Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1212 | Jase Meets the Abominable Snowman & Roasts the Poor Thing

November 19, 2025

Overview

This episode of Unashamed begins playfully, with Jase ribbing Zach about his enormous, fluffy winter jacket—earning Zach the nickname "the abominable snowman." But soon, the guys pivot from roasting outerwear to deep theological discussion, exploring topics like theological diversity, the relationship between Old Testament law and New Testament grace, why humans have a "want problem," and the overarching purpose of Jesus' sacrifice. Throughout, the Robertsons keep their signature mix of down-home humor and earnest biblical teaching, making this an especially engaging and enlightening discussion on Christian freedom and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Zach's Fluffy Jacket & The "Abominable Snowman" Roast (01:06–06:03)

• Jase mercilessly teases Zach about his excessive winter gear, likening him to the abominable snowman:

  "If you're listening to this, Zach has dressed up like the abominable Snowman today, which is because he's indoors." —Jase (01:35)

• Debate over practicality: Jase questions if Zach can actually move in his jacket, launching an analogy about being protected but immobilized—a prelude to their spiritual discussion.

• Zach defends the coat's mobility and warmth, insisting it's not as limiting as it looks.

  "You gain £40 by putting on a jacket. You look—you look like £240 right now." —Jase (05:35)

2. Theological Diversity & Baptisms in Extreme Weather (06:03–08:50)

• Outdoor baptisms in freezing weather (baptizing a former Jew and a New Age convert):

  "We baptized a guy that grew up Jewish, came to Christ... We call it living water because it moves." —Zach (06:03)

• Celebration of unity around the campfire, with a Presbyterian, an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and a Pentecostal—all sharing their faith together.

  "That's a beautiful picture...something our country could use a real dose of. Because I don't know about you guys, but it feels like we're more divided than ever." —Host (07:53)

3. Heaven/Earth “Vortex City,” New Age Seekers, and Gospel Opportunity (08:50–10:39)

• Explanation of "vortex cities" (e.g., Sedona, Asheville), which attract new age seekers "where the veil between heaven and earth is thin."

• Zach reframes the concept with Christian theology:

  "If you want to find the place where heaven and earth meet...look in the bodies of Spirit-filled believers because we are the place where heaven and earth meet." —Zach (09:13)

• New Age hunger creates Gospel openness, as seekers are already looking for spiritual connection.

4. Tensions Around Law, Sabbath, and Old Covenant (10:39–15:29)

• Jase raises ongoing debates with Christians who feel compelled to keep Old Testament ceremonial law after coming to Jesus.

  "One of the debates I got into was with a guy who believes in Jesus, but wants to keep the old law post coming to Jesus." —Jase (12:50)

• Discussion about Sabbath vs. Sunday worship, referencing Acts and Hebrews:

  "I've always thought that we meet on Sundays because Jesus was raised on Sunday. The Holy Spirit was poured out on a Sunday, which I went through this. But he's like, that was the day of Pentecost...a Jewish festival." —Jase (13:58)

5. Idolatry—Origin and Pervasiveness (15:29–18:50)

• Sin’s connection to wanting to be "our own god":

  "I think when you look at the big picture...God didn't create us to necessarily bear the image—we are the image of God. And so by worshiping God and him alone, everything would have gone a lot better." —Jase (15:29)

• From Eden to Exodus, humanity chooses idolatry. Bob Dylan's "You Gotta Serve Somebody" is cited as a lyrical summary.

6. Old Testament Law: Its Purpose, Limits, and Fulfillment (18:50–23:10)

• Jase and Zach discuss common misconceptions about the Law:

  "The law...tells you the way to be right with God. The problem...is not that it's bad. It just doesn't provide the means for you to do it." —Zach (20:09)

• No temple, priesthood, or sacrifice in modern Judaism renders full law-keeping impossible.

• The Book of Hebrews as the final word on Law-vs-Grace tension.

7. Jesus’s Fulfillment of the Law and the Role of Love (24:50–36:10)

• Sermon on the Mount:

  "Here's Jesus taking their law and kind of turning it on its head...it's from the heart where these things are coming." —Jase (24:50)

• The Law exposes inadequacy; love fulfills it:

  "Because love experienced is the new law. A new command I give you: Love each other as I have loved you. This is love for God—not that you love him, but that he loved you enough to send his son..." —Jase (29:27)

• Which Old Testament laws still apply?

  "None...You can make a point of saying, well, you're technically under all of them. Because in Jesus, it's either all or none." —Jase (31:25) "You're under all of them, but they're all fulfilled in Christ." —Zach (31:37)

8. The Want Problem: Desire, Worship, and the Holy Spirit (31:37–36:10)

• Why we fail to keep the Law:

  "The problem is...because you don't want to. I mean, that's the problem, is that we have a want problem. The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want, but I do want." —Zach (31:50)

• Purpose of Christ’s crucifixion includes the giving of the Holy Spirit to change our desires and empower us to live as God intended.

  "When the Spirit comes, he's going to live in humans...You actually become a new tent, a new dwelling place. Not the one built by human hands, but the one built by God in heaven." —Zach (33:00)

9. The Christian Life: Progression, Freedom, and Transforming Desire (37:02–50:37)

• Romans 6–8 and the law of love:

  "Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law. Now, it's either fulfilled or it's not in Jesus." —Jase (41:06)

• Justification vs. sanctification:

  "If you're just stopping at justification...you're trying to take the whole idea of Christianity and you're reducing it to am I saved or not, instead of what is the life that God is calling you into?" —Zach (47:16)

• Can Christ restore the most broken desires? Absolutely, through the Spirit’s ongoing transforming work.

10. Practical Illustrations: Football, Metaphor, and Saying “Yes” in Christ (50:37–57:23)

• Football metaphor for sanctification:

  "The best defense is a good offense...in Christ, all the promises are yes and amen because we're not saying no to what we can't do, or no; we're saying yes to live in Him." —Zach (55:20)

• Contrast between worldly "No" and heavenly "Yes":

  "In Him, it's always been yes...that's in contrast to trying to keep a law, where you have to say no." —Jase (52:09)

• True freedom is being able to say “yes” to righteousness, not just “no” to sin.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the paradox of Law and Grace:

  "You're going to worship something." —Jase referencing Bob Dylan (17:08)
  "Why would I go back to these regulations? ...Why would we worship copies?" —Zach (36:10)

• On the transformative work of the Spirit:

  "You become the holy of holies... Not the one built by human hands, but the one built by God in heaven." —Zach (33:00)

• On living out Christian maturity:

  "We believe them in greater measure the more mature we get in our walk with Christ." —Zach (55:20)

• On the surprise direction of the episode:

  "What you just witnessed was an entire podcast with nothing we had planned to do today that was completely because of Zach's coat." —Host (57:23)

• On freedom in Christ:

  "Just because you're under lock and key does not mean that you can't be set free." —Phil (via Host, 57:23)

Key Timestamps

• 01:06–06:03: Fluffy jacket banter & abominable snowman jokes
• 06:03–08:50: Outdoor baptisms, theological diversity, unity
• 09:13–10:39: Vortex city, New Age seekers
• 12:50–15:29: Sabbath debates, Law versus Grace
• 18:50–23:10: The function of the Law & fulfillment in Christ
• 24:50–36:10: Christ’s teaching, the law of love, desire, and the Holy Spirit
• 41:06–43:24: Living out the law of love, freedom from compulsion
• 47:16–50:37: The Christian life: saved to something, not just from something
• 52:09–55:20: The positive ("yes") invitation of life in Christ
• 57:23–end: Surprise at the episode’s direction; closing thoughts

Conclusion

What started as a light-hearted roast of Zach’s snowman-like jacket turned into a powerful, organic conversation about the Gospel, the law, and what it really means to be free in Christ. The Robertsons emphasize that true Christian maturity is about transformation: it’s not about keeping old rules out of compulsion, but about letting the Holy Spirit in to change our deepest desires, propelling us forward as willing, loving agents of God’s Kingdom. This episode serves as a vibrant reminder—change in Christ is always possible, and the promises of God in Jesus are always “yes and amen.”