Haunted with Paranormal Investigator Alex LeMay

Summary

Two Girls One Ghost Episode Title: Haunted with Paranormal Investigator Alex LeMay
Original Release: September 30, 2025
Hosts: Corinne Vien and Sabrina Deana-Roga
Guest: Alex LeMay, Paranormal Investigator

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the world of paranormal investigation with guest Alex LeMay, a prominent figure in the paranormal community famous for her investigations, haunted object collections, and custom-made investigative equipment. The conversation oscillates between personal hauntings, notorious haunted sites, ghostly mischief, shadow work, and deep philosophical questions about time, existence, and the lasting effects of trauma—in both the living and the dead.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Alex's Paranormal Origins and Sensitive Abilities

(03:00–06:17)

• Alex describes herself as having "always been haunted," starting from childhood "imaginary friends" which she now understands as spirit interactions.
• Recalls moving into a new apartment at age six and being greeted by the voice and presence of a spirit ("He was very nice to me... like, 'Oh, why are you having a bad day? Can I do anything for you?'" – Alex, 04:08).
• Experiences increased during puberty; sometimes couldn't distinguish living people from spirits for up to a minute ("I saw a lot where I was like, are you alive? Are you not alive?" – Alex, 06:44).
• Alex considers herself "sensitive to spirit," as she can sometimes see or feel spirits but doesn't identify strictly as a medium.

2. Early Hauntings: The Bathroom Intruder Incident

(06:59–09:33)

• Alex recounts an intense teenage experience where she and a friend believed a man was hiding in their bathroom—boots visible under the door, faucet running—only for police to find nothing. This validated the experience as paranormal and not just imagination.
• “I think it happens to me more because I've leaned into it so much. I'm so curious as to what's going on. Those experiences lit this fire in me." – Alex, 05:25

3. Life with Haunted Objects and Boundaries

(10:12–15:31)

• Alex owns haunted dolls and takes good care of them, keeping the more intense ones in the garage and the “nicer” ones in her room ("As long as they're nice to me, everything's fine." – Alex, 12:19).
• Stresses the importance of setting verbal boundaries, both for safety and respect ("Boundaries are very important when they're in your possession." – Alex, 12:35).
• Outlines basic protocols for haunted objects: clear communication, stating rules aloud, monitoring how she feels around them, moving misbehaving ones further away.

4. Haunted Object Mishaps and Ethics of Rehoming

(18:56–21:04)

• Humorously shares the story of turning a doll into a REM pod, only for accidents, tech malfunctions, and general chaos to ensue—interpreted as the doll's anger ("So I'm, like, on my desk, I'm cutting her head open... and I burned myself really bad. And I was like, oh, my gosh, what was that?" – Alex, 19:12).
• Ultimately rehomed the “spicy” doll safely and felt the attachment break ("The act of packing it away, saying goodbye in itself is good enough." – Alex, 21:04).

5. Bringing Haunted Objects to Investigations

(22:21–23:43)

• She sometimes takes active haunted dolls on investigations, particularly ones equipped with sensors—though one is “so dramatic” it breaks its face often and is now left at home.
• The humor and chaos from these objects bring comic relief ("She says a few words and smashes her face open. Like, that is very dramatic." – Corinne, 23:44).

6. Notable Investigations and Spirit Interventions

Favorite Experience (26:27–31:15):

• At age 12, Alex woke up at a friend's house to see a figure she thought was her friend's mom, witnessing the figure lock the door before a break-in attempt. Later learned it was her friend's deceased grandmother who likely protected them ("That was this pinnacle moment for me." – Alex, 29:03).
• "It also makes me wonder, like, you know, how many times do we have some sort of spiritual intervention that's helping us through life or saving us from certain things, and we don't recognize it..." – Corinne, 30:00

Scariest Experience – Waverly Hills
(32:05–39:00):

• Investigated the morgue at Waverly Hills Sanatorium, crawling into a body drawer alone to question an entity believed to cause attachments.
• Used a REM pod that consistently signaled “yes” to questions about malevolence, feeding on fear, and causing harm:
  • “Are you malevolent?” Yes.
  • “Are you feeding off people’s fear?” Yes.
  • “Were you created through human intervention?” Yes.
  • “Do you want to do harm to people?” Yes.
  • “Are you the one attaching to everybody?” Yes.
    ("It had this sense of, like, desperateness... it absolutely needs the fear." – Alex, 37:51)
• Felt a sense of “impending doom,” reinforcing the seriousness and dangers of certain hauntings.

7. Philosophy: Power, Manifestation, and Trauma in Hauntings

(41:14–46:32)

• Alex believes much paranormal activity is shaped by human intention, belief, and fear.
  • “This is our plane, this is our realm, we have the absolute power... Believing that helps keep us protected." – Alex, 39:21
• Discusses why some traumatic hauntings (like the Smurl family case) seem to resolve spontaneously: lack of attention or belief causes them to “slowly disappear.”
• Conversation draws parallels between haunted places, collective consciousness, and manifestation: “If there's more than one person... saying this isn't haunted anymore, then it's not going to be haunted anymore.” – Alex, 42:09

8. Paranormal Humor: Ghost Fetishes and Teen Mischief

(47:25–54:52)

• Shares lighter investigations, such as a ghost named Roger with a foot fetish (“I put my foot up, and I was like, make the REM pod go off, and you'll get to see a toe. And I start, like, taking my sock off really slowly... Everything in the room is lighting up over me taking my sock off slowly.” – Alex, 49:00).
• Another case: spirit box repeatedly shouts "anal," causing collective giggles and highlighting the variety of ghostly personalities.

9. Deep Dive: Time, Reincarnation, and Shadow Work

(55:17–65:00)

• Philosophical musings inspired by a dream visitation from her father—who explained the non-linear nature of time after death, simultaneous reincarnation, and soul fragmentation.
• Moving discussion on EMDR therapy and the idea of “haunting places” with fragments of our own souls while alive ("You can actively haunt a place while you're still living somewhere else." – Corinne, 61:49).
• Emphasizes the healing power of spirit work for both the living and the dead: "Having that conversation and feeling seen is enough sometimes to help break that." – Alex, 62:26

10. Paranormal Tools: Building Custom Equipment

(66:28–70:58)

• Alex started making her own investigative equipment to deeply understand how they work, improving the integrity of her investigations.
• Most inventive tool: a handmade spirit-activated Ouija board that illuminates when touched.
• Favorite device: the SB7 Spirit Box, as she's so attuned to the sound that “I hear everything out of that.”
• Recommends Gary Galka’s filters and spirit boxes for clarity during live sessions.

11. Haunted Locations and the Allure of Bisbee

(71:32–73:04)

• Mentions the Copper Queen Hotel in Bisbee as one of her favorite and most reliably haunted sites for active investigation: "There's a lot of ghosts. There's one malevolent one… the staff are very aware of how haunted this place is." – Alex, 72:13

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Memorable Quotes

• On starting out:
  “It used to just be thinking that I had imaginary friends... but they weren't actually imaginary friends.” – Alex (02:51)
• On boundary setting with haunted objects:
  “As long as they're nice to me, everything's fine.” – Alex (12:19)
• On haunted objects finding her:
  “I don’t go out thinking I’m gonna go find a haunted doll... It just has happened.” – Alex (12:07)
• On Waverly Hills entity:
  “It needs... all of those horrible emotions that we're capable of feeling, and it'll do whatever it can to get that out of us.” – Alex (37:52)
• On spirits and time:
  “He was telling me that it all exists at the same time. Like, it’s on top of itself... Our soul isn’t this one defined thing. We can be in more than one place.” – Alex (56:53)
• On why she investigates:
  “Every time I got one question answered, I had more. And it’s just been never ending.” – Alex (29:36)
• On haunting and trauma:
  “It's like doing the shadow work, and some time in the mess of time that will—that haunting will no longer exist because that spirit has worked through that.” – Sabrina (59:08)
• On her style as a ghost:
  “I think I would love freaking people out. I think I would be so down with the white gown... like down the hall moving people's stuff around, stealing rings.” – Alex (55:17)
• On forming reality:
  “I think what we perceive is so powerful... if there's more than one person walking into a space and saying this isn't haunted anymore, then it's not going to be haunted anymore.” – Alex (42:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:55: Enthusiastic intro for Alex LeMay
• 03:00: Alex's early experiences and “imaginary friends”
• 07:20: The “bathroom intruder” ghost incident
• 10:12: Life with haunted objects
• 15:31: Best practices for interacting with haunted objects
• 18:56: Rehoming a haunted doll gone wrong
• 22:21: Haunted dolls on investigation
• 26:27: Favorite paranormal experience (spirit grandma saves them from an intruder)
• 32:05: Scariest investigation (Waverly Hills)
• 41:14: Power dynamics, faith, and manifesting hauntings
• 47:25: Ghost foot fetish (Roger the “REM pod” ghost)
• 55:17: What Alex would do as a ghost; shadow work and philosophical time
• 66:28: Designing custom paranormal equipment
• 71:32: Haunted Copper Queen Hotel in Bisbee

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Episode Vibe and Takeaways

Equal parts spooky, thoughtful, and irreverent, this episode’s tone vacillates between laughter, philosophical reflection, and hair-raising anecdotes. It's a must-listen for anyone curious about "the most haunted podcast in America," with practical tips on haunted objects, insights into how belief and boundaries shape the paranormal, and candid discussion on the healing power of seeing (and being seen by) both the living and the dead.

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Where to Find Alex LeMay

• All platforms: @itsAlexLemay (YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Substack, etc.)

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For Paranormal Enthusiasts:

• Trust your gut—set boundaries with spirits in your space, and always speak protections aloud.
• Paranormal experiences are shaped as much by our beliefs and intentions as by the unknown.
• Humor is inevitable (and necessary) when dealing with ghosts—sometimes they're just foot fetishists named Roger!

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Listen if you love: Haunted objects, paranormal investigation, trauma healing, metaphysical philosophy, and ghostly shenanigans, all served with warmth, humor, and curiosity.

Transcript

[Sabrina]

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[Alex Lemay]

Individual whose spirit is unyielding, unconstrained.

[Sabrina]

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[Alex Lemay]

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[Sabrina]

We are so excited for today's guest.

[Corinne]

We are beyond excited for today's guest.

[Sabrina]

Alex Lame is an icon in the paranormal space. And also we loved her from afar.

[Corinne]

For many years, for a long time.

[Sabrina]

But when we spoke with her, Corinne and I think fell in love with her and want to be her best friend and want to do paranormal investigations with her all the time or be a haunted doll in her collection.

[Corinne]

She's just the coolest. She's so kind and she makes paranormal.

[Sabrina]

Equipment and does a lot of investigations. This is a really fun episode and we hope you enjoy it as much as we enjoyed recording it.

[Alex Lemay]

Very spooky.

[Corinne]

Hello.

[Sabrina]

Hi, Alice.

[Alex Lemay]

Hello. Hi.

[Sabrina]

We're so glad you're here.

[Alex Lemay]

Thanks for having me.

[Sabrina]

You feel like a paranormal celebrity to us. So.

[Corinne]

Because we saw you on tv.

[Alex Lemay]

Yes.

[Corinne]

And then we were like, oh, my God, we're obsessed.

[Sabrina]

And then I also watch all of your Instagrams and all your videos and every time you just sit on the floor and talk to ghosts, I'm like, I'm glued in.

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, I love that. Oh, my gosh. It's crazy to hear from you guys because I'm also just as obsessed. I love all your episodes and everything. And when you asked me to be on here, I was like, oh, my God, I've made it. You know, it felt like that.

[Sabrina]

Well, it goes both ways.

[Corinne]

Yeah. I feel like we were learning a lot from you without you knowing that we're learning from you. But now we're gonna all learn together with you here.

[Alex Lemay]

Yes. I love that.

[Corinne]

To start out, how did you get into investigating the paranormal?

[Sabrina]

Are you haunted? Have you always been haunted? Tell us everything.

[Alex Lemay]

That's a good. It's a good way to put it. I have always been Haunted. It's true. It used to just be thinking that I had imaginary friends. I think a lot of us have similar stories where we had imaginary friends and they weren't actually imaginary friends.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. And that kind of just went into around high school, where I was like, okay, I'm. I'm not seeing things that aren't there. Because at this point, I had had experiences where I'd seen someone's grandmother who was no longer living, and they were able to say, oh, well, that sounds a lot like my grandmother. So I knew something was going on. And once I got to high school, I was so obsessed. I would have sleepovers where we would just play with talking boards and we would do candle magic and investigate my very haunted house at the time. So it's just kind of always been there. It's just always been haunted.

[Sabrina]

Wait, okay. Can we hear a little bit about your imaginary friends?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. This first one that I had, I think we moved into this apartment complex when I was around 6, and we walked in and I heard this guy say, hey, Alex, like, in a very deep voice. And when you're little, that's so freaky. And I remember crying, and my dad was like, oh, it's okay, it's okay. What did you hear? And I was like, there's a man in the house. Like, we can't. There's someone already living here, even though there clearly wasn't.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

But we moved in, and I only remember bits and pieces, but what I do remember is that he was this really tall man. He had. He was a darker complexion, and he wore a turban, and he had a really long beard. And it was very specific to. From what I've learned is Sikh people. So it's something that, as a six year old, I would not have any experience with. So he was there all the time, and he was very nice to me. And when I had bad days, he would, like, sit down and be like, oh, why are you having a bad day? Can I do anything for you?

[Sabrina]

Oh, my gosh.

[Corinne]

Wait. This is so nice.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, he was very kind to me.

[Corinne]

I need one of those right now.

[Sabrina]

Well, I also love that the second you guys, you got into that apartment, he knew who you were and was excited and greeting you.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. And it feels like that's happened my whole life. I feel like I walk into spaces and they're typically pretty nice, and they're like, oh, hey, let's chat. Like, now that you're here, I want to tell you my life story. Or Usually they're nice. I do have some like experiences with creepier, scarier ghosts. They're all just as excited, unfortunately. But the nice ones are also there, which I like to focus on a little bit and remind myself that they're not all bad.

[Corinne]

So does anyone else in your family experience this as well?

[Alex Lemay]

From what I've heard, my dad did when he was younger. My sister does a little bit. I think it happens to me the most because I've leaned into it so much. I'm so curious as to what's going on. Those experiences lit this fire in me where it's all I think about now. I'm like obsessed, which I'm sure you guys get.

[Sabrina]

Oh, absolutely. So would you say your. I guess, like what would you call or qualify yourself as? Do you have any Claire's? Are you psychic? A medium? How do you identify?

[Alex Lemay]

I just call myself sensitive. Say I'm sensitive to spirit. Cause it's a good umbrella term. I haven't really put myself into any like boxes or descriptors because I'm. I wouldn't consider myself a full on medium since that's not right what I'm doing. But I do see spirit occasionally, not all the time.

[Sabrina]

Have you ever had a situation where you walked into a place and you couldn't tell that they were spirit, but they were spirit? Like at first they.

[Alex Lemay]

Once or twice.

[Sabrina]

Really?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. That doesn't happen now that I'm older. I think that happens to you. From what I've researched, I think that happens to us mainly when we're going through puberty and we have a lot of emotions within us and the more emotions we carry, I think that feeds them to a degree so they can manifest to us more.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

And so when I was in high school, I saw a lot where I was like, are you alive? Are you not alive? And it would only happen for like maybe 60 seconds. And then I would realize that they weren't actually alive. But I've had moments, like 60 seconds.

[Sabrina]

That's still a long time.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, that is a long time. And I do have a story of this house that I was in when I was a teenager where that happened with a friend here. And it was the first time a friend had witnessed it. And it was so scary that we ended up calling the cops. So we thought a real person was in the house. And the cops showed up and they were like, there's no one here. Well, do you want to hear the story?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Alex Lemay]

So we had a sleepover. We were doing our normal thing and we walked across the street to go get snacks, came back, and we opened the door and realized that the bathroom door was shut, the light was on, and the faucet was on. So being home alone, we were like, that's crazy. Like, there's obviously someone broke in here. And I was like, me thinking, I know it's haunted. Maybe it's just a ghost. So I got on all fours and I looked under the thing, and I could see two boots. Like, there was a pair of boots underneath the door. So all you saw was this glow from it and these boots. And I got quiet, and I looked to my friend, and I was like, someone's here. Someone broke in. We need to call 91 1. So the faucet's still going. You can still see the boots. My friend runs out the front door and goes to the neighbors and calls 911. And I'm standing there just like, do I run? Is a man gonna kill me? Because there's so many things that go in your mind, like, did somebody break in? Is it a ghost? Because at the time, things had been happening, like, the garage door would open and close. The doors would open and close. So I was on the fence with whatever it could have been. Then his feet disappeared, and Kelly, my friend, came running in, and I was like, I think it's a ghost. I don't see him anymore. And she's like, oh, he's standing on the toilet. So we're, like, freaking out. And then the faucet turns off, and the cops arrive, and we're, like, freaking out at this point, thinking that there really is a man in there. The cops arrive, they open the door, and there's no one in there. Like, there was no one in there. And there's no way they could have jumped out the window because the window's too small for a man in boobs.

[Sabrina]

Right. And you've been standing outside of the door like, you know, no one's left.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. So it was this experience where it had to have been a ghost. I still don't know. I still don't know.

[Sabrina]

That's wild.

[Alex Lemay]

And the cops looked at us like.

[Corinne]

That'S also so scary to be in that. Like, sort of in between, where you're like, okay, well, I've been experiencing a lot, so could this be a spirit? Or is this. Because then you're standing there like, what if it really was someone and they opened the door.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, I was preparing myself. I was like, what could I grab to hit him with? Like, I was prepared to fight back. If he was really a guy. But, yeah, it ended up being a ghost.

[Corinne]

We say this all the time. Like, the paranormal can be so scary, but people are way scarier.

[Sabrina]

Way scarier.

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, for sure. That's what kept me there, is thinking it was a ghost. If I really thought it was a guy, I think I would have hightailed it out of there. Right when I was on the fence, I was like, something weird. Something weird's happening.

[Sabrina]

I do like that you had a witness. Like it wasn't you by yourself.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, it was pretty fun. It was fun to have someone else there. I've had that happen one other time and we all. I don't know, I still contact them sometimes and I'm like, you remember when this happened? And we always have this, like, collective nostalgic moment where we're like, yeah. And now you do that all the time. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So what, what is your day to day life look like?

[Alex Lemay]

You know, I'm sitting in a room with haunted dolls on the wall over here. And there's one in a jar here on my desk. You know, she's got some weird energy to her. I think I'm obsessed is a good way to put it. I also have a side business that I've ran forever. It's called Moon goddess market, where it used to be more of a witchcraft supply store and now it's more just my art. But I've always had one hand in something metaphysical or strange. So if it's not full time ghost hunting, then it's making art or practicing witchcraft or talking to people who have, like, attachments and they want advice, things like that. It engulfs my day to day, so it's been really nice. I enjoy it.

[Sabrina]

I would love to just be a fly on the wall of your life.

[Alex Lemay]

I know. Yeah. Actually, come on over. You're welcome to come by anytime.

[Sabrina]

Like, when I die, I would love to be a haunted object in your possession.

[Alex Lemay]

I'd be really nice to you.

[Corinne]

How do you go about finding the objects?

[Alex Lemay]

You know what? I don't seek them out.

[Corinne]

Really. They find you?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they find me or what the deal is, because before I started owning a few of these, I never saw them anywhere. I feel like it's very hard to find anything that is truly haunted. And I came upon this doll in this weird estate sale that had all of the pictures of her life. Like, there's a photo from the early 1900s of the little girl and the doll that I had purchased at the time. And that was my first real haunted object. I was like, oh, I didn't think anything of it. I thought she was really pretty. But I started having dreams, and I got the spirit box out and thought it was just residual. It wasn't anything truly intelligent. Until she started answering me in intelligent ways where I was like, oh, this. This really is something, you know?

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

And since then, I think I'm drawn to it in a way that maybe I'm not even aware of, because I don't go out thinking I'm gonna go find a haunted doll or I'm gonna find a haunted talking board or Ouija board.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

It just has happened. And now I've got four of them in my possession that I think two of them are just residual energy, but the other two are kind of intense, and they're in little boxes. And I'm very nice to them. As long as they're nice to me, everything's fine.

[Sabrina]

Boundaries.

[Alex Lemay]

Yes. Boundaries are very important when they're in your possession.

[Sabrina]

Right. So you said you have four in your home right now?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, two are in the garage.

[Corinne]

Two are in the garage. Are those the ones that are nice to you or the ones that are a little scary?

[Alex Lemay]

They're the intense ones. I leave them out there, you know?

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

It's a good boundary. It's a good physical boundary. The other two can hang out in here. One of them, she's in this cute little case I just got her. You want to see her? Should I get her?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, of course. That chair is also amazing.

[Alex Lemay]

I know. Thank you. I love it. My throne.

[Sabrina]

It literally is a throne.

[Alex Lemay]

This is her in her new little case.

[Sabrina]

Oh, she's so darling, isn't she? The case is so pretty.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. So she can be in here because we don't have any beef. Everything's fine. She has this. I don't know.

[Corinne]

She's so sweet.

[Alex Lemay]

There she is. Ooh.

[Corinne]

That kind of freaked me out.

[Alex Lemay]

You said hello.

[Sabrina]

I was like, ooh, she's so sweet.

[Alex Lemay]

Alex touches her hand and says hello.

[Corinne]

And then her eyes go boom.

[Alex Lemay]

Hello. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Does she have a name?

[Alex Lemay]

No, I haven't asked her name yet or she hasn't told me it. I think I have asked. She has a baby blanket that she asked for.

[Corinne]

She asked for a baby blanket.

[Sabrina]

That's so special.

[Alex Lemay]

She asked for a baby blanket. So she has that in there with her. I don't know her story. She hasn't really told me much in the sessions that I've done with her. Yeah. The only thing that's spooky that has told me that she might be haunted is she's typically on the shelf right here. And I'll put her in a position that's, you know, I remember that's where she was. And the next day, her head will be this way or her head will be that way. But she's been moving around a lot. She's doing some stuff. So now she's got a cute little box.

[Sabrina]

Okay, I have a question. So Corinne and I. And I'll say specifically me, because they're being kept at my home are.

[Corinne]

I have also created boundaries.

[Sabrina]

The boundary is, Sabrina, you take them home with you.

[Corinne]

Well, my child is like, he walks into our office, which is where we record, and this is, like, the only place in my house that he gets really spooked and will scream.

[Sabrina]

He has encounters here.

[Corinne]

So, yeah, I'm like, we can't add hauntings into my home where there's already stuff going on.

[Alex Lemay]

But.

[Sabrina]

Okay, my question is. So we've started to bring in haunted objects, and I do feel drawn to some items, but I feel guilty. Like, bringing them into my house. Like, I'll have a conversation with them and I'll talk to them, but how often should you be interacting with them? And also, like, how do you say, hey, like, if you want to communicate, here's a sign that you can give to me. So I know you need, like, attention. Like, I feel like they're children and they are spirits. Like, I want to make sure that they feel safe and happy, that their emotions. But I'm also filled. I'm also. I hardly have time for me. Like, I'm like, how much time should I be allotting to them?

[Alex Lemay]

I mean, that's a good question. I think a lot of it is intuitive and how you feel if you're feeling very drawn to them. I think that that is the main way that they speak to us or communicate with us is those feelings. This one in particular, I had her for maybe six months before I ever communicated with her. Just to feel things out. I'll look for different signs, like, if I'm having nightmares, and then I'll know, okay, this is. Or, you know, that feeling you get where you're uneasy. If that starts happening, then I'll put some boundaries down. I'll get them a little box just to protect myself, keep myself, you know, in a safe space where I'm not getting my energy drained or putting myself in bad situations. Right. Because I think it, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, well, none of this is Real, I don't believe in it. And that in itself can give you protections, because if you're not looking at it, it's not looking at you back.

[Sabrina]

Sure.

[Alex Lemay]

So I think people don't have to worry. If they don't believe in it, it's fine. But if you are looking and you are trying to perceive something like that, I think you do open doors to it without maybe even being intentional. And I always tell people that speaking it out loud is like the best way to help control that situation. I'm very absolute in what I say. I haven't done it in a while, but when I bring something new in, I'll say, hey, my name is Alex. This is my room. You're only allowed in this space. And I'll usually set boundaries based off of the room. So if it's in my room, I'll be like, you're only allowed in this space. You can't affect my energy. You can't use my energy. You can't use anybody else's energy. If I have roommates, I'll just set a bunch of boundaries down. And I'll say that every single day until it feels very solidified in that space. Because I think if you speak something enough, it becomes reality. And I know it's been shown in different studies, like with Amy Bruni, she did this. Have you heard of the Zombie Boy episode with Amy Bruni where they tested. They tested this theory about spirits and being able to kind of program them with information and seeing if they could get that back. Almost like how Egregore's work, where you can create it. And they did some experiments, experiments where they went in and they said, my wife died at this. I don't know exact. The exact details. You'll have to watch it. But it's something around the lines of them giving the exact day of death what their wife's name was. And they said that collectively and then went in and asked those questions and got those questions in response through the spirit box. So they were giving the information and receiving. So it was like they were programming it.

[Sabrina]

It's like conjuring. Philip.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, they were like, programming it. And I think about that a lot when it comes to my investigations, where I'm like, we have so much in our spoken word, whatever it is that's happening. So I'm always. I always say it out loud. I'm like, here's my boundaries. This is what you're allowed to do, what you're not allowed to do. But I think it's just all intuition, I think. If you feel that pull to communicate and connect, then go right ahead and see how it goes. But also tune into your gut and see how you feel. Because if you get that uneasy feeling, then it's best to set some really strong boundaries and maybe even take them and put them in the garage, like I do.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Okay.

[Sabrina]

That, like, leads to another question. Is, like, have you ever had to re home a haunted object? And how do you go about that if something is crossing boundaries or it's.

[Corinne]

Not a good match?

[Sabrina]

Scaring you?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

What do you do?

[Alex Lemay]

I had one doll that I didn't think was haunted. I turned into a REM pod. She, like, ripped her head off, and I drilled a hole down the middle of her skull and. So gruesome.

[Corinne]

Just mutilated her.

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, my God, Totally. So I'm, like, on my desk, I'm cutting her head open. I'm, like, drilling things in and putting electronics in her body. And I burned myself really bad. And I was like, oh, my gosh. What was that? So didn't think anything of it. That always happens, right? Well, it doesn't always happen, but it was weird. And then I dropped something, and I was like, what is going on? Like, so many bad things started happening all during this short time Spanish of me putting an antenna in her head. So I pick up my phone to start recording to see if I could get some EVP activity or something. And I pick her up, and my phone. My phone flies out of my hand, shatters. Like I had just bought the phone. And I was like, okay, I don't know what this means. I'm just gonna put her head back on because it's too late. Like, I can't take all of this out. So I put everything back on her, and I turned it on, and it starts going off like crazy. Like, I thought maybe I had built it wrong because it was. It wouldn't stop. And I was like, this is. This is wild. Like, this wouldn't stop. My glue gun fell off and then burnt a hole in my carpet. All in this, like, short little period of me freaking out. So I turned her off and I sat her down, and I just looked at her and I was like, what have I done? And she was so mad at me for that that it took a long time.

[Sabrina]

The beheading. Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

I mean, she just. She was there, like, enjoying watching you. Thought she had this peaceful little life, just, like, quietly observing. And then it gets mutilated.

[Sabrina]

Turn into Frank in one day. Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

So bad. She was big Mad.

[Corinne]

Like, that was a bit of betrayal on your part. She trusted you.

[Sabrina]

You didn't know.

[Alex Lemay]

I didn't know. And, you know, I sat down and I was like, but you're so cool now. Like, I just gave you upgrades. If anything, you should be thanking me. Now you can communicate with people. But I ended up giving her to a friend, and we had to ship her in a bunch of salt and in a box. And I. All I've heard is that she's been nothing but spicy since then, so.

[Sabrina]

Oh.

[Corinne]

Oh, no.

[Alex Lemay]

I think the act of packing it away, saying goodbye in itself is good enough because you really are physically taking them and putting them somewhere and saying goodbye. And that worked for me. I haven't had any attachment to her whatsoever since then, but she's having a great life now.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Oh, my gosh. Now I want you to, like, revisit her and then put her in a Barbie Jeep or something so that she can drive herself around now, too.

[Sabrina]

Like, she's gonna drive to Alex, just gonna show up at your front door.

[Corinne]

I don't know, give her a dream house.

[Alex Lemay]

That's actually my dream. If that would happen, I would be so happy. I do have a remote control car that I put them in that says Paranormal Alex on the side. It's so fun. It's a van, so I could put more than one in there. Oh, my God. I.

[Corinne]

You're making me spooky, Ms. Frizzle.

[Sabrina]

You're making me want to be a haunted doll in your possession so badly.

[Alex Lemay]

Like, we have fun.

[Corinne]

You never know what Alex is gonna do. Field trip.

[Sabrina]

You're like, the, like, very positive, fun version of Sid in Toy Story. The paranormal Sid.

[Corinne]

Okay. So when you have these items, like, I. I think it's clear you do a good job of explaining what's going on and setting boundaries, and they live with you. But do you ever take them with you on investigations?

[Sabrina]

Ooh, that's a good question.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, I have this one that I put a. Like, a night sensor. It's a IR sensor. It can see in pitch darkness, and it speaks. So it's got, like, six words in her, and she's a little. I'm iffy about her being on the intelligent side of haunting. More residual. So weird stuff just happens with her, and she's huge. She's, like, this big.

[Sabrina]

Whoa.

[Alex Lemay]

But I bring her with me to investigations, and she's fun. I love her, but I don't know what her deal is. She's always fallen over, and I've had to glue her Face back together so many times because of that.

[Sabrina]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Lemay]

Bless her heart. You know, like, I set her up and you could not push her over when I set her up, like, I make sure because it's a pain in the butt to have to glue her face back together. But every time I put her right up against the wall, I'll be in another room and I have footage of her on the stove sitting there. And then I walk away and she just head plants into the stove, and it's so loud, I'm like, oh, my gosh. And she does that all the time. So I don't know.

[Corinne]

Maybe she wants a new face. She wants an upgrade.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. What does this say about her?

[Corinne]

Stick her in a new wig. Maybe she'll feel herself a little bit more with, like, a new do or something.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, maybe she wants a facelift of new hair. That's a good idea.

[Sabrina]

A new look.

[Alex Lemay]

She's definitely going through something. I've stopped bringing her places because she's just so dramatic.

[Sabrina]

It's a lot of work for you.

[Corinne]

Says a few words and smashes her face open. Like, that is very dramatic.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, you can hear it in the other room. And then there's like, she's got a porcelain face and you can see all these.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, that's not jagged pieces. I feel like TV and movies make it seem like OCD is this thing that magically helps characters solve crimes or keep their house really clean.

[Corinne]

That is not ocd.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

So you have gone to so many different haunted places and you've also investigated. I mean, it sounds like the paranormal just follows you and shows up to you. So it doesn't have to be necessarily a haunted location to do an investigation. But of all the places you have been, we'd love to hear your favorite and why, and then the scariest place you've been to.

[Alex Lemay]

Ooh, okay. My favorite, I think, must have been one of those turning points in life. When I was around 12, I was staying the night at my friend's house, and we were home alone at the time because her mom worked nights and she didn't get home until like 4am so we were sleeping and I woke up because I kept hearing somebody in the kitchen thinking that, oh, her mom's home and her mom always brought snacks. So I got up and I was like, oh, yes, we're getting some snacks. But her mom actually wasn't home. I saw who I thought was her standing in the hallway. And it was a little strange because she didn't say anything and it was all dark, none of the lights were on. And so I just stood there and looked back at her, trying to figure out, is this her mom or not her mom, right? And she continued to walk around the corner and so I followed her a little bit. And I remember hearing the door lock. It was before I had seen her turn the corner and caught up to her. So the door locked. You could hear it. And I came around the corner and there was nobody there. And I remember thinking, this house isn't very big. Like, where would she have gone? Why are all the lights out? That's Strange. She usually turns them on when she gets home. So I'm slowly walking back down the hallway, trying to figure out where her mom went. And I get back to our room, and I wake my friend up. And I'm like, I think there's somebody in the house. And I thought it was your mom. I don't know what's going on. So she wakes up, and we see the silhouette of who I think is her mom again, turn a corner. So we're both trying to figure out what's going on. Her mom is not home. This is something else. And then the door starts violently shaking, and it's somebody trying to break in. And we're young at the time. It was totally terrifying, and we didn't know what to do. So we go into her room and we lock the door. And we're freaking out. We're trying to stay quiet. The shaking continues. It gives me goosebumps thinking about it, because we were so scared. And then her mom gets home. I think it was just a couple hours later. And we're like, did you come home earlier? We don't know what happened. Somebody was trying to break in. Like, you could see the frame of the door had been shaken loose. Like, it was starting to come off because they had tried to get in. And she was like, what happened? And we were like, we don't know. We saw this. Something that looked like you walking around the house. And they locked the door and then disappeared. And she said, well, that's likely my mom, because I guess her mom looked like her. So we saw her grandmother. Her grandmother who had passed, walking around, who locked the door right before someone had tried to break in. And it was. I think that was this pinnacle moment for me.

[Corinne]

Chills all over my body.

[Alex Lemay]

Me, too. Every time.

[Sabrina]

I talk about it constantly. Yes.

[Alex Lemay]

So it was this moment in my life. She changed everything. Yeah. I think that is what put me on this path of becoming a paranormal investigator and taking it seriously. Because being able to manifest in that way to lock the door for all of that to happen the way that it did, I was curious forever after that. I just could not ask enough questions. And every time I got one question answered, I had more. And it's just been never ending.

[Sabrina]

I know. I feel like that's the biggest thing in the eight years that we've done this podcast. You know, we came in and started with a very small. I guess, like, we just had one perspective. And then now, over the years, we have way more questions than when we started, which is cool.

[Alex Lemay]

You just Keep getting deeper and deeper into it.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

I'm just. I'm, like, still amazed by that story.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Being saved by a spirit and witnessing it, like, consciously knowing that you are. Because it also makes me wonder, like, you know, how many times do we have some sort of spiritual intervention that's helping us through life or saving us from certain things, and we don't recognize it because it's either not obvious or we just weren't aware. But, like, that is such a powerful example. And it also just, like, made my mind go to. Oh, my God. How scary for that person. We recently read an email from a listener where someone's. Was it a grandmother?

[Sabrina]

It was an aunt.

[Corinne]

An aunt. There was an intruder or, like, someone creeping around the property, and the spirit of the aunt, like, grabbed the guy from outside and actually dragged him into the haunted room and did, like, a.

[Sabrina]

Bunch of poltergeist activity to, like, scare the shit out of this guy. Until the police. Police came.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Wow.

[Corinne]

Like, plucked the guy from outside and was like, you're coming in with me. And now I'm just. I like, pictured the grandma just, like, ready. Ready for this, to save. Save these young girls.

[Sabrina]

Because there's also. Think about how many other ways that this could have happened. You could have slept through it. You, like, maybe you didn't see her spirit at all, and you just heard the shaking of the door. Like, it happened in a way that I feel, like, set you up down this path too.

[Alex Lemay]

Totally did. And I think about that all the time. How many of us have experienced that without waking up? Like, somebody, a guardian or an ancestor that stays with us and continues to help us. It's a really cool moment to have because I really do feel like we're not alone. And a lot of us have that question, what happens after we die and we think about our loved ones and how scary it is to think we'll never see them again. But these experiences that I've had have helped me feel a little bit at ease where I do. Like, I've lost my father. I feel like he's with me all the time now. And.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. I think that happens to a lot of us. And we don't even know because if I didn't wake up, then we would have just been protected and we would have thought that we would remember to lock the door when we actually didn't. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Wow.

[Alex Lemay]

Pretty cool.

[Corinne]

It is very cool.

[Sabrina]

Okay, now, what's the scariest?

[Alex Lemay]

The scariest? I've had so many scary ones happen. That's hard to Decide you can share.

[Sabrina]

As many scary ones as you want. I'm. I'm. I want to hear your scary stories.

[Alex Lemay]

I have funny scary, and then I have actual scary scary.

[Sabrina]

Okay, do scary scary first.

[Alex Lemay]

Okay. Scary scary. Must have been Waverly Hills. That was one of my favorite places.

[Corinne]

That is, like, top of our bucket list.

[Alex Lemay]

Is it?

[Sabrina]

You have to go because we're so scared of it.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

But drama seems like the scariest place to go.

[Alex Lemay]

It freaked me out. There's so much activity there. And they have a haunted house in where the morgue used to be. Like, they just know exactly what they're doing.

[Sabrina]

Damn.

[Alex Lemay]

But I had an experience there. Well, this is on my show, Living for the Dead, the episode which I think it was called. Oh, gosh, it had a funny name. And I already forgot it. It was something cute, but it was with Waverly Hills. And I had this idea where I wanted to go completely alone to the area where they stored the bodies. So, you know those.

[Sabrina]

God, you're so brave.

[Alex Lemay]

Thank you. Those things in the wall you pull out and have the bodies in them. They had a couple of those, and I wanted to go by myself and just crawl into one of those and hang out and see what would happen.

[Sabrina]

Oh, my gosh.

[Corinne]

Oh, geez. That is way further than I thought you were going to take it. I thought you were just going to stand there.

[Alex Lemay]

No, I climbed in, I grabbed my gear. I wanted some answers, because at the time, the keeper of the place had been telling us that they were getting hundreds of attachments from this location. People were going home and things were following them. So we were trying to get answers as to why that was happening. And I. I was so deeply curious about attachments in general because I haven't really experienced that many. And I don't know a lot of people that have experienced that many attachments themselves. So to hear that number was astonishing.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

So I went straight to the place that people said that they got these attachments, which is the haunted house. And I thought, the creepiest place has got to be where they held the body. So I climbed in in pitch darkness. I had a REM pod above my head over here. And I was just laying there for dramatic effect.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, of course. Like a dead body.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, of course. And I started asking the entity there. I asked, you know, are you malevolent? And the device goes off. And what I thought was super. This is so nerdy of me, but I love the fact that it's. The REM pod was going off at the same signal strength. After every question that I asked, because that's also very unusual. It's always very erratic. But I was getting up to three lights, and then it would go back down for the same amount of time every time it answered.

[Sabrina]

Interesting.

[Alex Lemay]

Very weird. So I asked if it was malevolent, said yes. I asked if it was feeding off of people's fear, and it said yes. And I'm sitting here just like, oh, my God. And then I asked, were you created through human intervention? Was it through which ritual? Was it through people creating you? And it said, yes. Then I asked, do you want to do harm to people? And it said yes. And it kept saying yes to all these things. And at that point, I was like, okay, I'm freaked out. I'm all by myself. This thing is saying it wants to harm people, and it's malevolent and it feeds off fear. And then I asked, are you the one attaching to everybody? And it said, yes. And I was like, okay, it's time to go now.

[Sabrina]

Do you think it's the Creeper?

[Alex Lemay]

I don't know who it was, because it didn't give me a name. I was kind of just asking whatever the malevolent entity is. So it gave me all these answers, and I was like, okay, that's enough. And I picked everything up and. And left. And I was like, I had this sense of impending doom that I never get. Like, I'm pretty. Pretty brave, and I can do things that don't freak me out. And in that moment, I felt very scared. Like, I felt like I was standing in the middle of the forest and I was prey. It was very weird. So freaky. So I hightailed it out of there, and I did all these things. I was like, don't follow me home. Like, I know you follow everyone home, but you can't follow me home. These are my boundaries. None of that they even say.

[Sabrina]

I mean, I think the Creeper is a name that, like, humans have given the entity, but that the spirits themselves at Waverly Hills are afraid of that dark, malevolent energy.

[Alex Lemay]

At Waverly Hills, I could see that.

[Corinne]

But then it will, like, crawl on the walls and ceilings and all the other spirits flee. Right? It's so strange because, like, in your questioning of the spirit, it seems like it was created from humans. And so, like, in my mind, I was like, oh, I'm thinking of the Bell witch and how, you know, like, the theory is that woman, the neighbor, like, the bad pieces of her. The angry pieces of her, like, chipped off and manifested into this other entity that was evil, I guess, or meant harm. And so in a way, I was like, oh, well, maybe this is kind of nice if this thing can follow people and then, like, eat from them, like, take from them some of the things that are bothering them or, like, the cause them anxiety. And that was, like, in my mind, I was like, oh, this is gonna be so special.

[Sabrina]

That's you wishful thinking.

[Corinne]

Yeah, that wishful thinking.

[Alex Lemay]

That's a nice way to look at it. I think. It's creating fear. So it wants you. It wants you to be scared. It wants you to have nightmares. It wants you to have that feeling of impending doom, and it wants to feed off of that.

[Sabrina]

It's not taking away your anxiety. It's giving it to you.

[Alex Lemay]

It's giving it to you because that's what's helping give it power. And it had this sense of, like, desperateness to it, where it felt like it was desperate for it. If it didn't get that, I don't know if it would continue to exist. It's just the feeling that I got.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

And in those questions, I was like, oh, this is very serious. Like, I don't know how it was created, but it's like life or death for this thing. It needs. It absolutely needs the fear. It needs all of those horrible emotions that we're capable of feeling, and it'll do whatever it can to get that out of us.

[Corinne]

It's also confusing. I feel like, when spirits. Because there's, like, trickster energy and spirits who, like, maybe don't always tell the truth, but then this feels like a spirit who would benefit from lying, and yet it doesn't.

[Sabrina]

Well, because it doesn't even need to. Yeah.

[Corinne]

Did you feel like it was following you the whole time you were there?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, because when I went in there, I was like, this is weird, and I really need to ask some questions. It was something that I had never faced. I've dealt with malevolent entities before. I'm like, I see you. I get it. Like, right, Just leave me alone. It's fine. But this one in particular, the creeper, if that's what they're calling it, has this kind of primal feeling to it where it's very, very freaky. It makes you feel a way that I can't really describe unless you're there. It's almost, like, queasy and heavy. So it was fun having a conversation, but also so scary. And I hightailed it out of there.

[Sabrina]

Right. And, like, the potential, it could have followed you, like, you are opening yourself up to something that is not necessarily controllable, like you don't have. Yeah. You can set your boundaries and stuff, but if it's that hungry and that malevolent, like, you don't know what it's going to do.

[Alex Lemay]

I think that we are very powerful. And I think even faced with entities like that that feel out of control or have kind of like elemental energy to them, just strange, bad stuff. I think we. Because this is our plane, this is our realm, we have the absolute power. And staying strong and believing that and knowing that, I think helps keep us protected. Even if we're going through things that it can feed off of. I know that we're in control because this is our dimension. This is our realm. Even if there's some overlap happening, it is scary as heck. But we do have the power over these things. It's just believing it. And the more we believe it, the stronger it'll be.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

It does make me think about, like, Sabrina and I talk about this because we. We're newer to investigations, and we've been to a few places now, but mostly with a couple of our friends and, like, a few other people that we've explored various places with. But we feel like there's such an importance of who we pick to go investigate a place with just because of the intention and the energy that other people could bring in.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Like, if we went to a place where someone is. No boundaries, very much like, I'm gonna fuck around and find out, that's opening us up to that energy, which we don't want.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

We want to be respectful.

[Corinne]

Right. And we don't feel, like, powerful enough maybe, in our own exploration of these haunted locations and, like, understanding different entities that we could encounter to just be able to be with anyone and still walk away being like, oh, we're fine.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. And that's not a beginner thing for sure, if you're poking the bear. I would not recommend that to anybody who doesn't have a history in maybe knowing what they're doing when it comes to protection, because you can stir up some stuff, stuff that you don't want even in proximity to somebody else who's doing it, you know?

[Sabrina]

Right. Well, another thing that we've talked about a lot is. I guess this is, like, a popular conversation to have right now because the conjuring the last rites just came out, which is about the Smurl family and something that is similar in the Smurl family case and a lot of poltergeist possession, like, cases is that the activity continues and continues and continues. And no matter how many attempts to create a boundary or protect the space, it feels like those cases just kind of on their own. After X amount of years, the entity just like moves on. Because I do agree, I think our mind and our ability to create protection is very, very powerful. But what's your perspective on cases like that where it doesn't seem like there is rhyme or reason as to when it stops? It's not.

[Corinne]

Because it's just like increasing torment and then silence and then all of a sudden poof, gone.

[Alex Lemay]

I think I'd have a better answer if I knew the exact details. But I do think that when we stop feeding into it, it slowly just kind of disappears. And I think there probably is a moment where somebody walks in and doesn't really feel much and they're like, oh, it's not haunted anymore. And that in itself creates that reality. I think that what we perceive is so powerful and what we're constantly creating as humans, I think we're actually projecting our reality all the time. And if there's more than one person walking into a space and saying this isn't haunted anymore, then it's not going to be haunted anymore.

[Sabrina]

Which speaks to the power of manifestation.

[Alex Lemay]

Totally. I totally. We're so powerful, we. I don't think we really need to know how powerful we are. Like I always believe people when they say, oh, I'm possessed or I need an exorcism. And those, the people that have that background, I think because they believe it so deeply, it is real to them. And I do believe that. I believe in them when they say they need that. And I do believe that they need a priest and they need religious background style stuff for them to help them move past whatever it is that they're moving on from. So it's hard to tell. I think it really is us and what we bring into a space because I know that Christian and Catholic based things, I very much respect those faiths and or religions. It's just that they, I know they carry a lot of fear when it comes to those things. And that's very, very hard to combat because if you're constantly afraid, you kind of are inadvertently maybe manifesting that to happen because you're so afraid.

[Sabrina]

And feeding it.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, and feeding it. It's always good to have like a third party or another person come in. So I think like situations like the conjuring or the house and those situations where people are getting exorcisms because it has such a History in those faiths, it's harder to maybe remove that energy because they themselves are so scared of it that even if they wanted to get rid of it, they still are feeding it.

[Sabrina]

They're carrying that fear, which is what it wants.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. It's always there in the back of your head. And a third party person may be coming in. And enough people being like, oh, it's not haunted anymore, or enough time will eventually stop it from being haunted. Like, it'll just. It'll just dissipate and become a house again. But I also think there is some truth to different materials like wood and different types of rocks and water, holding energy and memory.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

And being able to replay that energy or memory.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

When it's met with certain conditions. So I don't know.

[Sabrina]

Damn. Yeah. There's. I think that's the biggest thing is that we don't know.

[Alex Lemay]

Right.

[Corinne]

And, like, even when we go, when we've gone into places before, we're like, are we communicating with spirits who were already here and, like, this is who's here at this house? Or are these spirits who, like, we've just opened something up and they're passing through and we're conjuring them into this space?

[Sabrina]

Or like our guardians, like, people we carry with us all the time? Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corinne]

So it is interesting to say a place is not haunted and then makes me want to almost, like, do a test in my own house. Like, this place is not haunted.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. Do it.

[Corinne]

Do I believe it even as you.

[Alex Lemay]

Say that you don't believe what you're trying to say? Yeah. You have to convince yourself. And I think a good way to convince yourself is by saying it over and over and over again. Eventually you'll believe it.

[Sabrina]

Right. Damn. Finishing Waverly Hills. Would you go back and lay in the body chambers and talk to the creeper again?

[Alex Lemay]

For sure, I would do.

[Corinne]

Oh, my God.

[Sabrina]

Okay, well, we want to go to Waverly Hills, so we will call you up when we decide to go.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, let's do it. We'll have another conversation because I got more questions now. I want to know details.

[Sabrina]

Right. It will probably remember you.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, I hope it does.

[Corinne]

You should bring the.

[Sabrina]

Your doll.

[Corinne]

Broken face, porcelain doll.

[Alex Lemay]

She's so funny. I'll send you guys a picture of her. She's just.

[Sabrina]

Please do.

[Alex Lemay]

You know, she still looks pretty, but her face is just. It's been glued back together so many times. Oh, my gosh.

[Sabrina]

I love that.

[Alex Lemay]

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[Corinne]

Okay, I want to know how you got into paranormal investigative equipment and like creating sort of these tools.

[Sabrina]

Can we hear your scary funny one first?

[Corinne]

Oh, oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, the scary funny one. Yeah. This ghost was at this hotel, and it wasn't who I was intentionally going in to speak to. I was going in to talk to. To the girl who was haunting the place, who we did have a great conversation with. But after that settled down, I was sitting on the bed. This hotel was built, I think, in the early 1900s. And I've got my socks on because I don't wear my shoes into bed, right? And I'm sitting there, got all my equipment everywhere. There's a chair, they call it affectionately the cuck chair in the corner. You know what I mean?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Corner of the bed. I'm in the bed and I'm. It's calmed down. I'm thinking it's the end of the investigation, nothing that creepy's happened. And there's a REM pod at my. At the bottom of my feet at the end of the bed. And then there's a light ball, those like motion activated light balls in the chair in the corner. The little cuck chair. And I take my shoes off, put my feet on the bed, and the thing lights up and I'm like, oh, that's weird. I don't think anything of it. You know, I just continue on my investigation. Then I have the spirit box on, and it starts talking about feet. And I'm like, no way this is happening to me right now.

[Corinne]

A foot fetish ghost.

[Alex Lemay]

A foot fetish ghost keeps talking about feet. So then I'm back on the bed. REM pod at the bottom. I'm gonna lean into it. I'm gonna See what happens. So I'm sitting there, and I'm like, okay, what's your name? And he says his name's Roger. I'm like, okay, Roger has a foot thing, and he's hanging out with me. Okay, let's see.

[Sabrina]

Please tell me you, like, sultry. Take your socks off.

[Alex Lemay]

And, like, I put my foot up, and I was like, make the REM pod go off, and you'll get to see a toe. And I start, like, taking my sock off really slowly. My God. And the cuck chair lights up. The REM pod at the bottom of my feet starts lighting up. Everything in the room is lighting up over me taking my sock off slowly.

[Corinne]

I'm obsessed. Oh, my God.

[Alex Lemay]

I was so freaked out. Cause I was like, oh, God, a creepy guy. Like, that's just as scary to me as the malevolent entity at Waverly, right? So I'm taking my sock off. Everything's lighting up. I'm screaming, laughing. I'm freaked out. I don't want to sleep there. There's a foot guy, right?

[Corinne]

He's going to tickle your toes or, like, lick them in the middle of the night.

[Alex Lemay]

He just kept talking about feet, and he wouldn't stop. Like, every time the spirit box came on, he'd be like, nice socks. Says so many weird things.

[Sabrina]

I'm just thinking about how many people have stayed in that room and unknowingly, a ghost is just, like, getting off on their feet.

[Corinne]

I know. Next time, pull up your Venmo and be like, can work your ghostly magic. Yeah, send me. Send me 50 bucks.

[Alex Lemay]

Wow. I do have a video of that, though. That's amazing. If you could just make that go off, I will show you my foot.

[Sabrina]

If you want to see the footsies.

[Alex Lemay]

Girl, a different color. Oh, my God.

[Corinne]

That's going off over there.

[Sabrina]

Do you have it?

[Alex Lemay]

Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The way I'm covering up my foot now, like, oh, my God. They're like, girl.

[Corinne]

How weird.

[Sabrina]

Well, you can monetize that. It's behind a paywall. It's you getting a ghost off for his foot fetish, but people can buy it to see your feet.

[Alex Lemay]

I can't believe that.

[Corinne]

That is niche. And people.

[Alex Lemay]

People would buy access just thinking about it. Like, you're so serious. Sabrina's just like, yeah, monetize it. Sell it.

[Corinne]

Yeah, we're full of business idea happening.

[Sabrina]

Like, make money off of it. Yeah, why not?

[Corinne]

You have to remember this is a scary experience. This isn't.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, but make money off of your Fear.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. Because I'm like, this guy better not follow me home if I have to deal with a foot fetish ghost for the rest of my life.

[Corinne]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Lemay]

Could you imagine calling somebody and being like, I need an exorcism. He's in defeat.

[Sabrina]

Like, leave me.

[Corinne]

Like, you never take my socks off.

[Sabrina]

All of my socks are torn.

[Corinne]

Oh, that would be like the ultimate. Keep your feet under the covers at night.

[Alex Lemay]

Because I slept there that night. Yeah. Oh, you did. There was all this, like. There's like. You can see me sleeping and you see this divot in the bed, like, down at the bottom where my feet are. It was.

[Corinne]

Do you think he was smelling them, like, leaning over?

[Sabrina]

I didn't even leave it to Corinne to make it creepier.

[Corinne]

Like, he's sitting next to your feet. Of course he is.

[Alex Lemay]

I should have left him a sock as a souvenir.

[Sabrina]

You should have. But I also love that. I feel like we try to humanize the paranormal as much as possible. Like, yes, there are different iterations and variations of the paranormal and different spirits, but this one was human at one time and carried over his obsession with feet.

[Corinne]

You know what? I actually respect this guy a bit because I feel like we are always like, oh, what are we gonna do when we die? Like, what do you do when you're a ghost and you get to have access to whatever we have access to? And this guy's like, here's what I liked in life, and it was hard for me to gain access, and I'm gonna figure out a way to just get a constant flow of what I like, which is feet.

[Alex Lemay]

So, yeah, respect.

[Sabrina]

He.

[Corinne]

Yeah, respect. He figured it out.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. I'm not going to yuck anyone's yum.

[Corinne]

And he was forward with it too, you know, like, so forward.

[Sabrina]

That's hilarious.

[Corinne]

Perhaps he needs to work on his foreplay a little bit. But.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, what do you get out of it?

[Alex Lemay]

He was having a field day, though, because it was me and my two friends. So it's a bunch of cute girls in socks running around this place.

[Sabrina]

Oh, my gosh. He is like, feet galore. Wow.

[Corinne]

I love that paranormal investigation. It can be so fun and also weird, right?

[Sabrina]

You never know what you're going to get.

[Alex Lemay]

I've had so many strange experiences. I had another ghost who wouldn't stop shouting anal every time I turn on the ghost box. And I was like, okay, I think that's hilarious.

[Sabrina]

It's kind of like the penis game you would play with your friends.

[Corinne]

That feels like a 14 year old boy's spirit who's just, like, anal.

[Alex Lemay]

I was like, can we stop, please? I'm trying to talk to something else. Like, this is too much.

[Sabrina]

That is hysterical.

[Corinne]

Is your name anal?

[Alex Lemay]

Like, who are you? He said it so clearly. I'll send you guys the clip. Are you a pervert? Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Do you have something to say?

[Alex Lemay]

There's no way that was just set out of the ghost box.

[Sabrina]

You guys are being nasty.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. I remember you.

[Corinne]

Oh, my God.

[Sabrina]

I appreciate it. That ghost has a sense of humor. Because these are the things that don't.

[Corinne]

Make it on Travel Channel. Right?

[Sabrina]

They don't. Right.

[Corinne]

Like, we caught a ghost penis one time.

[Sabrina]

Yes. Famously. We were in a tabloid.

[Corinne]

Our only piece of pressure.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

But, like, I always joke that if I were a ghost, like, I would be the spirit who's sending, like, menacing messages through a Ouija board or whatnot. Because it's fun. Like, I would have fun scaring people.

[Alex Lemay]

I would, too. I'd get inventive with it.

[Corinne]

I think I want to be, like, a Dexter style ghost. I want to chase bad people and scare them to death. I'm going to seven psychopaths.

[Alex Lemay]

I like, that's a good idea.

[Corinne]

Yeah. That will be my fetish in the afterlife. What would you do? Have you thought about it? Like, if you were to cross over and you were able to do anything at all, like, the. The paranormal world was your oyster, how would you spend your.

[Sabrina]

How would you hunt?

[Corinne]

How would you hunt?

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, boy. I think I would love freaking people out. I think I would be so down with the white gown and the like, like down the hall moving people's stuff around, stealing rings. I'd probably be, like, collecting things. I'd have, like, a little cupboard in the wall where I would just keep all the stuff I stole from people. Yeah.

[Corinne]

Squirrel it away.

[Alex Lemay]

Trinkets.

[Sabrina]

I like it. Your serial killer souvenirs.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Would you go back and haunt your younger self if you could?

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, my gosh. I've thought about this before. Yeah, totally.

[Sabrina]

Do you think you already are?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. Because I thought about that as a kid. I was like, what if this is me in the future? So I've had all these weird dreams. Well, I had this dream about my dad. I think it was actually my dad. He told me all these things about death and how time doesn't exist after you die. And he was telling me that it all exists at the same time. Like, it's on top of itself. And he was able to talk to me even though he had been reincarnated to somewhere in the early 1900s, which made no sense to me in that dream. I was like, I don't know what you're saying, but that's when he started saying, well, time doesn't really exist. And I'm living out these lessons that I was supposed to learn back when I needed to. So I'm. There's a part of him that could still visit me. And at the same time, he's being reincarnated in the early 1900s, and at the same time, he's like in the 70s, building like some bakery. He was showing me this bakery he was doing.

[Sabrina]

Stop.

[Corinne]

Oh, my God, I have chills again. Like, it's so hard to comprehend.

[Alex Lemay]

So hard to comprehend what is happening. And the crazy part about this dream is I had all of that. I had this long conversation, and that's the points that I remember the best. And that's the best way I can try to articulate it, because I still don't quite understand what he meant. But he said that time doesn't exist. It stacks. And he's saying that he can be in more, more than one place. So even though he's reincarnated, our loved ones can still be with us when we call and ask for them to be with us. Which is super interesting, right? So I was like, well, if you're somebody else, how are you appearing as my dad to me now? And he was explaining that our soul isn't this one defined thing. We can be in more than one place. And their lessons are everywhere. We're everywhere. We're a part of everything. And it was super cool. So right before I woke up, he was like, oh, you're about to wake up now. He's like, I need you to call your aunt and I need you to call your sister and tell her that I visited you and tell her everything that I said and that I love them. And I said, okay. Woke up, called my aunt, told her everything, called my sister, told her everything, Hung up, fell back asleep. And then I woke up to a phone call from my aunt at like 10:30. She's like, how are you feeling? And I was like, I'm good. It's nice to hear from you. And she's like, do you remember anything from this morning? I was like, what do you mean? I don't remember any of. I don't remember calling them. I don't remember calling my sister and telling them anything. So she's. She told me these things and it started coming back to me. I was like, oh, my God, I Remember that? So there might have been more that happened in the dream, and I don't remember, but it was a very eerie experience.

[Corinne]

Ooh, that is wild.

[Alex Lemay]

Which kind of brought peace.

[Corinne]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

You know, we go into these haunted locations, and we're always like, oh, something really devastating happened to this woman here, and she's there and she's trapped. And I've always disliked the idea of that, of something horrible happening to you or being a victim and being stuck in that forever.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

And what my dad told me gave me this sense that, oh, well, that's not all of them. That's just something that happened. A fragment, possibly. And you're working through it. That part of you is still working through that trauma, and that's why that still exists and why we're still able to interact with it. But it isn't them. So they're not trapped there forever. And that brought me so much peace in those situations with what I experienced. My dad telling me it's like doing.

[Sabrina]

The shadow work and some time in the mess of time that will. That haunting will no longer exist because that spirit has worked through that.

[Corinne]

But it's also interesting because I used to have this co worker who was extremely intuitive. She was so intuitive that she very consciously tried to not touch people because she would just know way too much about them if she touched them. And she was just. She worked so hard at putting up boundaries to, like, be able to basically exist in the world. But she worked with a therapist, and she basically did this sort of, like, shadow work in tandem with this therapist where she would go into the psychic paranormal plane, I guess, the astral plane, and find these sort of fragments that belonged to someone's soul and help reunite it. And so whatever piece that they might not.

[Alex Lemay]

I have so many goosebumps.

[Corinne]

Yeah, it was like, whatever piece they might not understand because, like, again, like, you're saying, like, it might not even be from that lifetime. Like, they. It might not have been something that actually traumatically happened to them in the current lifetime, but, like, she brings that piece back to them so that they can heal it and be more, like, whole. I guess.

[Alex Lemay]

This is blowing my mind.

[Corinne]

So, like, when we talk about, like, these things, maybe one day not existing, like that person who had that traumatic experience and died in a horrific way and, like, feeling trapped. And then one day, like, that person just that spirit seems like, no longer exist. It could be something like that where, like, that piece is brought back to the whole.

[Sabrina]

Well, it reminds me a lot of, like, EMDR work. Like, in therapy. And I briefly have talked about this, but there's this one experience I went through that was really traumatic. In high school and from ages 13 to probably 29, it was this memory that lived rent free in my mind, like constantly. I would revisit it. I would be trauma, like, re. Traumatized, re Triggered by it over and over. And then at 29 years old, I started doing really intensive, like, trauma treatment and therapy, EMDR being one of the practices. And I revisited that memory. And in a very similar to shadow work way, I brought myself back to that part of my soul, the traumatic memory. And I did all this work to heal it. And I never revisit it anymore. And I think about it and I'm like, was that basement and like the place where this event happened to me haunted in some way? Every time my mind revisited it and felt that trigger, did energy, that part of my soul, haunt the basement where people live. And now it no longer does because I don't think it all happens.

[Alex Lemay]

Right.

[Corinne]

Like, you can actively haunt a place while you're still living somewhere else.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, yeah, that would make sense. I mean, from what I've experienced and how my dad was like, yeah, I'm here as me now and I'm still there. And from what you said, oh, it gives me goosebumps thinking about it, because, I mean, maybe there's some truth to that.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

And when people talk about helping ghosts move on, I was always like. I don't know if I like the whole go towards the light thing, but.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

I could see somebody walking in and just holding space or speaking to spirit and being like, why are you here? Are you okay? What can I help you with?

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Alex Lemay]

Do you know that you don't have to be here anymore? You don't have to continue feeling this. Right. Just having that conversation and feeling seen is enough sometimes to help break that. And I've only experienced that twice with spirit, where I felt like, oh, they. They don't feel like they need to be here anymore in that emotion, at least where they're not being dragged down. That's really cool and really powerful to hear that other people have some kind of experience like that. And I've done emdr, too. And now that makes me wonder, like, how many fragments of me are existing out there, Right. That I've called back in and doing my own shadow work.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

And also in emdr, you have what they call. I can't remember what the specific term, but, like, you have your safe people that you can bring into memories when you're working through them. And I remember bringing my grandmother, who was deceased even when I was doing emdr, and it really felt like she was there. And now, like, even this is the first time I've thought about it this way. But was I calling her spirit to be there? Because it really did feel like she was there with me and holding me in a place where she had never been. You know, I was alone in that moment, but I brought her into it and had, like, a spirit almost help my spirit.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

This is trippy talking about it, but it's also, like, very. I feel. I feel healed again.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, I think that's very possible.

[Corinne]

But it's like there's so many layers and it's hard to understand. I think, like, kind of like Sabrina alluded to. Like, when we first started the podcast, we had this one sort of narrow view on, like, people die and then there's ghosts, and that was it. And now there's so many layers to every experience and, like, trying to understand what a spirit even is or different types of interactions. Yeah. The time thing, like layering and even that. It's, like, hard to comprehend because if it's like. If time is. It's like everything everywhere else. Yeah. Like, if it's all layered, it's like, well, then where does it. Where are there ends? Like, layered, where it's all happening at.

[Alex Lemay]

The same time, but we're only perceiving in a certain way. Way that makes sense to us.

[Sabrina]

And like saying that your dad told you he was reincarnated in, like, the 1900s. Usually when we think of reincarnation, we think of, oh, your next life.

[Corinne]

But the fact that you could be timeline.

[Sabrina]

Reincarnated in the past, but is the present for them. Yeah. It's just.

[Corinne]

But then there is no past and present. It's just everything all at once.

[Alex Lemay]

My brain. I know. I think it still hurts to think about for too long, but.

[Sabrina]

But it's so cool.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. It really changed the way I view the paranormal. It was a. It was one of those things that changed how I investigate entirely.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Way I even speak to spirit where I. I feel like I know that this could be a fragment of someone who is very much living at one point. And I don't want to come in and make fun of them or poke at them or be rude, just the same as I wouldn't want someone doing that to me. And it feels like a calling of mine.

[Sabrina]

It's the same way you would treat humans. Like another person.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

You know, if you walk into A room, meet someone new for the first time, you're not going to berate them and be like, show your muscles. I don't know, like, punch me, demon.

[Corinne]

But that's kind of like what we were always saying. Like, when we first started going into places, Sabrina and I, we were like, we're not going to go in and say, like, dance, monkey, dance. Like, we're not there to force anyone to interact. It's more of just like, we're here.

[Sabrina]

If you want to talk.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Do you want someone to talk to? Like, so we're here.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

If you decide to talk and then you get too tired and your social battery is drained, we.

[Alex Lemay]

We get it.

[Corinne]

That happens to us constantly. Like, you can change your mind halfway through. It doesn't matter.

[Alex Lemay]

Totally.

[Corinne]

But, like, it is interesting because it's like, is it a fragment of someone who previously lived in this timeline that we're perceiving? Or could it be someone who's still alive?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So trippy. Okay, well, we could obviously talk about this because there's no answers forever. But back to Corinne's question about the paranormal equipment that you create and.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

What type of tools do you make, and how did you get into that?

[Alex Lemay]

I think I've always been a little bit into electronics. Like, even as a kid, I used to fix my friends iPhones and jailbreak them for them. And I was really into doing those kinds of things on the computer. So it kind of naturally happened because I wanted to know what was happening with these devices. I feel like most investigators should know exactly how their devices work so that they themselves can debunk in the moment or know if it's actually paranormal or not, and you can have a better sense of what's happening. So I started taking them apart and trying to figure out how they all work. And it just snowballed into me making my own, where I was like, oh, this is actually really simple. It's all very, very simple electronic stuff, Very simple sensors that most anyone could do. And what I've built is just what's pretty much already out there. Like, I've made my own spirit box. I've made my own. I think the only thing I've done different was I made this, a talking board that illuminates when your hand goes over it. So it's. It's kind of like a proximity meter, but instead of you hearing the sound, you see lights. So as your hand goes, like, heat signature kind of thing, it just your skin entering a field. So, like, your body or energy entering the Field will illuminate it, and there's a bunch of leds. I think there's. I think there's about 50 leds underneath the board. And I have a bunch of holes drilled out so it looks like a constellation. And it says, yes, no, maybe. And as your hand goes over it, it lights up and it kind of like fades and goes in and out. It's really pretty.

[Sabrina]

Oh, wait, so pretty. That's so cool.

[Alex Lemay]

But my hope is that, you know, a spirit will touch it and it'll illuminate and it has this soft glow, and then it fades back down and it looks like.

[Sabrina]

Has that happened at all?

[Alex Lemay]

I haven't even brought it into an investigation yet, and I really need to, so thank you for reminding me, Alex. I know.

[Corinne]

Well, this just, like, goes to show how much I think you already have that. You're like, oh, wait, I should probably bring that somewhere.

[Alex Lemay]

I don't know. Me and the spirit box, we are best friends. I love that thing. And that's another thing about being respectful and sweet and approaching investigations like you would another person. I think that they're very eager to talk to me. So I get really amazing evidence over the spirit box. I just have hours and hours and hours of responses that are pretty incredible. So I always forget about the other devices.

[Sabrina]

I love using a spirit box, but I find that I am. So maybe I have bad hearing, I don't know. But I have a really hard time in the moment deciphering what they're communicating.

[Corinne]

Me, too.

[Sabrina]

But after the fact, it's so much easier, like if you're reviewing it or, you know, if you have a video of it. But I feel bad because in the moment, I'm like, well, I'm not having a conversation what you say. Yeah, yeah. How do you tune into it?

[Alex Lemay]

I think it's a lot of practice. I think the more you get used to hearing it, you can decipher the worst. But I also use another device that's by Gary Galka. He sells this little. It's metal, and it's a speaker that has a filter in it that filters out the radio sweeps. So all you hear are the responses, and that helps be a little bit more tolerable. So you're not just hearing the. You hear mainly just the responses.

[Corinne]

Yeah, Maybe that's what's it called.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Do.

[Alex Lemay]

He has, like, three different kinds on his site. If you Google Gary Galka, he's always doing stuff with it and showing people how it works. I think the ANC Mini is the name of One of them, I think he's developed a spirit box that has it internally that you can buy, so it's built in, because I feel like.

[Corinne]

That'S one of the things that gets in the way because we've tried, like, the Estes method a few times, and people are always like, oh, you know, like, you'll. It'll eventually start sounding like a wave, and you'll be able to pick out the words. And we're like, no, it's just difficult. The whole time, it'll be like half of a word. And then I'm like, was that actually something or was that just, like, part of the radio sweep? Like, yeah, it's difficult. But again, with practice.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, you do start to hear it better the more you use it. I have noticed that.

[Sabrina]

All right, well, I'm just going to turn it on every day.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, it really does work because I have one really old spirit box I bought forever and ever and ever ago, and I have, like, four of them now. The SB7, the original. And I use that one more than any other one because I hear everything out of that. I'm so adjusted to the way that one hears that. That one sounds right. That when I turn on the new one, I, like, can't make anything out. I don't know what's being said until later. So it really is about just getting used to the sound of it and.

[Sabrina]

Being able to pick out and having your trusted tools. Yeah.

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah. There might be something to us, you know, using it a bunch of times, too, and giving it power in that way.

[Sabrina]

Okay, well, now I. I'm like, when can we hang out?

[Corinne]

I know. I was just thinking. I was like, do you have any investigations coming up? Like, what are your. What are your next projects? What can we weasel our way?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, like, I don't think I can be your haunted doll yet. I'm not dying yet. But how can we hang out in real life?

[Alex Lemay]

No, please, can we? I'm so down to investigate. I'm always doing it.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I would love to.

[Corinne]

Yes.

[Sabrina]

Is there a place that you have wanted to investigate that you haven't yet? What's top of your list?

[Alex Lemay]

I would love to go back to Waverly. I've been to almost every scary spot in the U.S. oh, my gosh. I'm drawing a blank because I have my favorites that I always go back, too. So what are your favorites? There's this place in Bisbee called the Copper Queen that is one of the most haunted places I've ever been. And I love going because I always end up seeing a different spirit.

[Corinne]

I'm texting that to myself so I can look.

[Sabrina]

Well, I'm putting it on your computer.

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, my gosh. Come to Bisbee. Let's go investigate. The Copper Queen.

[Corinne]

The Copper Queen.

[Sabrina]

Whoa. Oh, it's beautiful.

[Alex Lemay]

It is.

[Sabrina]

I've never even heard of this. Cool.

[Corinne]

Add it to the list.

[Alex Lemay]

There's a lot of ghosts. There's one malevolent one. There's a guy that wears a top hat that walks around. We got the whole place to ourselves for an entire week when we investigated there. And it was the staff. And everyone's very nice, but they are very aware of how haunted this place is. And they let you know. They're like, just don't mess with the ghosts. Unless you want to mess with the ghosts, because they're serious here. And we had crew members that were getting scratched in the middle of the night.

[Sabrina]

Oh, my gosh.

[Alex Lemay]

Ken, my co star, could not sleep at all because the entity in his room that claimed to be a little boy was not a little boy. I'm not quite sure what's going on there, but there's, like, six or seven entities that walk around that place that are very willing to hang out and talk, and they're so active.

[Sabrina]

Great.

[Corinne]

I like places like that where you, like, know that no matter what, you're probably going to have some sort of interaction.

[Alex Lemay]

You absolutely are.

[Sabrina]

I'm, like, so jazzed and hype after this conversation with you. I'm like, okay, like, we need to plan.

[Corinne]

And I. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Our investigation.

[Corinne]

We will be in touch.

[Alex Lemay]

Okay, Sounds good.

[Sabrina]

You're our friend now.

[Corinne]

Following you to wherever you're going next.

[Alex Lemay]

Yes, please. I need more people to come with me. We will.

[Corinne]

This is a good segue, because I'm curious if you have any other, like, projects or big investigations or anything coming up.

[Alex Lemay]

I'm just working on my YouTube and doing my normal investigations that I'm doing now. I have a couple cool ideas that I'm working on that are secret right now, but I'll be unveiling them soon, so.

[Sabrina]

Well, in another timeline, we already know what the secret is.

[Corinne]

I know.

[Alex Lemay]

I guess we'll just have to wait. And we're already investigating.

[Sabrina]

Oh, my gosh. Well, let us know if you ever want us to participate, and we will definitely do an investigation together.

[Alex Lemay]

Okay, I will. Absolutely.

[Sabrina]

Where can people find you?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

What's your YouTube?

[Corinne]

Your social?

[Sabrina]

What's your. Your home address?

[Alex Lemay]

I'm just kidding. My phone number. Yeah, I. You can find me on any platform. Under it's Alex Lemay. It's included the its at the beginning. So It's Alex on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Substack, pretty much every platform I'm on there under that name.

[Sabrina]

Amazing. Thank you so much for joining us. This was so fun.

[Corinne]

So great. And now I want more investigative equipment too.

[Sabrina]

I know.

[Alex Lemay]

Oh, my gosh. I'll make you guys something.

[Corinne]

Wait, will you?

[Alex Lemay]

Yeah, I'd love to.

[Corinne]

Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh.

[Alex Lemay]

I'll make you a surprise. Okay.

[Sabrina]

Okay. Wait.

[Alex Lemay]

Amazing made.

[Sabrina]

Thank you.

[Alex Lemay]

Of course.

[Sabrina]

This is the best.

[Corinne]

I'm so excited.

[Sabrina]

This is the best.

[Alex Lemay]

I know. Yeah. This is so fun.

[Corinne]

My face is frozen into a smile this whole time.

[Sabrina]

It hurts in a good way.

[Alex Lemay]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Corinne]

Thank you.

[Sabrina]

Thank you for coming.

[Corinne]

And we will see you on the other side.

[Alex Lemay]

Very spooky.