Ep 1219 | Jase Looks Back on Phil’s Last Hunt & Al Announces His & Lisa’s Life Story Movie

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Episode 1219 | Jase Looks Back on Phil’s Last Hunt & Al Announces His & Lisa’s Life Story Movie
Date: December 1, 2025
Hosts: Jase Robertson, Alan Robertson, Jason Robertson, Alex Robertson
Special Mention: Lisa Robertson (absent due to illness)

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt episode revolves around two major themes: the deeply personal transition in the Robertson family’s hunting tradition, as Phil steps away from the duck blind, and the announcement of a movie about Al and Lisa Robertson’s life story. The episode is filled with candid storytelling, family dynamics, reflections on legacy, and the power of vulnerability and redemption in faith. The family discusses their hopes for the impact of the upcoming movie, memories of past hunts with Phil, and the tradition of openness about their struggles to help others understand God’s grace.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Phil’s Last Duck Hunt and Family Traditions

• Jase and Al commemorate Phil’s absence from the traditional opening day duck hunt:
  • This is the first opening day Phil won’t attend in 60+ years, marking a somber transition for the family ([03:29]).
• Al’s commitment to honoring Phil:
  • Despite a busy work schedule, Al commits to being at the opening day in recognition of Phil’s legacy ([03:37]).
• Hunting as a family affair and comedy over participation:
  • Discussion about inviting all brothers—Willie and Jeff—but skepticism about their willingness to do the grunt work, like setting up decoys and blinds: “Somebody’s gotta actually shoot some ducks… and put out the brush” ([04:31]-[04:47]).
• Phil’s health and last hunt:
  • Phil participated little in last year's opening day, which turned out to be the best hunt of the season, described as “almost like the Almighty knew it was the parting way for dad” ([05:07]).

2. The Upcoming Movie on Al & Lisa’s Life Story

• Official announcement and details:
  • Al reveals plans are solidifying for a feature film about his and Lisa’s 25+ year journey, with Lisa as the main character but diving deeply into both their stories ([08:01]-[08:36]).
  • Alex (Al’s daughter) is involved as part of the scripting and production liaison, bringing an intimate perspective to the process ([08:46]-[09:10]).
  • The scripting process is ongoing, aiming for transparency and authenticity over sensationalism: "They don't make a movie about you unless you've done something really bad or really good—or both. In our case, it was both." – Alan ([09:40])
• The challenge of family vulnerability:
  • The emotional difficulty for Al and Lisa in rehashing painful, private chapters for the film, hoping their story of reconciliation will serve others:
    • “We're doing it… if this helps reach some people, because of telling the story in a new artistic place where people can watch it… the movie impacted people that other things hadn't” – Alan ([11:19]-[12:11]).
  • Lisa’s struggle revisiting her trauma; her clinical approach to storytelling as self-preservation: “It's not a place that anyone wants to spend a lot of time mentally, is things that she's gone through.” – Jason ([14:13])
  • The family’s tradition of honesty and openness, even when the truth stings: “People won't come into the light for fear their deeds will be exposed. But… those who live in the light show that what has happened in their life has happened… You can't follow Jesus and not be vulnerable about your life.” – Jase ([24:15]-[25:04])
• Notable new stories to be included:
  • Jase references stories and family memories that have never been revealed publicly, to be considered for the script ([10:58]-[11:06]).
  • Example: A powerful story about confronting an affair and subsequent family upheaval, told from Alex’s perspective of learning the full truth as a young adult ([16:07]-[17:48]).

3. Redemption and Family Healing

• Generational and internal family healing:
  • Alex shares her own journey from adversarial relationship with her mom Lisa during her “prodigal” years to viewing her as an advocate and mentor (“That was starting to be the turning point where I saw her less as an adversary and more as someone who could help me” – Jason, [26:23]).
• Hopes for the film’s impact:
  • The Robertsons are clear that monetary gain is not the motivation—their prayer is for the film to offer healing and hope to those facing similar struggles: “If this helps reach some people, because of telling the story in a new artistic place where people can watch it…” – Alan ([11:19])
  • They wish to include real family members and grandchildren in the final scene, echoing a powerful choice in their previous film, The Blind ([21:57]-[22:13]).

4. Biblical Reflections on Openness and Rebirth

• Link between vulnerability and faith:
  • Citing John 3:20-21 and the examples of Peter and Paul, the hosts discuss how public confession and transparency are central to Christian testimony ([24:15]-[25:47]).
• The power of redemption and spiritual renewal:
  • Jase lists a series of "re-" words—redemption, reconciliation, renewal, remembrance—emphasizing the repeated theme of "again" in the work of Jesus, culminating in the resurrection and new life ([41:26]-[42:09]).
• Connecting the Passion narrative to Old Testament prophecy and the motif of water and blood:
  • Alan and Jase discuss the significance of “water and blood” flowing from Jesus’ side (John 19, 1 John 5:6-12), linking it to Jesus’ miraculous acts, baptism, and ultimate sacrifice ([44:13]-[54:00]).
  • “Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. This is the one who came by water and blood.” – 1 John 5, discussed in-depth ([50:00]-[55:17]).

5. Personal Growth & Family Dynamics

• Jase and Alan’s complex relationship:
  • Humor and honesty surround stories of brotherly conflict, childhood grievances, and eventual reconciliation:
    • “Alan was the problem… he would just lie… and get his friends to physically abuse me. It infuriated me. But in a way, I was also trying to protect him.” – Jase ([21:05]-[21:46])
• Parenting, tradition, and gratitude:
  • Thanksgiving, gratitude, and passing on family legacies are woven throughout—examples include Missy’s sweet potato pies and the importance of teaching thankfulness to children ([31:48]-[32:34], [34:03]-[34:51]).
  • Alan contemplates the significance of Thanksgiving as a practice of national—and spiritual—gratitude ([34:51]-[35:29]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This will be the first opening day he hasn't been in a duck blind in 60-something years. I'm going to be there for my dad." – Alan ([03:29])
• "They don't make a movie about you unless you've done something really bad or really good—or both. Or in our case, it was both." – Alan ([09:40])
• "We're doing it for the same reason Mom and Dad did it… If this helps reach some people… that's what we hope for." – Alan ([11:19])
• "It's not a place that anyone wants to spend a lot of time mentally, is things that she's gone through." – Jason, on Lisa opening up old wounds ([14:13])
• "People won't come into the light for fear their deeds will be exposed… But those who live in the light show that what has happened in their life has happened… You can't follow Jesus and not be vulnerable about your life." – Jase ([24:15]-[25:04])
• "We're hoping... the final scene... might be us and our actual grandkids—ourselves being able to show that this is where God has brought us." – Alan ([21:57])
• "That was starting to be the turning point where I saw her less as an adversary and more as someone who could help me, a mentor or turn into an advocate." – Jason, on his relationship with Lisa ([26:23])
• "That connection is really right... early on the first day of the week... This is a new creation." – Jase, about the resurrection ([42:35])
• "This heavenly death that happened—a being who came from heaven who took on flesh—actually brought life through this suffering... If you want to participate in this heavenly death and in Jesus, then... you're coming back from the dead and you get to live here now as a new person. I mean, it's awesome." – Jase ([56:07])

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Phil’s Last Hunt and Family Duck Blind Traditions
  [02:34] – [05:07]
• Al Announces the Movie with Lisa
  [08:01] – [11:19]
• The Challenge of Vulnerability and Telling Family Secrets
  [14:13] – [17:48]
• Alex’s Perspective on the Family Story
  [16:56] – [18:20]
• Jase and Alan Discuss Brotherly Conflict and Redemption
  [21:05] – [21:46]
• Transparency, Faith, and the Purpose of Confession
  [24:15] – [25:47]
• Biblical Themes: Water, Blood, Renewal, Redemption
  [41:09] – [54:00]
• Closing Reflections on Resurrection and Living in the Light
  [56:07] – End

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Conclusion

This episode of Unashamed is a moving meditation on generational change, family transparency, and the redemptive arc of suffering and faith. The announcement of the film about Al and Lisa is not only newsworthy for fans but serves as a springboard for honest discussions about the cost and reward of sharing one’s hardest stories. Through humor and humility, the Robertsons demonstrate their belief that vulnerability and gratitude—no matter how uncomfortable—are the bedrock of both family and faithful living. The interplay between personal storytelling and biblical reflection offers listeners encouragement and challenge: that God can transform even the darkest chapters into testimonies of hope.

Transcript

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[Jace Robertson]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Alan Robertson]

So welcome back to Unashamed. It's J. I'm calling this the rollout family week because we had different family members.

[Jace Robertson]

Have we ever. Have we figured out if Zach, Is he still alive?

[Alan Robertson]

We don't know. There's no proof of life.

[Jason Robertson]

We're all just trying to fill his shoes.

[Alan Robertson]

That's exactly right.

[Jason Robertson]

Fill his shoes, fill his place.

[Alan Robertson]

We have Alex, my youngest daughter, on today. Welcome, Alex, to Unashamed.

[Jason Robertson]

Hello, everyone.

[Alan Robertson]

It's interesting. You've been on once and, yeah, you weren't there. The reason you don't know is you weren't there. It was Mom. Who else?

[Jason Robertson]

You and my mom?

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah, Lisa. Lisa and me. It was out. I was outnumbered and actually unashamed outnumbered.

[Jace Robertson]

Lisa was going to join us today.

[Alan Robertson]

Lisa was going to join us today. She has come down with a terrible upper respiratory illness for the last, like, five days. And it started we were watching Catching up on a TV series, and from when we started to when we ended one night, it was like we watched three or four episodes. She went from speaking normal to sounding like she was a deep bass to completely losing her voice in four hours. It was terrible. So she's struggling with that.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, she was a squeaky mouse earlier this week.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah. So she. This morning, she was getting better. Yesterday she went and got a couple of shots, but then today she woke up worse, still coughing and terrible. So I said, maddie's got enough work trying to deal with mine and Jason's frogs. Yep.

[Jason Robertson]

Batter up.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

But it's so shocking because it's. It's almost duck season and we're literally setting record temperatures in heat. Yeah. Yeah. We're in the high 80s.

[Alan Robertson]

I pulled in the parking lot this morning. We briefly mentioned it in the last podcast with Philip and Si. But I pull in the parking lot and I start chuckling because Jase had just pulled in. Did you notice it when you pulled in today?

[Jason Robertson]

I guess not.

[Alan Robertson]

You were probably here before us. And Jase has some willow trees, branches.

[Jason Robertson]

Oh, I did notice that. Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And they're literally saying, you did not notice that.

[Alan Robertson]

So I just chuckled. I thought, well, just the season. I mean, it's.

[Jace Robertson]

I turned my truck into an 18 wheeler. It's actually cane, which I have a little place pretty close to my house where this cane grows. And it's what we. What I do with it is. And you're going hunting with us, right? I am.

[Alan Robertson]

Opening day.

[Jace Robertson]

Despite your schedule.

[Alan Robertson]

It's crazy for me to go. And I will say for about two minutes yesterday, I thought, should I just not not go and work on my sermon? But I said, nope. I made a commitment. I'm going open today to honor dad because this will be the first opening day. He hasn't been a duck blind in 60 something years. So I'm going to be there for my dad.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, and it'll also be good because you're in a lot better shape than you were last year. It will not be nearly as painful as it would have been last year.

[Alan Robertson]

It was. It got. It got bad. Hunting is for. You got to be in decent shape to hunt because it's. It's physically.

[Jace Robertson]

That's why I'm in shape. So. So now I'll be intrigued whether I see. Because me and Jay have a side bet on how many brothers were actually participating.

[Alan Robertson]

Because I offer. I extended an invitation to Jeff and Willie. I was like, y' all need to come too. And let's just have all the brothers honored.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

And we're never responded.

[Jace Robertson]

But Jay and I, we. We were.

[Alan Robertson]

I'm gonna be there.

[Jace Robertson]

We chuckled, though. It's because we said there's one thing to be there and hunt. It's another thing since now that we're gonna fill up the blind.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

Somebody.

[Alan Robertson]

Somebody's gotta actually shoot some ducks.

[Jace Robertson]

No. Somebody has to decoys out, put the brush out. And Jay was like, none of them are going to participate. Which is why I have the load of brush. So we're going to go do that. Yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

Because a lot of setup work for open today especially.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, exactly. And. And the backstory on it was that was Phil's last day to hunt. Was actually opening day of last year, which he didn't participate much because he does. He didn't feel well. And it was our best day of the year. Strange. Which was weird.

[Alan Robertson]

It was almost like the Almighty knew this. This was the parting way for dad.

[Jace Robertson]

And the way the hunt went was. It did seem well.

[Alan Robertson]

My expectation, and maybe it's just from years of hunting in the past Jays, is that in this 80 degree weather, we're not going to do anything. But.

[Jace Robertson]

No. Well, we don't have any water this year.

[Alan Robertson]

Water. The temperatures are high. Just.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, you'll have some good conversations. We'll get visiting memories.

[Jace Robertson]

Bring your sermon. We may do that. I'll bring. And I said we probably ought to eat because you got Willie there. It's hard to keep Willie in one spot over an hour.

[Alan Robertson]

He is extreme. Add I say this all across the fruited plains when I tell the story about our personalities and our family, because Willie has a hard time sitting still for anything. He's just always been antsy. It's just the way I think that's.

[Jason Robertson]

Why podcasting wasn't for him.

[Alan Robertson]

That's exactly. Yeah. He just couldn't sit for that long period of time. He was the first one that did a podcast. He did one way back, like on Fox News, years ago, for years, I.

[Jace Robertson]

Would see him when we all met together at WFR. It would be usually about 30 minutes in, and I'd lean over to Missy and I'd say, there he goes. You'd see him get up and she's like, why does he do that every week? I was like, because he can't sit in one spot for more than two years. He just can't do it. There's something. He has to create something.

[Alan Robertson]

So even when he goes to an event, like I noticed, because we did an event with him, I guess, a couple of years ago. It was mom and Dad's last event, actually, and we were in Vegas and like, so we're back in the green room. We're there like two hours early because, you know, you know, waiting. And he's up, he's out, he's back. He goes and sees people in the other green rooms and he's back. I mean, he was never in there for more than 10 minutes straight.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, and I noticed he always sits on the end of the road, always, because he knows he's going to be getting up there.

[Alan Robertson]

I do like that, too.

[Jace Robertson]

I have that problem, too.

[Alan Robertson]

I want to give a mention to Family Research Council. We've been mentioning these guys. And Jase, I thought it was interesting because in the copy here, which you probably wrote, says that they won't back down. And this goes back to your Tom Petty song. So it's kind of funny. Even FRC is like, we get the Tom Petty.

[Jace Robertson]

You're welcome. I got it from Tom Petty.

[Alan Robertson]

So they don't back down. They're out there. And look, when you look and see what's kind of going on, the front lines and kind of the political structure over our country, it's a fight. It's a fight for faith, family, freedom. These guys meet with lawmakers, shape policy. They keep God's truth in the conversation. That's probably the best thing that they do. And Tony Perkins has been one of our close friends for many years. And so they're saying, look, don't sit this out. It's time to act and join alongside these guys. So visit FRC.org unashamed Let's help keep faith alive in America.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, y' all have breaking news, which is why Alex is here. So I guess I'm the moderator for.

[Alan Robertson]

We've kind of been waiting for everything to come together, but it's beginning to look like that we're definitely going to do a movie about Lisa and I, our story. And it's kind of funny because I really, Lisa is kind of more the central role. So it's almost like it's her story, but obviously it's mine because it's, I mean, would that be how you describe it?

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, she's, she's kind of the main character. But it does go. It's a pretty deep dive into both of y', all, both of y' all stories and there's just so much there. I mean, this is like a 20 over 25 year time period that we're trying to fit into an hour and a half.

[Alan Robertson]

So Alex's role. Alex works for Tread Live. Some of you may not know this because I don't know that the last time we had you on, you wouldn't have worked for them, probably, right?

[Jason Robertson]

No, no, I wasn't here.

[Alan Robertson]

So Zach has hired Alex and she does a lot of our copy for things we do, ads and different things and headlines and banners and stuff like that. But she now her role is expanding within the company and so she has taken on one of the leads on this project to kind of be the liaison between us and the writers and everything that goes on in making a movie.

[Jason Robertson]

Part of the scripting team.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah. Which has been great because I mean, to get to work with your kids, you know, we had Brighton and Missy own and of course, Jason, you talked about it being able to Brighton kind of becoming a follower of the podcast. And now what's that, what that has opened up for discussions to have. And I have to say, the first time we had a zoom meeting with, with one of the writers of the movie for the script. And look, we're going back. I mean, we're telling everything, you know, and so, I mean, we've had.

[Jason Robertson]

I always say the dirty laundry is going to.

[Alan Robertson]

They don't make. Same thing I told dad about the blind. They don't make a movie about you unless you've done something really bad or really good or both. Or in our case, it was both. But that first discussion, when you have your youngest daughter there, and we were talking about some of the rougher times of your marriage and getting into some details you hadn't thought about in 25 years, it was a little awkward for me because I was like. And. But Alex was great. She was like, no, dad, it's okay. You know, I've heard the story.

[Jason Robertson]

She had to compartmentalize it. Sorry. A little bit. Just to be like. Especially once we get to the intimate.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah. Some of the rougher parts of our story.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. That was so weird about the blind was. I think they were, like, in the process of making the movie. And Zach, we were just having a conversation, and I said, well, I wonder if you're gonna tell that story. And I told him the story about when I went and visited Phil when he was running from the law. And he's like, I hadn't heard this. He's like, we gotta get that in.

[Alan Robertson]

It made it in the movie.

[Jace Robertson]

It actually made it, or version of it, but.

[Jason Robertson]

And it was a powerful scene, too.

[Alan Robertson]

Very powerful.

[Jace Robertson]

It was.

[Alan Robertson]

Because it showed you really, in that moment, it showed you sort of the depth of where Dad's depravity had taken him in that moment.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. And so I have a couple stories, probably, of Al that have not been revealed that probably should be in this movie.

[Alan Robertson]

So you need to tell. We'll talk after, because now's the time where we're there. I think we have the second version of the script now completed. You know, it takes several times to process through this.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah, the process is.

[Alan Robertson]

And by the way, just so the audience knows. So I'm just going to be totally transparent. There's not much money involved in this. It's just the reason we're doing this is because you're the robbers. They're making all these movies and all this stuff. We're doing it for the same reason that mom and dad did it. If this helps reach some people, because of telling the story in a new artistic place where people can watch it. Because a lot of people, like the movie impacted people that other things hadn't. With mom and Dad's movie and that's what we hope for. And the one thing that I really asked for out of all this more than anything else, I said I want to have access to that. We can do clips from the movie because to have something professionally done by production and then what Lisa and I do in marriage settings and all that, if I can show clips that are actually real actors that are playing us, that are dramatically producing some of these things, that's going to be a great thing to help people.

[Jason Robertson]

It brings it home a little bit to more people and, and people are really looking for that entertainment these days. There's so much out there that is, you know, not good. You wouldn't want your kids to be in the room when it was on. And there are some rough parts going to be in this movie. But it's all true and it's all serving a greater purpose of, yeah, we, we turned it around or God turned it around for us.

[Alan Robertson]

Right?

[Jason Robertson]

And so that's the kind of, the whole narrative, even though, and I realize it might be awkward at times, especially for mom.

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[Jace Robertson]

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[Jason Robertson]

She is getting back into. Because, I mean, we're diving deep into all those memories and motivations and emotions, and so going back into that frame of mind where she was suffering so much and in so much pain and so much confusion and all that. And she. She wants to tell the story, but she's been a little bit clinical about it, to be honest. Just because it's not a place that anyone wants to spend a lot of time mentally, is. Is things that she's gone through.

[Alan Robertson]

And it's sort of like what dad always did. He. He would. He would let you know every time he talked that he was, you know, a worthless reprobate. However, he would frame that, but he framed it in basically three sentences. Three sentences covered 10 years. Well, there were a lot of specifics in there that were really, really bad. And so we went back and did the movie, and you saw it, and it was hard for dad, wouldn't you say, Jason? It was hard for him to watch.

[Jace Robertson]

He was really embarrassed.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And he just shed tears, and it.

[Alan Robertson]

Was hard for him. And. But at the same time, and it's kind of ironic because I had a long conversation with dad about the movie and his trepidation about doing it, and now I had to listen to my own words because now I'm in the same position. I mean, it's not fun to go back and have to portray those things as reality, but they really happen. So we're taking, like, some sentences that we use in a presentation, and now we're doing it as a real.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, and now it's being acted out into a whole scene, and it's been, you know, I kind of knew the story, of course. It's part of my life. I was there, but I was little. I mean, I was less than 10 years old.

[Alan Robertson]

Whenever we think it was about 9 and 11 for you and Anna, something like that.

[Jason Robertson]

So whenever the whole affair was happening and it was coming to light and there was a potential that you and mom would not be together anymore, of course, I remember feeling that there was something weird going on, but not knowing.

[Alan Robertson]

What it was, because we shielded you guys from as much of it as we could.

[Jason Robertson]

Right. So going back and hearing all the, like, ins and outs now and all the stories, and, you know, there was a scene that we talked about that. I'm not sure if it's in your book or not, but you had a suspicion about what was going on, and so you were going to confront this person.

[Jace Robertson]

And.

[Jason Robertson]

And I don't want to give the whole Movie away. But it didn't work out the way that you thought it would. And that was something I'd never heard before.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah, that was one of those stories that I had never really told before, either. I don't think it's in the book either.

[Jason Robertson]

Right. So there's going to be some new ground broken with some of those stories. But it's just crazy to. All these things that I've just known for decades, and now it's like, all right, let's get into the nitty gritty.

[Alan Robertson]

Well, one of the things that impacted me, Rube, we call Alex Ruby. So if I call her Rube, that's what that means, was when we went to South Africa and we talked about this on the last podcast, actually, we're talking about a song, but we went there, and you went with us. And by this time, you were about 16, maybe. And when we.

[Jason Robertson]

I was. I was 18.

[Alan Robertson]

18. So she went with us to South Africa. And, you know, by this time, Lisa and I have been telling our story and all this, but again, not necessarily in front of our kids, because they're not going with us to events and stuff. They're in, you know, high school. Well, she went with us. And so the first time she hears Lisa get up and just share the whole story to this group of women in South Africa, she's just broken down. You were crying. Do you remember this?

[Jason Robertson]

I remember it, yeah. But what. What shocked me was I did not know about her sexual abuse as a child.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jason Robertson]

I hadn't heard that bit of it.

[Alan Robertson]

Right. And so, like, all of a sudden, you know, Alex at 18. So it had been like nine years earlier when we went through all this stuff and upheaval, but now she's hearing some details there she had never heard before him and healing now, because healing had happened in Lisa's life, but it was so upsetting. And so Lisa and I, it was a shocker to us because you feel like your kids kind of get it. But then we got to thinking about, like, well, how would they even know all this information? They weren't. I mean, we were shielding you guys to try to protect you, but now we're out here telling the story, and it was like, we probably shouldn't.

[Jason Robertson]

And I'm like, what?

[Jace Robertson]

That was the good thing about. And Phil and K. Story. They just laid it all out there, you know, so you felt like nothing was a surprise, which was probably the better approach.

[Alan Robertson]

Well, the one good thing about mom, you could say this. Good dad would always just give you two sentences but the mom would give a lot of detail. She was like. She would.

[Jason Robertson]

She was ready. Yeah. She was ready to exercise those demons.

[Alan Robertson]

She was. She would lay it out there.

[Jace Robertson]

But, you know, they kind of had a way about doing that that was disarming to the whole thing. It's like, well, look, God's made us.

[Alan Robertson]

What we are today. Well, and that's exactly what we do, Jace. Because when Lisa and I share together now, I do a little opening thing and I get us to this point where Lisa's gonna take over, and then her stuff is really powerful. And then I always say. I said, well, obviously, you know, this turns out well. Cause we're here tonight, so. But I'm gonna let her know.

[Jason Robertson]

You can guess at the end.

[Alan Robertson]

Exactly. So, you know, it's exactly what it is. Jesus wins in the end, and he certainly has for us. And 25 years later, we're helping people. So that's the purpose of the movie. That's why we're doing it.

[Jace Robertson]

Do we have a target date on this or.

[Jason Robertson]

It's thinking. Well, we're thinking it'll be around Easter next year, so not too far away.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah. So if it all takes off, we would film. This would be filmed early next year and then released pretty quickly after. They're hoping to target by Easter.

[Jace Robertson]

And you don't have a name yet?

[Jason Robertson]

No, not one that we can share.

[Alan Robertson]

No, we're kind of waiting to see about that. You know, you're dealing with other people and, you know, all these different things you have to go through for that kind of thing. But it's. It's true. It's real. It'll. You know, it's. You have to be cinematic. And so you have to realize that going into a movie when you retell a story. So.

[Jason Robertson]

Right.

[Commercial Narrator]

Well.

[Jason Robertson]

And Jace, you and Missy will be played.

[Jace Robertson]

Oh, really?

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah. And Willie and Corey and Jeb. Everybody's gonna be there. You actually have more lines than any. Any Robertson. Except, I think. Except Dad, I think. Yeah. There's several times where we get into.

[Jace Robertson]

What is shocking, because I really don't say a whole lot in life.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, we really are. Your character kind of leans into that, which you admit to openly about being a little bit judgmental in your earlier brother.

[Alan Robertson]

Younger brother. That's why I want to share a.

[Jace Robertson]

Couple of these stories on what caused that, what contributed to that.

[Alan Robertson]

And we've been very open on the podcast about that. You know, we have. So it. Because Jason, I always had a complex relationship, but. And it was my fault because I was Terrible. But I totally take the blame for it. I'm not blaming Jace because. But we became very close after God worked that out, because then we wound up going to school together. And, you know, I told Missy I.

[Jace Robertson]

Was explaining our relationship one night pretty recently, and I was like, this is always weird, because I was like, al was the problem because he did all. He would just lie. You know, I would. I would go.

[Alan Robertson]

I was a complete double agent.

[Jace Robertson]

Tell my parents whatever he was doing. And then not only would he lie about it, he would get his friends then to abuse him. I mean, physically abuse me. And it just infuriated me. So I do think that contributed to me being kind of mean about that later on, because I was just like, this guy. Yep. Because you break that trust and all. But in a way, I was trying to also protect him. And so.

[Alan Robertson]

Because it was your brother.

[Jason Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

Well.

[Jason Robertson]

And there is a really nice. I'm not going to say what it is, but there is a really nice arc to the relationship between you guys that forms throughout the movie.

[Alan Robertson]

I'll say this. And if we need to cut it, we can, Ruby. But we're hoping. The final scene. We're hoping that it might be us and our actual grandkids.

[Jason Robertson]

Ourselves.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah, Ourselves being able to show that, you know, this is where God has brought us. So we're hoping we have that.

[Jace Robertson]

I kind of assume that.

[Alan Robertson]

Well, it's hard to.

[Jason Robertson]

That. And it helps with budgetary restrictions as well.

[Alan Robertson]

Then you don't have to have somebody playing us at this age. But we just thought it would be great. And Lisa really wants to do it as well, if we can actually have our actual family. It's kind of like the scene, which is actually Jason's idea at the end of the Blind where Dad gets to come in and speak as himself.

[Jace Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

That's very powerful at the end.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, I'm not bragging. I think that was the Holy spirit.

[Alan Robertson]

Oh, it was so powerful.

[Jace Robertson]

I watched the movie, Zach, you know, sitting there waiting on the phone for me, because I was. He was like, hey, you know, will you help me promote the movie? I said. I said, well, I'm gonna have to.

[Jason Robertson]

Watch it if it's good.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

He started laughing.

[Jace Robertson]

He was like, oh, I guess I see your point. I'm like, what if it's. I'm not promoting this. But when I watched it, and he was like, sending me texts. Have you watched it yet? It's longer than you knew. It was longer than the allotted time that I've had to watch it. But that was my only critique. I was like, I don't think. I don't think our dad will like this if you don't actually have a part where he shares what he heard in his own words. So get him to do that as, like, bonus footage.

[Alan Robertson]

And I have to say that just from a cinematic point of view, watching movies, don't you love it when it's a movie about real people? When they. At the end, they'll show actual pictures of those real people?

[Jace Robertson]

That's why they do it.

[Alan Robertson]

Exactly.

[Jace Robertson]

And I will watch that every time.

[Alan Robertson]

On a movie because I'm curious then, oh, that's the real person. That's the real family.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, and I have to be very complimentary of you and mom because, you know, going back through all these memories and situations in such detail, I mean, I know it was hard. I could certainly see it for mom, but just, I know that if someone. And, you know, this is obviously, I guess, the growth that you've had over the years, but if someone came to me now and said, hey, we're gonna make a movie about the most tumultuous years of your life, I'd be like, mm, mm, No, I don't think so.

[Jace Robertson]

It's that pass in John 3, which is. It keeps coming up podcast to podcast. When it's talking about, people won't come into the light for fear their deeds will be exposed. But it's the last few verses of that paragraph. What is that, John 3, like 20 and 21 in there. But it's like. But those who live in the light show that what has happened in their life has happened.

[Alan Robertson]

Which is so funny. So funny you brought that up. Because we're going to get there, hopefully at some point, this podcast or next. Because Nicodemus Jesus makes that statement when he just had the conversation with Nicodemus. And then when Jesus is buried later, guess who's there in the light.

[Jace Robertson]

Oh, exactly.

[Alan Robertson]

Which is very, very powerful.

[Jace Robertson]

And that passage is. It's just everybody should have that on the speed dial.

[Alan Robertson]

I love it.

[Jace Robertson]

Because you can't follow Jesus and not be vulnerable about your life. That's right.

[Jason Robertson]

And how many times have you heard a story that has changed how you view your own life or what's happened to you, or opened a doorway that you didn't know was there because you heard something from someone else, and it's like, wow, I didn't know that they went through that, or, wow, I went through that. And now I can see further down the road to what I could be in the future.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, exactly. Look at Peter and Paul. I mean, Peter, the most embarrassing thing you could ever do, deny Jesus three times after you said you wouldn't. And you're like, I'll give my life for you. No, you won't. And then all that happens. And look at Paul. I mean, can't be any worse than that.

[Alan Robertson]

Exactly.

[Jace Robertson]

Killing Christian murderer. But there it is, just all out there for generations to come.

[Alan Robertson]

Well, and to be honest, that's why it's so great to work with you, Alex, on the project, is because nobody has seen more than you and your sister. The growth of both of us, but especially your mom, you know, and that life change. And both of you look up to her so much, and that means a lot to her. She's got a little segment she does in her speech about how people. When she looks at how other people view her, she can see herself through the lens of Christ. And she mentions you guys and the grandkids, and it's just a very powerful. It makes me cry every time she does it in front of an audience.

[Jason Robertson]

Well, and she and I had some hard years in our relationship as well. Whenever I was young and I was, you know, living my prodigal life, you went through some prodigal and, you know, doing a lot of things that I had no business doing that she had already warned me against. And I was like, no, I got this, mom. So that was. There were several years that were hard. So. And actually, I think what you mentioned in South Africa, that was kind of starting to be the turning point there was where I saw her as less of an adversary and more as someone who could help me, you know, a.

[Alan Robertson]

Mentor or turn into an advocate.

[Jason Robertson]

Right.

[Alan Robertson]

You know, and it's funny because you told us when you left and moved to Baton Rouge, you said you'd never come back to West Monroe and, you know, you'd spent your time there. And then, of course, you got married and had a kid and you're like.

[Jason Robertson]

I think I want to come home, mom and Dad.

[Alan Robertson]

I think I'm heading home, which is a blessing for us. So thank you, Ruby.

[Jason Robertson]

Hey. They're not backing down, and you're not backing down from all the ugliness in your story. So there you go. A lot of not backing down around here.

[Alan Robertson]

I love it. All right, let's take a break.

[Jace Robertson]

Great.

[Alan Robertson]

We'll see you on the other side.

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[Alan Robertson]

Welcome back to Unashamed. It was great. It's always great to have your kids on and both of us did this week. I had Jace had to say. I meant to say this in front of Alex, but I forgot. But I had to repent last night for being a hypocrite. Because when Missy was on the podcast earlier this week, we were talking about the holidays and I lamented that we skip over Thanksgiving by going straight from Halloween to Christmas, you know, with this. And Missy and I were kind of talking about this. I know, I know. That's what. Because she had the Thanksgiving. Sure. That's what led me. But so last night. So I was like, yeah, why do people do that? Well, so last night was the night because some people are coming over to help Anna decorate today for Christmas, which we're a week. As we're recording this, we're a Week away from Thanksgiving. So we said we're a week away, and we're decorating our houses for Christmas the next two days. So we had to go pull everything out of the attic and all that. Well, what happens is I forget about it because it's work. You know, everybody's trying to. But we all chip in together. The grandkids are out there, and. But we started doing it, and we're pulling down all this stuff out of the attic and all the decorations and the trees and all that. Well, I'm getting all up in the spirit of Christmas. I'm singing Christmas songs, and I go in and Alex told me that Larry Fleet, who we had on the podcast, remember, a while back, has redone the song that Ray Charles sings on Christmas vacation. That one he sings when Chevy Chase is up in the attic watching it. It's.

[Jace Robertson]

It's been a while since.

[Alan Robertson]

It's a really cool song. It's one of my favorite Christmas songs, and Ray Charles is so good. But I must say. And Larry listens to the podcast. I hope you're listening to this, Larry. You knocked it out of the park. Like, I didn't realize Larry had such a soulful, like.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

Rhythm and blues sound, you know? And so we listened to it last night when we were, like, taking some of the Christmas stuff down, and then we started listening to a lot of his other stuff, because I'd heard some of his other songs. But. So, Larry, you were part of our Christmas. If you're listening, you were part of our Christmas. And he. He has done that song. Amazing. So check it out. If you hadn't already done it, because I think he just released it, like, the last couple of months, but it's one of the better Christmas songs.

[Jace Robertson]

So what was your repentance over?

[Alan Robertson]

One of my repentance is because I was griping about other people getting into Christmas too early, and then here I was doing it totally last night.

[Jace Robertson]

It's kind of a sarcastic repentance.

[Alan Robertson]

It was a sarcastic repentance. I didn't really truly repent because I didn't do anything wrong. But I will say, I get it why you get into the Christmas spirit even a week away.

[Jace Robertson]

I'll tell you, my wife, she. She is just really taking a hold of tradition and passing the legacy on from not only her parents, but her parents. And. Because now she does the sweet potato pies in the spirit of my grandma.

[Alan Robertson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

And she does them.

[Alan Robertson]

And she said. I don't know if she said this on air Monday, but she said her goal now is to do a different dish every year.

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[Jace Robertson]

You know what she's doing this year? The chocolate pie.

[Alan Robertson]

Oh, really?

[Jace Robertson]

She's tackling that. Which. My mom's chocolate pie.

[Alan Robertson]

But she's going to keep the crawfish pie going for Christmas though, right? Because that. Now, that's the only. Okay, good.

[Jace Robertson]

She's going to learn the trot. She's going to try to learn. She tried it once and it was an epic fail. I mean, those recipes.

[Alan Robertson]

Because my family failed on the duck and dressing last year. It just didn't.

[Jace Robertson]

My family, they don't get into the details. It's a. It's a pinch of that and. Oh, you'll know. Like, my dad used to say, oh, hey, you. You can look at it and tell. No, no, I can't, Phil. I. I want to know exactly what I need to put.

[Alan Robertson]

He'll say, because I've watched the videos. There's videos of dad out here doing duck and dressing. He'll say, now you don't. You hit this a lick, but not too much. Just a lick. And I'm like, dad, what is a lick? How does that even.

[Jace Robertson]

Not too much.

[Alan Robertson]

So.

[Jace Robertson]

But it's all good, good fun.

[Alan Robertson]

No, it is. And it's in. It's the spirit of. Of what we do. So.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, we had actually Thanksgiving Day, you know, a week before Thanksgiving for a little man.

[Alan Robertson]

Well, I actually heard it. I was gonna ask you about that because I heard there was a Jace sighting at the little school where my kid. My youngest, Sage, goes there. So they saw you there.

[Jace Robertson]

I saw. I saw BK and other people. And. No, it was wonderful.

[Alan Robertson]

And then the little Luis who works here for us, their little son is in AK's class. But now. So I saw the video and little Louise, who is like half Dominican because his dad is a Dominican, he was. He was. He was doing some serious dancing. Now, little man was more like just kind of little. He was kind of doing hits, you.

[Jace Robertson]

Know, he was just, well, look at my dance. That's basically what it is. I was doing the Trump before Trump made that dance. That is my dance.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah. But I thought, oh, well, I'll give him credit for it. So it was fun. It was all about being thankful. And, you know, when I think about being thankful anyway, I mean, that Romans 1, which is a very brutal chapter in the Bible, it starts off saying kind of the decline of human nature. And it brings up that being thankful, it says, for. Although they neither. This is Romans 1. Gotta get the glasses on. Romans 1. There it is. 21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. And that that's the foundation for where it all goes wrong. Your thinking becomes futile and your heart becomes dark, darkened. So.

[Alan Robertson]

But don't you think it's interesting that our early sort of founders and leaders of our nation thought it was important to have a day to recognize just the gratitude we should have as a people? I mean, you know, no matter what, you go back and study the history of it and it supposedly goes back to like the early settlers and some of the Native Americans that were here joining together for a celebration of gratitude that they could be together. Obviously there were wars fought. A lot has happened since then. But at the same time, I love the concept that we should always find a time to be grateful.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, look, I think one of the hardest things to do, get your kids to be and do when they're young coming up, is being thankful.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, that. That is. It's a foundational.

[Alan Robertson]

Which by the way, Larry Fleet, that just hit me because he has a song called Things I Took for Granted. It's another great song because it's the idea that it's easy for us to take for granted things that we just assume have always been there instead of just stopping saying, you know what, man, I got a lot to be thankful for.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, I mean, we tend to make fun of people whose faith is so deep and impressive that even when bad things happen, they're like, well, I'm thankful for this because now God is going to give me a. Yeah, give me an opportunity here. I mean, but that is the mindset that the Holy Spirit is conveying.

[Alan Robertson]

Isn't that the first thing that James hits in the book of James? I mean, count it. Pure joy when you face trials of many kind.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, but then human beings say, yeah, but he didn't actually mean that. Oh, yeah, that's what he meant.

[Alan Robertson]

He did.

[Jace Robertson]

But it's just so hard to wrap your head around. And I think where we're at in John 19, you're saying this. I mean, Jesus is doing this on purpose. Which it's a verse that I bring up. When he predicted it, when he. When he said, no one is going to take my life, was that John 10. I lay it down freely, I give it. And I think he's purposefully doing that as this is intentional. I can't stand it where these kind of. The denominational world sometimes comes up with this doctrine on, like, why he had to do it. He did it willingly. And I think that's kind of what love is all about.

[Alan Robertson]

So the holidays are here, and it's a time of, of eating as much as anything. I mean, people love to eat at Thanksgiving. You know, it's big deal.

[Jace Robertson]

That's a good tradition.

[Alan Robertson]

Christmas treats.

[Jace Robertson]

Those are there.

[Alan Robertson]

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[Jace Robertson]

Times I could not believe. I was shocked that he refers to God as Father. A hundred. I think it was a hundred. You know, it's depending on translation. It was because somebody had on there 250 times. But I think, I don't know where he was getting that stat. But the actual Greek lexicon I think had 139 that I looked including one.

[Alan Robertson]

Of the last things he said, you know, father, Father, you know that, that when he Cried, you know, why have you forsaken me?

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

That's one of the last things he said.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alan Robertson]

Even in that moment, which is.

[Jace Robertson]

And we read that in, in Psalm 22, and I'd made a point a few podcasts ago that, you know, there's a case to be made that you can find all his sayings in Psalm 22, even the last line of Psalm 22, when to kind of parallel when he said it is finished.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

The last verse of Psalm 22 says, this is. This is after the, you know, the obvious ones. Which Psalm 22. 1. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? The 18 where they divided his garments and cast lots for his clothing. But the last verse says. And this is kind of looking at going through the cross and it says verse kind of got to back up to get the context. But it says, all the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. All the families of the nations will bow down. For dominion belongs to the Lord. He rules over the nations. All the rich of the earth will feast and worship. All who go down to dust will kneel before him. Those who cannot keep themselves alive, Posterity will serve in future generations will be told about the Lord, which is all true. This all came true.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn. And then there's a dash for he has done it.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah, that's good. It is finished.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

He's.

[Jace Robertson]

He's done it. He has reconciled.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

You know what I found interesting now? I don't. I don't know. This just kind of hit me last night. There's so many words in the New Testament and the Old Testament for that matter, but that start with re like again, like, just. Just think about them. Redemption. What. What Jesus, when he said is finished. Redemption, reconciliation, repentance, renewal. There it's just filled with this. On what we once were and what now through Jesus doing this remembrance is another one, remember. Well, in the moment, I thought of a dozen, probably. But just off the top of my head, I thought somebody needs to do a lesson on that.

[Alan Robertson]

That's pretty good.

[Jace Robertson]

We're bringing. He's brought forth. That's why ultimately, I think when he said it is finished, I think it mirrors when God in the first creation, His Father created the earth in sanctuary.

[Alan Robertson]

We have that right here. NT Wright makes a big point of that, that it's a callback to creation and the new creation.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah.

[Alan Robertson]

Genesis 1 to John 1.

[Jace Robertson]

Because look, we've gone through John 19 and we keep revisiting it, looking at the big picture, but this first verse in chapter 20 is very profound and it seems subtle. It says early on the first day of the week. Now do you think he's writing that just coincidentally this is right after the burial he's fixing to discuss. My little heading on chapter 20 says the empty tomb on the first day of the week. Right after he said it's finished. That connection is really right.

[Alan Robertson]

And the body, remember we said from. Was it Deuteronomy 21, a body that was hung on a tree had to be taken off before the Sabbath because this old idea about curse. So again it puts it right in that window you were talking about, about across that three day span, which was the hour before and hour after. I mean it all leads to this moment of renewal on the first day of the week.

[Jace Robertson]

It's a. Not only is it the first day of the week, it not only is it signifying a new week, this is a new creation. Because he's fixing to describe a man claiming to be God being resurrected from the dead.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah, which is, which is going to happen, which we're going to get into.

[Jace Robertson]

Which is why the burial is a paragraph in this section. Because this is proof that he was dead.

[Alan Robertson]

Well, it's also why John says specifically that he saw him die so that he would be able to witness. Remember he said that.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, and then even now you're going back to, to on the, on the cross he sees the blood and water come out when the spear.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah, and I want to mention that because we haven't talked much about that, that kind of why that happened because again, none of these, everything that happens here, there's a reason behind it. But that's where they, they were breaking their legs because they're basically rushing the death. That's the idea. And so what crucifixion did. You basically asphyxiated. That's how you died. You just got to where you couldn't breathe.

[Jace Robertson]

Yeah, it's horrible to talk about. It's awful because you're having to push off the nail to get yourself usually combine both feet, but you're sagging, you can't breathe.

[Alan Robertson]

So what they did was they would come along if they were wanting to speed the process up. And again, this is brutal. They take a big old club and they break their legs where they can't push up anymore. And so basically you just asphyxia. Well, this happened with the two thieves. They broke their legs, but when they come to Jesus. And again, this goes back because there's two texts, Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, where the Passover lamb was to have no bones broken. It had to be, from their perspective, a perfect representation of a lamb. And so that was part of the Old Testament law. With Jesus again, it's one of those little moments of fulfillment. He's not going to have his legs broken. He's going to be the picture of perfection as the hour of Passover lamb. So they go up to break his legs. What they see he's already dead. But they got to know for sure because these people are killers. So he takes a spear and he runs it right into his side. Now, he's already been dead. So we know now from you can read science as to what happens when people dies. So your body begins to break down and so you have these fluids and all this stuff that begins to happen. So they pierce in his side where it's mostly water that flows out, because that's what happens when you die. Your blood quits pumping and so it's just stuck there in your veins, you know, but it's not like, you know, you pierce a live person, you're going to bleed. He's a dead person. He's already dead. And again, this is proving that he's going to come back to life. That's why all this is happening. So we'll know this. But he pierces it. And so you see this idea, water and blood. But I did a little look on that, Jason. I look back just in the Book of John. So you got John 2 where he turned water into wine. You got John 3 where he talks to Nicodemus about water and the spirit. You got John 4 where he talks to the woman at the well about a living water that flows out. You got John 5 and 6 where he talks about his body and also his blood being the life of force for people to live in when he fed the 5,000. And then in John 13, you've got the washing of feet and him talking about the Passover being him being the Passover lamb for blood. It's been all through the text.

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[Jace Robertson]

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[Jace Robertson]

And memory. Also had that conversation with the mom about who's going to sit on the right and the left, which I think he was more given the picture of there were going to be two thieves sitting on the right and the left. But then he makes that statement about can you drink the cup which would represent the blood which goes back to the Lord's supper, or be baptized with the baptism which you're baptized in water that I'm going to be baptized with, which you do that in water. There you have another blood water, subtle reference. And then John himself when he gets to one John and I realize if you look up this, the scholars are all over the place on what this means and I'm not a scholar, but.

[Alan Robertson]

It just seems like the simple answer is usually the right one.

[Jace Robertson]

I mean, and I'll read it for you because I do think there's a connection here.

[Alan Robertson]

I do too.

[Jace Robertson]

Which now you're getting into One John, this is same writer but post what's happened.

[Alan Robertson]

He recorded like 60 years, 50 or 60 years later.

[Jace Robertson]

So now we're having fellowship with the one who did this in an intimate way and through his spirit, which is all over the place. And we're going to study this next. But I felt like I needed to read this because when he gets to chapter five, he says, everyone who believes that Jesus is Christ is born of God. And well, now we're getting back into this conversation with Nicodemus, born from above, which is a heavenly birth as compared to when you were born in an earthly way. And it's still that same principle that the Father gives life. You have all that, that everywhere. And physical fathers on the earth, they in essence give life. You get with a woman and your wife, and what happens, you give life, and the woman is on the receiving end of that, which is kind of the relationship of the Father and the Son. You have this complex community that is known as God the Father, the Son, Holy Spirit. You have one receiving life, one giving life eternally. Which is why you get into that John 17, where he's like, he prays that the love that the Father had for him before the beginning of the creation could be passed on to believers. Which I know that's complex, but. But so then in 1 John 5, he says, this is how this verse 2, we know that we love. This is how we know that we love the children of God, which is this back to this Father giving life. Children would be spawned through this heavenly birth by loving God and carrying out his commands. And he spent this whole book talking about, well, the command ultimately is you love God, he is love, and you love each other. And then it says for everyone, verse four, born of God, overcomes the world. Which gets back to the John 15. You're going to be in the world, they're going to hate you, but you now are a world, a kingdom within the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. I mean, this has happened in being born of God. Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. So then watch where he goes from here. This is the one speaking of Jesus, the son of God who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ. People are like, what does he mean? So most scholars say here, okay, he shed his blood and he was baptized and got the Spirit. You know, remember that I must do this because when you go into, like, universal historical references outside of the Bible, on what everyone agrees with from a historical viewpoint, they all agree that John the Baptist baptized Jesus and that Pilate handed Jesus over to be crucified, which I found that fascinating. We hadn't talked about that much, but when you just look at the outside sources from like, Josephus and these other Romans. Yeah, yeah. They all universally agree. Because, you know, people who follow Christ can't agree on much.

[Alan Robertson]

Right.

[Jace Robertson]

So they all take issue with translations and historical documents. But I find that fascinating that that's the two things that everyone agrees on that happened.

[Alan Robertson]

Yeah.

[Jace Robertson]

In the way that the Bible describes. So then you have this reference about water and blood, Jesus. So that's what people say. But I do think there's something about why is that in there? About piercing him with the spear and water and blood coming out. And then it says, he did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is truth. So I think everything we've said here is all true, whatever the specific meaning here. But then he says, for there are three that testify the Spirit, the water and the blood. And the three are in agreement. We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God which he has given about his Son. So then it goes on to say, anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar because he has not believed the testimony of God. God has given about his Son and this is the testimony. So after going through all that and all the signs and all the fulfillment and the water and the blood and the Spirit being involved, it says, God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who does. He who has the Son has life. He who does not have the Son of God does not have light.

[Alan Robertson]

So think about Joe. So that's written by a young man, and we're assuming, based on historical information, this. He was a very young guy, John, and he wrote those words you just read. He wrote them quite a bit after it actually happened. But he wrote it as a guy, as a young man who was sitting there with Jesus, mother, some other women, and he watched the spear go in the side. He watched the water and blood flow out. He knew that Jesus was dead. He was the first one there at the tomb with Peter. And he saw that he wasn't there and then saw him later as a resurrected Lord. And then he saw him leave and promised the Holy Spirit was poured out. We read about in Acts 1 and Acts 2. So this guy saw it all. Yeah, and told us the testimony. And so, I mean, it's very powerful.

[Jace Robertson]

Well, the reason I bring brought this up and we discussed it is because you say, well, what does all this mean? You realize that this heavenly death that happened, a being that came from heaven who took on flesh, actually brought life through this suffering through all the evidence that we just read, having the spear and that trickles down to us. You're like, if you want to participate in the heavenly death death and in Jesus, then the physical death, the result of you having the same spirit that he had, is going to turn out just the same. You're coming back from the dead and you get to live here now as a new person. I mean, it's awesome.

[Alan Robertson]

To one of your reason, renewal through redemption, which is powerful and awesome. Well, we're out of time. We'll see you next time on Understanding. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.