Episode 378 - Unsolved Mysteries | The Berkshire UFO Incident

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Two Girls One Ghost
Hosts: Corinne Vien & Sabrina Deana-Roga
Episode: 378 - Unsolved Mysteries | The Berkshire UFO Incident
Release Date: June 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Corinne and Sabrina dive into one of the most compelling UFO events in American history: the Berkshire UFO Incident of September 1, 1969. Drawing inspiration from the Unsolved Mysteries docuseries, the hosts present a thoroughly-researched, detailed account of the mass UFO sighting and possible mass abduction in rural western Massachusetts, bringing together multiple witness stories and considering both the personal and societal impacts. The episode explores themes of memory, trauma, community skepticism, and the lingering question: what really happened that night over the Berkshires?

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

[04:18] Setting the Stage: Labor Day 1969 in the Berkshires

• Sabrina recounts the idyllic setting of the Berkshires in Massachusetts: covered bridges, rivers, farmland, and the cultural context (Apollo moon landing, Star Trek on TV, widespread interest in space).
• Corinne notes this was the era of other famous UFO cases, like Betty and Barney Hill (06:13—“What was happening in the 60s that aliens were like, we gotta go check Earth out?” – Sabrina).
• The incident occurred in small, close-knit towns like Sheffield, Great Barrington, Stockbridge, and Egremont, with populations in the low thousands.

[08:48] The Incident: A Night of Unexplainable Events

• On September 1, 1969, multiple witnesses across a wide rural area report seeing a huge UFO. The local radio station (WSBS) is flooded with calls, but tapes are erased as per routine at the time, and no police reports or newspaper stories are preserved.
• “People felt very isolated in their experiences.” – Sabrina (14:06)
• For decades, witnesses didn’t know others had the same experience, fueling isolation and disbelief.

[15:02] Main Witness: The Reed Family Abduction

• Nancy Reed (single mother), her sons Tom (9) and Matt, and their grandmother are driving home late at night. They see a disc-shaped UFO with beams of amber light.
• The car is engulfed in a silence and pressure change described as “like being underwater” (16:11).
• Notable moment: Memory gap. All four later find themselves back in the car, but three hours have elapsed, the adults are in swapped seats, and they are at a different location. (20:18)
  “The grandmother was in the driver’s seat, and Nancy was in the passenger seat.” – Sabrina (20:33)
• Tom recounts being inside a vast hangar-like interior, with fluorescent lighting and technology he did not recognize.
• This was not their first strange experience. Years prior, Tom and his brother experienced missing time and waking up outside.

[25:26] Another Witness: Tommy Warner’s Telepathic Abduction

• Tommy (around 10 years old) is at a friend’s house. He receives a telepathic instruction to go home (“You have to go home now” – 25:26).
• As he runs outside, all sound cuts out; he’s paralyzed—his friend’s sister witnesses him running in place, then vanishing as a beam of light takes him (27:01).
• Tommy recalls being inside a craft, encountering a telepathic female alien, and seeing or hearing other terrified children. On return, he is paralyzed by a beam until another telepathic voice says, “Hold on, I’ll be done in a minute.” (29:21)
• Years later, he would recognize the girl he saw crouched in the ship: Melanie Kirchdorfer, another abductee from that night.

[29:38] Melanie Kirchdorfer’s Ordeal

• Melanie (14) and her family see a blinding light after getting ice cream at Lake Mansfield.
• Her father pursues the light by car, against the children’s protests. Melanie recalls levitating, being in a craft with other children, and then everyone vanishing one by one.
• She wakes up alone by the lake, separated from her family and forced to walk home in the dark.
• Suffered lasting health effects: “Her body is literally wearing the score of what happened.” (34:03—Sabrina) including chronic sinus issues, ringing in her ears, and electronic disturbances.

[35:16] Decades Later: Witnesses Connect

• In 2018, Netflix’s Unsolved Mysteries brings several of the witnesses together. Tommy and Melanie meet for the first time and realize their accounts complement each other: Tommy clearly recalls seeing Melanie on the craft (36:09).
• After decades of silence, the incident takes on renewed public interest and validation.

[37:48] Additional Eyewitness: Jane Green

• Jane, a respected adult member of the community, sees the UFO as she drives with a friend; the craft is so massive she cannot see its edges.
• “I will never forget this. Like, I can have Alzheimer’s, I will not forget this.” – Jane Green [39:35]
• She feels validated only years later, after the government declassifies UFO footage.

[43:19] The Media and Official Response

• WSBS Radio receives dozens of simultaneous calls reporting something strange in the sky, but with no surviving record and little journalistic or police interest, the case is lost to time.
• Official military sources allegedly confirm no aircraft in the area that night; possible radar anomalies are rumored, but documentation is missing.

[46:31] Local Historical Recognition and Controversy

• In 2015, the Great Barrington Historical Society votes to recognize the incident as historically significant—a rare official acknowledgment.
• A monument is erected on the riverbank but is later removed for not having proper permission; the Society quietly walks back its endorsement.

[49:20] The Long-Term Impact on Witnesses

• Sabrina details the cost: social ridicule, trauma, forced relocation (the Reed family sells their diner and leaves after harassment), and lasting health/electrical effects for abductees.
• Despite skepticism, the witnesses are adamant:
  “These are people who spent decades in silence because they didn’t want any attention at all. But they all have one thing in common. On September 1, 1969, in Western Massachusetts, they encountered something non-human.” – Sabrina (51:55)

[53:39] Listener Story: Bobby from Ohio

• The hosts read a listener’s multiple paranormal stories, featuring an unexplained green light outside their childhood window, a sighting of a silent, glowing orb over a cornfield, car malfunctions, black spirit horses, and other strange occurrences, echoing patterns often found in abduction lore (car electronics failing, altered perception of time, etc.).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “In another life, I’m a UFO chaser. Like a storm chaser, but a UFO chaser… I get in my van, which is a mix of Scooby-Doo van and the Stranger Things van.” – Corinne (08:48)
• “People were not recordkeeping very well when it comes to just the public.” — Sabrina (13:06)
• “That part gave me chills. That’s why you were like, grandma hasn’t driven and has not driven.” — Sabrina (20:33)
• “They really need a consistency coordinator on their ship because…pay attention to the details, man!” – Corinne (20:47)
• “I do. I won’t even forget this—I could have Alzheimer's, I will not forget this.” – Jane Green, recalling seeing the massive craft above her (39:35)
• “What we do know is that there are things that happen in the Berkshires that cannot be explained. We can’t tell you what it is or why, but we can tell you that whatever happened…had a real cost to the human beings involved.” — Sabrina (50:17)
• “On September 1, 1969, in Western Massachusetts, they encountered something non-human. They all saw a UFO in the Berkshires.” — Sabrina (51:55)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 01:19 | Start of show, hosts introduce themselves | | 04:18 | Sabrina sets the historical and cultural scene | | 15:02 | Reed family’s encounter and missing time | | 25:26 | Tommy Warner’s abduction and shared witness | | 29:38 | Melanie Kirchdorfer’s story and health effects | | 35:16 | UFO witnesses connect decades later | | 37:48 | Jane Green, an adult witness, recounts her sighting | | 43:19 | Examining radio, police, and newspaper coverage | | 46:31 | Monument, history, and walk-back by officials | | 49:20 | Aftermath for witnesses | | 53:39 | Listener Bobby’s paranormal/UFO story |

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Tone and Style

• Conversational & Empathetic: The hosts mix thorough research with playful, empathic, and sometimes comedic banter, oscillating between awe, skepticism, and emotional resonance for the witnesses.
• Skeptics Not Welcome: The hosts make it clear that while skepticism exists, their focus is on the impact and sincerity of the witnesses’ experiences (“Meat fist! Threat has been escalated.” – 53:33)
• Reflective: There’s a recurring theme of the deep personal impact on those who live through the unexplained and the way isolation and ridicule can compound trauma.

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Conclusion

Corinne and Sabrina deliver a compelling exploration of the Berkshire UFO Incident, weaving together witness accounts, historical context, and the fallout of paranormal encounters. This episode is a blend of chilling detail and supportive storytelling: a testament to the lasting impact of the unexplained on ordinary people, and a call to listen, believe, and seek the truth—however strange.

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For more listener stories or your own Berkshire UFO memories, email the podcast at 2girls1ghostpodcastmail.com

Transcript

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Hello.

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Hello. How we doing?

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This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

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Two girls, one Ghost. And we are your ghostesses. That is Corinne.

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Hello.

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I am Sabrina. Hello.

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Hello.

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Hello there. Why am I thinking of, like, Julia Childs? Like, hello. And like a little bit of a. What's the movie where he dresses up Mrs. Doubtfire?

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Oh, Mrs. Doubtfire.

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Everyone should just stop what they're doing, turn off this podcast and go watch that movie. It's such a good feel.

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It's such a good one feel.

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Good movie. Well, should we just jump right into it?

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Sure. I mean, has anything happened in our lives since I saw you two days ago? Two days ago?

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No.

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Oh, my God. I did. Something has happened to me.

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What?

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I. So I, like, don't drink as often as I used, like, used to back in college. Shocker, Shocker. No one should. But I, like, just the other day I was like, I just kind of, like, want something that, like, post work. I could just like, take the edge off. So I went and bought a bunch of, like, weed gummies. And I walked into the store and the guy like, I. I don't do this. Like, I'm not, you know, that type of person.

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How do you even know what to order?

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Exactly. The guy sees me and he goes, are you okay? And I was like, I'm just really confused. I don't know what to do. And he's like, come on over here, I got you. But anyway, I took a gummy last night, or I took half a gummy because I was like, I don't know how I'm going to do. Yeah, didn't feel it. So I took another half and then, my goodness, I was in the Sunken Place. I was eating Stouffer's Mac and cheese.

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Oh, yum.

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Cookies from Elizabeth that have been in my freezer.

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So good.

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But I woke up this morning, and I was like, I might still be high.

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So did you watch? Did you. Are you high right now?

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No, it passed, but it was, like, that groggy, like, waking up. Yeah.

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Did you watch anything while you were. I feel like you always have good recommendations for, like, TV and movies. Also, I'm sweating my ass off. I'm gonna take my sweatshirt off.

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Take it off.

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My hormones are raging now. You can see my stains on my shirt. But that's life.

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That's life.

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Oh, my God.

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It was a nice, nice little evening to myself.

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Yeah, that sounds lovely. It was nice. How great.

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Went to the Sunken Place.

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I went to the Sunken Place.

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I was deep in my couch. Like, what's the girl from.

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Does Leia have a reaction to you when you're.

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No, no. She just wants her own food. And it's not like I smoked, you know, Like, I don't smell different or anything. But what was gonna say, who's the lady who did the couch? Big red couch. And then, like, the cloth legs. I felt like her stuck in it. Like, the little lint things that come to life that live in her couch.

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Didn't we just look up, like, a year ago? But yeah, okay. No, more recently. Like, within this past, like, six weeks. I was watching the intro to.

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Oh, you watched the intro?

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Yeah, the, like, theme song and then her little clip.

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Oh, you know what it was is because when your parents were here, we were Talking about how Ms. Rachel kind of has that vibe.

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Is that when we looked it up

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and I didn't watch it with you, but I think that must have been when I was like.

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I definitely looked at it for, like, a good 30 seconds.

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Anyway, that's our update.

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Here we are.

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And then now we have ghost stories for you.

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Yeah, well, maybe not a ghost story this week. Something a little different.

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What is it?

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Because when I was ill, which I've been sick for, like, a month.

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Is pregnancy kind of a sickness? It's like a mutation.

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I have a condition.

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It's a child growing inside of me.

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No, but it was like, half my family members went down with the flu. It was brutal. Anyway, rough month. Spent a lot of time in bed. And when I was in bed, I logged into Netflix, as people do, and I was like, oh, what's a show that feels good to watch and that I haven't seen in a while? And that is when I clicked on Unsolved Mysteries the best I could. Rewatch Unsolved Mysteries infinite amount of times and still kind of constantly forget what the episode is that.

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And read the files.

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Yeah. And then it feels like you're watching it for the first time again and you're like, wow. Cause it's just everything is so mind blowing.

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So good.

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Anyway, so it was the new Unsolved Mysteries because obviously there was the one that aired on cable, but then there's the special that's, like, on Netflix, where I think there's a few different volumes, a few episodes per volume.

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So what did you spill on your pants?

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I think that this is dirt that didn't come out.

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Oh, okay. Okay.

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And then on my shirt, strawberries from Noah.

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The shirt's not as visible to me from this angle.

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I think that's my own maple syrup. No, most of my clothes have to go in the trash because I just.

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Yeah, they become a bib.

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They literally are. Okay, so maybe aliens will think we're disgusting if they come down here.

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I hope not. I hope they love me.

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They certainly have come to see some of us one day. Sabrina too. Maybe we'll manifest. Okay, but volume one, episode five was called Berkshire's ufo. And I was like, wait a second. I don't remember hearing about this. We live so close to the Berkshires. We're in Massachusetts. We can drive there in like an hour and a half. And this was based on documented accounts of the September 1, 1969 UFO incident in Berkshire County, Massachusetts.

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Is this around the time as Betty and Barney Hill? Like, I think it happened in the 60s.

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Yes. I did look this up originally, and then I didn't write it down, like,

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what was happening in the 60s. That aliens were like, we gotta go check Earth out.

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Betty and Barney Hill. The 61.

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What's happening in the 60s? The alien to, like, what's up Earth?

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I don't. I don't know. And I guess New England, but really it was everywhere. Yeah.

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Everywhere.

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Yeah. So it's Labor Day weekend, 1969, in Western Massachusetts. The Berkshire Hills are a postcard. There are covered bridges, glittering Housatonic river, farmlands, fireflies, Appalachian Mountains.

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What is the river?

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The Housatonic.

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Housatonic. I love that that's on that list.

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Yeah. Well, I wanted to put some challenging words in here. Massachusetts geography. And I'm semi confident that I'm going to say them all correctly from just hearing them enough.

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Yeah.

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This is also where they have the dinosaur footprints, which along the Connecticut river that goes through Massachusetts. In western Massachusetts, you can go and walk on the rock bed that has actual dinosaur prints in the rock bed. I've talked about them so many times and said it's been on my bucket list. And I still haven't gone there. And they just let you, like, you can touch the dinosaur footprints.

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So cool.

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Anyway, it's a beautiful area. Like, in the fall, people go leaf peeping here. It's very historic. It's just, like, so lovely. And most people, I think, live out there full time. But, like, people do. Like summer homes and vacation. A lot of people will try to like summer and do vacations out there. Especially because the summer's so beautiful. A lot of tourists, but great warm days, eating ice cream.

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Perfect.

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Get to stay outside picnics on the freshly cut grass. And that is the time period that we're in. Cause it's Labor Day week. So people are resting under the shaded trees, just enjoying the last of the summer. I feel like we can put in Noah Khan's new great divide. End of August, the crickets. Yeah, just listen to the crickets the first three seconds of that song, and that is what people are feeling. But then something happens. Something that 50 years later, no one can explain. Something that changes their lives so completely that some of them won't even speak about it for decades. And when they finally do, they find out that they are not alone. A lot of other people saw the same thing. Multiple witnesses, multiple locations across dozens of miles the very same night. The same object. In a county with no air base, no military facility, no explanation. There was a UFO in the Berkshires?

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Hell, yeah. In another life, I'm a UFO chaser. Like a storm chaser, but a UFO chaser. And I second. There's a rapport. I get in my van, which is, like, equipped mix of Scooby Doo van and the Stranger Things van.

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We could have done this.

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And I'm en route.

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Why are we doing this? I would have done that with you. That sounds so cool. It's too late for me now, unfortunately.

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You can make your kids be storm chasers with us. UFO chasers?

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Yeah, I homeschool them so that we can just chase UFOs all day.

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It reminds me of that family we talked about, the balloon boy hoax on crimes of where they literally had their kids sleep in their normal clothes in case they had to, like, in the middle of the night, pack up to go storm chasing.

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What a different life.

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Yeah.

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I'm still so curious. I think we said it on that episode, but I'm still so curious. What those kids like now, what their perspective is on my childhood. Because sometimes it can be like, oh, my God, I had the most amazing childhood. And then other times, certain kids could be like, that was really disorienting.

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Well, I will say that there was a lot of toxicity in that family. So.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Hope it wasn't passed down.

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If you're curious what we're talking about, go check out the crafts up episode about that hoax. Sorry I wrote so much about western Massachusetts.

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You were.

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Populations. The different things on my bucket list. We can skip over all.

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I want to know what else is on your bucket list.

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Well, it was just about like, going to some of the covered bridges and the different forests that haven't changed over hundreds of years. I was like, listing off different towns that have really low population. It's fine, guys. I wanna know top dinosaur prints.

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Okay, but what other places should I go?

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Well, I also wanna go to Amherst.

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Yeah.

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Just because I feel like Amherst is said to have really beautiful leaf peeping.

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Okay.

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In the Amherst area, there are also. I didn't write them down, but there are a few really good thrift stores.

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Ooh, love.

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Oh, there's such good vintage furniture stores out there too.

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Antiquing is just another level.

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Yeah, well, I won't read you all of my things. The last sentence of my spiel was, anyway, this isn't about dinosaurs. So in 1969, these towns which were really like the Sheffield, Great Barrington, Stockbridge, Egremont. That one I probably said wrong. Which have low populations, like in the. In the low thousands. These towns are even quieter at this time. The Vietnam war was raging. And two months earlier in July, Neil Armstrong had walked on the moon, which is very timely given the Artemis 2 trip that just happened. People are thinking about space, right? And in 1969, space was everywhere. It was like a part of the cultural consciousness. Everyone was talking about it. Space Wars, Star Trek had been on TV for three years. This is like, when people are getting really super into these things. Apollo missions. In every newspaper, Americans are thinking about this. So some people are like, could that be in the subconscious of those who witnessed what is to come? But I say, absolutely not.

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Or are the aliens, like, why are they showing so much interest in our space now? We need to go check them out. That actually makes so much sense because, like, we're sending men to walk on the moon, and aliens are like, wait, wait, wait, we didn't know that they were doing this. Yeah, they can't know what's up. We need to know what they Know, let's.

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Let's go to western Massachusetts and spy on them a little bit and go

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look at the leaves.

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So this is the context that we're in. So it's September 1, 1969, Labor Day, and something appeared in the sky over the Berkshires that no one could explain. And I will say up front that there are no police reports from that night. There are no newspaper accounts. The local radio station, WSBS in Great Barrington received a flood of calls from Pittsfield to Cannon, Connecticut. So basically it was like this huge region in New England that they were getting flooded with calls. But at the time, it was just a normal thing to not save the tapes. So it was like the next night or like two nights later when they needed to like re record over, all of those calls were erased.

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That's so sad.

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Yeah, that was the standard practice.

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You know, someone's like great grandpa or like grandpa was recording all of the radio channels that were playing. And there's like a tape, someone's got to do it. Like a cassette tape in someone's basement.

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There's like some 8 year old being like, I gotta get that Cyndi Lauper song. She's recording it. Oh, man, there's gotta be something. But this is also the era where people are like accidentally recording over their own, like, wedding videos and stuff. People were not record keeping very well when it comes to just like the public. So with the reports that were happening at the time, these witness accounts were very powerful and very specific, but they also weren't widely published. So there was no public record about it until decades later. So even though certain people, like the radio host is hearing all this stuff and is saying like, oh my gosh, these accounts are corroborating each other. Something's happening. Like, I need to go. He actually went and went to the police station to be like, something's going on. Nothing was publicly released. And so a lot of people who were calling had no clue that what they experienced and called in a panic to say, like, what's going on? Was also witnessed by a ton of other people.

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Right. They felt like they were alone for decades.

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People felt very isolated in their experiences.

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Damn.

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And in Unsolved Mysteries, one of the great things about this show is that they interview the witnesses. So you actually get to see these people who are now far into adulthood, talk about what happened themselves. Okay, so we're gonna start with the Reed family. Who is the family that is kind of the most prominent voice in this story. They're the most vocal. So Nancy Reed she was a single mother who'd moved her family from Queens, New York, to Sheffield, Massachusetts. And she had recently acquired a restaurant called the Village Green. And this was a local eye. Picture the square in Pretty Little Liars, which is also Gilmore Girls. Gilmore Girls, yeah. It gets reused in a bunch of different. But that is kind of the vibe that I feel because it's this gathering place right in the middle of town. And she moved there with her two sons, Thomas, who went by Tom. T, H O M. Interesting spelling. He was nine at the time. And then his younger brother, Matthew, who went by Matt.

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I will say T H O M actually makes more sense because Thomas is spelt T. Yeah. Yeah.

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Tom's grandmother was also living with the family at the time. So it was Nancy, her two sons, and her mother.

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Yep.

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On the evening of September 1st, Labor Day weekend, all four of them, Nancy, Tom, Matt, and their grandmother, were driving home from the restaurant after Tom's horse show. He, like, went. Showed some horses. They were like, great, let's go eat. But it's kind of late at night, so I think it was like 9pm or something when they went to go basically, like, open up her restaurant to be able to have a bite before they head home and celebrate tomorrow.

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Yeah.

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So they're heading south on Route 7, crossing the area near the old Sheffield covered bridge, which I included a historic photo for you, Sabrina.

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I love a covered bridge.

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And for other people.

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So pretty.

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If you're watching on YouTube, this is one of the oldest covered bridges in the United States. It's beautiful, kind of haunting. And it's crossing the Housatonic River. So Tom Reed is in the documentary as well. So his mom, Nancy, but also Tom, they both speak about that night, and this is, like, 50 years later that they're both recalling what happened to them.

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Yeah.

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He said he was in the backseat handing his brother a piece of candy. It was one of those, like, fireball, like, jawbreaker type things. And his grandma is in the front seat with his mom. I think his mom was driving. His mom's definitely driving, actually, because his grandma did not drive at that point. She hadn't been driving for years. His grandma whips around and starts, like, reprimanding him, like, hey, don't give that to your brother. He could choke. That's a dangerous piece of candy. He's too young. And as she's saying that, she notices lights rising above the Housatonic river that they had just passed, or, like, are, like, going over the bridge as she's turned around saying this and she like sees over the water some lights. And the car starts to fall silent in a very strange way. And the pressure starts to change and the air itself has shifted. They said it's almost like they're underwater in a way. And then there's this light ball glowing and hovering. It rose and fired these rods of light down below. And so everyone's staring except for Matt, the youngest in the car. Instead of staring at these lights, he looks out the window to the right and sees this rolling red orb.

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What?

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So then Nancy, the mom, she pulls over. Everyone is looking. And then the light through the trees along the road reveal a disc shaped object hovering. The UFO was so big, they were like. It has to have been at least a hundred yards wide.

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Why is that such a common. Like, I feel like that's how people often explain it. 100 yards wide, 100 yards wide. It's like a football field.

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It's a giant.

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Yeah.

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And that is when the light that had been beamed down onto the ground suddenly shifted and went to the car. So now they're like being blinded by this light.

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It's like, I see you seeing us.

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Tom describes it as like the color amber being on both sides of the road. And it didn't feel like it was a spotlight. It felt like light was just everywhere.

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Well, isn't there like a whole theory that, like, I don't know if I made this up or I read it somewhere, that they're using light as an energy source?

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Oh, yeah, I do remember that. Was that you or was that.

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I don't know.

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We regurgitate so many things we hear online.

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Yeah. That I'm like, am I brilliant and smart or is that like a stupid thing that I made up?

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I don't know. Okay, so this is what's happening. There's like. It feels like there's not a spotlight. It's just literally light everywhere. It's like they're in this like white room. Than a gap in memory.

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All of them.

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Yeah. The next thing he remembers is being inside of something. It's vast. It's like a hangar, like space, like if you think of like an airport, like airplane hangar. And he described the interior as enormous, being bigger than a football field. Then there's this hallway which is circular and it's configured in this sort of like Y shape. Kind of hard to picture. There's fluorescent looking lighting everywhere. And the room that had the curved wall also had technology unlike anything he'd ever seen before or again. So he has no idea, like what these machines or things were. That he was witnessing. So he sees that, and then, poof, he's back in the car, the light is gone, the frogs and crickets erupt with life. Like, his mom was in the Unsolved Mysteries episode, and she was saying something about, like, how crazy it was to just go from, like, complete silence to just, like, all the bugs. Suddenly it was like they were being held back from making any noise. We're just like, blah.

[A]

Well, that's also, like, such a question that I have about alien encounters. Is it that they, like, all the critters and creatures and animals and, like, wind and birds are being, like, prevented from making noise? Or is the presence of this thing or, like, whatever energy they're using putting you into, like, a bubble where there's the absence of sound?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And is it just, like, were the crickets always happening? It was just your perception, too, from going from hearing nothing and being in a vacuum to hearing them again?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It can be very disorienting. And so basically, like, all of them had. Had this lost time. Tom is the only one that remembers anything from this lost time. But they're back in the car. But. Oh, I didn't write this down, so I'm gonna go off my memory. They're back in the car. Three hours of time had passed. When they had three hours, first seen the lights, they were going over the covered bridge, I guess. In the covered bridge?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then when they came to, they were in front of the drugstore. So completely different location.

[A]

And how far is that from the bridge?

[B]

God, I don't know.

[A]

Probably not far.

[B]

Probably not far.

[A]

But still, they had moved locations.

[B]

They'd moved locations. And the grandmother was in the driver's seat, and Nancy was in the passenger seat.

[A]

Oh, that part gave me chills. That's why you were like, grandma hasn't driven and has not driven.

[B]

And so that's when they were like, oh, my God. Like, you can't even make up an excuse. Excuse for, like, why no one remembers anything. Like, this is clearly wrong. Oh, I have huge goosebumps right now.

[A]

Oh, my God. They really need a consistency coordinator on their ship because they do, like, pay attention to the details, man. Write down who's in what seat. Like, that is the simplest thing you could have done.

[B]

Yeah, you drop them wherever, but, like, at least put them back in the right seat.

[A]

They need to keep playing some more memory games.

[B]

They do. Okay, but here's what's interesting. This actually wasn't the first encounter for the Reed family.

[A]

Okay, how Do I become adopted by the Reed family?

[B]

So according to the family's account, either 1966 or 1967. So, like three or four years prior, the boys. The two boys reported experiencing doors in the house, slamming. And then after hearing that, they woke up in the driveway and then lost time again and then found themselves back inside. So they were, like, losing time and, like, glitching in this, like, weird situation that they told their parents about, but it was.

[A]

They both woke up in the driveway momentarily and then were back inside.

[B]

Yeah. So that was a weird thing that happened to these kids. Then they're with their mom and grandma having another thing like this happen in 1969. So this one was the most dramatic. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't believe children when they experience something like this. But. But like this time, there were two adults who could corroborate what happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Later on, Tom Reed agreed to take a polygraph examination about his account, and he passed. Which, it's worth saying that polygraph tests have very little validity to them. They're not admissible in court.

[A]

Not anymore.

[B]

Not anymore. But his truthfulness rated at, like, 99.1% or something like that.

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[A]

that was put in his head.

[B]

So he told his friend's older sister Debbie that he thought, like, maybe God was calling him through the clouds. And he was kind of panicked and he was uncertain because he'd never experienced anything like that. But he was spooked enough that he was like, I gotta go. He runs out of the house. Debbie's like, this is weird. So she watches him through the window as he's running out through the yard. The moment he gets outside, all sound cuts out. It's complete silence. He said it felt like he was running, but he wasn't moving.

[A]

Why do I feel like this is like, the voice was making him go outside to abduct him? Yeah, so we don't trust the inside voice.

[B]

Right. So he feels like he's Scooby Doo running. Like, he's so panicked, he, like, can't even get anywhere. That's his feeling. Debbie is also interviewed in Unsolved Mysteries. She's like, no, he didn't just feel that way. He literally wasn't moving. He was running in place and didn't move an inch forward. She said it happened for minutes. She was inside watching in shock. For minutes, watching him just run in place, confused about what was going on. And then Tommy looks up. He said his hands jerked back, which, like, when he was describing it was kind of like in the weapons movie where the kids, like, all run with their hands behind them and got the air sucked out of him. Not knocked out of him. Like, sucked out of him. Then there was a beam of light that came down on him. And Debbie's still watching. Right. There's a witness inside. She's watching from the safety of the window, or I guess, like, the perceived safety. And she says that she just saw, in an instant Tommy disappear. So he went from running in place to just vanished.

[A]

Okay, so that negates my question of is this happening astrally?

[B]

Like, no, he's physically being physically, physically disappearing.

[A]

Abducted.

[B]

Then a few minutes later, he's back on the lawn. He's looking up at the sky because he's just, like, laying there as this object moves away from him. He remembers being inside of this craft. It had a circular. So it's going to be very similar to Tom Reed's testimony about what he saw. It had a circular silvery bronze interior. And he remembers actually encountering a female alien who communicated with him telepathically. He said he also heard children screaming, like, in fear screaming.

[A]

Well, I mean, if this spacecraft is abducting so many people all at one time, it seems like it's all children, too, so far.

[B]

Cause we have Tom and Tommy. And then he said that he saw another child. So he's hearing a bunch of kids screaming. He's looking around this, like, circular curved ship. And he actually lays eyes on a little girl who doesn't see him, but she's crouched in the corner, and she looks terrified.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, she's crouched in the corner.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'M looking up when Travis Walton UFO incident happened, 1975. Because it does sound really similar to like the way that these witnesses are like victims are describing their experience.

[B]

Right. I know, it's so strange.

[A]

I'm looking for patterns.

[B]

I mean, there are plenty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then sometimes when there aren't, it's like, well, the excuse is, is there one alien race coming to visit us or could it be like we have no idea?

[A]

Or are they doing different studies? They're doing different studies, yeah.

[B]

So Tom remembers seeing this girl and he wouldn't know who this girl was for decades, but one day he will find out. A little teaser. Tom sees this in the ship and then boom, he's back on the ground. He's laying there looking up as the ship is about to take off. There's a beam still on him before the ship takes off. So he's laying there looking up at the spacecraft. A beam is on him. His brother is now here coming to collect him. I think they must have been like neighbors or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's yelling at him, yelling at him to run, but Tommy can't.

[A]

So they're all seeing this.

[B]

They're all seeing it. Tommy cannot get up and run because the beam has paralyzed him. He's completely still. He can't do literally anything while the beam is on him. And just like a voice had told him to go outside, that same voice comes and says, hold on, I'll be done in a minute.

[A]

Oh my God, no. I hate that so much.

[B]

Chills again. Then a minute later, the beam in the ship vanish and Tommy gets regains control of his limbs.

[A]

Done with what?

[B]

I don't know. I'll be done in a minute. Gross.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also on the evening of September 1, 1969, 14 year old Melanie Kirchdorfer was at Lake Mansfield in Great Barrington with her parents and younger sister and they'd gone to go get ice cream at Dairy Queen. Apparently. I think they were saying like they didn't want to go get ice cream or something. Like the kids like didn't want to go, but like maybe we're forced. I don't know. Whatever.

[A]

You can't honestly fair. Sometimes as a parent you're like using the kids as a reason to go get ice cream and it's like, no, I want to get the ice cream.

[B]

It's also like, you are being so testy at home. We're leaving this house. Even if you say no, we're still going to get ice cream, change our setting. So, yeah, they've gone to go get ice cream at the Dairy Queen. It's otherwise an ordinary evening for them. As her father pulls the car into the lake's parking area for them to just, like, sit and eat their ice cream, there is a blinding light that engulfs them. Her dad says, holy shit, we've got to chase this.

[A]

What?

[B]

And everyone in the car begins to panic. And Melanie is like, I was begging my father not to chase it. Like, please, please don't chase this thing. I'm so scared. They're all freaking out, except for her dad, who's like, in the moment thinking, this is the coolest thing ever. Don't chase her energy.

[A]

He is. Welcome to our team.

[B]

Yeah. He ignores his whole family's pleading with him to stop, and he instead drives towards it. Her sister remembered nothing about what happened next, but Melanie remembers levitating and then suddenly being on a ship. She recalls being laid out flat inside of this craft. She was in a room with other children. And then one by one, the children began to disappear. And I only have the information that was shared in a few different articles that I looked at, plus the watching Unsolved Mysteries episode. So I don't know what she means when she says disappeared, like, if they just like, poofed or if they were being collected by aliens and brought into another room for something. But she says she witnessed this and then she woke up alone by the lake. Her family was gone, no evidence of them being anywhere, and she had to walk in the dark of night all the way home.

[A]

Okay, here's my question. Was there another child who has memory of being by that lake and then like, vanishing? And then they showed up, like, where Melanie's family was like, oh, they're like.

[B]

They put them back wrong. They just.

[A]

It's a blonde girl. Blonde haired girl with blue eyes.

[B]

Like, wait, wow, you got that right.

[A]

Did I? I figured New England.

[B]

I don't know white people, man.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

But yeah. So Melanie had no reason to fabricate any of this. Right? And she's very explicit in the documentary saying she does not think that this was a fun or positive experience. This wasn't like, oh, my God, how cool. I experienced this crazy thing. Her parents and her sister remember nothing.

[A]

They don't even remember, like, coming to you and their daughter's gone.

[B]

Nope. She can't stop talking about what happened because she's traumatized. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Her family's response to this, to helping their child who is experiencing extreme fear, is to be so annoyed that they lock her into the basement at one Point and say, like, if you don't stop talking about this, like, you're not coming out. And they lock her in the basement. So double trauma parenting.

[A]

Woo.

[B]

So all to say, some families experience this with their kids, some families believed their kids, some families did not believe their kids, some punish them for, quote, unquote, lying. But the common thread is basically, don't talk about what happened. Because this is so creepy and so scary and so unexplainable that we're terrified. And if you talk about it, we don't know what will happen. So just be quiet.

[A]

And sometimes, especially like this family who, if they have no memory, or maybe they have like an inkling of a memory, but it's so, like, implausible or they're so incapable of processing it that they're like, it's just better to not talk about it. Yeah, I'm thinking about you.

[B]

Well, I'm also thinking about me, but I'm specifically, instead of probably things you're thinking about me for, I'm thinking about when I saw the ufo and I was scared to even like, text my family because I was like, what do they know that I'm speaking about them? And then they come for me. Yeah, no, it's my 2% Irish. I bottle everything up and then the

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

That's how that works. Noah Khan is your medicine.

[B]

Literally. Oh, sad music. Okay, so Melanie, she does not talk about it again for years. She's got plenty of reason not to. But her body is literally, like wearing the score of what happens the second. She basically returns, her health takes a turn. She develops chronic sinus problems, persistent ringing in her ears. She has vision issues that began that very night. And she also says that. And this is so interesting. Cause it reminds me so much of the case that you covered where those three girls or women went out for one of their birthdays and then got abducted. She involuntarily messes with electronic equipment, like electronics around her. Will not affection. So she's got health problems and she's affecting electronics, which is one of the

[A]

three women had that same problem. But it was interesting because they all each had different. I think it was like Louise Smith. And I'm blanking on the other names, but yeah, they all had different things. Which makes you wonder, like, were they experimenting different things on each person, different people, probably crazy.

[B]

And they have to be, because how else is this happening? So this is happening in 1969, September 1, 1969. All this happens in this one day period.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It is not until 2018 when Netflix producers arrived in the Berkshires to begin filming what would become this Unsolved Mysteries reboot. And Melanie and Tom Warner Tommy meet for the first time at the grocery store. They're aware that they're both on the show. They start to talk about their experiences. I think they're like, chatting and communicating over Facebook after they meet two people who did not know each other prior, who'd lived decades within miles of each other. Melanie does not remember seeing Tom Tommy inside the craft, but Tommy remembers seeing her. That is the girl he knew as soon as he saw her, that this was the girl that was crouched in the corner, terrified. He described the expression to her on her face of, like, what he saw. And she was like, oh, my God. That totally matches exactly what I remember of, like, where I was, what I was feeling, everything.

[A]

It's just also so scary that both of them describe seeing so many other kids or hearing so many other kids screaming, because it's like the just number of people who are living today that we don't even know or have, like, repressed memories that they were abducted.

[B]

Yeah, one of my friends, which actually maybe she emailed us about this and I probably read it, but one of our friends, whose name I won't say, just in case we haven't outed her for. For a few years, she was, like, telling me about these really creepy dreams that she was having. And then she started to be like, wait, are these dreams or am I getting abducted? Because they started to really match some, like, public abduction cases that were being told.

[A]

Or is she a psychic and, like, tapping into other people's experiences and consciousness?

[B]

I don't know, but she was, like, basically seeing the grays, like that typical category of alien.

[A]

I am curious about this, though, because obviously, publicly, people aren't talking about this, but people must have been talking about it enough for the Unsolved Mysteries producers to know about it, to go there and record and film.

[B]

So Tom Reid, he was pretty vocal about the experience.

[A]

So it started with him.

[B]

So I think he's the one that got in communication with Unsolved Mysteries, and that's when they came and started to investigate, asking around if anyone had experienced anything. So he was the one who'd experienced glitches, like weirdness with his boat before, had this thing happen. And then they continued. Both boys continued to have weird Alien encounters throughout their life.

[A]

They were marked.

[B]

Yeah. So he was more vocal. Everyone else was like, Z.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's how Unsolved Mysteries found it. Found it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Also in the documentary. I keep calling it a documentary. It's a docu series.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Also in the episode was Jane Green, and she is kind of like a standalone in this episode because she. So far, everyone who's being interviewed is either a child who's grown up or experienced something with a child who was abducted.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But Jane Green was an adult when she experienced what she experienced.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And she grew up in Great Barrington. Her family founded the first Rexell drugstore in the Northeast. She was a pillar of the community, Very respected her family's word, and their name carried a lot of weight. On September 1, 1969, Jane was driving with a friend along Route 7 from Stockbridge towards Great Barrington. It's starting to get dark. Ahead of them on the horizon, a bunch of bright lights. And they are assuming that the lights are from police cars. They're like, oh, no, there's been an accident. They're, like, slowing down. They pull over. Another car pulls over, too. The lights are getting really bright, like, hard to see. And so Jane gets out of the car and looks up. And when she looks up, she realizes that above them is this massive object floating right in front of them. So bright, but there's no sound, no windows, no engine, Nothing that she could see or hear. But it's so massive that she said she literally couldn't see where it ended to the right or left. When she looked up, it was, like, took up the.

[A]

And there are other cars pulled over by her.

[B]

There's one more car that was pulled over.

[A]

Are there kids in that car?

[B]

I don't know. Probably.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She probably witnessed a reduction.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She said she watched the object kind of just like, hang there, and then within a couple seconds, it just darted up into the sky and across the mountains. Like, in a matter of a couple seconds, gone in an instant. And she told. I love this. She was telling the interviewers. She was like, I will never forget this. Like, I can have Alzheimer's. I will not forget this.

[A]

Like, that's how.

[B]

Yes, it is ingrained in her mind one thing that will be forever stained into her memory.

[A]

Geez.

[B]

So Jane Green, she said that she was very relieved to learn that others had seen the same things as she did because for years, she feared no one would believe her. So she didn't really tell anyone. She said that when the Navy actually began declassifying UFO footage in the, like, 2000 and tens. I think we talked about it when it happened on our podcast. That is when she was like, oh, my gosh. Well, I feel more validated if the US Navy is saying that this happened. Maybe people won't think that I am batshit crazy if I say something. So, yeah, she hadn't said anything for like 50 years.

[A]

That's crazy. Okay.

[B]

And then I would have gotten out

[A]

of my car and gone to the car behind me and been like, what the hell was that?

[B]

Yeah. Hello? Are you okay? No one's in the car. Cause they've all been.

[A]

Because they've all been abducted. Or they're all like, kind of like Tommy who was just like, running in place, but their eyes are just open.

[B]

Ew.

[A]

They're frozen.

[B]

Yeah, I hate what happened to Tommy. Tommy's is the worst because it's like other people see it don't have the gap in memory, like, actually saw what happened. So you get insight into what the abduction actually was like.

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[A]

David isi. Is he the radio station host? Because that's a radio station name. David Icy.

[B]

Yeah, I think he is. WSCS or BS or whatever. I think he was. And he was also the general manager there. So people were calling in, but they weren't saying like, hey, we're seeing a ufo. They didn't frame it that way. They were like, hey, something bizarre is happening and we don't know what's going on, but there's something in the sky. There's some sort of like airplane or like something weird is happening and calls are coming from across the region, like all the way down, Connecticut, Massachusetts, all over. And yet there is nothing in the newspaper. So, Gary Laville. I'm butchering the last names. I'm not butchering the Massachusetts pronunciation of these towns. I don't think. He's a Berkshire historian who looked into the case later and he was like, okay, well, why are there zero newspaper reports about this UFO from September 1969? And then there's just like the talk about how many reports came through the radio station, but not actually evidence of the calls. Sure. So he tracked down the former editor who told him that, yeah, he'd heard about the sightings, but he thought that it was a hoax. So he just didn't run the story. Simple as that. That's why there's not a thing.

[A]

Which I appreciate that, you know, journalism being like, let's not spread false information. Right.

[B]

This is a rumor.

[A]

Yeah. But even today, like there's so many people who don't believe in aliens, even though the government is declassifying things and like saying, yes, there are Unidentified Flying Objects, or uip, whatever they called like

[B]

uip, Aerial Phenomena, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, uap.

[A]

There are plenty of people who are like, haha, yeah, right, right. Still today.

[B]

Okay, but so yes, that's why there's no newspaper report. We know the radio station had just wiped over, like rerecorded over all of the tapes, which was standard procedure. There's no like nefarious cover up happening here. But the radio station, the guy did go to the police because he was like, I'm getting so many calls that there's something strange happening. And the police, a Sheffield officer was actually dispatched to go look for the object, but presumably didn't find anything. Which is why there's no like official report. Report.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that is why there's nothing. But it's just a boatload of witnesses all who had no idea anyone else was experiencing that and anything with no physical evidence to prove what happened to them. We do know that the military was asked and confirmed that there was no aircraft belonging to them in this area that weekend.

[A]

Okay, that's ruled out.

[B]

That's ruled out. This is a. Supposedly the military also confirmed that the radar equipment had picked up some strange activity in the area.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

So something was in the sky, but then those records disappeared. So that one could be like a rumor.

[A]

Sure, yeah.

[B]

Or whatever. So for decades, this incident existed in a way that a lot of UFO stories do. Known locally, believed privately, talked about in hushed voices or just never talked about at all. But then in 2015, something extraordinary happened. The Great Barrington Historical Society voted on whether or not to recognize September 1, 1969 as historically significant.

[A]

Yeah, they should.

[B]

Yes. The vote was six to three. So they said yes.

[A]

Let me talk to those three.

[B]

Right. Show you.

[A]

Let me show you something. It's my fist.

[B]

I'm going to pick you up before I put you down again. So I think this came basically from like the Reid family. Like I was saying, Tom Reed has been vocal over the years while a lot of other people never spoke about it. The incident was starting to become a little bit more mainstream just because of his work with basically like discussing UFO incidents and what happened that day.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

The story of the Reed family was formally inducted into the society's Archives. And it was treated as a factual piece of the region's history. And it made front page news in the Boston Globe.

[A]

Hell, yeah.

[B]

Around the same time, a group of witnesses pooled money to erect a monument. A 5,000 pound granite slab on the banks of the Housatonic river in Sheffield, near where the Reed family car had stopped that night.

[A]

What does it look like? What's the monument?

[B]

It's like a. Oh, just like a

[A]

plaque that says what happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not like a UFO.

[B]

No. The plaque is signed by Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker. the time. He's not governor anymore.

[A]

It's so funny. Like, I think about the random ass things that mayors have to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sign a plaque.

[B]

Sign a plaque about an alien abduction happening on a covered bridge in western Massachusetts. He later said through a spokesperson that his signature had been affixed in error after persistent requests from Tom Reed's camp. So he's going back on it, being like, no, I didn't sign that.

[A]

They forged it, apparently.

[B]

But everyone's like, okay, who cares? Whatever, it's legit. 2019, the town determined that the monument had been placed on town property without proper authorization, and they removed it.

[A]

That's so petty.

[B]

And it's also like, is that where you want to spend your time and money?

[A]

It's £5,000.

[B]

Like, if anything, is this not going to attract more tourists to come and give your small local businesses, drink your coffee, eat your sandwiches, buy your postcards, because they're coming to see this plaque. Like, leave it.

[A]

Where's the plaque now? Where do you move a 5,000 pound monument?

[B]

That's true. Where is it?

[A]

In the basement of City Hall.

[B]

It's somewhere. It's in Charlie Baker's basement. The Great Barrington Historical Society also quietly walked back their support of what happened.

[A]

Why?

[B]

They said they had been a bit too focused on one individual, which people are thinking is in reference to Tom Reed.

[A]

This is a smear campaign.

[B]

Literally. Like, who is. Are the aliens buying you off? Like, what is happening here? So, yeah, they got all of this recognition that what they experienced was real and corroborated and part of local history. And then like within a couple years, they're like, never walk it back. Yep. But for those who experienced it, it was very real and worth talking about. Tom Reed has dedicated a significant portion of his adult life to documenting, advocating for and fighting to legitimize his family's experiences.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He founded a non profit. He pushed for the monument. He appeared on Ancient Aliens, Alien Mysteries, which are Discovery Channel shows, and Then the Netflix reboot of Unsolved Mysteries. Now, of course, there are plenty of people out there who are like, this is a hoax. That's all we have to say to that. It's like, how is it a hoax? How can you make people who've never talked about it for decades, who don't even know each other.

[A]

I just, like, don't even want to give that type of person the time of day. Like, you're not worth. You're not worthy of my time.

[B]

Yeah, well, I feel the same way. Look at what I wrote. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just bolted it. It's like, they're skeptics. Blah, blah, blah, blah. We don't need to go into that. What we do know is that there are things that happen in the Berkshires that cannot be explained. We can't tell you what it is or why, but we can tell you that whatever happened on September 1, 1969, had a real cost to the human beings involved.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Melanie Kirchner was locked in a basement by her family. She had to deal with decades of physical consequences and medical pain from that night.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

Nancy Reed, Tom's mother, was openly mocked, humiliated, tormented in her restaurant in front of her children. There was actually a point where someone came in and was like, oh, do you want to see something out of this world? And, like, exposed their penis to her. Like, disgusting. And then her kids were starting to be experiencing some of the same sort of treatment. And so she was like, this town isn't for us anymore. So it actually got to the point where she sold the diner and they left town because she was like, I don't want to be, like, bullied and mocked. And it's, like, one thing for me to be, but, like, for my kids to be too. Yeah, they left.

[A]

People suck.

[B]

They do. And then her. They left. But her kids still had alien encounters throughout their lives. Geez. Tommy Warner dealt with not being believed. And he has always loved art. You know, he was inside before the abduction, coloring.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he turned to art and basically started to paint what he was experiencing and paint what he saw to make him feel better. And he did paint, which you can see in the YouTube episode, a depiction of him just getting, like, beamed up by a ufo. Painted what he saw. And that also appears in the Unsolved Mysteries episode. Jane Green hid her experience for years until the US Navy admitted to seeing strange UFOs. She felt very uncomfortable with the idea of the extreme ridicule that comes with experiencing something. Unidentified Like, I Don't even know what to call it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Something unknown.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all of these people are not people who are seeking fame. These are not people who are trying to create some giant hoax together. These are people who spent decades in silence because they didn't want any attention at all. But they all have one thing in common. On September 1, 1969, in Western Massachusetts, they encountered something non human. They all saw a UFO in the Berkshires.

[A]

And there's countless of people, numbers of people who were also potentially abducted that have not come forward with their stories or don't remember being abducted.

[B]

Plus, there's people who just were calling into the radio station, being like, I think there's something strange happening. That they didn't have a story like this, but there was something, a strange flash in the sky or something that was worthy of reporting.

[A]

What if aliens have, like, a quota that every month they're supposed to fill? And for abductions, I guess it was September 1st, though. But they were like, shoot, August was really bad. We gotta start September. Like, their, like, manager came down and had, like, a stern talking to them.

[B]

You're never gonna make it by the end of Q4 if you don't get this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You.

[A]

You have to do a certain amount of billable hours.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

They're just trying to do their job.

[B]

On Labor Day weekend, we're supposed to relax.

[A]

Damn, that's wild.

[B]

I was like, I don't even remember watching this episode before. And I definitely binged the whole series. Yeah.

[A]

When it came out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I started second guessing myself. Like, did we cover this before? But I don't remember any.

[A]

We haven't that. But it is interesting how, like, with all the cases we have covered of abductions and stuff, like, there's so many

[B]

similarities, so many, it cannot be explained away to the skeptics. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[A]

Meat fist.

[B]

Whoa. The threat has been escalated.

[A]

I have a listener story from our buddy Bobby, and he's from Ohio. Nice. Hi, my name is Bobbi. I'm from Ohio. Although I'm often skeptical, I definitely believe in the supernatural and paranormal. I'm new to listening to podcasts, but instantly fell in love with yours. I love the mix of the known supernatural and the viewer write in. So here's my own experience. I have three stories of my own and another one that happened in the same home where I had my biggest experience. But I'll save the best for last. And there's a couple stories, but, like, one is a ufo. My first ever memory was seeing something Paranormal. Which was when I was a kid, somewhere around the fifth or sixth grade. I was in my bedroom that I shared with my brother. It was nighttime, and I saw this strange green light in my window. Whatever it was maintained the same shape and size, unlike headlights that can change as they dance through your window across your house. My bedroom was situated on the corner of the house. And I watched this oddly shaped light slide past my window and. And around the side of my house. And I never saw it again. I like that. Bobby says it's paranormal or something unexplained. A ufo? Which might explain the next story. Maybe Bobby was being watched too.

[B]

Oh. Just thought that these were like, oh, I just watched the lights go by the window. It's like, no, you were watching them leave after you probably lost your time and were abducted. That was your memory of getting returned.

[A]

Mm. When I was about 22, I became friends with this guy at work. And we got to talking and he said that there had been some weird happenings near his home, and he thoroughly believed it was aliens. And it happened multiple times. I still to this day do not know what I witnessed. The day he invited me to his house. This guy lived pretty much in the middle of nowhere. You can barely see neighbors. And the front of his house was a decent sized cornfield. That's perfect place for alien abductions. His house is set at the back of a longer than average gravel driveway. And that night we got some takeout and sat and waited in his driveway for whatever he had been seeing. A few hours went by, and I finally got to witness what he had been talking about. Out of nowhere, this bright white ball of light came zooming in. And it's hard to tell what size it was as it came in the air, but probably around the size of a small motorcycle. As it came in, it came to a dead stop and hovered over the cornfield right above the tree line. This was nothing like a typical plane or helicopter. And as it moved, it hovered and it made zero sound. It didn't stay long. It just hovered in place for probably less than a minute, then took off extremely fast in a diagonal pattern where it got higher in the sky and got further away again, still making zero sound. We never really talked about it after that night. And I still don't know what to make of it. But for sure it's in my book of paranormal experiences.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also, it just makes me think of what's the Matthew McConaughey space movie?

[B]

Interstellar.

[A]

Interstellar. It makes me think of how they were running out of crops. The crops were all dying.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And are the aliens coming to get the seeds of the corn?

[B]

Is that why they were sent out?

[A]

I'm pretty sure they were going out to find something about. In order to save Earth. Because all of the crops were dying.

[B]

I think Matt. Wasn't it the Matt Damon. I think Matt's movie.

[A]

The Martian.

[B]

The Martian. Because he was like a plant expert. Going to see if they could.

[A]

Yeah. But he got stuck on Mars.

[B]

Grow things. Oh, he just happened to.

[A]

He got left behind. Knowledge of horticulture to survive. Yeah. I rewatched that recently because it's the same guy who did Project Hail Mary. And I loved Project Hail Mary so much that I watched.

[B]

Apparently Adam Sandler has a movie that is very similar to Project Hail Mary.

[A]

Really?

[B]

That came out a few years ago. It's like basically the same premise.

[A]

Huh. Never watched that Adam Sandler alien movie.

[B]

Also is a spaceman. If you can learn about that space man. Learn about it by watching the movie.

[A]

You can learn about Adam Sandler's journey to space. Very real, not fictional.

[B]

And his encounter with a spider like alien.

[A]

Okay. The next two stories happened on the same property. One is a personal encounter from me and my friend and the other was shared with me. So my friend had always felt that her property was haunted. The main point of attraction was a really old red rusted pickup truck that was abandoned on her property from previous owners.

[B]

Immediately, I think of Charlie's truck in Twilight.

[A]

Oh, I think of House of Wax. The guy who's like dumping deer carcasses.

[B]

Nice. Two different associations. Board associations.

[A]

Yep. So on this particular night, she had a large group of friends over to use her bonfire and camp. She had an extremely long driveway which doubled as a Runway because her dad was a private pilot. Casual. At the end of the Runway on the left side was thick woods with a clearing. We set up a bonfire over there and ample room for tents. But on the other side of the Runway was this old, abandoned, red rusted truck. Before it got dark, we were all warned to visit the truck at our own risk.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Because whatever is attached to the truck does not like to be bothered.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Also, earlier in the day, I was helping my friend set up for our bonfire and camping when her dog came running out of the woods holding a skull in its mouth. We looked at it and it looked to belong to a sheep, which already freaked us out. So it's night and a group of us still wanted to go explore the track. So we did. We didn't really do Anything besides going near it and looking in the windows. And honestly, we were all like, it's just a truck, nothing weird. But then it got darker. It was a warm summer night. We had a large bonfire going, and we had a car running to play music, when out of nowhere, that car just shut off. The owner and I walked around to the driver's side to investigate, and that's when I noticed the drastic temperature change. Outside, it was around 75 degrees, but as soon as you walked over to the car, it was significantly colder. Like 10 to 15 degrees colder.

[B]

Ooh. Ooh, that's so creepy.

[A]

We were able to get the car started back up, no problem. And shortly after that, we heard a noise coming from the Runway. A few people and I went to go investigate. And at the end of the Runway, like I said, was this thick forest. But coming from the forest, heading up towards the main road, were two horses, except they didn't look normal. They were massive, and they were both solid black in a way that seemed darker than the night itself, making them fully visible as more of a shadow or a silhouette.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

The only light in that area was that of the summer moon. These horses didn't seem harmful in any way, but it was weird, and we all kind of felt mesmerized, like, wow, look at this beautiful thing we're seeing. But then, as they disappeared, our nerves really hit this limit, because between the randomly dying car, the drastic change of temperature, and the lack of a better term spirit horses, we decided to call it a night. Me and two other friends got into the tent and I tried to go to sleep. However, the night was not over yet, because as we lay there staring up at the ceiling of the tent, this gentle breeze began pulling back the tarp, letting us see the nighttime sky. This continued for a few minutes, where the tarp would slowly peel back to reveal the nighttime sky and then fall back down. It was almost as if, like, something was lifting it up so we could see the sky and then covering it again. I knew it was nothing, but my friends and I were all terrified. And so we were like, let's not sleep here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We all got in our car and began driving down the long driveway. We're all in one car. Our intention was just to get off the property, and right as the front bumper hit the exit to the main road, our car died without warning.

[B]

Ooh, I don't like this.

[A]

We frantically tried to get the car back on, and after several tries, we finally did and were able to get out. We were driving down the road Trying to figure out where to go. And it was then that I got a text from an unknown number that said, my name is Emily Rose, and tonight at midnight, I will be sitting at the foot of your bed if you don't forward this to 10 people.

[B]

Was this the time of the haunting of Emily Rose? Maybe.

[A]

But to get it at that exact time?

[B]

Yeah, that's freaky.

[A]

So instead of going for food after that text, I asked my friends to bring me to my car. I got back on that haunted property, got in my car, drove home very fast. What a night. Also, later on, we found out from my friend's dad that one of the sheep just got sick and died. He put it in the woods for local wildlife to eat. So that was why the dog had found the skull. But my last story was on that same property. I was not there, but my friend who lived on the property told me this story. And it happened shortly after our bonfire night experience. Both she and her friend were in her bedroom when her friend decided to go outside to smoke. When she got to the door that led to the deck, she saw what looked like a woman ghost dressed in a really old style of clothes, just sitting on the stairs. Instead of going outside, she went back to my friend's bedroom, and before she could explain what happened, my friend said her eyes rolled back in her head and she started to laugh.

[B]

But this is way too many experiences for one email. I feel like this is like, are you okay?

[A]

I mean, at least Bobby's not experienced

[B]

all of them, right? But Bobby is around haunted friends and haunted people.

[A]

Bobby. It didn't last long, as far as I know. And they never saw that ghost again. But during this episode of laughter, a metal cross fell off the wall, hit the bed, and broke. After I heard this experience for my friend, I decided, yeah, I definitely don't want to go back to that house ever again. And haven't, over time, this friend and I lost contact. So I will never know if anything else has happened on that property. But, damn, I can say probably most likely that's from Bobby.

[B]

Well, shit, Bobby, you've seen aliens.

[A]

You've seen.

[B]

You've seen aliens that you blamed as being just a paranormal experience.

[A]

Well, I also felt like the car stopping and car dying is such a similar experience that people have with aliens.

[B]

Yeah, see, that one's tough because that's like, yeah, it totally fits alien abduction, but it also fits kind of like electronics time, like entering other dimension portal time, glitch situation, or. I feel like sometimes when people talk about, like, Encounters with flush pedestrians and, like, other things like that. They're meant to be for the hills to try to keep you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Stuck there.

[A]

Someone said that they were trying to listen to. And this is a car malfunction situation, but it's also, I think, Sven. Hey, um, looking out, looking out for all of our listeners. Someone tried to listen to part one of Harold the Haunted Doll, and they were in their car and just as we were saying, like, hey, maybe don't listen while you're driving. Or if you do really just set intentions, their car, like, started glitching and the podcast wouldn't play. They tried to, like, play it multiple times. It would not play the episode. And they were like, okay, I'm taking this as a sign as something does not want me to listen while driving.

[B]

Yeah, well, that is definitely a good thing that you took that as sign. Yeah.

[A]

If you're listening to our podcast and it starts to glitch and, like, doesn't want you to listen to it, we're okay with that.

[B]

Listen later or just. Yeah, take a break. Change your setting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Choose a different day. Go listen somewhere else.

[A]

Choose to listen to the signs. Yes, they're all around us signs.

[B]

Did you say science signs? Oh, I put it. The science and science.

[A]

I mean, the same, right.

[B]

What is science?

[A]

What are aliens anyway? We don't have questions. I mean, we, We.

[B]

Okay, we gotta go.

[A]

Yeah, I needed a break.

[B]

I just like, squawk laughs too. We. We definitely need a break.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. So email us your experiences with aliens. Let us know if you, too were abducted In September of 1969 in the Berkshires, and this episode is recalling your memory and you want to. You want to get it out there, share it with us. Yeah. Email [e-mail] if you want episodes one week early and ad free. Go check us out on Patreon or any of the subscriptions. But Patreon, I feel like, has not. I feel like definitely has more bang for your buck. More benefits, bonuses, bonus content, different events and stuff. So that's the spiel. You know it.

[B]

Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces our podcast and is probably going to be mad at me for how many times I'm moving away from my mic now. She'd never be mad at me, but

[A]

she would be like, hey, but she's gonna say, can you put your microphone closer to your face?

[B]

Shout out, jamie, Jamie, we love you

[A]

and we love all of you, and

[B]

we will see you on the other side.

[A]

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