236: In Our Spooky Era..

Summary

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Episode Summary: Two Hot Takes — "In Our Spooky Era.." (Ep. 236)

Date: October 4, 2025
Host: Morgan Absher
Guest: Kaylin Moore (Heart Starts Pounding)

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Overview

Morgan Absher and guest co-host Kaylin Moore ring in “spooky season” with the show’s first October episode devoted to eerie stories drawn from Reddit, listener submissions, and their own lives. The theme: all things supernatural, haunted, and the unexplainable, with a healthy dose of hot takes and laughter amid the goosebumps. From Ouija boards and haunted dolls to ghostly apparitions and chilling photos, the duo investigates what lingers in the shadows—and what happens when you bring something home you maybe shouldn’t have.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

Haunted Objects & Paranormal Careers (00:00–07:00)

• Annabelle and Gordy:

  • Morgan talks about bringing a replica Annabelle doll into the studio, sparking playful fear. Kaylin brings up her own haunted doll, Gordy.
  • The hosts recount their history with haunted props. Kaylin shares that she worked on several films in the Conjuring universe, discussing personal eerie experiences, especially involving Gordy moving inexplicably in her home (“...whatever's inside him is, like, pretty rowdy.” — Kaylin, 04:18).

• Listener Gifts & Community:

  • The joy and warmth of listener gifts and fan-made crafts; swapping stories about the challenges of acquiring popular (spooky-ish) collectibles like Labubu toys.

"Haunted House & Ouija Board Dilemma" (08:28–23:42)

Listener Story Segment 1

• Story Recap:

  • Three friends perform a Ouija board session in the home of Margaret’s late grandfather "John" to contact his spirit.
  • The spirit proves responsive, answering verification questions accurately.
  • An emotional moment as John spells out his granddaughter's childhood nickname, then requests help ("bedroom envelope sorry”).
  • They discover a secret envelope: a lingerie photo of another woman—implying infidelity and a plea for forgiveness from beyond.

• Hot Takes & Ethics:

  • Kaylin and Morgan debate: Should Margaret tell her grandmother about the secret or respect her privacy?
    • Kaylin: “You're putting her in a really tough spot being like, the only way I can move on in the afterlife is if... you have to forgive me for this now... but you’re putting her in a really tough spot.” [16:21]
    • Morgan: “What if you then were the reason your grandmother died... from a broken heart? It happens.” [17:16]
  • The story transitions into whether old family secrets—love letters, diaries—should be unearthed posthumously.

• Notable Quote:

  • “Literally, I have, like, the full-blown goosebump chills.” — Morgan [15:00]

Signs From the Dead & Visitation (24:09–34:59)

• Listener Story Segment 2 (Brandon & the Dolphins):

  • A listener’s brother dies. The night after, their TV mysteriously turns on to a Dolphins football game.
  • Later, a medium’s only message from the deceased: “Dolphins.”
  • Emotional stories from both hosts and listeners about receiving 'signs'—animals, dreams, coincidences—after a loved one's passing.

• Notable Quote (Kaylin):

  • “I'll have some listeners reach out... My mom passed away, I’ve never gotten a sign from her... At some point you will... they have a long list of people they have to get through. I promise you're on the list!” [31:02]

• Guardian Spirits/Third Man Syndrome:

  • Kaylin introduces "Third Man" phenomenon—accounts of supernatural intervention during life-or-death moments.
  • Morgan relates Coast Guard legends: “There’s always like, someone that's like a guide to like, be the bridge or whatever.”

Time Slips & Creepy Mining Town Visit (36:39–56:53)

Listener Story Segment 3 ("The Night I Started Believing in the Paranormal")

• Summary:

  • A group of friends drives through the night and enters a seemingly pristine, 1930s-style mining town, Copperton, Utah.
  • Eerie, empty, perfect, with an uncanny “portal-like” feeling after passing under a bridge.
  • They see a blurry, glowing white hooded figure kneeling (“like it was praying”) in a park before fleeing in terror.
  • After leaving, reality snaps back; they all describe identical details, changing the previously skeptical OP’s worldview.

• Liminal Spaces & ‘Backrooms’ Theory:

  • Kaylin compares the vibe to "backrooms" internet lore—endless, empty-feeling places where reality thins.
  • Morgan: "That would really bother me. I have a really hard time on planes.” [48:37]

• Notable Quote:

  • “When I looked at that figure, a cold fear I'd never experienced before washed over me completely…” — Listener story, read by Morgan

Ghosts in Funeral Homes & Dark History (57:44–71:13)

• Listener Story Segment 4 ("Weird Funeral Home Experience"):

  • Cleaning staff in a funeral home encounters an unfamiliar man, vanishes; others experience coat racks moving and pervasive unease.
  • Discuss why ghost stories in funeral homes are rare—spirits may linger where they died, not where they're memorialized.
  • Kaylin’s story of a woman perhaps cremated alive due to a religiously motivated rush, never claimed by family ("That would haunt me." — Morgan, 63:49).

• Victorian Fears & Premature Burial Terrors:

  • Cautionary tales: requests to be buried with bells in case of mistaken death; infamous La Recoleta Cemetery tragedy (scratches in a coffin).

True Crime Tangents—Murder, Poison, & Autopsy Laws (66:34–71:13)

• Domestic violence, lack of mandated autopsies, and poisonings (Colorado, Australia, Brazil) discussed in relation to suspicious deaths and changing laws.

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Rapid-Fire Paranormal & Unsolved Mysteries (72:46–104:30)

• Reddit Compilation: "What made you a believer?"

  • Doorbells ringing with no source, scratching following you in the walls—Morgan and Kaylin agree: that’s when you start to believe, or at least be freaked out!

• Waverly Hills Sanatorium (Kentucky):

  • Kaylin teases it as the “most guaranteed” place to get a ghostly encounter: "There's apparently on like the third floor, there's a hallway... that's the spot where everyone has experiences." [78:46]

• Haunted Houses... or Stalkers?

  • In-depth about Kentucky's notorious uninvited house guests and “The Mole Man,” exploring the horror of real people living secretly among unwitting residents—sometimes confused for ghosts.
  • Kaylin: "I even had a listener write in that... she was dog sitting for someone... The police come back... find that there was a guy in her attic. [...] He was called the Mole man or something." [95:39]

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Haunting and Unexplainable Photos (97:27–110:12)

• Ghostly Apparitions in Photographs:

  • A listener posts a window reflection containing the unmistakable image of her murdered uncle—confirmed by live photo video to move its head (“He fucking moves his head to look at the camera…”).
  • Kaylin: “You can even see the painting on the wall. You can see the couch... you can see his hand. He has the facial hair and the glasses." [109:46]

• Blood Footprints on Ceilings:

  • A Reddit user documents mysterious, recurring, single-shoe bootprints—blood red, confirmed by hydrogen peroxide test, after learning the property has a history of murder.
  • Morgan: "I'm not going there without someone." [102:26]

• Physical Paranormal Encounters:

  • Photo evidence of unexplained scratches, or handprints after cleaning out the home of a deceased stranger.
  • Morgan: "The pale pattern of a hand stayed blanched on me for days."

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Notable Quotes & Chilling Moments

• On Ouija Boards and Spirits:
  “Please... do not attempt to use a Ouija board without someone experienced in spiritual ways.” — Morgan, quoting a listener [15:09]

• On Death & Family Secrets:
  “If that’s your dying wish, it doesn’t expire." — Kaylin (on whether to open old family letters) [21:20]

• On Signs from the Dead (Animals):
  "No, because I'm gonna see your sister. And then the cat runs in, runs out. They never see the cat ever again. And the grandma died, like, three days later..." — Kaylin [28:40]

• On Photographic Ghosts:
  “He fucking moves his head to look at the camera.” — Listener via Morgan [112:03]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment / Topic | |------|-----------------| | 00:00–07:00 | Haunted dolls (Annabelle, Gordy), horror movies, fan gifts | | 08:28–23:42 | Ouija board, family secrets, ethics of revealing the dead's confessions | | 24:09–34:59 | Signs from dead loved ones, “Dolphins” story, animals as omens | | 36:39–56:53 | Time-slip in mining town, liminal spaces, "Backrooms" lore | | 57:44–71:13 | Funeral home hauntings, true crime and burial fears | | 72:46–104:30 | Rapid-fire Reddit tales: doorbells, Waverly Hills, home intruders, haunted photos, blood footprints | | 104:30–110:12 | Physical encounters—ghost scratches, handprints, haunted estate sales | | 109:23–112:28 | Chilling photo evidence: murdered uncle ghost reflection |

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Atmosphere:
  The episode is a spooky, playful, and sometimes intense romp through the supernatural that mixes chills with the hosts’ warmth, out-loud laughs, and skepticism. Morgan’s frankness and Kaylin’s research-minded curiosity pair well—inviting listeners to respect the unknown while enjoying the thrill of a good ghost story.

• Community:
  Listeners are invited to send stories, interact via Instagram, and be part of the ongoing Two Hot Takes spooky season.

• Final Thought:
  The line between ghosts and reality blurs—and whether it’s blood on the ceiling, a spectral photo, or a doll named Gordy up to no good, the only thing to do is talk about it, share your stories, and maybe sleep with the light on!

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Transcript

[Morgan]

Recording. Yay. Literally everything. Audio is rolling. I'm gonna fucking check it today.

[Kaylin Moore]

You do want me to check mine too?

[Morgan]

You should. Oh, I think I cranked them. Yeah, you're good.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, I can hear you.

[Morgan]

I can hear you. Great. I see the levels moving. Perfect. Gordy is not gonna jinx us today. Annabelle is not gonna jinx us today.

[Kaylin Moore]

No, no one is jinxing us today.

[Morgan]

No one's jinxing us today.

[Kaylin Moore]

They're giving us good calming energy.

[Morgan]

I'm going to be honest. I kept Annabelle in my car last night because I was like, I can't bring her into my house.

[Kaylin Moore]

You can even bring her in the house.

[Morgan]

No. And then I was sitting here at the studio getting ready with her and like, I don't know, dude. It's in my head. I'm like, she's scary.

[Kaylin Moore]

She's scary, but she. You can at least sleep knowing that she is the replica. She's a replica of a replica. Right. Cuz the original Annabelle is a raggedy Ann doll.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Which is so crazy because she's so sweet.

[Kaylin Moore]

Cuz she's so sweet. But like, this Annabelle is based on the movie version which is completely invented for the film. So she's not even really in the same. She just had her face looks really upsetting. But like, I don't think there's anything.

[Morgan]

She'S gonna bad about her. Yeah, no, she's a good girl and she's gonna help us get some good energy on set today.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yes.

[Morgan]

For all these spooky stories.

[Kaylin Moore]

Our favorite.

[Morgan]

Our favorite.

[Kaylin Moore]

Happy spooky season.

[Morgan]

Oh, I'm in my spooky era. A listener gave this to me at a live show.

[Kaylin Moore]

Really? What does it say?

[Morgan]

It says, in my spooky era.

[Kaylin Moore]

Well, that's great.

[Morgan]

As a swifty and spooky. Spooky girl.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh my gosh. That's so kind of a listener to give that to you.

[Morgan]

I get the best.

[Kaylin Moore]

Really thoughtful. Yeah.

[Morgan]

The blanket. Someone like crocheted me. Oh, yeah. Someone jumbled in Denver, which I saw you messaged me, but I can't find it. I need you to message me again so I can message you about the blanket. Because you have people out there asking where the blanket is from and they want to buy your pattern.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, that's great.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Kaylin Moore]

So I'm like, girl, we got to.

[Morgan]

Get your Etsy going.

[Kaylin Moore]

I had a listener, Sandra, send me a labo boo.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Kaylin Moore]

I'm like, which was way too kind.

[Morgan]

Which too hot. Taking has the labubu connects.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know.

[Morgan]

Mine, my foot Fell off mine, so I had to, like, sew his pants shut.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, really?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh. Oh, yeah. I've seen the sewn pants.

[Morgan]

He's on my tote over somewhere.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, I was ready to do the whole, like, getting on the lives on Tick Tock, trying to figure out which one.

[Morgan]

Like, is that how you get them?

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, because you can't just buy them on the website. It's a whole thing because they sell out so fast. They're.

[Morgan]

Oh, no, I know that. I went to popmart naively thinking I was going to get one, and she laughed at me.

[Kaylin Moore]

Right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like one labu ma'. Am. And they're like, that's not how it works around here.

[Morgan]

No. They're like, good luck.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

But. Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Two Hot Takes. I'm your host, Morgan, and today I'm joined by Kaylin Moore of Heart Starts Pounding.

[Kaylin Moore]

Hello. Very excited to be here. And you're also joined by. By my son, Gordy.

[Morgan]

Gordy. And Annabelle.

[Kaylin Moore]

And Annabelle.

[Morgan]

I love. I actually love that we have Annabelle here today, despite me being scared of her. Because we really bonded over the fact that you worked on the nun.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, because. Yeah, well, that was. That's kind of our invisible string.

[Morgan]

That's our invisible string theory.

[Kaylin Moore]

I worked on the. The first nun and then you. That was, like, your first date with Justin.

[Morgan]

It was like, the first real date. Like, Justin, when he first met me on Hinge, had kind of, like, played the friend card. And so our first date, I thought we were just, like, meeting at a bar in Minneapolis. The second one, I went over to watch a Vikings football game. And the third one, we went to the nun and he put his hand on my leg, and I was like, he does not want to be friends.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh. Did you get vibes right away from him that you were like, this is my husband?

[Morgan]

No, honestly, he knew from the first date. He saw me walk in, and after the date, he got in the car with his friend and was like, get the wedding invites ready.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

It took me a little longer. Yeah, a little longer.

[Kaylin Moore]

But that's so sweet. A horror movie is a good. Not. Maybe not first date, but, like, in the first batch of dates, I feel like a horror movie is good because you have to, like, hold each other's hands and you get scared.

[Morgan]

I know. Especially that first date sets the tone to, like, get, like, cuddly.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

You worked on a few of the movies, though.

[Kaylin Moore]

You worked on the conjuring on conjuring. 3. Briefly, I worked on Annabelle 2 and 3. None 1. A little bit of none 2. I worked on La Llorona, which is technically in the Conjuring world. I just worked for the company that made all of those movies insane. So I just. So I got to go see. I don't work there anymore, but I got to go see Conjuring 4 with them. And I brought Gordie because I was. I was, like, making the joke. Like, if you guys are looking for another doll to make another movie about, like, I have one, you're going to.

[Morgan]

Manifest this for him.

[Kaylin Moore]

I think there. I think he could be a movie star. Absolutely.

[Morgan]

Look at him.

[Kaylin Moore]

He's just spooky. Well, I was telling you when I. So I got him at this place in Austin called Uncommon Objects. It's an oddity store. It's great if anyone's been. And I have a set that I film on. So I put him in the back of the set. I was like, this is perfect. And at night, it would sound like my dog had gotten upstairs and was running around on the second floor of the house. And we would run up to get the dog out and realize, like, oh, dog is asleep. Like, Fitz is asleep in our bedroom, but Gordy's up there. So whatever is inside of him is, like, pretty rowdy.

[Morgan]

Did you start putting him in a box, like, just to be sure? Were you still, like, I don't want to mess with Gordie that much. Like, he'll be okay?

[Kaylin Moore]

No, I just kind of close him in the set. Like. Yeah, I would just leave him in the room and he'd be fine. But I would hear those noises upstairs.

[Morgan]

That's so crazy.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. Gordy, he'll behave today, though.

[Morgan]

Okay?

[Kaylin Moore]

He'll be fine.

[Morgan]

Okay. We're gonna have to get some holy water, otherwise. But did he get blessed at the Conjuring premiere?

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, yeah. So they were giving out holy water at the. The premiere, which was what? Really? Yeah, people. Yeah, it was fun that they did that, but he did not actually get blessed, so.

[Morgan]

So we'll see how you almost don't want to mess with his juju, though.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know. I don't want to tip the scale too much and then have something get really mad at me.

[Morgan]

Especially if he's going to get his own movie. I know the little demon inside is probably hearing this, being like, give me my movie.

[Kaylin Moore]

Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly it.

[Morgan]

Everyone at home is, like, probably terrified. Don't watch this episode if it's late at night and you're alone.

[Kaylin Moore]

Watch it alone. Watch it late at night.

[Morgan]

Nope. I will tell you this right now. I was looking for these stories until 4am and I scared myself so much. I literally slept with a light on.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

I literally slept with a nightlight on. I was like, I can't. And you'll see some pictures. I've got photographic evidence today. I'm just like, well, we talked about.

[Kaylin Moore]

I mean, you. You are living in a haunted house, so it makes sense that you're also just kind of freaking yourself out too.

[Morgan]

I know. And she's supposed to be nice. Like, this is a famous Hollywood actress. She passed in my home. But, like, I don't know what's going on. Like, our cameras keep finding someone, and, like, it'll say, someone spotted, and it'll track an invisible figure down the hall and then stop.

[Kaylin Moore]

That's like, literally. That's paranormal activity. Just like the movies. Very scary.

[Morgan]

I know. I'm gonna be sleeping with the light on again tonight.

[Kaylin Moore]

I'll freak out with that.

[Morgan]

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[Kaylin Moore]

Ooh.

[Morgan]

Which, if you guys are hearing this, this is our first spooky episode of the month. There will be a Google form in the description. Go and tell me your stories. Okay. Especially if there's pictures. Let me know. But this first one, when I heard that you were looking for spooky stories to read on the podcast, I had to become a patron so you would see my story. It's a bit of a doozy. And in my opinion, what you might find in the movies, minus the dramatic ending. I have to preface this as it's not my story that has much of a conflict. And unfortunately, I can't do anything about what happened or what we found. But I would love to know your thoughts onto the story. This all happened when I was 22, and my two best friends Ann, 22, and Margaret, 21, were all staying at Margaret's grandmother's house to watch her dog and house sitting while she was out. This was all around the beginning of fall. As typical young adults, we love to have a good time with alcoholic drinks, some good snacks, a few of our favorite movies, and of course witchcraft. We were all itching to stay overnight here alone. Since Margaret's grandfather John died in the exact chair that resided in the living room a few years back, Margaret has had a hunch that her grandfather had hasn't passed on since. She felt his presence frequently there, especially when you sit in that chair. A little backstory Back in those days, the three of us would participate in practicing Wicca, having several Ouija sessions and collecting crystals for their various properties. We even went as far as recording our Ouija sessions and evaluating them afterwards. We always made all the spiritual precautions to protect us from from the negative spirits and burned our boards after every session. Yes, we made our own boards out of pen and paper. Don't ever get the fancy store bought ones since they are hard to dispose of if you plan to use it to communicate with spirits. Disclaimer I would never recommend practicing in any Ouija sessions if you don't know the basics in protective spells and precautionary actions before and after asking them questions, they are no joke and you could potentially cause yourself or possibly close by harm. Morgan, you are right to not fuck with them. I literally got the chills. I tell everyone, I'm like don't, don't do it. Don't do it. Okay, back to the story. Once the witching hour struck and the night was quiet, we started our Ouija session, albeit a bit tipsy but still with our wits about us. Sitting by the very chair where Margaret's grandfather had passed, we asked to speak with him. At first nothing really happened and we encouraged John to use the energy sources we put out around us, mostly water and crystals. Eventually, the planchette moved to the yes position. After about the fourth or fifth time we asked are you with us? Exhilarated, we asked the following questions. What is your name? How old were you when you died? What is your birthday? Where did you graduate college? Who was your wife and more. It's important to ask number based questions and ask specifics that yield short but accurate answers. There are common red flags if you're dealing with a negative spirit or demon, where the answers would be scattered and nonsensical, where the vibe would be off and they say zero for their age. These are all Signs to terminate immediately. We did not get this feeling as the spirit we were speaking to answered with intelligence and poise. And Margaret stated it was the same feeling she got when she sensed him before. Prior to starting our session, we had gone around the house to do some research on her grandfather, John. We knew the answers to our questions exactly, and when asked, the spirit spelled them out nearly verbatim. We asked John spirit more about his life, and as he answered, it was as though he was sitting beside us having a normal conversation through a series of letters and numbers. And as I recorded them in our Book of Shadows, I no longer have possession of this. Otherwise I would provide pictures. Margaret had needed to tell her grandfather something very personal, and once she did, it brought us all to tears as John's spirit spelled out her nickname that only he called her when she was a child, followed by I love you, VM Once we got to the point where we had to say goodbye, we asked one final question. Is there anything you need to help you pass on? He answered with bedroom envelope and sorry. We promised we would look into it and do what we could as we slid the planchette over to goodbye, releasing our link to John's spirit immediately, we went into the grandmother's bedroom and tried to find something that John would feel the need to apologize for, trying not to invade her privacy too much while putting everything back in its place. We mostly found typical things that would be in an old woman's bedroom drawers, except one thing found in the side where John used to sleep. At the very bottom of the lowermost drawer was an old unsealed envelope with John's name on the back. As we opened it, we found a printed photo of a woman in lingerie smirking at the camera with Miss you, heart written in pen on the back of it with nothing else.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh my God.

[Morgan]

Margaret, looking at the photo, said, quote, that's not my grandmother putting two and two together. John must have cheated on the grandmother, and now John's spirit cannot pass on without her forgiveness. Allegedly, Margaret was torn on this news and pleaded that she cannot tell her grandmother of this, that it's too personal, and she feared she would be meddling into a relationship that she had no place in, not to mention rummaging through her private possessions. But Ann and I didn't feel that it was right to break the promise to John's spirit and potentially never allow him to pass on. Unfortunately, this is where my story ends.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

Margaret never told her grandmother about the session at all. And several years later, the grandmother passed away peacefully in her sleep at a retirement home at the age of 88. So, fam, what would you have done in this situation? Was Margaret right?

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my God. This is also kind of like a. Am I the asshole?

[Morgan]

Like, literally, I have, like, the full blown goosebump chills.

[Kaylin Moore]

Whoa. I was not expecting that at all.

[Morgan]

To get that. And like, our writer does provide, like, additional info. I just want to say that this occurrence is a rarity. The spirit has to have strong ties to the people. Location item. And have the ability and strength to use the energy around itself to physically move the planchet to the degree that John's spirit did. In most cases, you would get one or two letters or numbers per questions. Then eventually the spirit would deplete itself over time. If it were a true human spirit. In my experience, most sessions last about 15 to 30 minutes. And then they say John's answers and participation was detailed, intelligent. And our conversation went on for about an hour and a half. I cannot stress enough how uncommon this is. And please, those at home do not attempt to use a Ouija board without someone experienced in spiritual ways.

[Kaylin Moore]

So are they suggesting that because it went on for so long, it was maybe not John. It was maybe not human?

[Morgan]

You know, they don't say that like, it almost implies it with that to be like, it went on for an hour and a half.

[Kaylin Moore]

But I think there was so much energy from him.

[Morgan]

Yeah. And I think, like, they're in the house. They're right next to his chair where he passed.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And clearly, like, Margaret has, like, felt this spirit from him before.

[Kaylin Moore]

Whoa. There's part of me that's, like, there. Right. Because he cheated on his wife. That's horrible. Who knows how long it went on for? Like, I could see someone arguing. I don't want to hurt my grandma. While with the time she has left by burdening her with this when this was his mistake. I'm sorry. You can't move on without getting her forgiveness. But you're putting her in a really tough spot being like, the only way I can move on in the afterlife is if you. You have to forgive me for this now. Like, I couldn't tell you when I was alive because you wouldn't have forgiven me.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Kaylin Moore]

But now you have to forgive me. And so I don't know.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

What do you think? Would you want to know after.

[Morgan]

No.

[Kaylin Moore]

In just, like, the few years you have left and he's passed away, you know.

[Morgan]

Oh, gosh, no. I mean, she died at 88 a couple years Later. So she was like, what, probably like 80 through 84.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

86. I mean, no. Like, what if you then were the reason your grandmother died? Like, from a broken heart. It happened.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know.

[Morgan]

So I don't know. It is, like, interesting because, you know, you had this connection with the spear, but, like, you also don't necessarily know if it was him.

[Kaylin Moore]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I was gonna say that it could be. I was gonna say that I heard.

[Morgan]

A story more dark once, that this.

[Kaylin Moore]

Girl who would play with this Ouija board in her house, and her mom didn't know she was playing with this Ouija board, but she always felt like she was talking to her grandma. And so it was like this really special way. And then one day, the Ouija board was acting really bizarre, but it was like, kind of like, I think I'm with talking to my grandma, but maybe she's not coming through today. So she asked the board again, like, who am I talk. Talking to? And it spells out zozo.

[Morgan]

Oh.

[Kaylin Moore]

Which if you're playing with a Ouija board, zozo is not something you want to hear.

[Morgan]

What is zozo?

[Kaylin Moore]

Zozo's a demon. Zozo is not here to help you. And so after that, it's like, well, the Ouija board. Like, I thought I was talking to grandma. I was actually probably talking to this demon the entire time. And now I've let all of that energy in and.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin Moore]

And it's like a trickster spirit. It's telling you things. So who knows if that even was John or if it was someone else being like, I'm gonna just ruin your family members lives for the rest of the time that they're alive.

[Morgan]

I know. Well, and it's like that picture was in there, but like, we don't really know how it got in there. You know, who knows? Maybe John had a bit of a stalker in younger years. But why would he keep the picture? I don't know.

[Kaylin Moore]

I'm. I think I know why he had the photo.

[Morgan]

Sexy gal lingerie.

[Kaylin Moore]

And lingerie. It says miss you on the end. On the other side. That is a wild one. I. It kind of reminds me of the last episode we did, which is all deathbed confessions.

[Morgan]

It is like an odd deathbed confession.

[Kaylin Moore]

But from the grave confession.

[Morgan]

Oof.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. I wonder if that was his unfinished business. And that's. That's the only thing keeping him. And now she's passed away, so he's stuck forever.

[Morgan]

I know. I wonder if now that she's Passed. If he would be free because they're both maybe on that plane.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Unless she went up and he's stuck in the middle.

[Kaylin Moore]

If they ever try to contact him after that, and if they can still get him to come through on the board, I would personally stop messing with it after that moment. I don't know. But maybe if they've tried to contact him again and he's still coming through.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Kaylin Moore]

Well, he's stuck.

[Morgan]

You know, I get a little nervous because I'm like, oh my God, the session was so long. But hey, you're the expert. But he also did know the granddaughter's like, name that only he called her. So I'm gonna be hopeful that it. It was actually John. Then again, it's sad that he's stuck.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. What would you have done?

[Morgan]

I would have left the pictures out.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

It didn't have to come for me. Don't kill the messenger. But I think, you know, she probably also, like, maybe she did know and she just never confronted him.

[Kaylin Moore]

That's kind of what I'm thinking. If the. If that photo is still in the bedside table, it's. It's opened. He passed away a long time ago. Maybe she's already kind of been through that. I could see it and has seen the photo and is like, whatever, what.

[Morgan]

Am I going to do now?

[Kaylin Moore]

What am I going to do now?

[Morgan]

Can't kill him twice.

[Kaylin Moore]

Maybe she knew when he was alive. I feel like a lot of people, like, the. The partner's like, this is the best kept secret. They'll. They never knew I did this. And the wife is like, I knew the entire time. I just like, it wasn't worth it because of the time period to like bring something up. But yeah, so maybe she did know. That's kind of. I guess my hope is that she had made peace with it a long time before I could see that.

[Morgan]

I know like my grandma, like, I feel like that's kind of the same generation. She put up with a lot of stuff that she knew about.

[Kaylin Moore]

But just like my grandma too, didn't.

[Morgan]

Wanna confront or like, it's not worth it and this and that and I don't know.

[Kaylin Moore]

So my Grandma has probably 200 letters that she kept that she and my grandfather sent to each other during World War II. And at. When she came to the end of her life, she was like, don't ever read those. And then she died. And so we have 200 letters. And my family.

[Morgan]

Have you read them?

[Kaylin Moore]

Toil over them? We haven't read them yet. And everyone has a different opinion on, like, she's been dead for 15 years. We could read the letters now and then. Other people that are like, it doesn't expire. If that's your dying wish, it doesn't expire.

[Morgan]

Wait, why do you guys keep them then instead of disposing?

[Kaylin Moore]

Because it feels weird to throw away letters from World War II of this, like, young married couple. There's something to preserving them. Also, it's our handwriting. And just knowing that the letters were between my grandparents, I think that's really sentimental.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

I'm a little bit. I'm curious what people in the comments are going to say about this. Or, like, anyone watching. I'm a little bit team read them.

[Morgan]

I think you should read.

[Kaylin Moore]

That's history. I love my grandparents so much, and I know that they were very flawed people. So I'm okay with, like, learning things.

[Morgan]

About whatever you learn wouldn't totally ruin your image of them.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yes. If it were my parents, I would probably leave it because I'm too close to them. But if grandparents, you have a little bit of distance. You can kind of look at them as, like, historical artifact a little bit more.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

Hopefully they keep them long enough that my kids can read them and then tell me what was in them. I think at that point, there's enough distance.

[Morgan]

You're the type of person, though. You're a responsible historian type. So I feel like you should be the one that safe. Keeps the letters.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know, because I also want to make sure that they're not deteriorating. If there's ones that we want to frame and save, like, you know, they're still in good enough shape that we can do that.

[Morgan]

I'm sure there's a love letter or two.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yes. I think they're all love letters.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

For the most part. I don't think it would be any bad news.

[Morgan]

But honestly, this. This could be a movie, too. Grandma would just be like, no, but yeah, no, I think you need to read them.

[Kaylin Moore]

My.

[Morgan]

My great grandma passed, and she had a bunch of diaries, and my whole family has passed them around like a. A monthly book club. Wow. Really? Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

Did you learn anything crazy?

[Morgan]

I think they learned a lot about her psyche and just, like, how strong of a woman she was. Like, her husband was a philandering alcoholic, and she really kept the family and the farm together. I mean, she had six kids and, like, just, like, was the glue and was a nurse and just like a saint of a woman. Like, oh, my gosh, like, the pastor at her funeral was like, if anyone's going to heaven, it's gonna be this lady.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Morgan]

So she was really, really strong and so they just got to see more of like what she actually put up with that. No one.

[Kaylin Moore]

I love that.

[Morgan]

So they learned a lot. So I'm team. I'm Team Freedom.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, same.

[Morgan]

But let us know guys. I think you could. I'm curious, you could have some hot takes on that one. If you liked this listener write in. Though I will say I did steal this from our Father Knows Something vault because we do spooky episodes over there. So there's going to be a Father Knows episode this year that's spooky too, but there's a couple from the previous years and they're insane. Which maybe I'll stick on the listener write in trend while I'm on it.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Morgan]

This next one. In 2021, after a two and a half year battle with a rare and extremely fatal brain tumor, one of my younger Brothers, Brandon, male 15, passed away the day after Christmas. At the time, I, female 23, was a first year veterinary student at the University of Minnesota Co Gophers. So while I normally would not have been home as I am an out of state student, I was back for the holidays. Brandon suffered a brain herniation and was suspected to be brain dead due to the massive amounts of damage that it caused. However, he could not be declared passed until certain tests were done. As a result, he had to remain on life support for three days while the doctors conducted these tests. My parents did not leave Brandon's side for one second during this time because my house had essentially become a hospital due to the around the clock care Brandon required, me and my remaining brothers, male 24 and male 12, had to help load trucks and trucks just full of medical equipment to either toss, donate or return to the insurance provider. One of these nights, I went into Brandon's room to look for any machines we might have missed. Before I even touched the machine or anything for that matter, the TV turned on. I froze. Blaring from the TV was a Dolphins game and surprisingly, they were winning. To give some context, the Dolphins are my eldest brother's favorite team with Brandon being a fan of the Cowboys. With every hair standing up on my body, I immediately look at the nearest outlet and hastily unplug every cord I see, convincing myself I must have turned something on by mistake. Somehow, despite desperately trying to rationalize myself through it, I knew what was happening. It was a sign from him. I ran to my eldest brother sobbing and told him, quote, I think that was meant for you. Months later, still learning how to grapple with my grief, I made an appointment with a medium. Ever the skeptic, I made a fake email address, gave a fake name, a fake birth date, and a fake place of residency. As this was over zoom, I made sure I was in a room where he could not possibly pick up on anything. While we were talking, he immediately asked if I had two siblings. I tentatively answered yes. He then asked why he saw another younger, specifically male energy around me, and then followed that up with, quote, did you have another brother that passed away? I couldn't believe it. I immediately broke down and told him yes. He told me things about Brandon and my life during that session that he could have never known. However, probably the craziest one of all is when he told me he would try to allow Brandon to speak through him. He warned me that it might be only one or two words if that, and there would be no promises. Immediately, the medium told me, quote, I'm only getting one word. Dolphins. Does that mean anything to you? P.S. the day that Brandon passed away, his favorite player of all time, Dak Prescott, had the absolute game of his life. He followed Brandon on Instagram through the Make a Wish foundation, and they would talk here and there. When my eldest brother messaged him to tell him that Brandon had passed away, he immediately said that it was no coincidence how he played that night. I couldn't care less about American football, but I root for Dak Prescott every single time I'm in my field this week.

[Kaylin Moore]

Holy smokes. Yeah, I believe that. So wholeheartedly. Sending signs. Yeah. Especially from siblings. I had a story. We do listener tales pretty frequently. Like, once a quarter, probably on pounding, Same thing. All stories from listeners, and I am shocked at how emotional some of them can be. But this one girl reached out to me, and she goes, so something crazy happened. My sister and I were always really close, but she passed away when I was, like, 15 years old. And before she had passed away, she. She made a joke that, like, if I ever die, I'm gonna come back as a black cat. And so, of course, like, the. The listener just always remembered that. And, like, Fast forward maybe 10 years, her grandma is dying, and her grandma, similar situation, like, not responsive, but is just laying in a bed in the family home, and they're just kind of waiting for her life to end. And so she, like, the listener goes out to get some air, opens the door, and all of a sudden, this black cat runs in to the house.

[Morgan]

Oh, my.

[Kaylin Moore]

Gosh jumps on the bed and sits there, and no one had ever seen this cat before. It was, like, not a cat from the neighborhood. It was not their cat. And it just sits on the bed. And she was like, what's crazy is I. One of the last things I ever said to my grandmother was, are you afraid to die? And she goes, no, because I'm gonna see your sister. And then the cat runs in, runs out. They never see the cat ever again. And the grandma died, like, three days later. What? And it was just. I still get, like, in my feels when I talk about that one because.

[Morgan]

Like, coming to guide her and just make sure she was okay. Oh, my gosh.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I saw the craziest tick tock. And I honestly haven't cried so hard watching a tick tock in quite some time. And this girl was doing a gender reveal for her baby, and she said, like, something on, like, the video where she was like, my sister passed a couple of years ago, and she keeps visiting us in the form of an eagle. And in the video, you see, like, the little, like, smoke cannon thing go off, and it hits blue. And then you look to, like, the right in the video, and there's a woman, like, standing on the top of the hill, like, overlooking a lake. And all of a sudden, you see this eagle just swoop down near this woman. And it was her mom. And they just keep thinking, like, this is their sister coming back as an eagle. And then what really set me off, the comments. It's always the comments on videos like that. And someone comments, and it was because in the video, she goes, denali, Denali. And was, like, screaming, Denali. At the eagle, being like, denali, is that you talking to the eagle? And in the top, like, comments, someone was like, wait, your sister's name was Denali? The brother bear movie, the brother comes back as an eagle, and his name was Denali. I'm like, what the.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

Why are you doing this to me? Tick tock. I don't need this today.

[Kaylin Moore]

Whoa. I mean, I'm sure you're gonna get comments of people getting signs from people, because it's just so common.

[Morgan]

I'm. I just. I'm so glad, like, that people can get these signs and just, like, feel that, like, sense of peace and closure. Like, I know visitation dreams are huge.

[Kaylin Moore]

Dreams are huge. And I also. I'm a firm believer that the signs don't have to happen immediately. I'll have some listeners reach out and be like, hey, I heard your episode where you were talking about signs people sent from beyond the grave. Like, my mom passed away. I've never gotten a sign from her. Do you think that means anything? And I. I'm of the belief that at some point you will. When people die, they have a long list of people they have to get through, of signs they have to go send. Like, I promise you're on the list like that. It just might take some time to get to you. But I feel like more times than not, even if it's years and years later, people get something or they're just.

[Morgan]

There, but they haven't needed to break through to give you a sign yet.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Like, you haven't had a day.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

That's been so dark. Or you haven't been in a situation where you've needed that guardian angel yet.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Which, like, that's kind of another thing. Like, it. It could be coming, but also, like, you don't want to need a guardian angel sign. Like, I remember a story we've done on a previous THD episode where someone was like, a guardian angel, saved my life, and they fell asleep in their home and they were having issues. I don't remember why. They, like, were sleeping so soundly, but all of a sudden they heard a get up in their ear, like, clear as day, and like their house was on fire.

[Kaylin Moore]

You know what that's called? The Third Man. Have you heard of this?

[Morgan]

No.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, it's like a. It's a very well documented phenomenon. It is one of the most common. We have a whole episode that's just called Third man or like Third man stories. It's called Supernatural Survival. It's one of the most common stories I get from people where life or death situations, it's all. It's usually a life or death situation. A lot of car crashes, someone will visit the person in that moment where it's. Sometimes it's someone who says they're an EMT that no one else can see. But a lot of times it's someone they know who's already passed away. Like their grandfather. They even talk about it in the. I don't know if you watched the Biggest Loser documentary that just came out. No. One of the. In, like, the second episode, one of the women in the first episode, she runs too far and has some sort of heart condition and, like, passes out and dies for a moment. And she even says, I was on the helicopter and I know I died because I saw my grandfather and woke up in a hospital. But even she had someone come to her. And it's just really Common.

[Morgan]

Wow.

[Kaylin Moore]

We've gotten some crazy stories from listeners about, like, I was in a car crash and my grandpa was in the passenger seat after I got hit, and he told me exactly what to do to stop the bleeding, and then what? I survived. And, yeah, they'll tell the EMTs, too. Like, oh, there was, like, some. Someone showed up and told me what to do to stop the bleeding. And the EMTs were like, oh, that person was probably a ghost. Like, that happens at a lot of these scenes, like, when someone's been hurt as badly as you have.

[Morgan]

My God.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I remember seeing something along these lines of, like, did you ever watch the movie with Ashton Kutcher and Kevin Costner, the Guardian?

[Kaylin Moore]

No.

[Morgan]

It's a movie about, like, the Coast Guard.

[Kaylin Moore]

No. Oh, I know which one you're talking about, but I haven't seen it. Oh.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God. It's so good.

[Kaylin Moore]

Okay, I'll add it to my list.

[Morgan]

It's really good. I mean, the two of them, their chemistry, they're just. They're good. But at the end, they, like. Because it's loosely based on a true story, I think. But at the end, they just talk about, like, the Coast Guard and, like, how there's, like, stories about these people getting, like, capsized or whatever. They need to be rescued in the water, and they say that someone, like, sits with them for hours, and then they're always like, what about the other guy? They were with me. They were with me. And it's like, no one else was there with you.

[Kaylin Moore]

I fully believe that. I hear so many stories like that.

[Morgan]

Especially stuff from the ocean. The ocean is, like, one of those places that, like, maybe we need to do an ocean episode someday, because the ocean is insane.

[Kaylin Moore]

There's so many lakes.

[Morgan]

The Great Lakes Water.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, yeah. Just in general. There's so much, like, there's a lot of spooky stuff going on in. In bodies of water. But I totally believe that about the Coast Guard, that there's, like, another guy there.

[Morgan]

I think that's why it's literally called the Guardian. It's all making sense now.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

[Morgan]

My gosh. Okay, moving along to this next one, we're getting into a phenomenon I'm really excited to talk with you about, and I have a story for your episode we're doing for your show.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Morgan]

That kind of has this similar thing, like, time slip, alternate reality. So I'm really curious. You guys might remember the story I'm hinting at. It's in, I think, the very first spooky episode we ever did. It came from a listener who's a paranormal investigator, and I actually just had him email me a couple more stories.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh my gosh. I'm sure this year he's seen so much.

[Morgan]

I just got one back and it was actually like, I'll tell you about it. I'll spoil it for you, but no spoilers for you guys. And it's. It's one of the best stories I think I've ever gotten.

[Kaylin Moore]

Wow.

[Morgan]

It's really good. This one is up there too. Okay, this episode is brought to you by State Farm. Life is all about choices, like deciding what color you might change your hair, where you might want to take a vacation, saying yes to a new job offer. And it can be stressful making choices on your own. Stay Farm is here to help you make decisions that you feel good about that you don't question or second guess. Talk to a State Farm agent to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer, availability, amount of discounts, and savings and eligibility vary by state. Okay, so this one is coming from our very own Tuha Takes subreddit. It's a year old. I actually read it on a Patreon spooky episode a year ago now. Okay, so I'm pulling it from my vault because it is that good.

[Kaylin Moore]

Because it's so good.

[Morgan]

It is titled the Night I Started Believing in the Paranormal. Hi y'.

[Kaylin Moore]

All.

[Morgan]

I'm watching the most recent podcast and heard y' all were looking for some spooky ghost stories. And I've got one that still creeps me out to this day. Sorry in advance for the long post, but I want to get all the details in. Lol. Now, just to preface, this story happened a few years ago when I was still in high school. I grew up in a small town, so it was often hard for us young, angsty teens to find things to do. Me now 21 female, and my best friend, also 21 female. Our usual Friday night consisted of driving around aimlessly trying to find something to do. This night, it was me, my best friend, who I'll call Cindy, Cindy's boyfriend, Aaron, and Aaron's best friend, Zach. Now onto the story. We were doing our usual routine of driving around the nearby big city when Aaron decided to call up his other friend who lived nearby. Now, this friend I had never met before, but Aaron said he lived in this small mountain Town close to where we were driving. I'd never heard of this town, but it is known for its history and being an old copper mining town. The friend didn't answer, but we decided to drive up that way anyways. As the friend had a cool car. Aaron and Zach wanted to look at big car guys. We start driving up there and mind you, it's close to 2am at this point. We had driven on dark roads throughout this entire night and the vibes were all good. We're driving on this dark, barren road when we pass under a bridge. Immediately I become overwhelmed by this eerie feeling. Something just felt off. I thought it was just me experiencing this as everyone else was talking and joking about. So I brushed it off. By the time we get up to the town, Cindy was passed out in the passenger seat. I was sat behind Cindy and Zach was sat behind Aaron who was driving. The second we start to see houses, we all collectively agree that something about this town was just off. The streets looked impeccably clean and polished and the sidewalks all completely smooth as if the concrete had just been laid. I had made an offhand comment about how it felt like we were transported to another time. The boys in the car collectively agreed with me. All of us acknowledging how it felt like we had passed through a portal straight to the 1930s. We continued on the drive making jokes in an attempt to lighten the strange atmosphere we had stumbled upon. At this point, I chalked it up to the dark night and the fact that the whole town was likely asleep. Then we see the park. Now here's the thing about this park. It wasn't a full on park. Literally just a plot of grass with huge. I mean huge ass trees. The road allowed you to loop completely around the park and it was absolutely empty when we first arrived. Aaron makes a comment about the park saying he had taken pictures of his car in it before. Then he decides to drive around the park and show us where the photos were taken. As we begin the loop around this park, I feel this creepy feeling begin to intensify. The best way to describe it is it was like a heavy weight pushing down on the air in the car. At this point, it's close to summer, so all the windows are down as we're cruising along. Once we get close to the end of the loop, I spot a couple of deer outside my window. This was the first and only sign of life we saw the entire time we were there. No people, no other animals, no cars, Just three deer. Aaron pulls over so we can get a better look at them, and then decides to call his friend again to see if he would answer. At this point, I'm watching these deer and trying to distract myself from this seemingly unwarranted anxiety I was feeling. While Erin was on the phone, Cindy was still passed out and Zach is staring out his open window, which faced the park. Not long into us being parked here, does Zach start to yell and frantically try to roll up his window? Both Aaron and I were shocked by Zach's sudden screaming and both go look at whatever had freaked Zach out so much. When I look out Zach's window, I saw something that I still cannot explain to this day. There, sitting beside one of the large trees, was a pure white figure. So white it looked like it was glowing. I got a pretty good glimpse at this figure and it almost seemed blurry, but you could clearly make out the shape of a hooded person. It appeared to be kneeling with its head bowed, almost like it was praying. At this point, Zach is screaming for Aaron to get us the fuck out of there. All I could do was freeze in fear and stare at this figure sat alone in the park. Aaron, after getting a good look at the figure himself, proceeds to kick the car in a drive and hightail it out of there. This all happened in probably a matter of seconds, but everything seemed to move so slow. I remember so vividly how my heart was pounding and how paralyzing the atmosphere felt. I almost remember telling myself to not look back at whatever the hell the thing was and to just focus at the headrest in front of me. The car ride out of town was completely silent and we only began to discuss what we had seen as we descended down the mountain. Just as we passed under the aforementioned bridge, it felt like reality snapped back into place, the atmosphere lightened and the world looked back to normal. At this point, we were all freaking out about what happened, and I was surprised to find that the boys also felt this snap. The best way we could summarize it, it was like waking up from a dream. At this point, Cindy finally wakes up after sleeping through the whole ordeal and we begin to tell her the story. I normally would have summed this up to us being tired and it being dark. But what really cemented what I saw was the fact that both of the boys saw the exact same thing. We all described. The exact same hooded figure kneeling with its head bowed. I was the type of person who, if asked, I would have said I didn't particularly believe in ghosts. I liked the idea of ghosts and the spooky ambiance the subject brings, but I didn't believe in the slightest. I'm a pretty rational person with very science based beliefs. After this experience, I would say I do believe that the supernatural is possible. I'm still unaware of what I saw that day and I don't think I'll ever truly know. What I can say is that since that day I feel almost a heightened sense when it comes to anything paranormal. Especially considering I 100% believe that the house I currently live in is haunted. But that's a story for another time. Lol. However, one thing I truly will never forget about this experience is how when I looked at that figure, a cold fear I'd never experienced before washed over me completely. I often think about how peaceful the figure seemed and despite that fact, something in my gut told me to get the fuck away from it. That fact alone creeps me out. Still, as I'm writing this, it almost felt like it was trying to put up this facade of innocence to lure us in. I have a good intuition and know when to trust my gut. And I'm glad I did that day. Because who knows what that thing was capable of. Once I was home, I began doing some research on the town in some attempt to decipher what I had seen. While looking back at old black and white photos of the town, I realized how on that night it looked exactly like those photos. I was pretty creeped out and haven't done more research into it until making this post. For anyone curious as to what town I'm talking about and wanting to do some research yourself, it's Copperton, Utah. I'll link the website with the photos I saw at the top of this post. If anyone finds anything of interest, please do share.

[Kaylin Moore]

Whoa.

[Morgan]

I know. Here's the picture of the town that they share.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, I want to see what it looks like because already old mining towns are so spooky.

[Morgan]

Oh, it's very like. Granted this is an old picture right when the town was made. It's pretty cute.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's cute. It looks very liminal. It looks like a liminal space a little bit.

[Morgan]

That's a big word for me.

[Kaylin Moore]

You've definitely seen pictures of like liminal suburbia.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

Where all the houses look the same. It almost looks like a fake town. Like did you ever see. Don't worry darling.

[Morgan]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

That is kind of like liminal suburbia.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

Where you can see the mountains in the back, but it looks like the town is fake. Like almost like all the houses would be empty.

[Morgan]

It's so crazy. I When I first saw this post on our subreddit, I actually commented, and I was like, did you see any cars in the driveway? Like, yeah, if you went back in time, like, my first thought was like, would you see any old cars in the driveway?

[Kaylin Moore]

Right. Yeah.

[Morgan]

And OP said that they didn't notice any cars.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Morgan]

Damn.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know. Because I would be curious if this was some sort of time slip. My first instinct was the back rooms. I know that that's.

[Morgan]

Yeah. What is that?

[Kaylin Moore]

So the backrooms is a creepypasta about liminal spaces.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

Everyone has probably seen the office space. It's very severance, the first level of the backrooms. But the idea of the backroom is like, you could, at any point during your day, accidentally slip into this liminal space that kind of feels like an alternate dimension. It feels like you're the only person there, and the lights are just wrong enough and the walls look weird enough that it just doesn't feel like you're in our reality.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin Moore]

So the idea that they drove under this bridge and that was some sort of portal or something into this neighborhood, that just didn't feel right. And it felt abandoned. It felt like they were the only ones there. And also, in backrooms lore, there's always an entity. There's always some sort of entity on each floor. And so it's almost like this white glowing figure was the entity in this level of the backrooms.

[Morgan]

I have never heard about this backrooms before.

[Kaylin Moore]

I love the backroom so much. I did a whole episode on. I did an episode of times that people have accidentally wound up in liminal spaces and gotten trapped. And it was really spooky. Like, there was this one woman who. She remembers being on a flight in Canada. This happened up in Canada. She's on a flight, and she. Drink service starts. She puts her head on the window, falls asleep. She wakes up, plane is pitch black. There's no other people on the plane. The pilot is gone.

[Morgan]

What?

[Kaylin Moore]

She looks out of the window. She realizes that the plane had landed and moved into the. Like, everyone left and moved into the storage unit that holds the plane at night. And she had been sleeping, and no one thought to wake her up and get her off the plane. So she was trapped on this plane.

[Morgan]

I'm. No, no, no. Like, she actually. This.

[Kaylin Moore]

This is real. This. Yeah, it was.

[Morgan]

I forgot to get her.

[Kaylin Moore]

I forget the airline that it happened on. But she sued the airline. No one woke her up, and they forgot to get her. She's stuck on this plane, and A plane. You can't just open the door and get off. You're high up.

[Morgan]

Uh huh.

[Kaylin Moore]

So she had to figure out.

[Morgan]

And if you've never opened one of those doors, it's actually really hard to open one of the doors.

[Kaylin Moore]

And it was pitch black at night too. And it's not like you just. Yeah, you don't just open the door. You have to crank the whole thing open. And even then you can't just really jump down.

[Morgan]

So no, it's big.

[Kaylin Moore]

She was able to get rescued, but the whole episode is about times that that has happened to people where people wake up after surgery and are the only person because they're on the abandoned floor of the hospital and they don't know how they got there.

[Morgan]

This is my nightmare.

[Kaylin Moore]

People walk into the stairwell of a mall and can't get out because they get lost. Like, it's just, there's so many spaces like that in our world.

[Morgan]

It's reminding me of Denver Airport and I don't remember. I saw a video on TikTok of like a guy who was like, I'm in Denver Airport and I'm trying to get to my next gate and I've been walking for miles and I'm not, I'm not going anywhere. I'm like, literally I'm trapped in this airport. I, I don't even know how to get back.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's like the woods in the Blair Witch Project. You're like, I keep walking past the same gate and I not getting anywhere. Yes, it is very much that.

[Morgan]

That would really bother me. I have a really hard time on planes. Like, really, really hard time. I'm, I'm scared of flying. I'm actually, I'm going to test out beta blockers, but I have to test it out before my wedding because I want to take a beta blocker on my wedding day. So I don't cry as much.

[Kaylin Moore]

For the photos.

[Morgan]

I just like don't want to be up there trying to give vows and I'm just like, like I've literally, like, I have a hard time with some of these Reddit stories but like that I can edit out and like me and Lauren will literally be crying like for a minute straight. But we can edit it out. Of course you can't do that when you're up there.

[Kaylin Moore]

No.

[Morgan]

And it's mostly just because like you feel that, like that craziness in your heart.

[Kaylin Moore]

So yeah, definitely.

[Morgan]

I got some beta blockers but I'm like, I need to test it out before the wedding, but now that I'm saying this out loud.

[Kaylin Moore]

Beta blocker. Are they the ones that you take like in the emergency, or do you have to take them every day for them to work?

[Morgan]

No, you usually just take them before big things. Like, I know a lot of like stand up comedians will take them before live shows. Yeah. Keep their heart rate down.

[Kaylin Moore]

I think that's what I take on planes then.

[Morgan]

Okay, so maybe a plane is a good place to try it.

[Kaylin Moore]

So what I did, because I was also kind of scared to take them first because I have anxiety. I have anxiety that's really bad. And then I also have anxiety about taking things. So I like, get the medicine and then I'm like, what if it doesn't literally mean. What if it makes me panic more?

[Morgan]

We are the same with our fear of planes. And I know hypo truly. Chondriacism.

[Kaylin Moore]

Hypochondria.

[Morgan]

Hypochondriism.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, hypochondria. I think it's hypochondria.

[Morgan]

But how do you say that as an ism? I don't think you have to.

[Kaylin Moore]

I don't. Do you have to add ism?

[Morgan]

No, probably not.

[Kaylin Moore]

Are both of our hypochondriac ism?

[Morgan]

We're both hypochondriacs.

[Kaylin Moore]

What I did was I took one the night before the flight while I was just packing, just to be like, test it out. Do it. Does my airway close up? Like, do I. Do I panic? Do I see the hat man? Like, does anything bad happen? And the answer was no. And so I took one on my flight the next day.

[Morgan]

Was it good?

[Kaylin Moore]

Is it? It's really good. I. I understand now why they only give you eight pills.

[Morgan]

I feel better.

[Kaylin Moore]

One serving or like one prescription? Because, like, it's really good.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

But it's ready make a huge difference. Like, normally during takeoff, I am one white knuckling my seat.

[Morgan]

Oh, yeah. Takeoff and landing.

[Kaylin Moore]

And it was like, I didn't even remember takeoff not. And like, I was so messed up I didn't remember. I just like, was not focused on the fact that the plane was leaving the ground at all. I was like on my phone or listening to something and it was, it was great. I think it'll help you a lot.

[Morgan]

I think I need to try it because. And this is kind of like a paranormal weird thing. Like when I'm flying, I have final destination type dreams. So in my dreams, I will be sitting on the plane, I'm the window seat, and I'll fall asleep and I'll put my head up against the window. And then all of a sudden, in my dream, like, the bells start chiming on the plane. And all of a sudden I look out the window and the wing snaps off and the plane is spiraling down.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

Sometimes I wake up as we crash. But then there was one time I survived through the crash. And I remember I was like, towards the back of the plane and, like, I was like, crawling out through the window. But, like, I could feel my skin charred and I felt like the smoke in my lungs in my dream. And then I snapped back. I'm awake, alive on a plane.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my God.

[Morgan]

So I'm like, really scary. Let's go.

[Kaylin Moore]

That is pure anxiety. I know that's really bad.

[Morgan]

But that, like, to me, that feels like a weird alternate universe time slip thing on a plane, like, because it feels so.

[Kaylin Moore]

It feels so real. And you're like, okay, so either I am a prophet chosen by God to see the future, or I just have really bad anxiety and that's what's making me dream this. And every single time I'm like, no, I am seeing the future. This is going to happen. But that's the anxiety speaking. And so, like, the meds help with that at least.

[Morgan]

It's so. I'm like, genuinely, I don't know what it is about a plane. And then the other day, we don't.

[Kaylin Moore]

Understand how they work. And it's like, it is a very unnatural thing for humans to do.

[Morgan]

And I have to do it so much, unfortunately. Like, I just. I wish I could take a wagon.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know. And it's like, I thought with how much that I fly. It's like exposure therapy. And I would one day and it's. No, not at all. It does not help the more I fly. It does not make me feel less anxious. It's just the weirdest thing.

[Morgan]

It's so bad. What do you think? The figure. Back to this?

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, back to the story.

[Morgan]

What do you think the figure was?

[Kaylin Moore]

I don't know. I was trying to figure that out because it sounds like it. What did they say? It was so white, it almost looked like it was glowing. But it wasn't necessarily glowing and it was kind of blurry. I don't know. It felt like kind of ghosty, kind of like an omen. The fact that it kneeled down and started praying was also very strange. It reminds me a little bit of like, almost the movie the Ritual, where there's like, maybe some. Something in.

[Morgan]

Oh, like you said, that thing.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, it's. It's horrible. Like in the best way. It's one of my favorite horror movies, but it is very, very scary. But the idea that that thing came out and it bowed down, it's actually worshiping the scarier thing that's in the woods that you just haven't seen yet. Like, this is just a foot soldier for the really horrifying thing that lives there. So I don't know.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I. At first I was like, maybe. I think I said, like, when I first read it, it was giving me like, grim reaper, like a different version of the Grim reaper.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, because you were saying, you were telling me before too. Sometimes people see the Grim reaper as a white figure, not a hooded black figure.

[Morgan]

Yeah, there's actually a couple Reddit posts I've seen on it, and I. I probably looked this up on the original time I read it.

[Kaylin Moore]

That's really scary. See, that to me is final destination stuff. If you saw the Grim reaper and you escaped alive, is death just coming for you in other ways now?

[Morgan]

Yeah, like there's this one from R. Ghost. Saw a grim reaper, white cloaked man at bedside. Several weeks ago, I was awoken to a man in a Grim reaper cloak, face covered, standing at my husband's side of the bed, sort of looking at his nightstand and at him. In no way was I dreaming. I was terrified, paralyzed with fear. Pretended to be asleep. As I did, I cracked my eyes to see again and he was gone.

[Kaylin Moore]

Someone goes, did they write any follow up? Like, did their husband die? Ugh, that's so scary.

[Morgan]

I would be so freaked out. Grim Reaper in a white robe is another post on Paranormal Encounters.

[Kaylin Moore]

Wow.

[Morgan]

Saw the Grim Reaper as a kid. It was a white hooded figure in a doorway. So I feel like a lot of people actually see the Grim Reaper white, which is interesting.

[Kaylin Moore]

I guess. There's a lot of white light associated with death.

[Morgan]

Go into the light.

[Kaylin Moore]

Going white. Yeah, yeah.

[Morgan]

Do you see the light?

[Kaylin Moore]

Heaven is a lot of like, angels in white. So it wouldn't surprise me that like, other beings that they're seeing from beyond the veil are also cloaked in white. Maybe.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Well, and like the Grim reaper, I'm so curious where the origin stories of the Grim Reaper came from, because you see it in like, all of these movies. There's always like, someone that's like a guide to like, be the bridge or whatever. And so I'm like, was the Grim Reaper, why did he get such, like, a negative, like, association with like, dark and the. The sickle and like a hooded figure and scary grim Reaper. Yeah, because, yeah, okay, death is scary. But, like, who's to say the Grim reaper isn't like, a happy little glowing white man who is like your little bridge, your buddy, as he drives you up. Yeah. I mean, sends you down?

[Kaylin Moore]

I guess it would depend on the time period that the origin comes from. Right. Because the idea of, like, dying peacefully as an old person is such a luxury that we have today in our society.

[Morgan]

Back in the day, okay, that's true.

[Kaylin Moore]

You were dying of horrible illnesses and infections and your village being pillaged in the middle of the night and other war things. Like, it was a lot more grisly and they were just, like, throwing the bodies in these masquerades and stuff. So, yeah, this, like, peaceful death thing that we get to experience now is.

[Morgan]

It really is.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. Death wasn't always looked at as, like, oh, he's taking you over the rainbow bridge.

[Morgan]

It's like, okay, you weren't. See, this is why you have smart people on your show.

[Kaylin Moore]

I mean, that's just my guess. I actually, I should have, like, looked into the origin of that at some point, but that would be my guess.

[Morgan]

This is a new heart Starts pounding episode sometime soon. Grim reaper originated in 14th century Europe as a personification of death during the Black Death pandemic.

[Kaylin Moore]

That makes sense to me.

[Morgan]

6. I said it right the first time, didn't I? The sickle. Sick.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, sickle.

[Morgan]

What's the scythe? Scythe. Yep. The scythe symbolizes reaping souls like wheat.

[Kaylin Moore]

There you go.

[Morgan]

Like, so many of them.

[Kaylin Moore]

There's so many of them at the time. God, that was a really grisly way to die too.

[Morgan]

So Black Death. Death Panda. Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

People just in the streets screaming the whole way. Yeah, it was not a fun time. I would know. I was there. No.

[Morgan]

Reincarnated. Woo. Okay, well, on that note, let's move.

[Kaylin Moore]

Along to the next one really beautiful, happy note.

[Morgan]

So, yeah, death, we all do it eventually. So let's talk about a funeral home experience. Ooh. This is coming from R. Paranormal. 21 hours old, titled Weird Funeral Home Experience. I work for a cleaning company and we do mostly residential homes, but we have a few buildings we take care of as well. We clean for this local family chain of funeral homes weekly. And one of the buildings is a lot stranger than the other. I get the weirdest feeling whenever I enter this building, and I constantly feel like I have to look behind me because it feels like I'm being watched. The workers here are super friendly and they are always just in their office They've never once hovered in the nearly four years I've worked here. One day I cleaned all the areas that are for the grieving bathrooms, kitchen, casket display room. And I had moved to the back where the staff bathroom, flower delivery room and kitchen area were back. In this area there is also the entrance to their mortuary. It is not uncommon for them to have caskets out ready to be wheeled into a display room. If there is a funeral starting shortly after I'm supposed to leave. When I was cleaning the bathroom, I had my back to the door while cleaning the front outside of the toilet. And I get a weird sense I'm being watched. So I turn around and I see a man looking at me. After a few seconds he walks away. So I jump up and look out the door down the long hallway. He wasn't there. The weird part about this is that he wasn't a worker as I have seen and met all of their staff. And he wasn't in uniform. He also wasn't a flower delivery man because there were no flowers in the delivery room. He couldn't have been a funeral guest because they had no funerals or appointments that day. He made me so scared. I haven't been alone in there since. There are other instances where workers have been freaked out there too. One co worker said she was vacuuming the lawn hallway in the back where they have the rack for jackets and they just started swaying at random and not gently swaying. The other weird thing about this is that the other building doesn't have this feeling or any weird stories like this. And we've had a contract with this company for a long time. The other building is almost light feeling like I haven't looked over my shoulder once while there. Anyways, this happened to me a while ago, but I still think about it. It was so strange. And after going through this subreddit I felt like I needed to share.

[Kaylin Moore]

Whoa. I've always wanted to do an episode on scary funeral home stories.

[Morgan]

Oh my gosh.

[Kaylin Moore]

But it's hard to get stories specifically from funeral homes. Ghost stories.

[Morgan]

Do we have any out there that listen that are directors or work at a funeral home?

[Kaylin Moore]

I would be so curious because I.

[Morgan]

Feel like we gotta have one.

[Kaylin Moore]

There's definitely there has to be. We've gotta have one works at a funeral home or a funeral director.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

Where the explanation I've got gotten sometimes is that a funeral home is where the vessel of the body sits in kind of this intermediary intermediary period. Like the person has already died. The spirit has already left, the body's in the funeral home, and then it gets buried. So the idea that ghosts hang out in funeral homes is not really as much of a thing versus, like, hospitals, where the person died or at the person's home or, like, the places that the person had ties to. It's like your. Your body's at the funeral home for like, three days. Yeah. And then it's gone. So I would be so curious, like, who the man was, Was his body downstairs? Was it someone who worked there? Or, like, had some sort of tie to this funeral home. But yeah, most funeral directors are like, no, we haven't had any, like, scary experiences here, which is fascinating to me because you.

[Morgan]

Surprising. Yeah, for me, that's surprising because I'm like, if I was stuck in this liminal space, I'm walking around, I can see everyone, but I'm out of my body. I'd be trying to go put myself back in my body. Like, I'd be trying to, like, where's my body? So, like, I feel like if you are stuck, maybe you have to be stuck in the place you died. But I feel like for me, I'd want to go, like, make sure my shell gets put in the ground the way I want.

[Kaylin Moore]

Go try to find it.

[Morgan]

Yeah, yeah. Like, some people wake up in there. Like, I don't know, like, something about funeral homes. Like, really, like, like, in the fridge.

[Kaylin Moore]

They wake up, they. Yeah.

[Morgan]

So I'm like, I don't know.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I told you this story about the scary story I ever got from someone who works inside of a funeral home. This actually, I think, was on an episode of Radio Rental. But this woman, I don't think she was a funeral director. She worked at a funeral home or some sort of. It was a funeral home that also had a crematorium. They also disposed of bodies that way. There. This woman comes and she has her husband's body, and she's like, he died. We have to do a really rush cremation job. Because, like, in my religion, he, like, people have to be cremated really fast within 24 hours. And the person's like, who works at the funeral home is like, okay, like, totally want to respect your wishes. Let's figure it out. Whatever they figured out, Wife leaves, and she's prepping the body, and she's like, this person's, like, really warm for being recently deceased.

[Morgan]

What?

[Kaylin Moore]

And just have this feeling of like, it wasn't as warm as a normal body, but it wasn't as cold as a dead Body. So she kind of like starts freaking out about it. Eventually. They do cremate. No, this man.

[Morgan]

No, Morgan.

[Kaylin Moore]

No one ever came to pick up the ashes.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Because she killed him.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. They could not get a hold of the wife after that.

[Morgan]

How did she get him there? Did she just like drive this body in her own personal car?

[Kaylin Moore]

I. Yeah, I wonder. Or I. I guess I don't know if.

[Morgan]

Right.

[Kaylin Moore]

Because hospitals don't have to arrange the stuff with funeral homes because people die at home and they. Then they just go to the funeral home, you know.

[Morgan]

So you can self arrange.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, you can just self arrange. So she must have just self arranged was like, yeah, someone died, I guess was able to get a death certificate or something. I. I don't know. But this, the person that worked at the funeral home was like, I still think about this all the time. This case, this will haunt me forever.

[Morgan]

That would haunt me.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I'm telling you. All right, now I want Jewish style, three days. Okay? Wood box, no metal. I want to go back to the earth. But just give me a bell, okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

Just in case. Yeah, like old days.

[Morgan]

Yeah, like give me a bell because I swear to God, if I get put in a box and then I have to like suffocate down there or just, just give me a bell. Just give me a little bell. It's fine.

[Kaylin Moore]

Those are the scariest stories to me. There's this La Recoleta cemetery in Argentina where there's a tomb of this 15 year old girl. She died in like 1904, sometime around then. And she gets buried in her tomb. And that night the guy who works at the cemetery, the funeral, the groundskeeper of the cemetery also. They're all above ground tombs. Kind of like how you see in New Orleans.

[Morgan]

Like crips or whatever.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, crips. So he mausoleums. He starts hearing banging coming from her tomb and he's like, that's weird. Sometimes I hear ghosty things, so I'm not going to think too much of it. But her aunt comes and he's like, hey, I just thought you should know. Like the other night I did hear some banging coming from her tomb. I don't know what that was. I don't know if someone was trying to rob the tomb. You might just want to check because she was from a wealthy family. And so the aunt pays to have her tomb opened. And inside of her coffin are just scratch marks everywhere. And she was, she was like face down. So she had flipped herself over. Scratch marks everywhere. She had definitely tried to get out.

[Morgan]

She didn't make it out.

[Kaylin Moore]

She didn't make it out.

[Morgan]

What the fuck?

[Kaylin Moore]

But it was a thing. It came out afterwards that her mom had been pursuing because she was. She was 15 years old, but she was set to be married to this, like, older politician in town, and the mom was maybe pursuing him. She also had this condition where she would faint. So they think that the mom kind of took advantage of the fact that she fainted one night and was able to kind of very quickly have this funeral and get her buried.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin Moore]

She's definitely not dead.

[Morgan]

That guy could have saved her.

[Kaylin Moore]

He could have saved her. I know. The groundskeeper. If he just, like, ran in there, but so scary. So scary.

[Morgan]

Yeah, maybe we start. We need to start bringing bells back. Yeah, we should start bringing bells back. Or, like, bury him with an iPhone that's got a charge for at least a week. Like, like, emergency button.

[Kaylin Moore]

You get an iPhone. Yeah. With just some sort of emergency button. Yes.

[Morgan]

Send me down with something, guys. I'm telling you right now. Like, send me down with something. What?

[Kaylin Moore]

I know.

[Morgan]

How long ago was this?

[Kaylin Moore]

I mean, it was early 1900s, so it was 120 years ago. But it doesn't really happen as much these days because we have ways to. Yeah, exactly. Hospitals that check your blood pressure and make sure you're actually dead. But I guess if you just die at home and your family just arranges really quickly for you to be buried, it can still happen.

[Morgan]

I know. Because, like, how does that work? I really hope we have some funeral directors that can chime in on this. Because if you just die at home, like, if I died in my sleep, like, would they have to do an autopsy? They don't have to.

[Kaylin Moore]

No, you have to have one ordered. You don't have to do an autopsy.

[Morgan]

Even if I'm just healthy, 31 year old, and I died.

[Kaylin Moore]

No, my uncle just died. He wasn't that old. And they had to order. Specifically order an autopsy. Cause you could just be like, yeah, don't worry about it. Like, we'll just.

[Morgan]

That seems really fishy. Yeah, I know. Actually, this is a really interesting thing here in the state of California. So there was a cast member on this season of Survivor named Joe. And so Joe really talks about on the season, like, losing his sister and how he's, like, made a big push for domestic violence laws in the state of California. And so, like, I looked more into it, and his sister was in a really, really bad relationship. According to, like, one article I saw was, like, attempting to leave. But Then died. And Joe thinks it's, like, very mysterious circumstances surrounding her death.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And because she was still married to the partner who was not great at the time, he had control over everything that happened afterwards. So he did not order an autopsy.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And so Joe has been really pushing where in cases where domestic abuse and violence has been documented, if that person dies, an autopsy is mandatory. Like, he's. I don't know if it's gone through yet, but he was really pushing for that.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, that's so great that he's doing that.

[Morgan]

I know. Because he's like, my sister. My sister wouldn't do that. Like, what happened? Like, so he's really trying to get justice for her. And I think even afterwards, like, the guy moved on quick and was seeing someone else or just some. There's a bunch of weird stuff with it.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's so weird.

[Morgan]

Yeah. There's just.

[Kaylin Moore]

There was that case of the dentist in Colorado who poisoned his wife in the smoothies.

[Morgan]

Right, Smoothies.

[Kaylin Moore]

And she died. They couldn't figure out why. And he was like, no autopsy. What? Just demanded that they didn't do an autopsy. And luckily for the whole situation, he was dumb enough to have the cyanide sent to his office. So the office manager got the package and was like, this is kind of weird. Googled cyanide because she didn't know what it was. And the first things that pop up were all the symptoms that his wife was having. So she's like, I feel like I should call someone about this. Called the hospital. That's how they figured it out, but just crazy.

[Morgan]

There's been a lot of poisoning cases like that recently.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

There was another one that someone commented to us and told us to look into. And it was another guy who had, like, poisoned his wife with something used for hunting.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, really?

[Morgan]

Oh, I forget what it was like. Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

What would. What would that even be?

[Morgan]

I don't know. We're gonna have to find out. But, like, there's been a lot of poisoning cases recently.

[Kaylin Moore]

There was a. The big, high profile one in Australia. The mushroom poisoning case. Yeah. Mom has her husband's whole family over, invited the husband, but he didn't show up. Serves them death cat mushrooms in a beef Wellington. They all. Two of them died. Two of them survive. There was four people there, I believe. And the police ask her, like, hey, so those mushrooms you served were death caps. They weren't like, food safe mushrooms. Where did you get them? And she goes, oh, the Asian store, mind you.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

She, like, there was no. She just Thought if she said that, no one would question it. Like, oh, yeah, the Asian store is always selling death cat mushrooms. First of all, there was no Asian store that she bought them from. She just like totally made that up. I can't remember exactly where she sourced them from. Like, all the stuff is coming out on the case now because she was just sentenced.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin Moore]

But then there was another one in Brazil where this woman put arsenic in a cake and fed it to her husband's entire extended family.

[Morgan]

Wait, you have an episode on that one, don't you?

[Kaylin Moore]

I talk about it. So I have. I have a whole episode from. It was our. We did it in February of this year.

[Morgan]

I feel like I listened to one. Maybe it was like a mailbag. Mailbag episode you did or something.

[Kaylin Moore]

I gave an update on it because I covered the Colorado dentist poisoning case. And then at the end I talk about this Brazil poisoning case. And then in a mailbag episode, the day I put that episode out, the woman who did it took her own life in prison. So I gave. And then a lot more information came out. So I gave a little update about the case and like the mailbag episode. But that one was crazy because, like, the family will never see justice because the mom who did it just like took her own life.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's just horrible.

[Morgan]

Poisoning is insane.

[Kaylin Moore]

She poisoned her own 10 year old son. She just didn't care. She just wanted to get back at her husband.

[Morgan]

Horrible. And this is why we have a true crime podcast.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know, I know.

[Morgan]

One note for you about the funeral home experience. The top comment on this one. Former office administrator of a funeral home here. I heard a watery hello. Hello. Once when I was there, sitting at my desk all by myself one dead Sunday afternoon. I canvassed the area. No one was there.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh. Hearthizepounding.com if you work in a funeral home, I have a form. Send me your stories. I'll compile them all for an episode.

[Morgan]

That's spooky. This is someone else. You should message them on Reddit. Their username is Blazing Entrails.

[Kaylin Moore]

Okay, I'll find Blazing Entrails I don't love. Sounds like slang for some really horrible illness.

[Morgan]

Yep. Yeah. Nope. Not loving it.

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N rakuten.com but okay, moving on to this next one. Okay, so this is coming from R Paranormal 5 days old titled what was your paranormal experience that turned you into a hard crash core believer? I'm an unbeliever and have yet to experience anything paranormal. No matter what people say, I still have a hard time in believing in the paranormal yet I'm curious about people's stories. I think a part of me wants to believe and wants to have an experience, but sadly I don't think there's a way or place to have a guaranteed encounter. And then this is the top comment so far. This is a long read, so bear with me. I used to work nights at a group home for people with mental impairments and illnesses. We had a guy, let's call him Ray. Ray stopped participating in reality after his parents were murdered in front of him. The dude was legitimately bonkers. He exclusively drank toilet water because he thought the tap water and bottled water was poisoned. I tried to explain toilet water was tap water, but no dice. I also tried to at least get him to drink the tank water. No luck there either. Occasionally Ray would start screaming in his room like stop and shut up or leave me alone. Which was accompanied by loud banging on the walls. This mainly occurred at night. We assumed he was throwing stuff at the voices in his head since his belongings were often scattered. This isn't very uncommon with people suffering from severe schizophrenia. The only evidence of the contrary was we almost always found him in bed and his belongings were were on his dresser on the other side of the room. And one time he had a black eye. We assumed he got caught with a ricochet from throwing a baseball he had. He always denied he threw anything and seemed legitimately scared every time we came in and checked on him. This wasn't what convinced me though. What convinced me of spirits or energy that could manipulate physical reality was I was lying on the couch watching TV and at like 2:30am when all of A sudden the doorbell starts ringing like crazy. Think a stranger is getting chased down by Jason holding a knife and they are trying to get help type of doorbell ringing. It felt frantic almost. I get up and walk over. Mind you, the door is like 15ft away and the door has a huge window built into it. The top half of the door is basically entirely window. As I'm walking over, I don't see anyone. I assumed it was another staff, so I open the door to see if they left a note or something. Nothing. I go check out the front. No cars. I thought it was weird, but whatever. I go inside and check if it was a resident. They were all asleep. I kind of brushed it off at this point, but as soon as I walk back over to the couch and right as I'm about to sit down, it starts up again. I'm fairly freaked out. I walk back over to the door and nothing again. I double check that the door is locked and go back. As soon as my butt hits the couch, it starts again. I sprinted to the door and swung it open halfway, expecting another staff to be crouched and laughing. No one was there. I started freaking out at this point because it would not have been possible to get away without seeing. Since the walkway to the door was enclosed between two walls of the house for about 20ft. I only had to sprint 10ft to the door and could see out the window within one foot. At this point I'm genuinely terrified. I closed the door. The second the door closed, the bell starts going off again, almost taunting me. I locked the deadbolt and ran from the door. This time the bell kept going for a long time. This further drove home the feeling of of it taunting me. I turned the living room lights and TV off, kept the walkway light on so I could clearly see out the window. At around 3, the doorbell stopped and scratching in the walls and attic started. I spent all night huddled on that couch. I even took a write up for not getting any nightly chores done. I wrote up a work order for maintenance to check for squirrels and check the electrical. They didn't find any evidence of squirrels and the doorbell circuit looked okay. That was the only time the doorbell ever acted up, they said. I did occasionally hear more scratching in the walls on my shift. I doubt it was squirrels though, since I don't think squirrels follow you around to scratch the walls near you. After that I was a lot less skeptical of Ray.

[Kaylin Moore]

Wow, that is so spooky. Hearing things in the walls.

[Morgan]

I if I had stuff in the walls like, you know, you can hear, I Can just hear the scratching on, like, sheetrock or plaster in my head. And as you're walking, the scratching just follows you.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, I'd.

[Morgan]

I'd lose it. I'd crash out.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, I'd crash out big time. It's when they said so. The first poster was like, I don't know where to go to have, like, a guaranteed experience. It made me think of one place that I've researched. Waverly Hill Sanitarium. Have you heard of sanatorium? Sanitary sanatorium.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's in Kentucky and it is this old tuberculosis hospital.

[Morgan]

It's always the TB hospital.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's always the TB hospitals. But it. Of all the places I've looked into, it seems to be the most guaranteed to see something. Just everyone I know that's gone there. All of my listeners that have gone there, all the reviews. It seems like everyone sees something whenever.

[Morgan]

They go, wow, you can buy tickets to go through their haunted house.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, they have a tour. You can go tour it. They have. I think it's. You could go for like an hour tour or you can pay to spend the entire night there and do like a real ghost tour.

[Morgan]

No.

[Kaylin Moore]

Which sounds very spooky, but there's apparently on like the third floor, there's a hallway and the tour guide just sends you down by yourself. And that's the spot where everyone has experiences.

[Morgan]

Jesus.

[Kaylin Moore]

I do want to go. I'm going to go at some point, but I'm a little spooked to go.

[Morgan]

I see. I want Justin to go because he really does want to have, like, an official experience. He's had some weird stuff at our house. And this is where I get a little conflicted on the ghost being good or there being something a little darker there. He, like, woke up one night and, like, at the bottom of the bed saw like, a really dark, scary. Like, he describes it like, really well, but, like, dark figure. And then he said he felt all of a sudden, like both legs got yanked down of his legs got yanked.

[Kaylin Moore]

Out and grabbed his legs.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Whoa. And he looked over at me and I'm still sleeping peacefully. So, like, I didn't feel it, but like, he felt. He's like, no, like it was physical. I was awake and something yanked me down.

[Kaylin Moore]

And even then, he doesn't feel like he's had a paranormal experience.

[Morgan]

No. Which is what.

[Kaylin Moore]

What does he think that was?

[Morgan]

I don't know. I think he, like, in his head, he's like, well, like, maybe it was like a sleep paralysis thing, but I was like, one you've never had sleep paralysis ever in your life before, and you moved. You got yanked down.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And you saw something, but I know people can see, so I'm like, I don't know. I think he's trying to rationalize it.

[Kaylin Moore]

Looked at you.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

He was moving. When I have sleep paralysis, I'm fully. And everyone I know that has sleep paralysis. All my listeners with sleep paralysis, you're.

[Morgan]

You're locked in, paralyzed.

[Kaylin Moore]

You're not really looking at the person next to you or.

[Morgan]

No, because he, like, he. He said he sat up and then, like, looked over at me to make sure I was okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. You're not doing that with sleep paralysis.

[Morgan]

I know. So he. He still is like, no, I want. I want a real experience. And I'm like, what? That was a real experience?

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So I'm like, ida. I feel like ida is good, but, like, I don't know. I need to have someone.

[Kaylin Moore]

There could be something else in your house too, though. Yeah. Maybe have someone come and just feel it out.

[Morgan]

Do we have any professionals in the Los Angeles area that can come help.

[Kaylin Moore]

Me just come get a read on the place? Come get a vibe, Do a walk through.

[Morgan]

Yeah, Come get a vibe.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Just to see, because I do feel good energy. I've never felt the darkness, but, like, him having that experience and then our camera kind of being weird lately. I don't know what's going on. It all started on the anniversary of the lady who passed her birthday. It was like the, oh, 30th anniversary of her death. And that's when, like, the energy started picking up.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

So, yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

So I wonder if there's.

[Morgan]

I don't know what's happening.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know 30 is a big, big, big one.

[Morgan]

I mean, you always hear three. Like 3:00am or whatever the witching hour is.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, yeah, three.

[Morgan]

So maybe.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, something about the 30th anniversary.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

Open something. Did you guys. When did you find the bone in your backyard?

[Morgan]

That was a different house.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, it was okay.

[Morgan]

Yeah. And I did have my animal experts because I posted this bone I found in the dirt in my backyard on Instagram, and people were like, that's a cow. And I'm like, okay, cool. I don't have to call the FBI. Cool.

[Kaylin Moore]

A scary ghost cow.

[Morgan]

Dude, I thought I was gonna about to be like the rugrat, the rug.

[Kaylin Moore]

TikTok lady to call the FBI because there was human remains found on our property.

[Morgan]

No, no, no.

[Kaylin Moore]

You don't want that to be you.

[Morgan]

But I'd be curious to go here. Maybe I won't go down that hallway. But honestly, it does look like. Just looking at the picture, it does give. Spooky. It's like very honestly, very, very big for a sanatorium. And just like a lot of people.

[Kaylin Moore]

Had TB back in the day, so they had a lot of patience. And it was kind of its own city. Right. Because you had to keep. They decided to keep all those patients away from people. So it really was built as its own city. So everyone that was there was sick for the most part.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

And some people would actually recover. It was in a good area where, like, the airflow was nice and so some people would recover, But a lot of people died there. And there's pretty tunnels underneath.

[Morgan]

Tudor Gothic architecture. Tunnels.

[Kaylin Moore]

Tunnels underneath. Yeah. Because they would bring food and supplies up from the city or up from the surrounding towns up through these tunnels. But they would also, the story goes, send bodies from the morgue down the tunnels to the funeral homes. So. But you can. You can go through the tunnels there?

[Morgan]

Yeah. No. Okay. So I'm looking at the ticket prices. Only 20 bucks if you want to get in.

[Kaylin Moore]

Wow.

[Morgan]

You can do an rip for 60.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh. What does the rip get you?

[Morgan]

It doesn't really specify up here, but they have a paranormal tour. You can do a two hour tour in the dark, come walk all five floors, or you can do a public investigation yourself, which is six hours. Or you can do a group of ten. Private investigation.

[Kaylin Moore]

Ooh, I wonder if they supply you with the. I don't have any of the tech that people bring on those tours now. Ruin's got the radios and the dousing rods and all that stuff. I don't have any of those.

[Morgan]

I can reach out to my paranormal investigator, see if he wants to join us. Oh, my gosh.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, he'd be good to do that with. I'm sure he has all of the gadgets.

[Morgan]

Where. Where is this? Kentucky. Yeah, Kentucky. Okay. We can do a trip. I know where my guy lives. He's somewhat close to that. Okay, this is insane.

[Kaylin Moore]

Give him a date and meet him.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God. Okay, maybe not around Halloween, because that feels like we'd open up some really serious energy. So.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, you gotta be careful.

[Morgan]

You let me know when you're ready to go. Yeah, but not around Halloween.

[Kaylin Moore]

That'd be fun.

[Morgan]

Okay. I like Kentucky. Kentucky's a good time. I don't know how I'm gonna feel. Really?

[Kaylin Moore]

No. So that'll be. That'll be a first good trip to Kentucky.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

Going There.

[Morgan]

There's. There's a lot of paranormal stuff in Kentucky. I feel like.

[Kaylin Moore]

I guess it makes sense, right?

[Morgan]

It.

[Kaylin Moore]

South was in the Civil War. Yeah.

[Morgan]

Very, very involved in the Civil War. Yeah. Which. Oh, my gosh. My ghost guy. I feel like I. He did say his name on the story. He said his name was Jake. I can say his first name. Jake. He's sending me some stories and, like, one of them actually, he did do an investigation at an old plantation. And it was really, really, like, the energy there and, like, what he experienced was, like, really, really hard, really heavy.

[Kaylin Moore]

I can only imagine.

[Morgan]

I know. So I feel you hear just a lot. And then didn't you see our girl Annabel in that plantation that burned down?

[Kaylin Moore]

The Not Away plantation? Yeah.

[Morgan]

Didn't they see Annabelle in the window or something? Crazy.

[Kaylin Moore]

Some people. Yeah. Some people on TikTok are like, look at. She's in the window.

[Morgan]

Annabelle, man. Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

The story with that is Annabelle was on tour and she was in New Orleans. And then the Nottoway plantation, which is. It was the largest still standing plantation of the antebellum South. And it was. Yeah, Nottoway plantation. Lots of bodies buried on the property. Really went on the website. This is always what killed me about this.

[Morgan]

You.

[Kaylin Moore]

You would go on the Not Away plantation and website, and it was like, not away resort. And there was nary a mention. They had a whole page that I went on the website afterwards. They have a little tab on their website that says history. And I was like, great, I would love to learn some history on this place. The history included why six trees on the property had the names they had because they were named after the Nottaway family. And that was the only history they gave you on the whole place about the trees. Talking about 155 enslaved people on the property. And they never mentioned anything about that. So, like, that's what's so weird to.

[Morgan]

Me about, like, people having weddings at plantations.

[Kaylin Moore]

Like, and it was all. Yes, the. The website was full of people's weddings and just all these photos of people. They would do tours did not bring up the history of the enslaved people on the property at all. Enslaved people built the house.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

And so really bad. It was just about, well, this guy, you know, he had a lot of trees, and yet I forget exactly what it was that he was known for selling. He was, like, the biggest salesman of some sort of crop in the south. And so he was one of the richest men. And that's what the whole tour is about.

[Morgan]

Like, okay, lies, lies.

[Kaylin Moore]

But it's all burned to the ground. I was a total loss.

[Morgan]

Our girl. And I'm gonna see if I can find the picture Annabelle in the window.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, people thought they saw a lot of different figures. I've seen things as the place was burning.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I saw a lot of like. And it honestly, like, with my own eyes, it did look like that. Maybe if I can find the video, I'll try to post it on our Instagram. But as it was burning, like through the flames, you could see figures, like, walking through.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, I mean, fire is very cleansing. Cleansing and like, but like, releasing, like, it releases a lot of energy just even to burn. And so I think a lot of people, if. If like a haunted location burns down, a lot of people think that, like, all the spirits are also released.

[Morgan]

I've seen that.

[Kaylin Moore]

And so a lot of that's why you can see the figures within the flames and stuff.

[Morgan]

I'm gonna have to find these pictures and post them for you guys. It was. Yeah, I remember it happening at the time and like, people really being excited about our girl Annabelle. So, yeah, let me know if you saw it, because if I can't find it, I'm gonna need you guys to drop the links. But okay, I've got one last the personal share and then some photos.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, excellent.

[Morgan]

Okay, this last official story coming from R. Paranormal, four months old. It's titled Reddit. What's the creepiest unexplainable thing you've experienced that still haunts you to this day? And then the person goes. When I was 12, I used to hear someone whisper my name every night at exactly 3:11am it wasn't sleep paralysis and I wasn't dreaming. It would wake me up from a deep sleep. One night, I decided to stay awake and wait. At 3:11, the door creaked open by itself and a whisper said, you're awake now.

[Kaylin Moore]

No. Whoa.

[Morgan]

Chills. I never stayed in that room again. Your turn to share. This is coming from username notadear. At A tough childhood and bad associations with my childhood home. So I don't ever know what to think about this poltergeist ghost. I slept with the lights on every single day. I do not remember a moment I did not feel uneasy in that house. The least of it was stuff turning up missing and reappearing. I would find stuffed animals that had been gone for months sitting on top of the clean laundry that I'd washed myself right on top to find. I would half finish books and then they'd up and disappear and I'd Wake up with them on the floor by the front of my bed. Kitchen implements were famous around the house. The shears or the good knife would go missing and then reappear in the knife block at will. Forks would turn up on random end tables. Once I was looking for my glasses and when I turned around, they were right on the floor behind me. Hated that. There was a patch of grass in the yard that was very much the classic three foot by six foot grave looking area that no grass would ever grow, no matter how well it was seated. We lived on the site of an old railroad and my father always said it must have been something industrial dumped or buried there. But the feeling of someone watching you was intense. The area around it had been landscaped so it was a perfect circle with the dead grass rectangle right in the middle. There was also always the sound of crunching gravel, like someone walking up the path. It happened so often I quit thinking about it. But now that I've moved out for years, it really is weird. You'd hear gravel crunching in a footstep type cadence. And then the porch swing would creak like the wind was blowing it back and forth. It was metal and set on a metal stand, so a very distinctive rusty metal groaning kind of noise. Sometimes it would go for over an hour, then it would just stop. Never anyone out there, but the swing was always swaying, even though it was under a covered porch near the house and protected from the wind. There was a mirror in my bedroom that my teenage boyfriend, now husband, hated. He made me cover it up with a blanket whenever he came over. It faced my bed and I'd always slept so uneasily in that room. One night I was asleep and I uncovered it. I saw the quickest flash of a woman in a wedding gown looking right through the mirror. The angle I saw her at made it so that she would have either been floating or hanging. I pissed my parents off by taking it off the wall. I was not messing with that ever again. When my now husband saw the mirror down, he said, quote, did you see the lady writing this? Now I feel a little ill. One last story. Almost funny. It was just my now husband and I. Teenagers upstairs and doing things we shouldn't have. We heard a feminine voice. I assume my mom, yellow, not a deer. Rosie wants out. Rosie was our dog. We dress so fast in the oh shit, my mom is gonna kill you way of teenagers doing shit they shouldn't be. I book it downstairs. My boyfriend stays upstairs, I assume trying to think of how to get out of this. Nobody was home. No cars, nothing turned on. My dog cowering under the table wouldn't come out. I call my mom, and I can hear the sounds of her work going in the background. Needless to say, we did not go outside. Which I guess leads me to one last story that I forgot until now that I just kind of put together. Our house was surrounded by a little grove of pine trees on all sides. My mom was absolutely stringent about shutting the windows at night. No blinds open, floodlight on if you're going to walk the dog one day. She jokingly, but not said something about having seen something hopping through the trees once, and that was that. It scared her so badly that she never opened the blinds at night again. I don't know what the hell it was that she saw. I never asked her to elaborate.

[Kaylin Moore]

Ooh, Nope. Did you see the lady?

[Morgan]

He. They 100% saw the same thing.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Morgan]

When two people see the same thing and they don't share, and it's truly like, I saw it. What did you see? And you compare notes, that's when I know. I'm like, that's real.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, I agree.

[Morgan]

It's 100% real.

[Kaylin Moore]

There's so many times where. Yeah, it's like one person experiences something. They convince themselves I'm crazy. I didn't really see that. And then finally they'll confess to their roommates, and then everyone's like, oh, yeah, we've been seeing that too. We didn't think it was anything, but. Yeah, okay.

[Morgan]

We all need to talk to each other a little bit more with the paranormal stuff. Okay, guys. There even.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. What's interesting, there was one story I covered last Halloween where there was a group of guys in a frat house, I want to say, in Ohio. They all felt like something was off about the basement, but none of them ever said anything to each other.

[Morgan]

Oh, no, guys.

[Kaylin Moore]

And they. I think some of them were, like, seeing this guy outside of the house that didn't look like he belonged there. It was weird. And then one of them kept having to go down into the basement, and he was like, something's wrong, but I think I'm just scaring myself. There was fully a person living in the basement. And because it was like a. It was like, basically a fraternity house, so so many people were in and out that no one ever really noticed it. But there was in basement, this locked room basically off to the side. It was like a utility closet, and someone had been living in that utility closet for a while, and it was someone who Was a little bit older than college age because one of the guys admitted that they had seen him walking up the stairs. But, like, thought it was just one of their friends once, but it for sure was just this guy who was living in the hell.

[Morgan]

That whole concept of like someone being able to live in your walls or like in a closet you don't know about or in your attic really, really freaks me out. Like, anytime I hear something that's like bigger than a raccoon up on the roof, I like, I've sent Justin up into the crawl space, the attic before, to like, be like, can you make sure?

[Kaylin Moore]

Like, no, there's no one up there because it happens more. I even had a listener write in that was like a story. Just like that. No, that she had been dog sitting for someone and she kept coming home and the furniture would be moved just a little bit. Same thing. She starts convincing herself she's crazy. Then she noticed that the wash would always be in the wrong. Like sometimes the dryer had moved back to the wash and the wash and moved back to the dryer. And she was like, someone is swapping out the laundry. She calls the police twice. Both times they tell her she's crazy. She ends up calling the cops one final time when she comes home and the furniture has like for sure been moved. Like the table, coffee table was in front of the door. Everything. Couch was blocking the entryway to the. The bedroom hallway. The police come back, they go upstairs and they find that they had missed that there was a guy in her attic. Essentially there was a little drop down area where he was kind of sneaking back into.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin Moore]

And yeah, he was a fugitive on the run who had been just taken up. He had some. This was also in Kentucky, funny enough.

[Morgan]

What is going on in Kentucky?

[Kaylin Moore]

If you're a listener from Kentucky. Are you okay? What's going on? He was called, called like the Mole man or something. Like he had a nickname that they had all given him. And he even mentioned while they were dragging him out too. And he mentioned. He referenced a conversation he heard the girl having with a friend. Because she called a friend being like, I think I'm crazy, but there might be someone in the house. And he referenced that conversation like, yeah, I heard you have that conversation. You were right the whole time. And then they hauled him off into the cop car.

[Morgan]

No, I hate it. This is why home security stuff is so important.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know, but then you got to.

[Morgan]

Make sure your ceiling mole man doesn't know the code.

[Kaylin Moore]

Well, but then you read A story like btk, where he worked for the company that installed all of the home security units. And then I know there's always something.

[Morgan]

It's like, no matter. And that here's the thing with, like, the whole thing is, like, no matter how safe, like, we can try to be, sometimes, like, it just. It doesn't matter. Like, it's just, like, people are gonna truly be people and be crazy. And it is scary.

[Kaylin Moore]

So incredibly rare for there to be a hu. Another human being living in your house. Normally, that is not what is happening.

[Morgan]

Okay, that makes me feel better.

[Kaylin Moore]

But every now and then it is.

[Morgan]

Well, that's a great transition into this one. Because this person. Something's going on in their house. This is coming from R. Paranormal. It's titled Freaking out right Now. What is this? I'm the only one home. I went outside to feed our chickens and looked up and saw this in the bathroom window. I took a picture and zoomed in, looked back up, and nothing was there.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oof.

[Morgan]

So this is the first picture this person shares. Okay.

[Kaylin Moore]

Okay. It's just a normal house. Three windows on the top, two on the bottom.

[Morgan]

And then when you zoom in on one of the windows, you see that face.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh. It looks like the nun from the movie.

[Morgan]

That's literally what I thought.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's someone with a powder white face. And you can see the indents of the eyes, these black indents. It looks like a woman. Like, maybe she has really dark stringy hair too.

[Morgan]

Yeah, dark hair. Ooh, someone's in your house. And then they post another picture. Like, sure enough, nothing in the window.

[Kaylin Moore]

Gone.

[Morgan]

Gone.

[Kaylin Moore]

So I wouldn't go back in the house. I mean, speaking of someone living inside.

[Morgan]

Of your house, who's in there? Yeah. Nope. I'd be burning it down. Cleansing it.

[Kaylin Moore]

Cleansing it for sure.

[Morgan]

Cleansing it. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so moving on to our next picture here.

[Kaylin Moore]

Ooh. The ones with pictures are always the scariest.

[Morgan]

It really, really messes me up. This is what I couldn't fall asleep over, because then I'm just starting to, like, I'm falling asleep, and I'm just envisioning that woman's face, like, in front of my eyes as I, like, open my eyes to wake up. So this is from R. Paranormal, again titled, Blood colored footprints keep appearing on my garage ceiling. I've lived in this apartment for about a year, and every day there are new footprints on the wall that are a weird color. They seem to be the right shoe and no left one. But I swear up and down that they move around just about every other day. I've had my friends come and look and they agree that they do move around and then disappear. All of these pictures are from the same day and I will post an update in a couple days to show the change since this is the first time I'm documenting the footprints. So here is one of the pictures.

[Kaylin Moore]

And these pictures.

[Morgan]

It's a shoe print.

[Kaylin Moore]

Where is this? In the garage?

[Morgan]

The ceiling.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's on the ceiling.

[Morgan]

The ceiling.

[Kaylin Moore]

That looks like blood. And it's a boot print.

[Morgan]

It is a full boot print. It's blood colored like fresh blood too. Not dried blood.

[Kaylin Moore]

Blood. And it's only one shoe. It's only the right shoe. It's not both.

[Morgan]

Not both. And I mean it's very clear. It's appealing. And they.

[Kaylin Moore]

They posted it in Paranormal R. Paranormal because part of me. Have you heard of Hinderkifeck?

[Morgan]

No.

[Kaylin Moore]

So we're doing this for Halloween. We're doing the story of Hendrick, which is one of the scariest unsolved mysteries of all time. It happened in Germany in the 1920s. But it's this family, they all live in this, this farmhouse in rural Germany in the 1920s. And they note, they start noticing things like that. Like dad goes outside one day, opens the door and there's footprints in the snow coming from the woods towards the door that don't go back out. And he's like, oh, maybe the neighbor came over or whatever. Meanwhile, one of his housemaids quits because she thinks the house is haunted because she can keep. She keeps hearing people walking around upstairs in the attic. She thinks it's a ghost. Other people hear someone in the house, the whole family gets murdered one by one. It seems like they each one by one got lured into the barn and were killed with a hatchet. And they think that a person had been living in their house for possibly a month or so. And the family was like, oh, I guess we have ghosts. And just kind of like this person where you're like posting in the paranormal sub Reddit. Ah, is this a ghost? And really it's someone with a bloody footprint walking around in your house. I mean, it's on the ceiling. Which is kind of weird, but still.

[Morgan]

I know the fact that it's on the ceiling would weird me out even more.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know.

[Morgan]

And it's like, it literally looks like blood. So the top comment tells them to spray them with hydrogen peroxide. If it's bubbles, its blood. Please record the experiment for posterity. Posterity. Whoa.

[Kaylin Moore]

Interesting. Okay.

[Morgan]

So OP says, I'll make sure to do this and post an update. If you go to OP's account looking for an update, they do have this comment and they. They also posted this in r unexplained wondering how I could clean or test these weird boot prints for organic material. And they go, sorry for not providing an update. I know how unbelievable it sounds, but I moved out after a friend sprayed it with hydrogen peroxide and it had a very strong bubbly reaction. At the time of this post, I was in Florida for a bit for vacation, so I had a friend do the experiment for me. He never sent me a video, only did it on FaceTime. So I apologize for not being able to provide evidence. After further researching into Morrow Ohio court documents, there's been multiple murders at or near my apartment. So I decided it wasn't worth living there anymore and moved in with family. I don't have any plans to visit or gather any of my belongings because I'm so freaked out. When I build up the courage to return, I'll post a video.

[Kaylin Moore]

Babe, you have to call the police.

[Morgan]

I'm not going there without someone.

[Kaylin Moore]

If there's blood in your vicinity and you don't know whose it is, it could be part of a different crime scene and the police need to know about that. What if someone else got murdered and that this person doesn't know, but a neighbor. Something happened to a neighbor and he doesn't know. You have to. I would report that. I would definitely move out. That's great. But I would for sure try to report that.

[Morgan]

Well, you know what's weird, too? Like, I'm just like, how would they get on the ceiling?

[Kaylin Moore]

That is very strange.

[Morgan]

Like, but there's also, like, this weird. You see this little hook? I'm like, you can't really tell what it is because the picture's kind of dark. But I'm like, there's a little hook there. And then the other ones are by, like, the garage door opener.

[Kaylin Moore]

That is so weird.

[Morgan]

And it's like, why? Why there? Like, I mean, here's what's crazy with one of those footprints. So if you guys have seen garage doors that, like, they retract up onto the ceiling.

[Kaylin Moore]

Does not make any sense where those footprints are.

[Morgan]

No. And so the footprint is like, if there was the garage door opener, motor thing. Okay. And then there's a track that goes down to your door. There's some of these boot prints that are under the track.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So to even get a boot to fit up under in the track, like, it would be very hard to get there. The bloody boot print up there. If you were doing it by just putting the boot on your foot.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And stamping it around.

[Kaylin Moore]

And you know what? That is not for the poster to figure out. That is for the forensic scientist that gets sent to that crime scene to figure out. So I would say definitely contact someone. I would. Yeah. I would just be too paranoid that it was. It could be useful to solve maybe another murder that happened in the area.

[Morgan]

I know. And I'm like, could it be sinking through the ceiling? I don't know.

[Kaylin Moore]

No, I think. I don't think so.

[Morgan]

Someone got hung upside down and then their boot just on the ceiling.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, yeah, maybe. I don't know. I. I really don't know how that would have happened.

[Morgan]

Try to call ghost.

[Kaylin Moore]

Maybe it is paranormal and some ghosty bloody boots around. But it looks very real and recent.

[Morgan]

I mean, ghosts can do physical stuff. I've got this next picture to kind of prove it.

[Kaylin Moore]

Okay.

[Morgan]

I've had multiple pictures sent in by listeners on two outtakes and Father knows episodes of, like, scratches they got and, like, all this stuff. But this is coming from our slash. Paranormal cleaned a dead woman's house and she didn't want me to leave with her things. And this is the person's arm.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, it looks like they got grabbed.

[Morgan]

A full hand grab print and, like, hard.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, hard. The fingers look. Well, there's only four. Oh. I guess the thumb is maybe underneath.

[Morgan]

Underneath. Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

That's scary because it doesn't. It doesn't just look like a handprint. It looks like some of the fingers are crooked or too small.

[Morgan]

Arthritis. Old lady had arthritis.

[Kaylin Moore]

Old lady. But, I mean, original poster did say I was trying to leave with her stuff. So what's up with that?

[Morgan]

I know. The story gives me shivers every time I think about it. A friend of mine invests in foreclosed homes and invites friends and family to come and take whatever you want from a home that he was buying. When I get there, it was cluttered to hell and smelled awful. Food wrappers, expired milk, receipts from years ago. It was filthy. There were about 15 of us, masked and gloved up, scraping whatever we could find. But as we dug deeper into the mess, it became sad. Sentimental items started to appear. New clothes that were in gift boxes, Old passports that were stamped many times over handwritten letters. And many photos from the 60s and 70s. I looked over the photos and felt bad that I was scavenging what was left of this lonely woman's life. From the photos, it seems that she never had kids and she was widowed for a while. I ended up being the last one in the house. The sun just set, so it was quiet and eerie being alone in the musty home. My friend was waiting outside. As I took my basket full of things I had scavenged, I felt it a cold, tight, tingling tug at my right arm. I nearly dropped what I was holding. It really, really felt like someone tugged me back. My body buckled backwards slightly. When I got home, I saw it right where I had felt it. The tug. Clearly a pressed handprint on my arm. This is not a sunburn. It never hurt. Hadn't been in the sun at all for days. The pale pattern of a hand stayed blanched on me for days.

[Kaylin Moore]

Wow.

[Morgan]

I hustled to get rid of the items, and only after everything was sold or donated did the handprint go away. What?

[Kaylin Moore]

I mean, no.

[Morgan]

Ooh.

[Kaylin Moore]

Well, first of all, it's interesting. The poster was, like, surprised that there were sentimental things in a foreclosed house, because what do you. What do you think is going to be in there? I mean, Ash, like, this was a real person who lived there.

[Morgan]

Yeah. I feel like most people would think, like, I mean, it's clear she might have actually died there.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And that's why I was foreclosed versus, like, oh, they lost it to the bank, but they still took their items.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And then she's just kind of.

[Kaylin Moore]

It sounds like that's what the friend does, though. He invests in foreclosed homes. So I feel like there's got to be.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

Some, like, weird stuff that he's got going on. So that's insane. Very pro Ghost in this story.

[Morgan]

I would say, give me my stuff.

[Kaylin Moore]

Give me my stuff back.

[Morgan]

What is crazy, though? When I first looked at the picture, I did think, oh, sunburnt. And then, like, to try to explain the hand, like when you're burned, and then you press on your skin to see how burned you are. Yeah. And then it, like, stays white for a second. But the fact that this stayed on her for days quite some time until all of it was gone.

[Kaylin Moore]

That's scary. Also makes me think of when you are thrifting items and you don't know their history. Some people feel like they take stuff back with them when they thrift an item.

[Morgan]

I've never felt that from any of the items I've gotten. And I did just buy a dresser from another famous Hollywood actress.

[Kaylin Moore]

Really?

[Morgan]

Yeah. And, like, I found some estate sale. I'm a big estate sale. Person. I love an estate sale, but I've never felt that from any of the items. And, like, I found her needle work in some of the dresser, like, parts in some of the nightstands or wherever it was. And it was like this beautiful sunflower she was working on and just never finished.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh.

[Morgan]

So I. I can't throw it away. I can't bring myself to throw it away.

[Kaylin Moore]

I know.

[Morgan]

And so I'm like, trying to find someone to give it to so I know they'll finish it. Versus goodwill. I'm. Now I'm thinking about it, I'm like, did this stuff start in my house when I brought the dresser in?

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, my gosh, Morgan, what the hell? It could have.

[Morgan]

I need to evaluate that a little more. But okay, so capping us off with this last one titled, My uncle was murdered. A while later, my aunt took this photo. And so the first photo. Okay, it looks like the person was taking a picture of a snowy night. Yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Looking out their window and you see someone in the reflection.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah. You can see the room reflected in the glass. And it looks like there's for sure a person sitting behind her.

[Morgan]

Mm.

[Kaylin Moore]

You can even see the painting on the wall. You can see the couch that the man is on.

[Morgan]

Everything.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

You see his, like, it looks like he's wearing glasses.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, yeah, I could tell. He's wearing a black T shirt. He has glasses.

[Morgan]

He's probably bald.

[Kaylin Moore]

And he maybe has a little bit of facial hair.

[Morgan]

Okay, so then we do have a little zoom of it.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So you can see it even more.

[Kaylin Moore]

You can even see his hand. You can see the shirt. He's wearing a black long sleeve.

[Morgan]

And then we get a picture of what the uncle looks like. It is literally him.

[Kaylin Moore]

Oh, that's exactly him. It's him. He's even wearing a black shirt in this photo. And he has the facial hair and the glasses.

[Morgan]

The glasses.

[Kaylin Moore]

Maybe not bald, but really cropped hair.

[Morgan]

Uh huh.

[Kaylin Moore]

Wow.

[Morgan]

Yeah, that's him. It's so crazy.

[Kaylin Moore]

So that photo, did they say how long after he passed away that the photo was taken?

[Morgan]

So I've been hanging onto this for about six to seven years and would love to know what y' all think. In 2017, my uncle was murdered. Now, I can't exactly remember if my aunt sent this photo. A few weeks or a few months later, I can really go digging and find out if that's what's holding you back from believing me. It had been snowing outside. My aunt was home alone and decided to send us a picture of the snow. Within a couple of hours, my mom is blowing up the group chat, telling us to zoom in, asking us what we see. Wow. I go back to the picture and sure enough, it looks like my uncle had been sitting on the couch in the reflection. Needless to say, my aunt was spooked. She insists she was home alone and didn't notice the reflection before sending the picture. My aunt is a no bullshit kind of person, and even if she had done a complete 180 in personality out of grief or something, she doesn't know how to edit or Photoshop. What made me finally decide to post this on Reddit? A couple of months ago, I asked my aunt to resend me the picture so I could show a friend. I never actually saved the original. It had been saved in the group chat files I saw. I saved the picture to my phone and notice it's a live photo. I'm thinking, here we go, I can play the video and I will see my uncle completely still. Since in all reality it was probably something on the couch that happened to make a reflection that looked like him. But no, he fucking moves his head to look at the camera. I know this is Reddit and a huge trust me, bro, but feel free to analyze and dissect the pictures. I'm confident they haven't been messed with other than the zoomed in pic of his reflection, but that was just me cropping the picture. I don't know how to post live photos on Reddit, so if someone tells me how I can post it for you to watch, let me know what you think.

[Kaylin Moore]

Did they ever post the live photo?

[Morgan]

I had not looked and now I'm.

[Kaylin Moore]

Like, I know, I'm scared.

[Morgan]

I get that it's kind of tricky.

[Kaylin Moore]

Because you have to save it, but.

[Morgan]

Yeah, you can save a live photo as a video.

[Kaylin Moore]

You can? Yeah.

[Morgan]

Okay. Oh, God, I'm scared to watch it. Does it post?

[Kaylin Moore]

Ugh.

[Morgan]

Okay, so at the time they had posted, because this is a year old now, they had posted an image gallery and then they posted like the data time link to live photo video. But it doesn't. It doesn't take you anywhere anymore. I'll send op a message. Maybe we can see it.

[Kaylin Moore]

See if you can send it. Oh my gosh. That is very eerie.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Kaylin Moore]

So beautiful.

[Morgan]

I know. Like, she's still there with you.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yeah, definitely.

[Morgan]

Paranormal stuff, y'. All. I cannot wait to see your personal stories. Yes, put it in the comments on Instagram, YouTube, wherever. I'm also putting together another theme, so if you want to share your story, fill out the Google form and I'll see if I can get to it. This spooky season, we did an episode for your show.

[Kaylin Moore]

Yes, we did more listener stories. Some very spooky paranormal stories that happened to our listeners. And so that's available. That's gonna be available the last week of October on the Hearthstone's pounding theme.

[Morgan]

And what else are you working on this month for your spooky season?

[Kaylin Moore]

October is gonna be all the theme is monsters, but we're doing kind of like the real life equivalent of certain monsters. So I'm doing like the Vampire of Dusseldorf. It's the time that Dusseldorf, Germany thought that a vampire descended on their town because a lot of bodies started showing up and all of them had bite marks on the neck and some of them were drained of blood.

[Morgan]

What, is this where Dracula kind of started?

[Kaylin Moore]

It's a. It's actually, it was the 1920s that this was happening. This is like after Nosferatu came out. So this is post Dracula, post everything. And oh, my God, was it a serial killer? Was there really a vampire in the town? We get into it in the episode and then we talk about the Hinterkaifeck story, but kind of under the, like, the Hendrick story is our boogeyman. So we're getting into like boogeyman lore and then telling you the story of Hinderkaifeck. And so we do that with siren lore and we do that with werewolf lore as well.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Kaylin Moore]

And I'll tell you the real life equivalent.

[Morgan]

Buckle up.

[Kaylin Moore]

I'm very excited. It's, it's. I'm really proud of the programming. It's gonna be really fun.

[Morgan]

It's gonna be such a good month for you.

[Kaylin Moore]

It's gonna be really fun. Yeah.

[Morgan]

Kaelyn's first episode will be out at the time of this, but keep your eyes peeled for when ours comes. I'll be sure to share it everywhere. Yes, it's going to be a good month. Over on Heart Starts Pounding and it.

[Kaylin Moore]

Was kind of always spooky season there, but we really like to go hard for actual spooky season.

[Morgan]

It's going to be a good month, but thank you guys so much for being here. We'll have a bonus spooky episode on Patreon as well as the last one coming the week of Halloween. Thanks to our special guests, Annabelle and Gordie.

[Kaylin Moore]

Thank you, guys. You're so well behaved.

[Morgan]

I know, like, really good today. Yeah, I appreciate that. But Annabelle will be sleeping here tonight, so yeah.

[Kaylin Moore]

In the car.

[Morgan]

In the car. Say, bye, Annabelle.

[Kaylin Moore]

Bye, Annabelle. Bye.