Can I Get an Encore?

Summary

Unhinged & Immoral - Episode: "Can I Get an Encore?"

Release Date: July 18, 2025

In this vibrant and engaging episode of Unhinged & Immoral, hosts Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans delve deep into their unforgettable concert experiences, share heartfelt advice during their interactive segment, and engage with their lively community. Here's a detailed summary capturing all the key moments, insights, and memorable exchanges from the episode.

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1. Concert Experiences

A. Beyoncé Concerts

Jamila and Mecca enthusiastically recount their experiences attending Beyoncé's electrifying performances in Atlanta and Houston. They highlight the meticulous production quality, innovative stage setups, and Beyoncé's unparalleled dedication to delivering a flawless show.

• Jamila shares her awe after witnessing Beyoncé's Atlanta show:

  "I have never heard a stadium that loud. We were so loud we could barely hear her sometimes. It was crazy." (01:40)

• Mecca praises the scientific precision behind Beyoncé's concert design:

  "The way she has herself blasted and positioned, she's really got it down to a science." (02:21)

The hosts emphasize Beyoncé's ability to connect with every audience member, ensuring that regardless of seating, everyone enjoys an amazing show.

• Jamila reflects on Beyoncé's attention to detail:

  "She thought about every person sitting there... you are going to see an amazing show." (05:15)

They also delve into the complexities of Beyoncé's security measures, commending Julius—Beyoncé's head of security—for his strategic role in ensuring a safe and seamless concert experience.

B. Other Favorite Concerts

Expanding beyond Beyoncé, Jamila and Mecca reminisce about other concerts that have left a significant impact on them.

• Jill Scott:

  "Jill puts on the show, from the musicianship to also the way she rearranges her music, I really enjoy that." (17:06)

• Kirk Franklin:

  "Kirk Franklin is genuinely, genuinely top 10 artists of all time. He is." (16:00)

• Usher:

  "I accidentally got too fucked up at the Usher concert. That's how happy I was." (45:06)

They appreciate the storytelling, energy, and unique dynamics each artist brings to their performances, highlighting how these experiences have shaped their appreciation for live music.

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2. Changes in Concert Culture

Jamila and Mecca discuss the evolving landscape of live performances, noting the decline of traditional encores and increased security measures at major venues.

• Jamila laments the rarity of encores:

  "Artists don't do encores anymore... I would love to experience that." (69:30)

• Mecca concurs, sharing her desire to relive those spontaneous moments of artists returning to the stage:

  "I want to fucking encore." (71:06)

They acknowledge the necessity of heightened security but express nostalgia for the more interactive and unguarded concerts of the past, where fans could engage directly with their favorite artists.

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3. "Spin it" Segment: Listener's Relationship Drama

In the interactive segment Spin it, listener Anthony shares a heartfelt dilemma about his open relationship. Anthony, a 26-year-old gay Black man, finds himself developing feelings for a coworker named "Closet," leading him to question the future of his current relationship.

• Anthony's Story Highlights:
  • Feeling unfulfilled in his current relationship despite its longevity and openness.
  • Developing emotional and physical tension with a coworker.
  • Concerns about leaving his boyfriend and pursuing a new connection with Closet.

Hosts' Advice

• Mecca urges Anthony to prioritize his happiness:

  "I think you should leave your boyfriend though." (78:02)

• Jamila emphasizes recognizing when a relationship no longer serves one's well-being:

  "If you feel like they are not compatible... then you are not forced to be with them just because they're nice." (78:02)

Together, they advise Anthony to reflect on his true feelings and make decisions that align with his personal happiness, rather than staying in a relationship out of comfort or obligation.

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4. Community Engagement: Listener Comments

The hosts engage with their audience by reading and reacting to listener comments, showcasing the community's vibrant interaction with the show.

• Hotgalmia9393 reflects on a relatable household experience:

  "My mama used to get so mad when I would dry my hands with the towel hanging in the bathroom. Those are for decoration." (93:05)

• Karan09 humorously suggests clipping certain parts of the episode to go viral:

  "This episode was especially unhinged and particularly immoral, but I loved every minute." (93:26)

• Monique Malcolm 11 shares a humorous observation about Beyoncé at the Grammys:

  "I heard my name and looked around like Beyoncé at the Grammys." (93:57)

These interactions illustrate the show's influence and the strong connection Jamila and Mecca have with their listeners.

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5. Announcements and Future Plans

Towards the end of the episode, Jamila and Mecca share exciting news about their upcoming events and introduce their new intern, Aria.

• Upcoming Appearances:

  • Speaking at the National Urban League Conference in Ohio.
  • Visiting Los Angeles at the end of July.

• Introducing Aria:

  "She will be doing all the intern things. Super excited to have her join the team." (96:28)

They encourage listeners to support Black American organizations and promote their merchandise, fostering a sense of community and continuous engagement.

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Notable Quotes

• "Beyoncé, you put on a hell of a show, girl." — Jamila (04:42)
• "Kirk Franklin is genuinely, genuinely top 10 artists of all time. He is." — Jamila (16:00)
• "I think you should leave your boyfriend though." — Mecca (78:02)

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Conclusion

This episode of Unhinged & Immoral offers a rich tapestry of personal anecdotes, in-depth discussions on concert culture, and meaningful advice to listeners navigating their relationships. Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans continue to create a space where pop culture meets genuine conversation, all while fostering a supportive and engaged community.

Stay tuned for more unfiltered fun and insightful discussions every Thursday!

Transcript

[Jamila]

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[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

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[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

And I am Mecca.

[Jamila]

Wow. If you're listening and thinking, is that Toni Braxton? No, it's just Jameela off of Two Days of Beyonce. Back to back, back to fucking back. And my, oh my, did we get the fucking show?

[Mecca]

I don't want to talk about it. I don't go till tonight.

[Jamila]

I'm so blessed. One thing about Beyonce, she does love Atlanta. Even though my sister is from Texas, like me as well, she gives Atlanta a different show. And honestly, I think it's because the audience. When I tell you I've never in my life heard a stadium that loud. And I've been to the Mercedes Benz plenty of times. I have never heard that. We were so loud we could barely hear her sometimes. It was crazy.

[Mecca]

I'm really excited because I'm in Club Hoedown. So I already went in Houston and I have regular seats and shit. Even if you got regular seats, At a Beyonce concert. The way she has herself blasted and positioned, she's really got it down to a science. You could be really up in nosebleeds and have a good, decent view, be able to see what's going on.

[Jamila]

So.

[Mecca]

So I was, like, maybe one level up at nrg, and then for this one, we're in Club Hoedown. Alexis went with y' all last night, but this tonight is gonna be her back to back, so she's going into the Monday show. I'm excited because the night I went in Houston was the night after she tried to kill herself.

[Jamila]

You didn't get 16, so. I didn't.

[Mecca]

I did. We did not get 16 characters or the. Or the last two. And I knew 16 characters was one.

[Jamila]

Well, you got amen. It was just so 16 characters in the amen. That was the last two.

[Mecca]

Okay. But we got. I feel like she definitely did more renaissance. I know she does a lot of renaissance, but she made up for it. She, like. We got. It felt like renaissance mixed with cowboy, if that makes sense. She completely remixed our show somewhat.

[Jamila]

Yeah, we. So for reference, my first show was opening night of Atlanta. We were in Club hold down, and let me just say, that was my first floor experience of, like, a major artist.

[Mecca]

I'm so excited. I've never been on the floor for, like, any artist.

[Jamila]

It was. I was so gagged. Like, seeing her that close in person, not natural. I've never.

[Mecca]

I never meant to be that close to her, actually. No. Cause I was at the super bowl show, and I was in the my house section. We held up in my house. The difference here was I was looking at her back, but I was very close to her, and I did. I remember being like, I can't. Like, if this music wasn't on and I screamed her name, she would be able to turn around because she would heard me.

[Jamila]

Absolutely heard me. I know. You hurt me, Beyonce. That was me. Beyonce. That was me. I kept screaming her name, and I know she was like, all right, bitch. Sorry.

[Mecca]

Well, that one show where they were fighting. Yeah, that was the show.

[Jamila]

Oh, really?

[Mecca]

And she was acting like she couldn't see it. I was like, I love her so bad.

[Jamila]

I don't know where exactly they were, but I know that they were on the floor fighting. And I was like, ah, very Atlanta.

[Mecca]

Well, I'm excited. I have a comfy cousin Houston. I knew I was gonna be sitting down, so I wore.

[Jamila]

Yeah, that wasn't yesterday. We were in the mind, you guys. We were in the 300 section nosebleeds. Me and not me and Mecca Child. Me and Sydney were just saying, like, oh, my God. Like, as soon as we sat down, we were like, these were great seats. We've never been that high in the Mercedes Benz. Every time we go to Mercedes, we go to 100 level. It was so amazing up there. We saw. We didn't get to see all of the hoopla because we were down so low next to her. Touching her hand, you know, she grabbed my hand. She grabbed my hand.

[Mecca]

Oh, my God, can I touch it, period?

[Jamila]

Is there evidence?

[Mecca]

No, it doesn't need to be.

[Jamila]

She looked at me, Beyonce said, and I looked right back. I love her dearly. Beyonce, you put on a hell of a show, girl. But yeah, so we were up so high and we were kind of worried. Cause like I said, every time we go to Mercedes, we're usually in the hundred section. Liz was unlike us. We were acting besides ourselves. But hey, we didn't have all that $900 to spend a second time. So we got up there and we were like, oh, bitch, this is amazing.

[Mecca]

No, I always sit. I don't know what numbers they are in nrg, but if I'm looking at like the blueprint when. Cause I go to Kurt Franklin and the Family concert, like every year. So I always actually prefer to get the second level balcony. And it could be a myriad of rose. But I feel like, yeah, you're looking directly down. You can see the entire stage. I prefer that. So I'm saying this is my first time gonna be on the stage. I know I'm gonna be more like this up. So my view, my vantage point is gonna be a little bit different than I'm used to. But I really like. I like being even at church. I sit in the balcony at church. Cause you can look down and see. I like sitting up at the top.

[Jamila]

Yeah, it was really nice. And what I will say, you know, I'm gonna always take a moment to give Beyonce her flowers because. Cause that is my mother. I think it's so dope how she thought about every person sitting there. Because no matter where you sat, unless you had an obstructive view, which you can't help that unless you had an obstructive view, you are going to see an amazing show. There was so much thought put into the show between the visuals, the lights, the bracelets. I didn't even get to see the full shebang until yesterday. How the bracelets were tied.

[Mecca]

The bracelets were. Wait, hold on. Let me tell you something. The bracelets was an excellent touch. And somebody else did bracelets. Maybe it was. No, no, no. They didn't do bracelets. They had us turn our lights on, the phone on. Kurt Franklin had us turn everyone's phone lights on. So I've seen what individual lights light up looks like in a balcony. But the bracelets having their mind of their own was so good.

[Jamila]

I was like, yeah, so good. I love the craftsmanship of a tour. That's something I look at because I'm just a little nerd. And I like to look at the people running around on the stage grabbing things and putting them in place. I'm like, look at you. Look at you running while it's in the dark. And I'm looking at you, you're running across the stage grabbing that fan to pull it closer to her. Because you know she's gonna be center stage right now. You know she needs that fan. Cause she gets hot. Yeah. I appreciate those little details.

[Mecca]

After reading the matriarch and learning that Miss Tina was in her own singing group and Miss Tina and her grandma Agnes helped them make the costumes and when Ms. Tina obviously went on to make the costumes for Destiny's Child and from Miss Tina's girl group to Destiny's Child to you see it with Beyonce now, Tina was so cognizant of making things that are flashy that someone could see from the way back. That's like their. That's her main thing with their costume. Even looking at Beyonce's costumes now, 30 years later, you can still see that, like, every costume is sparkly. Every costume's bold and bold. And it's. Even if you're sitting way back, you can still see her and what she has on. I'm like, ugh.

[Jamila]

And that's so artistic. And there was a point in the show, it was right before Daughter, where you know, there's visuals and it flashes on screen. And it was the perfect encapsulation of what exactly we're watching. It said, this is theater. I said, yes, this is a full on production. That Beyonce, which it's so hard to do because she's Beyonce, but Beyonce makes it to where she is, not selfishly the only star of the show. Everybody gets their moment. And I so appreciate that because to put on such a big show like that, there's so many people involved. Like, whenever the musicians have their solos, they're on the big screen. Whenever the dancers have their solos, they're on the big screen. That's a set of twins. Hello. Let twins. Hey, y'. All. Like, everybody gets their moment. And it was just like. And it was really like watching a symphony orchestra play. Because when I tell you, timing has to be exact, because everything is on timers. Like, the lights, the tech that has to go into that. Like, my mind is boggled. I would love a documentary. I know she did one for Renaissance, but I want one specifically. Specifically just creating this tour and how all of it came to be. Because it's like, I'm amazed.

[Mecca]

Like, you know, them NDAs are on clad. But I do think as she starts to slow down, obviously we're gonna start. And, you know, NDAs run their course. We're gonna start getting a lot of documentaries and a lot of tidbits from the people who work behind the scenes. And I'm not talking about tea and gossip. I'm talking about, this is what it took to put this production on. This is what I did. This is what. And I'm looking forward to that piece.

[Jamila]

Because, again, and she might give it twist herself.

[Mecca]

I mean, she might.

[Jamila]

She's such an archivist and historian of herself that on her own time.

[Mecca]

No, I'm saying it's on her time.

[Jamila]

You'll simply have to wait. And it's going to be so good and detailed. And I like that she just. She lets us know that, you know, it's. I'm doing this. Like, she's recording every single thing. Because even when we saw the Renaissance movie, for the moment, we did. Even though we don't have it now, I would like it mother. I have a feeling that this has always been my guess. My estimation, after we get Act 3, which I do believe is rock, it's obviously rock.

[Mecca]

It's obviously rock.

[Jamila]

I mean, you know, I'm finna cut the fuck up. I live for rock and roll. But after her trilogy is complete, I do think we're gonna get a movie of some sort that kind of encapsulates the entire trilogy. But I also think we're gonna get a really good documentary from her.

[Mecca]

Cause her last documentary was good.

[Jamila]

It was so long ago. Life is but a dream.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say that was when Blue was first born.

[Jamila]

I'm hungry.

[Mecca]

I like it. You know, I just watched my mom, Jane Marisca Hargitay. Girl, that shit was good.

[Jamila]

I heard that was good.

[Mecca]

It was actually. Not that I didn't think it was gonna be good because it's fucking Olivia Benson, but. But Jayne Mansfield, another archivist of herself.

[Jamila]

Like, the way her parents died and stuff. Like, I'm just like, damn, bitch.

[Mecca]

Now that we're talking about archiving. They have a family storage unit. And Jane archived her mom meticulously every. And Obviously in the 50s, this was so much harder. Every newspaper she was in, she had books and laminated and laminate. Obviously, now they're kind of crumbling, but, I mean, just the time that Jayne Mansfield herself took to archive herself. They have file drawers full of pictures of them as kids. It's insane. Like, they have a hole. That storage unit looks like an apartment. And they were going through it. They had. And mind you, she was talking about they hadn't been there since she died. Mind you, Mariska is 60, and her mom died when she was three. So this shit has been sitting here. Obviously, they have maintenance on it, but no one's gone through it. She found her mom's Golden Globe. Her siblings were like, put it next to yours.

[Jamila]

Hello.

[Mecca]

I was. I. I was.

[Jamila]

Boohoo.

[Mecca]

Crying gag her. Jane Mansfield has a daughter. She has as a teenager. So her oldest sister was 17 when her mom died. So obviously she got to live her whole life with her mom. So Mariska made a whole photo album for her oldest sister of like, her mom was like. It was like. It was so good. So I'm just saying, like, to know that Beyonce. To know that Jayne Manfield was able to do that in the 60s of herself, I can only imagine what Beyonce has. But I know it's big. I know Beyonce has multiple storage units the size of homes because Ms. Tina said in the matriarch that her very first car is still somewhere in storage. Oh, why are you keeping your. And mind you, that's the only car she's ever.

[Jamila]

She's such a hoarder. I love her.

[Mecca]

Yeah. That's the only car she's ever had. She doesn't like to drive. She doesn't drive. So it's like, why are you keeping that car? Just because. So they want to.

[Jamila]

A momentum. And that's just what it's supposed to be. What. Outside of Beyonce. Because I think we have to. What has been your favorite concert?

[Mecca]

Like Art Street Rise. Because I feel like that's what we're talking about. I think the very first. Well, hold on. The very first Kirk Franklin. The family concert I went to was really well done. I loved. I said this in the moment and during the second one, the way the Clark sisters. First of all, black women in Detroit hair gonna be la.

[Jamila]

Oh, I know they're gonna be laid, baby. I know them things was crisp, but.

[Mecca]

That they're another group. And that's why I Love that. Solange and Beyonce. I always give the Clark sisters their flowers. And then obviously, as people who grew up in church, they're, like, heavily involved in, like, our lives in terms of the music that we listen to and are influenced by costuming down even. What I loved was their costumes were so fun. Even though they're older. They weren't like. But they're Kojic. So it's like that culture in terms of dressing is so different. It's very niche.

[Jamila]

You have.

[Mecca]

No, no. So they. And they reflect that while also still being somewhat mainstream. So, like, they had these hats that weren't the bubble kojik hats, but they were the slick. But they were still hats nonetheless. And they were caulked to the side. It was so good. I love their. They had their hair laid. Ms. Karen had pink, like, highlights in her hair. And I just remember being like. And they be trying to tell y', all that's of the devil. And look at her on stage with some pink in her hair. Look, look. A fine outfit.

[Jamila]

And I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna get to that. Let me answer mine first before I get to the.

[Mecca]

But I just thought. I thought. And Kirk Franklin think he motherfucking Michael Jackson. He really do. He was moonwalking and dancing. All the costuming. I liked how Kirk Franklin. And then I like how they divided up, like, the first tour. David Mann did a comedy set in the middle of the tour. And it was very, like. I like when tours are very well thought out and well done and catering to the audience who came to see it. Because obviously you got a bunch of church people who. If you're coming to see Kirk Franklin, you don't have a stick up your ass. Or you were at least raised with, like, hip hop inclusive of, like, gospel and even David Manning. He said. And I know they gonna want me to say this, but, nigga. And that's how he ended his set. And everyone was like. It was like. It was just really well thought out and well done and hit all the points.

[Jamila]

Okay. Period. I definitely wanted to go to the Kirk Franklin concert. I just wanted everyone there to be like me. I didn't feel like being around too much. Churchy. Churchy.

[Mecca]

No, it really. And that's what I'm. And that. Okay. That's what I was trying to say. That's the concert that Kev was drinking at. And they was mad.

[Jamila]

And that would be me.

[Mecca]

And. No, I was drunk. Me and Elantra pregamed. We were. I was off. I was. I Was off. I was drunk as hell. They was.

[Jamila]

I might fall in.

[Mecca]

Twerk. Well, it wasn't. It was. I can't say I didn't.

[Jamila]

My bad.

[Mecca]

It was just churchy enough without being like, if you're not a super duper church person, then you would have still enjoyed it. But they did have, you know, obviously those moments of if you do be in church, where it's like, ah, catch it. And if it's not for you, it's not for you to catch the Easter egg. But it was definitely something you could have went to if you enjoy that type of music or even have knowledge of it.

[Jamila]

I love Kirkbring. I always say this. I think Kirk Franklin is genuinely, genuinely top 10 artists of all time. He is.

[Mecca]

He doesn't get enough credit for it.

[Jamila]

He is so incredibly talented. Because what people don't realize. And this was the funny thing, I seen somebody tweet, they were like, genuinely asking, why is it always called a Kirk Franklin song when he's not the one singing? I was like, ah, my time to shine, y'.

[Mecca]

All.

[Jamila]

Kirk Franklin is writing those songs and composing.

[Mecca]

He composes those songs.

[Jamila]

Composing, y'. All. Like, composing.

[Mecca]

Real composing.

[Jamila]

Producing, composing, writing, playing instruments, like, getting.

[Mecca]

Voice together, hand picking.

[Jamila]

That is a very difficult thing to do. Like, yeah, he gonna put his song. He gonna put that name on that song. Yeah, like, he did that. So, yeah, I definitely love Kirk Franklin. Love the Clarkson. I love gospel music, which is, you know, funny enough, but I do.

[Mecca]

No, a lot of black people who don't necessarily go to church anymore still love gospel music. Genre of music, that cannot be denied. Regardless of, like, your religious, you know, takes. It's good music.

[Jamila]

It's good. And the harmony.

[Mecca]

The motherfuckers can sing.

[Jamila]

They sing better than everybody else.

[Mecca]

They sing because you have. Because when you're singing live in church every Sunday, you can't fake the funk you actually do have.

[Jamila]

They don't have no dookity dookities in church.

[Mecca]

And let me. I say this all the time. The reason why I don't like to go to sir. I don't go to everyone's concerts. I'm not spending my money on everyone. But because I go to a church, I go to Wheeler in Houston, where regular people get up there twice every week and blow and sing. And it's. The mics are on, and they're actually. They're screaming into the mics. They need to turn the mics down sometimes. So it's like, no, sza. I'm not paying to Watch you lip sync, and that's no shade. I just really, really don't want to watch anyone lip sync. I just know SZA is known for that at this point. Who else is someone? So it doesn't seem like I'm can't.

[Jamila]

Let me answer this question before you get too busy. My favorite concerts that I've attended outside of Beyonce, I'm going to give it to two people. Jill Scott. If you know, you know my top five artists, I love her to pieces. Like, I just love her. She's one of my favorites. But also her. Her shows are just really fucking good. Like, Jill puts on the show, from the musicianship to also the way she rearranges her music, I really enjoy that because she gets down. She is a vocalist truly. Her background singers sing very well, and she just really takes you through the performance. And she's kind of one of those people that's a little. Kind of on the niche side. So she's going to give you those deep cuts that you want to hear, and you just feel so fed when you leave. Like, if you're a Jill Scott fan and you go to her show, you are gonna leave being like, oh, she shut it down. Like, it was just everything. And then the other person, not that it shocked me, but it kind of shocked me, was actually Tizo Touchdown. I had a fucking blast at that show. I was front row on the floor. We locked eyes to Tizo. But also, I really enjoy his music, of course. But what I really enjoyed is that he was on a smaller scale. So he was in a. I can't remember the exact venue he was at, but it was at the underground. So, you know, the smaller stages that people are coming up in. So it's like all floor and then you have, like, the balcony. So it's not a lot of. Like, it's not the Mercedes Benz. Right. But what I notice a lot of times is sometimes when artists are still coming up and they have those smaller venues and, you know, it's. You can only do but so much, and I respect that. And I know that you have to, you know, give them grace, because, bitch, they can't give you Beyonce at the tabernacle. They just can't. Right? But the. What he was able to do with such a small scale was just really dope. Like, he really paid attention to the storytelling element because he didn't have a full band, a full. All of this. It was just him, that background screen and his audience, and him taking us through the story of his career. It was so it was so good and it was hype as fuck. Everybody in there was screaming, having a good time, like he's a really good performer and it was like looking at a glimpse of what could be. And I know that giving him those resources, giving him all those things, it would just eat like. I would love to see him with bigger budgets, bigger stages and more equipment because I know it would be just everything. It was so a good show.

[Mecca]

We're going to take a break.

[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

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[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

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[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

You know who surprised me at essence?

[Jamila]

Who?

[Mecca]

I don't know his name, but the young man who sings Trip Out. If we do it, I'm a trip out. He had his little choreo together and he was like I'm going to come down to the crowd. And when he brought his grandma out and he was very engaging. I'm only bringing him up because obviously that's kind of what you're describing on such a smaller scale. And me and Jamila were really only stopping through but he happened to be performing and I think a lot of times with rappers, specifically I'm talking about rappers and the boys, not the girls, the boys. They just want to sit there and.

[Jamila]

I love when people Take the opportunity to engage, especially on such a small scale. And that's not to talk shit about it, because a. A smaller scale is not a bad thing. Like, you're at Essence. Like, nigga, that's. You're performing your Essence. Yeah, you got it. It's just more so, you know, in reference. Like, you're the beginning of your career. Like, that's where it matters, though. And that's where you build fans. And being in artist development and management. Now what you really learn is that, like, that's actually what's way more important than when you get there. Because you wouldn't get to Beyonce if it wasn't for Beyonce being in that.

[Mecca]

Mall performing in the Fiesta parking lot.

[Jamila]

That would not happen. You have to really learn how to curate an audience. And the same goes for all career fields in this entertainment. Like, look at us right here. We can't be on Essence Stage having people come and listen to us speak without paying attention to our comment section of a video that got 1000 views some years ago. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's lessons in all of that. Like, you. A lot of people want the big stuff. They want the big crowd, the big audience, the big dollars. But if you don't cultivate the small fan base you have now, the ones who are down for you, you will never get there. Like, you really have to represent them. Like, it's a million people. And I try my best to still, like, interact with my comments as much as I can. Even though I post way more and I have a way more influx of comments and likes or views and stuff like that, I try to still interact with them because it's like, damn, you know, y' all are watching my videos, responding in them, sharing them, and that is what's building up the platform.

[Mecca]

Made a video about this. Like, I just. I was talking about how when you're building your platform, because obviously, like, I'm trying to grow on YouTube again, this is the most important time it's on, and it's the most fun time for you, because you can really, when you're in the beginning stages, especially with, like, yapping. And if your commentary is your lane, you can say what you want because not as many people are watching, so it's not as much pushback. That's number one. The people who engage with you are truly engaging with you because they like your content. Those are the people who's gonna be like, I was following her before she blew up. Da da. And those are the people that those you need to remember to those abvies. Go, go. I'm serious. When we was in Dallas and it was a girl. I'm not gonna say her name, but she has been following me for years. I mean, like, probably since the beginning of my TikTok. And when I recognized her and I said, hey, girl. She was shocked. Like, she was like, oh, my God, you know me. I said, you've been commenting on my videos for five years. Every single video. And your picture is your. And your face is your. Abby, of course I know who you are. And you don't want to underestimate how important those exact interactions are. She was already commenting, but now it's that added level of loyalty because you recognize me as a human being. You recognized me on the streets and said, hey, the. Thank you for your support. And I do think that sometime with social media, from what I've seen from influencers and content creators, you look past that and then that's how you get the blowback of, oh, she's an asshole. She's a bitch. Like, it is important to build meaningful connections on the ground floor.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Because we don't have a typical job. You know, like, if you work at a company, you know, you're able to leave work there and go home. And then kind of disconnect versus our work follows us and is all around us. But not only that. We only work because we have a fan base. And so it's like, that has to be at the forefront of my mind. So I try to make sure, like, anybody who comes up and speak to me, I speak back. Anybody who wants. If you ever ask me for a picture, I've never said no. Like, because I. I just feel like, damn. The fact that you even want to take a picture of me is a gag. So, hell, yeah, we can come take this goddamn picture. Because it's like, I owe y' all so much gratitude and stuff. Because it's like, without all of the followers and stuff, we literally would not be in this predicament. So it's like, yeah, I try to, like, really just keep that in mind.

[Mecca]

Beyonce says a lot of that at her. Like, if you go to Beyonce's shows, she's also someone who's like, I love you all. Thank you for supporting me all these years. She does it at the end of every show. She says it throughout the show.

[Jamila]

Even beyond taking the time out of her set to try to read all them goddamn signs that we put up there.

[Mecca]

Hello.

[Jamila]

Trying to say as many names as possible.

[Mecca]

It's like, we're saying it. But on a big scale, I feel like the most. Even if you want to take it to Nicki Minaj.

[Jamila]

Crazy self.

[Mecca]

Crazy tail self. The way she interacts with the Barbs. Do you see what I'm saying? Hello. She reaches down. Hey, girl. Hey, Barbs.

[Jamila]

Still scary. Hey, Barbs.

[Mecca]

But I'm saying all. All the artists, all the people who have very large fan bases, regardless of.

[Jamila]

What they do, that's what they have in common.

[Mecca]

They have. They all have that in common. They reach back down to that core fan base, and that matters. So that's not even a pro tip. I feel like that's a main tip. If you want to do this. Anything where you're on front street, you need to be cultivating and interacting, girl.

[Jamila]

Learn how to learn how to learn how to talk to people. Learn how to be around people. And trust me, I get it. I totally understand it being awkward. I tell y' all all the time I have extreme social anxiety. And I'm not joking about that. Like, it is debilitating to us.

[Mecca]

It do be having me weak. Not gonna lie to y'.

[Jamila]

All.

[Mecca]

When me and Jameela be out in public and you can see it creeping up. Cause I feel like people would think, based on how we are on camera, that Jameela would be the one. Like, hey, girl, da, da, da. And I'm the one who's like, hey, Jamie.

[Jamila]

Like, hi.

[Mecca]

Hi.

[Jamila]

Whole time my body is buzzing, and I'm trying to, like, fight for my life. And I try to fight through it, and I try. Especially when it's, like, large crowds of people, just in general, y'. All. I have social anxiety bad. Like, it's so bad. And it's. I've just accepted it at this point. That's just my life. Like, I've learned how to deal with it.

[Mecca]

Summer Walker, she doing a good job.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Cause, you know, I feel like she was another woman who, when she first came out, it was kind of that debilitating.

[Jamila]

Yeah, You.

[Mecca]

She did not know what to do. And that's another part that's cool. When you're watching people grow and really get really good, like, at. Not just good at the perfecting their craft, but handling everything.

[Jamila]

Same with Keith Lee. He talked about having, you know, extreme social anxiety as well. And then, you know, watching him, you know, completely blow up and then be able to be around more people and stuff like that, you just have to. It's. I think it's on one part, you kind of just get used to it. So it starts to become kind of your new normal. But on the other end, it's really like flexing a muscle. Like, you kind of have to work on it, and you kind of have to, like, push yourself. And I push myself. Every time I'm out. I'm still not really to the space where I feel comfortable going places by myself. I absolutely dream. It's the one thing I never want to do, even though sometimes I know I have to, and I do my best to. I'm still not there yet. I don't know if and when that'll ever change, but I'm definitely better. Okay, so what was your first concert that you ever attended?

[Mecca]

My first concert was Drake, my senior year of high school.

[Jamila]

What a time to see Drake. I know that pussy was popping, let me tell you.

[Mecca]

I was 17. Wait. Actually, no. I had just turned 18 because the concert wasn't June. It was. Nothing was the same. We're aging ourselves.

[Jamila]

That's a good show. That's my favorite show.

[Mecca]

And that was a good show, mind you. That's the soundtrack of my senior year. I would walk to the bus stop, listening to the whole album. So, you know, obviously got into Hampton, got scholarships, got all the things, got graduated, and that was one of my graduation gifts. That was the first time I shaved my puss.

[Jamila]

Because you thought you was going.

[Mecca]

I thought me and Drake was gonna fuck, bitch. I don't know. Bitch. I thought Aubrey was.

[Jamila]

Just in case he asked me to the back. I'm ready, child.

[Mecca]

I was fresh and horny.

[Jamila]

Freshly 18.

[Mecca]

Freshly 18. I shaved my little mustache. I hadn't even started getting lazy yet, child.

[Jamila]

I hadn't even.

[Mecca]

My mom hadn't even got me the little zapper I had in the room. Oh, my God. It was such a good show. He brought Janae out.

[Jamila]

Where were you sitting?

[Mecca]

So we were kind of. We were on the left side, and we were close. Let me tell you, because he spoke to me, and for context, I am someone. And if you listen to the podcast, you know this. When I feel something with high emotions, I physically react. Like, good news, bad news, sad news, happy news. I'm gonna throw up. So my mom. I hadn't ate all day because I wanted my stomach to be flat. Cause I knew me and Drake was gonna fuck. I was. I need to look. That was my man at the time. And. And my mom wanted to get me Subway, Like a Subway sandwich. Like, you need to eat something. And I was like, no. Because if he sees me and he talks to me, I'm gonna throw up. So I was like, so. No, thank God I know myself so. Cause we were like. We weren't on the floor, but we were like. And it wasn't even, like. It wasn't even leveled. It was like just a little stadium type stairway. So we were in the first row. He was on something, like going around to each section of the stadium. And we. And he went. He started on that side and we were the last section. And I had on this white top. And my homegirl had on a Jersey that said 84. And when I realized he was coming around, I said, oh, my God, I am finna lose my shit. So he. So. Cause he was pointing out specific girls who were going crazy. He said, baby, in the What? I see you tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight I swear to God.

[Jamila]

He did this.

[Mecca]

And he looked down at me.

[Jamila]

He said, baby, in the 84 jersey. I see you tonight, tonight, tonight Bitch.

[Mecca]

I was. And then it was like. It was so crazy because the girls behind us were hyping us up too. Because we were the ones that he picked. And I was. I just. I was. And mind you, after it happened, I couldn't even really pay attention to him. Also shouting my homegirl out because my knees started to get weak. I was gonna faint. I was finn to faint. And I felt myself. I was like, thank God I didn't eat that Subway. Cause I would have thrown up on them people below me. And then that was confirmation. I said, we're gonna fuck tonight. We're gonna fuck.

[Jamila]

Get ready, Aubrey.

[Mecca]

Get ready, Aubrey. I'm gonna put this fat pussy on your sideburn.

[Jamila]

Fresh virgin puss. Virgin pussy.

[Mecca]

Never been cut. I obviously went home and went to high school the next day.

[Jamila]

You went right back home to Lindy. Picked you up and you went home.

[Mecca]

My mom picked me up in her min. We went right back home.

[Jamila]

Go ahead and go back to reality, baby. Yeah. Well, my first concert was the Temptations.

[Mecca]

Well, that's fitting.

[Jamila]

But let me tell you how I was so excited. Let me tell you so funny. I had to be. I had to be six or seven. And obviously I was obsessed with the movie the Temptations.

[Mecca]

As everyone. As every black guy.

[Jamila]

Like, it was one of my absolute favorite movies. I watched it all the fucking time to the point where I was able to recite it. Still to this day, can recite the whole movie. And there was specifically a part. I loved Paul, right? I really loved Paul. And I loved Eddie when Paul was just too drunk and he couldn't tour no more and he bowed out. And that was his Last show. And then Eddie said, it's my last show. Bawled my fucking eyes out. I cried every time I watched a movie. And everybody thought it was so funny because they were just like, jamila, I'm like, you don't understand.

[Mecca]

It changes.

[Jamila]

Eddie lost his best friend and he couldn't. He didn't want to perform with anyone anymore. You guys don't get it. So my parents are like, we're going to see the Temptations. I'm like, fuck yes. I have not. I wasn't to the point where I understood necessarily TV and reality.

[Mecca]

So kids don't understand.

[Jamila]

When I got to that motherfucking concert and seen them old ass niggas on that goddamn stage, I said, who was that? Did they. They said, baby. I said, no, baby, mind you, at the time, you know, Otis is the only one living still. The only original living. So not only was it not them niggas I seen on tv, nigga, that Otis is the only one here. Like, mind you, I watched them die on tv. So it's like I. I don't know why it was not registering to me.

[Mecca]

But I was watching Take the Turkey out the kitchen.

[Jamila]

I know, but I'm sitting there like, well, where's Otis at least? And my parents like him right there. The bald one with the dangly earring. Oh, this. So after I, like, after it kind of settled in, I got to singing. I had me a good old time. And it was in this, it was in Beaumont, and we went to this. It was a smaller like theater, kind of like a tabernacle type shit. Yeah, but baby, my little six, seven year old self had a blast singing every song louder than all them old ass people in that goddamn theater. I had a good time for the Temptations.

[Mecca]

Did y' all have. We had an inside joke that. We also watched the Temptations a lot one time, me and Darrington. So obviously the famous line, david Ruffin, ain't nobody come to see you. Otis and David, you know, thought he was a star. Well, you know what I'm saying? So one time, and this inside joke lives to this day, 20 something years later, me and Darrington was into it. And like, what? I'm like seven, Darrington's like five. He was like, mecca, stop being a hater. Like David from the Temptations. And it's like, my God sisters were around, my mom was around. And the way everyone started busting out laughing because this is during the era where BET would play the Temptations like Baby Boy every other day. And when there was Nothing on what? We trying to just watch the Temptation. So it's like we knew what he was talking about. And he's obviously five years old. And so did Ass to the Wave. To the same. You're being a hater like David from the Temptations, though.

[Jamila]

Stop.

[Mecca]

You're hating bad.

[Jamila]

You're being a big hater.

[Mecca]

We always.

[Jamila]

First of all, we recite that line so much. But something that my family always says, and it's bad because it's like, it actually wasn't funny, but it's so funny. We, like, better not take that long way around, bitch, because you're gonna die. Because the way we always say, like, why did him taking the long way around Kill him, Blue, Why did you go around?

[Mecca]

Because I couldn't get to him.

[Jamila]

And I'm gonna take the long way around. There you go, Blue. Trying to be extra in that goddamn wheelchair. And now you're dead. Taking the long way around. You didn't even have to go that way.

[Mecca]

That's actually so good.

[Jamila]

Why you ain't let your mama go get that lemonade out the fridge, out the Frigidaire? And I'm gonna take the long way around now you're dead, Blue. It pissed me off. Mind you, years later, coming to find out that ain't even how that nigga died pissed me off. I hate when movies do shit like that. I thought this shit was real life. I thought that nigga died on the long way around.

[Mecca]

Wait, and was it Paul who committed suicide?

[Jamila]

Paul, probably. Yeah. Paul committed. Paul committed. He was on that. He was on them. That gin and jewels. That liver was fucked up. He also had real bad liver issues. But he killed himself. Cause he couldn't perform no more. Pop, though.

[Mecca]

That was true.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Wait, something. Somebody else passed and maybe they all.

[Jamila]

Died except for Otis.

[Mecca]

I know, but I'm saying they got.

[Jamila]

The way that they claim.

[Mecca]

Not the way they claim. I was gonna say.

[Jamila]

And this. Can I go into my.

[Mecca]

Your theories?

[Jamila]

My theories. Okay, so here's the thing. And I've always said this. I've never liked Otis. Let me tell you why. I always felt when I watched that movie, something about when David Ruffin said, ain't nobody coming to see Otis stuck with me. And I said, he meant that. There's a reason. There's a story there. And I have always believed that Otis was actually the real hater of the Temptations. Let me tell you why. When we got the Temptations movie, that was the only one alive telling everybody's story the way he killed Off David Ruffin in that movie. What you. What you mean? They just dumped that on the side of road? That's not what the happened. I felt like he hated David Ruffin and he gave him a really horrible end to that movie. And I thought it was some real hater ass. David Ruffin was the star. He was the voice. Otis, shout out to Otis, are you OG for real?

[Mecca]

But I was gonna say, I thought.

[Jamila]

I thought you was hating for real. You was lowkey hating on David. Why you did that. But you know, Leon improv that line. Leon did improv that line. And I just felt like he was.

[Mecca]

Pissing Otis off in real life.

[Jamila]

That's the story, Otis. And that's why I. And the thing is, if you go back, go back and rewatch that movie. Otis is painted like a fucking angel. Outside of the cheating and, you know, the cheating and shit, but he's painted to be like the best. Like the best one. Like, he's the one who got his head on straight. I mean, shit, he the only one still alive. So I give him a little, you know, 1, 2 on that. But I said, nah, Otis, I think you was low key. A stick in the mud. And them n, they said, oh, n, you think you some uppity negro. That's what he was probably acting like. He was probably acting like an uppity nigger. That's all I'm saying. I just feel like every time I watch it, I like, I love Otis because it's like you're the Temptations, like you're an og. But I always felt like Otis was a little bit of a hateration.

[Mecca]

But I was gonna say David Ruffin famously OD'd.

[Jamila]

Yes, right.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say, because.

[Jamila]

But it's specifically the way he portrayed it in the movie. Like, and nobody know what happened. And he just threw him out the goddamn thing. And it made it seem like nobody cared that he died.

[Mecca]

Jimmy. Eddie Murphy from Dreamgirls is based on David Ruffin, if you don't know. And they did a better job of, like, portraying what actually happened with David Ruffin.

[Jamila]

Yeah, he made it seem like nobody gave a fuck that David died when it's time.

[Mecca]

No, I was gonna say David. It was a big deal when he passed.

[Jamila]

Exactly. And then when Blue died, obviously that was his best friend. You see, Everybody really gonna miss you. First of all, I crowned that scene every time.

[Mecca]

Every time. It's so sad.

[Jamila]

Your smile.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say him and Paul as a kid. So this is gonna. But that was like my first concept Concept of unaliving yourself with Paul and the Temptations.

[Jamila]

Killing yourself. Can we say that this isn't TikTok? Okay, well, no boundaries, no guidelines. What was our tagline? Act like you're not new here, bitch. You just said put.

[Mecca]

Wait. Cause I was gonna say, you just.

[Jamila]

Said, put your pussy lips on Drake, and now you want to say on the live, bitch. But. But the term is died by suicide. He died by suicide.

[Mecca]

He died by suicide. But that was my first.

[Jamila]

I didn't know that was the technical term. So you can't say kill itself. Yeah. Or committed suicide isn't technically why you can't say kill itself.

[Mecca]

Well, because it's ignorant.

[Jamila]

Oh, yeah. No, I thought it was you talking about guidelines or something. Not guidelines, but in the technical.

[Mecca]

Technically technical terms. Politically correct terms, yes.

[Jamila]

You know, one thing about niggas, they killed us. Nigga killed himself, took himself out.

[Mecca]

That was my first, like, exposure to that.

[Jamila]

And I. Yeah, probably mine, too. No shade. Cause I was like.

[Mecca]

I was like 6, 7 years old watching it.

[Jamila]

That probably was mine, too. Like.

[Mecca]

And it took me a minute to realize what happened to realize what happened. Cause, you know, it's a scene where he's in the car forever. And I was just like, oh, why he screaming in the car? And then, like, the second or third time you watch it, you, like, all.

[Jamila]

You see is a pop. So is he gone or, like, what happened?

[Mecca]

And, like, I was like, oh.

[Jamila]

And you know what? When Paul was at that goddamn piano, he sang his heart out.

[Mecca]

He did.

[Jamila]

He was drunk as shit, but he sounded good.

[Mecca]

Child, I was so sad. Once I really realized what was going. I said, that's so sad.

[Jamila]

When his wife. Maybe you should put the drink down, baby. Give me a. Get off of here. I said, oh, yeah. Drunk as shit. That was familiar. I've seen that type of drunkenness before when.

[Mecca]

When the man is shooing the wife away. Hey. Oh, niggas.

[Jamila]

What was this? He was singing a Stevie Wonder song, too. What the fuck song was he singing?

[Mecca]

Girl, I don't know.

[Jamila]

He was singing a Stevie Wonder song.

[Mecca]

We're gonna take a break.

[Jamila]

And we're back.

[Mecca]

Okay, so wait, this is quick. Temptations are Five Heartbeats.

[Jamila]

Temptations.

[Mecca]

Okay.

[Jamila]

I do love the Five Heartbeats, though.

[Mecca]

I do enjoy. But it's. I feel like the Temptations was real life like this.

[Jamila]

I wish fit. I love a crackhead storyline, baby.

[Mecca]

Damn.

[Jamila]

I do. It's my dream to play a crackhead. If I always say, hey, Halle Berry, I wanna be a crackhead. So Bad. If anybody is looking for a crackhead in a movie, holla at me. I could do it. Holiday. I got the bike.

[Mecca]

Another. Another black American classic.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Dang. How we get here? We was on concert. Now we talk about crap.

[Jamila]

Oh, that was my first concert. Temptation.

[Mecca]

Okay, now our next question is dream concert.

[Jamila]

Melissa told.

[Mecca]

Melissa said at the top, the people have to be alive.

[Jamila]

Uh, why? See, that was Michael. That was Michael. He's here. He's here. What happened? What happened?

[Mecca]

Oh, God. On, God. Michael. No, no.

[Jamila]

Hey, Mike. What happened? Explain. We was gonna talk about Mike Jack, and something fell over in my chair. Cause she said it had to be alive. And he knocked that shit over. Like, why I gotta like, it literally. He literally knocked that shit over.

[Mecca]

It literally went over.

[Jamila]

I told y' all, I bring spirits with me everywhere I go. We done talked in your house. We done talked about this a hundred times. We just need something else. Okay. You're your second favorite concert thing. That's my Beyonce. You know the real answer. Like, so if we talking about alive. My dream concert alive, which is crazy because I've been knocking them off my checklist because I got to see Jasmine. I got to see Usher.

[Mecca]

Oh, I saw Usher, too. We didn't even mention that Usher was also.

[Jamila]

Wait, 10 out of 10.

[Mecca]

We gotta circle back. Usher. I'm sorry. We didn't mention you when we were talking about people who deserve flowers. You, my friend on them goddamn roller skates.

[Jamila]

The only bad thing I have to say about the Usher concert, and this is a team thing, you should have been at the Mercedes Benz. You are too big to have been at State Farm. That's why you had 20 shows there. Nigga, you are. You are one of the only peers of Beyonce. Genuinely only male peer of Beyonce and that show. I forgot to mention that as far as, like, one of my favorite shows. That definitely is in there.

[Mecca]

Like, I accidentally got too fucked up at the Usher concert. That's how happy I was.

[Jamila]

I had a blast.

[Mecca]

To the point.

[Jamila]

And the Usher looked at me and I was all the way up there. Ooh.

[Mecca]

Listen to the point where when I went to Beyonce in Houston and I'm going to. Now I'm on a two drink minimum, because I was so. I was watching the videos back, and mind you, I had a great time. But you know how when you're so happy, you're like, yes, another shot. I was way too. Sabrina was like, you were slurring. I said, and I had a blast. And I had a blast.

[Jamila]

Yeah. I like to be Very, like, cognizant of the concert.

[Mecca]

So I tried.

[Jamila]

I really don't ever drink too much at a concert.

[Mecca]

I only had one. I remember I made that big church hat for Renaissance, and I snuck little shooters in the hat, so I had two. I was drinking at the Beyonce concert, which is what I want to do. I can drink while I'm there, but I can't drink. Before, I was a perfect amount of, like, tipsy to Renaissance, to, like, cut up. That Usher concert was unacceptable.

[Jamila]

You was beside.

[Mecca]

I was beside myself. And then. Y' all don't know. Usher was my first love. I just KNEW I was 7 years old. Like, when confessions came out, I knew I was gonna fuck. I was really hot in the pants.

[Jamila]

Y', all, like, what is you doing at 7? Put that thing away, girl.

[Mecca]

I just knew. I said Cheated on Chili would never be me. Never be me.

[Jamila]

Yeah, his concert was really good. I wanted to eat that cherry so bad. Usher, the thing, what he did to that cherry.

[Mecca]

God, maybe it was for the best. Not fuck.

[Jamila]

I'd have been like, them old ladies, baby. Them old ladies in them goddamn chairs. I was like, ew. But that relatable.

[Mecca]

Yuck.

[Jamila]

Wait.

[Mecca]

When you're at the age where you see aunties, like, being super horny in comment sections, and the thing is, I'm not so old that I'm gonna do it yet, but I am getting to the age where I understand they don't.

[Jamila]

They have no shame.

[Mecca]

They have no shame. I'll be like, no, but, y'. All. You're not wrong. I'm not gonna comment. I'm not gonna engage and do what y' all doing. But you're not wrong. I'm not there yet. But I also would suck the skin off that dick. I saw that in this comment section, and I've stolen. I say it to niggas when I'm in. When I'm in a certain state.

[Jamila]

You heard it here first. Skin gone.

[Mecca]

Skin off the dick. Non existent.

[Jamila]

Dream concert. Okay. It's so hard. Kendrick is on the list. I really wanted to go to this most recent tour. It was just so much happening. I couldn't make was. It was not feasible at the time. But I definitely would love to see him in concert. Brandi is up there. I know she's going on tour now. I'm trying to figure that out because she's Monica. The thing is, she's going on tour in Atlanta on Halloween. Everything's happening Halloween. So it's like, I kind of am like, ah, it's so much happening. So hopefully I can catch maybe a different city or maybe she. They do another date. Um. Man, I. I've honestly seen so many people that I. Listen, I'm going to a concert.

[Mecca]

I've become more of a concert person the last few years because I've been going to festivals like Essence One, Music Fest. Um, I tried to go to Honey Fest in Sugar Land, but I didn't end up going Cause for the Rain. But, like, I've been seeing more concerts in the last three years than I have my whole life. Yeah. So even though that's why I'm like, I've. I've actually seen a lot of people perform at this point.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I've seen a ton of people. So that's why it's like. It's hard for me to say, like, who's still alive? Because even the people that are still alive, I probably gonna see them soon.

[Mecca]

I saw Janet Jackson during her tour run, and she stopped at Essence last year. Not this past year. I was. Wow.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I went to her show, and.

[Mecca]

I know she was on tour.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I went to her actual tour the year. I think it was, like, 2019, maybe. I think it was 2019, baby.

[Mecca]

That for me, the gag. I feel like I've gone to my dream concert. Victoria Monet opened. It was Janet, and then it was Frankie Beverly and Mays, and that was the last time he performed before he went to Glory. So I was like, actually, this was a great experience. Yeah, wonderful. Anyone else that I would want to see in concert? I've seen. This will be my, what, third? Fourth time seeing Beyonce, So I've seen her. I saw Drake. I don't really want to see Drake no more. I tried to go to his concert that he kept rescheduling in New Orleans. That's why me and Sabrina were in New Orleans so much, because we kept trying to get tickets and stuff. He hasn't dropped an album that I would want to see performed as of late. The last album I would have wanted to see him perform would have been certified Lover boy. And I don't even think that's the tour he was on for that. But I didn't.

[Jamila]

No, I don't think so either. But, I mean, he would have.

[Mecca]

He would have definitely done it because it was way closer to the time of that.

[Jamila]

I'm really trying to think, like. I mean, there's definitely some people I would want to see, but I'm thinking of, like, Dream. Dream Concert. Like, I've been to, like, most of my people's. Shows. Like, seeing Janet. I've seen Mariah. Like, I've seen a lot of the greats. I would love to see Stevie. I know he's not really in his prime anymore, so it would be different. It would be more so. Like, a little bit more muted down.

[Mecca]

I just saw a video.

[Jamila]

Yeah, he was just on tour. I just couldn't catch the concert. Like, I was busy or whatever. But Stevie Wonder is one of my top five artists ever, so I would love to see him. But I wish I could have saw him, like, you know, when he was a little bit younger, just. Cause obviously it would be a different stamina. But, I mean, if I got the opportunity to see him.

[Mecca]

You don't want to see Smokey Robinson. Old horny ass.

[Jamila]

I love Smokey. I would go see him if I had the opportunity.

[Mecca]

I was going to say. I'm not.

[Jamila]

He was my first crush. I know, y'. All. I'm sorry. I have to be honest. He was. I've always loved Smokey.

[Mecca]

When he had. When he had first got his little locks.

[Jamila]

No, baby. When he was still had that curly top back in the day. And he was just wrinkly enough. Now he's real old and horny. But 20 years ago. 20 years ago. Listen, Smokey still was. He still looked good 20 years ago.

[Mecca]

And you try and talk about me for dating older men and you like Smoke.

[Jamila]

I liked Smokey Robinson because of the Temptations, though. Like, I just. I fell in love with the person who played him first, the character of Smokey, because the nigga who played Smokey was fine as shit. And then I came to the realization that, oh, this is a real person that I can love. And I just really loved who he was, and he was still kind of cute to me, so.

[Mecca]

So you do like old Nick.

[Jamila]

No, I do not like older men.

[Mecca]

Anyway, I've been.

[Jamila]

You be trying to get me to be on that team, baby. No, Smokey is just Smokey, though. Like, and then he was singing them good old songs. I know. I made a few.

[Mecca]

And now he's humping air. Hey, but I want to see it.

[Jamila]

What he say? Gang banging. I love that video.

[Mecca]

So.

[Jamila]

With that damn old man vibrato. Yeah, go on, Smokey. With your old horny still. I saw Smokey walking down the street walking his dog one time. You did?

[Mecca]

But you in la. That's how that goes.

[Jamila]

I was in here. I was actually filming. I was filming something. And we were in his neighborhood filming. And he was like, hey, what you doing? Like, he Talked me. Oh, I bet he do. I mean, he's a old black man.

[Mecca]

You know, they love talking.

[Jamila]

Hey, that baby.

[Mecca]

Baby, what you doing?

[Jamila]

Yeah, I would love to meet Smokey.

[Mecca]

I would make him sing the gang banging song. Please, I have to hear it. I have to hear it live. Smokey, please. This little album makes me laugh. Him and. Oh, who was the other one? Dee Dee Jakes.

[Jamila]

No.

[Mecca]

Although I do love that sex album. She found herself. She found herself like, ew.

[Jamila]

That shit was so.

[Mecca]

They was so horny. In the name of Jesus, Ew. The lady of lover and Lord.

[Jamila]

Ew.

[Mecca]

And it's literally TD Jakes like Barry White in the background. She found. So please, child, I love. He was my ministry.

[Jamila]

Who were you? Who were you about to say?

[Mecca]

Fuck. It's. It's another older artist from back in the day who's been making songs and they're old man horny songs and I cannot. And one of them slaps like fuck. And I can't think of who it is. Oh, Lenny. Lenny Williams.

[Jamila]

Oh, girl, you know I love you no matter what you do oh, oh.

[Mecca]

Oh oh oh, oh, oh yeah and I cry.

[Jamila]

That song is 20 minutes long.

[Mecca]

And I listen to all 20 minutes.

[Jamila]

I cry, you know what? Sometimes I go home late at night and I wonder.

[Mecca]

I listened to all 20 minutes and he is still making music. And he's making old man horny music. Like Smokey Robinson young man horny music. So I'm not saying that I know, but I kind of like it. So I was actually listening to that all 20 minutes and said, you know how you're just like, what's Lenny doing? He made a song last year and I said, okay, that made. And then obviously it's like artists like this Smokey Robinson. That's how I found out Smokey Robinson was making old man horny music. And I have to be real. If Smokey goes on tour and I have the opportunity, I'm going to go see his old Man Horny music set.

[Jamila]

Smokey Robinson is top three songwriters of all time. I'm absolutely going to see that N.

[Mecca]

Show hello out of respect.

[Jamila]

Are you kidding me?

[Mecca]

Sing your old man horny music, Smokey.

[Jamila]

That n. You've already Motown music.

[Mecca]

You've earned it.

[Jamila]

Are you kidding me? Hell yeah. I'm going to see Smokey like he.

[Mecca]

Was at the time. He just wanted to be horny. And they were like, ah, clean cut.

[Jamila]

Smokey, stop, stop.

[Mecca]

We're not doing that. He's like, oh.

[Jamila]

He said, okay.

[Mecca]

And now this was a Minute.

[Jamila]

I know that you could be an hour. I know, Smokey. He said he really wanted to say if Good Puss was right. I was crying over that pussy. He really wanted to say some nasty.

[Mecca]

He wanted to say some nasty shit this entire time and. And bear and evil Barry Gordy wouldn't let him.

[Jamila]

Barry Gordy's still alive? That's crazy. How do you think about that?

[Mecca]

What's up with that?

[Jamila]

No, let me stop. Because last time I said something about somebody that died. Yes, I rebuke.

[Mecca]

We not trying to wish death on nobody, Barry. You took all them people. Listen, Jamie Foxx played you too good, Barry Curtis was supposed to love me. He played you. And if you was really acting like Curtis. Mr. Berry Gordy. Oh, you know me and you was 17 times Flores. I already know.

[Jamila]

You know, Barry used to run them heifers up and through there, up through Hitsville. Oh, yeah, I know. Barry used to have a. He was the big nigga in charge, mind you, at a time. With what shit else in Detroit but that goddamn little station, baby. Oh, he had all the Detroit hussies running in and out that goddamn Hitchville. I know that's right. I love old school hoe stories. I need some of that.

[Mecca]

Listen, the fact that if you go to Detroit, they don't like Diana Ross makes me laugh. I'm so sorry. And I'm only going off my TikTok comment section. And people talk about their grandmamas. Oh, my grandmama, Nadia. I don't like Diana Ross in Detroit.

[Jamila]

Really?

[Mecca]

Tell me more.

[Jamila]

I want to know all. Like, I hope, like, somebody has been taking notes of, like, all of the stories.

[Mecca]

I'm not. And you would, too, for a check. Like, I'm not mad at, like, in the way people are mad at me.

[Jamila]

I wasn't gonna sleep with Barry Gordy for a record.

[Mecca]

And maybe she fucked over her friend. It was a different time.

[Jamila]

Diana came from the projects.

[Mecca]

She had a dream.

[Jamila]

How about putting that thing on? Barry? Give me a. Give me a hit record. Barry, make me the lead.

[Mecca]

Put it into my Jill Scott, baby.

[Jamila]

Some of it is like, now, y'.

[Mecca]

All, I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't get it. She wasn't supposed to do that to Flo. She wasn't supposed to do that.

[Jamila]

I'm so sorry to those ladies.

[Mecca]

Sorry.

[Jamila]

Y' all are still legends.

[Mecca]

Still legends. But sometimes.

[Jamila]

What?

[Mecca]

And bringing it back to Beyonce. Not that she's done anything nefarious, but the drive that it takes when you are laser focused. The people who make it to the top are not necessarily the most talented. And I say that because you can be the most talented, but the person who's willing to work 17 times harder than you and just as regular talented is going to be more successful than you. Every single. It's proven, not even just in the music industry, across every single career line, the person who puts in the work. And so I'm. Beyonce is a person who, she's incredibly talented. That talent is there. I'm not saying she doesn't have it, but she also works so fucking hard.

[Jamila]

She's a crazy workaholic. I remember a couple of interviews and Latoya, Latoya Lucky was like, we was, we, we was all playing at the mall and we got in the car, we was like, b, what you doing? She was in there writing music. And we said, oh, okay. And we left. She said that a couple times. Like that girl's work ethic when they were teenagers, 16 years old, and she's in the car writing while they hooting and hollering. And they're not wrong for that. It's just like there's different levels of perseverance that you have when you have a specific like ironclad Focus LaserJet. Like this is where I'm trying to get to. And. And Bea had that. And it's undeniable. Nobody has ever said anything different. Who's actually known and worked with her.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say. And the fact that I think that she has stood among legends like Prince, like Tina Turner, like Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, who have that same. Who. We see each other because we are here because of our work ethic as well. And they're the ones saying what When Prince told her she need to learn how to read music or thumb.

[Jamila]

And she went and play an instrument.

[Mecca]

Play an instrument. And she went and did it. It's like that's the level of, that's the level that's gonna take you there.

[Jamila]

There.

[Mecca]

I'm being so dead ass. And so we're letting it back to Diana Ross maybe in her time, because you have. I, I. We always have to consider we are the most blessed generation of women in terms of what we have access to and what we don't necessarily have to do to get to where we want to go. Just simply 50 years ago, it was not like that. Harvey Weinstein will let you know he's still alive and in prison for his crimes. And the girls who wanted to be stars simply just said, cause the girls who didn't are not stars. And that's not a problem. Some people choose themselves. But I'm also not gonna fault the girls who said, yeah.

[Jamila]

I mean, put me on my back. Especially, like, when you put in perspective, like, it's not hard to fathom falling in love with your boss when your boss is very Gordy, you know, I'm sure he has some type of steez on him. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a lot going on. You're working in close proximity with this. It's not. It's not hard to fathom that one of you, one of these ladies in here got a chance with Barry, and bitch, it was gonna be me.

[Mecca]

Baby was already fucking Barry. He was running through the group.

[Jamila]

That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying, like, it's not a.

[Mecca]

Hard concept to understand. It's not a hard concept. But in terms of the way that, like, sometimes we talk about Diana Raw. I mean, I've had this conversation on TikTok, and I know the comments I read in terms of she was wrong, maybe, yes. But also, I'm going to consider. And they get mad when you want to consider nuance and time and space and why and when and all these. But that shit does matter. It matters. I'm sorry. It matters. And you can't make it not matter.

[Jamila]

You can't hate her more than you hate Barry.

[Mecca]

Hello. So y' all gotta not make it matter.

[Jamila]

Because it doesn't make sense. Some of the energy y' all got from my godmother, Dayana. Wrong energy. Because if you gonna have that with her, you gotta have that with Barry. Cause, baby, the way Barry was running through them like a tomb Raider.

[Mecca]

And Marilyn Monroe was another one who was well known for she laser focused. She wanted to be a star. And she didn't mind doing certain things. Cause at the time, that's just what you had to do. And it was just like, okay, if that's what I gotta do, that's what I want. Even today, you have some girls who don't mind. I'm not judging. I really don't. I don't think it's. I think you should have the choice. That's what I think. I think if you don't want to.

[Jamila]

It shouldn't hinder you.

[Mecca]

It shouldn't hinder you. That's what I'm trying to say. If that's what you're willing to do, baby.

[Jamila]

But, girl. Because that's when it gets like, oh, yeah. Oh, abuse.

[Mecca]

That's. Oh, yeah. That's a crime That's a crime. If you don't want to, you should still have the opportunity, space and opportunity to be successful without doing it.

[Jamila]

Yeah. I would hope, if you consent. Consentfully decide to consensually.

[Mecca]

Consentful. Consentfully.

[Jamila]

Consensually decide to fuck with the boss. I would hope you got some perks out of it. Dare I say what's the point?

[Mecca]

If you're. I'm sorry, you're not gonna make. I'm not ever gonna boo because again, like you said, sometimes girls fall in love.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

If you know anything about a warehouse, motherfuckers be fucking just off proximity alone.

[Jamila]

And sometimes that gets you an extra break.

[Mecca]

If you're fucking the boss and you're not getting no perks, babe, your pussy is broken. Broken pussy. It's not working.

[Jamila]

Or that nigga is just not it. Like, think about that. And it's just like I said, I'm never necessarily telling you you need to do that because that comes with its own things. But if it just so happened to where your pussy falls in the lap of the boss. Consensually.

[Mecca]

Consensual.

[Jamila]

You bet your bottom dollar you should be getting something out of it.

[Mecca]

Let me tell you something. Something. If I was me boss, I would. I would be coming up with extra pto. Don't know how I'd be. I'd be getting paid and I'd be off.

[Jamila]

Something, something.

[Mecca]

I'm leaving here with something.

[Jamila]

Leaving him with some.

[Mecca]

That's why, baby. Who was skip.

[Jamila]

Would she leave?

[Mecca]

Exactly. I'm leaving here with something Shine.

[Jamila]

The bottom line, darling.

[Mecca]

What the fuck are we talking about, bitch? Fuck is we talking about?

[Jamila]

We're gonna take a break.

[Mecca]

And we're back.

[Jamila]

Okay, so speaking about concerts, what is something that used to happen that maybe doesn't really happen anymore, that you wish kind of still could happen for concerts? I know exactly what I would say.

[Mecca]

You say yours for us. Because I love.

[Jamila]

It's not that it doesn't happen more, but it doesn't happen nearly as much bringing people on stage. Yes, it doesn't happen a lot. And I understand why. People get weirder and weirder as time goes by. I don't know why. And it happens here seldom. Like, you'll see. Chris Brown started bringing people up, kind of like in a Janet Jackson way, humping on him and kissing on him and shit like that.

[Mecca]

You know, his fans love that.

[Jamila]

But back in the day, like I'm talking about, there wasn't really a lot of barricades. It would be stage and audience And I'm talking about you could just be swooped up onto the stage.

[Mecca]

But too many. You know what's happened? It's got weird. And y' all started killing celebrities, randomly walking up on them at meet and greets and shit like that. Like.

[Jamila]

No, seriously, I totally understand why it. And I, as much as I love Beyonce, and as much as I wish we got that experience to where you know, she was right up there to the audience before her barricade. I would never even want her in these days without a barricade because I want her safe. And, Julius, thank you for keeping my mother safe, but I wish I was.

[Mecca]

Just there, you know, Julius has kids.

[Jamila]

He got a whole family.

[Mecca]

I had no idea.

[Jamila]

He's just on payroll. Baby, that's the CIA. He is the c. That nigga is more secure than the CIA. I promise you ain't nothing touching Beyonce with Julius around that ball head.

[Mecca]

I didn't even know Julius. Children, child. I really do. Yeah.

[Jamila]

Yeah, he does. I learned that a while ago, and I was just like.

[Mecca]

And, you know, at this point, he's like, not just the bodyguard. He's like her head of security.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Fun fact. The documentary, the Mortician. Did you see that on hbo? Okay, basically, he was burning all the bodies at the same time and giving people random. It was a mix of in the. In the urn.

[Jamila]

Oh, that's just evil.

[Mecca]

It's bad. It's really bad.

[Jamila]

Oh, my God. What does that have to do with Julius?

[Mecca]

Okay, someone who used to. His name was Mr. Andre something. He had, like, a Creole last name. He used to work there, fresh out of college. But then he went on, you know how, like, when you be watching a documentary? And I was like, what's the black guy doing? You know, just. Cause why you in just a white mess? What the hell you doing now? He went on to become a head of security for, like, KISS and, like, Run dmc. And he's written a book about, like, what that's like, okay. And so that I know that Julius is not just Beyonce's bodyguard, but he's the head of her security. So when I was reading it, I said, oh, this what Julius does. And it's so much more than just like, I'm your bodyguard. It's strategic life. He has his.

[Jamila]

It's his own company, too. I recognize specifically him. And then the white dude. It's this white dude. I don't know the white guy's name, but I recognize him. Cause they're the ones. I think he's like, Maybe tethered to Jay or maybe even Blue, the white guy. Cause I always see him around, too. But of course, like, Julius is well.

[Mecca]

Known, but it's a whole strategic thing.

[Jamila]

Oh, yeah.

[Mecca]

And he does, like. And he does tour management and stuff. So I was just basically reading his background and relating it back to my knowledge on Julius. That's what that has to do with Julius. And so I say that to, say, Julius, I now have a much greater understanding of what your job entails. And thank you so much for your service.

[Jamila]

Thank you. Keep protecting mother. Love you. But, yeah, I do wish I was just more so in that time period where that was a thing. Because I'm a fan that knows how to behave. I would never do anything to disrespect my beloved artist. But being able to, like, kind of like, bro, Michael Jackson used to pull people on stage. They would hug, baby. I would have been. Ah. I would have not let go. I would have been just like that little Asian girl that he had to pick off of him. Like, please take me with you. But, like, that was so dope. Like, just stuff like that. Those organic moments that they used to have.

[Mecca]

What's the sound of R. Kelly?

[Jamila]

Huh?

[Mecca]

Are you coming to. Who wants to come to America?

[Jamila]

Who wants to come to America? Do you want to come to America? He's crazy ass, that nigga. Do you have a passport? That was a crazy.

[Mecca]

Why would you say that? The fact that they made that a sound on TikTok. And now whenever we like stuff like this, I be like, in my head, do you have a passport? It's like, you be trying. And that's the one thing that I hate and love about black people. We don't let references die. No matter where the reference comes from.

[Jamila]

We gonna use it.

[Mecca]

Doesn't matter. Because I don't listen to R. Kelly's music currently. But there are certain references that I absolutely still make. Like, do you have a passport?

[Jamila]

I'm fighting.

[Mecca]

And Gayle was like, robert, Robert. Watching me. Do you remember watching that interview live?

[Jamila]

Abso fucking literally.

[Mecca]

I was crying, laughing.

[Jamila]

Who the fuck greenlit this shit? This nigga's dumb as shit. Why was she alone? Sealed his fate in prison. They said, lock that in.

[Mecca]

And Kenan Thompson, so tasteful, Delicious. I don't know what I'll talk people not gonna lie. That's one of the best SNL skits of the last decade. They're reenacting of that. That was so good.

[Jamila]

Robert. Robert. He was so fed up with him. But back to the question so what's the thing that you would bring back as far as, like, concert culture wise again?

[Mecca]

I only started going to concerts in the last, like, three years, so. So I feel like the era of people getting pulled up on stage, I wasn't at concerts anyway. But I do wish that we didn't have to bring clear bags anymore. I understand.

[Jamila]

Ruins the fit.

[Mecca]

Well, every. And you know what I need to do because I do have a little Amazon clear concert bag. I need to just go invest in the clear Telfie so I can have, like, a cute. So it goes with it. It doesn't ruin the fit. It doesn't have.

[Jamila]

The Beyonce's bag that you get for Hoedown is actually a perfect concert.

[Mecca]

Is it clear?

[Jamila]

Yes, it's like a clear with a blue tint. It's so cute and it's perfect concert.

[Mecca]

Okay, I might. I might look into that.

[Jamila]

Yeah, you're gonna get it because you're going to Hoedown. Oh, you're gonna get it. I'm trying to think about something else that they used to do. They used to do a lot of, like, really cool things back in the day. First of all, this is actually what I would bring. They don't do this a lot because venues are so fucking strict. The artists don't do encores anymore.

[Mecca]

They don't. They don't go back on stage.

[Jamila]

It's because of the venues. Back in the day, when I tell you, artists used to say, fuck that venue and come back in more and more and more and would stay out there forever. And I love that. Like, I love an energy boost where it's just like, I'm just doing this off the strength of energy nowadays, especially if you're somewhere like a fucking State Farm or Mercedes Benz. Like those major stadiums, bitch, you need to be out at a certain time so much so that, like, you'll pay a fine. Like, you. You get in trouble. And it's like a huge thing.

[Mecca]

When it was raining in Chicago and Beyonce said, fuck it, I'll pay the fine, because she still wanted to give them their show. I remember that being like a headline. Beyonce just pays the fine.

[Jamila]

And then on top of that. But it also puts a strain on public transportation. It is a very huge, like, security risk. And it's a. I get it. But, like, I wish they would bring that back because being able to say, encore. Encore.

[Mecca]

Yeah, and then they actually do it.

[Jamila]

And then they come out and do that shit. Like, that is such a rush. Like, I would love to experience that. We had A fake out encore. I say it was a fake out. Cause I know this n planned it. It was John Legend, which actually was a really, really good show.

[Mecca]

He could sing.

[Jamila]

It was a good show. I just thought I anticipated him just singing, if that makes sense. Cause sometimes, you know when people are just a voice but no movements and stuff, it was just like. I thought he was, he was dancing. It's not that he was dancing. He was dancing a little bit, like giving a move. It was just a very thoughtful show. He had a lot going on. He had dances, he had this, he had that. It was a very good show. So he ended the show and we were like, but you didn't do, you didn't do, you didn't do. And so we kind of kept like cheering, cheering, cheering. But I knew it wasn't a real encore because the band was still on stage. See, real encores. The band is gone and they're like, they're backstage. Like, you got to go back on, you know, I had to do the movies. They're calling for you, bro. Go back on that fucking stage, nigga. Yeah, they're fucking calling for you. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then everybody comes back on stage. Like, that's what I fucking want. Yeah, I want to fucking encore.

[Mecca]

We're going to take a break. And we're back.

[Jamila]

All right, y', all, I'm going to be introducing our segments.

[Mecca]

We're going to switch it up today.

[Jamila]

We're going to switch it up. You know I can't read. We're going to introduce you guys to our segment Spin it where you guys send us your low down, disgusting, nasty drama that you guys having going on, whether that be between relationships, work, school, whatever. And we give you guys advice on how to spin it. Note that we are not PR professionals, but we did study it in school and we genuinely just love this shit. So we're going to give you our unhinged and immoral advice on how to spin your bullshit.

[Mecca]

You did a good job on the intro.

[Jamila]

Off the dome, straight off the dome. Like that.

[Mecca]

Okay, let's see if I can do a good job reading. So this week we have. Hi. I'm a 26 year old gay black man and I'm a go by Anthony. So we've been together a little over three years and it's been my first relationship and for the most part it's been great. Very healthy. They are a little boring and they did some shit I don't like. But hey, it's my man. And we'd always Talk about it, fix it, and move on. So in August of last year, I met a guy at work. And we gonna call him Closet.

[Jamila]

Oh, Anthony. Oh, as in in the closet.

[Mecca]

He's pretty, but I wasn't paying him no mind. Cause he looks straight and I don't talk to anybody at work for real. So I wasn't checking for him, you know. Meanwhile, everyone in the warehouse thinks he's cute. So long story short, I end up training him. We talked, got closer, and. And I ended up catching feelings. Now I'm grown as fuck. I'm in therapy. So, you know, I don't deal with n in the closet. You just don't. At lunch one day, it was me, him and my friend. And after lunch she was like, he was flirting with you? And I was like, oh really? Fast forward to now. We've been flirting, down, down, down. We've hung out, talked. And of course I got deeper into it. Like the emotional and the physical tension is actually insane. Also, I went through his phone and found out he likes me through his notes. So a pretty n I like like me too. I'm locked in. So. So as we've been getting. As we've been getting closer, I've been getting tired of my boyfriend. They're boring. I'm not as attracted to them as I am Closet. And they've just been doing stuff that I can't get behind. For context, they're non black. I was getting macro aggressed by their friends at the time. And they didn't check it immediately, but they did eventually. So me and Closet and our friend hung out yesterday and it was so much fun. And something shifted between me and him. He literally feels like someone I knew in a past life. I've talked to him about my therapist process trauma, and I still feel like this is so it's gotta be something. But also, to be honest, he just started acting right. Cause the first three months or so, he was acting as a closeted man does. And my boyfriend treats me great. There aren't any major issues. They just be boring. And I don't know if I'm feeling it anymore. Also, I've been telling Closet about my boyfriend issues and he's been agreeing that I should do what's best for me and leave them. So what I'm asking is, do I leave my boyfriend and do my own thing while building connection with Closet? And do I just see if things with my boyfriend are gonna work out? Mind you, we're open. So I'm like, we do I just leave Them at home and be with my niggas outside.

[Jamila]

Don't piss me off.

[Mecca]

Hold on, hold on. Let me finish. Where was I?

[Jamila]

Cause that's why you ain't start there.

[Mecca]

That's just a mechan logic. Hold on. So what I'm asking is, do I leave my boyfriend, go do my own thing while building a connection with closet? Do I just see if things with my boyfriend aren't going to work out? Mind you, we're open. So I'm like, do I just leave them at home and go be with n outside? He is in the closet. Yes. But for some reason I'm like, oh, this gon be like a showstopper. Gay guy likes straight guys, Straight guy comes out as bi and they date. But that's just because the show is low key, mirroring our relationship now. So this plus the past life feeling, girl, it's the universe. But you never, you never put anything past the nigga, you know? Also, closet is so exciting. Not just the dynamic, but just like himself as a person. He's very ambitious, adventurous, et cetera, while my boyfriend is the opposite. And I don't want no boring ass nigga. But I don't want to lead them on if I'm not feeling it. What should I do? Thank. Thank you guys. I love the podcast. It's just so black and refreshing. Also, we're all the same age.

[Jamila]

Oh, I'm finna get black and refreshing on that ass thing.

[Mecca]

Thank you, Anthony.

[Jamila]

Anthony.

[Mecca]

Girl.

[Jamila]

Bitch, first of all, let me go ahead and bust that bubble for you right now. And this is me speaking. You know, I have two gay siblings. You know, I have gay friends.

[Mecca]

We be around the community a little bit.

[Jamila]

One thing I do know is that you are in for a very long ride with that DL man. You think that D O man is gonna come out for you? That's the same as thinking that nigga gonna leave his wife for you until he is out. Don't worry about it. Stop it. Comes and dating D O N s. You too old for that. You know what I'm saying? Like there comes a point where. Yeah, it comes to a point where it's like, okay, bitch, be fucking for real. You not. You ain't finna just be talking to no deal nigga. And you damn near 30.

[Mecca]

I do think that you should leave your boyfriend though.

[Jamila]

I do think that.

[Mecca]

I think, honestly, had you just said all of this sons closet, like even without the closet tidbit, I would have.

[Jamila]

Told you to leave him because you're not happy.

[Mecca]

You're not happy.

[Jamila]

And that's always gonna. The thing is like, what the fuck are you still there for? Because clearly you're not. You're not happy and you're not satisfied. Even if you feel like. Because here's the thing that a lot of people, specifically women, get confused. You think because the person is nice and because they are nice to you, that that needs to be your relationship and you are forced to stay around them for a little bit longer. If you feel like they are not compatible to you in the way that you love and the way that you want to experience a relationship, then you are not forced to be with them just because they're nice.

[Mecca]

It sounds like your boyfriend is safe.

[Jamila]

Safe and boring. You said boring eight times.

[Mecca]

You said he was boring so many fucking times. It was not black.

[Jamila]

It doesn't seem like you are into that.

[Mecca]

You had to check them on letting microaggression slide. And this is one thing I really do believe. If you're gonna be date, if you're gonna be loving versus Virginia Hive, you need to be finding them white people who pick up on that immediately. I don't think. I think I. How do I. How do I say this?

[Jamila]

Because you can definitely. Because now you're gonna up. He gonna find out about that deal. He gonna call you a now what? Hold on.

[Mecca]

I do understand that. Listen, hold on, hold on. We could touch that. Just hold on. I think that non black partners can be trained because I do take into account that like you just. If you're not conditioned to look for certain things, you're not conditioned, but it's something that if you're gonna make the choice to be with someone who is of color, who is black or who is black because they're different, you need to have your head on a swivel when you get around white people. So I don't know how it is. Now, you said he eventually checked the microaggressions. I would be interested to know the pattern on that. When you told him this is something you need to be looking out for, did he immediately be like, okay, and you haven't had no problems moving forward? Because I do feel like if you're going to date outside your race, it becomes exhausting to have to be the person of color or the black person checking white people on their microaggressions and sitting next to your white partner, that should be something your white partner, they shouldn't even feel so comfortable to say certain shit when you come in the room. They shouldn't be saying a Period. But you know, we can't control what people do in the house. But I feel like your partner should set the tone. And this is with anything, your partner always gonna set the tone of how you're treated when you come around. They friends, they family. So when people's friends and family are treating you like shit, they're talking shit about you. That's something that I've learned. Don't let none of that shit slide. Whether it come to microaggressions or whether it just comes to like regular, like they're being weird.

[Jamila]

Like, yeah, like. And that's honestly, like, that's just a lesson in general for interracial dating in general, cross cultural dating, which is honestly why I prefer to date black men. Because to be honest, I'm not doing all that. I don't have the.

[Mecca]

If it becomes a lot.

[Jamila]

Yeah. I don't have the wherewithal, the patience to deal with the possibility that one day you'll call me a nigger, or your mom will or your grandma.

[Mecca]

In my experience, my ex is biracial. He had a white father. And so even with him being half black, there were still little things. Like, I will never forget when after George Floyd, if you remember, George Floyd died, Ahmaud Arbery died, then Breonna Taylor, in succession Toyin died, all within like three months of each other. And I just remember they were very much a we don't see color household. And we were not talking about it. This man had five. I mean, although biracial, clearly black sons, they just looked light skinned, like one had blocks. My dude at the time had a fake. Like, it was so weird. And I was like, we're not gonna acknowledge that they're killing niggas outside. And I had to. I called my mom, I said, I just realized that I'm gonna have to figure out how to raise black kids in this environment. You know what I'm saying? And then that's something for me that has made me say, I don't wanna have to deal with that. Personally, me. Cause I was in that situation and I think trying to navigate it, it does. It's a bit exhausting. If you got it in you, love prevails. I understand. But I'm just saying at a point in time where it was very to the neck for black Americans, I peeped that. And yeah, I feel like that's something because I remember I asked my ex, I was like, so, are you gonna say anything? Yeah, are we gonna say anything? And he was like, no. And I said, what?

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mecca]

Oh, okay. So, like, that's something that you really do. Are you gonna deal with it or are you gonna not? It sounds like you don't wanna deal with the microaggressions. In addition to already thinking he's boring.

[Jamila]

I was gonna say it's like there's. I'm not really hearing redeemable qualities of the relationship. That's not to say that he's a bad person or any of these things. It's just. It's clear that this is not the person that is for you. And you. Y' all are open, but you also feel the need to sneak and deek. So there's. There's something there.

[Mecca]

Yes.

[Jamila]

Because if y' all are open, why.

[Mecca]

Are you sneaking around? I was going to say that. So if it's open, I think. Well, what I think it is is because closet is in the closet. And maybe one thing that is known, I mean, even we know it, that DL men are not to be taken seriously.

[Jamila]

Right. But you're being. You're not being open with your partner, and y' all are open. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's obviously some sort of insecurity in the relationship in general. If you feel the need, y' all are open. Okay, if y' all are open, then.

[Mecca]

Why are you not being open about this? I'm saying detail about him being DL might be because you tell your partner that your partner's going to be like, why? Why the fuck are you talking with a DL man? That might be the.

[Jamila]

I wonder if that's a very similar culture in the white queer spaces. I'm interested in that because I don't really. I don't know any white queer people to know how they interact with DL men in their community. Because there's a lot of differences within the white queer spaces and black queer spaces. And so within black queer spaces, I know that there's stigma within, you know, dating DL men knowingly, continuously. Like, you're. There's insecurity there. There's a lot there. And I wonder what that's like in white queer spaces. I would be interested because I've never really heard. I've never even heard white people use the term DL, if I'm being honest. So I want to know. And obviously there are DL white people. I just am interested to know what that's like in that white queer spaces. Let me know in the comments. Do you guys date DL men in the white queer spaces? Is it allowed? Is it frowned upon? Is it welcomed?

[Mecca]

I feel Like, I've definitely heard some of the queens from RuPaul and them make jokes about it. I follow a few Mexican Latino queens, too. And at least I know Latinos also kind of have a similar. Cause they are kind of about. And I was gonna say there's a parallel there. It's a parallel with Latin and black people. But they will. How do I say this? Latin people will date white people. So, like, they'll. They'll be referring to a DL man, and he could be white. You see what I'm saying? That's what I'm trying to say. So. But they have the same idea, and that will lead me to think that it's kind of similar. But confirm.

[Jamila]

Please confirm. So confirm. I really want to know what's going on in the white queer spaces. And what you guys.

[Mecca]

I have one queer white mutual, and. And I. And I love him down.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I have a few queer white mutuals, but I never really hear them speak on.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say, I haven't heard him say.

[Jamila]

What is it?

[Mecca]

But I feel like I have. I have to go. I might ask him just. Cause I'll be like, hey, friend, we was talking about on the podcast. I need an answer.

[Jamila]

Oh, here's the other thing that I wanted to say. You have a warped reality if you think that your nigga is at the same warehouse as you. We talked about this a couple episodes ago. That warehouse coworker Fine is. Is all is on the screen. Have you ever been with that nigga outside of the goddamn warehouse? What y' all doing fucking in the bathroom?

[Mecca]

I feel like you'll. You'll walk out into the normal world and realize he's DL.

[Jamila]

Come on now.

[Mecca]

I really do.

[Jamila]

And, And, And. And this is no shade, but in the year of 2025, there's a reason that nigga's DL. And you can catch it or you.

[Mecca]

Can drop it, you can ignore it, but it flew past my head. I caught it.

[Jamila]

That's all I'm gonna say about that. But, yeah, your nigga is not working with you at the warehouse. That's not him. You know what I'm saying?

[Mecca]

And your man at home is not working either. Hello, friend.

[Jamila]

So it's like you shake him up.

[Mecca]

Yeah, it sounds like you need to demolish. Start from ground zero.

[Jamila]

I don't know where you live, but come on over to Bulldogs. It's a slew of them. You cast a wide net. Pick you up a couple of things. Baby, it's. It's. And, baby, when I went to Bulldogs. I wanted to be a gay man. They are fine as fuck. Everybody in Bulldogs was fine. I'm walking around like I love it. It like so you. You'll find if you want a fine black man, go to Bulldogs, baby.

[Mecca]

You can have one.

[Jamila]

Got eight. They do be fighting. The girls be fighting at Bull. Just go. Just go early enough and leave before. Leave before that time because they. The drinks are strong there. The way they pour them drinks and Bulldogs, bitch. I said, oh, fuck no, bitch.

[Mecca]

You know where you're gonna get a drink? It's a good, cheap, strong drink. It's either gonna be the gay bar.

[Jamila]

Or the old head bar.

[Mecca]

One or the other. If you either gonna party with the. With the gays or you're gonna party with. With the 45 up crowd.

[Jamila]

I choose the gays. You could choose the gays. Yeah.

[Mecca]

I should. It depend on.

[Jamila]

I'll go anybody I love. This is. Now I have to go into my rant about gay bars. I love gay bars so bad. And I remember they were like, I seen this. I don't know if it was a tweet or a video a while back. This is actually before I even ever went to a gay bar. And it was this gay guy or a lesbian girl. I can't remember somebody who was queer basically saying, like, you straights need to stay out of our spaces.

[Mecca]

No, do you remember I was like, mind you. I was crying. No, that was mind you. Jameela's not even really telling the story correctly. I remember because I made a TikTok or a comment about it and y' all had went for Deb's birthday.

[Jamila]

But no, I've seen. So the VR scene was way before I even went out.

[Mecca]

Do you remember they responded to like someone responded to you saying something similar. And I said, damn, if your friend invites you out, you can't go.

[Jamila]

Let me tell you something, you can't go. The first video I saw about this, it was from a white queer person. I do know they were white people.

[Mecca]

Think they the. The leader of make the rules of the gay people.

[Jamila]

I don't listen to white folks in any capacity about anything. So unfortunately, sister, I do be at the gay spots. But again, I am. See, there's a difference. When I think personally, this is me speaking out of turn and it is what it is. I think that there's a difference when you are trying to exploit a community versus being in community with people. I am in community with gay people, and so I know how to respect the space that I'm in. And I know how to not take over that space. You don't see me promoting everybody going to these specific gay spots, like, oh, if you want a cheap drink, come here. Like, I'm not doing that. You know what I'm saying? I'm enjoying this space because I enjoy. I love the queer community.

[Mecca]

But I think you having two gay siblings also, like, you have no choice but to be in community. And I told this story, I've told it on TikTok a couple times. I almost fought a white trans man at my homegirl house because for what exactly what you're talking about white people, full stop. But white queer people think that they're the end all be all when it comes to who can be at shit, right? So in California, I was very. I was in community. I had a lot of homegirls who were lesbian, right? But it's then. But then there's me who's just like, eh, I'll go to the gay bar with y' all kids or girl. But you know, not really. Not really giving that one of. She wasn't my friend, but she was friend of a friend. So. And we were always at each other's houses in our early 20s, we. We hanging out, popping shit, whatever. She started dating this. This white guy who. Okay, how do I say this? Black people. This is not even just queer people. You know, we are politically incorrect in a way. And then just a touch, even when you're politically correct, you're attacking a little.

[Jamila]

Bit of nigga ignorance.

[Mecca]

Nigga ignorance. Even in the queer spaces, you gonna find that nigga ignorance. So something was said and I can't even remember it to this day. I don't know what was said. I was talking about n. I said something and this white man tried to pop at me. I don't know what. He was also one of the. You can't say this. And I was just like. I wasn't even trying to engage with him. Cause I already was picking up what type of energy he was. But then he tried to pop at me. And I remember saying, we just going back and forth, right? He tried to imply that my homegirls needed to kick me out the space since I wasn't lesbian. Now my piss straight bitch out of here.

[Jamila]

He said, hey, hey.

[Mecca]

He said. And then I said, I'm not getting gay, bitch. He said, get your ass out of here now. Peep how I'm respecting his pronouns. I'm respecting his gender identity. And I pissed him off while doing so. I said, I would beat your ass, but I don't fight men. And I got in trouble. I got sent to the room. I was drunk as fuck. And he got so mad. He said I was like, I usually don't fight men, but for you, I'd make an exception because I know I could have beat his ass. And they were like, you're banished to the room until they leave. And they ended up leaving. I never saw him again. But wherever you are, fuck you, I will still beat your ass.

[Jamila]

Melissa told me to shut the fuck up. I didn't say, it's your dad.

[Mecca]

We can end on that. If I catch you outside, I will still beat your ass, sir.

[Jamila]

And I will continue to frequent my gay bars and clubs. Cause just like my person, how you.

[Mecca]

Gonna tell me I can't hang out.

[Jamila]

With my friends and my gay siblings, Bitch? I'm queer adjacent and bitch is gender neutral. That's the.

[Mecca]

Going to take a break. And we're back.

[Jamila]

All right, y', all, we are about to read some of yalls comments, one of my fave parts of the show because we get to read yalls thoughts and things about how y' all are vibing with the with the content. All right, let's get right into it. Kicking it off with spring Spotify. Diane Kapoo said, when we were little, my mama used to call it a wash up. Mm. Talking about that whole bath. Yep. Kayla said, the way I deeply resonated with and the sigma is at the bottom of my goddamn toe. Clock it. If you know, bitch, you know at Chrissy said mecca clock and Mila about seeing a cock ring in real life. Were you silent or were you silent?

[Mecca]

Wait, what did I say?

[Jamila]

She said, you clocked me about seeing a cock ring in real life. And you were like, you see one in real life? And I just didn't answer.

[Mecca]

She didn't answer. I ain't never seen no cock ring for real.

[Jamila]

The Lord Douglas said, all I'm saying is I'm glad I was listening to this episode at home because I was actually screaming, you're welcome.

[Mecca]

And these are the comments from YouTube. Hotgalmia9393 said, My mama used to get so mad when I would dry my hands with the towel hanging in the bathroom. Those are for decoration. Oh, but now, girl, I do the same. This episode was especially unhinged and particularly immoral, but I loved every minute. If y' all clip the dick pic portion, I bet this episode will go viral. Karan09 said, these episodes been so freaked out lately. Sisters, as everything goes.

[Jamila]

I don't know what happened. But you're right, it did get real freaky real quick. I don't know, it was a little.

[Mecca]

Freaky today too, but we were talking more about concerts so we brought it in. We'll get freaky next week again. Jakeya Cable said the title. Got it. Lmao. LOL. Ms. Vernice. Hilarious. Yes. It was called the Cross in my House. Thank you. I wasn't crazy. Got an early morning trip. My parents would be like go do the cross and let's go me a cheap rag. Scrub my skin off. Kgar15 said, Woof. I'm glad I had my headphones in.

[Jamila]

Was that episode this crazy? We were talking about Barnes dick. So I mean that was the. That's how we started. So I don't even know where I.

[Mecca]

Didn'T even the way that Barnes has made himself a part of forever unhinged in the moral lore. And Last one, Monique Malcolm 11 said I heard my name and looked around like Beyonce at the Grammys.

[Jamila]

All right, we got one for Apple and it's from kenleighj. Can confirm. Them Jersey Iotas are built, let me.

[Mecca]

Tell you that Jersey Iota who I didn't even do nothing with him. He's fine as fuck. I ain't never seen Iota so fine. And then I looked at his line in Jersey and them I said they all fine.

[Jamila]

It's something.

[Mecca]

He was fine as shit. Shit. It's something in the water with the. In the centaur piss when Jersey Girl, I don't know what the hell that got them niggas is extra overly fine.

[Jamila]

Oh my God.

[Mecca]

They have to make up for the rest of the goddamn country.

[Jamila]

Oh my God. No, literally, like let's. We gotta fix this.

[Mecca]

We got to do something. Gotta carry most of the weight.

[Jamila]

Well, this has been another amazing episode. I'm gonna give you guys a couple of announcements, church things, and then we can get out of here. We will be in Ohio by the time this drops, guys. We'll be in Ohio speaking at the National Urban League Conference. So super excited about that. And we'll be in LA at the end of July, so stay tuned for those details. Also, we are gonna introduce our intern. Aiya.

[Mecca]

Is she here?

[Jamila]

No.

[Mecca]

Oh, I was like she gonna pop. I thought I had missed something. I said she Aria for the.

[Jamila]

No, I'm just introducing her.

[Mecca]

So we do have an intern. Her name is Aria. She will be doing all the intern things. Super excited.

[Jamila]

Yes.

[Mecca]

Very excited to have reach down.

[Jamila]

Yeah, we got to a point, y'. All. Where we just needed some more assistance kind of getting some stuff out there. So we're really excited to have her join the team. So you guys will be seeing her face. You'll. By this time, you'll have already seen her face pop up on our social media. Make sure you guys give her a follow as well and continue to support the young talent coming up. She's actually coming from my. My graduate school. Not my graduate school, but the school that I graduated from, Georgia State University. So, you know, good little. Good little sister. Sister going on. So that's really dope. Glad we were able to bring her on board. Lot of good things going over here. I hope you guys were tapped into all things that happened with essence. We have more content dropping soon from everything that happened there, but, yeah, that's pretty much it. Make sure you guys go over to our website, unhingedamoral.com to purchase your merch.

[Mecca]

And if you're. If you're interested in. Involved in Black American things. Since we're so concerned about being involved in Black American things and Black American organizations pushing the development of black American people, the National Urban League is a wonderful historical organization that you can get.

[Jamila]

Involved in for the Black American things.

[Mecca]

Instead of getting on the Internet and. And pushing xenophobia.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Do something for the community. Thank you. All right, y', all, we'll see you next time. Bye.

[Mecca]

Bye.

[Jamila]

Unhinged and Immoral is hosted by Jamila.

[Mecca]

Bell and Mecca, produced by Melissa D. Mont and Diamond Imprint Productions, post production by Coco Lawrence, production assistant by Melanie.

[Jamila]

D. Watson, music by Adi and Brooklyn.

[Mecca]

Billionaires and graphics by Claudia Choi.