A Vanilla Valentine | Unhinged & Immoral Podcast EP 58

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unhinged & Immoral Ep. 58 — "A Vanilla Valentine"

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Date: February 12, 2026

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Overview

This episode sees Jamila and Mecca diving headfirst into Valentine’s Day vibes, worldly messes (from the Super Bowl halftime show to the revelation-loaded Epstein files), and reader drama. Sporting their signature wit and unfiltered humor, the duo swings between personal anecdotes, pop culture takes, and a detailed listener update, all while entertaining a live chat. It’s classic Unhinged & Immoral: wild, insightful, raucous, and deeply real.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

A. Life Updates: Surgery Chat and Pain Management

[02:05–06:24]

• Mecca discusses her recent brachioplasty (arm lift) following major weight loss, sharing candid details about post-op pain (“The first two days was a bitch, though.” — Mecca, 02:53) and medication woes.
• Both hosts commiserate about their negative experiences with pain medication and joke about the trauma of recovery.
• “On a scale of 1 to 10...maybe a 9 or 8. Only because you’re so high it doesn’t matter.” — Mecca [02:54]
• Jamila shares her anxiety about the pain and medication she’ll need for an upcoming surgery.

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B. Pop Culture: Super Bowl Halftime & Bad Bunny

[07:06–14:47]

• Jamila offers an unvarnished reaction to Bad Bunny’s halftime show: respects his look but says, “I don’t particularly listen to Spanish music… My espanol is very limited.” [08:12]
• Mecca addresses plastic surgery rumors and defends Bad Bunny as “just matured.”
• They poke fun at cultural privilege in body transformations and celebrity dating (the Kendall Jenner–Bad Bunny matchup).
• “He looked like he get down in the bedroom. That I understand.” — Mecca [09:56]
• Observations on the most-watched Super Bowl, and the hypocrisy of people threatening to boycott — “You are liars. Somebody’s lying.” — Jamila [10:33]
• Both critique segregated halftime performances and muse on who’s missing the mark with mainstream bookings, referencing the snub of top-tier Black artists.
• Chat about Coco Jones’ “Lift Every Voice and Sing” performance and insightful thoughts on fashion nods, reference culture, and representation in fashion and music.

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C. Deep Dive: The Jeffrey Epstein Files Bombshell

[15:23–38:38]

• Jamila lays out a comprehensive (and scathing) overview: “Jeffrey Epstein… got rich because of fraud. He’s a thief, he’s a liar, and a scammer, right?” [15:32]
• The new release: 3 million (of potentially 6 million) pages of evidence, implicating a mind-boggling array of public figures.
• Discussion: the horrifying scope (“They were trying to create another slave trade, though.” — Mecca [21:28]) and how media manipulation and internet conspiracy blended to cloak the scale of abuse for decades.
• The document drop’s big names: Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and especially Donald Trump (whose name appeared 38,000 times: “That nigga was in there tripping… 38,000 times is insane.” — Mecca [25:22]). They clarify Jay-Z was not in the official documentation.
• Emphasis on problem of misinformation going viral (“Let’s stay the course. The shit’s evil enough without you adding your own.” — Jamila [25:06])
• Cynicism toward political accountability and outrage at the double standards in media discourse.

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D. Political Outrage: Racist Memes & Presidential Standards [29:19–37:56]

• Reaction to the Republican meme depicting the Obamas as apes — with measured exhaustion rather than rage (“Leave us alone.” — Mecca [28:08]).
• Disgust with media outlets for platforming debates on whether such memes are racist rather than enforcing accountability.
• “Why is the President of the United States posting these stupid ass memes? Go to work.” — Jamila [29:19]
• Both hosts bemoan the “reality TV-ification” of politics, longing for basic qualifications in candidates.
• Epic Reagan/Nancy Reagan/Trump roast: “You picked a low-grade actor and his dick sucking wife to run the country.” — Mecca [33:15]; “Nancy is sucking the devil’s dick.” — Mecca [33:52]
• Skewering of politicians who refuse to resign or show responsibility.

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E. Dating, Sex, and a "Vanilla" Valentine [39:10–62:02]

• The duo transitions to Valentine’s Day plans and the culture around public love lives.
• Jokes about social media “relationship reveals” and the subtle (and not-so-subtle) flexes people post.
• Frank talk about periods of celibacy, wild sexual experiences, and the honesty (or dishonesty) people bring to their “vanilla” sexual identities.
• “I’m a vanilla person. I think I like regular 1990s old school freak shit. I don’t need all that.” — Mecca [48:16]
• Jamila: “I hate when people lie… I know some of your escapades… don’t say that you’re vanilla!” [48:21]
• Spirited debate (and laughter) about what counts as “vanilla,” from vibrators on balls to commiseration about the quick demise of hand-jobs as sex acts.
• Blunt truths: “Once it gets hard, we gots to see it through, you feel me?” — Mecca [59:22]

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F. Listener Segment: Spin It! – Relationship Update & Nasty Reads [62:02–77:02]

• Introduction to “Spin It” segment: listeners write in their messy relationship situations to receive PR-style advice.
• A returning writer, “Slim and Serpent,” updates her story: she cut things off with a manipulative ex, delivered a scathing “Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 8 nasty read,” and is now thriving, back in therapy, and dating a new, more promising man.
• Read-aloud of the letter, with quotable burns: “Your face card alone could have rebranded your entire lineage… You’re equivalent to a background character in an insurance commercial.” — Listener's read [68:51]
• Discussion on the value (and risks) of sending a final “read” to an ex.
• Deep chat on when an ex “gets ugly,” not just in looks but energetically, and how closure sometimes comes from within.
• Mecca: “I will keep letting a nigga fuck with me till he gets ugly to me… If he gets ugly, I’m not going back.” [73:25]

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G. Community, Upcoming Guests, and Live Show Plans [77:02–end]

• Announcements about future guest appearances (fitness influencer D’Angelo), Patreon benefits, and live segments.
• Invitation for listener participation via the chat and email.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The first two days was a bitch, though.” — Mecca on post-surgery pain [02:53]
• “I don’t particularly listen to Spanish music… That’s not what I was raised on.” — Jamila [08:12]
• “You are liars. Somebody’s lying.” — Jamila on Super Bowl moralists [10:33]
• “They were trying to create another slave trade, though.” — Mecca on Epstein revelations [21:28]
• “Let’s stay the course. The shit’s evil enough without you adding your own.” — Jamila [25:06]
• “Why is the President of the United States posting these stupid ass memes? Go to work.” — Jamila [29:19]
• “You picked a low-grade actor and his dick sucking wife to run the country.” — Mecca [33:15]
• “Once it gets hard, we gots to see it through, you feel me?” — Mecca [59:22]
• “Your face card alone could have rebranded your entire lineage… You’re equivalent to a background character in an insurance commercial.” — Listener, “Spin It” segment [68:51]

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Important Timestamps

• Mecca’s surgery/Pain Meds – [02:05–06:24]
• Bad Bunny/Super Bowl Commentary – [07:06–14:47]
• Epstein Files Breakdown – [15:23–38:38]
• Obama Meme/Racism in Politics – [29:19–37:56]
• Valentine’s Sex & Dating Realness – [39:10–62:02]
• Spin It! Listener Update – [62:02–77:02]

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Tone & Language

The episode brims with the hosts’ trademark blend of humor, directness, irreverence, and warmth. Nothing is off-limits — from surgical scars to sexual escapades to political corruption — and listeners get both riotous laughter and thoughtful, nuance-laden commentary.

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For New Listeners

This episode demonstrates why Unhinged & Immoral is a favorite: you get real, vividly recounted stories, sharp takes on current events, a strong sense of community, and the audacity to go where others won’t. If you missed it, use the timestamps above to find your way to the segment you need—whether you want laughs, tea, or practical advice.

Transcript

[A]

She flowing in that cash hall Walk in the booth like Naomi on the cat bar and tell them from the jaguar it ain't even right, though Push me and I might go she ain't getting money. I'm like, what the. A hype for when the bite flow make my appetite go poof.

[B]

Gone.

[A]

Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them. Ramping. All right, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Okay. I know we kind of all over the place. You see, we're trying to get our things together, together, but basically, we are going to be going live more when it comes to our actual, like, recording the episode, so you guys can kind of see all of the things like the knit and the grit. We are kind of recording off schedule right now because Mecca had an appointment earlier or yesterday, and then I have an appointment next Monday. So we're doing it today. Boom, boom, boom. But this episode is going to drop Thursday. Um, so now that we're, like, breaking the fourth wall, we're gonna, like, clock in really quick, do our intro, and then we're gonna start. We will be incorporating the chat as well, so feel free to kind of, like, add your little, you know, your little comments, and then.

[B]

Yeah, you know, usually Patreon gets the episode uploaded early, but it's kind of changing because it's like, y' all get to see it live in a way, you know? Yes, for sure.

[A]

All right, well, all right. Y' all ready? Okay.

[B]

Ready.

[A]

What's up, y'? All? Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged, Immoral.

[B]

And I'm Me.

[A]

Well, well, well. So many things are happening. So many things are happening. So many things are happening. I feel like I am quite, quite literally losing my mind. I think I have had enough of information. It's an overload.

[B]

I opt out, and I just got off the surgeon's table, so I had been opted out.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

I am one week post.

[A]

How was that? Like, are you. Are you. Are you here? Are you stiff? Like, move and grow?

[B]

Like, I. I told our Patreon subscribers, who. We have some of our Patreon subbies here in the chat right now, that I was getting a brachioplasty and extended brachioplasty, which is like, essentially an arm lift. It's after you lose a lot of weight. I've always wanted to get it because I've had, like, the grandma arms after losing weight, but it wasn't something that I was super duper pressed about. And then I just. I had the opportunity this year to get it done, and I was like, why not? So, yeah, my arms are going to be a bit skinny, but right now it's like, I'm. Do you hurt? I wouldn't call it hurt. The first two days was a bitch, though. The first two days was like. And I'm not really big on, like.

[A]

On a scale of 1 to 10.

[B]

As far as pain right out, maybe a 9 or 8. Maybe a 9 or 8. Only because it's like, you're so high, it doesn't matter. You see what I'm saying? Them narc.

[A]

What did they give you?

[B]

Perkin CEO? No, but I can. I don't like park. They give me headaches. So I really only took.

[A]

I don't like.

[B]

No, I don't like narco.

[A]

Actually.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

I'm very. What's the word? I don't even know. I'm very weak. My body cannot handle it. I've had to have a couple of. I've had to have two surgeries. I've had my tonsils removed and I've had my wisdom teeth removed as well as I had to take some because I had a really, really severe toothache. And let me tell you, that ain't no bitch. And so I had to take hydrocodone for those. Every time, every single time, without fail that I have to take hydrocodone, I throw up crazy. And I feel like I'm going to pass out or I do pass out because it's just too strong for me. But at the same time, the pain be strong, too. So I do need something to knock that edge off. So I'm going take it. But I'm going to be sick. So I'm a little. I'm a little anxious about having to take that pain medication after my surgery. But I know at the end of the day, if you want to hurt or. Or you want to throw up, it's kind of just like, what the other. What do you want?

[B]

I think what. It's kind of mindfuck. My doctor took a picture of the skin that they took off and I sh. And I got to see it was fucking gross. Yeah. For those.

[A]

Did they weigh it? Like, how much?

[B]

No, he didn't weigh it, but I think, like, it was more than I thought. Like, for those who don't know, I lost 100 pounds when we were like, 19. And, yeah, I didn't realize. I guess since I just wasn't paying attention. Bitch. It gets choosy regardless. So it wasn't like, you know, I wasn't like, oh, you know, like, well, I was like, dang, that was hella skin on my arms. I have been. I don't like. Like I said, I don't like narcos. They give me really bad headaches. I have been on, like, Tylenol and fudgeing thc, and that's kind of how I've been doing. But you get, like, mobility back within the first three, four days, so you did okay.

[A]

So I thought you were doing your best.

[B]

No, they went down my side. They went down my side like this. Because my back tattoo.

[A]

Right. So I'm saying. But, like, it was still a. Like you still got. Or was it both?

[B]

Technically a backlift. It's technically an extended brachioplasty. I thought it was going to be a back lift, but technically it's like they cut me up, and then they went down to the side, too.

[A]

So they cut you?

[B]

No, no. Down and then zipped you up from, like, my forearm. Can y' all see this? Down and then. So I don't have, like, no spillage over, like, side boob, skin and fat.

[A]

So they zipped you from the side.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like, I could wear. I could wear a nasty ass.

[B]

Or bus. Bus. Is it called a nasty ass bustier? You seen the Mr. Krabs meme where he's like, that's gonna be me. And I won't have no spillage because they took everything. Interesting. Yes.

[A]

Okay, so a little. A little yanking snatch.

[B]

I still have a little bit of a back roll, but I could fit. They said, yeah, you could fix that in the gym. They took all the stuff that couldn't.

[A]

Did you have to do any of the drainage type of thing? Is there drainage?

[B]

I had a drain. I didn't drain a lot, though. I mostly, like. I. I wasn't.

[A]

So you were stapled up or.

[B]

Only stitches. I'm. I'm. I'm. Stitch okay.

[A]

No, stitch only stitch okay.

[B]

You'll be. You'll be stitched so you won't have.

[A]

To get anything removed.

[B]

I don't. And I don't think they'll give you drains. They try not to give. Some doctors really, like, drains.

[A]

Oh, no, not for. Not for breast.

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

I've never. Haven't heard of that ever. All right, well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, well, let's talk about all the things going on in the world, because it's a lot.

[B]

Thank God I was sleep for most.

[A]

Of this going on, but, man, I just. Let's start on a lighter note. Let's start, like. Because it's gonna get dark. Lighter News Benito Bad bunny did the super bowl halftime. And you know, I will be honest, give my full disclaimer. I don't particularly listen to Spanish music. I don't, to be fair, I don't really listen to a lot of other cultures music just because it's not what I was raised on. That's not what I listen to. I don't even know what they saying. Of course, like any other black American, I know my fair share of reggaeton reggae and some of the afro beats, you know what I'm saying? I know Wayne Wonder, you know what I'm saying? I know my fair share. I know. I know the classics. But beyond that, beyond that, baby, I'm.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

I'm Americana down. Okay? So I knew going into the bowl I wasn't gonna know a whole lot of espanol, okay. My espanol is very limited. You know, I did take four years of Spanish. Collectively, you would think I would be better. But baby, they did not lie. When they say, you don't use that, you lose it.

[B]

I took Spanish too.

[A]

But he looked good. He looked good. That's what I did. Look good.

[B]

I know that attractive man.

[A]

He is fine. You know, they be saying he got.

[B]

Plastic surgery too, but every time I look at the pictures, I'm like, I think he just matured. I think he just grew into his looks and grew his hair out.

[A]

I was gonna say. God. I think I was gonna say, I think he probably. You know, one thing about a boy, they lose weight and they. They. They only have pounds for it to drastically change the way that they look, they have that male privilege. So I think he kind of just lost a little way, got a beer out and. And just started, you know, really staring in the camera, like.

[B]

Because when I look at pictures of him from when he first came out, like with Cardi B, I'm like, his face looks the same. It's just small, minor tweaks that are like.

[A]

Yeah, it was just a little.

[B]

Yeah, like he.

[A]

Like a little Gucci.

[B]

But he was younger. You got to think he was 10 years younger too. So it's like, yeah, everyone has a little gush good face when they 19, 20, 21. You don't. No. But you know, he likes. He likes a skinty gringa. He loves a gringa.

[A]

He.

[B]

He dated her. But all of his.

[A]

When I tell you that was so random because.

[B]

But that. But she's his type. That's how all his be looking.

[A]

Like, Kendall didn't know a word that baby was saying. She was Just in it for that dick.

[B]

Listen, he's probably turning her every wish play but loose. And he looked like he get down in the bedroom.

[A]

That I understand.

[B]

Like his hips don't lie or something. It look heavy.

[A]

I believe it.

[B]

Hold a record.

[A]

And what did I say? I know what I know. What I know what I know. I tweeted. All the crackers right now are talking about how much they're going to boycott and not watch the super bowl just for them to complain afterwards. And what happened exactly? That. Not only that, this was the most watched super bowl halftime of all time.

[B]

I have to.

[A]

You are liars. Somebody's lying.

[B]

I know I'll be talking about this, but this is my thesis. I want international fame. International fame is going to get you where you need to be and forever. Because think about how many people watching it. Not just like Americans at that point. You opened it up to all the Spanish speaking countries, all the Spanish speaking people. Like, of course he was going to have the highest fucking rating.

[A]

Yeah, that was no shock or surprise to me. I'm like, you fucking bastards had your segregated super bowl halftime. Nobody watched that. And I think y' all are buying views on that YouTube. Bitch. You can't fool me. I know how that payola work, bitch, but she ain't slick. Yeah, they definitely paying for views. I saw like a little clip of it on Twitter. That shit was ass. I wasn't even watching.

[B]

Like, I don't care. First. First of all, I've never listened to kids. My thing is, I don't listen to that guy.

[A]

Nobody does. My thing is, if you're gonna have a segregated bowl, you know what I'm saying? If you're gonna have the segregated bowl performance, why not go for the. The top notch crackers, you know what I'm saying? You just had Jelly roll doing his Christian propaganda on the Grammys where you couldn't get that little bastard. Oh, okay. Oh, they scared. They. They want to be down, but they ain't trying to be down down. They. They trying to be like, why y' all ain't call Nikki? Y' all new puppet? That would have been T. You might have got some viewership if you got Nikki.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Oh, y' all don't really want her black ass on that stage.

[B]

Her. Her black immigrant ass on the stage would be going against all their things. Actually.

[A]

Nikki, the signs are there. The signs are there, you know, And Coco Jones, she gave us lift every voice, sing our song. Come on now. Let me tell you, if you are a black, if you are a black. If you are a Negro and you don't know the Negro anthem, you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't know how you got to be this old and got away with not learning the Negro national.

[B]

It was really a requirement at Hampton for us to learn it to like pass a class.

[A]

I think almost at 8, your freshman year, first semester, you gonna learn that baby.

[B]

National anthem.

[A]

You gonna learn to be Negro. You gonna learn what being a Negro really is. But yeah, I thought she did really, really good. I love the nods.

[B]

The dress was. I liked it. You know what? I was also kind of thinking, so cute. This is. We're going to go to slight. Slight left turn law Roach, okay, has created this thing where everyone wants to make a nod or do archived pieces. And I really liked Coco's because it was a nod that was also still her own. What we're seeing, people aren't doing nods no more. They're just doing complete copying, like copy paste. And it's like, no, that's a nod to something. Or a reference is supposed to be like your spin. And if you look at how hip hop started sampling like funk beats and like, that's the point. You're supposed to take the sample of whatever art genre you're sampling and put your spin on it to create something completely new. So then we can be like, no, but you see how you pulled from here? And I just am so over, like reference culture. But not. But not reference. Reference in the way of I'm just gonna copy paste this look. And it's reference. Like, no, I hate that. Yeah.

[A]

There's just a way to do. And I think she did it very well. And she definitely made it her own. I liked how she switched the red, white and blue to the Pan African colors as well to celebrate black.

[B]

And shout out to my homegirl, Ellen. She was playing a violin with the bag.

[A]

What's up, Sacramento? They gave our girl. They gave. They gave our girl a close up. She looked so cute. I was like, this is so cool like this.

[B]

And mind you, Alen makes music of her own. She's a singer, a songwriter. She played 50 love instruments. The is ts. Yes.

[A]

My s. Yeah, she did good. That was really cool. I'm like, period. Girl, you better. You better play that violin. Girl, you better play that instrument. Okay. Put the babies in the mid teeth in the art classes.

[B]

Early B been playing a list pay.

[A]

Off they could be playing violence since.

[B]

She was tree she got one of them little pictures. When you a baby at a toddler just.

[A]

Exactly. But yes, super cool. But, but, but, but. On to darker news. Let's get wicked.

[B]

It's me.

[A]

So basically what had happened was if y' all don't know, of course, what are the Epstein files? Who is Jeffrey Epstein? What is all the things with the ff? So Jeffrey Epstein is. And I, I've seen a lot of people ask this question and I know maybe a lot of people did not see the documentary and it's been a while since I've seen. I kind of need to re watch it. But a lot of people ask who is this Jeffrey Epstein? Like how did he become so rich? Fraud. He got rich because of fraud. He's a thief, he's a liar and a scammer, right? So he scammed his way to two millions and billions or whatever. Essentially what happened was the documentation, like all the evidence had been classified information and redacted and things like that. And so Congress passed an act that basically says, hey, we need a transparency with. With what's going on because of just how many people have been implic it. So basically Congress had passed the law that says y' all need to release this to the Department of Justice. Department of justice said, are you sure? Like you sure you want. Okay. So then they gave us a little nugget that was like mad redact and they said try again, do it again. So then they released half of the. The files, right? Half of the files was 3 million pages of evidence.

[B]

And everybody you ever heard of in your fucking life went to that fucking island. It's so strange.

[A]

Three million pages. It's half.

[B]

I'm trying to figure out the levels at which now what it seems. It seems like the island overall was used as a sex slave situation. But then it also seems like it was also people just like passed like, like they also had some level of regular part like a Diddy party. You see what I'm saying? It get a little bit.

[A]

It was like from what I've seen.

[B]

And Taylor, I also shout out to the chat, I think he is alive as well. I don't think he's dead.

[A]

Yes, that is a conspiracy theory about his. I think that there's one of two options with, with. With Jeffrey Epstein's demise, right. I think that he is either alive somewhere in Tel Aviv.

[B]

Tel Aviv specifically is hella funny in Tel Aviv.

[A]

I think that he's. He's either there or he's dead but was killed. I think that there are only. I. I think that to say that he killed himself based off of the arrogance alone that he had. That does not make sense to me, especially considering how long he was cooperating. You know what I'm saying? Like to cooperate this long just to kill yourself. Get the out my face. So it's one of two things in my opinion. But back to the files. What we have discovered so far is that not only was it he's not a self checkout pedophile, right?

[B]

Christina Flip said he's not a self checkout type of guy.

[A]

Yeah. It just didn't really give that. It, it, it didn't really give that. But not only was this a like pedophile ring, right. Like I think that to, to say that it was a pedophile ring is kind of like dulling it down. Right? Because we have lots of pedophiles in the country, right. They're walking amongst us. Ask Nikki. They're. They're amongst us, right.

[B]

But we do need a soundboard found because that. To freedom that would have.

[A]

Right after that. What we have found is actually far worse. Number one, we, we see that it's written as an organization, right? They are funneling and kidnapping people and children and doing the most heinous, disgusting, vile, evil acts to children. But not only that, something that was probably the most damning for me and the most like validating because I'm like, I knew this and I've been saying this, I just did not have the puzzle pieces to connect it, which is that they have been infiltrating the media spaces to continue continuously perpetuating certain ideologies to rile the right base up. They are solely responsible for the alt right media pipeline. And so my connection to that is this is just another implication of their Southern strategy essentially because after a certain amount of time when we have had media and Internet influence, I think what started to happen is two things. Number one, as a society, progression is natural. We are consistently progressing as a country, as a nation, as society because we get more information and we change the way in which we operate, right? But not only that, because we have like the wave of the Internet and social media, people are being able to, to, to trade information and trade experiences. So you are blocking out that propaganda that was fed to mainstream media via the news. And so I think what happened is these people, these powerful people which Jeffrey Epstein was a part of, they already knew that. And so what they did instead was just re implement that same strategy and put it into the interweb. But I think what also happened is they drastically underestimated how deep Internet goes. And so what happened was while There are real victims out there in the interweb dropping their real accounts of abuse, molestation, rape, kidnapping. All of the things that plus the all white pipeline blended together is what created all of these conspiracy theories that were so rogue and so ridiculous that no one paid attention to. So it got swept under the rug for 10, 15, 20 years. My God. That is very spooky.

[B]

Yeah, very spooky. All of this thing is spooky. It seems racism has saved us in this instance. They were trying to create another slave trade, though. And the names of the people who have touched the island is just like, what were you doing here?

[A]

Bill Gates.

[B]

Bill Clinton and Bill Gates.

[A]

What Bill. Bill Gates got his. His ex wife got on here and said, yeah, that's why I left them. Yeah. Oh, y' all are just now realizing this weird and nasty, disgusting, dirty. This Bill Gates was cheating on his wife so much with the. The victims of Epstein's island that he ended up catching some type of venereal disease and tried to ask Epstein to for medication so that he can sneak to his wife so she wouldn't find out.

[B]

I did not know that.

[A]

Oh yes.

[B]

Oh, yes, they were in my comments. Now you have to. I don't know how true this is because I told Jamila before we got on. I haven't. I've obviously been comatose. Was Jay Z on the island?

[A]

No. So the stuff about Jay Z was pulled from a 2019 TIP report. He's not implicated in the emails or the actual. The Epstein documentation. So Epstein has documented a lot of stuff that was thorough. I'll tell you that. That emailing pictures and all type of Jay Z and Pusha T were not implicated in any of those files or the email correspondence or anything like that. Jay Z and Pusha T implicated via a tip line in 2019. So essentially when this case exploded to the public, the FBI opened up a tip line for people who wanted to submit, convert or submit their own evidence and their claims and stuff. And so someone, one tip made a claim that they were her assaulted by Jay z at a 1994 party where Harvey Weinstein was there and. And also implicated Pusha T that basically he was like the handler in 1994. A lot of people are confused. And that's where a lot of people's confusion comes in because they're like, I.

[B]

Was gonna say his ass was in Virginia somewhere.

[A]

But even still, but even still, kind of a lot of people kind of like, I'm not necessarily trying to say I don't believe the victim, but like the timeline doesn't really make sense because what the would Jay Z be doing with Epstein in 96? And his first album came out in 96 and he was not Hov in 96.

[B]

Felt like he just cracked in New York.

[A]

So I think a lot of people are kind of just trying to figure out like, where. What is it all, you know, saying. But it's just so much like. And then on top of that, it's a lot of misinformation happening simultaneously with the, the, the files being dropped. Right. People are. You can go to the DOJ's website and like, look up the files yourself. Right?

[B]

Oh, my camera's clear now. Thank you for letting me know. My camera's clear half of it.

[A]

Okay. Oh, your camera. So it's like there are people who are reiterating or retelling, trying to get their little viral moment off of stuff that has never been validated and it's just like fake made up stuff. And I'm like, this is not helping. You know what I'm saying? Let's stay the course. The shit's evil enough without you adding your own.

[B]

We always say this. It can just be bad. You don't have to add to make it worse. Like one bad thing is enough for it to be bad.

[A]

Donald Trump's name was found 38,000 times.

[B]

That nigga was in there tripping. It's not funny. 38,000 times is insane.

[A]

Your name showed up, mind you. Mind you. Only the half, though. Only the half. We have not. We still have not gotten the other half of the files within the 3 million pages. Half of the documentation. The President of the United States, Donald Trump yalls president that you claim is not racist, not homophobic, not misogynist, not a predator, not all the things that he obviously is showed up in Epstein's documented files 38,000 times.

[B]

And the barb is in my comments talking about some Jay Z. That's why I was confused. Shut up.

[A]

Can we focus, please? So that, that's, that's where we are with that. The Congress is still trying to pressure DOJ to release.

[B]

Why the chat. Talking about he did want to F his daughter.

[A]

He did. You didn't see that video. He said that he would. What's the dog name? Ivanka. Yeah, he wanted to. He wanted to have sex or. He said he loved her legs. He thought she was sexy. He's a pedophile.

[B]

He's.

[A]

He's nasty and he looks like he's clammy and stinky.

[B]

Oh, that's gross. That's disgusting. Yeah, that made me so uncomfortable. Anyways, I was literally just talking to my mom about yesterday when after I had lost weight and one of my dad's friends in San Francisco, we had went to visit him, and they didn't. He wasn't standing with me at the time, and he tried to pop at me. And my dad, like, fucking had an aneurysm and tweaked out on him. And I just am like, that's what your dad's supposed to do, not say you're sexy. That's fudgeing crazy. That's gross.

[A]

But what do you expect from a nigga like Donald Trump? You know what I mean? But, yeah, a whole lot of. Whole lot of wicked ass shit going on in the country.

[B]

The Obama video. But sprinkle of a dab on the top of all of this. That's how, you know we fed up because niggas didn't even get mad. We just said.

[A]

I. The thing is, like, I can't care about racist caricatures anymore. I just. I couldn't care if I tried because we're so far past racist characters. You call and this is like you putting Obama and Michelle on some monkeys. Some damn apes.

[B]

Leave us alone. Like, that's what. That's how I think.

[A]

What I'm more exhausted by is the Republicans trying to pretend like it was an accident. He didn't mean it, even though he said he refuses to apologize. Oh, it was actually a staffer. Name the staffer then. Which one? Are they in trouble then? Okay, everybody shut the up if you're not gonna do nothing. Shit up. I'm over it. I'm freaking over it, so.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, I. I mean, I didn't care. I saw it and was like, you know, taking a call back to the episode we did about the Tyler, the creator, and coming from that troll. We created all this. All this trolling. We created it like that. I remember when I used to just. Just think that type of shit was funny. And I had like a. Like a moment where I went back to myself because I looked at. I said, what the fuck is this? Like, I just started laughing because I was like, it's so fudgeing stupid that it's like, I'm not taking this serious. This is a troll. I don't care. And as a bigger troll, like, I could do something that could counter this, but it's just like, no.

[A]

Our standards for politicians have dropped so disgustingly low. Because while y' all are debating on Fox News on whether or not Black people as apes is racist. While y' all are even debating that as a, as a talking point, I'm sitting there asking, okay, so. So what was the fucking purpose of him posting it any motherfucking way? Why is the President of the United States posting these stupid ass memes? Go to work like, this is like, you're. Y' all are lame, bro. Y' all are lame. Y' all are lame. Like, the whole idea that the president be tweeting in the first place that we have, like, we have so completely normalized that as a nation that y' all are over here creating whole ass debate panels for, for, for, for as apes. And it's like, bro, yes, it was racist. I'm not. One thing I'm not gonna do is have a debate about something.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And that's the shit that be irritating me about. Cnn, msnbc, the Democratic Party, all of them. Y' all want to sit here and debate on whether or not something is or is not racist. I know it's racist. That's not what I'm asking you. I don't give a fuck. Why are you posting this shit? You should be held responsible. You should be in trouble for shit like this. Because you know what? Any other person that was logged into their fucking work website that posted some stupid ass meme, no matter what the fuck it was, would be fired. They would be in trouble. This. They don't get in trouble for shit. They talk about some. Yeah, if we win the midterm elections, we're going to impeach him again, bitch. He was already impeached and he's back to president.

[B]

Feel like I don't understand impeachment. I know Bill Clinton was technically impeached as well, or he was put on trial for being impeached.

[A]

The impeachment is the trial. It's basically like a sanction. Like you're in trouble, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't be present anymore. That's like the first step.

[B]

A real would resign like Nixon.

[A]

He didn't.

[B]

So that's what I'm saying. You see, Nixon did some and got.

[A]

The on like, you know, you did that? Come on now. And I actually think Nixon, if I remember correctly, I think he resigned before he could get impeached.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. He said, oh, hell no.

[A]

I'm out of here. I'm out of here. He's literally that. That meme of Dave Chappelle where he just like knocks the water over and.

[B]

Just run through Nick said, I don't Want no problems. It's all good child. I'm. I' ma see myself out. Embarrassing. Well, you know, like Nixon.

[A]

Mind you, Nixon was also the devil and that resigned because he was caught up in some. You haven't resigned yet.

[B]

You. I' ma just. I' ma just one option, y'.

[A]

All and I keep.

[B]

Listen, I don't want no more reality stars as politicians. I'm literally over it. I mean. And sorry, Dr. Heavenly, that means you too. Because I'm just not.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

I'm just not gonna do that.

[A]

Whatever happened to qualifications?

[B]

It's not even that. It's just like. I just can't. I just can't. I can't, I can't. I don't mind that you call your husband daddy, but I don't want to know that information about my politicians, my, my civil servant, you know?

[A]

Absolutely not. And the thing is, like I said, what happens to qualifications? Okay, we know you got to be what, 35 years old to be president. You got to be born a US citizen. Okay, okay. What about a college degree in political science? Something bare minimum, bare mint. What about has held public office before? I'm sorry, it's time to be a little bit elitist when it comes to the presidency. No, your average Joe shouldn't be the president if they don't know what the they're talking about. How about they have to take a class a test on economics. This be talking about.

[B]

He literally has no idea how Reaganomics turned out. It didn't work because you picked a low grade actor and his dick sucking wife to run the country. And I'm not even mad at Nancy stuck in. That's what Nancy should have been trying to teach how to do is suck dick.

[A]

But instead you want to flip the script and say say no to drugs. Say no to some dick. You ever tried that, Nancy?

[B]

You know, when y' all planted the drugs.

[A]

I will never get off of these next Ronald Reagan. Never.

[B]

He's looking up at us. Him and Nancy and Donald. And Nancy is sucking the devil's dick.

[A]

And why the hell Is Mitch McConnell still alive? No, like that pisses me off. Because if my grandparents died and my uncle died real easily, I feel like that should have been dead. This has been walking dead for the past five years. Like that really piss me off. What you mean? This thing got checked into the hospital and he's. He's still not dead yet? That is a walking bruise. He can't even talk straight. Was having a stroke at a goddamn press conference with the Gobble Gobble in his neck. Be happy. Get the out of here. That really pisses me off. He should not still be here. Yeah, he should not.

[B]

A lot of people shouldn't be here.

[A]

A lot of people.

[B]

I just know. Let me go ahead and say this. Y' all gonna win. Certain people get up out of here and y' all not gonna make me feel no way about it. I don't give a. I don't give a. Y' all gonna. Because you know when the way people talk and I have taken note of every out of pocket thing that has been said when black people have been killed, when. When people of color are being killed, when ice is killing people, I said, oh, y' all gonna be. It's gonna get nasty around these parts. They learned on TikTok last week that one thing about me, I'm going to take it to hell. If you say something mean, I'm going to say something meaner. And that's why I had to say, that girl's teeth was fucked up. She's not ugly, but her teeth are fucked up. This is just the beginning.

[A]

I just think that everyone's a liar. Y', all, you know this. I'm just going to point out the hypocrisy within all you bitches. Y' all got up here and was like, I can't believe you guys are happy and celebrating the death of a man. Did y' all or did y' all not celebrate the death of Osama bin Laden? Huh? What was it?

[B]

And this leads us into our next point.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Celebrating the death of people. This is not at all where the conversation is supposed to go. We're supposed to be talking about fucking Valentine's Day. But celebrating the death of people, we'll.

[A]

Get to that shit has to do.

[B]

With the impact that they had when they were on the earth. So you feel justified, right?

[A]

As old as. Was celebrating death in the Bible justified.

[B]

Celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden? Because even if you just look at 9, 11 alone, that's thousands of people he's responsible for the deaths of. And that's just one event that was bombing shit for 20 years before they even got his ass right. So think of the death toll or his body count. When you think about, like presidents, and I'm. I don't mind saying this, you no good person is the President of the United States of America. Any president. That's a job that just. You cannot be a quote unquote good person. So, you know, if you feel like I'm a celebrate because this person is responsible for this X, Y and Z. Historically, even the Negro. You see how I said nobody who's president of the United States. The job, the job entails, have no heart. And I mean that with all respect to my Kenyan brother.

[A]

I don't even mean.

[B]

I mean, like, just have no heart. Like, you can't. You cannot be president and be a good person. You're going to be put in positions where you have to pick this or pick that. And both choices are people die. That's the reality of the job.

[A]

Like, America is run on imperialism and fascism. So to be the president is to be an imperialist, is to be a fascist. While we can hope and wish and pray and try to get the best fascist, we can find a fascist nonetheless.

[B]

You know, I would like. I, I would. I would have liked my fascist to be in pearls and pumps and laughing in a silk press, you know, Well, I. We can have our preferences. I think that's okay. But, you know, the job description does not. You're just not a good person. That's why I would never want to be president. I would never want to be president. Plus, it ages you.

[A]

I would never want to hold public office at all. I've had so many people ask me if I would ever run for public office. Are you crazy? First of all, I'm not professional. Let's start there. And you know me, I do think that there's a level of professionality that you need to have when you are in public office. And I will never not say that. Thank you. I am not a professional ass bitch. I'm a nigger from around the way, and I'm going to always be that nigga. I am a voice of a people. I am an artiste. And so I'm going to continue to criticize all of those who run for public office because that's what I'm good at doing. Okay, thank you. And you need both.

[B]

You need the people who are going to run for public office and the people who are going to criticize them because it creates a checks and balance system. That's the point. I do think when we get to a place where we feel like we cannot critique any civil servants, people who hold public office, that's. That's a dangerous game to play. When it's like, oh, you can't say something because what do you mean, who can't? That's their job. They're here to serve us, you know?

[A]

Anyways, Valentine's Day is coming up. Does anybody have any plans? Do some things like, what are Y' all about to do for the.

[B]

What are you about to do, Jamila?

[A]

Love is in the air. Oh, you know, I don't tell my business, but love is in the air. We love love. I love love. But no, I, I. What, what is Valentine's Day or Saturday.

[B]

Because it's today's attempt.

[A]

Oh, look at that. Valentine's Day on a Saturday. Good for you. Good for y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Y' all do y' all thing, you know what I'm saying? I keeps it p. You know what I mean?

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

I'm Sharia and I lost 80 pounds on Weight Watchers. I realized that it would take more than a prescription to lose weight and feel good on a GLP1.

[B]

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[A]

I do something every day. You feel me? What are your plans?

[B]

I'm recovering from surgery, so see how.

[A]

We do.

[B]

Freshly cut on. You see my hands are swollen like hot links.

[A]

That didn't stop you when you got them titties done, did it?

[B]

I was also 21. I was also 21. My body's not the same anymore. Let me tell you this, like, in a general sense, I actually don't like going out on Valentine's Day specifically because it's like the food is never really good because the restaurants are so packed out. I prefer, you know, it's easy as fuck. Like, I actually would rather do something either the day before or the day after because it's much being outside on Valentine's Day specifically is hectic as fuck. I've done it a couple times and I actually didn't enjoy it, to be honest.

[A]

Valentine's Day on a Saturday in Atlanta. I think I need to stake out somewhere and people.

[B]

That would be fine.

[A]

That sounds like so much fun. Oh, my God, I cannot wait to see all of the situation ships. The marriages, the inconspicuous people that should not be together. Oh, yes, that's tea for me. And also, what I love about Valentine's Day is people come out, right? People come out with their relationship.

[B]

Valentine's Day and Christmas is when we find out about relationships. So I am excited.

[A]

I didn't know you had a man.

[B]

I feel like black people love.

[A]

I love when people like post their subliminal stuff too. Like they'll just post flowers on the, on the nightstand or something. Something simple like that. Like, oh, just a teddy bear in the corner. Like, oh, I. You're loved on, huh? Whole time. I'm the type of. I'll post some flyers, some flowers, inconspicuously. My daddy gave me those. I just like that, you know what I'm saying? I like to, to switch it up, you know, I like to keep everybody guessing. You'll never know my move.

[B]

Yeah, no, I don't.

[A]

You'll never know what the poster.

[B]

I don't like to post anything. You know what's so crazy? I was looking at shit. I was like, dang, I don't post a nigga so much that a couple of years ago I had posted the nigga I was fucking with at the time and like a photo dump. And it was like regular. And I was like, damn, no one even said, who is this nigga? It was like, it was like a group activity. So I was like, that's how inconspicuous I be. Listen, I'm a post, I'm a post. Like it's a regular Saturday. I'm not.

[A]

Y' all know I, y' all know I live, right. I live a life that I, I, I can't. You know what I mean? Like.

[B]

Like all y' all need to know is that I get my back beat in on a regular basis. That's the. Oh, I don't play about it. Whether, you know, whether I'm, I'm in a situationship or a relationship, I don't play about it. And, and I'm a grown ass lady. I can say that I don't know about y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Oh, I'm. I ain't getting none. You ain't got no on standby. The hell we talking about? And if you don't have on standby, you ain't got a rose. Something's getting touched. Okay? Somebody's gonna touch me, whether it's me or someone else.

[A]

Jesus Christ. Liz says, y', all, I've been abstinent for two years.

[B]

So you know why I'm like this? I actually was abstinent for a year when I think we were 26. Wonderful experience. Would never do it again.

[A]

Christian Flips is also celebrant. Hey, what's going on? Yeah. And, you know, can I say something, y'?

[B]

All.

[A]

And don't. You know I'm saying. Just let me say it. You know what I'm saying? I have my thoughts, and y' all have your thoughts. Let me just say my thoughts. Whenever I see someone announce. Listen to the words I'm saying. Before anyone judges me, whenever I see someone announce their celibacy, I'll be thinking, oh, they had a year. Oh, oh, oh, they got knocked. And like, the moment I see somebody announcing their celibacy, I'm like, oh, they got like. You know what I mean? Like, damn, you got. You ever just get so much as you gotta, like, like, really reconsider? You gotta look in the mirror like, you know, I mean, what are you doing? Y', all, like, what made me be.

[B]

Asking for a year?

[A]

This is a lot.

[B]

After. After situation. I said, I gotta rethink things. I gotta re. I gotta. My puss is too powerful.

[A]

I have to fussing like crazy. You were like, I. I can't. That's a lot of. I gotta kind of calm down. Like, I. She don't know what she doing this.

[B]

Living it out.

[A]

Like, that's. Listen. That's what I be thinking to myself.

[B]

My emotional baby daddy bought me a refrigerator. Still have it. Thank him to this day. And then he had a Mexican who looked like spongebob at the body texting me, cussing me out, talking about why am I texting her? Which I already was like, why are you saying. And I. She said, why are you asking my. For money? And I said, why? You should ask your why he's sending the money. That's what you asking the wrong questions to the wrong person.

[A]

You've seen.

[B]

You've seen the cash app notification. You should be knocking him upside his head instead of being in my phone.

[A]

The situations that you have been a part of.

[B]

Oh, that.

[A]

Okay, you know what? I also think that Valentine's Day is also the day that people explore their sexuality. I think that Valentine's Day. We talk about, like, what's the freakiest day of the year? There's a few. But I do think that Valentine's Day is one of the freakiest days of the year because you're so full of love and lust. That's when you start playing with and like that. It just gets a little, like. Oh, it just gets a little freaky deaky. You know what I'm saying? You might do butt plug. You know, ain't nothing wrong with a butt plug that you've never thought you would do before. You know what I mean? Get tied up on Valentine's Day. It just gets real spooky.

[B]

You get tied up. You see how I'm posing the question? Would you not have you? Would you, though?

[A]

So I'll answer that. No. Only because I have tried that before. It actually gave me an intense anxiety attack. I don't like being. I have really bad. What's that word?

[B]

What? Claustrophobia.

[A]

And it. I feel like it invoked my claustrophobia. I don't like not being able to move.

[B]

I've never been tied up.

[A]

I said, there we go. I said, let it. I'm dying. I'm tired. I'm tired.

[B]

I'm tired. Apples.

[A]

I'm tired. I can't breathe.

[B]

Oh, no, no. Yeah.

[A]

I actually don't like, you know, I don't.

[B]

I'm a vanilla person. I think I like regular 1990s old school freak shit. I don't need all that.

[A]

I hate when people lie. I hate when people lie. Like, I hate when people lie for no reason. Because it's like, we've. We've had this podcast for a year, and we've talked about some of your escapades, and I know some of your escapades that you have not discussed, bitch. So don't ever in your life, in front of me, say that you're vanilla. Almost. Cut the cameras.

[B]

I'm vanilla, baby. I ain't no killer, baby. Anyway, I say that because it's like, even the fact that I have tried so much, though. I don't need to do that, though. I'm more of like a YOLO ass. Like. Like yolo.

[A]

So where are we getting vanilla from?

[B]

Because, like, on a.

[A]

You think vanilla Try.

[B]

No. Do you know I know what vanilla. Vanilla means. I'm saying, like, on a regular basis. Like, on a.

[A]

Is Neapolitan. Like, please not.

[B]

Someone said they audibly cackled. I've been around since 2020. You can't lie to us because.

[A]

Exactly. Thank you. Please clock her T. I'm just.

[B]

I'm just.

[A]

Exactly. Mecca is a dominatrix. You already know. We already know this. You cannot be vanilla and a dominatrix bitch. Those two things don't go together.

[B]

I'm just saying I like a. Like, on a day to day basis, I don't be doing shit like. And I'm still like, with my regular sex, regular healthy sex life.

[A]

We still don't believe you, Mecca, is what we're saying. So just go ahead and pack it up. No, I mean like on a regular date. No, I mean. No, I mean like one. This one time I was vanilla, I feel like goodbye.

[B]

Most of the time I am vanilla. And then maybe once a year I get not vanilla. Maybe maybe once a quarter. Honestly, at this point. Anyway.

[A]

Bitches want to be vanilla these days.

[B]

Sometimes you just want to have.

[A]

Now all of a sudden. Pillow princesses.

[B]

Sometimes you just want to have good Christian sex. You know, Sometimes you want to just do this. That.

[A]

I think them Christians is nasty.

[B]

I think them.

[A]

I think. I think them Christians with them skirts today, the ankle. I think it gets disgusting in that bedroom. Then Pentecostals, then Pentecostal marriage.

[B]

Well, no, Pentecostalism, It's a sin to masturbate. So it's. It's like a pendulum. They're either super freaky or they really super not.

[A]

Jesus Christ. Y' all just be making up rules to hurt yourselves. Man. Jesus ain't saying about that.

[B]

That. That's something that I'm just gonna have to answer God for because I be.

[A]

Listen, DJ Mail. We gonna just have to negotiate. Lord, come on now. Why would you make it thump so many rules? You.

[B]

My.

[A]

It's like. I don't. I'm sorry. I don't believe that for one minute. The clitoris don't have no other function but to feel good. You alive. He said he. It was meant to get somebody gonna touch it.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It was meant to get pressed up on. You know what I mean? If the boy is in front.

[B]

All right, I told y', all, I'm vanilla. I don't know nothing about that. Thank you. Someone said I. I know what you mean, though, Mecca. I get spicy on b. Days and holidays. That's what I'm. I'm more so just saying from a day to day basis, like on a. Because, okay, if you have a healthy sex life. Jamila, I know that you don't have sex, but if I did, how many times a week you think?

[A]

If I did. What was the question?

[B]

Remember when O.J. simpson wrote that book?

[A]

If I did it, if I did it, that's me. If I.

[B]

How many times a week? How many times?

[A]

What was the question though?

[B]

You getting it in like, what's your minimum times?

[A]

Like if I have.

[B]

Yeah, if you have a man who's living in your house, you're going to bed every night. What is. How many. How many times a week? How many times a day? Like.

[A]

I feel like on a. A really strong week. Like we just really was in love this week. I feel like probably like five to seven times a week. So every day I feel like. But like on a normal. Essentially. But like on a normal. Like, like on a. Like a normal week though. Like a. You're busy, you know, I'm saying, like we're not just od. Lusty. Like probably like one to two to three.

[B]

So is it one, is it two or is it three?

[A]

Depends. One to two to three. One's three.

[B]

So I've been in a relationship where we had sex every night that we were together, which was most of the days of the week. I feel like that's really easy. If you go in to sleep in the same bed. Just turn around before it is, before you fall asleep and get a little quick again.

[A]

That's why it's just like, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's just, it's just, it's there, you know what I'm saying? Kind of like the rose.

[B]

You wake up in the morning, you like, you wake up and it's dick and you sticking your back. You know what I'm saying? Why'd you look like that?

[A]

It was just the way it came out. It was very harsh. Dicky. I wake up with some dickies. Yeah, you know, like consensual, you know.

[B]

You wake up as dick in your back. You know what I'm talking about?

[A]

You sounded like Kevin Gates.

[B]

He scares me though.

[A]

Beeping with my chick while I'm in jail.

[B]

Wake up, it's digging your back.

[A]

You know what I'm talking about?

[B]

Like it's easy to.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. Like on a day to day basis, it's like it do give vanilla because you're not doing no crazy.

[A]

When you wake up in the morning.

[B]

It'S dick in your back. You just lift up, lift your leg up.

[A]

But I mean, the thing is like a casual quickie, a little random fling. I don't think that that necessarily describes who you are sexually though, you know What I mean, because just like every time you have a quickie. No, we're not hanging from the ceiling because it's like that. That requires the things. But if you want to hang from the ceiling every now and again, like, I don't think that makes. That does not qualify you as being a vanilla person. The people who are vanilla are. Are vanilla. Like, they're not like, bitch, I'm not doing all that extra shit. No, I'm not doing that. Like, they want standard sex, three positions max, you know what I'm saying? In and out, let's do this, let's do that. And ain't nothing wrong with that if that's your vibe. Because sex is sex. But yeah, I don't think that you're a vanilla person.

[B]

You know, I'll eat that. I'm not. I'm not a vanilla person. But, you know, we do what is most most convenient on a regular basis.

[A]

And it's like, also, I feel like quickie or not, you gonna talk me through it and you gonna say you gonna do. You gonna still, you know what I'm saying? Put that hand around my neck. Hypothetically speaking, if I was to engage in certain type of.

[B]

So it would not be vanilla, though.

[A]

Because hypothetically is giving caramel with chocolate.

[B]

You said Neapolitan. Okay, I wanna.

[A]

I want this chunky monkey.

[B]

I'm crying, you rocky road ass bitch. Peanuts and marshmallows and caramel and chocolate ass bitch.

[A]

Bitches got all type of in that ice cream.

[B]

What can I say?

[A]

But I think I, you know, you gotta.

[B]

You gotta put it on a man. Like one good time. You never leave you alone. You gotta. And that's what. That's where you bring out a freaky. Put the vibrator on his balls, put him on the make.

[A]

I wanna marry me.

[B]

Hit the 3000 vibrator over here. Have his eyes rolled back. He'd be convulsive. And I'm trying to tell you what you know, you know. But I don't know nothing about that because I'm vanilla.

[A]

This is the same that said she was vanilla, but she put up. She's putting a vibrator on a balls, but she's vanilla. Vanilla, but she's vibrating a nigga's dick. Be serious. What are we talking about? What type of vanilla vibrates balls? Vanilla don't even suck balls.

[B]

Really? I feel like that's. That's standard fellatio.

[A]

You think? I'm telling you as out there, it's not getting them balls. They not going they not. They not thorough with it. There's some bitches out there that's not going to the balls.

[B]

I'm crying at Taylor. Be like, get you a bullet and suck it off. Game changer. Mind you, Taylor's married, so it's like. I'm like, oh, y' all in there. My God, Taylor and her husband look like a perfect Christian couple.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Is that.

[A]

You think that's Taylor?

[B]

Oh, is that not Taylor our manager?

[A]

I doubt that. I was gonna be like, Taylor. You saw Taylor and just assumed it was.

[B]

I literally thought. I thought it was Taylor.

[A]

My hands don't be in the mood to do what.

[B]

I'm crying when Taylor watches this back. She's gonna scream. Because I literally thought of Taylor and her husband. I was gonna be like, I've been thinking that was Taylor. I was like, oh, Taylor's cutting loose.

[A]

Today for a hand job, man. Oh, handy dandy, man. I ain't gave a. Oh, handy Wendy in years. Just like, nothing but hand. Just hand. That's what I'm saying. I. I ain't did no hand work.

[B]

Just hand work.

[A]

It's been a minute since I only did, you know what I'm saying? Since you know what I'm saying? Because if my hand there, might as well get a taste.

[B]

You might. Yeah, you know, I might as well. I might as well stick it somewhere else. I'm sticking in my hand. Like, where'd you put the glasses? When. When did. When did you put the glasses on? I looked away from. I looked away at the chat for two seconds.

[A]

Once I see it. Once I see it.

[B]

I looked at the chat for two seconds and come back to Mila looking like me with these glasses on.

[A]

Once I see it, we go to completion.

[B]

I feel like, why whip it out if I'm only gonna play with it? I'm not here to play. I'm almost 30.

[A]

Almost.

[B]

I'm just like. I'm a grown lady. I'm a grown lady.

[A]

We not. We not. We not about to.

[B]

We.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

No, not. Not solely a hand job. That's, like, ridiculous.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

We gonna.

[A]

We gonna. We gonna. You know what I mean? You know?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

That second puberty gotta hit.

[B]

Then you become even more of a horn dog. Be prepared for that.

[A]

I love it. It's already hit me. I don't. Haven't even turned. It's. It hit me last year, actually. Not gonna lie. Yes.

[B]

Once it gets hard, we gots to see it through. You feel me?

[A]

Once he had attention and, I mean, I Made it through.

[B]

What you finna do with that? Hey, big mama.

[A]

Listen.

[B]

I can't wait.

[A]

To take my new tits out for a ride too. It's gonna be a while till I can really do that. But what I do. Listen, just know I'm going to let you all know. I'm. Maybe we should do like a secret code word to let everybody know. And I got Patreon members.

[B]

Oh, you should come up with a secret code word.

[A]

Jamila just. Jamila just took them new titties out for a test drive. Let's see what could be the code word or code phrase? Because I have to let you guys.

[B]

Know what they should be like nascar. Or like, I feel like now you know the Bay Area song Fast like a nascar. I don't know. I was gonna say if you did like a tick tock to that song, it would be like, so funny.

[A]

So you think I should make a tick tock like saying that. But I feel like y' all be so messy. Y' all gonna be in the comments like, she just got Jamila just, just got titty foot or something crazy.

[B]

And if that is the case, let them think that you know or what's your. Someone said, what's your dream?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Someone said, what's your dream car? That's a good idea. Christina flips make it your dream car.

[A]

My dream car is so be like, Bentley.

[B]

Let's go get in the Bentley. I'm gonna go get in the Bentley, y'. All. I'm gonna go get independently and everyone.

[A]

Will know like, okay, so maybe I can be like, I'm only gonna say it on the podcast. I'm not gonna do a tick tock.

[B]

It's too, too exposed.

[A]

This is for our family. So I' ma just be like, y', all. I, I, I, I finally got a chance to test drive a Bentley. Yeah, something like that. And I can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And speaking. And I'm a speaking code the whole time when I. And y' all have to. You have to honor the code. Anybody honor the code. Okay, so if we're talking about riding in the Bentley, then y' all gotta be like, oh, the Bentley, Bentley. Like, we gotta. You know what I mean? Like, come on, y' all follow. Like, come on, sisters. Like, please let me know that. Like, y' all with me. You know what I'm saying? Like, we got to have our own inside jokes. So that's what I like that. But anyways, we need to spin it.

[B]

All right, guys, this is our segment Spinning now. It's where you send Jamila and I your nasty lowdown gutter snipe disgusting situations for us to put a bit of a PR spin and also give you some advice. Keep in mind, Jamila and I are not PR professionals. We simply just studied communications in undergrad and we really like to talk about this Now. PR is not ethical, so the advice we give you most likely will not be ethical either. Remember, you can always email nhingmoralpodmail.com to send your situations in. Do not forget to include your ages, your race, your sexual orientations, your political affiliations, and if you are a man, you do need to include your height. Jamila, what do we have this week?

[A]

We have a. Not only do we have an update, we have an update. A very recent update from the March mail from Slim and Serpent. Oh, the green. Okay.

[B]

Okay. Oh, that was quick. Yes. Okay.

[A]

Period. Yes. Oh, she's been locked in. Okay, it's kind of long, so I'm gonna get straight to it, y'. All. Hey, ladies, tell me why I was getting ready for work while listening to the Nikki Kunaj episode. And I hear y' all bring up my story time from almost a year ago. Lmao. I was hyped as hell. Unfortunately, I do have an update for y'. All. Let me get right to it. I got that James Earl Jones looking ass the up out of here. We dated From May of 2024 to February of 2020. 2025. For clarification, I reflected on last year's Valentine's weekend. Now a full circle moment. We're on Valentine's Day again. I reflected on last year's Valentine's Day weekend. Now from evolved perspective that his actions were manipulative. I'm sure Serpent spent over a thousand dollars on me from the hotel. Expensive dining at multiple locations. If either of y' all have ever been to Chicago and have experienced the nightlife, it's definitely like that. If, you know, you know, roses, edible arrangements, and even a comedy show. It felt manipulative because he did all that when he knew damn well he had no intentions of making me his woman. I would have been okay or better off at home with my wine, sushi, chocolates, my weed and watch and waited to exhale. Okay, fast forward to around a month later. Sinners came out and we agreed to go see it together. But this had a very different vibe to it. It was my first time seeing him since Valentine's Day weekend and I wasn't in a lovey dovey mood with him like I usually would be. In fact, I was turned off and he started looking ugly to me. Lol. After the movie we had a conversation in his shared vehicle regarding our feelings about our time together. I told him that I'm not going to let a man tell me more than once that he doesn't want me. He expressed that he wanted to say splurge on me the way that he did for Valentine's Day because he thought I deserved it but then admitted that he was that he was thought about. Then admitted that he thought about canceling our plans due to him not feeling the same way that I did. When I tell you that angered me so bad. I'm pretty strong. I'm a pretty strong woman and would have respected him more if he were just honest with me and canceled the damn plans. We eventually came around just waiting to stay cordial and cool with another. Even though the back of my mind I knew that men are not good at being friends with you after a failed romantic connection. Time goes by and I had moments of sadness because this guy has such a strong approach in the beginning saying that he wanted to court me but ended up having no real follow through in the end. Around this time I started going back to see my own my own therapist and processing these events with her. I remember telling I remember her telling me that sounds like a lot of people. Sounds like a people pleaser and change. Okay, sounds like a people pleaser and challenge his actions. Is it in your genuine character to do good things for people? Or do you just please or do you just people please because you lack confidence in honoring your feelings? By this point, I accepted that this man is just not the man for me. Not aligned and not even secure and confident within himself. I grew resentful towards him. I'm not the kind of woman to send paragraphs. I just exited stage.

[B]

I know that's right.

[A]

Oh, but this time I felt it was necessary to give him a Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 8 Nasty read for his ass. The screenshots are attached if you want to read lmao. He needed to feel my wrath because I am just tired of niggas who say they want something knowing well they're not ready for it, just loud lying to me and lying to themselves. To wrap this up. I'm doing just fine now, still thriving and striving in my career as a therapist and I do turn 31 this year in August. Shout out to the Leos. I took several months away from dating until November of last year when I met someone who was five years older. He's fine Got his own crib, car, dog, and is nerdy as which I love. My best friend said he looks like Boris. We've been dating ever since. But this time, I am navigating this experience by using the advice y' all shared about voicing my needs and wants. Holding space for this man to tell me where he's at and then decide there if I'm okay with it or not. Either way, life has got to move on and show and the show don't stop a nan. The pressure of marriage and children has definitely weaned off. It has definitely. It was definitely societal pressure and a biological clock thing. As I was approaching 30 at the time. I've been approaching dating with my boundaries and God center, and I feel like I'm doing a good job. Even therapists don't have all the answers, and we're all a work in progress. Marriage and children will happen for me when it's my turn. And I'm actually okay if one or both doesn't end up happening. Thank you guys for the advice and much love to. That was so good.

[B]

And the fact that she followed up right the week. Like we're being timely. Did you see one of the comments was like, y' all shouldn't be reading from a year ago. Thank you, girl. Cause you got us looking good, y'.

[A]

All. We gonna read whatever the hell we feel like reading. When we gonna go read it Timely? We're not gonna. No stone left unturned.

[B]

Okay. That's an amazing update.

[A]

So good and juicy. Oh, and she's cute, too. Should I show her picture? She sent it. I don't know if she wants me to send it, though. I'm gonna just say that I'm gonna look at it. First of all. First of all, she changed the name in to small dick because she sent us a message. She sent us the message paragraph. So I'm gonna read that to y' all because she read him. So I want to read what she said. You're not the genuine person you think you are. There's not enough mature conversations that can compensate you. That can compensate you for. For your. The what? Definite enough. What.

[B]

Jamila?

[A]

Am I illiterate? A little bit. You. You always knew my worth. Especially when you first approached me. It's not even my confidence overshadows your instincts insecurities as a man. But it's rather the fact that after everything we've shared between us, you couldn't even be a good friend. Which was a test, by the way. And yet again, I'm the One who has proven that being friends with a man after a failed situation that could barely make it past the courting stage is kind of propaganda that no woman should ever fall for. I know myself, and I know I'm never the problem when it comes to you. To take it a step further, my face card alone could have rebranded your entire lineage. You ate that? You're. You're equivalent to a background character in an insurance commercial. My presence upgraded you n learn.

[B]

Background characters come out.

[A]

Insurance commercial is crazy. Learn something from this. You want to really work on something? Why don't you try scheduling a session with your boy Daryl so he can help you unpack. Why you're such a coward and a fucking liar. Oh, using I'm working on myself as an excuse when all you're really doing is running, hoping that no one notices how. Hold on. I had to switch over.

[B]

So where'd it go? Damn.

[A]

Hold on, y'. All.

[B]

Damn. Where'd it go? I hate when you do that with long ass messages and you gotta like scroll.

[A]

I know, right? I. I think she kind of missed a piece too, actually hoping no one notices.

[B]

How?

[A]

I don't know. Anyways, I'm going to just skip to the next line because I think she missed a little piece. You always knew my worth. Especially when you first approached me.

[B]

Oh, wait, yeah, you did.

[A]

Did I read that already? Oh, it's all the way at the bottom.

[B]

You scrolled and it probably is done.

[A]

I thought it was a whole. I thought this was a whole other like, read, but it was just a little mini piece. Okay, let me see. Damn.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

I up the read, y'. All.

[B]

Damn, where'd it go?

[A]

Okay, using I'm working on myself as an excuse when all you're really doing is running and hoping no one notices how unremarkable you truly are. Happy Pride. Fuck, nigga.

[B]

Happy Pride as an be who you are for your wishing him happy pride is crazy. Wait, the Maddie reference? The T.S. madison sister.

[A]

Damn. Now, sister, can I be honest? You should not have sent that. Only because it give you so care. You so, so care. You so, so care that don't give a about nothing you just said, but you know what I'm saying.

[B]

If it makes. Sometimes it's really not about that.

[A]

Sometimes you really just got. Sometimes you really got to get that off.

[B]

Who tries not to? I don't. I do not, not really do follow up text. But sometimes, like she said, I felt like I need to tell you about yourself and it's not for you. This is for me. I got to get this off. Like you know, they don't care.

[A]

Yeah, I definitely.

[B]

Because she, he needed, she needed to say he was the background character in an insurance commercial. She had to get that off.

[A]

You had to get that off. You had to get that off. And, and for that alone, I get you. I, I hope that you never go backwards though, because if you go backwards to a like that after you said all of that.

[B]

She got that new man though. She's not gonna go back. She got a new man.

[A]

But I was gonna say you got you a, a bald headed Boris Kojo who's five years older, who has his own house, own car. All the things I N D E P, you know what I'm saying? You, you got you a new. You know what I'm saying? You're back in therapy. Life is good. It is what it's supposed to be like. I'm living for this update and something.

[B]

I can really Christina flip said I'm simple. I just say go die.

[A]

God damn. Something I really can relate to in this letter is when you said, you know, you was just getting so fed.

[B]

Up that oh, I saw someone in the chat say I love when they get ugly. And I was waiting to say this until after the letter. I also love when they get ugly. It's amazing.

[A]

There's nothing you can do for me once you're ugly.

[B]

Also I will, I don't know if anyone else is like this. I will know A is not good for me, but I'll still like him. I will keep letting a like with me till he gets ugly to me. Because the thing about it is if you leave A, a lot of y' all have willpower. I have to be tricking myself. If you leave a while you still think he's fly, there's a chance that you could double back. If you. If he gets ugly to you though, then it's like for me, at least once he's ugly, I'm not going back. So I do like to wait until it gets ugly.

[A]

I cannot relate only because there are some that did me dirty that are still fine as.

[B]

Oh really? No, I, I mean for sure. Here's the thing.

[A]

Oh, for sure, for sure, for sure.

[B]

They're fine. Logically, you know, they're fine. But once someone does something to you so like detrimental, it's like I'd be an idiot to with you again.

[A]

Yes, but they don't ugly you does.

[B]

Not mean so for me it's more of like the feeling of like non attachment.

[A]

But what it so Let me explain my explanation then, because I don't think we have the same thought process about this then, because if in order for you to turn ugly, you, you couldn't have, you didn't start out fine, I can tell you that you didn't start off on. You was already kind of like I was letting you slide because you had other attributes that I, like, made up for it that made you more attractive to me. And then, like, that wore off, and then I really start to look at you deeper. Like, I really start to, like, stare at your face and, like, I'll start to, like, get disgusted with how your, your actual face looks. Like, no, like, you'll actually become, like, ugly. It's kind of like when Eve ate the apple and they noticed that they were naked. Like, oh, my God, you're naked. Like, that's how I. It's like that, Like, I ate the apple and all of a sudden you're.

[B]

Meaning, like, what the fuck?

[A]

You're ugly as shit.

[B]

You're literally ugly ugly. I mean, literally about literally.

[A]

But, like, there are, there are boys that, like, I've dated, had situations with, or had whatever with that, you know, I already told y' all my standard. I do like a fine man. They still do be fine as. And I still be like, yeah, I would never with them again for sure, because it's just like your character. You know what I mean? Like, no, like, you're not, you're not a good, good person. But yeah, I'm more so talking about.

[B]

Like, an aura or like, your insides. Like, okay, when I say someone becomes ugly to me, I'm no longer attracted to you in the way of, like, I want to you, per se. It's like, I still am looking at you and, like, nah, you're fine. Like, perfect example if someone who's, who's fine in the media, Damson Idris, like, he's fine. As if he dogged me out, he would still be fine as. It would just be like, well, I don't want to with you again. Like, you're ugly to be. Because you dogged me out. Like, I'm not saying you're ugly in the face. Like, you're obviously not, but that's why I was saying I like to talk to people. Or, like, wait till I'm not attached no more. Because once that attachment happens and you become ugly to me, then it's like, I'm not gonna double back on that. I, I, to this day, I mean.

[A]

I guess I just reserve that first.

[B]

I mean, I don't spirit be ugly as. Yeah, like I don't think think no one I with is like, ugly. Like, I don't with people I'm not physically attracted to. That's like a big rule of mine. Like, I if, if I think you're ugly, we're not to begin with. So, like, that's not technically what I'm saying.

[A]

Type.

[B]

Well, I would say let's do another spin it, but it's already been an hour and 20 minutes, so.

[A]

Yeah, we kind of like dragged it. Oh, I think I just accidentally opened another one.

[B]

Save it.

[A]

Yeah, but it's like opened. I'll just have to remember to do it.

[B]

But yeah, this was good. I love having the chat. I love an update. We love the chat. Don't forget to listen to Unhinged Immoral every Thursday wherever you listen to your podcast. I know we've been having some issues with Spotify. We recently reached out to them and try and figure out why it's not uploading. So for all of our Spotify users, thanks for being patient with us. We obviously recorded today on Tuesday, but for our screw crew and our Patreon, AKA our Patreon subscribers, if you're interested in keeping up with us and being involved during the episodes, we film every Monday, 11am Eastern Standard Time, 10am Central. So if you have the time on a Monday around 11am or 10am Tap in with us. We love you guys to be active in the chat. Do we have any other updates?

[A]

We will be having your favorite fitness yeller on the Internet who has told y' all you're out of hand. You, big back are out of hand. He is the hater of all things fun and tasty.

[B]

D' Angelo on this week's episode of Sidebar. So we'll be interviewing him on Thursday and dropping that episode in Patreon on Friday. I'm definitely gonna ask. I'm gonna have to cuss him out for making yams and fucking ground beef popular like you and your petite ass. Okay, this should be fun.

[A]

We're gonna be very petite. We're gonna be chatting with him on Thursday. So on Thursday we're gonna go live on Tick Tock and kind of like, of course, do a little promo for the episode, this episode that's gonna be dropping on Thursday. But then we're also going to be like polling questions. So if you have a specific question that actually, by the time you see no Yay. Because this drops on Thursday. I'm trying to talk to the chat and to the people I'm confused, y'. All. It's so new. But anyways, yeah, so we're gonna go live Thursday. I don't know exactly what time yet, but if you want to pop into our Tick Tock Live and submit your questions that you want to ask d', Angelo, send it to us, and we will do just that.

[B]

Okay, well, this has been another episode of Unhinged Immoral. Thanks for listening, guys. See you next week. And shout out to the Scrooge Crew. Shout out to this chat.

[A]

Yes. Okay. The search. I already knew I was gonna ask that. We'll ask that during. During his. During his episode.

[B]

Oh, it's still live. I'm so missed. Done. Did the recording.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why? Why'd Jamila want to. Every man, y'. All. D', Angelo, Deontay, who else they try and put you with? Lou put you with everybody. Just loosen the cat.

[A]

So, yeah, we'll talk about that there, but thanks for joining our live chat. We'll try to figure all the things out a little bit more cohesive so that we can actually say Y. I think. I think we said y' all names a little bit, but just want to get a little bit better so that it kind of flows better. But thanks for, like, chilling with us.

[B]

This was so much fun.

[A]

Um, pop into the Tick Tock Live and all the things. And, yeah, tell your friends to sign up for Patreon. Bye.