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Hi. Hello. This is Two Girls, One Ghost. Two girls, one Ghost.
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And we are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.
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Hello.
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And I am Sabrina. And we are Bloodbathed in Red.
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Appropriate for this episode.
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Yes. And before we talk about or you talk about what you covered and what you researched, I have a book recommendation and I texted you Ash and Elena and no one responded. It was cricket. So I'm mad, but sorry, I read it. So instead, always read instead. I'm going to tell all of my podcast friends who will respond.
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You messaged the three worst texters and then expected a response. Sorry.
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Yeah, that's true. I'm not mad. I'm over it. Okay. But, so the other day I walked over to the really small, like, little bookstore that's local to Marblehead. Saltwater Bookstore. You know, when you walk into a bookstore, you're, like, overwhelmed by how many books there are and the fact that you're never going to be able to read all of the books.
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Yes. It doesn't stop me from buying a bunch to be like, well, there's nothing better than an unread library in your own home. Right?
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Exactly. A Beauty and the Beast library, if you will. But I usually buy hardcover books. For some reason, I was drawn to this paperback. It's the only paperback on, like, the one shelf that I went to. Like, all I saw was the side.
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What's it called? The Body and Her.
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Her Body and Other Parties. It's by Carmen Maria Machado and it is so good. It's a Bunch of short stories. But the very first one was, and I texted this to you guys, it's like if the lady with the green ribbon, the girl with the green ribbon, got married and had kids and her story, like her telling her story. And she has lived through every urban legend and scary story told in the dark.
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So is this a horror book?
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No, it's about women. Because the second story is called Inventory and it's basically a woman talking about every sexual encounter she's had, like with men and women, but in the context of living through the end of the world. And yeah, it's really good stories. Each one differs, but the first one was like only 33 pages.
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Okay, so there's a lot of stories in here.
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Yeah. An inventory of lovers written as the world falls apart.
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Have you read was it. Is it called Three Women or something?
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Oh, that's why I grabbed this, because I am obsessed with three women.
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Okay. That's why I was going to ask, because this sounds a. A similar ish to Three Women. Unpopular opinion.
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You didn't like it?
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No.
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Okay.
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I didn't finish it either. I got a third of the way through and I was like, I can't do this. I'm not sure I would like this book.
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It's very different. It's very, very different.
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Okay.
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Like, so different. I thought from reading the description that it reminded me of Three women, but it's so different. Three Women is like real stories. This is very fictionalized and it plays on the horror genre.
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This. Yeah, if it plays on horror, then maybe I'll like it. It's really specific. Like a nonfiction book for me has to be so far away from my life or people that I know and what they're experiencing, because I need the escape.
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Did you like my Dark Vanessa?
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I actually really did like my Dark Vanessa. That's interesting.
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Cause that feels, while it's fiction, feels very real.
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Yes. But I also luckily personally don't know anyone who was groomed by a middle aged man in school.
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You are fortunate to not know anyone who is groomed.
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Yes, I am.
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Yes. But anyway, this author also has one called in the Dream House. I mean, all of her books are incredible and she plays on like the horror genre in like a cool, feminine, LGBTQ way. Yeah.
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Okay, well, I'll give it a try. Because if it's short stories, I feel.
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Like I'll lend it to you.
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There's a little something for me.
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I'll stamp it.
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Stamp it so that it says, sabrina got my stamps.
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Yes, the library of the library. Of mine's spooky. Anyway, that's what I wanted to tell you. Also, I wanted to tell you I ate Taco Bell for breakfast this morning and I'm very happy about was a two day old bean and cheese burrito that's been sitting in my fridge and I smothered it in mild sauce and I devoured that baby cold.
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Is it okay to eat two day old Taco Bell?
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I'm still kicking.
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If you wonder why Sabrina sometimes poops her pants, this is probably mine.
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Hey, I actually pooped before today.
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Before today?
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Before I ate.
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You've had. You've had a poop prior to today.
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I've had one singular poop. One singular poop in my entire life, which is not far off. But that's not what we're here to talk about. I hope you all eat Taco Bell. We are not sponsored.
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And oh, my God, that would be so amazing. That would be sponsored by back when I wasn't gluten free, which I should have had, but I didn't know. Chicken chalupas. I take that down. I think I just like sour cream. I think that's what I'm deducing because everywhere I go, if there's sour cream, I like the dish.
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Have you tried my bean dip?
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I don't think so.
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You're missing out. I'm gonna make it for you.
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Okay. Similar to. Was it last episode where we were talking about, like, naming bars? It was like the new inn or whatever I feel like my bean dip would be. If you ever wanted to, like, package up your bean dip, Calling it my bean dip is actually kind of smart.
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All right, anyone else want to try my bean dip? Come on over to the studio next week. We'll make it for you.
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You gotta pay five bucks.
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Only five bucks. Oh, my gosh. I'll post the recipe on Patreon.
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There we go.
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Anyway, thanks for letting me talk because I hadn't talked to anyone in a day.
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So since yesterday when we were talking. Yeah, I feel like I also didn't talk to anyone else. I talked to a child. I was gonna talk about the moon landing being faked. I have not. I started to research it, and then I was like, man, this conspiracy is deep. And it is just, you know, filled with photos. Faked or not, if you're gonna do.
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It, you gotta do it.
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If I'm gonna do it, I need to come at it like full fledged. The moon landing was faked whether I believe it or not and provide a lot of evidence. And I just Felt like I was too rushed to have a quality moon conspiracist hat on me.
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It's not 2018 anymore. We're not doing half assed. Not half assed, but we're not doing.
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Shorter episodes before this is. We do the full length episodes so that we can actually do as much research as we feel is appropriate for.
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I started reading a 189 page book this morning for my episode that we're recording tomorrow. See, this is what I'm gonna be up.
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All right. Yeah, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. And so I decided to go a different route and choose a story that's kind of a warning of what could happen. When you google yourself, it's dark, it's twisted, and sometimes it ends in death. Oh, I know you've googled yourself. I totally have too.
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For sure. The first thing that when you type my name, it like auto fills divorced question mark.
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Wait, should we do it right now?
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Yeah. Well, as you said that we shouldn't do this anymore, but yeah.
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Oh, Sabrina. I don't want to read these out loud.
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Read them out loud.
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Okay. It says Sabrina DeannaRoga address. Sabrina Deanna Roga Nick. Sabrina Deanna Roga wedding. Okay. I think people are less interested in my life, so let's see what comes up for me. Oh, interesting. People did Google husband. They don't even know his name, just husband. Corin Vian Podcast. Corin Vian Husband. Corin Vian Age withered. Brian. Two girls with a guy.
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Brian with a Y. I've seen a lot of people spelling it wrong. Brian with a Y. Yeah, but I.
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Feel like usually when you google yourself, it's just like a lot of Instagram photos that you once archived and are upset still coming up. Or, you know, articles to like an old soccer game, stats from high school, random stuff like that. Things that don't really matter and that maybe you care about but probably no one else will see. However, that is not what happened to one girl who decided to Google herself one day. Honora Petrova was born in Portland, Oregon. And from a young age, she lived for the ice. She was super big figure skater and was just like so into that world with really high hopes. However, she wasn't the best though. She worked really hard at figure skating.
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Can I ask a question, just to clarify? Anora Petrova, is this a real person and is she related to Maria Petrova who is a Olympic figure skater from Russia?
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I have no idea if they're related. And it's up to the listeners to decide whether she's real or not.
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Oh, okay.
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So she lived in Oregon. Skating was her passion. It was her identity. And she was very talented, she was very ambitious. But she at the time hadn't really won any big titles. So she was just kind of like on her local skating team with the dreams of one day making it big. Right. So Anora, whose nickname was Annie, she had a big, crucial competition coming up. It was the Crystal Classic competition. And she was up late at night. She could not sleep before the competition. Her mind was reeling. She was like, oh my gosh, I really want to win this. This is so important. This is such a big thing. I haven't won any titles before. Just, you know, like the nerves of a big competition happening the next day.
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This reminds me so much of my childhood because my sister was a huge figure skater. We would go to Canada every summer so that she could train with other skaters who went on to go to the Olympics, which is so wild. So I just feel what made Lexi stop? I mean, she skated through high school, but then I think she just stopped becoming as competitive and then went to college.
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I do remember there was someone in my high school, she was a few years older than me, and she dropped out to full time train to be like a hopeful Olympic.
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I feel like that's one of the tough things is if you're trying to live a normal life as well, it is hard to balance. Yeah, Like, I feel like a lot of them do go to like full time training, right?
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Yeah. Even with just like skiing and snowboarding. I had friends that would go to like boarding school. Luckily we were in Vermont. So it's like they're going to school 30 minutes away and still got to hang out with their friends in spare days. But like, yeah, you do have to dedicate a ton of time. And basically your whole academic world is so different. Your social world's so different. So this wasn't Annie's world yet, but it would become her world soon. But she was nervous. Before the Crystal Classic, she was up late at night, she was surfing the web, just clicking around, could not focus on anything. And then for the first time maybe ever, she decided to Google her name and what came up with just like some random articles, as you would expect, about just like different skating events that had happened, like where she had placed, where she ranked, stuff like that. But then there was another link that she hadn't seen before. It was a Wikipedia page titled Honora Petrova. And so she's thinking, I think her name you know, like, she's like, is this me or is this someone else? You know, probably someone else with the same name. So she clicks on it, and the article, to her surprise, is actually about her. It has. Where she lives. So Portland, Oregon. It had the name of her parents, and then it had just like some random stats about her skating history. But then there was something else that stood out. On the page. It stated that the winner of this year's Crystal Classic was Honora Petrova. But this competition had not happened yet. It was the next day.
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So it's interesting because Wikipedia, you could add information. I think you can create a page like Wikipedia is outsourced from the community. It is then fact checked.
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Yeah. I think, like, when you make a change, you have to submit it, right? Yeah. And then it goes through whatever process it is.
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So, like, presumably someone could have made this about her.
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Totally. And I think that that is what she thought. So she thought at first, like, maybe it was someone on her skating team or like a coach, someone in that league or her dad. She was suspicious that maybe it was her d. Someone who made the page, just hoping that, like, if she one day found it, it would serve as motivation for her.
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Interesting.
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But it was also, like, really odd. So she was like, this is really.
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Because I also think stalker.
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Right. She's also in high school at this point.
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Like, she's young, so I still think stalker.
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So it totally could be stalker.
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Especially the figure skating community. I feel like it is pretty small. I could imagine, because I imagine dark things. There's a predator type person who is obsessive over the skating community.
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Yeah, no, definitely. It's possible. I don't think she thought that at the time, or at least she hadn't stated that. She's not. She's innocent. She's innocent. So she was. She was just, like, curious, like, who was trying to help encourage me, who made this, because other than it stating that she was about to win the competition, that was happening the next day, everything else was just like, basic fact. Right. Like a bare bones Wikipedia page. So the very next day, she asks Annie, asks her dad if he made the Wikipedia page. And he's like, no, I had nothing to do with that. I don't know what you're talking about. I did not do that. But then later that day, when she goes to the competition, the Crystal Classic, she performs super well and she wins. So the Wikipedia page essentially predicted or at least encouraged her, gave her the motivation and the belief in herself that she could win. And so she Won the Crystal Classic.
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Right. So now we're like, is this a coincidence?
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Yes. Is this a coincidence? Or is this some weird thing happening on Wikipedia where it's like predicting what would come next? So Annie's super excited. Her family is incredibly excited that she won and this really lit a fire under her. So basically ever since her win at the Crystal Classic, she was just skating her heart out and doing super well, to the point where she became so dedicated to the sport that her parents were like, we do need to take this really seriously. And Annie's wanting, like this sport to be her whole life. So they hired a skating coach, Classic name Sergey. Sergey, this kidney coach, who was quite expensive. It's expensive to have a kid in a competitive sport.
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It's expensive to have a kid.
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It's expensive to have a kid generally.
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But yes, it's expensive to have yourself 100%. You can't eat Taco Bell every night. No. As much as you want to.
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So each night before any competition, Annie started having a habit of checking her Wikipedia page and every single time it would state on her Wikipedia page where she ranked on a competition that was the next day.
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So not even just like first place every time it was accurate. Like if it was third place.
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Yeah, it was like wherever she had placed in the competition the day before, the day before, which was really weird. And she still had no idea what was going on or who was doing this. But, like, because it was the day before, I think she could have probably assumed it was again, someone within her circle and it was just like weird coincidences, maybe well researched skaters. I don't know because I also don't.
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Know where this is going. I imagine it's going to take a turn, but I'm like, is this a glitch, a weird slip in time?
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Right?
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Yeah, because time's happening all at once.
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But it's strange that it would happen so many times in a row that this Wikipedia page on her computer is a full one day ahead.
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Ahead.
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Yeah. So very strange. But this was her, like, ritual, her pre competition ritual.
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I would do the same. I would. Especially after, like a second time this happens. I'd be like, well, now I need to see this.
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I also feel like it would be discouraging. Would it be discouraging or would it be motivating if you saw that you didn't win?
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But it would be like a challenge, right? Be like, I'll show you.
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Or are you two in your head where you make one mistake and you're like, well, of course that's because I'm coming in third today.
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Yeah.
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I don't know. But at 15 years old, Annie won the regionals. And shortly after that, her coach, Sergey, convinced her mom and dad that Annie was the real deal. She was showing a ton of promise. She'd improved so much in the past year or so that if she kept on this path, like, she truly did have a chance of going to the Olympics, of being a professional skater in some capacity.
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Right.
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So Annie really wanted that and that is what she vocalized to her parents. She was more encouraged than ever. And. And whoever was running this page that she didn't really talk about, she kept it to herself. It was this amazing source of motivation for her. So Annie and her family made the very difficult decision to pull her from school and have her focus full time on ice skating. Every day, Annie would train for hours with her coach. But unfortunately, despite all the training, her coach was like, okay, well, you know, I think you have a ton of promise. I think you're super talented, but you're not progressing at the speed in which you need to in order to compete at the caliber. Yeah. That you need to. To reach this. So it was almost like she'd plateaued a little bit in her abilities. So there was a lot of pressure on her to win this championship that was coming up. So she was really, really crushed by this. Basically being told, you know, like, you're probably not good enough. Like, it's really hard to hear. Yeah.
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That's very discouraging.
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Yeah. Especially after, like, dropping out of school and dedicating all your life to this.
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One sport, no matter what age you are, like.
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Yeah.
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Finding yourself at the conclusion of some type of endeavor that you've tried to pursue. Like, there's a lot of grief.
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Right. I also think it's hard when it's a sport because I feel like there's so many different things that, like, maybe you love something, it's your passion and it isn't right for you in that moment, but then you can come back, like in 20 years. Like, I think about like, you know, people who like writing or. Writing.
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Yeah. But you can't do that with sports.
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With sports is so age and like body specific.
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Yeah.
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That it is really hard to just take a pause.
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Like you can always go back to school and get a new degree or like.
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Or star in the 40 year old Virgin and suddenly become Steve Carell, you know.
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Exactly.
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There's so many opportunities. The guy wrote the Squid Game. Suddenly it's, you know, top grossing Netflix. There's So many opportunities for so many people. It doesn't matter your age or, like, when you come into this hobby or passion. But with sports, you are limited if you want to be Olympic athlete.
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What's like the. I don't know why I'm stroking the microphone. It just feels nice, though. I'm trying to think, like, what the most elderly friendly sport is. Shuffleboard.
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Yeah. Or like curling. I don't know, though, because curling is. Yeah. Rigorous on the shoulders and arms. Right.
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I know people really love pickleball, but it's still like such an exertion. It's like a lot.
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Yeah.
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Like, I'm trying to think, what's.
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Do you like archery?
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But even that, you need a lot of strength, like back and arm strength. Should we Google it?
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Let's give a quick Google. Okay, I'll do this. Oldest Olympic athlete, and then we'll see.
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What sport they do.
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Oskar Swan of Sweden competed in shooting. So not archery, but shooting. That makes sense. In the 1920 Antwerp Olympics, at the age of 72 years old, he won the silver medal.
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What's the next oldest? Because that doesn't feel like a sport. You know what sport I really miss is badminton. Oh. I used to play it in my backyard as a kid.
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Our neighbors have one.
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Yeah.
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It says equestrian is generally considered the sport in the Olympics of the oldest athletes, with many of the competitors in their 50s, 60s, and even 70s.
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Oh, okay.
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Shooting and archery also have a history of older athletes competing at high levels.
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Okay. So there are options, but it's limited. Yeah.
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Ice skating definitely more limited.
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Yeah.
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Okay. So basically it was like, you need to win the championship or you need to be really highly ranked at the championship to be able to continue on the level that you need to. To be able to one day be an Olympian here or just like, at the level of professional skater that you want to be.
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Yeah.
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So before the championship is sectionals, and he has to play in sectionals to go on to compete in the championship. So sectionals came. It consumed her, the idea that she needed to win. The pressure she needed to win. And Annie would do something she would later deeply regret. She was not the one favored to win sectionals. It was actually her friend, one of her best friends on this in the skating world, Bri. She was like the talk of winning sectionals, but with all this pressure internally and also from her coach and probably just. I'm sure she was internalizing some of it with like, oh, my parents gave me so much. They paid for so much. They did all this. And that and I need to perform because they gave up a lot too. She was just overwhelmed with all this pressure. Brie was the favored one.
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This is like leading up to the whole like Tonya Harding story.
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Yeah. Where it's like all pressure like that.
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Okay. She didn't, she wasn't trying to breeze.
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But she was trying to hack the system because her Wikipedia page seemed to always predict the future. And so she decided to create an account and attempt to update that Wikipedia page that always had the stats on her to write that she was the winner of sectionals.
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Yeah, emphasis on easy.
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Very. I like to take my vitamin C pouch and my sea moss pouch and like squeeze them both into my mouth at the same time and like double.
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Pouch it you got me into Putting. Because I was originally doing that, and then you said that sometimes you put it in your drink.
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Yeah.
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And I have been doing that.
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And Symbiotica has really clean ingredients, and plus, you can order them straight to your door, so it's extremely convenient. And it's just so easy to add into your routine.
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B
Yes. And while we take the Irish Sea moss and the vitamin C every day, they have so many different supplements that you can explore and find what's right for you, whether you're looking to boost your gut health, boost your mind, help with sleep. They have so many choices. Go to symbiotica.com forward/tgog for 20 off plus free shipping. That's symbiotica.com forward slash TGOG for 20 off plus free shipping. She clicked the button to submit the information to the page, which goes through some sort of process. It's like, okay, you've submitted it. It will be, like, reviewed and whatever. So later on, she goes back to check the page to see if it has been updated and accepted.
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A
Is this the day before sectionals?
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B
Like, no idea.
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A
Okay. I think maybe that would make sense, given all the other encounters were.
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B
But whenever it was, she went back to the Wikipedia page to check, and the statement that she had submitted to the page was not accepted. It was not there. But another sentence was. It said. And I have a screenshot of it if you're watching on YouTube. And Nora Petrova is a selfish little bitch going to get what she deserves.
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A
Okay, like, chills.
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B
Because the juxtaposition of that statement to just like, Anna Petrova placed third in regionals.
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A
Right.
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B
Anna Petrova won the crystal classic on August 18th.
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A
So this is indicating whoever is actually responsible for creating this page is menacing.
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B
Yeah. It's not just, like, some weird glitch.
- [25:53]
A
Or something, like there is or someone supporting her now. It's someone who's like, there's real energy.
- [25:58]
B
Behind this seemingly bad energy. So she's like, what the hell? Who was running this page, who seemed to be my supporter and is now hating on me, bullying me, right? Like, it's so scary. So she breaks down, right? She's a. She's a teenager, early teens. She's super distraught. She's crying all night long. And the next day, when she shows up to the competition, she just looks terrible. Her eyes are puffy. They're really red and swollen. Her mind's a mess. And I don't even know if she went on to skate or not. But I do know that when Bri Was skating. She was watching Bri's routine, which is Bree's, one of her friends, and Bree's also the one that was favored to win this competition. One of the blades during Bree's performance snaps. The tip of the metal blade comes off, and it flies, and it hits Annie right in the forehead, and she falls down on the ground, and when she picks up her fake, she's, like, gushing blood.
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A
Is this Final Destination?
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B
It seems like it, doesn't it?
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A
Which, by the way, I loved the new Final Destination.
- [26:59]
B
Oh, I haven't watched it. It was the same creators and writers.
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A
I think different, but same concept. And it, like, is a continuation of the previous five that have been out.
- [27:09]
B
Oh, interesting. All right. So she's, like, gushing blood. She's on the ground. You would assume everyone would be running over to her, being like, oh, my God, are you okay? Are you okay? But instead, she had such anxious energy around not winning, and I think had, like, vocalized enough that people started to become really suspicious that she actually was trying to sabotage Brie. Because earlier that day, she was holding. She was, like, carrying her skates and Brie's skates. And so people were like, well, you had some time alone with Brie skates. Did you try to do something? Like, it just so happened that she got hit, but, like, people.
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A
Because, yeah, she's there with, like, a metal saw.
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B
Yeah. In the back. Cutting off.
- [27:46]
A
Cutting off one tiny little blade of her friend skate.
- [27:50]
B
Yeah. So I don't know how many people believed this, but basically, like, there was enough talk and, like, chaos in that moment that all of this was happening. Also, she's a high schooler, but she got disqualified, so she was not the winner. Regionals. She could not go on.
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A
With zero evidence that she had actually done anything, apparently. Okay.
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B
Couldn't go on to win the state championship. I'm sure if she hadn't skated her routine either yet, like, how could she have? She was gushing blood out of her forehead.
- [28:19]
A
So, okay, the day after she finds this message, all of this bad luck is happening to her.
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B
Yeah. It said, honora Petrova is a selfish little bitch who's going to get what she deserves. And then she got hit in the forehead with a skate and disqualified and could not go on to win the competitions that she needed to or participate in them.
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A
Okay.
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B
So everyone believed that she had tampered with Bree skates, that it was an attempt to sabotage her routine, that she would do anything to win. But Annie was like, I literally would never do that. I would never do anything to hurt anyone else, especially one of my close friends, Bri. But that was it. Like, that. No one wanted to hear her side of the story. Her coach, Sergey, was like, I have to drop you. Like, this is bad press for me and the local skating.
- [29:04]
A
Coaching Harding. It's like the accidental.
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B
It's.
- [29:08]
A
If Tony Harding wasn't guilty, if she.
- [29:10]
B
Didn'T actually try to break someone's leg. So, yeah, he was like, I don't need this bad press. And so she basically was, like, ostracized, dumped, blacklisted, whatever you want to say from the skating world. And this was someone who dropped out of school, her parents put up all this money. Like, she didn't really have much of a life outside of skating. Skating was her entire life. So she was really struggling mentally, emotionally, like, so badly.
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A
Devastating.
- [29:36]
B
Yeah. She said that she couldn't even get ice time to try to go skate herself.
- [29:42]
A
She was blacklisted from everywhere, basically.
- [29:44]
B
Yeah. People were really upset because they thought she was fully trying to injure and hurt another ice skater. So people thought she was a psychopath.
- [29:53]
A
What's up, Michelle Trachtenberg? Which RIP movie where she's a figure skater and she learns to skate on the pond? The frozen pond.
- [30:01]
B
I don't know. I don't think I've seen it.
- [30:02]
A
I think it's a Disney movie. Let me see.
- [30:04]
B
Oh, Disney Ice. Disney Ice Princess.
- [30:09]
A
Ice Princess. That was such a good one.
- [30:11]
B
So even though she's not competing in anything anymore, Annie decides one day that she's gonna look at the Wikipedia page again. And when she checks it, she is startled because it's not just the facts about her previous stats. Like, it is completely changed. It is vulgar slander. Like, it is just so aggressive, such bullying statements. And each time she would check it, it would be updated and there would be something worse said about her.
- [30:36]
A
So stop checking it.
- [30:38]
B
It's hard to. Especially when you're in middle school. Do you remember when we had MySpace and there were those, like, Anonymous.
- [30:44]
A
Oh, Facebook had Honesty Box.
- [30:46]
B
Or maybe I was thinking of Honesty Box.
- [30:48]
A
Yeah, that was bad.
- [30:48]
B
That was really bad.
- [30:51]
A
I would.
- [30:51]
B
It was always your own business.
- [30:52]
A
I would switch back and forth between checking Honesty Box and playing that game where you were flying. Do you remember? It was kind of like, I'm trying to think what the comparison is now. But there was also farmville. I was playing farmville and checking my Odyssey box. And then there was this game where you had to navigate around obstacles, but you're flying.
- [31:14]
B
Oh, I don't Remember that? I don't think I played that. Also, even just MySpace top eight. And then when they let you do top 12 and stuff, and you would shuffle people around and rank your friends. We lived in a brutal time of the Internet. Not that it's any better now, but just don't have a different type of brutal.
- [31:29]
A
Just don't have enough friends for top eight.
- [31:31]
B
Yeah, just don't go online or.
- [31:34]
A
Yeah, that too.
- [31:35]
B
Okay. So in one of these Google searches, she keeps seeing these things come up and she can't stop crying. And so she decides, like, this is enough. I'm going to file a complaint with Wikipedia. This needs to be taken down. This isn't truthful. This is a slander Wikipedia page, like, this is not what this website's supposed to be. Right. So she files a complaint with Wikipedia. Doesn't get anywhere. Customer service is like, this link, like, this page that you're talking about doesn't exist. We can't see it on our end.
- [32:01]
A
Okay. That's what I was going to ask is if anyone else had seen the Wikipedia page.
- [32:07]
B
Not at this point, no.
- [32:08]
A
That's wild.
- [32:10]
B
So she. There's nothing that can happen.
- [32:13]
A
So something's fucking with her reality now, too.
- [32:15]
B
Yeah, basically. And I think in the end, there was a lot of discussion about, like, was she experiencing, like, psychosis or something?
- [32:22]
A
Can you tell me this is not a real story? Because I feel so sad for Anora.
- [32:27]
B
So one Friday night, Annie was home alone, and she went and she looked at the page, very hopeful that, like, something had happened. Whoever created it had taken it down. Or Wikipedia finally figured it out, and they took it down. But it was there. And there was a new sentence, and it said, honora Petrova is a pathetic orphan whose real parents died in a terrible accident. And Annie was home alone. Her parents were out. So she started freaking out. She's calling her parents over and over and over again. She called them over a hundred times. They never answered. But the call was connecting to something, but it was not her parents. She just heard laughter on the other end of the line every single time. So she kept hanging up and calling.
- [33:14]
A
Again, thinking, you won't tell me, but I'm just gonna, in my head be like, this is not real, because I need to. To survive the rest of the story. I need that narrative.
- [33:22]
B
I know. So, yeah, she keeps trying her parents. And then her parents never came home. They got in a really horrible accident that night. They had passed away. And then when the police had concluded their investigation and gave Honora Annie Back her parents phones. She checked the phones and all those calls that she made that night never went through. So something was happening with her phone where like somehow was being, you know.
- [33:47]
A
Someone or something was interfering.
- [33:49]
B
Yeah, nothing went through.
- [33:50]
A
This does feel like demonic energy. Something like really, really evil.
- [33:55]
B
Latched on to her desperation, her like, desire to do anything to be successful at skating, taking her passion. It's like people make the classic, like music industry making a deal with the devil, right?
- [34:08]
A
But usually it's a dual agreement, like, I agree to give you my soul for my success. She didn't give any promise for her soul. She just happened upon this page and the second she tried to update it, everything turned right.
- [34:25]
B
Though I do wonder if maybe she did and she just doesn't know she did. Like, was there some other situation like.
- [34:32]
A
Where she pleaded or. Yeah, like the amount of times that I as a kid would say, dear God, like, please let me get into the musical. I promise I'll go to church more.
- [34:41]
B
Yeah, yeah, basically. That's so innocent. I'll go to church and I can just sing on stage. So, yeah. Now Annie's parents have died, she's a teenager. She doesn't really have many friends, not many connections anymore. She's just like falling into this deep, deep depression. She was sent into a facility basically because she had a nervous breakdown, which is totally understandable. And then she basically was just isolated and then also isolated herself even more. So Bri was trying to reach out to her a bit?
- [35:14]
A
Well, yeah, I mean, her parents are now tragically deceased. She has been ostracized from her community. Figure skating?
- [35:23]
B
Yeah.
- [35:24]
A
Like, what does she have? That's so sad.
- [35:26]
B
It's really, really sad. So, yeah, she was receiving a lot of care for her mental health and her well being. And when she turned 18, she decided she was gonna start fresh and try to skate again, but in a way that she felt she could. So she traveled to Prague and booked herself into a hotel and she was gonna audition for the Ice Circus in Prague, which, like, ironically, she said her and Brie used to like joke about that type of. Not necessarily like the Ice Circus in Prague, but like that sort of career in skating. Like the.
- [36:01]
A
They hoped that they didn't have to do that.
- [36:03]
B
Like they wanted to just be like competitive Olympians. So it was kind of like ironic that it was something that she used to kind of make fun of. And now she was like, well, maybe this is my path. I'll start fresh in a brand new country. I'll be so far away from where all this pain happened to me. And I'll get to do the thing that I liked doing, which is skating without anyone knowing any of my history.
- [36:23]
A
Yeah. Start fresh.
- [36:24]
B
Yeah, I get it. So, out of nerves and out of habit, Annie checked her Wikipedia page once more. The day before the audition, Anna did not have confirmation of her getting the job, but instead, she found this statement, which, again, I have a screenshot. Honora Annie Petrova, born May 5, 1991, died October 24, 20, 2010, was an American junior regionals figure skater winner who died a friendless orphan because she was a greedy little pig. Okay.
- [36:59]
A
And it doesn't say how she dies. So now it is Final Destination kind of where, like, the whole next day.
- [37:05]
B
She'S reading this on October 23rd.
- [37:08]
A
So the whole next day she's like, yeah.
- [37:10]
B
So she's freaking out because. Yeah, it's basically saying that she's gonna die the next day. So she's sobbing, she's terrified. She's completely panicked. She's in this hotel. Like, she's in a country that she doesn't know. So she kind of desperately. And also, like, no one knew about what was happening to her.
- [37:26]
A
Right.
- [37:26]
B
Like, her dad originally knew about the Wikipedia page. I'm sure her mom did, too. But, like, I'm sure she didn't bring up, as you do in middle school, especially, like, at that time, like, I was bullied so bad, and I. My parents did not know most of what was happening on social media and online.
- [37:41]
A
Right.
- [37:42]
B
Like, we. We hid that because it was, like, embarrassing.
- [37:44]
A
Isolated.
- [37:45]
B
Panicked. Yeah, you're panicked, and you feel like you're doing something wrong. So.
- [37:49]
A
And her parents are now. Yeah, she has no one.
- [37:52]
B
She has no one. But she reaches out to Bri, who had spent a lot of time trying to reach out to her after everything had happened. And she is writing this email to Bri explaining all of this. She's talking about, like, what happened and how she didn't mean for. To hurt Bree. And, like, she didn't want any of this to happen. And all about the Wikipedia page. She's taking a screenshot of the Wikipedia page as proof to send to Bri that, like, it does exist, that she does see it. And she's typing out this big, long message that she's so, so scared. It's almost midnight. She keeps refreshing the Wikipedia page. Cause she doesn't know what else to do when midnight comes. It's technically the date of the day she's supposed to die. And she's. She's hoping for, like, any change in the page, any more clues. She's just kind of hopeless. So she's lost in the storm. This is like in the ring, too.
- [38:34]
A
Like, seven days. And it just, like, you try to get someone to help you or, like, to outrun the clock, right?
- [38:41]
B
And it's like, no matter what you do and where you go, somehow it finds a way of judging you.
- [38:47]
A
Plus, it's also like a nameless, faceless unknown.
- [38:52]
B
Is it an entity? Is that a person? She has no idea, right?
- [38:54]
A
You have no idea.
- [38:56]
B
So now all she can do is wait. Bree never received the email. Police found it typed with the screenshot with Honora Petrova dead, slumped over her computer.
- [39:09]
A
What? We don't know.
- [39:11]
B
No, but there is a screenshot. If you're watching. There's a screenshot of the Wikipedia page. The Wikipedia page was updated once more compared to what Anora had typed, what it was saying in her email to Bri before, apparently, it disappeared altogether from the Internet. So whether the police had it taken down during the investigation or, like, whoever was controlling it got rid of it, I'm not sure. But there is a screenshot of the Wikipedia page, and I'm not sure if this was, like, what Annie had taken to send to Bri or if this was, like, from the police investigation after, because it does include a photo which appears to. It's like an updated photo of Annie, and it appears to be her, like, the day that she died, taken from her computer webcam. It doesn't seem like she knows that it was taken. Like, her computer was hacked. And she's dirty. She's disheveled, hollow, dyed, like, just. Basically just like a shell of a person. And the final message on the page was strange because in the further information section, there was this proposal. I said, so tell me, what do you desire most? Oh, you're thinking about it. And the answer is yes. Together, we could accomplish great things. I could help you so much. I could take you places that you've never even dreamed of. But first, you're gonna have to do something for me. So that's why I'm curious if she.
- [40:35]
A
So she had clicked on that or done something, if there was.
- [40:38]
B
If that sort of proposal exists somewhere else.
- [40:41]
A
It's the devil. It's the ring. It is. I have chills, right?
- [40:46]
B
And it's like, who the recipient was of that message, who was finding her Wikipedia page and seeing it and making the next deal.
- [40:54]
A
Who's the next victim?
- [40:56]
B
We have no idea. Honora Petrova's story was Submitted online as a creepypasta by the user. One page wonder. You guys won't be surprised. I'll put creepypasta in the title so that no one is horrified by all of this. But while it is an urban legend and an amazing creepypasta, it does make you think twice about it. Basically, it's like serving beyond just being a horror story about, like, the dangers of the Internet. Right.
- [41:24]
A
And the dangers of wanting something too bad.
- [41:26]
B
Right? No, but, like, yes. How, like, obsession can make you spiral. It can become addiction. It can be.
- [41:33]
A
But Inoria didn't do anything wrong. And I think that's the thing is, like, she. She put in all of the work and all the dedication to her dream, and sometimes it just doesn't pay off. Sometimes it doesn't work out. Maybe that's a lesson we can learn from that. But Honora herself didn't do anything wrong. Whoever this evil entity is, is the bad guy. I agree, and I stand on that.
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B
I back you up.
- [42:01]
A
I stand on business.
- [42:02]
B
You stand on business. Yeah. Yes, Queen. But no. It is a good lesson, though. In that or it's not even really a lesson. It's just kind of like. Yeah. When something is all consuming, when you put so much into something, it can either empower you or it could destroy you.
- [42:19]
A
What's gonna happen to us with this podcast? Is it gonna destroy us?
- [42:23]
B
I think we're middle roading it.
- [42:25]
A
I think so.
- [42:26]
B
I think we're.
- [42:26]
A
That's true.
- [42:27]
B
I think we're fine.
- [42:29]
A
We're cruising. Smooth sailing.
- [42:31]
B
We're smooth sailing. We're not putting the rest of our lives to these chairs. So I think we're okay.
- [42:36]
A
That's true. Um. Wow. Okay. That's a very scary story.
- [42:40]
B
Yeah. It was listed. So I was looking at up a bunch of creepypastas because you had covered the Slender man one time, and it was so good. And I was like, oh, I wonder what other ones are like that. And there are so many that are a little bit shorter and kind of like the classic, like. Oh, like the chainmail. We'll have to do, like, a chainmail special one.
- [42:58]
A
Or like, just a creepypasta Reddit themed episode. Maybe we do that in October. Cause I feel like that's a good one.
- [43:04]
B
That is a good one.
- [43:05]
A
Or September leading up to October.
- [43:07]
B
Yeah.
- [43:07]
A
Get everyone juiced up and excited.
- [43:10]
B
But this one was on the list of, like, every time I clicked a list of, like, top 50 or top 10 or whatever it was that Honora Petrova's story was, like, one of the back when it was originally posted, one of the like all consuming, horrifying, nightmare inducing pastas.
- [43:24]
A
I mean, it's because the Internet nowadays is like so massive, like for things to go viral to the extent that Dear David and Spiderman Fuck is that movie. I think it came out and it was really bad.
- [43:36]
B
It felt. Oh, shoot. Sorry. Sorry. To Adam. You had an amazing idea.
- [43:41]
A
No. And he became successful. Like, you know, his life's going well, but no, it's like, I feel like we're due. We're due for another one of these.
- [43:50]
B
Yeah. I so wish that I. It will stick with me forever. That one Reddit thread. It wasn't a thread.
- [43:57]
A
I read about this all the time. I do.
- [43:59]
B
It was a four part thread series about a family who moves into this like old farmhouse and they have to survive. Each season comes with like this crazy monster. There's like a light in the pond that draws them out and they have to like, try to not be drawn.
- [44:12]
A
It's like September House.
- [44:13]
B
Or like. Yeah.
- [44:14]
A
Each month is like something different.
- [44:15]
B
Totally.
- [44:16]
A
A lot of book references in this episode. We'll link them in the episode description.
- [44:21]
B
Right?
- [44:21]
A
Yeah.
- [44:22]
B
I've thought so many times, like, oh, I should cover that one. But when I read it, it took me two hours. Just at my reading speed, I know to read through the whole thing. So I can never do it as an episode.
- [44:31]
A
There's one that I have scheduled for. I think it's for October. But maybe we'll move things around with this new idea about Ted the Caver.
- [44:39]
B
That was also on.
- [44:41]
A
And it's so intriguing. But similarly, like, there are YouTube videos of people who read the whole story and it's two and a half hours. So I'm like, how do I tell this succinctly without missing any details.
- [44:55]
B
Right, because the details are so good. I know, but then you don't want to just like blatantly just read it straight.
- [45:02]
A
But then also, I wish we could again.
- [45:04]
B
Right.
- [45:04]
A
Anyway, so many things. If we were to sacrifice and give up the rest of our lives, I would start a new segment of our podcast where we did like narration and we just read verbatim Reddit spooky stories and added a soundscape.
- [45:20]
B
Like our Rick episode.
- [45:21]
A
Like our Rick episode.
- [45:22]
B
Wouldn't that be great?
- [45:23]
A
It'd be fun. But we don't wanna become an aura.
- [45:27]
B
No, we don't. If we have the resources, maybe one day we can add that as an extra.
- [45:32]
A
Okay, sounds good. One day. All the promises we make ourselves.
- [45:36]
B
I know, but we at least we're making the promises to ourselves and not some like mystery being like in Anora's story which thank God it's just a creepypasta. But we say thank God it's just a creepypasta. And yet there are so many examples of like things within this of like people making bad deals.
- [45:51]
A
People, people in real world, in real life make deals with the devil all the time.
- [45:56]
B
Exactly.
- [45:57]
A
Not sure the devil is always showing up to make those deals because he's like this is not worth my time. But yeah, people do that.
- [46:05]
B
If you made a deal with the devil, what would it like? What would you have to get out of it?
- [46:09]
A
First thought, a healthy long term relationship and family. That's unlike the family of origin that I grew up in. That's how badly I want it and how badly I don't believe I could, I can get it that I feel like I would need to make a deal with the devil to make that happen.
- [46:26]
B
Sabrina makes me so sad, but I'm also in my mind. Sorry, I know this is like super depressing but I just like totally fanfic. Put you in a book where like you fall in love and have that family with the devil.
- [46:41]
A
I would do that. I would, I would.
- [46:43]
B
You don't know him.
- [46:44]
A
I don't know him. Maybe he's done a lot of work on himself. Yeah, I'm working on this in therapy. I'm not that depressed. I do believe that it is attainable. I am working through previous belief systems and trying to rewire my brain.
- [47:01]
B
And also here's the thing. Building a family around you also is not something that is age specific.
- [47:08]
A
No, I agree. I just noticed your coffee stain.
- [47:10]
B
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Okay, well, another depressing scary thing is a curse from Mexico.
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Okay, well we're cuz I didn't know.
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Where the story was going and I briefly looked it up and I saw like the omen aspect of it. So I was like, what's kind of equivalent to that? Curse.
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A curse.
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And this one has everything we could ever ask for. Well, we don't want this. But like in terms of a story, it has all the juicy stuff. Okay, this is from our listener Melissa, and it's called Mexico Scary Stories and Encounters. Hello, my name is Melissa. I'm a longtime listener and I'm excited to be sharing these weird, scary, scary stories that took place in Mexico. These are two different Stories that both took place in a very, very small town in Durango. It's practically a ghost town. And I haven't been back in over 15 years because my grandparents who used to live there have since passed away. But when they were alive, we would go multiple times a year to visit them. Here is my first story. My mom's mom passed away years before I was born. But my mom has always told us this wild story that stuck with her. My grandma was very ill when she passed away, but she did die peacefully in her sleep. But right before she started to get ill and get diagnosed with all these medical problems, a lot of unexplained things started to happen. My mom remembers at a very young age, her aunt, who was my grandma's sister, was always very rude to them. My grandma would tell her children that her sister had always been envious of her, but she never knew why. One day, my grandma was walking towards the river to wash her clothes, and she said she recalled seeing footstep marks in the dirt. And it just so happened that these footsteps were along the same path that she was going. But that wasn't too out of the ordinary as a lot of people from the town would go down to the same river to wash their clothes. Mind you, it's a super small town, so people would get around by walking or by horse. But then she noticed that all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the footsteps ended. But there was still a long way to go in order to get to the river. She said she thought it was odd, but she didn't put much thought to it. Her foot landed right over one of the last footstep marks. And the moment she put her foot down, she felt a sudden shooting pain on the heel of her foot that.
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Went all the way up her whole.
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Body and made her double over in pain. She thought maybe she stepped on something sharp, possibly glass. But when she looked, there was nothing sharp on the ground or attached to her shoe. Someone from the town heard her scream and truly had to assist carrying her back home, as she couldn't put any pressure on her foot.
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Oh my gosh. And to scream from it like that is severe pain.
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That was the beginning of the downfall. My grandmother became very ill after that. She had constant pain on her body that caused her to not be able to walk much. She was getting constant migraines. She stopped being able to eat, and she also started to feel extremely sad. Everyone in town would come to visit her and bring her food and help take care of her. She became so ill that no Doctors were able to get to the root of the problem. Yes. We also have to keep in mind there wasn't a ton of technology or knowledge of the medicine that there is now. But still, they couldn't find anything wrong with her blood work. Nothing in the X rays, nothing in conversation. She mentioned the sharp pain that she had felt while walking to the river to my grandpa, who was her husband and a neighbor. My grandpa then decided to find a curandero who is a healer who uses folk remedies and decided to bring one to my grandma. On many occasions, they would attempt to bring her to this healer, and she would become so ill that she couldn't leave the house, like she was doing fine, but the moment they would go to leave the house, she was so doubled over in pain, she couldn't leave. They didn't mention anything to this healer or of the incident. They just let him do his healing. My mom isn't sure of what happened during her healing, as nobody ever spoke of it. But in the end, he informed them that someone very close to my grandmother had put a curse on her. He informed them that they would be visited by evil that night, that the evil was going to try to stop the healing from happening, but that he would be doing magic, white magic, that night, and that it would be revealed who put the curse on them. They didn't mention anything to my mom and her siblings because they truly didn't know what to believe. But all my mom knew was that my grandma was feeling much better and wasn't in constant pain after the healer visited. But then nighttime came, and all of a sudden, a laughter came from the roof of the house.
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Ooh.
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My mom said that my grandpa went outside to see what it was, and he started yelling that all of the siblings had to start praying because la bruja was there. My mom and her siblings were all very young, but they just did what they were told and started to pray, but they couldn't concentrate due to the fear they felt. Then my grandma started to yell, and when my mom looked out of the window, she saw a lechuza, which is a large owl believed to be a witch, standing on their fence. She's literally being attacked by all negative forces.
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Yeah, this is so intense too. It's like, who wished her harm at, like, such a level where she is being so viciously attacked?
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We're about to find out. My mom never believed in anything paranormal, but till this day, she cannot explain how a woman's laughter was coming out of the lechuza. My grandpa started the witch?
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Yeah.
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Evil.
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It was not an owl.
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My grandpa started to throw rocks at it and it started to fly over their house. And the laughter became louder and louder. My grandpa and my grandma were both cursing at it, telling it it was not welcome there, that God was more powerful. All the while, my mom and her siblings are trying to focus on praying. And all of a sudden the laughter went away and the tension in the house dissipated. No one can explain what occurred, but they realized that Corandero was right. And keep in mind that Coronado was doing white magic at the same time. That night, back home the next day, my mom's sister was seen around town with bruises on her face and her body looked very weak.
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I was just thinking, this is so intense. I wonder what's happening to the person who wished this harm on her. And I cannot believe it was her own sister.
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Yep.
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Why?
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Everyone assumed, and this is content warning, I guess the sister was in an abusive relationship. Everyone thought maybe her husband had hit her. Then my grandparents thought, was she the cause of the curse? My grandpa and grandma had realized that she was the only one from town that had not come to visit her when she had become sick in the beginning. Years went by and my grandma was healthy for the most part. But by the age of 40, she started to have a lot of medical issues and was ill for many, many years. My grandpa still lived in the small town after my grandma passed away. And I'm not sure if there was ever another curandero involved or not. Because by then my mom had moved to America and started her life here. I remember when we would go during the summer, my mom would always tell me to never enter that aunt's house alone. I never understood why until I got older and she told me the story. But I always recall that my aunt was a very creepy lady. She had an evil look in her face. And whenever we would go to visit her, my mom would always say a prayer before.
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Why would you still visit her?
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I know.
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I guess if you don't have complete proof, it's hard to also.
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And then my mom and one of the aunt's daughters were really, really close growing up.
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Yeah.
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And she remembers her cousin telling her that her mom would always speak very ill of my grandma. And she was always very bitter that my grandma had a better life than she did. My grandpa passed away many years later of old age in that house. And that was about 15 years ago. My mom would go to Mexico to help take care of him for about three months straight, come back for a month and then go back. But my mom knew his time was coming soon because my grandpa would say that grandma was visiting him. He passed in the house peacefully while holding my aunt's hand. The vibes of the house are still immaculate and you really do feel at peace there.
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Okay. Wow. I'm so glad that she was still able to have a good life and that this didn't. This period of curse didn't take that away from her. Right.
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But then, like, she did have a lot of illnesses leading up to her death. Like, did it still impact her later on?
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I mean, this sister is like, she's. She's never gonna live a happy life if she continues to. Which clearly I don't have to tell her she's probably already dead. Not to be. But yeah, she basically chose to have a horrible life by continuing a negative thought pattern her entire life and wishing harm upon others.
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Right.
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And you're never gonna recover.
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This goes back to like the conversation we were having. But when you become so consumed with something, whether it's real or not, if you become that consumed with it, you probably are creating it to exist. Like, that's something that I'm like, very much trying to change my belief system because I feel like if I keep believing that I can't find a healthy relationship and have that life that I want, then I'm not going to ever have it because I keep living that narrative in my mind.
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The power of positive thought.
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Yeah. Okay, now onto my second story. My dad's side of the family also grew up in the same town. His parents house and my mom's parents house are across a dirt road from each other. I'm so curious if her dad's family came to help her mom's mom when the curse was going on.
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Oh, yeah.
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The only thing separating their homes was a dirt road and my dad's aunt's house. My dad's father passed away years before I was born as well. So my grandma, my dad's mom were the only one who lived there. And well, everyone was terrified of grandma's house. Like it just gave a creepy ass vibe. You felt like you were being watched all the time. You would hear weird noises from the kitchen as if plates were being thrown and broken. A small white dog could be seen in the house in one of the corners of their rooms that had a door to the outside. But guess what? That dog was a ghost.
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Ghost dog.
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He was seen by multiple people at night. But what's even more creepy were all the weird noises that would happen as you tried to sleep and the sounds that would wake you up. It sounded as if chains were being dragged on cement floors or if coins were being dropped on cement floors.
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That's creepy. I wonder how old the house is and what happened there and who died.
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And who was chained up there. Yeah, everyone used to believe that maybe there was money hidden under the cement floors. Because turns out back in the day before it was my grandparents home, it was a bar. Many people were tragically killed there in the bar during fights or rival issues that had occurred. Well, now I want to know like the history of this town.
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It's like the wild west.
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So when we would go back to Mexico, all of my cousins and I were forced to sleep at this house. We would all sleep in the same room with my grandma because we were terrified and we had a buddy system to go to the bathroom even during daytime. I was one of the lucky ones who didn't have to spend the night there as often because I would use the excuse that I wanted to sleep with my mom at her dad's house. And I'm not joking when I say this, but so many of my cousins on my dad's side would beg me to ask their parents if they could sleep with me at my grandpa's house. And yes, grandpa's house is the same house where all the witchcraft incidents had happened. But at that house there was no residue or ever any scary feelings. But at my dad's mom's house, my grandma's house, something creepy lurked at night. And I always found it odd that my grandma used to sleep in the middle bedroom, not her original bedroom. I don't know the reason behind it, but I always had the feeling it was because of the vibe that room gave. It was very heavy. Dark feelings resided in there. Later my grandma moved with us to the US I would ask her if there were any scary things that happened and she would always say no. But towards the end of her life, while she was on hospice and on morphine, she was high as a kite. And she told us that my grandpa, my dad's father, was an abusive asshole. My mom remembers her being in the house when my grandpa threw plates of food at my grandma. So we realized that the noise of breaking plates is probably my grandpa's spirit. But what the hell is that ghost dog? And why was that bathroom so scary? I went back many years later after my grandma had passed away, and it did seem like the eerie feeling was pretty much gone except for that one bathroom. People till this day say that they see a shadow in front of the house from the streets. We don't know who that might be. I don't really care to find out either. And my cousins still prefer to spend the night at my mom's parents house when they go, rather than this house, keep being awesome and stay spooky. From Melissa.
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Damn, that's crazy. That's a lot.
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There's a lot.
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There's a lot of haunted houses and.
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This is like a small town. A lot of curses, this much energy.
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A lot of trauma and bad relationships, Whether it be a sister or a husband. That's tough.
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Tell me your. What would you need in order to make a deal with the devil?
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I think it would be. It would have to be pertaining to Noah. I think it would have to be like, very family specific. Like, I almost think it would have to be like, this sounds dark, but I feel like if it were like Brian or my immediate family or like certain things where it's like, you know, bad things are gonna happen. There's a part of me that might be like, well, that's life. But I probably wouldn't. I probably would, like, try to combat it. But I think if it was just like anything with Noah, I would immediately make the deal.
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Okay, so for protection of Noah, basically.
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Yeah. It's kind of like there's like a trend on TikTok too, pertaining to the sinners movie where people are like, you couldn't get me out the door unless. And then it shows, like, who you would walk out the door and become a vampire for, who you would like, sacrifice yourself for. And a lot of people are like.
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If that's becoming a vampire, I would just fuck it. I'm gonna become one too.
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If. Yeah, if your loved one, if you're. If your best friend, if your brother, or if your child. If Noah was a vampire, I wouldn't want him to live eternity without his mommy.
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Right.
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I'd also have to be vampire.
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Yeah, Vampire mommy. Exactly. Vampire mommy. My mom is a vampire. Mom went on a date with a vampire. What's that movie?
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I don't know. I was just. I thought you were just like declaring that Aurora was a vampire. I was like, interesting. We haven't talked about this before. She. She could be your dad's possessed by the devil and your mom is a vampire. Interesting. A little bit about me.
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Do I make a lot more sense now?
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Two truths isn't a lie.
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And I ate Taco Bell for breakfast.
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Fun facts. Oh, shoot. They're all truths.
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Oh yeah, we have Patreon.
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Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you Jamie.
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We love you all and we will.
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See you on the other side.
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Very spooky.