257: Odd Layers.. Ft. The Basement Yard

Summary

Two Hot Takes – Episode 257: “Odd Layers... Ft. The Basement Yard”

Release Date: February 26, 2026
Host: Morgan Absher
Guests: Joe & Frank (The Basement Yard)

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Episode Overview

This lively, sometimes wild episode of Two Hot Takes sees host Morgan Absher joined by Joe and Frank from The Basement Yard—the internet’s favorite duo for irreverent, rapid-fire takes. The trio scavenge internet relationship stories, Reddit dramas, and listener write-ins, dishing out hilarious yet thought-provoking commentary on issues like boundaries in relationships, weaponized incompetence, trust, and more. True to their brands, the group balances genuine advice with comedic banter, tangential deep dives, and a healthy dose of chaos.

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Key Topics & Story Breakdowns

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1. Conspiracy Theories & Tangents: Pineapples, Cruises, and the Titanic

Timestamp: 01:30–05:00

• The group riffs on pineapples as a symbol for swingers and how social codes surface in unexpected spaces (like cruise ships and grocery stores).
• Morgan brings up Titanic conspiracy theories (the Olympia switch, insurance fraud) and the suspicious timing of the Federal Reserve’s founding.
• Spirited debate about America’s “evil from the jump” history, living forever, and existential dread—injecting humor into heavy topics.
• Quote (Frank, 04:09):
  “We were founded on evil.”
• Quote (Morgan, 04:51):
  "Do you wish you could live forever? These existential questions always freak me out, because then on my drive home, I'm going to think about it, and it's going to ruin the rest of the day."

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2. AITA/Reddit Relationship Stories

a) Cat Litter Sponge Catastrophe

Timestamp: 11:14–25:00

• Scenario: A woman finds out her boyfriend uses their kitchen dish sponge to clean the cat’s dirty litter box—scrubbing everything (including fancy bakeware) with the "Scrub Daddy" afterwards.

• Discussion:

  • Joe and Frank are appalled; Joe jokes about cat pee as a possible "secret health ingredient," while Morgan brings up toxoplasmosis risks.
  • The debate veers to dog/cat owner hygiene wars, then nabs the idea of weaponized incompetence: did the boyfriend do it wrong so he’d never be asked again?
  • On disgust tolerance, Frank reveals he once threw away a whole dishwasher-load of moldy dishes—Morgan and Joe are mortified.

• Quote (Frank, 14:39):
  “How is this where your mind goes? … Maybe the cat piss is, like, a secret ingredient.”

• Quote (Morgan, 25:00):
  "This, ladies and gentlemen, is called weaponized incompetence."

• Memorable Moment: Morgan and guests explain weaponized incompetence for the uninitiated—with petty revenge highlighted.

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b) The Explanted Implant and Jealous Boyfriend

Timestamp: 30:58–42:40

• Scenario: Woman lets her cousin handle her removed, ruptured breast implant; boyfriend (watching via home security cam) accuses her of being sexual and says "white people f*** their cousins."
• Discussion:
  • Everyone agrees boyfriend’s reaction is super controlling and odd; security camera monitoring is especially creepy.
  • They break down cultural stereotypes, discuss context (cousin vs. stranger, in-body vs. out), and debate if an implant is like a pacemaker or a dildo (clearly not).
• Quote (Joe, 32:10):
  "Only white cousins would be like, where are your old tits?"
• Quote (Frank, 40:52):
  "Yeah, I think this guy’s super controlling… the anger and just, like, letting it linger like that just feels strange. Very strange."

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c) Delusional Sister-in-Law at the Wedding

Timestamp: 42:52–57:28

• Scenario: A woman doesn’t want her fiancé’s brother at their wedding. She went on one date with said brother 8 years ago and claims he flirts with her (comments on her dress, food recommendations, affection to others is “to make her jealous”).
• Discussion:
  • Laughed off by all as delusional (“narcissist feels probe here”). The group points out that basic kindness isn’t flirting and she’s likely projecting.
• Quote (Frank, 46:20):
  “Asshole isn’t the word. Narcissist feels probe here. He's really flirting with me. He said I look good…”
• Quote (Frank, 56:39):
  "You're the asshole and delusional."

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d) Sex Tape Shown to Wife’s Friends

Timestamp: 57:32–67:47

• Scenario: Man discovers wife played their private sex tapes for her friends during a girls’ night—in the house while he’s in the basement, then they holler at him.
• Discussion:
  • All three are deeply disturbed—stressing the violation of consent, ruined trust, and how gender swap would clarify its inappropriateness.
  • Attempts to “make it up” with sex are called out as dismissive of emotional hurt.
• Quote (Joe, 64:36):
  “You’re not valuing the emotional damage you did. You think the physicality of our relationship will fix that? That’s a level of disrespect.”
• Quote (Frank, 65:08):
  "You can't f*** your way out of this one, lady. Sorry."

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e) Controlling Homicide Detective Fiancé

Timestamp: 71:24–103:55

• Scenario: A woman discovers her fiancé—a homicide detective—secretly records all their fights (and saves the files), routinely runs background checks on her friends, and expresses controlling views about tracking and surveilling future children. Says he “trusts her as much as anyone.”
• Discussion:
  • The group discusses paranoia vs. narcissism, power imbalances, eroding autonomy, and subtle forms of control/abuse.
  • Morgan and Frank emphasize that control can manifest in sneaky ways—via tech, “safety,” or parental authority.
  • A major theme emerges: if you feel like you’re always winning approval, you’re not in a relationship—you're being managed.
• Quote (Frank, 78:42):
  “You’re trying to take away my autonomy. And before the kids are born, you’re like, we’re gonna put trackers on them. Decisions you make as a unit together.”
• Quote (Joe, 99:29):
  “They clearly have a warped mentality of what masculinity is. … A man should always take care of himself first? What does that mean?”

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f) Lighthearted Closer: 20 “Where’s the Beef?” Shirts

Timestamp: 105:06–End

• Scenario: Woman discovers her new boyfriend has 20 of the same “Where’s the Beef?” T-shirt and wears nothing else.
• Discussion:
  • Giddy speculation on why, musings about loyalty, and prank ideas.
  • They receive actual “Where’s the Beef?” shirts as a gift—leading to more jokes and playfully questioning if it’s a "quirk, kink, or college thing."
• Quote (Joe, 110:44):
  “If nothing else, this shows that this person is committed, they are loyal. Where that loyalty is… maybe today it’s placed in Where’s the Beef? T-shirts, maybe tomorrow it’s placed in the relationship. And how beautiful…”
• Quote (Frank, 111:12):
  “Do you want to take that T-shirt off? Rip it off?”

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Themes, Insights & Notable Quotes

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Recurring Themes

• Boundaries & Consent: Across stories (the sponge, sex tape, detective boyfriend), respecting partners' boundaries is a key motif.
• Weaponized Incompetence: Doing a terrible job on purpose to get out of chores (cat litter boyfriend, laundry).
• Control in Relationships: Ranges from overt (detective recording everything) to subtle (implants, “friends”).
• Gaslighting & Delusion: Some storytellers invent alternate realities (wedding story sister-in-law).
• Humor as a Coping Mechanism: The guests never miss a beat to make even the darkest stories funny—without minimizing the harm.

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More Memorable Quotes

• Morgan (21:00): “For a Snickers or like a baguette. Like, something good.”
• Joe (32:43): "Only white cousins would be like, where are your old tits?"
• Frank (65:03): “You can’t f*** your way out of this one, lady. Sorry.”
• Joe (103:13): "It's with great power must also come great responsibility. Uncle Ben. Spider Man."
• Frank (98:53): “Life’s not a lawsuit. It isn’t black and white. No, it is emotional.”

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Notable Moments with Timestamps

• [05:27] — Frank: “I’d be really sad once none of my friends are around… bro, just — yeah, no, it's my time.”
• [11:20] — Joe: “I don’t like bodily functions put on display. I think they're atrocious.”
• [20:10] — Frank admits throwing out entire dishwasher load after mold incident.
• [32:14] — Joe and Frank riff on British stereotypes (“throw me under the double deckle bus”).
• [65:08] — Frank: “You can’t f*** your way out of this one, lady. Sorry.”
• [78:42] — Frank: “You’re trying to take away my autonomy.”
• [110:44] — Joe poetic about “Where’s the Beef?” shirts and loyalty.

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Episode Structure & Vibe

Language/Tone:
Playful, quick-witted, deeply conversational—often self-deprecating, always honest. Joe and Frank’s rapport with Morgan is immediate, switching between bits and serious insight at a dizzying pace.

Useful For:

• Anyone wondering what healthy (or unhealthy) relationship boundaries look like
• Listeners who love goofy, deeply tangential banter
• People navigating weaponized incompetence, trust concerns, or “is this normal?” moments

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Final Thoughts & Where to Find The Guests

• Frank and Joe plug The Basement Yard (YouTube, Spotify), known for similar "odd layers" of honesty and humor.
• Morgan thanks them for "layer-peeling backup"; all social/links in episode description.

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Listen for:
Layered advice, wild tangents, snippets of therapy wisdom, and genuine moments of vulnerability beneath the laughter.

Skip to:

• [11:14] Cat sponge disaster
• [30:58] “Boobgate” implant story
• [57:32] Sex tape privacy violation
• [71:24] Detective fiancé deep dive
• [105:06] “Where’s the Beef?” shirt finale

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Summary by Two Hot Takes AI
(But definitely not as funny as the real thing.)

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Frank]

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[Morgan]

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[Frank]

I don't know the intro.

[Joe]

Crazy. We know it, obviously.

[Frank]

Frank, you do it. Hit it.

[Joe]

I mean, why don't we do it together?

[Morgan]

You'll listen and you'll get there eventually. We will, yeah. That's fine. Are you guys ready for today?

[Frank]

I'm very ready. Yeah.

[Morgan]

I'm so excited to have you guys. People that are watching are already probably screaming in their cars, their house, wherever they are because they've been begging for you guys.

[Joe]

Have they?

[Frank]

Wow.

[Morgan]

Hands and knees, whatever.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

First of all, take it easy.

[Joe]

Second of all, whatever the response is is not enough. So I hope that they just ramp

[Frank]

it up a little bit.

[Morgan]

Hands and knees wasn't enough.

[Frank]

Hands and knees. What else do you want them to do?

[Joe]

They'll throw offerings at our feet. Maybe, you know.

[Morgan]

Offerings?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

What would be your ideal offering?

[Joe]

That's a great question, man. I mean, I don't hate tropical fruit.

[Frank]

I knew it would come in the form of food.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Yes.

[Frank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Tropical fruit would be great.

[Morgan]

Pineapple is supposed to be a really nice gift.

[Joe]

I don't care about that. Is that.

[Frank]

Isn't that something with swingers?

[Joe]

That's swingers. It is. It is. Don't lie.

[Frank]

Or is that upside down pineapples?

[Morgan]

I don't know. Upside down pineapple in your cart at the grocery store indicates swinging. Well, at grocery store.

[Joe]

I heard on like I'm talking loud. I don't know why I'm so passionate about swinging. I am not, apparently on like cruise ships. Like cruise ships and like, cruises. If you put like a pineapple on your door, it means like, come on in.

[Frank]

You know what I mean?

[Morgan]

Welcome. Yeah.

[Frank]

And that goes tenfold.

[Morgan]

So people bring their own pineapple decorations on the cruise.

[Frank]

Wouldn't shock me. Yeah. I've never been on a cruise, so I don't.

[Morgan]

I haven't either.

[Joe]

No. I kind of refuse.

[Morgan]

I've seen the Norovirus.

[Joe]

Oh, that one, too.

[Morgan]

I watched the Titanic on my flight yesterday.

[Frank]

Nice.

[Morgan]

It's a great movie.

[Frank]

It holds up.

[Morgan]

It actually is really good.

[Frank]

I went to the Titanic museum.

[Joe]

That's right, you did.

[Frank]

Where it was built in Belfast. Yeah.

[Morgan]

Are you into the conspiracy theories, though, that the Titanic didn't sink? It was actually its sister ship, the Olympia. Have you gotten into that?

[Frank]

What would be the point of the. You know. I'm sure there is a point.

[Morgan]

Insurance fraud.

[Joe]

Oh, okay.

[Frank]

That's actually.

[Joe]

That's a great point that I didn't think of.

[Frank]

No, I think it went down. I mean, all the. All the. Like, there was, like, famous people on that ship who died.

[Morgan]

Well, that's another conspiracy theory.

[Joe]

That it was the Olympia, they thought it was the Titanic.

[Frank]

Oh, I mean, does it matter? Yeah.

[Joe]

Why would they bamboozle people in the 1910s?

[Morgan]

Insurance money.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And then the banking thing, like, that's when the Federal Reserve was founded right after that. And the three people that opposed it, the big other banky people that opposed it died on the ship.

[Joe]

So it's.

[Frank]

Ooh, I like this.

[Morgan]

And the last one, the fourth guy that was supposed to be on it, canceled right before. He didn't go.

[Joe]

So it's sounds like you're into the conspiracy theory and you want us to kind of be in it.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I just like the conspiracy.

[Frank]

I like it.

[Joe]

You're there, you're right on conspiracy.

[Frank]

You involve a bank. And I just believe it, to be honest with you, because if it's the banks involved, then, yeah, we probably sunk that thing.

[Joe]

I mean, I don't know about us. It was probably like the British or someone.

[Frank]

I don't know.

[Joe]

We weren't like the US wasn't evil yet. Actually, they had some evil stuff going on. Frank.

[Frank]

We were founded on evil.

[Morgan]

I was going to say, I feel like we've been evil since the jump.

[Frank]

Yes, it's been. Yeah, it's been an evil old time.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

You know, it's a hot start.

[Morgan]

I know. 250 years this year and I'm like, it's not looking too hot.

[Joe]

Wow, we're getting into that conversation.

[Morgan]

No, no. This is supposed to be fun.

[Joe]

Are you sure?

[Frank]

250 years.

[Morgan]

Crazy.

[Frank]

It feels young.

[Joe]

I mean, not by Hollywood standards.

[Morgan]

Yeah, okay.

[Frank]

Okay.

[Morgan]

I. Do you wish you could live forever?

[Joe]

No, no, no, we're not. No. Do you wish you could live forever? These existential questions always freak me out, because then on my drive home, I'm going to think about it, and it's going to ruin the rest of the day.

[Frank]

I don't know if I would want to live forever, but I would live to, like, 120.

[Morgan]

I would take, like, 150, 175, something like that.

[Frank]

Like, that's a lot.

[Joe]

Guys. I think that.

[Frank]

Yeah, but I think that, like, I would be really sad once you're, like, none of my friends or whatever around. And I could probably do, like, 20 years of that, but then I'd be like, bro, bro, just.

[Morgan]

Yeah, no, it's my time.

[Joe]

Yeah. No, that's why.

[Frank]

120, like, max.

[Joe]

Give me. Give me like a. An okay, 75. And then the back 10 is just miserable. I'm very content with that.

[Morgan]

That's so bleak.

[Joe]

It is. I mean, that's also so realistic. A decade of misery.

[Morgan]

You're halfway there right now.

[Joe]

First of all, why do you have to put it like that? That's crazy.

[Frank]

The drive home is going to be insane.

[Morgan]

I'm so sorry.

[Frank]

It's going to be silent. It's not your fault. It's technically 100% my fault.

[Morgan]

You don't know. The last 10 years are going to be the best. You and your wife, you're going to be in a nice little assisted living place together. The most sex is in assisted living homes and nursing homes. STD rates there climb. They don't use protection at all. I mean, is there a pregnant? Apparently. Allegedly.

[Frank]

But if I'm 80, what do I care?

[Morgan]

You'll. You'll bring your little pineapple decor to the nursing home.

[Joe]

You think I'm swinging at 80, bro?

[Frank]

Why not? If I'm 80 and, like, hurt.

[Joe]

You know me, I get. I get set in my ways. You think by 80, I'm gonna be like, let's just switch this up?

[Frank]

I mean.

[Joe]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Frank]

Maybe you could be a completely.

[Morgan]

You never know.

[Joe]

I'll be. I. My plan is at 80, to just be, like, wheeled around. Slightly problematic with my opinions, you know, because at that point, things will. Societal norms will change to the point where I have to be like, well, back in my day.

[Frank]

Right.

[Joe]

That's the natural progression of. Of you Know of life. Yeah. So I'm hoping. And then, you know, I've eaten too much lunchables to really have a good, like, gastrointestinal thing going on. Can I. Can I drop a hard lunch?

[Frank]

Yeah, a hard launch.

[Joe]

Is Spotify going to have to pay for that?

[Morgan]

Can we drop a hard launch now? I'm very concerned about your colon health.

[Joe]

You and me both.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

We should talk about colonoscopies after this.

[Joe]

We don't need to.

[Morgan]

Colon Cancer Awareness Month is coming.

[Joe]

I mean, listen, I am aware of my colon, and I think I'm doing okay.

[Morgan]

Oh, yeah, you're okay.

[Joe]

I didn't expect to talk about my colon today. Scoped, Scoped, scoped.

[Morgan]

You've been scoped?

[Joe]

I have received some scoping. Some scoping.

[Morgan]

Okay. So you're on a good track.

[Joe]

They're keeping an eye out on things. You know, it's like the landlord that checks in every now and then, opens the doors, like everything.

[Morgan]

All right, what's up? You're on it. Okay, we're circling back on email.

[Joe]

Someone here needs to start.

[Frank]

Yeah, I gotta get a scope this year.

[Morgan]

It's time. Yeah, it's time.

[Joe]

He said he's only gonna do it if they use, like, the old timey, like, fire blower thing. If they put it in there and then they use that. You know what I'm talking about.

[Frank]

Do they.

[Morgan]

Did they flamethrower?

[Joe]

No, no. You know, like the one in the old cartoons where it has, like.

[Frank]

You would fan a flame.

[Joe]

Yeah. Like.

[Morgan]

Yeah. What is that? It's like, for fires. It is a fire. Fire.

[Joe]

It's like a floof.

[Morgan]

No.

[Joe]

What's that called?

[Morgan]

It's like a bagpipe almost, but for fire.

[Frank]

It's like a. I don't know what it is.

[Joe]

Here's the thing. You don't need to look it up. We can just call it something and say that's the name of it.

[Frank]

Frank's insinuating that I'm going to put that into myself and blow up my colon.

[Joe]

I don't think you're gonna blow it into yourself, but someone will be behind you.

[Morgan]

Someone will be doing it. I cannot. I don't even know what you Google to find this. It's not coming up.

[Joe]

Google. We're very good.

[Frank]

It's a flame fan.

[Joe]

Fire. Fire pump. Old timey.

[Frank]

Don't type in what he's saying.

[Morgan]

I feel like it's gonna work, though.

[Joe]

Old timey fire pump. Why are you saying old timey fire pump?

[Frank]

It's not a pump.

[Morgan]

It's not criminal.

[Joe]

It's a pump fire full time.

[Frank]

It's like an. It's like a flame fan.

[Morgan]

Yeah. And it's like an accordion. Accordion. Yeah.

[Joe]

She had a bagpipe.

[Morgan]

It's similar vibes, though.

[Joe]

Like, it is technically.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Okay. Okay, cool.

[Joe]

What a start.

[Morgan]

I know. I don't know. I don't know where we're at right now. I didn't take any Adderall. I haven't taken Adderall in years. I was gonna take some today to, like, try to be more on top of things, and then my tooth broke yesterday. And my life has just been, like, crazy since. And I don't know where we're at, but I should actually introduce you guys. Cause I'm horrible at doing that. And I want to make sure we do justice and we do it right. Hi, guys. I'm Morgan. Welcome to another episode of two Hot Takes. Today I've got the basement yard guys. Joe and Frank.

[Frank]

Hello. Thank you for having me so much.

[Joe]

That's what I was. Pause for applause.

[Frank]

I'm really into the blankets.

[Joe]

It's very cozy.

[Frank]

And I wore my cozy sweater, too, so I'm extra cozy.

[Morgan]

You're right.

[Joe]

We didn't talk about making sure we

[Morgan]

wore the same colors, but you coordinated very well.

[Joe]

We. We. It was completely accidental, which just.

[Frank]

If I had my feet up. I'm falling asleep.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

We have a box for you if you like one.

[Joe]

I'm doing my best don't put me down FDR impression right now.

[Frank]

Yeah. You look great. I can see you in the camera.

[Joe]

Do I? Yeah.

[Frank]

Oh, wow.

[Joe]

I got my belt.

[Frank]

Can I say something?

[Joe]

No.

[Frank]

Your knees look huge.

[Joe]

Please don't talk. I think it's the pattern.

[Frank]

It's the pattern. It's the pattern because look, it's the pattern.

[Joe]

Look at how big that knee looks. It's an optimal same knee. It's an optical illusion.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Joe]

No. Like, I could do this.

[Frank]

Yeah. Dude, it looks like you're wearing knee pads.

[Morgan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Joe]

Thanks for having us.

[Morgan]

I'm so excited to have you guys. Let's dive in.

[Frank]

Sure.

[Morgan]

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[Joe]

See, why do we got. Why do we. Why is that. Like, why do they know that? Why is that where we're starting?

[Morgan]

Because they listen to you.

[Frank]

He doesn't like burping farts. Don't.

[Joe]

I don't like bodily functions put on display. I think that they're atrocious.

[Morgan]

How do you feel about cats?

[Joe]

Love cats.

[Morgan]

Okay, this will be an interesting juxtaposition.

[Frank]

Pooping cats. Oh, God.

[Joe]

I mean, like, animal poop, whatever. Like, they don't know what they're talking about. They're idiots animals. So, like, I. I kind of accept animal poop. But like, humans that should know better about talking about their own fecal matter, bodily functions, they suck.

[Morgan]

This first one is coming from True off my chest. It is four days old, titled, I just found out my boyfriend uses our dish sponge to wash the cat's dirty litter box. I'm going to throw up already.

[Frank]

No, like, that's against the rules. 1. Hold on. There should be a. Can I also say that if you do have an animal and there's things that you need to clean in your house, there should be a separate brush that we are all aware of so that we can clean those things.

[Joe]

But my question is it does.

[Frank]

It does.

[Joe]

If you're cleaning, the soap should kill whatever the bacteria is.

[Frank]

Don't start with the. So then why would you use one toothbrush for everyone in your house?

[Joe]

I mean, maybe I wouldn't mind. You're disgusting. Why? It's my wife and my children.

[Frank]

No, dude, there are just some lines you don't cross.

[Joe]

I mean, but, like, toothbrush is different because, like, you're not, like, sanitizing your toothbrush.

[Morgan]

Oh, my God. Let's give you a little more details. Cause this is disgusting. I'm, like, nauseous now. I regret this choice. So I asked my boyfriend to clean the cat's litter tray today. And I watched and kind of helped him with it. When he was in the kitchen, I saw him washing something. I asked him if he was doing the dishes, only for him to tell me, no, I'm washing the sponge so there's no litter in it. We use that sponge for dishes. Our glasses, my fancy baking equipment. It's a dish sponge. I was in disbelief. So I asked, you mean the scrub daddy, the dish sponge? He confirmed, yeah, our scrub daddy. I instantly told him not to do that. And he asked me, why not? I Told him because he was just cleaning cat pee with it. He told me, but I'm washing the litter out. What else am I meant to be washing it with? I don't know. A hand towel, a cloth, a kitchen roll. I told him, a cloth, and he said, the ones we own can't really be washed. I told him, I'm buying us a new sponge, and I threw the old one away. He seemed very defensive and is out and away with his mates for a drink. I'm now sitting at home feeling so sick to my stomach, I can feel bile in my throat. He's washed the cat's litter tray twice before this. This means it won't have been the first time he's used our dish sponge to clean a dirty litter box. Our dishes have been washed with a cat pee scrub daddy on multiple occasions prior to my knowledge, and I've been none the wiser. I cook, he does the dishes. You really can't trust anybody else's food, even in your own home, apparently.

[Frank]

Oh, my God. I mean, I'm not into this at all.

[Joe]

There's so much that we can take away from this. First of all, are you okay with that? I think we need to. The person that submitted this, we need to check their vitals, their. Their health, because what if this is just a shining example of someone that is, like, in the best health of their life, best shape of their life.

[Frank]

How is this where your mind goes.

[Joe]

And then maybe it has to do with the fact, like, there is a clear link and difference between what this person is doing and other people. Maybe the cat piss is, like a secret ingredient.

[Frank]

So you're okay with this?

[Joe]

Okay, is a stretch.

[Morgan]

What about toxoplasmosis?

[Joe]

See, but I don't know what that is, so it doesn't exist.

[Frank]

What's toxoplasmosis?

[Morgan]

It's this, like, bacteria that cats can often harbor. And it's really bad. It's an infective parasite.

[Joe]

Oh.

[Morgan]

You can get it from eating undercooked meat as well.

[Frank]

It did sound like a really delicious.

[Joe]

I was gonna say brunch drink. That doesn't sound like something I. That's a cool sounding thing to have.

[Frank]

Yeah. Proximosis. Mimosa.

[Joe]

What happened? I had it good. I had Infecto Prosmosis. Like, that's like an 80s hair metal band.

[Frank]

What is it called? What is it again?

[Morgan]

Toxoplasmosis.

[Frank]

Yeah, Toxo. Toxo is not good. Toxic.

[Joe]

That also sounds like a ninja turtle villain.

[Frank]

Yeah. So I don't Hate it.

[Morgan]

Yeah, it's really bad if you're pregnant. That's why, like, pregnant people aren't even supposed to clean litter boxes because it cause like, birth defects. Like, it's very serious.

[Frank]

We should get dogs then. Solved.

[Joe]

The only difference between a dog and a cat is that the cats have a litter box that's like three by three, and the dog's whole apartment or house is the litter box.

[Morgan]

And dog owners are like, I feel like, to generalize. Sorry. Dog owners are like less tidy than cat owners. Like, dog owners constantly don't pick up their dog's shit. And it's. Whoa, not disgusting.

[Frank]

I'm picking it up and it's outside. What are we talking about here? It's not in the apartment.

[Joe]

He picks it up and he sniffs it.

[Morgan]

I just went to a condo building the other day and there was dog shit right in the lobby.

[Frank]

Here's the thing. Well, that's insane.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Frank]

That is crazy.

[Morgan]

Come back and pick it up.

[Frank]

Well, we should go back.

[Joe]

And was that New York or was that elsewhere?

[Morgan]

Los Angeles? People. People bring their dogs everywhere too. And it's to the point where, like, service dogs are getting disrupted while they're trying to do their job because of everyone else's little pet. I got Coco barking and shitting down the aisles at. At the grocery store.

[Frank]

Can't have that.

[Joe]

I just. So you're against service dogs?

[Morgan]

That's not what I said.

[Frank]

He's not listening. It's okay.

[Morgan]

I said service dogs are great. And they're just out there trying to do their job and they're getting attacked by the average pet that people are bringing to the store in line and saying, it's a service dog.

[Frank]

As a dog owner, I am not a fan of people bringing dogs where they're not supposed to be. I think you can kind of get away with like a. A brewery if. If there's an outdoor area, but that's it.

[Morgan]

Yeah, the grocery store grosses grocery store's banana. Like, literally someone with this big ass doodle. Like, it was a sheepa doodle. So it was really, really tall.

[Joe]

Oh, God.

[Morgan]

And it was like smelling all the food. It was licking pastry items in the bakery.

[Frank]

Like, no.

[Morgan]

What?

[Frank]

And they're big mops of. And again, this is. Has a dog on it. Who's got a fuzzy dog?

[Morgan]

Terry, you have a doodle, don't you?

[Frank]

I have a doodle.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

And I mean, he's got a lot of hair. So like, even when he's outside or, you know, just walking around he's picking up stuff. He's a mop of shit. You can't bring him around.

[Joe]

He's dirty.

[Frank]

Food and stuff.

[Morgan]

It's like people that drop food in their beards by your dog. Like, that's your dog.

[Frank]

You can't have people with long beards in the supermarket rubbing it all over the boxes. You know what I mean? You would not like that.

[Joe]

There's also a part of this story that we're completely ignored.

[Morgan]

Okay, yeah, let's get back to the cat. Yeah.

[Joe]

We are also ignoring the fact that this guy is, first of all, men

[Morgan]

are,

[Joe]

like, just, like, stupid, you know? And that's coming as. He's a dog owner, I am a man. And this is a classic example of, like, I told him to clean, and he's just like, all right, I'm gonna do it. You got it. Like, you got it.

[Frank]

Like, weren't you just advocating for. Like, this isn't a big deal.

[Joe]

Because it isn't a big deal because of things like toxic prognosis. I've never heard of that. So, like I said, it didn't exist. But also, if I can victim blame for a quick second, you gotta know you're dealing with dumb creatures here. So, like, you need to tell them a little more. Like, by the way, here's some. Here's what you should use to clean it. Now, he also could be a prick, and he could have been using some, you know, classic. Like, what's a weaponized negligence or something like that.

[Morgan]

Weaponized incompetence.

[Joe]

That's it.

[Morgan]

That's what I was. That's what I was getting.

[Joe]

That's what I'm thinking, because she's like, he's out with his mates. Which, first of all, British, 100%. Yeah, so.

[Frank]

Or Australian.

[Joe]

No, they would say, like, they say,

[Morgan]

mate, do they use pint down there? Down under.

[Joe]

I think it's like, since the toilets go the opposite way, they don't call it a pint. They call it a cask.

[Frank]

No, that's incorrect.

[Morgan]

No, like, he went to get a pint.

[Frank]

Yeah, I think this is British. This is. This is.

[Joe]

We could.

[Frank]

You know, there is someone in London eating cat shit with their stuff. I. Again, I am. So I have something like this.

[Joe]

Okay, so you have lactoproximosis.

[Frank]

No, I don't have that. What I have is these three brushes that are next to my sink in order to use to clean dishes. But there's one brush in particular that is, like, separate from those that. That is just for the dog bowls. So if we're cleaning the dog bowls, it's going to be that one. Not the ones that we're using for the. Obviously, but, like, that's how it should be. I would never. You. I mean, like, I mean, you know, me too. If I leave a plate out and like, I forget to put a plate in the dishwasher and then I'm away for the weekend and I come home, I'm throwing the plate out because I'm like, too much time with us being out and maybe there's some mold and I just can't get over it. I'm throwing the plate out.

[Joe]

He has. We've talked about it a lot on our show. He fully, like, I was there when it happened. Threw out a whole dishwasher's worth of.

[Frank]

I did cutlery because plates and bowls. I made peniella vodka. And I, I like, like, you know, you kind of like wash the dishes before you put it in the dishwasher. And I put it in and I closed it and I forgot to start it and then I was away. So when I came back, I saw that there was some mold. I was like, I'm throwing it all out.

[Morgan]

Well, why didn't you give it a chance in the dishwasher? It was already there. You could have at least given it.

[Frank]

First of all, the dishwasher was lucky I didn't throw him out because I threw out all the dishes and then I ran the dishwasher like four times with nothing in it just to get it super clean.

[Morgan]

So germs are a big deal for you.

[Frank]

It's like they are and aren't. Like, it's. I don't know why. With dishes, that's where I am. And also like toothbrushes. Like, I'm not into that. Yeah.

[Morgan]

If you dropped a Snickers on the floor, would you eat it?

[Frank]

Hell no.

[Morgan]

Oh, see, I would.

[Frank]

You would eat it if it was a carpet.

[Morgan]

Like a five second rule.

[Frank]

If it was my carpet in my house, I would eat it. Obviously.

[Joe]

It depends on how hungry I am.

[Morgan]

Yeah. For a Snickers or like a baguette. Like something good.

[Joe]

A baguette.

[Frank]

Where are you?

[Joe]

Just walking around. They just. Oh, my God, we dropped our baguette. Pick it up.

[Frank]

If it's on the, like the street, the raw ground.

[Morgan]

No, no, not a sidewalk here for

[Joe]

sure, but like in your own home. A sidewalk?

[Frank]

Where?

[Morgan]

I don't know, like a cleaner.

[Joe]

Like a Vienna sidewalk.

[Morgan]

I'm like just thinking like, if I bought a fresh croissant from like a Little pastry place, and it just falls out of my hand.

[Frank]

It depends how it falls, too. If it hits the ground and I can pick it up and be like, I'm just going to rip that part out, then I might. I might go for it. It's going to be tough if it hits the sidewalk, though, you know?

[Joe]

No, I think sidewalk is like, you just got to get.

[Frank]

You got to. You got to.

[Joe]

Yeah. But that's when, if, you know, like, that has happened to me, and I'll go. I'll turn around and I'll be like, I dropped my croissant. And they're like, here's a new one.

[Morgan]

Very nice.

[Joe]

That is very nice.

[Morgan]

You definitely don't have fear of rejection.

[Joe]

Oh, I absolutely do. But I also have no shame. So he's a. Karen, stop that. Don't do that. Excuse me. I dropped it for not your fault. Technically, I slipped on your sidewalk.

[Frank]

I dropped it for not your fault.

[Morgan]

Oh, my gosh. The top comment on this cat story. Why did you throw out the sponge that is now the dedicated litter box cleaning sponge Fair.

[Joe]

That's fair. You could.

[Frank]

You could. I think it was more of, like, an anger thing. Yeah. Let me get this thing out of here. It's cursed.

[Joe]

Also, throw out the guy. Get rid of him.

[Morgan]

We going that far?

[Joe]

I mean, why not?

[Morgan]

Why, sure.

[Joe]

No one will. This person will never hear this.

[Frank]

Also, it's a Scrub Daddy. I don't really know what they retail for, but aren't those, like, daddies are bougie. Aren't they expensive?

[Joe]

They're not, but they last forever.

[Frank]

Not this one. I'm saying just to throw the thing out. This is.

[Joe]

First of all, I'm a huge advocate for Scrub Daddy, which I know they need all the PR they can get.

[Morgan]

They're. Oh, they're $6. Oh, that's not too bad for sponge for us.

[Joe]

One sponge, though.

[Morgan]

Well, for one sponge, last forever sitting

[Joe]

on a Spotify set. Like, oh, $6 for a sponge. Not bad.

[Frank]

I feel like with my baguette on

[Morgan]

the floor, I mean, I buy the off brand Magic erasers. Like, those are bougie.

[Frank]

I've never owned a Scrub Daddy, but I got to get into it.

[Joe]

It's going to change your life.

[Morgan]

Oh, especially the one with the handle

[Frank]

that you can, like, stick it in the mouth and see. Well, that's what. That's what I've seen.

[Joe]

The Scrub Daddy, the Scrub Mommy, the Scrub Babies.

[Frank]

What's the babies for?

[Joe]

Just, like, smaller things.

[Morgan]

Yeah. They have different sides. The mommy has two sides.

[Joe]

She does.

[Morgan]

She's more useful.

[Joe]

She has an abrasive and a soft, comforting side.

[Morgan]

If you have glass surfaces, there's an amazing little kit they sell with, like this, the paste.

[Frank]

Your putty.

[Morgan]

So good.

[Frank]

Putty for what? No, no, no, no.

[Morgan]

He's clean. Your glass.

[Joe]

Forget him. He doesn't know. He's not. He's not a scrub boy.

[Morgan]

He's. He's clean boy. He likes clean.

[Joe]

Hey, but he's not on the scrub daddy train yet.

[Morgan]

Well, he's just. He can be.

[Frank]

He wants to exclude me. This is messed up. This is so messed up. I'm being bullied.

[Morgan]

Okay, well, cat girl, she was so embarrassed by it. She did delete the post, so I don't know if we'll get an update. I hope they can solve this issue.

[Frank]

Why was she embarrassed?

[Morgan]

I don't know. She deleted it.

[Frank]

Oh, she were. So what were people saying? Were they on her side?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

I mean, I know. We know. We know why.

[Frank]

Maybe. Maybe the guy was like, yeah, you're throwing me under the bus here.

[Joe]

Well, he's British, so he said, throw

[Frank]

me under the double deckle bus here.

[Joe]

You throw me. You throw me into tube.

[Frank]

That's the train.

[Joe]

Train. Yeah, but. Well, yeah, technically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Morgan]

I mean, I don't know why she deleted it. A lot of people are like, congrats, you've been eating off the litter box this whole time.

[Frank]

Oh, yeah. Maybe that's why.

[Morgan]

That's fucking disgusting. He's going to need to buy a new sponge. This, ladies and gentlemen, is called weaponized incompetence.

[Joe]

That's right.

[Frank]

Wow.

[Joe]

He was just like, all right, you only date. I'm going to do it. I want to do it my way. That's how. That's probably exactly how he said it.

[Frank]

Can you explain it exactly what that term means?

[Morgan]

So it's come up recently. A good example is a story I've had on the podcast before. And so it's when people will purposefully do tasks wrong so that they stopped being asked to do them.

[Frank]

Interesting.

[Morgan]

So this girl asked her boyfriend, hey, can you do the laundry? And he couldn't figure out how to wash anything. He'd combine everything. He'd throw bleach in with black. He was horrible at the laundry because he didn't want to do it. Why can't you do it, babe?

[Frank]

Got it.

[Morgan]

So anytime he would try, he would mess it up. He bleached her little black dress and she tried to, like, fix it with a Sharpie. Didn't work. And so in order to kind of punish him for his weaponized incompetence, she wore that black dress to one of his work dinners or something to embarrass him.

[Frank]

He did that? Well, I don't know that that's the

[Joe]

best course of action, to be fair.

[Morgan]

Too petty for you?

[Frank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

It's a little. You know, I'm gonna get you back by wearing this dress. That makes me look a little crazy.

[Frank]

So it's about the intent. Like, the intent. Like, I am going to do this song on purpose.

[Joe]

You've never heard that term?

[Frank]

I have heard the term. I was just getting a clarification because I can understand from, like, the context clues of, like, the words. But an example, like, is would help me better understand that. But that's why I was going back and forth with, like, a guy being like, I've always just thrown the whites and colors together and I just kind of, like, wash them like that. Like, that's just incompetence. You know what I mean?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

But if you're purposefully doing it, that's.

[Joe]

That's the weaponization of it.

[Frank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it. All right. Yeah. That is an insane thing to do in any regard.

[Morgan]

It's happening a lot.

[Frank]

Oh, yeah, I know. I've. I've heard so many stories about how mentally unhealthy a lot of people are, especially in their relationships. Something like that is just, I am going to do it wrong. That doesn't serve anybody.

[Joe]

It doesn't even serve you. It does not. It does not.

[Frank]

I like to be petty in other ways. Not that.

[Morgan]

Not that.

[Joe]

I'm sure my dad did this to me for years. He would ruin my laundry all the time. And then he was like, well, you don't want ruined. Do it yourself.

[Frank]

There's a lesson in there.

[Morgan]

And you learned.

[Joe]

Yeah, I did. I did learn.

[Morgan]

Yeah. My dad stuck my clothes in the dryer once, and I cried. And he never, never washed my stuff again. Well, I didn't even. He wasn't doing my laundry. It was in the wash, and I was gonna take it out and move it. He thought he was helping me. And then he shrunk all my shirts.

[Joe]

See, that's nice that you think that. Cause my dad would have thrown it in a dryer, burnt it, and it would have been my fault.

[Morgan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Frank]

I do that to myself. So I. You know, in order to learn about which materials shrink and which ones don't, I eventually had to. I actually had to learn that the hard way. And I Bought. For some reason, I was feeling myself. And bought a cashmere sweater. And then out of the dryer, it could have fit Stuart Little.

[Morgan]

You can stretch it back out, you know?

[Joe]

Wish I had known that.

[Frank]

I threw that out with my pots and pans. Yeah. So that one, I was just like, well, okay, well, let's just pretend it says mold on it.

[Morgan]

What the hell?

[Frank]

Would you eat a piece of bread that had a little piece of mold on it today, Morgan.

[Morgan]

No. Five years ago, I would have torn the mold off and eaten it during COVID I was on a food stamp card. I was eating anything I could find.

[Frank]

Oh, man.

[Morgan]

A baguette on the ground, a snicker on the street.

[Joe]

Weaponization.

[Frank]

You're weaponizing poverty.

[Joe]

Oh, my gosh. Don't you hate? I. I come from. Because, like, I. I definitely used to be the person that would be, like, cut around it, you know? But now I'm just. I saw one thing, and I was

[Morgan]

just like, I'm scared of food poisoning. I had norovirus once.

[Frank]

Me too.

[Morgan]

Never want to go through that again.

[Frank]

Was going through it.

[Morgan]

I needed three IVs. Like, three.

[Frank]

I got my first one because of it.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

And I was like, now I'm addicted. But, you know, what are they.

[Joe]

What are they putting in those. In those IV drips.

[Morgan]

Everything. Put a little all inclusive.

[Joe]

Sprinkle a little, like, fentanyl in there and then.

[Morgan]

No, that's. That's bad. No, it's got all the good stuff, all the B vitamins.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Sometimes I put the yellow bag. Yeah. Glutathione. I get some Zofran if I'm feeling a little nauseous.

[Frank]

I get that. I get that. Well, I got that.

[Joe]

I should say I've never done one of these. And you should.

[Frank]

Luxurious.

[Joe]

No, I've learned that if someone tells me to, like, hang out, that has something to do with needles. Say, no, you don't like IVs. I don't mind IVs. But, like, I almost got one before our MSG show. Becca, like, hit me up, and she. My wife, was like, I want you to be in the best health possible. So I booked you an appointment to do an iv. And, you know, it was sweet.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then it was the day of. And I was like, I just don't want to do this. So I have a credit to do it, but I haven't done it yet.

[Morgan]

You'll really like it.

[Frank]

I just won.

[Morgan]

You don't even feel the needle go in.

[Frank]

See?

[Joe]

But they're good needles. Don't bother me at all. Oh, at all. I've been poked and prodded with enough.

[Morgan]

What's the issue?

[Joe]

Yeah, what's the issue with IVs?

[Frank]

Yeah, like, why don't you like it?

[Joe]

I overthink because I'm. I will be the type of person that's just like, okay, what is actually in that bag? Are they just telling me it's, you know, like, all these vitamins, but it's actually like yellow Gatorade or something?

[Morgan]

No, it's legit. They'd get into trouble.

[Joe]

I mean, they would get in big trouble.

[Morgan]

But I can't think about, like, here's the thing. If you went and you got a bad IV with Gatorade in it, think about the money you could sue them for.

[Joe]

That's true. My family would be rich. You know, I do also, though, take the approach of, like, I'm not going to get into it, because if I do get into it and I do like it, now we got a big problem on our hands because I'm not going to want to stop.

[Frank]

It's not affordable enough to be an addiction.

[Joe]

That's how I am with, like, Pokemon cards. If I start, once you pop, you can't stop. Like Pringles.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Frank]

Name every brand you can.

[Joe]

Lunchables. Pringles. I threw a soft C in there.

[Morgan]

Okay, let's move on to this next one.

[Frank]

Okay.

[Morgan]

This is coming from relationship advice. It's five days old, titled. My boyfriend, 31, male, is mad at me, 28, female, because I let my cousin touch my old implants.

[Joe]

Where were the implants? Where? Were they still implanted or were they explanted?

[Morgan]

Uh huh.

[Joe]

Supplanted.

[Morgan]

My cousin was over at my house. My first cousin, the closest I had to a brother growing up. He was sitting down and he looked across the living room and said, is that an implant? I said, yeah. And I let him see it. He was like, whoa, that's crazy. And then I said, want to see what the inside of one looks like? Because one was ruptured and the texture is super weird. He said, it's sticky, like a glue trap. That was the whole interaction.

[Joe]

So it was not in her body?

[Frank]

No, no.

[Morgan]

My boyfriend was watching the security cameras in the living room.

[Joe]

Oh.

[Frank]

First of all, spying on. Spying on someone and their cousin. New level of insecure.

[Joe]

Yeah, now we're getting into black mirror level shit.

[Frank]

This is weird.

[Morgan]

And he. He got pissed. He said that it was inappropriate and sexual and quote, white people fuck their cousins.

[Joe]

That they do. That they do.

[Frank]

So I Was feeling that. I was feeling the whiteness in the room.

[Joe]

Yeah, there was a clear whiteness in this.

[Frank]

There was, there was white, like around.

[Joe]

Only white cousins would be like, where are your old tits?

[Frank]

Yeah, like, is that your old boob over there? You know what I mean?

[Morgan]

Op says, seriously, what the fuck? He said, you should have known that was disgusting. Letting your cousin touch your tits. And he said, I am disrespecting him by doing something sexual.

[Frank]

I don't.

[Joe]

I think he's going a little crazy with that.

[Frank]

I don't think it's disgusting or disrespectful.

[Joe]

I think it's a little strange. It is strange. However, it sounds like there are some bigger control issues at play here. Big fat ones.

[Frank]

Oh, yeah?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I never would have equated touching an implant outside of my body, especially a ruptured one, was the same as touching my boob. I said, I understand how that may have upset him and I can respect his opinion and I'm sorry it hurt him. It won't happen again. But he is still claiming I should have known better. This is something that doesn't feel like anyone would have expected or automatically known. I guess I just don't know what to do anymore. I know this isn't healthy. I'm just shocked he reacted this way and this badly. We've never been perfect, but this is a completely different level of anger. He's been an amazing man in the past. He's been super tense lately and he's never gotten mad at something like this before. Pertinent info. We have been together for almost four years. We have had fights in the past, but all couples do. He's Arabic, I'm white. We have security cameras because there have been several break ins and the police said until we get the guy on camera, they won't do anything. Even though they have seen him on our property multiple times and running from the house after we caught him.

[Frank]

I do think that this guy's a little nuts for sure. Because I don't think that's like sexual for me.

[Morgan]

It just like feels scientific. It's like a medical thing.

[Frank]

Like scientific feels.

[Morgan]

But like, I mean, I've felt people's implants for like scientific reasons while they're in their body.

[Joe]

Different.

[Frank]

Scientific different.

[Morgan]

I would never felt one. And I was like, I was like, sounds like curiosity. You're not one of the.

[Joe]

We are completely. I'm doing it for science.

[Frank]

All right.

[Joe]

I got a lab.

[Morgan]

Okay. Every, every guy out there listening is going to be like, that's How I'm going to touch a boob. Again, science.

[Frank]

I'm actually a doctor.

[Morgan]

Okay. I hear it now.

[Joe]

I'm an expert.

[Morgan]

Just like I was curious. I'd never felt an implant.

[Joe]

No, of course, we're avoiding a huge part of this that is questionable.

[Morgan]

The security cameras.

[Joe]

No, no, no. Because it sounds like. It sounds like they. Well, first of all, sounds like they added some context as to why the security cameras are there, why her husband is watching it. Strange also, though, like, why she's with the cousin, too. But also, like, why do you just have a ruptured implant just sitting out on your coffee table? Presumably that's where it was if it was in, like, a bedroom. We're approaching a little strange, but, like,

[Frank]

I don't know that I would go out of my way to tell my. Like to ask my cousin if I could touch an implant, but if I did, I don't. I think it's a giant stretch for people to be like, well, that's sexual. You're touching your cousin's tit.

[Joe]

I'd be like, bro, this.

[Frank]

First of all, where was the hospital? There's a big.

[Joe]

There's a lot. Even hers. There's a lot of context we're missing. Like, if this happened in, like, Alabama, I would be like, all right, maybe there's some. There's some room to understand that this is a little weird, but, like, elsewhere, not that bad.

[Frank]

Yeah, A new level of insecurity.

[Morgan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's really insecure, really controlling and weird that he logged into the camera to, like, watch.

[Frank]

I'm with my cousin. What are you, like, scared of?

[Morgan]

He's insecure and scared that they're going to hook up. White people.

[Frank]

That is crazy.

[Morgan]

Fuck their cousins.

[Frank]

Yeah, no, that's first of all, wild. General. That's a crazy generalization. All right.

[Morgan]

I do have an incest story in one of my tabs. Like, oh, we're going.

[Frank]

We're going there. Maybe a hard eye.

[Morgan]

We see where we go. We don't know.

[Frank]

Well, that. That defeats the purpose of my entire case here.

[Joe]

No, no, what I was just going

[Frank]

to say is that one. I think that's strange. If that was me in that situation, I'd be like, you're spying on me and I'm with my cousin. Yeah, that's the insecurity.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

It's kind of wild. And you just. Blanket statement saying that white people, their cousins. And that's why I'm watching, as if that's an appropriate excuse for spying on me. And then It's.

[Joe]

It also sounds like this person, like, there is a clear power dynamic and control dynamic here, because she immediately went, like, he's been stressed lately. Like, he's been going through it. And it's like, how many times have you had to say that to other people? Yeah, like, that is a little. I don't. This person's. Okay.

[Morgan]

Yeah. We do get a little bit of an update after some comments, but OP does also share like, he's super possessive. He's never had an issue with my cousin before. His previous statements were like, quote, you're mine. You can wear what you want, because at the end of the night, you're coming home with me. He was kind of possessive like that, but that didn't scream red flags at me.

[Frank]

I would say this does, though. This is screaming red flags.

[Morgan]

He equated touching the implants as like, almost like. It's just like letting your cousin play with your dildo. That's insane.

[Joe]

Is that something that happens? That's.

[Frank]

Yeah. That is so different. That is so different.

[Morgan]

That's how he's comparing it. It's like, it's so inappropriate to let your cousin touch your old implant. You basically let him play with your dildo.

[Frank]

No way.

[Joe]

This person's stretch.

[Frank]

That is crazy.

[Joe]

I mean, reaching is what I was looking. I will say this.

[Frank]

Had this been a dildo. Short conversation.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Very weird.

[Frank]

This is.

[Morgan]

That's very weird.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

What.

[Joe]

What's this?

[Frank]

Yeah, just like holding a dildo, being

[Joe]

like, oh, I always wanted to see one.

[Frank]

You're like, chill, dude. This is too crazy now.

[Joe]

What were you. What were you playing with? I was just going like this.

[Morgan]

That was sword fighting.

[Frank]

Yeah, exactly. That's a little too crazy. But like an out and about, former retired implant. Yeah, I think that's.

[Joe]

It's like. It's like, you know, I would have been taken out to pasture. You know what I mean? It's like. Like the old police dogs that are, like, on their last legs, it's retired.

[Frank]

Yeah. He's not even in the game anymore.

[Morgan]

Old police dogs. I just heard. I'm like, whoa, what? Fido?

[Joe]

Like, I'm saying, like, it's like the old police dogs that are on their last leg, it's like they're not even in. Like, they're not even working right now. You know what I mean? Like, it's over there.

[Morgan]

Like, yeah, OP does have a comment where she's like, it's basically like, to me, you got a pacemaker out and someone wanted to see your old pacemaker like it's a medical device.

[Joe]

I would be. That would be a little weird too.

[Frank]

Saying that an implant is a medical device is also a little.

[Joe]

It could be.

[Frank]

It could be a medical scientific instead of, you know, curious, but it's not medical.

[Morgan]

It feels like it, though.

[Joe]

It's like.

[Morgan]

Would you call like. I'm just thinking of like a male equivalent, like a. A penis pump. That's a medical device.

[Frank]

Well, that. See, now this is.

[Joe]

I don't know.

[Frank]

For some reason that feels different because if it had been reversed and it was like.

[Joe]

Well, if you're gonna.

[Frank]

A woman was upset that a guy was letting his cousin play with his penis pump that he used to have. Yeah, that feels a little stranger also,

[Joe]

for some reason, I think. Haven't we like debunked penis pumps?

[Frank]

No, it's a real thing.

[Joe]

Oh, it's real.

[Morgan]

Yeah, they're real.

[Joe]

They're not like snake oil.

[Morgan]

You have to squeeze the balls to pump them up.

[Joe]

Yeah, you do. I don't.

[Morgan]

It's a real device.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm sure it's a real device. But like, that feels different. Yeah, it does feel different.

[Frank]

It's just a circular bag.

[Morgan]

We do have a picture of the implant.

[Frank]

Oh, let's get a gander. What am I looking at?

[Joe]

It looks like a petri dish.

[Morgan]

It's an implant. It's a. It's a top view. So it's like.

[Frank]

That's a giant implant.

[Morgan]

Yeah, it looks like a lot of ccs.

[Frank]

That looks like a Maybe Is that like the.

[Morgan]

That's the rupture.

[Joe]

That's like when people like zoom in on like, you know, like germs. Under a microscope, it does look similar

[Morgan]

to a petri dish.

[Frank]

Am I not getting the scale? I'm pretty sure. Massive.

[Morgan]

I mean, that's the arm of the sofa. So I mean, it looks like it's maybe an 8 inch arm.

[Joe]

It's like a softball.

[Morgan]

It's splooted. Like it's like sploot, like on the arm of the sofa.

[Frank]

Gotcha. If you pick it up, then maybe it would like.

[Morgan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frank]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Well, also, like, some people put their implants under the muscle and the muscle holds shape. Like there's multiple ways to.

[Frank]

Yeah. I mean, even staring at that, like, there's nothing really overtly sexual about that.

[Joe]

Yeah, it looks like one of those.

[Morgan]

Like everyone's got them these days. Those little squishy things. They're like ice cubes or like fruit. Yeah, they like went super viral.

[Joe]

Do I drop another brand here or just

[Frank]

I got a list of.

[Joe]

I got them ready, locked and loaded.

[Morgan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Frank]

Yeah, I think this guy's super controlling.

[Joe]

Yeah, it sounds not good.

[Frank]

Also, the anger and just, like, letting it linger like that just feels strange. Very strange.

[Morgan]

Op said he got a new Mercedes, and so maybe that's why he's so stressed.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

You know, getting a new.

[Joe]

Brand new Mercedes. How difficult it is to ride around in my Mercedes.

[Frank]

A brand new one at that. A brand new one. Now you want to talk about stress? You want to talk about stress in a world like we're living in? Try having a Mercedes.

[Joe]

My gosh.

[Frank]

Try driving one of those off the lot. You know, finding out that your.

[Joe]

Your.

[Frank]

Your wife's at home letting her cousin play with her boobs.

[Joe]

If you think the atrocities in the world hold a candle to the stress that it causes to drive a brand new sports car, you. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Frank]

Homeless guy came up to me asking me for a couple bucks. I'm like, can't you see I'm driving a Mercedes? I'm going through it right now as well.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

Gosh. Jeez.

[Joe]

You know how much?

[Morgan]

Ah, it's true. What were you gonna say?

[Joe]

I was just gonna keep piggybacking off of what he said, but I. I saw, though, it was time to stop.

[Frank]

I saw. I read.

[Joe]

I read the room.

[Morgan]

You read the room?

[Joe]

They told me right over there.

[Morgan]

I would have let you go on. There is an edit. We are done.

[Joe]

Yeah. Good.

[Morgan]

I'm just in shock at this point. I don't even know how we got to this point. And honestly, I'm really hurt that he just flipped into a completely different person.

[Joe]

I'm glad. Yeah. Is there another edit that she's now dating her cousin? Because that would be the cherry.

[Frank]

That would be a double.

[Joe]

That would be awesome. That would get us.

[Morgan]

I'll check their comments one more time, but I don't think so.

[Joe]

Another edit. I'm in love with my cousin.

[Frank]

Just let that be a lesson, though. You could be dating a guy for four years. As soon as you find out in a situation like that, they're like, whoa, what's going on? Just know that that's not a one off.

[Joe]

Also weird for the cousin, if he heard this and, like, she told the cousin the story, he'd be like, do you like me? Or something.

[Frank]

Yeah, like, what the hell are we talking about?

[Joe]

Why. Why was he so nervous?

[Frank]

It's very weird.

[Morgan]

You reminded me of a story and now I'm like, wait, I want to get your take on it. It wasn't on my agenda, but this. Yes. Okay, so this one is coming from Am I the Asshole? It's titled Am I the asshole for not wanting my soon to be brother in law at my wedding.

[Joe]

Oh, let's go.

[Morgan]

Hi Everybody. I'm a 26 female about to get married to my wonderful fiance, 28 male. He and I have been together for five years and our wedding is set to take place this spring. So for some backstory. When I was 18, I was on a date with a guy who was 18 2. We went out to dinner and I thought we had a really great time and I really liked him. After our date, I texted him telling him I had a great time and would love to meet him again. He just responded with telling me thanks that he enjoyed our date but he did not find a connection with me and would not want to see me anymore as he felt it wouldn't be fair to me. I really liked this guy and I was heartbroken, but I moved on. Three years later, I met my now husband. When I met him, I had no idea as to who he was. We hit it off and clicked instantly and fell hard for each other. It was not until six months later when I was at dinner with his family and his brother was there. And that's when I realized that his brother was the guy I went on a date with. Yeah, I explained this to my husband. He was fine with it. I also messaged his brother telling him I did not know that they were related in any way, but that I really liked his brother and would like it if he did not let our past together disturb my relationship. He responded by telling me that we were all good. However, he has continually flirted with me.

[Frank]

No.

[Morgan]

When we meet for dinner, he always flirts, saying stuff like my dress looks nice, that I look great, or telling me that something specific on the menu looks like I might like it. He always does this in front of my husband who has not said a word about this. He also tries to make me jealous all the time. Like when we are all out with his family, he sometimes brings a girl with him and if they have been dating for some time, he will always kiss her on the cheek, talk with her all the time, and flirts with her. I have kept my mouth shut about this as to not cause anything bad between him and my fiance, but with wedding planning and sending out invites, I just had to say something. I told him I don't want his brother there because his brother always flirts with me and Tries to make me jealous. My fiance looked dumbfounded and asked when this happens, if his brother does this stuff when he is in the bathroom or is simply not looking. I told him no and brought up all the things that I did here in this post. My fiance laughed and asked me if I was okay in the head and if I was joking. I got angry at him and I said that if he could not see how truly disgusting his brother's behavior is, then he is not who I thought he was. We have barely talked since then. I got a text from his brother saying that he was sorry if he ever made me feel uncomfortable and that he had no intention to make me feel that way. My fiance is still mad at me. Was I really the asshole for this? I just want my happiest day to be my happiest day. And it can't be that if I have to worry about his brother doing something.

[Joe]

Okay, that was a doozy.

[Frank]

I mean, asshole isn't the word. Narcissist feels probe here. He's really flirting with me. He said I look good.

[Joe]

You would really, really like the steak.

[Frank]

Yeah, he told me I'd really like the mozzarella sticks. What the hell's his issue? He kissed the girl he came with that he likes.

[Morgan]

What?

[Frank]

Are you trying to make me jealous? What's going on, dude?

[Joe]

Yeah, first of all, didn't she say that she really liked the guy? After one date?

[Morgan]

She was heartbroken.

[Joe]

Heartbroken after one date. One of those immediate red flag.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, I mean, did she not

[Frank]

know that that was the brother? Who's to say this feels like it wouldn't be outside?

[Joe]

Yeah. This is also in today's day and age. Like, if this person is saying they're how old? They're 26. So. And they went on a date when they were 18. Eight years ago. Social media still around.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, I. Unless.

[Morgan]

18. Yeah.

[Joe]

Ye. So I imagine that she was going on the date with this new guy who ended up being her partner, like, husband.

[Frank]

You got to stop.

[Morgan]

You know, she went. Do you think she stalked? She.

[Joe]

She might. It sounds like she might have known.

[Morgan]

Do you feel like this is purposeful?

[Frank]

Do people even.

[Joe]

I don't know, without stalking, I'm not going that far.

[Frank]

Who wouldn't do that?

[Joe]

I don't. But it's not called stalking anymore because that is crime.

[Frank]

Well, yeah, not the. Not the federal.

[Joe]

It's called, like, looking around.

[Morgan]

Taking a peek.

[Joe]

Taking a peek. Taking a pe.

[Morgan]

I love a peruse.

[Joe]

I love a perusal. What you look at Their whole social media history, it's out there.

[Morgan]

It's public information.

[Joe]

As long as you're not, like, sending them, like, used socks and saying, like, I will kill you and your whole family. You know, like, that's when it gets bad.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Has someone done that?

[Joe]

Nothing I know of. I'm sure it's happened, though.

[Frank]

I'm certain.

[Joe]

I'm sure it's happened. It does. I don't. I don't know, like, what Joey said. I don't know if is the right term.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Joe]

I think this person has some stuff that they need to work through with a mental health professional. I. I don't want to sit here and be the guy that's just like, don't believe her. Don't. You know, like, clearly she's feeling something that is real, but what is causing it to feel that way might be something, you know, and there's history there. Is she trying to make, you know, a metaphorical square peg fit in a round hole, you know what I'm saying? I don't know.

[Frank]

I think that she probably enjoys the fantasy of there being this, like, both of these guys, and she wants the brother to really be interested in her, so she's creating these scenarios kind of in her head and just kind of overanalyzing everything when he's just trying to be a normal guy. Because when you were reading that, I'm like, oh, no, he's gonna start flirting. And then it's kind of like, oh, you look really nice. And, like, for you to take that as something because you were so attached to this person at one time, it feels like it's the. The call's coming from inside the house.

[Joe]

I love that you said that. There's also a lot of context that we're missing here. You know, it's possible that, like, the foods he was saying she might really like, maybe they were, like, overly phallic foods. You know, maybe it was just like, oh, you would love the wiener schnitzel. You know, like, you would love the chorizo. Like, maybe. Maybe there's context that we're not getting that could help her side a little bit. I'm just playing devil's adv.

[Morgan]

No, I appreciate that. I feel like, overall, I think she's just either really delusional, maybe, like, just kind of off her rocker a bit, or no one has ever been nice to her ever. Like, to just be told, like, oh, you look nice and think it's flirting. Are people usually really mean to you that would.

[Frank]

In a. In a vacuum I think that that would make sense. But the fact that you went on one date and then you were heartbroken, like, to me, that kind of gets me to believe that there's a little bit of, like, narcissism involved. Like, I think that certain people like that also will almost, in a way, pretend that they're heartbroken so that they can get some sort of attention from other people. And, like, look at this thing that happened to me. I was dating this guy, and then he ghosted me. And normal people are gonna be like, it was one day. Who cares? You know? Like, even if you guys, like, talked for a bit, you met him for one time, one date. Like, how can you possibly care about that? But if I'm heartbroken that I'm gonna get sympathy, I'm gonna get comforted. So that's why it makes me believe that this person is, like, trying to create a situation where now I need this again because something's happening to me and I want to exclude it and whatever. And in a weird way that almost feels like she has the feelings for him.

[Morgan]

I was gonna say, is this giving a little Summer I Turned pretty?

[Joe]

Never seen it, but yes.

[Frank]

Oof. I did see a few episodes.

[Morgan]

I feel like you'd be really into it.

[Joe]

I think my wife watched.

[Morgan]

Is that Conrad? Jeremiah?

[Frank]

Yes, I watched. What team are you on? What?

[Morgan]

What team are you on?

[Frank]

Oh, I'm not that in that I haven't seen.

[Joe]

We're still trying to figure out Team Edward or Team Belly.

[Morgan]

Belly.

[Frank]

Belly. Yeah. Yeah.

[Morgan]

What do you mean? Team Edward or Team Jacob?

[Joe]

We're still trying to figure out that team. Where we sit, where we fall in there.

[Morgan]

Edward.

[Joe]

Oh, okay. So you're just making the decision for us?

[Morgan]

Well, the other one's a wolf, and he weirdly imprints on her daughter. I feel like there's only one side to pick.

[Frank]

Okay, get him.

[Joe]

First of all, don't get me. Second of all, you heard all that beautiful, like, therapy talk.

[Frank]

He.

[Joe]

I mean, everything I wanted to say, he just said it in a very nicer way.

[Morgan]

You sound healed. Like, I really have been watching some standup specials, and this person really talks about mental health. Taylor Tomlinson. And I realized I'm like, I really need to go back to therapy because she seems to be, like, very self aware and healed, and I'm. Yeah, you. You're giving healed as well.

[Frank]

Oh, I appreciate that. I have been in therapy. I also go out of my way to, you know, like, read books and stuff to try and understand.

[Morgan]

You read books?

[Joe]

Loves books. Books, Loves books.

[Morgan]

What's your favorite book?

[Frank]

Oh, I have no idea. There was. I had an answer to this. I don't know if it's still my answer, but, like, during COVID I read a book called the Psychopath Test by. I believe his name is John Ronson, but I read a couple of his books.

[Morgan]

That sounds really interesting.

[Joe]

He passed the test.

[Morgan]

You're not a psychopath.

[Frank]

No. When. But they. It, you know, it's a. It's a cool book. But he has a couple of books and I think they're all, like, pretty interesting. But that was like, my answer for a bit. I don't know if it's still, you

[Morgan]

know, you got to read another book.

[Frank]

I have been reading books. I just haven't, like, taken inventory of which one is my favorite or something.

[Morgan]

Do you have a goodreads account?

[Frank]

I do, but I don't really, like, use it.

[Morgan]

I feel like people would be really

[Frank]

into that if I had a goodreads account. Oh, maybe.

[Joe]

Definitely.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They go wild for him. They go wild for his feet. I'm sure if they, like. I'm sure if they could, like, see what his brain looked like, they would.

[Morgan]

Are you on that feet website?

[Frank]

I'm against my will. Yeah.

[Joe]

Don't Google it.

[Frank]

Oh, not foot finder or whatever. Not foot the wiki feet. He's.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. He is like a five star recipient on this foot website.

[Morgan]

Yeah, you do have five stars. Gorgeous feet.

[Frank]

Yeah. If they could.

[Joe]

If they could see what you're reading.

[Morgan]

Oh, God.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Literally put your feet out there for free a lot.

[Frank]

Well, this was a thing that I did in the past before I knew this existed. And now I'm a little bit more.

[Morgan]

No free feet.

[Joe]

He's guarded. He's guarded now.

[Morgan]

Why do you think I started using blankets?

[Frank]

Well, I didn't know that there was an entire empire out there.

[Joe]

Do you also normally just wear no shoes and socks?

[Morgan]

Look at this close up of your foot they put on.

[Joe]

So that's an ugly one.

[Frank]

That was on the.

[Joe]

That was on the show.

[Frank]

I put my foot up on the desk. I am proud of the hip mobility to be able to get, if anything

[Joe]

that shows, you know, real good range of motion.

[Frank]

I just wanted people to know that at one point in my life I was an athlete, so I am able to do that. So that's all I wanted to do.

[Morgan]

They have a lot of feet. Picks up.

[Joe]

Stop looking. Yeah. This seems like you're objectifying him.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You're like looking in real time. Basically.

[Frank]

You're Looking at my implant.

[Joe]

This is getting. Can I touch it?

[Morgan]

Oh my God.

[Joe]

This little. This little. This will get cut.

[Morgan]

No, no, it won't. No, this will. You have a really good score. That's. That's great.

[Frank]

Thank you.

[Morgan]

That's awesome.

[Joe]

You should start monetizing it. Honestly, I would.

[Frank]

I'm cool with not monetizing it as long as someone sends me like a plaque.

[Morgan]

What do you want the plaque to say? Great feet.

[Joe]

Great feet.

[Frank]

Like, I just want it to be like a glass foot. Like a glass foot and be like, whatever.

[Morgan]

Why don't you take a mold of

[Frank]

your foot, sell that. I can't give myself the My guy.

[Joe]

Sell them.

[Morgan]

How do you think they're gonna get you? Like, if they want.

[Frank]

You know what I mean? Well, I thought there would just be like a standard foot that they would send.

[Joe]

I try. Should create.

[Morgan]

I feel like it should be yours.

[Frank]

What was my rating?

[Morgan]

5 stars.

[Frank]

Oh yeah. No, I gotta make the thing.

[Joe]

I try to provide him with foolproof business ideas. I do feel like if you made a mold of your foot and sold it on like our, like our stores. Our store.

[Morgan]

What would paperweight.

[Frank]

A paper or.

[Joe]

No, like a silicone mold.

[Morgan]

Imagine it right there on the stack of the books. That'd be really.

[Joe]

And like you could put like, here we go now. Now you got me going. He's cooking, I'm cooking.

[Morgan]

I think you need to.

[Joe]

It'd be a foot mold, but the toes would be like lollipop candy.

[Morgan]

So like, oh, that's really. You're giving the fetish.

[Joe]

What do you think people are going to do with them? You got to lean in. People are going to be doing that.

[Frank]

But then the. Eventually the toes will erode.

[Joe]

So then you gotta buy a new one. Supply and demand.

[Morgan]

Can I get candy?

[Frank]

I just want to say that the idea that he just gave. He's done this like a billion times. That honestly is probably like the best one. That's how bad the rest it happened here. Yeah.

[Joe]

Well, listen, magic happens, I will, you

[Morgan]

know, I'd support magic happens. I'll gift it to Spock.

[Frank]

A paperweight. Paperweight.

[Morgan]

Yeah, paperweight. Right there. Okay, so top comment on this. This one. Hahahahaha. What the actual fuck? You're the asshole. Yeah, he's being nice to you and trying to make you feel included in the family and you think that's flirting. He has a date and kisses another girl and you think that is him trying to make you jealous. You had one date with him eight years ago and are still Thinking about how much it wasn't a match. This is a level of delusion not often seen. This is some next level shit. You're the asshole and delusional.

[Frank]

Yeah, 100%.

[Joe]

Yeah. Asshole is a. I don't know if it's the term I would use, but

[Morgan]

I mean, it's too harsh.

[Frank]

I would use it. If I'm the brother in law, I'd be like, now you're being an asshole to me, making me look like something. Why are you doing that?

[Joe]

Do you think the husband is just like, oh no, what have I gotten myself into now?

[Frank]

If I was the husband, I'd be like, dude, yeah, this is weird. I'd feel like, yo, you have it out for him. Like you have an attraction to him and that's why you're doing this. Like nagging.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Especially given the fact that like, it's so bad in her head she doesn't want to invite his brother to his wedding. It's not just her wedding, it's their wedding.

[Frank]

He's also there, a possible best man.

[Morgan]

Even I would say he probably is the best man.

[Joe]

So

[Morgan]

it's crazy.

[Joe]

That is crazy.

[Morgan]

This next one is also a bit crazy.

[Joe]

Bit doozy.

[Morgan]

I think so.

[Frank]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Excited to see what you guys think. This feels really wrong.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Morgan]

It's coming from our very own Tuha Takes subreddit. Three years old. It's titled My Male 27, Wife, Female 28, showed her friends our sex tapes. My wife and I have been together for seven years, married for two. We have a healthy and active sex life. One thing we like to do is just record ourselves. Nothing fancy, just our phones in the moment. We have a shared icloud server that we send it to. That way we can watch it on our phones and other devices without it being saved on our phones. We sometimes like watching them together or we both travel somewhat frequently for work and watch them then. My wife has a very active group of friends that she spends a lot of time just hanging out with, chatting and drinking wine. A typical girls night in, they usually meet at our house. So I usually just go downstairs to play games or sometimes I go out with my friends. They tend to get loud when they get drunk and whenever I don't have something playing in my headphones, I can hear them. A common topic is their sex lives. It made me feel weird at first to hear my wife and her friends talk about our sex life. But I remembered that I used to talk about my sex life with my friends when I was younger. However, the other night I heard whooping and cheering like it's an Avengers movie.

[Joe]

Whooping.

[Morgan]

So I crept up the stairs to see the commotion. My wife was playing some of our sex tapes on the TV for all to see. I went back downstairs and stayed down there until they were ready for me to drive them home. Usually there's some satirical cheers and such from her friends as I walk up the stairs and grab the keys. This time a couple of them did wolf whistles. They've never done that before and one even said, quote, way to go stud. My wife shushed them and decided to come along. When I dropped them off, there was a lot of drunk giggling in the car ride. After I got home, I wanted to talk to my wife about what I saw, but I thought she was too drunk to have a serious conversation with her. Then we went to bed and she tried to engage, but I told her I was too tired. The next afternoon, when she was sober and less hungover, I asked her why she showed our videos to her friends. She got a deer in headlights look on her face. She then said they were just having a good time and she told them about our collection and they started to beg to see them, so she obliged. I told her those were private videos and she said we never said we couldn't show them to others and it's not like she sent them the files. I think she could tell I didn't like that answer and she said that she'll make it up to me and then tried to engage again. I backed up and said I was going for a drive. I texted her that I was hanging out with some buddies for the day. When I got home last night, I set up camp on the couch and have been sleeping there the past couple of nights. I don't think this is a call for divorce or anything. I'm just upset that she violated my trust like that. Even though we never had an agreement, I thought it was just implied. I'm also upset since she didn't apologize until I started sleeping on the couch and that she originally tried to engage instead of apologizing when we first talked.

[Joe]

How do you. I need a machete to get through the weeds of that one.

[Frank]

I mean, this feels pretty clear cut. I mean that is wrong on so many lows.

[Morgan]

It's so violated.

[Joe]

Is this from an Am I the asshole thread?

[Morgan]

No, this is from the Too Hot Takes subreddit. So just kind of like writing in.

[Frank]

Is this someone who like listens to the show?

[Morgan]

There's a chance.

[Joe]

What the hell are you. Look down the Barrel of the gun right now.

[Frank]

Yeah. Like, what are you thinking? Like, I think that's. Yeah, that's. That's wild. I am also, like, you're married to someone. You seemingly trust them, whatever. I don't think you should be able to, like, show people that are also, like, I don't know, man. Like, and I don't think this person. They're trying to find a middle ground. Be like, well, I used to talk about my sex life when I was younger. Yeah, dude, we all did. But, like, now we're married. Adults don't do that.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

When you're 18 years old, it's a big difference.

[Morgan]

Well, and I was like, I went to go look at ages again. I'm like, is she a lot younger? And maybe that's why there was that comment.

[Joe]

Two years, right?

[Morgan]

She's 28. He's 27.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

Way too old to be doing this.

[Morgan]

I know the.

[Joe]

Like, if one of my friends tried

[Frank]

to show me, like, I'd be like,

[Joe]

yeah, what the fuck are you doing? But also, like, the hooting. The hoot. Hooting and hollering that they're doing. Like, they're watching, like, the super bowl, and they're just like, yeah, way to go, stud. Like, oh, I would never be able to see those people ever again.

[Frank]

No, I'm not saying that this is more appropriate, but a part that would bother me also is that you don't even respect me enough to, like, keep this a secret. Like, you're doing it in my house and I'm there. Like, it's not like, you're, like, showing your best friend and, like, one of them being like. And just, like, that I would find strange also, but at least, like, keep it a secret from me. But now you're kind of, like, outing me. Your friends are saying it to me. Like, I definitely should not know that they know. If anything, you know, like, that to me, is, like, another level of disrespect as well as, like, this is, like, a traumatic thing for this guy to. Now I come upstairs, all your friends are watching me naked.

[Joe]

What?

[Morgan]

It's super weird if roles, like, reverse, like, flip genders. Like, I feel like people would, like, have an easier time understanding this. Like, would you like it if your husband showed all of his guy friends?

[Joe]

No.

[Frank]

Right. Like, that would be insanely violated.

[Morgan]

Like, come on. Yeah, that's horrible. I agree. I wouldn't even want my friend. Like, I don't want my friends to see me in action. That's weird.

[Frank]

Yeah. Very strange.

[Joe]

That's Weird. And then the fact that they were, like, making a joke. Yeah, yeah. Like, it was like they were making a joke out of it to the point, like, like, if they had almost. Because, like, they didn't know at the time that he had heard or saw. So, like, they're being, like, coy, like, trying to be, like, funny. Like, way to go, stud. Like, it's kind of like rubbing dirt in the wound. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's not. That's not nice.

[Frank]

It's also fucked up to leave your partner out to dry in the sense of you're on the outside of this. We all know this happened. You don't know what happened. I'm going to let them make those comments that are maybe going to confuse you if you have no idea what's going on and you're, like, cool with that. Like, that's not doing. Like, there's so many layers that are, like, wrong.

[Morgan]

I know. I think, too, like, the fact she initially was like deer in headlights trying to come up with, like, a plausible. The, like, excuse, because I don't think she even put it in her head, like, oh, he's gonna hear this.

[Joe]

But also, like, I know the part that is also kind of weird is, like, the Then trying to, like, use sex as, like, I'll make it up to you. Like, this is like, again, I did say earlier that men are simple and most likely dumb creatures. But, like, to be like, this person's upset, I'm just gonna, like, throw my body at it and, like, everything will blow over and it'll be okay. Like, that's a level of disrespect, too. Like, you're not valuing.

[Morgan]

Really good point.

[Joe]

You're not valuing, like, the emotional, you know, damage that you did. And you're just thinking that, like, the physicality of our relationship will completely fix that issue that I just caused. Like, that.

[Morgan]

That.

[Joe]

That's. That's a little.

[Frank]

It's not very thoughtful. And it's also like, you're undermining, like, my entire existence by thinking, like, yeah, you can. You can't your way out of this one, lady. Sorry.

[Joe]

I'm gonna make it up to you.

[Frank]

It's like, no, I don't want that.

[Joe]

That's what got us here.

[Morgan]

I was just gonna say, yeah, I did it first.

[Joe]

So that. That is. Yeah. I mean, I know that this wasn't from an am I the asshole? Thread, but I'll say it again, kind

[Morgan]

of an, oh, she's an.

[Frank]

I think.

[Joe]

Who submitted this? The per like the.

[Frank]

The. The.

[Joe]

The female partner or the guy. The guy.

[Frank]

I think also the. You're not thinking of your husband when you're like, I'm just gonna make this executive decision. You're not thinking of your husband when you're letting your friends make the jokes or do whatever. You're not thinking of your husband by doing this in the house that he's in currently. And you're also not thinking of your husband when you're like, I'll just fix this with sex. Like. Because then it's like. Like I said, it's like you're undermining his existence and being like, well, it's not like, actually a person. I could just, you know, he'll forget about it if I just get naked. It's like you have a crazy understanding of what a relationship is.

[Joe]

Yeah. You know, so it's hard to make jokes about this.

[Frank]

You would. This is. I. I feel like you're not over there. You're not. This is not going to last. Like, there's no way that lasts. Like, how you come back.

[Joe]

Yeah. How do you come back from that realization? Because, like, there is a sense of just like, oh, like, you see these people again, which I. I presume this person is going to see his wife's friends again. Like, there is going to be that internal. Like, oh. Like, they. They've seen me in this very intimate situation. So, like, how do you even allow that relationship to go anywhere outside of just like, hi and bye.

[Morgan]

It would be really hard to get that trust back.

[Frank]

When you said deer in the headlights. Also, I thought that this was going to turn into. And not saying this is an excuse, but I thought this was going to turn into. She was like, what? Like, like black drought and didn't know. Yeah, I can. I think that a part of me could possibly get past that if it was, like, a mistake and you're realizing how fucked up that is. Yeah. But if it's not that and you're also not apologizing, like, that's the part that I think results in divorce for me. It's like I'm telling you that I feel violated, and you just, like, don't agree. Like, that. You don't get to not agree.

[Morgan]

No. Like, these are my feelings. They're valid. And you're not even acknowledging them. You're just trying to fudge me again.

[Frank]

Yeah. And it's like, that I'm not gonna be able to get past. Then it's like, no, it's a rap now.

[Morgan]

No. Top comment. You need to ask her if she thought it would be okay if you showed the sex tapes to your drunk friends. She violated your trust in the worst way. I'm not saying break up with her, but I damn sure wouldn't record any more videos.

[Joe]

Yeah, I would do a sweep of that room. Like you're in the CIA. Make sure that there's no fucking listening or video devices. Cloud.

[Morgan]

I would delete them. I think it's time to delete them.

[Frank]

Yeah, like, you should, like, do, like,

[Morgan]

can't handle this privilege of having these. So. Bye, bye.

[Joe]

Just do, like, the classic, like, burn barrel behind the apartment. Just, like, throw it in and be, like, so dramatic about it.

[Frank]

Doing this on the cloud, too. You're playing with fire. Yeah.

[Morgan]

Like, I feel like there's been a lot of celebrities that have been held hostage over their nudes.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Morgan]

It's so horrible. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Bye bye, Cloud. Delete, delete, delete. Empty trash bin. Whatever you got to do.

[Frank]

She's got some stuff going on. She has a weird relationship with her sexuality, I would say.

[Morgan]

Or just, like, needing approval from her friends. More of an insecurity thing.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like what?

[Frank]

Well, I guess things are sex. Like, she's using it as a. As a way to, like, get her way, and then she's using it to get validation from these people. Like, she's got problems.

[Joe]

I also don't get the logic of, like, what are you showing? Like, what is in there that you are showing? Like, how did the conversation get to a point where it was just like, well, we do this. And they're like, no way. And it's like, let me show you that we do this.

[Morgan]

Yeah, that's. I mean, like, I've talked about a position in the past, like, on this podcast, and I drew, like, stick figures to, like, explain it.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Morgan]

So I could imagine them having a conversation in, like, getting there. But to then, like, show them the videos, that's too far.

[Frank]

I also. Yeah, I also think that, like, it's totally fine for. I mean, it really depends on the intention. Like, I do think that people talking about their sexual experiences with their partners, especially when you're married, is, like, maybe a little, like, taboo. But if it's like, your best friends and you need someone to confide in, so the intention is, like, you know, like, you're trying to get information, you're trying to whatever. If you're just trying to, like, flex and it's just something you talk about. I think that's a little weird.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

Yeah. Like, I think that's Strange to do. Yeah, but if you're gonna do that, I shouldn't know. Dude, I don't want to know. If your friend knows things about me.

[Morgan]

A different girl's house, like, during another girl's night. But, like, the fact he's downstairs.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

In your home.

[Joe]

Do you think there was any part

[Morgan]

of her that, like, wanted him.

[Joe]

Wanted him to find out, to see, like, how far she can push the boundaries of it?

[Morgan]

I don't know. Like, what was she hoping? Was she hoping it, like, then turned into him coming upstairs and something happening?

[Frank]

Like, I think it was just a lack of thought. Like, it's just I'm thinking about me in this moment. I'm not thinking about the guy. He's, you know.

[Joe]

Is there an update?

[Morgan]

No update.

[Joe]

How long ago was this posted?

[Morgan]

Three years.

[Joe]

Oh, they're done. They're done.

[Morgan]

Maybe OP could be out there listening right now. We could get an update after this episode.

[Frank]

We don't know.

[Joe]

I don't know. Careful asking that, because they might just, like, send an update with, like, an image file and you're just like, nevermind. Yeah, it would be weird.

[Morgan]

I don't get a lot of those. You guys must get some interesting.

[Joe]

No, I don't get them. Honestly.

[Frank]

No, not that I'm aware of.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I know. I. I just want an update from this username. It's gotta come from this username too. Like, I can't. I feel like I wouldn't believe it if it didn't come from this account, because then you're like, you just made a fake account to mess with us. But. Yeah.

[Joe]

Well, what was the username again?

[Morgan]

Throwaway tapes.

[Joe]

Well, I think it sounds like they started llc. It sounds like they were on track to go a certain route with this story, so.

[Morgan]

Well, that's kind of how Reddit. Like, if you don't want something tied to your main account, you're supposed to create a throwaway account. Like, this is. It's Reddit etiquette.

[Frank]

Okay, Redi kit.

[Joe]

Come on. It's right there. It's right there.

[Morgan]

Yeah. You're quicker than me. I don't know. Okay, moving on to this next one coming from R. Relationship advice.

[Joe]

Nice.

[Morgan]

Titled, My 32 Female Fiance, 37 Male, is a homicide detective, and I'm starting to feel like he treats me more like a suspect than a partner.

[Joe]

Before this gets bad, and, like, we have to say that this is not good. This is funny. Like, before it gets, like, scary just being like, do me a favor, let me know where you were Saturday 3:00pm 15:01 Was your alibi? Yeah.

[Morgan]

My fiance and I have been together for almost four years. He's a homicide detective. My friends immediately started side eyeing me. They said don't date a cop, it's not worth it, they're all bad, etc. None of them have ever actually dated a cop, so I found their opinions more annoying than anything else. I just felt like they were basing their judgment off of a stereotype. My mom said similar things, but she dated a cop who was a former military guy with PTSD like 49 years ago and based everything off that. Lately though, a few things have started to bother me. I don't know if it's just that these incidents seem to be more frequent or if I was just willfully blind to it before. I'm just bothered by these things now. He records our arguments. I've known about that for a while. He told me it was quote, to make sure we remember things correctly and communicate better and I believed him. At first I didn't like it and I thought it was petty and stupid. I asked him if he saved the recordings and he said he deletes them once the argument was resolved. I have since found a folder on his computer labeled with dates and times and their recordings of arguments or other conversations we've had going back over a year. He notices tiny changes in my behavior and asks questions in a way that feels more like an interrogation than concern. I also recently discovered he's done background checks on some of my friends and co workers. Sometimes his phone buzzes and he steps out for hours without explanation, but he just says he's handling work stuff. Whenever I ask, he makes cryptic comments like quote, you know, I only trust what I can verify or I like to know everything that might matter when it comes to things just between us. Even not strictly talking about work. And then he laughs it off, but the words stick. It's hard to tell when he's joking and when he's serious. I love him, but it's sometimes I feel like he's treating me like I'm some sort of suspect. He doesn't seem to trust anyone, including me. Every little disagreement feels like it could be evidence. Recently he's made some comments related to having kids about having a tracker on them at all times. He said he'll never let his kids spend the night at somebody else's house and that he'll do background checks on every parent of our kids, friends and teachers. I feel like those sort of comments are becoming more frequent and it's just escalating. How do I handle this with him? How do I discuss this in a way that won't jump into a dumb argument that he inevitably records for no good reason? I honestly don't know how to bring this up to him. I've considered telling him he needs therapy because he cannot continue to live life. So suspicious and paranoid about everything and everyone. I'm pretty sure he'll refuse that.

[Joe]

Boy. What was that book you said that you was your favorite book?

[Frank]

Psychopath.

[Joe]

Yeah, this person sounds like they're more of the, you know, like the calls coming from inside the house type of thing. He's a homicide detective, but it sounds like he might have a little screen couple screws loose.

[Morgan]

Is he giving Dexter?

[Joe]

No. Dexter. Don't talk bad about Dexter. You know, he has morals.

[Frank]

He's got a code.

[Joe]

He's got a code. No, this. This definitely sounds like there are parts of it that honestly, like when it gets into the whole, like, I'm gonna track my kids, they're not going to anyone's house. Like, as a parent, like, I have said things like that and like, just in today's society, like, there are forms of like tracking and apps for that stuff. So like, that part of it doesn't feel.

[Morgan]

I'm kind of with it.

[Joe]

Yeah, like that doesn't feel.

[Morgan]

No sleepovers. I'm. I'm also.

[Frank]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, we've not. So far, I could say as a parent, we've not done any sleepovers. But like the idea of like either my kid going somewhere else, I won't sleep, or kids sleeping at my house that are not my kids, I gotta be responsible for other kids. I know. You know, but like, that part of it doesn't sound that ridiculous. But like the whole like boarding background checks and friends and co workers, though, honestly, if I was a cop, I kind of think I would do that.

[Morgan]

Really?

[Frank]

That's wild.

[Joe]

You don't think so?

[Frank]

No.

[Morgan]

This feels like such an invasion. Like background check. You get everything from like their debt. Like you get a lot of stuff,

[Joe]

but there are certain things like that, like they're looking like. Like you're going to tell me if your partner has a co worker and you're. And they're like, you know what? They're actually a little weird. Like they kind of make like passing comments that are a little strange.

[Frank]

Well, we don't have that context though.

[Joe]

I know, but I'm saying, though, like, this is a guy that is clearly very, like, because of his line of work, very Paranoid?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm not justifying it, but in that regard, I don't think that's the issue. The background checks, I think the recording of the arguments, lying about keeping them afterward, like, yeah, that sounds a little strange because I can almost imagine this person in that argument is being very aggressive and, like, I'm right, you're wrong. And it's like, why are you watching that back? Like, that's weird. That's a weird power thing for me.

[Morgan]

It would really piss me off if I was, like, having a fight with my partner, too. And he's like, actually, no, no, no, let's roll the tape. And he, like, backs it up. And it's like, I didn't say you were a bitch. I said you were acting like a bitch. Like, you know, it's like, semantics, but it's like, I'm going to prove to you exactly what I said. And it's like, but this is how I took it.

[Frank]

Anyways, I'm kind of reading this in a different way. Like, you guys use the word suspicious and paranoid. Like, I don't really see it as that. I see it as, like, narcissistic. Because if you are paranoid or suspicious, then these things, you can get answers for these things. Someone who is paranoid is constantly having a conversation with you about, you know, what do we got to do about that? You just doing things against people's will behind their back and saying, it's for the greater good. And the thing that we're supposed to do is a narcissistic thing to do. And I don't care that you're a homicide detective or whatever. Like, if you know what's best or whatever, you're violating me by not including in me on these decisions and treating me like a child and think that, like, why am I not part of the conversation? Where if you want to do a background check on someone that I know or someone that I'm spending time with, we should at least have a precursor conversation as to why you're suspicious. But if that's just how you're going to treat my relationships, that's a little crazy to be like, I can't have friends now unless you approve, unless they meet the criteria that you decide, like, you're not the end all be all in my life. And you trying to take away my autonomy. And before the kids are born, you're like, we're gonna put trackers on them. We're gonna whatever. Like, yeah, and I get it. Like, the sleepover thing. Like, I get, you know, being like, Worried about that sort of thing. But even those things are, like decisions you make as a unit together.

[Joe]

You. Yeah.

[Morgan]

You know, so this dude, to me

[Frank]

is just, you know, he needs to be the one in control. Doesn't really respect this woman, clearly, in my opinion, because it's like, I'm just gonna do whatever the fuck I want and I'm gonna record whatever, and we're gonna go back to it. Also thought it was interesting when you were like, he deletes them once they're resolved. So you decide.

[Joe]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Once you believe they're good, then you

[Frank]

get rid of them.

[Morgan]

But he's also lying because he's not deleting all of them. If he's got a folder that has.

[Joe]

Well, if he can use it.

[Frank]

So if he has it, he feels I can use it. Layers. Then, like, then he can use it. Oh, you know what? Let me hold on to that one.

[Morgan]

So he's almost banking on it coming back.

[Frank]

Then he deletes the ones that he comes out looking wrong. Like, if he looks wrong, I bet those get Exactly.

[Joe]

The ones where he's probably. Exactly. It's a power dynamic. Why are you watching those back? The ones where he is, like, controlling it. I was right. He's keeping those to reference those. But the ones where he.

[Morgan]

And.

[Joe]

And I'm not saying that this person is, like, that stubborn. I can almost imagine that that's what is going on. But, like, if they are, like, retroactively proven wrong or something like that, he'll delete those. You know, this is, like, not a joke here. Concerning behavior.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like, this is scarily concerning.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I don't want to do, like, the blanket. Like, don't date cops. Because I'm sure. No, like, we know people that are cops that, to my knowledge, don't do this. But, like, there's. There's some other stuff there.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I think that's what we're noticing with all these stories. There's other stuff there. Layers like an onion. And that's why we're here, to peel back each layer.

[Morgan]

It's exactly why I called you in. I need a backup.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is. This is. This does sound slightly psychopathic, too. Yeah.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Top comment. This is how you want to live the rest of your life. Question mark.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Like, that's it. Like, literally. There is another comment that says, so he's controlling and suspicious, which are precursors for coercive control and abuse. And OP responds and says, I wouldn't say he's controlling, but his Actions.

[Frank]

He's definitely controlling.

[Morgan]

He's just giving. Controlling.

[Frank]

It's not like a direct control.

[Joe]

It's giving control.

[Frank]

Certainly giving control. It's giving to everyone. It's funny, like, you know how some people. When people are in abusive relationships, a lot of people are like, why don't you just leave? It's very obvious, or whatever. Because of stuff like this, where it doesn't take form in a way where it's so direct and it sounds like controlling. People tell you things you can't wear when you can go out and these. Like, it doesn't only exist in that way. So this is more of, like, a subtle way. Even though it doesn't really come across as subtle to us, but it's a more of a subtle way, I guess, when you're in that relationship, to realize, I am being controlled. Like, this guy is saying that his word and his decisions are always right. And the standard, and if I'm not meeting those, then because he's a cop or because he's a homicide detective or whatever, then he knows everything. And that's just not what it is. Especially in a relationship. It's more of, like, a collaborative effort. And if you're going to violate that part of it, then you don't have a relationship. Like, I am your child, then in your eyes.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

You're making every decision for me. Like, it's not really a relationship.

[Morgan]

No, no.

[Joe]

You see, I say, he's been to therapy.

[Morgan]

I know. I was like, in my head, I was like, holy shit, this is crushed it so just in tune and healed. And like, you're just picking up such subtleties.

[Joe]

He's giving healed.

[Morgan]

It's so good.

[Frank]

This guy's giving Psycho.

[Joe]

I'm giving healed.

[Morgan]

It's so good. I mean, I think you. You're on it too, when you say, like, it's not always easy to identify control. Because I think the examples you gave, like, you're not wearing that. Everyone would be like, you're not gonna tell me what to do.

[Frank]

Right?

[Morgan]

But this is control in another font. And a lot of people pick up on it, but OP not picking up on it. Like, someone goes, holy shit. Why would you want to stay with this unhinged person? And OP responds, unhinged. I mean, maybe if he worked in a completely different kind of work. I kind of feel like I understand where most of it comes from, though.

[Frank]

At least that's not really an excuse, though.

[Joe]

Yeah. Seems like she's doing the work to,

[Morgan]

like, defend him when continuously defending him.

[Frank]

She's been successfully gaslit into thinking, like, if someone is a homicide detective and you just say, like, okay, so whatever you say about this thing is what it is, and all your suspicions and all your whatever, like, I have to just submit to that because you're a homicide detective no matter what. For anybody out there in a relationship or even not in a relationship, your gut and your intuition still counts for something. Of course, Especially in a relationship, because it's like we're in a thing together. So you can have your suspicions and those can be based in like your experience and your job. But that doesn't mean that my intuition counts for nothing. And she's relinquishing that completely because it's like, well, he's a cop. I know where it's coming from. We can know where it's coming from. That doesn't mean that that's how it should be.

[Morgan]

I know. And she just keeps going to bat like for him again and again, like almost like against her gut. And it's like, you're the one that wrote this in. You're the run the one that said,

[Frank]

I say this a lot on TikTok too. Like, women will post videos of their husband, like, being weird and doing stuff.

[Joe]

No, but he's actually like, he's.

[Frank]

And it's like TikTok goes both ways with these things where sometimes a woman will post like a very, in my opinion, like a non issue, you know, and like, just like a funny thing. And the comments would be like, you need to leave him. He doesn't care about. Yeah, this is a sign of a big. You're going nuts now.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

And it's one video. But there are very clear videos where a guy has done something and it's like, you know, like, I was giving birth and he was playing video games and then he fell asleep and I was trying to, you know, whatever. And like, you know, you hear those stories all the time. But when, when it comes to another level and it becomes like no apology, no empathy, no whatever, and a woman is displaying that about her husband, you can't really fault the comments for being like, hey, I realize this is one video, so we don't have all the context, but like, these are bad.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Frank]

And you wouldn't. I also don't. I understand why you would post that.

[Morgan]

Anyway, like, did you see the pumpkin patch one?

[Frank]

No.

[Morgan]

This lady was like, pumpkin, I love pumpkins. I know. It was like such a wholesome activity to go with it for your kids. And I'm like forgetting the exact video. But she was just like, I don't understand why he just, like, can't go to the pumpkin patch and be happy one day. And it's literally her, the kids in the car. And he, like, literally just starts screaming like, I don't want to go to the pumpkin patch. She posted it. And it's like, yeah, those are people that are.

[Frank]

That are. That are.

[Joe]

That are looking for help, but don't want to, like, outwardly admit that they're looking for help in that regard. That's what I think, at least, like, because the comments will be, you know, like, listen, you need to. You need to. And then, like, they're, like, trying to defend it, but, like, it's. It's kind of almost a cry for help from my perspective.

[Morgan]

But, yeah. Or it's just like, in their gut, they think, oh, yeah, this isn't right. And they post it, like, trying to, like, have people come forward and, like, reassure them. Like, oh, yeah, I know that's fucked up. But then why defend them in the comments? That's. The defending in the comments is crazy to me. Because it's like, what did you expect?

[Frank]

I think that. I mean, personally, I believe that, like, people who post stuff like that are. Some of them, rather, are not realizing what the end result is actually going to be like. I think in the moment, a lot of people are very quick to post about their personal life and their relationship and especially when there's kids involved and, you know, the dynamic there. And I think immediately it's like, I want pity. I want to be validated in that I think this is a little crazy. But then you don't want it to go too far where people are gonna be like, hey, this is actually, like, horrible. Like, I don't want you to put up a mirror and show me what my life is. I just want you to tell me that I'm validated in being upset about this.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

But then once it becomes like, no, there's bigger issues at play here, it's like, all right. No, I have a handle on it.

[Joe]

Well, because I think people try to do the whole, like, this is relatable. This will be funny. And then people are just like, whoa, like, this is. This is something bigger.

[Frank]

And then they.

[Joe]

Then they have to get defensive over all that. Yeah.

[Frank]

I also think a good rule of thumb for people out there that are in relationships and married with kids and stuff, the notion of women are emotional and men don't really give a. About activities like the pumpkin patch and whatever is corny like that to me, is so corny. And I realize that it exists in the world, but, like, to me, like, I would not want to, like, associate with someone who's like, oh, my, my. You know how wives are the. They're all. And you're like, this is corny. Yeah. So posting that online and, like, perpetuating that, even as a joke, because also a lot of that content is fake. So, like, perpetuating that it's me is, like, ultra corny. I'm like, oh, it's the guy. He doesn't care. And the woman, oh, she cares so much about the little things. And I'm. And I'm the guy who doesn't do the dish. Like, to me, that's just corny shit.

[Morgan]

It's just, like, not accurate. My husband is way, way more thoughtful and, like, those little details and, like, he's way better than me about that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Like, it's not. It's super. It's so stupid. The Costco video really pissed me off.

[Joe]

That's why it was a Costco video.

[Morgan]

This dude going around asking all these men, how much fun do you have at Costco with your wife? And all these guys were like, negative 10.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Morgan]

One.

[Frank]

So that's, like, corny.

[Joe]

So when we were in. Actually last year, when we were. Well, two years ago, we were in la. Do you remember this story? The guy that came up to me. Oh, yeah, we were. We were walking down the street in la, and some guy came up, comes up to me and he goes, hey, I recognize you. Do you. Do you wanna. I do this show. I, like, interview people on the street. Do you wanna do it? And I was like, sure, what do you wanna ask about? And he's like, well, I'm gonna ask you a couple questions. It'll be super quick, and we'll take five minutes of your time. And I'm like, all right, what are you gonna ask?

[Morgan]

I'm scared. Yeah.

[Joe]

And the first question, he goes, well, I'm going to ask. Ask, you know, what do you think is a better investment? Crypto or gold? And I was like, dude, I don't know that. And I'm not going to answer that because I'm not going to give advice. And I was like, what's next? He goes, all right, my second question is, why do you think women don't respect men? And I was like, get the out of here. I was like, dude, get out of here. Because there is, like, there's a. There's a sect of the Internet now that is, like, gravitating Toward that side where it's just like these hyper masculine, you know, guys that are just like,

[Frank]

yeah, you know what?

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So when like that, you know, they post like that, it has the effect of, like, reeling people into that side of the argument. And, like, it is corny. I think, like, that's the best way to describe it is like, it's just corny and stupid and, like,

[Morgan]

very immature. I haven't heard the. The word corny in a while, and I really like it.

[Joe]

Dude, growing up in New York, is that over here a herb or corny? It was like, the worst things because it's such an under. You've never heard that one?

[Morgan]

No.

[Joe]

Like. Like someone that does something that's just like. Like it's like overly corny. Like you're a herb. Like, you're not a real person. You're doing something just for reactions or, like, just to get attention on you.

[Frank]

Like to me, like the Costco video, for instance, Right. Like, you're walking around and, you know, this is why I find it so corny, is because if someone comes up to you at Costco and they have a camera and they're asking you, like, how much fun do you have with your wife at Costco? You have a decision to make because, you know, you know what he's asking. It's a loaded question. So you know what is. You know what he's looking for.

[Joe]

Yeah, exactly.

[Frank]

And to me, you're corny if you're not gonna be yourself. Like, if you're just gonna say the thing that is going to satisfy the other incels that are watching this. Like, that's corny. Like, why is that the crowd that you want to impress?

[Joe]

And then the other end of it is they've also taken, like, the people that are just like, no, I love hanging out with my wife. I have so much fun.

[Morgan]

And they're saying, have another video simp, loser.

[Joe]

And it's like, we're completely edited out.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Like, what are you like, I know.

[Joe]

It's so.

[Frank]

It's.

[Joe]

It is. I think that's the best way to describe it. It's. It's corny, it's stupid, and it is the worst parts of the Internet.

[Morgan]

Well, it's like, who. Who are you saying it for exactly? Because it doesn't make your wife feel good. Someone you seemingly care about enough to spend the rest of your life with her and then. Or whatever. But, like, who are you doing it for? Are you doing it for the guys

[Joe]

you're doing it and that's what it is. And like, because you're, you think that there's this like underlying culture of just like boys have to hate their wives, you know, like, and it's like you're not doing this for any reason other than just like trying to be cool to people that like don't give a about you.

[Morgan]

They wouldn't know if you died tomorrow.

[Frank]

Exactly.

[Joe]

So like be cool in your own home.

[Morgan]

I know. Yeah, I'm with you. Op kind of just defends him in the comments. A lot of people are like, you want to deal with this the rest of your life? He's controlling. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Opie does share that she basically had to give him an ultimatum regarding their relationship and getting engaged. So she kind of like given him, gave him an ultimatum to propose. And so she says, so he didn't seem desperate to ensnare me.

[Frank]

First of all, the snare is bananas.

[Joe]

I've been watching Harry Potter. Like what? First ensnare, like she's like wild game.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like a rabbit running through the forest. I think, I mean if she had to give an. I feel like if you have to give someone an ultimatum, it's already over. Like you're basically just like clinging a life at that time.

[Morgan]

So I think there's a difference between like a conversation to like a line and like, are we on the same timeline? Like what are you thinking? Versus a true, like if you don't propose to me today, we're done. And I think some people even look at the conversation and just kind of having boundaries and timeline being on the same page. They look at that as an ultimatum even. And it's like, I think that we gotta clear up what an ultimatum really

[Frank]

would when it comes to that. I think an ultimatum is only like a short term thing because like you said, as the woman traditionally you are being proposed to.

[Joe]

So speak from the perspective of women. Doke you.

[Frank]

What I'm saying is like, as a woman, you, you have an expectation of like this person is going to propose to me. So I'm kind of waiting around for that. However, you have your own timeline. So there is this ultimatum. If we're being dramatic of like, hey, you know, if we've been dating for this many years, if we don't get engaged within the next year and a half or something, then I'm going to move on with my life because it feels like this isn't going to go anywhere. Yeah, like that to me doesn't feel like an actual ultimatum. It's more of like I have to Stick up for myself here. But if it's like, you know, if we don't get engaged by Q1.

[Joe]

Yeah, exactly.

[Frank]

You know, then it's like, all right, I gotta rush and do a thing.

[Joe]

Because then if you're asking, then it's like you're gonna have on the back end. You're just gonna have the opinion of, like, the only reason it's happening now is because I gave them this pressure.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And like, if that's okay and you want to live with that, that's your thing.

[Morgan]

But I know, what is that a sympathy ring or what's that term?

[Frank]

Well, I think people like that are not really interested in. In the emotional aspect of it at all anyway.

[Joe]

Yeah, exactly.

[Frank]

It's more of just like, I need to. I need you to propose to me so that I don't look crazy now. Like, people are going to expect me to be proposed. And now people can be like, you've been with me for this long, you don't have a ring. Like, what's the deal with that? I just don't have to answer for that. And I don't have to deal with the actual, like, emotional reason why I'm still with you. So just give me the ring so I could, like, pretend. Close your eyes.

[Morgan]

Exhale.

[Frank]

Feel your body relax.

[Morgan]

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[Frank]

And breathe.

[Morgan]

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[Morgan]

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[Joe]

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[Frank]

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[Morgan]

get an update on this one.

[Joe]

Oh, boy. I mean, we've been getting updates the whole time. How about, how much worse can it get? It can get worse, right?

[Frank]

He killed her.

[Joe]

Don't do that.

[Morgan]

I think a good starting point would be for me to admit that I do believe my fiance is a good man. He's not cruel, he's not aggressive or violent, and he believes with all of his heart that he's right most of the time. Of course, I realize a lot of people were pretty negative in their comments towards me in response to my original post, and a part of me wants to thank you all for your concern. But another part of me wonders if part of this negative response is simply because of the nature of his job. After sitting on all of this for a few days, I decided I couldn't put off this conversation anymore. I told him that we have to talk and this isn't about winning an argument. I began with the recordings. I told him I knew he had been stockpiling arguments with our friends going all the way back a year ago and how it makes me feel violated and threatened. He did not deny this. He explained to me why he holds them in case things ever get twisted and for protecting himself. To hear my fiance speak of our relationship in a way that implies he considers our life a potential lawsuit threatened me when I mentioned this style of questioning me and observing small shifts in my behavior. He explained that this is simply how his brain works and that given all he's observed in his work, he simply can't shut it off. He explained to me that pointing out details doesn't mean that he believes I'm doing anything incorrect. It's simply that he likes to verify rather than assume. He told me most detectives girlfriends simply get used to it, leaving me to wonder if this is a common fact or simply a defense people make when they're in fact engaging in poor behavior. The background checks on my friends and colleagues escalated into a bigger problem. He confessed to doing them and stated definitely he would do the same on people in relation to our future kids. He did not think it was an invasion of privacy, but rather just being informed. The talk of children was most sobering. He doubled down on trackers, no sleepovers, and careful screening of every adult in their life. When I called this controlling, he said healthy doesn't matter if they're safe. That phrase stuck in my head since I asked him if he trusted me. He paused for a very long time before answering me. He finally said that he trusts me as much as he trusts anyone else. I think he did not realize how unnerving that answer was. I just want to know where his limits are. I asked him what would happen if we broke up. He said he would never do anything illegal, but that he thinks a man must take care of himself all the time. What's that supposed to even mean? I've asked for some space and I'm currently staying with family. He didn't appear angry, and I really thought he would get an attitude about it and accuse me of being dramatic. He acted very coldly and matter of fact about it. While I am not putting an end to our engagement just yet, I'm definitely considering everything. As much as I love him and think he genuinely wants to do good in our relationship, I don't want a life where I am observed, recorded, and assessed rather than being in a relationship where I have someone's support.

[Frank]

I think that this is. Oof. I think that this happens a lot in relationships, too. That this guy clearly doesn't respect her. Like, it's just a lack of respect. Like, if you. If you. These are, like, not little things. These are big things. You know, this is the way that we're going to raise our children. This is the way that our relationship is going. And you. You're not even really understanding me from an emotional standpoint. You're just looking at everything very, very, like, black and white and linear and just kind of like, yeah, I understand. And, you know, like, there's not really even an understanding.

[Joe]

It's.

[Frank]

Yes, I did. That. I think that this is the right course of action and whatever, but that's just not what a relationship in life looks like. It's not a lawsuit. It isn't black and white. No, it is emotional.

[Morgan]

I know. And I would be really offended if my husband, even boyfriend at the time, engaged partner, whatever, like, any level, if he looked at me and said, yeah, I trust you about the same level as everyone else.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Don't you trust me more?

[Frank]

He doesn't respect her.

[Joe]

Yeah. I also think that this person clearly thinks that they're the center of the universe. The universe. And, like, they have an issue relinquishing, you know, control to any capacity. So it's like they are like, in the state of, like, I'm going to control it all. I'm going to do it all. They clearly have a warped mentality of, like, what masculinity is. Like, a man should always take care of himself first.

[Morgan]

And it's like, like, again, what is. What does that mean?

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, there's certain people, like, you come across people in your life that you're like, no matter what you do, you can't do anything to change them. They're just, unfortunately, every Ass has a seat, there will be someone that will, you know, be more open to this person's lifestyle. It just sounds like this Reddit OP got the term.

[Morgan]

There you go.

[Joe]

It's just not. It's just not that person. And you're clearly, for lack of better terms, excuse the pun, you're dodging a bullet here. Because if the control. If you think that at any point, if and when you were to have a family and children and like, incorporate that aspect of life into your relationship, if you think that, like, they're going to then relinquish control, you are severely mistaken. You know, I don't, I know you don't have. I don't know if you. This person has friends or family in their life that has children, but, like, that's a part of life when, like, you need to be a team, you need to be a unit, you need to be making decisions, and also you need. I can't understand, understand the mentality of just like, I have it all figured out. But they're, they have things figured out about a, a part of life that they have no experience with. So, like, unfortunately for op, like, it is only going to get worse if they continue life because there are so many aspects of, like, that they haven't even. Challenges, they haven't hurdled yet or even approached that. It doesn't seem like everything they've learned about this person that they're going to be able to do it as a unit. He's. He is going to try to do it himself and then fall back on the whole, like, well, it's because I know best. It's. It's someone who's probably, like, violently insecure, can't relinquish control, and this person is better off with someone, like, the next person that comes around, if they decide to, like, break the engagement off is going to be like, so the opposite end of the spectrum.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then Hindsight will be 2020. And they'll see, like, oh, like, I.

[Morgan]

That was bad.

[Joe]

That was really bad.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

Yeah. If you're in a relationship like this, you'll. You're going to spend the rest of your life, you know, trying to just win your partner's approval, which is not how a relationship should be. And then he'll never be wrong. He's never trying to win your.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, he doesn't respect you.

[Frank]

He doesn't trust you. Clearly, he said it.

[Morgan]

Your approval.

[Joe]

So she's doing the work for the relationship. I know, Like, I don't know if I said it about this one or another one? This. This sounds like a cry for help, you know? And, like, she's doing the one where she's like, no, defending him and blah, blah, blah. Like, she's the one that's trying to make it all work. And he's just like. Like, no, I will stand by. I think that, you know, like, the whole thing about, like, being extra careful about who your kids are bringing around, I. As a parent, like, I get it to a degree. This guy has access to a lot more resources. So, like, I'm not gonna sit there and say, like, I'm 100 on his side. Yeah, but your mind does get a little barbaric and crazy when you have children, because.

[Morgan]

No, there's some good points.

[Joe]

And, like, that is, like, there is a sense of, like, the world is scary. Like, when you have kids, you want to keep them close because the outside world is what's scary.

[Morgan]

So, like, absolutely.

[Joe]

There are points where you've probably thought, as a parent, some crazy things, you know, but you also don't have the resources to do those things, you know? And. And if this is someone that is this. I don't want to use the term unhinged lightly, but, like, just a little nuts, then I agree.

[Morgan]

I mean, I. I think there's some blinders on right now. And, like, some of his points, completely valid, but again, just a little too far. And that is kind of the resources. But it's like, what's. There's like a quote. It's like the power quote. Maybe it's from, like, Spider man or something where it's like, please don't quote

[Joe]

Spider man unless you're gonna have me do it correctly.

[Morgan]

But, like, you know, the one with the power.

[Frank]

It's like, with great power comes great responsibility.

[Joe]

Well, close, Close.

[Morgan]

Yes, Close, close, close. Is that Iron Man? What's it from?

[Frank]

Oh, Spider Man.

[Joe]

See, I'm gonna scream into the microphone.

[Morgan]

What is it? Say it, please.

[Joe]

It's with great power must also come great power, responsibility, Uncle Ben. Spider Man.

[Morgan]

Okay, I knew where it came from, though. That's crazy.

[Joe]

Good job.

[Morgan]

But that's, you know, he's gotta reel it in and have, you know, the responsibility side of it.

[Joe]

Yeah. I also don't want to just start, like, loosely throwing around the term of, like, abuse. But, like, someone that has a little more understanding of that world might be able to look at this under a different scope and say, like, this is potentially dangerous because, again, she's doing the work to be like, no, no, no, no, no. Everything's okay. And then.

[Frank]

Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely abuse. Like, it's. I mean, it's very clearly abuse.

[Joe]

I'm not a professional.

[Morgan]

Well, neither am I, but we'll let them chime in. We'll see. We'll wait for them in the comments.

[Joe]

Do you think they'll see it or your listeners?

[Morgan]

Our listeners. Yeah. We've got a lot of psychologists, LMFTs, like a lot of therapists. So on some of the stories we'll get like, their takes. I love when like our lawyers chime in on legal stories. Like we have a good community that comments. But this post is the Update is from December 15, 2025. So just, just a few weeks ago.

[Frank]

Oh my.

[Morgan]

So I could see us getting another update eventually.

[Joe]

Gotta get some Internet sleuths to like check.

[Morgan]

Exactly.

[Joe]

Some homicide detectives in the country.

[Morgan]

Exactly. Let's see who. Maybe we can find him and like,

[Joe]

yeah, maybe don't open that can of worms.

[Frank]

It's gonna come for a year.

[Morgan]

Fine. Okay, maybe not one last one to just like send us off on a good foot in a good mood.

[Frank]

Okay.

[Joe]

Loving foot. What?

[Morgan]

What did you say?

[Joe]

Did you say love a foot? I was gonna say love going off on a good note, but like I said, love foot.

[Frank]

He loves feet.

[Morgan]

Bigfoot guy.

[Joe]

No, don't start that. Let's make that very clear.

[Morgan]

You're the one that wants to make a foot statue. A candy foot.

[Joe]

I'm trying to give him business advice, which is a very sought after.

[Morgan]

You're going to be a customer. You want to try it?

[Joe]

No.

[Frank]

Ew.

[Joe]

Don't do that.

[Morgan]

This one is titled me 19 female with a guy. I'm seen 20 male, 3 dates. He only wears the same shirt.

[Joe]

Hold on. Is that it?

[Morgan]

No.

[Joe]

Oh, okay.

[Frank]

Go ahead.

[Joe]

I'll let you finish.

[Morgan]

Hey, Reddit. So I've been seeing this guy. We met through a work friend. So we weren't friends before or anything like that. He's really great. Attractive, has a nice job. He's funny, considerate. A. I really like him. We texted a little bit before our first date. I said that I'd really like a casual date. When I get to the restaurant, he's wearing a Where's the beef? Shirt.

[Joe]

Fire.

[Frank]

Stop.

[Morgan]

I thought it was hilarious. I loved it. Second date, we go bowling. It was adorable. I'm terrible at it, but I do love bowling. He's terrible too. So we used the bumpers. Kids were making fun of us, but it was really great. He's wearing the same shirt again. I assumed it Was because I thought it was so funny on the first date. Third date, he's making me dinner at his place. I get there, it's the same shirt. Two weeks has gone by since the first date. I ask him if it's a running joke or if it was just a coincidence. He shows me his closet. Every single shirt, every single one that read where's the Beef? He opens a drawer, even more of them, exactly the same. He says the ones in the drawer are a size bigger. For around the house and sleeping in. He has a lot of them. Probably about 20, but I'm not sure.

[Frank]

20? Okay.

[Morgan]

I asked why and he said he just really likes that shirt. Yeah, I was really weirded out, but we had dinner and then I left. I called my friends who introduced us. He said, oh, yeah, he always wears that shirt. I thought I told you that. No, you did. Fucking not Reddit. What do I do? I really like this guy, but I don't know if I want to start something with a guy that dresses like a cartoon character. What would you do? Help.

[Joe]

See, this is tough. I think there's two routes to go. Obviously, the not being into it and saying, like, listen, no, thank you. I just want to see other people. You don't necessarily need to give a reason why or triple down. Show up to his place with a boombox outside of his window wearing a what's the beef Shirt and just be, you know, there you go, There you go. You know, a sign of romance.

[Frank]

So then you're just fully in now.

[Joe]

Fully in on the beef.

[Morgan]

Where's the Beef family?

[Frank]

Oh, man, this is.

[Joe]

You know what's funny is I think I feel like we know someone that would do something like this where they just have the same shirt over and over and over again.

[Frank]

I don't even know who you're thinking of.

[Joe]

This is such a college coded thing where like their whole personality is just like quippy graphic tees and stuff like that. Which as a reformed graphic T shirt wearer. Reformed. I feel like I can understand that. I didn't know what was going on.

[Frank]

Like, you're just going to get a gun.

[Joe]

She's going to get it.

[Frank]

Stop. Wait, is this the shirt? First of all, the fact that it's yellow makes this a hundred times worse.

[Joe]

Well, isn't it from a Wendy's commercial from, like the 80s?

[Morgan]

Is that what it is?

[Joe]

I believe it was like the commercial was like an old woman. Or was it Wendy's or. First of all, if you're a fast food company and you have to have a thing that says, where's the beef? Problem should be right there in your commercial. You shouldn't have to look hard to find the beef.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Joe]

This is incredible.

[Morgan]

And why don't you guys have something nice to remember our time?

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Frank]

I. And I swear to God, I feel like if you walk into someone's house and they have 30 shirts, 30 of

[Morgan]

those, where's the beef?

[Frank]

Yellow shirts in general.

[Morgan]

So I think in this story, it. There's some context that it's red with yellow writing.

[Frank]

Not much better. Not much better. It is better, but not much. I think that, like, if you actually wanted to date this guy, I'd be like, dude, you're not going to let this go. Like, it's time.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Is it a bet? Were you bullied as a kid? Well, someone comments that there's something.

[Joe]

There's something there.

[Morgan]

Someone goes, what if he was traumatized as a child by a different shirt? We just don't know.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, we don't. Do we have information on what? Like, if he just says, like, yeah, I just like them. There's clearly, like, his fraternity made a bet. Like, listen, dude, wear the shirt until she realizes it. And then once she does, the amount of dates, you have to drink that many Bush lights and just absolutely rage hard at the next formal.

[Frank]

Dude, 20 shirts of the same shirt.

[Morgan]

Mm.

[Frank]

That's not even necessary.

[Joe]

Also, can I. It's a month for a sec.

[Morgan]

He doesn't want to run out. You know, he's conservative with laundry for a second.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Joe]

I think that one of the things that could be taken from this. What was the Reddit thread on this? Is it a listener?

[Morgan]

Do we know it is coming from R relationships.

[Frank]

Okay.

[Morgan]

It's 10 years old now.

[Joe]

10 years old. First of all, this was prime. Like, people doing things just to get be quirky on the Internet, which I guess still happens. 2. If nothing else, this shows that this person is committed, they are loyal, where that loyalty is. Maybe today it's placed in where's the beef? T shirts. Maybe tomorrow it's placed in the relationship. And then. How beautiful. Let me do this. Let me go.

[Frank]

I haven't said a word.

[Joe]

Pull in tight, please. If you could just play some sappy music. One day there will come a time where he finally takes that where's the beef?

[Frank]

Shirt off.

[Joe]

And it'll be a moment, a stepping stone in that relationship. Op, if you're listening, do you want to be that moment? Do you want to be the person that he takes off the wears the beef shirt for.

[Morgan]

Do you want to take that T

[Frank]

shirt off, Rip it off? Like, he wouldn't like that. He probably wouldn't like that at all.

[Morgan]

He's got 19 more. It's okay.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I mean, you get a little wild with one.

[Joe]

I don't. And I feel like this.

[Morgan]

You could donate these to him.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So then he's got 22.

[Frank]

I'm not 20. He doesn't need more. 20 shirts is like, how can that even be possible? Like, that's one for 20 days. You can wear the same shirt and not do laundry.

[Joe]

I kind of respect it. Honestly. There's a level of dedication here that I am almost envious of. Like, they can just commit to one shirt. If anything, it makes going out and, you know, figuring out what to wear so much easier.

[Morgan]

I panic every time I have to get dressed.

[Joe]

What if, you know, like, I'm going out, where's the beef?

[Frank]

I'm on an island here. I. I'm going out, where's the beef? Also, how is this appropriate in, like, every setting? You know what I mean? What does he worry about? Wedding. He's got a Where's the beef? Under the tux, probably.

[Morgan]

He works in it, so he gets away with it for his job. Very casual. Very casual.

[Frank]

Very casual.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Frank]

Every day is where the. Where's the beef?

[Joe]

I. I feel like, you know, I understand why people can look at this and say, like, ew. What? I think this is a man that just wants to be loved for his T shirt collection, and it's getting in

[Frank]

the way of that. It's ironic. Something is getting in the way of this love that you seek, and it's the beef.

[Joe]

How can you look at this and not be in love with somebody? You got to love someone inside and out from the tip of their head.

[Frank]

The tip of their head.

[Joe]

Where is the tip of your head?

[Morgan]

Some people have pointy heads.

[Joe]

Yes, they do. I guess technically the tip of a head would be a chin.

[Morgan]

No, that's a chin.

[Frank]

That's not how that works. Why?

[Joe]

It's technically a tip.

[Morgan]

I feel like the tip is the

[Joe]

top, but the tip does not need to be the top.

[Frank]

That's the tippy top.

[Joe]

Would you say the tip of a needle is the top of the needle? No, it's the bottom of the needle.

[Frank]

What are we talking about?

[Joe]

Needle tip.

[Frank]

It's not the bottom. Why not?

[Morgan]

That's the plunger. The tip of the needle is where you put it into people.

[Joe]

No, but then they turn it upside down in order to use it properly. So that's. You just said it.

[Frank]

Turn it upside down.

[Joe]

Well, they. Well, they hold it in a specific manner that. For. For appropriate, proper usage, which means technically, when it is used properly, it is the bottom.

[Morgan]

Feel like you're doing a lot of gymnastics to make that work.

[Frank]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, I am.

[Frank]

I don't know how. How would you even react if you, like, went to a dude's house and he just had, like, the same. You know what that reminds me of? Remember in the movie Dodgeball where he goes to her house and she's got all unicorns and she, seemingly otherwise, is, like, normal, and you get like. Like, what is going on here?

[Morgan]

I mean, I would have asked on the third date. I'm very curious. So I'd have been like, what's the story? You got 20?

[Frank]

I would have asked on the first.

[Morgan]

What's the story? Well, you didn't know about, like.

[Joe]

No, because people wear quirk.

[Morgan]

Date number two. You could have asked me. Yeah.

[Frank]

But I'd be like, where's the beef, people? Yeah, it's the shirt.

[Joe]

People have quirks. You guys are missing the full picture here. This person.

[Frank]

This is beyond a quirk.

[Joe]

If they are loyal to their shirt,

[Morgan]

maybe it's a kink.

[Joe]

They are going to be loyal. Maybe. Maybe they keep it on when things get a little more intimate.

[Frank]

I am certain of that.

[Joe]

And then there's an answer to where's the beef? You know what I'm saying? Like, it fits every part of life.

[Frank]

And here it is.

[Morgan]

I'm excited.

[Joe]

Where's the beef?

[Frank]

And here it is.

[Morgan]

I'm excited for you to share in that glory with him.

[Joe]

Who am I sharing with?

[Frank]

What?

[Morgan]

You wear your shirt.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, I will tell you this. I'm going to go home and my wife is going to be like, first

[Morgan]

question I have, where'd you get that?

[Joe]

Why the shirt? Yeah. Thank you for this. This was really kind. I know how I'm gonna give it a go. Should we wear it out of here? No.

[Frank]

Come on.

[Joe]

No.

[Frank]

I'm just gonna commit to just in my apartment at first, just to try it out and see if the beast takes over me.

[Morgan]

It can also just be like a sleep shirt or literally a donation shirt that you just then feel really good about.

[Joe]

See, I am big on gifts, and I will.

[Morgan]

They're yelling at us. We gotta go.

[Joe]

I know. I'm sorry.

[Frank]

Yeah, that's not.

[Joe]

This will be forever in my home. This will get passed down to my grandchildren.

[Morgan]

Holy shit. Where can people listen to you? First like, thanks for coming on.

[Joe]

Thank you for having us.

[Frank]

Yes. Thank you so much.

[Morgan]

Where can people find you?

[Frank]

You can find us at the basement yard, YouTube and Spotify and wherever. You find podcasts all over the place.

[Morgan]

Everywhere.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

All of their links will be in the description. Super easy to find. Amazing podcast. Quirky, fun. You guys are quirky.

[Frank]

We're quirky.

[Morgan]

Not the shirt.

[Joe]

Like 2009 Zooeychanel.

[Frank]

I don't know for that course.

[Joe]

Yeah, probably not.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Frank]

But we're quirky.

[Morgan]

Thank you both.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Morgan]

Until next time, guys. Bye, Sam.