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Winter is so last season and now
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spring's got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders that perfect hang on the patio sundress those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done. Hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope.
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It's time for a little in person spring treat.
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It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Very spooky. Hi.
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Hello.
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How is everyone doing?
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Greetings.
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Greetings, Ethan.
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Greetings to all of you.
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Actually, I just saw Project Hail Mary. So good.
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Did you read the book first?
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I did not read the book. Andy Weir, I think that's his name, he wrote the Martian project Hail Mary. And there's like another big one that he wrote but this movie. And I asked my brother because my brother's a big reader of these books and he was like, they did a really good job of adapting it. Adapting it. But it's so funny. It's so witty. Ryan Gosling is hot af. Like, my God, it should be illegal to be that beautiful as a man.
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I need to see this.
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And there's aliens and like a beautiful relationship with an alien.
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Oh, my gosh. I have been seeing that. It's getting really good reviews.
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I loved it.
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And I also love how the alien creature, what's his name?
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Rocky or something like that.
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I saw online that the person who voiced him wasn't actually supposed to voice him at all. It was like the puppet master, basically for him. And when they were practicing and doing all of this work together, they were like, okay, well, you just understand the character so well.
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You should be Rocky.
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Can you just be Rocky? At least that's what I saw online. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that's how you got the gig.
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But yeah, it's so good. Loved it.
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A new to watch movie.
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Yes. Also, hi.
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We are two girls, one ghost.
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Two girls, one ghost. We are your ghostesses. That's Corinne. Hello, I'm Sabrina. You've already chugged your coffee. Today that you've gone back and filled it up with water. And I'm.
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And I'm almost done with the water. My body's still falling apart.
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You know, we're barely here, but we're.
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We're barely here.
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We're making things happen. And regardless of what we do, ghosts be ghosting.
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Ghosts be ghosting. Ain't that right?
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Don't you forget it. Whoa. I feel like that was a mix of, like, a little, like, kid sound, but then also, like, the horror movie.
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Yeah, it's a little creepy. You wouldn't want to hear it in the middle of the night coming from your hallway when you thought you're home alone.
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Actually, tragically, that's kind of what today's episode is about.
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Oh, no. Me creeping through people's hallways.
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Yes. It's actually a real life story about the time that Corinne creeps through my house with the. With an axe. I wouldn't be surprised if that's something you did. It's not something you've done.
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Axe would not be my choice of weapon.
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What would your weapon be?
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Well, not an axe. It's too heavy.
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Fair. Agreed.
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Fireplace poker.
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When I was in Joshua Tree a couple years back, I was on a bachelorette trip, and I just got, like, weird vibes being out there, you know, it's Joshua Tree. There's weird energy.
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It is weird. And I. I've never been, but just looking at pictures, I'm like, hmm.
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I slept with the knife sharpener next to my bed. Just a sharpener, like the long dowel. And I was like, I feel like
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you could strike someone over the head with it.
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Poke someone's eye out with it.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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But I don't really need weapons necessarily. When you have teeth and fingers and extracellulite on your thighs that will hold and mold to all of the spaces and suffocate.
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The other day, I was thinking about. I don't know why I thought about it, but I think I was thinking about how you were talking about, like, crushing people's heads with your thighs.
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I said, think about it at least once a week.
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Well, me too, apparently. And I was like, I really do believe, like, Corinne could crush my head with her thighs.
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The thing. Like, I know it, but we're not
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going to try it.
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We're not going to try it. But, like, I just know, like, every time there's some scenario, like, anxious scenario that plays out in my mind, I'm like, if I could just get someone right here, it's over. Like, there's no One like, I think I could kill a bear that way.
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You should try it with a watermelon.
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Oh, I should?
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Yeah.
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Guys, it's going to happen.
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I love it. Crushed. Okay, so today's episode, in my mind,
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I was just like, what? Like, if someone knew that that's if they were trying to attack me and that was my move, like, how awkward would it be? Like, me just constantly trying to put their head into my crotch, and then them, like, swatting and fighting me when I'm like, what I'm here for.
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Here come.
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It would look really bizarre.
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Wow. And now I do want to see it happen.
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Well, no, I don't want to injure someone, but just don't attack.
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Well, you would want to injure someone if they were attacking you. They would deserve it.
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Oh, exactly. They're not human anymore to me.
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Well, there's someone in this story who deserves to be injured, but they did not get injured. And we'll get there. But today we are venturing down south to one of the most beautiful and most haunted cities in America. Savannah, Georgia.
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Place you went without me
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holding onto that.
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It's okay. I'll forgive one day. Give me another 15 years of friendship. I'll forget about it.
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I feel like there are a lot of places now I've been without you.
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Yeah, but that's the one I care about.
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Okay, well, but it's okay. I'll go back with you.
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Yeah, that's not the thing. It's just like, we have to one day go.
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Yes.
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It's not like, oh, you went first without me, and I'll never forget it.
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That's when you'll forget about it.
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We need to also have haunted space.
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We need to have our moment where we go together. Okay.
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Well.
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Tucked along a quiet street once sat a house that witnessed unthinkable horrors. A boarding house that became the site of one of the most brutal murders in the city's history, where three women were murdered. The police became so desperate for answers, and that they hired an actor to pretend to be a ghost.
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What? That is a bizarre twist, a story that I've never heard before.
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Oh, I had never heard of it either. And I was like, well, this. That's what drew me into the story. Just that sentence alone.
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Yeah, that's the tagline.
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But over a century later, there is no need for actors, because there are plenty of ghosts that are very, very real. This is the story of the Gribble house and the 1909 Savannah Axe Murders.
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Damn. What's up with all the axe Murdering back then.
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That's a really good question, because like you said, an ax is really heavy. It's not, like, the easiest weapon of choice. And also nowadays, like, axes aren't readily available. They're not just, like, in everybody's homes.
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No. An axes. Was everyone chopping their own wood back then?
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Right.
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Like, why was that common household?
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Or was it, like, screwdriver of the. Of that day?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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It's.
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It's not like they didn't have knives or other weapons. Yeah.
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I don't know. Anyone who has a history of axe knowledge, please let us know.
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Maybe the use of fingerprints in crime evidence has discouraged people. Yeah. Because you really have to get your hands all over the axe to hold it.
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That's true.
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To wield an axe, but.
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Okay, let's get into some history, because we love history here. Savannah, Georgia. It's one of those places that feels very suspended in time. There's cobblestone streets, historic squares, massive oak trees dripping in Spanish moss.
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Yes, that is what I stunning dream of. If I could have Spanish moss in New England.
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Well, it is.
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That would make it way more creepy up here.
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Isn't it, like, super? This is not the right word. I was gonna say contagious, but no, it's invasive.
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Like, you don't really want it, but it's so beautiful.
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Yeah, you do want it for the aesthetic. You've got centuries of history layered on top of each other. Wars, disease, tragedy, a lot of death. And like I said, tucked into one of those streets sits a warehouse that seems to be just that, a warehouse. Brick walls, a large cargo door. Unassuming. But stop for a moment and take it in. Because the energy permeating off this land would make anyone question themselves and say, yeah, this is not just any warehouse. That's because it is not. And it wasn't always a warehouse. It was once the location of a boarding house called the Gribble House.
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The Gribble House.
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G R I B B L E. Gribble.
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Sounds like a dog's name.
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Come here, Gribble.
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Come here, Gribble. Or like a guinea pig, Gribble means. Aw, cute. Now I want a pet.
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I. I keep thinking about the fear of having a child one day. Who wants pet tarantulas? And like reptiles, I'm very scared of them.
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See, that was never a thought that crossed my mind. People are going to be so mad at me for a comment I'm about to make. Yeah, I catch bugs. Release them outside.
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I do not.
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My husband murders Them I murder. There was a beetle on the outside of the window. And we were inside and Noah saw it and was like, oh, my gosh. And was watching it. And then he went and grabbed a paper towel and was trying to murder it.
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Has he seen Brian do it?
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Has he seen Brian do it? I was like, no, no, no. So I don't know. I think I'm okay with my firstborn. I don't think he's gonna be a tarantula guy. Cause he's. He's already trying to dispose of the books. So I was like, oh, look, a beautiful beetle. And he's like, trying to squash it.
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Yeah, I'm not.
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That was not a fear that I ever considered. And now it's going to be.
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Yeah, it's. I know I would not do well with that, but I guess apparently you have a little bit of control. I could not. What if it gets out?
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Well, I'm not gonna let them get like a anaconda. Yeah. Like there are some, like a bowl constrictor. No, thanks. My cousin had one of those.
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What? Well, I was talking to my friend Caitlyn who has. See a little, like, lizard or whatever it's called. Oh, oh, Carol.
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Carol has a Carl. Carol.
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And I was like, what do you feed Carol?
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A bearded dragon.
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Right.
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That's what Carol is.
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And they feed Carol crickets. Okay.
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But that was Caitlyn's choice. That was before she had child.
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It's wild.
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That was her choice in pet.
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And Carol lives a long time. I'm pretty sure. Like, they've. They've had Carol for like eight years already. And it's gonna. She's gonna keep living.
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I forgot about Carol.
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I know. Okay, well, this is not about Carol. This is about Gribble. And the history of this house is not very well documented, but it's believed to have been built sometime in the 1800s. It stood witness to the Civil War through the reconstruction of the city of Savannah and saw decades of change and hardship. And it sat on the edges of downtown, close to the railroad tracks in an area called Frogtown.
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And this is a made up story. Like, this sounds so. Gribble Academy in Frogtown. It's like, this is a kid's book.
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It's not. It gets really, really rated R very quickly.
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The names, though.
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I know. But over the years, this area developed a bit of an unsavory reputation, I think probably because it was close to the railroad tracks. Like it attracted thieves, addicts, and, like, those who were on the fringes of society. So by the early 1900s, this area wasn't. Wasn't the best area to be in, but. But it was also, because it was close to the railroad tracks, it was also a place where a lot of the homes were being turned into boarding houses and people who would be coming into town would take up residence. So, again, history of this is, like, kind of hard to nail down, but sometime in the early 1900s, a woman named Eliza Gribble owned the Gribble house. And she was recently widowed. So she decided to turn her home into a boarding house in order to, like, make ends meet and, like, bring in. In her own income.
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Feel like that was kind of a common. Yes, it was like turning your home into some sort of establishment to make money while also, like, just surviving and raising your kids, if you had any.
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Exactly. Based on the descriptions, this house seemed to match the vibes of Frogtown. It was simple, with a shallow front porch, a walled yard out back, and the exterior had peeling paint and murky windows. There is a drawing, a rendering of this home or supposed rendering of the home online. But, y', all, this could be any house. I don't know. This is just what comes up when you search it. And I don't know that it looked like this at all, but it looks
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like a very typical colonial. Yes, traditional colonial build.
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Exactly. But to women who were looking for shelter during trying times, the Gribble house offered a safe place to live. And, like, I personally would much rather stay at a home. Boarding house owned by a woman. Yeah, right. Like that. If you're a woman, there's, like, a
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certain sense of safety.
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Totally. And before we talk about the horrors that took place on December 10, 1909, let's talk about the women who took up residency at the Gribble boarding house. Because at the time of the attack, I believe there were only three residents. The first is the owner. Eliza Gribble or Elizabeth.
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Eliza.
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Love it. Hamilton. At the center of all this was the owner of the Gribble house, Eliza Gribble, who was born Elizabeth Gribble. Actually, not Gribble. She was born Elizabeth in Cornwall, England, but moved to America with her husband sometime before the Civil War. Then they settled in Savannah, Georgia, and I tried to find more about her and her husband, but I couldn't. All I know is that by 1909, Eliza was a widow. She had crossed an ocean, built a life in a new country, survived the Civil War. And now, in her mid-60s, Eliza had to build something for herself to once again survive. That is why she turned her home into the Gribble House boarding house. And neighbors apparently knew Eliza well. She like, it wasn't unusual to walk past her house. This is so south, like Southern Georgia. But it wasn't unusual to pass by the house and see her sitting on the porch like. Sure. With like a lemonade.
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So nice. Yeah. So kind of a dream porch living.
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I've been watching Southern Charm, which is another Bravo show because I'm a Bravo
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girl now and douche Bravo head now.
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But there's it just the lifestyle down in Charleston and like the south, it is so different when it's like warm all year round. I feel like people are on their porches all the time and outside and I was just bedrotting watching it. And I was like, wow.
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I feel like a lot of people in the Northeast, like people used to say, oh, everyone goes to Florida to retire. And I feel like now it's kind of the Carolinas.
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I get it.
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Yeah. Because you get like a hint of season, less alligators. There's still a sprinkle of snow.
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Yeah.
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But you can golf most of the year and go on walks. Go outside.
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Yeah, I might need that.
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Are you moving already? You're going to take this couch with you.
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Just the couch.
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We'll saw it in half and then make it look like we're still together.
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Can we saw Sven in half too?
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He's already severed it. He's already lost just the wrong way.
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Yeah, go this way. Okay. But yeah. Eliza was a woman who kept to herself. She was just a woman trying to get by, but people knew of her. And then the second resident was a woman named Carrie Olander, who was Eliza's 36 year old daughter. And Carrie had recently separated from her husband, so she decided to move back with her mother until she could figure out what to do next. That alone at the time was really unheard of. So she was going through a difficult time. A woman separating from her husband, the scandal.
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Gasp.
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She was.
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I'm glad that she got to move home, you know.
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Agree sometimes people are exiled. She was also partially deaf, which is a detail that comes in a little bit later, kinda. But. The third resident of the Gribble house at the time was a woman named Maggie Hunter. And Maggie was in a very similar situation to Carrie. She was just 34 years old and was leaving her third husband, a man named J.C. hunter, who is 30 years older than her. I have a lot to say about that, but we'll get there. On December 9, 1909, apparently. And this part of the story is a little bit unclear. Some people say that she moved into the house, like, the day before the attack. Others say it was, like, a period of time before that. But Anyway, just before December 10th, which is when the murders happened, Maggie Hunter packed up her belongings and left her husband of five years. She wanted to start fresh, and she planned to support herself by becoming a seamstress. And apparently, she had a friend or multiple friends who were very in support of this move and, like, even helped her pay for her boarding at this boarding house. One of them specifically went by the name of Willie Walls. He paid for her first month's rent at the Gribble house, which I feel
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like says a lot about that marriage without having to say anything about it at all.
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Yes, but. So Maggie rented a room from Eliza Gribble. And on December 9, 1909, these three women were in the home. And none of them knew that this would be their last night on earth. December 10, 1909, was an ordinary Friday in Savannah, Georgia. The area of frogtown was busy as usual. People were going about their days. Nothing seemed out of place. Until a passing patrolman heard something. A scream. When he first heard it, he, like, paused. He questioned it, like, did I really hear that? It's a busy day. Like, did I mistake what I heard? But moments later, he hears a second, muffled scream. And so he starts to, like, turn in the direction of it to investigate, and he realizes it's coming from the Gripple house. He approached the home with caution and heard that faint groaning coming louder the closer he got. When he reached the front door of the Gribble house, he saw that the door was partially ajar. So he tried to push the door open a little bit further, but there was something blocking it. And when he looked, he realized it wasn't something. It was someone. Oh. The body of Maggie Hunter. She was bleeding out from her skull, but still alive, barely. The groaning and screaming he had heard was coming from Maggie.
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This is so horrible.
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Horrified, the man ran to the nearby drugstore for help and backup. And when police arrived, they were met with what newspapers that evening called the most diabolical crime in the history of Savannah. And keep in mind, Savannah had seen so much bloodshed and so much murder and death. So for this to be called the most diabolical crime in the history of Savannah, you know, it's a big deal.
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Yes.
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At the front door, Maggie Hunter was found with her skull crushed and her throat slit. Yet somehow, impossibly, she was still breathing. Fighting to stay alive. She was rushed to get medical attention. But the police continued into the home and found in the hallway they found 36 year old Carrie Olander dead. Her throat had been slit and her skull cracked, crushed. Then in the back bedroom, police found Eliza Gribble's body. One paper said she was 73, but then went on, went on her, like, find a grave. It said she was anywhere between 64 and 68 years old, so somewhere between the 60s and 70s. But she had been struck multiple times in the back of her head and was sitting in her chair. Her newspaper and reading glasses had fallen by her feet. So it was very clear she had never seen the intruder coming. And she was just sitting in her chair reading her paper when she was attacked.
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I hate this. And then it kind of reminds me of like the Ted Bundy sorority murders where he just like enters the home and kills who he can.
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Yeah. So people believe that Eliza Gribble was actually killed first and that maybe Carrie, her daughter, had like come downstairs to like, see what was going on. But because she was like hard of hearing, she, like, didn't really know where it was coming from. And then she was attacked in the hallway. And then Maggie, who was found by the door, was attacked last. The police also discovered the murder weapon that had been left at the scene of the crime. A bloody axe. This crime scene was so horrific and unlike anything people of Savannah had seen before. And I. And I think it's because it's three women.
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Well, and they're at a boarding house. Like, they're not related to one another. So it's like, who was the target? Was anyone? The target was this. Just like, I'm gonna go in here and murder everyone. Or was one person's supposed to be the victim and there were just other casualties?
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That's what they wanted to find out. Three women brutally axed. And the crime scene was discovered early enough in the day on December 10, 1909, that the story was printed on the front page of the evening's paper. Wow. And the people of Savannah were outraged.
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Yeah.
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By that night, people were gathering in mobs on a witch hunt for the perpetrator. And sadly, because it's 1909 in Savannah, Georgia, the Moet folk immediately assumed a black man was responsible for the crime. And 150 black men were rounded up and interrogated for the crime. As you can imagine, it got so ugly. And I found an article published in Colorado.
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Were all the women white?
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Yeah, they were looking for a reason to incite like, race wars.
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Yeah.
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I found an article published in Colorado the day after the murders happened to or three days after. So December 13th. And the headline of the article said, race war brewing Savannah in uproar over crime committed by a Negro. Like, that's what it said. And had it not been for Maggie Hunter still being barely alive, it is likely that an innocent man or multiple men would have been convicted for this crime.
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Yeah.
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But Maggie Hunter was still somehow miraculously alive or fighting for her life. She was slipping in and out of consciousness, and doctors were not confident she was going to survive the first night. But for three days, Maggie held on, her condition deteriorating with each passing day. But Maggie found the energy to speak out because she had seen her attacker. She knew who her attacker was.
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Oh, she could actually identify him, like, personally known to her.
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Who do you think it was?
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Her ex. Husband. Yeah.
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Or husband still. But. Yeah. So a pastor came.
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So he. She'd only been living there for one day before he came.
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That's what one report said. But she had not been living there long.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Which says a lot because it's like she had just left him.
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And also like the fact that she was getting so much support from friends who were literally funding and doing whatever they could to help her escape. Yeah. I'm not surprised, but it's really unfortunate to not be prized by this.
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It gets messy. Messier than this. So she's barely hanging on, and she. A pastor comes to visit her, and she opens her eyes like she's slipping in and out of consciousness, and she looks at the pastor and tells him that the person who attacked her, the person who had murdered Eliza and Carrie, was her husband, J.C. hunter. Happy mental Health Awareness Month.
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Although this is giving a little bit of Lizzie Borden with the whole, like, bloody rags and different evidence, and it's like.
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Well, I'll say it up front. I have no doubt that this man did it.
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Oh, yeah, no, this one makes total sense.
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But justice won't be served the way that I want it to be. So J.C. hunter proclaimed innocence, so police had to consider other suspects as well. And they were doing an investigation, talking to witnesses.
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So just. If you say you're innocent, you're. You're good.
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Yeah. If you have bloody rags in your. But it's also. There's no DNA testing. It's the 1909. Like, yeah, he probably had some, like, B.S. like, reason why he had bloody rags.
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Yeah, my allergies.
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I took Zyrtec and I started having nosebleeds. That's a me problem. So police had other suspects that they were looking into, and by December 14th. So four days after the murders of 1909, they had three suspects in custody. And I'm going to talk about the main three. There are a couple more that they consider. But, like, these were the main ones, and these are the ones that were printed in the newspaper. This is the newspaper article.
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Oh, God. The way that it's, like, smeared in print, the scan of it makes it look so creepy. Very creepy.
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Yeah.
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Non. Human.
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Okay, well, the three main suspects were Willie Walls, the one who had paid for Maggie's stay at the boarding house, W.H. coleman, and of course, J.C. hunter. So we'll start with Willie Walls, who was a good friend of Maggie's. Possibly more than just a friend.
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I was just gonna say, my prediction is that he set her up here, thought that now that he helped her out, he got a free pass to her Jemima, she said no, and he got mad and murdered her.
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So that's maybe one working theory, but he admitted to police that he had tried to visit Maggie the day of the murders, but swore he had nothing to do with the attacks. So I think basically the evidence was that he paid for her boarding house, and then he knew her location. Knew her location. And he was like. There was, like, a witness who came forward saying, like, Willie Walls was going to see Maggie that day. So it was like, did he end up seeing her and killing her?
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Yeah.
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But there was no evidence to connect him to the crimes. And despite that, people were very suspicious or police were very suspicious of his relationship with Maggie. Which is fair, I agree.
B
Yeah. But also, like, if he's totally innocent and truly just like a good guy that's helping out a friend. That's so unfortunate, too.
A
It is. But police gotta do their due diligence.
B
Right? Like, you shouldn't be too mad. Cause you're like, well, yeah, good. I hope that you look at every suspect like this to find my friend's murderer.
A
And he was very cooperative. So they're suspicious of him, but they don't have any evidence. Then there's W.H. coleman, who was truly a wrong place, wrong time situation. I guess a streetcar conductor reported him to police because he boarded a trolley shortly after the murders took place in that area. Like, right by the house. And I guess, like, he must have been acting strange or something. And the conductor was like, there was a man who boarded my trolley at this time, and he must have known who he was. And they thought maybe he went to the house to rob the women. Like, was that the motive that leads,
B
or did he see or hear something and he was in shock?
A
Not that he told the police.
B
Okay. She's an eccentric guy.
A
Then there was JC Hunter, Maggie's estranged husband, who Maggie herself claimed was the one who attacked her, and the same person that police found bloody evidence inside his home.
B
I think there was a witness who saw him outside of the house earlier that morning. Yep.
A
Let's talk about him some more, because as if there weren't already enough red flags, I'll give you more. So his real name was actually David L. Taylor. He was a Civil War veteran who, after the war, turned to crime. He was convicted twice, Once for stealing a horse and. And another time for bigamy, which is marrying someone while still married to someone else says a lot about his character.
B
Yeah. Stealing a horse is basically grand theft auto those days too. So, like, that's a very serious, funny
A
way to think about it. Wow.
B
Did I change your perspective a little bit? Yeah, you're stealing someone's entire.
A
That is grand the moment.
B
Transportation.
A
And so as David L. Taylor, that was his original name, he spent some time in prison, and when he was released, he changed his name so as to, like, try to leave that part of his life behind him.
B
Sneaky little bitch.
A
Very. And then he married Maggie. He was 30 years older than her, and this is so gross. Because Maggie was so much younger and looked so much younger. He used to joke that she was his daughter.
B
Sick.
A
When he was married to her, she was his wife.
B
Freaking gross.
A
It's so sick.
B
I hate that so much.
A
Like, that's not some. That's just not. We just know. No, there's just no reason for that. I wrote.
B
That is sick.
A
I wrote Freud would have so much to say about that.
B
Oh, my gosh. Freud. But Freud is kind of fucked up, right?
A
Sure. But I think a lot of therapists are also kind of fucked up.
B
Yeah. Freud loves his mommy a little too much.
A
Little Oedipus situation there. Okay. Lots of red flags. And then, by all accounts, their marriage, Maggie and J.C. hunter's marriage was deeply unhappy. Like, multiple people reported that it was not a happy marriage. And also, we can tell it's not a happy marriage because after five years together, Maggie decided to pack up her things and leave.
B
Yeah.
A
So at first, Hunter denied seeing Maggie the day of the murders, and then all of a sudden, he changed his story and was like, ah, yes, yes, yes, I did actually visit her in the morning of the murders because I just wanted to check in. And no, he. He. This is the whole story he gave.
B
Check in or try to intimidate your ex by saying, I know where you live.
A
Well, then murder her. Here's his story, which is bullshit. But he says that he had recently bought Maggie a sewing machine because Maggie told him that she would leave him alone if he bought her a sewing machine, which implies that he wanted her to leave him alone.
B
But she's the one moving out and finding different housing away from him.
A
Right. So anyway, he says he bought her this sewing machine because, like he said, she said if he bought this for her, she would leave him alone. But then he says he was going to check in on her to see how she liked her sewing machine. But why would you check in on someone you bought something for? So they would stay talking to you,
B
don't talk to you. If I could just get this guy between my thighs, I'm telling you, lights out.
A
If that's the case, why would he go and check on her? Not only that, multiple people came forward with personal statements that proved Hunter was lying because he's. Now he changes his story, saying that he did see her the morning of the murders to check in on her, but multiple people come forward and say that's not possible because Maggie had plans and did things with other people that morning. First she got breakfast with her sister and then actually went and stopped by three houses in the neighborhood, trying to sell some cloth to make money.
B
Also, there are other people living in this house. Like if he. Yeah, fishy story. He's the murderer.
A
Yes. On top of that, multiple witnesses came forward to claim that Hunter had. Had threatened to kill Maggie multiple times prior to the murders. So you would think with all of this evidence, like, it feels so black and white to me. There's no gray area. Like, this is our guy. You would think, yeah.
B
Like that would be. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than to have some guy who has all of these red flags and all of these things lining up and then someone else randomly comes in and murders your ex wife.
A
No. So you would think, yeah, they have their guy. Right. But police wanted to really be sure, so they decided to run some tests. So at this point, they had these three men in custody. And because they had the men in custody, they had not heard that Maggie died. So they decided to take their main suspects. And I'll specifically focus on J.C. hunter and Willie Walls, because those were like, their main suspects. They decided to take these two men down to the morgue to show them Maggie's body and see how they acted because they were so certain that no murderer could be in the same room as their victim and see their dead victim and not confess.
B
Interesting. Very wrong, given how some murderers like to go back and visit the dead bodies and get to the point, in
A
1909, they're still learning. They bring J.C. hunter in first, who he, according to them, appears genuinely surprised that Maggie had died. And he looks up to the police and is like, when did she die? And he was reported to have gone back to his cell sobbing without uttering another word. So they're like, okay, well, based on our theory, he's not the killer.
B
Right.
A
But then they bring in Willie Walls to see Maggie's body. And again, he had no knowledge that she had died. And upon seeing her body, he, like, sinks into a chair next to her, very somber, and takes her hand into his and basically, like, really sadly is like, I'm so sorry. You were such a good friend to me. Like, I love you. It was intimate, heartbreaking. And he too, went back to his cell in tears. So now police are like, well, shit, that theory didn't really play out as we thought it would.
B
Right? No. One of the guys, like, doesn't even know her. He was just. Wrong place.
A
Yeah. I don't think they brought him to see the body because I think at that point they kind of ruled him out.
B
Oh, okay. Okay.
A
Yeah.
B
So it was just two, not the. Not the three.
A
So they didn't really learn anything from their test. 1909 investigative tools weren't quite what they are today, so they decide to run another test. And this test required bringing the suspects back to the scene of the crime. And this is the first ghost setting ever reported in the house.
B
Oh, my God. Is she going to Zona he her shoe.
A
This situation, it's not how you expect. I teased it already. So, allegedly, police brought the suspects back into the Gribble house, and they had put cloth over the windows to make it really dark inside. They. They kind of created a haunted house. They reconstructed the scene of the murders by placing three wax figures on the floor and dressed them into similar outfits that the women had been wearing at the time of their deaths or their murders, and then covered them in animals blood. Jeez. The suspects were said to have been brought into the house one by one, and again, police wanted to see how they reacted. And as they brought one of the suspects in, all of a sudden, a ghostly apparition appeared. Except it wasn't a real ghost. It was an actor hired by police to pretend to be a ghost to elicit a reaction.
B
Oh, my God. How? Like, what is the job posting for that?
A
Is that not amazing?
B
It's so cool.
A
Crazy.
B
Brilliant.
A
Very creative tactic.
B
It's like one of those guys were theater majors before they had to go into law enforcement.
A
I mean, they put a lot of effort to recreate.
B
Yeah. This crime scene. This is a play.
A
This is a play. It's an immersive theater experience.
B
It's almost like they're actors pretending to be detectives writing their own, like, investigative crime show.
A
I know, and I have to say, this is one of my favorite details of the entire story, but I only found it on, like, one source, so I don't care. We accept I couldn't verify it 100%.
B
If this were the newsroom, it wouldn't get through.
A
Exactly. But I'm I'm telling you that I can't verify it, but I'm sharing it with you because it's such an incredible detail that even if it's been, like, added into the story or the tours over the years. Great dramatics. Again, whether it's true or not, police still don't have the response that they wanted or thought they were going to get from their suspects. Ultimately, police do focus on JC Hunter because the evidence really was piling up against him. So, again, in the days following the crime, not only did Maggie say He was the attacker. Not only did the police find bloody evidence in his home, but there was other information that came forward. Even though those two things alone. And granted, I'm not an investigator, probably for a good reason, but those two things alone, I'm like, lock em up,
B
but we don't need to hear anymore.
A
But okay. The other pieces of information. Hunter lied about seeing Maggie the morning of the murder. And his cane was found inside the home at the crime scene, which he claimed was because he had visited, just visited to check in and left it behind. Sm.
B
This is an interesting detail, him having a cane. Why did he need one? What was his mobility and physical.
A
I think. I mean, enough to murder three people?
B
Well, that's what I was just wondering.
A
Yeah, it was an accessory, not a. I don't know. I'm making that up, but I. I feel like canes were accessories. Like, if you're going to a fancy event.
B
Yeah, yeah. And your cigar.
A
Yeah. The third thing is that it was learned that Hunter had actually done some work inside the home, like years prior. Some type of, like, construction work. So he knew the in, like, the ins and outs of the house, the layout. And then there were multiple people who had come forward saying that they knew Hunter had made multiple threats to kill Maggie prior to the murder. So finally, eight months after the murders, on August 17, 1910, a jury found J.C. hunter guilty of murder and was sentenced to death by hanging. But if you think that that means justice was served, it was not. Because he continues to claim he's innocent. And on December 22, 1911, the day before his execution was set to happen, he asked to be baptized. And the same pastor who sat by Maggie as she was dying, the same pastor that Maggie told who her killer was or her attacker was that pastor. That same pastor goes to see J.C. hunter the day before his set execution. And despite being the one who heard Maggie verbatim say her attacker, the murderer, was J.C. hunter, this pastor thought that Hunter was innocent. So much so that I guess he had spoken to the governor and was able to get J.C. hunter's sentencing reduced to life in prison rather than him being executed.
B
Were they like, in a secret romance? Like, what is the motive here?
A
Toxic masculinity? I don't know.
B
I mean, can you go to hell for helping a murderer almost go free?
A
Honestly, I feel like hell is spirits of women like you and me who just attack the terrible people on the paranormal plane.
B
Dude, I freaking like, when I'm a ghost, that's a show I'd watch that would Be great.
A
Like Spider man of.
B
There's a spirit guy who made a TikTok. Of course, I don't remember his name or many of the details, but he basically did like a reenactment of someone going to hell and Satan being like, this is what we have here. You're going to witness this. And it's like, oh, we have that up there. It's like, okay. And it's just like, listing the most atrocious, horrific, like, violent things. And it's like, got that on earth. Yeah, it's happening right now. We already. It's a big thing. No one's doing anything about it.
A
I like that concept.
B
Yeah. And Satan's like, jesus, life is a little. Maybe you all need Jesus.
A
Wwjd
B
someone yesterday that was like, do you think that Jesus ever looks at Earth and considers coming back, but then sees how many people have crosses everywhere? And it's like, well, I'm not going back there. These people love that shit. I'm not religious, but I enjoy religious jokes.
A
Yes, me too. Okay, so this man now is. His sentencing is reduced to life in prison. But then on October 27, 1923, Hunter was pardoned and released. Pardoned? Why? Doesn't that mean, like, all crimes were, like, dropped?
B
Yeah, like, the president's like, oh, it's okay.
A
So does that mean that it's like a cold case now or. It's like, he did do it and.
B
And they just decided that all good.
A
You killed three women, but you can
B
live in the world, forgive you change your identity again and go off and do your thing. So, yeah, like, what was the reason for being pardoned?
A
I have no idea. And it did happen, like some, what, 17 years later, but still crazy. Apparently, during the time that he was in prison, Another man named J.C. garvin walked into the police station eight years after the murders took place. And he confessed to committing the murders along with an accomplice. And he apparently had knowledge of, like, the layout of the house and details that, like, weren't publicly released. But by the end of it, they were like, this is like ramblings of a mad person. Like he.
B
Yeah. And enough. You can read enough that, like, you probably. Yeah, yeah.
A
So in a way, justice was never really served.
B
Okay, but when. When the Hunter guy gets out, is he like in his 80s, mid-80s, then?
A
I don't know.
B
Cause if he was 30 years older and she was what, 36 when she died?
A
34. Yeah.
B
Or 34.
A
So she. Yeah, probably 80 something.
B
And it was 17 years after I
A
Don't know what happened to him. He died. And the story is not about him anymore. So almost immediately after the murders, hauntings do begin. Like non paid actor hauntings. All three women, Eliza Gribble, Carrie Olander and Maggie Hunter, were buried at Laurel Grove Cemetery. But this is, like, very sad. Like you wouldn't know where their graves are. Oh, why, I tried to look them all up on find a grave. I could only find Eliza's grave. And it's a flat stone in the grass with the number 91 on it.
B
Why? They know who it is.
A
Like, it might have been. No one could pay for it. Her daughter died too. I don't know. But I couldn't find what Carrie or Maggie's graves looked like either.
B
That's such a bummer.
A
It's sad. And as we've discussed, this horrific crime scene really, really shook the city of Savannah. So much so that it almost led to a race war. Although I think they were looking for any reason to incite one. But it was so callous and bloody, they hadn't seen anything like it. And that's really saying something given Savannah's gruesome history. Despite this public reaction, despite how much it, like, shook the city, just a couple weeks later, the Gribble house was open again as a boarding house.
B
Who was running it?
A
I don't know.
B
Just some other random person went into the. Cleaned up the blood and was like, here we go.
A
People moved back in, paid their rent, lived and slept in the very rooms that those three innocent women had been murdered in. And almost immediately, hauntings began again. Like I said, this time, real ghosts, not hired actors. Tenants who rented the rooms after the murders reported blood stains appearing on the walls. Like, even if they would clean it, they would reappear. And misty apparitions wandering through the halls. And this happened constantly in the same spots. And like the news of the hauntings were spreading through the city. Like, everyone was hearing these stories. There was even a newspaper article some 60 years after the murders took place in 1975, where a journalist spoke with a woman named Mrs. Monzes who had grown up near the house. And she remembers growing up listening to her mother and grandmother talking about stories of the ghosts at the Gribble house that they had seen with their own eyes.
B
Yeah, it's like one of those things where I'm like, are the spirits the women who were murdered or. Because such a horrific thing happened here, did it just kind of like open up a portal for other things to come in and stay?
A
Well, I do think that's why it's important to remember the history of savannah, which is already a super haunted place and saw so much bloodshed over the years that I think savannah is a portal already. So true. Did this murder happen and there's just, like, a loop, Like a residual haunting that's still living there?
B
Yeah. It kind of makes it hard to identify.
A
Yes.
B
Spirits.
A
And so we'll talk about. Cause there are more now, and we'll talk about that, but. So the house, over time, fell into further disrepair. Like it was already kind of falling apart back in 1909. And despite people continuing to live in it, the home was not well maintained. So in 1941, the decision was made to demolish the building and a couple of surrounding buildings in the area to build something new, A warehouse. And at first, it served as an automotive center, like a service center. Then it became a car barn for old town trolley tours. But try as you might to get rid of an old haunted building, those spirits are going to continue to show up. And that is exactly what happened here. From the very first day, the warehouse seemed to be occupied by some otherworldly residents. One person described seeing a massive black mass emerge from between two parked trolley cars. And then, poof. It disappeared. And there is a video of this, but I think it's a recreation that was made for ghost adventures, so I'm not going to show it.
B
Yeah.
A
But the person does talk about the experience on ghost adventures.
B
Okay.
A
People would hear voices when they were alone. Unexplained cold spots, the feeling of being watched, Shadows. People got headaches. There were orbs. People were touched, pushed. And once again, those mysterious red stains continued to appear. It was undeniably haunted. And once again, locals began to talk. And everyone seemed to believe that these hauntings were all connected to the gribble house that stood where the warehouse now stood.
B
And this is like, decades after. Yeah. Yeah.
A
Wow. So, naturally, paranormal investigators wanted to see what is up, and they decided to investigate. And they found so much paranormal activity that they. They were like, you know what? Instead of just investigating it, let's actually buy this warehouse up and dedicate it to paranormal investigations.
B
That's kind of cool. It's both cool. But then also, I'm like, it's the same thing that we have talked about before, where we, like, we love when there's a place set up where you recognize that it's haunted, and it gives access to people like us who want to go investigate, but then you also open it up to people who are taking advantage of the situation and maybe not approaching the spirits in the nicest of ways.
A
Definitely. And when I googled it, it said permanently closed. So I don't know what the status is right now. Oh, interesting, because it was owned by a paranormal experience agency for years. But yeah, I don't know, it did say Google said permanently closed. Maybe we can buy it.
B
All of us together.
A
Let's go in. So despite the unknown status of it right now, it was open as a paranormal experience for many, many years. And over time, they discovered it wasn't just haunted by the residual energy or the spirits of the women who were murdered in the Gribble house, but actually haunted by upwards of 20 to 30 different spirits.
B
That is so many.
A
We've talked about this before, but as we get older, I feel like sometimes makeup is working against our skin, which is why we both have been trying organic makeup that works more like skincare. And we love og.
B
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A
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B
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A
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B
And Ollie gets it. Because if anyone gets being dog obsessed, it's Ollie. They are relentless about delivering the best food and experience for your dog and for you. And they give you a way to check in on their health over and over again.
A
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B
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B
stir up some activity.
A
Right. And then there's like the history of these other homes that we don't know and aren't familiar with that are contributing to the hauntings. This was a 15,000 square foot warehouse. So it's big dang. It's located at 234 Martin Luther King boulevard. And like I said, it's been investigated by so many, including ghost adventures. If you want to watch, it's season 10, episode 11. And they also investigate the sorrel weed house, which is like, infamously haunted in Savannah. But everyone seems to agree this warehouse where the Gribble house once stood is one of the most haunted areas and haunted buildings in Savannah. So let's start with the haunting connected to the Gribble house. The three women, Eliza, Carrie, and Maggie. And it's not clear. I mean, this is the hard thing with the paranormal is like, you can't definitively say, ah, yes, that is the spirit of Eliza. Right. But people have heard a woman crying, and it's loud enough for people to stop and like, literally think it's someone on the tour for the investigation with them. Wow. People have also caught EVPs of voices saying, help us. I know. Which I really hope it's just residual. But like, the help us could be a residual cry from Maggie as she was like, bleeding out.
B
Yeah.
A
Calling for help because that's how a patrolman heard or, like, found the crime scene. And then there is that blood red stain that continues to appear on walls and in the floor of the warehouse in. And this is, like, specifically in the area that was once the Gribble house. So everyone attributes that to the house. And granted, that was a haunting that was also claimed before the house was ever demolished. Then there is a lady in white who is often seen standing in one of the corners of the warehouse. And no one knows who she is. And apparently she doesn't look like any of the three women who were murdered. But I could not find photos of those women anywhere. Granted, like, I didn't go to, like, Savannah History archive in person to find them, but.
B
And it's like, I don't think people were frequently photographed, like, the. The time period in which it was. It's like, yeah, even the photos of
A
the suspects are, like, super blurry and not clear. Yeah, but this woman just stands there. She doesn't move. She doesn't interact with people. Like, she just stands in the corner. Doesn't really seem to acknowledge the presence of humans or living beings. There are many other hauntings. There's a child named Timothy. Like, so many people who have investigated this warehouse have caught evps of a child saying the name Timothy. No one really knows who he is or why he's there or why he keeps showing up. But one thing is for sure, he loves to let people know his name is Timothy.
B
Timothy.
A
Timothy. Then one of the most common and actually heavy hauntings in this warehouse has absolutely nothing to do with the Gribble house. So one other building that was demolished in order for the warehouse to be built was apparently. Again, this is like, there's no, like, document that I have to prove. It was apparently used as slave quarters in history. And this area of the warehouse is especially active and heavy. And the hauntings, like, very. It almost feels like there are multiple spirits here haunting, because some voices will say, get out. People will report being touched or pushed. In the Ghost Adventures episode, there's a man who used to work at the warehouse, and he reported that hauntings there were very different, but he tried to stay away from that area because he felt like there were racist spirits.
B
Well, I mean, oh, it's so upsetting that. Because I feel like the thought is, when you cross over to the other side, there's going to be some sort of, like, enlightenment or enlightenment. And I just hate the idea that someone can be still so.
A
Well, isn't that the. The other theory is that if you're stuck here as a ghost, you're kind of stuck in purgatory and like, haven't released your baggage, so you haven't been able to be enlightened. I don't know.
B
Don't be racist bigot in any.
A
In life or in the paranormal. Yeah, just stop. But yeah, so this guy said that, like, there would be racist spirits and like racist energy towards him, but then there were also other. It almost felt like a motherly spirit there as well, like caring. Like people would feel like their hairbrush or like just gentle touch. But then on the opposite end of the spectrum was like aggressive pushes and voices yelling, get out. And of course, it wouldn't be Savannah without a couple of soldier ghosts as well. I found a post on Reddit From August of 2013 who. They went and visited the Gribble house. They went in as a skeptic. And then I guess towards the end of the investigation, they were alone in a corner of the warehouse when through whatever spirit box or tool they were given for the investigation, they start communicating with a spirit who said that they were a soldier. And this guy being like, I don't really know if I buy this. Like, come closer to me, like, step closer. And almost instantly this guy describes feeling as if something went through him, like an energy truly passed through him as he asked the spirit to step closer.
B
So they're active, they're intelligent, they're actually interacting with what is being said. Yeah, it's not just like a residual.
A
I mean, some are residual.
B
Yeah.
A
But like this type of spirit, the soldier, something's there. Yeah.
B
Well, I just feel like so many soldier stories are residual where it's like you're seeing them march or you're seeing them. It's like they don't even notice that you're there.
A
Or it's a glitch in the Matrix or glitch in the timelines and they like, get confused and like they're in the middle of battle in their timeline. All of a sudden they're like in a beautiful park that you're strolling on the weekend, trying to go feed the ducks.
B
Right. They're like, who is this bitch? Excuse me, French braids with her braces and Paul Frank monkey shirt.
A
Are you taking from a time in your life?
B
Yeah, yeah, that was me when I was nine.
A
But yeah. So that user from Reddit left that night being a full believer in the paranormal. That is the tragic murder and haunting history of the Gripple House that is now a very haunted warehouse. That questionably you could go visit now, but Google says it's permanently closed.
B
Being called a warehouse keeps tripping me up. Because it was, like, open for other people to investigate. I know. Like a warehouse. I think of, like, Amazon Lumber or, like, Amazon. Yeah. Like, something being kept there. Not just like.
A
Well, it used to be. It used to be, like, an automate automotive service center. So, like, it used to be.
B
But they still call it the warehouse.
A
I know. Well, some people still call it the Gribble House. And I'm like, well, it's not the Gribble House anymore. Even when we were like. Because we're researching so many episodes right now, even when we were preparing to go record this episode, it's like, what is my topic? I forget. And you're like, oh, it's some house. I'm like, I don't think it's a house. Because it's like.
B
Because now it's to be. It's a warehouse.
A
It's a warehouse. But, yeah. Tragic.
B
That is very tragic. I feel so horrible for those women.
A
I do really hope that kind of
B
pissed that that guy got off.
A
No, I'm very pissed about that fucking JC Hunter. If I find you on the other side when I'm over there, I can't thigh crush, but I can poke your eyes out.
B
She can drop on all fours, moo like a cow and.
A
And bite off your wean.
B
That's true.
A
That's say goodbye.
B
That's Sabrina's ammo.
A
Okay, I have.
B
She's the ween biter.
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I have a request. I hate when people say they're being a weenie. Like a P. Like, I hate saying it.
B
OP, U, S, S, Y.
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Like, I hate.
B
I don't like that word either.
A
I hate One, it's also, like, such a. One, it's such a condescending, like, horrible insult because it's implying that, like, a pussy is, like, a negative thing. And two, it's so wrong because the pussy actually is, like, the strongest thing. And it, like, is so adaptable and deals with literal poundings and stretching and, like, birthing children.
B
Yes.
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Whereas the testicles are the most, like, pathetic, sensitive little thing. So my request is that instead of calling people a pussy, we call them a testicle. Stop being a testicle.
B
You all you testees out there, you're
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being such a testicle right now.
B
I actually remember the first time I ever learned what, like, pussy meant in a derogatory sense.
A
Yeah.
B
And it was when I was at the movies with some of my guy friends. I was, like, 12 yeah, I went and saw Mr. And Mrs. Smith and they're like arguing on the rooftop.
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Yeah.
B
And then one of them calls the other one pussy. All the guys are snickering and I was like, I don't get it. And they had to explain it to me and I was so embarrassed.
A
Well, it's also just like mean. And it's wrong. Like it's factually inaccurate.
B
Yeah.
A
Scientifically wrong.
B
There's a lot that's even religiously wrong. Like.
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Yes, agreed.
B
Everything is wrong. And now we get to listen to EVPs.
A
To me. Oh, there's actual EVPs.
B
There's a lot of them.
A
Wait, I'm excited.
B
Okay. This is from Yvonne. And Yvonne puts F32. Like it's like a forum. Like female 32.
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Like Reddit.
B
Yeah. Okay. My name is Yvonne and I've experienced a few different encounters over the years. From things like seeing a lady that lived in my best friend's old parents house 20 years ago to just a couple years ago seeing my dad after he passed. I also talked to my dead sister when I was younger. But this story is about a paranormal investigation I did in Savannah, Georgia in 2013. And I wasn't thinking anything would actually happen. So the week of St. Patrick's Day, 2013, myself, my mom, my brother and a couple of my mom's friends and my roommates at the time decide that we're going to go check out Savannah for the holiday because they normally have really fun things going on.
A
Don't tell Corinne you didn't invite her. She will never forget.
B
I'm really good at holding grudges. My dad once ate my key lime pie that I waited like 45 minutes for. Never forget.
A
I remember that story. And I can see I like, physically your demeanor has changed when you die.
B
Like my shoulders have increased. I am feeling the stress.
A
That's repressed trauma.
B
How do you not know the difference between your plain cheesecake that you ordered and a key lime pie?
A
I feel like this is physical evidence of the body keeps the score.
B
Oh my God. And then I didn't get another one because we were. Okay, whatever. I'm over it. My dad's in Key West. If he doesn't bring me a frickin key lime pie fresh, I'm gonna be pissed forever more than I already am.
A
When we were in Florida, someone bought an entire key lime pie for you.
B
Yeah, I know.
A
That was very nice.
B
Keep it coming, guys. Yeah, because everyone has to make up for Bill Vienne's single mistake in this life. That's when you know you have a good dad. When you're like, traumatic event is meeting your key life.
A
Yes. I wish that was mine.
B
I'm sorry. And also, one time when I was, like, six, we were on one of those, like, fake submarine things at, like, Disney World or one of those places. And I was looking out the window, and then I backed up to go sit on one of the chairs, but it was a metal one that the seat folds back up. And I went to sit without looking, and I fell on the ground, and he pointed and laughed at me. I will never forget that either.
A
I probably would have done that, too.
B
No, not okay, Dad. I remember these things
A
again. In the grand scheme of things. Great things to be mad about.
B
Atrocious fatherly baby.
A
Okay.
B
Anyway, so I've been into the paranormal, and I was super excited because if you know anything about Savannah, you'll know that it's very haunted because of its history. We went on a few walking tours, and we learned the history, but nothing super spooky happened, at least during the day. So my mom was looking online, and she booked my roommate and I. A ghost tour slash paranormal experience at the Gribble house. Because it was some 16 years ago or so. The history of it is a little bit foggy to me.
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Don't worry. I got it covered.
B
But here's my experience. Like I said, my mom booked us this experience, and we went into it with an open mind but also not expecting to experience anything. We walked in, and they asked us before we walked in to not say our names at all and to just give them the booking number so that they can see our reservation.
A
Not say your names? Why?
B
I don't know. Maybe for, like, evidence collection.
A
To not let the ghosts know your names, I guess.
B
So we got started, and I want to say we had three groups of five people in the warehouse. They had different spots set up with different kinds of interactive paranormal equipment, but every spot had a spirit box for collecting EVPs. Our group started in the middle of the warehouse with a bear that if you touched it, it would light up.
A
Well, it's kind of like a REM pod. I feel like it's a customized REM pod.
B
It looks like a bear.
A
Yeah.
B
Interesting. So we asked a few questions, and we're getting some responses. And I do have a whole folder of EVPs that I've sent you, which we'll play at the end, because there's a bunch of little ones.
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See, this is. We want you to send your. Invest your evidence.
B
Send us everything, please. So the Investigator says, who was the president? The spirit responds, democrat. So we weren't trying to ask super complicated questions or anything. We were just trying to get some accurate answers. So the investigator asks, what's your name? And the spirit says, husband. And in my notes, I wrote that this was taken in the Gribble House area, which is in the center of the warehouse.
A
And Maggie's husband is the killer.
B
I almost said was a Democrat. That's not true. But it's just the two answers the spirit gave.
A
Okay.
B
So then we went over to this creepy stairwell, and when I first walked in, I got this really bad sinking feeling that someone was watching me. I said something to my roommate, and she kind of just brushed me off and told me, just drink some water, which I did. And we continued talking to the spirit. But then I got this overwhelming sense of dread again. And that was even worse than when we first walked in. And then I heard a whisper and some pressure on my back, but I couldn't make out what it said. And I just jumped and turned around, thinking there was someone behind me. But there was no one. It was just a wall behind me. Oh. And then a voice came through the spirit box. It said, something's coming.
A
Oh, so unsettling.
B
The investigator said, something's coming. And I got so dizzy after that voice came out that I had to actually walk out of the building for a minute. So after about five or 10 minutes, I start to feel better. I decide, okay, I can go back in. And this is where it takes a bit of a turn. I meet back up with our group, and we're walking in to what the guide says used to be slave quarters. And I should also mention that I am mixed race. My mom is white. My dad is black, and my dad also is Native American. And everyone else in the group that we were with was white in the room. We had a few candles, and there were chairs sitting in a circle. Eight chairs total. And then the five of us, the guide, and then the rampad sat on one of the chairs, and then there was an empty chair next to it. So we sat in this half circle, all facing the REM pod, and everyone took turns sitting next to it. Nobody was getting any responses from the spirit box or any reaction from the REM pod. But then the guide is telling us the story about the history of the spirits that they've been contacting. And one of the main spirits there is named Tom. He's known to be a little bit funny, and he's known to mess with people. Now, of course, I was last to sit next to the REM pod. It lit up. It's going crazy. There are sounds coming through the spirit box, but nothing that we could understand because the REM pod was just so loud. So we even switched from me to a couple of other people. But every time I would sit next to the REM pod, it would light up and start beeping. So then we turned the REM pod off, and we asked the spirit a question. The investigator said, is your name Tom? And the spirit said, nate. And the investigator said, nate, who was here? And the spirit said, yvonne. It said my name.
A
Oh, my gosh.
B
I started getting dizzy again. I was feeling freezing. My back burned. And then I blacked out. No, the staff and my roommate said that I walked out to the front to get into a comfortable spot, but I was like a zombie. And then 10 minutes later, I remember coming to and being really confused about how I even got to the front. So they gave me some water and a snack, told me that I went completely white. And I honestly don't remember anything after it said my name until I came to. So with 10 minutes of that. Yeah, I've experienced things in the past, but nothing like this.
A
Oh, my gosh.
B
And then I was like, okay, well, I think I'm done. And the staff was like, yeah, you gotta be, because we're not letting you back in.
A
Do you get your money back if you get possessed at a paranormal investigation?
B
Yeah. What does the waiver say?
A
Yeah.
B
So my roommates and I head back to the hotel. I feel like I'm not even in my own body. I feel like this is worse than disassociating. I feel like I'm seeing myself from. And if you've seen get out like that Sunken place is the best way to put it.
A
Oh, geez.
B
So we got back to the hotel, and my mom was asking how it went, and we told her. And she put it down to just me being dramatic and kind of helped us trying to rationalize everything. She's laughing it off, not really thinking about it. And so now I'm trying to not really think about it. So I decided to hop in the shower and get ready for bed. Keep in mind, I was in a jacket when I had this experience, and I changed into a tank top to go to bed. I was about to turn out the lights when my roommate gasped. There were three big scratches down my shoulder.
A
Oh.
B
We took a picture of it, but I don't have that phone anymore, and my icloud doesn't go back that Far. So, unfortunately, I have lost that. I had the worst dreams that night. Very, very violent. I woke up panicking a few times, but then I would just walk around for a minute, calm myself down, go back to sleep, and then have another nightmare. And I still have nightmares about that place.
A
What the heck?
B
But, yeah, that's the end of my experience. I never really told many people, but listening to you ladies kind of brought that experience back up. And I even tried going back to the Gripple house, since I'm not too far from it, but it permanently closed a few years ago.
A
Okay, so there's the status update.
B
Yes, this is from Yvonne. And then we have an entire zip folder of EVPs.
A
Do we have the one that says Yvonne?
B
I mean, look, they're all labeled, so we'll try to listen to a few
A
because I'm so curious about, like, what entity came through.
B
We do have Yvonne. Okay. God. Okay.
A
Is your name Tom? Nate.
B
Nate.
A
Nate.
B
Who's here?
A
Yes, I'm here.
B
Okay. And then I'll play the one that says, something's coming. And then there's a few others.
A
We'll just play these.
B
The ones that we're coming.
A
Yeah. Oh, my God. That's so clear.
B
It's so.
A
It sounds like a.
B
It's really hard.
A
Male voice. Apparently people were hearing EVPs in episode 371. Which is.
B
Which one's that?
A
Harold Part one.
B
Oh, I don't want to hear that.
A
And it's. Before we even start talking about Harold.
B
What did they say?
A
Well, I don't. Like, people said they heard a man's voice. I tried re listening multiple times. I could not hear. Like, to me, I'm like, it could be you just breathing, but I don't know.
B
I don't know.
A
It's like, right as we're about to
B
transition, sometimes I feel like people hear EVPs and it's me, like, making a remark under my breath. Right, Whatever.
A
No, but, like, I hear you breathing. And people have said they heard that, but it's not that. So I don't know. Anyway, if you also, like, if you hear EVPs in our episodes, like, do a recording of it. You can do, like, a screen record and, like, screen send it to us
B
when people timestamp it. It's really hard because with ads, sometimes, like, not everyone gets the same ad. So, yeah, if you're like, it's at minute three and 36, it could be like, 407 for someone else.
A
Screen, record it and send it to us, and we'll compile those okay. But, yeah, someone heard a man's voice.
B
Oh, my God.
A
It's like, right as we're transitioning into talking about Harold.
B
Dang. Yeah, I just got the chills. Something's coming. Something's coming.
A
And something did come for Yvonne. That's so scary.
B
Yeah.
A
I love that Yvonne wanted to go back. Well, I am curious because, yes, it's permanently closed, but you could go set up outside in the parking lot of this place.
B
True. But it sounds like. I mean. Cause Yvonne went outside to collect herself multiple times. So it almost seems like outside is okay.
A
But how hungry are the spirits if it's been years since anyone's gone outside on your energy?
B
Yeah. Dang.
A
Could you imagine how sad as a spirit? Like, if. Especially if you're a very active spirit and if you're stuck because we don't know the rules, but if you're stuck in a place and you're used to tons and tons of people coming to visit you, like, you're excited.
B
Who do I get to chat with today?
A
Yeah.
B
And then all of a sudden, in the forecast, just silence. Just nothing.
A
How lonely would you be?
B
Well, it sounds like there's, like, 30 some spirits here, so.
A
That's true.
B
Maybe not super lonely, but maybe not the people that you want to be around.
A
But I think about, like, little Timothy, who was so excited to tell My name's Timothy, who was so excited. Yeah. I hope the spirits are all okay.
B
What a wild story.
A
That's the Gribble house in Savannah. One day we'll go back.
B
One day you'll go back, and I'll go. For my very first time, and you owe me a key lime pie.
A
When we're sitting, I'll get you a key lime pie. Now I know what your birthday gift this year is. I'm just gonna get.
B
There's no amount that will make me forget.
A
No, you can never forget. I'm trying to think if I have something, like, in my memory that's similar to that, and everything I hold on to is, like, way more intense and, like, nsfw. Like, if we're not. Not for this podcast.
B
Well, I hope one day someone steals your key and it will erase some of the other tragic memories.
A
I need some, like, new, better trauma. Actually, I will say I was. I used to run so much. Like, I was a marathon runner. And I think it was because it was so therapeutic for me. Like, it was my version of meditation. It was like, the one time where my brain was not just, like, completely absorbed in dark thoughts. But I don't like running as much anymore. And I think it's because I've healed. I don't need to go do long runs.
B
Right.
A
To clear my mind.
B
Well, that's great.
A
I know. I was, like, exciting.
B
I feel like it's not that good for you to be a marathon runner, right?
A
No, but after watching. I went to go watch the Boston Marathon and I cried. Like, I was just like, it's such a beautiful. I. It was my first time experiencing, like, marathon Monday in Boston and how alive the city becomes and watching these runners who are so incredibly fast, who are running speeds for two hours that I can hardly hold for 30 seconds.
B
And, oh, it's insane. Like, their bodies don't even look like they're working. Like, you know, they're working so hard, but you're like, how is your brain still connecting appropriately to your legs and, like, making you move forward like that?
A
It's insanity. But I was watching it, and I was like, I started the morning being like, next year, I really want to volunteer and, like, be a volunteer during the marathon. By the end, I was like, I want to run the Boston Marathon.
B
Oh, my God. Well, I'll say. One of the. One of my Boston Marathon Monday traditions was we would go out to eat in the North End, and it would just. The restaurants would be filled with the people who ran the marathon. Just gorgeous themselves.
A
So cute. Like, the next couple of days, everyone was walking around Newbury street in, like, Boston with their medals around their necks,
B
like, and you can tell who because most of them are limping. So you know who ran.
A
Yeah, it was very, very special. And then I ran a couple times this week, and I was like, you know, I think, like, the three to five mile range is where I'm gonna start.
B
That's wonderfully healthy.
A
Yeah. Maybe one day I'll run another marathon, but could do a hack. I need someone to eat my key lime pie first. Then I'll really take out the rage.
B
Oh, man, so dramatic.
A
Well, thank you, everyone for joining us. If you have paranormal experiences, if you hear EVPs in our podcast, please send them to us. Email everything to 2girls1ghost podcastmail.com but also if you want episodes one week early and ad free, you can join us over on Patreon. We also have bonus content and weekly campfire stories where you can come share your ghost story with us live. We have book club. We have witch class. So much more. So join us over there. You can Watch us on YouTube, rate and review us on itunes, tell all your friends about us, and you know, build the pyramid scheme.
B
Thank you to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces this podcast. And thank you to all of you for coming back every week and sending us your hauntings. We love you and we will see you on the other side.
A
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Hosts: Corinne Vien and Sabrina Deana-Roga
Date: May 31, 2026
In this spirited and humor-laden episode, Corinne and Sabrina dive deep into the grisly 1909 Savannah Axe Murders at the Gribble House in Savannah, Georgia—one of the city’s most haunting and tragic tales. The pair explore the historical backdrop, the chilling details of the case, and the spectral aftermath that continues to fuel Savannah's reputation as the most haunted city in America. Interspersed are their characteristic tangents, personal anecdotes, and listener-submitted paranormal evidence.
On the Gribble House’s Past:
"Tucked along a quiet street once sat a house that witnessed unthinkable horrors... a boarding house that became the site of one of the most brutal murders in the city's history..." (06:35)
Banter over weapons of choice for intruders:
“I feel like Corinne could crush my head with her thighs.” — Sabrina (04:35)
“If I could just get someone right here, it’s over. Like, I think I could kill a bear that way.” — Corinne (04:48)
On the failed ghost re-enactment confession tactic:
“A ghostly apparition appeared… Except it wasn’t a real ghost. It was an actor… to elicit a reaction.” — Sabrina (38:29)
On Historical Injustice:
“Sadly, because it’s 1909 in Savannah, Georgia, the mo’ folk immediately assumed a black man was responsible for the crime...” — Sabrina (21:45)
On the spectral aftermath:
“Tenants who rented the rooms after the murders reported bloodstains appearing on the walls. Like, even if they would clean it, they would reappear.” — Sabrina (46:04)
“Blood-red stain that continues to appear on walls and in the floor... specifically in the area that was once the Gribble house.” — Sabrina (54:17)
Listener Yvonne’s chilling experience:
“So then we turned the REM pod off, and we asked the spirit a question. The investigator said, is your name Tom? And the spirit said, nate. And the investigator said, nate, who was here? And the spirit said, Yvonne. It said my name.” — Yvonne, via Corinne (68:43)
“There were three big scratches down my shoulder.” — Yvonne, via Corinne (70:19)
This episode is both a meticulously researched true-crime account and an exploration of the supernatural fallout at one of Savannah’s most notorious haunted locations. It combines historical context, critical commentary on race and justice, paranormal evidence, and the hosts’ trademark humor. Especially notable is the real listener-submitted evidence, which makes the haunting feel immediate and very real. The episode is both an emotional true crime narrative and a spooky, interactive paranormal adventure.
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