Ep 1165 | Jase Forms a Battle Plan Against Evil in Our World

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family — Ep 1165

Title: Jase Forms a Battle Plan Against Evil in Our World
Release Date: September 15, 2025
Hosts: Phil, Al, Jase, Zach, Christian (guest)

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Overview

In this episode, the Robertson family dives deep into the nature of "the world" as discussed in 1 John and the Gospel of John. Jase leads the group in examining what it means for Christians to be "not of this world" and how believers are called to live differently by embodying the love, light, and truth of Jesus. The conversation connects rich biblical themes to practical daily living, all while highlighting the family's unique blend of humor and real-life wisdom from West Monroe, Louisiana.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Duck Call Debate & Family Dynamics

Timestamps: 01:17–17:50

• The episode opens with lighthearted banter and a “battle” about who can successfully blow a duck call, complete with demonstrations and gentle teasing.
• Jase emphasizes teaching thousands to use a duck call, highlighting that success is more about “learning something new with your body” than raw physical ability.
  • Jase: “Learning how to blow a duck call unique... it’s not about physical capabilities or practice. There’s something you do with your body you’ve never done before. If you never do it for the first time, you’re never going to figure it out.” (04:10–04:45)
• The analogy of “air from the diaphragm” and “pressurized air” is used to describe both duck calling and, later, spiritual matters.
• Laughter erupts as personal stories and failed attempts at duck calls are shared, creating a warm, accessible environment for listeners.

Notable moment:
Jase recounts a story about someone misunderstanding “hit it a lick on the other end” by literally hitting and licking the duck call. (09:16)

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2. Transition: From Ducks to Discipleship

Timestamps: 17:58–20:10

• The tone shifts as Jase pivots to the main spiritual discussion, returning to 1 John 2 and the problem of “the world.”
  • Jase: “That brings me to the point I never got to make... tackling this idea of the world... don’t be shocked if the world hates you.” (18:20)
• The Robertsons set up the biblical context for “the world,” noting it does not refer to creation itself but the sinful systems and desires that oppose God.

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3. Scriptural Exploration: Light, Love, and the World

Timestamps: 18:54–32:14

• The group unpacks 1 John 2:15–17 and John 15, focusing on:
  • The “cravings of sinful man, lust of the eyes, and pride of life” as the real enemies.
  • The biblical concept that having flesh doesn’t equate to sin; even Jesus became flesh without sinning.
• Emphasis on the command to love one another as Christ loved us.
  • Jase: “Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.” (20:24)
  • Al: “This has been the whole theme.” (21:52)
• The contrast between light and darkness, belonging to God versus the world, and the practical challenge of walking like Jesus.

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4. The Reality of Spiritual Warfare & Identity

Timestamps: 32:04–39:10

• The discussion turns to the spiritual battle for identity—being “of” the world vs “of” God.
• The story of Cain and Abel illustrates the consequences of being “of the evil one.”
  • “Don’t be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.” (1 John 3:13; echoed in John 15:18)
• The group stresses that passing “from death to life” is shown by loving others, which is evidence of spiritual transformation:
  • Jase: “Anyone who does not love remains in death.” (28:01)
• The conversation highlights that love must be demonstrated in action and truth, not just words.
  • Jase: “Let us not love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth.” (29:01)
• The presence of the Holy Spirit empowers believers to love and live as Jesus did.

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5. The Two Worlds: Engrossed or Transformed?

Timestamps: 39:10–52:25

• The Roberts explore Paul’s writings, especially 1 Corinthians 7 and Romans 12, elucidating:
  • Christians live in “a world within a world.”
  • The world’s “present form is passing away” (1 Corinthians 7:31) and believers are not to be “engrossed” in it.
    • Jase: “You can’t get engrossed in the world, because you’re not of the world.” (45:01)
  • Marriage and daily life have to be kept in perspective compared to undivided devotion to Christ.
• Romans 12:1–2 is read to underscore the need for transformed minds rather than conformity to the world.
• The group cautions against Gnosticism (falsely viewing the physical world as inherently evil), emphasizing that the world’s current broken state is not its final form.

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6. Hope and Mission: Shining as Lights

Timestamps: 52:25–end

• Jase shares a personal “aha moment” while flying, quoting Philippians 2:14–16:
  • Believers are called to “shine like stars in the universe”—or, more accurately, the “world.”
  • Jase: “You become the luminaries of the world.” (54:49)
• This motif connects to Revelation 21, where God’s people are radiant as the new creation.
• The episode closes with the reminder that the gift of the Holy Spirit enables believers to both withstand the world’s hate and testify to the truth:
  • Jase: “You’re going to be like a star in the world.” (58:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The primary way that we actually identify that we are housing the Holy Spirit is by our love. They’ll know we’re Christians by our love...”
  — Zach (33:56)
• “Duck hunting is the most legislated thing you can do in life. We have our rules, Al.”
  — Jase (35:14)
• “This is not about being a servant in this capacity, I’m calling you friends... laying down your life for your friends.”
  — Jase unpacking John 15 (28:55)
• “You become the luminaries of the world.”
  — Jase (54:49)
• “You can’t get engrossed in the world, because you’re not of the world.”
  — Jase (45:01)
• “The present form is not going to be the final form... God's temple is ever expanding.”
  — Zach (50:10, 56:15)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:17–17:50 – Duck calls, teaching, and family banter
• 18:20 – Transition to theme: Christians & “the world”
• 20:24–22:26 – Scriptural foundation: 1 John 2, John 15
• 28:01 – “Anyone who does not love remains in death.”
• 33:56 – Fruit of the Spirit and love as a test of Spirit-filled living
• 45:01 – Warning against being engrossed by the world
• 54:49 – Christians as “luminaries” in a dark world
• 58:17–end – Final thoughts: shining, persevering, and living on mission

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Takeaway

This episode offers practical and deeply theological reflections on living as Christians in a fallen world. The Robertsons urge listeners to root their identity in Christ, demonstrate God’s love tangibly, and resist the distractions and values of the present age. The consistent thread: when you are filled with God’s Spirit, your life becomes a light—“a star in the world”—despite persecution or hardship.

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For those who haven't listened, this summary captures the blend of Scripture, humor, and down-to-earth teaching that makes Unashamed both engaging and convicting.

Transcript

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[Jason]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Al]

All right, so welcome back to Unashamed. Christian is still with us. He was so riveted. He was. He was so amazed at what he witnessed in the last podcast he had. He had to stay.

[Jason]

It's just distractions. Distractions. It's like shooting, you know, when you, when you duck hunt. Because I've seen you shoot now, which. Well, we, we. I got a common deal.

[TJ Watt]

That'd be funny.

[Jason]

To help train. Who is that talking to?

[Al]

He's talking to people off camera. I don't know. He's.

[Jason]

I'm sorry. I got distracted doing a podcast. Well, I've been distracted for 50 minutes. It's called the previous podcast. You know what?

[Al]

It's going back to James, Remember that bumper sticker you bought that said, I'm surrounded by idiots?

[Jason]

Well, I'm trying to read the Bible.

[Al]

And Zach's reading the lyrics of the songs. It just threw you off.

[Jason]

Yeah. And I was like, let me push back a little bit. And then he got his feelings hurt and the next thing you know, we're off the rail.

[TJ Watt]

I didn't get my feelings hurt. I was confused because you never, you said, let me push back on that. But then you never disagreed with what I said. And so I, I was just clarifying, like, what do we.

[Jason]

Well, I apologize. I was being too nice.

[TJ Watt]

Maybe that's what it was.

[Jason]

Issue two, during the break, we had a break in podcasts and Christian design debate came about.

[Al]

Christian asked between asked if I could blow a duck on. I said, no, I'm not. I can't blow the hen call because I can't control the back of my tongue. I can't choke the air off. I've never been able to do it. I mean, I frustrated for years I tried to do it.

[Jason]

I mean, Al, you were raised by a man in a family that became correct. The world's most famous duck.

[Al]

And I was the oldest son and could not get it. But I figured it out. You have to have certain physical skills to do it well that not everybody has. I mean, it's just the way it is. Some people can roll their tongue into.

[Jason]

A. I can't roll my tongue.

[Al]

I can. I can do that, but I can't control the air.

[Jason]

I can blow it up.

[Al]

You can blow it up. So he asked me this.

[Jason]

I'm gonna disagree with you. I'm gonna push back. But I'll be more blunt now.

[Al]

After that, you're not. You're not correct. You can push back all you want. I'm going to push. And I give you. I give you evidence. We Phillips, he. He learned how to be able to call ducks in, but he's not a very good duck caller. Would you agree with me on that?

[Jason]

I think he.

[Al]

I'm not saying he can't call ducks. He can and he guides and he does all kinds of what I'm going to say, but he doesn't sound very much like a duck.

[Jason]

I'm hijacking the argument. I've talked about.

[Al]

I can hear it. I know what it sounds like when it's right.

[Jason]

I've attempted to teach thousands of people to blow a duck call. What I'm going to tell you is not what you're thinking. What I'm saying is what makes learning how to blow a duck call unique is like. It's not about physical capabilities or practice. There's something that you do with your body that you've never done before. And it's like if you never do it for the first time, you're never going to figure it out.

[Al]

But you're saying everybody can do it. Is that what you think? I mean, you think everybody can do.

[TJ Watt]

It's like riding a Huffle.

[Jason]

I think everybody can be decent. Like you brought up. We. I think he sounds somewhat like a.

[Al]

Duck, kind of like a old scared duck.

[Jason]

Because, look, just think about this.

[Al]

Not one that's very exciting.

[Jason]

I'm gonna. Can I illustrate this? You may have.

[Al]

And Zach says he can blow a duck call. That's where all this is leading to.

[Jason]

So, look, I lead when I do my seminars. I picked this duck.

[Al]

Can you blow a call?

[Jason]

You see this Duck.

[Christian]

I'm not great at it.

[Jason]

Okay, now what. How. The origin of this duck call. We sent for some samples. We were trying to build a new duck call. We were actually trying to build this, which is our newest duck call, which I will say, I will go on record.

[Al]

I think you said this.

[Jason]

Me and Jay. Oh, I'm excited about this. I think this is the greatest duck call that we've come up with just for people to use. And the sound of it. I mean, I absolutely love. I'm not even sure it's for sale yet, but did you pick the color out? I like. I like the color J. Stone there. Me and Stone need to have a consultation about color, but I don't want colors and all. I don't care, you know, so. And I love this call, but I don't know what. Fifteen years ago, we were trying to dial this in, which came 15 years later. This was a mistake. And it came. I put a pair of reeds in it, and it became my championship style.

[Al]

Oh, the one you do the.

[Jason]

Yeah. I kept it because I'm only going to blow this to say, ducks don't do that. Ducks don't do it. And don't you ever do it unless you're doing it to say, don't do this. But what's fascinating. Fascinating about the call is it's a good teaching tool to what I'm trying to say.

[Al]

Okay.

[Jason]

Because if you don't have the right air in this, it's very drastic how it sounds. So if I blow in it. Listen. It barely will make a sound. Yeah, I'm putting air in this. This is nothing. This is like a little Volkswagen with a horn. Hey, get out of my way.

[Al]

It's a clown car.

[Jason]

Yeah, it's a clown car. It was Zach's rental car this past week.

[Al]

You can't even. Zach just drove that car. This.

[Jason]

If you own a car that sounds like this when you blow the.

[TJ Watt]

I don't own it. I rented a. I rented one. It was like a. A Mitsubishi, but it was like a box car, but it's all they had left.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Al]

And of course, they accused me being Tokyo Drift again.

[Jason]

You said, we'll blow harder. I mean, it's barely nothing, like a duck. So people say, hey, you gotta. You know, air has got to come from the diaphragm, like when you grunt. So when you go to reach down and pick up a weight, you'll go, well, if you didn't make that sound, that's how you blow a duck call. So you're going. See, I didn't make a sound, but I reached out. Everything kind of got torqued up and I actually inhaled.

[TJ Watt]

All that pressure built up.

[Jason]

But people will try to blow a duck call and they'll. They'll make the. So they'll go.

[Al]

That's kind of what I sound like.

[Jason]

But look, it's still that. What is that? Now, look, you heard those two things. So.

[Al]

Yeah, that's a crane. There's a crane.

[Jason]

That's a clown car. Or grunting. You know, watch this. Well, how in the world did that drastically change? I mean, all of a sudden.

[Christian]

And are you doing the October 1010? Is that what you're doing there?

[Jason]

10? 10 was an analogy.

[Christian]

Is that not what you're supposed to do?

[Jason]

It's like.

[Al]

No, let me explain. That's what Stone taught me.

[Jason]

Let me explain this to you. My dad came up with an analogy that when you say 10, he would ask a question, how many times does your tongue touch the roof of your mouth? What's the answer? Two. Al got it wrong. It's two.

[Al]

That's why I can't boil down, look, 10.

[Jason]

It has to go back up. So he was just making.

[Al]

I've been doing five.

[Jason]

That when you have pressurized air, your tongue is going to let that air out. So you're not saying the word 10. It's kind of like the time when someone. When. When someone came up and they said, I want to try one of these duck calls. And when they picked it up, they blew from this end, which will not make asap. And so my dad said, hey, dude, hit it a lick on the other end and see if it'll work for you. And my dad used that redneck phrase, hit it a lick on the other end. Well, evidently that guy didn't know. So look, he turned the call around, hit the call with his hand, and then licked it. No.

[Al]

True story.

[Jason]

I saw it happen. Bill looked at me, I looked at him. He thought, I don't think it's old boy.

[Al]

So that I have never heard.

[Jason]

That is the illustration of 10. It's an illustrate. You're not saying 10.

[Christian]

Okay?

[Jason]

So the pressurized air that I form is something that I'm doing with my body that you've never done before.

[Al]

Correct.

[Jason]

So you can practice. It's not going to make perfect. You're never getting any unless you just.

[Al]

One day hear, this is like the Holy Spirit discussion.

[Jason]

That's what I'm saying. You can do it. It's just. Will you ever do it for the first time if you never do it for the first time because it's a strange feeling. People are like, well, how do you get that feeling? I gave you the best illustration. I knew. It's like you're picking up something and.

[Al]

You were picking up a weight. You should be really good.

[Jason]

You were going to pick it up, but you weren't going to make an audible sound. And then you're going to never leave that position. So. So actually you're not exhaling. You're inhaling. Yeah, I'm. I'm going the other way and then just letting the air out. The. It's like a controlled air.

[Christian]

I'm decent at the hen call. I can't. The. The feed call is what messes me up the.

[Jason]

Well, let's see. You know you want to. Are we going to do that? Are we going to have a competition? I want to hear, is that.

[TJ Watt]

Well, who's the. Who's the competition between you and Al, obviously.

[Al]

Well, no, I've already. I can't do it.

[TJ Watt]

Yeah, I'll go get.

[Al]

I'm not going to compete. I can't do it.

[Jason]

Zach, hit it a lick. Get you duck call.

[TJ Watt]

But let me. Okay, I'm a little nervous because you got to give me a fair shake. Jason. Don't be. And don't like automatically dismiss it too. I don't. I don't. I have a. I don't even know.

[Al]

We're going to give you common grace.

[TJ Watt]

Don't give us a. I don't have my duck calls.

[Jason]

Don't. Don't give it a description. Just let me hear it. Hit it a lick.

[Al]

Jace is the expert. That's not bad.

[Jason]

Yep. All right, now put the call down. Enter the microphone. Get your headphones on. Now, Zach has his air, right? So I would say he knows how to do it. The problem is the sound of a mallard hen is not in his head while blowing.

[TJ Watt]

So, Al, I didn't get a chance to sleep at your house last time I was in town because Ben took my spot. My brother in law and he did.

[Al]

You never know which one of the family is going to wind up at the house. But he did say. I said, ben, how'd you sleep? He said, oh, one of the best nights I've ever had. I said, well, I know why you.

[TJ Watt]

Slept on a Helix mattress. You guys. We're all a Helix family. We all got Helix mattresses in our homes. We took the super simple Helix sleep quiz and we were actually matched with what's called the midnight luxe mattress. It's not too firm, not too soft. It's perfect for us because we're me, Jill and I are both side sleepers, and we've had our mattress for, I guess, a couple of years now, and it really has been the best sleep that we've ever had. And I noticed a difference when I'm not sleeping on a helix mattress.

[Al]

Yeah, for us, Zach, it was the moonlight because I'm. We're more back sleepers. But it really does matter, you know, how you sleep in terms of what you do.

[Jason]

As long as you're sleeping, everything's good.

[Al]

Exactly.

[TJ Watt]

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[Jason]

He had a little fancy, what they call a double double clutch. Yeah, he did that.

[Al]

Yeah. Which I've heard people do that.

[Jason]

He did that. But his hair was actually.

[Al]

His hair was good.

[Jason]

Decent. That's what I know was good. Which anybody can do a feed cut except Christian.

[Christian]

Yeah, the feed calls hard for me.

[Jason]

I mean, an actual duck doing a feed call is not.

[Al]

But let Christian hear what it actually is.

[Jason]

Well, Zach just. He just rolled his tongue.

[TJ Watt]

If you.

[Jason]

If you can go see.

[Christian]

I see. I can't do that.

[TJ Watt]

I didn't roll my tongue. I did it.

[Al]

That's what they.

[Christian]

But with the diggity. I can't figure out how to do the air.

[Jason]

Well, I can't say that either. Just even that. But a duck, actually, the only time he makes that sound that Zach made or she makes that sound is when they're flying real high. They'll do it fast. Well, you would never want to do that.

[Al]

Right.

[Jason]

Because you're representing ducks sitting on the water.

[Al]

Yeah, it's like a wood duck call. They do a hay lady, like the. The flying wood people like to do that on the duck call. But that makes no sense because if you were a duck sitting on the water, you would make the loud, chirpy noise.

[Jason]

So the lesson I would give.

[Al]

I know about ducks. I don't know about.

[Jason]

I'm like, you need to go to the nearest pond where ducks are.

[Al]

Yeah. And listen, we'll go to your park. It's overrun.

[Jason]

And take your call and match your air. Because his cadence was wrong. Way too many notes.

[Al]

But I wasn't the double clutch.

[Jason]

But he has his arrow.

[Al]

He has air.

[Jason]

Right. You got your right, Zach. You can.

[TJ Watt]

I'm gonna take that as a. I'm gonna take that. Honestly, that's a raving endorsement.

[Al]

I was impressed.

[Christian]

In all fairness, though, he would never let you blow it in the. In the bl.

[Jason]

Probably.

[Al]

No, no.

[TJ Watt]

That's why he's never heard me. Blood dug it. I mean, you hunt. You hunt. You got it. You got a window about 6 inches you can shoot out of. If you hunt with Jason Bill, they got complete open porches. You got about a little six inch.

[Al]

Stay down, be quiet, and don't do anything and just. Except be here. No.

[TJ Watt]

If he.

[Jason]

If he would practice what a. What a duck sounds like because you have your air. Right. I would welcome that. I will. People that come to the blind who sound like a mallard in. I encourage them to blow, but only we say. Because then you get into that when to call is just as important.

[TJ Watt]

Well, on the other hand, what about Si? How does he call?

[Jason]

Sa has his air. Right. And. But his duck calling is just like his personality. It's an embellished version of everything. So he's like. He'll blow, right? He'll sound like a hen. Yeah. Yeah. But then if they're not coming, well, then he's like. He goes over the top.

[Al]

It's like he's telling a story.

[Jason]

No, I'm really serious here. Come down here.

[Al]

This joke is fun. This party is. Let me make some stuff up. Yeah.

[Jason]

So then it gets crazy. So then we're like, sigh. Because he can't hear real good, which is a problem. I mean, he can't hear himself. So we're like, sigh, you're blowing too loud. They're right here.

[Al]

But here's what I learned, Christian. Well, this is probably the best lesson for you, because you could do the hand call, but you wouldn't get to do it very often. But if you learn how to blow the Drake call, which is very easy if you can do a bass note. Yeah. It's just a super simple, like, there's all kind of decoy. There's all kind of ducks out here. So you could do all that. Or Gadwall, if you've got Gadwall coming, or if you got confidence calls. So guys like Me, who's not very good on the henco. I can blow the other calls like as if. And that's a backdrop. So a duck supplying around. There's drags down there. There's wood ducks.

[Jason]

So this call that we came up with, though, I will say one of the reasons I think is the best, it's easier to blow. So if I just blow in this. See, that's blowing. But it. It's not bad just with. So when you put the little pressure on it. I like it because it's raspy, but it's. When you lean, it does sound.

[Al]

I will say it sounds just like a mallet.

[Jason]

It has a crack to it. I wanted. Because they had named it what they name it select which. What does that mean? I said you should name it the Crackling.

[Al]

Oh, I know where. I know where that name came from. That's what they call really good whiskey.

[TJ Watt]

Name it the Cracker Barrel. Is that what they call?

[Jason]

Well, I'm fixed to change that.

[Al]

I don't even like whiskey.

[Christian]

We can call it the Common Grace Call.

[TJ Watt]

There you go. Common grace call.

[Jason]

That was from the last podcast. And I thought, wouldn't that be uncommon grace if you're giving grace to those who are not loving you?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Wouldn't it be uncommon?

[Al]

Well, common in the sense is for everybody is what he meant, but uncommon is the sense that it's given.

[Jason]

How about this, Zach? How about we stay away from phrases that are not in the Bible?

[TJ Watt]

It's going to be really difficult if we don't. If we just. We could just read it just word for word. Every podcast.

[Jason]

That brings me to the point that I never got to make. What One of the themes of tackling this idea of the world because we left off in First John 2. I know we were in John 15, but it's such a profound statement when he says, yeah, you felt rushed. Oh, I was rushed. Don't be shocked if the world hates you. Well, what's he talking about? What world? Well, we're not talking about the rocks and the trees because they haven't ever hated anybody, I guess. Unless a tree fell on you. But I'm telling you, it wasn't personal. You were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Al]

Wasn't hate it'll rock hit you just because somebody threw it. Probably.

[Jason]

So I read first John 2 saying he didn't claim this. John is saying God is not claiming these things that come out of the world when he said that. Because if you just read the verse 1 John 2:16 and take out the parenthetical. You see those two? I have two dashes in the middle of that sentence. Do you have that too?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So if you just read the verse without the parenthetical, where it says, for everything in the world comes not from the Father, comes not from the Father, but from the world. Well, wait a minute. Now that everything. It's not talking about everything in the world, it's talking about these things in the parenthetical. The cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, the boasting of what he does.

[Al]

And I'm wondering that sinful man is probably the same word for flesh, you think? I mean, I hadn't looked it up.

[Christian]

Yeah. Mine says that his eyes are the flesh.

[Al]

Yeah, I would say that. Right?

[Jason]

Yeah, but we've already gone through just having flesh.

[Al]

Yes.

[Jason]

Doesn't necessarily necessitate sin.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Because Jesus, look, the Word became flesh. Then post resurrection, look at my.

[Al]

Which is why the NIV added sin. Sin.

[Jason]

It's a. It's a tricky word, you know, to wrap your head around. What I was going to say, though, is what led to that is. So in First John 1:5, he says, this is the message we have heard from him and declare to you, God is light. In him there's no darkness. Well, now we're back on this light, Jesus, I am the light of the world. That light has appeared to all men. Here we go. And so then he gets to chapter two and he's like, I write this so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, well, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense, Jesus Christ. And watch what verse two says. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. And not only for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world. There's that world. So verse I'm just leading up to the first John 2, verse 6. Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. So now we have this challenge that, well, how are we going to walk like Jesus did? I mean, I remember reading this for the first time and I thought, well, I'm out on that. I mean, I can't. What, so what does he mean? Well, then he starts talking about love, which he already has, but it's kind of the whole point because he says, I give you a new command. Well, if you go back to where we've been in John 14:15 when he was talking about do what I command, what's the next phrase?

[Al]

Love one another.

[Jason]

Love one another as I have loved you. It gets back to this has Been the whole theme. So then look what he does in verse 8. Yet I am writing you a new command, its truth. And now we're talking about speaking the truth in love. Its truth is seen in him and you. Because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining. This is this light that's come to all men. Well, it's already shining. And now we're getting into.

[Al]

And think about when John wrote that. Remember, it was decades after Jesus was here. So what he's saying is the light's shining.

[Jason]

I mean, is shining. Which goes into your. What's the name of your other podcast?

[Al]

Not Yet Now, Now, Not Yet Now.

[Jason]

It's already shining. All right, then, verse nine. Anyone who claims to be in the light, but hates his brother, he's still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. So we get that which leads to 1 John 2, 15. Don't love anything in the world. But he explains, that didn't come from God. It didn't come from the Father. That's what it said. So then he goes to the end of chapter two, and he's like, dear children, continue in him so that when he appears, well, there's the not yet. And he gets into this, we'll be like him. Chapter three and verse two. Dear friends, we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But when we know that when he appears, we shall be like him.

[TJ Watt]

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[Al]

I love fall of the weather.

[TJ Watt]

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[Al]

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[Jason]

Yeah.

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[Jason]

So there's your not yet. We're going to get a new body. All that part.

[Al]

And by the way, he said we may be confident and unashamed. Remember what happened after the first sin was the first thing that happened to Adam and Eve.

[TJ Watt]

They hid.

[Al]

They hid and they were ashamed.

[Jason]

Exactly. So then when you get to chapter three and verse eight, he gets back into this world because he says he who does what is sinful is of the devil. Because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. So we get into that. So then I wanted to come to 3:11. This is the message you heard from the beginning. We should love one another. Now watch how he goes all the way back to the garden and post garden. Do not be like Cain. And look, this phraseology who belonged to the evil one? You Remember in John 15 where we just was and I said, you see, this word belong keeps coming up. Which means of the world, do not be of the world. Same terminology. Who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother, which is the opposite of loving. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brothers were righteous. Now watch this. Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. Well, does that sound familiar?

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Where are we at? In John 15 he says the exact phrase 15:18, right? Yeah, that's where we're at. Where did he get that from? Is my point. He got that from Jesus when he said if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated the me first. If you belong to the world, if you belong to the world. It would love you as its own. He's already said, the prince of this world stands condemned. John 12 because of what he's going to do. So same thing. Now, these verses are so powerful, I had to read them. Verse 14. We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. Now, how profound is that statement? Yeah, you want to know how you're going to live. If you have love in some capacity, you've passed from death to life.

[Al]

Which, by the way, that's what he means when he says you can walk as Jesus did. Exactly. You have to go from death to life, just like he did.

[Jason]

Now watch this. Anyone who does not love remains in death. I mean, it's just so profound. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer.

[Al]

Jesus made the same point.

[Jason]

Yeah, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is. Jesus Christ laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. He just got through saying this in John 15. When we read that, laying down your life for your friends. And this is not about being a servant in this capacity, I'm calling you friends. If anyone has material possession, sees his brother in need, has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Verse 18. Dear children, this is a key, another thread that's going to show itself. Let us not love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth. And this goes back to the John 1:14. Up until this time. God's telling them, here we're in the garden. What do you do? He gave them the instructions. And so I've even read where a lot of people say, well, you know, Adam and Eve were totally free. Because it says, you're free to eat of any tree in the garden. They weren't totally free because then he said, except one. And that was the trust part. Trust me, don't eat of that tree. And what happened? Well, here comes the evil one. Evil one deceives them. They eat of the tree. And now we've created a new world. So he says, with actions and in truth, which is what Jesus did, the word became flesh. It became a demonstration of God's love instead of just some words, which is why he's saying this, because it's like if you wrote somebody a letter every day telling them you loved them, well, at some point, what's that going to accomplish? I guarantee you they're going to start throwing them away or call 911. Well, seriously, you know, Man. Now they're like, why does this guy keep sending me letters telling me he loves me? Okay, I got it. Where's the action and truth? And so we're leading up to the whole point of this. So then he says this then, is how we know that we belong to the truth. There's the belong. And now we have the truth, which comes from the light. And how we set our hearts at rest in his presence whenever our hearts condemn us or blame us. It's not the same word condemn as all the other places you see it. This is the only place it's used for God is greater.

[Al]

Convictus would probably be a better.

[Jason]

Well, it's like, once I looked at it, it's used one other place besides right here, three times in the whole Bible. It's like the emotional side of you just thinking. It's kind of like Romans 7, when he's like, I have this in me, you know, and I don't feel like I'm doing good. You're doubting yourself. You're doubting he's going to answer what you what the answer is.

[Al]

Sure.

[Jason]

He's going to say, you have God living in you. So let's keep reading. And he knows everything. 21. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God. So we're confidence rather than condemnation. And we receive from him anything we ask because we obey his commands, which is about love and do what pleases Him. And here's where I'm trying to get to. And this is the command to believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded. Those who obey his commands live in him and he in them. And this is how we know he lives in us. We know it by the Spirit he gave us. I mean, I think that's just absolutely.

[Al]

Which is the whole point of the text.

[Jason]

John 14:16. It's the whole point of it. He's like, I'm going to come in you. So when you tie that into the first John and you can't get the.

[Al]

Spirit unless you die.

[Jason]

What I was trying to say is when it says the Father, this didn't come from the Father. I mean, the implication is you created this because you didn't trust me when I said, don't eat of the tree of the Knowledge, of the good and evil, and you were deceived by the evil one. So what did he do about it? Well, he came into the world. That's why God sent Jesus into the world, out of love. So he came into that world. And then what did he do? He showed us the true character of God. And then he starts promising his spirit. Well, that is from God. Jesus was from God. He said it hundreds of times in the Gospels. I came from God. I came from God. I came from God. And then he's like, and now I'm going to send you the Spirit. I'm leaving. I'm going to send you the Spirit. He will be in you. So that's what he did about the world. That's why I said it's the world against the world. Because now you have spirit filled people that are from God because Jesus came into the world.

[TJ Watt]

And to add to that, then if you want to say, well, how do I know if I have the Spirit? First John also makes the argument for how we know that, right? So you think about the fruit of the Spirit, Galatians 5, which Christian mentioned before? The first one is love. And so what he says repeatedly in First John is that essentially the message is we know that we love God. If we love one another. We know that we are. It's evident who are the children of God in the ESV of 3:10 and who are the children of the devil? Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

[Jason]

Beloved.

[TJ Watt]

Let us. This is in 1 John 4, 7 Brothers, let us love one another, for love is from God. And whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. First John 5, 1, 2. Everyone who believes that Jesus Christ has been born of God and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this. We know that we love the children of God when we love God and obey his commandments. And so you think about that theme. There's that the primary way that we actually identify that we are housing the Holy Spirit is by our love. They'll know we're Christians by our love and our love for one another, our love for God. But that can. You cannot, you can't truly love in this way unless you have the fruit of the Spirit. The Spirit enables us to love like this. And I think that that goes back even into the Old Testament. You know, when you look at all those laws that were given on Mount Sinai and all the this, that. Just how many of those ceremonial laws and ritual and all that? The Ten Commandments? All of it. And Jesus says, yeah, you can sum it all up in basically two things. Love God and love each other.

[Al]

So, Jase, why would you tell people it's important to obey federal law when you're duck cutting.

[Jason]

Well, duck hunting is the most legislated thing you can do in life. Yes. We have our rules, Al.

[Al]

Yeah, we do.

[Jason]

And duck season is right around the corner. Yeah. In fact, till season opens at a theater near you in the woods. So you got to have your duck stamp.

[Al]

That's part of the federal law. Got to have the duck stamp. And right now, it's easier than ever to get one. You go to duckstamp.com, choose the new digital duck stamp, they'll send it to you along with the proof of purchase, Right. To your phone or your computer. No paper, no stress, no more keeping up with it all season. And here's the part we love. Almost every dollar goes straight into protecting wetlands and wildlife habitat. That means you're not just following the law. You're supporting something that lasts a better hunting season. Sure. But also a future your kids and grandkids can enjoy. So, Jase, I mean, dad definitely has always been about conservation. That's why we have 1600 acres of hunting property.

[Jason]

It goes with actually duck hunting. What you're doing is making a better environment for all the not just ducks that all the critters will come visit.

[Al]

And we have a lot of critters. So whether you're a hunter or just someone who loves the outdoors, go to duck stamp.com unashamed and grab your digital stamp today. That's duckstamp.com unashamed in the illustration, Jase did this a few podcasts back. Was the rich young ruler, remember? Because he said, what makes you good? Why do you call me good? And he said, well, I've kept those, the commandments since I was a kid. But he missed the two things he had to do. To love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love your neighbors yourself. Remember, Jesus loved him.

[Jason]

Oh, wow. That is the point.

[Al]

I mean, that was a huge point.

[Jason]

Because he didn't want and he told him to give to the poor, which is a love action.

[Al]

Exactly.

[Jason]

And he made it about the commands. That's why. Look. Interesting enough, this world rabbit hole. When you read the last verse of John, you remember when he makes this subtle statement about, I suppose there's not enough books in the world. In the world if everything was written.

[Al]

As to what he did.

[Jason]

Yeah, but I just always thought, oh, that's cool. It's not about that. Look, what have we done in our world? And I mean this world where the evil one. There's more books about what the Lord did and commentary if we stacked them up we could make a pretty good section of the world just in the books.

[Al]

I thought they come out every day.

[Jason]

We missed it. It was a demonstration. Yeah, he gave us a demonstration of the word became flesh. He became a human. And I think that's what people are missing. They're like, oh, we need some more books. Let me. Let me throw this out there. No, it's a person.

[Al]

So do you think that Paul makes the exact same argument that John makes in Romans 5, 6, 7 and 8? If you go back and think about those four chapters, he's making the exact same point you're talking about here about the two worlds. He starts it out with the two Adams.

[Jason]

Absolutely.

[Al]

You get to the death and barren resurrection comments in chapter six, and then you get to seven. With the no confidence and the action, you get to eight. It's the spirit that reveals.

[Jason]

I would say. I think this is the whole point of all the books. It's this mindset of there's two worlds going on and.

[TJ Watt]

But one world, one. So one world, though, is going to eat up the other world. And I think that's the picture of the kingdom.

[Jason]

I'm sure you're in the right world. All right, I'll give you an example what you're saying. Here's a random verse you probably never considered about world in First Corinthians 7. I mean, he's talking about marriage. And the reason I thought about this is because he's. Jesus is telling his disciples, you know, trouble's coming. Don't let your hearts be troubled.

[Al]

But it's coming. Are you going to quote the verse that dad did? Christian?

[Jason]

That's how I'm going to start. That's how I'm going to start.

[Al]

Wedding.

[Jason]

Christian did my dad.

[Al]

That was a bad Freudian.

[TJ Watt]

You know the verse Christian off top of your head, you remember this moment?

[Christian]

It was better for man not to marry.

[Jason]

No, that's the part that I remember.

[Al]

Well, he said that at the wedding.

[Jason]

He started there. It's better. That's earlier in the chapter. But then he read this, which is the second half of First Corinthians 7:28. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life. I want to spare you of this.

[TJ Watt]

What do you think, Christian, when he's reading that at your wedding, you're about to marry his granddaughter and the patriarch of the family comes up. What's going through your head?

[Christian]

Thought he just got the wrong scripture. I think. I think. I thought he was just confused on what he was reading.

[Al]

Oh, no.

[Jason]

But you know, What? I mean we can laugh at Phil. It's really good advice.

[Al]

Oh, he was, he's right on.

[Jason]

I've been married 35 years.

[Al]

I mean Paul said it.

[Jason]

So trouble is coming and it's gonna manifest itself in various forms. I mean it can even be from good things.

[Al]

It could be set on the clock.

[TJ Watt]

Oh, it's a tr. It's a, it's a. Yeah. It reminds me of that song. People get ready People, people get ready, There's a train coming.

[Christian]

Well, how do you think, do you think that would not, not that the Bible has any contradict contradictions but to Genesis 1, do you think that applies more so to marriage? That it's not good for man to be alone or more so community or could you make the argument for both?

[TJ Watt]

No, I think he's, I think, I think the creation order is God wants us to get married. I'm not saying everybody but the, I mean it is the primary vehicle through which God. It is the vehicle through which God creates.

[Al]

And Paul even said I'm the unicorn. Like he said, I wish more people were like me. But he was like, I think, yeah.

[TJ Watt]

I think Paul, I think Paul's instructions are in that case. I, I personally think that's a, that's a, a the context they were in with the persecuted church. I don't think that had anything to do with the creation or like in general for all of us. I, I, I think that I, I actually think that there we should encourage people to get married.

[Jason]

Like for me I was maybe because of my childhood, but I was a lone wolf and I'm perfectly content with that.

[Al]

Oh yeah.

[Jason]

And so I had a couple of bad dates. And so for a year, not that anything bad happened, I just thought, no, this is, I'm not going to find somebody that I want to marry. So I remember for one year I basically debated what you are talking about. I thought, what if I just go it alone? I think I can do it.

[Al]

And I think you probably could have.

[Jason]

Yeah, I think I could have. But then I met. Well, I think you know, when I met.

[Al]

This is a man who famously said the best conversations are the one he has with himself.

[Jason]

So. Yeah, but I met my wife and then all of a sudden I was like, forget that I got a chance here.

[Al]

So I don't know, I just, I fell in love.

[Jason]

But there is a lot of trouble and.

[Al]

We'Ve talked about many on this podcast.

[Jason]

Well, we have. And nobody tell her about that clock, but I shared that story. Like you haven't even Heard this story, but it's like, why are you sleeping on the couch? J. Because I sold a piece of junk and I gave. Tried to give my wife $300 for said junk, and somehow that was a bad thing.

[TJ Watt]

But anyway, well, said junk was a fam. Family heirloom.

[Jason]

It turned out to be a family heirloom. So if you would have told me that, I wouldn't have stolen. So anyway, verse 29, he makes an illustration about the. And look, he says, what I mean is this. So what do you mean you're going to have trouble? Is that the time is short. From now on, those who have wives should live as if they had none. Those who mourn. Now this gets real confusing. You're like, wait, what? He's making a very good point about what we're talking about. Those who mourn as if they did not. Those who are happy as if they were not. Those who buy something as if it were not theirs to keep.

[Al]

Those.

[Jason]

Here's the phrase, verse 31. Who use the things of the world as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

[Al]

He's making First Corinthians 7, 29, 31.

[Jason]

He's talking about marriage. And all of a sudden he was like, now, hang on here. I know you live in this world. But he's talking to Christians, and he's like, you got a choice. You're not of this world anymore. Quit getting so engrossed in it. He continues to say that when you're married, you're distracted because you're having to take care of worldly things and the affairs of man and trying to please your husband. He's like. He gets down to the end. And his whole point in verse 35, he says, I'm saying this for your own good, not to restrict you. He wasn't making some kind of rule.

[Al]

About you can't get married.

[Jason]

Yeah, don't provide for your family and all this. But he's saying that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

[Al]

That's a great point.

[Jason]

I mean, you're married to the Lord and you're in a world that's new, and you have a king and you're the servant of the king. That is your primary device.

[Al]

Which is why when Lisa and I go and speak to people about marriage, this is what we get back to every time. If you're both not devoted to the Lord, because we're speaking in a Christian context, I mean, I could go write a Book about counseling, blah, blah, blah. But if you're both not devoted to the Lord, you will always have these worldly struggles that will be a part of your marriage. But when that happens, when you both get on the same page, even with the struggles like Jason's talking about, you always come out on the right side. You always wind up in the right place.

[Jason]

Well, I only brought this verse up because my point was going to be for bringing it up. Most people, when they see the world's passing away, they make it all, not yet. Okay, well, we just need to wait. We have to do all this stuff. But no, he thrust that right in the middle of this. This is now. You have the Holy Spirit of God. Now, don't be distracted by the world. Go through the day to day, but keep it all in the right perspective. That's why he made that little deal about not being engrossed in that. You can't get engrossed in the world because you're not of the world.

[TJ Watt]

What verse was the engross?

[Jason]

31 7, 31, 35. And I'll read you another one just to make the same point. And it's one we read all the time. Romans 12, 1:2, which I never noticed this before until I did the world study. So he's like, in view of God's mercy, offer your bodies living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God. This is your spiritual act of worship. Worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of the world. Same concept. You're now in a world within a world because you're in Jesus. But be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you'll know what God's will is. We're back to this God's will. We know what God's will is. It's all based in love. His good, pleasing, and perfect will. But I like that one because it's a renewal. Same thing in 2 Corinthians 5, when he says, we no longer view people from a worldly point of view, though we once regarded Christ that way. He used that word world. But then the profound smoking gun is that God uses us because he's reconciling the world to himself. And we are therefore ambassadors.

[TJ Watt]

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[Jason]

Oh, John 1, he made all things. That's why I read that last podcast. He made all things.

[TJ Watt]

Yeah, yeah. So, but even in that Corinthian passage, First Corinthians in verse 31, it says, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it, for the present form of this world is passing away. So it's not that the world is passing away, it's the present form of the world. So then if you go to 1 Corinthians 15, you actually start to see a little bit of that. But our own bodies, he's. It's not that he's going to get away with the physical body. It's not like, oh, the physical body's bad. The world's going to hell in a handbasket. It's all bad. Don't worry about it. Just disregard all that. He's just saying that the present form is not going to be the final form. And the final form is. Is what we always talk about in this podcast, that. That is the, the, the not yet part that we're. We're kind of getting little morsels of it. We're seeing the world inside the world expand and it's. And it's having major impact and converting the. The other world into our world, into Christ's world. And then the, the consummation of the kingdom is going to be. The entire globe is going to be. Is be good, will be as temple.

[Al]

Because the thing that changed. The thing that changed was he came to the world. He came here. Well, exactly. It doesn't.

[Jason]

It's so weird that Zach brought this up because I actually looked up that Greek word there, which present doesn't seem to be in the Greek, but I guess it's implied. But that word form is only used twice in the New Testament. This, this fashion.

[Al]

Present form.

[Jason]

Well, yeah. You know when the other time it's used, which kind of blew my mind is in Philippians 2, when about Jesus, it says and being the form 2, 8 and being found in appearance as a man. So. Which was a temporary.

[TJ Watt]

Yeah, Philippians 2.

[Jason]

Philippians 2. Eight is in First Corinthians 7:31. Are the two that temporary fashion. Well, it was a temporary. That's why he was leaving. Now his.

[TJ Watt]

It's still in a body.

[Jason]

That's right. That's what I was getting at. That's why it was when you said that I thought this is a little deeper than you realize, because I actually went to it because I thought, what's he mean by that? That. But it's like this world in its current form is going to change. Just like Jesus went from perishable to imperishable. I think that's what he's getting at. But it says it's already happening. That's why I read in the first Yahoo.

[Al]

Well, it is because people are dying and being resurrected. The Holy Spirit living.

[Jason]

Exactly. But it makes it really about now so much, much more so. So it's like.

[Al]

And it also adds to the urgency concept of people finding this out so that they can then cross over from the other world into this world.

[Jason]

Oh, I found something. I know we only got a couple minutes, so I'm gonna throw this in because this was random. Boy, I. I was in the airplane and I Read this. And I went, yes.

[Al]

Seven miles.

[Jason]

I looked around, everybody's looking at me. Look. I held my Bible and said, this is good. You don't need.

[Al]

You don't need a TV screen if you got Jason around.

[Jason]

So I was doing this thing about the light of the world, you know, and all that going down, all the. Well, what. One of the worlds that popped up was in Philippians 2, where it says. And look, this is crazy, because the NIV once again missed it. Well, they just. I didn't notice it because it says universe, but it's the same word for world. Philippians 2.

[Al]

Oh, shine lights.

[Jason]

Oh, wow. This is. This is so good that it'll make you run through a brick wall.

[Al]

So it'll make you yell on an airplane.

[Jason]

14 is like, do everything without complaining, arguing so that you may become blameless, impure children of God without fault, in a crooked, crooked and depraved generation. Which is this world we're living in, in which you. Here's the phrase shine like stars in the universe. So you look at the Greek here. Well, that stars. The word for light. It's luminary. It's only used twice in the entire Bible. This is one of them. And the word for universe there is the same word for world.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So look, you're luminating. Is that a word?

[Al]

Illuminating?

[Christian]

Illuminating.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Well, it comes from luminous.

[Al]

Yeah. You would be a luminary. Yeah.

[Jason]

So if you. If you. If you. Let's get a. The worldly definition for luminary. Listen to this. A person who inspires to influence others. A natural light giving body, especially the sun or moon. Well, he's talking about us.

[Al]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason]

We become this to the world.

[Al]

Right.

[Jason]

It's used here, and it's used in Revelation 21:11. You remember, he saw a new heaven, a new earth. The church is coming down out of it. Well, when you get to 2111, it shone with the glory of God and its brilliance.

[Al]

It was like that.

[Jason]

Remember we did all the thing about the jewels, and he picked the light. So he said if you have the laser light, that it becomes rainbows. How did he get all those? Right? And it's talking about people who have surrendered to Jesus.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

You become the luminaries of the world.

[Al]

It's the Zion again, Christian. The holy city.

[Jason]

Yeah, now and not yet. I mean, but when that not yet happens, you don't need a. That's why it says you don't need the sun or moon. Yeah. You know, there's no temple. The Lord is the temple.

[Al]

And he is the light.

[Jason]

I mean, what a way.

[TJ Watt]

So when you look at. It's funny you say that because you look at this text here and it says the. The city lies four square mile. Mile or the city is. The city lies four square. Its length the same as the width. This is in Revelation 21:16. And he measured the city with his rod. So the idea of the city here is that if you measure it, it's a square. This is that cube that Bill Smith used to talk about. Well, you know what else is where the length is the same as the width. Whenever you go back to the temple and then you go back before that, and you go back to the tabernacle when they built the. If you go back and read those Instructions in Exodus 25, when Moses was given, and I think it was like 10 by 10, the box was 10 by 10. And then it. And it was expanded in the temple. And I may get this wrong, but I think it was 30 by 30. Well, now you're seeing it even bigger. And so this is the temple. I mean, this is what we're talking about here. And that's why we see the ever expanding temple. God's temple is ever expanding, which is what Paul was saying. That's Paul's message that we belong to this temple. We're living stones connected to the cornerstone, and we are growing into a temple. So the idea is whatever this new. The way that God dwells with man now, it's an ever expanding dwelling with man. And I mean, that is the picture that you're getting to at the very, very end of the Bible. Almost the very last chapter of the Bible.

[Al]

Exactly.

[Jason]

I know we're out of time, but I read all that about the world because he said the world's gonna hate you.

[Al]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Why? Because when he got to the last two verses of chapter 15, he says, when the counselor comes, which is going to be in you, whom I will send to you from the Father, the spirit of truth, which he's already spent the rest time talking about. Love.

[Al]

Yep.

[Jason]

Who goes out from the Father? This is from the Father. He will testify about me. Spirit is going to testify. That's how you're going to shine like a star and be a star in this world. And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning that it this became a mission with a warning. Oh, they're going to hate you. They're going to persecute you. You have trouble coming, but you're going to be like a star in the world.

[Al]

It started in the first century and it's still going today, so we'll pick it up here next time. Christian, thanks for being on.

[Christian]

Thanks for having me. This is great.

[Al]

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