Episode 316 - Caught on Camera: Evidence of Bigfoot & Hawaii's Nightmarchers

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Girls One Ghost – Episode 316: "Caught on Camera: Evidence of Bigfoot & Hawaii's Nightmarchers"

Release Date: April 6, 2025
Hosts: Corinne Vien and Sabrina Deana-Roga
Description: Corinne and Sabrina delve into the mysterious realms of Bigfoot evidence and the haunting legends of Hawaii's Nightmarchers, presenting a blend of historical accounts, modern sightings, and listener-submitted stories.

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1. Introduction

The episode begins with Corinne and Sabrina briefly discussing their personal lives and introducing the main topics: evidence of Bigfoot and the legendary Nightmarchers of Hawaii. Sabrina shares an update about her child, Noah, highlighting his peculiar fascination with skeletons and Bigfoot, setting a light-hearted yet eerie tone for the episode.

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2. Bigfoot Evidence

a. Historical and Classic Evidence

Corinne and Sabrina kick off their discussion on Bigfoot by affirming their belief in its existence, emphasizing the importance of photo evidence in substantiating such claims.

• Sabrina (03:01): "Bigfoot is real and there is evidence to prove it. If you didn't already know, [you're] a firm believer."

They recount notable historical sightings, including David Thompson's 1811 account of unexplained large footprints in Alberta, Canada, which he documented in his journal, questioning whether they were from a mammoth, a grizzly bear, or something more elusive.

• David Thompson's Journal Excerpt (13:00): "The snow about six inches deep on the ice... it was not that of a bear."

b. Modern Evidence: Vocalizations and Footprints

The hosts explore modern evidence supporting Bigfoot's existence, such as the captured vocalizations in the Sierra Nevada and the distinct characteristics of Bigfoot footprints.

• Sabrina (28:44): "The sound that was recorded suggests that Bigfoots have rudimentary language through complex spoken sounds."

They discuss the uniqueness of Bigfoot tracks, noting features like deep impressions and distinct toe patterns that differentiate them from bear tracks.

• Sabrina (06:53): "These footprints measure up to 24 inches long and 8 inches wide... distinguishable dermal planes similar to apes."

c. Listener Stories and Photos

Sabrina shares a compelling listener-submitted story from Brianna about her father’s encounters in Oregon, including oversized barefoot prints and peculiar behaviors like reattaching a deer’s head to its carcass.

• Brianna (21:10): "He [found] a barefoot print that was about three times the size of any normal human print he'd ever seen."

Corinne presents photos submitted by listeners, analyzing their authenticity and discussing possible explanations, ranging from hoaxes to genuine Bigfoot activity.

d. Discussion and Conclusions

The hosts debate various theories about Bigfoot's nature, including the possibility of interdimensional beings. They ponder why Bigfoot remains elusive despite numerous sightings and analyze the implications of photo and audio evidence.

• Corinne (25:37): "We are so limited by our knowledge, and there's so much that we don't know."

Sabrina emphasizes the importance of due diligence and research when evaluating paranormal claims.

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3. Hawaii's Nightmarchers

a. History and Origins

Corinne and Sabrina transition to discussing Hawaii's Nightmarchers, ancient warrior spirits believed to roam the islands at night. They credit local Hawaiian sources for an authentic understanding of these legends.

• Corinne (44:09): "They are the deadly ghosts of ancient tribal Hawaiian warriors... the Night Marchers or the Hua Kai Po."

b. Definitions and Legends

The Nightmarchers are described as spectral soldiers who march from sunset to sunrise, carrying spears and torches, and are associated with sacred paths and battle drums. Encountering them is considered dangerous, with dire consequences for those who engage or disrespect them.

• Corinne (47:14): "If you do know about them, you know to not go in search of them."

c. Evidence and Visual Representations

The hosts examine visual evidence, including viral photos and live recordings purported to capture Nightmarchers. Corinne presents a detailed account of a viral photo taken by runner Kay Bourlet during an ultra-marathon, discussing its ambiguous nature and the debates it has sparked online.

• Corinne (59:11): "These are the live photos they sent... they're not photoshopped."

They play audio clips of recorded noises believed to be Nightmarchers' battle cries, analyzing the sounds and their potential origins.

• Sabrina (28:44): "These recordings have been analyzed by professionals who can't identify what creature is making the sound."

d. Listener Stories and Photos

Sabrina shares a listener-submitted story from Beth in New Hampshire, recounting her family's eerie encounters with Nightmarchers, including decapitated deer carcasses that mysteriously reassemble.

• Beth (35:14): "We could clearly hear that there was this creature on two feet that was whooping as it ran behind our barn."

Another listener, Tiffany, narrates her personal experiences, emphasizing the protective role Nightmarchers play for those with familial ties to them.

• Tiffany (67:18): "If you are born in a bloodline that has someone in the ranks of the night marchers, you are safe, you are protected."

e. Discussion and Protective Measures

Corinne and Sabrina discuss cultural practices and protective measures against Nightmarchers, such as specific plantings around homes and behaviors to avoid provoking them. They highlight the importance of respecting local legends and adhering to traditional guidelines.

• Corinne (56:17): "If you have a relative amongst their ranks and you do see them, you will hear them. Yellow na, which means mine. No one can harm you."

They debate the authenticity of various photos and recordings, acknowledging the complexity of verifying paranormal phenomena while respecting eyewitness accounts.

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4. Conclusion and Call to Action

In wrapping up, Corinne and Sabrina encourage listeners to submit their own evidence of paranormal encounters, including Bigfoot calls, Footprints, and stories of Nightmarchers. They emphasize the communal aspect of exploring the unknown and invite audience participation for future episodes.

• Corinne (73:40): "We want it all. We want ghost photos, Bigfoot calls, and everything in between."

They sign off by thanking their listeners, acknowledging their support, and teasing future content that will delve deeper into listener-submitted paranormal evidence.

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Notable Quotes

• Corinne (01:36): "Depression's been knocking at my door."
• Sabrina (02:10): "All this morning, he was like, let me in the room, let me in the room."
• Sabrina (06:02): "Or could be authentic? And then part three is sort of... Modern day caught on film footage."
• Corinne (25:37): "We are so limited by our knowledge, and there's so much that we don't know."
• Tiffany (67:22): "They [Night Marchers] protect me by holding me down as the marchers passed by."

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Final Thoughts

Episode 316 of Two Girls One Ghost masterfully intertwines historical accounts, modern evidence, and personal stories to explore the enigmatic existence of Bigfoot and the haunting legends of Hawaii's Nightmarchers. Corinne and Sabrina provide a balanced discussion, respecting cultural beliefs while analyzing tangible evidence, making the episode both informative and spine-chilling for listeners intrigued by the supernatural.

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Stay tuned for more eerie tales and paranormal investigations in upcoming episodes of Two Girls One Ghost. Remember to share your own experiences and evidence to be featured in future discussions.

Transcript

[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

Summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost?

[Corinne]

Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered. A cabana, that's a no. But a banana, that's a yes. A nice tan.

[Sabrina]

Sorry, nope.

[Corinne]

But a box fan. Happily, yes.

[Sabrina]

A day of sunshine.

[Corinne]

No. A box of fine wines. Yes.

[Sabrina]

Uber Eats can definitely get you that.

[Corinne]

Get almost.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

Product availability may vary by Regency app details. Hello. Hey. This is two curls. One goes, two girls, one ghost.

[Corinne]

And if you whisper it with us, you're not alone. You're not weird. A lot of people do it. We are your ghostesses. That is Corinne. Hello, I'm Sabrina and I'm a bit melancholy today.

[Sabrina]

Why?

[Corinne]

Depression's been knocking at my door.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, but you love the rain, and it rained so much yesterday. Did you run outside in the rain?

[Corinne]

I didn't really get to enjoy it.

[Sabrina]

Oh, thank you.

[Corinne]

But that's why we talk about ghost stories, because it makes me feel so much better.

[Sabrina]

It does. And I know I almost never talk about the things my child is doing, but we have a new update on Noah. So he's walking assisted. Like, he. He floats on by. He barely grabs your fingers and runs. He has become obsessed with the skeleton.

[Corinne]

He loves Sven.

[Sabrina]

All this morning, he was like, let me in the room, let me in the room. And I brought him in and he's like, holding on to me one handed, and then with his other hand, he's only nine months old, so he doesn't have great balance. With the other hand, he's touching Sven's face, touching his mouth. And he's not, like, really aggressive. He was, like, touching his ribs, trying to talk to him. That's so. So we have a creepy kid in the making.

[Corinne]

Which we knew. Yeah, because you would always birth a creepy kid.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Corinne]

Well, today we have evidence of a couple of things. People love stories that have photo evidence.

[Sabrina]

We love stories that have photo evidence.

[Corinne]

We love that and some people are like, pish posh. That's not real. Well, we have a couple things that we're gonna try to use photo evidence to prove the existence of the paranormal and potentially cryptids. And I think you should go first.

[Sabrina]

Bigfoot is real and there is evidence to prove it. If you didn't already know a firm believer.

[Corinne]

How does Corinne feel?

[Sabrina]

That the Squatch is out there. The Squatch live amongst us. And if you're lucky, you may just find a big footprint for some reason.

[Corinne]

I just wanted to say Squatch crotch. Which made me think about the boxers I got Brian on your wedding weekend.

[Sabrina]

You rolled up to the wedding weekend. You'd stopped at the like cookie place, Cookie love in Vermont. And you're like, here's some cookies. And Brian, I got you this special gift. And he opens it up and it's boxers that say what was it? Was it.

[Corinne]

I think it said something about like Squatch crotch.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, something like that. It was Bigfoot themed boxers.

[Corinne]

And I was like on your wedding night.

[Sabrina]

Little store in the tiny little town that you stopped in on the way.

[Corinne]

Exactly. Bigfoot was a part of your marital bliss.

[Sabrina]

Always. Always. Yes, man. Missed opportunity to include him in my vows. So Bigfoot is real and I'm covering some indisputable evidence. This is a fact based episode. We're gonna talk about the classic Prince, the Bigfoot tracks. And also a newer piece of evidence now that we have the technology that we do today. Captured vocalizations of Bigfoot.

[Corinne]

Corinne is submitting herself to the Bigfoot Call festival in Whitehall, New York. It's every summer.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Catch Corinne there.

[Sabrina]

Everyone goes like this over there. I don't need to go. I don't need any hands over. I got it. Okay. Bigfoot Sasquatch.

[Corinne]

We should just do like a five minute episode where people submit their Bigfoot calls and we just do all the different Bigfoot calls.

[Sabrina]

I'd love it.

[Corinne]

Yeah. So send us a video of you doing your best Bigfoot call and we'll put a compilation together.

[Sabrina]

We can vote.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And then also we'll send out an award. We'll send out an award. And then I think before all of the ads. You know how we normally have Leia Meow.

[Corinne]

We'll do Bigfoot.

[Sabrina]

We're just gonna do random people's Bigfoot calls to transition.

[Corinne]

It's gonna be so shocking chaos. I'm just imagining a really heartfelt sad story. See you on the other side from Sarah. This episode is sponsored by.

[Sabrina]

We have to do it. It's so funny. Well, I can talk about Bigfoot all day. Bigfoot has a few other names that we have heard. Sasquatch, Abominable Snowman, Yeti, Yaoi, many other names. We have a three part Bigfoot series. It was episode 232, 233 and 234. So if you want to get into the nitty gritty details of Bigfoot, we did cover a lot there.

[Corinne]

So like Corinne did two episodes of Bigfoot evidence and I did like a hoax episode because there are a lot of hoaxes about Bigfoot, but in your.

[Sabrina]

Hoaxes, it was a really important. So part one is about like kind of the historical evidence of Bigfoot and how Bigfoot came to get its name. Part two was hoaxes. And you also gave kind of like an identification chart of what to look for. The red flags, the red flags and the green flags. Like, how do you know if something is authentic?

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

Or could be authentic? And then part three is sort of those, like modern day, like caught on film footage. Okay. So Bigfoot, it's this large bipedal creature covered in fur. Often the fur is described as a dark brown or a black. But oftentimes if you go out to like the Himalayas, Nepal, they'll talk about like the classic abominable snowman having this white fur, but oftentimes still has like this sort of brown in those areas too. It reminds me of like an ermine, just like a weasel. You know how they, like in the winter, their coats white to match the snow, and then in the summer they're brown. Yeah. Bigfoots usually stand about 8ft tall, but some accounts have reported that the creature be up to 15ft in height. Huge wild. It's estimated that many weigh around 800 pounds. So obviously when there's a footprint, it's a pretty deep footprint.

[Corinne]

Found a hefty foot.

[Sabrina]

And these footprints measure up to 24 inches long and 8 inches wide. Its hands and feet appear quite ape like. And researchers have found distinct dermal planes across the feet similar to apes. And this is one of the things that you brought up in that second part of the Bigfoot series is the dermal plane. So it's almost impossible when we look at photos that I'm going to present today to see if there's dermal planes, because it's something that comes up when you put a cast or take a cast of the print.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

So when the print comes up, if it's totally flat, you know that someone probably went out with like a wooden board or some sort of Carving and stamped the footprint in. But if you put your own foot in ink and press down, there's gonna be all these, like, little tiny marks of where it folds.

[Corinne]

You know how, like, every fingerprint is unique, which is why you can get caught for crimes with your fingerprints. I'm curious if bigfoot, or even just animals have that same thing. Like, do they have unique imprints Imprinting on their fingers that we could catch.

[Sabrina]

Their crimes or at least identify? Like, was this the same?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Being creeping through my yard every night? Or are there mult?

[Corinne]

Ooh.

[Sabrina]

The creature's eyes are said to be quite round, and sometimes they're reported to glow red or yellow. They're mostly seen at night, Believed maybe to be nocturnal. Or just using night as a time to wander around freely. Oftentimes they're spotted alone. They try their best to avoid humans. You'll often hear about knocking. So the tree knocking, where they take a branch or something and knock aggressively On a nearby trunk to warn you, maybe, of its presence and to have you back off. If you get a little too close, you, might have a rock thrown at you.

[Corinne]

They do like to throw rocks.

[Sabrina]

They really like to throw rocks.

[Corinne]

It's interesting because Is it bears who will, like, rub up against the bark, and it's, like, almost giving themselves Little back massages. Like, I wonder if bigfoots do that, too.

[Sabrina]

They do feel ape like enough that I'm like, I wonder if they just in their little crew, Scratch each other, you, know, Pick out the stuff of each other in each other's fur.

[Corinne]

If not looking for a bigfoot to.

[Sabrina]

Pick, I have some combs that I don't use. I'd be happy to groom. Spare one. Groom you?

[Corinne]

I really wish I was wearing the bigfoot costume. Just sitting here Listening to you Sweating your ass off. I know, but just sitting here so good. It would be so fun.

[Sabrina]

Okay. Bigfoots, they make noises. They will shriek. They will howl. They will growl. They will scream loudly. It echoes through the forest and across canyons. It's thought that this could be a form of communication between bigfoots, but also to warn hikers and rogue campers or people wandering in the woods to back off. They also come with an incredibly strong odor. Quite foul. It is said.

[Corinne]

You got me. The scent of the moon. I would like to find a company that has the scent of bigfoot Bottled up.

[Sabrina]

Yuck. But yum. In the last 50 years, there have been more than 10,000 eyewitness accounts of bigfoot in the contin alone.

[Corinne]

Damn.

[Sabrina]

Yet bigfoot has never been captured. We've never found a dead body of Bigfoot. And so that's kind of where the conspiracy theories, which I won't get into in this episode. We did cover them a bit in the three parter and have trickled them into so many other episodes.

[Corinne]

Whenever possible, whenever possible, Corinne brings them up.

[Sabrina]

But there is the theory that, you know, Bigfoots are not some sort of traditional cryptid or creature that just exists here, but they could be some sort of interdimensional being that kind of works their way through portals, that they have some sort of, like, cloaking capabilities. They can become invisible or hide themselves and move freely without us always knowing. But we do still have evidence of their existence. And the first piece of evidence that I want to go over, the tracks, Bigfoot footprints, a big foot in the snow, a Bigfoot in the mud.

[Corinne]

Because that's one thing. Like, if they, as physical beings, can teleport or go back and forth between different dimensions wherever Interdimensional beings, if we want to call them that, they can't erase their footprints.

[Sabrina]

Oh, they can't. But it is also interesting because it's like, oftentimes there will be a couple prints, and then it will just seem like it completely vanished into thin air. Which is odd because it's like, well, if there's something this big moving forward, where did they go?

[Corinne]

I'm just picturing. I don't know what movie first did this, but the trope of walking backwards to make it look like your footprints are going in a certain direction or walking to a certain point and then backpedaling in the exact prints to, like, mislead a predator? No, I think it's like an older thing, but I'm just imagining Bigfoot's trying to mislead people, and so they drop.

[Sabrina]

Out of the portal, do a couple.

[Corinne]

Footprints, and then back up through them really strategically.

[Sabrina]

And we don't know how far they can jump. What if they can fly? We don't know that's true. They think the T. Rex had wings now. So we don't know anything about anything.

[Corinne]

No, we don't.

[Sabrina]

Bigfoots could be purple and sparkly. Okay. So indigenous people across the world have been reporting on these mysterious large footprints and these huge beasts in the woods for centuries and centuries. Himalayan Buddhists often speak of their encounters with these giant creatures to date. So there's still many modern sightings, and it was evident that these things had been around for a very long time. However, there is one person, a white man who was often Credited with the first discovery of a set of Sasquatch footprints, David Thompson was one of North America's greatest pathfinders and surveyors. He traveled by foot, by horse, by canoe, all over the continent. He just spent the majority of his life outside, traversing these unchartered territories and dense woods and just difficult terrain to navigate. And he was establishing the first permanent trading forts in much of North America. In the fall of 1811, while traveling through Canada, he was not able to take the route that he had planned to take. So instead he had to follow the Athabasca river. And then he journeyed up the Athabasca mountains over the Athabasca Pass. It's a hard word for me to say, and I can't believe I had to say it three times.

[Corinne]

You did a good job.

[Sabrina]

So this was a multi month journey. This took a really long time. So he was in this area where he was like basically his own path. Was he himself? No, he did have a team with her. On January 7, 1811, David wrote in his journal, which he had been keeping the entire time, about something quite odd that they encountered at the mouth of the Whirlpool River. Here's what he said, quote, continuing our journey. In the afternoon, we came on the track of a large animal. The snow about six inches deep on the ice. I measured it. Four large toes, each of four inches in length. To each a short claw. The ball of the foot sunk three inches lower than the toes. The hinder part of the foot did not mark well. The length, 14 inches by 8 inches in breadth. Walking from north to south. And having passed about six hours, we were in no humor to follow him. And the men and the indigenous guides would have it to be a young mammoth. And I held it to be the track of a large old grizzled bear. Yet the shortness of the nails, the ball of the foot, the great size, it was not that of a bear.

[Corinne]

I love that you're almost. You're like reading it as if you're the one who's writing it. Like the confound, confused mentality. What have I seen?

[Sabrina]

What have I seen otherwise? That of a very large old bear, his claws worn away. And this the indigenous would not allow. And so accompanying David on this trip was a group of men. And four of these men were very seasoned hunters. And so in the three part Bigfoot series, we did go over what bear tracks versus Bigfoot tracks look like and have a whole section on that. And so many of you guys might be thinking like this could be a bear. But with all these seasoned hunters, they're looking at these tracks, the people who live on the land are looking at these tracks, and the hunters are like, hard pass. We're not following this thing because we don't know if our weapons, our guns can actually do anything against this creature, given the size that it appears to be based on its prince. Right. So this is kind of the start of people really across continents, across countries, communicating with each other as they travel about the wild men that they encounter. And so while David Thompson found evidence of one in Alberta, Canada, there were also now many reports popping up in the Himalayan mountains. Explorers, outdoorsmen, guides, photographers, whoever dared go into these mountains, they found large human like, footprints in the snow. And the Sherpas called this creature Mato Kongmee, which means as a direct translation into English, man, bear, snowman.

[Corinne]

I mean, fair, because, like, it's a combination of all these things.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Corinne]

What is it?

[Sabrina]

And we did cover this in a three part series, but there was some translation errors along the way. And that's basically how we got Abominable Snowman in the Himalayans. In this time, we finally got the first photographic proof of these prints.

[Corinne]

What year is this?

[Sabrina]

This is now the 1950s. And British explorer and highly respected Everest explorer Eric Shipton was looking for an alternate route up Mount Everest. Which is so crazy because, like, think of how many people go up Mount Everest now. I'm like, are you all seeing Bigfoots? Probably. Are you just thinking you're hallucinating?

[Corinne]

I don't know. Tulsa is so extremely dangerous that I know. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

I'm sure the Bigfoots are scared of everyone who goes up Everest. They're like, why are you here? I watched you guys dive for, yeah, a century now.

[Corinne]

Also, there's so many, like, there's like, specific paths that you have to take and follow when you're going up Everest. So there's plenty of free space for Bigfoot to run.

[Sabrina]

Totally. So Eric Shipton, he was looking for a different route up Mount Everest alongside fellow explorer Michael Ward and famed mountaineer Tom Bourdien. So he had a very qualified group of people going up with him. They were west of Mount Everest on the Nepal Tibet border when Eric Shipton spotted a humanoid footprint in the snow. And he placed his ice pick next to the footprint and he snapped a picture. The footprint wasn't much bigger than Eric's boot in his hiking boots, but it was still really large. It was about 13 inches. And this footprint was very clear. It left a Sharp imprint in this, like crispy snow. And the large toe almost looked like a thumb. It looked very primate like. And it definitely was not a boot and definitely not a human.

[Corinne]

Can I look?

[Sabrina]

Yes.

[Corinne]

Wow. Its second toe is much taller than the big toe. It would not be good at point.

[Sabrina]

No. And this is confusing because it's like if you look at the bears in this region, it shouldn't really match because it does. It does look much more primate like.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

It looks like a gorilla's foot. Wow. But are gorillas on Mount Everest?

[Corinne]

I don't.

[Sabrina]

Not that I've heard of.

[Corinne]

I'm not a scientist, but I don't think so. Huh.

[Sabrina]

Okay. So the footprints went on for about 1 mile and then they went down the glacier. So whatever it was could navigate really intense terrain barefoot too. Barefoot, yeah.

[Corinne]

There's no shoes.

[Sabrina]

This bear wasn't wearing shoes.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Shockingly, no. But I mean that it's not a human because leave shoes out for your local bears. You don't know how cold their feet are.

[Sabrina]

They might want one, but their thumbs, they don't. It doesn't work.

[Corinne]

It doesn't work. They need like, crocs. Crocs for. For Bigfoot.

[Sabrina]

You think they're going into your trash for food? They're actually looking for shoes to fit them. Did anyone throw out some old hokas? Okay. Eric and the other men were very highly respected in their fields. And so it was never really a question that this could have been some sort of hoax. It was immediately accepted as proof of some unknown creature navigating the harsh mountainscape. The evidence of said creature being this rogue footprint. And also many oral stories that were passed around by the people in Nepal and this region. And this triggered the hunt for the yeti.

[Corinne]

I hate that it became a hunt.

[Sabrina]

I know we have TV shows all dedicated towards this now, everyone.

[Corinne]

And we talked about this in the three part series, but I feel like there's just this desire to be the first person to catch. And in order to really present it, you probably do have to. Whether it's dart it with a sleeping aid or kill it.

[Sabrina]

Kill it? No, it's awful. I mean, think about how many people have. They've all been hoaxes but said that they have a dead Bigfoot in the freezer or whatever. And then Jeff the Mongoose, we did Jeff the Mongoose as an episode and there's someone who went in and said, I shot and killed Jeff. And thankfully it was a different mongoose, but still a mongoose lost his life.

[Corinne]

I know.

[Sabrina]

Very upsetting. Okay. But, yeah, you don't have to be a hunter or TV personality apparently, to find evidence of Bigfoot in 1980, 50 years ago. But it feels recent to me. When we say 1980, locals in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, discovered this odd footprint. It was 17.75 inches long. So 17 3/4 inches long. It was pressed into the dirt, but it was not in the woods. It was not on a trail. It was by someone's house. It was in a residential area. Just one print and this footprint appeared around the same time that people started reporting really weird noises in the area and bowel odors wafting through.

[Corinne]

I feel like bigfoot made a mistake. Like he didn't mean to be there.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Corinne]

It's so deep, too.

[Sabrina]

It's huge. Yeah. So in the photo, there's a matchbox put and someone's hand for size comparison. It's extremely deep. It's huge. The toes are very spread apart.

[Corinne]

So it's interesting because the guy who wrote the journal said that there were four toes, and this has five. So maybe there was because his foot was cold, he lost a toe.

[Sabrina]

He. He may have, yeah. And also, I will say, if bigfoot is this sort of alien, interdimensional being, are there many different types of bigfoots from all over?

[Corinne]

Why not? What do we know?

[Sabrina]

We don't know.

[Corinne]

We don't know anything.

[Sabrina]

Then a very recent sighting. An email from one of our listeners, Brianna, who we read this email in Encounter79. But that was before YouTube, so we didn't have a way of presenting these photos because, I mean, YouTube existed, but we were not.

[Corinne]

We were not on it.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. So Brianna sent in an email titled, my dad found evidence of Bigfoot. She writes, my dad goes deer and elk hunting in a super secluded area in eastern Oregon.

[Corinne]

Every year he's in Oregon Bigfoot country.

[Sabrina]

He's an avid bigfoot believer. And it all started because of one of the hunting trips years ago. While walking around in the woods, he spotted a footprint on the ground. Upon spotting it, he immediately ran back to the camp to get his phone and something to make a makeshift cement cast or whatever you call it, because this thing was huge. It was a barefoot print that was about three times the size of any normal human print that he'd ever seen. First of all, no person is walking around these woods barefoot. Second of all, my cousin had size 18ft, and these prints were even bigger.

[Corinne]

Than that, which that I feel like is a size 18 foot is massive. Whereas we were in Seattle and in the public market. There's like, a little, like, museum to the.

[Sabrina]

And downstairs.

[Corinne]

Downstairs, Downstairs with, like, the largest shoe ever created for that man that we talked about. I can't remember when we talked about it and what his name is, but his foot was massive.

[Sabrina]

Huge.

[Corinne]

I mean, he was massive.

[Sabrina]

If he walked around, you'd probably say that was bigfoot print.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

My dad still has the casting and the picture somewhere. And if I can get a hold of it, I'll send pictures, which she later did. This print is not natural. After that, he began looking for more signs of bigfoot every year. Last year, he had another strange experience While looking for a deer in those same woods. He found a deer carcass with a missing head, which also seems to be another M.O. of, like, a decapitated deer or like, a deer hung up in a weird way. Yeah. On the trees. That in itself is not odd because poachers will illegally kill deer just for their heads.

[Corinne]

Oh, to, like, put them on the wall.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. If you're going to kill the deer, eat the deer. Don't just decapitate it. Just run away. Weird.

[Corinne]

Just don't.

[Sabrina]

You weirdo.

[Corinne]

Don't eat animals. That's personal preference.

[Sabrina]

The carcass had pretty much been picked clean, which, again, isn't odd because other animals in the area would likely do that. What was exceptionally odd, though, was that the next day, when he passed by that same carcass, some. Something had put its head right back on top of its carcass.

[Corinne]

That's weird.

[Sabrina]

That's definitely not something another animal or a poacher would do. He thinks maybe bigfoot decided to leave him a gift or maybe a warning after seeing my dad poking around its dinner. Crazy, right? Okay. And then we have six photos.

[Corinne]

Oh, my gosh. So the first photo was the one that her dad saw was in the.

[Sabrina]

Rocks, which it looks like there's five toes here as well.

[Corinne]

It's also, like, I'm impressed. I guess they're hunters, so it makes sense that they're, like, tracking and stuff. But I wouldn't notice this. I wouldn't stop to look at this. Because it's in the rocks, right?

[Sabrina]

You're not looking for. Yeah. The ones in the mud are a little bit more obvious.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Perhaps, though, if you're a hunter, you recognize tracks and you're in bigfoot country, your mind might go there a little bit more. But I would look at this, and I wouldn't think anything like, oh, there's just, like, a weird indentation. Someone slipped or. Yeah, but no, it's like when you actually look at it, you're like, oh, there's the toes. And why do I feel like they.

[Corinne]

Like, almost look like dinosaur size prints? Like, what if Bigfoot is a dinosaur? A dinosaur lives.

[Sabrina]

Totally.

[Corinne]

But then. But then it's like, why don't we have evidence of their. I mean, that's the hardest thing.

[Sabrina]

Well, maybe they go and die, like, deep, deep, deep within caves or something. You know, like how like a dog will run deep into the woods to try to die away from its family. Like maybe Bigfoot's or they have, like their own sort of ceremonial burial practice.

[Corinne]

I think the only way I could believe that Bigfoot are real is if they are interdimensional beings and they die somewhere else. Because I do feel like.

[Sabrina]

Or are collected or they're.

[Corinne]

Yeah, they're beamed up by aliens.

[Sabrina]

I mean, if they're not of this world, then perhaps whatever they're made out of.

[Corinne]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

Could decompose at a much quicker rate than how. That's exactly things of Earth do. Right, Right. Like the way that it mixes with the soil or whatever. Maybe it's just, like, done.

[Corinne]

I think the whole thing is, if you believe Bigfoot is real, I think you also have to believe that we are so limited, which this part is fact. We as humans are so limited by our knowledge, and we only know what we know. We don't know what we don't know, and there's so much that we don't know.

[Sabrina]

I know. It's wild.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

Still today or like proven to be something else.

[Sabrina]

Right? Exactly. The sound that was recorded suggests that Bigfoots have rudimentary language through complex spoken sounds. This series of recordings have been analyzed by professionals who can't identify what creature is making the sound? But based on what they've heard, it's been theorized that the animal is quite larger than a human. And based on the frequencies of the sounds, it's definitely not human vocals either.

[Corinne]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

So this specific recording, you can listen to the entire recording. It's. I think there's like, 30 minutes of audio or something like that that's public. Right. But I'm going to play a very short clip of it for this podcast. But these recordings were captured by a group of friends. They were also hunters. And in the 1950s, they started going deep into the sierra nevada mountains for this annual trip together. And for two decades, this group would go have the best time, had no issues, Just enjoyed their time together until 1971, when the sun sets and odd noises began to emanate through the woods. It sounded big, it sounded close. And sometimes it would happen in the dead of night, Waking them from their slumber. And the men would be really scared. So there's photos of the tree that they would actually hide in, but there was this, like, hollowed out tree. And the trees in this area can be massive, you know, and so they're hiding in this tree, and they have, like, a makeshift door, basically, to, like, block themselves in. And they would hide in here together and listen to this creature. And it sounded like grunting and screaming and whistling and whooping and rapping on trees and rocks. And if the noises began when they were outside, they would run into the shelter. But after that, they started to kind of just spend a lot of time at night in the shelter because it just kept happening over and over again, and they did not want to risk their safety. So this happened in 1971. And the next year, when they returned, they actually brought a reporter with them named alberry. And al Barry was very skeptical of bigfoot, but they wanted another person to be like, no, this is someone outside of our group who can also hear this. Maybe if it happens again this year.

[Corinne]

Right?

[Sabrina]

And this will be proof. And this person can record the sounds. So over a series of recordings, they managed to get 90 minutes of audio recordings of bigfoots. There's thought to be more than one captured on these recordings. And in the audio, they mimic the sounds back to the animals in an attempt to communicate. And here is what they heard. There's two of them across the creek.

[Corinne]

At the big rocks. If anyone wants some inspo for their calls.

[Sabrina]

That's our girl.

[Corinne]

I feel like at the end, they're getting like, yeah. Even just listening, I felt like Tension.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Like, they shouldn't be poking them like that.

[Sabrina]

No. And it does feel like there's some sort of scheming almost, between the. The group.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Of not humans. Of, like, bigfoots. Of, like, should we go get them? But it's so wild because it's like, the range of vocalizations in that is crazy. You know, you have, like, the.

[Corinne]

Ugh.

[Sabrina]

Which kind of sounds elk, like, in a way, but obviously a lot deeper. But then there's, like. Instead, they're like. Yeah. And there's a.

[Corinne]

Like, that's why I'm saying, like, it felt like, at first, it was just a call, and then it started to get more and more aggressive and anxiety. Like, I feel like the bigfoots had anxiety.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

And that's why it was getting A little bit more chaotic and messy. And it almost felt like a pack of dogs Barking at each other.

[Sabrina]

It did feel like that.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

The voices sound so different, too. Like, it's almost like they have a very distinct.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Like, I guess, like, humans, too. But it does, right? It. It's crazy. Okay. So this group of people, they would strain their eyes. They would try to peek through the cracks of this, like, wooden structure of logs and tree and whatever that they put together to try to protect themselves. But they would never see anything. They would never spot the animal. But clearly there was something or many somethings right there.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

So terrified, they'd huddle in the fort until the sun came up. Sometimes they would find footprints, Large footprints in the snow or in the pine after this, and after a couple of years, they wondered if whatever it was Was trying to scare them away. So the tapes have been reviewed by many experts, and everyone has come to a similar conclusion. It would be very difficult to fake this, because so many of the voices Are overlapping each other in the tapes. The group of human campers Are trying to make the noises back, and they.

[Corinne]

Sound so different Than the potential bigfoots.

[Sabrina]

Yes. And then the. The two creatures that they think that there might be two. Are presumably communicating with one another or trying to send some warning signals to this group of campers.

[Corinne]

Wow.

[Sabrina]

Based on pitch and sound, it's estimated that the beings are about 7 to 8ft tall.

[Corinne]

That's so interesting that they can, based on sound, Predict the height. That's so wild.

[Sabrina]

All right, so everyone remembers what they just heard, right?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

May 2024. We get an email From a listener in new hampshire named beth. Okay. She writes, I recently listened to your episode about mount wylie, and this triggered a memory of mine And I'm going to tell you about a story related to my wuz bins, which I love saying a wasbin instead of ex husband.

[Corinne]

Oh, wait, I like that.

[Sabrina]

A wasbins family farm.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

During that time, I lived on the property and a lot of weird things happened. One night, it was around 9pm in the late spring and early fall. I had just gone to bed, so the house was quiet. All the windows were shut because even though it was warm during the day, once the sun goes down, it gets quite chilly. As I settled in, I heard a loud sound in the woods across the street. Sounded like an owl. And we do have lots of owls in our woods and they're a rowdy bunch all summer long. And then I heard another hoot. And this one made me think, that's a loud owl. And then a third hoot. And this one sounded like a man imitating an owl. And it was so loud that I shot up in bed. I grabbed my phone and I ran out of the bedroom to find my wusband. And I could still hear it. And it was whooping, not hooting. I met my wuzband at the door and he and our dog scrambled inside, absolutely shitting themselves. The dog was terrified, he was so rattled. And then my wusband grabbed a gun and so did I. And we went back outside and we stood on the porch to listen. We could clearly hear that there was this creature on two feet that was whooping as it ran behind our barn towards our field where our livestock were.

[Corinne]

Another common thing is bigfoots are sometimes attack livestock.

[Sabrina]

I was able to record the sound and I'll attach it for your listening pleasure. We took off the porch running towards the sound and our animals. And when we got which also so brave and also dumb. Yeah, don't do that. But I guess they had weapons.

[Corinne]

Brave and dumb sometimes are synonymous, right? Yeah.

[Sabrina]

When we got to the field, everything was quiet. We have a guard llama and he seemed very laid back. Like whatever this thing was was not a threat to him.

[Corinne]

Why do I feel like a guard llama is always laid back?

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Also what a good guard animal. I want to be spit on and trampled. Not me.

[Corinne]

I want like, instead of like, beware of dog on my front door it says beware of llama.

[Sabrina]

Beware of llama. Llamas and camels came underrated guard animals.

[Corinne]

Oh, my gosh. I feel like emus would be good ones too.

[Sabrina]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Most of them are nasty.

[Corinne]

I think swans too. Yes, geese.

[Sabrina]

We have options. We gotta Train the geese and the swans to like us and hate everyone else. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Now, side note, we have seen him run off a moose and wild dogs, so it was surprising that he wasn't alarmed by this thing. We didn't see anything that night. I have so many more questions about a guard llama. Like how. How do you drain the guard llama?

[Corinne]

Also, do you have a photo and what's his name? I want to know your llama.

[Sabrina]

We didn't see anything that night, but it was eerie. And when we sent the recordings off to bfro, which is the bigfoot research organization, they analyzed it and they said that it was not a known animal to the area that we were in. Time passes and a few years later, we find a 14 inch set of tracks in our driveway. There was a six foot stride between the footprints and they were leading away from the barn door. The driveway is hard packed dirt. So this thing must have been heavy to leave these prints.

[Corinne]

Jeez.

[Sabrina]

We did cast the print. And the strangest thing is it only had three toes. Otherwise it looked like a normal footprint. Supersized that time. That was all the evidence we had. But we did find a few more prints weeks later after a tornado had ripped through our property and taken out about 80 acres of woods, which is also such a rare thing to happen in New Hampshire. It was also the same time of year that the previous encounter happened. Where we live has rich history of Bigfoot encounters. There's a huge swath of marshland near our property, and there's a gas station in the area that has all kinds of documentation on the walls. Maps, sightings, newspaper articles about all of the encounters in the area. We have to go. It's so close. Whoa. Okay. And then here, the sound. Let me pull it up. Is the sound okay?

[Corinne]

I mean, that's not a close.

[Sabrina]

What was that?

[Corinne]

They're right down by the sheet. Down.

[Sabrina]

Take that.

[Corinne]

Where's Russell? Is Russell the llama? You got a gun?

[Sabrina]

It's hard to hear, but in the background you can hear that.

[Corinne]

What does a loon sound like?

[Sabrina]

Kind of like that, but I feel like higher pitched.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

I don't know though. That's a good point because they are in marshland.

[Corinne]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

It's also interesting, but basically this is my call to action that in addition.

[Corinne]

To sending us your bigfoot call.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. If you have footprints, if you have vocalizations, if you have photos or any sort of encounter story with Bigfoot, few feces of you hair, show us pictures or send them to me.

[Corinne]

I want haunted Objects. Corinne wants Bigfoot paraphernalia.

[Sabrina]

Okay. So also, I didn't include any of this for this episode, but on Reddit, there's an entire forum basically dedicated to people presenting evidence that they think could be Bigfoot. And then in the comments, it's all people going back and forth of like, is this Bigfoot? Is this not? And it's usually not. But there was another. It wasn't New Hampshire, but it was Maine. Another story that I so appreciated where this man was like, what is this? And there's just these tracks that are smaller. Like, they look like almost human tracks, but very confusing. Just like up on the mountain near a river, just going in this deep snow. And he was like, is this some sort of weird, like, Bigfoot type creature? And so he posts it, and then weeks later, he posts again and he goes, update. Talked to some locals, and there's a local guy who just comes up here, takes his shoes off and walks around in the snow. And people were like, yes, this is the evidence and research and investigation. I do appreciate that.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Because we do believe a lot of things over here at Two Girls, One Ghost. And especially when it comes to your experiences, your stories, who are we to say whether or not that's true? If you experienced it, we're gonna believe you. But when it comes to things like Bigfoot that have not been proven and we want to believe existence, it is good to debunk things. It is good to do your research and find out if there is a man who likes to walk around barefoot in the snow.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. You have to do your due diligence.

[Corinne]

Exactly. And I think that's the hardest thing about anything in the paranormal or otherworldly realm, aliens included, telepathy, Anything that's just not believed and recognized as a known fact. You do have to do a little.

[Sabrina]

Bit more work to prove it, unfortunately. But, I mean, I guess that's. That's like everything in the scientific world. Think about how much effort was put into showing people that the Earth is round.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

We have to prove everything, and then we have to disprove everything, too, to make sure that things are the way it seems.

[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

Is this up for debate? I feel like it's the existence full belief.

[Corinne]

The existence of these beings is not up for debate. The evidence in these photos and videos I'm about to show you is what is up for debate.

[Sabrina]

Okay. Yeah. Thank you for the clarification.

[Corinne]

You're welcome. Anytime. They rise from the ocean. They emerge from the burial sites. They gather in groups, and encountering them could be fatal. They are the deadly ghosts of ancient tribal Hawaiian warriors. They are the Night Marchers or the Hua Kai Po.

[Sabrina]

It just already feels like I feel like I can hear the drumming, I can see the fire, I can hear their voices. And it just feels so intense already in my mind.

[Corinne]

And I also spent so much time last night looking on TikTok and Reddit and listening to videos that are believed to be encounters or sounds and visuals of the Night Marchers. And so, like all night, my Heart was racing. Like, I felt like that drum warrior battle cry was echoing in my head. So I did originally cover the night marchers in episode 88, but that was back in 2019, and it's been six years since then. So there is a lot of new evidence and more stories that people have posted online. So for this proving photo evidence of the night marchers, I'm going to revisit briefly the history, the context, the origins, the beliefs of the night marchers. And then we're going to go into specific photos, videos, and Reddit stories about the night marchers. And you might know what photo I'm talking about because it kind of made its rounds and has continued to make its rounds on social media.

[Sabrina]

Is this the hike? Hiking, yeah. So, yeah.

[Corinne]

Okay. I also, before I get into this, I want to give two references because the night marchers are a Hawaiian belief, and I think I should credit the locals. The people who live there have grown up with this through generations and generations. There are people who are more qualified to speak on this, and so I just wanted to give them a little shout out in the beginning of this episode. So there is a book called Hawaii's Night Marchers, a history of the Hua Kapo that is written by local native Hawaiians. And there's like three or four people who collaborated on writing this book.

[Sabrina]

So cool.

[Corinne]

And then anything from Hawaii's ghost guy, who they call Uncle Lapoka, who was actually recognized by the state legislature for his storytelling and perpetuating a lot of Hawaiian legends, lore, and history through his storytelling. And I'll also link in the YouTube video and in our show notes, a really, really good video of him telling a horrifying, creepy story about the night marchers. You're practicing Bigfoot call. That's actually pretty good.

[Sabrina]

Thanks.

[Corinne]

Most everyone who was born and raised in Hawaii has heard of the night marchers, the ancient warrior spirits who roam the islands at night. And if you do know about them, you know to not go in search of them. And if you hear them and see them, do not engage, do not interact with them, because they are what nightmares are made of.

[Sabrina]

I do recall, I think, when you covered this last, it's basically like if you're on the beach or if you're somewhere, you just basically like, head down, lay down, be as still as possible.

[Corinne]

Yes.

[Sabrina]

Pretend you're not there.

[Corinne]

So we'll go through a couple of the things. Actually, I re listened to the episode and I asked Azid Corin, do you know what you would do if you saw them? And you nailed it on the head. You got it immediately. It was basically that. There's a couple other nuances to it and other options, and I will share them in a moment. But similar to Bigfoot, many people have smelt the night marchers because. And I don't think I referenced this in episode 88, but apparently they have a really foul smell, almost sulfuric. Okay.

[Sabrina]

Like a volcano.

[Corinne]

Dead in some way. Right. But it's interesting because I feel like most ghosts, you don't smell death on them.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Like, if there is a smell, an.

[Sabrina]

Interesting thing, because oftentimes, like, sulfur is associated with volcanoes or like certain sulfuric springs and hot springs, or like evil entities or demons.

[Corinne]

Right. But that's what's so interesting about the night marchers. And I'll continue to explain what they are and how they present themselves, but they almost feel like a completely different category than spirit. It's almost like godly, or there's some extra ethereal aspect to them. So there are many people who have smelt them. There are many people who have seen them because they travel with torches, and there are many who have heard them. Fewer have seen them and survived to tell the tale, because if you look upon them, death is almost certain. The Hua Kai Po rise from their graves, roam the islands at night, and specifically on nights that honor the Hawaiian gods. They march from sunset to sunrise dressed for battle. Some carry spears or clubs, others carry torches that illuminate the night and can be seen many nights on the beaches, in deep forests, atop hills, truly anywhere.

[Sabrina]

Wow.

[Corinne]

And there are these paths that are believed to be night marcher paths, and if you build on top of them, they will truly go through it. If you park your car there. There's a place in Oahu, and I couldn't find a specific spot, but there's a parking spot, one specific parking spot in a lot that they ended up having to block off that spot because multiple cars overnight would get crushed and people would come back to their car the next morning, and it was because the night marcher's path goes through there, and they don't care what's there, they continue to go. They march accompanied by thunderous and ominous battle drums. They chant, and they also are accompanied by the warning sound of conch shells. So, like I said, many have heard their battle cries, seen their torches illuminating the Hawaiian landscape. Some have even smelt them, but no one dare looks at them, as it is said that any mortal who looks upon them will be seen as acting in defiance. And the night marchers will be Certain that that person dies, and not just dies, but dies violently. And this kind of relates to what their role was in life, because the night marchers in life were the guards and protectors of sacred people like kings, chiefs, chiefesses. So whoever they were guarding, it was disrespectful for a mortal or a regular human to look and make eye contact with that person. So the night marchers in life were ordered to kill anyone was disrespectful and tried to look at and make eye contact with this sacred being.

[Sabrina]

Wow.

[Corinne]

So now they still follow that same rule in death.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. I wonder if it's, like, to the extreme in death. Like, they take the one thing that they found themselves often doing, or, like, the one thing that was really tough to maybe force yourself to do, and then it just kind of festers and becomes this really.

[Corinne]

I don't know, because it's so. It's interesting because, like, their beliefs that if their lights are brighter, especially at the front of the group of marchers, it's believed that a goddess or priestess or the spirit of a sacred person that they protected is actually traveling with them.

[Sabrina]

Oh, interesting.

[Corinne]

So it's almost like they still are these protectors for the sacred people in the afterlife.

[Sabrina]

I'm just so curious now about, like, Hawaiian historical culture and stuff. Like, when did that sort of shift into when they had queens and whatnot?

[Corinne]

Well, there's such an amalgamation of different cultures, and if you've been to Uluau, they talk about the different cultures and peoples who came together. And we also talked about Pele, and there's so many gods and goddesses that they believe in that I am not educated enough on to speak about right now. But, like, there's an energy and a power that is there that is palpable.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, it does make me wonder. Like, not that I'm ever advising anyone look at them, but I do wonder if some people have gotten away looking at them, if the light is dimmer and there's not someone that they're protecting with them.

[Corinne]

There was one story on Reddit, and it's Reddit. So, you know, who knows how real it is? But this guy was like, my family has passed this story down through generations that, like, my great grandfather and the whole family was having, like, a luau, and my great grandfather was cooking late at night outside prepping for the dinner with his family, and apparently a group of night marchers were passing by, and out of fear, because he was that close to them, he offered them the food and was spared.

[Sabrina]

Wow. Because he showed a sign of respect.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

If you're just sitting there ogling at them, that's different.

[Corinne]

Or if you're looking for them.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Wow. Oh, my gosh.

[Corinne]

Yeah. So it was their job in life to protect these people. They swore to protect them. And I'm not sure they knew that this was an eternal job, but it appears it is. They will truly rise from old battlegrounds or truly emerge from the depths of sea, like, I feel like Pirates of the Caribbean style, where they just slowly come out and there will be large groups of them. And at first glance, you'll be like, oh, is that a human coming out of the ocean? And then you'll realize, no, no, there's a large number of them. And they may be chanting. There's battle drums, which will make you look twice. And then you might notice that they're actually floating. Some versions say that just one foot is in the ground and the others are floating. Some say that despite never really touching the ground, their feet leave footprints in the earth beneath them. And there are really only a few protective methods that you can take to protect yourself if you do see or come across the night marchers. The first is actually nothing you can do except for hope that you're born in a bloodline that has someone in the ranks of the night marchers. Because if you do, you are safe, you are protected, which I think is kind of amazing that they just know. And it is said that if you do have a relative amongst their ranks and you do see them, you will hear them. Yellow na, which means mine. Which basically signals to the rest of the night marchers that this is protected. You are one of us. No one can harm you.

[Sabrina]

The relief that someone must feel when they hear that. And what if you didn't even know that you were.

[Corinne]

I know that would be kind of cool. And there is also a legend that. So they mostly appear at night, but they will sometimes appear during the day. And it is said that they appear during the day when they're trying to escort a spirit of, like, a descendant to the afterlife, which I think is beautiful. If you are not related to them, it's fight or flight, really. Those are your options. The first option is, like you were saying, drop to the ground, lie motionless, and face down in the sand or ground, wherever you are. Stay quiet and as still as possible, and do not move until you are certain that they are gone. There is one iteration of this where you're supposed to completely disrobe and shed yourself of all your clothing. Which one? I Feel like would draw more attention to you.

[Sabrina]

That takes too much time. They could, right?

[Corinne]

But it's a belief. So if you do have the time, take your clothes off. Back in 2019, apparently I had found some article that said you should pee on yourself. And I actually found that same reference in an article talking about the photo, which we'll talk about in a minute. But multiple people emailed us saying, don't pee yourself.

[Sabrina]

Okay, we'll believe you guys.

[Corinne]

And I don't know if it was Also, I think 2019 was like, like peak me peeing myself by accident. That I was trying to normalize it or something.

[Sabrina]

I don't know. But don't say you were. Yeah, that's what you read.

[Corinne]

But what if they got it from our podcast?

[Sabrina]

Oh my God. Oh my God.

[Corinne]

Don't reference us. And thanks. Or you can, I guess. I don't know. But anyway, multiple people have emailed saying, don't pee yourself. That's not a thing. And then if you feel like dropping and just sitting there is not the situation to do, you run. Get out of there as fast as possible. Run and hide. And then I did find some practices that I hadn't. In episode 88, there is a plant that you can plant around your home like a shrub. It's called T T I Cordling fruticosi. It looks like there's. There's a photo.

[Sabrina]

Oh.

[Corinne]

And it's said to be protective against evil spirits. So I think if you put them around your home, it's supposed to help protect you.

[Sabrina]

It's weird because it's like, are they considered evil?

[Corinne]

That's what I don't know. I mean, if they're gonna kill you, I don't know. And then it's also like, if you're in their path, then nothing's going to prevent them from going through it.

[Sabrina]

Just so could that parking spot.

[Corinne]

I don't think so. I think if you put that there, I mean, maybe it would keep you safe. If they go through, you wouldn't be harmed.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Corinne]

It is also said to not have a home where the front door and back door are in like complete alignment, because that helps them. It's almost like an entryway for them to just walk straight through. But then again, like the parking spot story, if that's their path, that's their path.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. It's kind of confusing because it sounds like they have their go to designated paths, but sometimes they just take whatever path they want. So it's like, what are you gonna do just hope you're grilling and you can offer them the food.

[Corinne]

Yeah, I don't know. But to conclude this recap of the night marchers, there are multiple theories as to why they continue to march the land. Some believe that their duty was an eternal contract. Others believe that they're looking to reclaim territories that they lost in battle. Others think it's a residual haunting. But most locals, and myself included, will dismiss this, because when they're around and when you hear them, they feel so present and they interact. So it's not really residual. There is another belief that they're trying to avenge their deaths or that they're looking for the entrance to the next world. They often march on the last four Hawaiian moon phases before the moon goes completely dark, which is also super ominous.

[Sabrina]

Very.

[Corinne]

It feels like a warning. They have been seen marching in most parts of Hawaii. And in episode 88, we do discuss some of the places the night marchers are most commonly seen and known to visit. But now we're going to go in this episode into some visual representations or evidence of the night marchers.

[Sabrina]

Sorry, I just have to say, because you did reference Pirates of the Caribbean and them coming out of the water, I would be so curious if you were, like, in a submarine or in some shallow water in a boat if you would see it, because it does sound like if this is one specific group of night marchers, and it's not just like many different groups of night marchers that they do travel from island to island.

[Corinne]

That's interesting.

[Sabrina]

And if they come out of the sea and people see them marching out of the ocean, then are they marching on the sea floor?

[Corinne]

I mean, based on how many encounters there are, there must be multiple groups of night marchers, because they seem to be everywhere. And Hawaii, there's so many islands. There's so many little islands. Hawaii's not small.

[Sabrina]

And there were like. You were referencing, like, there were many different groups.

[Corinne]

Yeah. So the reason I wanted to revisit the night marchers is because of a photo that went pretty viral in 2021 after radio rental featured the story and the photo on episode 19. So if you wanna listen to that episode, you can go do that. And thanks to pain, I actually have the live photos.

[Sabrina]

Oh, the live photos they were sent.

[Corinne]

Because Payne spoke to. Her name is Kay, and she sent the actual live photos to Payne. So to those of you who think that they're photoshopped. No, they're not.

[Sabrina]

Holy shit.

[Corinne]

Kay Bourlet is a avid runner and not just like a couple Marathons. Runner. Runner. She's an ultra marathon runner. And so In January of 2019, on the morning of a blood moon, nonetheless, Kay was competing in the hurt 100 mile race, which I love. It's called hurt. It's probably an acronym, but feels after it does hurt. It took place in Oahu's Honolulu Mauka Trails. It was a grueling 20 mile loop that participants had to run five times.

[Sabrina]

Oh, that would.

[Corinne]

No, it's in a park, like in the forest and trails. So it's treacherous. It has obstacles, thick mud, tree roots, water crossings, cliffs, rocky inclines, and it's hot. And apparently night marchers. Kay was running and her pacing partner Cassie was just behind her and occasionally would be taking photos. And I think they probably both, you know, took photos of one another running. Cause this is a hundred miles. What else are you gonna do? And as you can imagine, there are not a ton of people who run a hundred mile ultra marathons. And this event specifically, I looked it up, is limited to 135 participants. So that stat alone, like you can imagine on a 20 mile loop, you're not seeing people often. And Kay and Cassie themselves even said that like they were pretty much running by themselves. It was early in the morning, they were not seeing other people. This trail was probably closed for the day for the public. And this run was difficult. But K had done many races like this before until things took a turn or her ankle took a turn. And on her second to last lap. So somewhere between 60 and 80 miles, Kay hurt her ankle and she had to leave the race, which was the first time in her entire career running that she had to do this, which she was really upset with. And bye. It happens. She left the race and she returned home, started her healing process. And a couple days later, Cassie, who was her race pacer, sent along some of the photos that she had on her phone from the race. And then as Kay is going through these photos, many of them are live photos. Kay sees something weird. In two or three of the live photos, you can see something emerge seemingly out of nowhere. And thanks to pain, I have said live photos shared from K herself. So first we're going to look at a couple of the photos. And then I took a video of myself playing the live photo. And we can look at that. Here's the first photo. And these are not live. Here's the second photo. And it like doesn't look like anything's in here. Right?

[Sabrina]

There's nothing in the brush.

[Corinne]

And then you start to see it.

[Sabrina]

What? Wait I need to zoom in on the sand. It's so confusing because it also looks like they're wearing glasses.

[Corinne]

See, I feel like I'm glad.

[Sabrina]

It also looks like they're sunken.

[Corinne]

There's no eyes.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, yeah. It's also like the sunken cheekbones where, like, people get the line around their mouth.

[Corinne]

Here, I'll show you the video now. Like, they feel like they come out of nowhere. Wait, I zoom in again.

[Sabrina]

So this is on the trail.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

It's so confusing because, like, they didn't see. They didn't see this person on the trail. How can you miss that person? The trail's so. It's so skinny. But then it's like, what is happening? Because everyone else can see the night marchers and you're not supposed to look at them, but here it is in a photo, but they didn't see. I'm so confused.

[Corinne]

And in my mind, I almost don't believe that this is actually a night marcher. I do believe that it's something odd or an entity of some kind. And Kay at the time was like, this is really weird because, yeah, like, you're saying the trail is pretty narrow. And where this person appears in the photo, Kay and Cassie would have run right past them moments after the photo was taken.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Corinne]

They would have seen a person.

[Sabrina]

And it almost looks like the person.

[Corinne]

Is seeing them, like, looking towards them.

[Sabrina]

Yes.

[Corinne]

And so there's a lot of debate with this photo. And Kay and Cassie, basically, like, between the two of them, are sending this back and forth, and they're like, what? What the heck? Like, is this a person? What is happening? And then they start researching this trail that the Wraith is on, and they find stories of people seeing, hearing, and counting night marchers. And so they're like, is this a night marcher? Which then Kay is sharing this photo online. People start to pick it up, and a lot of people give Kay a lot of shit. And one people are like, that is Photoshopped. K spent a lot of time on Reddit responding to people being like, no, I promise it's not. It's a live photo. My friend and I both ran right past this place. We did not see anyone or anything. Some people are saying it's a person covered in mud. It seems to appear out of nowhere. Like, which. Some people argue, no, it's coming out of the bushes. Which, fine, maybe, but, like, they would have seen this person.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. It doesn't matter where they came from, what they could be covered in.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

In the end, this is a narrow trail. The person in the picture appears to be looking right in their direction. Especially if they're running, they're gonna make contact in just a matter of a couple seconds.

[Corinne]

Right. So then there are all these other theories. And I do feel like Hawaii has so many legends and ghost stories that it really, who knows, it could be something other than a night marcher. Either way, even if it's a human, it's terrifying to think that this person was just lurking in the deep Hawaiian trails covered in mud, if that's a real person covered in mud. And it kind of reminds me of the image of the Fae woman that we read. Fae orgy from the Fae orgy story. It's an encounters episode where they experienced what they thought was this beautiful sexual siren of sorts who mesmerized all of them. But then the next morning when they saw her, she looked almost witch like and had like really dirty garb on.

[Sabrina]

I still don't get it because like how do you hide yourself again in just a matter of seconds?

[Corinne]

I don't know.

[Sabrina]

And it's also on the other side of the brush. It looks like it's a drop off.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

So it's not like, oh my gosh, I want to stay hidden. Let me just like pop out, jump into the woods or like run into the woods over here. And also they would hear the rustling.

[Corinne]

I know. And it's on multiple photos. So like as you'll have seen, I played the live and zoomed in and it's not a one time thing. It's caught on three photos and three lives. You can see the series of it moving and then it's got really deep sunken in eyes. Like almost looks like it doesn't have eyeballs.

[Sabrina]

And the cheeks are very gaunt to the point where it looks like there's glasses because there is such a shadow of like, like the cheekbone and the.

[Corinne]

Exactly. K just posited like is this a night marcher? Because she had seen that there was this lore and legend of night marchers in this area. I'm curious what you all think. I'm also curious if you think maybe it has something to do with why K hurt her ankle. Like she encountered them.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, like she didn't make eye contact, but she might have ran through one.

[Corinne]

Where it's like, it's strange. Anyway, we have some more evidence and I'm going to share a story actually from a listener, Tiffany, who sent us an email who said, I just got done listening to the Boo Cation episode and Sabrina was pretty spot on with her Story about night marchers. And I wanted to read that part because. Thank you. I'm born and raised in Hawaii, and one thing I've never heard of is peeing yourself when you come across the night marchers. Everyone in Hawaii grew up learning you either have to strip naked and lie down facing the ground or just lie down. When I was in elementary school in Maui, I had a classmate that had her story shared in a ghost book of Hawaii. I can't remember the name of the book, but the story was this. Her family had her crib placed in part of the house. That was apparently in the way of the night marcher's path. They would hear drumming and every night find the baby. My classmate moved out of her crib. They learned quickly what was happening and rearranged her room, which almost makes me think the night marchers purposely moved her out of their path. Or a spirit moved her out of.

[Sabrina]

Their path to protect her night after night, after. Whoa.

[Corinne]

Another story here in Oahu was I was camping with friends and family, and us kids wanted to see the night marchers coming down the mountain. It was a rainy night and we waited up way past midnight, and right before we decided to call it a night, we saw a line of fire going down the mountain. We were pretty excited, even though it wasn't our first time seeing that. And then one of our uncles came and got us and saw what we were doing and said, hey, you guys like to die? Close your eyes and go to sleep. I have a lot of other stories from Hawaii. It's full of history and energy and even stories my family have about living in Samoa and a possession that happened to my aunt. I'll write again soon, but until then, stay spooky and mahalo. Tiffany.

[Sabrina]

This makes me so curious too. What does happen if you are sleeping in the way of a night marcher? Like, what if you're camping?

[Corinne]

A lot of people have stories of camping. A lot of people. If you go on Reddit, there are so many threads. Just search night marcher on Reddit and there are tons of threads, like going back nine years. The most recent one I saw was like six months ago. People were talking about night marchers and their experiences. But I think similar to with a lot of paranormal things, it's intention based. Like if you are intentionally going out and seeking them and then looking at them and disrespecting them, they'll know. But there are a lot of stories of people, like sleeping, camping in tents, hearing the marching, like literally right outside, and they just lay there Paralyzed in fear until the sound goes away.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Because I'd be worried about the tent being trampled. Or, like, what do you feel when they march on top of you? Because if they're crushing cars.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Or if you're showing the sign of respect, they'll just go around you.

[Corinne]

I don't know.

[Sabrina]

Or if you're an innocent baby, I'll protect you.

[Corinne]

Well, there's another story that I found on Reddit that I'll read briefly, but it reminds me of the protective part. So this was posted 6 months ago by Dr. Up and they said this happened to me 30 years ago. I was in my 20s. I was home alone, sitting on the bed, and I saw dark figures passing by the window. Suddenly I felt weight push me down on the bed. I was out of breath. The feeling was so scary. As soon as the shadows passed, my breath returned with a force. I was shook. I talked to my auntie the next day, and she told me I was blessed because someone was protecting me by holding me down as the marchers passed by. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Spirits of Hawaii know the rules of the night marchers.

[Corinne]

Okay, now two more potential evidence of the night marchers caught on camera in 2022, a TikTok user called Pokey P O K. I posted a video from the woods in Oahu of what he believed to be the drumming sounds of the night marchers. And we're going to play that video now.

[Sabrina]

You heard that one? Yeah. Sound like one knock on top, one on top, One tree. You heard that too, right?

[Corinne]

Huh?

[Sabrina]

Okay, we going back. What?

[Corinne]

It didn't.

[Sabrina]

It kind of sound like one of.

[Corinne]

Those.

[Sabrina]

Old drums, Ancient drums. Oh, you.

[Corinne]

Oh, that.

[Sabrina]

Are you serious? That's what I thought it sounded like, bruh. Like Duke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Well, it's coming from that. That. Coming from all the way up there. All up there. Right? That's what I heard, too. That's not good, bro.

[Corinne]

That sound is a little bit like. It's more focused on the two of them kind of freaking out hearing it.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. But there is, like, one friend. It's like, why are you saying yes to me? This, this.

[Corinne]

But they're in the woods. Like, could you imagine being alone in the. Oh, so scary.

[Sabrina]

No. I would be shitting myself.

[Corinne]

Okay, now, the last photo that I have, I found. It was posted on Reddit a year ago by the user Mysterious and magical, they wrote. I think I might have captured one on my camera during a ghost tour about five years ago. I remember taking about 100 pictures or so and I got home and I went through all of my tour photos and I never saw anything of interest or anything that grabbed my attention right away. I went through these pictures at least three times. However, I got to one photo in particular on the third time going through and I immediately gasped and got goosebumps. I remember hearing about the night marchers on tour and how they marched prisoners or individuals for sacrifice up to the volcano. How they had painted faces, wore elaborate uniforms. I don't know. All I know is that there was nothing and no one in these photos originally. Now there is, and I can't explain the height of the figure. It almost looks like it's wearing a costume and a crown with huge arms and wrist cuffs and a white rumpled.

[Sabrina]

Like skirt which also marching up to a volcano and then them smelling like sulfur. That makes sense.

[Corinne]

That also makes sense. So this photo, I wish the user had posted the original photo and then the zoomed in version. But this is the zoomed in version of the photo and it's taken like over the back of a shoulder of someone else who was on the tour. And when you zoom in and you can see like that's like almost the lower part of the arm. And they do look like they're wearing like metal.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. There's a reflectiveness.

[Corinne]

Yeah. And I'm curious where this was like where they were on the tour.

[Sabrina]

It's also interesting because it's like you're not supposed to look at them, but then accidental photos, like you're looking at the lens of your camera that's looking at them. So I guess maybe that's enough of a block that if you're not actively seeing them when you take the photo.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And also you're not considered to be disrespectful, I guess.

[Corinne]

I don't know.

[Sabrina]

Spooky.

[Corinne]

It is spooky.

[Sabrina]

It's like you're not consciously and actively choosing to look at them.

[Corinne]

Right. Yeah. They photobombed your photo. You didn't ask them to do that? No, I think it's safe to say. And also I am not in the authority to dictate whether or not this is real, but I absolutely believe in the night marchers. And I know that people local or raised in Hawaii avidly believe in them and know to respect them. And all I know for certain is do not look for them and do not pee on yourself when you see them.

[Sabrina]

Yep.

[Corinne]

Good.

[Sabrina]

Good rules right there.

[Corinne]

Good rules to follow.

[Sabrina]

Dang.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Okay, send us all evidence of everything. I want fairies. I want Leprechauns. I want mermaids. I want cryptids in the woods.

[Corinne]

Yeah, ghosts.

[Sabrina]

Everything.

[Corinne]

Everything. We want it all.

[Sabrina]

We've asked for ghost photos before and people really delivered, which we're gonna use more of them in future episodes. But like, this should be beyond just your typical ghost.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Anything that you've been injured and send.

[Corinne]

Us your bigfoot calls and we will put a compilation together.

[Sabrina]

I can't wait.

[Corinne]

It's gonna be so fun. Thank you all for joining us and being a listener of the podcast again. Please tell people about our podcast, the pyramid scheme to at least two people and then tell them to tell two people and then so on and so forth. And rate and review us on itunes. Email us@2girls1ghost podcastmail.com and if you want ad free and one week early content plus bonus episodes plus live campfire stories every Tuesday, join us on Patreon.

[Sabrina]

Shout out. To Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. We could not do it without you. And thank you to all of you who come back every single week. We love you and we will see you on the other side.

[Corinne]

Very spooky.