Crater Lake, Oregon

Summary

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Podcast Summary: UFO Headquarters — Crater Lake, Oregon

Host: Linda Zimmermann & Michael Worden
Date: July 13, 2026
Episode Theme: Exploring bizarre and unnerving UFO and high-strangeness sightings at Crater Lake, Oregon, and surrounding areas, pulling from rare local sources and eyewitness accounts.

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1. Overview: Main Theme and Purpose

This episode centers on mysterious UFO activity around Crater Lake, Oregon—America’s deepest lake known for its striking blue color and volcanic origins. Hosts Linda Zimmermann and Michael Worden dive into little-known, high-strangeness incidents from the late 1970s, featuring direct and dramatic encounters, possible UFO hostility, lost time, potential injuries, and crossover with other phenomena. They analyze rare, locally-sourced accounts that haven’t made it into the mainstream UFO lore, drawing parallels between Oregon’s sightings and the hosts’ home turf in the Hudson Valley, NY.

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2. Key Discussion Points & Insights

a. Rediscovered Magazine and Its Local Connection

• Linda’s Discovery:
  • Linda describes stumbling upon a 1980 issue of Beyond Reality Magazine, published by Harry Bellett, a former Marine from Nanuet, NY — a neighborhood she personally knows.
  • The magazine prided itself on avoiding sensationalism, although even then misinformation was possible due to lack of instant fact-checking.
  • Old issues of Beyond Reality are found to be available on Internet archives for those searching out rarer case files.

b. Crater Lake UFO Incident – Main Eyewitness Account

([07:01] - [14:14])

• Eyewitnesses: Monroe Dixon (music teacher) and Jack Morgan (math teacher), both young, trustworthy educators.
• Sequence of Events:
  • While fishing on Crater Lake, a massive, circular UFO ("as big as a city block") covered in flashing lights surprises them from behind.
  • A beam of white light shoots at Dixon when he lifts his Minolta camera to take a photo; camera destroyed, Dixon’s arm badly burned and temporarily paralyzed.
  • The craft moves to low altitude, hovers, opens a porthole emitting blinding light that creates a visible hole on the lake’s surface, and something descends into the water.
  • Craft ascends silently and vanishes northeast at great speed.
• Notable Quote:
  “It was an object, circular, with lots of little flashing lights around the edges. It was huge. I’d say as big as a city block.” — Monroe Dixon ([08:03])
• Physical Effects: Both witnesses left physically and emotionally shaken. Dixon’s burns required hospital treatment; neither could control their boat’s engine during the sighting—a detail echoing many global UFO cases.

c. Patterns and Contextual Events

([14:14] - [23:49])

• Equipment Interference:
  • Cameras and engines are disabled during encounters.
  • Recurrent case theme: “Usually just the cameras don’t work. But hold that thought, because something happened three weeks earlier…” — Linda Zimmermann ([14:58])
• Previous Hostility:
  • Three weeks earlier, at the same lake, a fisherman attempts to shoot a craft with a .308 rifle; he is paralyzed by a beam of light, his gun drops into the lake, and he suffers burns ([19:51]).
  • The hosts speculate that the UFO’s aggressive targeting of the Minolta camera may have been a response to a perceived threat—linking the two cases.

d. Additional Area Sightings

([18:29] - [29:57])

• Nearby Highway 224, Estacada, and Eagle Creek:
  • Daylight sighting: Warren Parker reports an intensely bright, swiftly moving object rising into the clouds near Eagle Creek, Oregon ([18:49]).
  • Pam Ledford (Estacada) reports repeated (six times) close encounters with UFO lights at night; others see high-intensity beams, stationary “machines” flashing lights at each other.
  • Common local speculation: UFOs may recharge near high-voltage power lines, an echo of many Hudson Valley reports.
• Editor’s Note (Clackamas County News, paraphrased): There’s something real going on here—too many serious witnesses, and a worldwide conspiracy of pranksters is unlikely.

e. “Shooting at UFOs?” – Local Folklore and Continuing Patterns

([30:22] - [34:47])

• Humorous and Cautionary Tone:
  • A local doctor (“Mr. X”) admits in 1978 to shooting at a glowing orange UFO over his lawn:
    “I am kind of like my dog. I am territorial.” ([33:01])
  • Community column urges: Don’t shoot at UFOs; “they could be ages ahead of us in science and technology.”
  • Odd anecdote about “Mr. X” sleeping on the floor while a guest shares the bedroom with his wife after another sighting.
  • Pattern: UFOs respond to perceived threats by neutralizing the threat (dropping guns/cameras, temporary paralysis).

f. Crater Lake’s Deeper Mysteries & Folkloric Context

([37:27] - [47:11])

• Indigenous Lore:
  • Klamath tribe viewed Crater Lake as a spiritual gateway between good and evil forces, linking modern USO/UFO activity with age-old legends.
• Other High-Strangeness:
  • WWII legend of vanished torpedo bomber (no documented crash, likely myth).
  • 1997: Multiple witnesses (including private pilots) see bright discs chased by fighter jets with sonic boom.
  • Numerous Bigfoot sightings, one account of rangers being pelted with pine cones by the creature.
  • Local tales of lake monsters—giant creatures observed below the water’s surface.
• Cold-Case Mystery:
  • Story of photographer Charles McCullough, who vanished in January 1975 during deep snow; his partial remains found 18 months later, 12 miles from trailhead, without logical explanation (hypothermia, animal attack, and foul play all considered, none conclusive).

g. Reflection & Parallels to Hudson Valley Cases

([48:21] - End)

• Hosts note strong similarities to Hudson Valley’s own high-strangeness:
  • “It hits upon so many of our Hudson Valley markers… checking all the boxes.” — Michael Worden ([48:35])
  • The rarity of these cases underscores the importance of preserving local, semi-forgotten sources and testimony.
• Upcoming Episode Tease:
  • Next episode will be a “Ufology Wish List”—listeners are invited to submit what rare files, archives, or cases they most wish would be found or saved.

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On UFO Response to Threats:

  “This is why we can’t have nice things. And this is why the aliens don’t reveal themselves.” — Linda Zimmermann ([20:19])

• On Psychological Realism:

  “I must have sat there staring with my mouth wide open for three full minutes, not believing what I was seeing.” — Unnamed fisherman ([19:55])

• On Humorous Local Attitudes:

  “I am kind of like my dog. I am territorial.” — Local doctor who shot at a UFO ([33:01])

• On Evidence and Skepticism:

  “I love when people say you have absolutely no evidence. So based on my complete lack of evidence, I’m telling you what happened.” — Linda Zimmermann ([47:35])

• On Why These Accounts Matter:

  “It’s not the 8 millionth rendition of Rendlesham Forest... this is information you’re finding that’s not mainstream.” — Michael Worden ([48:18])

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4. Timestamps for Important Segments

• [07:01] – Begin main Crater Lake encounter narrative (Dixon & Morgan)
• [14:14] – Immediate analysis & parallels to other lake/UFO encounters
• [19:51] – Earlier gun incident; direct UFO response to threat
• [23:49] – Further breakdown; “removing the threat” theme
• [27:30] – Area power line encounters, editor’s skeptical-optimistic note
• [33:01] – “Territorial” shooting anecdote, community advice
• [37:27] – Crater Lake folklore, Bigfoot, and lake monster stories
• [41:23] – The case of Charles McCullough: strangeness of his disappearance and remains
• [48:18] – Hosts’ reflections on rarity/similarity of these “dustbin” UFO cases
• [49:23] – Tease of the next episode: “Ufology Wish List”

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5. Tone and Language

The hosts blend investigative seriousness with light-hearted banter, self-aware geek culture references, and a healthy dose of dark humor. They maintain open-minded skepticism and respect for both witnesses and the audience, frequently highlighting the weirdness, humanity, and sometimes the absurdity of the stories. Parallels with Hudson Valley sightings are drawn naturally, creating an inviting tone for both newcomers and seasoned enthusiasts.

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6. Episode Takeaways

• Crater Lake, Oregon is a hotspot for dramatic, high-strangeness events, including UFO encounters involving physical injuries, missing time, equipment malfunctions, and water phenomena.
• Witnesses include credible locals: teachers, professionals, and long-term area residents, often reticent to go public.
• The area’s deep folklore, Bigfoot sightings, alleged lake monsters, and unsolved disappearances create a “perfect storm” of paranormal mystery reminiscent of other world-famous clusters.
• Patterns across cases suggest UFOs respond non-lethally but decisively to human threats — reminding listeners not to “shoot at UFOs.”
• These locally sourced, non-mainstream stories may offer “hidden gems” crucial for deeper understanding of the phenomenon.

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Next Episode Preview: Submit your “Ufology Wish List” of rare or lost files you wish could be found—an episode dedicated to untangling and preserving the forgotten threads of high strangeness.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

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[A]

Hudsonriverradio.com this is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters. Welcome to UFO Headquarters.

[B]

Welcome to UFO headquarters. That opening never gets old. The music, the voice. Wow. Linda, how are you doing?

[C]

I'm doing well, except for going to the dentist for a couple of hours today, getting a cap replaced. Oh, joy.

[B]

That does not sound like fun.

[C]

No, but I have control of my mouth and lips again, which is nice because, you know when you get the Novocaine and you're drooling all over yourself. So hopefully I'm coherent.

[B]

Well, we'll have to let you know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, you let me know. So you know me. I love going through old books and stuff and one of these ridiculously hot days. A week or two ago, I remembered I had bought a box of magazines somewhere at a. I don't know if it was a convention or a flea market. And I said, you know, I should go through those. And I picked up a magazine from 1980. It was called Beyond Reality Magazine. It was a special. They had UFO Update specials a couple of times a year. And I was like, this, this is great. I wish I knew about this, you know, back in the late 70s, early 80s. And I happened to look and I was like, wonder where they published it? The publisher, editor was in Nanuet, New York.

[B]

Well, that's a place you're very familiar with.

[C]

I'm very familiar with that. I apparently lived about 2 1/2 minutes from this guy. I never heard of this magazine. I would have loved to been able to write articles for this years years ago. And the other thing that I saw. So I looked him up and seemed like a decent guy. He said, we always try to Err, on the side of caution in our magazine, we're not going to publish just purely sensational things, you know, like the Inquirer and so which doesn't mean everything is right in the magazine. In fact, right off the bat, I found a thing that was proven to be a hoax. But you know, back in 1979, you didn't jump on the Internet and see what everyone was saying about a topic. And the one thing he also did was he was a Marine and had been a Marine and he started a Marine Corps magazine called New Breed. My dad read New Breed. I remember how excited my dad would be every month or two, whatever it was, when he got his New Breed magazine. And I used to have his whole collection, which unfortunately burned in the fire. But so here's this. I mean, what a small world. What are the chances? So he has all sorts of subject and if you can pick up, you know, the old volumes are available. And also on Internet arc, I think it's called Archive and Scribed. You can get a lot of these PDF versions of the magazines and they're worth going through because the story we're going to talk about tonight I can't find in any other resource. It just. So this might have been a one and done. They interviewed these guys and that was it. So it's not quite a dustbin of ufology episode, but it is in a way. So we're going to be talking about Crater Lake, Oregon and a couple of other places in Oregon from this article. And I usually don't just read an article, but it's well done, so I will do that. But why don't we take our first break and then get back into Crater Lake? Hudsonriverradio.com.

[A]

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[B]

Refreshers contain caffeine.

[C]

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[B]

We are back and about to jump into Crater Lake. And I gotta tell you, Linda, when, when you mentioned Crater Lake, the first thing that came to my nerdy brain was the disappearance of Judge Crater back in like the 60s. Have you remember that case?

[C]

Yes. They never found him.

[B]

Nope. So it's obscure knowledge out there in my brain, folks.

[C]

Oh, one thing I did forget to mention the publisher. His name was Harry Bell. I think I've tracked one of his son. He's passed away, but I've tracked one of his sons, I think to a Miami address. So if anybody in the Rockland area knew him, I'd love to find out if his files still exist.

[B]

Oh, that would be something to get your hands on.

[C]

Yes. Yes. So anyway, that's Harry Bellett, B E L I L of Nanuets. So, okay, let's get into Crater Lake. So I'm just going to read it as written. It's surprisingly well written for one of these. You know, some of these magazines you pick up, it's like, oh boy. Okay, so it starts out with it came up from behind us suddenly, that unholy thing. That's why we didn't see it right away. The man squirmed uneasily in the chair as the doctor finished dressing his badly burned hand and arm. I sat in the corner of the hospital's emergency room, listening intently along with the other reporters as Mr. Monroe Dixon finished relating his bizarre experience. At first I noticed a dark shadow slowly pass over our boat. They are fishing out on Crater Lake. You do not want to see a dark shadow passing over your boat. And I mentioned this to Jack here, he went on, pointing to the man seated next to him. Jack Morgan nodded his affirmation at his companion's description and interrupted. I turned slowly at first, thinking that Monroe was joking. Mr. Dixon took a deep breath and continued. Well, it was an object, circular, with lots of little flashing lights around the edges. It was huge. I'd say as big as a city block. By this time the doctor had finished cautioning his patient to rest his arm for about a week when the bandages could be removed. The whole thing was weird, unlike any story I'd ever covered. And I've covered, covered some bizarre stories in my time. Mentally, I went over what I already knew. The two men were high school teachers. Morgan taught math and Dixon music appreciation. Both were unmarried, very young, barely out of college, themselves good friends. They had decided to spend the summer vacation camping out and fishing. I raised my hand to ask a question. Just how did that happen? I said, pointing to Monroe Dixon's newly bandaged arm. Well, after my initial shock, I grabbed my camera, an expensive Minolta, which has, I mean, had a telephoto lens, and aimed it at the crazily moving craft about 200 yards away from our motorboat. Suddenly this beam of white light flashed out of a small protruding porthole and shot some sort of beam at me the next thing I knew, my camera was in the water, telephoto lens and all, and was sinking quickly out of sight. What was more, I couldn't move my arm. It was, though it had suddenly become paralyzed and terribly scorched. Now the other man picked up on the story. I was sitting in the rear near the motor and had been using the oars so as not to scare the fish away. We'd been looking forward to this particular weekend of fishing at Crater Lake for some time. I knew Crater Lake. I'd researched the area before flying out to Oregon the very same afternoon when I was handed an assignment to interview two men who had an encounter with a UFO at Crater Lake. The extraordinarily blue lake, located in Crater Lake national park is the deepest lake in the United States at 1932ft. That's ridiculously deep for a lake. I believe it's now 1949ft. Had to look up, so 70, but still almost a 2,000 foot deep lake.

[B]

The thought of being in a boat on top of the water with that underneath you, to me, it just makes me kind of sketched out to be like, yeah, just the thought of it being that deep.

[C]

And wait till you hear everything else that goes on at Cradle Lake, like UFO discs the size of a city block burning your arm. It rests in the crater of a former volcano, encircled by lava walls 500 to 2,000ft high. They're really sheer cliffs that unfortunately people try to take selfies and pictures and, you know, fall over, I guess, on a regular basis. The lake itself is six miles in diameter, and the fish, I'm told, are plentiful, especially during the middle to late summer months. Morgan at this point picked up on the story. I became so frightened that I lost one of the oars and couldn't start the outboard motor. I tried and tried over and over again, but it just refused to turn over. We were just watched in fascinated awe as the craft, silvery colored and as bright as a mirror reflected in the afternoon sun, glided down to about 75ft off the surface of the water. We sat there really dumbfounded watching, hypnotized as a round door or porthole of sorts, opened from the very bottom of the craft to expose a blinding light which made us turn away. The pair went on to say that where this light had glistened on the surface of the lake, it created a round hole, as though it bore a hole right through the water of the lake. Something sort of floated down the beam of light and descended into the hole in the water. As the door at the bottom of the craft slowly closed again, the duo were able to get a better view. The hole was gone now, and the craft itself was steadily rising off the water. Higher and higher it climbed without making a sound as it reached an altitude of about 300ft. It says in parentheses. Each of the men differed in their estimation of the altitude by some 50ft. It stopped in midair, hovered for a few moments, and the strange pulsating lights suddenly came to life once more as a big red light at the top of the thing started to rotate. And then in a matter of seconds, it just flashed out of sight, heading towards the northeast. The two men left the hospital. I grabbed a quick cup of coffee so that I could put my notes in order, but I think we should stop at this point. Have a little to unpack here, do we?

[B]

Not just a bit

[C]

beam of what was the. They really didn't want him to take a picture or they didn't know what it was he was pointing at them. Which we will see has some bearing in a little while, but. Score. We've heard about people getting burned, scorched. The interest in the water.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Your thoughts on that.

[B]

I don't recall ever having something similar, though, where a camera is sort of, you know, the not wanting to take a picture. That's. At least. That's unique to me. I don't know. Maybe we have other ones. I can't remember. But.

[C]

No, usually just the cameras don't work. But hold that thought because something happened three weeks earlier that we should talk about in a little bit. But just. You know, I wish I had a dollar for every person who told me they were in a rowboat or a motorboat out on a lake and something came over, you know, the top. You. There was a one in Putnam county where it was a guy and his son, and they're trying to row like mad to get away from this craft over them. They're rowing and rowing, but the boat is not moving.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's absolutely terrifying.

[C]

Yeah. And here the guy draw. I mean, it's so believable. He's so nervous. He drops an. Or he can't get the motor started, which, you know, like car engines, people are trying to restart their cars to get away and they don't start. But. Yeah, I thought that was. You know, there's the one in. Oh, boy. I'm drawing. Drawing a blank. The one in the Canadian lake where the guy got the. The grid pattern burned on him.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Wow. I'm having a senior Moment there.

[B]

I can't remember the case.

[C]

Yeah, I know you're talking about. Everybody's out there yelling, hey, stupid, we've covered the case. I've talked about it. A but yeah, people do get burned. But this seemed to be deliberate, you know, deliberate beam, which makes it stand

[B]

out a little bit more, I think. Not just like the inadvertent getting burned because you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[C]

Right.

[B]

To see this.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. So let me continue with the article and I think we will be able to explain why the craft shot that beam of light at the guy. I had a nice Minolta camera with a telephoto back then, so I know the pain it must have been of losing it. Those were, you know, 35 millimeter cameras and especially good lenses for them. It was an expensive hobby. Okay, so this is the back to the reporter talking. That Vivian Shoster, a fellow reporter called me that night and asked me to meet her. I climbed behind the wheel of the car I'd hired and zoomed through the light early evening traffic at her apartment. She filled me in. In further details she read from the wire service report from the Clackamas, Oregon newspaper this week. A Milwaukee man, Warren Parker, spotted a swift, moving, brightly illuminated object rising above him as he drove east to estacada on Highway 224. That's. I have a map which I cannot show people on the air, but I think it's several hours to the north, still in the western part of Oregon. Parker, the report stated, had just passed the bridge over Eagle Creek when he saw two flashing strobe lights rising high in the sky. Intrigued, the man said he watched the craft travel through the crowds at clouds at great speed. The lights, he said, were so intense that he could still see them after it entered the cloud cover. They were either very thin clouds or very bright lights, he told the newsmen later. Okay, that's an astute observation. Parker brought out that he waited for the object to show itself once again. If I could see it break out of the clouds, he said, I thought I would be able to tell if it was a plane or not. When it finally did emerge, the lights were so intense that Parker was unable to make out the outline of the object. He said the two white lights flashed in unison, and the craft seemingly wasn't moving extraordinarily fast, maybe at the speed of a jet. Asked what he thought it had been, he said, I can't say. Only that I don't know what it was. So Here, at the same time period where the Crater Lake incident was happening a few hours away, somebody else is seeing a huge. You know, again, the light so intense.

[B]

And this is what, only about three weeks before?

[C]

No, this was within days.

[B]

Okay, a day or two.

[C]

The other one, yeah. However, now, some three weeks before.

[B]

That's okay.

[C]

That's where this comes in. I think this explains trying to fry the Minolta. Some three weeks before the Morgan Dixon incident, an Eagle Creek man out fishing on Crater Lake took potshots at an unidentified craft that seemed to suddenly come out of the water a hundred yards from me. He said, yikes.

[B]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[C]

And this is why the aliens don't reveal themselves. The man who was unidentified in the newspaper account said his first instinct was to get out of the area and back to shore as quickly as possible. But when I tried to start the engine of my boat, she just wouldn't turn over. It was completely dead. Same thing. Same thing as the other ones. The man said he'd brought along his.308 Magnum. I had heard reports of brown bear in the area, which can be dangerous even when unprovoked. I was out in mid lake when suddenly I saw this. I guess you'd call it a UFO, hovering above the waterline approximately 300 yards from me. I must have sat there staring with my mouth wide open for three full minutes, not believing what I was seeing. And when I came to my senses, the hackles rising on the back of my neck, I knew I had to beat it the hell out of there and fast. I started the outboard, but the damned thing just wouldn't turn over. Again and again I tried, but the engine just wouldn't kick. All the while, this object, about as big as a large house and silvery, with a mirror shine to it, just like the one three weeks later, smaller but silvery mirror shine. It started coming closer and closer, and when it was about 100 yards from me, I aimed the.308 and was about to depress the trigger when this solid beam of white light shot out from some sort of porthole that slid open suddenly in the thing's body and shot this ray, this beam of white light directly at me. The next thing I knew, the gun fell overboard. It just slid out of my grip as though I had absolutely no control of any of my muscles. It sank out of sight. Immediately, before I knew it, the craft, which I guess is what it was, rose from the water. It didn't seem to be touching the water, just hovering there Sort of like the hovercraft they used in Vietnam, and climbed straight up, much like a helicopter, without making a solitary sound. And then it simply disappeared through a maze of afternoon clouds, gradually picking up as it rose. So this is a daylight sighting, too. This isn't some bizarre, mysterious lights and clouds.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Daylight sighting a hundred yards from the guy.

[B]

And I'm thinking of the mindset to bring a rifle to like a laser gun fight here. But how fascinating it is that he witnesses this craft, you know, something open the beam, come down and then sort of just like out of his hands. Not violent, not like trying to injure, but just sort of out of his hands, removing the threat and getting it away from him.

[C]

Yeah, like the other guy, he's. His arm was just paralyzed in the camera. So there's probably all kinds of things at the bottom of Trailer Lake. So without, let's see, gradually picked up speed as it rose, without even knowing how, I crawled to the back of the boat and started the engine. It kicked over quite normally now without any effort. It was when I looked down and noticed my left hand and part of my right arm had been burned. The man said he doesn't know what he was aiming at with his Magnum out there on Crater Lake, but whatever it was an alien craft or whatever, it was certainly not of this world. I mean, I think the craft knew this guy's aiming a rather potent handgun. They zap it, and three weeks later, some guys lifting something up with what maybe looks like a big round barrel at them and this. I think that kind of. I was just thrilled when I read that. I was like, okay, that is so cool.

[B]

Yeah. And what's the likelihood to have both of those events, you know, three weeks apart, being very similar, you know, holding an object and one being a gun, the other looking what could look like a gun, I guess.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And, you know, having it fall out of the hands, both in the same

[C]

kind of way, and both guys getting burned. And the burns, I wish someone had done some sort of radiation or chemical test. What was the nature of. Of that beam that burned them? Fortunately, there's no follow up in this, but I thought those two Crater Lake cases were amazing. And I do want to go over some more things about. I mentioned Estacada, and the article also has Pam Ledford of Estacada, this. This incident now happened in February of 79. Said she didn't want to talk about the thing she's seen, but changed her mind after reading some of the recent UFO accounts published in the Clackamas County News. Mrs. Ledford, who maintains she's seen the same UFO on six different occasions, said, I used to just tell my husband, but when I started reading about them in the newspaper, I decided to step forward. I thought, that's good. Now that all these UFO hearings are going on and people are in Congress, people are feeling emboldened to come out. So, and particularly in 79, you know, you weren't going to really open your mouth too much. So Mrs. Ledford of the Dodge District had driven home from choir practice one recent evening at the Barton Community Church. So we got a church lady here on one occasion. She observed two yellowish spotlights. Like many of the other eagle Creek sightings, Mrs. Ledford had seen the lights between 11pm and 1am a.m. sometimes she's been able to make out a darker outline of an object behind the lights. It would seem that UFO activity in the Estacada and Eagle Creek areas of Oregon is far from a new phenomenon. Many residents have been seeing strange lights in the skies over these counties for many, many years. Beside the UFO reported in the water of Crater Lake national park, quite a number have been reported in the area, extending roughly from the intersection of Highway 224 and 211. So you can Google that area. So a lot of sightings. Some residents feel certain these alien craft are tapping into the high voltage power lines to recharge their batteries or whatever it takes to keep them in flight. One resident, Pat Adamson, who resides within a block of the power lines, said, we've seen some strange things around here on several occasions. He says he'd watched as two stationary craft seemed to flash beams of white light back and forth. The craft would vary their position and altitudes as they continued to aim beams of light at one another. Adamson said, I knew there was two machines up there. I guess anything is possible in this universe. So that also rang a bell about all the UFOs in the Hudson Valley seen hovering over power lines, the big electrical towers. Again, a very, very common thing. As to the many sightings in the Estacada and Eagle Creek area, a recent editor's note in the Clackamas County News summed up, while we haven't read the great body of available UFO literature, we tend to believe there is indeed something out there. We don't honestly believe there is a worldwide conspiracy of practical jokers working on this one. Maybe it's a hopeful sign the Americans, Russians and all the rest of the nations may be centuries away from building a peaceful world. The intervention of a foreign power 6 million light years away may be what it takes. In any event, we will have to wait and see. That reminded me of Reagan's speech in the un I was just going to say that. Oh, go ahead.

[B]

No, go ahead. Because I think. Think it's fascinating when he said, you know, he could envision that a. Essentially an alien threat to the earth would unite all of the nations of the world to fight it because our petty differences would mean nothing. It would be an existential threat. So I think that's. I kind of like the message of that there, though.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. And that. That's right. You know, and look at the state of the world. The US and the Russians still not so close.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So. Yeah. So I have one more part of an article and then I have some other things to talk about after the next break. But I found this and I went to the Clackamas County News of Estacada. This is a. February 14th, 1979. I'm gonna. Now, do you remember the episode we did about people shooting at UFOs? Yes, yes. I don't remember the name. It's probably called people shooting at UFOs. But I wish I had known this story for that. February 14, 1979. Eagle Creek man fires shotgun blast at UFO Two weeks ago, a reader phoned our office and asked us if we could urge our readers to not to shoot at UFOs in Eagle Creek, Sydney. Mort suggested in this column that firing at a UFO could turn out to be a serious business, as any beings capable of. Capable of sending UFOs to this planet could be ages ahead of us in science and technology. Don't do it, said Mort. We have since learned. So they're wondering, well, why is he calling us and saying, tell your readers not to shoot at UFOs? So they did a little digging. We have since learned that an Eagle Creek resident took a potshot at a low hovering UFO last summer. So that would have been summer of 78. The result was most interesting as the man leveled his shotgun and squeezed off a shot. The glowing orange ball above his lawn disappeared. The person who fired on the UFO refused to be named in print. I found out he was a. He was a doctor. And I think I found his name, but I won't say it anyway. He is a professional man trained to think in scientific and practical terms. He is respected by the Eagle Creek community and is generally thought to be an astute observer of his surroundings. Asked why he shot at the UFO, Mr. X said, I am kind of like my Dog. I am territorial. Is that great?

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Okay.

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I mean, what more reason do you need?

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Get off my lawn.

[B]

Yeah. Alien takes it to a whole another level.

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Now this. This should have had some extra explanation. Tell me what's wrong with this next couple of lines. A guest of Mr. X and his wife saw the same object one evening and became alarmed. The next evening, Mr. X suggested that his guest sleep with his wife in the bedroom while he slept in the living. On the living room floor. And the hovering object made its appearance again. Yeah, you're making a face there.

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Yeah, I just. There's a lot to really unpack there, which I don't think this is the. This is the podcast to do it in.

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I would assume that the guest was a female because I had to read that twice. I'm like, wait, what? Yeah, go. You're scared. Go sleep with my wife. See you in the morning. So we will assume it was a female guest.

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I think that's a safe assumption.

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So Mr. X doesn't know what he shot out, shot at, but suggested that if he had bagged the orange light on the lawn that night, it might have become the area's most intriguing hunting trophy. They wouldn't have had anything at the Safari Club to top that one. He said,

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oh, wow.

[C]

I mean, you've got to love this.

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I. I think the. The whole premise of the article, really. No one should have to be told not to shoot at a ufo.

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Yeah, but they really, they really do. I mean, you know, so he had shot at a UFO summer of 78. So then you have the guy on Crater Lake in 79 trying to shoot, you know, with his pistol, and then the guy trying to take a photo and being perceived as a threat. So. Wow. Whole lot moving and shaking over in Oregon in the late 70s.

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I think I'm going to need a break after the whole guest and the housewife thing. The wife still on that? Yeah. You kind of. I can handle UFOs, everything else. I just completely short circuited now for a moment.

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Yeah, so, like, if an old friend from college comes by and, you know, go sleep with my wife, I'll sleep on the floor. No, no. Yeah. So why don't we take a break and then I have a few tidbits to go over. This is HudsonRiverRadio.com your local Rockland county station.

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Refreshers contain caffeine. This is hudsonriverradio.com. Okay, I am gonna give a shout out to my youngest son, Linda, who

[C]

always says, your youngest son, Linda.

[B]

But no, my youngest son. Okay. Who whenever I get too goofy, says, dad, take things seriously.

[C]

Your son tells you that?

[B]

Yeah, dad, take things seriously. That's how I know I'm annoying him and have to stop. And I realize I have to take the rest of this seriously. And I'm ready.

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Okay, Brian, I will. If you'd like to chime in on the whole, if your guest is frightened, have him go sleep with your wife. Any comments? Nope. No comment.

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And we're back.

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All right. We will try to all take the rest of this seriously, although it's generally difficult. All right, so some points in the crater lake is this cool looking island. They call it wizard island because it looks like a wizard's hat pointy thing 763ft sticking out of the lake. It's an old cinder cone. A lot of weird stories about what goes on on Wizard Island. The Klamath tribe, who the native Americans in that area, thought the lake was a doorway between the good spirits above and the bad spirits below. The good spirit of Skell and the bad spirit of Laos. So it's just interesting they considered it a doorway between worlds because maybe they were seeing USOs as well. You know, the one guy who sitting in the boat and the comes out of the lake.

[B]

Right.

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I suspect. Yeah, I suspect other people have seen things. Maybe they've been coming out of the lake for a long, long time. There is a popular story that in 1944, two Grumman torpedo planes were flying over and one just vanished into thin air. It's a very popular legend. Apparently there is absolutely no evidence of two Grumman torpedo planes, one disappearing in 44. However, there have been some crashes, but nothing really inexplicable. On February 4, 1997, witnesses on the ground and a private jet pilot in the air saw three bright disks moving very fast with fighter jets in pursuit and people heard a sonic boom. So I don't know if the jets went supersonic trying to chase this thing. So that was numerous. Witnesses saw that. I have to mention all things weird going on there. Lots of Bigfoot sightings going way back. Supposedly one Bigfoot was hit by a train and whoever the engineer was afraid to report it because he thought you know, maybe they'd think I was drunk or something. Park rangers apparently followed a Bigfoot through the woods and they commented on the terribly bad smell, which is a common thing with the Bigfoot, until it started throwing pine cones at them. So he could have used rocks. He or she, you know, it could have used rocks, but it was pine cones, like, yes, stop following me before, you know, I pick you up and throw you 20ft.

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It sounds like he took the, the gentle approach to start.

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Yes, yes. And they paid attention to that. The Klamath tribe believed there were monsters in the lake. I don't know if it was the Loch Ness monster type, but some woman in a rowboat claimed that a dark creature about the length of a city block went under her boat when she was out there. Some people say she wasn't reliable. Some people say they've also seen things. Another thing you don't want to have happen when you're sitting in a boat is something large and dark moving under you. No, no, no. And then one other thing. This may be a crossover for the murder podcast, but this is very strange. 1975, 19 year old man from Virginia, Charles McCullough, went to Oregon to visit friends. He left his car at home, his Volkswagen. He didn't drive. He flew out there and I guess rented a car. He was very much into photography and if you look up Crater Lake, you'll see it is just gorgeous scenery. And this was late January of 75, so it would have been surrounded in snow, would have been beautiful. However, they had just gotten about seven and a half feet of fresh snow. Now, I used to snowshoe a lot, and unless a trail has been made, even in snowshoes, you are not going far and you're not going fast in seven and a half feet of fresh powder. I mean, you're not. He had no snowshoes, no skis, no anything. So he was not going to get far. I would imagine if he had any sense, he would just stand at the trailhead and, you know, an overlook, take pictures or whatever. He never was seen again. The FBI looked into it and they usually don't look into missing persons cases generally, but for some reason they looked into this. The poor father camped at Crater Lake all summer long searching for his son. It wasn't until 18 months later, October of 76, hikers made a wrong turn and found themselves in some remote ravine. And they found a backpack. And in the backpack were keys to a Volkswagen which fit McCuller's car back in Virginia. So it was his Backpack. Then they found. They told rangers and everything. This is what they found. Propped up on a log, a pair of jeans. The belt had been opened. The jeans were unbuttoned, and in the pair of jeans were broken off shin bones. There were some socks at the bottom of the jeans with some foot bones in the socks. And just the top of the skull was 12ft away. What was never found was his boots, his camera, and no money in the pockets. So no money, no camera, no boots. Now people say, well, he must have gotten hypothermia. And you start tearing your clothes off because you. Right, there's.

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Yeah, that. Terminal hypothermia.

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Yes, yes. But where his remains were found was 12 miles from the trailhead. Absolutely no way in hell did he walk there. And an animal. Are animals going to drag a body 12 miles over rugged. They're just going to eat it. Where you find it?

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From the description, when I thought the hypothermia. But you said there was shin bones in the. The pants, which made me wonder, did he encounter, you know, a bear attack? That certainly a bear can. Can. Depending on the size and the paw. I mean, they can shatter bones. It could have been a severe attack, knocked him out of his shoes. But why would a bear drag him 12 miles? I was assuming, not knowing the outcome, it was going to be relatively close.

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But that's why I sprung that on

[B]

you at the end. And like you said, he's not walking 12 miles in deep snow.

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No, it's physically impossible. And animals wouldn't have dragged him there. And I thought that was very interesting. His jeans were unbuttoned and the belt was open. That I thought was kind of odd. And, yeah, certainly animals scavenging his remains could have spread bones, you know, all around, but they wouldn't have dragged the body 12 miles and then ate it in that snow or even waiting for it to thaw in the spring or whatever. So that is one of the bizarre mysteries. What does it have anything to do with the bigfoots and the UFOs and the crashes and maybe not. Maybe it has. Maybe that's just part of the whole weirdness. But if you look up Crater Lake strangeness, that's one of the things that always comes up. So the father and the brother of McCulloch thought he had been murdered, his camera stolen, and then, like in the spring, someone dragged his body to the most remote area and dumped it. But I read this indignant article that said there is absolutely no evidence of foul play. There's no evidence of Anything paranormal. Clearly, it was hypothermia that killed him. You got that from the broken shin bones and the top of the skull.

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Yeah. That seems like a big stretch. I mean, you can say there's no evidence of foul play, but I would say that really, based upon what you do have, it's hard to draw any conclusions whether it was hypothermia, he, you know, an accident, he fell and broke his neck, or I don't know, but.

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Right, right.

[B]

Conclusively say it was hypothermia.

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I love when people say you have absolutely no evidence. So based on my complete lack of evidence, I'm telling you what happened.

[B]

So undetermined would be the best, I think. Description.

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Yeah. Yes. So anyway, that is the weirdness of Crater Lake. And I can't find anything else about that. That particular story. The two men with the. With the Minolta camera. The other one is in, you know, so I did try to look up and verify. I found some of the names of some of the people. They did really exist. So, yeah, there are gems in these dustbins of.

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Yeah.

[C]

Ufology out there and the fact that

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it's not known outside of that. But this is information that you're finding that's not mainstream, so to speak, that everybody's talking about.

[C]

Right, right. It's not the 8 millionth rendition of Rendlesham Forest.

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Yes. And it's. And it. And it hits upon so many of our Hudson Valley markers and the. The things that we've seen up here. It's just checking. Checking all the boxes.

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Yeah, yeah, it really is. So. Yeah. So I will continue to go through more of these. These magazines, see if I can find any other little hidden gems. And I had mentioned at the beginning of the episode this Harry Belle, I'd love to find if he has. His files were left somewhere. And I was talking to Mr. Burns who he was saying, I wish we could find this. I wish we could find that. So I said, how about the August episode? We do our wish list.

[B]

I like that idea.

[C]

So if listeners have something they would love to be able to find, send it in, we'll mention it. And Mike, if there's something archive or person or photograph, make up a wish list. I'm going to have a list and we're going to do. Yes, our ufology wish list. Because there's. There's things still out there, you know, and I'd hate to see these things end up, you know, in the garbage or unrecognized for their importance.

[B]

Yeah. Which is what happens when especially older researchers have passed and the family just has zero interest in their work and doesn't value their notes? They may think, well, he. He already wrote about this stuff. And as you know, what we write about in our notes are two completely different animals. And having access to those notes is sometimes opening the treasure chest.

[C]

Yeah, that's an excellent point. You can only, you know, you can only write so much in the book, and a lot of these things probably have details that maybe the witness didn't want published at the time. There may be names, dates, locations. So. Yes. So we will send in your wish lists.

[B]

All right, let's do it.

[C]

All right, take us out.

[B]

Well, thank you for listening to UFO Headquarters. I'm Mike Warden with Linda Zimmerman. Get that wish list ready. It's not quite Christmas, but it's paranormal UFO Christmas. Until next time, keep your eyes on the sky. Hudsonriverradio.com.