a brick through the window that says, don't leave.

[Patrick Hines]

And they're. And Will and Jack are like, no, we're not that kind of gay. Like, we're not really that kind of. I can't believe we're welcome here. Thanks so much. But, yeah, that's like a known thing that of course the gays come in and bring culture and.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Safety.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Right. Because we have to find areas that would, like, historically allow us to be there. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

So it's the two awful guys here are Joey and Jeffrey, who sometimes goes by Jace. I have descriptors for them once in two seconds. There's a lot of video footage of them that they took themselves. But they met. They met in 2009 on Adam for Adam, which is just like a gay.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Like, I've heard of it, but I've never been on it.

[Patrick Hines]

So Jeff, I think we can call him Preppy Jeff.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Because he's described as preppy. And we're like ties. And then Joey was like the bad boy with the Mohawk. Mohawk Joey. Joey Mohawk.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah. I love it. Joey Bananas.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. The guys here. And I hate, hate, hate that I have to say this because I'm not making light of this.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

But their names are Joey, Jeffy and Jamie, which are literally the names of the three guys in Daria who are obsessed with Quinn. And they're Joey, Jeffrey, Jamie. So, like, if this. This documentary is hard to follow anyway. Dear listener.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So the fact that we have three J names. I know. Makes it difficult. Preppy. Preppy Jeff.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And Mohawk Joey.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Sure.

[Patrick Hines]

That feels.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

We can't just go with Jeff and

[Patrick Hines]

Joey because I feel like it's going to. Once we get to who said what about who and whatever.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

We got to differentiate them somehow. That's my pitch.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Jeff. No, that's great. Preppy Jeff. Mohat Jo.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Jeff is a technology consultant for the University of Louisville. And he's like the buttoned up. Like you were saying, Joey's got like dyed hair, tattoos, piercings. It's like an opposite to track situation.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. And so we get audio from Mohawk Joey that says he is HIV positive and a convicted felon.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And so when he met Preppy Jeff, he's like, oh, like this guy used to work for the nsa, he worked for the government. He's super smart. Like oh my God, like opposite track, match made in heaven.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And for Jeff, like Joey Mohawk Joey comes from like a really well to do family. His dad like a, like a very, very well known plastic surgeon apparently. And so like Jeff is saying that like this all happens very fast. And it took me until the second time watching this to realize that like they meet in October by Thanksgiving at Jeff's. By Thanksgiving at Joey's parents house, they're like falling in love. Jeff is like loving Joey's parents and they decide they're going to move in together.

[Patrick Hines]

Preppy Jeff says, you know, I was sitting there talking about politics and health care. Was Joey's parents on Thanksgiving and Joey was relegated to sit with the dog. First of all, that's the best seat in the house.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

100.

[Patrick Hines]

Second, I don't have a second of all. I think I've made my point. No, I don't want to be discussing fucking. I'm sorry.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

I'll go with the dogs.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I kind of like it. Like I liked, I love the idea because Mohawk, I just want to break from it all.

[Patrick Hines]

You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah. Well, this was a different time. This was like 2009, 2008. You know what I mean? Like, ouch. That was a.

[Patrick Hines]

It was a day, it was a different conversation.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Can you imagine?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Now I'm just like, can I just like stuff myself with the stuffing and the Mac and cheese and sit with the dogs?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Nobody wants to talk about coffee.

[Patrick Hines]

Turn my brain off and just get in a food coma and sleep and maybe never awake up. Fingers crossed. Is that where we are?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Put the pillow over my face. Like you so much. We're back with Missy and Little John. They're on set making a Christmas commercial for the Jewelry Emporium or whatever.

[Patrick Hines]

Parody of the it's the most wonderful time of the year. She's doing the choreo. She's mouthing the words. She's reminding everyone to smile real big. She's talking to everybody like they're in kindergarten.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And like the point. She was like, the lead just wants to be told he's doing a good job.

[Patrick Hines]

She's not giving it to him and he's doing great. I'll say it. And she's like, oh my God, I do everything. Did I Mentioned. I'm the director, Missy.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know. I've worked with Corky before.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, strike it. We know all the terms.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Strike it. Officer Terry is here. He is famous for one thing. Because he was like. He's like the cop that they hired to be their full time security guard. Because they sell gold. Like they really do need.

[Patrick Hines]

They need security. For sure.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

They have done what the mob did not. It's a danger. Like a 24 hour security guard, 100%. But they put him in their ads. Yeah, I've done probably six or seven commercials for them. But the one that really put me on the map was the super gold man. Man, I'm super go man. The fairest in the land. I'm taking you to D. John's broke. That's his shoes. He pays you cash. So bring it in and get your cash today. I've walked into restaurants and stuff and they say, hey, that's the super gold man. Also one of those, like superhero suits where you have to wear the underpants on the outside.

[Patrick Hines]

It's like a bathing suit.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's awkward. I'm never wearing one of those.

[Patrick Hines]

No, I don't. I don't get the ads.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Even as a local celebrity, I'm not wearing one.

[Patrick Hines]

Platforms, yes. Like, bathing suit. No. Missy drops this insane tidbit and little John is literally like, oh, honey, please stop talking. Missy says yesterday she had to drive all the way to 25th and Broadway to do a costume fitting with officer Terry. And she goes, so I put my hoodie up, I put my gun in my lap, and I try to hit every green light so I don't have to stop because if somebody comes up to me, I'm going to shoot him. I'm going to kill him. On Little John is like, oh, I know. She's like, you know, if someone like comes up to the car at the red light and. And I'm like, missy's there with her finger gun. And I'm like, missy, here's a question. What the actual fuck are you talking about? And then we get all of these stats about Louisville and yeah, we get all these stats about Louisville. And the point is that it's like the carjacking capital of Kentucky. So we're told on a news segment. Yeah, so Missy is saying that for her own protection, she's just speeding through these lights with a gun on her lap in case, ready to shoot somebody

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

in the face if they come up to the window and ask for directions.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm like, make officer Terry come

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

to you then literally and then we come cut to the store where they show us all the guns they've got just scattered throughout. Little John comes out with a shotgun that is bigger than him, which again

[Patrick Hines]

makes sense to me to have high security. Like what he does is dangerous. It's all cash. It's all valuables. I'm sure, like he needs.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Do you want to hear like the odd story about my father? My dad was a. An anti coin dealer. And like back. I don't remember, it was like before I was born or when I was very young. He got mugged a bunch of times. At one point he was mugged at gunpoint in the store, tied to a chair.

[Patrick Hines]

Wow.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Not wild.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Like I'm not surprised.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know. Same kind of business.

[Patrick Hines]

It's scary. All cash, all valuables. People get desperate. Especially if we're hearing like how much crime is in this.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Neighborhood. Which the news says, if that's not

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

true, we love you. I'm still moving there. I'm like, I don't care. Please. I don't care how dangerous.

[Patrick Hines]

Officer Terry says they have two to three times the national average for pretty much all crimes. It makes sense that if you're in a cash business with a lot of gold and jewelry, you'd have a bunch

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

of guns for sure.

[Patrick Hines]

Little John says it's a neat, dangerous place that's full of happy, sad people. Neat, dangerous, happy, sad.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

John is a man of contradictions. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

Title of my book.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

So.

[Patrick Hines]

June 17, 2010. It's 9:30, preppy Jeff calls. 911-911.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Operator, walk away. Emergency please. 1425 South 4th Street. My ex boyfriend is attacking me in my house. Please come immediately. What's the address? 1435 South Forest.

[Patrick Hines]

Please. What's your name?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Jeffrey Mont. Okay, who is attacking your door? Joey Bayness.

[Patrick Hines]

This is ex boyfriend.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

He's in the house. I'm not safe. He's in the house trying to bring

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

on

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Jeff does sound terrified. I will say like he sounds absolutely terrified. And I just want to do the timeline here. They met in October. They moved in in November and now it's June. And there were at the domestic violence.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. You know, so the cops arrive and they rest arrest Mohawk Joey. I two weird things here. The cops have to break the door down, which is weird because I thought Joey already did that.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And like Jeff is literally like he's already in. He's already in.

[Patrick Hines]

So what you're saying Jeff is that Mohawk Joey broke in and then locked the door behind him?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

That's just a weird thing that doesn't make any sense.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And like preppy Jeff is on the phone with 911 the entire time and is to trying starting to sound like he's playing dumb. He doesn't. He can't hear anything. He doesn't know. He needs a lot of like, are they here? Is he gone and am I safe? And I'm like, that's so weird because with all the breaking down indoors, this is the quietest 911 call I've ever heard.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's true, bro. It's true. It's true. And so we see a lot of interrogation video. Joey Mohawk. Joey is arrested for domestic violence. For domestic violence. And as part of his interrogation, he tells the cops he witnessed a murder and the body is buried in the basement. And that Jeff, the boyfriend who called the cops on him him is the one who did it.

[Patrick Hines]

Now here's the twist. I know you're like, girl, oh my God, I got a spinning.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

Donnie is the head of homicide and he tells us that at the time the television program the First 48 was filming. And so every episode, this show films an entire case from beginning to end. Meaning that we have video from the police station and we have video from the episode of 48 Hours.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Which is very hard to find.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Patrick Hines]

So the original episode is either not online or whatever, but there's conflicting information about what season it is. But there is a two parter on a series called after the First 48, which I don't know if it's like a recap or an update or whatever. And it's season six called what Lies Beneath. But it's two episodes. But the original one that like they're talking about here I couldn't find anywhere.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And it's crazy because the officer is saying with the, with the first 48 filming, you got to get to the bottom of it. Like you're going to be on camera, girl. And you do not want to be the cop on TV who could not solve the crime, which could.

[Patrick Hines]

I just got to be the wet blanket for two seconds. Could really lead to a lot. Bullshit.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Oh, I'm with you on this. I don't think that's what blankety at all.

[Patrick Hines]

You know, like that. That is a very dangerous. Yes saying to have this pressure of like you have to wrap it up by lunch, you know, like 48 hours, girl. We've been, you know, we've been there and 18 years later we're trying to get people.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Exactly. No, I couldn't Agree more. And, you know, Joey is now saying,

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

my boyfriend lied somehow and gotten police there and had me arrested for something that I didn't do.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

What. What's your motivation today to come. To come forward and tell us about this?

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

I wasn't able to tell anybody in the beginning because, one, I was scared for myself, scared for my family, and I was also in love with this guy. But over the past seven or eight months, one. I no longer love him. And to somebody's just got to know the truth.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

The cops were saying, what, like, how long has that body been in the basement? And he's like, about six months. And he's like, why are you telling us about it now? And. And he's like, my boyfriend, Preppy Jeff is so terrifying. I didn't feel safe until now. He threatened me. He threatened my family. But now that I'm here at the police station with you, I'm telling you, like, there's a body buried in our basement. And the cops kind of don't believe it at first.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So now on the flip side, Preppy Jeff's story is that he tried to break up with Mohawk Joey, but then Mohawk Joey threatened to kill him and frame him for murder.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And we're gonna get a lot of this. Jeff is gonna say he threatened to kill me and was gonna kill my family, and Joey threatened to kill me and was going to kill my family.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. So we get, like, a lot of footage again. The first 48. The first 48 footage and the cops footage. Preppy Jeff is very concerned about his cats, which I understand. Like, he's left it. It is pets at the house.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I. I totally get it. It is so gay. Like, he's just, like. He's more concerned about the cats than any says it through. He says it on the witness stand. Eventually, he says it to the cops. Like, he really, really is worried about the cat.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, don't humanize yourself, Preppy Jeff.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know.

[Patrick Hines]

Don't make me, like, understand where you're coming from.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Totally. That makes me craz cats trapped in that house.

[Patrick Hines]

I know. Like, it's so. It's so. It's animal abuse once you learn what the house has been like, it's animal abuse to even keep another living creature.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Except I feel like the animals are the only things well taken care of in that house.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I'm sure they have loving homes now.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So Preppy Jeff tells the cops that he's a victim of domestic violence and he's in an abusive relationship with Mohawk Joey, who is awful and he is crazy. Now. Preppy Jeff has this, like, great rapport with the cops. At one point, I don't know if you caught this. He wonders if he should, like, play to the camera for the first 48.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I have it right here. He's, like, talking to the first 48 guys. Hi. Sorry. Literally, I'm looking at the camera. Hi. Sorry. Should I not be talking to you? Should I be like, where's my angle? What's my life?

[Patrick Hines]

Speaking of drag race, he's Jinx as Judy Garland. Like, where's my camera? I'm not even going to try to do the impression because Jinx nails it. I don't know. It's like. It's Jinxy doing, like, old, older. Judy Garland.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Where's my camera? I can't do it. She's too good at it. Jinx, I love you so much.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You know? We're seeing her as Judy Garland in End of the Rainbow in London. Love, we have an extra ticket.

[Patrick Hines]

I love Jinxy. So this also, also, this guy is eating a burger that they got him carefully folding the wrapper.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Just. Everything is so gay. It's all so gay.

[Patrick Hines]

What's weird is that, like, he finishes the burger, which is crazy. And I know we're not allowed to put ourselves in the position of, like, what would you do if that were me? I wouldn't be able to eat.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

I would be so anxious.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Well, we're going to be. I mean, we're going to learn eventually. This guy has absolutely no conscience. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

He's a total murderous sociopath. But I'm just saying, I'm watching him, like, organize his little burger and the wrapper and then, like, finish it, and I'm like, I couldn't eat in that situation.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

She legitimately throws the wrapper away and then rearranges its placement in the trash. It doesn't get gayer than this.

[Patrick Hines]

It's very. It's. It's. And it's like, don't make me hate the gay stuff.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know. God, there's plenty of gay stuff to like in this one, I think.

[Patrick Hines]

But there's also.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

There's plenty to hate.

[Patrick Hines]

I know, but he's just, like, chilling. He's, like, super relaxed. He's yawning. Not a care in the world.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I mean, honestly, the cops, they are both saying the same story. Mohawk is saying, my boyfriend killed a guy and wouldn't let me tell. Preppy Jeff is saying, my boyfriend killed a guy, wouldn't let me Tell they are believing Jeff because Jeff doesn't have a mohawk and doesn't have piercings and doesn't have tattoos. Like, they are literally believing Jeff because he looks more normal to him.

[Patrick Hines]

Right, of course. So they go there. Like, they search the house. Mohawk. Joey draws them a map of the basement where they find the body, and they dig, like, 6 to 8ft, and they find the body of James. James, Jamie Carroll.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I mean, just. Can we just say, like, digging. Like, they. These guys buried that body eight feet into the ground. They, like, months ago. And, like. And the amount of physical labor that both, like, the killers had to do and the cop, like, that is a lot.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah. Not when you're on meth.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I. That's true. I don't think the cops are on meth, honestly.

[Patrick Hines]

Like. Yeah, when you. I have no experience doing meth, but I've heard, you know, you just get fucking superhuman and crazy, and, like, suddenly 12 hours have gone by, and you're like, shit, did I just dig eight?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know. And I've got so many questions about this because, like, the thing is, like, obviously there's so much more to get through, but, like, if these guys hadn't turned on each other, they never would have gotten caught.

[Patrick Hines]

I have a theory about that later.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Okay.

[Patrick Hines]

And I'm gonna say, because I think,

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

because it's confounding to me, because nobody was looking for this guy.

[Patrick Hines]

I agree.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Nobody was looking for dead Jamie.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. Which sucks. And I. I appreciate that. We have a lot of people here to speak for Jamie. Yes. One of them is Jody. She's Jamie's childhood friend, and she. They were like, such besties, and they needed each other, and they found each other, and it feel they were just like, such soul mates. Because Jody tells this, like, really heartbreaking story about how Jamie grew up. My grandmother had a house that was right behind Martin Elementary School, and I noticed Jamie was hanging around the school more, and so I started hanging around with him. And for a couple of days, we played and got to notice that he never really went home. And then I remember our teacher telling us that Jamie was in the hospital and that his dad had beaten him almost to death and they didn't know if he was going to make it or not.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

This wasn't that long ago. This was like the 90s.

[Patrick Hines]

And Jody explains, like, as she describes their shitty town, she's like, some of the churches still handled snakes. And I'm like, jody got it. Say no more. I know exactly what you mean by that. Like, that is just a Very old, backwoods way of life. And, like, did anything happen to the father who almost killed Jamie? Probably not.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Probably not.

[Patrick Hines]

So Diana is Jamie's beauty school instructor.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Oh, God.

[Patrick Hines]

She has a lot of trouble with specifics because she's always turning in mid sentence to ask the person 20ft behind her about the details. And then we barely hear.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And the details are also not important.

[Patrick Hines]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Like, she's not asking you, was he on 3rd street or 4th?

[Patrick Hines]

She's like, what? It was over in Rock City. Was it over in Rock City? And then we hear the other person like, yes or no? I don't know. But what was over in Rock City? Eluding Illusions by James.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

James was an.

[Patrick Hines]

Jamie was an excellent stylist. He loved Bahama Mamas. He could do hair, makeup styling. He could do everything. And Illusions was like his full service salon. That was like his pride and joy.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Which, it's just another thing. It will eventually make sense. But the thing I kept coming back to was like, this guy was missing for six months and nobody was looking for him. He was a business owner. He had people who loved him. He was giving free haircuts to little kids before. I know, like, this was just a. And he was also, like, according to everybody, just like the most gorgeous drag queen. Like, his friend Nick is here to be like, I saw this gorgeous blonde walk in and sit down. I was totally hitting on her and trying to get with her. And then I realized it was my dear friend Jamie in drag.

[Patrick Hines]

Ranica Reed was Jamie's drag name.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

What is it?

[Patrick Hines]

Ronica Reed. Absolutely stunning and, like a kick ass performer.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

As well. Like, not just. Just like, nailed it. Tens, tens, tens across the board.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

It's one of those things where like, all of these, like all of these little cities, and I'm not saying Louis, a little city, but like, these cities that aren't New York, L.A. chicago have these, like, thriving little enclaves of, like, gay life. And, like, these gay bars look amazing. Their drag queens are gorgeous. Their Go Go dancers are gorgeous. Like, they're. They're not, like, they're. They're not like bumpkin drag queens. They're like professionals.

[Patrick Hines]

Totally legit.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I like, the next time I go to Louisville, who's taking me on a gay bar tour? We got to do the gay bars and the haunted houses.

[Patrick Hines]

We gotta.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Oh, my God. Let's talk to Michael Valentine and Hurricane Summers.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Michael Valentine is, according to his Instagram, an entertainer and pageant boy and just fudgeing gorgeous.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

So beautiful.

[Patrick Hines]

Hurricane Summers is his drag mom.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Hurricane is just like, she's this. I wrote she's this fabulous old drag queen. Please let her be.

[Patrick Hines]

My drag mother has seen it all stories for days. Where's Hurricane's documentary? I.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And like, she's just talking about, like, how hot Joey was. I didn't know Joey Banis. Met him when he was bartending at one of the bars. And I found him fascinating. He really couldn't be bothered with me. I was just a crazy little drag queen from down the street. So some people dress the part. He owned it. You know, this is me. This is who I am. You know, eat me, whatever. He was that type of guy. Just boom. He was like a bartender and he was good looking and, and, and everybody really liked him. And it's like when he would do drugs, like, he would get. He would be like the quote, life of the party.

[Patrick Hines]

But yeah, so he was very, very into meth. And he would, like, compulsively clean the bars for hours and hours and hours after closing. He just, like, scrub and scrub and scrub and like, I guess that's like, great. I guess, like, he's on meth and just starts cleaning. But he also starts stealing.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I mean, so what he would do. Hurricane tells us that, like, she would be at the bar with Joey. He would clean for hours. That he would steal all the top

[Patrick Hines]

shelf liquor, like, boxes and boxes case,

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Grey Goose and Knob Creek and, like, take it down the road to his other bartending gig where he would just like. And one of the guys like, so wait, do they own both bars? He's like, nope. And he would just like, take it and leave.

[Patrick Hines]

And they're like, all right, see you later.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

One night, Joey stole all of the booze, but only the top shelf.

[Patrick Hines]

He robs the place blind.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

He literally emptied out the atm. Like, he figured out how to pop open the atm, takes all the key cash, steals the speakers off the wall

[Patrick Hines]

and all the money from the safe. So he knew where all the money was and how to get it, all the booze. And then he took it to start his own bar. And someone's like. And we never saw him again.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And like, they called the cops, kind of. And the cops are like, we're trying to build a case against him.

[Patrick Hines]

Way too gay for the cops.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Way too gay for the cops. But the bar that Joey opens is a place called Glow. And everyone's like, how did he get a liquor license? Like, he's a convicted felon that you can't do that in in Kentucky.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, which is weird. And we still don't really know exactly what he did.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Money talks, right? Money and meth talks well.

[Patrick Hines]

And GLOW stands for Gay Lesbian One World.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Say that again.

[Patrick Hines]

Gay Lesbian One World. Sounds like.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I love it.

[Patrick Hines]

Supposed to be like a bar for everybody.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Lesbians are welcome everywhere, right? But we meet Daniel. Yeah. He was in high school when he met Joey. So he says he was 16 or 17. Had like a little crush on Joey. Hooked up with Joey in the, in the bar

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

and then.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And I stuck around for a little bit, worked the bar.

[Patrick Hines]

I shouldn't have been there.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

He knew how old I was. He was a nice boss. He had like a little case that he would carry around that had like full of different drugs and stuff. And he was very, very nice about like very generous when it came to giving away his drugs. So Joey is a big victim in this. But Joey has also done some crazy things.

[Patrick Hines]

Joey is a sexual predator. Joey was absolutely grooming 16 year old Daniel and was awful to him because Daniel explains like working at the club. Joey was a fucking maniac. Like there was a. He tells a story. Daniel, 16 years old, having sex with someone who's much older than like groomed and abused. No question. But Joey, he tells a story where Mohawk Joey locked everyone in the bar and demanded that they just like painted a different color. Which is so meth and so stupid, it's insane. Then he'd disappear for hours because he's so fucking high. And then he'd come back and then he wouldn't come back and then he would. And it's like he wouldn't even remember the. That he asked them to paint it. Like this is fudgeing crazy.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Imagine locking people into the bar.

[Patrick Hines]

And he also wouldn't pay you except in drugs.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yes.

[Patrick Hines]

So it's like, okay, so you're grooming this person. You're assaulting the 16 year old. You're only, you're feeding him drugs, you're locking him in. Like Joey, what the fuck?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Glo does not last very long. It's a very short lived tenure in the gay bar scene in Louisville.

[Patrick Hines]

Also I want to say everyone is talking about how he was like very generous with his drugs. Like whatever. But like Joey's HIV positive and I really, really hope that he wasn't sharing needles.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

With people. Like I just, I don't even know

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

how you do these drugs.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. And I don't know if it's just meth. I don't know. But it made me nervous.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

That we learned this Thing about him. And he seems to have no.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And I've got more to say about this later too. So. June 18, 2010. It's hours after the body's discovered. The police interrogations are continuing. Joey asked for an attorney. And my note here is somehow the interview doesn't stop immediately because the cop is just back from his basement, right? And wants to scream at Joey about how long it took them to dig up the body.

[Patrick Hines]

Body, right?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And then Joey once again says lawyer. And then it's over.

[Patrick Hines]

And then it's over. Now Preppy Jeff. Then we're like, we cut to Preppy Jeff.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And the cops like break the news that a body was discovered in his home. And at first Preppy Jeff is like, oh my God, this is brand new information. Are you telling me there's a body in my house?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Joey, how did you do this?

[Patrick Hines]

Head in hands, then he plants the seed almost to himself. But like just loud enough that every camera can pick it up. Oh, God, Joey, how could you do something like this? Yeah, okay, the drama, right?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I gotta tell you, the first time I watched this, I was in Hook, like sign and sinker.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, because preppy Jeff agrees to a

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

polygraph test which is like, make this make sense.

[Patrick Hines]

Because he thought he was the smart

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

one, honestly, he's got to take it back five minutes later when they're doing the pre polygraph interview and the guy, the polygraphers, like, so you're going to tell me that you know nothing about this murder, right?

[Patrick Hines]

And he's like, but like before that, we get this reveal because the first 48, the cameras for that show pick up something chilling. So he's like, yeah, I'll do a poly. And remember, all we know is like, he's crying. He's like, oh my God, like, what?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Give me the graph, baby.

[Patrick Hines]

I can't believe it. And so as he's walking down the hallway, the cameras for the first 48, he's behind the cop. He doesn't think anyone can see him. And he is full on smirking and not even the loudest.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

No.

[Patrick Hines]

You can't judge how someone handles trauma. Bullshit can excuse this, but my thing

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

is like, I don't understand what the. Like, why is he smirking like he's gotten away with something when he knows in five minutes he's going to have to be like, just kidding, I know everything.

[Patrick Hines]

I think that's all part of the manipulation because he's going to put it on Mohawk. Joey.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So he know, he's like, oh, I know how to get out of this. But it is a very chilling thing because then. Because I'm like, wait, he is just crying now? He's smirking.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So then when he sits to take the polygraph now, his story changes, and he's like, actually, I do know something about the murder. I'm like, okay, those tears are fake. But that smirk was 100% real. Well.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And the cop that's been interrogating him for the last six hours and totally believed him was like, yeah, I was totally duped by this guy.

[Patrick Hines]

So let's go back to 2008, two years before the murder. We're at Northwestern University, and we meet Becky.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah. Becky worked for Jeff. Jeff was a project manager. And she was like, honestly? And she describes him as, like, exactly what you would think. This guy's got Bundy vibes for dates. Like, thought he could outmaneuver everybody out, think everybody out, strategize anybody in the room.

[Patrick Hines]

Jeff was a little bit feared as a boss. Had a little bit of a temper. He had a certain way he wanted things done. Jeff wouldn't accept any reports that were not done in 14 point Garamond font. If he was having a bad day, if something had not gone his way, way, you could hear really loud metal music coming out of his office. So you knew not to approach.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

That's crazy.

[Patrick Hines]

Also, they're doing, like, project management for some bullshit. Like, all the reports need to be in 14 point Garamond font. I will say this 1 million times. It's never that fucking serious. No, you're a project marketing. Whatever you're doing, it's never that serious. Unless you're working in the ER and saving lives. Whatever you're doing at work is not that serious. It's so craz.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

He also spent the entire time they worked together speaking in a British accent,

[Patrick Hines]

but would also say things like, top of the morning to you. That's Irish, you dumb bitch. Like, what a loser.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

I know.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Even Becky, like, was like, are you from, like, the uk Is like, no. I just think that people pay better attention to me if I have an accent. No, it's insane.

[Patrick Hines]

It's a British accent. But top of the morning to you.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know. And at the very least, have a back. Give yourself a character study. Like, have a backstory to justify the accent. You're just going to, like, acknowledge to Becky in a British accent that you've never lived in England.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, it gets worse because he's a liar and totally fine with stealing shit. Becky says she, quote, locked her laptop to her desk. That's too corporate for me. I don't get it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Make that make sense. Like, like the. Her laptop was chained to her desk by accident, I guess.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't know. I mean, maybe if it's like a shared work laptop. Remember when we learned that you need to, like, swipe a key to print something or whatever or make a copy? I remember everyone came for me because I was like, I don't know. Why is that possible? And they were like, well, you're. It's wasteful if you. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I come from the era of, like, when you had a roommate in college, you each had like a 12 digit code. You had to dial to dial out so that you would individually get charged for the call.

[Patrick Hines]

You guys.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I know. I'm like, 525,600 minutes. I know, but I guess my roommates, like long distance.

[Patrick Hines]

No, that's true.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

But I guess, yeah, it's like. I guess it's like a shared company computer. So she just left it and there was a mishap and somehow her computer.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

We're focusing on the wrong details. But it was weird to me, too. I was like, what?

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

So he gets her in the car, drives her like 900 miles an hour to a Home Depot to buy bolt cutters.

[Patrick Hines]

He's like, oh, my God, I used to steal bikes back in the day. I told I haven't used bolt cutters in a minute, girl. Bringing back memories. And she's like, what?

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

What do you think they were listening to in the car?

[Patrick Hines]

Hopefully not Fetch the Bolt Cutters by Fiona goddamn Apple, inspired by Gillian Anderson. Are you k. Kidding? No.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You know, it was like, Kylie. You know what I mean?

[Patrick Hines]

I know because that album came out like, three years ago.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

So now I'm time traveling.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I'm just saying it was very loud. Kylie and Becky, or whatever her name was, was not into it.

[Patrick Hines]

And she's like, wait, are you telling me that I. Because he's like, oh, you should totally, like, lie on your report and get this expense. Like, we shouldn't admit that we did this. And she's like, wait, you're telling me to lie? And he's like, I didn't say that.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I'm just like, I'm gonna go to my. I'm gonna go put on Rage against the Machine. Don't talk to me.

[Patrick Hines]

Which is like, fine, but. So this guy's a dick and a liar and aggressive and weird and just like, yeah, not cool in any way. Like a total loser, but also, like, just an odd, aggressive guy that no one wants to be around.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Everybody cover your drinks 100%. So 2008 is when Jeff buys the house on Fourth street and, like, we're told he wanted to restore it to its original state and turn it into a bed and breakfast, which I was also like, is it zoned for that? Like, can you imagine? Like, you buy one of those other gorgeous Victorian houses, sudden there's, like, fudgeing, like, super shuttle showing up across the street.

[Patrick Hines]

I don't think the neighborhood would be thrilled about that. I don't think. I don't know if. I don't think they should be.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Your beautiful neighborhood, like, any of those houses would make gorgeous bed and breakfast doesn't mean, like, your neighbor should have to deal with.

[Patrick Hines]

Right. If It's a historical 150-year-old house.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Right.

[Patrick Hines]

Like, would that be cool? Sure. But I don't know if these people who are very like, this is our town. Don't fuck with it. I don't know how thrilled they would be also. I don't think he actually wants to do that.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

He's lying. Well, but also the other thing is, like. And this is like, what makes me sad about this is that maybe he actually, actually did, but he was just like, he was so far gone into his drug addiction at that point that it was just absolutely never going to happen.

[Patrick Hines]

Well, he had a ton of money because everyone is telling us that he would, like, throw his money around. He was driving a BMW, drinking craft beers. As someone says, he wore uninspired $300 shoes just for the sake of Curtis.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Curtis loved throwing that out there. Yeah, just like, uninspired. That's so rude.

[Patrick Hines]

Yeah, uninspired.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I was, truly. But, like, what a. What a descriptor.

[Patrick Hines]

Money can't buy a class. Am I right? But that's really what he's saying. Like, he just wants to buy the $300 shoes for the sake of them, but, like, they're u and they don't go with anything, and you look like an idiot.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Totally.

[Patrick Hines]

So now we're back with the police interrogations, and preppy Jeff just said he knows about the murder after crying and acting like he didn't know there was a body in his own basement.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah. So this is where the cops, like, put a piece of legal paper in front of Jeff. If you see Willy Wonka, this is your golden ticket. This is your golden ticket. They're doing it for the cameras. They're doing it for the first 48 cameras, like, they're doing, like, what they think is, like, police shit, you know?

[Patrick Hines]

So Joe Preppy Jeff and Mohawk Joey have very similar stories, except they're totally blaming each other.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Jeffrey wanted to get some drugs, so he invited Jamie over to the house.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Joey wanted to party to do drugs.

[Patrick Hines]

It's not something I would typically do.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

Before I knew it, Jeffrey stabbed Jamie. Joey had a knife in his hand and cut the guy's throat. I was scared for my. Myself, scared for my family.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

I was so scared for my life. Me and my family. My damn cats.

[Documentary Subjects / Interviewees]

I'm not the one who killed anybody.

[Patrick Hines]

I'm not a murderer. And Jeff says that Joey cut Jamie's throat. Joey says Jeff did it, but this is a very brutal murder.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Once again, Jeff says he was scared

[Patrick Hines]

for the cats, right? Which, like, yeah, that is a terrifying, traumatic, 100% thing. And now they're like. They're in that house. Like, energy is so real. So now they're like, what? They don't know. Animals don't understand what's going on. They just know that it's, like, trauma and horrifying.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Well, because, like, if we haven't driven the point home, and I'm not trying to be funny, like, there was so much meth happening.

[Patrick Hines]

They were just so high all the time. And, like, it was not fun or cool or what. It was just really aggressive and dangerous. And then Jamie Carroll gets involved, and now he's murdered. And these two assholes are lying about each other to the cops.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

And the cops charged them both. They're both charged with robbery, murder, tampering with physical evidence. Joey is charged with unlawful imprisonment. So I, like, they are believing Jeff's story more, right? Because they, like. But in charging only Joey with unlawful imprisonment, they're saying, like, you're the one who kept him there.

[Patrick Hines]

So we're back with the townspeople real quick, and this woman is sitting in this very beautiful setting, and she's like, look, everyone knew about it. Hey, Dana. Hey, girl. Yeah. No, everybody knew about it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah, like. And. Okay, that feels like a good place to start. Let's stop. Episode one.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Oh, my God, girl. We did murdering Glitter ball city, which is not what that sound was ever actually called. Apparently.

[Patrick Hines]

Apparently David just made it up for the sake of the book, which is okay, but you gotta own it.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

You gotta own it, girl. This is wild. Episode 2. This is the first time we've ever done this. We're making an episode two where never there was one, right?

[Patrick Hines]

Because these are two very long.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

Episodes. And we're just splitting it up into three for our lovely Patreon peeps.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

All right, family, we love you so much. Thank you. And we'll, like. We're gonna keep going, but we'll see you next week.

[Patrick Hines]

Yes, we will see you next week, but we're gonna sit our asses right here.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Yeah.

[Patrick Hines]

And keep this train going.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

All right, we love you.

[Patrick Hines]

We love you.

[Co-host (possibly a close friend or colleague of Patrick Hines)]

Bye.

[Patrick Hines]

Bye.