Haunted with Astrologer Aliza Kelly and the Bell Witch

Two Girls One Ghost — “Haunted with Astrologer Aliza Kelly and the Bell Witch”

Podcast: Two Girls One Ghost
Hosts: Corinne Vien & Sabrina Deana-Roga
Guest: Astrologer Aliza Kelly
Date: December 16, 2025
Episode Theme: Exploring the infamous Bell Witch haunting with a fresh astrological analysis by Aliza Kelly, questioning whether fate and the stars aligned to make this haunting inevitable.

Episode Overview

This special episode reunites Corinne, Sabrina, and popular astrologer Aliza Kelly for a deep-dive into the Bell Witch, a legendary American haunting. The hosts recap the notorious 19th-century Tennessee case and then collaborate with Aliza to examine the astrological energies at work during key milestones in the Bell Witch saga. By combining history, personal theories, and astrology, they investigate whether cosmic forces played a role in this chilling story.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion with Astrologer Aliza Kelly

[01:00] Sabrina and Corinne celebrate having Aliza Kelly back, a year after her previous (eerily accurate) readings for them, noting, “There were some personal parts of it…her reading was basically completely spot on.”
Aliza’s task today: Use astrology to analyze the Bell Witch haunting, focusing on the stars at pivotal moments of the case.

2. Bell Witch Case Recap

Setting: Adams, Tennessee, early 1800s
Victims: The Bell family

[03:53] Corinne: “This story starts in the rolling farmland of Adams, Tennessee…known as the Bell Witch Cave. The legend is so chilling that even President Andrew Jackson is said to have paid this poltergeist a visit.”

Chronology

1804: John Bell buys land and moves his family in.
1817: Unusual events begin—John sees a creature with a dog’s body and rabbit’s head ([06:00]).
Paranormal escalation:
- Scratching noises grow nightly,
- Chains dragging, whispering voices, bed covers yanked, children slapped and pinched.
- Activity focuses on John Bell and daughter Betsy (Elizabeth).
- John’s health deteriorates.

Unique Features of the Haunting

The entity communicates verbally—an unusual poltergeist trait.
The spirit eventually identifies itself as “Kate,” allegedly the ghost of neighbor Kate Batts, linked to land disputes with John Bell ([10:00]).

Community Encounters

Town rumor grows; outsiders witness supernatural events.
[11:52] Sabrina: “Future president Andrew Jackson…decided from Nashville to come…with a posse.”

Violence and Death

Attacks intensify; John Bell suffers targeted violence.
[15:16] One morning in 1820, John is found dead beside a vial of black liquid.
The entity boasts: “‘I gave old Jack a big dose of that last night, which fixed him.’” [15:55]

Aftermath

At John’s funeral, the Bell Witch’s laughter is heard.
Betsy Bell’s engagement breaks off after relentless hauntings, possibly as protection.

Legacy

The Bell Witch cave remains active; visitors report encounters.
“Many believe that this is her…permanent dwelling place.” [19:43]

3. Theories & Feminist Framing of the Bell Witch

Corinne and Sabrina question the typical narrative painting the witch as evil, suggesting she may have been protective of women in the Bell family, especially Betsy.
[17:26] Sabrina: “She did get married to another man…The Bell Witch had nothing to say about him.”
They debate whether “Kate” was scapegoated or represented energies connected to the land.
[28:00] Sabrina floats the idea that traumatic human experiences can “chip off” and become autonomous spiritual energies.

4. Astrology of the Bell Witch: Uncovering Celestial Patterns

Aliza’s Approach

For historical mysteries, she focuses on slow-moving, generational planets (Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto) as they shape collective destiny.

Key Dates and Astrological Events

A. Property Purchase: June 1, 1804

[32:39] Aliza: “Gemini Sun and Pisces Moon…Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Venus, and the Moon…all locked in at similar degrees—a vortex energy.”
“Sets this tone for working with these outer planets in an active way…one of the reasons I’m sort of imagining this to be more of a historical entity…America at this time was so haunted.”

B. The Start of Hauntings: 1817

[39:16] Outer planets lock in again—another rare pattern.
“Saturn at 5° Pisces, Jupiter at 5° Sagittarius…for these two to be at the same degree is gonna happen maybe once every 12 years.”
Aliza notes the Saturnian timeline: “Seven years is a quarter Saturn cycle…30 is a Saturn return…This is a Saturn story.”

C. Haunting Intensifies: Saturn Returns, Pisces Clustering

[41:54] “Saturn at 5° Pisces, Juno at 11°, Chiron at 21°, Pluto at 25°, plus Moon and North Node…all in Pisces—last zodiac sign, ruler of psychic boundaries, otherworldly energy.”
“It’s giving tsunami. The flood is coming.”

D. John Bell’s Death: December 19-20, 1820

[55:49] “Sun-Uranus conjunction at 28-29° Sagittarius...Neptune exactly at 0° Capricorn—endings and beginnings. Pisces planets (Jupiter, North Node, Pluto, Chiron) cluster, echoing this year’s astrological setup—a haunting nodal return.”
[59:54] Sabrina: “So, like, we are…”
Aliza: “It’s cool—it’s almost like it needed to be talked about.”

E. Betsy Bell’s Liberation: April 16-20, 1821

[71:10] Aliza: “The biggest pile-up in Aries I have ever seen—Mercury, Chiron, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Sun—all in Aries, on a full moon.”
“A big, radical shift from Pisces’ supernatural floods to Aries’ new beginnings…rebirth and closure.”

Astrology’s Verdict

Aliza emphasizes that the cycles marked by key events match classic astrological archetypes of endings, karmic lessons, and rebirths.
“These planetary markers show a fated-ness…It’s a Saturn story, a story of justice and cycles.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Recognizing the Witch’s Motives

Corinne ([17:34]): “I don’t…view her as evil or malicious. I view her as…”
Sabrina: “Well, I don’t know, she was like…it’s an abusive relationship. She’s trying to be involved in someone’s relationship and looking out for them…”
Aliza, on the feminist perspective ([75:01]): “Was the Bell Witch trying to protect the women in this family?...I will go on every supernatural show ever and be like, ‘Let’s hear from the perspective of the entity.’”

Shady Side of John Bell

[36:12] Aliza: “Did you know that John Bell was excommunicated…because he was overcharging for interest? Usury…He was shady.”

Chilling Coincidences

[59:26] Aliza: “Right now the nodal return of John Bell’s death…This is at 17 degrees right now…it’s going to be at 17 by the end of today.”
Corinne: “Is that the moment that…the wind was knocked out of you? Because that is really spooky.”

Cyclical Justice

[62:35] Aliza: “So much of the origins of witchcraft is people being persecuted, living on their own, trying to…fend off land thieves. She was defending herself in some way.”

Astrological Takeaway

[84:51] Aliza summing up 2026 astrologically: “Loud.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------| | 01:00 | Reunion with Aliza Kelly | | 03:53 | Bell Witch investigation begins | | 10:01 | The “Kate” identity & land dispute | | 15:55 | Bell Witch boasts of killing John Bell | | 19:43 | Current hauntings at the cave | | 26:46 | Astrology explained for historical cases| | 32:39 | Analysis of June 1, 1804 property chart | | 39:16 | Haunting’s astrological “lock” of 1817 | | 41:54 | Intense Pisces cluster—mystical flood | | 55:49 | John Bell’s death, cosmic turning point | | 59:26 | Nodal return: synastry with today’s sky | | 71:10 | Betsy’s breakup and Aries stellium | | 75:01 | Was the Bell Witch a protector? | | 84:51 | What does 2026 look like? (“Loud.”) |

Final Thoughts & Call for Listener Theories

Corinne: “I feel like she was just getting a bad rep. But I love that the stars back it up. So cool.” [78:40]
Sabrina: “Now we want to know what everyone else thinks…Who do you think she is and what’s happening?” [79:21]

Listener Challenge: If you experience paranormal activity or hear unexplained voices while listening, let the hosts know—many fans have reported spooky phenomena linked to this podcast.

Tone and Style

The episode blends warmth, humor, skepticism, and open curiosity (“the tea”), making dense astrology accessible through storytelling and lively banter. Quotes are often irreverent, with the hosts and guest alike poking fun at both history’s villains and their own ghoulish fascinations.

For Further Exploration

Visit Two Girls One Ghost Patreon for extended content and readings.
Listen for EVPs—your own Bell Witch moment may be imminent…

Two Girls One Ghost — “Haunted with Astrologer Aliza Kelly and the Bell Witch”

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion with Astrologer Aliza Kelly

[01:00] Sabrina and Corinne celebrate having Aliza Kelly back, a year after her previous (eerily accurate) readings for them, noting, “There were some personal parts of it…her reading was basically completely spot on.”
Aliza’s task today: Use astrology to analyze the Bell Witch haunting, focusing on the stars at pivotal moments of the case.

2. Bell Witch Case Recap

Setting: Adams, Tennessee, early 1800s
Victims: The Bell family

[03:53] Corinne: “This story starts in the rolling farmland of Adams, Tennessee…known as the Bell Witch Cave. The legend is so chilling that even President Andrew Jackson is said to have paid this poltergeist a visit.”

Chronology

1804: John Bell buys land and moves his family in.
1817: Unusual events begin—John sees a creature with a dog’s body and rabbit’s head ([06:00]).
Paranormal escalation:
- Scratching noises grow nightly,
- Chains dragging, whispering voices, bed covers yanked, children slapped and pinched.
- Activity focuses on John Bell and daughter Betsy (Elizabeth).
- John’s health deteriorates.

Unique Features of the Haunting

The entity communicates verbally—an unusual poltergeist trait.
The spirit eventually identifies itself as “Kate,” allegedly the ghost of neighbor Kate Batts, linked to land disputes with John Bell ([10:00]).

Community Encounters

Town rumor grows; outsiders witness supernatural events.
[11:52] Sabrina: “Future president Andrew Jackson…decided from Nashville to come…with a posse.”

Violence and Death

Attacks intensify; John Bell suffers targeted violence.
[15:16] One morning in 1820, John is found dead beside a vial of black liquid.
The entity boasts: “‘I gave old Jack a big dose of that last night, which fixed him.’” [15:55]

Aftermath

At John’s funeral, the Bell Witch’s laughter is heard.
Betsy Bell’s engagement breaks off after relentless hauntings, possibly as protection.

Legacy

The Bell Witch cave remains active; visitors report encounters.
“Many believe that this is her…permanent dwelling place.” [19:43]

3. Theories & Feminist Framing of the Bell Witch

Corinne and Sabrina question the typical narrative painting the witch as evil, suggesting she may have been protective of women in the Bell family, especially Betsy.
[17:26] Sabrina: “She did get married to another man…The Bell Witch had nothing to say about him.”
They debate whether “Kate” was scapegoated or represented energies connected to the land.
[28:00] Sabrina floats the idea that traumatic human experiences can “chip off” and become autonomous spiritual energies.

4. Astrology of the Bell Witch: Uncovering Celestial Patterns

Aliza’s Approach

For historical mysteries, she focuses on slow-moving, generational planets (Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto) as they shape collective destiny.

Key Dates and Astrological Events

A. Property Purchase: June 1, 1804

[32:39] Aliza: “Gemini Sun and Pisces Moon…Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Venus, and the Moon…all locked in at similar degrees—a vortex energy.”
“Sets this tone for working with these outer planets in an active way…one of the reasons I’m sort of imagining this to be more of a historical entity…America at this time was so haunted.”

B. The Start of Hauntings: 1817

[39:16] Outer planets lock in again—another rare pattern.
“Saturn at 5° Pisces, Jupiter at 5° Sagittarius…for these two to be at the same degree is gonna happen maybe once every 12 years.”
Aliza notes the Saturnian timeline: “Seven years is a quarter Saturn cycle…30 is a Saturn return…This is a Saturn story.”

C. Haunting Intensifies: Saturn Returns, Pisces Clustering

[41:54] “Saturn at 5° Pisces, Juno at 11°, Chiron at 21°, Pluto at 25°, plus Moon and North Node…all in Pisces—last zodiac sign, ruler of psychic boundaries, otherworldly energy.”
“It’s giving tsunami. The flood is coming.”

D. John Bell’s Death: December 19-20, 1820

[55:49] “Sun-Uranus conjunction at 28-29° Sagittarius...Neptune exactly at 0° Capricorn—endings and beginnings. Pisces planets (Jupiter, North Node, Pluto, Chiron) cluster, echoing this year’s astrological setup—a haunting nodal return.”
[59:54] Sabrina: “So, like, we are…”
Aliza: “It’s cool—it’s almost like it needed to be talked about.”

E. Betsy Bell’s Liberation: April 16-20, 1821

[71:10] Aliza: “The biggest pile-up in Aries I have ever seen—Mercury, Chiron, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Sun—all in Aries, on a full moon.”
“A big, radical shift from Pisces’ supernatural floods to Aries’ new beginnings…rebirth and closure.”

Astrology’s Verdict

Aliza emphasizes that the cycles marked by key events match classic astrological archetypes of endings, karmic lessons, and rebirths.
“These planetary markers show a fated-ness…It’s a Saturn story, a story of justice and cycles.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Recognizing the Witch’s Motives

Corinne ([17:34]): “I don’t…view her as evil or malicious. I view her as…”
Sabrina: “Well, I don’t know, she was like…it’s an abusive relationship. She’s trying to be involved in someone’s relationship and looking out for them…”
Aliza, on the feminist perspective ([75:01]): “Was the Bell Witch trying to protect the women in this family?...I will go on every supernatural show ever and be like, ‘Let’s hear from the perspective of the entity.’”

Shady Side of John Bell

[36:12] Aliza: “Did you know that John Bell was excommunicated…because he was overcharging for interest? Usury…He was shady.”

Chilling Coincidences

[59:26] Aliza: “Right now the nodal return of John Bell’s death…This is at 17 degrees right now…it’s going to be at 17 by the end of today.”
Corinne: “Is that the moment that…the wind was knocked out of you? Because that is really spooky.”

Cyclical Justice

[62:35] Aliza: “So much of the origins of witchcraft is people being persecuted, living on their own, trying to…fend off land thieves. She was defending herself in some way.”

Astrological Takeaway

[84:51] Aliza summing up 2026 astrologically: “Loud.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

Final Thoughts & Call for Listener Theories

Corinne: “I feel like she was just getting a bad rep. But I love that the stars back it up. So cool.” [78:40]
Sabrina: “Now we want to know what everyone else thinks…Who do you think she is and what’s happening?” [79:21]

Listener Challenge: If you experience paranormal activity or hear unexplained voices while listening, let the hosts know—many fans have reported spooky phenomena linked to this podcast.

Tone and Style

For Further Exploration

Visit Two Girls One Ghost Patreon for extended content and readings.
Listen for EVPs—your own Bell Witch moment may be imminent…

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Summary

Two Girls One Ghost — “Haunted with Astrologer Aliza Kelly and the Bell Witch”

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion with Astrologer Aliza Kelly

2. Bell Witch Case Recap

Chronology

Unique Features of the Haunting

Community Encounters

Violence and Death

Aftermath

Legacy

3. Theories & Feminist Framing of the Bell Witch

4. Astrology of the Bell Witch: Uncovering Celestial Patterns

Key Dates and Astrological Events

Astrology’s Verdict

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Recognizing the Witch’s Motives

Shady Side of John Bell

Chilling Coincidences

Cyclical Justice

Astrological Takeaway

Timestamps for Important Segments

Final Thoughts & Call for Listener Theories

Tone and Style

For Further Exploration

Summary

Two Girls One Ghost — “Haunted with Astrologer Aliza Kelly and the Bell Witch”

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reunion with Astrologer Aliza Kelly

2. Bell Witch Case Recap

Chronology

Unique Features of the Haunting

Community Encounters

Violence and Death

Aftermath

Legacy

3. Theories & Feminist Framing of the Bell Witch

4. Astrology of the Bell Witch: Uncovering Celestial Patterns

Key Dates and Astrological Events

Astrology’s Verdict

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Recognizing the Witch’s Motives

Shady Side of John Bell

Chilling Coincidences

Cyclical Justice

Astrological Takeaway

Timestamps for Important Segments

Final Thoughts & Call for Listener Theories

Tone and Style

For Further Exploration