When the world is too much to bear, we go shopping. When we celebrate, we also go shopping. When we're bored or in search of distraction...you guessed it: we shop. Conflicted feminists suffering from rampant consumerism? Perhaps, but it's also our form of meditation and imagination, of reconnecting with ancient rites of hunting and gathering. This episode about shopping – in New York City and Santa Fe – is a tribute to women. Firstly, the women who taught us to shop: our mothers. And it is a celebration of all the women artists and shopkeepers who valiantly – and we deeply value their vision and courage – immerse themselves in the beauty, the fabrics, the designs and personal expression that goes into stocking and staging their stores. We feature interviews with three NYC iconic owner/founders who have had their stores for 30 to 40 years: Luxor Tavela (who sadly passed away 2 years ago and whose artist husband, Jeffrey, is keeping it open!), founder of Paracelso in Soho; Vici of Muleh in Chelsea, NYC; and Rene of Rene on the Upper East Side of NYC. We also visit with Guadalupe Goler of Goler Shoes in Santa Fe. All of these women are artists, steeped in passion, creativity and care for their clients. All are immigrants who brought their love of fashion and their dreams to the U.S. All have had clients for many decades who are now bringing their daughters and granddaughters to these temples of style. We also include some tips on shopping New York City's iconic department store – Century 21 (which Idelisse calls 'the mother ship') and give listeners a quick rundown of some of the best older-women-fashionista sites and influencers. So let us take you with us to some of our favorite boutiques and shopping experiences and – whether you're bored, celebrating, looking for distractions or actually need clothes – please visit these amazing stores and artist-owners.

And we'd love to know about any special boutiques that you treasure – anywhere in the world – and also hope you take our style quiz to explore, a bit more, what you're saying when you get dressed. Enjoy!!

Visit these stores and be completely wow'ed! -

In New York City: Muleh 500 W 22nd St (W 20th St)

Paracelso 510 Broome Street (between 6th Ave and West Broadway)

Rene 927 Madison Avenue (between 73rd and 74th)

Century 21 Department Store 22 Cortlandt Street

In Santa Fe: Goler Shoes 125 East Palace Ave

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