Encounters x328 - Stories from Haunted New England

Summary

Two Girls One Ghost

Encounters x328 – Stories from Haunted New England

Date: April 23, 2026
Hosts: Corinne Vien & Sabrina Deana-Roga
Theme: Listener-Submitted Encounters from Haunted New England Locations

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Episode Overview

This episode, Corinne and Sabrina transport listeners to haunted New England by sharing eerie, listener-submitted tales from the region’s notoriously spooky locations. From phantom women on remote Maine highways to haunted college halls and demonic confrontations on delivery routes, the hosts explore local legends as only bi-coastal, horror-loving best friends can—through research, laughter, and a lot of tangents! The tone is conversational, spooky, and filled with the hosts’ characteristic wit and personal anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Stories

1. Setting the Scene—New England Edition (01:22–02:41)

• The hosts frame "New England" as both home and haunt, riffing on which states truly count (Connecticut: debatable, New Jersey: no!) and highlighting the area’s layered supernatural history and psychological horror.
• Corinne teases a hyper-personal haunted grocery store story—but it’s exclusive to Patreon.

2. Haunted Roads and Elemental Spirits in Maine (03:41–12:44)

Story by Natalie: “Haunted New England Road Elementals”

• Natalie’s harrowing journey: After flying to Boston and driving north, her GPS twice routes her and her family down the infamous, desolate, fog-shrouded Route 182 (Black’s Wood Road near Fox Pond).
• Experiences include:
  • Road becoming eerily isolated and covered by overgrown trees.
  • Gadget anomalies: GPS refuses to reroute.
  • Two sightings of a spectral woman with “sunken eyes... big and creepy mouth... black, matted hair”—once with an unnerving smile.
  • Local lore: Route 182 is haunted by elementals and the spirit of Catherine, a beheaded socialite from Prohibition whose ghost punishes drivers who don’t offer her a ride.
• Quote:
  • Sabrina (09:23): “…she turns her head and smiles at us, but her eyes are sunken in and her mouth is big and creepy and her hair is black and matted.”
• Natalie is “still alive” despite the legend, but the supernatural interference with both GPS and psyche left them shaken.

Discussion

• Sabrina and Corinne riff on Stephen King vibes and how New England’s hauntings veer toward psychological horror vs. the ancient, cryptid-creepy feel of Appalachia (14:13–15:00).

3. Family Ties to Haunted Vermont—The Preventorium House (18:55–25:51)

Story by Kristen

• Kristen shares a chilling recollection growing up in Essex, Vermont, in a house that was once a “preventorium” for children exposed to tuberculosis.
• Experiences include:
  • Cold spots, flickering lights, and hearing children crying—amid a household of 11 siblings!
  • Sleeping porches used even in Vermont winters for “healing” TB.
  • A childhood encounter: Alone in her uncle’s house, she feels a rush of cold, paralysis, the sensation of eyes staring, and time slowing until interrupted.
  • Vivid dreams of deceased relatives that seemed like real memories, confirmed by her mother never to have happened—suggesting astral/paranormal visitations.
• Quote:
  • Corinne (22:56): “It all of a sudden felt like all of the eyes in the family photos on the walls were now staring at me. The temperature dropped to below freezing…”
• Sabrina supports the idea that these are real visitations, not just dreams.

4. Demonic Forces on a Wine Delivery (26:09–35:10)

Story by Hunter: “Demonic Wine Delivery”

• Hunter describes a recent event involving his spiritually-sensitive mom and skeptical dad during a routine wine delivery.
  • Before the route, a priest oddly singles out the father for a special blessing.
  • At a contentious first stop, a hostile confrontation escalates between the dad and a worker whose eyes suddenly “appear black.”
  • A wine case flies off the pallet and crashes, breaking the moment; instantly, the worker’s demeanor shifts to friendly.
  • Hunter’s mom, alone in the van, somehow senses the escalation—documenting a chain of angry and demon-face emojis as it happens.
  • The couple compares notes: Mom felt the demonic force from afar; dad is rattled by the black-eyed man. They both wonder if the priest’s blessing was a cosmic intervention.
• Quote:
  • Sabrina (32:14): “His eyes slowly glazed over and were now appearing black… staring back at my dad.”
• Corinne wonders if negative energy possessed both men; the emoji evidence wows Sabrina.

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5. The Bennington College “Gin Ghost” and the Price of Unpaid Spirits (38:48–47:31)

Story by Victoria: “The Bennington Alum and the Ouija Board”

• Bennington College, notorious for weirdness, hosts the tale of a student Ouija session in the haunted Jennings music building.
  • Victoria & Nick contact a spirit named Allen Edwards, who wants “gin” and says he can't leave but can accept offerings.
  • They forget to deliver, after which Victoria’s life tanks for years.
  • Returning years later, she brings gin to the hallway, apologizes, and “something touched [her] ankle”—followed by a sense of closure.
  • On the way out, a staff member mistakes her for the famous “Jennings ghost.”
  • The original Ouija session included chilling, coherent answers, including Allen’s alleged history and resentment toward another (Hugh).
• Quote:
  • Victoria (43:25): “I know it’s years late, but I brought your gin. I’m sorry it took so long. Are we good? And I swear to you, something touched my ankle…”
• The hosts do a deep-dive on the ghost’s motives (vengeful ghosts! School cryptids! Goat Boy sightings!) and the power of honoring promises in the supernatural.

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6. Sleep Paralysis at the Enfield Shaker Museum (47:48–53:14)

Story by Grace

• At a retreat in the Enfield Shaker Museum’s “Great Stone Dwelling,” Grace (sharing a room with her new boss) experiences her first and only bout of terrifying sleep paralysis—feeling pinned, unable to breathe or scream, and finally waking up shrieking.
• Her boss confusedly asks, “Did you hear that?” and the hosts speculate whether both had a supernatural encounter!
• Quote:
  • Grace (51:48): “My eyes were wide open, I couldn’t move, I couldn’t breathe, I couldn’t speak. I don’t remember seeing anything, but I felt that something was physically holding me down.”
• Classic haunted hostel vibes, and a uniquely awkward introduction to a new director.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On New England Hauntings:
  • Sabrina (14:35): “When you think of New England, it is weird… it’s almost like psychological horror.”
  • Corinne (14:42): “Yeah. Where, like, you don’t know what your reality is. It’s less of like… And so many legends.”
• On Traditions & Lost Trades:
  • Corinne (53:14): “My mind is just, like, going off with just the trades and how masonry is so expensive now and how there's not that many masons anymore…”
• On Goat Boy, School Cryptids:
  • Victoria (45:22): “Of course, there were always rumors about the Goat Boy, our school cryptid… a boy with a goat’s head that lives in the woods by campus. Of course.”
• On Supernatural Justice:
  • Sabrina (47:31): “Now I’m curious if anyone goes to Bennington—go find that hallway and see if you can talk to Allen.”

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Timestamped Segment Highlights

| Time | Segment | |----------|------------| | 01:22 | Themed intro; focus on local, personal New England haunts | | 03:41 | Story 1: Natalie’s haunted Maine drive with road elementals (Route 182, Fox Pond, Catherine’s Hill legend) | | 18:55 | Story 2: Kristen’s Vermont preventorium house, cold spots, spirit visitations in dreams | | 26:09 | Story 3: Hunter’s family—wine delivery goes demonic, black-eyed man, priestly intervention | | 38:48 | Story 4: Victoria’s Bennington College “Ouija gin ghost” and the perils of breaking ghostly promises | | 47:48 | Story 5: Grace’s scream-inducing sleep paralysis in the Enfield Shaker Museum | | 53:14+ | Reflections on lost arts, shoptalk, and the quirks of haunted New England |

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Memorable Moments

• A spectral woman appearing twice, seemingly out of nowhere, during a drive on an infamous haunted road in Maine.
• The Bennington alum’s amazingly “satisfying” closure experience—finally bringing the ghost his demanded gin.
• The live emoji play-by-play from Hunter’s mom, inadvertently psychic, as her husband fends off what might be a demonic entity.
• Sabrina’s encyclopedic memory for podcast episode numbers and her musings on New England vs. Appalachia hauntings.
• Grace’s “nice to meet you” moment with her new boss: a night of shared terror and sleep paralysis in an ancient Shaker dorm.

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Closing and Call to Action

• For more haunted tales, including Corinne’s deeply personal haunted grocery store story, listeners are encouraged to join the Patreon community: “You get all episodes one week early and ad free… campfire stories… book club… witch classes… People say we do more than most creators do. It’s worth your money!” (55:23)
• Free listeners are always welcome; word-of-mouth support is encouraged.
• Heartfelt thanks to their editor and listeners.
• “We will see you on the other side…”

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone into local legends, haunted highways, and the charmingly offbeat humor of Corinne and Sabrina—the most haunted podcast in America.

Transcript

[Corinne]

Girl, winter is so last season.

[Sabrina]

And now spring's got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio Sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done. Hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. What they did to your family. You're lucky to make it out alive. Streaming on Peacock. These men are going to come after me. Taking them out. It's my only chance. Put a bullet in her head. From the co creator of Ozark.

[Corinne]

Looks like a family was running drugs execution style.

[Sabrina]

Killing. It's rare for the Keys. Any leads on who they might have been running for? The cartel killed my family. I'm gonna kill them.

[Corinne]

Awesome, Mia.

[Sabrina]

Streaming now only on Peacock. Very spooky.

[Corinne]

Hi.

[Sabrina]

Hey, everyone.

[Corinne]

Welcome to Two Girls, One Ghost. Two girls, One Ghost.

[Sabrina]

We are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

[Corinne]

Just trying to get comfortable.

[Sabrina]

I'm Sabrina. And if you're watching the video beside us, between us, is our beloved member of the Two Girls One Ghost universe, Sven. If not the most important member of

[Corinne]

the universe, the embodiment.

[Sabrina]

This might be Sven. We don't know. Like, Sven could be possessing the skeleton.

[Corinne]

That's true.

[Sabrina]

This is your vessel. If you want it to be, you can quite destroy.

[Corinne]

Play with this knob like every single recording.

[Sabrina]

That's what she said.

[Corinne]

Yuck.

[Sabrina]

Yucky. Yucky. Okay, we actually teased this episode a long time. Not long ago.

[Corinne]

Two Encounters ago.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. But we themed this based on a place near and dear. Very near. Literally near and dear to our hearts.

[Corinne]

Because we live here like an atom distance away.

[Sabrina]

Like we are existing within it. It's New England.

[Corinne]

It's my house.

[Sabrina]

No, we have enough stories from just this house to fill an episode.

[Corinne]

Yeah, we do.

[Sabrina]

But yeah, we were like, let's get encounters from the New England area. And my goodness, do we have so many? And you teased you have to go first. You have to do the one first.

[Corinne]

No, I'm saving it for Patreon. Oh, well, for anyone who didn't listen to Two Encounters ago, there was a story sent in from our listener, Liv, and they knew I was from Vermont, but didn't know what town I was from. And they're like, oh my gosh, I just moved to Vermont recently too. And we moved to this Town, my hometown. And I worked at this grocery store. And here are my hauntings from the grocery store. My grocery store growing up.

[Sabrina]

And it's haunting.

[Corinne]

So I freaked the fuck out. I called my mom. She was talking to her friend. I had everyone like three way call. I'm talking about all the stories that she experienced. And we're all freaking out that our local grocery store that we have been to countless times is haunted.

[Sabrina]

Okay, so now we all have to wait.

[Corinne]

Yeah, sorry.

[Sabrina]

Even I have to wait. And I'm sad about it.

[Corinne]

It's not. It's not even at the end. It's just if you're on Patreon, you get to immediately go click on Patreon

[Sabrina]

and listen on Patreon and play. Okay, well, then I guess I'll go first. You go first. Okay, which one do I want to do first? Do you want demon sleep paralysis or Elementals?

[Corinne]

Ooh, let's start with elementals.

[Sabrina]

Okay, great.

[Corinne]

I feel like that's less visited.

[Sabrina]

Okay, this is from our listener, Natalie, and yeah, it's called Haunted New England Road Elementals. Hello, Corinne, Sabrina and Leia. I've been listening to your podcast for several months. Oh, this was sent back in 2019, by the way too.

[Corinne]

Oh, wow.

[Sabrina]

It helps me get through my long drives on the California freeways while I drive my daughter back and forth to gymnastics training six days a week.

[Corinne]

Geezer in the Olympics.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, maybe.

[Corinne]

It's a lot of practice.

[Sabrina]

That's how my sister was with figure skating. I just listened to your episode on Haunted Disneyland, and boy, could I add to your episode because, well, I worked the night shift there for seven years and I was what Disney would consider a 911 operator. There are so many more hauntings and all of the make a wish kids that sadly pass away in hotels or there's also countless deaths by suicide at the hotels. But I'll save those for another email. Oh, my gosh, we should revisit Disney. Cause it's.

[Corinne]

Yeah, yeah, but. Yeah, no, please, please send those if you haven't already.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, but today I have a story that is kind of long, but I promise it's worth it. And it's creepy. So. A few years ago, my husband and I took our three kids to Maine to visit my parents for a few days after Christmas. Now we live in Southern California, so this was quite a. A journey and also quite a shock to us with the weather. We flew into the Boston.

[Corinne]

Whoa.

[Sabrina]

We flew the Boston into the Boston. Doesn't say that.

[Corinne]

That's very California. The. The 405 does.

[Sabrina]

It does not say that at all in the email. We flew into Boston, which is my favorite city, but it was also cheaper than flying into Bar harbor. And I also wanted to force my husband to see Boston. So we spent the night and then started out to Maine the next morning.

[Corinne]

It's a long drive to Bar Harbor.

[Sabrina]

I had never been to my father's house since we had lost touch for quite a few years and had just reconnected maybe five years prior to this trip. So I punched in the address to the iPhone and it gave us the route. I called my dad to verify that the route was correct and that it was also the best way. And he said, yep, that's right. So we start driving. Everything's good other than being in a car with three children. We get about 45 minutes away, and all of a sudden we find ourselves on this desolate road. And we noticed there are no other cars on this road, and it's starting to ice over because apparently it's not traveled much, so it's not usually plowed. Unfortunately, we have no other choice but to continue forward and take it slow. Not only that, but there was absolutely no cell signal, so we couldn't even tell my dad that we were running late. The thing is, our GPS on our phone never rerouted like it usually would if it takes you on the wrong route. It just kept going, but never showed us that it was rerouting, which was weird. And this has never ever happened since. Like, they went, they took the wrong road, but it didn't course correct. So we finally get to my dad's and tell him we got stuck on some side road, but we didn't know the area well, so we couldn't tell him what road we were on. He didn't know what it was. Fast forward to later that week. So, because it's winter in New England, we had been stuck in the house. And so my husband and I decided to take the kids on a day trip to Bangor, Maine, to do a little bit of sightseeing and of course,

[Corinne]

have lobster and see Stephen King's house.

[Sabrina]

Of course, my dad lives in Harrington, Maine, so we mapped it out on the iPhone and had no issues getting there. Had a great time. When we decided to return to my dad's, I put his address into the gps, confirmed the route, and it was the same route we took to Bangor, Maine, which was all highways, main roads. It literally showed the exact route we had come, is the exact route we were going back. So I called my dad and let him know we were on our way back and headed off. We drove, we talked, enjoyed the New England scenery, talked about what we were going to do for the rest of the trip, and I was keeping an eye on the directions while my husband drove. I'd give him updates on where to turn, how far until the next turn, you know. But then time goes by, it's getting dark, and now we notice we're the only vehicle on the road and have been for some time. I'm like, have you seen another car lately? And my husband goes, actually, no, I haven't seen another car or another person. And then we both realize we don't have cell signal Spooky. He asks if we're going the right way, and I tell him that the directions never rerouted us, that it says we're going to my dad's. But as we keep driving, this road keeps getting more and more desolate and creepy. This is not the road we had taken to Bangor, Maine. The trees were growing over the road, forming this canopy, and. And all of a sudden, fog began rolling in.

[Corinne]

Oh, so Stephen King.

[Sabrina]

There was no other light aside from our headlights. And it was a very, very spooky combination. My husband, who is a complete skeptic in the paranormal, says, babe, I have this feeling that someone or something is watching us. If I see anything, I am not going to stop. Which obviously everyone in the car hears that and freaks out, right? I look to the GPS and screenshot the area for future reference so that we can show my dad where we were when we get cell signal. The road was Route 182, otherwise known as Black's Wood Road, and we were near an area called Fox Pond. So we're all freaked the f out. We're driving, and all of a sudden, keep in mind, we're on a desolate road, have not seen any other cars or any other people in miles. When we see a woman walking in a long coat along the side of the road. My husband says, fuck that, and keeps driving. We see a few scattered houses around, so we're thinking, whatever. But maybe five minutes later, we see what appears to be the exact same woman five minutes later, much further down

[Corinne]

the road in the fog, too. So creepy.

[Sabrina]

And this time she turns her head and smiles at us, but her eyes are sunken in and her mouth is big and creepy and her hair is black and matted.

[Corinne]

What the fuck? Why did my mind immediately go to Mermaid?

[Sabrina]

Because it's like, Maine, coastal town.

[Corinne]

Yeah. No.

[Sabrina]

Terrifying. My husband and I looked at each other and we both could tell we could see the same thing, and we were horrified. Thankfully, the kids didn't see it. And my husband goes, hey, kids, why don't you go to sleep really quick?

[Corinne]

Let's play a game. How quickly can everyone close their eyes?

[Sabrina]

Eventually, we get off that road and get back to my dad's, who was worried sick about us because he couldn't get in touch with us. And we were supposed to be back way sooner than we'd actually gotten back. We told him what had happened, and he looked like he had seen a ghost. This guy has seen some shit. He was special ops in the military in Vietnam and worked for our government out of Langley. Wink, wink. So for him to look concerned was scary. We get everyone inside, we warm up, we tell him our story. And he tells me that the road we were on is known to be haunted, and locals avoid it.

[Corinne]

Well, that's why there were no cars.

[Sabrina]

He said he's not surprised.

[Corinne]

It's foggy. People don't want to be on the road.

[Sabrina]

What is this woman? Who is she?

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

He said he's not surprised that our GPS malfunctioned like that, because GPS devices have been known to send people onto that road if you aren't aware of the area. Meaning the ghosts, not the gps.

[Corinne]

Are you kidding me? So you have to consciously, like, know where you're going and where to avoid it.

[Sabrina]

Where to avoid, yeah. My dad was just so happy we were all safe, but. So now for the legend. This haunting goes way back. There are supposed to be elementals haunting these woods, and they've been here for millennia. There's a professor from. I don't know how to pronounce this. Ma Kias University who took some students into the woods to investigate. And they apparently had some really interesting things happen. And you can look up the story, but they concluded the woods were haunted by an elemental force, which is what I think messed with our GPS twice. And what we felt was haunting us or watching us. Then the other haunting is the haunting at Catherine's Hill. The story goes, and there are several versions, but I'll just share this one. That in the 1920s, during Prohibition, when wealthy people would travel down east for drinking parties, they would go to a nearby lodge. And apparently there was a young girl named Catherine who was riding in a car with a male companion. They were coming around the road near Fox Pond. The man lost control of the car and crashed into the water. Unfortunately, Catherine was beheaded.

[Corinne]

Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[Sabrina]

And apparently there is still a model T at the Bottom of Fox Pond to this day. So the legend is, and this part freaked me out, is that anyone seeing the spirit of Catherine must stop and offer her a ride. And then the legend says, woe to those who don't, for the phantom will curse them, and soon afterward, they will die. So, as you can see, I'm still alive and as is everyone else in my car. And it's been four years. But was that Catherine? I don't know. It was for sure creepy, and I definitely would classify it as paranormal. There's apparently a book written about the area, since it's all haunted. And it's called Dark Chill Waters by Marcus Labrizi. Thanks for reading my story. I have sent a few other stories, but, yeah, hopefully you enjoy this one. It's super scary. Kiss Leia for me. See you on the other side, Natalie.

[Corinne]

I mean, I know that I'm just thinking of Stephen King because it's in the general region of Bangor, but this did remind me a little bit of. Wasn't it a Stephen King book? Like in the Tall Grass or What was that one where it's, like, Disappear into the corn? 19.

[Sabrina]

Hold on. You're combining a bunch of them.

[Corinne]

Okay, hold on, hold on. Where it's like, they go into the corn, and then they. People keep coming, but there's, like, time periods.

[Sabrina]

Children of the Corn.

[Corinne]

I wasn't thinking of Children of the Corn. Maybe it's not Stephen King.

[Sabrina]

I mean, Stephen King has written how many books? So I'm.

[Corinne]

Yeah, I know. There's so many. They're on, like, a road trip, basically. I don't know if they're on a road trip, but, like, they pass. There's, like, a building across the street, and I think they, like, might stop at it to, like, try to pee or something. And then they hear something in the corn, and they go into the corn, and then they get lost in the corn.

[Sabrina]

That sounds like most Stephen King books. Like, they start with, like, a family on a road trip. They stop and something horrible happens.

[Corinne]

They can't get out of the corn, and there's, like, time warps, and they're, like, meeting themselves, but also meeting other people who have come to look for them.

[Sabrina]

If it doesn't exist, then you need to make it happen, because it exists.

[Corinne]

I've literally. I even. Oh, it's in the Tall Grass. No, it's based on Stephen King.

[Sabrina]

Okay, There you go.

[Corinne]

It's a movie from 2019.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Corinne]

Based on what book? Let's see. Oh, right. Same name. It's based on in the Tall Grass, which was a novella that he wrote with his son.

[Sabrina]

Love it.

[Corinne]

Anyway, it reminded me of that.

[Sabrina]

It took a minute to get there

[Corinne]

for us to get there, but, yeah.

[Sabrina]

I mean, all of New England does remind me of Stephen King, because one Stephen King took a lot of inspiration from New England, which is where he lives, and it's haunted af. I do feel like when you think about Appalachia, like, it's a very specific genre of hauntings. Right. It's, like, creepy, like, ancient watching you. Wood spirits.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

Or, like, nature spirits. It's like otherworldly cryptids and stuff. But, like, when you think of New England, it is weird.

[Corinne]

It's almost like psychological horror.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Where, like, you don't know what your reality is. It's less of, like.

[Sabrina]

And so many legends.

[Corinne]

Yes. And I feel like there's a lot of, like, time warps and, like, you become an unreliable narrator or, like, the people around you. It is very mentally tricky.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Which might just be a nod to

[Sabrina]

my favorite type of seasonal depression as well. My favorite type of horror.

[Corinne]

Okay. We theme this New England, and I took that as Vermont. So all my stories take place in Vermont.

[Sabrina]

They're all Vermont. I think I picked one in Vermont, too, because I remember. Did you? For Corinne, I'll pick a Vermont one.

[Corinne]

At first I was like, New Hampshire, Maine. And then I was like, no, just Vermont. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Just remember right now, I don't include. I don't consider New Jersey New England.

[Corinne]

Well, because it's not okay.

[Sabrina]

I just want to make sure it

[Corinne]

is literally not okay.

[Sabrina]

I agree, but I feel like some people are like, oh, you're from New England. I'm like, no, I'm not.

[Corinne]

No, she's from the Northeast. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Connecticut is another story.

[Sabrina]

No, I don't think Connecticut's part of New England either.

[Corinne]

It's technically part of New England, but

[Sabrina]

I don't view it as.

[Corinne]

Some people in Connecticut don't view it as either.

[Sabrina]

Interesting.

[Corinne]

And, like, it has a weird reputation New England does include.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Corinne]

Like, if we go by technicality, it includes Connecticut.

[Sabrina]

I don't go by technicality.

[Corinne]

I go by feeling the feelings of Connecticut. Not truly part of New England belongs.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Corinne]

The one part New Jersey, New York

[Sabrina]

of Connecticut that I do view as part of New England is the conjuring house. Or is that Rhode Island?

[Corinne]

That's Rhode Island.

[Sabrina]

Okay. So the little town next to where, like, where we stayed at the chicken farm. Yeah. I view that as.

[Corinne]

So, like, the border. The northern border of Connecticut can. Can be we go by our rules.

[Sabrina]

Anyway, moving on. Vermont. Vermont, which we know for a fact is New England.

[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

Yeah, she is.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

Corinne and Sabrina, fun fact. Actually grew up in the same town as Corinne, but we didn't know each other. She was a couple years older than me. Oh, I was.

[Sabrina]

Oh, but did she know you?

[Corinne]

But I remembered her face and name when I discovered the podcast a couple years ago.

[Sabrina]

Ooh.

[Corinne]

Anyway, I wanted to share a creepy experience with you that took place at my mom's family's house in Essex, Vermont, which is the town next to where me and Kristen grew up, which is Wellston, Vermont.

[Sabrina]

Love it.

[Corinne]

My mom's parents owned this big house in Essex in the early 1900s. It was a. I don't even know what this means. A preventorium. Maybe it's like a prevention sanatorium or something. Because she writes, this is where people with tuberculosis could send their children to prevent their kids from getting sick. Oh, interesting. I've never heard that.

[Sabrina]

Oh, me neither. Wait, that means that place, like, has so much, like, energy, right? Oh, how sad. Yeah.

[Corinne]

Many kids who went there were very sick when they arrived, and some ended up dying there from their ailments and from poor health. It closed down in the early 20s. A couple bought it, and then 30 years or so later, my grandparents bought it from them. Perfect. It's where my mom and her 11 siblings grew up. That's insane. Holy shit. My mom had always told me creepy stories about flickering lights, hearing faint sounds of children crying. That was not from any of her siblings.

[Sabrina]

That's so sad, because that would be hard to differentiate if you have 11 siblings. Yeah.

[Corinne]

And random cold spots throughout the house and on the outside porches. Even in the summer, the porches are where they would have the kids sleep in the winter for cool, fresh air. How does that mean?

[Sabrina]

It got too hot in the house,

[Corinne]

but also you would die. How do you live through a Vermont winter? Sleeping outside?

[Sabrina]

I thought it was a porch.

[Corinne]

Like, is it a finished.

[Sabrina]

Like, I imagine it's like a sun room type of situation porch, but I don't know.

[Corinne]

I never seen a.

[Sabrina]

Listen, my apartment in Boston is so hot. And, like, I have no control over the temperature. Like, I just have radiators. My room is so hot. That I have slept with my window open the entire winter.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Sabrina]

And I'm. I run very cold, like, you know.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Yeah, you do.

[Sabrina]

For me to sleep with my window open in winter, that's how hot it is.

[Corinne]

Dang. Yeah. At the time, people believed that being outside had a healing benefit for tuberculosis. All of her stories led me to be very creeped out by the house. And in my lifetime, my grandparents didn't live there, but they did sell the house. And my grandfather's business was attached to the house to one of my mom's older brothers, who then raised his family there. And they still live there today.

[Sabrina]

I was gonna say. When I heard sold the house, I was so sad, because I was like, oh, I wish it. We could know more about it, but they still own it. It's in the family.

[Corinne]

I have a very vivid memory from when I was eight of calling my uncle and asking him to buy girl scout cookies. And since he was a salesman by trade, he told me that I had to come sell them to him in person. So my mom drove the 15 minutes to his house, made me knock on the door, and give him a sales pitch.

[Sabrina]

I love that.

[Corinne]

The house had seen some better days. It was old. Nothing had been updated since my grandparents had moved in the 50s. And I also remember it being super dark, like how in some movies and shows, no matter how bright you make your screen, you still can't really see what's going on. Is that an HBO problem or is that just.

[Sabrina]

That's a TV problem.

[Corinne]

Is it like.

[Sabrina]

I feel like a lot of TV shows are just filmed much darker nowadays. Yes.

[Corinne]

I feel like a lot of HBO shows, like, the.

[Sabrina]

It's like the Moody.

[Corinne]

I can't see anything. Yeah, but it was like that in real life. No matter how many lights were on, it was still dark. At this point, I didn't know much of the history of the house, but I remember it always gave me the crepes. My mom and my aunt had gone off to talk in the kitchen, and I managed to sell my uncle some cookies in the living room.

[Sabrina]

They're like, we'll leave you to this. Do your sales pitch.

[Corinne]

He left me alone to go get some money, and I remember a rush of cold air passing by me and then all of a sudden, getting the feeling that someone was watching me.

[Sabrina]

They wanted cookies too, right?

[Corinne]

Don't forget me. I want my. Oh, they all changed their names, so I don't even know the names anymore. I know. I turned around, assuming it was my mom, and no one was in the room with me. I distinctly remember all of the little hairs on my arms standing up and my shoulders tensing up to my ears. It all of a sudden felt like all of the eyes in the family photos on the walls were now staring at me. The temperature dropped to below freezing. I feel like I remember seeing my breath when I breathed out, like you do when it's cold out. But maybe I just had an overactive imagination. I remember calling for my mom, but it felt like my voice couldn't project. And it just kind of came out as a little whisper and it felt like time had slowed down. And then all of a sudden, my uncle walked back in and everything went back to normal. After that, I remember only when the

[Sabrina]

ghosts were like, finally, he's gone.

[Corinne]

I want the lemon, I want the

[Sabrina]

caramel with the chocolate. It's kind of like when, like kids, like, behave the second, like an adult comes in.

[Corinne]

Yeah, they stop hitting me. Yeah. After that, I remember only going to go see my uncle at work. I would make sure my mom would bring me when she knew that he was at the shop working because I didn't ever want to have to go to his house again. Oh. As I got older, my mom told me more stories from things that she remembered from growing up there. Things that were very similar to what I experienced. And it solidified that I wasn't crazy. And I did experience exactly what had happened. I still shiver anytime I drive by this house. Also, after that encounter, I started dreaming about my mom's oldest brother, who died when I was four. The dreams were so vivid that I believed that they were actually memories. But when I would ask my mom about it when I got older, she told me that those things had never happened. For example, one was my uncle driving up to my childhood home. And we had a sliding glass door that faced the driveway. So I remember standing there pressing my face against the glass and him getting out of the driver's side door and making faces at me before coming into the house. I thought that this was something that had actually happened for years, until I was 17. We were going through my grandparents house because both of them had passed away at this point. And I brought up this memory to my mom. She said my uncle had never been to our house when I was alive and he definitely could not have driven himself because he was legally blind for the last five years of his life, so he wasn't able to drive himself anywhere. After the years passed and more of the family passed away, I would have extremely vivid dreams about them as well.

[Sabrina]

Wait, they're all coming to visit you?

[Corinne]

I know crazy dreams by my grandma and my uncles and my cousins have all passed that all feel like memories but have never actually happened.

[Sabrina]

I would argue they are memories because they have actually happened. They're just happening in the. In the dream, dream, astral, whatever, paranormal realm.

[Corinne]

The dreams have slowed down since I've gotten older, but I still remember them all. So, yeah, that's my creepy experience of my mom's child at home and former preventorium. I'm struggling with that word. Stay spooky. Kristen.

[Sabrina]

Kristen, that's amazing. I love this story and this house.

[Corinne]

I know. It's also, I mean, I guess it's like a private residence because I was like, how did I not hear of this? But it's, it's a private residence. It's not like it's like some restaurant or something where you're like, oh, here's the, like, interesting lore. Should we go get pizza there?

[Sabrina]

Right? I have. I think this is my Vermont one. Let's see. I don't know. It's New England. So like me do, it's got demons from our listener, Hunter, and it is called Demonic Wine Delivery. Ooh. Yeah. I thought like, this was a fun, fun little spin story that we don't really get to hear. Greetings, ghostesses. My name is Hunter and I was at your October Arts of the Armory show and meet and greet in Massachusetts with my girlfriend Kenzie for our two year anniversary. I have a few personal stories, so does my girlfriend. But something happened very recently involving my parents and Kenzie and I were like, we have to email the girls about it. I hope you enjoy. For context, my mom is a witchy woman, very in tune with the spiritual realm and a firm believer in the afterlife and is just generally very open to that world. She's also very religious. And this is a woman who knows things before you utter a word to anyone. She's found out about pregnancy announcements in her dreams before anyone was ever told. She is the real deal. And my dad is a believer because of what he's seen from my mom. He doesn't have the gifts that she does, but he's seen her gifts in action. Okay, so my dad does wine deliveries for a company that goes through all of New England. He uses a van, he does pickups, drop offs, and then he'll usually bring my mom along for company when she has nothing to do. No, this is not allowed. But it's our secret. So before his shift on a Monday morning and my mom went to a morning mass for the grandkids, my niece and nephew. As they were part of the mass. He was holding my other youngest baby niece and she was conked out asleep when he went up for the blessing, he was holding my baby niece. The priest gave her a blessing and then turned to my dad and said, you look like you need this. And proceeded to bless him. Excuse me, this is not a priest any of us have ever met before. My dad did not hear him say that to all anyone else, but he just chalked it up to something harmless. After mass it was time for my dad's shift. He has a very set schedule and a list of places that he never deviates from unless someone quits or something unforeseen happens for no known reason. He was told he had to have one extra stop to an area that is not known to be very safe. He figured it's one extra stop that means extra money. Let's do it. No worries. It was his first stop and this was a Monday and Mondays are for pickups and as context, his boss orders the cases and my dad goes to pick them up and then brings them back to the warehouse to be delivered later in the week. So for the places he's familiar with, it's so easy. They have a process, they have it ready for him. Very smooth. This first place though, was not like that. My mom and dad arrive in the van to this new place and for 10 minutes they search for where they're supposed to be picking it up. Finally, after 10 minutes, someone from inside opens the door and signals to my dad to come on over to drive his car to the front entrance. So he backs his van up to the entrance and already this worker's giving my dad some attitude, telling him he needs to park better and park closer and just being annoying. Something to know is that my dad is a little hot headed, so this was a match made in hell. He already hates this guy, so my dad gives a look to my mom, basically saying this is going to get ugly. I can tell. He goes into the building to see tall stacks of cases on top of pallets, but they're not supposed to be on pallets. My dad picks up however many individual cases, loads them into the van so he can make a proper space for them in the back. He's a big guy, so this is not a problem for him, but this worker is giving him lip, sounding entitled, being like, you don't even have a hand truck. How unprofessional. Like why unnecessary?

[Corinne]

Yeah, why is that your business?

[Sabrina]

So that set my dad off, and he unleashed. Now they're going back and forth about how, no, you're wrong, no, you're wrong, blah, blah, blah. Naturally, my dad was correct. Plus, my dad was supposed to pick up 20 cases and this guy only had 18. So my dad was like, you're trying to rip us off. Anyway, they get in a fight. So now the wine is packaged incorrectly, less than ordered. They're going back and forth. Worse. It's getting worse and worse between the two of them. And my dad said that it felt like they genuinely wanted to kill each other but didn't know why. That is, how bad the tension between them was getting. And it was just the two of them in the building while my mom was waiting in the car. Now, ordinarily, someone in her position would have no idea what's going on inside, but my mom is not ordinary. So when she gets these, like, hits, she'll make notes for herself on her phone. So, like, if she wakes up in the middle of the night, she'll document dreams and try to make sense of them in the morning. So she's sitting in the van when all of a sudden she gets a strange feeling. So she pulls up her notes and writes down what she's getting. But this time she only writes emojis. These are the emojis, smiley faces with the glasses, the person talking. Then like a little like semi angry face. The next one's that same angry face but now red. Then that same angry face but with like, the cursing over its mouth. And then the last one is a demon. This is a very random assortment of emojis, right? Well, the nerdy one is accurate in the way that this guy had glasses and spoke like an entitled asshole. The second one represents the back and forth yapping between my dad and this guy. 3 and 4 and 5, of course, represent the angry yelling and swearing that these two were going back and forth with. Keep in mind, my mom is inside the van. She does not know what's happening inside the building with my dad. Oh, yeah, but the last one is the craziest. Why would she put the devil? What did she know? What did she feel? So now back inside the building, my mom is totally unaware of what's happening. The back and forth continues between my dad and the other guy, and something horrified my dad. I will reiterate, my dad is a big guy, very strong, hot headed, not afraid of confrontation. He will defend himself and his family very happily and never back down. But something in this interaction scared him. The arguing stopped. And now they're staring at each other, staring each other down. My dad is taller. My dad, he's looking down to the sky, very close in proximity. But then my dad backs up a couple feet, scared, because the man before him, his eyes slowly glazed over and were now appearing black.

[Corinne]

Holy shit.

[Sabrina]

Staring back at my dad. So now the final emoji makes itself known. Was there something demonic possessing that man? But here's the thing. This is not the end of the story. As my dad is seeing the black eyes of this other man staring back at him out of nowhere from that flat pillar of wine cases. One of the wine cases literally flies off of the palate and shatters across the floor.

[Corinne]

This is also so scary because I feel like in warehouses there are so few people working that something could go horribly wrong, right?

[Sabrina]

My dad looks over to the loud breaking, looks back at the guy. His eyes are now normal and he's smiling as if friendly, as if the whole confrontation that they just had never happened. And all of a sudden this guy is like cracking jokes with my dad and being friendly. Once my dad leaves, he picks up what he needs and he immediately goes to talk to my mom, frantically saying, you are not going to believe this. But she cuts him off. I already know. I have it written down here and shows him the emojis. We all to this day are like, what did that priest know? Was he blessing my father to keep him safe from this eventual demonic force he met? And how does my mom know everything? I'll also add a short story from my mom that she told us after. From when she was in high school, she was over at this girl's house for the first time ever. Parents weren't home, but the younger brother was. For whatever reason, this girl was arguing with my mom and being rude when eventually she left the room. So now my mom is just making conversation with the younger brother. But for some reason, she leaves the room to go find the girl. But she wishes she didn't, because when she finds her, this girl is in another room holding some type of book with a knife in hand and her eyes appeared black. She immediately backed off to go tell the brother and said, listen, I'm not staying here. You should call your parents to come home. And when they do, I will leave. She did that, walked a few miles to another friend's house and has not told anyone until now. Anyway, those are my stories. Stay spooky, Hunter.

[Corinne]

Oh, what the fuck? That is so scary.

[Sabrina]

It also just feels like maybe like the guy at the warehouse wasn't possessed, but like, some dark energy. Because it almost seems like the dark energy took over both Hunter's dad and the guy. Like, they both were so angry with each other without even, like, really knowing why.

[Corinne]

And then for the guy to, like, kind of just flip a switch and then suddenly be like. Like, that's the creepiest part.

[Sabrina]

But then it's also, like, did something positive intervene to break the wine? To, like, shatter the possession?

[Corinne]

Yeah. The, like, trance that they were both in and over a couple cases of wine and, like, the truck being different from what the guy expected.

[Sabrina]

But then the priest saying, it seems like you need this.

[Corinne]

That's a good priest.

[Sabrina]

That's a good priest. I wish that they did know this priest so that they could go back and ask him. Be like, hey, what did you mean when you said that to me? What did you see? Damn crazy. Why do I feel like your mom has experienced a lot of, like, demonic things?

[Corinne]

That's the thing. There's a lot of black eyes in this story.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I don't like that. Which reminds me, what costume was it? Oh, it was for when I did salad fingers. I got those, like, white contact lenses. Yeah, but they literally are, like, pure white that they make you blind.

[Corinne]

Yeah, it was. You were so committed to it, and then you couldn't. Once you put your mask on, you couldn't even see your eyes at all.

[Sabrina]

Well, I was only using. Yeah, because I was only. I only put one in. I was like, wait, I literally can't wear these because I need to read.

[Corinne]

I hate those.

[Sabrina]

Because I've always wanted to wear the, like, the black ones for a Halloween costume, but they probably do the same.

[Corinne]

Well, I don't know. Maybe not.

[Sabrina]

It's like, the full lens is black. Other contacts, like colored contacts, they have a hole where your pupil is. It's just the iris that's colored.

[Corinne]

Oh, yeah. And that's just full black. How does that work? There are people who wear them on stage, like performers and stuff. So you must be able to see them.

[Sabrina]

They're just blind.

[Corinne]

There's no way.

[Sabrina]

Or they have ones that have the hole for the pupil. Yeah, because your pupil's already black. You don't need to change your eyes.

[Corinne]

I want you to do it.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

Okay. I have one called the Bennington Alum and the Ouija Board.

[Sabrina]

Bennington Triangle. We know about that. Hey, I actually remember that Episode number. Episode 318. I don't know.

[Corinne]

Why does it stick out in your mind? Because we did it twice?

[Sabrina]

No, I just know that number. Oh. Like, I visualize it. I see it.

[Corinne]

See, it's you in the numbers. That's it.

[Sabrina]

Nothing else exists.

[Corinne]

You've said it. Like, I didn't want to point it out because I've pointed it out. I feel like a few times in recent history, but even like a couple episodes ago, you're like, I think it was. And you, like, listed a number.

[Sabrina]

There's certain episodes that the numbers just stick in my head.

[Corinne]

It's so fascinating. I don't remember a single one. What are we recording right now?

[Sabrina]

3, 27, 28. 328.

[Corinne]

Hey, ladies. I've been listening to your backlog to help get through some crazy long projects. It has been awesome. Especially like, the Bennington and Appalachian episodes. I attended Bennington College from 2014 to 2018.

[Sabrina]

Damn.

[Corinne]

My college friends and I refer to our time there as, quote, the weirdest summer camp ever. Or quote the collective four years of a fever dream.

[Sabrina]

That's a good way to describe college in general.

[Corinne]

For me, the best thing about Bennington was how safe it felt at night. I'm a chronic insomniac, so I'd frequently wander around the campus at like 2, 3am smoking, listening to music. I've since quit smoking. Hooray. The only few times that I felt uneasy was when I was passing Jennings. The music building. I feel like the music buildings are always haunted. It's like the theater and the music

[Sabrina]

building because you're like, pouring your soul into art.

[Corinne]

Yeah, there's just a lot of anxiety, I think, with the students in those genres. It used to belong to the farm owners who gifted Bennington the land that it was built on. And when the last of the family passed, they left the manor to the school. That's so cool. It's an old stone building covered with ivy, about a mile from the rest of campus. And it's absolutely, absolutely beautiful. And because it's an unhinged college, the building is actually open 247 for students to access the practice rooms.

[Sabrina]

That makes sense.

[Corinne]

There's a large field beside the road that goes up there. And whenever I would take my late night walks, I'd notice a light bobbing and weaving through the trees on the other side. I never went to go Investigate. I never really gave it much mind, but Appalachian rules because we're in Vermont, baby. Rule number one, mind your business. Passing the building Jennings always gave me the feeling of being watched. The students would say that the building is haunted by old Mrs. Jennings who supposedly died by suicide on the front balcony of this home. And I can't verify that, but there is some serious energy around the place. Once or twice I did see a woman looking out the windows and she was gone whenever I did the double take. But maybe it was just a student doing some late night practice. Who knows? I always gave the building a nod and I would quickly walk by. Mind your business, all that. Okay. So one night in 2017, me and my buddy Nick, we decided that we are interested in trying a Ouija board, as you do. It's the most haunted building in Vermont, so why not go there? So we went, we tried a few practice rooms, but we didn't get much. A lot of random circles, miscellaneous letters. The vibe was very much like so

[Sabrina]

many spirits were all trying to come through and they couldn't decide, yeah, oh, this way. There.

[Corinne]

The vibe was very much, leave me alone, I'm practicing. Fair enough. Okay. Then we found a very spooky hallway and the vibe here was off. So we decide to try one last time. Girls. We got coherent answers. Oh my God. I wrote it all down in a text to my friend and I've attached the screenshots because it's quite a lot. We got a name, Alan. We got dates, a reason why he was there. He asked if he could come with us and we said no, he couldn't come with us, but could we bring him anything? And he said gin. So we said, okay, goodbye and left. We burned the Ouija board after burnt it.

[Sabrina]

Did you bring him gin?

[Corinne]

Well, we're getting there.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Corinne]

But ladies, in the stress of exam, we forgot to bring him his gin.

[Sabrina]

No.

[Corinne]

And my life blew up after that. Misfortune after misfortune. I actually had to leave school for a bit due to some mental health struggles.

[Sabrina]

Oh my gosh.

[Corinne]

And this went on for years and I was just in this funk I could not shake. And then I remembered Allen and his gin. And I thought, maybe I'm being haunted because I never brought him his booze. In 2021, I was in New York visiting some friends and I decided to drive up to Bennington to buy this guy his gin and to at least put my mind to rest. I wasn't convinced that this haunting was real, but it would make me feel better. It would Be worth it.

[Sabrina]

And if it is real, at least maybe you could put it an end. Yeah, right.

[Corinne]

So I drove the 4ish hours up to get there. I got the gin 15 minutes before the liquor store closed. And then I drove up to the campus. It was dark, it was late by the time I got there. I parked in my old parking lot. I walked the same routes I used to when I was a student. And it was very healing, actually. Aw. No one bothered me. It was just like my little nighttime walks that I had taken before. So I got up to Jennings and felt the way that I always did there. I went in feeling like an intruder, since I didn't know if alums were actually technically allowed. But I found the hallway. I had bought a shot glass, so I took a shot, I poured another, and then I set it on the floor. Then I said, hi there. I know it's years late, but I brought your gin. I'm sorry it took so long. Are we good? And I swear to you, something touched my ankle for a moment.

[Sabrina]

Why do I hate. Because it feels like it's crawling on the ground.

[Corinne]

Probably to pick up the.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, he's trying to come down here for the gin.

[Corinne]

He grabs it and gives a little. Little like, hey, thanks. I sat with it until the feeling went away. And then I left, leaving the bottle on the floor next to the shot class. On my way out, I ran into a teacher, and he must have been new because I didn't recognize him. He said, I thought you were the Jennings ghost. And then he asked me if I was okay, if maybe I needed to come to his office to talk. I waved it off a little freaked, and I told him, hey, I was just an alum, I'm visiting old stomping grounds. And I beat a hasty retreat out of there. I almost wish I had talked to him, but there we are. I'm not going to say my life was magically better after this, but it did feel like a big weight was lifted from me. And I feel better knowing that I kept my word. My depression got a lot better after that, too. But maybe it was just the visit to Bennington and getting a chance to properly say goodbye. Closure does do wonders. Anyway, that is my big Bennington ghost story.

[Sabrina]

Wow.

[Corinne]

We've got some others, but none that I've experienced personally. Of course, there were always rumors about the Goat Boy, our school cryptid, but I could never find anything more than, oh, it's just I love that boy with a goat's head that lives in the woods by campus of course.

[Sabrina]

Of course he does.

[Corinne]

Keep up the spooky work. All the best, Victoria.

[Sabrina]

Damn. I mean, I'm kind of pissed at Alan if it is connect. I'm. I'm glad that Victoria, like, you have been able to heal and stuff, but, like, I'm kind of pissed if Alan took that much revenge on you for you not following through with Jin.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

One little glass of Djinn is not worth tormenting someone over. A lot of ghosts are using alcohol this episode.

[Corinne]

That's true. I'm also, like, it's kind of shorthand, because in the text, it's like, we weren't there, so we don't totally know. But in the creepy hallway, this is what was written in the text to remember the Ouija board session.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Corinne]

Hi there. I'm Allen Edwards. I came here in 1969 when I was 20. I died when I was 27. I'm here because a man is here. I hate him. His name is Hugh. He slandered my name. And something about a retired woman named Delia.

[Sabrina]

Huh.

[Corinne]

I'm so sad. What makes me happy? Talk. I want a drink. What drink? Don't go. You are leaving. May I leave with you? No. I'm so sad. Trying to spell something, but it didn't make sense. Lots of spelling mistakes, huh? You're really leaving? Fine. Goodbye.

[Sabrina]

Wait. Poor Alan. Who's Hugh?

[Corinne]

I don't know. But, like, vengeance is a bitch. And if clearly he wants to fuck you, Hugh. I'm gonna spend my afterlife coming after you.

[Sabrina]

Damn it.

[Corinne]

Sounds like Hugh was still there, right? That's what I mean.

[Sabrina]

Well, it seemed like he was scared of Hugh, though.

[Corinne]

So now I'm like, well, no, he slandered his name. I think he's there to haunt Hugh.

[Sabrina]

Oh, like he's still alive.

[Corinne]

Like, I think he's there. I think he's there to torment Hugh.

[Sabrina]

Allen, stop tormenting people. Damn freaking Hugh. That's wild. Now I'm curious if anyone goes to Bennington. Go find that hallway and see if you can talk to Alan.

[Corinne]

Yeah. In the Jennings building.

[Sabrina]

Bring him some gin. Bring an offering and see if he's still there. I'm also curious since, like, they got, like, a full name. Allen Edwards. I'm curious if you could find record of someone who. I don't know the year of, like, when that school was a school, but 1969 is when they had.

[Corinne]

Yeah, he came here in 1969.

[Sabrina]

Curious. Okay, I have one. Let's see. It's called the Enfield Shaker Museum in New Hampshire. Hello. I just finished listening to your first encounters from 2026 about college hauntings and it reminded me that I needed to send you this story. Although it's not about a college. I currently live in Edinburgh, Scotland, but I am from Ohio originally and used to live in New England where I was working in historic preservation trades.

[Corinne]

Ooh, that's cool.

[Sabrina]

Think timber window repairs, brick masonry repairs, and structural stabilization of really old buildings and state park structures. That's so cool.

[Corinne]

That is so cool.

[Sabrina]

Yes, it's the best work ever. Yes, it was what I've always dreamt of doing and I am sad I'm not still doing it. But as you can imagine, this job brought me to so many incredible old buildings and old towns, but there's one experience that has been forever etched into my memory. I moved to Providence, Rhode island for my first professional job and I started a couple of days before. The team was heading up to the Enfield Shaker Museum in New Hampshire for a New England wide retreat where we planned to share ideas, strategize about improving historic preservation services throughout the region, etc. They picked this location for the gathering because while it's beautiful, it's old and there have been these amazing preservation efforts to maintain it. In summary, just a little information about it. This building was established in 1793 as the ninth of 18 Shaker communities in the US to quote it said, the Enfield Shakers built more than 100 buildings, farmed over 3,000 acres of fertile land, educated children in model schools, and followed the Shaker way of worship. One of the buildings on this site, the great stone Dwelling, is available for overnight stays. The construction of this massive granite building was completed by the Shakers in 1841 and it contained 24 retiring rooms, which are bedrooms.

[Corinne]

Oh, for you to retire for the night.

[Sabrina]

To retire for the night. When it was in operation for the Shakers, 96 Shakers sisters and brothers would sleep here as well as there was a large meeting room, a dining room and a kitchen. And this is where we were going to be staying for our work retreat. So because they had already had all of the overnight arrangements made before I started the job, there weren't any individual rooms left for me. But my new boss, the director of the organization, very kindly said that I could share a room with her because it had two twin beds in it. Now, I was pretty nervous about this because I barely knew her and she barely knew me. But since I had just started the job, I couldn't really miss the opportunity. So in any case, I thought at least It's a good way to get to know each other and hopefully for her to know that I'm normal. Right. Unfortunately, my hopes of appearing normal were crushed on the first night. We had a lovely day, meeting like minded people, eating good food, seeing some really cool buildings, and we all got ready for bed. All was fine. I think. I did a bit of reading before I turned the lights out. And next thing I know, after having been asleep maybe a couple of hours, my eyes were wide open, I couldn't move, I couldn't breathe, I couldn't speak. I don't remember seeing anything, but I felt that something was physically holding me down. I was so terrified and so confused. My entire body was trapped. It felt like this was going on forever in the moment. I couldn't even think of what to do except for trying to scream. And it felt like I was trying to scream for an hour, although it was probably only a couple of minutes or more likely seconds. Eventually though, I did scream loudly, really loud. I shot up in bed and woke up. It took me a second to orient myself. I scanned the room and next to me I saw my boss also sitting up in bed, confused. And she asked if I had heard that, which was so funny because like, did she think someone else in the building had screamed? Or was the boss trying to be polite? Or did the boss have sleep paralysis too?

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

I honestly, it's also like if you

[Corinne]

wake up to a scream, it's kind of disorienting where you're like not sure

[Sabrina]

where is that from?

[Corinne]

Was that in my own mind as I was waking up?

[Sabrina]

Right. I honestly can't remember what I said. I might have said, I don't know, or pretended to still be half asleep. But in the morning, after I had the chance to process what had happened, I did confess to her that I had screamed. I couldn't stand the idea that she would have thought she heard a random unexplained scream in the middle of the night. So I basically said, I'm really sorry, I don't know what happened, but that was me. I screamed. And then she had to spend two more nights with me. Luckily she's super lovely, but I have never had sleep paralysis before that or since that. And I have no explanation of what happened that night in the great stone dwelling at Enfield Shaker Museum. I hope you enjoyed from Grace. Dang.

[Corinne]

I guess I'm not surprised.

[Sabrina]

No.

[Corinne]

Given the old history and how many people were like in and out of there. But it's very like spooky overnight summer camp Vibes.

[Sabrina]

Just with your boss.

[Corinne]

Just with your boss the first time

[Sabrina]

you're spending time with her. What a great way to introduce yourself with a scream in the middle of the night.

[Corinne]

Fighting sleep paralysis and screaming your way out of it. Damn.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Corinne]

But I love it.

[Sabrina]

I know. What a cool job.

[Corinne]

I know.

[Sabrina]

And now you live in Edinburgh. Also. Very cool.

[Corinne]

So cool.

[Sabrina]

Even if you're not still doing historic preservation, like, you get to be around old, older buildings than we have here in this country. So that's cool.

[Corinne]

Now my mind is just like going off with just the trades and how masonry is so expensive now and how there's not that many masons anymore and intricate fireplaces don't really exist anymore in new builds.

[Sabrina]

The same with like, even like putting wallpaper on. Like, we found a great company who does it, but like, it is like a lost art. Like, you're the wallpaper. Yeah. To install it properly.

[Corinne]

Yeah. You know what I misses the people who do the, like, stencils on doors. Like the.

[Sabrina]

Your mom not on doors, but she used to stencil our whole. Like, my bedroom growing up was stenciled. She painted it herself.

[Corinne]

Oh, yeah, yeah. My dad does stenciling. Dude. I'm talking about like when you went into like office buildings or like the dentist or like, you're like the university where it's like on the door it says like professor blah, blah, blah. And it's someone actually like hand carving this.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, yeah. That is a crazy skill. Now machines do that.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Now you just get a little plaque. It printed as a decal.

[Sabrina]

When I worked at Warner Brothers for the, like my first job out of college, I was a administrative assistant to the assistant to the assistant basically at Warner Brothers main tv, like production office. And it was a one year job. So like everyone who were like the admins, assistants. It was a one year position to like, help launch your career and like, help you.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Because you oversaw like so many different aspects of production. But they basically one of the perks was if you do well, at the end of your year, you got a plaque with your name on it that said like, Warner Brothers. And I'm like, wait, but like, you're literally supposed to be leaving the job after that year. But I still have the plaque.

[Corinne]

It is funny because, like, you could order yourself a plaque too. This is more important.

[Sabrina]

But it was like a Warner Brothers specific. It had like the logo and everything.

[Corinne]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

Oh, that's cool. I didn't have to pay for it.

[Corinne]

Yeah, you didn't have to pay. What Was the stenciling that your mom did in your bedroom.

[Sabrina]

Flowers.

[Corinne]

Oh, cute. If I ever have a girl, I have a plan to do, like, flowers around the closet doors in that one room. We'll see.

[Sabrina]

We'll see.

[Corinne]

Okay. But if you are a Patreon listener, you are about to hear about my haunted grocery store.

[Sabrina]

I can't wait. I, for one, cannot wait. I've been talking it up all episode. And so if you want that, if you're like, I love New England ghost stories and now I need to hear about Corinne's haunted grocery store, you can go join us on Patreon. There's so many bonuses and benefits on Patreon. You get all episodes one week early and ad free. You get one bonus episode every month. You get access to campfire stories, which is we meet every single week, once a week for like a zoom session where you can tell your ghost stories live. We have witch classes, we have book club. We have so many perks there that people who do like business review of Patreon are like, wow, you do more than most creators do. So it's worth your money.

[Corinne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sabrina]

But if you don't, totally fine. No worries. We have all this free content here. It doesn't change your experience. You get to have this as well. Join us over there and Watch us on YouTube, rate and review us wherever you listen to podcasts. And then make sure you tell all of your friends, all of your family, the grocery store clerk, the random stranger on a bus, tell them about our

[Corinne]

podcast following your car.

[Sabrina]

Just tell them all. And thank you so much to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan. We're so grateful for you and we're so grateful for all of you.

[Corinne]

We love you and we will see you on the other side.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Corinne]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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