Have You Tried Lying?

Summary

Unhinged & Immoral

Episode Summary – “Have You Tried Lying?”

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Release Date: September 24, 2025

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Overview:

In “Have You Tried Lying?”, hosts Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans return to their roots with a wild, candid, and hilarious episode. They pull back the curtain on the hectic behind-the-scenes reality of producing podcast interviews, balancing internet fame with real life, and growing both their show and themselves. This episode is equal parts industry deep-dive, best friend banter, sex and relationship real talk, and a thoughtful, critical view on internet politics and modern parenting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Podcast Growth, Production, and Batch Recording

• Hustle & Strategy: The hosts reflect on their recent run of high-profile interviews and the learning curve of batch recording multiple episodes in quick succession.
  • Jamila: “We honestly have taken several weeks off of recording because we like recorded all of those in the span of like, what, 10 days.” [03:17]
  • Mecca was initially skeptical about changing their usual weekly recording: “I was skeptical about the batch recording.” [03:34]
• Industry Lessons: Advice for aspiring podcasters regarding professionalism, scheduling, and the need to adapt:
  • “Talent always has somewhere to be. So you need to be very, very, like, on your toes and, like, very timely.” – Jamila [11:01]
• Learning on the Job: The friends share mishaps (like snacks stolen from a shared office fridge and furniture mishaps with taller guests), using mishaps as teachable moments.
  • “That week we were just learning, going on the fly, like taking notes, like, okay, this is what we need to do. This is what we not need to do.” – Mecca [07:43]

2. Networking, Relationships, and Community

• How Guest Interviews Came Together: A deep dive into how their web of relationships in the PR/podcast/music scenes made recent episodes possible.
  • “If it had not been for Community, you would not have had the episodes you had. Y'all just don't even know.” – Jamila [18:29]
  • On networking: “Unfortunately, you do have to be nice to get. And I think that's where the dots aren't connecting…” – Mecca [19:14]
• Shouting Out Collaborators: The hosts spread love to their collaborators, venues, and live band partners—shining a light on Atlanta’s creative scene.

3. Reflections and Favorite Moments

• Biggest Milestones: Both hosts share the thrill of seeing their ideas become reality—like sharing space with beloved podcasters and running live “Unhinged & Unplugged” sessions with musical guests.
  • “I want to get better. I don't ever really want it to get too regular…that sense of like, oh my God, like this is my life, I don't ever want to lose that…” – Mecca [25:23]
  • Studio moments: “One of my favorite moments was honestly walking into the Poor Mindset. Of course, you know, they are under 85 South show, which is, you know, for me and comedy…just being able to walk into that studio, I truly felt like, damn…” – Jamila [26:16]

4. Sex, Dating, and Safe Spaces

• Unfiltered Sex Talk: Consistent with the podcast’s tone, Jamila and Mecca riff about safe sex, raw dogging, and the perils of car sex. This is part comedy, part real talk, and underscores their mission of honesty.
• Notable Rant: “Condoms irritate me so bad because it's like afterwards your pussy smells like a tire…” – Mecca [44:55]
• Advice Section Preview: Later, they answer a listener letter about strict parents and the realities of living at home post-grad—a conversation packed with laughter and real wisdom.

5. Politics & Digital Culture

• Commentary on Political Spectacle: The hosts unpack the fallout from the (fictional) Charlie Kirk shooting, critiquing the shallowness of online political discourse and social media moralism.
  • “Our politics in this country have left politics and they have entered into personal vendettas against things.” – Jamila [54:04]
  • Mecca calls out the influencer-politician blend: “I would consider Charlie Kirk…an influencer, like, for all intended purposes…” [56:27]
• Push for Critical Thinking: Both hosts argue for nuance, criticizing both left and right for failing to “flesh out” their talking points and using label-driven scare tactics (e.g., “socialist,” “radical,” “anti-Semite”) without critical thought.
• Disinformation and Anti-Blackness: The Jamie Foxx/Jennifer Aniston anti-Semitism controversy is dissected as an example of misplaced outrage and racial double standards.

6. Parenting, Boundaries & Coming of Age

• Raising Kids in a Digital World: A sharp, sometimes hilarious critique of how many parents fail in monitoring their kids’ online behavior, especially in the context of radicalization.
  • “Why the fuck you don't know your kid is falling down an alt right pipeline and you're not stopping they ass…” – Jamila [67:51]
• Personal Boundaries: Both hosts reflect on evolving from strict upbringings, establishing their own boundaries by “disappointing” their parents to force a parent-to-adult-child transition.
  • “Sometimes you need to tell your parents, like, and the thing is our parents are so used to being our parents that it sometimes takes them a minute to be like, oh, they're grown…” – Jamila [81:50]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Bring back Community. As we say, every episode snaps, snaps in the chat.” – Jamila [18:22]
• “Y’all want community, but don’t want to contribute to the community. And it’s never going to work like that.” – Mecca [19:14]
• “I just want to shout out to Kev again real quick… Kevin, not only has he continuously brought us to LA… he will continue to do that.” – Jamila [20:12]
• “Talent always has somewhere to be. So you need to be very, very, like, on your toes and, like, very timely.” – Jamila [11:01]
• “We didn't buy the furniture and the motherfucker, six foot, mind you… Two side long ass legs just buckled up in that damn seat. My bad too.” – Jamila [08:45]
• “Raw dog life. But crazy. It's insane to say, yeah, let me just raw it.” – Jamila [44:08]
• On Jamie Foxx’s “They booed Jesus too” controversy: “When Jennifer Aniston called Jamie Foxx anti Semitic for being black and saying they booed Jesus too… I said, we're lost.” – Mecca [63:12]
• “Lie to your parents. You never thought about lying. You're 22. Lie.” – Jamila [88:38]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Batch Recording Reflections: [03:18]-[05:16]
• Lessons from Guest Interviews: [06:45]-[12:00]
• Networks, Community, and Behind the Scenes: [14:00]-[19:00]
• Favorite Milestones & Moments: [22:46]-[26:16]
• Unfiltered Sex/Condom Rant: [44:17]-[47:00]
• Politics/Charlie Kirk Fallout: [53:09]-[63:45]
• Parenting, Boundaries, and Upbringing: [67:51]-[76:46]
• Advice Letter: Strict Parents & Sneaky Links: [77:00]-[96:47]

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Listener Spin-It: Letters & Real Talk

Question:
22-year-old listener with strict parents still living at home, wants advice on how to see her broke sneaky link.

Advice from Hosts:

• Don’t let your parents control every move—set boundaries, and don’t be afraid to gently challenge their assumptions.
• Start planning your exit from the house if possible (“figure out an exit plan, and get you a timeline and save up.” – Jamila [87:41])
• “This is PR, right? This is a spinning... I never said this was gonna be moral. This is never going to be ethical. Lie to your parents.” – Jamila [88:38]
• Don’t let a broke 26-year-old become your main focus. Both hosts riff hilariously about the realities of being broke and young—while nudging the listener to put herself first.

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Tone & Style

The hosts are unfiltered, funny, and deeply relatable—mixing irreverent humor with genuine advice and sharp-edged cultural critique. Even the most serious topics are handled with warmth, wit, and empathy.

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Conclusion

This episode of Unhinged & Immoral blends internet gossip, backstage podcast hustle, candid sexuality, and sharp political commentary into a highly entertaining package. Whether riffing on being “raw” in life and love, or urging listeners to value and create real community, Jamila and Mecca remain as “unhinged” (and hilarious) as ever.

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Join the Unhinged Crew for more chaos, and don’t forget to drop those screw emojis in the chat.

Transcript

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Stop the ranches in the damn chat.

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Ratchet screw. What's it called?

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It literally is a ranch currently. I'm currently drinking a protein shake because I am about to lose this gut and on you even more than I do now.

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I drink coffee to so.

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So that's what I'm on today. But yeah, so drop some screws in the track. The who.

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All right, now you listen next.

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Moving on, let's talk talk about the big ass elephant in the room. We have been on our grind, y'. All. We have done so freaking much and it's now like completely unfolded by now. And so you guys have seen all the things that there is to Be seen as of now. And of course, we have so many more things to come. But I want to know what you guys were thinking when y' all seen us dropping these interviews back to back like that. I know y' all probably like, okay, no, what the. Like, because we kind of just didn't really. We didn't really prep. We didn't really, you know, announce that we were doing that. We really just kind of. Everything happened honestly kind of fast, but in a. In a good way. And it was more so the rollout afterwards. And it was just so great being kind of off. Like, we honestly have taken several weeks off of recording because we like recorded all of those in the span of like, what, 10 days.

[B]

I was skeptical at first.

[A]

Even less.

[B]

It was more like you were. Well, remember when you was like. I was like, no, I kind of like. Because for almost a year we have been. We've had a standing recording day every Monday. Oh, yes.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, so you were skeptical about the schedule. I thought you talking about, like, the interviews.

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I was like, I was skeptical about the batch recording.

[A]

Oh, yes, yes. I had to let her know.

[B]

Mila definitely was like, no, this would be better. And then I think, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're going to do this better. Just wait and see. You'll be better.

[A]

You. Right.

[B]

And then I also think you got to remember that week, not only were that nine day span that I was in Atlanta when everyone was like, are you in fucking Houston right now? Did you move to Atlanta? Yes and no. Like, we also were going on other people's podcasts. I remember Lex was telling me about their poor minds. Lexandrea. We were talking the day we went on there and they were talking to me, Lex was talking to me about their batch recording schedule. That was when we first got there. And I was like, oh. And then with Jay was kind of telling us like, oh, this will come out here. So I was just seeing, okay, this is. This is things to be normal. Like the people.

[A]

Yeah, like who?

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So we're the only ones doing like a weekly.

[A]

Like, it's like showing up to work every day. Like me. There are some. I'm sure there are some podcasts, especially the ones that are probably more so like timely based, that probably do that like weekly. But I think what I had said before is like, it has honestly worked for us for. For what it needed to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, for what we were trying to do, which is build a platform and build consistency. I think that definitely trained us in A way of, like, we know we have to do this and kind of like created muscle memory. And so now we're able to kind of do a whole bunch at once and then kind of take a step back while still doing stuff for the podcast. But considering the way we was moving this summer, I just knew that those weekly episode not going to be sustainable.

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I'm sold.

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Welcome. Welcome to Death Row.

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I'm sold. I wasn't. I wasn't sold in the beginning. Now I was sold. I. I'll give Jamila her flowers here. I want to say, like, we always had a vision for the podcast, but I do think with Jamila having a production background, like, a lot of what you saw in terms of the sets and the da, da, da and the studio, like, that's. That was her brainchild. I was just kind of like, okay, thank you, J.

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Thank you.

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Everything looks great.

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When it comes to. When it comes to production, that is where I come alive and get to be the bossiest you've ever known. Oh, and let me tell you and I live for you, baby.

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I wouldn't. The day we was recording with the artist and stuff, girl, I wouldn't have sat in that room. I wouldn't have sat in my dressing room. I said, cause she's in bossy mode, and all I got to do is show up and talk, so I'mma let her. Y' all was out there standing. You said, okay, I remember. I walked out there and Ram, he and I are obviously in there as hosts. And two, everyone's talking shit about us not having water for Tucson.

[A]

Like, damn, we don't have water for one day.

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I was about to say we had went and bought food for everybody, for the whole crew and everything, because we would.

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Yes.

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The thing about Tucson is also. I said this in the comments. Y' all are cool. And he was clearly busting our balls. Like, we went to lunch right after that. It really wasn't that deep. So that's why I was like, also.

[A]

To also defend us. To also defend this. We have prepared snacks and water for our guests for that entire week. And we left it in the kitchen.

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The.

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The thing that you guys are missing is it was a shared space, right? We came back and they took all our shit. So we had anticipated having at least a water and a granola. And, baby, the rest of the office said, bitch, please, you better put your name on this shit or tuck it away. So that's. That's how we got there. And it was like. Well, we said, record.

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And again, like, It's a. Honestly, with everyone we've recorded with, there's been a familiarity. So it really was just. I was like, this would be an actual critique if he wasn't obviously joking. That's the part. But then also, I do feel like this first go around was such good training because, you know, the space that we were recording in with Tucson particularly is for the foreseeable future where we plan on recording our other podcasts. So.

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Okay.

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Since it's a shared space, we do need to put our name and our stuff for our guests. Like, like that whole week we were just learning, going on the fly, like taking notes, like, okay, this is what we need to do. This is what we not need to do. Next time we'll do it this way. So this whole. It came out amazing. But I do think this next round of interviews, we're only going to get better because I just feel like the next round is going to be even better because we had. Since we was recording every day, twice a day, it was like we were making mistakes but then like having to figure it out on the fly, which was really cool. Like, even with everything. I know Tucson is our most recent one, but even with Tucson being tall as shit in that chair, we. I mean, I don't know what we were supposed to do.

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Mind you. I didn't realize he was buckled in that damn seat till after I was editing. I said, oh, that baby. Buckled that baby in that buckle feet just. Oh, that whole baby sorry too.

[B]

They said, why y' all got toots on this tiny ass chick?

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We like, we didn't buy the furniture and the motherfucker.

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Six foot, mind you.

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Kev and Deontay was in the same seat. Same with Sierra. Everybody else looked normal. Two side long ass legs just buckled up in that damn seat. My bad too.

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I. I know.

[A]

Hey, y', all, it's me. Sorry to interrupt your episode. I know you guys are having a good old nasty Kiki with your girls on her hands tomorrow, but I wanted to stop to tell you guys about an amazing showcase that's coming to Atlanta and next week, Wednesday, October 1st. Let me tell you something about Love Scene. If you like R and B, if you like singers that keep that microphone on, this is going to be the show for you. The headliner for the show is Jalen Joseph. And if you don't know, you better find out really, really quickly. She is really that girl. And as someone who has seen her perform twice live, I'm here to tell you, you are in for a treat. Tickets are on sale right now. I'll put the link in the description below. And you already know I'm gonna be there front and center. So if you see me, come say hey. The love scene. Wednesday, October 1st. I'll see y' all there.

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That's not us. That's. That is a tall person issue.

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But now that is a thinking about it.

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I would be like, okay, like, just having the mind to tell them, put your foot out. Okay, baby. Like, spread. Like, don't be.

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Don't be.

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But like, I was watching it giggling, you know, it's.

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This is all child care. These were our. These were our first, like, in person interviews in this capacity. Of course, we did lavelle in person, but we were at Melissa's setup, so we were essentially in her living room and had a whole setup. So we still had kind of that. And we still didn't have the camera and the equipment that we had this time. So when we did this round, guys, I want y' all to understand, we were in two real deal studios with real deal equipment. And so for me, I guess my main concern that week was, like, the logistics. I was just like, we are doing so many interviews because we were doing two a days, a few times, right? So in my mind, I'm like, I need to make sure we're on time because we don't want to mess with anyone's time. You know, Kev is a busy man. Kev was in and out, baby.

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He had to go with Josh, okay, His photographer. They came in there and we said they left. They went right to the other. Thank you.

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And he had one something right else.

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And.

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And something for you guys to understand about this space of entertainment, especially if you want to get into this field. I want you to understand, put this in your mind right now. Talent always has somewhere to be. So you need to be very, very, like, on your toes and, like, very timely. And so that's something that I was worried about. And I was just.

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Just.

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I just wanted to make sure it looked good, right? Everything else, like those trials and tribulations, I knew we would fix out the kinks later and it wouldn't be anything that was like, oh, dear. Detrimental. And honestly, like, looking back, considering how short of a time period we had to actually prepare, because that's what y'. All.

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Y' all don't.

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Let me tell you something.

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Jameela got an idea in her head. And, I mean, I was in Atlanta within two weeks. Jamila said, I have an idea and we're going to do it like this bitch went and scheduled. And this is how we scheduled it, honestly. Scheduled around Kevin, because when we found out Kev was going to be in Atlanta, we said, okay, well, let's take advantage of Kev being in Atlanta and.

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Then say, well, Kev got to be there.

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And so.

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But everybody else was.

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Was basically based in Atlanta that we interviewed. So it was like we had Cat when Kev gave us his date. Then we built out the schedule around Kev, essentially. And that's what y' all saw.

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Yes, I think.

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And.

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And I want you. I want you guys to really, like, I need to. I need you guys to understand how we got to that point. Because none of that was, like, pre planned for months. So let's back up, right? We were supposed to do Poor Minds months ago, but because, you know, they were doing travel Queens. We are. Our date got pushed back. Right? So put that into your mind. Right? We finally got a date solidified. Okay, y', all, we are going to shoot Poor Minds August 6th. We said, okay, period. We shoot with the girls. We was excited. That was the only plan, right? But then I said, okay, well, since Mecca is already going to be in town, let's go ahead and follow up with Akeem. Because again, Akeem. We were supposed to do Akeem's interview before his tour started in June, right? Yeah, it will. By the time this comes out.

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Girl, you confusing.

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Yeah. Oh, Oh. I would never spoil. Y' all would never get a spoil from me. I'm locked.

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You're doing so good. You haven't spoiled anything.

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No, you know, I'm not gonna spoil. I'm not gonna spoil.

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So, yeah, y' all know about that.

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Y' all know about Akeem, period. We were supposed to do Akeem's interview before his tour. That was going to be a part of, like, the promo for his tour rollout. But again, things happened. He was very busy. We were very busy. We didn't have a chance to align. Okay, cool. Fast forward. Fast forward to we get a day for Poor Minds. I'm like, okay, Mecca, let's. Let me see if I can circle back with a king, right? So I circle back with him. What's your availability looking like? Doo doo, doo, doo. His birthday was on the 11th, and he said, we can't do it that day. We could do it the day after. I said, period. You gonna be here at least through the 6th to the 12th.

[B]

I remember I was about to buy the ticket and you said, no. Akeem said, we can't.

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Hold on, hold on.

[B]

And I said, this is such Leo behavior, Gerald. We're not gonna film on my birthday.

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And I said, you know what?

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But that's fair. And then even down to. We met Zay's manager at the. When we were speaking at the Urban League Conference, which was probably about a month before. We ended up recording with Zay just at the little gala party.

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Yeah. Because it was right after essence.

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So that was in July, J. Hill. During that same weekend as well.

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Let me tell all of this happen.

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All the elite, all the elitist organizations, but you do be. You do.

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You will network.

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Down.

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I tell you. I said, I have the will on me. I was like, I am going to take advantage of this.

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Jamila gave me a pep talk. She said, it's time to turn it off. I remember, cuz, you know when you at them conferences all day and you be tired by the end, you just.

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Be like, oh, my, this how Mecca be by. By. By 30, I'm. I'mma be over there. I'll be over there.

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Let me know what to do is go find somewhere to sit down. If I am not being. If I'm not like constantly engaged, then I'm going to like, zone out. So Jam was doing something completely separate of me because we were fine. I. I don't know what she was doing. But you was doing something different. Some other interview girl. Cuz again, we are. We are entity, but then we are separate collectively. So she had something else she was doing.

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So.

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So I said, all right, I'm gonna go over there and sit down. She said. She hit the phone like, okay, I do need you to lock in. I need you to turn on the charm. And I'm like, ah, it's time to start talking, bitch. So I went and started talking. And I remember right as she. Right as you were sending me that text message, you didn't know this, but someone had came up to me and just was like, can I take a picture? And I said, ah, this will defrost me. Hey.

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I'm crying. Yeah, that's crazy. We lit. I completely forgot about Jay being there too. So Jay was actually working at the National Urban League Conference on the production team. Because if y' all don't know, he has a background in production. So he's doing production. I'm like, I didn't see this face somewhere before. Turns out where I had seen him at is because he literally did an interview with Deontay. Again. Our web, our circle, our web is growing. So I was like, yeah. And you know me, one thing about it. Yeah. So you bring us on your podcast.

[B]

Let's work.

[A]

You know, let us come on your. Yeah, let's do that.

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Do that.

[A]

Okay. Boom. So then we went to this party that they were throwing, and this is when we met with Johannes. The YP event, Urban League. So Johannes is actually. Is actually frat. Okay, so shout out to the men of 1906. Right? So that's how we first connected. Right? Again, sometimes you got to be a part of the org.

[B]

That's why Jamila was off on the gun on me, because she was doing her org. She was doing some things with them, ladies and girls.

[A]

He said, hey, I. I see. I. I seen that pink and green. Hey, that's me, right? Okay. So he's chopping it up a Kiki kaka, right? And I'm like, you know, we're just. We're just getting to know each other. He's like, yeah, where you based? I'm in it. Him, like, you know, I'm in Atlanta. He's like, oh, me too. I'm like, what do you do? He works in music management. What the have I been doing for the past year, y'? All? Music management. So we get to connect on there. He shows me his artist, but it doesn't. It does. It just goes over my head, right? He's just talk. Talking casually about his artist. So I'm like, okay, cool. Like, we'll definitely link up when we get back in the city and work, blah, blah, blah. So fast forward to when we get in the city, y'. All. They. Which y' all already seen, right? That is Johannes. Let me use the baby stage name. That's for G's artist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My bad. Oh, spill the beans. You'll be all right. So, yeah, so basically, a week before everything got solidified, I'm hitting up 4G. Like, yo, this is what we're doing, you know, because we were. Me and him were supposed to link up, but I had been so busy, so I'm like, listen, we got. He was like, yo, my artist is in town. My artist just so happened to be in town. Zay lives in la, y'. All. He just so happened to be in town doing promo for his new single. And like that. So I was like, okay, cool. We look, we do all the things. I said, bring them on. And it was at that moment I said, unhing, Unplug. This could be this, could be this. This could be deeper. This, this. Get everybody. Give me a second. Let me. I started putting some fuses together. I utilized the resources and the relationships and here's the message. Bring back Community. As we say, every episode snaps, snaps in the chat.

[B]

Drop. Drop some screws in the chat for Community.

[A]

If it had not been for Community, you would not have had the episodes you had. Y' all just don't even know. All of that was just off the strength of our relationship building, literally, let me tell you.

[B]

Literally, they always. Well, this is what my mama told me growing up, and this is why she always has, like, I put y' all in certain things because it's not always what you know, it's who you know. And it's like, as a teenager hearing that, it's like, nah, I don't want to go to etiquette class, stupid. But it's like, I be looking at all the things like, bitch, the way we be pulling from Hampton alone, just, oh, can you come do this? Can you come do that? The way I be pulling from my Deb class alone, oh, can we do this? Can we do that? Like, y' all don't like. Yes, it do be paying to be in Community and to know how to hold a conversation. I know this generation truly hates small talk and truly acts like it's too much emotional weight to, like, pick up, but I promise you, when Jamila says what you saw happen, the level of production that happened was off. The strength of us pulling up and being darlings and knowing how to hold a good conversation, that is not an exaggeration. Like, unfortunately, you do have to be nice to get. And I think that's where the dots aren't connecting you. Y' all want, but don't want to be nice. Don't want. Y' all want community, but don't want to contribute to the community. And it's never going to work like that.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And I just want to shout out to Kev again real quick. You know, I got to shout out to my big cousin Kev, any chance I get. Kevin, not only.

[B]

Kevin's go.

[A]

Not only has he continuously brought us to la and. And he. He will continue to do that. I. I asked him, and he said yes. So I can say that he did say that he'll bring us back. And I said, just ask me. And I. The answer was yes. So let me tell you how we got Kev, because I think this is also a little funny. There was a podcast summit in Atlanta, right? Hosted by David Shands, if you know his podcast. I can't remember what the podcast called, but David Shans, if you are into podcasting, you know him, right? So he's hosting a podcast summit. And honestly, I wanted to go to the podcast. And no shade. David sh. I did DM you about getting into the damn summit, and you ain't damn respond, but that's cool. No shade. No beef or nothing, but, you know, you was probably busy. But anyways, I'm looking at the damn fly. Y' all said, kev is gonna be one of the damn speakers at the damn summit. So basically, we were stalking him. And so we text Kev, because, you know, me and Kev text.

[B]

We text.

[A]

You know that we cool like that, y'. All. We got a group message anyways, so we text Kev. I said, yo, we see you gonna be in town. You want to come on the podcast? And that was. That was. That's all we had to do.

[B]

He said, finally, because I had y' all online and y' all was trying to act Hollywood. I said, well, no. Hello. You didn't think you'd want to come on our podcast?

[A]

Like, hello? So that's how that came to be with Deontay. Easy. Like, I. I don't even think I asked Deontay. I. I said. I said, come. I'm gonna let you know when you gonna come and sit on this goddamn couch, and we gonna chat and vice versa. Same thing with Lou. Like, I'm like, lou, come on.

[B]

We and Lou. I think our first one, the first drop. Lou was the first drop. I. And to this day, the way we had Lou set up. Sorry to that, man. Because again, we were still figuring. We said, don't like the way that looks. Change the. Rearrange the chairs or something.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Still commenting about the Little Baltimore clip. I said, y', all, it's been like, I don't care no more.

[A]

That's how they do. Yeah, that was what, a week, right? But, yeah, what a. What a week that was. I feel like I give ourselves a B plus.

[B]

Remember we went to the Wednesday premiere?

[A]

Oh, yes, we did.

[B]

Like, we were literally doing something every.

[A]

Day that was a work last week.

[B]

And I do. I loved it.

[A]

I got some getty pictures.

[B]

I give us a B plus as well. I think that's a good. That's a good grade.

[A]

I give us a B plus, definitely. And I'm excited. So what was your favorite moment from that week of, like, batch recording our interviews and just all those things?

[B]

It was several. I didn't have one favorite, but just. I will say, talking to Mike, baby, am I not talking in the mic?

[A]

You was over.

[B]

Oh, I thought. You see, I raised it up because I Purposely been trying to talk in it. I'll do it again. Don't let me start sucking the mic like a dick, like Jill Scott girl. Oh, he loves me. Did you hear that? No. I'm playing. Okay. So I won't say it's one moment, but it's a series of moments that kept making me be like, wow, this is really happening. Like, wow, we really did this. Like, I think not. The. I won't say I can't believe it, because I definitely think that we are two people who have been very clear on the direction that we wanted this to go and what we were willing to do to make it happen. But I think even with all that, even with being confident, even with knowing when you really see it happening in front of you, you're like, whoa, this is crazy. So, like, us being in an actual studio recording with guests, then us, even with the music unhinged and unplug, having the live band, the musical element, that was an add on. Like, Jamila said we. We had always wanted to interview guests, but then the idea when she was like, let's do like. Like, let's do a 106 and tiny desk. Masha, like, we could do this. And it's like seeing it come to fruition and not just come to fruition. Be good. Shout out to vibe Control. Good. Sound the good.

[A]

I love y'. All.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? I was sitting there in amazement. I said, I cannot believe this is going this well. Knock on wood. It's going to continue to go that well, and we're only going to get better.

[A]

Yeah, I just.

[B]

I was. I was taken aback. And then the Wednesday premiere was a lot of fun because that was fun. The Just. Just the atmosphere of being at an event like that. I also think that was, like, my first, I would say, big branded event. Like, this is a net. This is an event Netflix put on. I know those are probably really common in Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? That was my first one. And so I was like, oh, my God. But I feel like I don't never want to get to the point where I'm not. I'm not taking it all in. Does that make sense? I don't. I don't ever really want it to get too regular. I want to get better.

[A]

Never.

[B]

I want to get, like. I will say I. By. By day two, three, I was no longer nervous. You get what I'm saying?

[A]

That.

[B]

That ease of. Just be able to. Okay, I know I can go in here and I can perform because this is literally my job. Just. Just because I'm doing my job all the time and I'm used to it. But that, that sense of like, oh my God, like this is my life, I don't never want to lose that because it is a really enjoyable feeling. Like the last time I felt it was when we were in LA filming with Kev for the production that he had going on. And just being on set, being in character, looking around at the lights and I'm like, I can't believe this is happening. Like, I don't never want to lose that.

[A]

Yeah, never. Never ever, ever. My favorite part. I'm gonna have a long winded answer as well as we do.

[B]

That was long winded as fuck.

[A]

Just so you know. That was long. But I too am going to be long winded as talkers, as yappers as we do. Right? One of the. One of my favorite moments was honestly walking into the poor mindset. Of course, you know, they are under 85 South show, which is, you know, for me and comedy. They're up there, right? Like, I. I love them. And just being able to walk into that studio, I truly felt like, damn, like Lex and Drea be having some people on this. They had just had Sierra like, you know, and. And Ciara is one of my princesses. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just so gagged. Like, so I'm like, okay, we are sharing this space with people that we also emulate because this we. We hold poor minds to such a high pedestal and high regards. And so that was really cool for that to finally come to fruition. It was honestly so much fun talking to them. Like, just. Just a good old fun time. And of course, another really good highlight moment for me is the way in which everything came together with our Unhinged and Unplugged series. For that to have been a very rogue random thought that I put together in like, literally, I'm talking about a couple of days, y'. All. Like that. That was the last piece to get put together. The very last piece. Because like I said, we end up getting zay at the. He was the very last person to. That we got to confirm. And so once I had the idea that we have two musical guests, I'm like, that's just. We got to do more. And so I was a little worried about having that come through and come together because it was a big ask, it was a big deal to do. There were several parties involved and I want to give everybody their flowers right now because. So first off we have Resident Studios which is where we filmed and. And shout out to Sam. Me and Sam, our best. Now Sam is one of the owners of Resident Studios, but he also works in film and production and he helped film and I'm talking about. He brought out the cinema cameras for us and just help us get our audio set and also help teach me how to edit a little bit on Premiere because lord knows I hate premiere and I do everything to avoid it. But that's a conversation for different day. So shout out to Resident and Sam and I also want to give a shout out to Poon Peter. If you are in Atlanta, listen to me right now. I need you guys to go follow Poon Peter right now. Every other Monday they host a poetry slam. Essentially it's an open mic poetry night where you come in, you can do some poetry, hear some poetry. It's a good ass time. It is one of my absolute favorite events. I've been going for months and months and months. Before we even started working together. I used to go just cuz I like like that I'm a love jones ass. What can I say? You don't have to go to the club now. You don't have to go. Exactly. It's. It's a good time. It's super affordable to an amazing date night. If you ever want to do that. They have a live band, right? And I'm going to get to the live band in a second. You already know I'm coming for y', all, but yeah, Poetry on Peter is of course that curated event, but they are also an entity that is doing so much in the city and we have developed such an amazing working relationship. Shout out to Myana the. The curator and owner of Poetry On Peter. Me and her go together real bad. Shout out to everybody at Poetry On Peter. That whole team, everybody is literally so amazing. And again, the band vibe control, which is the band, the house band of Poetry On Peter. When I talk to you about music, baby, real musicianship is back.

[B]

They gets down and they don't play.

[A]

They gets down and they don't goddamn play. They are so freaking incredible. Like every time I listen to them play, I'm blown away. K. Calloway on the sax row on the drums. C Square on the keys. Miles sometimes on the. On the guitar. They're amazing, y'. All. Like literally, literally. And. And let me tell you something about the musicians. They play by ear, y'. All. So you get up there doing your poetry, they start creating shit from scratch, bitch.

[B]

Real skill, real musical talent.

[A]

That's all I'm saying. So, yeah, we have developed a really good working relationship, not just with the computer.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

If it had not been for all of them, we would not have been able to make that come through. So I'm very grateful to him. And then the other really, really highlight moment for me is when we were interviewing Kev. He said something that has stuck me to. To my brain, that I'm like, oh, my God. Why would you say that? So we were basically giving him his flowers, right? We're like, ev. You're Kev on stage. You're all deaf, baby. You know, saying you were doing that thing, like, we look up to you, and now we're here. And he was like. And I. I said like, I. I can't wait for that moment, you know, to happen us. He was like, it's already happening. Like, people are looking at y' all right now saying, like, oh, I could. I would love to do that. Like, I would. Y' all are. Y' all are where I was. And I'm like, shut the hell up, Kev. He ain't lie, though.

[B]

He didn't. I had a moment like that with Kev, but it was. It was this last time we were in la, like, I said, when we had went, and he was basically telling us how, you know. Which he said on our episode, go back and watch it. Unhinged, immoral, YouTube or wherever you listen to your podcast, where he was like, I mimicked y' all style. I mean, he has publicly said it too. Like, but he said it when we were talking about staying relevant and how you can't. You know, as much as y' all 90s babies like to talk about streaming, you sound old and maiden, you know what I'm saying? It's now a recognized form of media, and you either get with it or you get lost. You will be left behind. Because I remember in 2019, when I started making TikToks and all my peers, Jamila hadn't made a tick tock yet. No shit. But I remember, oh, I'm not making no tick tock. I'm grown. Okay, now you're trying to be a tick tock influencer. And that's not it. That's not a direct shot at nobody, per se, but it is the example of, like, every time you see Mariah Carey on a stream, when you see Kamala Harris on a stream, Nicki Minaj on a stream, you do.

[A]

They gotta stop. Down they go.

[B]

I promise you, the people I just name not gonna go on no shit. They think they too good for. They're not gonna go on no where the number is not there where the number where the not delivering.

[A]

They're their teams wouldn't even allow no like that like that if it wasn't actually helping.

[B]

Do I want to be a streamer? No. I do think that requires a lot of energy that I'm too old for. But I'm not gonna on that platform. I'm not gonna on that like realm of digital creation because it is valid. And I I have homegirls. Angelique has been a Kai snatched in for years. I'm talking before even Kai was getting the Kamala Harris's this is during the panty. She has Kaiser now on the stream just constantly how I be playing ID in 2020 just background noise and I don't know how you know that I'm the grandma baby. The grandma the baby dayline in 2020 playing this playing Kaiser dad. And I'm talking way back when when Drew Ski and Kai first started doing them 24 hour sleepovers or whatever the hell they were doing. And that is. I always thought Drew Ski was funny from the skits.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is when I really decided Drew Ski is goaded because Alive is obviously a live stream. Like when you're doing this.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta be happy. There's no show editing that Drew E.

[B]

Is funny as the first time I seen him and I mean Angelique, we had popcorn, we had drinks and we sat there and watched these niggas and laughed like they had planned for us to laugh and they wrote a script that shit was on the fly that was live. I said oh that funny as hell. Chad. I gotta give him his flowers, girl. Yeah, he's funny. Would you ever go on a stream? I think I would go on a stream. I would have to. Mentally I think I would go.

[A]

I think I would go just because you know like why? Why not? And I. I feel like I can hold my own. I think like sometimes when I've watched some of the like clips from the streams of like high stream or whomever and it'd be like mad in there. I think I would get overstimulated and I think I would be like. But I feel like maybe if I was comfortable if I had a buddy or something it could be cool or maybe if we met before so I could like at least get that like familiarity. But like sometimes it do be seeming a little over stimulating for my liking. But I I definitely wouldn't mind being em on a stream because it seems like they're just being there, having a good time. Like it's never anything serious and I'm not a serious ass. So it's like I'll go in there and like do whatever the y', all.

[B]

You know is doing.

[A]

Like what y' all doing? Playing ping pong. And like, I don't know.

[B]

Kai is purposely over stimulating though. That's like his brand.

[A]

There are a couple.

[B]

There's a girl on TikTok, Jordan Lucas who streams as well. Like they're I love. There are girl streamers. I think just because Kai is the biggest and has been for a long time, we always think of him or doodle garbage ddg. Oh, you don't really do the garbage, y'. All. I just think it's funny because any doodle joke is always gonna make me laugh. But there's so much that. That's what you think of. Yeah, but that's really not how all the streams go. Some of them are really chill.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then again for sure.

[A]

Yeah, I definitely would go.

[B]

Shantae was watching when I had went to see the babies shout out to the twins. They turned one month late yesterday and it was helping her give a mommy break and like carrying them. He was doing like another 24 hour live stream. And every time someone dropped, you know, they have like galaxies, like tick tock. Like if you pay a whole bunch of money, $20, they're gonna drop whatever in the chat. And his bed and Kai was sleeping because he had been up all night and they would spin the bed around essentially like wake him up. An animatronic bed. And I'm like, this is just chaotic and.

[A]

And that like. And it was only two people in the room.

[B]

They just had a white man playing drums and Kai sleeping. So people obviously trying to purposely wake Kai up and it's like, this is chaotic. But like that's. I'm saying that's his brand. It's not just so sims though.

[A]

It's so funny. It's so sims.

[B]

Yeah, no, literally sims as fuck.

[A]

Well, I do want to answer another question that we got and I saw that you answered it already, but I want to answer for the masses. Someone asked and it's funny because of the way they said, let me get straight to business. Hey ladies, is this going to be the new format? When I tell you that comment had me screaming. She said, yeah. Quick question. Hey ladies, is this gonna be the new format interviews? And you know what? It's a, it's a twofold thing on one end. Guys. We have to elevate we have to grow. We have to, you know, continue to grow. And that's always been our goal. Like, to continuously grow and to be able to do those interviews, that's always been the goal. But on the other end, y' all are real. As for even wanting to hear just us, like, that's actually so dope to me that y' all care enough about our platform that we build that y' all are like, no, I. Yeah, the guests bring back my. I ain't gonna lie. Like, that's tough.

[B]

I'm gonna lie. Like, that kind of gassed me up a little bit.

[A]

Like, you.

[B]

Know, when I saw that comment, I instantly listened to the group chat like, the bitches want us.

[A]

But to answer your question, we are going to continuously do interviews, but we are also going to continuously do things like this, where it's just me and Mecca, where we're kind of like, get back to the basics, right? We want it to be a mix. We want to give you guys variety, because that's just who we are in general. Like, we are some variety ass. And, like, we want to keep switching up because I think it makes it fun for us. Makes it fun for y'. All. Like, you never know what to expect. Expect. And we're going to continue to try to push the envelope, too. Like, I ain't gonna lie to you. We. Next round. Next round.

[B]

Like, I feel like each round we do this, it's just gonna keep growing. Like, I think we're gonna keep getting, like, even bigger names, which. Each round. So. And that's. And that's how that goes. I did think it was important for us to drop our interviews with other people, both. Both musical guests and non musical guests, so that we could get y' all used to that format. So that wasn't like something that was wrong. I do think moving forward, we are gonna try and, like, mix it up a little bit. Like a guest. Yeah, a guest. Us. Music. Us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then we just had. You know how you just have to get people used to. And so we were just like, we just gotta drop these so y' all know what the going on, what type of time we on, and then we'll get back to businesses.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So. And I was gonna say, and again.

[A]

We had a couple of days to do everything, so it's like, we honestly just. Time to add in just our own episodes. Like, baby, we had to cram all the people in. But we're definitely going to keep the same format as far as this right here. Now we'll say what you could possibly see change in the near future is more just in person with me and Mecca versus the virtual. But because we still have distance issues, you know, Mecca is still in, in Houston right now. This is the easiest way we can do this. So again, things are going to continuously be evolving and changing. One thing you can never expect from us is to be stagnant.

[B]

Oh, never. You know, and I wanted to talk about that because I feel like sometime when people are trying to elevate. This is so cliche. And Kev literally just told me, he sent me a follow up message. But you know how it's like when you're elevating and it seems like you're on the precipice of greatness, then shit starts going left, Shit starts going wrong. Yeah. I am a big proponent that that is God testing you or that's universe, whatever you subscribe to. Because it's just happened too many times in my life where it's like right when I was getting the on now it's like to the neck. It's just like God seeing if you can handle, handle the pressure, handle the blessings. Because shit's not always going to go right. Like, I'll be transparent and be like, yo, I thought I was going to be. I thought I was going to have a place secured in Atlanta. Like, probably when I was over there doing the thing, I thought it was going to be way easier to find a place. Now I'm like, okay, financially, it would make more sense for me to wait till next year. But then also in addition to that, like, I've had some personal things. We're still in the process of, like, my dad's trying to move here. Then his mother died last week. So my grandmother died last week. And I'm just looking at the year. I'm like, oh my God. Like, it's like things are going so well, but then things are, things are going kind of wrong, but things are going so good. It's like a really good mix for me right now. And I'm like, okay, but this is exactly how this goes. Because I've been in this place before where I felt like I was elevating and was going left, like right when I was getting to the point where I was being like, known for tick tock. Then I was put in a position where I was like forced to quit my job over like racist issues. And this was a lot. And then it's like I started my own spot. But like, that wasn't the smoothest transition. Like something happened that Was the catalyst for all that. So I say all that to say, yeah, girl, don't be feeling like God done forsaken you and you and you just out asked out. You know, it'll work out. You just gotta. You know, diamonds is made under pressure. All the things folks say, you have to, you know, stay vigilant and on your course. Don't deviate just because things are getting a little bit hard. Harder than you expected.

[A]

Yeah. Something I started doing is video diaries because, one, I'm lazy, and I don't feel like typing all that in. And I like to write. I like to talk. Not in that way, no, because I. When it's. When it's about my thoughts, I just. Girl, I just need to talk it out because, like, you know, it's just so many things I just need to kind of, like, flesh out. It's easier for me to just talk versus, like, trying to, because I. Y' all have to. Y' all really underestimate. Under essay, with my brain, if I'm typing out my feelings via a journal entry, next thing I know, I'm adding, that was never in my mind. You know what I'm saying? Now it's. Now it's fan fiction. I can't do that because I get to thinking too hard, and now I'm creating that. That ain't even a part of your own thought. So I got to just talk off the dome. And so that has been. Thank you. I had to grab the charger. The. My thing is about to die. But, yeah, that has been something that I've been doing, and I feel like it has been very, very healing for me, because as we are, like, elevating via the platform, it is feeling like a pressure on your chest. Almost like I got my titties done and I haven't yet. But it's like, whoa, the pressure is getting worse. And it's like. But it's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's so weird because it's. It. It's still a good pressure, but it's pressure nonetheless. And it's still. People underestimate how happiness can also trigger anxiety, Especially for someone like me, who has a whole anxiety disorder. Boo. And I ain't gonna lie. I stopped taking that medication a while ago. I should probably get back on. But, you know, sometimes I like to live raw and just to see how it could go.

[B]

But crazy. It's insane to say, yeah, let me just Raw dog life.

[A]

Yeah, let's raw it.

[B]

I love raw. I love it raw. It's not always the Safest option. As Jamila well just said, it's actually.

[A]

Never the safest option. But if we're gonna be real, it's sometimes an option.

[B]

Sometimes it's the most fun.

[A]

Most times. Most times. I am not a fan of latex. I'm not a fan of condoms. I don't think anyone is really a fan of condoms. I'm a fan for their. Their usefulness. Right like what they're made for. Like you know, shout out to safe sex and protecting us from spreading diseases and infections. However, can we figure out a better way to do that?

[B]

Condoms irritate me so bad because it's like afterwards your pussy smells like a tire and I really. I like that is something that like that irritate me so it just smell like. Damn. This smelled like burnt rubber. Just in my puss all that Fritz. And it literally smells the same as if a skirt from a car tire and it's like oh my God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No.

[A]

You could walk in somebody room and like some.

[B]

It was so Trojan. Magnum.

[A]

Per Purple.

[B]

Purple T. You know what was it? Ky?

[A]

This one of them thins. This one skins.

[B]

Now the skins feel a little nice cuz they have them ribs.

[A]

And let me just say that Magnums are by far the worst.

[B]

They're just good branding magnets. Is just an example of good solid branding. Because as a woman the way them shits feel inside of you, you can tell the difference between a magna like the other ones. Like it just is like oh yes. Magnum that like and Magnum I was gonna say and Magnum still has their. Their rubber thick as like this is literally your stick.

[A]

Magnums are made out of gloves. Like real deal gloves.

[B]

Hate it. But get. You need to go get one of them jelly rib so I can feel the photo ribbing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Let me feel something in my walls or something. You know it's very sensitive.

[A]

Yes. Get the one that is labeled skin. Those are really thin. It's.

[B]

It's still gonna smell like burnt rubber. But yeah, I feel better.

[A]

And there are some latex free condoms. I don't think I've ever tried a latex.

[B]

I do know about latex free condoms because girls is allergic to latex. So she was very.

[A]

I think I am. I don't know what happens if you're.

[B]

Allergic to latex and you're a little bit swoll up. I actually think a lot of women are allergic to life.

[A]

And see here's the thing with that. I don't know if the swelling is from. I don't know what's it from.

[B]

Is it from you? Because, you know, the thing is, sometimes this is why sex is so scary. Sometimes when you start swelling, like, 24 to 48 hours right after. It could be for a multitude of reasons. You could have been given something. Or he could. He could have just been going so hard that she.

[A]

Are lots of blood vessels in that area, and therefore it. Lots of blood flow restriction, swelling.

[B]

I figured this out with someone in particular who I actually around and went and got tested because I thought I had something. And they were like, no. And the OB was like, I think the friction.

[A]

Hey, you're bruised.

[B]

No, no, Literally, white bald man. I think that you.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Friction. It's. This is what it looks like sometimes when we're really excited. The way he said it to me. Mind you, I'm like, 19. He's.

[A]

Because he's trying to be like, you slut. Or you've been. Oh, yeah. That's what happens when you be ho. Std.

[B]

He actually literally the out of you. I said, oh, my God. Oh, thank God. Okay, well, I'm okay with that, right? No, that I can do. That's okay.

[A]

Great. That I can do. Well, thanks, doc.

[B]

I don't really have anything else. I don't have any more questions. Yeah, safe sex, though, guys. Don't listen to anything we're saying. Use condoms is the best X.

[A]

And go get tested.

[B]

Even if you use every three months and after a raw with the new partner, that's what you should. I don't know. You know, the way that they. They don't push sexual health the way they did when we were, like, in high school and college. It's really strange. I know. It's. I know it's because of. No, because they're pushing the conservative climate.

[A]

But like I was gonna say, because they're. They're pushing accidents, which is if you're gonna push abstinence, you have to also push that in a proper way. You cannot push absence without also talking about sex. That. That's only gonna make them want to.

[B]

Watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I have learned so many terms for what people who are highly conservative do. Like what young people do when they still want to have sex. These were on their talk. I think it's called ceiling soaking.

[A]

Soaking.

[B]

And that's when.

[A]

Yes. Where they just put it in.

[B]

No, we're not even talking about the same thing. That's something completely different. Oh, seal. Sealing is where you lay on. Y' all are naked and you lay on top of each other and you just up and down, but it's not penetration. So you're essentially him with your stomach. And. And they said a couple other terms. The other one that they said it was basically dry hunching with clothes on where they're. They're like. They're like humping. But they have a name for that.

[A]

I do like doing that. So the thing is, without being Mormon, you don't even have to be Mormon.

[B]

No shade. Bring back sexual tension. We do this. We do this once every three months. Yeah, we do this. Exactly.

[A]

We have an agenda. Bring back back to our agenda of sexual tension and foreplay and building up the moment. Arousal is really important for the best. Just sex. You cannot fully enjoy yourself if you're not fully aroused.

[B]

Dry humping. Humping in general is so sensual. I do. I do. In. In my prime, when I was definitely bopping and rocking to the boys's house, my move was like, okay, we're. We're watching a movie. We're fully clothed. But you're trying to, like, stick your fingers in my pants. Not really. I will hop on you on the couch and, like, ride you. But we're both fully clothed. And you see how I got him aroused.

[A]

And you got that hard gene texture.

[B]

Just constraining your throbbing member.

[A]

Yes. You know, and then you can feel his member on the other side. And it's like you guys are connecting. You guys are one with. With heavy petting and grabs and gropes and lots of kissing and nudging and things and tickles and tickles and. And. And. And whispers, you know? Oh, to be a girl.

[B]

I just. I'm just a girl. Oh, to be a woman, you know, I don't know. Literally, Elantra reminded me on Saturday when we were swimming that she walked in on a boy fingering me in college. And I had completely. Mind you, what made. Okay, what made me laugh is because when I think about that story, I think about, like, he whipped his dick out and I was like, immediately, no. Right. But the fingering part, I completely put out my mind because when she said it, I said, no, I didn't. But then she's like, yes, you did. And I paused and I said, no. But that does sound like me because I. I never wanted. I never wanted actual peeing, but I would absolutely let a finger me, because again, okay, I. You're never gonna get, like, fingers, whatever, if you're manicured and your hands are clean. Yeah, I don't know. Get me off, baby. Bring back fingering. The lesbians have perfected the art It's a dying art. Fingering can be just as satisfying as penetration when done by the right hand, when in the right. Y' all aren't hearing me, though.

[A]

Yes, well, yes, absolutely.

[B]

Diaries from my hotels.

[A]

There is an odd to it. Yes, there is an all to it, interestingly enough. I don't know what the fuck I was gonna say because we went on a finger tangent. But real briefly, I think we should get some serious for a moment and talk about politics in the state of the world. Jaden Smith. You ate with that bar. Jaden Smith. We speak your name. It's time to talk about freaking socioeconomic.

[B]

Just water out the box.

[A]

Listen. So as you guys know, and who knows what the state of the world will be by the time this drops ever changed so rapidly. But a couple of days ago, Charlie Kirk was popped in his karate, and.

[B]

That spawned another white conservative republic. Can man sis. Very important to say someone from his own party line. I think that's important to say.

[A]

Yes. And it has sparked so much conversation. I don't really want to spend time talking about Charlie because unlike his base, I don't think he was that important to create a legacy or to. To become a martyr. So I won't really spend too much time talking about him and his rhetoric. We already know he was on and. But I do kind of want to talk about how things played out afterwards because I think that was such a great case study. And I think truly it's going to be something that's talked about for a while, because I saw people all of a sudden develop a level of empathy only a child could have. I'm like, oh, this is so interesting. And then on the other end, I'm watching people kind of do the opposite and damn near, you know, rejoice and all these things. It was definitely two polar sides to this conversation. And then we also get into the old ticket tick tock beef of it, all of, you know, tick tockers having their opinions, and now it's this and that. And it's like, man, our politics in this country have left politics and they have entered into personal vendettas against things. And I think that that's really interesting. I kind of want to start leaning more into politics on my page in a. In a slightly different, more cheeky way, because policies have gotten to a point where it's like do or die bed style. And while I think politics are super important, we are giving things the label of politics and policy that aren't. And I think that's how we got A Charlie Kirk. We are, you know, propping him up to be a political figure, but he's never held political office.

[B]

And see that the thing is, to be a politician, you do have to hold political office. Yeah. It's actually a requirement to be like, the politician is the person whose job is the politics.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

And even you can get into politicians who have rhetoric that has nothing to do with politics per se, but they still nonetheless hold the job of they have the office. Right. I would consider Charlie Kirk a conservative, not even conservative, because I don't necessarily equate MAGA with conservatism. And I want to touch on that in two seconds. Influencer, like, for all intended purposes, he is like, what was this? He was on Jubilee. He's an influencer. He's a content creator. Like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Not a politician. And we, we talked a little bit about this back during the election when we were talking about leftist views and how we weren't necessarily agreeing with, like, the tick tock leftists. I think, you know, we come from families that are like most people are you. Your family's Republican or they're Democrat and usually fall in line with what your family goes. But then there could be. I think at 10 years ago, it could be things where it's like, I don't necessarily agree with that. I don't agree with that. And because of TikTok and other social media platforms, we've compounded the idea that you have to do or die with all of your party's choices. Which is why post election, I said, I'm not going to consider myself a part of any political party because there are definitely things on both sides that I critique, I have issues with. And I think what my experience when Kamala Harris was running, when I was saying very valid, you know, concerns and criticisms of her choices when she was holding previous political positions, I was met with, well, well, well, you just, you just need to shut up because this could make people not vote for her and da, da, da. I didn't come from that type of family. My people sit and have CNN on the. You know, I saw a girl say that. She was like, do you come from an arguing family? Who. We're gonna. We're gonna watch CNN and argue about what we think and not really argue, but more so debate. Yeah, I don't. I said, y' all talking about. Does not even compute in my head because no one could ever make me do some. I'm not gonna do just because a said she didn't agree with. Whatever the going on, you See what I'm saying? I'm gonna go and do independent research. I'm gonna develop my own opinion. And I feel like with the Internet, it always has to be either this or that. And it's like, so let's nip it in the bud. I don't want to be known as either Democrat or Republican. I want to be known as Mecca. And I'm gonna ask the questions that I think are important. That lines up with my, like, political and my moral beliefs.

[A]

Yeah. And I think it's also important. Something that I do and I encourage people to do is sometimes you have to allow people to talk out loud, and it's. I'm trying to figure out a way to explain this better. So, for example, Republicans have this thing that they do, and this. This is a critique on both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party at the same time. So watch how I do this. This. The Republicans have a tactic that they do where they call Democrats socialists. Right. As a dis. As a means of a scare tactic, as a means to an end. Right. While also the Democrats have an issue with not, number one, saying that they're not socialists, because they are absolutely not. And number two, not ever pushing back on them about what that even means. And so now what we have is just kind of like a. No, you are. No, you are. No, you're this. No, you're that. People on both sides throughout these terms and these talking points that. That they never flesh out. You ask a Republican right now what a socialist is. What is socialism? They would not be able to tell you. They would simply be like, Venezuela. That's all they will say. And then, honestly, the same with the Democrats. That's why they always just reject him. Like, oh, no, that's. That's not what this is. Even though if you're fighting for universal health care, yes, that's socialism. But they don't want to. They don't know how to push back. Because I. I think a lot of people don't know what these things are that they're saying. You coming on here trying to say, hey, guys, I think that it's a good idea for us to vote for Kamala, because I think she's a better choice than Trump. That person is not now a fascist. You following me? You can't just throw words and throw things out there and hope that they stick and hope it's going to scare somebody into falling in line. There is so much conversation without conversation. Y' all just talk. Y' all just talking a damn talk. Don't even know what the hell y' all are talking about. And I think that is, is helping this rogue side of, of people. Because my issue with the Democrats is. Well, there are several. You know what I mean? There's several, there's. There's a, a multitude of issues that I have with the Democratic Party. But a really huge issue I have which is going to continuously have them lose elections is the way in which they alienate their base consistently because they are always focused on trying to kiss the ass of Republicans. Right? But in the same token trying to dehumanize Republicans. And I don't know if y' all think that that's working, boo, but it's not. You know, as we can all agree that a lot of Republicans are uneducated, a lot of them are probably racist, probably classes, probably all these things that does not take away their humanity. And the more that you do that, the more you're pushing them farther and farther. Right? And that's how we get those rogue fringe groups like the nigga who popped Charlie. Because while yes, he's more so kind of like on this Republican conservative, the, the right side of the aisle, that nigga is way more fringe and more deeply integrated into these alt right pipeline than, than Charlie was. Because we create this like system, this ecosystem in politics where if you are honestly not a centrist, you are going to be called radical. And honestly this idea of radical term, it scares people. Nobody wants to be labeled. You know what I'm saying? It's so overused and it's like you guys use radical for everything and it's, it's just like again, it's always a scare tactic on both sides and it's so frustrating to watch because it's like why are you calling people who are, you know, saying that they want a free Palestine, why are you immediately calling them. What's the word when you don't like Jewish people? Oh, anti anti Semitic. Calling them anti Semitic like how. And saying that they are equivalent to Nazis and. Enough. Stop it. Everybody just needs to take a breather. So yeah, I'm just kind of, I'm just, I'm, I'm in a very Observatory state right now.

[B]

You know when my Observatory State started when I knew, I said, oh, y' all are doing too much. When Jennifer Aniston called Jamie Foxx anti Semitic for being black and saying they booed Jesus too. That is such a fault. The thing is, I know why people don't understand, but that is obviously an old ass black saying. I've been Hearing that in church my entire life. When people come up against you, literally when you're to the neck, when you have haters, don't trip because they boo Jesus too. Look what they did to Jesus.

[A]

That was the blackest thing could have said.

[B]

And she turned around and called an anti Semitic. I said, we're lost.

[A]

And I'm gonna take it a step further, because even if you didn't understand what that that phrase meant, the fact that you immediately jumped to anti Semitism lets me know that you are anti black. And that's what I'm going to stand on. Because this idea that black people are innately trying to be discriminatory or innately negative or innately wrong in this kind of way, I think draws back to anti black.

[B]

Because biblically, the Jewish. Jewish people weren't the only people who booed Jesus. Number one. And Jesus was a damn Jew.

[A]

One and two.

[B]

What are we talking about?

[A]

Jesus was a Jewish man. What are we talking about?

[B]

Then also.

[A]

Shut up. The Taco Bell.

[B]

It's then also like, contextually, the way he used it. It's like you read Jamie Foxx overcoming controversy and people saying he was fake. Way sick, whatever. And you read that. And him being like, you know what? I gotta keep going. Because they booed Jesus too, and said this hates Jewish people.

[A]

And you said, yeah, stupid bitch. That shit irritated me so bad. You just like, girl. And it's just like, again, the idea that you are always looking for black people to be wrong in this way. You. The way you reached bitch. Like, that shit is so like. And it's always happening. It's always happening for us, even with this. And I think that it's why.

[B]

Why y' all calling threatening to bomb Hampton and a white shot theme? Wait, hold on.

[A]

He was. He. They.

[B]

The folks who got him up out of here are over on his party line. I don't know if you saw the. The clip of the boy's grandmama. She got offended that thought they were liberal. She said, no, we are mag. I said, girl, you just like, oh, okay, okay.

[A]

Even worse, his family and, and, and, and I, and I have a thesis statement.

[B]

Drop it.

[A]

You know, I, I'm full of theses and feces. The killer was always going to be someone who more so aligned with the right than the left. Because when you talk about violence, when you talk about these quote unquote political ideologies, although the left side of the aisle, the Democrats, anybody who would be blue and all of those right, although there are absolutely issues and problems that I am always going to be hypercritical of. For the most part, the, the ideologies and the policies and the political thought are all aligning with an idea of peace, unity. Right? When you look at the right side of the aisle, it's. It's specifically the opposite. It is specifically about separation. It is specifically about upholding this idea of I have to protect me and mine this idea of upholding the second amendment over any other goddamn amendment. Right. The right side of the aisle is just inherently violent because of the policies that they promote. You cannot sit here and tell me that y' all genuinely thought that the shooter was going to be anything other than that. When you look at the statistics of these type of crimes, it's more than likely going to be somebody who has ties to that party, to that fan base, to that cult, because that's what they. And that's what they want to do. That's what they uphold, that's what they promote. I was. There was nothing shocking. I mind you, when I had made my video, I said, he got popped by a white man. That's before I even knew who the killer was. I said that off the strength of I, I just goddamn knew. I knew. I knew. And that's not to say that black people don't commit crimes or black people don't do things like this. It's just to say that when you're talking about the specific types of crimes, when you break down the types of crimes that people commit, white people are way more likely. And not even just white people, white boys are way more likely to commit those type of political, politically charged crimes because they fall down them pipelines that's on the Internet and they. And then let me take it another goddamn step further, them damn parents. Because why the you don't know your kid is falling down an alt right pipeline and you're not stopping they ass because every time a school shooter get they ass up there and kill them goddamn babies, their parents want to be like, I don't know, I didn't know a thing. But they computer filled with guns and all type of bullshit on the Internet.

[B]

When little moms first came to live with me in 12 and I said, I had, I had my daddy old dummy phone and I had her icloud connected to it and I was reading them damn text messages. I this might not even just be a white, a black white issue. Y' all was in my comments telling me I was too strict. She was in middle school, I shouldn't be in a business. I said, oh, Let me shut the up because I'm gonna tell. I'm gonna call y' all some dumb ass. What the hell privacy do you need at 12 years old? No, no, there, I said it. And that. And that might also consider old and black. That's why the kid. That's why y' all kids is.

[A]

And. But you know what's crazy? I think that they take this idea of privacy and apply it as if, as if you are an adult. Like children do children deserve privacy? As you know, just blanket privacy. Yes. Everyone deserves a level. A level, a level of privacy. Right. However, for you to not know that your child is falling down a pipeline like that is crazy because that only could mean a couple of things. Number one, you're not paying a tension to your kids. We already know that. You're not talking to your children. Okay? You allow your children to stay in their rooms all goddamn day and right away, not even bathing. You know. You know white people already got three baths a week and that baby only took one.

[B]

I'm telling you, I had a middle.

[A]

He missing his three day quota.

[B]

No, I know what was going on because I had the middle schooler in my house for two years. Number one, that damn game. You should be allowed to play the game. Play that game in the living room where I'm walking in and out and I can hear what's going on. I want to hear them.

[A]

Them cusses.

[B]

I wanna hear. Number two, y' all aren't aware. I couldn't believe Roblox was so weird. It was so much going on in the Roblox and the chats and the fact like I know for a fact y' all are not checking these children's socials. Maybe because you don't feel like it. Maybe because you're invading privacy. Privacy, your child's safety is, is at risk here.

[A]

And, and there's a way to do that without having to be invasive.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

You don't have to read every single message and thing. But there is absolutely a way you can, can, can do your due diligence. Right? With. Because. And I think the intention matters too. You shouldn't just. I don't. I personally don't think you need to be reading your kids text messages for the of it. Right. Just so you can be nosy and try to be in your kid's business and then being invasive in that way because then you're gonna also be trying to find stuff. And then now they're getting in trouble for just expressing themselves and having communication that can get weird. However, if your intention is to maintain that there's a level of safety going on, your kid might be cussing, your kid might even be saying something crazy. Your kid might be cussing you out to you. That's not the point. Right. The point is safety and awareness. You need to know what's going on relatively. But then you also need to be following that up with conversations. A lot of y' all just be wanting to be invasive just for the of it then not having conversation and you're building up this resentment and this animosity towards your kid and then when it explode on them later for that they don't even know you know about, y' all need to be having follow conversations. You need to know what's going on at that schoolhouse. You need to know that your kid is a nuisance when they go to school. And they running up them goddamn walls and scared every goddamn body. You need to know if your kid is scary, they don't be giving a damn. I'll never forget it was these scary ass kids. I'm like baby, let me be nice. But I was scared he was gonna come shoot that goddamn up that up every goddamn day. Luckily we was safe. But I guarantee you I was not the only one that felt that way. And I hate this idea that it be the bullied. It'd be the, the small frail bullied kid that shoot up a school. No, the it's not. It'd be the crazy ass mean rude ass who be shooting up them goddamn schools.

[B]

Should have known that from there.

[A]

And if he was bullied, you probably.

[B]

Should have known that from.

[A]

Because every time they go through them goddamn phones, they and them damn computers, what they doing. How to kill as many people as possible. How to get a hold of a gun. Mind you, the guns that they get.

[B]

Always miraculously legal come from.

[A]

They have come from that damn daddy. Why do you as a parent have 50, 11 damn guns in the house just. Just loose?

[B]

Why are they so accessible to minors?

[A]

Are you crazy? Why are you buying your your 10 year old kid a gun? You're weird. I don't care. You're weird.

[B]

It's strange.

[A]

And you need to go to jail too. Whip the parents ass. I'm ready to beat the baby the up.

[B]

You know I watched that, I watched that, I watched that documentary Sunshine Boy, which is about one of the Columbine shooters, Dylan. And it's made by his parents made it and his parents made it as a way to exactly what we're talking about because obviously they felt the feelings of you. Of. Oh, the parents too. And they were like, we legitimately had no idea this was going on. That's number one. But we also. And you know what?

[A]

In 1990, whatever. I'll give you that.

[B]

But I will say if you watch.

[A]

The documentary because they was one of the earliest they.

[B]

They took response. They said, we did not know what he was down there in the basement playing on the game. We didn't know. You should do your due diligence to check what your kids is doing. That documentary is so motherfucking sad. Because his mama is so sad to this day. His daddy's so sad to this day, I bet. And it was just really on some like, we. That's not even like that side of him. We didn't know. And when we was reading what he was looking up, I was just shocked. But then I didn't go down in the basement and check what he was doing. And that's what you need to be doing with your kids. I think all parents should be allowed to watch that documentary for real. Because that's what happens when you think you raising a decent human being. And then that human goes out and just.

[A]

My baby would never. Your baby will be the first and.

[B]

Does some fuck shit. And you're just blown back. And now you got to deal with the repercussions of the actions. Everyone's saying, you too. And now you also up because you don't agree with what the. Did you also think it's wrong. It's still your child. You loved your goddamn child and you trying to figure out where the you went wrong. Exactly. Yep. Looking.

[A]

Yep, yep, yep.

[B]

And with that, let's spin it, girl. I ain't got else to say. Hold on.

[A]

And, and, and. Cause. Cause shout out to the Unknown Number documentary and Chloe's badass parents. That's why Chloe is a bully now. Cause her damn parents is a bully. It always starts from the home.

[B]

But low key justice for Chloe. Cause I'm not gonna hold you.

[A]

She may not have sent the messages, but she threw them carrots.

[B]

My girl definitely threw them damn carrots, girl. She threw them carrots. Hella carrots.

[A]

And mind you, me and Jelani was watching together. When she sat the down. I said, oh, that is a bully. The way she sat down. Oh, she bullies out.

[B]

She said, yeah, I'm Chloe.

[A]

I'm Chloe. I said, oh, she's a bitch.

[B]

When the school principal was like, no, y' all cannot come up here and question a child. What the.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm so happy. At least One of these adults has since because Chloe's parents don't have no goddamn sense either. No. No damn sense, he said. Just no, you cannot come up here.

[A]

Can I make another connection really quick? Her daddy is a cop and had that Blue Lives matter flag hanging. Thank you. There's always a connection. There's always a pipeline.

[B]

Pipeline. Chloe probably went back to school and threw the whole damn vegetable garden at them. I ain't gonna lie. Especially, especially she said she really didn't do it. And all y' all mamas tried to run down on her. That's why her parents was cracking jokes. Because they in this particular situation, y' all was wrong and y' all will never hear the end of it. That girl really didn't do that.

[A]

And now, and now she got another.

[B]

Gonna make you pay.

[A]

But see, while parents, while there are parents like that who be right. And I'm not saying Chloe's gonna be a school shooter, but just, you know, he was making a connection in the pipeline, right? While those type of parents who don't pay attention but also feed into these pipelines because it always starts from home. Because where have you seen a very civil rights forward parent raise a maga? It's, it's rare. I'm not saying it don't happen, but baby, it's rare. So your politics that you have is going to be influenced, influencing your kid, right? So you have these MAGA Republican conservative ass parents raising school shooters because they also don't be paying the attention. Right? All of that's happened. But you know what happens on the other end, on the other end of the spectrum when you have a daddy like mine. Jelani was getting in trouble for doing protests outside of the school. That's all I got to say. Let's spin it.

[B]

Well, I got in trouble for first during the Pledge of Allegiance.

[A]

So you know what I'm saying. We, we didn't get in trouble for the same things.

[B]

No, I don't want to stand up.

[A]

That's all I'm saying.

[B]

Told me you can't make me.

[A]

Hello. I stopped standing for the pledge in middle school, baby. I, I, y' all better ask about me. I stayed in trouble. I stayed on them crackers. Well, why Mecca goes and gets her charger. I'm gonna go ahead and introduce our segment. I know you guys have missed, missed this so much. We are back with our segment Spin it where we take some of yalls crazy low down, dirty, nasty gutter snipe situations and we give y' all our best PR spin On it now. Full disclaimer, y', all, before some of them get up in the comment section trying to clock our tea. No, we are not PR professionals, nor have we ever worked in pr, but are. However, we are communications girlies. We did study it in school and it's something we just kind of like to do. So this is just. We're just here to give our little spin and, and just have a little bit of fun with it. Dick. Right, so here we go. We reading listener letters. Oh, but they not we reading listener letters. These are relationship issues. Shut up. Anyways, hi Mecca and Jamila. Loving the podcast. I want some advice. I'm 22 and still living with my parents. Growing up my parents were pretty strict. They wouldn't allow me to hang out with my friends a lot, would surveil my phone constantly and didn't allow me to date in high school. It wasn't until college that they've loosened up though. They don't try to control who I hang out with as much and I'm allowed to go on dates. However, they still don't allow me to go over a man's house. There's this guy who, who's 26 I've been talking to that doesn't live far from me. I don't want to date him. I see him as more friend with benefits. I enjoy his company and he's really cute. I like to. I'd like to want to hang out with him more but the thing is he's perpetually broke. Okay, what's the what we at? We got two different problems but okay. He often doesn't have money to go out on to go out to places. Excuse me. And that's the only way I'm able to see him due to my parents rules. So I want to try to convince my parents. I believe as sweet 2 year old making my own money having just recently graduated from college, I should not have to live by these rules. In college I would hang out with the guy's place whenever I'd want. I miss that freedom because sometimes a girl just wants to cuddle in bed with her sneaky link. What can I say my parents to get to let them be okay with me going over his house. P.S. they asked me to share my location every time I go out with him. So it's no seeking around. Please help TLDR. I'm 22 and my parents won't allow me. Oh, that was just the boom. Now as a, as a lady who had stricter parents, okay, my parents were strict not, not like od, right? It wasn't like, you know, were you.

[B]

Still living at your parent with your parents?

[A]

I had two. I had a couple. You know what I'm saying? I had a couple as well. So I had my first move out of 18 when I went to Hampton, then I moved back at home and then I moved out of again when I was 20, 21, moved back again when I was pregnant, then moved back out when I was like 25, 26 or something like that. So yeah, I definitely had stricter parents growing up. I was definitely like sleepovers. I've had a few sleepovers, but it was very, very few and far in between. And it was very, very strict around them. Parts. Dating was something that honestly I was scared to do. I just didn't even want to do that. I didn't have my first boyfriend until literally my senior year and the, the second semester later, half. So I definitely understand where you're coming from, but let me tell you something right now. I wish my parents would try to tell me what I can and cannot do after 18 outside of that goddamn house. Okay? I was always ready to be grown. And baby, I told them straight up, as long I'm 18 and that's what the I did. And no shade, you too scared of your parents still. And, and, and, and, and I don't mean this in a way of saying that you need to disrespect your parents because you do still live there. But like you're scared of your parents, as if they can give you a whooping and it's like, can they? Maybe you need. And if your parents can still give you A whooping at 22, you need to have different conversations with your parents. Sometimes you need to tell your parents, like, and the thing is our parents are so used to being our parents that they, it sometimes takes them a minute to be like, oh, they're grown. I need to back off. And sometimes that takes you, you bucking up on them a little bit like, yo, like, I get it, sister. But like, no, and, and that's something that you're gonna have to do. You are going to have to be a grown ass if you want to be treated like a grown ass. Now that's not to say you won't be able to bring today home that, you know, I'm saying whatever goes on in the sanctity and the, the squares and the quarters of their home, that's on them, sister. I can't even help you, especially if you black. I don't know if you black? You didn't say that. But if you're black, baby, good luck. Suck. But outside them quarters, them living quarters, please. I. I would. My. What's. It's crazy that you even asked your parents permission. Because one thing about me, I didn't even think about asking my parents permission when I turned 18 for. Because I couldn't wait to be grown. I was born to be grown.

[B]

So the first issue here is the man is broke. So I want to start there.

[A]

This shouldn't even really. That's the first issue that he's broke. The man that's broke, you can't even see. You can't even see the nigga without your fucking parents permission.

[B]

That's number one. But I understand that's not your greater question. I moved back home when I was about 22 after living, like, it sounds like your situation in my own apartment. So it was an adjustment. I think there have been. I've said this several times. Hindsight, 20 20. Would I have did as much as I did when I first moved back home? Probably to keep the peace between me and my mother. I might have relaxed it, but I'm definitely very much aware how me doing the most was necessary to alter the relationship. Relationship between me and my mother and establish very clear boundaries. I can't speak about everyone's mother, and I know that my mother means well, but especially when I was in my early. When I was in college, when I would come home for spring break, baby had boundary issues. Bad baby, like, thought I was still 13 years old. She could tell me what to do and when I came. And I let her do it when I was in college because it was like, I'm only here for two weeks, so whatever. But when I moved. When I moved back home and she was trying to tell me where I was gonna go, who I was gonna see, what I was gonna be doing after I had been young, hot, tender, fucking around.

[A]

Oh, and that's the worst. Like, after I done had all that.

[B]

Touch of freedom, baby. Hey, hell no, I ain't gonna do.

[A]

Bitch, I'm outside. You don't know what the fuck I was doing at that school.

[B]

Like Jamila said, I never disrespected her house and brought nobody in her house. Cause I definitely agree, this your house is your rules, schools. You not gonna tell me where I'm gonna be going. Now I remember me and my mom got into it so bad. And mind you, it really was innocent. My boyfriend at the time turned 21 in, like January. I didn't turn 21 until April. So he started going to the club and he would come pick me up from my mama house once he left the club, which was always at 2am because you don't have fresh. Fresh 21 year olds have to close the club down.

[A]

You don't leave the club at midnight at 21.

[B]

You're there for the whole time and then you, as a matter of fact you get kicked outside the club for a second, you go get some, like you don't know how to.

[A]

So he was, what we doing after this?

[B]

He was coming to pick me up from my house about 2, 3, 4 in the morning type. And I'll be ready, I'll be ready to go. And my mama told me, you just.

[A]

Acting like a whore, letting a boy.

[B]

Come and pick you up.

[A]

Ain't nothing open.

[B]

You don't have no self respect. Call me.

[A]

How much?

[B]

To a certain degree, I remember she said, how much you're selling it for? I said.

[A]

That is rude. Damn girl. For $2 and a six.

[B]

She was so mad at me, bro, mind you, this is my boyfriend. It's not even, it's not even a random. This the I'm with all the time. She know him. It don't even matter what I'm saying is there? I, sometimes I think like, damn, if I had just relaxed. If I had just, that would have saved me like literally seven months of drama, I swear to God. But then I'm like, but I, I, the way she left once we, once we powered through that little struggle, she left me alone. She ain't never said, you know what I'm saying? That was also necessary to provide like a clear adult boundary. Like, but I' ma do what I want to do. Like at the end of the day, mama, like, I'm not gonna disrespect your house, but you're not gonna stop me from walking in and out as long as I live here, you know, especially I, yeah, that's crazy. I, I wasn't totally bummed and I'd.

[A]

Be so gentle walking in, you know, I wasn't even loud.

[B]

I would just make me a little snack in the kitchen. I ain't do nothing crazy.

[A]

I'm, I, I know how to creep and crawl. I know how to creep and crawl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my computer is about to die.

[B]

Crying brb. Listen, I will also say if you have older parents, diaspora parents, black parents, you do have to disappoint them a little bit. I'm always a proponent. Disappoint your parents ever so slightly white because their expectations of you. If you let parents, especially certain brands of parents like the ones I just named, if you let them, they will treat you like you're 16 forever. And I'm not saying you don't have to do this by disrespecting your parents. You don't have to do this by breaking rules and disrespecting your parents household. Sometimes you putting up boundaries will be perceived as disrespect. Don't get it wrong. You even say that they against them. They're gonna be like, and that's why you're rude. But it's not, you're not necessarily being rude. You're like, no mom, I'm gonna go to the party. You know. And it's always such a catch 22 when it's like you're politely telling your parent like hey, I'm an adult, I'm gonna do this. No rudeness added. And they're still telling you you're disrespectful. That's also something you're definitely gonna have to deal with. Just so you know. Sister.

[A]

Yeah. What I will say as far as like advice because I, I can tell what type of parents you have and it gives. They might have a touch of that religious on it. So the little religious just guilt. They probably calling you all types of heers.

[B]

That's where my mama's coming from.

[A]

So here's, here's my advice to you so that you can. Because I know sometimes it's like you actually don't feel like, like trying to restructure and change your parent. And sometimes that's impossible. So it's like what's the easiest way for you to be comfortable? Like, you know, what's the, the compromise? So here's what you do. You need to go ahead and figuring out an exit plan, right? Because you living with your parents is not going to be. If you had a, a great setup, I would tell you to stay the there as long as you can. But I think it's going to end up being a little detrimental to the relationship of your parents. And I think if you have the type of parents that I have in the sense that we do need to live separately for us to be cool. We are. We got to live separately to be.

[B]

Cool to Baltimore within a year of moving back in with my mama.

[A]

You know what I mean? And that's not no shade. My parents is just, you know what I'm saying? When you're an adult, you live differently than when you were a kid. Mama got a man you have that type of situation, you know, she living.

[B]

In SID now so she ain't gonna with me too bad.

[A]

Right? So what, what I will say is figure out an exit plan. Right? And figure out what that timeline for the exit plan is. You said you're working. Okay cool. You need to be saving every damn dollar and you need to be figuring out is it. Is that a job that is able to sustain a life or is it one of those like part time jobs. Figure out, figure out the exit plan and get you a timeline and save up. And you don't even necessarily have to tell your parents that that's your plan because sometimes they go, well it could be. I can eat. Let me just, you know, I'm saying do what I can do. Right. And in the meantime between time sister, this is gonna.

[B]

You.

[A]

This is P.R. right? Right. This is, this is a spinning. I never said this was gonna be moral. This is never going to be ethical. Lie to your parents.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You never thought about lying. You're 22. Lie. You never lied to your parents. That's crazy. Like that that was actually the easiest.

[B]

Thing you could do.

[A]

Like in the meantime between time I.

[B]

Was always at my house.

[A]

Go out and who you want. Do you think they know every little not knows you with address was at my friend.

[B]

That's why they want her location.

[A]

Which and here's, and here's the funny thing but here's the thing about the location. When you, when you make this is when you really want to get in your lie bag. The more you give up and the more you're like participant in their the less they're going to be on your ass. So if you keep fighting the urge to send their location they're going to know you're on some versus if you you keep the location on you never change it and they ask you, you just got to be confident to lie. I was literally at so and so house.

[B]

That's your location.

[A]

Just gaslight them. Literally gaslight them and lie. And I know your parents are older because if they're that strict they're older and they're really baby lie. You're 22 again. Are they gonna beat your ass? If they are, that's a whole different conversation. And I can't help you with that because at, at 29, if my parents was to hit me right now, I would hit them back.

[B]

That's so crazy to say out loud.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Okay, Sean, Come on. Chantel.

[A]

Christy, you thinking Jack, you ain't gonna just be hitting me at the damn ripe age of 29, we ain't doing.

[B]

That push Jackie first. If I remember how that went right.

[A]

I think so too. But yeah, like that's. That's honestly my. And I feel like that's a great. That's a great tip for you. Start finding you somewhere else to stay. Save that money and lie and go get you some dick. Girl, you just not getting dicked because.

[B]

Your parents said no back down. You want dick From a broke 26 year old is also an issue for me.

[A]

And that's we do need to address right now.

[B]

Stop it. You're. And the only reason you're okay with.

[A]

It is because now. But see, here's the thing I was gonna say but here's the thing. At 22, most of the that we dealt with was broke. Like I'm not even gonna front on it and try to act like I was dealing with ballers and shy callers. At 22, I wasn't. But it was more so on the tip of like I just didn't even think that far into it. Like genuinely. It's just like. But of course they were both. So I'm not even gonna judge you too hard. But don't let. Don't let that be your. I tell you that much. And you said you don't like him that way. It's just friends with benefits. Okay, cool. Then friend would benefit it. And don't let that ever, you know, step too hard being that broken.

[B]

Cause a 26 year old ain't gonna with no broke ass 26 year old man. I think in the case of me and Jamila, we were also with our age being broke at 22 and broke at 26 is a bit different. You know what I'm saying? Because it's also like y' all are in the same. True. So I just want to go ahead 26 you.

[A]

It's to start settling out.

[B]

He's he with you. Cause he know he can't saying he can't pull up on no his age or older and be like I'm broke. That's. You can't even say no like that. I remember me at 26. That was that long ago. And it.

[A]

It's about time since she. I mean you still. You don't even know what good dick is. Now that I think about ain't no way you know what good dick is. You barely be doing it. So you just need to go get you something new. Something new and something fresh at a different location. A with a new location. Your parents ain't even familiar with. Your parents should again, your parents know too much of your information because you tell them too much. You too scared of your parents. You tell them everything. Your parents don't need to know everything you do. Like they're your parents, right? So of course they care about your safety. Cool, cool, cool. Them is not your home girls though. And that's no shade to parents. I know some people be homegirls with their parents, but everybody don't have that relationship with their parents. If you know your parents is overbearing and do the most then like we not homegirls. You're not going to know my everyday moves.

[B]

Notice the girls who be home girls with their mamas. There's also a boundary there. It usually happens like at this age, like I've noticed I'm becoming back home girls with my mama at right now because it's like I'm almost 30. You can't tell me a ass thing. Like we, we really is homegirls. We just chatting. You know, when you 22, there still is you still close enough to being they child that that dynamic has not all the way dispersed. So you can't really be home girls with. And I'm not. I know people be close to their mamas. But like when you go out who be paying? Like it does get to an age where you and your mama take turns picking up the check because both y' all grown.

[A]

Oh, I haven't got there yet. I don't think I'll ever get there. Never.

[B]

Actually your parents, I'm rebuking that together. They have a.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Your parents have a sense of togetherness and they're a two parent household.

[A]

You see what I'm saying? I was gonna say actually no. When I'm with my parents, I, I do revert back to being a child. I don't ever. I. My wallet don't even see the light of day. When I'm with my parents, I am your child.

[B]

Parents together, plural. But I will say when I'm with my dad, he might have some dementia, but if we get some food, baby, he pulling that wallet out. He ain't forgot that much. So you know, I love that. Now my mama good luck, she be asking me am I gonna pass?

[A]

Okay. Oh yeah.

[B]

That's why that, that pissed me off.

[A]

I'm not gonna lie. Anytime my mama get to talk about.

[B]

Paying for something, I never leave that family phone plan.

[A]

You 20, what are we talking about? Like that is so wrong. Like girl, you is my mother. Why would you ever ask me you should see the level of disgust that comes across me and my sibling's face when my parents get to talking about paying for any. What? Huh? No, no.

[B]

And then, you know, the thing is, I don't.

[A]

I don't have a wallet on me right now. I was just. It's just I'm here just body.

[B]

I brought that up a few months ago and I was feeling slightly bad. Then we decided she was gonna move into my house in Houston so I could be between Houston and Atlanta. And I said, and I'm. And we for sure that that phone family plan conversation is done for and don't ask again.

[A]

Matter of fact, I'm trying to figure out a way to add no one's line to it, actually. Hey, now I just feel like you don't want to. You know what I'm saying? I'm supposed to be your child forever. Let me be a child.

[B]

That's the only thing in every other way.

[A]

Let me be a child.

[B]

Come on now. That's why I had the same number since I was 13. You just going. Every time I get dogs gonna have to have my number child. I ain't gonna change literally.

[A]

Well, I might get another one.

[B]

I was gonna say I'm gonna add.

[A]

But yeah, I'm gonna get a new.

[B]

One, but I'm not gonna get rid of this one.

[A]

I hope that. I hope that information helped you, sister girl.

[B]

Good luck on all your endeavors.

[A]

Good luck on all of your endeavors. Going to them boys houses. But also, again, you could get creative. When I was in that age range, I was still busting the thing in a car every now and again, you know what I'm saying? That's when that, like, that still works.

[B]

You know, at 30, it never was really. Given that for me, you're much smaller. Okay, I'm not saying. I'm not saying big. I'm not saying don't in a car, but it like, it would have had to been like an Escalade or something, like some. With some room, a Tahoe, Suburban, suv. Oh, you had that little box. Kia Soul. Oh, your was roomy, though. I could have in Jamila's old car that. That Kia saw that box that had some room in it. I could have did that.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? That's when you're. When you're of a certain age, gets stupid. You're supposed to still be a little dumb and do reckless things, and you're still within that good space. And that's why it's very unfortunate that your parents Are this strict. And it's not even unfortunate your parents are district. It's unfortunate that you still listen to your strict ass parents being 22. Because as strict as your parents may be, are they hunting you down when you leave the house? Like that's what I'm like. I'm. I'm confused on you just abiding by it like oh, you such a good ass little girl. Good for you baby. But I know you don't want to be for too much longer. So I want you to fly free. Butterfly. Spread those wings and spread those legs.

[B]

Good luck.

[A]

Good luck on your endeavor.

[B]

Don't forget to send us back your spinach to at unhinged and immoral pod gmail.com we might read it on the show and give you some advice.

[A]

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[B]

Is that Noah? Thank you.

[A]

Yes. He just got home.

[B]

No, because I heard the door, and then I heard. I heard, like, little footsteps and, like, noises. I said, ah, Noah's home.

[A]

He's. He's fighting the urge to jump into the camera.

[B]

Oh, my God. Hey, Noah. Well, we'll wrap it up because Jamila has to go into mommy mode. What'd he say?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, y'. All. So we'll see y' all next week. Bye.

[A]

Bye.