Revisiting The Living Corpse: The Man Who Made a Career Being Buried Alive

Summary

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True Weird Stuff: Revisiting The Living Corpse — The Man Who Made a Career Being Buried Alive

Podcast: True Weird Stuff
Host(s): Sheri Lynch, Max Sweeten
Date: May 22, 2026
Episode Theme:
A deep-dive into the life and legend of Charles “Country Bill” White, America’s most famous “burial artist,” examining the bizarre history and psychology behind voluntary live burials, fame by morbidity, and America’s unique love for the spectacular and strange. This episode looks at the origins of fears of premature burial, the peculiar career of Country Bill, and the distinctly American context that made his story possible.

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Main Theme Overview

The episode explores the strange but true phenomenon of "burial artists"—performers who made a living by being voluntarily buried alive for weeks or months as stunts, culminating in the story of Country Bill White. His carnivalesque career, string of marriages, odd love stories, and relentless pursuit of world records for being buried alive are recounted with a blend of humor, horror, and fascination. The story is framed as quintessentially American: an entrepreneurial, showbiz undertaking that could happen “nowhere else.” Along the way, hosts Sheri Lynch and Max Sweeten discuss taphophobia (fear of being buried alive), the checkered medical/scientific history of declaring death, and the broader context of American spectacle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. The Roots of Taphophobia and Premature Burial (03:50–14:57)

• Fear of being buried alive (taphophobia): Historically well-founded, especially before advancements in mortuary science.
• Early 20th-century horror: In 1908, Massachusetts lawmakers investigated claims that thousands were buried alive annually—claims supported by anecdotes of exhumed graves showing signs of struggle.
  • Quote: “Every time the bodies in an old graveyard are moved, evidences are found that persons were buried alive. Hands are found upraised, fingers clenched in the hair...” —Narrator/Researcher (05:58)
• Medical failures: Catalepsy and comas sometimes led to mistaken death, as with George Hayward of Missouri, who recounts his terrifying but oddly peaceful experience being accidentally buried alive.
  • Quote: “The time for the funeral arrived and the service was preached over my living but rigid body... The coffin was shoved into the wagon and the trundling... sounded in my ears.” —George Hayward (09:27)
• Safeguards invented: Graveyard bells, buttons, spring-loaded coffins, and other odd inventions aimed to prevent or mitigate living burials.
• Modernity: Only in the 20th century did official, physician-signed death certificates become standard in the US.

II. America’s Burial Artist Subculture (14:57–18:53)

• From horror to showbiz: Capitalizing on mortal fears, publicity stunts involving live burials become a carnival staple, especially from the 1960s onwards.
• Digger Odell: The grandfather of the trade, whose 78-day underground protest (1968) inspired Country Bill to try.

III. The Rise of Country Bill White (18:53–24:52)

• Bill’s origins: Born 1934, Florida Panhandle, fearless after a childhood blast injury.
• Stunt origins: Inspired by Odell in 1964, Country Bill makes his first attempt in Galveston, Texas, exceeding all expectations by remaining underground for 49 days.
• Homegrown tech: Bill’s custom boxes include viewing windows and telephones so spectators can see and chat with him.

IV. Showbiz, Romance, and Record-Setting (24:52–36:22)

• Entertainment juggernaut: Bill’s live burial stunts become mainstays at car dealerships, drive-ins, bars, and even strip clubs—a draw for crowds and local media.
• Musical detours: Bill releases original songs like “The Living Corpse” (22:04) and even has musical guests drop microphones into his grave for duets (20:32).
  • Quote: “We made up a song to the tune of Jailhouse Rock. Only we called it Graveyard Rock.” —Country Bill (20:32)
• Celebrity and love: Meets secretary Lottie Howard via phone while underground; proposes without even surfacing. Their wedding is partially underground, with Lottie’s hand reaching up through her coffin for the ring (32:47–34:12).
  • Quote: “Lottie stuck her hand up through a slot in her coffin and Bill crouched low, reaching down to slide a wedding ring onto her finger.” —Sheri (32:47)
• Notable Records: 56 days (Largo, FL); 62+ days (Austin, TX); 134 days (Massachusetts, 1978); 140 days (Colleen, TX, 1981).

V. Competition, Mishaps, and Fame’s Toll (36:22–44:38)

• Marital strife: The stunt lifestyle strains marriages; Lottie tries her own burial stunt, decides it isn’t for her, and ultimately divorces Bill—serving papers through his ventilation pipe (36:34–36:53).
• Chasing records: Bill faces new competitors, including topless dancers and other publicity seekers. Occasional cave-ins, flooding, and even sabotage (fire extinguisher down his air tube) underscore the danger.
• Physical/emotional toll: Stints include hurricanes, bugs, snakes, and enforced spartan living—even as Bill gives interviews and radio performances from his “office” six feet under.

VI. The Americanism of It All (50:26–69:09)

• The mythology: Sheri and Max emphasize how Bill’s story could only be American, weaving in themes of showmanship, capitalism, entrepreneurial grit, relentless optimism, and creative self-invention.
  • Quote: “This story couldn't take place anywhere else on earth but in the United States of America at that time.” —Sheri (50:26)
• Business and spectacle: The use of Bill’s stunts for promotions—by car lots, mobile home dealers, bars—epitomizes the blending of commerce and carnival unique to midcentury US life.
• Romance, grit, and spectacle: His chain of wives and the peculiar allure of a man known for being unreachable (literally) underground.

VII. Logistics and Realities of Living Underground (58:19–61:43)

• Ventilation and hygiene: Improvised methods for waste, isometric exercises, sponge baths described; “trade secrets” for bathroom solutions suggested.
• Dangers: Flooding, sabotage, animal intrusions, and the physical/psychological effects of claustrophobia.
• Endurance: The relentless barrage of visitor calls (sometimes every seven seconds), night and day, from across the globe.

VIII. Decline of the Burial Artist & Bill’s Legacy (69:09–74:51)

• No true successors: After Bill, the culture of burial artists fades. The dangerous nature of the feat leads Guinness to ban the category.
• Comparison to magicians: Unlike modern illusionists (e.g., David Blaine), Bill’s feats were “real”—just man, box, and dirt.
• Bill’s death: Died December 21, 2006—exactly 14 years after his record-setting burial in Killeen, TX. Left behind another wife, Annie Lou.

IX. Human Fear, Acceptance, and Resilience (76:02–84:23)

• Psychological limits: Discussion of whether contemporary people could manage such stunts; hosts express horror and admiration for Bill’s seemingly fearless nature.
• Accidental burials: Revisiting the haunting stories of Hayward and Rufina Cambaceres, whose awareness while buried add a layer of existential terror to the tale.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I stayed down, 49 days.” —Country Bill, describing his first record (19:02)
• “Buried in the Hole, about six feet down, sucking on a beer, way under this ground.” —Country Bill, about his and Larry Butler’s “Graveyard Rock” (20:32)
• On weddings: “Lottie stuck her hand up through a slot in her coffin and Bill crouched low, reaching down to slide a wedding ring onto her finger.” —Sheri (32:47)
• “It's hamburgers when I'm above ground. I hate them, but I crave them when I'm in the box.” —Country Bill (27:11)
• “This is the sort of thing that if we taught a story like this in school, this would fill people with patriotism... To be an American is to be born in a land where crazy shit is possible.” —Sheri (66:53)
• “I've been crazy as hell all my life, and I'm gonna stick. Stay that way.” —Country Bill (45:09)
• “Doesn't matter to me so long as they put a phone in the box.” —Country Bill, on his own funeral wishes (46:58)
• “Girl, I think you’re making that up.” —Sheri, reflecting on the surreal nature of Bill’s exploits (66:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction and Context Setting: 00:00–03:50
• Premature Burial Horrors & Historical Safeguards: 03:50–14:57
• Origins of Burial Artists & Bill White’s Beginnings: 14:57–19:02
• First Stunts, Big Records, and Start of Love Story: 19:02–32:47
• Legendary Marriages and Record-Breaking Stunts: 32:47–36:22
• Divorce, Competition, and Fame: 36:22–44:38
• Bill’s Final Acts and Legacy: 44:38–46:58
• American Lens Analysis: 50:26–69:09
• Practical Realities and Grit: 58:19–61:43
• Discussion of Claustrophobia and Accidental Burials: 76:02–84:23

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Language/Tone: The episode is rich, sardonic, and imbued with awe at both the weirdness and determination of Country Bill White—“Both American as apple pie and as strange as the grave he crawled out of.”
• Themes: Endurance, romantic comedy (with a Gothic twist), Americana, showbiz showmen, the blend of entrepreneurship and risk, historic medical mishaps, and the uniquely American capacity for outrageous self-promotion.
• Legacy: Bill White spent an estimated 2.5 years of his life underground; his career stands as a testament to American weirdness and entrepreneurial zeal.

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For Those Who Haven't Listened

This episode delivers far more than a tale of “the man who was buried alive”; it unpacks deep cultural, historical, and psychological issues surrounding death, spectacle, and American identity. Bill White’s adventures veer from harrowing to hilarious, punctuated by small love stories, wild schemes, and existential musings. The hosts’ chemistry and wit make this an engaging listen even for the gore-averse.

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Highly recommended for fans of:

• True weird Americana
• Odd historical phenomena
• Human endurance/love stories
• Dark, funny conversational podcasts

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Transcript

[Sheri Mex]

Hey, it's Sheri Mex here. Tweedos thanking you again for listening to this podcast. We are dropping into the feed today an episode called the Living Corpse. This episode recently won a handful of Communicator gold Communicator awards for the subject matter and the writing and history podcast. And this is the story of Country Bill White. So Country Bill White is a clay classic American flim flam kind of guy. His real official job title was burial artist. But here was Country Bill's deal. He would persuade drive in movie theaters and car dealerships and trailer parks to bury him alive as a publicity stunt. And they did. And he was a lady Max, was he not a.

[Max Sweeten]

He was a ladies man. So he'd be buried alive, he'd have a telephone and he'd be romancing the ladies on the phone as he's buried alive.

[Sheri Mex]

I mean, it's hard to get a boyfriend and all, but there were women lining up to date the Living Corpse. Only in America, a country where if you've got a big enough dream and a fast enough smooth pattern, you too can become a famous burial artist. So settle back and please enjoy this gold Communicator award winning episode of True Weird Stuff. The Living Corpse. There's a fancy word for it, taphophobia. The fear of being buried alive. It does happen, though not so often in these days of modern mortuary science. People are mostly good and dead and thoroughly pickled by embalming chemicals before we send them off to their eternal rest. Now, if you hear a story about a person being buried alive and it's usually not a mistake made by an undertaker, it's a crime like this one in Washington state, November 2022. The court will order that the defendant

[Narrator/Researcher]

be held no bail.

[Judge/Legal Official]

53 year old Chae Ahn will remain behind bars awaiting charges of attempted murder, kidnapping and felony harassment. His wife asking for this message to be shared in front of a judge.

[Sheri Mex]

These are her words.

[Country Bill White]

Please, no bail.

[Sheri Mex]

I am really afraid for my life. I just want to emphasize that I fear him so much and he will

[Country Bill White]

kill me again if he is out.

[Judge/Legal Official]

It was this past weekend. Probable cause documents allege an kidnapped his wife and threatened to kill her. Their daughter told police the two were going through a divorce and an would come by their home in Lacey to do laundry. Security camera footage shared by a neighbor shows a man who authorities say was identified as an pulling a minivan into the garage. The van is later seen speeding out of the neighborhood. Those probable cause documents allege an attacked his wife, tying her up with duct tape. He then drove her into the woods not far from their home, dug a hole, and placed her in the ground. The documents say Che told her she was going to die. She was so scared. However, before she was buried, she seized an opportunity to escape, wiggling out of that duct tape, climbing out of the hole and running for her life. Chae an was arrested a few hours later.

[Sheri Mex]

The terror, the darkness, the knowledge that your air is running out, that no one will hear your screams, that you'll die like this, gasping to breathe, your fingers shredded, raw and bleeding from all that useless, hopeless clawing to escape. Buried alive. It's a nightmare right out of a horror movie, unless you know it's your job.

[Singer/Musician]

And they got a small beam of light.

[Max Sweeten]

True, weird, stupid of.

[Sheri Mex]

Buried alive. Back in the day, it happened often enough that in 1908, the state of Massachusetts proposed a law to prevent premature burial. Don't you love that phrasing?

[Narrator/Researcher]

10 persons are buried alive in the United States each day in the year. Each year, 3,500 persons in this country are buried alive.

[Sheri Mex]

There were lawmakers in Massachusetts who didn't believe a single word of this and couldn't see the point of enacting a law to prevent it. So they appointed a committee to investigate. And I'll be damned if they didn't arrive at the insane conclusion that, yes, thousands of people in America were being accidentally buried alive.

[Narrator/Researcher]

The committee said nothing about the number of persons who are killed annually in this country by unskillful embalmers who cut open the arteries of living persons supposed to be dead and inject a poisonous fluid into the arteries. There is no way of knowing how many of these are killed each year, but that number is large. No competent embalmer will deny.

[Sheri Mex]

Okay, first of all, what? Second, how about those good old days, you nostalgia freaks? Stand by for a future episode called the Inept Embalmer. Anyway, the Massachusetts committee compiled this information from multiple sources, including undertakers who had exhumed bodies and people who had been declared dead and rushed into their graves only to regain consciousness.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Every time the bodies in an old graveyard are moved, evidences are found that persons were buried alive. Hands are found upraised, fingers clenched in the hair, and in many instances, the hair has been torn out by the handful.

[Sheri Mex]

Can't be, you say. Urban legend. No way. That's true. Okay, that's fair. A healthy amount of skepticism can be a good thing when you're confronted with a seemingly wild tale. But maybe you need to hear it from someone who's been there. In this case, a jeweler from Missouri named George Hayward. George Hayward was accidentally struck in the head with a pitchfork and one of the pointed steel tines penetrated his skull. The man promptly fell over dead, or so it was thought. His body was immediately delivered to the local undertaker to be prepared for burial.

[George Hayward]

Well known faces would peer down at me as I lay with my eyes half closed. Their tears rained down on my face as the burial shroud was wrapped around my body. Try as I would, nothing could break the spell which bound me. Every word spoken was distinct to my mind. And as soon as the undertaker arrived, I knew I was about to be buried alive.

[Sheri Mex]

What sort of medical condition can cause a person to seem dead while remaining completely aware? Catalepsy might be the answer. It's a neurological condition and George Hayward had just suffered a traumatic brain injury. Hayward's rigid limbs, his inability to move or speak, the slowing of his bodily functions including breathing, all added up to make a strong case for catalepsy. One famous case of a person with catalepsy being buried Alive is a 19 year old cattle heiress from Argentina named Rufina Cambaceres. It was her birthday, May 31, 1902, and Rufina suddenly collapsed. She was declared dead and her grieving family gathered to lay her to rest in the family mausoleum at La Recoleta Cemetery in Buenos Aires. Rufina was interred late that night. The cemetery caretaker was alarmed to hear noises coming from inside the Combaceras family care crypt. As fearful of ghosts and grave robbers as the man was, he was even more afraid of losing his job. So he unlocked the mausoleum door. To his horror, he saw that Raina's coffin had been moved. Had robbers desecrated the tragic young woman's corpse? He carefully opened the lid of the coffin. The inside was gouged with deep scratches and so was Rufina's face. Rufina Combiceras had been buried alive. Whatever caused Rufina's catalepsy was never discovered. And here, just six years later, poor George Hayward is trapped in his body, unable to speak or move as his loved ones grieve his passing.

[George Hayward]

The time for the funeral arrived and and the service was preached over my living but rigid body. The undertaker approached and the lid of my prison house was fastened down. The coffin was shoved into the wagon and the trundling of the vehicle sounded in my ears.

[Sheri Mex]

Imagine that. Imagine the stifling darkness of the coffin, the rattling and and jostling of the wagon, the knowledge that your next stop is the grave and you are utterly helpless, powerless to stop it.

[George Hayward]

I soon heard the clods of earth falling heavily on the lid of the casket. There I was, being in tune to live, unable to speak or to stay the hands of my friends. Suddenly, the shoveling ceased and the silence of the tomb was complete.

[Sheri Mex]

Weirdly enough, George Hayward didn't panic. He said that he just didn't feel the fear he thought a person would have under the circumstances. What could he do but just lie there in his grave, waiting to die for real? But what George Hayward didn't know was that a fierce dispute was being waged in his honor, six feet above. It was regarding the cause of death. The doctor disagreed so vehemently with the undertaker that the two men ultimately hatched a plan. They'd wait till dark, and then they dig up Hayward's grave and examine the body in hopes of. Of coming to an agreement about the cause of death.

[George Hayward]

It seemed a long time. And then I heard again the scraping of a shovel on my coffin lid. I felt myself raised and borne away. I felt the light as it struck my closed eyelids. And then I heard someone say, look out, you fool.

[Sheri Mex]

He is alive.

[George Hayward]

In a few moments, I was fully alive and awake. I owe my life to the doctor's dispute about what caused my death.

[Sheri Mex]

And just like that, the catalepsy that had frozen George Hayward in a living death released its grip. The jeweler was shaken, but alive and above ground.

[Historian/Expert]

To be buried alive is beyond doubt the most fearful fate that can possibly befall a human being. The very mention of it is enough to make the blood run cold and the heart beat more softly in dread anticipation.

[Sheri Mex]

The fear and risk of being buried alive was so real that inventors stepped in with a few ideas. To help the premature corpse get out of the ground. One proposed a button be installed in the coffin directly over the chest of the deceased. One press of that button would ring an alarm bell in the cemetery office. Another inventor suggested rigging the coffin with springs so that even the slightest movement indicating life would cause the lid of the coffin to fly open. And then there was the famous graveyard bell, invented by Dr. Johann Gottfried. A string was tied to the hands, head and feet of the corpse and ran from the coffin to a bell mounted to a tubular rod installed above ground. A housing was attached to the bell, both to prevent false alarms and to protect the coffin from rainwater running down the tube and soaking the remains. A cemetery night watchman who heard a bell chiming from a grave site was instructed to immediately rush over with a bellows to Pump air into the coffin until the poor, prematurely buried individual could be dug up. The horror. Because there were false alarms. Movement of the corpse causing the bells to ring. What movement? Oh, you do not want to go there. Trust me. Let's just leave it at natural processes of decomposition and never, ever, ever speak of it again. Okay? The medical establishment had other ideas beyond bells and springs. Like slicing open an artery to make sure the person was deceased. Or plunging a needle straight into the heart. That sort of thing. Maybe require a physician to sign off on the death certificate. Believe it or not, that wasn't even a thing until the 1930s, when all US states were required to report birth and death registrations to the Division of Vital Statistics in the Census Bureau. Prior to that, it seemed figuring out who was actually dead but versus those who just appeared to be dead was a little bit of a crapshoot.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Cremation solves the matter, but does it in a rather unsatisfactory fashion. While it presents no way of determining whether the subject about to be cremated is alive or not, it precludes the possibility of his ever returning to life. The temperature in the furnace ranges from 50, 1500 to 2000 degrees. Creating an atmosphere the slightest inhalation of which would, even in a healthy being, cause instant death.

[Sheri Mex]

You think? If being buried alive is your worst fear, where do you stand on being burned alive? This is America, though, and that means you can count on one. One thing for sure. No matter how horrible or crazy any given thing is. There's always somebody out there figuring out how to make money from it. Enter Charles William White, who builds himself as the Living Corpse. Bill to his friends coming to the

[Announcer]

Twin two Drive In Theater in Fort Worth, Texas. See Bill White, the Living Corpse, brought in by Brumley and Oak Collins Funeral Home. Ambulance placed in a coffin and prematurely buried alive under six feet of dirt at 8:15.

[Sheri Mex]

Now that's entertainment.

[Announcer]

He is a man who can cheat death and his brain won't die. You can talk to and see him through a scope for one week plus on our screen. Five horror hits, including Werewolf in a Girl's Daughter dormitory.

[Singer]

In my report from the coroner, he said the girl was assaulted by wolves and she died as a result of the injuries inflicted.

[Sheri Mex]

But she could have had a meeting

[Singer]

with a man a little before her death. I don't believe it could have been the wolves. A girl who wanders out at night into the forest. And professor, she was alone, mind you. Not to mention the probable rendezvous with someone. Could very easily have been attacked by wolves.

[Sheri Mex]

Poor Girl White, aka Country Bill, was inspired by a chance meeting in 1964 with Herbert Digger Odell. Digger Odell was a burial artist. When he wasn't having himself voluntarily entombed, he ran a combination gas station, market and gift shop in Phoenix city, Alabama. In September 1968, at age 54, he set what he insisted was a new record for being buried alive. 78 days, 20 minutes and 10 seconds. The previous record was held by a 60 year old bartender from San Jose named Mike Shannon. Shannon had snatched the record from West Virginia's Patricia Hayd, a 38 year old divorce who'd put herself six feet under just to prove that a woman could.

[Historian/Expert]

Digger passed the time underground by conversing with callers on the phone installed in the box and by chatting with visitors through an air vent. He had one meal per day sent to him through the vent. The box was equipped with a chemical toilet.

[Sheri Mex]

The box was buried seven feet underground at a mobile home sales lot on the Phoenix City bypass. When it came time to dig Digger back up, a half a dozen off duty soldiers from nearby Fort Benning volunteered for the job. Digger swore that this was the last time he intended to be buried alive, that he'd done it to protest the Vietnam War, the first and only time he'd performed the stunt for any reason other than advertising his business. And with Digger o' Dell bowing out, Bill White saw his opportunity. He, he would take Digger's place as America's most famous burial artist.

[Country Bill White]

It was in 1964 when I met Digger Odell. He's a sort of grandfather of this sort of thing. He was buried at a car dealership in Columbus, Georgia, and I was coming through on a Greyhound and had a three hour layover. I walked on down from the bus station to the dealership and talked to him and I said, how big is that place down there? And he said, it's four by four by eight. And I said, hell, I got enough room down there to raise a family.

[Sheri Mex]

It all began as well, almost a joke. White just wondered whether or not he could even tolerate being buried alive.

[Country Bill White]

He Digger told me if I thought the box was so big and comfortable, I should try it myself. So I did. And on the very first try at it, I stayed down no longer than him, 49 days. I stayed down.

[Sheri Mex]

All it took was breaking that record. Country Bill was hooked. His burial box was made of plywood measuring 3 foot by 3 foot by 6 foot. The standard casket you can buy today is a foot longer, but half a foot less wide and more than Half a foot less deep. Still, Country Bill's box had to feel every bit as tight and confining. He made a few modifications to his custom coffin. Ventilation tubes, of course, and a clear plastic window through which spectators could look down and see his face. And they could talk to him, too, via a wired telephone setup that ran a line down into the box.

[Announcer]

Tonight at the King Cine movie theater in Houston, it's a double horror show. Lon Chaney in Witchcraft. Baboon stars in the horror of it all. And Bill White, the living corpse, has been buried alive for 18 days. How much longer can he stay down? Come out and visit him or call him. And at re 33660.

[Sheri Mex]

Then a crazy thing happened.

[Country Bill White]

One time I was buried in Houston. Larry Butler and his band came by. Back then, of course, it was Larry Butler and the Sunset Playboys. They just finished doing the show with Loretta Lynn and they decided they wanted to sing with me. So Larry came down to car dealership where I was buried and dropped down a microphone to me and we went to it. We made up a song to the tune of Jailhouse Rock. Only we called it Graveyard Rock. It was something like Buried in the Hole, about six feet down, sucking on a beer Way under this ground.

[Sheri Mex]

And so began Country Bill Whites musical career.

[Singer]

Oh, hey everybody Leave my gal alone Keep out of my way if you don't want broken I'd give you the shirt right off my back but she's my baby Stay out of my track Go Heather, Buddy, leave my gallon alone

[Sheri Mex]

I'm telling you A musical career that would end up being overshadowed by his Buried Alone live performances. An entrepreneur that Country Bill was, he leaned right on into his newfound literal underground fame. Here's a taste of his original song, the Living corpse, released in 1969.

[Singer/Musician]

Earn my living in a curious way People come from miles look me over Living down under Living in a hole in the ground People call me Some are happy some are lonely Feeling here There's woe and a care in the world up there I may be better off down here I'm a hidden shopping center hold next and I never really alone they keep looking down the peephole at the living corpse in his box with a pedal phone People call me Some are happy some are long live here we hear there's a woman Killing the world up there I made that hog down here I set records for spending

[Sheri Mex]

Bill White was born in 1934 in the Florida Panhandle. His father worked as a laborer with the WPA. That's the Works Progress Administration, created in 1935 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to employ Americans during the Great Depression. They say that it was an accident in Bill White's childhood that robbed him of his fear of death. It's not clear if the accident happened on a WP PA job site, but a blasting cat that the boy was holding exploded in his hands. The nine year old Bill White had to endure multiple surgeries to save his eyesight. After that, the kid lived like he might be. Immortal, fearless. He coaxed tourists into paying him to wrestle alligators. He learned how to ride a motorcycle and became a trick rider. He did wing walking stunts on biplanes and perform trick parachute jumps. When there wasn't an audience handy or a pack of sun stunned vacationers with cash to burn. White ran moonshine to make his living. And his big break in the buried alive business came in Galveston, Texas in June 1964.

[Narrator/Researcher]

The slender young man from Clearwater, Florida will be buried between 10am and and 12 noon in a 5 foot 8 inch wooden box inside the Pete the Talking Porpoise Pavilion next to Christy's Beachcomber Restaurant.

[Country Bill White]

I won't come up for any reason other than my health. If anyone believes I come out at night and sees me, he can collect a five hundred dollar reward. When I come up, it will be

[Sheri Mex]

to stay at 5:11. Bill White was taller than the box was long. Cramps, he said, were his only medical concern.

[Country Bill White]

If they get so bad I can't stand it, then I'll have to come up. Remember, I can't stretch out to my full length.

[Sheri Mex]

The box was equipped with air tubes, telephone line, a microphone and a couple of blankets. A large glass plate was fitted into the lid. Curious spectators could peer down the hole and see Bill White for themselves. You might not think it possible to stay busy buried in a tight box next to a trained porpoise tank. But you'd be surprised at all that Bill White accomplished.

[Narrator/Researcher]

He has a phone in his box and receives calls from many cities. A lady in Pittsburgh called to congratulate him on his plan to break the 60 day record for being buried. She said it is the American way to break records. Kids by the hundreds call him daily and on Friday he sent 30 get well cards to ailing children at John Seeley Hospital.

[Country Bill White]

With people calling you from all over, you don't get much chance to sleep.

[Sheri Mex]

White traded his beloved Florida for Texas and by 1966 had booked burial gigs all over the state. State businesses caught on fast that having the living corpse at your grand opening all but guaranteed crowds, car dealerships and country music bars and strip clubs hired him. He had the Drive in movie market

[Announcer]

all but cornered Saturday and Sunday between 9am and 5pm See Bill White the Living Corpse Buried Alive in person. Special daytime adventure admission just 50 cents a car. Refreshments stand open all day just for you. So come on out to Bordertown in the daytime.

[Sheri Mex]

By now, he'd learned a thing or two about being buried alive. He had a new coffin, 6ft long to accommodate his height, 32 inches wide and 32 inches deep. He even worked out a way to exercise while underground.

[Country Bill White]

I do isometrics.

[Sheri Mex]

It was rumored that the Living Corpse worked with a physician to come up with a special diet for the ordeal. But as Bill White told the Orlando Sentinel, nah, no fancy food regimen needed.

[Country Bill White]

It's hamburgers when I'm above ground. I hate them, but I crave them when I'm in the box. Hamburgers with. With onions and ketchup. You know what I'm saying?

[Sheri Mex]

Glamorous as it sounds to be buried alive in a plywood box at a strip club in suburban Houston, it wasn't all adoring fans and local glory. Weather could be a real challenge.

[Country Bill White]

You know, once I was in a hurricane while I was underground, it was somewhere in Texas. I basically got washed out of the ground. Water started leaving, sneaking in, and they had to haul me out of there. At first, when I was really new to the business, I had a few cave ins, but I worked out all those problems with experience.

[Sheri Mex]

There were bugs. You guessed that right. Snakes, too. Sometimes mice burrowing into the box alongside Country Bill White. He told a fan that he usually fended them off with a can of spray deodorant. And if you're breaking into a sweat right now at the mere thought of being entombed at a Texas Chevy dealership with only a can of Right Guard as protection from snakes and scorpions. Congratulations. That's proof you're not out of your mind. Because who other than Country Bill White could ever be cool with that? Let's don't linger on all that creepy, crawly nastiness. Because the story of Country Bill White, the Living Corpse is also a love story, one that began in February 1966 at a legendary live music venue in Fort Worth called Panther Hall. White's goal was to break his own record and remain underground for at least 50 days.

[Country Bill White]

The first couple days are the hardest because it's the dirt settles over the coffin. The coffin creaks and pops and makes you nervous.

[Historian/Expert]

They buried Bill White again, and he sure did look natural. You can phone at his hole in the ground. The number is Jefferson 69221. But be forewarned, he answers by saying, the Living Corpse.

[Country Bill White]

With whom do I have the pleasure of. Of speaking?

[Sheri Mex]

That phone rang day and night. White said that the average interval between calls might be about seven seconds.

[Country Bill White]

I'm on the phone the whole time. They put out my number all over the world so people can call me. I usually got five rotary phones going. And I get calls from Guam and Scotland, Northern Ireland, Italy. I had some pretty wild conversations. You'd be surprised what people will say talking on the phone to a stranger who's buried six feet under.

[Sheri Mex]

One of those callers was a woman named Lottie Howard. At first, she called only during the day. And White found himself looking forward to the sound of her voice. Soon the two began chatting.

[Country Bill White]

Every night, more and more keenly. I anticipated her phone calls, and though I couldn't see her, I soon knew I was in love and in luck.

[Sheri Mex]

Because Lottie Howard felt just the same way about the living corpse. White didn't even wait to be dug up before he popped the question. White had already been married twice, and when you know, you know. Lottie, who was employed as a secretary, said yes. And Bill White, so smitten with his new fiance, couldn't bear to wait. He cut his own stunt short and emerged from the ground at Panther hall after just three weeks and three days in the box. Love will do that to a man, Even one committed to breaking his own record for being buried alive. But his good fortune in finding Lottie only got better when she declared her enthusiasm for becoming Mrs. Living Corpse. As in setting up a nice little coffin of her very own. The couple planned to marry in May 1966, but work hassles got in the way. White had been rained out of his tomb in Waco in late April and booked another gig in El Paso. His host there, the Border Town Drive in, arranged to deliver him to his temporary tomb via ambulance. They lined up a slate of five horror movies featuring werewolves, zombies and fiends. And in a fun twist, they scheduled two dances for teenagers. With Country Bill White playing the tunes.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Rock and roll records controlled by Mr. White.

[Sheri Mex]

From the grave, Cupid drew his little bo zing.

[Singer]

Oh, what a hit I feel like a stick of dust dynamite after the fuse is lit hey there, buddy, leave my g I'm easy going but that's the dangers of you can take my car and that's all right but if you mess with her ears where we fight. Oh, Heather, buddy, leave my g.

[Sheri Mex]

Shut up. That sounds like such a good time. The people were as beside it with Country Bill's love story as Country Bill was with Lottie Howard. They had a gazillion questions for him, but a big one was, what does your future bride think of how you make your living?

[Country Bill White]

She's gonna try it herself. I'm training her right now.

[Sheri Mex]

Lottie settled into her own coffin for her very first burial performance on June 9, 1966, at a drive in movie movie theater in Denison, Texas. Six days later, Lottie and Bill exchanged their marriage vows. Their officiant was justice of the Peace Leon Hayes, and this was the very first wedding the man had ever conducted. Lottie stuck her hand up through a slot in her coffin and Bill crouched low, reaching down to slide a wedding ring onto her finger. Then, with the groom at his side and the bride six feet below, Hayes pronounced them man and wife. The six witnesses applauded and cheered, wearing, as the local newspaper described it, their very best. This is normal faces. Lottie was then dug up, removed from her grave, and the couple headed off for their honeymoon with no time to waste. Bill was doing San Antonio cameo in just two weeks for a burial of his own. It was the world record that was the big prize. Country Bill had his sights set on. Even though the Guinness Book of World Records no longer acknowledges the whole buried alive phenomenon on the grounds of how dangerous it is. They sure used to. And Bill wanted those bragging rights. He broke his own Record in 1967 in Largo, Florida.

[Historian/Expert]

Tonight, at 9:30, in front of the huge screen at the Thunderbird Drive in Theater, a world crew will dig up a coffin, pry open the top, and out will step Bill White, holder of a new world's record for being buried alive underground for the most consecutive days. The new record is 56 days.

[Sheri Mex]

It was a rough 56 days. Heavy rainfall meant water seeped into the coffin. Boards were cut to fit it and slid down the opening so that White could build himself a new floor six inches above the old one. He was dry, but now his face brushed against the lid of his box. His bride, Lottie, was camped out in a small trailer next to his grave. It was she who brought him his mules and clean sponges so that he could bathe.

[Country Bill White]

It hasn't been easy. Someone squirted a fire extinguisher down the ventilation shaft a few weeks ago, but it only contained water, so no serious harm was done, I guess. But the Largo police are Keeping a close eye now.

[Sheri Mex]

As for Lottie, White explained that one year into their marriage, his wife had decided that he would be the family's only living corpse. She'd given it a try and decided it just wasn't for her. March 196068 found the couple in Austin, Texas.

[Announcer]

Country Bill White is now buried alive at the Chief Drive in theater, attempting to break his previous record. Call Countryville white on the phone [phone]. Fantastic and unearthly features. The Deadly Bees, the Skull Die Monster, Die and and Planet of the Vampires.

[Sheri Mex]

Austin was a mixed bag for Country Bill.

[Narrator/Researcher]

Country Bill White, sporting a heavy black beard, emerged from his underground burial site at a movie theater in Austin, Texas Friday night to claim a world record 62 days, 22 hours and 23 minutes a week.

[Sheri Mex]

World record and a heartbreak because while Country Bill lay entombed chatting on the phone with admirers from around the world, his wife Lottie was meeting with an attorney.

[Historian/Expert]

Country Bill White, who is living underground in a casket, found that even the grave is not proof against woman troubles. Deputy Sheriff Howard Herron served him Tuesday with a court order involving support payments by dropping the papers down the six inch wide pipe through which food is normally lowered to White.

[Sheri Mex]

White was ordered to pay Lottie $75 a week in support until the divorce was finalized. It was a dramatic ending to either A, a dramatic love story or B a poorly thought out stunt by a pair of attention junkies. Or maybe C. Marriage is hard enough when you're in the same same room, much less when one of you is buried in a box at a drive in movie theater. Who can say? Losing Lottie may have been a blow to Country Bill's heart, but it didn't slow his role as the living corpse. Just a few months later, he made his way to a parking lot in downtown Charleston, West Virginia for an attempt at a 102 day underground stay. But this time he wouldn't be alone. He'd be sharing a special custom coffin with partitioned to accommodate three living corpses. Country Bill, a 23 year old go Go dancer named June estep and a 34 year old grandmother named Mrs. Betty Jones.

[Country Bill White]

The girls are pretty excited and anxious. They've never been underground before. For me, it's the same old thing. There are a few things the girls are concerned about, like washing their hair and so forth.

[Sheri Mex]

No one expected what happened next. Not five days after the last shovel full of dirt hit the top of

[Narrator/Researcher]

that three way coffin, Country Bill White asked to be dug up. He complained of Stomach cramps.

[Sheri Mex]

Stomach cramps, heartache. Whatever was ailing him, Country Bill White managed to bounce back fast. By February 1969, he had a new home in Arlington, Texas, and a new wife. They met the same way Bill had met Lottie. On the telephone while he was six feet under. Isn't love a miracle? But competitors were now coming hard for Country Bill. The stomach cramps that cut short his West Virginia three way left a wide open opportunity for that divorcee, Patricia Han to set a new world record for being buried alive 64 days, 18 hours and 41 minutes. And if that wasn't enough of a blow to his ego, four topless dancers in Houston announced that they'd be buried alive in the parking lot at the Chantilly Lounge on October 4, with every intention of leaving Country Bill's former record in the dust. Now, the newest Mrs. White, Diane Moody was. Was as dutifully devoted as Lottie had been. But she wasn't crazy about the gig. Girl, listen. He was the living corpse. When you met him, did you think he was going to quit that and go to work for a state farm or something? But then again, it's not every new bride who has to watch her husband be lowered into a grave alive at a beer hall in St. Petersburg, Florida. Oh, sure, she could see his face smiling back at her through the special plexiglass lid on the box. And she did have to watch every night as that same face beamed up at the topless go go dancers performing atop his tomb.

[Country Bill White]

This sure beats being buried in a used car lot.

[Sheri Mex]

That nightly performance might have been the last bit of good luck the living corpse would get. Two years later, a stunt in Tallahassee went terribly wrong. When after just 10 days underground and he had to be pulled from his grave at the Superior Mobile Home lot, a crack had split the side of his coffin, threatening to dump 3,000 pounds of dirt on him. It was Alvin Vickers, the owner of Superior Mobile Home, who ordered White to vacate his box. Vickers said he didn't want to be responsible for his or anyone else's death. And then things didn't work out with Diane. But Country Bill could always fall back on his music. And he still had his career as the living corpse. He just slowed it down a bit. All that courting and marrying and divorcing can really take it out of a guy. Eventually, he set his sights on performing a summer 1977 record breaking stunt at Niagara Falls. Because a Belgian had just set the world's newest record for being buried alive. 100 more 1 days. For country Bill, the Niagara Falls stunt would be his 50th burial. After a 21 day training burial at Fat Man's Barbecue in Tallahassee where he was lowered into his coffin wearing handcuffs, White slammed a beer and challenged motorcyclist Evel Knievel to a tandem jump.

[Country Bill White]

I'll jump over anything he thinks he can handle. I'll. I'll be sitting right behind them, cocky,

[Sheri Mex]

confident and once again in love. The newest Mrs. Living corpse was named Kay. That night he brought over some flowers and wine and told me that he was a living corpse.

[Country Bill White]

I didn't believe it, but then he showed me his scrapbook.

[Sheri Mex]

I tell you, he throwed me for a loop.

[Country Bill White]

She's thrilled with this whole thing. She says at least she knows where I am.

[Sheri Mex]

When it came time for Country Bill to climb into his Coffin for his 50th burial and his attempt at the world record, he and his wife didn't make it quite as far as Niagara Falls. They had to settle for their second choice. The parking lot of a mobile home dealership in Dover, Delaware. That occasion called for something special. An all electric custom 8 foot by 4 foot coffin built by a mobile home manufacturer.

[Country Bill White]

My God, I could raise a family in that box.

[Sheri Mex]

No kidding. It was equipped with carpet heating and air conditioning, a color tv, three telephone lines, plus am, FM radio and CB radio. Huge crowds swarmed the parking lot for a look at the legendary living corpse. Trouble was, the crowd was so big that the lid of Country Bill's coffin began to cave in from their weight. Once again, the living corpse had to be prematurely removed from his grave. He'd last it just 12 days.

[Historian/Expert]

I don't know why he quit, said Hal Marquess, a salesman at the mobile home dealership. We did have a problem with the walls caving in, but I don't think that was it.

[Sheri Mex]

You don't, huh? Listen, don't rush to count a guy like Country Bill out. Just like he never gave up on the idea of marriage, he never gave up on the goal to set and then break his own world record for being buried alive. In 1978, he successfully clocked 130, 34 days, 2 hours and 53 minutes in the backyard of a radio station in Massachusetts. A few years later, after being told he was too old for these crazy shenanigans, White accepted a bet and in 1981 was buried in the parking lot of a country western bar in Colleen, Texas. White managed to stay underground. There, there in a plywood box for 140 days. He was unearthed just before Christmas 1981. He was now 47 years old, and all those long hours spent in the living grave were catching up with him.

[Country Bill White]

It's gonna take an awful lot to get me to go back down there again.

[Sheri Mex]

This time, country Bill's world record held. Could the living corpse finally relax and enjoy his legacy? Sure didn't seem like it. In 1987, the same year the Guinness book stopped acknowledging burial artists due to the dangers of the stunt, White talked about climbing back into his coffin for one more epic run at his own record.

[Country Bill White]

I've been crazy as hell all my life, and I'm gonna stick. Stay that way.

[Sheri Mex]

But that last burial never came to pass. Maybe because he landed a music gig that summer at the grass valley bluegrass festival in California. Or maybe because he just couldn't face even one more day confined in a box under the earth. Or it might have been that he was disheartened when a British man named Jeff Smith, AKA the human molecule, beat his world record by seven days. Like country Bill, Jeff found love while entombed. But unlike country Bill, Jeff was hauled out of the earth weak and temporarily unable to walk in a wheelchair. Jeff was satisfied that he had restored his family's honor by snatching White's record, Because, check this out. Jeff's mother, Emma, had lost her world record record for being alive to country Bill as the living corpse, Country Bill White spent about two and a half years of his life underground. He died for real on December 21, 2006, 14 years to the day after he set that world record in killeen, Texas. When he died, he left yet another Mrs. White behind. Annie Lou Cannell White. She would be the first Mrs. White whose graveside vigil would last forever, or at least until her own death in 2018. Country Bill was asked back in 1987 how he'd like to be buried once the day came when he was truly and finally dead and gone.

[Country Bill White]

Doesn't matter to me so long as they put a phone in the box.

[Singer/Musician]

Every now and then, you get someone with a lot of love in their heart. Like a friendly fire the words come over the wire and their sunshine in the dark People call me summer happy summer long they fill with fear there's woe and care in the world up there I may be better all down here.

[Sheri Mex]

Next time on true weird stuff. We head to the high seas for an adventure that ends in a terrifying mystery. There are some who say it was a smuggling operation gone bad. Others who say it was an accident in the cargo hold. And then there are those who laugh it all off and say that ship never even really existed. All aboard the Ourang Medan. Just don't expect to make it back to shore. On the next true weird stuff.

[Max Sweeten]

Special thanks to our voice talents on this episode. Sam Moore. Aaron Cox. Lamar Richardson. Carla Richardson. Don Morgan and Carrie. Doc Bowser. So, Sheri, you and I actually have met someone who was buried alive as a stunt. Do you remember that?

[Sheri Mex]

I debated. He's one of our colleagues in radio and he, the reason I didn't reach out to him to ask him to join us for this is because he is so traumatized he is by that experience and I didn't want him to ask him to relive it. It was horrific. It was very rare. Is the person that can be underground for two days, much less 134 days. I mean, I want you to think about that, about what that was really like. And you know, we, we pointed out that there was, there were bugs and snakes and mice and cave ins and water. It had to be absolutely terrible.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah. And he, he, he had a full blown panic attack while he was down there and they had to, they had to bring him up just because they were, they were afraid for his, his well being and I, I can't imagine.

[Sheri Mex]

Yeah, he talked to us about it and I mean he was a mess just describing it and so don't you feel kind of weird going, hey, we, we have an episode coming up on the Living Corpse. Can we, can we re. Traumatize you for entertainment?

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah, we can't do that. I mean, you're right about that because we were, we were, we were together when he was talking about it. I remember when it had happened that he was buried and then had to be brought up. But you're right, he still has PTSD from that. So probably wise to not have done that. It is, you know, you have to be a particular kind of person to be able to do that. You really do. And Bill White, country Bill White seems to be that kind of person.

[Sheri Mex]

The fact that he had, the fact that his primary career was being the Living Corpse, but that he ended up having a music career including live performances and radio airplay. This is to me, the story of Country Bill White is one of the most American stories that we have ever told. Everything about this story, this story couldn't take place anywhere else on earth but in the United States of America at that time. Look at all of the things that converged. So we've got like, he's a showman, you know, He's a carny. He's a performer. But look at all the convergence. The, the beginning of the heyday of advertising like that, the drive in, movie theater, all of it. It all kind of came together. He was, he was, he had huge success on CB radio, in the beginning of CB radio. And he is an American character. He's larger than life. He's running a scam, but it's not really a scam because he really is underground.

[Country Bill White]

Right, right.

[Sheri Mex]

And it's, it's this crazy. Oh, that's my dog. Yes. Bridger. It's this crazy American, larger than life. Do you double dog dare me to do it? I'll do it. Like you wouldn't. This would not, this story would not come to us out of Belgium or Denmark or France. This is an American story.

[Max Sweeten]

No. What was amusing to me is the kinds of businesses that enlisted his services. Yes. Used car lots, drive in, movie theaters, strip clubs.

[Sheri Mex]

I mean, mobile home sales.

[Max Sweeten]

Mobile home sales. Yeah. There was, there were, there were a couple things. I didn't know that taphophobia. I wasn't aware there was such a thing that you're, you have a fear of being buried alive. That, that's, that's, you know what it's called. I, I was also. When you did the whole thing about being saved by the bell. I know that we have talked about this before, but one of the things was that I was unsure whether it was an urban legend or whether that was a real thing. And as it turns out, it's a real thing.

[Sheri Mex]

It's a real thing. I mean, so one of the things. And it's. So remember the grave robbing episode we did and all the bodies under the church and it was just absolutely horrible. And how unscrupulous. Like when, when you ran out of room, you would just dump the bodies in the river and break up the coffins and sell them to the poor for firewood and start over with new bodies. Modern mortuary science is a relatively new thing and we have the Civil War in the US to thank for the science of embalming. It's fairly recent that people were embalmed before they were. The embalming process would start before they were fully deceased and people were. Thousands of people were buried alive.

[Max Sweeten]

So it was less than a hundred years ago that you actually had to officially report deaths and births.

[Sheri Mex]

Yeah.

[Max Sweeten]

With a physician saying, yes, that person's dead. It wasn't just, it wasn't just some guy going, I think he's dead. Yeah. Put a, put a mirror under his nose. I'm not seeing anything. Okay, fine. That's not that long ago, and it took them that long to be able to reach that decision that, you know, we're going to make this law that you have to have some kind of an official certificate with us.

[Sheri Mex]

We, you know, we live in an age where everything is super sanitized and death is a of process that happens far away in hospitals and nursing homes. But at that time, death was a family matter and death happened at home and people were not necessarily embalmed. So embalming began in the United States because of the Civil War. We had all of these soldiers on both sides dead, and there was this desperate need to return them to their grieving families so that their families could give them proper burials and have that. That ritual that's so critical to being able to accept that this person has died and to go forward in grief. So embalming, which, you know, now you think of. Well, everyone gets embalmed unless they're cremated or, you know, perhaps Jewish and buried, you know, within three days. Right. Most people, we take for granted that that's just part of it. But that's a new thing. That's a pretty new thing. And so you can see how at a period of. At a period in time when, you know, somebody died at home and family members, typically the women would wash and prepare the body and it would be set up in the home in a coffin for visitation, and then it would be carried to the cemetery or they

[Max Sweeten]

were buried at home. Some homes, they had their own little

[Sheri Mex]

graveyard at the home, popped out in the backyard. So depending on what the cause of death was or what the affliction was. Yeah, it was fairly common to put people in the ground before it was time to go. And I know you're going absolutely impossible. Even a person and a deep, deep coma would show some signs of life, would they not? Well, I think so, and you think so. But we're standing here in the benighted hellscape that is 2025 with the benefit of everything we know and an entire lifetime of doctor shows and movies.

[Max Sweeten]

Right.

[Sheri Mex]

Please, let's go back. Shall we all go back together to 1901, when none of that was true?

[Max Sweeten]

Well, I mean, they felt strongly enough about it that they felt like they needed to have a law about it and. Yeah, and they did. They needed to. It's interesting, you know, cremation has become so much more commonplace now that the idea of having a plot and all that sort of stuff, it doesn't seem as common as maybe it did when we were kids.

[Sheri Mex]

Well, I. I can remember so, you know, growing up in an old world, right off the boat, pre Vatican to Catholic Italian family, nobody would get cremated because how on Judgment Day, could God restore you to your physical body if your ashes were scattered all over, you know, the Rocky Mountains or what have you, that people don't hold with that anymore. And cremation is now, I think, in the United States, we had this statistic in a different episode. It's like the most common choice now. But you heard in the story that they were like, well, cremation's one sure way to prevent the corpse from knocking on the box to come back.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah. But, you know. Whoa, it's gotten hot. What the heck's going on? Oh, boy. This is not good.

[Sheri Mex]

I.

[Max Sweeten]

Go ahead.

[Sheri Mex]

I just. Oh, my God. Do I just love a story like this one? This is the kind of story that it has every American ingredient. It's got show business and capitalism and some hucksterism and some gritty can do and some romance and some refusal to ever give up. He never gave up on the world record. He never gave up on love. I mean, this guy is such a classic American story.

[Max Sweeten]

And you did answer a question that I had. So as you were going through this, I was going, he's down there for. So when you first. With the first record he had, I don't know, it was 49 days or something. So all I could think was, you're down there, okay, you've got a way to go to the bathroom. You've got a way to eat. What's it smell like in that little room? And then you said that they use sponges. I used to have to wonder, how effective is that?

[Sheri Mex]

Well, he had. You know, there was some pretty good ventilation, which carried its own risk because, you know, people would put objects, and they're. In the episode, we included the fire extinguisher, but people would drop things down. Kids would drop rocks into the ventilation holes. Rain was a problem. Um, he did. He would have, like, little sponge baths to stay clean. He did do isometric exercises. One of the remarkable things about Country Bill White is that he would emerge from these graves in pretty fine physical shape, which is kind of crazy when

[Announcer]

you think about it.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah.

[Sheri Mex]

He was asked repeatedly about how he went to the bathroom, and he said that that was a proprietary trade secret and he would not reveal it. But you have to assume. I mean, I get. And he's down there eating hamburgers with ketchup.

[Max Sweeten]

So it's not like, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's not a liquid diet. I have to tell you that when I was a little kid, like about five years old, that was my biggest concern for the astronauts was how they were gonna go to the bathroom anyhow.

[Sheri Mex]

But that's so real. Yeah, I mean, so there was, you know, there were different at, different, especially at the drive in movie theaters where crowds would just gather. And again, and this is so American, one of those drive in movie theaters was come in the daytime because who goes to a drive in movie theater in the daytime?

[Max Sweeten]

That's right.

[Sheri Mex]

Country Bill White gave these businesses a chance to make money around the clock. And so it was a pretty good gig for everybody involved because you would have crowds of people showing up at some patchy drive in in the middle of Texas at 2 o' clock in the afternoon and spending their money on concessions and all sorts of stuff. I mean, it was absolutely crazy. There was, there was a lot of, there were a lot of questions about the logistics of it. And there were descriptions of, you know, bagged waste and food scraps would be sent back up the pipe, you know, so that he wasn't for 134 days surrounded by little baggies of his own do.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah, that was, that was, I guess, a question. Another question you do, you do wonder,

[Sheri Mex]

you know, it's not, it's not like me to spare you a delicious and disgusting detail, but I did in this

[Max Sweeten]

episode, what I wonder is, so he is there. Do they say, all right, fine, we'll pay you a flat fee? I don't know if you came across this in the research, but it was something that I was thinking about as we were going this. We'll pay you a flat fee for coming if you stay a certain amount of time, but if you break the world record, I mean, that's going to bring more people there. And so that would be worth more to them that they would pay him more is what I wondered.

[Sheri Mex]

You know, I never unearthed. I'm sure there's. Well, maybe I'm not so sure they're out there. I did, I wasn't able to unearth like contracts and agreements because I too wondered. I mean, you're getting paid and of course you're getting paid. You're bringing hundreds of people, so many people to these strip bars and car dealerships and all that. The ground is caving in right from the weight of the crowd. So yeah, he definitely was getting paid. And at that one music hall in Texas, I can't tell you how legendary that place is like a young Willie Nelson. Legendary. Like anybody who's anybody has played Panther hall in Texas, and that was one of the locations where he was buried alive. The damnedest thing for me is. And you know, I am a road tripper and I'm. I am looking for unusual roadside and markers and stuff. I've yet to come across a. A marker for Country Bill White. But again, that shouldn't surprise me because he did a lot of his work at drive in movie theaters, and those are kind of.

[Max Sweeten]

Kind of gone. Yeah, they are the thing that I love about him. So he. So he had already gone through two marriages before he became the living corpse, right? So he had two.

[Sheri Mex]

Yeah, yeah, at least two.

[Max Sweeten]

So he had five total is what I was. I think I.

[Sheri Mex]

Five or six. I think five or six. Because he had a couple. He'd been married a couple of times before he married Lottie. And, you know, before you judge, it cannot be easy to be married to a man who does this for a living.

[Max Sweeten]

Right?

[Sheri Mex]

You know, like, not every woman is me. Where I'm like, is there any way you could go out of town or perhaps be buried alive for 134 days so I could have the house to myself? A lot of women are not like that. That.

[Max Sweeten]

So I do like what the one woman said. At least I know where he is. That's what they say about guys who are in prison. You know what I mean? If you are his wife now, the one wife, Lottie, she was tending to him while he was down there. Is that part of being the wife now all of a sudden? You're kind of. You're kind of an unpaid servant for the guy. So I would imagine that would get old after a while.

[Sheri Mex]

He and Lottie had this whirlwind courtship where they fell in love before they ever met. And remember, she was like, you know what? I'm gonna get buried alive too. And she hated it. Their wedding ceremony is one of the craziest things I've ever read about how she stuck her hand up from the grave to have the ring put on. I mean, can you please, like, imagine that? It's so nice.

[Max Sweeten]

It is so nuts. But can you imagine how many people would want to see that? I mean, what the spectacle is. People would pay to see that, Sherry. I would pay to see that today. I would pay to see that.

[Sheri Mex]

If that were happening today at a mobile home dealership in Denison, Texas, it would break the Internet. A live stream of that would shut the Internet down. Because it is such an Unbelievable spectacle. But there was something about the guy. Look, he was. He was charming and talented. Maybe not a good enough musician to have a full career in music, but he didn't miss an opportunity to get out there and make records, which he did. Those were all his original songs. That was all Country Bill you heard in the episode. I think he was very appealing to women. And because he spent so much of his time just lying in his coffin, chatting people up on the phone, you know, his game was strong.

[Max Sweeten]

Well, it had to have been. I was wondering, you know, you do get to talk to all these people, and I suppose that it's great in passing the time, but, you know, Sherry, in everyday life, some people are more interesting than others. Can you imagine getting the uninteresting rambler type people on the phone with him?

[Sheri Mex]

And, you know, he did. I mean, he. They would install multiple lines. So he would have five, six, and sometimes it would be three, sometimes it'd be half a dozen landline phones dropped in there and. Like a little switchboard. And he was on the phone around the clock. People from all over the world followed these stories. And you heard at the one drive in, it was about seven seconds between calls day and night. He said that one of the negatives for being buried alive was that he didn't get much sleep because the phone was always ringing. Yeah, it's so bizarre. This is one of those things where I hear myself say these things, and I'm like, girl, I think you're making that up.

[Max Sweeten]

I agree with you. This is the most American thing ever. It really is. All facets of it. It's just. And it's. It's so delicious. I just can't help but enjoy it.

[Sheri Mex]

This is the sort of thing that if we taught a story like this in school, this would fill people with patriotism. Because you would say to yourself, where else in the world could this happen but here? Yeah, this. This is what the Statue of Liberty was all about. You can come here, you can do any damn thing, including making a name for yourself as the living corpse. If you've got an idea and some guts, the. Anything is possible. Welcome to America. And I think that if people knew more of these stories, they would. They would think about their country and their identity a little differently. Because we're in a. We're in a spot historically where we're super, super divided. And we. We. We think of our American identity in political and ideological terms. And that is really limiting. It's very narrow because it. It only takes in one tiny facet. Of existence. To be an American is to be born in a land where crazy shit is possible. And you can become a star doing that crazy shit. Yeah, that is. It is possible. Becoming a success in the wildest way. And all of the things that Country Bill White touched were other versions of American success stories. The guy who owned the mobile home dealership in Delaware, who brought the Living Corpse in, that's an American success story. The car dealerships, the. All the drive in movie theaters, all of the people who saw what was happening and saw their own opportunity, including those musicians who showed up and said, we're a band. We just finished opening for Loretta Lynn. We're going to play a song with you. What? What was that? But seeing an opportunity to expand your own brand, that's what social media is. It's just a giant opportunity to expand your brand. But this idea of seeking opportunities to expand your own horizons is American. That is the American sensibility. This guy is as much a. A great American as George freaking Washington. And I stand by that.

[Max Sweeten]

He. He was kind of an influencer in his own way. He was an influence influencer before. That was a thing.

[Sheri Mex]

He was. And he's also. The cool thing about Country Bill is that he had his moment. And when his moment ended, the whole thing ended. Nobody's doing this anymore.

[Max Sweeten]

Nobody is.

[Sheri Mex]

So it's not like Blaine didn't.

[Max Sweeten]

He's a magician, so I'm. I am very suspicious. Suspicious that he was actually buried alive. Do you know what I mean? He's someone.

[Sheri Mex]

I find David Blaine wildly entertaining. His. He's got a reality show, a travel show that's really like. I'm not a magician fan, but I'm a fan of David Blaine's travel show. The difference between Country Bill and David Blaine is David Blaine might get buried underground and he might submerge himself in a volcano or an ice pit or whatever, but all Bill White did was get buried. That's all he did. And so this isn't a case where you can go, well, you know, there are a lot of magicians. There are a lot of rock stars. There are a lot of living corpses. No, there aren't. This was a flash, a brief, brief moment in American pop culture, and then it was over and gone forever and ever. Digger Odell. What? Digger o' Dell started just to promote his own little convenience store in Phoenix City, Alabama. And side note, Phoenix City, Columbus, Fort Benning, we know that part of the world really, really well. So it cracks us up to think of Country Bill being buried alive at A mobile home dealership in Phoenix City.

[Max Sweeten]

And back then in the 1960s, Phoenix City was. It was the Wild West. It really was.

[Sheri Mex]

So he doesn't like Bill White looking down from or up from wherever he is. Doesn't have to go. Boy, the living corpses that followed me, boy, they sure were better. They had technology. It died with him. And that's pretty cool, you know, that's his. He. He's not a household name, and you probably had never heard of this guy before today, but he, he owns a little piece of legendary status that nobody can ever take away from him.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah. And I'm sure that he was proud of that through the course of time.

[Sheri Mex]

Oh, sure, yeah. What wasn't to be proud of? Because here's the other super duper American thing about country Bill White. A nine to five.

[Max Sweeten]

No, not for him.

[Sheri Mex]

Squares. Yeah,

[Max Sweeten]

yeah, you're buried alive, but at least you're not answering to the man.

[Sheri Mex]

He wasn't bound by his family's name or identity. He wasn't bound by tradition. He. He was. Country Bill White was not afraid to fail. And because he wasn't afraid to fail, he had wild successes. Now, I would argue as a person with claustrophobia who doesn't like bugs or snakes, I would argue that I would rather work that square, boring 9 to 5 job than make my living being buried alive. But in the 1960s, like late 1950s, 60s into the 80s in America, Guy like Bill White, he called his own shots and he made his own way.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah.

[Sheri Mex]

And he. And he did as he desired. And nobody ever fenced him in or held him down. Down. Not a job, not a boss, not one of his half dozen or so wives.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah, I was going to say that as well, but he had to. Did you not think it was funny? He had to pay the one wife $75 a week?

[Sheri Mex]

That was a lot of money back then.

[Max Sweeten]

That was a lot of money back then. Which is why I'm thinking he must have been doing all right, you know?

[Sheri Mex]

Yeah, well, I mean, he was. He was very famous in a weird, weird way for pretty good long time now. What? And, and you can't say that it was regional fame because again, people from all around the world followed his exploits and called him on that phone. Now, the part of the reason that was so heavily publicized was because the drive in movie theaters, they knew an opportunity when they saw one. And the drive in movie theater spent a fortune telling people how to talk to the living corpse. And it paid off for them. And one of the things I learned Working on this episode was that Pet Booth was in a horror movie.

[Max Sweeten]

I didn't know that either. I, I had never heard of any of those titles. But, you know, the, the drive in movie theaters were just, you know, it was an excuse for a date. It didn't really, really. The plot didn't matter, really.

[Sheri Mex]

I looked for a bunch of these movies on YouTube. There's a clip from werewolves in the girls dormitory in the episode. That whole movie was. Let me tell you something, Dr. Grant. We cannot have werewolves in the girls dormitory. Like, it was that kind of a vibe. And then, then when I saw that Pat Booned had been in a horror movie, I went looking for the Pat Boone movie and thinking, oh, my God, just like Pat Boone, who is synonymous with wholesome white bread, you know, heartland decency. Does he play a monster? No, he doesn't. He kind of plays

[Max Sweeten]

comfort. Bill White died not all that long ago, 2006. So it's, you know, almost 20 years ago. But, you know, he was alive for, for a long time. Wouldn't you love to talk to him? I'll bet he'd be fascinating and I'll bet he'd tell great stories.

[Sheri Mex]

I. I wish that, I wish that we had known of him. We would have had him on our regular radio.

[Max Sweeten]

Oh, yeah, we would have.

[Sheri Mex]

And he would have been. Been a phenomenal guest. Someone. I. What I would love to know is how, how he's wired, because it's, it's not like, well, who, who doesn't want to be buried alive? That is a really scary proposition. Want you to think about that for a second?

[Max Sweeten]

Well, I, you know, and hearing.

[Sheri Mex]

Did you hear what he said in the, in the story? You could hear the earth settling around. No.

[Max Sweeten]

No, thank you. I know myself well enough that I would not be okay with that. And I'm not particularly claustrophobic, but. No, I wouldn't be all right with that.

[Sheri Mex]

I would just, I mean, I would just love to. A lot of the questions that he was asked were, how do you go to the bathroom? Do. How do you. How do you take a bath? Do you get scared? But nobody really seemed to. And I feel like I found and read every word I could find on the guy and every interview he ever gave, nobody ever said to him, so, like, when it's quiet, it's 4 o' clock in the morning or whatever. Do you ever just have a. Like, are you ever at the verge of freaking out? Do you allow yourself to think about where you are?

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah, I mean, I think all he's Thinking about when he's down there, Sherry is the wife he has or the next wife he's going to get. He's flirting with it because, wow, you

[Sheri Mex]

know what I would do, you know what I would like to see, and I have no idea. I'm sure it hasn't existed for a very long time. The custom coffin that the mobile home company made for him for the Dover stunt, Delaware stunt, with, you know, TV and radio and CB and carpeting and heat and AC and electricity and that was a pretty generous size. I mean, you're still underground in something significant. I mean, you're still underground in a

[Max Sweeten]

box, but you're not. You're able to move around a little bit that he.

[Sheri Mex]

Yeah, I don't think he was ever. He was a big guy. He was 6ft tall. I don't think any of his boxes were tall enough where like he could sit up, but he wasn't. This isn't, you know, a coffin out of the movie Tombstone where it's real narrow and tapered. It wasn't that he definitely could roll over and he was in a position to use his right guard spray deodorant to kill snakes or whatever. Oh, it's horrible.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah. No, all of that stuff, the, the thing with the vermin and the snakes and the bugs and all of that stuff, no, that wouldn't be worth it to me. It really wouldn't.

[Sheri Mex]

There was one instance where he came out of the ground at a drive in, in Texas and he'd been under for. This was one of his like almost three month stays. And the. They had newspaper photographers waiting for Country Bill to come out of the grave. And the one thing that he didn't do underground was shave. And so they captured this portrait of what looked like a wild man, you know, this heavy be long beard and stuff. I just, I can't. There's nothing about what this man did for a living that I feel like I could do. How about you?

[Max Sweeten]

No, Sherry, I don't want to be in a confined space. Even. Even. Well, actually I work in a confined

[Country Bill White]

space

[Sheri Mex]

and that's enough.

[Max Sweeten]

That, that's enough, you know, windowless, combined space. So maybe I've had training for this and just don't know it.

[Sheri Mex]

It's. It's just a real special person. And so I wanted to, in order, like to me it seems like because we, we are also living in a cultural moment where people go, yeah, well, so what? I could do that. Well, shut the door. No, you could not. Like, you could not be buried alive for 134 days. Sometimes I think that we need to have the whole picture of what it really was to be buried alive. And the thing that haunted me from this episode was the description about any time they would dig up graves to move them. And if you're wondering why were they digging up graves to move them, that's also a thing that happens. If you remember, we did an entire episode on the city of San Francisco.

[Max Sweeten]

That's right.

[Sheri Mex]

Moving all of its dead to coma. Because you're not. There are no cemeteries that you're allowed to be buried in now in San Francisco.

[Max Sweeten]

Well, most of them.

[Sheri Mex]

Most of the. Most of the. A lot of them got left behind. Digging up graves and relocating remains is a thing that happens all the time, everywhere, including Team USA right now, for all kinds of reasons. But back when, when they would do that, they would find really unsettling and frightening indications that perhaps the person in that coffin had not been dead.

[Max Sweeten]

Wow.

[Sheri Mex]

How else do you account for. How else do you account for exhuming a body? And there are claw marks on the lid, the interior lid of the coffin, and the corpse has torn fistfuls of its own hair out.

[Max Sweeten]

There's no other explanation. If there are marks on the inside of the coffin, that didn't happen by itself. Yeah. So I think that this probably did happen often enough that they should have, you know, made some sort of regulations for this.

[Sheri Mex]

Heather, our digital witch and social media cult leader, as she's identifying the credit, said to me a week or two ago, she's, like, true. Her stuff tends to be a little gritty. Well, if you're doing a story on people being accidentally buried alive, I don't know how it's anything but, like, I don't know how to make that fun for y'.

[Max Sweeten]

All.

[Sheri Mex]

Like, this is not. Let me do an episode called Kittens are Soft. And I promise you there won't be anything gritty in it.

[Max Sweeten]

But nobody wants to listen to true, sweet stuff.

[Sheri Mex]

So, yeah, I mean, these people were buried alive. And the cemetery workers, the sextons, I think they used to call them, for people that worked in church graveyards.

[Max Sweeten]

That's right.

[Sheri Mex]

What would be like pissing themselves. They're hearing bells ringing in the night. And. And a lot of times it was just because natural decomposition caused the corpse's body to move just enough to tug the string. But then they would also, like in the case of the. Of Rafina Combeceras, they buried the girl alive, and she tried desperately to get out of her grave. And. And who Discovered that the night watchman at the cemetery.

[Max Sweeten]

Yes, that one, that one was especially haunting.

[Sheri Mex]

That's a real one. She was beautiful. 19 year old heiress to a cattle fortune. Man, she was famous. Famous story. Worldwide news coverage on what happened to Rafina. Like it really did happen. And I don't know how to, I don't know how to make that nice, you know, look at George Hayward, the jeweler from Missouri. For a person, for a man who was accidentally buried alive, I thought he took that.

[Max Sweeten]

Well, he was pretty chill about it. Kind of like, well, that's just how it goes. Well, you know, I just thought that was, that was it. Yeah.

[Sheri Mex]

The horrible thing for George Hayward and not to give anybody nightmares. But stay with me here. He was fully aware, fully conscious. Could hear everything, could see everything. Could feel the tears of his loved ones splashing onto him. He couldn't move a muscle. He couldn't move his eyes. He was absolutely frozen.

[Country Bill White]

What would that be like?

[Max Sweeten]

Oh, Sherry, that's. Have you ever had that happen in nightmares? Things are happening in your computer. Completely paralyzed. There's a name.

[Sheri Mex]

Sleep paralysis.

[Max Sweeten]

Sleep paralysis. That's right. But you're having something happen and you're completely paralyzed by it. That is, that is the stuff of nightmares. It really is.

[Sheri Mex]

I, I, you know, when I think about George Hayward and the, the only thing I could think about was, well, he was an older gentleman and he had faith. And maybe he thought, well, this is just what happens. This is what death is. God lets you see how sad people are that you're dead and then you get put in the grave. Like, I just don't even know how to make the man make sense. Like, the, the level of Zen acceptance on the part of that jeweler is really dazzling, isn't Is?

[Max Sweeten]

I mean, that was the thing that was most striking about it, was he just was, he just seemed to be so easy going about it and, and of course, he's being interviewed afterwards about it. He didn't have any sort of animosity towards those people, you know, stupid doctor.

[Sheri Mex]

I think, you know, most of us listening right now have lost someone. And you go through that, that terrible griefs, the funeral, all of it. Now, I want you to imagine a knock on the door, Ms. Hayward, we made a mistake. George is not dead. What? Buried my husband this afternoon. He's at the doctor's office. When he just come, like, everybody involved in this, everybody involved in this had to be tripping.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah, that, that would absolutely be crazy. When you first started talking about this with the living corpse, With Bill White, I thought that what had happened was that he was the one that had been buried alive accidentally. And then went around and, hey, meet the guy that was buried alive. I didn't know he was doing it for money.

[Sheri Mex]

On purpose, for money. It was very lucrative. Yeah. Yeah. So you can file a story like this under the heading, America. You want crazy? Because it is crazy of a country. I mean, but you gotta love it. We're, you know, we're not perfect by any means. We're far. We couldn't be less perfect. But if you. If you could just get past these rigid political and ideological divides, you would go, this is a country full of some crazy creative, entrepreneurial mofos. We should keep this going.

[Max Sweeten]

We have more.

[Sheri Mex]

A little bit longer.

[Max Sweeten]

We have more in common than we don't. We really do.

[Sheri Mex]

And we are our own thing. You know, we're not. We come from all over the world, but once we're here, we become our own thing. We become a culture where this. A story like this is possible. Now, Guinness Book, this is. I mean, this isn't the first or only category that Guinness Book stopped acknowledging, because there were people who saw the fame that these burial artists were achieving. And. And it didn't. It didn't necessarily go so well for everybody.

[Max Sweeten]

No.

[Sheri Mex]

And it was considered extremely dangerous. And at one point, the Guinness Book kind of shook itself like a wet dog and went, wait a minute. What are we encouraging? And so that was a disappointment for country Bill White because he. He, like so many people like this, wanted to be in the Guinness Book of World Records. So that was a bummer.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah.

[Sheri Mex]

And the Evil Knievel thing never came to pass. The Evil Knievel.

[Announcer]

That.

[Max Sweeten]

Now, that really would been perfect. That would have been perfect.

[Sheri Mex]

So what do you think? It was my guess or my theory that after that blasting cap blew up and that kid had to have all those surgeries to save his eyesight, and spent a pretty significant chunk of a very formative stage of his childhood fighting for his life in the hospital. After that, he just didn't have any fear of anything.

[Max Sweeten]

Either that or he was born that way. I mean, it's possible that it was the accident that caused him, but, you know, some people are just born. They're just kind of sort of born a certain way. And as you were going through this, I thought that could have been what caused this. You know, he thinks, oh, well, I'm immortal now. But at the same time, you have to be wired a certain way, too. I mean, it seems like this Just wasn't about this buried alive business. It seemed to permeate all aspects of his life, including his personal life.

[Sheri Mex]

Yeah, he didn't, Bill didn't overthink it and he didn't, he didn't judge himself and he did not worry. Like, do you think he gave a damn if you thought he couldn't keep a wife?

[Max Sweeten]

No, he didn't care. He was, he was a very impulsive guy, that's for sure. And the women he was attracting, attractive were apparently pretty impulsive themselves.

[Sheri Mex]

I, you know, know I like a bad boy, but this would be not something I could do. I could not date the living corpse.

[Max Sweeten]

He's gone for long periods of time trying to break the record and you've got the house to yourself.

[Sheri Mex]

I mean, I, I do love that. But here's the problem. Yeah, I've got the house to myself, but he expects me to sit on a folding chair next to his grave and send down soup and clean sponges and you know, know,

[Max Sweeten]

I wonder how the wife felt about the fact that he was down there with topless dancers.

[Sheri Mex]

She didn't love that. And that again, you want to tell me a more American visual than a stunt performer buried alive at a strip club while topless dancers are dancing on his grave and he's looking up at them through the plexiglass window? You can't, I'm. You can't top that. That is the most American visual. Somebody should paint that. I'll tell you another thing I loved in this story. It is not every day that you get that you sit in front of a newspaper headline about a living corpse, a Go Go dancer and a 34 year old grandma having a three way buried alive thing. Did you, did that not blow your mind that everything this guy did was so amazing that you just want to sit and think about it? And I don't know why the Go Go dancer and grandma three way didn't pan out for him. He said he got stomach cramps and he just got the hell out of there. Maybe, maybe Country Bill's thing wasn't that he couldn't be buried alive. Maybe Country Bill's thing was is that he couldn't be confined with other people.

[Max Sweeten]

Other people. I, I think that, I think that because he's in, as long as he's by himself, he's in control of the situation. When there's somebody else there, he's not in control of the situation or is as much control.

[Sheri Mex]

I'm glad you. Because I thought that too. Like, oh, on paper, Go Go, dancer Grandma. Country Bill. This sounds spectacular, but in reality, and

[Max Sweeten]

we don't know how things happening. You know what I mean? It sounds a certain way, but nothing's probably happening. There's not enough room.

[Sheri Mex]

Here's what I wondered. Those two women, they were new to the Buried Alive game. Maybe they were just really struggling, and he. He was down there for a while and went down. Damn. I cannot listen to this for two months. I. I got to get out of here. This is not working for me. Which is another kind of admirable thing about Country Bill. When something wasn't working, he cut it. He ended it. He did not. Even in his own pursuit of a record. If it wasn't working for him, he climbed out of the grave.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah.

[Sheri Mex]

And then tried again another day, which is probably why he survived so many close calls with water and cave ins and whatnot, because he wasn't afraid to. Wasn't afraid to walk away from a stunt that wasn't working. And that was another thing in this story that I loved. It's been a hot minute since the phrase go, go, girl showed up in anything I was reading. It's just such a snapshot of. Of a moment in time. It really. You know, it really is. It was a different America back then. It was not a better or a more innocent.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah, it was just different.

[Sheri Mex]

Just different.

[Max Sweeten]

We didn't have the Internet. We needed to have. We need to have live spectacles.

[Sheri Mex]

And because I think of the Internet, something like this. Something like this would live online and be huge. Yeah. It would be a harder thing to draw a crowd. You'd get clicks, but not maybe crowds. I don't know.

[Max Sweeten]

Well, if there was a camera in there, I'd imagine the people. People would want to watch it for. At least for a little bit.

[Sheri Mex]

I. That. Well, that would be a piece of it that Country Bill could do today that he couldn't back then. He could live stream.

[Max Sweeten]

Yeah.

[Sheri Mex]

Life underground. I just. Oh, God, the claustrophobia, the horror of it.

[Max Sweeten]

That's the thing. Yeah, I know.

[Sheri Mex]

The divorce papers being served through his ventilation pipe.

[Max Sweeten]

She's kind of like, yeah, I don't want to have to deal with this in person. Just put it down the pipe.

[Sheri Mex]

I love this wacky, deranged, goofy, campy America. I never got to visit that America, which might be why I like it so much. You know, it seems. Seems like such a cool place to me, sir.

[Max Sweeten]

Don Morgan was just happy he could voice a character that didn't. That wasn't some sort of racist misogynist sex fiend, cult leader.

[Sheri Mex]

I know, and I'm a little. I was a little worried when you sent him the script because the poor man has been every flavor of terrible. And he's like, don, can you play the living corpse? That doesn't sound as good as it's gonna be.

[Max Sweeten]

No, it doesn't. It doesn't. No. He did the last time, and I think I left it in there. But he's reading through the script and he's doing the parts. He's going, good Lord.

[Sheri Mex]

So thank you so, so, so much for listening to this one. We'll see you next week. Bye.

[Max Sweeten]

And if you listen to us on Apple Podcast, hit the plus button in the top right corner. And now it helps an independent podcast like ours to get to scratch discovered, and we really appreciate it. If you subscribe, rate and review True

[Sheri Mex]

Weird Stuff, hit our website, true weirdstuff.com for show notes and photos and videos when we have it, and bonus content. Everything True Weird is waiting for [e-mail]

[Max Sweeten]

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[Sheri Mex]

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[Max Sweeten]

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[Sheri Mex]

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