Haunted with Whitney Way Thore of My Big Fat Fabulous Life

Summary

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Two Girls One Ghost: "Haunted with Whitney Way Thore of My Big Fat Fabulous Life"

Date: August 20, 2025
Hosts: Corinne Vien and Sabrina Deana-Roga
Guest: Whitney Way Thore (“My Big Fat Fabulous Life”)

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Episode Overview

This episode features Whitney Way Thore, star of TLC’s My Big Fat Fabulous Life, as a guest on Two Girls One Ghost. Recorded in conjunction with Whitney’s visit to Salem (and to the hosts’ podcast studio, also filmed for her TV show’s season 13), the conversation ranges from personal supernatural experiences and dream interpretations to fertility journeys, witchcraft, and the quirks of hauntings in New England versus the South. The tone is irreverent, personal, and full of ghostly (and sometimes racy) humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Manifesting Spooky Dreams

• [00:31-02:31] Sabrina says she “manifested” being connected to a reality TV star, while Corinne ties the weather to a sign of “spooky season.”
• Whitney: "I've never been happier actually in my life. This is a real life fantasy come true." (02:14)
• Whitney says she was a long-time listener; she’d fall asleep to the podcast for comfort, even bingeing through illness.

2. Adventures in Salem – Witchy Sisterhood

• [03:35-04:50] Recap of their trip, including a seance, paranormal investigation, table tipping, and automatic writing.
• Whitney had never been to Salem, experiencing “a huge dream come true”.
• Comparison between “Southern haints” (Appalachian-style ghosts) and New England hauntings, with regional differences highlighted:
  • Whitney: "A southern haint is like woods and creeks and the holler and the sasquatch... And a New England haint is very historic."
  • Corinne: “The red coats are coming.” (04:42)

3. Whitney’s Paranormal Experiences

The Infamous “Michael Jackson Haint”

• [08:01-11:17] Whitney tells of a ghostly voice (“This is Annie”) captured on a Michael Jackson cassette—never erased, even into high school—becoming a legendary Halloween party anecdote.
  • Whitney: “It sounded to me like, this is Annie... And then full volume comes back.” (09:50)

The Trampoline Ghost

• [11:25-12:37] As a middle schooler, she and a friend experienced an unseen entity grabbing their butts under a trampoline. Whitney jokes about wishing for “sex ghosts.”
  • Whitney: "It definitely felt to me... someone standing and pushing their hands up..." (12:14)
• The hosts riff on the cryptid possibilities (trolls, Bigfoot, gnomes).

4. Fertility, Witchcraft & Womanhood

• [14:25-16:02] Whitney shares about her fertility journey, performing witchy rituals to become pregnant:
  • At-home insemination, womb rituals, using a turtle in a spell, and a humorous incident where saging her “undercarriage” failed (“my pussy put that sage right on out”).
  • Whitney: “I had a full on womb ritual performed... I actually ordered some sperm... I have three vials. Three chances.” (14:25)
• Corinne’s accidental “pointing” that seems to bring both pregnancy and death to people, leading to a running joke of a fertility “curse.” (16:22-17:16)

5. Dreamwork & Psychic Inheritance

• [19:12-22:24] Whitney’s recurring breastfeeding dreams (sometimes of animals), which Sabrina interprets as a metaphor for giving energy and nurturing others.
• Whitney describes very vivid dreams and at least one example of a premonitory dream of a gutted fish, later matched in real life:
  • Whitney: "Not two days later did I... see this big old gutted fish laying on... ice. It was exactly what I dreamed." (22:27)

6. Witchy Heredity & Family History

• Whitney’s mother (“Babs”) described as a “creepy witch”—practiced folk magic, brought voodoo dolls to soccer games, supported Whitney with “mental work” and psychic abilities.
  • Whitney: “She would bring voodoo dolls to my soccer games... She took Motherhood. Very.” (26:34)

7. Psychic Skepticism & Genuine Hits

• [40:27-45:59] Whitney is a self-described skeptic but enjoys visiting psychics. Most readings don't impress—but two stand out:
  • One psychic immediately and specifically asks, "Tell me about Korea," with no prior knowledge of Whitney having lived there.
  • Another reading referenced "Peggy" (her grandmother Margaret’s nickname) and “Babs” (her mother’s name by Cherokee bestowal), details Whitney herself hadn’t known.
• Whitney is critical of strangers claiming her mom “comes through” to them after her death:
  • Whitney: “How insulting to me ... you’re telling me she chose you of all people, rather than me?” (45:59)
• Hosts agree psychic validation should be grounded in genuine connection.

8. Hauntings, Attachments & Salem Ghosthunts

• [50:08-54:57] The trio recounts their paranormal investigation at the Henry Derby house, especially their “big discovery”:
  • Corinne learns she's being followed by “Peter,” a ghost she met at the Conjuring House, who then made his presence known at the Salem seance.
    • Corinne: “Are you always with me?” ‘Yes.’” (53:53)
• Discussion of the meaning behind such attachments—are they guides, are they bored, do they want something?

9. Familiar Spirits & Animal Companions

• Whitney’s long-time cat, Henchy, comes through during the seance and on the Ghost Tube app.
  • Whitney: “To make hearing from Henchy made me feel so good.” (66:22)
• Approval from “beyond” given for a new cat, Machete, Whitney plans to adopt.

10. Becoming a Witch, Witchcraft & Ritual

• Whitney owns her witch identity, discusses her rituals and beliefs:
  • Whitney: “Who’s to tell me I’m not a baby witch?... It’s helped me live intentionally.” (57:24–57:58)
• Sabrina and Corinne reflect on intention, spirituality, and how “manifestation” overlaps with ritual.
• Whitney notes her gratitude for the hosts’ friendship and inspiration to find magic again in her life.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Manifesting the Meetup:
  • Whitney: “Y’all have been in bed with me for a long time and now I am in the studio.” (02:42)
• Sex Ghosts:
  • Whitney: “I pray for an entity to enter my body. I want to penetrate me fully.” (05:27)
  • Sabrina: “Consensual penetration.” (05:44)
• Michael Jackson Haint:
  • Whitney: “This is Annie.” (09:49)
• On Sexually Adventurous Appalachian Spirits:
  • Whitney: "I don't care if you're a God. I don't care if you're a flesh pedestrian ... I think an antler might be fun." (05:56-06:09)
• On Dream Interpretation:
  • Sabrina: “You’re constantly pouring into others, literally to the point where you’re giving them life and giving them your own resources.” (20:12)
• Cannibalistic Fan Message:
  • Whitney: Reads DM: “I am an 18 year old boy who has dreamed since childhood that my flesh would be roasted and you would eat me... I have sweet and delicious flesh.” (30:50)
• Haunted by Peter:
  • Corinne: “Are you always with me? — Yes.” (53:53)
• The Power of Ritual:
  • Whitney: “It has helped me start to live intentionally… it’s given me some semblance of intention and control over my life.” (57:59)
• On the Power of Friendship:
  • Whitney: “Meeting you guys has rejuvenated me... It’s made me more in touch with myself.” (60:59–61:32)

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Timestamped Segment Guide

| Time | Topic | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 00:31–02:31 | Intro, manifestation, Salem trip context | | 03:35–04:50 | Recap: Salem trip & comparison Southern/Northern haints | | 05:05–13:43 | Whitney’s paranormal stories (Michael Jackson haint, trampoline ghost) | | 14:25–16:25 | Fertility journey and witchy rituals | | 19:12–22:24 | Dream interpretation and psychic inheritance | | 26:34–29:45 | Mother Babs’ witchiness, adoption struggles | | 40:27–45:59 | Psychic skepticism and “real” moments | | 50:08–54:57 | Henry Derby/Conjuring House haunting crossover | | 55:33–57:59 | Henchy the cat’s return, becoming a witch | | 60:59–62:47 | Reflections, magic in friendship, feeling renewed | | 67:00–67:59 | Approval for new cat, anxiety about animal bonds | | 70:09–71:09 | Quirks of allergies, survival, and the Oregon Trail | | 73:03–74:51 | Life changes, moving, final musings |

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Overall Tone and Themes

• Playful, unfiltered camaraderie (with plenty of explicit jokes and running gags)
• Genuine vulnerability around loss, fertility, and self-doubt
• Empowerment via witchcraft, intention-setting, and friendship
• Cultural contrasts between Southern “haints” and New England ghosts
• Strong skepticism toward exploitative psychic experiences, balanced by openness to real connection

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For Listeners

If you’re new to Two Girls One Ghost, this episode is a stellar example: vivid storytelling, irreverent humor, and relatable explorations of the unknown—with both touching and truly weird moments. Whitney brings both frankness and witchy wisdom, and listeners get a behind-the-scenes look at the overlap between reality TV and the (paranormal) real world.

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Transcript

[Whitney Way Thore]

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[Corinne]

I need to see the doctor. And I need to see the doctor right frickin now.

[Whitney Way Thore]

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[Sabrina]

We're so excited for this episode.

[Corinne]

Yes, we are.

[Sabrina]

Because my senior year self manifested the reality of us becoming reality TV stars. I guess.

[Corinne]

And I feel like the weather today is celebrating this because it's August, but it feels like a crisp fall day, which is to us, spooky season. And we got to do some spooky things with a spooky bad bitch.

[Sabrina]

Whitney Way Thor from My Big Fat Fabulous Life. If you haven't watched, it's season 13, spooky, number 13 of My Big Fat Fabulous Life on TLC. And yours truly, your two spooky ghouls are on the show, which is wild. We're on a couple episodes. Whitney comes to Salem, or came to Salem, and we showed her a spooky time. And then the episode that comes out the same day that this episode comes out features Whitney here in the studio recording this very episode you're about to watch.

[Corinne]

So enjoy and tune in to My Big Fat Fabulous Life on tlc.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Very spooky.

[Corinne]

This is three girls, indeterminate number of ghosts. Three girls, indeterminate number of ghosts.

[Sabrina]

That was intimate.

[Whitney Way Thore]

God, it felt good.

[Sabrina]

And we are your ghostesses. That is Corinne. Hello, I am Sabrina. And we are joined today by an extra special witchy sister, Whitney.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Hi, I'm Whitney.

[Corinne]

Hello.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I'm so excited to be here.

[Sabrina]

We're so happy to have you here.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I've never been happier actually in my life. This is a real life fantasy come true.

[Sabrina]

Is it bad that I'm concerned for you, that this is the happiest you've ever been?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Probably. But just let me live in my world, you know?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, let you live your life.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Let me experience the disappointment later. But for now, I'm still excited.

[Sabrina]

I'm so glad you're happy right now. That's all that matters.

[Corinne]

Yeah, I feel like you're a queen at manifesting because you were listening to two girls, one ghost, and now you're on it.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Look, y' all have been in bed with me for a long time and now I am in the studio. So do you ever fall asleep to our podcast?

[Corinne]

Cause some people say that constantly.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We. But it's a good thing. Like, I don't listen to it to fall asleep because I don't like it. I listen to it to fall asleep because it soothes me and it makes me feel comfortable. And then the next day, if I didn't listen to the whole thing, I just replay it. And I replay it until I'm done with the episode.

[Sabrina]

Wow. That's commitment.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And recently, I got really sick. I had the flu for the first time since I was in college. I actually went back. Cause I think I've only been listening to you guys for, like, three years or maybe four years. So I went all the way back to the very beginning because I was so ill. And I just was in my bed for, like, I think eight full days. And all I did was listen to your podcast from the very beginning.

[Sabrina]

The early days.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. And I want to say, you've always been good, but you're just getting better.

[Corinne]

Thank you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Just want to say.

[Corinne]

Yeah, you know what? I hope. I hope so, because we did not know what we were doing.

[Sabrina]

And now we're in a phase where we're doing spooky things. And we did a really spooky thing with you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I know.

[Sabrina]

In Salem.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I know.

[Sabrina]

We did a seance. We did a paranormal investigation, did table tipping. We did.

[Whitney Way Thore]

What was it?

[Sabrina]

The automatic writing.

[Corinne]

Yes. So many things that we've never done, we've talked about, we've covered on the show, but we'd never done it until we piggybacked on your girls trip.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I'm so excited because I have never, until this trip or until that trip, been up to Massachusetts, certainly never been to Salem. So this is like a huge dream come true for me. Also, I am from North Carolina, wherein there are the Appalachian Mountains. I went to Appalachian State University. Okay. So there's a hater, too.

[Sabrina]

Or two or three.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I feel like a Southern haint is a little bit different than a New England hay.

[Corinne]

It's spookier.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You know what I mean? It's. A southern haint is like woods and creeks and the holler and the sasquatch. That's what I'm thinking. Like. Yeah. And deliver. Yes. That is. That's a Southern hay.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And a New England hay is very historic and very.

[Corinne]

The red coats are coming.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yes. So it's a whole different vibe. But I was really excited to experience it. I thought we had an amazing time.

[Sabrina]

It was so much fun. So this episode, we're gonna do a little bit of like showing some footage from our investigation from the seance as we talk about it. But we also you've teased us so much about your own paranormal experiences. So we gotta start there.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Sabrina, I'm gonna be honest with you. I definitely over promised and I will now under deliver because I don't have the audio and you know, no one.

[Corinne]

No, it's still a good story. Cause told me you've told me before.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I don't know that it's a good one. It's just like my only one. Well, I did have that under trampoline ghost who touched my ass.

[Corinne]

Wait, what?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, okay, I'll get to that.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So yeah, okay, duh. And, and, and like you, I love like a sex ghost. I pray for an entity to enter my body. I want to penetrate me fully.

[Sabrina]

I'm there with you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I need it so, so bad.

[Sabrina]

Consensual penetration.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I'm telling you right now to any and all. Yeah, you have. You have the. Okay.

[Corinne]

Okay. I feel like that's a risky thing to say though given from where you're from. Because it doesn't. I mean like I don't care.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Wendy boy. I don't care if you're a God. I don't care if you're a flesh pedestrian.

[Sabrina]

Okay. The not deer though. Their limbs are kind of wonky. I don't really know.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I think an antler might be fun and. Oh my God. And what in the shape of water.

[Corinne]

Whitney.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I don't care if you're a diamond.

[Corinne]

Oh my God.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Get into.

[Sabrina]

This is a rated R episode for everyone who's listening.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And we should probably let everybody know. If you want to see other footage of this, of course you can see this on my Big Fat Fabulous Life.

[Corinne]

Yes.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. I don't know when that will air and I don't know when this will.

[Sabrina]

Air, but we'll try to air them around the same time. And if people are watching on YouTube, you might also notice some cameras in the background because we're filming.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We have Garrett there. Garrett, wave a little. Wave. Hi, Garrett. We've got Marlene. She is our staunch German engineer. And then we've got Trevor. He's the eye candy over by Sven. Yeah. Hi, Sven. Hi, big boy. He's.

[Sabrina]

He's a little bit worse for wear.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Limb.

[Corinne]

That's actually a mystery of this office is we left him in here fully complete.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Whole body. I didn't come back into the office for maybe a month or two. Suddenly broken in pieces. So what is left of him is hanging here. He was literally sitting in a chair. And then when I came back in, like, post maternity leave, he was in pieces.

[Sabrina]

His lower half ran away.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I'm confusion, mild to moderate about that because. Me too, you know? But I say we let Sven live his best life. Who knows what he was getting into in here.

[Corinne]

He clearly didn't want his bottom half. Didn't need it.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Didn't need it. You know what would be easier? If I could just get rid of mine. Life would be easier.

[Corinne]

You need yours, though, if you want to be listening.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Nobody's using. It's just here for the.

[Sabrina]

Well, you know, you put it out there in the universe. And I hope for you, Whitney, that that really does happen for you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Me too. I hope so, too. You know, this is a quick trip back up here, but I thought to myself, like, I want to pick up an entity while I'm here and bring it back. You know what I mean?

[Sabrina]

You have some opportunity, but you have ghost stories, okay?

[Whitney Way Thore]

So like I said, it's. It's. Nobody get excited. However, when I was 10 years old, I did have a Michael Jackson haint. A lot of people want to be hainted by Michael Jackson, but very few actually are. So when I was, I think, in fifth grade, I had a tape. And you guys are gonna have to really go back with me. Cause I'm older than you, and some of our listeners here might be young, but back in the day, you had to, like, tape songs off the radio, like, cassette tapes, or you bought.

[Corinne]

We were there. We were the last, I think, of that group to do that.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay, good. So you guys are still aware of that?

[Corinne]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay. Because I had an assistant who was.

[Corinne]

The transition to CDs, and I asked.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Her once to go grab the walkman that was in my office. And she literally had no idea what I was talking about. Shout out to Morgan. So I had this cassette tape that had been recorded from someone's cd, and it was the Michael Jackson Bad album. Okay. And I listened to it all day long, all the time. And I just had a little boombox with, you know, the one tape deck. And back then, if you wanted to record something on top of it, you had to hit play and record at the same time. And then you could, like, literally put your voice on it, right?

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So I listened to it constantly. I was so familiar with it. And I went to school one day, I'd been listening to it, came home, I played it again. I was listening to the song Bad. We all know this One, right?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Now you wanna sing it for us?

[Whitney Way Thore]

No. And I lied. It wasn't bad. It was Beat It.

[Corinne]

I don't know why I saw it, so.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, exactly. So I played it, and all of a sudden there was like, a crackle and a voice came on, but it didn't totally come over top. Like, you could still hear the music in the background. Which back then, that would have been impossible to do. Like, you would have had to been a sound engineer to, like, know how to do that. And you hear this, like, breathy, scary voice. And she goes, this is Annie. Just like that.

[Sabrina]

This is Annie.

[Whitney Way Thore]

It sounded to me like, this is Annie. It's two breaths. This is Annie. And then full volume comes back. Okay. Oh, right. So I immediately think that my brother has done it to fuck with me. Because he used to also, like, put with chalk, right? Draw on the brick of the house. Like, big, big footprints. Bigfoot can't walk up walls.

[Sabrina]

He might be able to.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We don't know.

[Corinne]

We don't know.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So immediately I blame my brother, right? Go to my parents. My parents are so mad at him because he's messed up my Michael Jackson tape. He's, like, about to get grounded, but then he, like, starts crying. Like, so once he starts crying, it's like, okay, he didn't do it, right? So that's the Michael Jackson hate. And for years, all the way until I was in high school, when we moved to another house, I would play that tape for people. And I would always be so afraid that it would be gone, you know? And I'm like, no, no, I'm prove it to you. Here it is. But it was never gone. It was always there. And my mother, she was a creepy witch. Okay. Her name was Babs. And she. We used to have Halloween parties and she would play it. And she used to, like, have to present herself to the children and be like, this is real. Because nobody believed me. She would pull out the Ouija board.

[Corinne]

No.

[Sabrina]

Who's Annie?

[Whitney Way Thore]

We don't. We'll never know. But Annie's clearly not okay.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, the way that, like, the really breathy. It's almost like she was running to take an opportunity.

[Whitney Way Thore]

This is Annie. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

That's so sweet.

[Whitney Way Thore]

She wanted me for something, and I never gave it to her. Here I am, like 30 years later, and I just still don't know what she. What she needed.

[Sabrina]

But, Annie, if you are with us, what if all of the lights went out?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Do you know, I never tried to contact Annie.

[Sabrina]

Really?

[Corinne]

What were you doing with the Ouija board then?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, my mom and I had one Ouija board hate some guy who had died and driven off a cliff.

[Corinne]

Oh my God.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I don't remember his name. And then one time we had a perfume haint and a cigar hate. And then I had the trampoline haint. Okay, I've had a few haints.

[Sabrina]

I want to. I want to hear about the trampoline.

[Corinne]

Yeah, I want toucher.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. Well, when I was in middle school, we had a trampoline in the backyard. And my friend and I, we would.

[Corinne]

Be out there like late at night.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Sitting on the trampoline, just talking and there would be something that would grab our butts from underneath. Ew. Yep.

[Sabrina]

Pervy goes.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yep. Maybe like a.

[Sabrina]

That could have been your. I mean, granted you were middle school, but go back.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Exactly.

[Sabrina]

You'd be like, hey, it's been a long time, but I've known you for a really long time.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I'm of age. I'm of a certain age now. That was my trampoline troll. Yeah.

[Corinne]

I just keep thinking about what it could possibly be. I'm scared for you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I feel like it could have been some sort of troll because it definitely felt to me because I've had my butt grabbed a time or two. I'll be honest.

[Sabrina]

I'm fine by humans.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I'm 41.

[Sabrina]

By humans or ghosts?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Humans.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So it felt to me as though it was someone standing and pushing their hands up. Because if you were seated. I don't know, I just. I. So I have to believe that it's like a two foot tall, interesting being.

[Corinne]

I know I talk a lot about Bigfoot and I'm such a Bigfoot lover.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So am I.

[Corinne]

But if I did get to see like one sort of like cryptid creature, I really would love to see like a troll or a gnome or something like that. Like that to me feels so I guess because there's the possibility of communication. Right. Like I might be able to talk to them.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Right. And they like live in a tree or something.

[Sabrina]

I feel like you're more likely to talk to Bigfoot than a troll. You're. You're well on your way.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Wait, didn't I give you guys a Bigfoot?

[Sabrina]

Colt.

[Whitney Way Thore]

What is it? I wonder what sound it makes.

[Corinne]

Wait, where is it?

[Sabrina]

It's over in the kitchen.

[Corinne]

Oh, man. Okay. Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I wasn't sure even what sound that that would make, but I feel like with a troll, I feel like they are more human. So maybe there's a chance that they could speak the language to Me, it feels very green witch. Very like magical. Very like lives, you know, in the trunk of a tree.

[Corinne]

Yeah, like water's my tribes for me.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Mushrooms are about things like that. Yeah, I can see that.

[Sabrina]

I like that We've never covered trolls on the podcast. We've only done gnomes.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You know what I found in the attic recently?

[Sabrina]

What?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, okay, my dad. I'm. This is off topic. I'm also trying to get pregnant. Okay. So my dad had gone up in the attic and gotten me all this stuff from my childhood that my mother had like saved for me. And one of the things was a huge box of my troll dolls. Remember those from like the 90s? I have like a hundred of them.

[Sabrina]

I love their little spiky hair.

[Corinne]

I was so obsessed with just stroking their hair, touching their hair.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, I feel like there's a lot.

[Corinne]

Of witchy things that you can do to try to get pregnant too. There's a lot of different rituals, but I feel like one of the things that a lot of people do is like wrapping up a baby blanket or like a onesie underneath their Christmas tree. Just to say like next year there.

[Sabrina]

There will be eating apple seeds apparently too.

[Corinne]

Oh, that's like a New England. That's interesting superstition.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I had a full on womb ritual performed by my friend Ashley. It definitely didn't work. So I actually ordered some sperm. Okay, I've got three. Three chance Amazon. Add to cart, add to cart, add to cart. I ordered it from a site. Okay, I get. They send one sample at a time and they send it in this big like nitrogen tank thing. So I did have an at home insemination kit. And before that Ashley performed an entire womb ritual which she said that she like extensively researched. We had to make these like twig dolls to like keep under the bed. She painted like an egg wash onto my stomach. We. Well, actually it was really sad. She went to sage my undercarriage and the sage went out immediately. I was like, my pussy. Put that sage right on out. Right on out.

[Corinne]

I don't need to be cleansed.

[Sabrina]

I'm obsessed with this.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We did a lot. There was also a turtle involved. Do you know about turtles being something like some sign of fertility? Like she brought like a. I thought it was real at first and I was terrified. She brought a turtle in an aquarium into the room to. To, to bear witness. What a good friend it was really.

[Corinne]

These are extremely.

[Sabrina]

These are. Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I'll say one thing, my friends are very supportive and everyone really wants me to get pregnant. And it unfortunately, it hasn't happened. I did the first insemination by myself, and then the second insemination I'm gonna have the doctor do.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Corinne]

Do you feel, like, lay backwards or something?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, afterwards.

[Sabrina]

Legs up.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. After that. Yep. I had to lay down and. And hold that position for a little while. Yep.

[Sabrina]

Wow. I'm really picturing it now. Yeah. I'm glad I can't get out of my head. Yeah.

[Corinne]

Wow.

[Sabrina]

Well, we're. We're wishing and hoping for you and sending all of our fertility magic right away.

[Corinne]

I know. I'm, like, racking my brain right now trying to think of all the different rituals and, like, things that we could do.

[Sabrina]

You have, like, a weird gift.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You have a husband.

[Sabrina]

Corinne has a weird gift.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, what's that?

[Sabrina]

I feel like every time you think.

[Corinne]

Of it, I point my finger and say something, it tends to happen, which is really creepy.

[Sabrina]

Point of dying.

[Corinne]

I've accidentally had people.

[Sabrina]

Point.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Taking Harry away. So you don't inseminate him. It's like, it's not about you, Harry.

[Corinne]

I've accidentally had people die, but I've also accidentally had people.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I'm sorry, Pause.

[Corinne]

Become pregnant.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I've accidentally had people die.

[Sabrina]

A teacher.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Wait, do I want to risk. Okay, so either you point me.

[Sabrina]

She said. Yeah, she said. She said specifically with her finger, like, I curse you.

[Corinne]

Yeah. And my brother. Same thing. The, like, one time he's done it, that person did also perish. So we were both like, wow, you're joking.

[Sabrina]

But you've also. But then I. Yeah, you've had it happen with pregnancies and stuff.

[Corinne]

Yes, with a few friends that have tried to get pregnant within, like, a few days of me being like, you're next.

[Sabrina]

Whitney is womb out.

[Corinne]

Like, wait, okay, well, I can't do it under pressure. I'm just gonna do it at some random point during this episode.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay, I'm ready. Okay. I'll just be ready. I mean, I'll stay ready. I stay ready.

[Corinne]

Because you don't want to, like, I have to feel it. It has to, like, just be completely natural and come, and then I'll inseminate you.

[Sabrina]

It has to come. Yes, you have to come.

[Corinne]

I'll come, and I'll throw it at you.

[Sabrina]

You have had a lot of paranormal experiences. And then we had quite a few things happen when we were at the Henry Derby house and specifically with the seance where Lian from Pentagram came and kind of, like, walked us through different forms of communicating, but your mom came through Henchy, your cat came through which.

[Corinne]

I also just have to point out that you booked the house, being like, oh, my God, I booked this really cool, like, historical, old looking New England house. And you send us the listing, and we're like, whitney, we just were there. That place is super haunted. We just did a full investigation. And you're like, oh, my God.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, I didn't even realize when I booked it. I was like, oh, my God, they're gonna think this house is so cool. And then you're like, we were just there.

[Corinne]

I was like, oh, but also like, it's haunted. And you had some people in your party that were a little scared by that.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Absolutely. Honestly, you know, for me, I thought it was all very interesting. I'll be honest. I don't know that I ever felt scared. I felt intrigued, I felt curious, I felt interested. I never felt scared. But the. The scariest thing in the house to me was that doll Courtney.

[Corinne]

How was that scary? You were breastfeeding the doll. I feel like you felt super connected to the doll.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I did feel connected, but she wanted to creep me out at first, but then I felt that she needed to be breastfed. And this is a thing with me. So obviously I have not been a mother yet, but I have breastfeeding dreams. Constant. Sometimes it's an iguana hanging off the tit, Sometimes it's a dog. It's a ferret. It's like, you just don't know what it's gonna be. What does that mean?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, what does that mean exactly?

[Whitney Way Thore]

But usually the scary thing is, the reason I. I immediately breastfed Courtney, is because in my dreams, what always happens is I, like, come to, like, I'll just be going about my day somewhere, and all of a sudden I'm like, well, holy crap, I have a. An infant that needs to be breastfed. And then I have to go in search of. Of said infant, whether it's a ferret or a baby or whatever it is. And then I find it, and I always think it's dead. And I put it to my teat, and I encourage it to suckle. And if I don't bring that thing back to life. And it's always that way. That's always how I dream it.

[Sabrina]

You're making this sound, like, so romantic.

[Corinne]

And like, wait, no, but this is turning into a horror movie. Like, the pressure.

[Sabrina]

Okay, but to talk out of my ass, because I don't know anything about dream interpretation, but it does feel like it's a metaphor for how much energy you give to other people.

[Corinne]

I Was thinking the same thing.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

And you're constantly pouring into others.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

Literally to the point where you're deployed, giving them life and giving them your own resources.

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's very interesting. I've never thought about it that way. I always took it, I guess, more literally because I've always wanted to be a mom. But then I have a lot of anxiety about being a mom. I'm sure, Corinne, you can probably relate to that. Like, unless you just think that you're just a great mom, you don't have any worries. Well, then forget you, then.

[Sabrina]

Fuck you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, exactly. Fuck you.

[Corinne]

I'm over here riddled with postpartum depression and anxiety. I think I have the most worries.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Exactly. So I always took it like that. And sometimes it, like, kind of scared me because I was like, God, would I be one of those moms that just, like, forgets they have a child? Like, you know, and that's. That anxiety in the dream is horrible. Just like the moment that I realize when I remember that I have an infant somewhere.

[Sabrina]

Interesting.

[Corinne]

My body's, like, reacting to this story. I don't mean to. Anxious. No. I'm just like, did I just forget that I had a child?

[Whitney Way Thore]

No, you didn't. He's right outside. I saw him earlier.

[Corinne]

Yes, he's here.

[Whitney Way Thore]

He's present. He's right cute about it. He is. Right? Right.

[Sabrina]

So cute.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So what's the strangest thing? You've breastfed in your dreams?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, probably an animal, I really think. There was one time where there was an iguana, and that was weird to me because it's not usually reptilians, it's usually mammals that I'm feeding. And I remember the iguana was just kind of hanging there. Like, I transported him. Like, he had mobile feeding.

[Corinne]

Like, oh, wow.

[Sabrina]

Feeding on the gun. He was just dangling there, and you were hands free.

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's exactly it for you.

[Corinne]

That is a dream. It is really hard to just breastfeed on the go.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, I'm sure it is.

[Sabrina]

Wow.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So, you know, it's. I have actually very vivid dreams. I'm sure you guys have done some sort of dream episode, have you?

[Sabrina]

We've done different, like, listener story dreams.

[Corinne]

Dreams. But not. No, like, interpretation.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Because I remember once, I think these were encounters, but, like, where people would. There's a name for this. Where they would meet in. In, like a dream world.

[Sabrina]

Like sexual projection, that kind of thing.

[Whitney Way Thore]

But I've never actually projected. But I have very vivid dreams. More than anyone I've ever met. I dream Constantly. So many things. It's like a movie. It's sometimes it's premonition. Like, it's crazy.

[Sabrina]

What have you had?

[Whitney Way Thore]

This is the weirdest one, that this is the first one I remember ever having when I was younger.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I had this dream. Like I said, I dream like movies. I mean, the details. It's crazy. And I was just looking at this cooler. I was kind of like, on a bank. There was water in front of me. There was a big cooler, and there was a big old fish. Like a gutted fish laying on some ice. Right. No idea what it meant. Just that that image was with me. Not two days later did I go with my brother to some, like, boy Scout thing. And I walked over and looked down into this cooler and saw this big old gutted fish laying on that. It was exactly what I dreamed. Exactly.

[Sabrina]

I feel like TV and movies make it seem like OCD is this thing that magically helps characters solve crimes or keep their house really clean.

[Corinne]

That is not ocd.

[Sabrina]

OCD is a serious and highly misunderstood condition that causes people to get stuck in a cycle of stressful, unwanted thoughts, like intrusive thoughts and repetitive behaviors, compulsions which can become debilitating.

[Corinne]

And I would know because I have ocd. So imagine your brain just being stuck on the worst thought that you've ever had. And I'm talking like an unwanted thought. Like, that memory doesn't feel clear. Did I make it up? What if something bad happened and I forgot? What if I murdered my brother and he's no longer alive and everyone else is just faking things around me? The thought plays over and over and over in your mind. It's really hard to get out of that spiral.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

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[Sabrina]

It's so interesting because that makes me think about time. Like, is everything existing all at once? And it was like less of a premonition. It was more of like you were living it.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. Already I saw it like, yeah.

[Corinne]

Did your mom have stuff like this? Oh, yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

My mom was very psychic. Yeah, my mom was extremely psychic. Just knowing things before they happened. And I was always the type, like, you know, in school, for example, I just knew anytime I was going to be called on, I knew, like, every time I was like, oh, that's gonna be me, or whatever. And it always was. And she would use her power. She was a good witch. She would use. Well, she was kind of a bad witch, too. She would bring voodoo dolls to my soccer games. Okay. And my dad was president soccer association. My God, that's the best boss. Badass bitch.

[Corinne]

Like, I love. Pull up your dating app right now because that needs to be the answer to one of the prompts. Like, immediately. Two truths and a lie. My mom would bring voodoo dolls to my soccer game.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Bab's Thor sitting there with her little soccer visor on. With her voodoo. She. And she brought ones for other people.

[Corinne]

Y' all need a voodoo doll.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I've got an extra. And she would literally make the little. So if we were playing our rival.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Our rival team was the Soccer Bells. So we're playing the soccer.

[Sabrina]

Soccer.

[Whitney Way Thore]

She would have the soccer ball. She would have a little soccer ball uniform. You know, she would put. I mean, my mom went all in. She took Motherhood. Very.

[Sabrina]

That is amazing.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. And she's probably the reason for all my success and all my trauma, but she used to work on stuff for me, right? So I'd be like, mom, I need you to work on this. She'd be like, whitney, I'm working as much as I can. But that was just her putting her mental energy, like, towards something. And she died two years ago. And even when she. The last year of her life, when she was compromised a lot, like, cognitively, she. But she was still there. She was definitely still there. And I would still say to her sometimes, like, mommy, are you still working on things? Like working on my man or, like, who I'm gonna marry or whatever? And she was like, I'm working on it.

[Sabrina]

And I fully believe she's still working on it.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, yeah.

[Sabrina]

Probably has more ability to work on it from the other side.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I know. I know.

[Sabrina]

I also keep trying to find a way to connect Annie to all of this. And, like. Like, what if Annie's your future child?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Maybe. Like, I've been looking for Annie, like I said, for 30 years. I've been wanting to know about it. I just don't know.

[Corinne]

Well, I do feel like we hear stories like that, too, where people keep seeing. Like, they're almost, like, haunted by the image of this, like, young child or. Or, like, this one person, and then they realize much later in life that that is their kid. When their kid is, like, seven or.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Right.

[Corinne]

14 or whatever, they're like, oh, my God, that's them.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. And I just feel like, who knows? Because with me, my motherhood journey is still so wide open. Like, I could get accidentally pregnant. Although I've been trying for a long time to do that. Never happened. But I could get accidentally pregnant. I could get inseminated. And then I really. I looked into adoption years ago, but you know what they told me?

[Corinne]

What?

[Whitney Way Thore]

They told me that I didn't fit the criteria because of my bmi, my depression diagnosis, and the fact that I was single. And I was like, if I wasn't single, fat and crazy, I would need to adopt. Okay? Like, I would. I would certainly have no problem. That's exactly why I'm here. See? So adoption might be difficult for me, but it's definitely something I've all. Actually, I've always considered that. And when I lived in Korea in my early 20s, adoption. This is about 15 years ago, so adoption was still really stigmatized there. And I always thought, I would love to adopt a Korean baby. But I went on that website, and they Won't let me adopt their babies either.

[Sabrina]

That's so crazy.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

I'm sorry.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sabrina]

Especially when you like, it's look at like there's no tests for parents.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

And it's interesting, many of us are very medicated for all the same things certainly.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And with the BMI thing, they just check the bmi, but they're not looking at. Okay, but do you have high blood pressure? Do you have some like chronic illness? Like are you not going to be around for. They're not checking any of that. They're only checking the BMI so you could have like all these health problems and be thin. And they're like, yeah, cool, we'll give you a baby.

[Corinne]

Which is so wild. And BMI is also ridiculous, of course.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Those are fake numbers. They don't actually indicate.

[Whitney Way Thore]

No.

[Corinne]

You know what I always say that this is like the greatest thing is to be a pie on those charts. Because if anyone tried to kidnap us, I'm like, I know that I would have a few seconds where they're struggling, where I could make some extra moves. Right.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You know, if we were in the Dolotov Pass incident or anything like that. We're in Siberia, we're in a plane crash. I'm gonna live off this fat for a long time. See then I also feel like I'm like, I gotta learn some self defense because they would absolutely be trying to murder me first because they could eat me. Who wants to read something really crazy? Cuz I'm about to let you see something. Okay, so you know I've been on television for over a decade now, right? I just get the strangest messages from people and this, I promise, this relates. Who wants to read it?

[Sabrina]

Did they want to eat your toe?

[Whitney Way Thore]

This is the message that I got yesterday. Oh no, please go ahead. We could do a whole segment on now. Go ahead, read it.

[Sabrina]

Hello, Ms. Whitney Thor. I am an 18 year old boy who has dreamed since childhood that my flesh would be roasted and you would eat me. I would like to be your food and you would eat me. I ask you not to give up on my offer because I have sweet and delicious flesh. If you accept my offer, let me know so that my long standing wish may come true, y' all.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I have gotten some weird shit in life that, that is the weirdest.

[Corinne]

Yeah, but this is like a thing where it goes beyond fetishes. Like people have actually like signed up and died this way.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I know. You know that cannibalist guy? Yeah.

[Sabrina]

There's a German one Too. Where? Like, Craigslist.

[Whitney Way Thore]

He's. Oh, I know that one. Yeah. 18 years. 18.

[Sabrina]

And he wants to be eaten by you, Whitney.

[Corinne]

I feel sick.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Isn't it gross?

[Sabrina]

That's quite the honor. Of all people, he chose you usually.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, I feel usually people want to eat me.

[Sabrina]

So I was like, this is a better.

[Whitney Way Thore]

This role reversal.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I prefer this.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. But I started to really get into it as I was thinking. I was like, well, am I eating him, like, while he's alive? Because I'm like, if he's already dead, then he doesn't know he's being eaten, you know? So I'm like, how does that work exactly? And how would we go about it?

[Corinne]

Have you ever been to the Cannibal Museum in San Diego? I don't know if it's a traveling museum, but no.

[Whitney Way Thore]

No, I have not. But it sounds like you have.

[Corinne]

I have, but they have. At the very end, they have a really interesting, like, board where they have magnets, and people on their way out can. Can, like, vote on what they would consider cannibalism. Because after you learn all about it, it's like, well, what do you consider. Do you consider, like, if you.

[Sabrina]

The skin particles that are in the air that we're breathing in every.

[Corinne]

Yeah, exactly. Like dust breathing in. Is that cannibalism is biting your fingernails and then. And then, like, literally swallowing it or like a booger or something?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Is that what I mean? Is that cannibalism?

[Corinne]

Is that cannibalism? Right, exactly. So it is an interesting. Like, what's the line? Because if it's just truly deflated by.

[Sabrina]

Light, I think the line is literally severing off someone's body part.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Right, right.

[Sabrina]

And cooking it up on a nice skillet or a barbecue and ingesting.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. I would say, to me, it's got to be something about the body part literally becoming unattached from the body. Like, that's a different ball game. Like, if I'm licking your face, that's one thing. If I have your thumb in my mouth, we're in a different.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I don't want to hear your severed thumb.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Right.

[Sabrina]

Some people like a thumb sucking, you.

[Corinne]

Know, I cannot relate at all to cannibalism, but what I can relate. Like, I could see myself being that lady who, like, wore diapers, chopped off a penis, and then, like, drove 12 hours straight and chucked it out the window.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Sorry, what? Like, okay, I can see that, too. To be honest, I've listened to your podcast for a long time, and that Was the funniest, most shocking thing I've ever heard. Like, typically, I know you guys well enough from listening to you. I know where you're going with it.

[Sabrina]

I was a curveball.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I was unawares.

[Sabrina]

That took me by surprise.

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's rich.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, the detail there. You're wearing a diaper as well.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, no, this is the thing.

[Corinne]

You guys don't remember this?

[Sabrina]

No, this is a real person.

[Corinne]

Yes, yes, there was a few years ago. Who. She. She. I forget exactly why she wanted to do this, but.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Motivation's unimportant.

[Corinne]

Yeah, motivation's unimportant. But her partner, she chopped off his penis, put on diapers, and went on like a 12 hour road trip and chucked it out of the window.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And do you know what, though? I feel like this is the perfect amalgamation of Lorena Bobbitt and then that woman who was like, she worked in the space industry and she killed somebody, like her boyfriend's lover or something. And she drove with diapers so that, like, she didn't have to stop.

[Corinne]

Right, Right.

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's like the two of these crossings.

[Corinne]

We got to do what you got to do.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Where's she. Where's your husband at?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, right. His wedding ring was, like, lingering on a table there somewhere.

[Whitney Way Thore]

No, I haven't. See, I. I've yet to meet Brian, so I don't know that he actually exists. And I'm just gonna put that out.

[Sabrina]

There for really enjoy. The Corinne has prepared for us after this.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, how exciting.

[Sabrina]

It's Brian on a platter.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Some meat is, like, all we're eating.

[Corinne]

Oh, God.

[Sabrina]

Some tartar. Wow. How did we get here?

[Corinne]

I don't know, but we do need to go back to. Let's talk about what actually happened when we were at.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yes, yes.

[Sabrina]

So let's talk about the seance a little bit more.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay.

[Corinne]

At the Henry Derby house, which is where you and some of your girlfriends were staying.

[Sabrina]

Sabrina and I came, crashed the party.

[Corinne]

With some witchy Salem people.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We were super happy about it.

[Sabrina]

It was really fun. And we had never done a seance before. That was our first time. We all sat around and Leigh Ann led us through connecting. I mean, it was really interesting, too, because I feel like since there was such a big group, I was like, how is she going to tap in and know who she's tapping into? But a lot of stuff came through and she seemed to be able to do it so, so quickly.

[Corinne]

I also was really surprised at what the seance was like because I think from movies and stuff, like I was picturing the others where we were, like, all around a table, and, like, someone's.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Like, basically getting, like, eyes rolling back. I see the woman.

[Corinne]

Like, that's kind of what I was thinking. Candles are, like, extra, extra spooky. But it was really beautiful. Like, there was a lot of connection between all of us during it.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

I thought truly the Cuddle coven was born out of the seance.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. It felt very sisterhoodish, and it just felt very. I almost thought seances were scary. Yeah.

[Corinne]

Like.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Or you didn't know what was gonna happen. But it just felt very comfortable and, like, I would say it was affirming and encouraging and warm.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I feel like almost everybody had somebody come through.

[Sabrina]

You know what the wildest thing actually, for me was when we were doing the automatic writing. And I actually didn't tell you this because I didn't, like, at the time. I was like, whoa. But Corinne had, like. Her automatic writing was, like, a full sentence, like, a full thought.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yours was really beautiful. I remember that.

[Sabrina]

It was 100% for me, and I believe it was my house communicating to me.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Stop.

[Sabrina]

Because at the time, I was actually not living in my house. I was, like, living in an apartment down the street. And I think the house missed me. And we'll have to. I have the piece of paper somewhere. But it was like. What was it like? White house.

[Corinne]

It was like white house, like dirt road, which originally your house was built on dirt road. And then it was just like. Yeah, I can't remember.

[Sabrina]

It was about, like, missing you. And then.

[Corinne]

Yeah, there was a lot. I can't remember the. I was so confused about it, and I was like, what is this? Because it felt like. And I kept seeing this, like, brunette woman, but, like, she wouldn't show her face, and it was like she was cloaked. And it felt like there was kind of, like, this, like, stuff stickiness between me and that person where I, like, I couldn't fully figure out what was going on. So I didn't maybe know that it was Sabrina.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You know what? This is crazy. And I was so. I know you're not probably not supposed to be jealous while you're doing these. I was really jealous of your automatic writing because mine was like. I think I started writing, like, the. Actually, I'm just gonna embarrass myself. I was just writing the lyrics to UB40's Red Red Wine. That's what my automatic writing was.

[Corinne]

Well, honestly, sometimes you have to, like, do stuff like that to get your brain, like, flowing. And for you to not really think about something and then other stuff.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And then Corinne came out, like, poetic, like, narrative about. About a house on a dirt road. And then to now know that it actually was speaking to you.

[Corinne]

Isn't that wild? Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

That is crazy.

[Corinne]

It was crazy because, like, I was so confused by it. And then we were whispering on the side, like, in that room. She was, like, pointing out, like, the lines that I was reading. Wait, your chicken soup or whatever.

[Sabrina]

So I ran, because that was the thing. I was like, automatic writing is such a weird. We've never done it before. It does feel like, how do you differentiate between what is your own internal dialogue and what is, like, message from spirit? But I wrote down chicken. And then I was writing a couple things, and then I wrote Soup. And when we were going around, I was like, I don't know. Like, maybe this means something. I wrote Chicken Soup, and Leigh Ann was like, that's the title of the song that my mom and I loved.

[Corinne]

It was like, their song.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Do you remember how Leanne knew that we had been to the Boston Ballet as well, Me and Ashley and Jessica? She was like. She wrote down Opera House. Yeah. We were just there.

[Corinne]

It's so. Oh, I'm like, getting chills right now because it's all so spooky. It's like the spirits are all telling on us to each other. They have no secrets.

[Sabrina]

They're always watching.

[Corinne]

They're always watching. We might not know what it means, but, like, someone else in the room.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Is like, well, careful when we're doing automatic writing. You really do, because they will be airing your tea out to all manner of people.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. The one thing that I was just a little bit skeptical of in the experience.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, I bet I know what you're gonna say was the table. Table tipping. Same. Same.

[Corinne]

This happened so fast.

[Sabrina]

It was so. And, like, Corinne and I were at the one end of the table, and it was the only end of the table that wasn't really lifting. And Corinne and I looked at each other as it was happening. We're like, I don't know.

[Corinne]

And we had that experience a lot with, like, Ouija boards and stuff where it's like. Like, the two of us there, it doesn't move. And then one other person's hand is on. And then all of a sudden, it's.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Moving, and we're like, that's how I felt. It didn't feel like anything was happening to me, or I was like, some. Something's doing this, but it's not me. Like, what is happening? Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And we did bring it up to.

[Corinne]

Some other spooky people in the community where we were, like, we witnessed our first table tipping, but we were not sure what to think of the experience. And one person told us. They were like, oh, my gosh, you should see. And I can't remember the name of the guy, but they said that they witnessed table tipping. They've only witnessed it, like, one time before, and it was with this guy, and he does it himself. So it's like, that's where you, like, it's undeniable. It's hard when there's, like, 10 people around a table where you're like, is everyone barely putting any pressure, but it's just enough, like, light is the feather to rise.

[Whitney Way Thore]

See, I am really into a lot of spooky stuff, but I'll be honest. Like, I guess I'm a skeptic, because I've had, like, tons of psychic readings, for example, and there's only been two instances in two readings. Not even the full readings, just two little instances that actually impacted me. I want to believe, but if I don't just actually believe, I can't make myself believe.

[Sabrina]

I think healthy skepticism is good, though, because you don't want to just believe everything. Right?

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's coming from you guys. That's interesting. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Because we do believe everything.

[Corinne]

But I think.

[Sabrina]

But we more believe everything when. If someone sends us their story, like, who are we saying we believe?

[Corinne]

Like, the anecdotes, we believe people's experiences that they share with us. But when we go, like, for readings or if we're in a particular group setting where we don't, like, really know all the people that are on and on an investigation, we do have a lot of skepticism about, like, the energy brought in, like, what is actually authentically true? Is someone just responding to our reactions in our faces? Is this actually.

[Sabrina]

It's more distrust of the other people because we don't know.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Because you don't know. Yeah, yeah. It kills me, like, especially with psychic readings, like. And I just can't. I'm a very, like, no bullshit type of person. I just can't, like, in any. In any instance. So when I have a psychic giving me a reading and they're saying something and they're looking at me like, yeah, yeah. I'm just, like.

[Sabrina]

Because they're looking for cues to see if they're getting it right.

[Whitney Way Thore]

In fact, there was this one. I was in the East Village one time, like, in my early 20s, drunk as a skunk. And my friend from college she's like, oh, there's a psychic. Let's go. I was like, absolutely. We go in there. This is what this woman done told me. She told me that I was fat like the Wild Turkey. And I was like, ma', am, I came here for some shit that I don't know. You know, I didn't. I have a mirror, and I don't need you to tell me.

[Corinne]

Also, like, what part does that. Like, what does that serve? What does that mean?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, I was like. And yes, I am. And then she told me that I. She was like, like, when you make your pasta, don't put too much butter in it.

[Corinne]

And I was like, well, you man.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay, girl.

[Corinne]

Jesus.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I paid for this. I paid for this advice, right? I have had psychics tell me the most ridiculous things, but I do have a kind of a cool one. One time, I walked into a psychic, and she just looked at me and said, tell me about Korea. It was the first thing she said to me. And I. She had no way of knowing that I lived in Korea.

[Corinne]

That's crazy specific.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. And then the rest of the reading wasn't that good. But then I had another one with my mom, actually. And the. We did it for the. The show. I actually don't remember if it ever aired. This would have been season two, I think. So I don't know if it aired or not, but we did shoot it. But she was giving my mom a reading, but she was describing me. She was saying, you. You have a future in public speaking. You're writing a book. You're. You know. And I was like, okay, well, she's literally just describing me. So when she was done, she was like, does any of that resonate? And we said, well, no, it actually sounded like it was me. And she said, well, sometimes that happens, you know, the energy gets, like, confused right next to each other. So then we wrapped, and the crew's leaving and everything. My mom and I are in the car, and all of a sudden, she comes out to the car, and she goes, who's Peggy? And I was like, don't nobody know nobody named Peggy. But then my mom was like, oh, that's my mom. And I was like, mom? Your mom's name was Margaret, but apparently Peggy is the name. I had no idea.

[Corinne]

I had ne.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I didn't know my grandmother. She died when I was, like, 2 or 3. Had no idea anyone ever called her Peggy. Had no clue. So she said, oh, that's my mom. And she said, well, I. Your mom wants you to know that she is here. She didn't want to come out with the camera. She is here, and she's very proud of you. My mom immediately started crying.

[Sabrina]

Oh, that's so special.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And then she goes, and what's the connection with the Cherokee Indians again? I'm like, no idea. Well, Cherokees are in North Carolina, right? So turns out that when my mom was young, she used to go up to Cherokee, to the reservation and see this. This play that they would put on every summer. And it was a native woman who came up to my grandmother while my mom was a young child and said, what's her name? And my grandmother said, her name is Barbara. And the Cherokee woman said, you have to call her Babs. So a Cherokee woman literally named my mom.

[Sabrina]

You have to call her Babs.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And the psychic knew that. And I was like, that's kind of wild. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

See, it's instances like that where if you find someone like that, a psychic like that, hold on to them. Never let them go.

[Corinne]

Do you remember their name?

[Whitney Way Thore]

We need. No. And I never went back.

[Corinne]

Isn't that crazy?

[Whitney Way Thore]

I know I never went back, but it was. And it was funny because really, during the reading, you know, the one that we were filming, I was thoroughly unimpressed. I was like, okay. Plus, I was like, you probably Googled me. And you're like, oh, you know, so. Yeah, like, oh, you're in the performing arts. Like, okay, yeah, that's hard when you're.

[Sabrina]

Like, in the public space. And like, even when people will send us DMs, be like, oh, I got this reading for you. And it's like, well, you could have Googled that. Or did we talk about that on the podcast? And.

[Corinne]

But that's.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Those are details you didn't know even. I. Right, yeah. It's crazy that you say that, because I actually. I find this very offensive. So I. Since my mother died, you know, she was really. My entire career has just been a vehicle to, like, give my mother to the public. Like, she was the star of everything. She's amazing. And so people love her. Like, she's mothered people all over the world. Like, don't want to cry, but she's. She's wonderful. So people. In fact, I just got one the other day. Will always write to me on Instagram or wherever and be like, oh, I got this message from your mom.

[Corinne]

And.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I'm like, no, you didn't. Like, But. But to be honest, no, you didn't. And how insulting to me. And I just think, have some emotional intelligence. Like, you were a stranger who watched my mother on tv. You didn't actually know her.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Whitney Way Thore]

At all. And you're telling me that she had a chance to come communicate back to the earthly plane with someone, and she chose you of all people, rather than me? She didn't come to my dad. She come to my brother. She came to you.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Like, get a grip on life, you know? Yeah. That I actually find very offensive. And I would absolutely rather not hear that stuff.

[Sabrina]

I feel that same way with, like. You know, they talk about psychics calling in when, like, kids go missing families. It's, like, taking advantage. But I also believe that. Yes. And. But then I also believe there are people who really believe that they're being contacted by that spirit. But again, it goes back to, like, how much of this is psychological in our own head, that we're manifesting and creating because we want it to be real.

[Whitney Way Thore]

It's really fascinating. And I am one of those people, even though those are literally the only two psychic experiences that I've had that I felt like I believed in. I've had other readings that I'm like, oh, yeah, that was actually kind of accurate, but still nothing that blew me away.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

But even though I'm that much of a skeptic, I will still take every opportunity to go to a psychic.

[Corinne]

Like, well, you never know when one is gonna hit.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Exactly. I'm like, I'll still go. Like, I want to believe always, but I actually think I'm pretty skeptical when you get down to it.

[Corinne]

You know what's really interesting is I'm thinking about our listener, Litha, who? Litha. She moderates some of our stuff on two girls, one ghost. And she's just this incredible witch, basically, which has unlocked all of these powers. And in the Discord a year ago, we were witness to her suddenly getting all these messages for another listener, moderator Eric, and all these things. And Eric was giving nothing. He was like, yep. And, like, go on.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. And.

[Corinne]

And Litha kept, like, pulling things out.

[Sabrina]

Wasn't it his, like, great.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Wait, you gotta be on Patreon to get this, because I'm not on Patreon. I hate to tell y', all, but.

[Sabrina]

I did not pay no Discord.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, Discord's free.

[Corinne]

No, anyone can join.

[Sabrina]

There's, like, one Patreon, only Discord, but, like, the rest of it's free.

[Corinne]

But Litha, it's just reminding me, like, she. When I first moved into this house, I hadn't posted any pictures of it. I still very rarely post any pictures. But like, it was very fresh, very new. And Litha was like, I don't know if this means anything, Corinne, but I'm having these weird visions. And she started describing my sunroom. Exactly what it looked like. The pond in the back, like the. The forest, the amount of trees. Like, it was like, weirdly specific. And she was like, does this mean anything to you? And I was like, that's literally my house. And then she was like, and then I'm getting. And she was describing all these weird things.

[Whitney Way Thore]

It was.

[Corinne]

She was describing a basket, like a gift basket that we'd made for a neighbor who just had a baby. And she was describing everything in the basket. And I was like, that's on my counter.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Wow. I want to meet Litha. That would blow. That kind of stuff would blow me away.

[Corinne]

But, like, that's a thing where, like, she was developing these things, and so she didn't even trust herself in her reading.

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's incredible. I love it.

[Sabrina]

I know. Like, that's like one time I tried to astral project to Corinne, and like, this was when I was on the west coast. So Corinne was three hours ahead, and I knew that she was, like, asleep, and so I was like, trying to. I think I was getting a massage. So I was like, I'm in this meditative state.

[Corinne]

Like, you're thinking of me while you're, like, getting rubbed.

[Sabrina]

Well, I was like, where else am I going to astral projection? Who else is gonna believe that I'm showing up?

[Corinne]

Right?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Right.

[Corinne]

If I see you, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna call you immediately. Like, oh, my God, did you just visit me?

[Sabrina]

Exactly. But then I was like, visualizing myself leaving my body and all of this stuff. But then I was like, I've been to Corinne's place, so now am I just like, visualizing what I've already seen? And I don't think I actually showed up to your house, but I would love to.

[Corinne]

I would love for you to as well, but I do wanna talk about something on this.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yes.

[Corinne]

Sorry, yeah. Yes. And I'm pivoting.

[Sabrina]

And something else. Yes.

[Corinne]

Yes. And back to me.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Correct. Detectives arrive at Juliana Redding's house in Santa Monica, California. There was no pulse. We knew that it wasn't an accident. An alleged murder for hire fraud to the tune of $150 million.

[Corinne]

I need to see the doctor. And I need to see the doctor right frickin now.

[Whitney Way Thore]

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[Corinne]

I want to talk about this because it was something that happened in our Henry Derby investigation that we haven't talked about on the podcast, but we've alluded to on our Patreon, like, on Campfire Stories, that we had a massive discovery as to who was haunting this podcast office.

[Sabrina]

Oh, my God.

[Corinne]

Do you remember this? Yes, Remember? Okay. So there's been a lot of weird hauntings that have happened here. And one time when we first moved in, before the wallpaper and paint and everything was up, I was standing right here. There was almost nothing in this office. I was standing where Harry is, and dirt materialized and fell onto me.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yes, I heard that.

[Sabrina]

Out of nowhere.

[Corinne]

Out of nowhere. And I was like, that's poltergeist activity. There must be a demon here. But nothing.

[Sabrina]

I jumped a demon.

[Corinne]

There must be a demon. But, like, nothing else really scary happened. We understood who exactly did that when we were at the Henry Derby house because it was when we were doing our investigation, and we were upstairs in one of the rooms, and I can't remember how it happened. How were we led back down?

[Whitney Way Thore]

I remember the bull.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Because one of the, like, boxes. Although I remember what did we. There was, like, a clown car and, like, a Barbie doll.

[Sabrina]

Those were upstairs.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I think we were using something, but it told us to go to the kitchen. Remember it said kitchen? And so we went down, and then somehow we got attached to the bowl that was in that attached room.

[Sabrina]

So we sat in there.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. So we sat in there with the bowl, and then we still had the. Was that ghost tube or was that her? What do you call it?

[Sabrina]

I had ghost tube on, and then she had a REM pod.

[Whitney Way Thore]

A REM pod? Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

And then weren't you using dowsing rods?

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Or was I at that point?

[Whitney Way Thore]

You were using my rods.

[Corinne]

I was using your rods.

[Sabrina]

I'm still waiting for the moment where you point at Whitney and say, pregnant.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Me too. Have you not felt it yet?

[Sabrina]

I can't wait for you to come.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Corinne.

[Corinne]

It's coming. It's coming.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Corinne, come.

[Sabrina]

Come on. Command on demand.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Come on, Karen.

[Corinne]

Okay. No, but we were in that room, and I feel like we all had big revelations in that room.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, you're not gonna explain it for the listeners? I mean, my God. No, No, I am. Okay.

[Sabrina]

I was like, it's a big buildup.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We're waiting to hear it again.

[Corinne]

Builds up before you.

[Sabrina]

Before you come. Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

This is more foreplay than I'm Used to.

[Corinne]

Oh, my God. But when we were using all these communicative tools, we were asking questions like, who are you here to talk to someone in this room? And it said yes. And we went through everyone and then it said yes to me. And then we said, are you a relative of mine? No. Do I know you? No. And then someone, maybe it was like one of the investigators that was with us thought to ask the question, is this someone from a previous investigation somewhere that Corinne has previously been? They said yes. We went through every single place. The very last place we offered up was the conjuring house. And immediately went, yes. And then that's when I was like, are you Bob? And it said no. And then it's like, are you Peter? And Peter was the ghost at the conjuring house that I was vibing with me and Peter. Possible flirtation.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Exactly.

[Sabrina]

So the story is we were sitting in the conjuring house with Greg and Dana and we were just like chatting with the spirit box and trying to get to know the ghosts of the house. And Peter kept coming through.

[Corinne]

Yeah. And he was joking about.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So there's came through where exactly?

[Corinne]

Not through me. I was not touched or was nothing like that. But at the conjuring house, there is supposedly there's a theory that there are some buried bodies on the property and that is what is contributing to some of the hauntings. They've used the like LIDAR scan and found actually some coffin sized graves and they put out like little markers on the property.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I hate that.

[Corinne]

So Peter came through and said that he and Bob are in the dirt, that they're worm food. And he kept cracking jokes about being dead and buried underneath the dirt. And then when we were at the Henry Derby house, I was like, oh, my God, dirt. And then I was like, was that you? And he immediately went, yes. And then I was like, are you just visiting right now? Do you just come, like, time and time? No. Are you always with me?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yes. Yes. Don't tell Brian. He might get jealous.

[Sabrina]

I mean, the amount of times that Bryn talks about, like, running off with Bigfoot, I think Brian's good.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Here's the thing.

[Corinne]

Brian's never listened to an episode of this podcast, has he really not? He doesn't watch scary movies. There's so many, so many shows that, like, we'll start watching and be like, I can't watch this. I'm like, this isn't even slated as a thriller.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, that's fucking sweet.

[Corinne]

Yeah, he's too sweet. We watch like Modern Family and things.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Like that together, but yeah.

[Sabrina]

So we may have had a revelation that Peter from the conjuring house has followed Corinne.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Really, really interesting.

[Corinne]

Me and my friend Peter discovered Henry Derby.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You know, I kind of love that. Like, I guess I don't know if we all have spirit guides or whatever. Now, I did get my aura photography done here in Salem.

[Corinne]

Yes, that's right.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And it did show that I had some spirit guides and would love to know who they are, what they are or whatever. So, like, is Peter just an entity that's attached or is he attached? Like, what's the reason for his attachment?

[Corinne]

Like, is he guiding you? Yeah, he can guide.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Is he just bored?

[Corinne]

Come along at any time. Right.

[Sabrina]

Are we.

[Corinne]

Do they become.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Cuz he's obviously benign. He's not like a demon.

[Corinne]

No, no.

[Sabrina]

He's hanging out.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. What's his purpose, though? Like, what does he. What does he want from you? Because everybody wants something from someone in this world. You know what I mean?

[Sabrina]

Well, I think that's a very cynical view that you have as you continuously breastfeed everyone from your own teat.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Correct.

[Sabrina]

I think you need to have a dream where you breastfeed yourself.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Being breastfed.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Or you breastfeed yourself. Throw it up. Just clouds of rainy. As I've got things hanging off my teeth. I'm like, everybody wants something from you in this world, ladies. Oh, y' all just read me so hard, man. Wow.

[Corinne]

Okay. But you also. Henchy came through for you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay. That was the coolest thing for me, I will say out of the entire evening. That was my moment where I was like, ooh. Honestly, even the things that Leanne said about my mom. Nice. Love to believe. It didn't even particularly resonate with me because I feel like when my mom decides to come through, like, there will be no doubt for me.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So I don't think I've ever communicated with my mother since she's been. But before she died, I did ask her. I said to her, and I have it on a video. I used to set up my camera when we would go to bed at night and I would just record our conversation.

[Sabrina]

Sweet.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I said, are you ever leaving me or we're always going to be together. She said, I'll try. I said, you're going to be with me forever. She said, I'll try. Yeah. And I said, are we going to be together in all. On all our lifetimes after this? And she said, I hope so. And it just like.

[Sabrina]

That's so sweet.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So I know if my mom is going to come through. There's not going to be any doubt. So I'm. I'm still waiting for my moment. But you know my cat, my familiar of 17. See, I am a witch now. I just want to say so y' all 100%. I mean you're like, oh, we're baby witches. Whatever. I was like, you know what? Who's to tell me I'm not a baby witch?

[Sabrina]

Who's going to tell me you're a grown ass witch? Like I feel like you're way witchier than us.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Who's going to tell me I have a grimoire. Okay. I went out, I got all the crystals I need. I got a crystal.

[Sabrina]

You have a penis crystal on your altar.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, I have an altar.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Look, I really. And I consult my rock all the time. I know what candles to burn to do certain spells. I just had a birthday where I did like a birthday ritual in the bath. I've done a ritual with Jessica who you guys met at the Henry Derby house. We did kind of just like a self love ritual during the pink moon. So I. Yeah, and I got a really great book. I was gonna get you guys a copy. I'm sure it's stuff you mostly already know, but I think it is such a good like foundational like baby witch book. Book.

[Sabrina]

What is it?

[Whitney Way Thore]

It's. I can't tell you because I don't know. But it's a nice little pretty green book and it is just like very straight to the point. Tells you. It talks about the different kind of witches. You can be like green witch, an elemental. I'm an elemental witch.

[Sabrina]

We like to say we're like eclectic or chaos witches.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. See I. I feel like I'm either eclectic witch cuz I want to pick from different things, but I feel like I'm really drawn to like all of my rituals so far. And spells have either included water or 5. I even have a cauldron. Like I literally bought a cauldron.

[Sabrina]

I actually bought one too.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, it's for real.

[Corinne]

Oh my God.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And you know what I love about it? This is the thing. And because I'm a skeptic, I feel like. Because I already know when this hits the television right Middle America is going to be like this some satanic. But the thing is I don't know if any of this like I don't know if it works. I don't know what it means, whatever. But what's amazing is that it has helped me me start to live intentionally. Like it's just helped me think about, like, goals and things that I want. And it's helped me feel like it's given me some semblance of intention and control over my life. And I'm like, if that's all it does, then so be it.

[Corinne]

That's really helpful. But also, I want to remind you that you have so many experiences that you can fall back on, where you do have your intuition, you do have premonitions, you do have all of these things. That sounds like it came down from your mom's ancestral line. So, I mean, I do believe in Sabrina, too. Like, we both believe anyone can be a witch. It's all about intention and energy and the things you're hoping to get out of, just, like, the world around you.

[Sabrina]

And it doesn't even have to be the term witch. Like, you could be spiritual. You could, like, manifest, like, even, like, manifestation that people do I think is a form of witchiness.

[Corinne]

But you pointed the other day, I was like, I'm realizing I'm actually way more religious than I thought, because I never thought I was religious. I was always like, oh, I'm spiritual. And then I was realizing how many times I, like, speak to the universe or speak to who is out there like the wind, and I'm like, what difference is that between, like, doing that and, like, a prayer when people speak to Jesus or whatever?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Exactly. Like, my spells and my little rituals. Like, I had somebody look at me askance the other day, and I was like, it's literally like. It's the same thing you're doing when you're just praying.

[Sabrina]

Praying.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, it's the same thing.

[Corinne]

People write, like, have their religious candles and whatever.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Right. And I. We burn a bay leaf. What's it? You know, people have been just talking to the universe much longer than they've been talking to Jesus, but that's just my own personal belief. So, anyway, I do want to say that I really. You know, something I really appreciate about you, too, is not only that you're here in real life and I can touch you. Let me touch.

[Sabrina]

Make everyone jealous. All the people who want to touch.

[Corinne]

My face, we're all socked. We can't do this for free.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, no, we. No, we don't. No, no.

[Corinne]

$5 on Patreon and you can see Whitney's toes. 10.

[Whitney Way Thore]

15. Okay, don't play me. 15.

[Sabrina]

I feel like you got standards.

[Corinne]

500.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I know my worth, but I really just like meeting you guys has been so exciting for me. And I truly have always felt like.

[Corinne]

Oh, my Gosh, like I want to be their friend.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Right. But you manifested it. I know, I really did. And it's really real and I feel like we really like each other.

[Sabrina]

We do.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I got nervous, I was fighting and we. And you really like me. I was like, let me not say that just in case I don't.

[Corinne]

You start manifesting that now too. And it might be true.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Might be true. But it's really wonderful. I feel like you guys have given me like friendship and excitement and I'm definitely just like kind of. I want to say I'm coming out of a midlife crisis, but I don't really know if I'm on the way out. But I'm in the midst of a midlife crisis. Definitely.

[Sabrina]

Well, you did say that this is the happiest you've ever been right now in this moment.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And it is.

[Sabrina]

Sounds like you're on the up and.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Up and it feels like you had.

[Corinne]

A late Saturn return almost.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, well, no, but I had my Saturn return too because 10 years ago is when I started television and when I like self actualized really quickly and kind of found my purpose in life. So I definitely had my return. But meeting you guys has rejuvenated me. It's made me more in touch with myself. It's made me more curious. It's made me more interested and more able to see the magic in the world. It's given me some excitement and some hope and just thinking for the future. Thinking like my future is. Is not written yet and it can be whatever I want.

[Sabrina]

You're literally breastfeeding us right now.

[Corinne]

I know. And I'm horrible at taking compliments when.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Couples comfortably suckling, you know, suckle, suckle, bitch. And it's like, you know what, what does my future hold? Will I move up here? I don't know. You know, I hope you do. Who's gonna tell me I can't. That's my. Who's gonna tell me I can't.

[Sabrina]

Exactly.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Who's gonna tell me I can't.

[Corinne]

You know, I'm gonna say this one thing. You came up already once we called to you and said, do you wanna come up again? You didn't really question it. You just immediately got on a plane.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Here I am.

[Corinne]

I feel like you were really vibing with this area and there's very little getting in the way of you spending time here.

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's true.

[Sabrina]

It doesn't have to be permanent.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, well, I mean my life, honestly, like I'm going through a lot. I'm going through A lot of changes. My body's changing. My body is changing, actually, but I am going through a lot of changes, and I just have really been stuck in this rut that, like, oh, I'm 40, and this is what my life is. And I'm like, you know, I got half my life still to do.

[Sabrina]

You really do.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I mean, what. Why am I feeling so boxed in? Like, I've always. I'm one of the only people, I think, in my. My. My friend group that has ever left Greensboro.

[Corinne]

Like, I left.

[Whitney Way Thore]

He obviously left for college, left to Korea. And, you know, I travel extensively and stuff like that, and I just really feel like I've been missing that a lot, and I want to get back to it.

[Sabrina]

But you always have a place to stay at either of ours.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

If you don't end up getting a condo, but you stop.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Sabrina's already decided I'm getting a condo. I made. I made one comment that I looked at something on the Internet, and now.

[Sabrina]

I'm getting a condo, and we can connect.

[Corinne]

Can I also tell you a historical fact, Please. That can contribute to. I feel like this is maybe where you might be in your own headspace, but back in the 1800s, like, late 1800s, a lot of women would be. This is. This is gonna sound bad in the beginning because it's like, you know, when people would experience these sort of, like, crises or, like, trying to understand, like, their place in the world, and they.

[Sabrina]

Would be sent to, like, a psychiatric.

[Corinne]

Ward to a psychiatric facility. But these women were sent to. To this place in Marblehead, Massachusetts, which is where Sabrina is now, to like.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Themselves and, like, come back to life.

[Corinne]

And they would walk on the beach in the fresh sea air, and they would create pottery, and there's all of this, like, Marblehead pottery that people still find washed to shore.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And that's from the crazy women. Yeah, I'm obsessed.

[Corinne]

But it's, like, the most healing place ever to just be here and just, like, absorb the energy, absorb the sea. And it's something that people have been doing here for hundreds of years.

[Whitney Way Thore]

There's some. There is something about it, because I, you know, actually have never felt super connected to the South. I mean, I. I technically am a Southern woman, I guess, but everything that's, like, very Southern, like, having that kind of, like, part of your identity. I've never identify with that. I mean, I drink sweet tea, and I say, y'. All. You know what I mean? And hate and hate, and hate and hate. But when it really comes to, like, just this Southern Pride thing. And I. I'm just, like. I just have not really Be. Just not really ever connected to that now. I love my Appalachian mountains, and I love, you know, where I was born, and I.

[Sabrina]

My mom, they run up through here and they do.

[Corinne]

I know they're less spooky up here, but.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, they're. They're. I think they're best in North Carolina.

[Corinne]

Yeah, we agree with that.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah, but at least you don't say Appalachia. I know you used to, but. But you've corrected yourself.

[Sabrina]

We've been shamed enough to completely change our lives.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Don't let me talk to Ash and Elena, because I will. Because I will.

[Sabrina]

If I call them up.

[Whitney Way Thore]

It's true. I mean, I know that they would say. Well, people say. Think. People do say things differently. That's true. But some things are just right and wrong, and Appalachia is wrong. And I'll say it. I'll say it to the face. I'll say it to the face.

[Corinne]

I'll say Appalachia now. But just know that internally, I. I am saying, oh, I'm saying it wrong.

[Sabrina]

But for everyone else, yeah, same.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, I. Oh, my God. We didn't even talk about Henchy, my familiar. Oh, that's.

[Corinne]

This is the thing. I feel like we could all just, like, talk in circles constantly for hours and hours.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Let's just. I called Henchy, my familiar, and then I had to talk about how. How I was a witch and 15.

[Sabrina]

And then how much you loved us and.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Sorry, I had to. I had touch the cheats away. Back to Henry. Back to Henry. No, that was the most impactful thing for me. So, like I said, I'm still waiting to hear from my dead mother. But my dead cat definitely came through multiple times. Multiple times.

[Corinne]

The Sands and at the paranormal investigation portion.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So my favorite thing was when he came in on the ghost tube. And what. To me, it's like he only came in and said that when I was asking about, like. I didn't say cat. I never said anything about cat or, like, animal or any and all of a sudden. I love the first time cat. And then the second time, I feel like he kind of interjected, like, cat.

[Sabrina]

Like, hey, pay attention, Kat.

[Corinne]

And it's only in that one room.

[Sabrina]

We have also been to the Henry Derby house. We'd done a paranormal investigation there prior to this trip with you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And there was no cat.

[Sabrina]

No cat. There were, like, none of the things that we experienced with Leigh Ann in our investigation did we experience when we were there with Kalen. Prior.

[Whitney Way Thore]

It's really interesting to make. Hearing from Henchy made me feel so good. And I've got this other cat lined up. I was supposed to have him already. His name's Machete and he's just the sweetest little thing he said.

[Corinne]

Is he one of the orange.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Orange cats? Yeah, he's an orange person. And he's so cute about it, but.

[Sabrina]

So cute about being him.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah. But he has been a little bit late on his vaccine, so I'm not able to get him yet. I already know we're going to be backed up on the schedule, but he, I believe. Didn't we ask if, like, Machete could be Henchy reincarnated? I feel like.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I want to say that the answer was. Well, hold on. Because Leanne said something. Oh, that Henchy was with my mom. Which I can believe.

[Sabrina]

Yes, that I do believe. Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

But then there was something I want to say that either Henchy approved. Maybe it was that I got.

[Sabrina]

I definitely remember the approval.

[Corinne]

I don't think. I think we were told to know that it was a reincarnation, but that it was inapprop.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Like, it was.

[Corinne]

It was him, like, bringing him to you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And I needed that because I have two cats that were mysterious mistakes. And I'll say it right now and I'll say it to their face. They are. I mean, I don't want them to die. Okay. I don't want to.

[Sabrina]

He just didn't have the same connection.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I don't want them to run out into traffic. But they are very insecurely attached. The bond is not secure with them. Okay.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So really, I do nothing but feed them, take care of them, you know, give them medical care, and they really give me absolutely nothing. One of them lives upstairs in the attic with my roommate Todd, and, like, literally doesn't even look at me, so. So I thought to myself, if I get another cat, which I've got this Machete lined up, and if he's not right, like, if he doesn't love, like, what am I gonna do? Because you never know with a cat. You just don't know until you know. And if you knew him, you know, but you don't know until you know.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So I was very nervous. So to get Henchy's approval on Machete made me feel good.

[Sabrina]

I can't wait to meet Machete.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Sabrina]

So cute.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Well, Corinne can't look at Corinne's, like, FaceTime in.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, that's my only.

[Whitney Way Thore]

This really speaks to how much I like you, Corinne.

[Corinne]

It's not like I don't like cats. I'm literally allergic.

[Whitney Way Thore]

But you can't. I know.

[Corinne]

My breathing stops. They kill me.

[Whitney Way Thore]

It's anaphylaxis. I understand that.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Whitney Way Thore]

But I'm just saying the fact that I would even fool with you because why would I have a friend who can't be with me?

[Corinne]

Why would I have a friend who.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Might go into anaphylaxis if she touches my sweater? Why would I? Why would I even put myself through it? Only for Corinne. You're known for your allergies, aren't you?

[Sabrina]

Something's allergic to everything.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Wheat, avocado, wheat, weed, biggest nerd. You're allergic to marijuana.

[Corinne]

School where they come in and they're like, people die when they smoke weed. And you're like, ah, okay, whatever. Trying to scare me. No, I'm literally allergic to the marijuana.

[Sabrina]

One of the scariest encounters I have with crin was when we took edibles. And why did you do that?

[Corinne]

Well, I tried smoking weed like 10 times before realizing I was definitely very allergic. And one of. One of them wasn't smoking, it was taking an edible.

[Sabrina]

And I could not get you off the floor.

[Corinne]

I fainted and I heard people coming for us. It was very scary.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You had a faint night?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, truly a faint night.

[Corinne]

And then like years later, after the shame of not being able to even like smoke weed, I like mentioned it at my parents house and my brother goes, oh yeah, I also can't smoke weed. He's like, if people smoke it around me, my throat starts to close up.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh my gosh.

[Corinne]

So yeah, we're lucky that we live in the time that we do because natural selection was coming for us. It tests us every single day.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Do you know how I think about that? Because I'm legally blind. Right. I had 22, I think, until I was about 10. And then all of a sudden it started going hell. And I think about that all the time because I sleep in my. I wear my contacts for like eight months, nine months at a time without ever taking them out. And I think to myself, if I were born at a different time, I would have died already. I would have walked off a cliff. I would have literally couldn't see. Yeah, like something this simple that is this common in today, you know, today's day and age, it would, I would have been dead immediately.

[Sabrina]

I mean, it's like playing the Oregon Trail. Like you're just dysentery, you know, and you, you're just gone.

[Corinne]

I know.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And you're gone.

[Sabrina]

And Then you become a ghost and you haunt people. And at the Henry, German people have a podcast about you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Exactly.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And. And it's.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Three girls, indeterminate number of ghosts.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And it is indeterminate. You know what I love about our little slogan here? Indeterminate number of ghosts. It's just so open ended.

[Sabrina]

It really is.

[Whitney Way Thore]

You know what I mean? Like, I feel like we're about writing any episode, but it doesn't have to end forever. No know, who knows? It's indeterminate and it could be happening at all times in all different timelines.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So we're talking to everyone. Someone's already listening to this episode.

[Corinne]

It's already in another timeline. You're pregnant. Just like you are going to be pregnant soon.

[Whitney Way Thore]

She came.

[Corinne]

I feel it. Do you feel it happening?

[Sabrina]

Did your uterus just contract?

[Whitney Way Thore]

I felt you. I felt something.

[Sabrina]

Your ovaries?

[Whitney Way Thore]

No, I did.

[Corinne]

I kind of feel something too.

[Sabrina]

I just have to pee. That's all I feel. I'm like, my bladder is full.

[Corinne]

It's funny that you're talking so much about, like, your boobs. I felt electricity from both my poobs. Kind of like down in my uterus, like a.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And you just shot it right over here.

[Corinne]

I did. We'll see what happens.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Wow.

[Corinne]

What if I'm pregnant right now with my child? It comes out and it's like.

[Sabrina]

Side business of selling her semen on ebay.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, my God. So this is crazy. The. So like I told you, I have three vials of sperm, right?

[Corinne]

So you already used.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I artificially inseminated myself. It didn't work. Then I went to the doctor and he artificially, officially inseminated me. And I actually have to take a pregnancy test, like, tomorrow. That's the first day I can test.

[Sabrina]

Can we be there?

[Corinne]

I was gonna say, what about today? But I guess we could. Yeah, wait. I was like, I guess we could be there tomorrow.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Sorry.

[Corinne]

I'm inserting myself into your fertility journey.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay, tomorrow for your fertility.

[Sabrina]

You did insert yourself.

[Corinne]

You can say, no, don't let me be like, inserting.

[Sabrina]

Should we all just pee on a stick and see?

[Corinne]

Should we do pregnancy roulette?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, my God. Can we do pregnancy roulette? I love that.

[Corinne]

Wait, I always see videos of those and I was like, God, I want to do it.

[Sabrina]

That's why I'm so terrified. That's how I'm gonna find out I'm pregnant.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We need three tests. We need three tests. Okay, so tomorrow I have one coffee date with my potential. See this is the thing. If I get offered a job tomorrow, am I moving here? I don't know. My friends are gonna kill me.

[Corinne]

How quickly are you? My friends are comfortable making that decision.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I'm a very. I'll say this. I'm impulsive, but I always say, like, I'm not impulsive in the way, like, I'm not gonna spend money I don't have, and I'm not gonna do something that's gonna hurt someone. Somebody. But I'm the type where if I even think about cutting my hair, it's done. That it is cut that day. Like, I have adhd. Shocker. So I think that part of, like, impulsivity, like, that, like, brings me a lot of dopamine. Right. So I'm like, oh, I'm looking at this. I like that one. I'm just gonna do it. You know, I just. So I always say I'm really decisive, but I think also, I'm just really impulsive.

[Corinne]

I'm done.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Whitney Way Thore]

So I may get offered a job tomorrow. We're gonna see. Fingers crossed. So we'll do pregnancy roulette then.

[Sabrina]

Tomorrow.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, my God.

[Sabrina]

Hell, yeah.

[Corinne]

Fun. Why am I suddenly scared, too?

[Whitney Way Thore]

That's what I'm saying. Someone's gonna be pregnant.

[Corinne]

Someone.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And who's it gonna be?

[Sabrina]

Multiple.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I'm so excited. This was. This was actually the funnest day. I know. We didn't actually really stick to any topic, and I do apologize.

[Corinne]

But you've listened to the podcast. It's not exactly what we do every time.

[Whitney Way Thore]

It was really amazing. Dream come true. Obsessed with it bit. Thanks for being here, you know, I know.

[Corinne]

Thank you for coming up. And actually.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, well, stop.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Don't ask me twice. Well, you want to come film a podcast? I am. I was literally, like, on the airline website as we were on the phone.

[Sabrina]

You asked your dowsing rods, and they.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Said, yes, I consult those rods without consulting those rods. Okay.

[Corinne]

And I'll say, once we go and we potentially look at some places with you, I'm inserting myself into every journey of yours.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Okay. But that place, it is gorgeous, is it not?

[Sabrina]

It is.

[Whitney Way Thore]

I just want to go look at it. I actually just kind of want to see the area. But if we go, we ought to look at, like, two other places.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And probably places that are more in.

[Sabrina]

My price range than that place Marblehead, where I live. And in my house, I have a guest bedroom if you want to come, move in.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Correct.

[Sabrina]

And it's also on the water and.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Do pottery and reinvent myself.

[Corinne]

There is a weird healing energy here. Right? There's something in the air.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Well, now that we did the intro together. Oh, my God.

[Whitney Way Thore]

The ultra.

[Sabrina]

The outro. But thank you so much for being on our show. We love you, Whitney.

[Whitney Way Thore]

We. I love. I said we love you. Me and all my familiars. We love you.

[Sabrina]

We love you. And where can people find you?

[Whitney Way Thore]

Oh, well, my television show is My Big Fat Fabulous Life. So what you're listening to right now will be airing on season 13. So if you've never seen the show. Yeah. If you've never seen the show, you have a little bit of time to catch up. 13 seasons or 12, I guess you can find me on Instagram at Whitney way Thor. And that's pretty much all I do because I'm too old for TikTok.

[Sabrina]

I love it. Well, thank you. We love you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

Thank you.

[Corinne]

We love you.

[Whitney Way Thore]

And we will see you on the other side. Very spooky.