Cigarette's & Micro Peens | Unhinged & Immoral EP 61

Summary

Unhinged & Immoral EP 61:

Cigarette's & Micro Peens — March 12, 2026

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Production: Diamond MPrint Productions

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Jamila and Mecca lean into their signature unfiltered friendship to dissect internet gossip, pop culture shifts, and the state of Black womanhood during Women’s History Month. The show kicks off with strong opinions on small business crises, particularly the Hanifa fashion brand drama, before journeying through personal and cultural commentary on gender roles, the dichotomy of modern “girl boss” versus “trad wife” ideologies, the nuances of content creator visibility in awards season, and a hilarious, explicit listener spin about exes and “micro penises.” All of this unfolds with a raw, comedic, and sometimes raunchy dynamic, backed by real PR insights and audience chat interactions.

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Main Discussion Sections

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1. Hanifa Fashion Brand Drama & Black Business Realities (06:34–20:44)

• Background: Hanifa, a popular Black-owned luxury fashion brand, faced massive backlash following a Black Friday pre-order sale. Customers paid high prices ($300–$700 per item) but didn’t receive clear communication about shipping delays, stirring up significant social media drama.
• Customer Perspective:
  • Jamila: “I can understand being frustrated as a consumer…especially if you needed it for a specific event…It’s warm outside now, I don’t need my heavy knit sweater.” (15:59)
  • Mecca: “There’s truth on both sides…Six months with no communication? That is an issue…But social media was really vicious, especially on Threads.” (11:14, 12:08)
• Business Owner Insight:
  • Mecca relates, having dealt with supply/demand mismatches in her own ventures: “With a high ticket item…The over [demand]…it isn’t worth it with pre-orders.” (12:09)
• Small Black Business Double Standard:
  • Jamila: “Y’all absolutely do not have the same energy for large white corps as y’all do for smaller Black businesses. And that’s a fact.” (20:08)
• What’s Next for Hanifa:
  • Both hosts agree a pause is necessary for Hanifa’s founder’s mental health and business health.
  • Recommend exclusive, limited drops in the future à la Telfar: “Let it rest. Stack up some product, maybe do a limited edition, a limited sale…Exclusive drops.” (17:58)
• Memorable Drag:
  • Jamila, re: online haters: “Some of you bitches really enjoy the downfall of things…Girl, shut up…Baby, you are so unproductive right now.” (19:02)
  • Both hosts touch on the harshness of capitalism and the pressures faced by small Black businesses.

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2. Women's History Month, Modern Femininity, & Dating Culture (25:43–38:02)

• Intersectionality Praise & Gripe:
  • Jamila celebrates “extending” Black History Month into March as Black Women's Month: “I love being intersectional. It comes with its woes for sure.”
• Patriarchy & Choice in Empowerment:
  • Jamila notes a shift: “I’m watching women’s empowerment be shifted towards...‘I deserve to be soft and feminine,’...Why is it so difficult for the women empowerment movement to be taken as a question of choice?” (27:17)
  • Mecca: “We did grow up with ‘I’m a big boss bitch’... Now, [hypergamy and trad wife content] takes off...” (30:44)
• Cultural/Media Influences:
  • Music, TikTok dating coaches, and “alt-right pipelines” all profiting on insecurities and shifting Black cultural narratives.
  • Jamila: “People are addicted to trying to make money…That’s why Forex was so popular. Not because it was working, because them [people] was poor and wanted community.” (36:47)
• Relatability & Humor:
  • Mecca on finding community in hating things: “When people started coming forward and saying, ‘I hate Dreams & Nightmares [the song],’...that was my time to shine.” (37:10)

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3. Content Creation, Family/Couple Content, & Representation (38:02–50:49)

• Dating Content & Couples’ Content: Love & Hate:
  • Jamila: “I absolutely hate dating tip content…It makes me physically ill.” (40:15)
  • Both agree on loving “authentic family content” versus exploitative child-centered posts and staged “interracial couple” schticks.
  • Mecca: “I do enjoy when evil people get what they deserve…But, I feel like there’s a fine line for family content — some feels exploitative, some feels authentic.” (45:43)
• Blackness in Relationship Content:
  • Hosts prefer Black on Black relationships, citing connection and mutual understanding: “I’m a certain genre of Black that doesn’t really romantically align with anything other than Black.” (49:21)

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4. Black Excellence in Awards Season + Visibility (50:49–64:24)

• Award Show Deep Dive:
  • BET Awards seen as backbone of Black pop culture. Both hosts reminisce on its legacy and cultural resonance: “The entirety is relevant…It’s for us, by us. That’s some FUBU.” (53:27)
  • Emmys and SAG (Screen Actors Guild) Awards praised for peer selection and legitimacy: “That’s your union…the union itself. Usually just homie-to-homie type shit.” (57:31)
• The Problem of Forced “Crossover” for Black Creators:
  • Jamila: “There was a lack of representation of Black creators at the TikTok Awards...it was the Black people who also have a crossover audience. Not us.” (63:04)
  • Mecca: “Black creators’ content goes viral, then white folks do it and get credit…We need a space where what we contribute is recognized.”
  • Importance of fighting for Black recognition at mainstream platforms, not just parallel Black spaces: “Oscars…are a career changer for Black creatives.” (65:31)
• Insightful Analogy:
  • Jamila compares Black artists needing Oscars to regular employees needing promotions and formal recognition within mainstream (white) corporate systems. (67:31)

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5. The Spin It Segment: “I Think I Want My Ex Back (Micro Penises Edition)” (76:12–99:16)

• Listener Dilemma (“Shelly”):
  • She’s considering “spinning the block” for her ex after a string of disappointing situationships (notably, micro penises). Laments how her ex was “immature and childish,” but wonders if second time’s the charm.
• Hosts’ Candid Advice:
  • Mecca:
    • “You broke up for good reasons — he was a bum. Don’t get caught up just because his engagement didn’t work out.” (79:05)
    • “How many micro penises have you come across?...In my years…I’ve come across one.” (80:19)
    • Hilariously descriptive micro penis dialogue: “You’ll know a micro penis when you see one. It’s not just a little penis, it’s micro...like an inch, maybe two...” (81:05–81:18)
  • Jamila:
    • “Why do you want that one back? You don’t want to find a new, good man? You’re not old. Why are you acting like you’re 60?” (84:07)
    • “You left him with good discernment. You just need to live your life, go out with your friends — not because you want to try to snag a man.” (86:12)
• PR Spin Recommendation:
  • If you must reach out, text something breezy, not dramatic. (“Hey, something reminded me of you, how’ve you been?”) Don't make it obvious you're looking for more than closure. (88:12–89:19)

Iconic Quotes & Moments from Spin It Segment

• Jamila: “Shout out to all the micro penises in the world. You do deserve love. It just can’t be by me. I would absolutely cheat on a micro penis.” (83:00)
• Mecca: “You gotta suck a couple micro penises along the way to get to your man.” (85:54)
• [Visual explanation and roast of “smoked out” exes, including detailed boxers commentary and hygiene rumors.] (100:08+)
• Tag team comedy on why the "broke, weed-smoking, gamer ex" is probably not worth the trouble.

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6. Wrap-Up & Patreon Promo (102:44–end)

• Promotes Patreon for live chat, exclusive sidebar episodes, and future merch/live shows.
• Fans encouraged to submit more “gutter snipe” PR issues for judgment.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamp Highlights

Hanifa Drama

• “There’s truth on both sides…people acting like folks bugging out for not getting their pieces. Six months with no communication…that is an issue.” — Mecca (11:14)
• “Y’all absolutely do not have the same type of energy for large white corps as y’all do for smaller black businesses. That’s a fact.” — Jamila (20:08)

On Women’s Empowerment Trends

• “I’m watching women’s empowerment be shifted towards…‘I deserve to be soft and feminine’…Why is it so difficult for the women empowerment movement to be taken as a question of choice?” — Jamila (27:17)
• “We did grow up with ‘I’m a big boss bitch’…Now, [hypergamy and trad wife content] takes off…” — Mecca (30:44)

Dating, Content, and Culture

• “These [dating coaches] are profiting off of people’s insecurities…People are addicted to trying to make money.” — Jamila (36:47)
• “Some people I like. Some people I’d be like, Who? But the episode still be tea.” — Chat interaction (22:15)

Award Show Fandom

• “The entirety of the BET Awards is relevant. That’s some FUBU.” — Mecca (53:27)
• “[Sinners] is huge…Ryan Coogler taking original Black stories to a major studio—it’s not just representation, it’s about Black creators getting their commercial due.” — Jamila (66:26)

Spin It Segment

• “You’ll know a micro penis when you see one. It’s not just a little penis, it’s micro.” — Mecca (81:05)
• “You gotta suck a couple micro penises along the way to get to your man.” — Mecca (85:54)
• “You left him with good discernment…just live your life, go out with your friends…not because you want to try to snag a man.” — Jamila (86:12)

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Conclusion

True to its title, this episode of Unhinged & Immoral is a whirlwind of sharp, funny, and honest commentary on Black business woes, womanhood, dating horror stories, and representation. Jamila and Mecca’s dynamic—raunchy, reflective, and always insightful—keeps listeners entertained and challenged to think beyond the headlines.

Listeners (and viewers on Patreon) are encouraged to be part of the chaos, submit their messiest life problems, and show love for Black creators in and out of awards season. If you like your pop culture mixed with PR savvy and irreverent Black girl magic, this episode delivers.

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Key Segments:

• 06:34 Hanifa brand drama
• 25:43 Women’s History Month & gender roles
• 38:02 Content creation pitfalls
• 50:49 Award show breakdowns & Black representation
• 76:12 “Spin It” segment: Exes & micro penises

Special Mention:
Classic “Spin It” section—unfiltered, hilarious, and (almost) too honest. Don’t miss Jamila and Mecca’s takes on micro penises, ex drama, smoked out exes, and underwear as life warnings.

Transcript

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[Jamila]

She flowing in that cash hall. Walk in the booth like Naomi on the cat bar and tell them from the jaguar. It ain't even right though. Push me and I might go. She ain't getting money. I'm like, what the hype for when the bitches bite flow make my appetite go poof.

[Mecca]

Gone.

[Jamila]

Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them rampant. Okay, y', all, so today we're actually recording the episode for next week. We have a special episode dropping this week, but it is really, really good. I know sometimes y' all don't like our guest interviews because y' all are really rude and stingy and. And bratty and y' all just, I don't know, we be having to really convince y' all to like, like the guest.

[Mecca]

I think this one will be good, though, because it's like, it's informative too. Hey, Taylor. Taylor. Not our manager. Taylor, not our manager commented under. She was in my live and she was like, it was me, not Taylor manager.

[Jamila]

Yeah, Not. I don't. The fact that she was thinking that was Taylor the whole time was sending me. And it's like, at first I thought you thought that, and I was like, maybe she doesn't. Then it's like the more you kept talking, I'm like, this think it's.

[Mecca]

I really thought it was Taylor manager. Like now whenever I see her, I'll be like, taylor, not our manager.

[Jamila]

Okay, so what else? I was just going to say something else. Fuck. So. So, yeah, this. The episode that's dropping this week is featuring Monique Simpson and Kendrick Sampson. The fact that they have similar last names is crazy. So you may be familiar with Kendrick if you're an insecure Stan like we are. He played Nathan on Insecure. And then Monique is the executive director of Sister Song, and Sister Song is a reproductive justice justice organization. Now. Who are they? You absolutely know them because I don't know if y' all seen the clips that went super viral with Clifton Powell cussing Joe out and Joe cussing him back out. Real juicy, tender. Amazing. So we interviewed them about that, like, round Table. It's really, really good. So, yeah, y' all will see that this Thursday. We didn't do that one live, obviously, because we had a. In person, all the things. But yeah, so this one's gonna drop next week, and then next week on Monday, we'll be back to our regular recording schedule. Couldn't record yesterday because I had different things going on. Next thing I know, we can record, and then I'll be having my surgery, so you guys will not see me for a while. Okay. Is y' all ready? Today we're gonna be talking about what the was.

[Mecca]

I forgot we're talking about. Are we. So it's awards. So we're talking about awards season. And dang, when you was talking. I need to get a pen so I can start writing down so I don't forget it. Because I had a thought that I wanted to talk about in regards to Women's History Month.

[Jamila]

Okay. So do you want to, like, have that as, like a. As a nod in this? Oh, we can kind of like.

[Mecca]

Yes, I do want to. I do. I think it's Women's History Month. I think the whole Hanifa thing would be very juicy to talk about because it's been going on for a couple months, and we can give our thoughts and takes about the whole situation and her response.

[Jamila]

Gotcha. Gotcha. So we can start. We can start with our regular. Regular intro. Go into. It's Women's History Month.

[Mecca]

You want. Or you want to do award show first, and then we can do our Women's History Month thoughts.

[Jamila]

We can do Women History Month first and then do a war show. You can go in, you can start, you can leave with the hanifa. Because I kind of only know a little bit once you. And then I can give my response, and then I was gonna.

[Mecca]

I'll explain it to you.

[Jamila]

We're doing the Women's History Month, and I'll. I'll use a different. My little Women's History month nugget. And then we can kind of bounce. And then we'll go into type for.

[Mecca]

For sure. For sure. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, girls. Buckle up, guys.

[Jamila]

Also, we are going to ignore y' all for a second, and then we'll come back to you because I was so confused last time. I was so overstimulated that I could not focus. So we're going to just. But keep. Keep responding.

[Mecca]

We'll.

[Jamila]

We'll be back. Okay, now, Jay, now you can start the episode. What's up, y'? All? Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged in tomorrow. I'm your host, Jamila.

[Mecca]

And I'm Mecca.

[Jamila]

Welcome, welcome, welcome. It is the month of March. I know you guys think that, you know, Black History Month is over, but we uno. Reversed it because we are black women. So we have extended it to March, and it is now officially Black Women's Month. Welcome. I love being intersectional.

[Mecca]

It's so fun. When it's fun most of the time, sometimes it's not.

[Jamila]

Right. It comes with its woes. It comes with its woes for sure. But yeah, happy Women's History. Well, to all the girls, all the women's out there. Oh, to be a woman.

[Mecca]

Oh, to be a girl. Girl world, girl world.

[Jamila]

Now, you wanted to talk about all things Hanifa.

[Mecca]

I did want to talk about Hanifa.

[Jamila]

The drama behind there. Now, let me tell you from my perspective as someone who has never purchased hanifa and also don't know what the is going on, and then you feel. I'm kind of, like, super duper confused.

[Mecca]

Okay.

[Jamila]

So I've have always heard of Hanifa here and there. And I knew. I knew of her designs for, like, the very colorful, like, five boom dresses. Like, yo, that that ass would be poking in them dresses. Right? That's what I remember Hanifa for. And I just never I've always wanted a something from the collection, but I just never went through process of doing it. You know me, I just, I get to. When I get to it, I guess. I guess I'll never get to it. So then the next time, I kind of. I feel like I would always hear about it when somebody would really have something on. And so now the girls was mad at Hanifa. I guess they wasn't getting their, their, their knitwear in time. And the next thing I know, I turned around and she closing up shop.

[Mecca]

What the hell happened?

[Jamila]

Well, y' all is getting hot outside again, which means it is officially tax season. And I'm here to tell you, I am so behind and so an about taxes every year. You know, I am a single mother as well as this is my first time filing taxes as an influencer. And I honestly have been so anxious not knowing what to do. Thankfully, we have found someone to come and help us out with our taxes because, baby, I don't know what I'm

[Mecca]

doing because, child, I cannot go to jail like Wesley Snipes. Okay, I, I tried to go on the website and do a little, little type it in, and I don't think the numbers was correct. So we have hit up our friend Tax Time Tony to help us with all of our tax filing needs.

[Jamila]

Absolutely. And if you're interested in getting your taxes done professionally. Now, listen, I know a lot of the girls and guys be folding their arms up on them flyers to do your taxes. But if you're interested in having your taxes done professionally and legally, please hit up our good friend Tax Time Tony. You can hit him up on his website@taxtime time tony.com.

[Mecca]

or you can hit him on social media, Instagram, specifically at taxtime Tony. Okay, so that is a pretty good summarization of what's going on. I still have my morning voice. I feel like Beyonce. Beyonce.

[Jamila]

I love morning voice. I wish I was sick right now. That's when my voice is real sexy.

[Mecca]

I feel like it's a little, ah, gonna seduce somebody. Anyway. Okay, so Hanifa Kusi has been wearing Hanifa since basically her inception, like, since we were in college type, you know, she's definitely introduced. She's a fashion lady. Right. So I always have been exposed to Hanifa. Hanifa pieces. I've gotten to see them, feel them. All the things up close and personal with Hanifa. I've never personally purchased Hanifa. And the crazy part is I. I was gearing up to make my first anifa purchase. Because you know how when it's like

[Jamila]

weren't we all, you know.

[Mecca]

No, no, dead the fuck. Because you know it's like oh, when I start making money there will be signs and something that I was trying.

[Jamila]

That was going to be your sign.

[Mecca]

That was going to be the sign. You know, like I'm laying down the sheen, I'm laying down the fashion nova. I'm getting into more sustainable clothing. I've done my research and I was like I have a list. And I also want to be really intentional. I only specifically wanted to wear black designers and or POC designers to like the events we have to go to. Just like I was, I'm trying to be smart and just very intentional with what the I got going on. So Hanifa was at the top of my list just because I know it. I Kousi wears it all the time. She has so many Hanifa pieces. That's the thing. So she. Girl, girl. So Hanifa had a Black Friday sale. It was a pre order sale. I didn't participate in the pre order sale for this exact reason. Typically when you're pre ordering something, it's

[Jamila]

not, you're not gonna get that baby for a minute.

[Mecca]

And I think the other pieces, Hanifa shoppers who shop Hanifa constantly like Kousi kind of knew that. Now granted this was like a group

[Jamila]

of a whole bunch of new Hanifa

[Mecca]

shoppers and that's and, and just from my perception, not only a whole bunch of new Hanifa shoppers, it's a sale. But then Hanifa's pieces are anywhere from three to like $700. So she's not cheap. That's the, that's the other piece here. You're not buying fashion Nova. So. So I, I didn't know she was

[Jamila]

up there, you know.

[Mecca]

So the thing is there was truth on both sides. Cuz I feel like people acting like folks bugging out for not getting their pieces. Six months with no communication time frame

[Jamila]

had they received their. So so this, you said this is a Black Friday deal. So before Christmas.

[Mecca]

Before Christmas.

[Jamila]

And when have people received.

[Mecca]

So as of right now, I was going to say as of right now everything has been shipped out. Now initially when, at, at the beginning of the year when the rumblings first started happening. Right. They. Because, because the customers had not received any type of text message or any type of email. That was the. So that, yeah, that was the initial email is that it had been like two, three months and no one had really heard anything. Then when it started going up on social media, they said she offered refunds. They said she started communicating.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mecca]

And the thing that I want to say is like something that I've experienced, you know, with the spa and selling the weight loss kits is that is a high ticket item though. That's anywhere from, you know, two to three hundred dollars. I have experienced the same thing with the first time we did a sale and it just the over. I did not have enough supply to meet the demand and I had to reach out to people and I had to manually put emails in. I had to manually copy paste. Like it is very tedious, but it is one of those things that you learn with trial and error and having that experience. It really isn't worth it with the pre orders or it isn't worth it to do things where, you know, you don't have nearly enough to feel to fill the, the orders because it's just going to be a pain in your ass on the back end, I think. And I think that's what she kind of realized. So it's a couple things. It's breakdown in communication, it's a lack of grace that people give black women because I absolutely see that as well in terms of, you know, this, this isn't uncommon. I'm telling you. I've experienced like this isn't an uncommon experience with business owners or a single, you know, like small business owners. And so social media was really vicious, especially on threads. Threads is like a whole nother world. I felt like people were making good points. I felt like some people were just trying to shit on her. A lot of commentary coming from people who had not purchased or you know, saying like that whole thing. But I do want to reiterate, I think when you have high ticket items and 2 to 300 is a lot of money, I don't care what anyone says. Like I, I don't care how much. I don't give. How if you a big boss, I'm a big boss. 2, 300 is a lot of money. I'm not gonna act like it's not. And you have to think people are ordering multiple pieces. So who's to say like three to five hundred orders? I haven't heard from you in three months. That is an issue. I just think that the way that the. It just, it just went so far left though. It went so, so far left. And so basically yesterday she put, I

[Jamila]

was gonna say her going bankrupt, is that a result of all this or was this already in the works?

[Mecca]

I thought that was slutty vegan who went bankrupt.

[Jamila]

Oh well, stop.

[Mecca]

No, no. Hanifa put. Hanifa put. And mind you, she also just had a baby like through three months before this. She's, she's has her second new baby.

[Jamila]

I'm confusing all the, you confusing all the businesses.

[Mecca]

She ain't gone bankrupt. But she did, she did put out

[Jamila]

that she shut down production.

[Mecca]

She's shutting down production indefinitely. I think the thing that people always misconstrue with indefinitely is it doesn't mean forever. It can mean, and definitely, yeah, a double entendre. It can mean two different things. For right now or forever. She's going to decide. And she made a whole little thing as to why indefinitely.

[Jamila]

Because I saw the slideshow, didn't read it.

[Mecca]

It's bigger than fashion for my sister. It's bigger than fashion. It's bigger than fashion. And I, and it was more across like this experience being a new mom, everything she has going on. I made a video on Tick Tock yesterday where I said, you know what? I think it takes a person with great discernment to know when to step back. And I think what, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes. And she said this in the slideshow. So sometimes people keep going to just prove that they can. And it's like it's a lot of time. It's not about that. I do think whatever she chooses to do, whether she brings Hanifa back or whether she goes another direction, this decision, although it seems abrupt and crazy right now, is going to serve her in the long run.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I think that now that I have all the nuggets and the pieces and the juice, now I can comment. I think that yes, 2 to 700, because you said range was 7. That's, that's a lot of money.

[Mecca]

A lot of money.

[Jamila]

And I'm, I'm not commenting on that because I mean your price is your price, especially because the, the pieces look thick and high quality. So you know what I'm saying? That's, I'm not even going to comment on that. But as a consumer, yeah, like I want my. And, and that is a reason why I'm not a pre order girly as well. Because typically I'm a last minute shopper. And so this is a personal decision for me. I'm a last minute shopper, meaning I don't have time to pre order because I kind of needed that next week, I kind of tomorrow, you know, so I can understand like just having to wait a long time for something that you pay a lot of money for, especially if you were, you needed it for a specific event, a specific season and things like that. It's like, well, sister, it's warm outside now. I mean, I need my heavy, my heavy knit sweater now, you know, So I can understand being frustrated as a consumer and I can also understand being a businesswoman being like, well, I didn't know all you was gonna order. Give me a break. But at the same time, because you are business, you do, you, you have a responsibility to uphold your standard and all the things. Something I absolutely would do if I was her was that I would shut shit down too. Because Everybody shut the fuck up right now. Because I just need a break. I need a minute to breathe and catch my breath. Especially because it's not, we're not dealing with a major corporation here. We're dealing with, you know, a relatively in, in relation to corporations, a small owned business, right? So it's like, yeah, I think that a halt is really good and I think her just flat out addressing the things is really good if we're talking like the PR ness of it all. And I think what will really, really be super dope for her is if she just lets it rest, let it breathe for a while. Like, like don't rush back into things. Let that breathe. Stack up some product, right? Take the, the revenue that you have currently, stack up a couple of product and maybe do a limited edition, a limited sale to where it's like if you get it, you get. If you don't, you don't. Exclusive drops. Exclusive drops are like some Telfar shit.

[Mecca]

Remember how Telfar used to be?

[Jamila]

Exactly. Do an exclusive drop and dedicated to people who have already purchased to you before or people who have never gotten a chance to purchase with you before. I think either or could be really cool and can bring back up that rapport for you so you can show that you're listening and that you care. I think that'll be super cool. I think it's really just a learning experience for everybody. But I will say some of you bitches, and this is not even exclusive to the Hanifa situation. Some of you really enjoy the downfall of things. And yeah, people, yeah, watching people get overly excited to be like, oh, and I couldn't wait for this bitch to crumble. I couldn't wait to just add on to it. And oh, I never liked Hanifa anyway. Oh girl, shut up. Because I've seen some videos of bitches say I never even really liked Hanifa. It ain't even really all that in it. Girl, shut the up. Ain't nobody ask you all that. A got nothing to do with the conversation. Baby, you is so unproductive right now.

[Mecca]

Yeah. I really hope she comes back better.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

And I. I just have to reiterate. She literally just had a baby.

[Jamila]

Oh, so how fresh is that baby?

[Mecca]

That baby was three months. Like, three months when all this started happening. That baby is fresh as.

[Jamila]

Actually, that baby just started just like,

[Mecca]

literally just got here, which is also. And it's her second baby. Because if I remember correct, the other day, they both little. They both little. So it's to me, I was like, okay, this makes a lot of sense because all things considered, plus you're a new mom to little babies. It makes sense. But I think another thing, I think with Hanifa, she has been so big and so, like made such a splash on the scene in the last five years. Like, remember during COVID when people could not have fashion show? She's the first one who did the virtual, like, walking with the clothes on, like, on her. Do you remember that? This is her. She started that. So I think people, because of her impact, think that she's this big corporation when she's not. And they're. And they're treating her like she's an lv. Like, you know, like a Chanel. Like she has this machine.

[Jamila]

They wouldn't do LV like this. And we have proof of that because these larger corporations have done similar things. Like, they might complain for sure. I'm not saying people don't complain. They do. People are always going to complain. And I implore people to never let go of your complaints. I am a complaining ass bitch and I never will let that go. However, y' all absolutely do not have the same type of energy for large white corpse as y' all do for smaller black businesses. And that's a fact.

[Mecca]

So that is offending. But shout out to her, I hope

[Jamila]

everything goes well and I hope y' all get y' all dresses. Them expensive ass dresses.

[Mecca]

Listen, listen.

[Jamila]

But one thing about me, and this is no shade to anybody involved. You way too long for me. I'm just returning get my money back. I ain't got no time for all this video.

[Mecca]

Alexia made. Like, y' all making these videos. Like you couldn't just call your credit card company?

[Jamila]

No, literally. And it wouldn't have been no discussion. You wouldn't even hear about.

[Mecca]

So that's my whole thing. Also, I would have never even made a video. I would have simply called Chase okay, yeah, go ahead and send my new card.

[Jamila]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, I'm gonna go to the chat real quick. Let's see which. Oh, it kept refreshing.

[Mecca]

Hold on. Oh, y' all are typing fast, y' all.

[Jamila]

Type it. Everybody shut the hell up real quick. Let me catch up. Let me see what the hell y' all talking about. I like the guest interviews. They be fine. You freaked out, ain't you? Come on, Nick.

[Mecca]

Who you want?

[Jamila]

Who you want the most? Taylor said, hey, well, well, well, Tell us who it is precisely here for y'.

[Mecca]

All.

[Jamila]

They be all right. Oh, my God. Okay, hold on. Is there a way I can pause the chat?

[Mecca]

No.

[Jamila]

Okay. I just scroll down, like, making. No, it kept. It wouldn't, like, stop moving, though. But I think it's because it's. They thought it was going to type. Okay, let's see. Kendrick, like. Like green eyed Kendrick.

[Mecca]

Yup.

[Jamila]

That's the one green eyed man that I usually love. The gas. Nick says, see, I'll be getting all the fine people.

[Mecca]

What can I say? I love to be surrounded by fine ass, don't you?

[Jamila]

I mean, you know what I'm saying? It just don't happen to work out.

[Mecca]

And that's why when some of you ladies be acting like that, it's like you ain't never been around no fine ass in your life. Because if you had, you wouldn't act like that.

[Jamila]

Mo says, some people I like. Some people I'd be like, who? But the episode still be tea. I'm crying.

[Mecca]

No, for real.

[Jamila]

Like, one thing about it, you may not know him, but give us a chance. It's gonna still be good. Trust us. We get. We ain't gonna just give y' all no. Come on now. Y'. All. Y' all know us. Taylor said, as soon as I saw Joe, I said, oh, this for sure is Mecca, homeboy. Lol. Are y' all gonna do a sidebar with Joe? We definitely need to. Joe is such a hoot, y'. All. Yeah, Tierra said, when are we gonna get the full spinning episode?

[Mecca]

That would be a Patreon exclusive, though. That would be a Patreon exclusive. Let's see.

[Jamila]

Mo said, ooh, my supervisor moved the meeting to 145. Oh, girl, that job.

[Mecca]

Tell them to come into.

[Jamila]

Come into the job. Let's see.

[Mecca]

Jam, you reading all the comments? Mind you, I've been keeping up with them. You about 75 comments behind. Girl, it's a lot. They been. They've been commenting like you can't read all Them, you got to just scroll to the bottom and see.

[Jamila]

I just. I just kept saying it'd be too much. And I wanted to give y', all, y' all shout outs. Mo said, I adore Cooy. We love Cooy.

[Mecca]

That's my sister Taylor from Love is Blind.

[Jamila]

Put me hip to Hanifa. Oh, yeah, she. She was. She was definitely rocking the.

[Mecca]

The Hanifa and so. Oh. Oh, yeah. Tyler. Tyler.

[Jamila]

What did I say?

[Mecca]

You said Taylor.

[Jamila]

My bad. Hey, Tyler. Hanifa seems to be worth the money, though.

[Mecca]

I mean, I will say it's good quality. Oh, and this is another point that I want to make about the Hanifa stuff. People were like, it often needs to be tailored. Alexia also made an excellent video. We have to have Alexi on sidebar very soon because I think she's so freaking smart. She's literally so smart.

[Jamila]

So good. She's a lawyer, isn't she?

[Mecca]

Yeah, she's a lawyer in real life.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

But the thing I'm going to pause because my family is downstairs making noise and it's like, holy distracting me. Hold on. I can be a little ghetto, but I'm going to mute it.

[Jamila]

Let's see. I'm still reading some of Yalls chats too. I think we've gotten used to the quick turnaround in recent years as well. O, that is a thing for sure. I think with the. The increase of online shopping, especially Amazons of the world, that one day shipping, we have got that prime. And I can't lie, I am spoiled.

[Mecca]

I'm sorry. It's my mic back on.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Can you hear me? Okay, cool. Yeah, let's see.

[Jamila]

I love the down. I only love the downfall of evil people. Facts. I do love that.

[Mecca]

No, I enjoy when evil people get what they deserve.

[Jamila]

I do enjoy that. As a matter of fact, I will relish no shade. But I'm confused why she doesn't have more people making these garments now. It takes money to do that, though. And she may not have the infrastructure to be able to pay those people their worth. And so sometimes it's. And then also there may be a learning curve to, like, teach people. Like, it's a lot that goes into it like a child. But I feel you that I think that that's an investment she's gonna have to make in the future. Expanding so much. That is definitely something she's gonna have to look into. For sure. For sure. Since it is Women's History Month, I want to talk about putting women in charge more.

[Mecca]

I love that shout out to the big boss.

[Jamila]

Absolutely. I think that we are still under the neck. Not under the neck. We are still under the foot of the patriarchal structure. Right. Which we all know. And I think that in recent years, because relatively speaking, women have started to kind of level up. It feels as though we have a level of equity, but not quite. And just watching how people discuss women leading things is very interesting to me because it's like, oh, not only are we as a country, nation, globe, still not dismantling patriarchy, there are so many women that are also drinking that Kool Aid.

[Mecca]

Oh, talk.

[Jamila]

And it is very disturbing to me. And the way in which that manifests a lot of times is in dating preferences and dating conversations. I am so intrigued by, like, the. The trad wife of it all being very popularized because when I was growing up in the early 2000s and even into the 2010s, being the head bitch in charge. Just the way that culture shifts is interesting in it.

[Mecca]

Shout out to Tiffany Poehler, hbic.

[Jamila]

Hello. It was a thing. There was like, there was a moment in time where. And I'm not saying either stance is right or wrong. I'm just observing. I'm an anthropologist at the end of the day, right? There was a point in time where it was, I don't need no man. I am a one woman band woman power. I want to be the head of a corporation. I want to do this. That was like, that was the women's empowerment. And now I'm watching women's empowerment be shifted towards. Actually, I deserve to be soft and feminine and I deserve to not have to do anything. And I deserve to be led by a man. And I deserve to be able to stay at home and watch my children. And it's so interesting because I wonder why it is so difficult for the women empowerment movement to be taken away and isolated from the idea of choice versus this is what women in power looks like and should be, versus women empowerment really should be. You actually get to choose what you want to do.

[Mecca]

Right?

[Jamila]

And both. And that's why they're both extreme, right? Because that may not also work for everybody either, right? Being like, head in charge. Like, I wear a suit every wear. You know what I'm saying? A, I never. I never even want to date.

[Mecca]

A. Yeah, yeah.

[Jamila]

Versus oh, darling, this dress. I made it. Those hamburger buns. Hub, scratch my children. Ten of them.

[Mecca]

Ten of them.

[Jamila]

My man tells me what to do. Like, yeah, Those are both the extremes. And it's like, I'm just. I want everybody to take A break.

[Mecca]

I think it's like with politics, though. Like, if you watch political trends, there's always a pendulum shift. So if it's like two presidencies, a Republican, it's going to switch back to Democrat. That's why even though Donald Trump is like an. We're. We were on track to switch back to a Democratic president anyway. Because if you watch the trends of like, the elections, it just goes back and forth. And I think if we're making the root of everything dating preferences, we did grow up with I'm a big pussy boss bitch, right? Gaslight, Gatekeep, girl boss. I think what happened with that, though, in terms of dating? You have a lot of men from that particular generation, early millennials, I would say, who were not the best partners to their women. And I think people, a lot of girls our age grew up watching our moms, our aunts, our older cousins, deal with men who, one, didn't think they had to do certain things because their lady was that type of lady. And two, didn't want to. Didn't understand it. Like, I think you can draw it back to, like, Gen X aunties. I think Gen X men are terrible. Like, no, no. Tino Shade. Like every Gen X man that I have come across, not even just dating. Like, I'm talking about people in my life and I see the relationship dynamics. Like, you have the boomers who were still a part of that generation where you take care of your woman. You do supposed to do Gen X came with the big girl. They're a different type of. And then don't even eat. They think, they think they gonna run you, and then they don't. It's a whole thing. Like, you get to like, I'll be damn.

[Jamila]

The lay down.

[Mecca]

Like, put your face in my leg.

[Jamila]

Shut the fuck up.

[Mecca]

Like, and then you get to like, millennials and early millennials who are still a, like, offset of that generation. And you think of like, every terrible man who, like Ray J. Or like, I don't know, what's that white man named? Dax Shepard, Kristen Bell's husband. It's just like them, the women, and they don't see a problem with it because they're. They're so far in the big pussy boss, head in charge type thing. So it's like they got with men who. It's like, I don't even want a man who's too alpha or whatever. So now you see that dynamic and you're growing up and you're like, I hate that, actually. And then also, I would Argue specifically in the black community. I all my culture and my TL's everything black. The rise of female rap and the popularity of transactional relationships in music and culture and media. Slowly though, because if you think back to Trina, that's the late 90s, early 2000s. And you go through the whole past 26 years of like female rap and what that looks like because you had the Queen Latifah saying one thing in the 90s and then we hit the year 2000 and the whole completely changes up. It goes from like I'm a black woman, ha ha. To like nigga, pay my bills, eat my pussy, what's up? Like I think also what we're being fed in social media is and just media in general, movies, music, all the things is contributing to how we got here. And again I say black people are culture because the whole trad wife, maybe it was going on on white Tick tock or white social media. But I draw to during the pandemic. Shira 7 getting popular, all the hypergamy, everyone's inside trying to figure out how to get some money because nobody got no jobs. And all of a sudden we start seeing these hypergamy coaches pop up. Oh, you need to be feminine so a man can pay your bills. I know, I was watching, I'm just telling what I was doing. I was like, oh, what the fuck? And then you see this trend on Tik Tok, that a boom. It takes off. Now you got all the dating coaches, like there is a pipeline. There's been a step by step. You can like trace it.

[Jamila]

It's all connected, it's all interconnected. These people, whether they don't get doing it intentionally or not, this is what's happening. Yeah, they are profiting off of the insecurities of people. If you face a level of insecurity, maybe you have had a rough experience with dating or you just have low self esteem and so you don't necessarily know how to put yourself out there. These videos, these trends attract you because it gives you a sense of not only belonging but like almost like a step by step like course. Like you, you, you're, you are longing for instructions on how to live your life. And when you have low self esteem, you can get warped into any and every talking point. And so that's why those alt right pipelines also work on black people. Because people be confused. Like how is it? It's because people have low self esteem and are lacking community and are lacking checks and balances. Okay. And so you got to Think about the people in your life or the people that you've come across who they already have low self esteem, they don't have a whole lot of friends and, and family watching over them in that way and they are looking validated with something. Right? So imagine you feel some way. For example, let's use the hanifa. Let's, let's go backwards real quick. Let's say you really don't like Kanifra. Like, like the designs, right?

[Mecca]

Right.

[Jamila]

Let's say you hate the designs. It's just not. This is not your tea. But you also don't have community to agree with you. You don't have a lot of people to agree that you dislike hanifa.

[Mecca]

Right.

[Jamila]

And so you keep it to yourself. But then one day someone comes out and says hanifa did this. They did not ship my dress on time and I got a gala to go to. And so you sit on it for a second because you're like, okay, I don't know if it's safe yet. But then you find somebody else who has a little bit more confidence than you and they're like, man, Hanifa. Anyway, so now they got you and then they start talking about Hanifa, Hanifa, Hanifa. And it's like, okay, I'm finding this because I too agree that I hate Hanifa. And then they start giving you other things to, to tap into and now you're trapped right into it. That's how happens because even with the, the sheer seven, the Kevin Samuels, the new who took over Kevin Samuels? I don't know but he, he wear a suit just like him, the glasses just like him. And be saying some of the same. It's always going to be a replacement. All of these people alike. Again, sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's not. Sometimes people are just trying to get their content off. Sometimes people just trying to make a little buck. Right. So I don't, I can't speak to the intentionality necessarily these people, but I can tell you that the reason that they are successful is because of them using people's insecurities and kind of stoking at that. And it's almost like a level of exploitation too because it's like, you know that there are people within certain demographics that are more or more likely to be insecure than others, I. E. People who are plus size, people who may suffer from acne, people who are within poverty, specifically poverty. You tell a who broke they can get some money on by doing these three Easy steps. Oh, you got them for life. Because people are addicted to trying to make money. Because, of course, we're like, under the. The trap of capitalism, right? So it's like. Yeah, let me. Let me tell you. That's why Forex was so popular. Not because it was working, but because them was poor and wanted community.

[Mecca]

You kind of ate that up. Hey, listen, I too, have found myself in not the pipeline, but finding community and hating something that the masses hated. Like, no shade. When people started coming forward and saying, I hate dreams and nightmares. Oh, my God, the best thing that ever happened.

[Jamila]

That was your time to shine.

[Mecca]

That was my time to shine. I've always hated it. And because of peer pressure, I learned the song because at the peak of the song, I was at hbcu. I had no choice but to learn the song. But I hate the song. And I'm so happy that I can say it in public. I'm so happy. It's not the most popular song in the. In the world right now. It's not the representation of Philly. And I think that Meek Mill is a little strange.

[Jamila]

Fries in the lap, you know, and

[Mecca]

that's literally what I thought of when I. When I think of this or I recently saw him holding a weight. It's just like everything he does is just like, why are you doing it like that?

[Jamila]

What are you doing? Just a bit odd. He's just.

[Mecca]

He just always be doing something.

[Jamila]

Yeah, he's. And it's like, is that the Philly way? Like, what's. What's up with y'?

[Mecca]

All?

[Jamila]

Like, no shade to Philly.

[Mecca]

But I don't know.

[Jamila]

Sometimes I be really like, yo, what's going on? How do I make this stop when I'm scrolling? Show on. Oh, what the.

[Mecca]

Oh, my God.

[Jamila]

Can you see that?

[Mecca]

Yeah, it's on our screen.

[Jamila]

Oh, my gosh.

[Mecca]

How'd you do that?

[Jamila]

Wait, I don't know. Get away from here.

[Mecca]

Okay, Jamila. Just pressing buttons, y'. All. Wait, wait.

[Jamila]

I thought it was gonna make this chat sit still for a second while I was trying to read, you know, what Nick said every day. I'm glad my parents were. Respectability, Talented black.

[Mecca]

Let me. Let me respond to Nick. I do enjoy that I have one of each because I know both sides, so it's easy to really get in there and. And give actual commentary that isn't just leaning so far to one side. Because I do feel like both sides be making points like, no Shade. Yeah. People be trying to eat the talented 10th up. Some points do be Being made sometimes. Some points be being being made sometimes.

[Jamila]

Mo said having a boomer parent. Oh, I don't know what she said about having a boomer parent.

[Mecca]

It left having a boomer parent. Just having a boomer parent. That's it.

[Jamila]

Just having one is. Is really important. Let's see.

[Mecca]

Ain't for the week. That's what I'm saying. You just gotta just go to the bottom. Jamila. Because they still type in.

[Jamila]

But I wanted to read some of the ones that didn't get read. I wanted to give them their shout outs.

[Mecca]

Like, you're not watching it. They're typing like as we're talking still.

[Jamila]

I know, but I'm trying to go backwards and like read some of the things that they were saying so that they can get their little moment. Taylor said, as a military girlfriend jump scare, I wouldn't even tell my followers I'm the type of relationship because I don't want to add to the Tom. I don't even make dating content at all. I hate any and all dating content. That's something to know about me. I absolutely hate dating content. And when I say dating content, I don't mean the girls who be like, oh my gosh, get ready for me to go on a date. Like, that's cute. T. Okay, whatever. I, you know, I love the dating wrapped. Oh God, my God.

[Mecca]

Shout out to Winnie. Congratulations on the baby. Y' all will not make me hate her. Like, sorry, she's love it.

[Jamila]

I love cuckoo. You know what I'm saying? I love all of that. But the people who specifically make dating tip content, and it's always to me, it's like, shut up. Shut the up. I don't want to listen to you. It reminds dating content of people giving tips. Reminds me of that girl sitting at the restaurant looking over her shoulder waiting for a to pay for that tab that made me physically ill. Don't ever.

[Mecca]

It was so embarrassing.

[Jamila]

Show me that again. I said, oh my God. She said, spots my target.

[Mecca]

Oh, someone said they hate couples content. Really?

[Jamila]

I. It depends. For me, I like some couples content. I don't like. I don't like super staged corny couples content. I'm sorry, so you were happy Chrissy

[Mecca]

and Desmond got divorced?

[Jamila]

Oh, well, no, that's not. I actually followed both of them for a long time. They're an og, they are coupled type of thing.

[Mecca]

I was always.

[Jamila]

I didn't necessarily care for their skits though, because it's just like, okay. But it was just like, whatever. It wasn't like overly Done to the point where it was like, they're making up completely fake scenarios. It was just silly. So it's like, I can ignore the silly. I didn't necessarily like the silly either, because it's like, it's corny to me. But that, you know, I. It wasn't enough for me to be like, ah, I hate them. It was just like, they were still cute. I like the, you know, idea of them, and I enjoy people, like, celebrating the black love of it all, you know, like. Like, for example, Keith Lee and Ronnie Lee, they do couples content, but they don't as well.

[Mecca]

It's not the center.

[Jamila]

Right. They just incorporate their family into the content. And I really enjoy watching that. Like, I love a family. Oh, I love a family.

[Mecca]

Are the only ones that have a good grasp. And I would even argue, even though I know they each do like different types of content, I would still label them like a family content, couples content type of situation.

[Jamila]

Oh, that's a family dynasty.

[Mecca]

Like, that's a dynasty. And I like what they.

[Jamila]

And then they got the cousin.

[Mecca]

I really enjoy what they've done. And. And, yeah, they are the only ones that I feel like, you know what? This is palatable to me because as someone who literally hates couples content, like, I can't stress that enough. I hate couples content. But when I watch their videos, I don't watch. I watch more of the baby videos. I like that they give me. I have, like, choice.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

There's all the things they have choice with them. They're all of it.

[Jamila]

They're all the things I. I live for them. We're mutual. Shout out to y'. All.

[Mecca]

Yeah, we are.

[Jamila]

Y' all just built amazing. I don't know when and how I' ma go visit, but, baby, I need me a seat.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And I need to come take a tour around.

[Mecca]

I'm also going to steal the double staircase because that is. That eats.

[Jamila]

It's beautiful. And I just love that they've. They've been able to build their wealth from just being a happy black family.

[Mecca]

Like, someone. I know you don't want me to do this, but I think it's a good point, and I know it's going to disappear. Corey said, I hate family content because it is. They're essentially exploiting their children. And I just want to say I do feel like there's a fine line to walk with that some, like. And this is a personal thing with me. I can. I watch people and I'm like, this feels exploitative. And then I watch some People and I'm like, this doesn't. And I really think for, for me it's the fact of. Sometimes content comes across like I'm making this video and my baby right here. Because in reality my baby is right here versus some content comes across as I propped my baby up and I'm taking the video of my baby. But it's a very. It is. It's a very thin line. It's a very, very.

[Jamila]

I feel like you can also tell when people are forcing their kids to do certain things that it can be like funny or entertaining. Like some people's children are just naturally have personalities and want to be on camera. I can't remember her name off the top of my head. Where mutuals. Black woman, short hair. She has a daughter who wears glasses.

[Mecca]

Oh, I know exactly who you're talking about.

[Jamila]

Super cute.

[Mecca]

I know exactly who you're talking about.

[Jamila]

For me, that feels very authentic because first of all, her child is of like talking age. Like she has her personality and all the things and it's like you can tell that she's not making her daughter do all the things. Like they just have a very solid relationship and she's kind of just. There's. I thought there's a difference between like using a glass, like a glass door, like I'm just showing you the things that could happen already versus like I'm painting a picture for you. And when you start painting that picture with your children and they may not always have the opportunity to agree or disagree. And then on top of that, the ones who have those really big ass families with like 10, 11 biracial children and each video is about the fact that they have 10 or 11 biracial children.

[Mecca]

Isn't that one particular family that's not even. There's no. There's a couple. There's the one who's half Indian and there's the one who's white. You. You sent you. But you did just send some direct shots. I don't know the family names honestly, because I scroll right past because I don't like that. I, I don't think. I don't like.

[Jamila]

When I'm uncomfortable.

[Mecca]

I'll be like these kids, these non black eyes.

[Jamila]

There's, there's. Their eyes are.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Right now they do not want to do this.

[Mecca]

I'm also not a fan. Since we're talking about content couple, content couple couple, content. Sorry, that was dyslexic. Sorry. I really don't enjoy over loving versus Virginia content.

[Jamila]

Oh, I absolutely hate it.

[Mecca]

I now you know who I love? We all love a Needs for speed. Lauren and Cameron. My God. On today, Love. The best thing love is blind ever did. I love an interracial couple, even in Nickelandria, where it is simply just a fact. But it's not what the Just so happens that my man is white. Like, it's not even a big deal. Like, it just so happens that my man is white. Like, please, I hate I. The content, where it's like the center of the whole thing, like vanilla and chocolate. It's just like, oh, my God.

[Jamila]

Or. And there's. There's a thing that. That'll happen sometimes, and this is why I'm gonna save that comment for another time. But there's a thing that happens sometimes, specifically when the dynamic is white woman, black, black boy, where they black boy ify them, if you catch my drift. And they almost kind of will put them in positions.

[Mecca]

Oh, the black wife effect.

[Jamila]

No, no, no, no. White woman, black boy. And I said that specifically because the white woman will black boy ify that black man in the way in which they participate in their content. So sometimes the white woman will be like, I'm just a little white woman, and this big black man is just gonna come see big black cock. I love my big black. I love my big black. It just kind of gives that. Or it'll just give. Like, this big black nigga does whatever I say. It just. And I'd be uncomfortable. I'd be watching. Yes. And there's unfortunately a lot I can do about it because that big black boy be sitting up there, just go, black ass. Damn. Oh, it don't be nothing. I just be watching.

[Mecca]

Like, yeah, I'm not.

[Jamila]

But, hey, shout out to the interracial couples. Y' all have done some right in the world. You know what I'm saying? I will. Halle Berry.

[Mecca]

Oh, yeah, Halle bear. I do. I do. Watch this lady. She's Hispanic and her husband's Nigerian, or he's Ghanaian. I can't remember which one. But she basically learned how to cook all of his food. His. His cultural food, which is really interesting. And I think that when. If you're gonna make it the center, give us something that is actually tangible and worth a damn to hold on to. Because I feel like cooking the food. Anyone could do that. You know, it's not cringe. It's literally like you got the people commenting like, oh, did that right? Or next time, do it this way. Or it's like you're involving us in a way that is tangible versus Just saying, this is my black over here.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And that can also be like across cultures and ethnicities, not just race. Like, for example, like, if I was to like data Nigerian or a Jamaican, like they have different cultural foods than my black American ass. So I think that that also kind of like takes away like the race play of it all and kind of just like dives into the like cultural exception acceptance and like inclusion of it all. And I think that that's cool, you know, like, yeah, do that now. Me personally, y' all already know me. It's gonna be black.

[Mecca]

Oh, absolutely.

[Jamila]

You know what I mean? And you know, like, and that's no shade to the white boys. I think white boys be cute. I am just, I am a certain, I'm a certain genre of black that doesn't really romantically align with anything other than black. I'm like, like extra black, culturally speaking. I just don't think that.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I don't think we would have a lot in common. No. It's never been appealing to me personally. And I said that someone who dates the diaspora. I enjoy dating black people from other countries. I think it's really fun for me. I learned so much and I learned how different we are.

[Jamila]

I have too much experience with that. Not on purpose, just.

[Mecca]

Just having happenstance.

[Jamila]

I really don't. Haven't had too much experience dating other.

[Mecca]

It's just beyond some like, damn, we're so different, but we're so the same at the same time. Like that. Truly every experience has been, wow, our cultures are so different, but we're so the same. This is so cool. That's why the diaspora wars, like are just so stupid to me because it's like, yes, there are clear differences because like we're different but like foundationally do be on the same. You see what I'm saying? Like so.

[Jamila]

Yeah. But speaking of blackness and all things black, black people have really been chewing this award season up.

[Mecca]

Shout out to the cast of Sinner single handedly carrying awards season. Yes.

[Jamila]

What is your favorite award show?

[Mecca]

This is so ish. The BET Awards. I have to be honest about the BET Awards. Now I can, I'm such a BET Awards fan that I can mark like the peak, the decline. And now we're going back up again. And it's like for me, I grew up sitting there watching it. Remember when Michael Jackson, Monique, Beyonce, like all the legends really used to show up. I think obviously it's a pendulum, like I said, but I hope that with what is happening and what has happened at recent Award shows.

[Jamila]

Oh.

[Mecca]

Oh, Well, thank you for calling me a.

[Jamila]

I'm sorry. Mm.

[Mecca]

And we didn't have. Do you see how there was not anything to facilitate and protect both me and Jamila in that moment? There was just camera and lights and an audience with the chat. Remember inward. Remember Nigger Navy On Twitter. That was an excellent night on Twitter. The children don't even know. That was an amazing night. Shout out. The chat just brought that up. Nick just said that. Thank you for that. I do think that what we're going to see is a resurgence of the big A.

[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

I mean, we see. We saw it with NAACP Awards this year. I think we're gonna go back to. To our roots and have the big stars back at the BET Awards. Now, BET does have to do their part and facilitate a proper award show because in the last decade, that on their end has. There has been the decline. But I. I see good things happening for the BET Awards. It is my favorite award show simply because it is so black. And there's not a point. You know how, like, when you're watching the mainstream awards show, it's like, oh,

[Jamila]

this is the black part.

[Mecca]

I'm watch this. And then when someone else start talking, okay, I'm gonna go get some food or something. You are tapped into the entirety of the BET Awards because the entirety is relevant. Like, there's a gospel category, there's a pop category, there's an R and B category, and all these people, even the little skits that they used to do back in the day, like, obviously iconic. Everyone knows mo' Nique dancing. Like, Beyonce. Like, that was culturally relevant at the time to what Beyonce was doing. Like, and I love that because that's for us bias. That's some fubu. And I just enjoy all Fu Boo type.

[Jamila]

Yeah. I feel like BET Awards is definitely probably my favorite award show as well. Specifically be. Because I remember its inception versus all the other award shows. I. They've either started way before me, or I kind of just randomly stumbled upon them at some point. So I feel like I just was. I was there from the beginning of the BET Awards, and I've seen every single one of them. And I remember growing up watching the BET Awards with my family. Like, it was a whole Thing like, they would announce it like, oh, the beats. Oh, it's gonna be a good one, baby. This is gonna be a good beat. Awards. And it was less about the awards and more about the entire program of the BET Awards, which felt so special to me, versus watching something like the Oscars, where the awards specifically is the. The part that you are looking forward to. Like, who is going to take home the Oscar. Right. For the BET Awards. It was such a culture moment from the beginning. So even when they started at doing the pre show. Yeah. The very end. Where them Replay it. Replay it. Or go to the back when they used to do the. The after part for the BET Awards, like, it was just a whole thing. It was a time where all of the black stars across media. So that's film, television, radio, all of the things they would get together and just like, it would be like a homecoming almost. And I think that I. I love that. And I've always just could not wait to be a part of it. And I'm praying to the gods that I'll be there this year.

[Mecca]

We'll be there.

[Jamila]

And I think that I. I think that we will.

[Mecca]

I think we will.

[Jamila]

So I definitely say the BET Awards is one of my faves. But as far as, like, acting awards specifically, I would say between the Emmys and the SAG Awards, I feel like with the Emmys, there's so many different awards that I think also gives a lot of black people a little bit more of a chance to win the Emmys, specifically with television. And I feel like television is. So we've seen a resurgence of television, so.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

I don't know. Back in the day, being a TV actor was. You were looked down upon by the film actors. There was highbrow and low brow. Right. And the highbrow actors did television, baby. I mean, they did movies, baby. I am a film actor versus television actors. And so as time shifted and series became more important and became more culturally relevant, TV actors got to be a little bit more revered, especially because film actors recognize. Hold up. These TV actors is making a little bit more. A little bit more money because they're working a lot more. Yes.

[Mecca]

And they're on TV every week versus once a year. Exactly.

[Jamila]

So then they wanted to start moving towards television because they would have a consistent job, but not only a consistent job, maybe a consistent schedule. And so then I feel like TV started to be reigned supreme. So I just love that shift and. And that moment of it. So I love the Emmys for kind of just like, recognizing that element of it. And honestly, the image just always seem a little bit more fun than the Oscars. And then with the SAG Awards, I love those specific. Or the. They just changed it to the Actor Awards, but whatever.

[Mecca]

Her mama named the sag. Her mama named the Screen Actors Guild. I'm gonna call the Screen Actors Guild.

[Jamila]

I enjoy that award specifically because you're voted on by your peers. It's usually a little bit more fair because it's like, baby, I see you, and I wanted you to win. Yeah, this.

[Mecca]

Me.

[Jamila]

It's me and you. It's. It's your union. Yeah, it's the union itself. So I. I usually like that. And it's usually just like homie to homie type shit. So.

[Mecca]

Yeah, no, I would. I would definitely say the SAG Awards or the Golden Globes. Shout out to this. First of all, rest in peace to Catherine o' Hare o'.

[Jamila]

Hara.

[Mecca]

She. She posthumously won a SAG award this past week. Also, the studio, which is the show she won for shout out to Seth Rogen. He sends me THC drinks sometimes. They did a reenactment basically, of the Golden Globes and the way. It's what I thought it was, but the confirmation, because I literally read an article about how, like, they recreated the whole Golden Globes and how it was so accurate. I was like, oh, my God, I have to get to this award show. Yeah, it's. I think when you're watching it, obviously on the screen, you don't realize how intimate. Like, to your point about the Screen Actors Guild, it's not a whole bunch of. In that room. Like, but what with the Oscars and the Grammys, it is because people get tickets, people. But with the Golden Globes and the SAG Awards, like, that's like you said, that's your peers. That's. That's not a whole bunch of folks. That is like a ballroom. Like, that is. I went to, what is this, the Urban League Winter Gala this year, and it's something like that. It might be 200 people in that room. Yeah, I want to be there. So then you can walk around, mingle, talk to folks like, oh, my God, have a good time, get some drinks, open bar.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Like, being. Being around your peers in the industry that you are a part of is always, to me, going to be very fulfilling and fun. And it's almost like a taking a deep breath because you don't have to perform as much. And I think that that's really important. And I think that we need more of those for black People specifically. Last year I went to the trending up conference where it was nothing but influencers who specifically also work in advocacy, right? And so there was a level of that, right? It was like, oh, like we're all creators. Like, we can all kiki about just creating content. But then there was the black creator room. Baby, we had us a time in there, okay? And if, you know, you know the things that were said in that room, you know what I mean? Like, you just kind of had to be there. And like, we were literally talking about how, yeah, we need, need this for us. Like, yeah, we need more of this for us. We need more black community networking spaces for black people in the entertainment industry because we are still kind of trying to fight through it. And even when we go to like these larger events where we're all, yeah, we might all be in the, in the industry, but we need out.

[Mecca]

We.

[Jamila]

We need our hour. So.

[Mecca]

Because I also think, you know, as, as two ladies with a niche black audience, I've, you know, we've joked about, I've said I want to only I really want to be black famous. I don't really want to be overall famous because I'm able to go into rooms, go into the grocery stores. And yeah, not everyone in here knows who I am. But you, the across the room sees you and it's like, oh my God. And just because that might be the dynamic doesn't mean that your impact isn't important. And I think that we have so many black famous people who, their impact cannot be argued, but they will never be recognized by a mainstream establishment. Which is why I, I agree we need much. We need more. Not just one, not just two. We need more sectors of maybe like, like influencing radio where, where you're. You're recognizing these black people who have made strides. Because I'm telling you, as someone who's been on Tick Tock for years and years and years, five, six years at this point, what happens is, goes viral on black Tick Tock. And then white people see it and they start doing it and they get the credit for it. And we, I mean, the dancing was a big thing. But that's not just with the dancing. It's with the beauty. It's with the commentary on going on. It's with. It's with a lot of. There's been times where I've seen a white bitch regurgitate exactly what I said in my video. And it's just kind of one of them things like, oh, you seen what I said? You know what I'M saying, so you. And you got way more views than I did on my video. You see what I'm saying? So I was like, I need. I need us to have a space where, like, what we contribute is recognized and really given the credit that it's due and deserved.

[Jamila]

Absolutely. And, like, because even they had a TikTok awards, first of all.

[Mecca]

And I didn't see not. I didn't see not nary.

[Jamila]

I didn't even know about the TikTok awards until it happened. And I think that that's kind of the point. Both Mecca and I have a very large following on TikTok.

[Mecca]

Right.

[Jamila]

And the fact that we didn't even know that there was a TikTok awards happening, I think is. Is a slap in the face. But not just us, right? It ain't just we. Not what was us. What was us. Right?

[Mecca]

What was us.

[Jamila]

There was a lack of representation of the black faces and black voices of Tick Tock in that room. Did they have black people there?

[Mecca]

Yes, but it was a couple.

[Jamila]

If you were to. If we were to ask y', all, who is your favorite black creators? None of them was there.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And it just is what it is. The black people that they had there, for the most part part, were the black people who also have a. What you would call crossover audience. And that's by design. They didn't have our black asses up there. And that's not. And that's not shade to the black people that they did have up there. I'm just making an observation.

[Mecca]

And. And that happens all the time. Yeah.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Because even when we, like, let's zoom out to, like, say, the Grammys or Golden Globes or any of these other, like, major awards that are not specifically centered around black folks, when they do veer these opportunities and give opportunities to influencers to do, like, red carpet coverage and things like that, what do they look like?

[Mecca]

Oh. Someone in the chat said, mo, did lavelle go to the Tick Tock Awards? I don't even think Lavelle went.

[Jamila]

I lovel.

[Mecca]

Yeah. And that. And that's our point. I feel like I would have saw that. That's our point. We would have seen that.

[Jamila]

Over a million followers.

[Mecca]

Yeah, that's exactly what we're saying. But to the point of, like, not even. Not just getting invited. We did not know. We seen. We seen the Tick Tock red carpet and said, huh?

[Jamila]

I said nothing.

[Mecca]

Oh.

[Jamila]

Oh, so me.

[Mecca]

Huh? All right.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

It's.

[Jamila]

It's just.

[Mecca]

No.

[Jamila]

And the funny thing is white folks really be thinking they slick about like you think we don't know what the is going on. We are simply not addressing that's going on. We notice it all the time. Like we know what's going on. And for me it's not even about seeking white validation. And I say this all the time. When we start having a conversation of well, this is why we need to divest from the Oscars to begin with. Okay, now hold your horses, hold your horses. Listen, it's not about just creating our own right? It's not just about that. And I'm going to say this every single time. That's exactly what the they want us to do is relinquish our power within this space that they have created that's now a part of our industry. Whether we like it or not. The Oscars are not just awards, just willy nilly, right? When it comes to the the Oscars as an Academy Award in film, being nominated and being awarded an Oscar absolutely changes your trajectory later. So think about it in terms of corporate, right? When people win employee of the month or people get bonuses or people get promotions that looks better and that help hopes their career the next time they're trying to apply for a job, right? So if I am a director and my movie gets nominated for an Oscar the next time I'm pitching my movie to another major network, I can use that for my benefit the next time versus never being recognized by any of the Academy Awards. It's hard to get these studios to know your worth as a black artist because they're racist. We gotta keep it a buck. They don't understand the value in black art. That's why what Sinners did is so huge. Because not only is it a black director, a black cast, a black ass story, but it's an original IP that to get a major studio in the time where we are where they really only want to push things that are part of the the recognized IP such as like the Marvels and the book stories. That's, that's the state of film we're in right now. That's the popular film arc right now, right? So for Ryan Coogler to take an original idea that is centered around blackness and to be able to take that to a movie network and for them to give him the adequate budget to make that work, that is huge. He would not have been able to do that had it not been for his commercial success before. So yes, it is absolutely important that we keep forcing them to make sure that we are also represented in these major Awards, awards ceremony so that we can get our due, our due diligence and our justice and our money. You also are able to renegotiate your contracts as an actor. When you are nominated and winning awards, you think that Grammy, not, not Grammy, that Oscar award winning Denzel Washington is going to be paid the same as someone who does not have an Academy Award. And a, and a, a resume is his. You out your mind. Yeah, we gonna get that Oscar.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Wasn't that good?

[Mecca]

You made shout out to Taylor. Jamila did make several points.

[Jamila]

Michael B. Jordan, I'm rooting for you, please.

[Mecca]

I want to say when they were talking about how he. One of the twins has a dimple because of how he was holding his face and the other one doesn't. I love when people start doing their Oscar campaigns and their cast members are in on it. It because I said, oh baby, that just added to his Oscar campaign. Seriously?

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Just like I found out that Norbit ruined Eddie Murphy's Oscar campaign for Dream Girls. I didn't know that.

[Jamila]

Which it's funny and it's not funny

[Mecca]

at the same time.

[Jamila]

I seen. Listen, there is a gentleman on Tick Tock who often makes takes that I completely disagree with. I'm not even going to say his name for. But if you know, you know, he made a video talking about, oh, Timothy Chalamet is going to deserve the Oscar more than Michael B. Jordan. And here's why. He basically tried to explain that just because Michael B. Jordan played two characters and just because he did all these things doesn't mean it was a better performance. Here's the thing though. First of all, what you deem as a better performance of an actor is obviously subjective. Right? And I. And if you truly in your heart of heart parts, you watch Sinners and you watch Marty supreme, you feel like Timothy was a better actor than that. Cool. Like, I don't really give a. But for me, what I really dislike is when people try to discredit all the things that a person has done to elevate a performance just because they liked another performance better. You're not about to sit here and tell me that all the things that went into Michael B. Jordan's performance does not matter and should not be put into consideration for that performance. It absolutely does matter. This played two different characters that were twins that looked alike but. But had to be different. Right. He had to memorize lines for two different. Two different characters in one movie. This was wearing different shoe sizes so that they could walk differently based off of their own personality. This was made his face different so that one of them had dimples and the other one did not. This had completely different Personas for these

[Mecca]

two different recognizable Personas. Recognize. I think that's the other thing. Iizable it what it didn't.

[Jamila]

And not because of the words and

[Mecca]

not be it because he literally embodied a different essence with each smoking stack.

[Jamila]

That matters.

[Mecca]

It matters.

[Jamila]

The same way it matters that when Jamie Foxx won that Oscar for Ray, it's because that nigga became Ray Charles. I think he's still Ray Charles. It became him.

[Mecca]

And I'll be yelling out, gang, gang.

[Jamila]

Nothing matters. Are you gang bang.

[Mecca]

I'll be outside with my gang, gang.

[Jamila]

Like, I hate when people try to. All of a sudden now when the black actor is up for something, now you want to. Oh, well, that's what. What it's. That's what being an actor is. That's what they're supposed to do. Oh, now y' all want to say that's what actors do. But if a white man was to get up there and do the. That these black folks do all the time, y' all would praise it. You want to know how I know that? Because y' all do it every single time a white actor says that they're method acting. And this, again, this is no shade to the white. I love some white actors. Leonardo DiCaprio is one of my absolute favorite actors of all time, and I will always praise that. But y' all are not about to sit here and tell me me that the things that he does to become a character is. Is all well, and we should be. Should be praised. But then when we talking about Michael B. Jordan, dwarn, the first twin characters, and it's not good enough to. To win him an Oscar. Y' all can go to hell.

[Mecca]

Suck my dick.

[Jamila]

I really hope he gets that Oscar just off the strength of what he was able to do and what it will do for us to come and just off. And I'm sorry. No shade. Black people have been snubbed so much that, yeah, y' all gonna have to make up for some. Like, y' all gonna have to give us some retribution Oscars.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And I don't care if didn't deserve it. That's like when O.J. got off. All right, well, I mean, what.

[Mecca]

You know what's crazy?

[Jamila]

I don't know.

[Mecca]

Parents who were, like, alive during that time, and that was like, literally the sentiment. Like, y' all have been lynching black people for how many years? Hello. We're gonna Take this one.

[Jamila]

I mean, it just is what it is.

[Mecca]

And then for the to write if I did it, girl, OJ Is not in heaven. He is not in heaven. But

[Jamila]

what do you want me to do about it, man? I'm sorry. Like, yeah, if. If some black people win awards that they don't deserve in the next couple of years. I don't give a.

[Mecca]

Unrelated.

[Jamila]

I. I literally back to the Tourette's of it all.

[Mecca]

Jamie Foxx saying he did that under the video is still so. Or he meant that had me crying was funny.

[Jamila]

It was just the blackest response that I've ever seen.

[Mecca]

Jimmy Fox always be in someone's comments. Like a uncle. Like, I love that. Like, he's so funny. I love that our stars act like our parents because it's like they're of the same generation. It's so funny.

[Jamila]

Once they start getting to a certain age, they stop trying to like be so like polished.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And they just start being their black ass self.

[Mecca]

Yeah. It's amazing.

[Jamila]

I. I love like Halle Berry on Twitter.

[Mecca]

Hilarious. Denzel just in life. Him getting up and walking across the court to DAP LeBron up and.

[Jamila]

And nobody checking him.

[Mecca]

And mind you, he's in his uncle hat just. And.

[Jamila]

And he baby, he had that old that Frank Lucas walk on.

[Mecca]

Hey.

[Jamila]

And went to sit the down. I love him.

[Mecca]

Mama Tina 17 times a day on Instagram

[Jamila]

reposting everybody else's videos.

[Mecca]

And the fact she still like it's 2010 because remember the repost app? She won't let it go.

[Jamila]

I was gonna say. I don't even know how she's doing this.

[Mecca]

I didn't know you could still do it like that.

[Jamila]

It's. It's amazing.

[Mecca]

I love it.

[Jamila]

I'm like, yo, she's so cute.

[Mecca]

Would she be telling us Beyonce and Solange be like, mama, it's too many. I know they be.

[Jamila]

Oh God, the way that at the end of the day, that's just Beyonce and Solange's mama is so funny because it's like that's still a mother daughter relationship. And if you know, you know, like I know they get on each other's nerves and that to me is just funny.

[Mecca]

Someone said Taylor said mech. Are you going to try Miss Tina's gumbo at the rodeo? I absolutely do. Plan I. Oh, I forgot she was doing it. Yeah. I read the matriarch. So I read all about the gumbo. Now I wanna. I was just thinking about this when I saw it. I said, you know, people don't take into account when you're making things at a massive level, it's never going to be as good. It's when you're making it in your kitchen. And so I kind of want to taste it, but I'm gonna hold it like two, you know, like. Like, same thing with patty pies. Patty pies were good, but I always was like, I know when Patti LaBelle is making this sweet potato pie in her kitchen, it's eons better.

[Jamila]

Her hands. Those are manufacturers.

[Mecca]

You see what I'm saying?

[Jamila]

It's like, we gotta tweak it a little bit.

[Mecca]

We gotta just be realistic about some things. So if it's still really decent, it makes, it's gonna make me be like, oh, you wasn't lying. Your gumbo is really good. Good, because I'm already putting this. I'm like, this is not really your gumbo. This is your gumbo, but it's not really your gumbo.

[Jamila]

Right, Right. I need some gumbo right now.

[Mecca]

That would take.

[Jamila]

Somebody make some again right before I get. I don't even know. We don't have time to make any.

[Mecca]

You know, I saw, I saw. Oh, I definitely have to get some crawfish this week. I definitely have to get.

[Jamila]

Somebody was just in Texas getting some. I need to figure out. I'm not going to have time. I'm about to have my surgery, too. Me, bro.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Anyways, y' all ready to spin it?

[Mecca]

Let's spin it. All right, so this is our segment. Spinning. It's where you send Jamila and I your low down gutter snipe. Disgusting, very messy situations for us to give you a PR spin and a bit of advice. Now, do keep in mind that Jamila and I are not PR professionals. We just studied communications in undergrad and we do love the un the unethical nature of pr because it's like whatever is going to get you at your pickle dick. Now remember, if you want to send us your situation, you can email at Unhinged Immoral Pod gmail dot com. Do not forget to include your race, your ages, your sexual orientation. If you're a man, you do need to include your height and your political affiliations. I do have to say, a couple weeks ago, I said you guys had not been sending us enough disgusting situations, and you absolutely rectified that. You guys have been really gutter snipe lately. And I love it. It Jam, what do we have this week?

[Jamila]

The title of this spinat is I think I want my back.

[Mecca]

Let's go and you're going to get him. You're going to get them.

[Jamila]

Hello ladies. I really love this podcast and both of you so much. I wish I could tell you all the ways and reasons I do, but I have important business to handle. I'm 26, almost 27. I've been single for about three years now. A a couple couple now a couple semi serious situationships. But know what I'm in love with? I've been thinking about my ex pretty much non stop for a year now. Me and my ex were friends in college but started dating shortly after in December of 2020. Then we moved in together April of 2021. That was the first mistake. I was only 23 years old and he was 26. He's funny, understanding and overall sweet person. When we lived together I realized he was very immature, very childish. He played his video games and smoked weed all day every day and I didn't think it was going to be a problem for us until it was. Then of course that led to financial problems because then of course it led to financial problems that caused me to panic. I wasn't matured enough to communicate my feelings. Add on to the fact that I started having nightmares about getting pregnant by him and not knowing how to do so. I told him I didn't want to renew the lease. I thought maybe he'd tighten up hope. Nope, he folded and I ended the and I ended up breaking up with him. I just wanted him to grow up and prove he loved me enough to be a better man. Fast forward to him getting engaged not even a year later. Oh, I was not expecting that system. Not gonna lie, that hurt me a little bit, but it's mostly my pride. A mutual friend of ours told me that he called off or delayed his wedding with no explanation. And then my ex randomly removed me as a follower on ig. I'm not trying to break them up if they're still together, but if he's single, I want another shot. I want to know if things have changed for him. And honestly, if not, I think I'm mature enough to now tighten up with with myself. I am so sick of all the liars, cheaters and micropenises this in the current dating pool I've dated. How many micro penises you done came across? I've. I've dated a decent amount of men since him and I've realized he's a lot easier to fix than a lot of them. His family loves me and my family loves him. I never stopped loving him and I've always missed Our friendship, my pride has never let me spin the block. Please tell me how I should go about this. P.S. sorry if this is long and all over the place. Place. Sincerely, a loyal fan. Shelly.

[Mecca]

Shelly.

[Jamila]

Sister, you may not like what I have to say.

[Mecca]

Shelly. Belly. Belly.

[Jamila]

I'll let you start.

[Mecca]

You won't let me start.

[Jamila]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go ahead.

[Mecca]

So logically. Let's just go logically. Before we go into the PR spin, the first thing that stuck out to me was you broke up with a 26 year old man because he smokes weed every day, plays his video games and y', all, you said y' all jointly had financial issues and it seems like you don't have financial issues now, so I'm gonna assume he was the cause of that. It seems like you broke up with him for very, very good reasons. And then he got engaged the next year, which is obviously a blow to the ego. I too have been so sick when I saw someone who I broke up with or didn't want to deal with pop out with a new and it's really just like, you're right, it's an ego, it's a pride thing. Then that engagement didn't last. He called it off. My first thought was, oh, the new saw that he's a bum. That was like my first thought. I. It wasn't on. No. Miraculous. The timing, divine timing of like, oh, I'm gonna get my back. It was like his new was finna lock in and said, oh my God, nigga, you're a bum. The same way you said he was a bum. Right. Second question. You can tell us this later. How many micro penises have you came across in the dating pool? Because that also was like

[Jamila]

you said

[Mecca]

micro penises as in plural. And I have to be honest, I, in my years in the field have come across one. But again, we've been at this for like a decade. I can't. You know what?

[Jamila]

I've seen a micro penis in real

[Mecca]

life and I said I was on my.

[Jamila]

What do you quantify as a microbe penis?

[Mecca]

You will know a micro penis when you see a micro penis. It's not just a little penis, it's a micro. I micro penis is like, this is so bad. I feel so bad about this to this day because the man was like, nice. And when I saw it, I said, I have to go home.

[Jamila]

Give me a visual. Give me a visual. How big was it? What are.

[Mecca]

Wait, this is probably the penis.

[Jamila]

And from your knuckle to your knuckle.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I, I Honestly thought he was a grower, not a shower. So as, like, things were progressing, I was like, oh, okay, it's just gonna get bigger. It never got bigger.

[Jamila]

Do it again. Hold on. Do it. So from where to where?

[Mecca]

And this is like, the balls, and it perches up on the balls, and it's just a little dinky. It's like that. This is so, like, an inch, maybe two. It was really bad. It was really small to me. Like, I almost screamed, and I literally was like, oh, my God. I'm about to start my period. We're moving too fast. I just started saying to cut up out of there.

[Jamila]

Somebody said, I've seen one micro pen peanuts. It was small and skinny. It looked like a mini highlighter.

[Mecca]

Like, they literally. They're literally so tiny. They're like, this big. His was kind of fat, though, so. Yeah.

[Jamila]

Oh, okay. A little choed.

[Mecca]

A little. I wouldn't even say. I want to say it's slightly smaller than a. Being a sausage in length, but, like, that's kind of what it reminded me of. I just simply said that wouldn't. Even if I were to do it, that wouldn't even count as a body. I'm not catching. Like, that would just be like. I know. I. And this is.

[Jamila]

I would have to scissor.

[Mecca]

Like, not even on. No. Your walls are gaping open. I'm not gonna be able to feel that.

[Jamila]

Like, if it's. Because it's like, it's not even the size of a table.

[Mecca]

Like, I can't feel. And you know you can feel a tampon. You can bear. Like, if you put your tampon incorrectly, you can barely feel it. So it's like. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, micro penis side chat. Shout out to all the micro penises in the world. You do deserve love. It just can't be by me. I would absolutely cheat on a micro penis.

[Jamila]

Oh.

[Mecca]

Or I would make him wear a strap on.

[Jamila]

I think that's worse.

[Mecca]

Is it?

[Jamila]

What if I love him? Damn.

[Mecca]

No. What if I love him and I want to be with him? I'm just like, I need. You have to wear a strap that. And we can get, like, a realist.

[Jamila]

He would just have to be okay with us having an open relationship.

[Mecca]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamila]

Like, I think that that's.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Or like, a poly or something. Yeah. We have to be Polly.

[Jamila]

Like, we would just have to. Because you know what I mean? Like, and. And I'm very. Okay. I'm. It was about to get really, like, ignorant.

[Mecca]

What if he, like, eats you out good, though? Would that make. No, no, that's. That's not enough. Yeah, it's enough.

[Jamila]

Not enough. It is for me personally. And that's why I said I'm. I'm about to go into a territory that is. Is not acceptable. So I'm just gonna stop it there. I'm gonna give my.

[Mecca]

Are you gonna call the micro penis a vagina? No.

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No.

[Jamila]

I'm just. I'm just not even gonna. You know what I'm saying? It's just done. Just done.

[Mecca]

End it. We can't afford to get. Can't. We haven't got canceled this year yet. So we are. We're trying to. 60 days without getting canceled back to what we were talking about.

[Jamila]

So this is the question that I ask people anytime they say this sentiment. Why do you want that back? Back? Like. And that's not to say that, like, even if he was a good man, like, okay, why do you want that one back? You don't want to find you a new good man. A different good man.

[Mecca]

So she's tired of dating.

[Jamila]

I. I think that. And it's just like, we'll get over it, sister. It's too damn bad.

[Mecca]

She's scarred and traumatized by the micro penises she's seen.

[Jamila]

Girl, get over it. You're not that scarred, okay? You have life to live. You are not old. Why are you acting like you're 60? You girl, you have so much life, so much experience left. Like, I don't understand wanting to go back to a relationship that didn't work. Forcefully trying to get him. Forcefully trying to get back into a relationship that doesn't work. I understand sometimes people get back into relationships. Like, you know, you just so happen to like, never really stop communicating. Whatever. That's not the case here, though. Not only did you dead stop communicating with this. He unfollowed you. You made you unfollow him back. Got a new. Got engaged. Whatever the happened with that engagement is really none of your business. It does not matter. It has nothing to do with Yalls relationship. And I'm. And I'm not saying that to be rude. I'm saying that to say, like, that's not. Oh, this is my chance to. To come get that back. Why are you trying to go get that back? And you left him. I can understand if you up, right? And you. Damn, that was a good. And I really up and I need to get him back. That's a different conversation. That did not. And this. It's not to shade him. But he was not your. He was not your man. He was not your person. And so you left him. You had good discernment to do that because he did not have the qualities in which that made sense for you. Because if he did, you would still be with him.

[Mecca]

Right? Right.

[Jamila]

And so now you're going through the woes of dating. Yeah, sister, that's what dating is. You thought the next you was gonna meet was gonna be your husband. What, you thought this was a rom com?

[Mecca]

Sometimes you gotta suck a couple micro penises along the way to get to your man.

[Jamila]

I don't know about that. Listen, it's okay that you are tired of dating. You don't have to actively date to be dating also, you know what I'm saying? Like, you do not have to actively be on the apps and trying to like, rush and like, you know, I need to go to this singles event. I need to go to this speed dating round. I need to go to the club and make sure. I'm trying to find a. Slow down, calm down and just live your life. You can do it.

[Mecca]

You.

[Jamila]

You can date without actively forcing yourself to date. And I think that that's what you need to do recenter. Your focus, okay. Your focus should not be all on trying to find your next. Okay. Because clearly you settle too fast. And that's no shade. Been there, done that. That's why I, I. Could we see each other, sister. I can call it out because I, I know. So you need to calm down and slow down. You need to experience life, go out with your friends just because you want to go out with your friends, not because you want to try to snag a there. And that's checking up on you.

[Mecca]

Cool. But if not cool, you know, you

[Jamila]

know, get off them apps because you, you're, you're too, you're too, you're too invested in finding a man. So I think you need to step away from the apps if you're on there. Live your life, go to events, see things, do the things. And that's not saying. It's saying trying to find the.

[Mecca]

And just them. Just them?

[Jamila]

Yeah. Like just. Have you, have you ever tried to just have a friends with benefits situation just so you can get your rocks off, but then like not have any feelings attached?

[Mecca]

It's really fun when you, have you

[Jamila]

ever gone on a date with somebody, realize right then and there they're not your man. And if. And you don't even have to go forward to, to being exhausted with them, you can just leave it right there. There.

[Mecca]

Literally my allergies are killing me right now.

[Jamila]

You could do that. Like, you can go on a date with somebody. You can even have a good time at the date, be like, yeah, but we just. We're not compatible. So I'm gonna leave it right here. And it'd be no hard feelings. You don't have to. You don't have to stretch it long to the. To the point where he pisses you off and now you're having to recover from a situationship. We don't even have to let it get there. I'm just saying I do want to

[Mecca]

give you a slight PR spin if you do run the block back on this, which I think Jamil and I can both touch and agree we don't want you to. And I think you don't even need to think too deeply into it. One thing I have been known to do back in the day, in my former life, I don't mind texting a nigga. Like, dry texting. Like, we haven't spoken in years. I was like, what's up? How you been? You know, people still have the same number, and I think it will give you the answer that you want, because since he removed you from Instagram, it just. He probably knows that you removed him from Instagram, but if you try and reach out to him on Instagram, it's gonna be like, oh, she knows I removed her, versus if you just text him directly. It's more of like, oh, she just texted my phone. If he responds, okay, you can proceed. If he doesn't respond, you have your answer there. Do I think you should do it? No. But I do think if you're looking to, you know, a little temp check, get back in contact with him. I think you got this number. Just text him directly and say something like, really very. Not generic, but, hey, I was thinking about you.

[Jamila]

Not like, hey, I miss you.

[Mecca]

No, yeah, yeah. Just like, hey, I was thinking about you. Have you been. Like, it can just be something really very simple. Like, definitely do a little intro since you haven't spoken to him. Just like, hey, you popped into my brain. Or, hey, I saw something that we did here, and it made me think of you. Have you been it? You said you were friends at one point in time, so an introduction or, you know, a greeting like, that could definitely work. Work because of the friendship aspect. I know I do that with my friends. Like, oh, I saw this. It reminded me of you. What's up, girl? Like, I do that a lot now. So, yeah, I think that could work in your favor.

[Jamila]

Point is Always something like, funny too. Like, especially if y' all haven't talked for a while or if it's like a little like tender, a little awkward. Like, think about maybe an inside joke that y' all had. Think of something that is like, relative to the relationship, like something like that. And then use that. That to kind of like get like a giggle. And then it's like. Because if a. If a will not respond to you being like, he. He about something that y' all shared together. Oh, baby, he's gone.

[Mecca]

He's gone. You could even go as far as to send him like a funny tick tock or something that reminds him of you or whatever something y' all did and be like, oh my God, saw this in and thought. Thought of some. Thought. Thought of you or whatever. And so it even. It even makes it so you could have to say less words.

[Jamila]

Words.

[Mecca]

The video speaks for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's plausible because what do we all do all day? Scroll. And you did see this and you did get reminded. So that's what. Honestly, that's what I did. Even if you weren't searching for it, it really could. That it's really plausible deniability there that you weren't plotting to get this back. And that does open up the door for conversation again. If he doesn't respond. I think she did it. I think she did it regardless.

[Jamila]

But yeah, I do too. And it's like. And I don't know, I feel like you got a good example of, you know, who he was. Like, you said y' all live together, so it's like, it's not like you didn't give the relationship a chance. You did. Y' all live together for some time. You. You finish out a whole lease with this. That's not your. Why are you. Why do you want him back? There's so many boys out here, so many girl.

[Mecca]

And I promise, I feel like you've got. You've got the shortened the stick short of the end of the micro penis because you've ran across multiple.

[Jamila]

And you just want. Yeah, that's all I feel.

[Mecca]

You said the trauma. I'm like, you. You said you've never seen a micro penis. It is somewhat traumatizing because it's so jarring.

[Jamila]

I haven't seen a micro penis. I have seen a small.

[Mecca]

But you have to think a penis is smaller than the small penis. It's micro. Yeah, it's jarring.

[Jamila]

And that. I'm not gonna lie. That it. Yeah.

[Mecca]

It throws you the off. And can you imagine if you saw multiple you'd be like, not again. Not the again.

[Jamila]

I can understand her being like, yo, I gotta just go back to that. That with the big one.

[Mecca]

That's the type of. That would make you be like God trying to tell me something to stop fornicating. That's like where my mind. That's where my religious indoctrination mind would automatically go if I had came across more than one micropenis. Oh, God simply doesn't want me to. He's telling me

[Jamila]

like, what do you want your old back for? Like, do you think that this is your husband or do you just want to like go hunch on him a little bit?

[Mecca]

He probably doesn't have a micro penis.

[Jamila]

Because you didn't really. You didn't really. You know, you just said you want your back. Like in what capacity? Because if you want to just.

[Mecca]

She said she never stopped loving him though.

[Jamila]

Oh, boohoo.

[Mecca]

Love is subjective and no shade. I do feel like you get over it eventually. I feel like the reason you're.

[Jamila]

And you can. And you can decide to stop loving him.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say I feel like the reason you're still in love with him is because you haven't had good luck with dating and you've seen several micro penises that would. If I had seen three micro penises after breaking up with my ex, I too would be like, I'm actually maybe I do love in love with a who doesn't have a micro penis. Like, oh my God.

[Jamila]

Like. And I don't know. And maybe this is just because I am a Gemini. So maybe this is like a Gemini thing. But you can wake up one day and be like, I don't want to you anymore. Like, you can't just decide to do that.

[Mecca]

Exactly. Sorry. It's doable.

[Jamila]

Just be like, I love you now. Like, I don't know. I don't love you anymore. I'm over it next. Like, you gotta. I don't know, maybe if I wish I had a picture of him to. To give you cuz I don't know what I'm picturing in my mind isn't fine enough to like, I already. I gave a a face in my mind and he's a seven, so I don't know. In my mind he's a seven. And I just feel like you should only be hung up over.

[Mecca]

Over nine and above and no shade any who smokes weed all day every day and hear my words. Very specifically, you said this man smoked all day Every day and played the game. That's a very specific description. I have no issue with who smoke once a day, maybe once in the morning, once at night, twice a day. But you said all day, every day way. That is a chain smoking. And I've seen that. I've seen who do that. That is such a turn off. I know he smells like weed. I know his lips are probably black. I know, like, there's no way you can smoke all day, every day and not look like a smoker. And I know the smokers are gonna. As someone who doesn't smoke the smoker to be like, you can't tell. That's. We can. And it's okay if you do. If you smoke all day, all day, every day. Jamila, that is like, that is literally how, how even if you're smoking twice a day, that's like two papers, two blunts. But all day, every day would imply three up.

[Jamila]

Okay, so as far as like the. It depends because there are some people who smoke very, very heavily who are also still like on their. You know what I mean? And so for me, I. That doesn't affect me. So, like, if you smoke all the time, but you still be on your shit and you do all the things.

[Mecca]

Yeah, but we're not talking about that he's a bum.

[Jamila]

But that's what I'm saying. That's. I'm. That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying because I'm responding to you saying about smoking.

[Mecca]

Oh, I can still tell. You could, you could be on your. And, and smoke. Like, I'm not, I'm not equating someone smoking all day, every day with being a bum. But in this particular situation, she did imply that he smokes all day, every day and he is a bum. Now, regardless of if you smoke all day, every day and you are a functioning weed act, I can still tell, like, I don't smoke. So the smells, the, like, it's really one of the things like when you don't drink and you can smell alcohol from a mile away. Like, I know the girls be like, you wouldn't be able to. I have homegirls who are very clean, very. All the things. And it's like it's a faint. It's just a faintness even when you make the effort. I feel like when you smoke so often, it's just like, like it's just in your stuff. Like no shade.

[Jamila]

I feel like I've seen, I've honestly have seen both ways. I've seen people who smoke all the time where you can definitely, like, see it and smell it on. And I. And I know people who smoke all the time. And it's like, honestly, you wouldn't really know unless you just be with them all the time, like, just visually speaking. And I think it's also kind of plays into what you're also ingesting and the things that you're doing. Because if you're very well hydrated, all things, it may kind of balance out.

[Mecca]

But also.

[Jamila]

And this is kind of getting into the weed of it all, the smokiness of it all. I think the real difference is whether or not you smoke with tobacco or not. Because based off of my personal research that I'm just thinking about the people that I know, a lot of the people who smoke with, like, papers or bongs and things who don't also combine their weed with tobacco. Right.

[Mecca]

Okay, Chad, I'm not tripping. I'm like. I'm not trying to make it seem like the smokers is just dirty people. That's not what I'm trying to imply. I should have been a little bit more clear with that. But I do. I do feel like it's just. Even the smokers know, you got to keep it contained. You can't do too much. You can't. I'm a federal employee. You get what I'm saying? Like, you.

[Jamila]

It's.

[Mecca]

Even when you try, you got like. And us black people, it gets stuck in the hair. It gets stuck. Like, you have to be so diligent. And you cannot even miss a day of diligence when you smoke every day. And it's not even just weed. It's cigarettes as well. Like, the same way people who smoke cigarettes constantly chain smoke. You can. You can get into. Like, you get in the car. You smoke cigarettes in this. Yeah, it's the same thing, child. A smoke is a smoke. Yeah, we can see you. You're back, girl. The way you stopped.

[Jamila]

I was crying, bruh. So I've never even seen that error message before. It was like it shut down, and it was like having connectivity issue. And then it was just like troubleshooting. The whole computer said it was just scaring me. I don't even know what were we talking about. We were just out smoke.

[Mecca]

We were just talking about smoked out. And I was clarifying what I meant about the smoker smell. And it doesn't necessarily always stink, but it's just a fake. Oh, no.

[Jamila]

You can smell the smoke on a. For sure. That's what I mean, I was really talking about, like, the. With the smoked outlook that people were talking about on. On Tick Tock. I was like, some of the things that y' all are talking about isn't necessarily a smoke out.

[Mecca]

Look.

[Jamila]

It's a. They don't sleep. They're on drug.

[Mecca]

They're on drug. They're on weed and other things.

[Jamila]

Yeah, they do other things. They are not drinking water. They. They don't eat properly. Because I know. I know a lot of people that smoke all the time and take care of themselves. Dead in the eye. So, yeah, I think it's the people that's kind of.

[Mecca]

But maybe. Maybe what we're talking about in terms. Like, again, back to the description. He smokes all day when people smoke all day and stay up all night and play the game. Like, that was the description she gave.

[Jamila]

That right there. Hair. No.

[Mecca]

Yeah. And that looks.

[Jamila]

And I know he. And I know he don't bathe.

[Mecca]

You know what I'm saying? Like, she described him, and we all know the she described. Why would you even want to go back to that anyway? Because in my head, the way you described him, he's dirty and annoying.

[Jamila]

I'm sorry. I just know he is. I know he is, girl.

[Mecca]

And I know you know nerves.

[Jamila]

That's why you broke up with him. Always remember, go back to the feeling you felt when you broke up him. Just think about that. Why did I break up with this

[Mecca]

mouth full of plaque? Yo, I was gonna say that when Jamila was talking, I said, they teeth always be yellow. Ew. And I don't know why that it. Like, what is that related to? Is it the tobacco?

[Jamila]

Tobacco?

[Mecca]

Yeah. Cause y' all smoking a backwoods. It's like. And that's why you got the smokers who really do care about their essence.

[Jamila]

Who.

[Mecca]

Oh, I only do papers. I only do pipe. Like, there are certain things you could do, but people who sit there and smoke backwards every day, which. No shade, sister. I imagine him to be a backwood smoker. That's why I imagine him to have, like, all the things.

[Jamila]

He stanks back backwood.

[Mecca]

You know what I'm saying? He's stank. His plaque in the mouth, his lips is dry and crusty, and he.

[Jamila]

He go backwood and grabber.

[Mecca]

I know he's stanking. There ain't no way that dick smell good. Listen. Got a little gut on him straight.

[Jamila]

Just, just.

[Mecca]

Just from the drugs. He might pop his hand here and there. You said he. You said he got financial problems. He ain't hold down the job on them drugs. He on them boy drugs with. With the wheat on that game. I know he don't spell good. He wear the plaid Joe boxers. Huh? Ew. The baggy. The baggy plaid Joe boxers.

[Jamila]

Oh, you know what?

[Mecca]

That is a sign of a criminal. If you.

[Jamila]

If you go.

[Mecca]

If a man pull down his pants and you notice he have on a

[Jamila]

plaid baggy Joe boxes, girl, you need

[Mecca]

to run the other way. Girl, what the. Girl, what the. He. He don't mean, you know, no. No good. He ain't gonna do no good for your life. And also if he wears the pattern Ithacas. The Ithacas with the Versace logos. That's also an ancient. The fitted ciao. I love. I love a tighty whitey underwear. Especially when the boys. It makes their butt sit up.

[Jamila]

Up like I tidy whitey.

[Mecca]

Not. I'm not. Not a tidy whitey. A fitted. You know what they call not a tidy whitey? The like boxer briefs when they butt sit up. It's just not a tidy whitey. That's a little bit too much. That's a panty.

[Jamila]

Yeah, that's a panty.

[Mecca]

That's a panty. I wear panties.

[Jamila]

But you know what? Braxton be wearing them panties and they be looking cute on him.

[Mecca]

But I mean, Braxton, it. It goes into his vibe though because Braxton wore like a. Derek was just talking about Braxton and his fishnet yesterday at one Music fest. She was like, yeah, Maker's Own boy showed up in a fishnet shirt, nothing underneath, and some jeans. I said I love back.

[Jamila]

Maybe I could see a boy and they fit him so well. So like, maybe I could see like a boy wearing some. But not the. Not the traditional tidy whitey. So those look nasty no matter what. But this brand of like almost spandexy one like, because I'm like the little. The little color ones. I think I can see a boy in that. I cuz his booty be sitting up. So.

[Mecca]

You know, I like the gym bros, the ex football player types. They be having some ass on them. Just a little.

[Jamila]

Yeah, they butt would eat that up.

[Mecca]

I love that. Yeah. I don't get why boys act like girls don't like butt too. I don't want no flat booty ass.

[Jamila]

No, I need it to be plump.

[Mecca]

I like when you smack a boy butt in a ricochet and then he get mad. It'd be like, you can't be mad. Your asses ricochet. That's so tea.

[Jamila]

Anyways, y' all fat ass.

[Mecca]

No micro.

[Jamila]

The patreon so that you can join the chat live when we go and and record the podcast live and all of the teams. And of course we have exclusive episodes and series in there, such as the sidebars with your favorite creators and the Spin It Onlys and the slumber party. Those are all Patreon exclusive series and episodes, so make sure you guys are tuned into that. We do have merch coming very, very soon, so stay tuned. And we also are about to start the process of planning our live show.

[Mecca]

Yes, and as you guys know, we drop sidebars ev every Friday in our Patreon and we've had some really good guests. We've got some more good guests coming up. I did see some people with their suggestions at the beginning, which I definitely took note of. But if you are a part of the Screw Crew and a Patreon subscriber, feel free to under any of the sidebars just comment who you want to see. That's actually how we end up getting Sierra from Philly. Sierra loves eggs on there a couple weeks ago. We have some good people. I don't even want to say who we have coming, but we got some good ones.

[Jamila]

Yeah, stay tuned guys and we'll see you guys next week by okay, all right, Chat. We'll see y' all later.

[Mecca]

Thank you Chat.

[Jamila]

Love y'.

[Mecca]

All.

[Jamila]

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