Episode 368 - Haunted Rhodes Hotel & The Doll Room

Summary

TWO GIRLS ONE GHOST
Episode 368 – Haunted Rhodes Hotel & The Doll Room
April 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts Corinne Vien and Sabrina Deana-Roga dive into the spooky, multifaceted history and hauntings of the Rhodes Hotel (sometimes spelled “Roads”) in Atlanta, Indiana—an atmospheric former inn from the 1890s now famous for its paranormal activity, secret brothel past, and an infamous “doll room.” The duo covers the site’s historical context, notable deaths, shifting lore, and the unnerving experiences reported there. True to the show’s style, the hosts also discuss the intersection of supernatural phenomena with mental health, listener-submitted stories about haunted objects, and how real-life events can mirror the stories told on the podcast.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Real-Life Hauntings Come for the Team

• A Chilling Coincidence: The episode opens with Corinne sharing a ghost story from their editor/producer Jamie Ryan. While editing a prior episode involving a mysterious fire, Jamie was staying at a cabin and (just like in the story she was editing) woke in the night to the smell of burning wires—a real fire had started, which she narrowly caught in time.

  • Quote: “Had she not woken up, it would have turned into an actual fire. And Jamie's like...the coincidence and the timing of it is so spooky.” (04:06)
  • The hosts consider whether consuming or creating scary media can attract paranormal events, and riff on synchronicity and psychic intuition.
  • Sabrina then mentions experiencing intrusive, almost premonitory thoughts about fire and later finding a burnt outlet—blurring the lines between anxiety and intuition.

• Notable Conversation about Intuition & OCD:

  • Sabrina discusses how being a mother has changed her ability to distinguish between anxious intrusive thoughts and genuine psychic intuitions, leading to constant mental rehearsals of disaster scenarios. (07:02)

2. The Rhodes Hotel: History & Urban Legend

2.1 Foundation and Economic Context

• The Rhodes Hotel was built in 1893, during Indiana’s “Gas Boom.”
  • Quote: “Basically, what's so important ... is that it is one of the last remaining structures...from this time period from 1893, which isn't that old when you compare it to Europe, but in the context of America...” (13:04)
• It's an elegant Queen Anne building, initially a fancy stopover for railroad travelers between Chicago and Indianapolis.
• The structure features a central hall, an original (or reportedly original) clawfoot tub, and marble sink—though documentation is fuzzy.
  • (Clawfoot tub and sink discussion at 14:12 and 43:11)

2.2 Ownership, Adaptation, and Lore

• Newton Rhodes (original builder/owner or later purchaser) and his wife, Clara, ran the hotel with their kids, Hazel and Everett.
• The Great Depression forced a pivot: Clara adapted, reportedly turning the hotel into a speakeasy and brothel:
  • “She turned it into a speakeasy and brothel... Sex and alcohol always has buyers. ...She had hidden rooms and trick doors built...” (17:30 – 18:18)
• Local legends claim visits from gangsters like Al Capone and John Dillinger.
  • “Where has Al Capone not been?” (18:53)
• After 1937, the building closed as a hotel, becoming apartments, then was largely abandoned, then restored in the ‘90s.

2.3 Confirmed and Rumored Deaths

• Three confirmed deaths: Newton, son Everett (died of tuberculosis), and Clara. Possibly Newton’s stepmother and a young woman (“Sarah”) killed in brothel days.
  • Quote: “Visitors have reported hearing a woman sob and then...feeling their hair or their clothing being tugged, which to me suggests...someone help me. I'm here. I need help.” (30:55)

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3. Hauntings and Paranormal Reports

• Typical activity: lights flickering, doors opening/closing, disembodied voices/conversations, footsteps. (25:13)

• Apparitions/Entities:

  • Shadow figure (potentially Newton Rhodes): Seen lurking near the staircase and living room; sometimes communicates through footsteps (27:17).
  • Aggressive female entity (“Sarah”): Allegedly killed in the brothel era, her presence marked by crying sounds and pulling at people (28:43).
  • Family ghosts: Newton, Clara, Everett sometimes appear; Hazel isn’t reported.
  • Ghost cat: Small dark shape, darting between legs, accompanied by purring or meowing (32:07).

• The Storm Effect: Activity spikes during storms—"storms seem to energize the atmosphere.” (32:31)

Special Focus: The Doll Room

• A second-story room packed with vintage dolls—donated by locals or left by former tenants. (33:24)
  • Why is it there? No direct historical connection; the tradition evolved organically.
  • Paranormal activity: Dolls move when not observed, are tossed, rotate heads, are seen captured on cameras; oppressive atmosphere.
  • A little girl’s voice (“Goody”) is picked up on recorders in the room.
    • “There’s apparently some famous recording… Goody, which is either a name or expression...captured multiple times...” (35:39)
  • Theories: The girl’s spirit plays with and moves the dolls; Sabrina wonders about “beef” between haunted dolls.
    • “Just because they're a doll doesn't mean they're all going to get along with each other.” (36:18)
  • Many references to captured EVPs, videos, but little is widely available to the public; much of the evidence is exclusive to onsite tours. (38:06)

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4. Listener Story: The Haunted Doll Pillow [42:55]

Sabrina reads a submission from listener Bex about an unsettling experience with a gifted princess doll pillow brought home from a friend’s playhouse.

• Bex’s younger sister dreams of a little girl in white, who escalates to asking “where the knives were because she wanted to play doctor with my brother with the knives.”
  • Quote: “She had dreams of this little girl. This little girl in the dream asked where our little brother was and where the knives were because she wanted to play doctor with my brother with the knives.” (47:45)
• Parents respond by cleansing the house and disposing of the pillow, and the experiences stop.
• Hosts discuss alternate interpretations (possibly an innocent spirit mimicking adults, or a truly sinister presence).
• They reflect on the wisdom of not bringing haunted objects home and the importance of family communication and spiritual boundaries.

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5. Listener Engagement, Podcast Community, and Humor

• The duo discusses their thriving Patreon community, which includes live “campfire” sessions, witch classes, and book club. (51:51 – 54:30)
• Ongoing jokes about the “pyramid scheme” of podcast success: “If you tell two people and they have to tell two people, next thing you know, it's world domination.” (54:51)
• Spontaneous references and callbacks: Spongebob’s Invisible Boatmobile, daily life, and hosts’ favorite internet rabbit holes (plants, witches, etc.).
• Grateful shout-out to editor/producer Jamie Ryan: “Thank you for not quitting on us.” (55:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Annabelle gave you such a bad rep. And on behalf of all dolls, we apologize.” (Corinne, 09:38)
• “Also, death doesn't need to happen on a property for it to be haunted.” (Sabrina, 20:46)
• “Visitors describe their clothing being tugged, their hair being pulled… Our first suspect is a tall, dark figure... referred to as being a shadow man or shadow figure.” (Sabrina, 26:46)
• “The dolls move. They're speedy little eyes. Especially when storms roll in, which is so creepy.” (Corinne, 09:54)
• “Once you start collecting haunted dolls, you can't stop.” (Sabrina, 33:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:06 – Jamie's haunted editing/fire story
• 07:02 – Discussion of intrusive thoughts vs psychic intuition (Sabrina as a mother)
• 13:04 – Rhodes Hotel architecture and town origins
• 17:30 – Hotel’s Depression-era shift to speakeasy/brothel
• 25:13 – Reported hauntings and staff background
• 27:17 – Shadow figure (speculated to be Newton Rhodes)
• 28:43 – The “Sarah” legend: brothel death, sobbing, hair-pulling
• 32:07 – Ghost cat phenomena
• 32:31 – Storms amplifying paranormal activity
• 33:24 – The doll room and its origins; doll movement evidence
• 35:39 – Little girl “Goody” voice in the doll room
• 42:55 – Listener story: the haunted doll pillow
• 51:51 – Patreon community, book/witch club, and fan engagement

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, witty, and intimate—with the hosts’ signature blend of in-depth research, irreverent humor, and candid self-reflection.
• Frequent asides, pop culture references, and spontaneous “what if” scenarios.
• Deep empathy and acknowledgment for mental health, the trauma of the past, and community experiences.
• A careful but playful balance of skepticism and belief, leaving listeners both informed and unsettled.

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Summary

In Episode 368, Corinne and Sabrina transport listeners into the atmospheric world of the Rhodes Hotel, unpacking its gas-boom era history, tangled hauntings, notorious brothel years, and the singular doll room that’s earned it a place on every paranormal investigator’s bucket list. The show weaves together local legend, personal supernatural encounters, and the subtle ways that haunted stories bleed into our own lives. Peppered with laughter, compassion, and spine-tingling tales from listeners, the episode exemplifies why “Two Girls One Ghost” is known for summoning chills long after the credits fade.

If you’re curious about haunted dolls, old hotels with gangster pasts, or how easily folklore and experience intertwine, this episode is a can’t-miss.

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To share your haunted stories or join their witchy, bookish, or spooky communities, visit the show notes or their website. Just be careful what you bring home…

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Transcript

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[A]

Very spooky.

[B]

Hi.

[A]

Hello? Is anyone there?

[B]

Can anyone hear us?

[A]

Are you listening?

[B]

Are we dead?

[A]

Look behind you. It's us.

[B]

Two girls, one ghost.

[A]

Two girls, one ghost. And I don't know what that intro was, but hey, that's your ghost.

[B]

Sometimes you gotta feel things out. You gotta wear em to see if you like it.

[A]

It's like improv.

[B]

Yeah, guys, we're an improv troupe now. Just a duo.

[A]

Just a duo.

[B]

That's who's never taken in a profit class ever.

[A]

Okay, we can't forget our third.

[B]

It's fine.

[A]

We're a trio. That's your ghostess Corinne. I'm your ghostess Sabrina, and yeah, hi. I have a ghost story for us.

[B]

How?

[A]

From our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan. Jamie, this spooky bitch was holding onto a ghost story that from, like, us haunting her for months.

[B]

Months. What the hell?

[A]

Dating back to. It was either the Black Monk of Pontefract episode or this is a long time. The bunk bed case. Yeah, it was, like, something back in October, basically. Jamie edits our podcast, so she is constantly listening to our ghost stories.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

She was editing an episode. In the story, there was, like, a fire downstairs in, like, the actual pod,

[B]

like, the episode in the context of the researched episode.

[A]

She's editing this episode while Jamie, she and her partner are visiting her partner's family in, I think, like, a cabin in South Carolina or North Carolina. It's in the Carolinas. It's Appalachian area.

[B]

We. I think we got bits and pieces of this from her before. This is starting to feel familiar.

[A]

I had never heard this before.

[B]

Unless I'm somehow tapping into Jamie and myself. You might be. So I'm like, didn't we know this?

[A]

Or like, we're mind melding? So you kind of have heard it.

[B]

Absorbed the information already. So.

[A]

So she's working on this project, editing this episode while staying in this cabin. And, like, the first night while they're staying there. Keep in mind, she hasn't told anyone that she's editing this episode specifically. Like, they know that she's working but doesn't know, like, what the episode's about. The first night they're staying there, her and her partner wake up to feeling like someone's sitting on their bed. No one's there. The middle of the night, I'm not sure. It must be, like, the first or second night. Jamie wakes up to something smelling like it's on fire. She wakes everyone up. They get out of the house. Firefighters come. They discovered wires basically, like, sparked, and a fire had started in some equipment. But had she not woken up, it would have turned into an actual fire. And Jamie's like, I mean, it's a weird house. Like, it could be nothing, but the coincidence and the timing of it is so spooky because that's basically exactly what happened in the episode that she had been editing.

[B]

That's fucked up. That's really scary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that also makes me wonder, like, is that a result of editing and listening to that episode, or was there some sort of, like, weird Perfectly timed universe thing where it was like, she has to be editing this one in order to save herself from a potential house fire that's going to happen if she doesn't act.

[A]

I don't know. But it's spooky.

[B]

Very spooky.

[A]

Isn't that wild?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, that reminds me, actually, I had a dream a couple nights ago. It wasn't a dream. I was just, like, awake, and it suddenly. I was like, oh, maybe this is an intrusive thought about my house burning down. Like, fully burned down and fully.

[A]

You have any intrusive thoughts? Okay, how do you differentiate between intrusive thought?

[B]

So in my mind, I was like, it's because everything in our house is breaking. And so, like, my mind is like, well, if we just got to start over again, like. And that's what I thought. But then yesterday when I was out in the sunroom, I noticed that one of the outlets has a big burn mark around when it.

[A]

That's a big deal.

[B]

Yeah. So I was like, oh, I need to make note to have someone come look at that.

[A]

Have they come to look at it?

[B]

That was yesterday. And I just remembered.

[A]

Can we pause right now so you can do something about that?

[B]

Let me text the person who does stuff like that, which is my husband.

[A]

I was gonna say your assistant.

[B]

Brian.

[A]

That's emergency level things.

[B]

All right. I put in the request with management, with my project manager boss.

[A]

Yeah, that's concerning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also, I know I have intrusive thoughts, but, like, I know that they're intrusive thoughts. I feel like you with your OCD and your intrusive thoughts, it's really hard

[B]

to differentiate for you to differentiate. It used to be easier because there was, like, a really clear divide in feeling between when I knew I was absorbing someone else's feelings or something that was gonna happen to them, kind of like psychically. Things in the past couple years, it's been incredibly difficult.

[A]

I think it's because you're a mom now and you.

[B]

And it comes with all of the, like, anxiety and intrusive thoughts of. Of things like that. Like, I'm constantly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Playing out scenarios in my mind of.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Something horrible happening and how do I react and how do I. Yeah.

[A]

I have empathy for you. Like, there are times where I really feel sad for how plagued you are by something which is, like.

[B]

It says a lot, too, because I. Whatever you see me feel like visibly on the outside is so small because I don't ask for help. And I had everything in me, and I just found Out. I'm part Irish, so I think that that is part of it.

[A]

When did you find that out?

[B]

My 23andMe updated. I thought it was more.

[A]

Congratulations, guys.

[B]

I'm Irish.

[A]

Congrats, everyone. Happy, happy. Belated St. Patrick's Day.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

As in like a month belated because this episode comes out in April, but we're pre recording.

[B]

Today's not about me.

[A]

It's always about you. It's your life.

[B]

Today we're gonna talk about another place. A hotel, actually. Hold on. Was this. I feel like this was recommended to me by someone. Let's see if I wrote it down. Probably not. All right, then. No credit where credit's due.

[A]

Someone recommended it.

[B]

Someone did.

[A]

It came to you not through the universe, but through a human.

[B]

This was not an intrusive thought. This was someone's vocalized suggestion at some point. And sorry to that person, I didn't write down your name.

[A]

But thank you to whoever that person is. You know who you are. Yeah.

[B]

You know who you are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Watch it. Like, actually have been no one.

[A]

And it's just, you know, my mind just. You never know.

[B]

But there is a small two story hotel in a town of a few hundred people. Oh, and one upstairs room that people deliberately pack with old vintage dolls. Their little cracked faces and their blank eyes just staring at you.

[A]

My sister at you throughout the room. Used to have a reoccurring nightmare about wandering into the woods and finding a house with a room full of dolls. And that is all I can picture now.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Or my mom used to tell us that as a bedtime story. I don't know.

[B]

Doesn't your mom have a bunch of old vintage dolls?

[A]

Not to this extent, but yeah, she does.

[B]

They're very creepy.

[A]

They don't mean to be scary.

[B]

It's like one of those things where I have the. And this is part of, like the OCD part coming in where it's like you personify inanimate objects. Like, I used to have to when I used a crayon box. I'd have to use every single color, just even a line so that none of them felt left out. But it's like the same for the dolls. Like, I'm so scared of them, but I also am. Like, I'm so sorry that I'm scared of you. Yeah. I know that you just want them.

[A]

Annabelle gave you such a bad rep. And on behalf of all dolls, we apologize.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On behalf of all dolls. As if I speak for the dolls.

[B]

She speaks for the dolls.

[A]

I am pr. For dolls or acts for dolls.

[B]

Okay, well, these dolls. These dolls might be able to speak for themselves. Okay. They seem to be alive when the door shut and the pairing eyes are no longer looking. Sometimes the dolls move. They're speedy little eyes. Especially when storms roll in, which is so creepy. Isn't that amazing? A big storm comes and suddenly the house is, like, electric and alive and all the spirits are moving about. I love that. Yeah, it's very cool. Tonight we are visiting the Rhodes Hotel, a real historic building from 1893 and a doll room that turned it into one of Indiana's most infamous overnight investigations.

[A]

Is it R H O D E s or R O A D S?

[B]

Okay, well, so interesting. So when I first put it in our tracker to do this, I wrote R H O D E S because that's how it came up a bunch. But then when you actually look into the historic records, it's R O A D S. And I think just over time, the name has kind of like, interchangeably. What does it say on the prop?

[A]

Like, what does it say on the exterior of the building?

[B]

I don't think there's like a plaque on the outside.

[A]

What if it's Mandela effect? Maybe the dolls have made us change the perception.

[B]

Oh, the dolls are doing it. But I guess all to say, either one works because it seems like either there was a lot of misspellings or it's just kind of answers to both.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Atlanta answers to both. Indiana. Didn't know there was an Atlanta, Indiana. But why would you? Because it's a small blink and you miss it. Little town. And historically, towns like this often grew out of transportation routes and local industry and sometimes, like, sudden bursts of economic opportunity. And that is exactly what happened to create this for Atlanta, Indiana. One of the major eras of this time was the late 1800s, when central Indiana saw prosperity tied to the discovery and exploitation of natural gas. So this one's interesting because, like, when you Google the Rhodes Hotel there, you can actually, like, access. They submitted an application to be part of the, like, national historic whatever, and you can read through it all. I feel like I've never gotten to see that before.

[A]

Wait, that's so cool.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, I got to. And it was obviously, like, it was handwritten because the person was, like, putting the form together and, like, submitting it for the historic places.

[A]

Did they get approved?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. But, like, in it, there's a lot of history and kind of like what it was known for. And so there's a lot of reference to this Era of like natural gas. And they use the term the. The gas boom. You hear about like the gold rush and all these like economic booms and stuff. And I've never heard of the gas boom.

[A]

It does make sense.

[B]

Ye. It does. But yeah, that's this paperwork kept referencing.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

The gas boom. Basically, what's so important pertaining to this structure and why it should be and is a part of the National Register of Historic Places is that it is one of the last remaining structures, like intact from this time period from 1893, which isn't that old when you compare it to Europe and.

[A]

But in the context anywhere else of America.

[B]

In the context of America, you gotta remember the gas boom. It's very important that. Gas boom.

[A]

1893. Okay.

[B]

1893. Yep. So the structure is a traditional Queen Anne built. It has a very distinctive porch. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see a picture. It actually is surprising to me that it's in Indiana because they like New Orleans. I was gonna say it reminds me of Louisiana. The original layout of the rooms opening off of the central hall and basically like set up to be an inn, which is like what it operated as. So people would pass through same stories. So many places that we've covered before. It's like set up for the travelers who are like, transient, just passing on in their business or just like making this place their home temporarily when there's a boom and they have something to do here.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I might be butchering this a little bit because I didn't write it down. But in that paperwork that was submitted to become a part of the historic, like, National Register of Historic Places, the person who prepared it said that there is an original cloffet tub. And apparently one of the sinks is still original too.

[A]

Are they not made and made with lead?

[B]

That's a wonderful question. I don't know, but that is very cool. But yeah, some. Some of the plumbing is OG is og, which I was like, that's so interesting. They did say like in their paperwork it was like, apparently this is still original. So is it actually? I'm not sure.

[A]

We believe in apparently.

[B]

We believe in apparently. That's the legend of the historic tub. The legend of the tub. People say that this tub is original. Is original.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So yeah, this town was basically set up for people to live in between their lives. Like, what happens now and then what happens next. But it's not really. It wasn't intended to be necessarily like a place for people. People to stay long term. Perfect setup for a haunted Location A hotel in a hotel built in 1893 by Newton Roads, although some sites said Abraham Kaufman built it and then was later purchased by Newton Roads. Who's to say? Not me. The hotel was a beacon for travelers on the railroad line between Chicago and Indianapolis, but not just anyone passing through, because this place was also. It was like Victorian elegance. This was the fancy hotel that you stay at. So it had the grand porches, it had some fine dining, which Newton's wife, Clara Rhodes, she actually, like, was in charge of all of the food and the dining experience, and she made it, like, very posh.

[A]

So it's like, very bed and breakfast, but, yeah, like, fancy.

[B]

Yes. It was a very notable place to stay when you came through. They lived there with their two children, Hazel and Everett.

[A]

What a cool way to grow up, right?

[B]

Sweet life of Zach and the original Zack and Cody. So according to the property's own history page, because you can go on their website, there are three confirmed deaths in the hotel, the first being Newton Rhodes himself in 1926, leaving behind his wife, Clara, and their children. Right. As the great depression is happening. Yes. So I'm not exactly sure the date. Their son Everett had passed away, too, but when he was just 19 years old, he died of tuberculosis. And he had been confined in this hotel until his passing, which we know

[A]

now that, like, confinement's, like, the worst thing you could do for tuberculosis, like getting outside in fresh mountain air, fresh sunlight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sad. But I also get it. I bedrot when I'm not sick and when I'm sick, so.

[B]

Right. It's hard. Yeah. And, like, you don't know what to do. You just know it's contagious. So it's like it's a quarantine. So, again, I'm not really sure the date, so I'm not sure if he died before his dad or after. I think it was after. I think Clara was with her two children after her husband's passing. So during the time of the great Depression, again, like, so many of our episodes, it doesn't matter if you were this, like, booming, fancy hotel. You were booked for five years straight. No vacant rooms. Everyone came. Presidents, famous people, celebrities, whatever. Hotels were closing during the great Depression. Like, no one's spending money on a. On a vacation or, like, a luxury vacation. Right. So Clara, she's like, okay, well, I have a family to take care of. This is my entire business. This is my only way to make money right now.

[A]

It's also during a time where women weren't traditionally making income. Like, it was the man worked, the woman stayed at home, the kids.

[B]

And they're seeing fewer people come through anyway because this is like a more like pass through type of town. This isn't like they're not in Chicago. Right. So already there's fewer people traveling because of the Great Depression. And so there's fewer people, like, seeking a place to stay and definitely not shelling out money that they ordinarily would have done here. So Clara's like, I gotta pivot a little bit. I own this place. We're not leaving this place. But what we do at this place needs to change a little bit. So she turned it into a speakeasy and brothel.

[A]

I love her.

[B]

Sex and alcohol always has buyers.

[A]

Always. No matter the economy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Those you can rely on, which is also fucked up.

[B]

I know.

[A]

The problem is alleged, as so many were.

[B]

Right. So Clara had some updates made to the structure of the hotel. She had hidden rooms and trick doors built because we were entering the prohibition era. So to protect her patrons from the prohibition era raids, she, like, literally had secret rooms. Secret rooms, like hiding spots for everybody in this hotel. And she was really good at business, too. Local legends suggest that high profile gangsters like Al Capone and John Dillinger used the hotel as a hideout while traveling the rural underground routes of the Midwest. Where has Al Capone not been?

[A]

That's the thing. Like, he was a busy man and he was all over the place.

[B]

Did he. Did he have a home? Like, where did he.

[A]

Did he say anyone stayed on the move if you don't want to get caught?

[B]

Yeah, I guess so. But, like, all to say, like, she was so successful in promoting this and, like, having a place for people to go and, like, party and feel alive, but also feel protected and safe from the authorities, that this became supposedly kind of like a go to spot for the gangsters of the time. Yeah. So while the business pivot kept Clara and her family afloat for a little while, it did officially come to an end. The hotel closed in 1937. And I will say a lot of sources didn't include dates. I'm kind of like, trying to fudge some things together here. I'm not sure if it closed with Clara's death or not. Some sources suggested that Clara and her daughter Hazel had lived there until about 1940, which would suggest that the hotel closed. But then they still lived there as, like, a private residence for another few years. But it's kind of muddy.

[A]

Sure. But it closed.

[B]

It closed. The Rose Hotel website says that there are three confirmed Deaths at the hotel. So we have Newton, we have Everett Rhodes, their son, and then eventually we have Clara. But another article I saw said that Newton's stepmother also passed here. So that would suggest four deaths. But maybe when we know about confirmed deaths, it's like, there's only a record of three, but maybe there's, like, a journal entry that suggests that there's the force.

[A]

Also. I just think about, like, if this is, like, a type of place where people are, like, transient and moving, coming and going. Did people die in their sleep or, like, and no one really talked about it because it didn't like.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It could be, like, death reported, but the location's not, like, stated to be the hotel. I also think about if it is this 1920s speakeasy, who knows what's happening there? And they're covering up things that are happening.

[B]

Oh, totally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, also, death doesn't need to happen on a property for it to be haunted.

[B]

So that is true. Okay. So we're speculating that there's four, but actually there's conversation around a fifth death, which we'll get to shortly. So three on the record, but potentially two more.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Once the Rhodes Hotel was closed, it largely sat vacant, and it did serve as a makeshift apartment building until restoration efforts began in the mid-1990s. So it was, like, empty. Then they made it an apartment building, and then it shut down again. Today the property is actively operated for investigations and tours, but the current site describing ownership, that and, like, the funds basically from all of, like, the ghost hunts and investigations goes towards the upkeep and the restoration of the property.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

It is. And you can do, like. You can do, like, a public. Similar to so many other places. You can sign up for, like, a public tour, or you can actually, like, rent it yourself for an overnight investigation.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

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[A]

Like, that's their business now, is ghosts.

[B]

Yes. They're like, that is the allure to come here. On the Rhodes website, it says, quote, the hotel is now owned by Crystal Couch. Her brother Mike Couch, is the main tour guide for the hotel.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

He is supported by Gina, a paranormal investigator who has a long history with the hotel. Adam, also a paranormal investigator, assists with public investigations, which I'd love because they're like, two people on staff are paranormal investigators.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's fully set up for this.

[A]

I mean, I feel like it is the type of place that people who are paranormal enthusiasts would buy. Like, I don't think a non paranormal enthusiast is buying a location and making it a ghost investigation place. You have to have some affinity.

[B]

Yeah. Or you're great. Opened it up to be a hotel again or something. It's for ghost tours. Yeah. Visitors often describe haunting encounters as you may expect. Lights turning on and off when no one's nearby, Doors opening and closing inexplicably. Footsteps when no one should be moving around. Voices and conversations can be heard in empty rooms. And people will say, like, it sounds so much like a conversation that, like, it literally sounds like there's a group of people. Well, this is very, like, hidden speakeasy vibes.

[A]

Yes. It also makes me wonder at what point did the hauntings happen? Like, did the Couches go visit it? Was it abandoned when they were, like, growing up and they had gone in with their friends and had haunting experiences so that when they grew up, they were like, oh, my gosh, we have to purchase that place and, like, yeah. Actually turn it into a place that people can investigate.

[B]

Right. Because, like, the history of it isn't even that long. Like, if we think about when, like, in between the time when they bought it. Well, I guess it's still over 50 years, but yeah, it was apartments in between. Like, were the apartments haunted? I'm curious, what's the lore before it became a place?

[A]

Call up the Couches.

[B]

I have never heard that last name before, but I appreciate it.

[A]

Also, Crystal Couch. There's something so, like, magical. Crystal Couch, the alliteration.

[B]

Okay. So, yeah, there's a lot of, like, the typical hauntings. Movement on the upper floors, footsteps, that sort of thing. But people also get touched. Visitors describe their Clothing being tugged, their hair being pulled, their arms being grabbed. And the spirit who's doing this? We're not sure. There's some speculation. So our first suspect is a tall, dark figure that some people refer to as being a shadow man or shadow figure. He's frequently seen lurking near the staircase and near the living room area.

[A]

Why do shadow figures always lurk?

[B]

There's so much lurking. Yeah, but then it's really. I feel like they're so still so frequently. And then it's really scary when they

[A]

dart, when anything darts. Yeah, yeah, it's scary.

[B]

I've never seen a shadow figure walk.

[A]

Yeah, you're right. They either like you blink and they move closer or. Yeah, they sprint.

[B]

They're sprinters. Or they're totally still.

[A]

Yeah, yuck.

[B]

I hate that. Well, anyway, so people aren't necessarily committed to the idea that this is just like a shadow person, but rather some have speculated that this could be the spirit of Newton Rhodes himself.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

So kind of appearing as this sort of shadowy form. This figure has apparently responded to investigators questions with footsteps suggesting that this is not a residual haunting. This is like an active like tap

[A]

spirit as a nod. Cool.

[B]

Who can communicate actively, intelligently. And so people are like, well, could this be the hair grabbing ghost? Like this is an active spirit who's like lurking around and following people and like can communicate and understand that people are here. But there's another spirit on the property who may have a little more reason to be calling for attention. A tragic legend and possibly a fifth death on the property. Allegedly Sarah was a young woman who was working in the brothel. And one night a client that she was servicing attacked and murdered her, ending her life in the Rhodes Hotel.

[A]

Fuck him.

[B]

And this is all alleged, right? Because like there's no record of it. But why would there be record of anything illegal and illicit happening here?

[A]

And alleged or not that happened, happened, happens currently still so often. Oh my God. I saw the most disturbing statistic. And I'm gonna butcher the number, but it was like the amount of times that how to kill a woman without getting caught was searched in the last year. The last year was like an alarming amount. Yeah, I like it.

[B]

I'm so disturbed by that.

[A]

Yeah, we should be. You should be. Everyone who hears that should be disturbed by that fact. Should I look up how many times? Yeah, sorry for disturbing facts here from me. Okay. The first thing that came up was there's two searches. I'm going to kill her when she gets home. Was searched 178 million times. In 2020. Then how to Hit a Woman so no One Knows was similarly searched 163 million times in 2020.

[B]

My heart just, I think, like, stopped. You know when it feels like it

[A]

flutters and you get disgusting.

[B]

It's so gross. How do you. How do you. How do we even fix that?

[A]

I mean, Australia.

[B]

Do you still take criminals?

[A]

Yeah. What, do we literally find a new island?

[B]

I don't know. Yeah.

[A]

No, I have. I mean, thoughts, but they're not real ones. That could actually happen.

[B]

No, I wish. Dude, if I had magic powers. Well, I guess it would depend on

[A]

what my magic powers are.

[B]

Wow. I can eat chips twice as speed as anyone else. That's magic power.

[A]

That is quite a magic power.

[B]

Yeah, I already can. So

[A]

you are magical. Congratulations.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Anyway, the point being what you're saying, whether it's a legend or real fake, not like that happens.

[B]

Right. So people definitely think that this did happen and that this could be a fifth death on the property. Visitors have reported hearing a woman sob and then soon after, feeling their hair or their clothing being tugged, which to me suggests, like, this is her being like, someone help me. Someone do something. Like, I'm here. I need help. Which is so.

[A]

That breaks my heart.

[B]

Because it's tragic. Yeah.

[A]

It feels like they're actively stuck in that too.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

She's gotten no recognition. I don't know if anything has come up on, like, EVPs or anything with her saying anything, but this is. This is why I do think it might be the spirit of this woman who's tugging people's hair and clothing. More than the idea that this, like, shadow figure could be. Who might be Newton. Mr. Newton Rhodes. Yes. Is the culprit. Yeah.

[A]

That's sad.

[B]

There are a few other spirits seen on the property as well. So Newton Rhodes is suspected to be there. So are Clara and Everett. So all three of the Rhodes family members who passed on the property. Hazel, the daughter, not seen in spirit form there.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

I'm just trying to do math. I assume she's passed for sure.

[A]

They lived there in the early 1900s.

[B]

She lived there with her mom until 1940. 40. Ish. But what if she was only like, 8?

[A]

But wasn't it open far before that? Like it was a hotel in the 18, like, 1890s?

[B]

Yeah, but I don't know when they had kids. There's a lot of dates missing from this. That's why I'm like, I'm going to say it's probably. She's probably passed.

[A]

Guess that she has passed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

One thing uplifting. There's a ghost cat.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

Multiple investigators have reported that there is a small, dark shape darting between their legs in the hallways. The reason why they think it's a cat is because it's often accompanied by the distinct sound of purring or a meow.

[A]

Meow. That's so cute. Yeah.

[B]

And there are no animals on the property and.

[A]

No, there is.

[B]

Yes, in ghost form. There totally are. So this place is certainly active with paranormal activity. We know that. And the site, Midwest living, actually interviewed the property manager, Mike Couch, the brother of the owner, who said about storms that storms, quote, seem to energize the atmosphere. And when a storm rolls in, the spirits become more active, which, in theory,

[A]

makes sense, but I feel like we've never heard that before.

[B]

Yeah, it makes sense because, like, that seem. It, like, feels like that's what happens in television and film, but also just

[A]

the energy that happens during storms, like lightning. Like, that is electric energy in the sky, and you're powering up physics, which you know a lot about. So. Yeah, science, facts.

[B]

One room in particular gets very active. Probably the last room you would want to be in. The doll room.

[A]

Why did it become the doll room? Because there's no connection to the past.

[B]

No, there's not. It's stuffed with old dolls. Apparently, some of the dolls might be left over from, like, previous owners and tenants and stuff, but largely they have been donated by locals. So somehow this just, like, became a thing. I don't know how.

[A]

Once you start collecting haunted dolls, you can't stop.

[B]

Yeah. And again, like, for this property, even though there was so much record in terms of, like, the history of the physical structure, because of the submission. Submission that they had made, there's not a ton of exact dates and information going through history or, like, how things came to be. I'm sure a lot of that gets told when you go on tour, but

[A]

they have to keep some of it secret or specific for the tour.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was, like, going into reviews and stuff of people on tours and whatnot, and I just, like, couldn't find exactly what I was looking for.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I don't know exactly how the

[A]

doll room came out, and now it

[B]

is, but the dolls seem to be alive.

[A]

Well, then my question, too, is, at what point was the doll room a place? And when did they first start hearing these reports of, like, the woman crying and the tugging? Because I'm gonna guess that a lot of these dolls are alive or haunted in some way. Like, is there Some spirit that came with one of the dolls that has this energy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So it's interesting. So, like, the. The dolls, when people are in the room, they say that the dolls will stare at you and follow you with their little, like, glass eyes throughout the room. So it feels like they're alive and then they'll move. So if you leave the room and you come back in, they'll be in a different place. But sometimes it's clear that they've been, like, thrown. So there's also the question of, is there someone playing with the dolls? Specifically, they have had cameras set up that have captured the dolls tipping over, rotating their heads when the room is empty, and, like, doing that sort of stuff the dolls do. That's terrifying. But in the room, recorders often pick up the voice of a little girl. So this is why they're like, oh, could this little girl be the one, like, doing this and playing with the dolls?

[A]

I love them.

[B]

And there's apparently some famous recording which I could not find, but they have. If you go on their website, they have, like, a promo video for, like, visiting there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they have a voice saying this, which I'm like, I think that this is a voice actor saying it. But there's a famous recording of a voice saying Goody, which is either a name or expression. And it's been Goody or, like, is that the little girl's name Goody?

[A]

Because it is a name.

[B]

Yeah, it's a name. So that's been captured multiple times by multiple investigators, apparently. So Goody definitely seems to be, I would say, the identity of a spirit haunting here.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So despite the idea that, like, maybe there's this little girl playing with the dolls and having a good time, people have said that this room feels really oppressive. So I do wonder what has happened in this room in the past before

[A]

it was about the beef between dolls. Like, just because they're a doll doesn't mean they're all going to get along with each other. Like, I think about Greg and Dana. I think about Greg and Dana all the time.

[B]

But I think I also love how many people have been like. I feel like we get so many emails and comments about people being like, thank you so much. You. You exposed me to Greg and Dana. And it's like, yeah, they're because. They're.

[A]

Because they're amazing.

[B]

But that's our one claim to fame is getting people just siphoning people over to them.

[A]

I love that fear for it. But I feel like they've talked about interaction between different objects and, like, having to figure out, like, maybe they don't put certain things next to each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I feel like this doll room, granted, I'm not there and I have not been there, but yeah, there might be beef between dolls.

[B]

True. And it's not like they're just displaying dolls in other rooms. Like, there's a specific room for all the dolls to be in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it does seem like there's no separation. It's just like the doll room is the doll room. Right. So I don't know, but I'll say. There were so many references to the amount of EVPs captured, the amount of paranormal evidence, the amount of videos, the amount that's on camera that people have set up over the years and caught. Yet I couldn't find anything or. It's really challenging to find evidence online or evidence that was clear evidence because there were some people that had set up whatever and put. Publish their YouTube video. And then I'm watching it and I'm not actually hearing anything. So I guess that is my call to action. That if you've been. If you have evidence, if you're Crystal couch or Mike. Or Mike. And you want to share, like, a couple of the things that have been discovered through your own cameras or from your tours. Yeah, we will take it. Because it really was like, hyping it up. And yet I didn't get to see anything.

[A]

I mean, I think about when we went to the Lizzie Borden house and they had this, like, whole book, like, binder of photos and evidence and different things. And like a YouTube link that was a private video.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of compiled things that they have collected from people who've gone there that you can't get access to unless you go do a tour, do an investigation of the place, which I get. And then also, yeah, it's like going

[B]

on just like a walking ghost tour. Like, there's so many things where it's like, oh, a group of, like, three months ago captured this photo, and you're looking at your. Your tour guide's iPhone.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, you're never gonna see that picture again.

[A]

Right. And I also think about if there are videos on YouTube, likely there's not a time code specifically like, oh, EVP thing happens here or photo here. And it's unfortunately hard to like, to go through and comb through hours of YouTube videos to find the specific evidence.

[B]

I was like, really relying on some of those reviews for people I know to be like, oh, I found this or that. And I just couldn't really. It's hard find anything in the allotted amount of time that I had to do this research. So if I had 100 hours, maybe I would have been able to present a couple things here.

[A]

But if we had all the time in the world, you bet we'd have.

[B]

There's no chance there'd be a skeptic out there. No. Yeah. We promised you we'd find everything if

[A]

we had the time.

[B]

Yeah, but we know. Friends. Is the Rhodes Hotel, a time capsule from the gas boom era of Indiana with confirmed deaths on site on the property.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

And a reputation that centers on footsteps, voices, electrifying storms, and an upstairs doll room. It is haunted and you can experience it for yourself.

[A]

Damn, that's so cool.

[B]

It is. I also just like, I know that it's alleged that Clara had turned it into a brothel and speakeasy, but I love that. I love that story of, like, her being like, no, I'm not gonna go under. I'm just gonna.

[A]

Reminds me of the woman in St. Augustine, the one that you did.

[B]

Oh, and she shines the. Her ghost shines the lantern to, like,

[A]

tell bootleggers it's time to bring the alcohol.

[B]

Yes. Oh, my gosh. I can't remember, but it's in St. Augustine and it's like, not on the.

[A]

We walked past it.

[B]

Yeah, it's like, not perfectly on the main drag. It's like a little bit further on the road, but yeah. Very cool.

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Lex and Lex actually. I'm sorry, I just realized I had kept up the National Register of Historic Places document. And it's an old kitchen sink with iron hand pumps on the first story, which is the orig it says which may have been the original kitchen sink. And one bathroom has retained an apparently original marble sink while the other still has an antique claw footed tub.

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[A]

Okay, so a few years ago, I want to say maybe nine years ago, I was still in high school at the time. Something strange happened to my little sister, who was around 12 or 13 at the time. So I had a friend in school who I'd grown very close to, and I used to sleep over at her house pretty much every weekend. Her dad was a single dad and pretty strict, but he was cool, and he liked that she hung out with me because I was very motivated with schoolwork, and I was one of her only English friends, and she helped me with my Afrikaans, which is spoken here in South Africa, and I helped her with English. So she had a room in her house that always felt very off. Whenever I slept there, it felt like something heavy was on my chest. We would mostly sleep in her room, but sometimes we used to sleep in the spare room that had these thick, heavy curtains that made the bedroom so dark you couldn't even see your hand. And she used to joke or say that her house was haunted. And her dad told us stories of a little girl with a white dress that used to walk around. And we would look at the cameras to double check because something had happened with her dog. And we saw these white orbs float around and then a few weird, faint, glowing things in the footage. I'm not sure if this ghost girl was nice or not, but I never thought much of it after that, as she never made contact. And the dad said she was nice and meant no harm. So really, we didn't think about it. We used to hang around her Wendy house, which we looked up. I guess it's like an additional building on the property that, like, staff would live in. And her dad had built this when she was younger, and it still had all of her toys from when she was little. And that day we had to clean it out. We chilled inside, listening to music, eating snacks. We spoke about school and laughed at a few things that we found in the shed.

[B]

Oh, so maybe it's a shed.

[A]

It must be.

[B]

Yeah, guys, Google's tough. It's. You don't always find the right answer, right?

[A]

Because it also sounds like this is a place that, like, she hung out with as a kid. Like, almost like a tree house, but.

[B]

Okay, so it's just a playhouse, a secondary structure on the property. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

We laughed at a few things that we found in the shed which were meant to be. Like, when you go through all your kids stuff, you know, journals. One item we found was a small pink cushion with a princess doll on it. It was kind of cute and I kept finding myself putting it in my lap while we were chatting. Then it got dark outside and we were called inside. My friend looked at me and said, you can have that if you want. Knowing I had a little sister who was like 12ish at the time and was still into stuff like that, and I said, thanks. I thought maybe my sister would like to put it on her bed. I'm not sure why I wanted to take this pillow home, but it felt like I needed to. Like, I really badly wanted to take it home. So when I got home, I gave it to my sister. My sister put it on her bed and even slept with it. One night I bunked with my sister because we used to have lots of sleepovers when we were younger. And I want to point out that our house was very, very old and this night was Halloween. I slept well that night, but my sister started talking in her sleep. She was saying something like, no, no. But I couldn't really remember. I turned over and fell back asleep. The next day, my sister told me she had a dream about a little girl in a white dress with light hair trying to talk to her. I thought it was weird, but I didn't think anything of it. The next night, she had another dream. This dream was more interactive and she looked scared. So the next night I told her, why don't you leave your pillow on the chair in the room and sleep in your bedroom? So, like, not sleeping in the same room. She had no dreams that night. The following night, we made her sleep with this pillow to test out a theory. Was it the pillow causing these dreams? Sure enough, that night, while sleeping with the pillow, she had dreams of this little girl. This little girl in the dream asked where our little brother was and where the knives were because she wanted to play doctor with my brother with the knives.

[B]

What the fuck? Oh, my God.

[A]

My sister woke up in the middle of the night crying to tell my parents. Isn't that horrifying?

[B]

So scary. I'm glad that her sister, like, is understanding that this is wrong and is so scared by it instead of being like, oh, that's a fun game. I've never thought about it.

[A]

My dad used to be a practicing pagan, and my mom was also spiritual, so when they heard about this, they took it very seriously. My mother cleansed the house, washed my sister's bedding and my sister's clothes. And my dad and older brother took the pillow someplace very far away. They didn't tell us where, but they got rid of it and they came home and we cleansed them, too. My dad said a protective prayer over the house and told any leftover energy that it was not welcome and to please leave. Before we told my parents, the corner where that chair had been had seemed very, very dark. But now that the pillow was gone and now that we had cleansed, the room was a lot lighter again. My sister never had another dream about this girl. And I learned a lesson to not bring strange objects from a haunted house into ours. I find it very creepy how this little girl was able to enter my sister's dream. Yeah, see you on the other side, Bex. Dang.

[B]

You know what? I'm so glad that it did present itself as quickly as it did.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And that her little sister was vocal about what she was experiencing, because I feel like this could have been, like, one of those slow rules where it just, like, plays it too cool. There's an imaginary friend for a couple years, and then it gets worse and worse and worse.

[A]

And then they find her sister playing with knives in her bedroom.

[B]

Right. And then it becomes harder to identify, like, what the cause is.

[A]

But it was wake up in the middle of the night with her holding a knife at your bedside, oh, my God, I want to play Dr. Mommy.

[B]

And right behind her is the doll just standing there.

[A]

Okay, Life size Barbies, Devil's advocate here. It's creepy.

[B]

The doll's advocate.

[A]

Yeah, the doll's advocate here. It's creepy. But also, what if this little girl

[B]

grew up in a time were playing with knives and.

[A]

No, no. Where her father was a doctor, like, and they performed surgeries and stuff at home. Like, seeing the scalpels and the knives and things like that. Or maybe she was watching her dad and her dad was, like, telling her how to do things growing up.

[B]

Okay. I think that is literally the only thing that would make this somewhat. Okay. Yeah. If a suggestion.

[A]

That's why I was trying.

[B]

I was like, wow, what is the spin going to be that makes this playing with knives on a person. But, like, that one, that one could make a little more sense.

[A]

Right? Because like, the. At the previous house, the dad said, like, she means no harm.

[B]

Doesn't mean that, because that's what the doll tells him.

[A]

I don't know. It's gone.

[B]

Probably for the best.

[A]

Although if it is an Innocent spirit. I do feel bad now. And this poor spirit is alone. Who knows where.

[B]

It's like AI movie where they put

[A]

him in the woods.

[B]

What?

[A]

Did you ever watch AI Artificial Intelligence? That movie?

[B]

No, man.

[A]

It's so devastating. Oh. They basically adopt this, like, robot child, and when they, like, decide they, like, don't want him anymore, and this, like, robot child loves the, like, the family so much.

[B]

It's a child.

[A]

It's a child. They literally go put him in the woods, abandon him in the woods.

[B]

What is wrong with people?

[A]

That's so sad.

[B]

That is so sad. I can't take you.

[A]

You would die. You could never watch this movie.

[B]

No, I can't.

[A]

It's hard punches.

[B]

I can't handle anything right now.

[A]

No. Anyway, we can handle ghost stories that we can handle.

[B]

So please send us literally on TikTok, my like for you page is like, paranormal. And then if you go to Instagram, my only suggested if I. If I pulled it up right now.

[A]

Is it gardening?

[B]

Every single one is just a gardening bed. There's not even like, a celebrity somewhere or, like a dog. It's just plants.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Those are the two things my heart goes on.

[A]

Plants. You're a witch. Those go hand in hand.

[B]

We're witches. We're witches.

[A]

You're a witch. You're a witch. You're a witch. Speaking of, if you're a witch, please email us. We want to hear your ghost stories. Email us@two girls, one ghost podcastmail.com. and then if you haven't heard us already talk about this, we have Patreon.

[B]

And.

[A]

And it is.

[B]

I've had Patreon for a long time.

[A]

It is my favorite community.

[B]

We keep adding perks.

[A]

We keep adding perks, but we keep also collecting the coolest members. And I feel like it's. It's a family every Tuesday. Yeah, we have campfire stories, which is basically like, we have a zoom link. You can join us live. And we chit chat. It's like we eat lunch and you

[B]

will tell us your ghost stories, on which I love, because we get to see people, like, at work with their cows. Yeah, with their cows. Or, like, doing their makeup routine. Like, we're all just hanging out like friends. And it has been nice because we can actually, like, get to know people and get to know their life stories, too, along with the paranormal.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah. People come on, share their haunted tales, which is really fun. And then we also have book club, which is like the same sort of vibe every class, which I'm on.

[A]

Too.

[B]

Which class has been amazing, especially because now we live near Salem. So we are tapping into that community.

[A]

Yeah, we're making some, like actual witchy,

[B]

spooky, talented friends and like, learn things within the craft and people can take what they want or not. But that's been so great and fascinating.

[A]

In April, we're having Lifa, who is a member of our Patreon, teach our witch class. And we have like a plethora of ideas, but I think she's going to help talk us through understanding your big three when it comes to astrology and understanding what represents your sun sign versus your ascending versus your moon, because I feel like it could be confusing.

[B]

And when you're a Patreon member who has access to the witch classes, you also get to rewatch it. So if you miss a class, they're available for replay. So the last one we had was all about color magic, which is so incredible.

[A]

It was so magical.

[B]

Literally, it's magical. So Patreon's a great place. And then beyond all of the additional perks that we have like that within the platform, there's also on Patreon and then if you're an Apple subscriber, you get episodes ad free and one week early, plus a bonus episode. But if you're a Patreon member, you also get two extra encounters stories a month. Yeah.

[A]

And so much more. So, yeah, check that out on Patreon. It's all linked in the show notes. If you're like, oh, I like it, but how do I find it linked in the show notes? Or you can go to our website, 2girls1ghost.com. It has everything on there.

[B]

You also get a discount on merch.

[A]

Oh yeah. And new merch is coming soon, if not out already.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I'm excited.

[B]

You get pre sale access whenever we do any sort of like live event. Which. Yeah. You know, last time when we did something in Salem, it sold out just only on Patreon within like seconds.

[A]

So anyway, join us over there. It's really, really fun. Otherwise you can Watch us on YouTube. Please rate and review us on itunes. Also, please, please, please tell your friends, your family, your ghosts about us. Spread the word. Because this is a pyramid scheme. And if you tell two people and they have to tell two people, next thing you know, it's world domination.

[B]

Yeah. And then we get a ghost car. We get the. Why can't I think of the. The spongebob Mermaid and Barnacle Mermaid man and Barnacle Boy Batmobile.

[A]

No, that's the Mermaidobile.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

What is something like that?

[B]

Yeah. Something mobile.

[A]

Barnacle. No. Now I want to.

[B]

I feel like we every single time we bring this up, we have to Google it. Yeah, it's the invisible. The invisible Boat Mobile. Boat Mobile Boat Mobile.

[A]

Okay. Join us on all those things. We love you all and. Oh, yeah, and there's Jamie and Corinne.

[B]

You say Jamie. Hey, Jamie. Thank you for editing and producing our podcast. We so appreciate it.

[A]

And thanks for sharing your haunted experience that you had while editing. We're sorry. Sorry to haunt you.

[B]

Thank you for not quitting on us. Seriously, we love you all and we will see you on the other side.

[A]

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