237: Ghosts and Goblins..

Summary

Two Hot Takes — Episode 237: Ghosts and Goblins..

Date: October 10, 2025
Host: Morgan Absher
Co-host: Spencer Hunt
Theme: Scouring Reddit and listener write-ins for stories of dating, relationships, AITA, and life — through a Halloween-tinted lens of “ghosts” (people who vanish or act ethereally) and “goblins” (true goblins: monstrous, callous, or appallingly selfish people). Expect stories of friendship breakups, family disrespect, wild in-laws, and a much-needed wholesome twist at the end.

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Episode Overview

Kicking off October’s spooky season, Morgan and Spencer dig into the “ghosts and goblins” of everyday life—drama, betrayals, and the kind of bad behavior you hope never haunts your personal circle. Drawing from recent Reddit posts and listener stories, the pair dish out their signature hot takes with a mix of empathy, humor, and (in Spencer’s case) a flair for the dramatic and violent metaphors.

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Key Discussion Points & Stories

1. Personal Spooky Experiences: Ghosts of the Past

[03:01] Spencer recounts growing up in a haunted house, once a fire station:

• Saw men in yellow jackets running up stairs as a child—later learned the history matched.
• Ouija board sleepover led Spencer to see the ghost of a grandma, who’d died recently.
  • “That night, we woke up…to a huge bang…their dad comes downstairs with a baseball bat…There was no one there. After they used that Ouija board, some crazy stuff happened…”
    — Spencer, [06:06]

Takeaway:
Morgan and Spencer both agree: “Don’t mess with haunted things,” and Ouija board dabbling is for goblins.

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2. Ghosting in Friendships: Maid of Honor Disappears Before Wedding

Reddit Post Recap: Maid of Honor (Jess) ghosts bride Tara ten days before the big day, taking the bride’s veil with her, only to post “self-care” yoga pics on Instagram with her ex-boyfriend (who once hit on the bride).

• Jess ignores concerned DMs, deletes comments, keeps the veil.
• Spencer: “Somebody better pull up to Jess’s house. …I would have booked a flight to whatever cabin she was at, busted down the door, and I would have said, I’m gonna put you in yoga poses, biatch.” [11:00]
• Morgan and Spencer hypothesize boyfriend manipulation or mental health crisis, but regardless, feel Jess’s self-care post is “the drama.”

Notable quote:
“If you’re posting something shady like that, you’re the drama.”
— Spencer, [11:29]

• Tara and her friends unfollow Jess. Spencer: “She wanted peace. She got silence.” [16:30]
• No resolution yet; listeners want updates.

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3. Nanny Gives Husband a “Best Dad Ever” Gift—Motive or Misstep?

Reddit Post Recap:
First-time mom finds keychain gift from nanny to husband, but not to herself. Hints of suspicion amid otherwise good rapport.

• Spencer wonders if it’s a harmless gesture or a “little sus,” especially since the husband found this nanny six months before the birth.
• Reddit and hosts ask: Was there too much “friendliness”? Was the nanny just awkward?

Spencer sums up:
“Is it inappropriate? I would find it inappropriate…But I don’t think there was any foul play here…I think that just like you just said, she probably went to a store…thought it was cute…but didn’t think in her head, ‘I should maybe get Best Mom Ever’.” [32:10]

• Spencer also jokes: “Or the baby inside of her could be your husband’s. You never know. So get that DNA test ready!” [32:11]

Takeaway:
The situation is awkward but likely innocent; still, “set boundaries and check in.”

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4. Ghosts or Psychosis? Friend Sees Apparitions after Ouija Board

Reddit Post Recap:
OP’s best friend starts seeing and talking to ghosts after a Ouija board session; OP, frustrated, gives an ultimatum: get therapy or move out. Friend moves out to live with an “emo goth” who encourages the visions.

• Spencer: “You had good intention in your heart, but, yeah, you came across as an asshole.” [35:46]
• Morgan draws from mental health experience: “You just made her feel so insecure, unsupported, and maybe she’s having an actual mental health crisis and you just acted like a shitty friend.” [38:15]

Morgan:
“If you’re her only family, you say ‘find a new best friend’? Maybe cruelty isn’t the answer.” [45:49]

Consensus:
Harsh ultimatums can isolate those most in need; compassion with boundaries is key. The subreddit was divided, but the hosts lean toward “gentle honesty over tough love” in mental health crises.

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5. The Goblin Family: Boyfriend’s Family Mocks Girlfriend’s Background

Reddit Post Recap:
OP (from a working-class WV family) overhears boyfriend and his sister mocking her looks, upbringing, and “trailer park” background while visiting his wealthy family.

• Spencer: “I would have busted down the door and I would have said, ‘keep my name and my family’s name out of your mouth, you weirdo’…Fuck you, Emily.” [52:14]
• Morgan references Pride and Prejudice, critiquing condescension and the fetishization of “overcoming class.”
• Both agree: boyfriend’s failure to defend her is a dealbreaker.

Notable quote:
“He’s not your man…If my boyfriend was kikiing with his sister talking shit about me, even if he’s not talking shit, if his sister is and he says nothing…he’s a little foot soldier.”
— Spencer, [53:53]

Consensus:
This “bullet dodged” is a wake-up call—loyalty and respect from a partner (and their family) are non-negotiable.

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6. Goblins-in-Law: Daughter-in-Law Refuses to Acknowledge Step-Mom

Reddit Post Recap:
Step-mom recounts years of being snubbed by her son’s wife—including being told to her face and in front of grandkids she’s “nobody.”

• Morgan: “Your husband should have had a conversation with your son, long before it escalated to this level.” [75:23]
• Spencer’s advice: “Make a family group chat and send the video in there. …Just so you know, this is who you married.” [76:29]

Takeaway:
“Enough is enough”—if respect is absent, airing the truth is overdue (and perhaps, Spencer adds, a little social media shame wouldn’t hurt).

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7. Cat Goblins: “I’m Glad My Boyfriend Got Rid of My Cat”

Reddit Post Recap:
OP, unable to bond with or care for her cat, is grateful boyfriend rehomed it. She admits to having violent thoughts toward the animal.

• Spencer (incensed):
  “You want to kill an animal? You sick freak.” [88:44]
  “If you can’t handle a cat, you cannot handle a teenager.” [92:54]

Consensus:
If you hate cats, don’t own one. And maybe, seek therapy rather than adopting any living soul.

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8. Wholesome Palate Cleanser: Feeding the Office Lunch Thief

Reddit Post Recap:
Instead of shaming a struggling coworker caught stealing food, OP packs an extra lunch—eventually getting a subtle thank you (a peppermint).

• Morgan admits to “full-blown sobbing” at the story’s kindness.
• Spencer: “You didn’t just stop the theft, you gave someone dignity when they clearly needed it most. That’s so human of you.” [97:00]

Final note:
“Build a longer table, not a higher fence.” [98:34]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Teen Wolf, that’s giving. It’s giving. A little spooky. We’re in our spooky season right now.”
  — Morgan, [01:33]

• “If you’re posting something shady like that, you’re the drama.”
  — Spencer, [11:29]

• “If someone gave my partner a best dad or best parent ever, not me one, I’d be like…for sure…”
  — Spencer, [30:54]

• “If you can’t handle a cat, you cannot handle a teenager.”
  — Spencer, [92:54]

• “Build a longer table, not a higher fence.”
  — Listener comment, [98:34]

• “Violence is the answer for Spencer.”
  — Morgan, [19:03]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Spencer’s Haunted Childhood & Ouija Story — [03:01] to [07:05]
• Ghosted Before the Wedding — Maid of Honor Drama — [07:58] to [19:35]
• Nanny's Odd Gift to Husband / Marriage Suspicion — [19:42] to [32:31]
• AITA: Forcing Friend to Choose Therapy or Homelessness — [33:51] to [46:04]
• Boyfriend Joins Sister Mocking Girlfriend’s “Background” — [48:24] to [66:04]
• Stepmom Disrespected by DIL — Family Drama — [67:01] to [84:18]
• Anti-Cat Story: Glad the Boyfriend Got Rid of Cat — [85:40] to [93:28]
• Palate Cleanser: Kindness to Office Lunch Thief — [93:32] to [99:03]
• Final Thoughts, World State, and Closing — [99:03] to end

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Tone & Style

True to form, Spencer is animated, often escalating to dramatic threats of violence for comical effect: "I want to bust down her door" or "I’d curb stomp her." Morgan balances this with empathy, pragmatism, and a dash of professional mental health insight. Together, they tackle everything from relationship betrayals to class shame and animal neglect—always with irreverent honesty and, occasionally, some unexpectedly sincere warmth.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers classic Two Hot Takes: rapid-fire stories, unfiltered opinions, and a full spectrum of ghosts, goblins, and the occasional witch or two. Even amidst the mock-violence and raucous banter, Morgan and Spencer find time to champion compassion and dignity—reminding us sometimes the best way to fight “goblins” is with boundaries, honesty, and, when possible, a little extra lunch.

Final bar:
“She wanted peace. She got silence.”
— Spencer, [16:35]

And perhaps, more than ever, a reminder to ‘build a longer table.’

Transcript

[Morgan]

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[Spencer]

Oh.

[Morgan]

Oh, my gosh. You sound like a little werewolf.

[Spencer]

Thank you.

[Morgan]

Are you auditioning for your next role?

[Spencer]

No, not yet. Waiting for them to come in?

[Morgan]

Werewolf isn't on your horizon?

[Spencer]

I fear it hasn't popped up yet.

[Morgan]

Teen Wolf.

[Spencer]

Oh, my God. I would die.

[Morgan]

I could so see that.

[Spencer]

Oh, my God. I used to have the biggest crush on Tyler Posey.

[Morgan]

It was that the main guy?

[Spencer]

Yeah. Dark hair. And then Dylan o'. Brien.

[Morgan]

He was in that too.

[Spencer]

Yeah, he was. He was Stiles.

[Morgan]

Well, Teen Wolf, that's giving. It's giving. A little spooky. We're in our spooky season right now. It's September for us, but because of my wedding, I'm recording way in advance. And this is like the second episode for October.

[Spencer]

This is actually really. I mentioned this earlier, but this is a really sick setup.

[Morgan]

Thank you.

[Spencer]

Like, I really like this setup.

[Morgan]

I know we got the graveyard. Our girl Annabelle for one more episode unless I invite her back. But she was moved today when I got here, so I'm. I'm just.

[Spencer]

Wait.

[Morgan]

I think she. I'm hoping she fell, but, like, she was really locked in. And so, you know, I just like, I can't deal with haunted things.

[Spencer]

No.

[Morgan]

So Annabelle might have to go back home.

[Spencer]

Okay. Well, yeah, no, I don't like haunted things. I feel like they. I feel like people who don't like haunted things, though haunted things always seek them out.

[Morgan]

I think that's the case.

[Spencer]

I Feel like that's always been the case with me.

[Morgan]

Uh huh.

[Spencer]

Like I'm, like, scared of the supernatural and like, all this other stuff, but if you put me in a haunted house, something's gonna happen to me.

[Morgan]

Uh, no.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

No. Which. First and foremost. Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of two Hot Takes. I'm your host, Morgan. I've got Spencer Hunt over here. Spence.

[Spencer]

Hey, guys. Missed you. I'm back.

[Morgan]

I know. It's been way too long.

[Spencer]

I.

[Morgan]

And then number two. Have you ever had a spooky paranormal experience?

[Spencer]

Oh, absolutely. I've had several. I grew up in a haunted house.

[Morgan]

I remember us talking about this on one of the episodes we did. Oh my God.

[Spencer]

Yeah, I grew up in a haunted house. It was a old fire station that got turned into a duplex.

[Morgan]

Mm.

[Spencer]

It was.

[Morgan]

I don't. Did I hear that? I need to, like, watch the episode. I'm like, did I learn that? Did I know that?

[Spencer]

I did not.

[Morgan]

I don't know if I knew that. That sounds new.

[Spencer]

Yeah, that sounds. Yeah, I think that might be new information for you. But yeah, I had that.

[Morgan]

What happened?

[Spencer]

It was just like, weird stuff would happen, like a lot of banging and there would. You would see, like, shadows from time to time. And I remember there was this one time I was like, in my living room, and this was before I even found out that the house was like a fire station. Yeah. And I told my mom. I was like, I was sick at the time and I had like, a nebulizer on my face. For those of you who don't know what a nebulizer is, it's basically like a mask and it gets hooked up to a machine and they put like, steroids in the. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's almost like a syringe and it vaporizes and you would, like, breathe in the steroid. And as I'm sitting there, I saw these, like, men in yellow jackets running up and down the stairs. And I thought I was hallucinating. Like, I. I started crying because I was so. Well, I was one, very sick. But two, I was like, what is going on? And then finally, like, when everything was said and done, I was telling my mom everything that I had seen because that wasn't the only thing that I saw.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

But she ended up doing research on the. Because it, like, freaked her out. And she was like, oh, my God, this used to be a firehouse.

[Morgan]

What the heck?

[Spencer]

But like, I feel like that isn't.

[Morgan]

Even like, the craziest.

[Spencer]

No, there have definitely been, like, Crazier experiences that I've had. This one time, there are these girls who lived across the street from me, and I was best friends with them. They were twins. And I was sleeping over one night and they decided it would be really, really fun to play with a Ouija board. So I left. I went home because I was like, I'm not doing that.

[Morgan]

No.

[Spencer]

I come back a week later. I ended up using their bathroom upstairs and their sister's room. They had. An older sister was across from the bathroom. And I come out of the bathroom and I see this old lady folding. Her name was Kelly. Their older sister Kelly's laundry. So I went downstairs and I was like, guys, why didn't you tell me that there was someone over? And they're like, what do you mean? And I was like, I'm pretty sure I just saw your grandma upstairs. And they were like, our grandma isn't home. Like, our grandma isn't over. And I was like, okay, whatever. We were playing Wii, and it was my turn to choose which Just Dance. We were gonna do like the Just Dance, one, two, whatever. So I go over to the rack where the Just Dance video game discs are, and I see this photo above the rack of video games. And it was the twins, their parents, Kelly, and their grandma and grandpa. And it was a photo from a cruise. And I was like, guys, this is the grandma I'm talking about. I just saw her upstairs. And they're like, spencer, that's not funny. And I was like, what's not funny? And they were like, she died. Like she's dead that night.

[Morgan]

What?

[Spencer]

No. I slept over that night. And we woke up, all of us, in the middle of the night to a huge bang. And we thought it was her parents coming home. Cause they were paramedics. We hear the garage door open, lights turn on. And we're like. We don't hear walking, but we do see, like, feet kind of stop in front of the garage door. And all of a sudden, their dad comes downstairs with a baseball bat. And he's like, get upstairs. Because we thought it was them, but it wasn't. They were home, which was the scary part. And he opened the door, There was no one there. There was nobody there. I'm telling you, after they used that Ouija board, some crazy stuff happened in that house.

[Morgan]

Oh, okay.

[Spencer]

That's why I don't. I'd, like, believe in what you do. Here's the thing. I don't. I don't think Ouija boards were inherent. Are inherently evil. I just think if you don't know how to use one, and you're opening up a door, something's going to know that you're vulnerable and don't know what you're doing. And whatever it is, it's going to come on through and say hello.

[Morgan]

That's insane. Not I. October's off to a really good start, you guys.

[Spencer]

I love October.

[Morgan]

There's your little dash of spooky. Spooky Paranormal. I'm giving you a theme today. I'm calling it Ghosts and Goblins.

[Spencer]

Ooh.

[Morgan]

It's all real stories, though. No paranormal today. Okay, that was last week. But your ghost experience, you'll. You'll know a thing or two. So it's like all these stories that have to do with, like, ghosting or maybe seeing a ghost, but, like, being a bad friend. You'll see. Yeah, it'll make sense. And like, goblins, just like, truly bad people.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Like actual goblins.

[Spencer]

Oh, okay. Okay, I'm getting. I'm getting it.

[Morgan]

It's coming together now.

[Spencer]

Yeah, No, I put the pieces together in my head because I was like, goblins?

[Morgan]

Yeah. A goblin is a grotesque, monstrous, humanoid creature. So these people, they're just. They're monstrous.

[Spencer]

They're horrible.

[Morgan]

They're horrible.

[Spencer]

Oh, okay. Well. Ready? Yeah.

[Morgan]

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[Spencer]

I was about to ask that.

[Morgan]

Nope. And that's it. That's all the details we get?

[Spencer]

That's all we have. Somebody better pull up to Jess's house. I would have. I would have stormed into her home. Especially after seeing that photo. I would have booked a flight to whatever cabin she was at, busted down the door, and I would have said, I'm gonna put you in yoga poses, biatch. Yeah. Give me my veil. That's so crazy.

[Morgan]

Can you imagine doing that to your best friend too?

[Spencer]

No.

[Morgan]

For seemingly no reason. Right. We're not, we're not getting just aside here, but like, no reason. You ghost your best friend and then you like, post.

[Spencer]

Here's the thing though, I will say the fact that she posted online being like, disconnecting from drama and this, that and the third. That's how I know if you're posting something shady like that you're the drama.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Like, you're definitely the problem. Because any, like, sane, normal person, if there was an issue, you would go to your friend about it. Especially if you're the maid of honor and you have the bride's veil and you claim to be her best friend. If there was an issue, you would have addressed the bride or you would have told her, but instead you posted some petty thing and were deleting comments. Like, that's also really weird.

[Morgan]

Well, and like, I mean, her friends are genuinely concerned. Which valid, like, is she crashing out? Like, is she having a mental, A genuine, like, mental health crisis?

[Spencer]

What if the boyfriend like, whispered in her ear? I'm thinking, like, there's a possibility that he was like, you don't get it. Like, they're the reason. Your friends are the reason we're not together. Here's what really happened. And she probably was like, you're so right. And then he was like, why don't we go on a retreat together to get away from the drama? That's what I'm thinking maybe happened.

[Morgan]

Oh, I see that. I mean, you hear about it all the time. Girls cutting off all of their friends because a guy.

[Spencer]

It.

[Morgan]

It does definitely happen.

[Spencer]

I did that at one point so.

[Morgan]

I could see that. But, like, before the wedding. And you still have the veil. Like, at least give back the veil.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Veils are one things with weddings. I was absolutely blown away by, like, I was trying on my wedding dress and like, they just put like a basic veil on me when I was trying it on to, like, get the full picture.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And then I was like, okay, well, I guess I probably need a veil too. And I was like, how much is this? And she's like, 15. And I was like, $15? Oh, no, no, no, sweetie, it's 1500 for a veil. Like, it was just a. It was plain. It was just tulle, no lace, no pearls, just plain ass veil. 1500. I did not get one. I ordered one on Etsy for a hundred.

[Spencer]

And you know what? I better look stunner. Wait, am I. Do we know? Like, did she buy the veil? Or is it like a. Like a hand me down from family?

[Morgan]

Oh, if it was sentimental, that would be worse in my book. So as of right now, I don't want to refresh the post because I do see one comment from OP, but when you go to OP's account, this post is gone. There's no comments. So I think OP has like, since deleted everything, so I don't want to refresh. But the top comment on this one, has the wedding happened yet? Has anyone seen her since? In the true crime sense of things? Because that's kind of also what it's giving. Like, this girl disappears the week before her best friend's wedding, doesn't say a word. Like, my head and I. I have a true crime podcast now. Like, my head does kind of go there, but I'm like, maybe that boyfriend who is genuinely toxic did something really bad and that's why Jess is ghosting and not showing up.

[Spencer]

Or maybe he's just not a good person and very manipulative and narcissistic and he. He had his way. Or most narcissists have, like, a way of saying things or getting in your ear.

[Morgan]

So OP does respond to that wedding is this weekend. So we're still in the eye of the storm. As for Jess, total radio silence. No calls, no texts, no ghostly sightings. She still has the veil. So either she's planning a dramatic reappearance or will be adding her to a true crime podcast by Sunday.

[Spencer]

Oh. Which they'll be adding her to one.

[Morgan]

I guess OP Was trying to make a joke there.

[Spencer]

Yeah, well, she. Yeah, I would, too. I would like.

[Morgan]

We're gonna kill her.

[Spencer]

Yeah. No.

[Morgan]

Give us the veil.

[Spencer]

That's. Yeah. No, but reasonably so. Reasonably like I would understand the anger and confusion, especially, again, like, out of nowhere, nowhere.

[Morgan]

No reason.

[Spencer]

And then you're posted up with a man. Also, this guy who flirted and tried to get with the bride. Isn't the bride Tara or Tara?

[Morgan]

Tara. Tara.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Isn't that the bride?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

That's weird. The fact that he tried to get with her at the engagement party, too.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Spencer]

Why would you still associate with him?

[Morgan]

I don't know why you would pick a loser like that over your best friend.

[Spencer]

Right?

[Morgan]

Like he's trying to get with your best friend or flirting with her or doing whatever. At the engagement party. Huh?

[Spencer]

What are we doing? Girl, stand up. Literally, girl, stop doing yoga poses and stand up. Thank you.

[Morgan]

So someone goes, all right, then ghost her back, unfollow her. Give her the whole who gives a shit treatment. And OP Responds, honestly, that's the vibe. Now Tara's done being upset. She told us no more angry people on who don't show up. We've all unfollowed, and it's giving main character exit for Jess. She wanted peace. She got silence, period. That was like a bar.

[Spencer]

She wrote that she wanted peace. She got silence.

[Morgan]

That was.

[Spencer]

That's. Oh, my God. That is sick. I love that.

[Morgan]

That's a.

[Spencer]

That's a bar.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Spencer]

OP she wanted. She got silence.

[Morgan]

That's all I'm seeing from OP in terms of comments.

[Spencer]

Oh, God.

[Morgan]

And we don't have an update yet. So the wedding would have been this past weekend.

[Spencer]

Saturday, I would assume, is OP Like, a private account, like, anonymous, verified email.

[Morgan]

For OP do you see the email? You don't see the email, but it is verified.

[Spencer]

Oh, I would have been like. If I saw the email, I would have emailed her right away. I would have been like, okay, girl, I know you took down that post on Reddit, probably caused and, like, stood some feathers, but your girl needs to know what's going on because we kind of left it off on a cliffhanger.

[Morgan]

It's. Yeah. It's definitely a cliffhanger.

[Spencer]

I want to know what happened.

[Morgan]

I want to know everything.

[Spencer]

I do, too.

[Morgan]

I'm like, what did. What did Jess do after? What'd she do with the veil? Did Tara get the veil back?

[Spencer]

Did she get the veil? Like, honestly, like, I. My whole thing is, like, I truly would not. As long as the veil was.

[Morgan]

The veil came back.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Like, that's, like, the main thing. Cause if that's a. Again, we've had. We've had, like, wedding stories, but, like, your wedding is, like, your day to remember and for somebody to not only jeopardize your big day, but also withhold something that in the future is going to be very sentimental and something you'll be able to look at and be like, oh, my gosh, like, I'm showing my children that this was my veil on my wedding day. Like, the fact that you're withholding that from somebody you call your best friend. Girl, I hope she's not on a true crime show, but I know.

[Morgan]

Such a weird comment to make, too. But my head. I'm in that mode right now. I'm going and recording two episodes for my true crime podcast tomorrow. So I'm like, I've been researching just, like, some of the craziest cases lately, and my first thought is, like, if this is that out of the normal for her, is she okay? And where is she? Where's Jess? Like, I'd be going to that mountain to track her ass down.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And get the veil. And then if she is alive, then you have your answer and no more friends.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

No, but I'm like, this is very odd.

[Spencer]

Yeah. If I was one of the bridesmaids and I pulled up and she looked like she was in a great giddy mood, I would have slapped her. And then I would have been like, gimme the veil.

[Morgan]

Violence is the answer for Spencer.

[Spencer]

I mean, hey, this isn't some random thing. Like, you took the veil, you ghosted your friends, you posted some shady shit online. If you have to post that, you're removing yourself from the drama to be petty. You're the drama. You, like, simply. You are the drama. Like, exactly. That's my opinion.

[Morgan]

You don't have to be the biggest person, but just be a little bigger.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Just a little. Act a little more mature than that.

[Spencer]

Act accordingly. Like, come on.

[Morgan]

I'm curious if you think this next one is acting accordingly.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Or. What is going on here?

[Spencer]

I'm ready. Let me lock in.

[Morgan]

Okay. This next one. So this post is coming from our Very own thuha takes subreddit One of us. It is six days old, titled My nanny got my husband an odd gift. Longtime listener and posing a question for the group. Me, 25 female and my husband, 26 male, have a six month old baby who has been going to our nannies for approximately three months. This lady has been a saint. Always stays in the loop with us throughout our days and sending photos of our cutie. We met her on a nanny group on Facebook. She is married and has a son as well. Also expecting her second within the next few months. Me and my husband always pack a backpack or something for her days. Over at her house earlier this week she had a gift inside her bag. Kind of looked like a bag from the store. So it did not directly look like a gift bag. I peeked inside and saw a keychain that said quote, best dad ever. My immediate reaction was quote, oh, this is for her husband and she left it in my baby's bag by accident. I texted her to remind her that she may have left this in our child's bag by accident. To which she responded saying quote, no, that is for your husband. At first I thought it was sweet and now I kind of have an odd feeling based off the convo with my husband. Is it weird that my nanny gave my husband this gift or didn't give me one? Am I reading into this first time mom so also do not know special etiquette procedures with having a nanny. What should I do? Or do I do nothing?

[Spencer]

This is a tricky one.

[Morgan]

I don't know. My gut reaction was, well, why didn't she get you one too?

[Spencer]

Yeah, that was my initial thought as well. But my thing is I wanna know what she talked about with her husband because what like did her husband like, has he had like one on one interactions with her and like has he mentioned to the nanny, like, I sometimes feel like I'm not stepping up to the plate enough or like I sometimes feel like I'm not doing good enough as a father and did she get that for him as like kind gesture? Like that's what I want to know because I feel like I'm miss I feel like we're missing something here. Like that conversation she had with her husband. I. I feel like I need to know that conversation.

[Morgan]

I know I'm very. I'm curious. Let's get into the top comment first and then we'll dive into what replies we have from OP. Okay, so top comment on this one. Weird for her to give a gift to him but not to you too. Bad optics. Next comment down. Right. If she'd given OP the mom equivalent, it would be sweet. Just dad is weird. You'd think nannies would be wary of any hint of the whole nanny dad thing.

[Spencer]

But what is she gonna do? She's pregnant.

[Morgan]

Nevermind, never know.

[Spencer]

Yep.

[Morgan]

I mean, this is. This is Reddit. I will say this does seem like a very real story. This user is a part of the Two Year Club Verified email. Okay, so someone goes, he may be a more involved father than she is used to seeing, so she was just giving him a compliment. Someone goes, bruh, that's literally just the auto mod comment. But yeah, op, the gift is sus as hell. A nanny buying your husband a best dad ever keychain while you get nothing. That's crossing some boundaries for sure. And OP goes, it's hard not to go there because that's. I mean, my head would be like, this is kind of weird. And I think it's also weird because she didn't give him the gift to be like, hey, I got you this daddy keychain.

[Spencer]

She left it in the bag.

[Morgan]

She left it in the bag for him to find. But also you left in the bag then in the chance OP could find it. Like, it's just a really weird delivery.

[Spencer]

Yes. I will say I think it's a very strange way to pass off a gift. I don't know, this one is kind of not confusing for me, but I feel, I feel like, again, I want to know, like the conversation she had with her husband, was he uncomfortable too? Like, I want to know if he was uncomfortable. Like, what did he think?

[Morgan]

So the comment we get early on from OP is in response to this. Someone says, you're gonna have to give us more details about the conversation with your husband and why it was odd. So OP responds, we just talked about it if it was weird in general. Kind of like you explained. She didn't mention that she put it in the bag or anything either. I just happened upon it. We both split equal time, dropping off and picking up. He might have more conversations though, just because he is friendly and our baby is the only baby she watches. So it's not like it's only dad. She's seen, she's seen both of them. They live in the States.

[Spencer]

Ooh. What? What?

[Morgan]

Okay, so someone. I don't know. I don't know. I just, I'm. I quick read. I'm like, fuck, op if you're listening, probably stressing you out 10 times more. So someone goes, I feel bad for You. But here's the million dollar question. Who is the one who suggested and found the nanny? Are you sure this wasn't planned for her to be the nanny? Not trying to sound mean or anything, just something to think about. I would maybe start dropping off and picking up the baby going forward if you can. And keep your eyes open. Good luck to you. And op goes, my husband found her six months before we even had our baby. I don't know why my alarm bells are ringing with that. How did he find her six months before?

[Spencer]

And isn't she pregnant and due in six months?

[Morgan]

Due in a couple months.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I don't want to jump to, like, like, horrible conclusions. Yeah. I mean, the lady is married. She's got another kid. But to like. And I, like, I have a very involved partner. I have a very, very involved partner. But if, like, I don't think my fiance would, like, just randomly go out and, like, find our nanny by himself.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Like, that to me is kind of sus. And, like, you might have the most involved partner ever, but, like, that doesn't seem like such a guy thing to do.

[Spencer]

To do at all. Yeah, like having.

[Morgan]

I'm gonna find this nanny for us, babe. And then she said in the. In, like, the very first post, like, we found her on a nanny Facebook group, which. Okay, plausible. But, like, how'd you vet her? How did you make sure she wasn't goofy? Like, how did you make sure that this one was gonna be safe for your kid?

[Spencer]

Right. I don't know. The whole thing is a bit bizarre to me. I do think again, initially, when you first read it, the alarm bells went off when first off, she put it in the bag. It's not like she hand. I feel like it'd be one thing if she approached the wife and was like, hey, I've had conversations with your husband and yada, yada, yada, and I just wanted to give him this keychain. I would still, even if she did that, be a little like, hmm, like, where's mine? But also, like, it's better than just leaving it in the bag for somebody to find and to just, like, not mention it and place it in the bag. That's a little sus. And then further down the line with this whole, like, her talking to her husband about it and him apparently saying that it was odd too. I don't know. Like, the whole situation feels a bit, like, fishy. Like, it doesn't.

[Morgan]

It's superficial.

[Spencer]

Him finding her too. Six months before you had your baby, but you also found her in a Facebook nanny group chat. Like, how does that work? Like, what, did he, like, find her through the nanny group chat? And then you, like, went in and, like, checked her out too? Or, like, how did he.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Spencer]

Or like, did he know her and he told her to join this group so he could point it out to you and have her be the nanny for you guys?

[Morgan]

I. That's what I'm like. I'm like, how old is this lady, too? Okay, so we don't have.

[Spencer]

Cause he's 26.

[Morgan]

A mention on the nanny's age, but he's 26. Op is 25. So someone here goes, maybe your husband. Hear me out. Is the dad to the baby the nanny is going to have. And someone responds, she said the nanny has only been the nanny for a few months. And then nanny is, like, six months along. Someone goes, yeah, so the affair preceded the employment. And OP responds, no, I was on maternity leave and watched our baby. Then she watched our baby after our daughter has been with her for longer than she got pregnant.

[Spencer]

Wait, what?

[Morgan]

So she got pregnant after she started watching op's baby? So she started nannying for OP and then she got pregnant.

[Spencer]

Girl, we need to see what that baby looks like when it pops out. That's all I gotta say. Let's see what that baby looks like when he or she pops out. Cause if that baby has your husband's eyes. Bab. Sorry.

[Morgan]

Okay. DNA test. But this, like. I'm like, ugh. Are we just being paranoid?

[Spencer]

Are we. Are we. Are we the problem?

[Morgan]

Are we the problem?

[Spencer]

Are we? So, like, have. Have we experienced so much trauma in our lives that we are now, like, putting it onto somebody else?

[Morgan]

I know.

[Spencer]

Here's the thing. Like, realistically, could this just be, like, a little, like, fluke? Like a little, like, oh, okay, like, this happened. She didn't mean any harm in it. She just got it for your husband. Yeah, but because of how odd it is, because of the way that it happened, because of the way that she did it, because she didn't get you one either. It's reasonable to have some alarms go off. Yeah, but I don't. I feel like this is a conversation you really do need to have with your husband, though. Like, I really think that this is a conversation you should further have with him. And again, like, I want to know if he was uncomfortable. And if so, why? Like, why was he uncomfortable? Because clearly you're uncomfortable. Cause you didn't receive one. And this lady just placed it in a bag.

[Morgan]

I know. OP does have A couple other comments here. He didn't say anything, Sus. I have absolutely no reason to believe anything was crazy going on with the two of them.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Morgan]

I did address it. Basically, me and my husband just went into the fact that it said, best dad ever when her husband is, in fact, going to be a dad soon, and just thought she would have given it to him and didn't mean to give it to us. Then when she responded and said it was for him, we just thought, odd that she gave it to him instead. Which, like, my thought was like, maybe she went to, like, a store, gas station, whatever, saw this best dad ever.

[Spencer]

Got one for her husband, and then was like.

[Morgan]

I was like, oh, this is cute. I'll get it for blah, blah, blah, too. But didn't think in her head, oh, I should maybe get best mom ever.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Like, that is such a weird almost in a. But is it inappropriate? But, like, I would find it inappropriate, like, if someone else.

[Spencer]

If someone gave my partner a best dad or best parent ever, not me one, I'd be like. Like, for sure. I don't. I wouldn't. I don't think there was any foul play here. Like, real talk, like, you think she's good. I think that this woman, she had the right idea. She was in the right headspace. I think that just like you just said, she probably went to a store, went to a gas station, and was like, aw, like, I'm gonna have a baby soon. I just see this, like, best dad ever keychain. Why don't I get it for my husband? And then she thought, hmm, you know, it would be nice if I also got it for the dad that I'm babysitting to now. If that were me in that situation, would I also get one for the mother? Absolutely. But maybe that's just, like, a lapse of judgment on her part. And again, like, yeah, he found her. Like, he's the one who sought her out, which is also, like, a little iffy. But, yeah, maybe that's also her being like, thank you. Maybe she also knows, like, the nanny knows, like, he's the one who sought me out. So, like, this, like, I want to show him that I appreciate that. And it. And it's less of, like, a foul play thing and more of, like a appreciation. Like, thank you for allowing me to watch your daughter and thank you for choosing me over all these other nannies.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

So it could just be that. Or the baby inside of her could be your husband's. You never know. So get that DNA test ready get that mouth swab ready. Send it into 23andMe. Actually, not 23andMe. They've gone bankrupt. Send it into a lab or something of some sort and find out if that baby's his. Love you, girl. Sorry.

[Morgan]

Keep us posted.

[Spencer]

Let us know what happens. Bae.

[Morgan]

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[Spencer]

Yeah, a little. A little back in a little time travel.

[Morgan]

I know. It's titled Am I the Asshole for Telling my Best Friend to go to Therapy after She Started seeing ghosts? My 21 female best friend, who's 20 female, started seeing people that aren't actually there after playing with a Ouija board about a week ago. There was somebody answering the board, I suspect a friend of ours. Just after the board spelled out die, the candle got blown out again. I suspect our friend, even though I didn't see her do, honestly, felt like a bad horror movie. We were totally freaked out and drove home. Haven't spoken about it since. I think the whole situation tipped my friend over the edge since she began seeing people nobody else could see. Shortly after, it caused her boyfriend, 22, male, to break up with her, which didn't exactly help, but she promised to go to therapy if it didn't Stop. That was until another guy, 22, male, some emo goth dude from college. I didn't even know they knew each other. Told her the people she saw were actually ghosts, after which she wanted nothing to do with therapy any longer. So yesterday, when I saw her in the city talking to a ghost, there was nobody there except her. I told her she should either go to therapy or start looking for a new best friend and a new apartment. I know I kind of overreacted, but I can't take this any longer. I just want her to go to therapy, not to actually move out. But now here's the thing. She actually started packing right after and left the apartment in the evening. And do you know who she moved in with? The freaking emo goth dude. I'm really scared he might do something to her. So am I the asshole?

[Spencer]

Oh, babe, I hate to be that person, but I think you had good intention in your heart, but, yeah, you came across as an asshole. Like, if that were. If that were, like, my best friend and she was like, I see dead people girl, and I was, like, looking at her talking to a corner, I would be like, hey, I think you should go to therapy and see if you're still seeing these ghosts after going to therapy, okay? If you're still seeing them, obviously, maybe you're clairvoyant. Maybe you have some ability, whatever, but I wouldn't. I feel like the whole beat it. Like, go to therapy or get the hell out, that was a little bit much. And obviously, if your friend who is going through a breakup just found this emo boyfriend is, like, going through some sort of psychotic episode. If you tell her to move out and she's, like, in that headspace of, like, either everyone's against me, or you know what? Screw it, okay? She will move out. And I feel like it's not your fault you didn't know. I feel like maybe you could have chosen your words a lot more wisely, because I know for a fact that before I was medicated and I was on the right medication. If your friend has a behavioral mood disorder, she probably was manic. Like, that's what it sounds like to me. It sounds like your friend experienced a manic episode, and. And you saying that she was talking to these ghosts. Yeah, that is another big part of mania. Like, I once had a. They call it auditory hallucin. Like, hallucinations.

[Morgan]

And that's what this sounds like. It sounds like a genuine hallucination.

[Spencer]

Yeah, it sounds like your friend is having, like, auditory hallucinations and anything could have triggered it. Honestly.

[Morgan]

Honestly, the Ouija board could have triggered it. And then, like, I mean, you don't know what triggers stuff. And, like, she's only 20. People have their first, like, episode of psychosis. It can happen. Into 30s. It can happen. Literally. You can go your whole life, have a really, really, really bad mental break, and then you have symptoms. Then, like, when I was working in a mental health facility, this guy had his first, like, hallucination and, like, psychosis at, I think he was, like, 57. Like, it can happen. It can happen. And then if you use drugs, like, you can have drug induced schizophrenia.

[Spencer]

Yep.

[Morgan]

There's so many ways things like this can develop. But I would not have been like, you need to go to therapy or you need to get a new best friend and a new place to live. Like, you just made her feel so insecure, unsupported, and maybe she's seen ghosts. Maybe it's from the Ouija board. Maybe she's having an actual mental health crisis and you just acted like a shitty friend.

[Spencer]

Yeah. And I know in your head you thought you were doing the right thing. And sometimes I feel like, if this were two years ago, I remember when I was 20, when I was, like, 21, I thought, like, oh, like, being blunt and harsh, like, that was like my form of, like, honesty and love.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

But, like, there's being blunt and harsh and there's being, like, truthful without being a dick. And I feel like when you're blunt and harsh with someone who's already going through a mental crisis.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

That could very well put them over the edge, especially if it's coming from someone so close to them. Like, yeah, you're her best friend and you live together, and now you're telling her you need to go to therapy or you need to get a new best friend and move out. If that were my best friend telling me that while I was going through, like, a psychotic episode. And again, when you're going through a psychotic episode, you don't know what's happening. Especially your first one. Like, the first time it's happening, you're like, oh, like, this is just life. Like, this is normal. So, like, you telling her that at a very vulnerable. Where your friend was at a very vulnerable spot, you saying that probably pushed her over the edge enough to be like, okay, I'm out. Deuces. Like, fine. Bye. Because now she probably feels like a burden too.

[Morgan]

Yeah. It's just really sad. Overall vote on this one. Not the no people thought, not the which I get. Hey, like, everyone's responsible for their own mental health, but, like, at the same time, given this context, you weren't the greatest of friends. Like, this was not a great way to treat your bestie.

[Spencer]

No.

[Morgan]

Top comment. Not the asshole. But if she's hallucinating, a hospital is probably more appropriate for her situation. Do you know her family? Could she contact them, explain the situation to get someone to do a welfare check on her? Her parents live on the other side of the country, says op but she and her family aren't really that close. The closest thing to a family she actually has or had were me and my parents. But I am also not sure if involving my parents would make the situation even worse.

[Spencer]

Diva, Diva. You. You even saying there, like, the only family she really had was me and my parents, Babe. No, Like, I'm sorry, this is the one time I will say this. I do not agree with the people who are saying you're not the asshole. I know it's been a few years. I hope you've grown. I hope you've moved past this. I hope your friend is okay. I hope you're still friends, and I hope you've found way back to one another. But in this situation, I do fear you were the asshole. I do fear that if one of my best friends came up to me. Yeah, and by one of mine, I mean Zaya. If Zaya came up to me and was like, I'm seeing ghosts. Oh, sorry, guys. It's my prep alarm. It's my alarm to take prep.

[Morgan]

There you go.

[Spencer]

But if Zaya came up to me and was like, I'm seeing ghosts. I'm seeing things right after a. And then got broken up with and then started telling me even more she's seeing things, that's when I would be like, okay, girl, we need to sit down and have, like a full blown conversation. And I need a level with you. And I don't care how long this conversation has to be. It can be 20 minutes, it can be five hours. But we need to figure out what is going on right now because it is not normal for you out of the blue to start seeing ghosts while also displaying very. And I think that's another big part of it too. She clearly was displaying odd behavior. If she's, like, talking to nobody that's there, she's. She's not acting like herself. If Zaya was displaying behavior and acting in a way that I had not recognized, plus telling me she's seeing and hearing ghosts, girl, I know, like, I. I would not have kicked. Kicked Zaya. I would never kick Zaya to the curb. But that, I feel like, was very harsh.

[Morgan]

Especially when you're like, I'm her only family, right?

[Spencer]

Like, you and you admitting, like, I'm her only family and, like, I didn't know if I should get my parents involved. Girl.

[Morgan]

Well, I will say OP sounds a little goofy. Like, she went to go with the emo goth guy. I'm scared he's gonna do something to her. Like. Like, he could just be in a goth stuff and doesn't mean he's a serial killer. Like, people wear what they're gonna wear to express themselves. Like, just don't be so judgmental maybe. Like, I don't know. It's. It's interesting. There are a couple other comments OP responds to. Someone goes, not the asshole, but not a great friend either, period. OP goes, thank you for your honesty. I wish I could take it back. She doesn't even answer my calls and is ignoring my messages. Someone goes, why did you tell her to go to therapy? Therapy won't help if she is seeing ghosts. She needs a doctor. And Opie goes, I'm sorry. English isn't my first language. We found somebody who specializes in people who hear voices that aren't really there. Her boyfriend found her. The website before he left, my best friend, he told her they might still have a chance if she goes there, which is kind of disgusting if you ask me, but was the thing I did any better? Anyways, it says on her website that she does therapies, but maybe that's just a mistranslation on my part. I do think it would be the right thing for my friend, though. But right now, she won't even talk to me, so I have no way of convincing her to go to the doctor or therapy.

[Spencer]

Well, what's the earliest update like, the most? Is there, like, a recent update at all?

[Morgan]

No, we have nothing. Nothing of note. I mean, the post is again now two years old. The last comment we have from OP is, like, right now, she's ignoring all my calls and messages, so I hope she's out there. I hope she's okay.

[Spencer]

I hope your friend is okay. Yeah.

[Morgan]

Op, if you hear this story, I'd love an update. I'd love to, you know, make sure your friend's good, like, but damn.

[Spencer]

Yeah, that was a bit of a goblin. Yeah, bit of a goblin.

[Morgan]

Bit of a goblin.

[Spencer]

No offense, diva, but if the shoe fits, right? I would again, Like, I could not. I could not imagine telling my best friend, bye.

[Morgan]

No. And it is really hard. Like, it's really hard dealing with, you know, other people having mental health crisis. Crises. Crisises if you're not trained in it. Like, I've had training and, like, it's still very. It's difficult to deal with. And I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a doctor. Like, I had basic level, like, OT training and how it would relate to me. And so I'm like, I don't even really know how to deal with it. And it's hard when you have a loved one or a friend. And it does sound like OP was at least, like, encouraging her to get help and like, she wasn't following through. So I get how maybe OP was at her wit's end.

[Spencer]

Yeah. But I could also see that as well.

[Morgan]

But again, like, you're her only family. You say, find a new best friend. Like, maybe that was your relationship and maybe you could joke, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't be so cruel to someone who's struggling. But, yeah, I don't know. I hope everything worked out okay.

[Spencer]

And I hope. I know there was also probably times where OP felt drained. Especially if you're, like, telling someone, like, to get help and they're not, or you're telling someone, like, to get help and not only are they refusing to, but they keep saying, oh, like, oh, yeah, I will. And then they don't. But I still think that kicking your friend to the curb is not something anyone should do. But I'm sure this. I'm sure this is a lesson that was learned.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I know, I know it's really tough. If we have any providers out there, please, I'd love to see in the comments just, like, any recs for what to do if you have a friend that's experiencing a psychosis or like, they're having kind of their first break and you're like, how do I help? How do I point this out to them? Like, what do you do for family and friends? And I know there's obviously resources you could find on Google, but if you have great personal experience and you're a provider, I'd love to see it in the comments. But moving on to this next one.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Morgan]

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[Spencer]

Wait, is this her, her boyfriend or.

[Morgan]

Her boyfriend and his family talking shit?

[Spencer]

See already from the jump by yeah, I would leave them too. I would leave him too. And then before I left him I would clog his toilet. All of them.

[Morgan]

Not the toilet.

[Spencer]

I would. I'd clog all of his toilets.

[Morgan]

And then what would you clog it with? Just a bunch of toilet paper.

[Spencer]

No shit. Yeah.

[Morgan]

You could shit on command. Like that.

[Spencer]

No, not on command. I would just eat a whole bunch of food.

[Morgan]

A whole whole bunch of do the papaya challenge.

[Spencer]

No, literally. And I would. I would clog the toilet.

[Morgan]

I like this.

[Spencer]

I clog the toilet with my shit and a whole bunch of toilet paper and probably paper towels. And then I'd say good luck Bitch. Deuces.

[Morgan]

Bye. I, 26, female, have been dating Mark, 27, male, for five months. I met him at a bar while I was out with friends and we immediately hit it off. Dating him has felt like a dream and I feel so fortunate to have found someone so funny, smart, handsome and kind. He met my family and they instantly fell in love with him. They're thrilled I found such an amazing partner. He constantly tells me how much he loves me, how perfect I am and he can't believe he finally found the one. Five months Last week we drove to meet his family. I was already a little self conscious and nervous because Mark comes from a very wealthy and well educated family. Both of my parents are blue collar workers and are considered lower class. I grew up in West Virginia and worked Incredibly hard to earn a scholarship to UMD after high school. After graduation, I moved to D.C. and I found a job that pays pretty well. I'm proud of how far I've come considering my family's circumstances.

[Spencer]

Good for you, girl.

[Morgan]

Still, I sometimes feel like an outsider who doesn't quite fit in with the upper class society. I'm also self conscious because the women Mark dated before me were extremely beautiful. His most recent ex has a massive social media following and easily could be a model. I consider myself a little above average and invest a lot of time and money into my appearance. When we arrived at Mark's family's house, everyone was welcoming and kind. I felt ridiculous for ever being nervous and began to relax, feeling like I was fitting in just fine. We spent most of the time outside on their patio with people filtering in and out to grab food, drinks and socialize. I didn't notice when Mark and his sister Emily, 31, female, disappeared because I was caught up with chatting with everyone. When I got up to use the restroom and walked through the house, I heard hushed whispers from another room. Immediately, I recognized Mark's and Emily's voices and I heard my name mentioned. I stopped and listened for a couple of minutes and was devastated by what I heard. Emily said she was surprised he's dated me because I'm not nearly as established or attractive as his previous partners. She went on to say, quote, didn't you tell us her family basically lives in a trailer park and her dad doesn't even have a high school diploma? Followed by laughter. I waited for Mark to defend me. Instead, he agreed with her. He said he considers me cute, that my personality makes up for my appearance and family, and that I'm definitely not his usual type, but that he really loves me and is happy we found each other. She ended the conversation with, quote, we're all just surprised. She's not what we were expecting. As long as you're happy, I guess.

[Spencer]

You know what I would have done? I would have busted down the door and I would have said, keep my name and my family's name out of your mouth, you weirdo. The second you start talking about me, me is fine. The second you start talking about my family, saying I'm from a trailer park. Okay, and what if I am? I'll show you what's up. I'll show you what's up real bad. And you're gonna wish you never said that, you weirdo. Fuck you, Emily. Sorry. That just made me so mad.

[Morgan]

I love it.

[Spencer]

That made me so mad.

[Morgan]

It Feels nice not to be the only one that gets mad at these stories.

[Spencer]

That is so, like, rude and disgusting. Disgusting. Also, it's none of your business. Yeah, he's your brother and, yeah, you can look after him. But for you to be commenting not only on her appearance, but who she is as a person and where she comes from. Jesus's father was a carpenter. They didn't have money. He was born in a barn, babe. And look at. And look at that. There's a whole book written about him, Old and New Testament, biatch.

[Morgan]

The post goes on to say I felt numb for the rest of the day and put on a show for his family, pretending everything was fine. When we got in the car to leave, I told him I'd overheard his conversation with Emily. I began crying and said their words confirmed everything I'd feared about our relationship. I told him I needed space and time to think. He kept apologizing and telling me how perfect he thinks I am, how Emily has always been a bully, and how beautiful he finds me. This was five days ago. @ first, he respected my space and checked in with texts that I didn't answer. Now he's in full panic mode, constantly calling, texting, and begging to come over to talk in person.

[Spencer]

Good.

[Morgan]

Good.

[Spencer]

Thank you. And leave it that way. Leave it that way. Because if he's not gonna stand 10 toes. 10 toes behind you and defend you to his sister, who's a quote unquote bully, then he doesn't. Then he's not. He's not your man. He is not your man. Hello? If my. If I found out that my boyfriend was kikiing with his sister talking shit about me, even if he's not talking shit, if his sister is and he. He says nothing and he's just, like, sitting there like a little foot soldier. No. Yeah. Let him call, let him text. Let him do what he wants to do. He's a little bitch. That's what he is. That's what he is.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And screw his sister, too, again. And for him to be like, oh, yeah, she's a bully, then you should put her in her fucking place. Like, what are you doing?

[Morgan]

Why would you go along with your sibling like, I would never. And then find a switch back at my brother. Your siblings are the ones you can fight with and push boundaries with. Like, what? Weird. We're not. We're. We still have a couple more sentences here. I told him to leave me alone and that I'd reach out when I was ready. It has now escalated to his sister Messaging me on social media to apologize again.

[Spencer]

That bitch.

[Morgan]

She wants to meet for coffee to discuss the situation. No, I need advice on how to handle this, and I'm wondering if anyone has been in a similar situation. Part of me wants to forgive them and move on, but a part of me is disgusted that they spoke about me and my family that way. I'm not sure I could ever fully forgive them. And I worry this would follow us for the rest of the relationship.

[Spencer]

Yeah, it would. You need to drop his ass. You need to drop kick his sister's ass. I really. I really. This one really made me mad. The fact that his sister's now reaching out, too. Like, why? Like, why? Yeah. So now. Now. So here's the thing. You know what you did was wrong. Yeah.

[Morgan]

And you're clearly embarrassed trying to patch it up.

[Spencer]

Right? And now you're here like, oh, like, clearly, my. My brother likes you. So, like, now I'm gonna step in. No, you, Your brother should be fixing the situation, not you. First of all. Second of all, your brother's a bitch. Third of all, if he's not standing ten toes behind you, you have got to go. If you overheard your boyfriend talking to his sister and his sister is not only making fun of you, but your family, and it has taken you not talking to him for several days for his sister to reach out to you and for him to panic. That is insane. That's insanity to me. That is literally. You need to stand your ground and distance yourself from him. And I'm really proud of you for doing just that, for distancing yourself from him and saying, I'll reach out to you when I want to. If I overheard my partner talking trash about my family, I would never trust them again. No, ever. Especially the fact that you. And imagine you didn't hear any of that. Imagine you just went about the rest of your day like, oh, there is a reason you heard that the universe works in mysterious ways, and that happened for a reason. I do. You heard that. You heard that because you are meant to hear that. And you heard that so you could see how slimy and messed up and fucked up him and his family are.

[Morgan]

It's a little bit of like, hey, the bullet was coming in slow motion. It was giving Matrix. And here's your chance to dodge it. I will say, like, I understand how maybe the background he came from is like just a super out of touch entitled background. But even that, it's like, when you love someone, you just love them. You love all of them. Like, what her Background is. And you know, how hard she's had to work to get to where she's at is a part of the reason you love her. It's not like, oh, I love her in spite of that. Yeah, you're not Mr. Darcy. And this, like, to me, like, I read it and I'm like, oh, my God, we're kind of giving Pride and Prejudice. Like, I love you despite your terrible background, your inferior birth. And it's like, we are not in a Jane Austen novel. This is the real world. I've worked my ass off to get here. And like, it doesn't matter where I came from. And there's nothing shameful about growing up in a trailer park at all.

[Spencer]

Have you seen some of those trailers, girl? Some of them are insane.

[Morgan]

I mean, it's just like, how fortunate to have a roof over your head. We live in such a dystopian time. That. That is like an amazing thing.

[Spencer]

Like, live. Having a roof over your head is a luxury.

[Morgan]

It literally is. Like, look at what's going on all around the world right now. Like, look at Gaza. And like, what? All of these, like, refugees and like, there's a fucking genocide going on there. There's stuff going on other places. Like, the world is at such a insane time. And you're gonna judge someone for having a hard working family that made sure they had a roof over their heads and food on the table and got.

[Spencer]

And their daughter clearly cares enough about her family to be like, you know what? I'm gonna go to college. And even though my dad didn't get a degree, I'm gonna get a degree and I'm gonna work my ass off to get where I wanna go.

[Morgan]

You don't know why he didn't finish high school? What if he couldn't because he had to get a job at 15 to support his family? Why are you being just the most horrendous, judgmental people? You don't know everyone's story. You don't know what they went through. You came from privilege and wealth. Don't be an asshole about it. You can't control the cards you were born into, just like they can't control theirs. What? And I, I kind of said it, but I'm like, if my sibling, no matter how much I loved them, if my sibling started to, like, clap about my partner, I defend my partner. That's my person, that's my partner. Am I gonna let my siblings talk shit about my partner? Partner, My boyfriend, my fiance, my husband. No, I'm gonna clap back and be like, you're being an asshole.

[Spencer]

I just can't stop thinking about the fact that his sister laughed.

[Morgan]

The laughing.

[Spencer]

I would have busted down that door, and I would have given her a real good reason to laugh.

[Morgan]

I. I get op just wanting to, like, keep it together and keep a smile on her face and, like, play it off like, everything's all good with the family, but just to, like, walk in the door and be like, I see what you truly think. Okay. And then, like, walk out. Like, ugh. I. I really do think when you overhear people talking shit about you, like, walking in and confronting them and, like, just sometimes it should be done. It.

[Spencer]

Not only should it be done, but I feel like in those situations, a lot of times, like, you feel too embarrassed to do it. You should not be embarrassed. They should be. They should be. Especially if he's your boyfriend and he's saying how in love he is with you.

[Morgan]

You're the one.

[Spencer]

You're the one. You've only been to get here was the other red flag. Babe, you've been together for five months and he's already saying, you're the one. You have got to go. You need to run for the hills. You need to run for the hills. If he's telling you after five months that you're the one, not only do you have to run for the hills, but if he's literally sitting there talking shit about you to his sister, even if it's not him talking, if it's just his sister, if he is not defending you to her, do you really want a man like that? Do you want a man who's going to be a little bitch? Because that's what it's giving. It's giving. Oh, like, I'm gonna be really nice to you behind, like, closed doors when it's just us, but, like, if my family talks negatively about you, I'm not gonna stick up for you because I'm a bitch. Do you want that?

[Morgan]

I would never care about who my brother is dating. Like, my one brother's married, so it's like, I've got the young one to look at. I'm like, I wouldn't give two fucks who he's dating as long as he's happy.

[Spencer]

Right?

[Morgan]

I would never judge or, like, be like, oh, well, she's low level. Like, what the fuck? Who cares? It's your brother. It's his life. Why do you care? As long as she's nice and loves him and he finds her attractive. You're not the one that has to sleep with her. If he finds her attractive and he's with her, then that's cool. Why are you even so, OP does respond to a comment here. The comment, the main one, was deleted. But someone responds and goes, him defending her would be him saying, quote, hey, don't talk about her like that, or, you don't know anything about her family. She's beautiful and kind and I love her, so please don't ever speak about her like that ever again. It's not okay to judge someone based on her family and her looks. Any version of that. He said that his sister was right, but she is cute and her personality makes up for her looks. Kill me. When did he defend her? You deserve better. At the very least, you now know what he really thinks of you and your family. OP responds, this has kind of been my take on it so far. If my sibling ever spoke about my partner this way, I would also say something along those lines rather than laugh along and agree with them. I wasn't expecting him to lash out at her, but I was hoping he would at least tell her to stop being so disrespectful and judgmental.

[Spencer]

And the fact that they were, like, alone in that room, like, why are you. That gives very, like, a mean girl energy. Like, let's go to the room to talk shit about your girlfriend.

[Morgan]

Yeah. I. I'm curious if you guys out there think there's hope in redemption on this one. Because I'm like, you know, there better not be, girl.

[Spencer]

You better break up with him.

[Morgan]

He would really, really have to step up if your relationship has been so great this far. And, like, you. You love him and, you know, he's kind and funny and all these things. Like, I could see this being a lapse, like, falling into the sister's trap and whatever, but, like, this guy would really, really have to step up. He would really have to set his sister straight. She would be giving me an apology 100%. I want to hear it.

[Spencer]

She would be buying me that coffee too. Like, it wouldn't be like, let's go out for coffee. No, we're going to a diner and I'm getting a meal. And you're paying for that. And you're also paying for my Dr. Because I'm gonna get a margarita too. What about that?

[Morgan]

Who cares if it's 9:00am no, literally, I. I think, like, I hate knowing what if. I hate wondering what if. And, like, granted. Did he fuck up? Yeah. Did he say kind of fucked up things? Yeah. I wouldn't love to be Called cute. And, oh, my personality makes up for my looks or lack of. Like, that's what that implies. It is hurtful. But if you don't want to be left with, what if they really got to make up for it?

[Spencer]

I think you need to lay down the law if you choose to be with him, which I don't think you should do.

[Morgan]

Yeah. I'm curious what people think.

[Spencer]

I feel like trust and loyalty is such a big thing for me, at least huge. So if I stumbled upon my partner behind closed doors talking negatively about me and my family to his family member, to his sister, and then to hear them, like, him laugh and her laugh at me as if I'm some sort of project, not a cherry case. As if you're. Yeah, like, I'm, like, less than you and like, I'm being called like, oh, but she makes effort with her personality and she's a little cute. Regardless of what you say. That conversation is so fucked up. The one that you had behind her back.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And I personally do not know or could not see how I would be able to move forward out. Always thinking about, like, are you actually sorry, or are you sorry you got caught?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Would you actually feel sorry about what you were saying? And would more conversations like this come about if. If I didn't know, or are. Are you actually genuinely sorry about saying these things about me?

[Morgan]

It'd be very hard to trust him going forward. You'd kind of always be looking over your shoulder. Are they talking about me again?

[Spencer]

Do you want that? Like, do you want that?

[Morgan]

I would be very curious. Like, I've had partners hurt me in the past, and, like, you know, you. You forgive and you move forward, and you kind of start with a clean slate. You would really have to do that. And the question is, can you do that? Can you get an apology? And can you get to a place where you feel good enough to do that? But OP has no other comments, no official update yet. It's only two days old. So, OP I'd love an update. I'm gonna make sure I follow the account and fingers crossed. I'm very curious. I'm really curious what you guys think out there. If you think that there's a chance that someone can come back from this, if you yourself have been in a situation, put in the comments, I want to know, is there hope for them also?

[Spencer]

Girl, I'm so sorry that that's something you had to go through, and I'm really proud of you for standing your ground. That is a very hard thing to do stand your ground and also confront somebody after hearing something like that. And I think what you did was very courageous and you are very strong for being able to stand your ground, which not a lot of people can do. A lot of people would have heard that conversation and internalized it, made themselves feel worse, would have never mentioned it. But no, like you know your worth. And that's the other thing. If you hadn't known your worth, I don't think you would've said anything to him. I don't think you would've been so aggravated by the situation. But you know your self worth. And my thing is, if you know your self worth this well, why would you place yourself in a predicament where you have to fear something like this happening again? Like you know your worth. You know you're better than that.

[Morgan]

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[Spencer]

She's a fucking bitch.

[Morgan]

She's a witch.

[Spencer]

Why is she dating? First of all, first of all, I'll let you finish. I'll let you finish because I'm. This is actually like, I want to punch this bitch for you. I want to pull up to your son's house and say, hey, do you know you're dating a raging fucking biatch. That bitch.

[Morgan]

Like it's, it's. We're not even done yet. That deeply hurt. And I wound up ending the call. Not much later I told my husband as I was still crying hours later, even tearing up now just remembering it, and he said I must have misheard her. However, I was able to show him a video as I was recording our grandson for him. Later, I'm wondering if I should tell my son what has been going on and even show him the video.

[Spencer]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Morgan]

That was really good. I don't want to cause any issues or arguments between them, but I'm not sure how much more I can take before I explode in anger. The irony is that daughter in law comes from a blended family as well and has four siblings, all with different fathers. I thought maybe she had a bad experience with one of them and so she doesn't have a good opinion of step parents.

[Spencer]

Well, I think you should give her a great opinion of step parents and give her a great experience with step parents and just show her how it's done. And by show her how it's done, I mean punch her in the jugular. She's a bitch. I would not only get the video, you know what I would do? I would send the video to my son and then I would post it on the Internet and use every popular hashtag I could, hoping it would go viral just so she could feel like shit. I would also call her job. I would call her job and let them know how much of an evil, conniving bitch she is. What do you mean I don't matter?

[Morgan]

She doesn't matter. You don't need to know her name.

[Spencer]

She's nobody.

[Morgan]

I just don't understand why such hatred. This is not like, oh, you dislike her, you're annoyed by her, you know, whatever. Maybe, maybe as a, as a mom she might have overstepped or, you know, been, whatever. Like people get annoyed with their in laws over small things. It happens. But to have such hatred and cruelty for this person, this is insane.

[Spencer]

I again want to beat this bitch up for you. I'm really glad you didn't provide us with an address because I would have been there.

[Morgan]

Spencer, his take today, violence is the only answer.

[Spencer]

Honestly, sometimes, no offense, it is. Sometimes it is because you've been biting your tongue. You've been nice to her, you've been polite to her and being nice and being polite. Look at where it's gotten you. It's gotten you stepped over, it's gotten you stepped on, and it's gotten you treated like shit. And you need to show her who you are.

[Morgan]

What would you do if you were gonna handle this without violence?

[Spencer]

Um, I would cuss that bitch out. I would say, hi. I don't know if you're aware, but no, I didn't give birth to him, but I raised that child as my own. And maybe you've had a horrible experience with your step parents and that's what made you a miserable fucking cunt. What do you mean? You're telling your son as he's talking to his grandmother, that's a nobody. You don't need to remember her name. And you know what's also so heartbreaking? The fact that you won't tell your son because you don't want him to get hurt. And that's how you know you're a good mother.

[Morgan]

Yeah, that's what's really hard. I think it's gone to a point where something needs to be said on your behalf. Something needs to be done. Your husband now knows that this has been going on. You told him what happened at the wedding. I'm sure you've told him about other instances. Your husband should have had a conversation with your son, your son, long, long, long before it escalated to this level. Because here's the thing. If the son is going to be with her, he's going to be with her. He kind of already knows she's a little bit of a witch because at their wedding, said you shouldn't dance with her. Like, he already kind of knows that something's a little screwy in her head, but at the end of the day, she doesn't get to be disrespectful. So if he's gonna be with her, that's fine and dandy, but, like, everyone needs to make sure she's stepping in line and she needs to get with the program. So OP's husband, love of your life for 20 years, needs to have your back. Have a conversation with your son.

[Spencer]

Hey.

[Morgan]

This is what your wife is doing. This is unacceptable. We are not gonna put up with this behavior going forward. This is not how you treat your mother.

[Spencer]

I would make a family group chat and send the video in there. That's what I would do. I'd make a family group chat with everybody that was at the wedding and I would send that video of her being a biatch. And I would say, just so you know, this is who you married. I love you so much. But unfortunately, this is the type of abuse and verbal abuse that I've been experiencing since you walked down the aisle. And I've been biting my tongue for far too long. Tell this bitch to meet up. Like literally tell her to come over. I mean, we can go squabble in the street.

[Morgan]

Yeah. And I. She's clearly okay with posting things on social media because she's been seemingly posting things on social media, kind of jabbing at her. It seemed like op implied that she's talking shit on socials. I've never said anything to him about the comments or, or things that she posts on social media. So she's okay with posting things on social media. So I think if it doesn't work, I would first have a conversation. If the husband can't get anywhere and really set boundaries and she continues this behavior and isn't kind, doesn't have a fucking wake up call, a glow up in attitude, then I would post the video.

[Spencer]

I would post the video.

[Morgan]

Sometimes, sometimes public shame is a good.

[Spencer]

I think a great form of public shame again is meeting her in a parking lot and I trying to stay away from the whole violence thing. Trying not to be violent or physically violent.

[Morgan]

There you go.

[Spencer]

But one can only assume what would happen in that parking lot if it was late at night, empty, and there were no security cameras.

[Morgan]

Top comment on this one. Yes, tell your son and show him the video. But tell him with your husband, he needs to know how cruel your daughter in law is being. Next comment down. Have your husband call his son and ask him to sit down and have a chat, just the two of them. Have him show the video, write down the specific times, and whatever proof you have, hopefully your husband has your back and deals with this.

[Spencer]

Yeah, I don't like how the. How your husband was like, you heard her. Maybe you heard her wrong, you misheard her.

[Morgan]

No, no, I heard her clear as day.

[Spencer]

Why would I make some shit up like that?

[Morgan]

I've been going through this abuse from her for years. Mm. Someone responds. This is the best answer. Dad and son need to have a long conversation about respect and expectations. As in the daughter in law and son can expect no contact if the disrespect continues.

[Spencer]

Clock it.

[Morgan]

And financial support. They've been helping them financially at times.

[Spencer]

Again, like, oh my God, no. So I need to, like, I need a moment. Like the fact that you're. The fact that you're helping them financially, the fact that you're nice to them, the fact that you're nice to her. You are so much better than I am. You are so much better than I am. And I know the only reason you're helping them is because he's your son and you're helping not her, but him and your grandchild, which makes you a great grandparent.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

However, somebody needs to lay down the law. Somebody needs to let this know what is up.

[Morgan]

Yeah. So we do have some comments from opinion. So a lot of people were asking, you know, what's the context? Is there something she could be upset over? So the person goes, what's this unconventional manner? Your son met his spouse, real parent. Meaning you're a step. I'd say nothing and do my best to ignore them. And then they kind of quote what op said, my husband will call right after and the call is picked up. Just your grandpa's wife info. Were you the affair partner? Unconventional as. Not a face to face, but via text. I'm old so maybe that's conventional now. Yes. I am technically a stepmom. Again, no. My husband and I didn't meet each other until years after their divorce and his ex had already remarried. So what's the fucking issue? What's the issue?

[Spencer]

Somebody needs to literally taekwondo roundhouse, kick this bitch in the face.

[Morgan]

Insane. We get an update. We get an update. I don't know what it's gonna say though. I haven't read it. It wasn't here when I found this. First of all, thank you to all who answered. I talked to my husband last night about this and we have decided that he will call our son this weekend to talk to him about what daughter in law has been doing and saying. Our son lives completely across the country from us. Husband said that though he'd rather talk to son face to face, he'll have to do it via phone. My son and I have a very loving relationship and there have been a few instances where daughter in law made snide or petty comments to me in front of him and he always immediately called her out on them and told her that he would not tolerate her speaking to his ma. He calls his bio mother mom and me ma in a disrespectful way. Also, I am not and never have been the affair partner. My husband and his ex wife were divorced for years before we even met. My husband had wanted to address daughter in law's behavior prior to this, but I was the one who requested he not say anything to our son. Daughter in law treats son bio mom, she is not married at this time quite differently than I and his mom has also called daughter in law out for some of the comments she has made to me. So son knows about some prior things said his mom has heard them and even his grandma and sister have heard some of the comments made to me or about me. I have not wanted to say anything as son and daughter in law are already dealing with issues in regards to her own mom overstepping the boundaries my son has set out. According to him, his mother in law is very overbearing, injects herself in the raising of their children and more. I've only met mother in law one time at their wedding. He has a lot on his plate right now and I don't want to add more since I am able to usually just ignore daughter in law's comments. It was the comment daughter in law made to my grandson that hit me hard. I do agree that enough is enough. I love all of my grandchildren and I couldn't bear to have them poisoned against me. If daughter in law would just tell me what the issue is, I'm sure we could either work it out or just find a happy medium of mutual understanding. At the least I'll keep you updated about what my husband says after. So we got another update to look out for Convo doesn't sound like it's happened yet. I mean, Post is only 5 days old. Last comment from OP is 3 days old. I will keep everyone updated as what happens after my husband talks to our son.

[Spencer]

Huh.

[Morgan]

So yeah, see, I like that.

[Spencer]

I like the sound of that. And you know what? I'm glad that your family does stick up for you. Like at least it sounds like it's.

[Morgan]

A very like tight knit unit. Everyone's. Everyone's kosher, everyone's happy.

[Spencer]

And I you know what? I bet she hates it. I bet she hates when they call her out on her bullshit.

[Morgan]

Maybe it's a jealousy thing. I mean I have three siblings. I've got two brothers and a little sister. Me and my little sister share the same bio dad. Me and my brothers share the same mom. But like me and my brothers, because we grew up in the same house, we never looked at each other as anything but siblings. We weren't like, oh, they're my half siblings. Or like, we, it was never anything less like, no, that's my brother.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Period.

[Morgan]

That's it. So maybe her growing up in a house with like four siblings, they all have different fathers, like, maybe that has really just been something really difficult, traumatic for her. And so this is coming from a place of like, oh no, like families aren't meant to work like this. You're. I hate you. I hate you. It's like coming from a weird, jealousy insecure place. Clearly coming from somewhere. I'd like to know where.

[Spencer]

I'd like to curb stomp her. That's what I'd like to do. But you know, we all can't get what we want.

[Morgan]

So you know who else you're going to want to curb stomp?

[Spencer]

Who?

[Morgan]

This next one.

[Spencer]

Jesus.

[Morgan]

Your teen adjective used to describe an individual whose spirit is unyielding, unconstrained. One who navigates life on their own terms, effortlessly. They do not always show up on time, but when they arrive, you notice an individual confident in their contradictions. They know the rules, but behave behave as if they do not exist. The new fragrance by Miu Miu defined by you. Fall's finally here and Nordstrom is your go to for the best of fall fashion and the hottest trends of the season. Discover new arrivals from brands you love, like Reformation, Free People, Mango Addicted, Princess Polly, Madewell, and more. Perfect for refreshing your closet without overthinking your budget. And with free shipping, free returns and easy in store pickup, shopping's never been easier. So go ahead, shop in stores on Nordstrom.com or download the Nordstrom app today. Coming from R Catfree. Two years old. Okay, this whole subreddit is an anti cat sub for people who do not like and do not own cats. And you're. You're a cat guy. You're a cat cat.

[Spencer]

What the hell did cats ever do to you?

[Morgan]

This one is titled My boyfriend threw out our cat and I'm grateful for it.

[Spencer]

Threw out your cat and you're grateful for it, you monster.

[Morgan]

My boyfriend and I had a cat since August of last year and recently he got rid of it and I'm so thankful he did. I've had problems with the cat ever since it was a kitten and I had tried to train it for the entire time I had it before I gave up. My boyfriend is a cat lover so we had decided to get one because he said all of his old cats back in his childhood home were all well behaved and friendly. I thought when we were getting a kitten, it would end up like that too. Since I've never owned a cat and I was gravely wrong, it always yowled at night whenever I was hungry, scratching at the door while I was trying to sleep. I was at my wit's end. I became more cranky and snappy towards my boyfriend because of my lack of sleep and functionality. It strained our relationship. It was awful. And we had fights over the cat because I was breaking down constantly over it. He promised to take it to a shelter, but never kept his word. And the main reason might be silly, but it was this straw that broke the camel's back. It ate the chicken breast my dad had given me when I told him I was feeling depressed. I never really had a relationship with my father until last year and we had gotten closer. The chicken was a sign that he cared about me. So imagine how I felt when I came back from washing my hands just to see that that fucking rocks for brains knocked over the KFC bucket and was eating the chicken.

[Spencer]

Hi, I would like to step in really quick and say some things. 1. Your cat's scratching at your door. Because you're the cat's owner. Your cat wants to be by you. So if you have your cat locked out of your room and you're not allowing your cat to come inside and sleep next to you or lay by you. Yeah. Expect to hear me owing and scratching at the door. They're your cat. You're treating them like they're like you don't own them. You're treating them like they're a roommate. They're not a roommate. They're your animal. They are your pet. Also, that's your fault. You left the KFC on the counter. And if you allow your cat to go on the counter, that is something that you have to train a cat not to do, which I've trained my cats not to do. They get on the counter. You either have have a spray bottle or you or you say get down and then they listen.

[Morgan]

Tin foil too is crazy when they hit the tin foil on the counter.

[Spencer]

And if you're not out here disciplining your cat, if you're not out here letting your cat into your room to sleep next to you. If you're out here treating your cat obviously like, yeah, I'm sure your cat knocked it over and ate the chicken that was in the KFC bucket. Boohoo. Go get another KFC bucket.

[Morgan]

Your dad still loves you and got you KFC doesn't change the sentiment.

[Spencer]

Like, hello, like, are we you have to be out of your mind.

[Morgan]

So the post goes on to say I couldn't ever think about caring for the little rat anymore.

[Spencer]

You're a rat.

[Morgan]

I knew it was bad when I seriously considered killing the cat.

[Spencer]

You are you. You're Patrick Beeman, bitch like you. You are Ted Bundy. And you need to go somewhere. You need to go somewhere. And by somewhere, I mean a mental facility. You need to get checked in, get put in a padded room and get put yourself in a straightjacket. That's what needs to happen to you. You want to kill an animal, you sick freak.

[Morgan]

I just imagined it would die horribly or get snatched up by a native bird of prey. So it could at least be useful for once. I had to talk to my therapist about it to work everything out since I wasn't in a good mental space state because of that thing. So after I broke down for the final time, I made my boyfriend choose me or the cat. And he made the right choice.

[Spencer]

He didn't really choose you over the cat. He just knew that he could only have sex with one of them and it was you. So there you go. Hope you feel great about yourself. He wanted one pussy.

[Morgan]

Top comment. If it's got claws, it can survive outside. That's way too long to have to deal with that. He's got really dark side.

[Spencer]

You guys are sick and twisted. I love cats. Cats are so nice. Cats do their own thing. Cats mind their business. If they want to be by you, they'll come up to you. Unless they. Unless they don't want to come up to you. Then they'll just go away. You just have to feed them, have a kitty litter box out. And they are chilling. And yeah, they'll occasionally do something bad like scratch your carpet or jump on a counter. But that's when you say no, no bad. Get down from there now. And they listen. You referring to your cat as a thing. It saying you want to to kill your cat. You need help. You need help. That is wild. And I'm sorry for objectifying you, babe. I'm sorry I said that he only wants. He only chose you because you have the pussy that he wants. But realistically it's true. It's true that man is staying with you and got rid of the cat because it was either lose the pussy cat or lose the pussy. And we all know, come on babe.

[Morgan]

I mean this person like genuinely is just kind of seemingly miserable. They are very active on r dog free People need to keep their fucking dogs on a leash. Which I'LL give you that on the title. I'm not getting into the post, but this one. Cat owners smell nasty. There's too many cat owners who stink and reek of cat piss and litter. And then there's a post about dogs. Dog owners don't care about disabled people. Why the hell do dog owners think their mutts are the best thing to ever exist? So it's allowed to go to no pet allowed areas is. It's clearly not a service dog, which. Okay, like, don't. Yeah, people shouldn't abuse service dogs and stuff. Apparently they got jumped on by a dog at Home Depot. They've got a lot of posts on R slash pet free. R slash anti cats. R slash dog free. They're kind of just seemingly a bit of a miserable person.

[Spencer]

You should be on R slash. I hate my life. R slash. I'm a R slash. I think about killing cats because I'm a psychopath and need to be institutionalized.

[Morgan]

There's a post titled why cats actually suck. Like, and they list out six bullet points about why cats are. Are trash. Wait, why they in a box?

[Spencer]

So it's called a kitty litter box, you dumb freak. And yeah, they in a box. You in a toilet. Where are they supposed to go? In your bed?

[Morgan]

Be grateful their piss smells horrible.

[Spencer]

That's why you get good kitty litter, you dumbass. And maybe if you had enough kitty litter boxes, it wouldn't piss anywhere. Maybe if you actually potty chained your cat, it would pee in the right spot. It's not the cat's fault that you're a owner. Next.

[Morgan]

There's another post here. I hate when pet owners feed their pets human food. It's like literally, okay. Then you never end.

[Spencer]

Then you. Then you open up some Frisky's wet cat food and you eat it straight from the. You eat it straight from the can.

[Morgan]

I think someone commented to op, I hope you never have children.

[Spencer]

Yep.

[Morgan]

And OP Responded, gonna be child free. Actually, if I ever have kids, I'd adopt a teenager. If you can't handle a cat, you cannot handle a teenager. I'll tell you that right now.

[Spencer]

No, no.

[Morgan]

I was a. I was a terror.

[Spencer]

I was a bitch. I was a bitch when I was a teenager. You can ask my mom. Love her to pieces. Love my mom. We've gotten through it, as most people do. You go through your teen years and then you look back on them and you're like, holy shit, I was a menace and I was evil.

[Morgan]

A lot of people were concerned about what the boyfriend did with the cat op goes. Don't know what my boyfriend did with it. He probably put up a post for it somewhere and gave it away.

[Spencer]

He should give you away.

[Morgan]

I would agree with that. This is our last one.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Morgan]

It is a bit of a palate cleanser. I feel like we need it after all the ghosts, goblins, witches. We had a lot of witches today. Yeah, like. Oh, that's got a ring to it.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Witches and bitches.

[Spencer]

Thank you.

[Morgan]

So this is a bit of a palate cleanser for us. This is coming from R Confession, titled Everyone thinks I caught our Office Lunch thief. I didn't. I started packing them a meal on purpose. Aw. We've had a lunch thief at work for months. Stuff disappears from the break room fridge between 12:15 and 12:30. Like clockwork. @ first, I was furious. My glass container kept coming back, greasy or not at all. One day I got in early and saw someone I don't know well, new temp, standing with the fridge open, just staring. He closed it and walked out with nothing. He looked wrecked, like he'd been crying in his car. That image would not leave my head. The next week, I started bringing two lunches. One in my usual container and a second in a cheap grocery store plastic box with a sticky note that just said for whoever forgot. I put it in the back left corner, where the thief always strikes. The theft stopped being random and started being predictable. The container is always returned rinsed. Sometimes there's a folded paper towel under the box like he's trying to be neat. Last Friday, there was a single peppermint left on top. Dumb little detail, but it got me. Coworkers think I set up cameras or confronted someone because my real lunch stopped going missing. I didn't. I just redirected the problem. It's not heroic, it's probably enabling, but I can afford rice and chicken more than someone can afford being hungry at work. I'm not asking for a medal. I'm confessing that I was angrier than I want to admit. And now I'm weirdly protective of a stranger who eats at 12:20. If management installs cameras, I won't stop them. Until then, I'll keep packing too. Oh, there's hope in humanity.

[Spencer]

That's so sweet. You're such a good person for that.

[Morgan]

I literally, the first time I read this, I was full blown sobbing. You guys like sobbing, Especially the little peppermint.

[Spencer]

I think what's really adorable is the fact that you're. You're making him like a meal. Like Rice and chicken. Like, it's not like you're giving him, like, ham and cheese sandwich or, I mean, for granted, if you did give him one, that's still great. But, like, the fact that you're going above and beyond and you're like, I got him chicken and rice. And the sound of the. That actually sounds really good.

[Morgan]

And I'm so hungry.

[Spencer]

I'm sure when he opens up the fridge and he sees what you make.

[Morgan]

Him, he's like, like, just so appreciative and, like, clearly struggling. Whether they can't afford the extra meal or, you know, they're going through something, depression even, and they can't make a meal, they can't meal prep, and then they can't afford to buy takeout. And, like, you just taking that off their plate and, like, showing how kind you are and, like, you do deserve a little bit of a medal. Like, you are so kind and see them. Like, you see them. You see they were innate and struggling and, like, that is so amazing.

[Spencer]

And not a lot of people would do that, by the way. No, not a lot of people would be like, oh, someone's stealing lunch. Let's make them food so they don't have to steal.

[Morgan]

I mean, a lot of stories on Reddit are lunch thief stories. And the person puts, like, hot sauce in it or, like, a super spicy thing to fuck up the person. So there's a bunch of stories like that. This. This person clearly saw that person wrecked, crying, and thought, I'm gonna deal with this in a better way.

[Spencer]

Yeah, you need. You need this more than I do.

[Morgan]

Top comment. The peppermint detail actually made me tear up a little. You didn't just stop the theft. You gave someone dignity when they clearly needed it most. That's so human of you. Next comment down. Man, I'm full on sobbing.

[Spencer]

Was it you?

[Morgan]

I didn't. No, I didn't say that, but I was just bawling in the car. I'm like, driving to Costco with Justin driving, and I'm like, just.

[Spencer]

The pepper man.

[Morgan]

It was.

[Spencer]

It was totally like, girl, what are you on about?

[Morgan]

It was Shark Week around Shark Week. I'm, like, emotionally volatile.

[Spencer]

What's Shark Week?

[Morgan]

When I get my period.

[Spencer]

Oh.

[Morgan]

I like, feel like some days I have, like, that other thing where you, like, get, like, really, like, crabby and emotional and it's like a whole nother thing.

[Spencer]

Pms?

[Morgan]

No, it's like pmdd.

[Spencer]

What's that?

[Morgan]

PMDD is a more severe form of premenstrual syndrome. And you just like, it's all the.

[Spencer]

Like, heightened emotions, like, times a thousand.

[Morgan]

Extreme sadness, hopelessness, irritability, or anger. I'm like, okay, all of those. I like, just. I'm so insane when I'm getting my period. One last comment I'll read from someone. Build a longer table, not a higher fence.

[Spencer]

That's beautiful. Mm.

[Morgan]

It's really. I feel like I needed that. I feel like we all needed that. The world has just felt like. I just, like, it's so heavy. It's so insane right now, and there's so much crazy rhetoric out there, and it's just like we. We all need to come together. Like, we really all need to come together and get a grip and just, like, make this world a better place, because what is going on right now is. Is not okay.

[Spencer]

I think the main issue here is we live in a time where people profit off of all of us being divisive. And the reason is if you have someone on the left and the right and they're too busy arguing, it leaves not enough room for the people in the middle to stand up and rise up. And I think that that's really been a big power grab that the current administration we have has been using. It's just this horrible, divisive language pinning, like, the left and right against each other. And I think we've all kind of forgotten, like, no, we're American. Like, everybody, like you, we're American, and we shouldn't be allowing the dickwads in our government to be doing what they're doing right now.

[Morgan]

And we need to come together.

[Spencer]

Unfortunately, there are some extremists who don't want to hear that, and they're just up Trump's ass, and they're just brown nosing. And that's okay. If you would rather see your vice president go on eight vacations while you struggle to pick, pay rent and buy food, good for you. But I, on the other hand, think that people should be able to afford rent, afford food, there should be universal health care. I don't know, y', all, but that was really. That was a good palate cleanser. I feel a lot less violent. I. I really. I was so glad I was feeling really, really, really violent before, especially with that. Who was talking about grandma?

[Morgan]

But, dude, she was so evil. We had some evil ones today.

[Spencer]

Yeah, we did.

[Morgan]

We really did. But that's all I got for you guys. We do have another spooky episode coming the last week of October, so if you have a personal spooky story you want to share, Head over to the link the Google form, submit your story. Be sure to include a real email address if you have picture evidence, because I'll send you an email to get that from you. I love getting stories with, like, photos or videos because it just freaks me out even more.

[Spencer]

I love those too, but it should.

[Morgan]

Be a good month. I'm after this recording. I'm like, checking out until October 14th, so be nice in the comments because I'm supposed to be on my honeymoon. The first vacation I've taken unplugged in four years. I know.

[Spencer]

Oh, it's gonna be so amazing.

[Morgan]

I'm really excited.

[Spencer]

I'm excited for you.

[Morgan]

I'm really excited. But thank you all so, so, so much for being here and supporting the show. I wouldn't be able to take that honeymoon without you guys. So I really appreciate you. And if you need a little bit extra stuff this month, extra content, three bonus episodes on Patreon. Head over there. Where can people find you, though?

[Spencer]

Spencer, you can find me everywhere at Spence Swa. That's S P E N C E W U A H. If you want to add me on Snapchat, you can do that too. My Snapchat is Spence Moi because some bitch stole my actual username. So it's S P E N C E M W A h. You still.

[Morgan]

Haven'T been able to get it?

[Spencer]

No.

[Morgan]

Oh, they're still out there.

[Spencer]

Yeah, they're still out there. But it's okay. It's okay. It kind of. It is what it is. But, yeah, you can catch me there. You can catch me on your TV screen soon, hopefully.

[Morgan]

Ooh.

[Spencer]

I can't give too much away.

[Morgan]

Let's go.

[Spencer]

And yeah. Thank you for having me again. I Literally anytime. I love being here. I love talking shit. I love having you.

[Morgan]

I love having you. You and your fiery little Takes a little violent today.

[Spencer]

I can't help it. Today was violent, but it was deserved. It was deserved.

[Morgan]

We had some true gremlins. But thank you guys and until next time.

[Spencer]

Love you. Bye.

[Morgan]

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