John's life was forever altered when he received a diagnosis as one more thing in a string of hardships. Hear his inspiring story of resilience and how he weathered these storms, rebuilt his life, and found ways to serve others like him. This is a conversation about stigma, loneliness, and connection that has implications for all of us.

Featuring an interview with Molly Heacock, the COO of the nonprofit Untold which serves clients as they live lives beyond AIDS. Learn more about their work at untold.org.

Washington Post article mentioned: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/05/africa-pepfar-kenya-trump-funding-cuts/

Personnel

Kristi Sturgill - Host

John Okelo - Interviewee

Molly Heacock (COO, Untold) - Interviewee

Chris Kuo, Brian Grasso, Angela Tawfik - Guest

Angela Tawfik - Executive Producer

Andrew Forrester - Production Assistance

Marketing and Audience Strategy - Lydia Kim

Music

“Night on the Dock” by Kevin MacLeod

“Relaxing Acoustics” by Black Rhomb

“Sailing to New Lands” by Mocha Music

“Brookings” by Andrew Forrester

“Night Vigil” by Kevin MacLeod

“Evening Fall” by Kevin MacLeod

“Newborn Life” by Kevin MacLeod

“Angular” by Andrew Forrester

“Mallet Machine” by Andrew Forrester

“Dreamer” by Kevin MacLeod