Ep 1226 | Miss Kay Makes a Holiday Comeback & The Truth About “No Kings” except for THE King

Summary

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Unashamed with the Robertson Family – Episode 1226

Miss Kay Makes a Holiday Comeback & The Truth About “No Kings” except for THE King
Released: December 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this richly textured episode, the Robertson family—Jay, Jase, Zach, and Jason—gather post-Thanksgiving for a candid conversation about faith, family, and the Kingdom of God. They share holiday updates (including Miss Kay's triumphant return), memorable hunting mishaps, and tackle timely questions about biblical dominion, work, and what it means that Jesus—and only Jesus—is King. The tone moves from warm and playful to fiercely theological, with memorable stories, deep dives into Scripture, and pointed reflections on contemporary cultural moments like the rise of "No Kings" rhetoric. The episode builds toward an inspired discussion of the resurrection as Jesus' coronation, the calling on Christians, and the hope for creation’s renewal.

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Holiday and Family Highlights

Thanksgiving Recap & The Family Table

• Jay announces the family is recording just after Thanksgiving, reflecting on the annual gathering and memorable moments (01:08).
• Side story about family member Si’s infamous dressing recipe—after criticizing last year’s, he remakes it only to self-critique again (“Nope, I missed it.”) (04:57).
• “Mom, just to give you an update, a lot of you guys pray for mom, was there in full regalia. She was excited, happy. Mom is doing really well...” (Jay, 06:08)—Miss Kay’s health has markedly improved, contrary to rumors, and she’s moving closer to the family.

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Hunting Stories, Mishaps, and Lessons

Duck Season Ordeals & Spiritual Insights

• Jase recounts a “comedy of errors” on a recent duck hunt:
  • Oversleeping due to an iPhone “attention aware” feature (09:46)
  • Power outages, muddy roads destroyed by utility trucks, and, most dramatically, losing his phone in the swamp—only to “resurrect” it with a hairdryer (“There’s a resurrection has occurred.” – Jase, 13:42).
• “No matter what you do, sometimes there’s things outside of your control.” (Jase, 14:22)
• Despite mishaps, the duck blind is praised as a place “to talk about Jesus—a duck blind setting.” (Jase, 15:02)

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Key Theological Discussion: Dominion, Kingship & Resurrection

Biblical Foundation for “Dominion”

Genesis Mandate & Human Vocation

• Zach shares a car conversation with his son Fred, pressing into questions about purpose:
  • “What were you created for?...to have dominion, exercise dominion.” (Zach, 17:29)
• He walks through Genesis and Exodus, tracing the repeated biblical theme from the Edenic charge (“be fruitful, multiply, subdue the earth”) through Israel’s story and into the early church (19:06–22:11).
• “...Somehow, I don’t know how it happened, but...the church has forgotten that this was what the whole thing was about in the first place.” (Zach, 22:11)

The Opposing Forces: Multiplication vs. Resistance

• Jay observes, “There’s always been that antithesis that seems to go against exactly what God has called us to do.” (Jay, 22:11)

Dominion, Work, and the Modern World

• Zach references Elon Musk’s vision of a work-free, automated future, critiquing its mismatch with Scripture:
  • “That is not the picture of the kingdom...work is actually a blessing.” (Zach, 24:22)
• Predicts two diverging societies: one automated and one of Christ’s people still carrying out the Genesis call (25:58).

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“No Kings” Rhetoric vs. the True King

Modern Anti-King Sentiment

• Jay notes the rise of “No Kings” language in political discourse, seeing irony and spiritual hunger:
  • “Millions of people saying the last thing we need is a king, and we’re on this podcast saying it’s the first thing we need.” (Jay, 34:42)
• Jase recounts American resistance to royalty (e.g., 1651 Massachusetts coin; the 1919 “to hell with royalty” Milwaukee mayor) and how scripture also warns of human kings (36:24–39:15).

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“But I actually think...even us conservatives...we do need to take note of that. I’m saying: no king, but THE King. That is important.” (Zach, 39:15)

Only One Worthy King: Jesus

Theological Depth

• Jase and Zach expound on Psalm 2 and its New Testament applications:
  • “The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his anointed one...The one enthroned in heaven laughs.” (Psalm 2, 44:29)
  • “Who is this King of Glory? The Lord, strong and mighty.” (Jason, quoting Psalm 24, 26:54)
• Jase highlights how the title “begotten Son” and the coronation of Jesus are directly linked to the resurrection, not just the cross:
  • “The coronation of our King was the resurrection. Yes, no doubt about it.” (Jay, 54:34)
  • “We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us...” (2 Corinthians 5; Jason, 51:40)
• All echoed in Revelation 1:
  • “He is the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth.” (Jason, 51:40)

Notable Quotes

• “People tend to think there’s no king. It’s a misunderstanding of dominion, for sure. The world would perceive dominion as domination...but the way to dominion is actually through the cross.” (Zach, 29:58–32:25)
• “When Jesus came to earth, you couldn’t find any more humble circumstances by which it happened. It certainly didn’t seem like a king being born in a manger.” (Jay, 32:25)
• “The resurrection is called the new creation on this planet—it’s where heaven and earth meet, it’s where humans and God meet in Jesus.” (Jason, 41:58)

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Closing Reflections: The Hope of Creation

• Zach connects resurrection and future hope:
  • “The creation groans with eager expectation, waiting for the sons of God to be revealed...the creation itself is going to be liberated from its bondage to decay as we actually exercise dominion with it in it.” (Zach, 54:34)
• Jay recaps: “Loves us, freed us, made us—that’ll preach.” (Jay, 55:44)
• The family promises to continue their deep study of John 20 and the resurrection in the next episode.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 01:08 – Post-Thanksgiving & Si’s Dressing Story
• 06:08 – Miss Kay’s Health Update
• 07:40 – Duck Season Hunting Mishaps
• 17:29 – Dominion Theology: Purpose of Humanity
• 22:11 – Spiritual Opposition to God’s Purposes
• 24:22 – AI, Work, and a Biblical Vision of Labor
• 26:54 – Psalm 24 and Jesus as King
• 34:42 – The Irony of “No Kings” in Politics
• 39:15 – Only King Worth Following
• 44:29 – Psalm 2, God Laughs at Earthly Kings
• 51:40 – Ambassadorship & Jesus’ Authority
• 54:34 – Creation Groans, Resurrection and Dominion
• 55:44 – Application and Sermon Takeaways

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “There’s a thin line between being led by the Spirit of God and being stupid.” (Jason, 03:08)
• “My case...said it would last you the rest of your life. It lasted five minutes in swamp water.” (Jason, 13:42)
• “No king but the King...I think that that is important.” (Zach, 39:15)
• “We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.” (Jason, quoting 2 Corinthians 5, 51:40)
• “The coronation of our king was the resurrection.” (Jay, 54:34)
• “He is the King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Implied, throughout)

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Episode Tone & Language

Throughout, the language is down-home, humorous, and deeply rooted in scripture. The discussion is candid, mixes personal stories with profound biblical insight, and keeps the focus on practical faith—none of the Robertson conviction is watered down for the sake of politeness or trend. It’s laughter, family banter, and bold gospel truth, Southern style.

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Next time: The deep dive into John 20 and the continued revelation of Jesus as King and resurrected Lord.

Transcript

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[Jason]

I am unashamed.

[Zach]

What about you?

[Jay]

So welcome back to Unashamed. Jay says I'm. You know, we're. We're in our boxes because I'm in Southern Lair. Zachson, North Carolina. We're post Thanksgiving. We were off a couple of days. I know this releases in December, but we're. We're just after Thanksgiving and I'm looking at the table that usually I'm sitting at across from you, and I'm seeing nothing. Nothing but your coffee. What does it mean?

[Jason]

Coffee, my phone and a borrower Bible.

[Jay]

Yeah, no Bible.

[Jason]

I showed up to a spiritual battle unarmed, although I do have the Holy Spirit, but.

In the spirit of my dad and the resurrection, I'm fixing to confiscate this Bible right behind my. I guess it'd be behind my right shoulder. And. And so I think that's.

Kind of profound.

[Jay]

Well, you're in your defense, as you're getting your Bible, I'll tell the audience. And Jason's defense, he is. He's going on a hunting trip, Zach. And. Yeah, because there's. There's no water in Louisiana, and we just started getting a little wet weather, so he's having to go north to find some ducks. And so he's heading out as soon as we finish the podcast. So I'm defending you, Jace, that, well, you. You were so busy putting your hunting stuff together, apparently you forgot that we had podcasts this morning, so.

[Zach]

Forgot his bag, forgot his Bible. But he's got. He's got Phil's Bible in front of him.

[Jason]

Look, you can't make this up. I walked behind me, I picked up this Bible, and it was open to John chapter 20.

[Jay]

There you go.

[Jason]

Is that a sign?

[Jay]

See, now who did that? Because I don't, I don't recall putting it to John 20. And yet that's exactly where we are today.

[Jason]

Now, having said that, these that come to me and say, I'm looking for the Lord's will on a daily basis. And they open their Bible like with their eyes closed and they push and.

[Jay]

Put their finger in there.

[Jason]

Yeah. And they say, you know, this is, this is where I'm going. There's a thin line between being led by the spirit of God and being stupid.

[Jay]

So we had. Now that we got Jay's armed and ready, we'll eventually get to our study here in John 20. But I did want a couple of things I was going to ask about is since we were last on air, we had our, our Robertson Thanksgiving gathering and a couple of things to report. Zach, since your family's in North Carolina, so you weren't there. Sometimes you guys are down. But you weren't here this year. And we were missing a few people for different reasons. So we weren't quite as large as normal, which is large because a lot of cousins are there. One thing was there was a lot made about on apparently on the other podcast because I don't, I don't get into such trivial things, of course, but apparently side made a big deal about my dressing. I tried dad's duck and dressing last year that it was too runny and not enough sage. And so sigh. Launched out this year and did the dressing and he brings it in. It looked really good, I have to say. A presentation I looked at, it looked a lot like dad's. It was in dad's old pan. And so Psy just fixed him a plate of nothing but his dressing. I noticed. And he ate. He's eating it. And I said, well. Sigh. What about it? I mean, I decided to just put it out there. I hadn't said anything about his dogging of my presentation last year. He said, too runny, not enough sage. I said, well, so. Well, that seems to be a common theme. Sigh. That's exactly what you said about mine last year. He said, nope, I missed it. I missed it on this one.

[Zach]

So he missed it.

[Jay]

I doubt he will talk about it since he's the one that failed, but we'll see. Did you try? I actually tried it. I thought it was pretty. I thought it was pretty good.

[Jason]

He already told me that. The same thing. I think he, you know, outside this age, he wanted to do it because those ducks came from opening day.

[Jay]

Yep.

[Jason]

And he basically claimed most of them that he shot.

[Jay]

Somebody asked him on camera how many he had killed. He said, well, at least four.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Jay]

I said would say you can only kill three.

[Jason]

That would be against the law. And Corsair responded like he usually does with a hey. Which could mean anything in that context. That's right.

[Jay]

Because no. No means yes and yeah means no.

[Jason]

Exactly. So.

[Jay]

But anyway, so that I was going to mention that just because you're probably not going to hear about it on the other podcast. I don't. I did not gloat. I did not say anything to say. I said, well. So I thought it was pretty good. And which I did. I thought it was pretty good. So there was that. And then the other thing was mom, just to give you an update, a lot of you guys pray for mom was there in full regalia. She was excited, happy. Mom is doing really well. So well that she's about to move in our little compound. Jay. So we're super excited about that. And thank you for the prayer. She's doing amazing. She seems to sort of have turned a corner and is doing really good. So just to let you guys, contrary to Internet reports that have her on her deathbed on a regular occasion and Jason Willie hugged into tearful.

[Jason]

Yeah, let's not brace up again.

[Jay]

She's just, she's doing. She's doing quite well. So Jace, we've been talking about your theme song, your walk up song being I Won't Back Down. You know, you see that with the. You did that the last time you spoke at CR and it reminded me of a good friends at Family Research Council because they also know that the opponents of God don't back down either. And there's no doubt as we kind of look at and see this public life now, we see that you have these people, us frc, standing for biblical truth. And you kind of got the other side. So that's why Family Research Council's on the front lines. They fight for faith, family and freedom. They meet with lawmakers. They shape policy. They always keep God's truth in the conversations. And so we want to stand with them. We can't sit it out. We got to act now. Visit FRC.org unashamed to help keep faith alive in America.

[Jason]

Well, I'm headed north, going to Kansas. But our duck season has not been bad. We're not hunting every day. Obviously it's duck season and I'm sitting here. But.

We'Ve had a few signs that I think it's going to be a good duck season. Any workable duck, which has only been a few, they're just coming right into the decoys, which is exciting. I took the LSU baseball player who's now playing professional ball, and I got to take my son Cole and Al. It was one of the. Something happened that has never happened to me on the earth in 50 plus years. But I was awakened by my son standing over me and he was saying, dad, it's 4:30.

And now I got the baseball player in there, so this is embarrassing. So I look at my phone and my alarm is going off, but there's no sound coming out of it. So I didn't think anything about it at the time because I had to get ready in seven minutes, which I did. And we were not late. But I should have known this morning was going to be challenging just because that happened. There had been a storm. So I thought maybe it had something to do with the storm. But at some point in the duck hunt, I checked my phone and because my son said, well, your volume probably wasn't up. Well, when I looked at it, my volume was all the way up. And so I'm like, what, What? What happened here? And my son, who's very smart, said, well, there's a new dilemma with these Apple phones. You have to turn off your attention surrounding, which I didn't even know what that that was. And so he said, I watched a video on it and believe it or not, now through the power of AI. So if you've had this problem, I want to correct this. This is just a psa.

That sensor, if you have it on, it's under your face ID and attention setting, which I didn't know existed. If you have that enabled the AI bug in your phone detects whether the surroundings are conducive to make sounds.

So now just think about this. So it detected that maybe they should silence it because everything was quiet. Well, that's the reason I want it to go off because I'm sleeping.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So you have to disable that. And it's like a phenomenon going across the globe. People are having that happen to them. So that's where it started. And that morning hunt, which was okay, I mean, I think we shot five ducks. But we had the power company, no power was on at the layer. So we did all this in the dark, getting ready. So then the power trucks decided that the problem was somewhere on our gravel road through our duck hole. And they sent two huge trucks and they destroyed our road because it was wet and muddy and. Which eventually led them to getting stuck. Well, this is all going on while we're trying to hunt. And I'm like, what kind of. What kind? What would happen? So finally we said, look, we can't hunt while this is going on. You know, they're big white trucks. I mean, think 18 wheelers on a gravel road while I'm trying to hunt.

[Jay]

So, Zach, last year you approached me, and you said that a company called Ph.D. weight Loss was interested in sponsoring the podcast and they needed a guinea pig from the three of us. And I assume because I was the fattest pig, that's why you call me. Is that. Is that correct?

[Zach]

They didn't say guinea pig.

[Jay]

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[Jason]

We get up there, well, then my Argo.

Goes dead. And in between that, I left out the part where, you know, we were talking about this phone and trying to get it lined out. Well, at some point, I looked around and said, well, I've lost my phone. Can't find it. So they tried to call it. It'd go to voicemail. And so I realized I had put it on the shelf of the blind. And then we saw some ducks, and somewhere in me shooting said ducks, the phone went into the swamp, and I baptized and buried the phone. Yeah. Now, look, believe it or not, I got on my Hands.

[Jay]

How does that phone do? Being baptized? That's what I want.

[Jason]

You know what? There's a resurrection has occurred. Now. My case disintegrated swamp water to a. And look, this case I had, they said, it will last you the rest of your life. It lasted five minutes in swamp water and it literally deteriorated. So that just tells you what's in the water and the phone. Actually, I just took a hairdryer and turned it off. It was submerged for 20 minutes, which they said is not possible. And I took a hairdryer out. The only thing is, if I take a selfie, it's foggy. But everything else seems to work fine.

[Zach]

No more selfies.

[Jason]

So anyway, we go up there within my Argo, our amphibious vehicle. While talking to the LPNL personnel, wondering, I was imagining what my dad would say. You know, why would two grown men. You know, I didn't say all that then. It wouldn't crank. Our vehicle wouldn't crank. We had to use their tools to get that going about an hour later. It was just one of those days where nothing went right. And I don't know, it just made me think, no matter what you do, sometimes there's things outside of your control.

[Jay]

So what did the former LSU baseball player think about all that? Did he.

[Jason]

He pretty much laughed from the start of that till the end. So I think, you know, I have a friend for life, which is what you have to do in those situations. This is part of what my wife calls duck season, the ordeal. It's just all part of it. And if you ask me, was it worth it, I would say yes. I mean, they're gifts of God, and it's just good clean fun. And it's a great place to talk about Jesus. A duck blind setting.

[Jay]

Well, it was worth it for those two Gadwall that backpedal riding your decoys.

[Jason]

It was. We had our first big ducks coming, the decoys. And they liked to take our head off. And they just looked. They were hovering over the waters. Which reminds me of Genesis 1, creation. The Spirit was hovering over the waters. And then God said, and it burst forth. And so same kind of concept. It's a good reminder because then I say cut them.

[Zach]

Cut them.

[Jason]

And new creations are formed, which results in duck gumbos and duck and dressing.

[Zach]

Without enough sage and too runny.

[Jason]

Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. Thank. We're living in a world where you look around and you're like, well, where is God in all this? But he does his greatest work in the struggle So I actually used that day that was difficult as a theme. I preached last night at the Hub. It was quite the raucous crowd. There was a big contingent from the Celebrate Recovery House from somewhere.

So, yeah, it was vocal and boisterous.

[Jay]

That crew always brings some excitement to the audience. No doubt about it.

[Zach]

They're a shout back crew. That's what you call them. They shout back when you're preaching, they'll shout at you.

[Jason]

That's what you want. So the theme was kind of the resurrection. That's where we're at in John 20. But I was talking about Jesus being king and just kind of this reality, this present reality that we're reigning on the earth. The kingdom has taken a form on earth as it is in heaven through spirit filled people, which it was real quiet during that part. And I just think people are not getting that from the Bible, which is why we're here.

[Zach]

Yeah, Jason, I was going to tell you, I agree, man.

I think we've missed that as a church and this idea that the role or the vocation of humanity as ordained by God, it is to exercise dominion over the earth. And I was just with Fred this morning taking him to school and I'm trying to give him like little nuggets every morning, you know, like just I got 15 minutes in the car with him. I want to make the most of it. And I was asking him about, you know, what were you created for? And he was like, I don't know, he's 14, so.

I don't know. And I'm like, no, but, you know, what were you created for? And he course gave the church, answered, glorify God. And I say, well, how do you do that? I think he said, follow God. He said, just to follow God. I said, but follow, what does that mean? He's like, you know, follow him, but what does it mean to follow him? He's like, to follow? I was like, no, you're answering the question. You're repeating what I. What does it mean to actually follow God? And he's like, I guess do what he does. I said, what does he do? And we went through this whole exercise and essentially we got to the end of it. He's like, God makes stuff, he creates things. He exercises dominion. And I don't know if you use that language, dominion. But my point to him was that's what you're called to do. That's your vocation. And when you sin, you're actually abdicating or you're not exercising dominion. And I actually think this is one of the most misunderstood things about the story of the Bible, is we don't really know what that means. But I pulled up. It's funny you mentioned that, because I pulled up a list of.

Probably 15 verses in the book of Genesis that essentially say the same exact thing throughout. So if you read the book of Genesis and you, like, skim through it, that's essentially what you're going to get to. The first one is in Genesis. I won't read them all, but I just want to skim through them real quick. The first one is in Genesis 1:28, when it said God blessed them. And he said to them, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the heavens, and over every living creature that moves along the earth. So the idea was, be fruitful, multiply, exercise dominion, subdue the earth. Like take the garden, expand it across the entire globe. Then the world gets wicked and the whole scene happens where God floods the earth in the days of Noah. And then when those eight people were coming off that ark, guess what God told them in Genesis 9. 1? And God blessed Noah, and he said to them, be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. So it's the same repetition. Then in Genesis 9. 7, and you be fruitful and multiply and increase greatly on the Earth and multiply in it. Then you get Genesis 12 after the tower of Babel, when he calls Abram out and calls Israel, and listen to what he says to Abram. I will make you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you, I will curse. And in you all the families of the Earth shall be blessed. So you keep seeing these families expanding across the entire globe. Genesis 17, that I make my covenant between you, me and you, and may multiply you greatly. Genesis 17. Six, I will make you exceedingly fruitful, be fruitful and multiply. I will make you into many nations. And it just goes on throughout the entire Book of Genesis. It's the same repetition of be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth and have dominion over it. It's some version of that. And what's interesting about that is we just finished our study on the Book of Exodus, and when I went back and read the very first eight verses of the Book of Exodus, you know how they end and the reason why Pharaoh got mad, and the reason why he was persecuting the Hebrews is it says here in verse seven that he said, come, we must hold on. Let me back up here in verse 6. He says, Now Joseph and all of his brothers and all that generation died because remember, that's how the book of Genesis ends, with the story of Joseph. But the Israelites were exceedingly fruitful, and they multiplied greatly and increased in numbers and became so numerous that the land was filled with them. So you see that story, it goes right into the Exodus story. And somehow, I don't know how it happened, but with thousands of years of biblical history, the church has forgotten that this was what the whole thing was about in the first place. It's wild.

[Jay]

Yeah. And it also shows you, Zach, the point I was making a minute ago, that the enemies of God are also seem to be lined up against this idea of multiplication, subduing the earth, doing what God created us to do as well, which is kind of interesting. There's always been that antithesis that seems to go against exactly what God has called us to do. And maybe that's one of the reasons why it's easy for the church to get blinded to that and to miss it and miss the idea, because everything you just mentioned, all through the book of Genesis, all those patriarchs was building the people of God that one day would become a nation, that one day would produce the Messiah. The whole idea was that was to get the king here. That was the whole. The whole process was all of this idea was to get him here.

[Zach]

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[Jay]

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[Zach]

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And this is so key for where we're at in our cultural moment. Because I was just reading, I actually preached a sermon on this a couple weeks ago and I'll try to put it in the show notes if I can find the link. But Elon Musk, just in the last several weeks, he said and has predicted that with the advancements of AI that within the next 10 to 20 years that work will be obsolete. Like we will not have to work anymore. Like, he said something to the effect of, sure, you can work if you want, but it's going to be like growing tomatoes in the backyard. You can if you want to, but you don't have to because you can go down to the store and just pick them up. And when I was reading that and trying to imagine a world where there is no work, I'm like, that is not the picture of the kingdom. So whatever vision of utopia that's being propagated by Elon Musk and the like, that's not the vision of the kingdom of God. Like work is actually a blessing. And I think that what's going to be recovered and I think you're going to see this, by the way. I'm not worried about that world because I think the kingdom of God, I do believe it is a kingdom that can't be shaken nor destroyed. But it is going to be interesting that I think there's going to be two worlds that are just getting. They're going to become very, very clear. One world will be completely automated and then one world will be, I think the people of God. We're not going to abdicate our dominion and hand it over to technology and things like that. But I thought that was interesting that that's where we're at. This idea of dominion, work, cultivation. Now we're being told, no, you don't have to do any of that. We'll take care of that for you. Technology will.

[Jason]

Well, what's amazing is so this morning when I woke up, I had little man So I was getting up early, but one of the guys I'm helping to disciple via the technological world, he sent me a text deep into the night. He was like, sorry, so late. But he said, I was reading Psalm 24 and I'm kind of confused on the true meaning of verses 7 through 10. I looked it up, but it just threw a bunch of interpretations at me and I just don't want to misinterpret the Scriptures. So I read Psalm 24. And Zach, it was exactly what you just addressed, which I find fascinating. And you got to remember, this guy is new in the faith. But I want to read this because it's kind of what I preached last night about. Why is Jesus King?

It says in verse one, the earth is the Lord's and everything in it, the world and all who live in it. For he founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters. So we're going back to Genesis 1 and 2. And humans were created in the image of God. In Zack's right, twice it says, let them rule over and let Adam work in the garden. That was he was to rule and work. Then verse three says, who may ascend the hill of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to an idol or swear by what is false, he will receive blessing from the Lord and vindication from God his Savior. Such is the generation who of those who seek him. So he gets to verse seven. So these are the next three are the question. And watch what it says. Lift up your heads, O you gates. Be lifted up, you ancient doors, that the King of Glory may come in. Who is this king of glory? The Lord, strong and mighty. The Lord, mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O you gates. Lift them up, you ancient doors, that the King of Glory may come in. Who is he, this king of glory? The Lord Almighty. He is the King of glory. And you say, well, why would a young Christian have trouble understanding what this is talking about? Because I think it's right where we left off in the story in John. He doesn't look like a king in the way he's operated up until now. He has no money, he has no power, he has no house. He has a bunch of riff raff people. He was born on the wrong side of the town, which he has no pedigree. Everybody is threatened by him, despite the fact that he seems to just be concerned about the lowly and helping people. But he's not pushing back because when you think kingdom and king and ruling. You're thinking power, battle, swords, tanks. And, you know, swords in their day, tanks in our days, dropping bombs. And whoever has the biggest stick is the one dictating policy. And so I think you see that his glory was hidden on the cross because here he is being made fun of. They've dressed him up like a king with a crown of thorns and they're asking him questions, but he just doesn't seem to be pushing back whatsoever. So I think that's when you combine that with what's going on in the world. What we see. People tend to think there's no king.

[Zach]

It's a misunderstanding of dominion, for sure. I think the world would perceive dominion, as you said, as domination.

As like coming and exercising power over. Which is kind of interesting, the story of Jesus, right? Because on the Mount of Transfiguration, when Jesus is talking with Moses and Elijah about his departure, he's talking about the fact that I'm going to depart this earth and leave. And Peter is, like, looking at the transfigured Christ in his glory. And you got to think like Peter. You see this with Peter throughout the whole gospel, right? That whole scene where Jesus says, who do you say I am? Who do people say I am? Some people say you're John the Baptist. Some people say you're Elijah. Some say it's one of the other prophets, Peter, who do you say I am? And Peter rightly says, you're the Christ. And Jesus says, on this rock, I'm going to build my church, and the gates of hell won't prevail against it. But then he predicts his death. And Peter's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That ain't how this is going to play out now. You're not going to die. And Christ has to rebuke Peter and says, get behind me, Satan. Then on the transfiguration, Peter again, he misses it. The accountant, Luke says he doesn't understand what's happening. And so he's like, let me build tents for you guys so that I can house you. And. And the Father shows up in a cloud of smoke and says, no, that's not how this works. Listen to him. This is the Christ, my son. Listen to him. Do what he says. Then again, Jesus predicts his death. The Son of man must be handed over to the hands of men. And they don't get that the way to dominion is actually through the cross. It's actually through sacrifice. That's actually the way. And I think that's what why we probably don't teach a lot on dominion theology is because it's hard for us to wrap our mind around the fact that the way that Jesus exercised dominion was on a road to a cross where he suffered at the hands of men and was mocked and scorned and ultimately was murdered. Now, he did sit in a grave for three days, but God raised him up on the third day, and then he ascended. He departed this earth just like he was talking to Moses and Elijah about on the Mount of Transfiguration. But I think it's that cross is the thing that people, you know, it's kind of. You kind of want to get away from that. And it's kind of like we're saying, give me a dominion without the cross.

[Jay]

But even, even, even the life of Jesus, when you think about it, what people fear is what they truly believe deep down. Because when Jesus came to the earth, you couldn't find any more humble circumstances by which it happened. It certainly didn't seem like a king being born in a manger because he couldn't find a room. His parents couldn't find a room from these two people that were not even in their hometown. And yet what was going on politically, King Herod was trying, was going to kill all the babies and did kill many who were the age of Jesus because he was fearful that a king was being born that would threaten his kingdom, which was a mockery anyway. And then you get to the end of Jesus life 33 years later, and here's Pilate, who is the ruling authority, the governor from Rome over this area. And we know, because we just studied it in 18 and 19, he was fearful because Jesus was called the Son of God. So somewhere deep down, Pilate was thinking, what if he is the Son of God? What if he really is deity? So even in the circumstances and setting of Jesus coming to earth, the life he lived, what he did when he was here, the three years of his ministry, and then even his suffering and death, there was fear by authorities on what if he really is who he says he is? And of course we believe that he was, which is exactly why we're still preaching all these years later. I find it fascinating, Jayce, because I'm going to be preaching about Jesus King this Sunday as well. We're kind of on the same. We're tracking on the same wavelength. I find it fascinating that in our culture right now, as we sit here having this discussion, I looked it up yesterday because I've been hearing this, no kings. And I realize It's a anti Trump, you know, so, but I went to their. I looked a couple of their websites up yesterday, and they're very prolific. No, no thrones, no crowns, no kings. And, you know, the whole thing is aimed at our President Trump, who's not a king, He's a president. He was elected. But anyway, so. So they're saying this, and I thought, isn't it interesting that we have millions of people saying the last thing we need is a king, and we're on this podcast saying it's the first thing we need is the.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

Al, that's where I started my sermon last night. I told that story. If I had My notes, I could remember it, maybe I can off the top of my head, but I was like, there was a resurgence against royalty. I mean, obviously that's how this country was formed, in opposition of being under some king or being under British rule. I mean, I've told the story before. The first coin minted in America, which I was fortunate to find this treasure in Maryland, was a 1651 Massachusetts pine shilling. And the reason it had 1651 on it was because that was the only year that Britain didn't have a king. So a bunch of Americans in the years of 1670-1684 said, we want our own money, we want to be free. So they minted this coin illegally, but put 1651 on it. So if they got caught with it, they'd say, oh, we did this the year you had no king. Yeah, you had no king. I mean, it's an incredible story. But I told this story in 1919. The mayor of Milwaukee, I think his name was like Don Hone or something like that. You can look it up. But the King of Belgium wanted to visit for some odd reason. And he wrote this mayor wrote, and it was a political letter, but he basically came up with a famous line that said, no, you're not welcome because to hell with royalty. That was his line. He said, I'm for the working man. I'm for the simple man. And you know, that resonates with people because we want to be free from this kind of. So it makes you think of, well, what is the problem with having a king on earth? Well, it's a short list. They're all flawed, they're all unpredictable. They all die.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And then it's unpredictable on who's going to carry the line. All you got to do is get one bad king and they'll wipe you out.

[Jay]

Which, by the way, Joseph, that short list you mentioned is in the Bible, by God himself, on why you don't want a king on earth.

[Zach]

Yeah, what he did, he told Israel you don't want a king. But what's funny is these protesters, though, what they're actually saying is we don't know king, but our king. I mean, if their guys in, then they're excited about it. But I actually think the premise there, even us conservatives, we do need to take note of that.

I'm not putting all my eggs in the trump basket. And if that offends you, I'm sorry, but I'm not, I'm not putting my. I'm saying no king, but the king. And I think that that is important because when you go back and look at the founding of this country, I mean, and I don't know how this is controversial today, and I know people get mad when I say this on the podcast, but it's true. Like conservative humanism is still humanism. The King is King Jesus. And so if you look at the foundation of the country like you have, you look at the French Revolution, that was a. They rightly revolted against the monarchy during the French Revolution. I mean, it was absolute insanity of how oppressive the regime was. King Louis and Marie Antoinette.

And so the people do accurately, and I think justifiably revolt on some level. But then when you read about the revolt, it gets pretty sick what they actually did. And so they didn't have it. Then it got total anarchy, complete and utter chaos because they kicked out the King. They said, we don't want the royalty. It became a populist uprising is what it was. They gained power and it was led by a guy named Maximilien Robespierre. And then they became so paranoid that they just, they got out the guillotine. And I mean, they're chopping off everybody's head. Anybody that was a threat to the revolution, they would chop their head off. And then the guy who started the revolution, guess what happened to him? He ends up getting his head chopped off. And then that paved the way for another king, Napoleon Bonaparte, who was a brutal dictator. And so all of these systems, like you think they're going to work politically. And so you put your eggs in the basket of the politician. The problem is if the politician, if the actual system of government, if it isn't predicated on the king, a non arbitrary anchor to reality, if it's dependent on our will, our collective wills or whatever, some arbitrary thing, it's going to end in tyranny. That's why these people that are pushing back against quote, unquote, Christian nationalism, like, man, I want a country that's predicated on the fact that all men are created equal, that all men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. I mean, that's the idea that actually led to the abolishment of slavery. That's the idea that led to the end of the civil rights movement. That's the idea that led to the birth of this country. That is a primarily Christian idea. And so if you leave, that's what the thing is based on. So when we say no king but the king, what we're saying is we want to come under that truth of what God says and not what?

[Jay]

Yeah, but my problem is that they're leaving off the king. They're leaving off the king.

[Jason]

Here's why. So I think the most famous verse quoted in the Bible is John 3:16, For God to love the world, that he sent his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. But I think most people are just focused on the cross. But obviously Paul, when he has his little riff in 1 Corinthians 15, he's like, if Christ hasn't been raised, you're still in your sins. Your faith is futile. It doesn't end at the cross. When he says, it's finished. That's why we link that to the first creation. When God said, it's finished, it's done. And then he rested. So now let's see what I've created. Reflect my image. Well, the same thing happened when Jesus was raised from the dead. It's called the new creation on this planet. It's where heaven and earth meet. It's where humans and God meet in Jesus. So I want to illustrate that. And I found this quite comical because I'm using Phil's Bible and he's literally speaking from the grave here because he has notes on Psalms 2. And what's fascinating is that Psalm is quoted numerous times in the New Testament. But I want to read something that Phil discovered that I found fascinating. And I went here because I knew it talked about kings. So you'll see why I did this. But in Psalm 2, it says, why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? Which is a good question. Where's God? All this? Why is everybody against each other? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his anointed one. So that's why David said a long time ago, the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain, because the kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his anointed One. Let us break their chains, they say, and throw off their fetters. The one enthroned in heaven laughs. And my dad put out in the margin, God laughs.

It's a good question. Does God laugh? Look. And he put five verses where it also says that he laughed. Psalm 2, 4, Psalm 37, 13, Psalm 59, 8 Proverbs, maybe 126 or 3 26. And then Proverbs 3, 34. But on that 37, 13, he said, look at this. So I went over there and looked, and it said, the wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them. But the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming. So which I've heard my dad say that many times, so let me continue.

The one enthroned in heaven laughs. The Lord scoffs at them. Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, I have installed my king on Zion, my holy hill. I will proclaim the decree of the Lord. Now here's where it gets interesting. He says, you are my begotten son. Now, some translations leave out begotten because I think they thought, well, he must be mistaken. But it's in there.

[Zach]

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[Jay]

Oh, man, I was very young the first time I went to the continent. And every experience I've had has been amazing with the people I've met there and the believers that are there.

[Zach]

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[Jason]

But look, it's in the context of the resurrection and I'm going to prove that to you. It says, today, I have become your father. Ask of me and I will make the nations your Inheritance, the ends of the earth, your possession. You will rule them with an iron scepter, you will dash them to pieces like pottery. Therefore you kings, be wise, be warned, you rulers of the earth, serve the Lord with fear and rejoice. Kiss the sun, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. So did you know that that psalm is quoted in Acts 13? And I want to read to you where it's quoted and you tell me what the context of the begotten Son is. Here. This is 1332. We tell you the good news. What God promised our fathers, he has fulfilled for us their children by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second psalm, you are my begotten Son. Today I have become your Father. The fact that God raised him from the dead never to see decay is stated in these words. I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David. So it is stated elsewhere, which is, I believe. Where's that psalm? You will not. Well, you will not let your holy ones decay.

[Jay]

Oh, that's Psalm 16, Acts 2. That's quoted as well.

[Jason]

That's right where you wouldn't. And you need to read Psalm 16 right now, if you're listening and then come back, push pause. But then also look, you know where else it's quoted, is in Hebrews 1 on Now God Speaks. And when you read Hebrews 1, it immediately goes to where he gets his authority.

As being the exalted.

King at the right hand of God. He's the exact, you know, verse three, the exact representation of his being. After he provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven and became much more superior. So then he gets to verse five. There it is.

There'S that same quote. You are my begotten Son. Today I have become your Father, and I will be his Father, and he will be my son. Let all the angels worship him. And so what I found fascinating is when you Throw in Romans 1 Speaking of David, who is now.

Writing this in the Psalms. And Jesus fulfilling says the same thing in the first four verses when he says, jesus called to be an apostle and set apart for the Gospel, the gospel he promised beforehand through his holy Scriptures, which is what we're reading regarding his Son as to his human nature, was a descendant of David, and who through the spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God. That's power that always has that king connotation to it. Son of God, by his resurrection from the Dead Jesus Christ our Lord. So the last one I'll read after all this about the kings is. And this is what I did last night in my sermon. So I just can't help it. I read. What I did in the sermon I read 2 Corinthians 5 because they're doing a series on ministry. And I made the point that ministry for Jesus is not something we come up with, it's who we are. And I read 2 Corinthians 5 where it says, we are therefore Christ ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. And that ambassador has that royal connotation. We're representing heaven and the authority Jesus has at the right hand of God. And so I went through that whole chapter, but then I read Revelation 1, which I want to read this. I think it makes everything we've talked about come together.

John, to the seven churches, he says, grace and peace. This is verse four. To you from who is and who was and who is to come from the sevenfold Spirit. And I made a point about this being a present reality. Yes, we will be resurrected bodily in the end and live forever. But Jesus is. He was, he is, and he is to come before his throne. And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, there's that begotten. He's the firstborn from the dead, Psalm 2, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. And this is where I really preached on, because these three things about who we are.

Connects us with that royalty, being ambassadors to him who loves us. There's the cross, there's the life and has freed us. There's the death on a cross and the resurrection from our sins by his blood and has made us. There's the new creation, 2 Corinthians 5 again, to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father. To him be glory and power forever and ever. Amen. And then he quotes Daniel 7, look, he's coming with the clouds. And then when you go to verse 13, he references the Son of man. I saw one like the Son of man. And why was he coming on the clouds and one like the Son of man. And then he quotes Jesus himself in 17 and 18. He says, I am the first, the last, I'm the living one. I was dead. And behold, I am alive forever and ever. I hold the keys of death and Hades, and that's why he's the King of Kings.

[Jay]

And it's actually. It's the perfect. We're almost out of time, but it's the perfect Setup for exactly where we are in John 20 with the resurrection, because, you know, you coronate a king, there's a coronation, there's a big celebration of how, you know, this person became the king. It's usually on earthly kings, it's the passing of the torch because the, you know, former king or queen has died and now the royal line has now continued on what, what you're saying, what you just read, and those string of text says, this were from Psalms and the New Testament and eventually in Revelation shows us that the coronation of our king was the resurrection. Yes, no doubt about it.

[Zach]

Well, and it's connected to this idea of dominion, because when you get to. You just read that verse about Jesus, body was not left to decay. Then you read Romans 8 and it talks about the creation, which we're supposed to exercise dominion over. And what does it say about the creation that the creation groans with eager expectation, waiting for the sons of God to be revealed? Because the creation itself is going to be liberated from its bondage to decay as we actually exercise dominion with it in it. So then what you're going to see at the resurrection of our bodies is we're actually going to fulfill what Christ said to do in Genesis 1:28. We're going to do that. And so the reason why this begins at the resurrection is because Jesus is the first part of the creation to be in terms of a human. His created body is liberated from its bondage to decay, which is a foretaste of our bodies and the entire creation itself. So that's kind of an interesting thought to think about. That the ground that was cursed is now like, please can we get to the point where you humans are liberated so that you can cultivate the earth and, and turn this into the garden?

[Jay]

I love it. All right, we're out of time. But Jason, I like that. Loves us, freed us, made us that, that.

[Jason]

That'll preach. Those points are just right there. I didn't make that up. That's what it says.

[Jay]

Yeah, that's. That's gold. That may. That may surface again in my sermon this week. We'll see. So we'll. We'll hit. Hit into John 20 next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.