Ep 1220 | Jase Suffers a Creepy Encounter Alone in the Woods & Where Do Our Souls Go When We Die?

Summary

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Ep 1220 | Jase Suffers a Creepy Encounter Alone in the Woods & Where Do Our Souls Go When We Die?

Date: December 2, 2025
Hosts: Jase, Jason, Zach

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Robertson brothers reunite to honor the legacy of their father with an opening day duck hunt, reflect on deep questions about death and the afterlife, and explore the biblical and theological concepts surrounding what happens to the soul when we die. The discussion offers personal anecdotes, biblical exposition, and a bit of signature Robertson humor as they delve into the meaning of resurrection, burial customs, and Christian hope for eternal life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Robertson Brothers Reunite for Duck Season ([05:14]–[09:15])

• The brothers discuss their plans to duck hunt together for the first time in decades in honor of their father, who passed away last summer.
• The unique dryness of the season is highlighted—boots are not needed for this year's hunt due to lack of water.
• Willie is characteristically hedging his commitment, citing a busy schedule but shows intent to attend:

  “What time are we meeting? ... I have a tight schedule. I have to flip a coin at the Louisiana Tech Liberty football game tomorrow.” —Willie via Jason ([06:45])

• The hunt is a symbolic passing of the torch and a way to uphold family legacy:

  “The four brothers ... will be in the blind tomorrow. The last time we probably all four were ducking together would at least be a couple of decades ago.” —Jase ([05:55])

2. Family Updates and Personal Stories ([09:45]–[16:34])

• Zach shares that his kids’ band, Max and Layla Dash, will open for Larry Fleet’s tour, including a European leg ([10:33]).
• He revisits the adoption story of his daughter, Ruth, and marvels at God’s providence and the unexpected way his family expanded ([15:56]).

  “Me and Jill had a ... moment of tears just remembering how blessed we are now that we have Ruth in our life ... it wasn’t random on God’s part.” —Zach ([16:10])

3. The Crucifixion and Prophecy Fulfillment ([17:17]–[21:47])

• The hosts discuss the culmination of Jesus’ signs in John 19: the crucifixion, with emphasis on how Old Testament prophecies (especially Psalm 22) are fulfilled.
• Zach points out the narrative arc from Genesis to Jesus’ work:

  “…the Bible’s a story of how God gets his family back... if you read the culmination of Psalm 22 ... all the families of the nations will bow down before him. For dominion belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.” —Zach ([19:35])

• The phrase “it is finished” marks the completion of this cosmic mission and the launching of a “new creation.”

  “Now we enter the 8th day.” —Jase quoting N.T. Wright ([21:42])

4. Burial of Jesus: Historical & Theological Importance ([21:59]–[31:09])

• The passage about Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus preparing Jesus’ body for burial is read and discussed.
• Significance in apologetics:

  "If they would have buried him in just a normal tomb, ... who knows where he would have been buried? But the fact ... [it was] Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb ... really is a tremendous evidence in the defense of this claim that Christ rose from the dead…" —Zach ([25:05])

• Modern archaeological findings support the biblical accounts of burial practices ([28:08]).
• Jason shares his experience visiting a tomb in Israel and reflects on the impact of physically exiting the tomb as a moment of affirmation in faith ([29:21]).

  “I like the preacher analogy—the stone was rolled away to let us in, not let him out.” —Jason ([30:14])

5. Jase’s Creepy Encounter Alone in the Woods ([31:09]–[34:25])

• While treasure hunting alone, Jase is surprised by a stranger in the woods, sparking a candid conversation about faith.
• Jase quizzes the man ("Are you following Jesus?"), leading the man to admit he’s “on the fence”, prompting a deeper conversation about seeking God ([32:29]).

  “You’re either all-in or all-out. ... Go get you a Bible and read the book of John and look at who Jesus is and then go all in.” —Jase ([33:40])

6. Where Do Our Souls Go When We Die? ([35:00]–[57:57])

• The core question: What happens to us—soul and body—between death and resurrection?
• The hosts break down the biblical view of human nature:
  • Humans are both body ("dust of the earth") and the breath/spirit of God ([45:57]).
  • Zach references Dallas Willard: spirit as executive center/will; soul as the integration point—the wholeness of one's being ([49:38]).
• Science and faith: Jason cites the law of thermodynamics to confirm that matter is not destroyed but transformed, paralleling the scriptural idea of death and future resurrection ([40:26]).
• Cremation, burial, and the New Orleans cemetery practices are discussed light-heartedly, concluding that regardless of the process, all end as “dust.”

  “Eventually everybody’s cremated. It may take some time, but you’re all going to wind up there ... To the point of should ... can we be ... is it wrong to be...” —Jase ([53:01])

• The resurrection hope:

  “Whatever happens after we die right here ... it’s not the final thing.” —Zach ([57:16])

• Foundation in Genesis: God’s intent was for humans to unite spirit and body in ruling creation; death is treated as an invader, not God's original plan ([44:18], [54:18]).
• Jesus’ resurrection “resets” humanity’s fate, offering hope for a restored, eternal body ([56:52]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On legacy and brotherhood:
  “The last time we probably all four were ducking together would at least be a couple of decades ago.” —Jase ([05:55])
• On prophecy and cosmic plan:
  “The Bible’s a story of how God gets his family back.” —Zach ([19:35])
• On apologetics:
  “People could go back to it and say, look, the grave’s empty. ... the actual grave itself was never memorialized, because that wasn’t the point.” —Zach ([25:05])
• On the resurrection and faith:
  “I like the preacher analogy—the stone was rolled away to let us in, not let him out.” —Jason ([30:14])
• On death and the afterlife:
  “To be a human, like, we're not just a spirit, we are spirits with a body. ... The distinctive role of our humanity ... is the connecting place of heaven and earth.” —Zach ([49:38])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Highlight | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 05:14 | Brothers discuss their upcoming reunion hunt to honor their father’s legacy | | 09:45 | Zach shares band/parenting updates; revisits adoption story of his daughter Ruth | | 17:17 | Introduction to spiritual themes—Jesus’ crucifixion, prophecy, and Psalm 22 | | 21:59 | Reading and discussing burial of Jesus; introduction of Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus | | 25:05 | Apologetic significance of Jesus’ known, wealthy tomb | | 29:21 | Jason shares emotional moment in Israel’s “tomb” site; the stone rolled away analogy | | 31:09 | Jase recounts his tense, faith-focused encounter alone in the woods | | 35:00 | Dialogue on what happens at death; science, scripture, and eternity | | 40:26 | Law of thermodynamics and the parallel with biblical anthropology | | 45:57 | Genesis reading: Adam formed from dust and breath; physical and spiritual components of human existence | | 49:38 | Zach explains body, soul, and spirit in biblical terms | | 53:01 | Practical observations on burial, cremation, and what ultimately matters for resurrection | | 56:52 | Concluding remarks: Jesus’ burial and resurrection as a cosmic “reset”; preview of next episode’s deep dive into the afterlife |

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Summary

This episode is a quintessential "Unashamed" blend of honest family storytelling, robust scriptural teaching, and playful banter. With the brothers’ reunion for their father’s legacy duck hunt as a backdrop, the conversation moves into weighty territory about the Christian hope of resurrection, the meaning of death, and what truly happens to the soul. Using both personal anecdotes (including a tense solo woods encounter) and deep biblical grounding, the Robertsons encourage listeners to see death in light of the resurrection—the ultimate reset given by Christ for God’s "forever family". The episode ends with a promise to address more on the soul’s journey after death in the next discussion.

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For listeners wanting both the warmth of family legacy and answers to profound spiritual questions, this episode delivers both in classic Robertson style.

Transcript

[Jason]

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[Jase]

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[Jase]

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[Jason]

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[Jase]

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[Jason]

I am unashamed. What about you?

[Jase]

Welcome back to Unashamed. And believe it or not, Jay, Zach is back in the house. We've been missing him a few episodes. Zach, welcome back to the unashamed pie. I feel like you're a guest. You've been gone so long.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's good to be back.

[Jason]

Is there a resurrection involved in this?

[Zach]

Is there a resurrection involved? Well, I was with your brother, both of Yalls brother, Willie Robertson out in San Diego.

[Jase]

He told me he was in San Diego. I didn't realize that was included you.

[Zach]

But it was cold. It was freezing cold and it was raining. I'm like what. I mean it was, it was, it was, it was strained. The weather was very strange because every time I've been to San it say sunny San Diego. It was not, not very sunny.

[Jase]

Before we get to our text, Jays were wearing poncho shirts. What does that you are to today? Yeah, Poncho is one of our, one of our sponsors, one of our partners and Jason wanted us to wear the same shirt today. But you and I don't. I mean it's like when they, when Lisa tried to get. Remember back in the day when they had the Airbrush, you know, his and hers. I just.

[Jason]

My wife is. All the time. And I mean all the time. As in the last 35 years. Tried to coordinate like Christmas pictures.

[Jase]

I felt like that's what happened when I came in today. They were trying to get Jason out of where the same shit we. I thought you and I are the same size now. But still. Still no, because I'm wearing a large. But I thought you were a large. But you're wearing a medium and a medium.

[Jason]

And it's a little big on me, so. But it's because I do stuff. That's what you and Zach don't realize. I mean, Zach had Zach.

[Jase]

I still do stuff. I'm just out.

[Jason]

Zach went to a meeting and it lasted a week. Yeah, well, you know, sitting around eating bonbons and donuts for a week. You know, I went treasure hunt yesterday. I'm about to 8am Till dark. I walk more miles than you probably walked, Al, and you're in decent shape now.

[Jase]

I walked about three miles yesterday myself. So, Zach, so you, you, you've been high on Poncho shirts for a long time, right before they were.

[Zach]

Well, what's funny is I. Yeah, but I had this shirt a while back and I, I got a lot of people, like they, believe it or not, this is going to shock y', all, but I'm kind of a fashion icon for the Unashamed Nation now. I'll get emails.

[Jason]

I'm telling you, I feel to have a little laughy face.

[Jase]

These people put these little, like a little emoji.

[Jason]

Just put them up behind his head, Maddie, as he's talking, I'm telling y'.

[Zach]

All, you'd be surprised at how many people. This one particular shirt, for example, I had a lot of people say, hey, where'd you get that from? So then when Poncho reached out to the sponsor, I was like, hey, that's perfect. Everybody, everybody wants to know. Anyway, so. Yeah, they're great shirts.

[Jase]

Well, I will say this, this shirt is super comfortable and I do like their product a lot. So if you're, if you're looking for some really good looking stuff and Lisa likes them as well, which she's got. I've gotten to the point in my life where my wife buys more clothes for me than I do. I've hit that place.

[Zach]

Well, we're there. I'm there too.

[Jase]

Yeah. And so, so Poncho is a good place to do that. So we love these guys and, and we're glad to have them with us. It's like 80 degrees here. But I got out of the truck this morning. I don't. This will air later. But when I got out because opening day duck season is tomorrow.

[Jason]

Oh, it's duck season Eve.

[Jase]

And I got out of the truck and I was like, it doesn't feel like it's super dry. It's hot. I mean, it's like weird turn of.

[Jason]

Events with the weather and the lack of water.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I did something I've never done before. I put out the decoys day before yesterday.

[Jase]

I know, Jay, tell me. So I was asking Jay. Jay says, like, because I'm going tomorrow. First time in probably three or four years. And I said, what kind of boots do I need? And he just started laughing. And he was like, you don't need boots. We're on dry ground. And I was like, what. What kind of hunt is this? I've been going too long.

[Jason]

Well, we're doing crazy things. It's never been this dry in November.

[Jase]

So Jason sent out a challenge after. After dad made the crossover to the Awaiting the resurrection last summer.

[Jason]

Now we're going to talk about that today.

[Jase]

Yeah. So I made a challenge to my brothers that I was going opening day to honor dad. And I said it'd be great if we were all there. Well, of course, in classic Robertson fashion, I never hear a word either one of them. So I didn't know until yesterday that they have answered the challenge. The four brothers. The four brothers act will be in the blind tomorrow. And I'm going to say the last time we probably all four were ducking together would at least be a couple of decades ago. I mean, it's been a long time.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Well, Willie's still working it out. He just sent me a text that I think I should read.

[Jase]

Oh, you should.

[Jason]

It's breaking news.

[Jase]

Good, because I have heard Zippo.

[Jason]

It sounds like he's coming. He said, what's the boot situation tomorrow?

[Jase]

Just exactly what I asked.

[Jason]

What time are we meeting? Also, I have a tight schedule. Listen to this. I have to flip a coin at the Louisiana Tech Liberty. Liberty football game tomorrow. So it's definitely a time crunch to get out of there. I just put. Let me check because we were about to start. But it sounds like he's coming.

[Jase]

And I wonder, is that game at In Rustin or in.

[Jason]

I guess so. I think he was. He was kind of sowing the seed.

[Zach]

I mean, he's sowing the seed for.

[Jase]

He's only going to be there for a minute is what he's saying.

[Jason]

You got to remember about Willie. He. He's not known for his duck hunting. Now, he's never loved it, but he's not an idiot. So he realizes it's 80 degrees. It hasn't rained in weeks.

[Jase]

Yeah, we're not our expectations.

[Jason]

What are we doing here? I want to just plant the seed that I want to leave as soon as possible.

[Jase]

Exactly.

[Jason]

And I don't really blame him, but you never know. It is opening day.

[Jase]

Well, the difference is.

[Zach]

So he probably called his assistant, said, give me something to do tomorrow.

[Jase]

I need anything. Something else I can get out of there.

[Zach]

Something.

[Jase]

But no, Willie's still going off of the old ways. It used to be when dad was there, because dad ran a tight ship, and he didn't like anybody leaving early. And so, like, if you had to go, it was always awkward because he would not be happy with you for leaving because he one is. It causes a bit of an uproar to get somebody out of the blind, take them to the bank, which, you know, probably tomorrow's not be that big of a deal because you walk wherever you go.

[Jason]

This will be the easiest hunt. It's on the closest proximity of our property. It's the only place we have water.

[Jase]

I was having to find guns. You know, I was having to go through all my stuff.

[Jason]

I've already brushed the blind and actually, Willie, a couple of his. His employees came with me and Jay and worked. I never seen that from any employee. At Duck Commander, working is usually optional.

[Jase]

But that may be because the big man is coming. Maybe you got his little entourage. Well, I. They'll be filming it, so. Because we're all together. But it is a great honor for dad. I mean, the reason I'm doing it is because of dad, so I'm.

[Jason]

Well, his. You know, my dad's last official duck hunt was opening day last year, so here we go. We're. We're. We're passing the legacy.

[Jase]

Yeah, the legacy goes on, which I think will be a cool thing. So I'm super excited. And it just worked out because I'm preaching this week, too. So I kind of had legacy on the brain. You know, our. Our topic. My topic is forever family. So it's just a lot of cool stuff.

[Jason]

Yeah. So we'll see how it go. We'll give you a report next time we're together. Well, maybe the time after we're together because we're doing another podcast.

[Jase]

Oh, that's right. Exactly. So, Zach, is anything else in your world you can tell us where we launch in here?

[Zach]

What's going on in my world. Yeah, I do have news. This is kind of exciting, actually. So you. You guys remember when we had Larry Fleet on the podcast?

[Jase]

So I actually talked about him recently because I just heard his Christmas song. He redid the song. Do you remember the song from Christmas vacation that Ray Charles did? That when Chevy Chase is watching the reels of his old family? That really soulful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He. He's redone that song this year and released it for Christmas. And it is so good. And I meant to count.

[Zach]

I can't remember the song. Is it like a. It's it.

[Jase]

But, you know, it's just like a real soulful, beautiful song. I'll find the name of it. All right, tell your story.

[Zach]

So, anyways, so I guess Max must have connected with him while. When they came when we were filming in Nashville. And so Max called me up a couple days ago and said, you're never going to guess who reached out and asked us to come open for his tour. And I said. And I started throwing out names, just. He said, not Larry Fleet. So Max and Layla Dash of the band, they're actually going to be doing a tour with Larry Fleet, and then I think they're even going to go over into Europe and do his European tour. So they're. They're fired up.

[Jason]

So next year, is Max going to grow his beard out now? Because, you know, I don't think Max.

[Zach]

Has quite got the testosterone levels enough to.

[Jase]

He.

[Zach]

He can't do it. I hate to say it.

[Jase]

Sure.

[Jason]

Yuppie blood. Just hold on.

[Zach]

Can read? Grow beard?

[Jason]

I think so.

[Zach]

I don't know. I'd have to say.

[Jason]

Last time I saw Reed, he. Yeah, he was wearing a beard.

[Zach]

Well, Max ain't there yet. I'll admit it. Max is not there yet. He's got a little.

[Jase]

Seems to be a little something lost on the next generation because, you know, we have John Luke on the Hillsdale podcast, and he's got a little kind of dad would call it psychiatrist beard that looks like it's trying to fit.

[Zach]

John Luke and grow a beard, though.

[Jason]

He's.

[Zach]

He's got a. He could. He could do a beer.

[Jase]

He can do the full beer.

[Zach]

He could do the full beer. Okay, I'll give him.

[Jase]

So it's called the Spirit. That spirit of Christmas. Christmas. Zach and Ray Charles did it in 1985.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

I think they're going to say, no, dad, we're good.

[Jase]

Zach's trying to turn around the American dream. He's like, take care of old dad.

[Zach]

That's what I'm saying. I've been poured into this whole thing.

[Jase]

I agree. That boy, when you get stuck in the middle where you're taking care of your kids and kind of doing the same thing towards your parents, you, you. We're just kind of trapped in the middle here.

[Jason]

Seems like every time I have a conversation with Zach, I end up quoting the rich young rudoverse. Go Sell it all, Zach. Sell it.

[Zach]

There may not be anything left to sell if I keep hemorrhaging, you know, but. Oh, it's funny. So. But it's all good, though. We're, you know, with this meeting that we went to is funny because the. The last. When I was there four years ago was when we got the call about Ruth. And so every time we go to this particular meeting, it brings back that memory of I was about to go on stage and. And present. And we get the call and Jill's like, you know, hey, read this text. And it was essentially a young lady who. She was about 21 years old, had some issues, substance abuse, just got out of jail, got pregnant, and had called one of Jill's mom's friends and said, hey, who ran the staffing agency and said, hey, can you help me get a job? Because I'm pregnant and I need 600 and whatever dollars to have an abortion. And I don't know why this lady told her this, but she said, would you keep the baby if I. If I can find you a family that would adopt? I think I have this family that would want to adopt your baby. I don't know why she told her that, because we weren't in the market for adoption. I had told Jill, you know, I did tell Jill if somebody ever knocked on our door and asked us to adopt their baby, that I would. I would say yes to that, thinking that's never going to happen. And so she called Jill and said, hey, I got this young girl that is wanting you to adopt her baby. Would you guys be willing to do it? And so I'm looking at this text and I'm just like. And I don't know where the Holy Spirit just came over me because I was. I was very scared to do that.

[Jase]

And.

[Zach]

But the Holy Spirit just came over me, and I got this overwhelming. Just peace and conviction. I was like, tell her we'll adopt the baby. And I went on, and I went on and made the presentation, and I was actually presenting this movie, the Blind, for the first time. And so it's kind of crazy how all that comes full circle. But it was kind of a. Me and Jill had a. We had a couple moments of tears just remembering how. How blessed we are now that we have Ruth in our life and how all that happened is just that. That seemingly random moment. It wasn't random on God's part, but it was in our. In our minds. It was kind of random. But then I was like, but the Lord knew what he was doing. So, yeah, it was cool.

[Jase]

I don't know if it's because of her story about that you just described how it all came to be or what. I'm sure that's part of it, but your daughter is about the sweetest child I've ever seen. So, I mean, just every time I'm around her, you know, I have the same feeling. You just described Zach. So, you know, I don't know, maybe it's just because this whole idea of how it connects to us being sort of adopted, you know, from the Ephesians, one context of, you know, Jesus getting us into this great forever family. I don't know if it's that that's it or what, but something about that touches me as well. So it's very special. Y' all ready to get into. Back into John?

[Jason]

So.

[Jase]

So, Zach, while you've been out, we kind of had a parade of guests, mostly family who came in. We had different ones we had.

[Jason]

That means he can't remember.

[Jase]

As means I can't remember. But it was some of those people. Yeah. Some ins. Some inside our own wings. Jason, I. Some outside, but we had a lot of family. Nobody, of course, could be quiet. They tried to all be their Zach intellectual, but nobody can be Zach. But we kind of been hanging out in John 19 because it is, as one family member put it, it is the biggest moment in human history that we're to. At this point in our text and our study. I think it gets even bigger here in about the next chapter. But it's huge, obviously, what Jesus did for us. And so we've been talking about that, and we're about ready to move to his burial, which is kind of new territory for us. But before we did, I was just going to ask you, because you hadn't been here in a while. You know, we talked about the things Jesus said on the cross because there were like seven different statements. Three are in John. Jase has pointed out that most of those statements were prophesied about in Psalm 22.

[Jason]

Yeah, it was fascinating.

[Jase]

Yeah. Along with.

[Jason]

Or like, inferred to.

[Jase]

Exactly. And then a couple other psalms as well, directly. And so all these things had been talked about, had been pointed to. There was really no reason to miss it. And yet everybody was seeming to miss it, you know, including his own followers, even in the moment. And so everybody's wondering what's going on. We also talked about the. This is the culmination of the signs that John has been kind of talking about. This idea about leading up to the cross, because this is when things are about to diverge and the new kingdom is about to begin. So I just wonder if. Is there any other comment you want to add to it before we move to them actually putting him in the ground? Because there's a lot of things to talk about with that, too. So I don't. Was there any last things you want to talk about in terms of the crucifixion or Jesus on the cross?

[Zach]

Well, I haven't listened to what y' all talked about, so I'd have to go back and see if you hit it all. But. But I will say this, that I love the.

[Jase]

I love the.

[Zach]

The end of that. Psalm 22 is so. It's so powerful because if you think about how much we talk about the kingdom on this podcast and, and the generations and the nations coming up that hill to worship the one true God and, And how God is just basically, Jay says it this way, that the Bible's a story of how God gets his family back. And like, that whole idea, like, think about that. And then. And if you read the culmination of Psalm 22, that's essentially what he says at the end of Psalm 22. Because we'll read Psalm 22 all the time and talk about. You know, when you read the first part of it, you're like, oh, my gosh, he's talking about the crucifixion of Jesus. And yeah, he is. I mean, it's very prophetic. But also read the end of it in verse 27, 28, and it takes it back to that eschatological end, which is all the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him. For dominion belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations. So even. Even in this passage, which is a prophetic word about the crucifixion of Christ, you still. You still see it's all anchored in that whole Genesis 1. Have dominion, cultivate the earth, be fruitful and multiply, have families. And it's all. That's. That is the. The whole trajectory throughout the entire Bible. So I just love that even in this part of the crucifixion, like. Like the Lord knew. I'm not going to leave this part out. This is why Christ is dying to accomplish this end, this goal purpose of the whole thing. So I was just. I just wanted to point that out.

[Jase]

The it is finished point kind of really goes to that idea that that was kind of the whole mission. That was all in this moment. Paid is kind of the Hebrew word there for that. Just one word, paid, you know, paid.

[Jason]

Well, and I think there's a connection to the first creation.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

When he's, you know, he did his work and now set to launch the new creation.

[Jase]

Right.

[Jason]

And the last verse of that Psalm 22 seems to say the same thing. It is done.

[Jase]

The way N.T. wright puts it. I love it. He says, now we enter the 8th day is the way he kind of framed it.

[Jason]

Well, John 20, verse one. It starts out on the first day of the week.

[Jase]

Right.

[Jason]

Okay. So everything's new here.

[Jase]

Yeah. Which I think is pretty good. So y' all ready for me to read this next section?

[Zach]

Oh, yeah.

[Jase]

We get to the end that we read at 37, they will look on the one they have pierced, which is again another Psalm 22. And so that's this last moment of Jesus life. He's dead now. And then we get to verse 38. Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Somewhere in this process, this happens. Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. So this is another one of those where he's in leadership. He's part of the Jewish Council. And I did a little bit of research on him. Obviously, he was a wealthy man. And one of the other gospels talks about him. It's his tomb that he puts him in because it's pretty close to where they are. With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away. And here's a little interesting, fun fact. He's got our old friend, who we've seen a couple other times in John. He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about 75 pounds, which would have been very expensive. This idea to, you know, to wrap Jesus in these spices and everything that they typically would do for a Jewish burial. Taking Jesus body, the two of them wrapped it with the spices and strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, another garden. Jays. And in the garden, a new tomb in which no one had ever been laid because it was the Jewish day of preparation. And since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

[Jason]

And what kind of tomb was it? New.

[Jase]

New. New tomb for a new king.

[Jason]

There was something fixing to happen here that hadn't happened before. That wasn't the point. But it really was a new tune. It was a new kind of tune.

[Jase]

Yeah. Exactly.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

And.

[Zach]

And there was other tourists out there that were there to commemorate his life. Just to be. To be there. His grave is there, and you're just. You're looking at this, and it's a very special moment that never happened around Jesus. And the reason why is because he was not in the grave. There was nothing to commemorate about the grave because he wasn't in there. I just think that's incredible evidence for his bodily resurrection.

[Jase]

In preparation of where we're headed next when we get to chapter 20, I was doing some research about graves in that area, and I didn't know this until I saw it recently. That there was a grave near where they think this area was is the best way to put it, because you don't know for sure, but they know in the general area where this. And you've probably visited there.

[Jason]

I visited there, yeah. But they said that maybe.

[Jase]

Maybe. Right. So in that area, they did find a grave that they have taken that they believe was from the first century, but later it would have been right around before 70. So like 66. But enough where it's in that general area. And at least they found a body and how it was wrapped. Of course, the bones were still in it. Now, again, this has nothing new with Jesus, but what I found interesting is the whole process that's talked about here was exactly as it's described here with this body. So what I'm Saying is, you read these things, and for us, you know, we've kind of got our modern way of how we do funerals and all that, but it's exactly the way they did it. And they've actually found a body in the bones wrapped. It's still wrapped in all the stuff they were talking about.

[Jason]

Oh, for 15 or $20, which was three or four years ago, you can go up there and this is the tomb. You enter it and they do it one at a time. Or like, if you're married, you know, like, me and my wife went in, but. So it's like a little small.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

But once you go in, it looks like a little room that's been.

[Jase]

Because it almost has like a rock shelf kind of.

[Jason]

Well, it's kind of excavated, you know, with just kind of the place where you lay down, which is just a rock bed. And this, the one we went in had two little rooms.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And they have it lit. But what's so interesting is. And I had a moment because they're, of course, they're charging to do this, but when you stick your head back out, something happens to you. Something physically came over me from a spiritual perspective, because I thought, well, this is what I believe. I believe this happened, that he came through here even though he didn't have to. It's like that question about, well, why was the stone rolled away? Because really, if you had the power to come back from the dead, what's this stone you speak? And so I like.

[Jase]

Because he's going to walk through some doors later.

[Jason]

I like the preacher analogy of the stone was rolled away to let us in, not let him out, which I think is a good point. And really, when they come to the tomb, they more believed on what they didn't see, which is, I think, a prelude to faith. The fact that the body wasn't there is what was really exciting. So I think we do need to get into, you know, what happened here. How does this happen? Because really, you know, I had a guy yesterday when I was talking about. I did stuff yesterday. You know, I went treasure hunting and I was with a large group, and I kind of broke off from the group. Well, I found a hot spot, so I started finding this stuff, and people didn't want to come in. All my buddies didn't want to come. It's kind of an unwritten rule.

[Jase]

It's kind of like fishing, Right. If you found some fish, you're not just coming over there. Crowd of man, small area.

[Jason]

So I looked up at one point and they Were all gone. They had moved somewhere else. And so I was by myself, but I was still finding stuff. It was a spectacular day. But at some point, I just looked up and there was a guy standing there, which made me nervous for a second. Young buck.

[Jase]

Because you've got the headphones on.

[Jason]

Got the headphones on. I'm pretty good ways from any road or my truck. And he's made the walk out there because he recognized me from a distance. And I said, what's going on? And he said, well, I thought that was you. I just wanted to see if it was. I thought that was a long walk, just for confirmation. But he said something about Camp Chioka. And I thought, okay. And so I said, well, are you following Jesus? Because I thought, this is a. This is a situation here where I don't know what his intentions are, Right? So let's go ahead and cut to that chase, because if he's planning on putting me in the ground here, you know, because he was just acting kind of weird. And he said, well, I try to. And I thought, huh? I said, most people I've heard say that that usually means they're not exactly.

[Jase]

It was just like, Jason. I was at a hotel recently, and I handed Guy a letter, and I said, can you get this in the outgoing mail? He said, I can certainly try.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jase]

I didn't feel good about that. And guess what? It never got there.

[Jason]

Exactly.

[Zach]

Well, to be fair, that's a. That's a good communication policy. If you can't, don't promise things you can't deliver. That's right.

[Jason]

Yeah. So that led to some clarity. I didn't ask him anything else. It led to. He said, yeah. He said, I kind of have always felt I'm on the fence. And I said, what fence is that? And he's like, oh, you're right. Which I didn't say anything. I just asked another. I was trying to go.

[Jase]

You went, jesus. Out of you.

[Jason]

Question by question. I said, what fence is that? And he said, yeah, you're right. He said, I think the devil's fence is in the wrong pasture or something like that. And I said, well, what do you.

[Jase]

Do is ask a question. He took your point out.

[Jason]

All I did was ask three or four questions. I said, what. What do you plan on doing. Doing about this? And he said, well, I don't know. I guess that's why I walked out here. I said, okay, well, here's what I would.

[Jase]

So now who's seeking the treasure in the field?

[Jason]

So after those three questions, which what's actually interesting is while I'm at that point of the conversation, another person pulls up and starts walking out toward me and him. And I said, well, looks like I have a. Have another person on their way out here to hear this same story. But because he never said why he was there. Never said. I said, you need to go get you a Bible and read the book of John and look at who Jesus is and then go all in. Because you're right to your point about the fence. You're either all in or all out. I said, where do you think you are? And he said, I think I'm all out. I said, well, go get you a Bible.

[Jase]

So he got off the fence before the conversation was over.

[Jason]

He turned around and took half a mile walk back there.

[Jase]

So the next guy who I actually.

[Jason]

Recognized was part of the other crew.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

But in the moment, I wasn't sure who he was.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And he said, what was all that about? I said, he came out here and I guess. Yeah. He thought, who is this? Because the guy looked, you know.

[Jase]

Yeah. Look like he's on the fence.

[Jason]

Yeah. Well, you know, I just thought it took a lot for a person to park their vehicle and walk.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

But to my point, the reason I brought that up, I think when you get to this section, I mean, we're just reading the details, to Zach's point, about what happened, which seems like this was occurrence in human history where this went down, and you can go over to Israel and see how they buried people. But I think the number one question that I get is what happens when you die? You know, we. We were talking about my dad.

[Jase]

What.

[Jason]

What's. What's happening right. Right now. Yeah. You know, in my.

[Jase]

Because this week in particular, J. To your point, I have thought so many times, because we've talked about him so much, we're talking about hunting. And then this thing with this. I mentioned earlier in the week this. These people that came to Christ and Because they watched a video of his, and, you know, I get all these information. I thought if there was ever a time where I wish he had an awareness of what was going on back here on Earth, it would be today. I have no idea exactly what he's aware of. So there is a big question about it. So this Christmas, as always, we celebrate the gift of life. You have an opportunity to share that same gift with a mother and her baby. Imagine a young woman facing an unplanned pregnancy, feeling alone and unsure of what to do. She's searching for hope. And that's where preborn ministry comes in. Meet a young woman who was unmarried when she found out about her pregnancy. And when the angel Gabriel announced she would conceive by the Holy Spirit in Luke chapter one, it was a shocking and socially risky revelation. Joseph even considered quietly ending their engagement until an angel appeared to him as well. In Matthew, Chapter 1, 1825, this divine appointment was the fulfillment of prophecy and salvation for all of us. Every mother preborn serves faces a moment of decision when she sees her baby's ultrasound. In that sacred moment, she has the opportunity to say yes. Preborn's mission is to help her find the courage, faith, and support to do so. And that's why we support the pro life battle. Jason, Zach and I all have different fronts by which we fight this battle. So this Christmas, for just $28, you can help save a life, a life that could change the world. And thanks to a special matching grant, your gift is double. To donate, dial £250, say the keyword baby. That's £250, baby. Or go to preborn.comunashamed. that's preborn.comunashamed.

[Jason]

You know what I found fascinating just in researching this, and I pulled this up where I. In my history, where I was looking at this because, you know, a lot of this gets into kind of. Well, I think the way we depict things or in the church, as members of Jesus, we kind of like what Zach did right off the bat. We talk about kind of the historical accuracy and evidence of this evening. One of our past podcasts, I forgot who was here when we were talking about that. Remember, we was talking about there's historical documentation about Jesus being here from the Romans and Josephus and just the history of all this.

[Jase]

And you were mentioning that the universal acceptance is Pilate.

[Jason]

Yeah. There were like two things that kind of all Christian, whatever brand they are like, universally agree on, was that John the Baptist baptized Jesus and Pilate handed over Jesus to be crucified. So it's like in all the history and even all the forms of Jesus following people, they all agree with that. And even the world, I think to a certain degree says, okay, there was a guy named Jesus. Must have been a pretty good fellow if he's doing what he did. But I looked up because it gets into this, like, is it science? You know, I believe in science, and this is contrary to science is what even people go into creation and they're like, they kind of look at that story and they're like, that doesn't sound very scientific. You know, their views of how the earth was formed and the expanse and. But I've always said. And I agree with. Because I think most Christians will say, well, this is not a science book. That's not the purpose of it. I mean, Zach quoted me earlier about. It's about God getting his family back. That's the overall arching theme. But what I did find interesting, I did because it's fun. Now, AI, you can ask him questions and you get fun answers because it's just. You have all this knowledge at the ready. So I basically put in there, how does the fact that matter can't be created or destroyed work with. With dead bodies that decompose? I was like, well, if matter can't. I wanted to hear. I was trying to be clever. Yeah. On. Explain to me what happens when a person dies. So that. That has no spiritual connotation.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Whatsoever.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

That was a science.

[Jase]

Scientific question.

[Jason]

Well, it. It's amazing because it's like it starts off saying, this is not a violation of the law of thermodynamics when you die. And it tells you what happens. The body's atoms are not destroyed, but are broken down into simpler forms and returned to the environment. Microorganisms, along with physical and chemical processes, break down the organic matter, recycling the atoms into the soil, water, atmosphere, to be used by other living things, things, the body's energy. This is why I'm reading this, the body's energy. Now, this is AI giving you the scientific summation.

[Jase]

So even AI recognizing, recognizes there's something, a part of a human body beyond just the physical composure of the matter and the mass.

[Jason]

The body's energy is also connected, converted from chemical bonds into heat, dispersing into the surroundings. So nothing goes anywhere, according to science and AI. So I did that because I wanted to read. I brought up that. About the new creation that Jesus is introducing. So when you think about. You go back to Genesis 1, which, I mean, I think we can all agree here that when you read the story of creation, when it says 26, 126, God said, let us make man in our likeness. And would you say that's mankind. Genesis 1:26. It's interesting. I've met people, they're like, oh, no, he just made one man. But.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's all of mankind, you know, for two reasons. One, because he then repeats himself in the image of God. He created them both male and female.

[Jason]

Yeah. I'm guessing I was going to get there, but I just wanted to.

[Zach]

And then Genesis 9, too. Genesis 9 is another post fall post Adam and Eve, referencing that all man's made in his image, which is why he says it's wrong to murder.

[Jason]

Well, right. So it says 126 in our likeness. So he made man in our image, in our likeness. Which is interesting because when we get to the law, he's like, don't make images or idols. But God can make images or idols, which is basically us.

[Jase]

That's right.

[Jason]

You know, the word for that image there is like statue. We're the representation of God. And then it says, and then he gives us a job. So he made humans and let them rule over the fish. So isn't this interesting that humans were created to rule over the fish, the birds, the sea, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground. So verse 27. So God created man. There it is again in his own image, in the image of God. He created him. Male and female. He created them.

[Jase]

So then he's jumping ahead.

[Jason]

Well, but then you get the kind of. I think this is where the idea of what we call the Trinity kind of is a building block of. Because, well, now you have one mankind, he's making man. But now you have two versions of the species that have different characteristics. So I think that's interesting because if you're made in his image, well, now he's male and female. And you think God, Jesus, the Holy.

[Jase]

Spirit, and by the way, then those two are. Then they then have the capacity and it's godlike to then create another new life.

[Zach]

Yeah, I would actually argue that when he says, let us make man in our image, he is speaking about not just Adam, he's speaking about male and female together in a union. Because I do. To your point, Jason, I think it mirrors his nature. Right? You have the loved and the beloved and the lover, and then the creation of life between them is love itself, which is new life, which is Father, Son, spilling out in the Holy Spirit eternally, which is. Marriage reflects that.

[Jase]

Which is why you see all the family reference when you get into the New Testament and the new Covenant, it's all about family, right? The children of God, brothers and sisters. I mean, you see all that terminology describing his people. You know, it's a family. It's a family. It's the old nature.

[Jason]

So then he goes on to say, you say, what does this have to do with the burial of Jesus? Well, I think you have to go back and kind of look when. When this wasn't just a man, this was God being a man. And so when he died, what happened? Well, you go back and see what is the makeup of a man. So you have, where does it say he took him from the dust of the earth? Where is that at?

[Jase]

That's in two.

[Jason]

So two seven. Let's read that.

[Jase]

Which.

[Jason]

Yeah. The Lord God formed the man from the dust. Because when you get to chapter two, it's like he tells the same story kind of from the dust, but now.

[Jase]

He'S giving the specifics of how it happened.

[Jason]

Yeah, a different angle. The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, which he had already mentioned in 1:30 because it says, and to all the birds of the air, the creatures that move on the ground, everything that has the breath of life in it. So here we have kind of what makes up what I just read. So from the science. So you would say, well, man consists of basically the dust of the earth, if you believe this to be true, and the divine breath of God, that energy that brings a person as a living being, which what's interesting is a lot of the translations call that soul, which can be confused because think of that song. What's the psalm that says, as the deer pants for the water, so my soul longs after you? Is he talking about a person, body and soul and spirit, or is he just talking about that soul? And I think it's the person. That's how you're viewed as a living being. Same reference when Paul said, remember in Acts 17, it's like as some of your poets have said, we live and move and are in our being because of him.

[Jase]

And you're right, because this sort of a misunderstanding of those components you mentioned has created a lot of kind of wonky things on the Christianity side. So Jason, is that time of year. It's the gift buying, gift giving season. And Jase, you're holding some BRAVE books.

[Jason]

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[Jason]

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[Jase]

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[Zach]

I think we get confused on those terms, too. Like the spirit. Dallas Willard would say something like, that's like your executive center. It's like the, it's like your will. But your soul is the integration of the whole, of the wholeness of what it means to, to your being. It's the integration point of all that. And I know it gets complicated, but, but when it comes to your body, I mean, it is key to understand that to be a human, like, we're not just a spirit, we are spirits with a body. And that is the distinctive role of our humanity, right? Is that to be human? What does it mean to be human? It actually means you're actually the connecting place of heaven and earth. We talk about that all the time. Heaven and earth connecting in a temple. So it makes sense that eventually we become the temple, right? Because we are spirit, but we're also matter, we're also physical. And both are good. And there's not one over the other. They're both. God holds them both in very high esteem. And so when you had mentioned that law of thermodynamics, I was thinking about it for those who may have been like, wait, what? That's a little deep. If you. They did a study, they've done a lot of these chemistry studies where they would, they essentially would burn. They would weigh it like, they would weigh the material before they burned it, and let's say it's ten pounds. And then they would, they would burn that material in a vacuum, and then they would, they were able to measure the, the weight of the ash and the soot and the, and the smoke itself. And they, they could weigh everything. And what happens is, is that when they would burn the wood up, for example, they burned the wood, say it weighs 10 pounds. Before they burned it. Once they weighed everything. Afterwards, the, the smoke and the ash and the soot, guess what it, guess what it weighs 10 pounds. It's the same. And so the point is Is that matter and energy, they, we can't create new matter and we, we can't create energy. All that can happen, and according to thermodynamics, is that it can be transferred into other forms. And so it is important when you think about, well, when I die, what happens? Well, my body goes in the ground and if it sits there long enough, no matter if it was embalmed or not, if it sits there long enough, guess what it turns into dirt and inner and heat, as you mentioned, but it's still here in the atmosphere. And for people that are asking questions like, should I be cremated? Should I be buried? I mean, I think, you know, you got to remember that Adam was formed out of the dust, as you just mentioned. So if when Christ comes back, it doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics for him to pull all that back together and these atoms back together into something new. But I do think one, one other thing, whatever he does at the, at the second, at our resurrection, you will have a different kind of body, just like Jesus did. So whatever it is, well, that's where.

[Jason]

We'Re headed, to the resurrection. But to your point, you could have your body just immediately evaporated into dust and then you could get one of those old timey Dustbusters and we could like put you in there. Your coffin could be a dust buster.

[Jase]

Yeah, it could be.

[Jason]

I don't even know if they still sell them. They do, but guess what?

[Jase]

It's still there. Well, look, not only that, Jason, how.

[Zach]

Do you come up with this stuff?

[Jason]

I mean, that's like a dust buster. Because when I first saw a Dustbuster, I thought, here we go again. They're using godly principles. They're like, oh, no, let's take care of that. That dust, we're just stuck it away. Yeah, we're just, hey, that dust is me, buddy.

[Jase]

You know. But look, I learned, Jason, when I went to did a little tour of New Orleans cemeteries a few years ago that were all cremated like down there. It's funny because in Zach's right, eventually everybody's cremated. It may take some time, but you're all going to wind up there. And when you and you go into New Orleans, the same as these tombs were reading about that Jesus was in and others, you know, the cremation happens naturally. I mean, the process you mentioned. And so in New Orleans, they go in down there and the Catholic church owns almost all the cemeteries. The city only owns one in New Orleans. It was just interesting. One or two. And all the rest of the Catholics own it. Well, they rent them, basically. So they go in a year after you put a body in there because of Louisiana, the heat, they're above the ground. You go in there a year later, guess what? Dustbusters.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jase]

Because you're just a little pal there. And then they put another one in there. So to the point of should. Can we be. Should we be. Is it wrong to be.

[Jason]

Well, I think we'll answer that question as we go on.

[Jase]

But I just.

[Jason]

Before we conclude this part, I wanted to read this. If you go on in the story. In Genesis 2, in verse 15, the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden to work. So work was happening and ruling was happening before sin. And the curse. It's not a curse to work.

[Jase]

That's right. He made you, and it's not a curse to rule.

[Jason]

Yeah. And when it says. And this is. We're going through this again in verse 19. Now, the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. So the same process is happening even with the animals. And so Adam, no suitable helper was found. He gets into the details about that. He makes the woman from the rib, which is dust also.

[Jase]

That's right.

[Jason]

And then what happens? Well, this evil spirit comes along, has this conversation, tells the lie, and there's a sin happens and then death is introduced as an invader. But we were made to have a being, the divine breath in a body. And so that's kind of where we'll leave off, I guess, for when we come back. But after the sin, you remember what part of the curse was that? In verse 3:19, it says, by the sweat of your bow you will eat. Not because they had to work, but because now there's thorns and all these.

[Jase]

Different kind of evil has been unleashed.

[Jason]

Yeah. Until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken. And then he has this little deal about the tree of life. And then you realize what eternal life is. It's a gift even they were created and given a gift to live eternal, but their bodies were perishable. Well, why was there a tree of life there? It was a gift of God. Because it is a gift of God and will always be a gift of God to live forever. So that's kind of where this is coming from. And then we'll bring it to.

[Jase]

And that also I love that we're leaving here because that also explains what a big deal this is about the body of Jesus being on that cross. Now in that tomb will later be resurrected. Because this changes everything. This is a recession.

[Jason]

It's a reset. And it. I think it answers questions about heaven and hell, about what happens after you die. And we'll get into that. But I think unless you use this as the foundation, the new creation can get real confusing. And look, there's a lot of doctrines out there about what happens, you know, in between, and. So we'll address them next week.

[Zach]

Yeah. I will say this just as we're closing out, that the key thing to remember is whatever happens after we die right here. And we gotta be careful with this. But it's true is it's not the final thing. I'm not saying it is better.

[Jason]

Well, that's what we're gonna get to. But we're like, why is Jesus doing this? My whole point is we're reading a story. Why is he doing this? What happened? And why?

[Jase]

Because literally, he could have transformed right there on the cross the moment, the second he died.

[Jason]

Because he's kind of being set in the. He's blazing the trail for future humans. And I think. I really think after you hear the next podcast, you'll feel better.

[Jase]

Yeah.

[Jason]

About what's going to happen to you in the end.

[Jase]

I think so. All right, we'll give it a shot next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.