Love is Blind | Unhinged & Immoral EP65

Summary

Unhinged & Immoral Ep. 65: Love is Blind

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Date: April 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Unhinged & Immoral finds hosts Jamila and Mecca juggling exhaustion, travel prep, and classic Southern banter as they delve into the blurred lines between family, fame, and boundaries. The duo draws on their backgrounds in PR and communications to dissect pop culture stories—from Love is Blind’s premise and reality TV obsession, to family feuds that play out in the public eye, the rise of "relatable" celebrity content, and healthy ways to leave toxic friendships behind.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Southern Life, Travel, and Beauty Supplies

[00:00 - 03:45]

• The hosts talk about their hectic schedules, prepping for trips, and Atlanta’s legendary beauty supply stores compared to those in Houston and L.A.
• Mecca swoons over “mini-mart” beauty supplies where you can get everything, while Jamila laments giving up her car and missing out on Atlanta’s superior press-ons.

Quote:

“Atlanta has some of the best beauty supplies I’ve ever seen. Houston is a hard second. The thing about our beauty supplies: there’ll be like three on the same street and they all have good.” — Mecca [02:03]

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2. Radio Voices, ‘Love is Blind’, and the Power of Voice

[03:46 - 07:56]

• Jamila muses about sultry radio voices, leading to a conversation about legendary Black radio hosts and how radio fame shaped perceptions before social media and video.
• They segue into Love is Blind, the Netflix hit about falling for someone without seeing them. Both hosts are skeptical about the premise, worrying about mismatches between imagination and reality.

Quotes:

“When you only hear a voice and then you see a nigga, it’s always going to be jarring..." — Jamila [06:27]
“I don’t think I could fall in love with someone off voice alone. If I’m not attracted to you, I don’t give a f*** about your voice.” — Mecca [07:19]

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3. Reality TV, Regional Accents & Cultural Representation

[08:00 - 12:43]

• Mecca just discovered Real Housewives of Rhode Island and talks about its cast, regional accents, and the Italian-American presence.
• The dialogue turns humorous, covering the “where are the Black people?” trope across various U.S. cities and the contrast in club vibes between Atlanta and places like Arizona.

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4. Hot Weather Preferences & Girl Trips

[13:00 - 16:48]

• The hosts compare heat in places like Arizona, Houston, and California, and riff on the unique city “temperature culture.”
• Discussion of bachelorette trips and why some destinations (like Arizona) appeal for relaxation despite not being “lit” or very diverse.

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5. Fame, Family, and Financial Expectations

[16:49 - 29:20]

• Using Glorilla's family drama as a launching point, Mecca and Jamila explore the expectation that once someone “makes it”, they owe their family financial support.
• The hosts reflect on their own plans if they “make it,” noting they’d support immediate family, but fame doesn't always correlate to wealth.
• Conversation turns real about internet fame, celebrity perception, and the financial inconsistencies of creative careers.
• They offer practical wisdom about not living above one’s means despite what people expect.

Quotes:

“So when I make it...I definitely want my immediate family to feel that.” — Jamila [17:57]
“Sometimes there’s a misconception with fame—that you’re rich. I couldn’t tell you how many times people assume because of my visibility that I am just ballin’.” — Jamila [21:25]

[23:23]

"What kind of money do y’all think I have that I could really retire Darrington?" — Mecca

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6. The Reality of Celebrity Finances & Public Perception

[29:22 - 32:48]

• Many visible personalities are not as rich as the public assumes, and much of celebrity life is based on appearances, free gifts, and event invites.

Quote:

“Your relevancy is your currency.” — Jamila [31:38]

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7. Sibling Drama & PR Lessons from Reality TV

[32:49 - 36:12]

• If Glorilla’s sister wants money or clout, Mecca suggests a Braxton-style family reality show: “At least everyone gets paid for their drama.”
• The hosts agree family conflict is PR landmine; handling it in public requires tact—and sometimes, silence.

Quote:

“If you’re not gonna help [family]...the best thing to do is not speak on it at all.” — Jamila [38:49]

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8. Celebrity Image Management: Zendaya as Modern Blueprint

[39:23 - 45:58]

• The hosts admire Zendaya’s flawless transition from child star to A-list actor—no scandals, tight PR, selective about privacy and relatability.
• Compare Zendaya to stars who overshare, warning about influencer burnout and the consequences of making your whole life public.

Quotes:

“She moves like Beyoncé and the old guard—I make my movies and I go home.” — Mecca [43:21]
“It’s easy to get wrapped up in being vulnerable with your audience...It ain’t gonna last, baby.” — Jamila [45:59]

Memorable Moment:
[41:43] — Mecca pulls out Zendaya’s viral “dance” video as her “most scandalous” act.

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9. The Parasocial Internet: Boundaries & Oversharing

[46:00 - 50:14]

• Jamila and Mecca joke about followers giving them nicknames or calling their children “nephews,” spotlighting the weirdness of parasocial closeness online.

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10. Social Currency, Scandals, and Divas vs. “Meanie Pants”

[50:15 - 59:26]

• They break down why some celebs (DaBaby, LaRussell) suffer lasting consequences from “simple mistakes”: because public perception is everything.
• Jamila describes how being a “meanie pants” only works if you’re strategic—mean to your peers, not your fans (Gabrielle Union’s redemption is cited).
• They reference Gabrielle Union’s 2013 conversation with Oprah as a masterclass in accountability after “mean girl” years.

Quotes:

“If you’re gonna be a meanie pants, be like Gabrielle Union—mean to your industry friends, not your fans. The fans knew no such thing…until she told us.” — Jamila [54:22]
“Your social currency is how people perceive you.” — Jamila [51:24]

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11. MEMES: From Chapel Roan to Internet Lore

[58:38 - 60:05]

• Discuss how meme-ifying drama (Chapel Roan, Chika, Internet royalty like TI’s grandkid) quickly overshadows real-life context—“Now it's just Internet lore.”

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12. SPIN IT: Listener Letter—Ending a Toxic Friendship

[60:46 - 76:15+]
Segment Introduction:
“Spin it”—where the hosts give advice/PR spins to listeners’ messy situations.

The Letter ([61:34])

• Writer (23, Black female) struggles with ending a childhood friendship. Her friend "Jay" is draining, male-centered, and once went as far as having her baby daddy threaten the writer after a previous falling out.

Advice Highlights:

• Both hosts agree: this “friend” is toxic and even potentially dangerous.
• Jamila: Sometimes you have to end a friendship the same way as a relationship—“putting you first, Lucious.”
• Mecca: Given the history of threats, recommends a “soft ghost” over confrontation and, half-jokingly but honestly, suggests “call the police.”

Quote:

“Don’t have the only reliable friend be the b*tch trying to kill you.” — Jamila [71:32]

Notable Exchange:

• [65:07] Mecca: “Get a gun. Do you have a gun?”
• [69:44] Mecca: “I would soft ghost. A conversation might cause her to get active.”

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13. Culture, Violence, and City Energy

[72:54 - 76:35]

• The hosts speculate on what city the writer lives in, joking about Gary, IN or Chicago—tying back to how “threats” are sometimes talk, sometimes to be taken seriously.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When you only hear a voice and then you see a nigga, it’s always going to be jarring, no matter what.” — Jamila [06:27]
• “Your relevancy is your currency.” — Jamila [31:38]
• “Anytime I ask if there’s blacks, I’m asking if there’s a black side of town.” — Jamila [10:26]
• “Sometimes we go to these events…really the ulterior motive is I was seen, I was out, I was present. That presence builds and maintains my brand.” — Jamila [31:38]
• “She moves like Beyoncé and the old guard—in terms of: I make my movies and I go home.” — Mecca [43:21]
• “If you’re gonna be a meanie pants, be like Gabrielle Union—mean to your industry friends, but not your fans.” — Jamila [54:22]
• “Don’t have the only reliable friend be the b*tch trying to kill you.” — Jamila [71:32]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------------------|-----------| | Southern Beauty Supply Stores/Banter | 00:00–03:45 | | Sultry Radio Voices / Love Is Blind Parallels | 03:46–07:56 | | Reality TV / Rhode Island Talk | 08:00–12:43 | | Hot Weather, Girl Trips, Arizona | 13:00–16:48 | | On Fame, Family Support & Financial Misconceptions | 16:49–29:20 | | The Reality of Celebrity Income | 29:22–32:48 | | Family Reality TV as PR Move | 32:49–36:12 | | Zendaya & The New Rules of Celebrity Privacy | 39:23–45:58 | | Parasocial Boundaries & Oversharing | 46:00–50:14 | | Social Currency, Scandal, The Divas and Mean Girls | 50:15–59:26 | | SPIN IT: Listener Letter—Toxic Friendship | 60:46–76:15+ |

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Episode Mood & Tone

• Candid, irreverent, humorous, and real—plenty of Southern flavor and vulnerability.
• Flows just like a phone call between friends (with plenty of “child,” “period,” and “I’m crying”).
• They balance pop culture dissection with personal anecdotes and transparent, sometimes tough-love advice.

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Summary Takeaways

• Fame isn’t the same as financial freedom—the internet and reality TV distort perceptions.
• On boundaries: Not everyone in your family (or circle) deserves your resources, and ending a friendship—especially a toxic one—is sometimes necessary.
• Celebrities don’t owe us (or their families) full access to their private lives; oversharing is a trap.
• If you’re in a situation that feels unsafe or draining, it’s okay to “soft ghost,” prioritize your peace, and seek community elsewhere.

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Have a messy situation? Send it in for the next Spin It!
Next episode: More in-person content, special guests, and PR spins.

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Transcript

[Jamila]

What's up, y'? All? Welcome back to another Thursday, another new episode of Unhinged, Immoral. I'm Jamie.

[Mecca]

And I'm Mecca. And we're back with all the things, ready to do our thing and talk shit per us

[Jamila]

per usual. Another Unhinged Thursday. I'm not gonna lie. I am so incredibly drained and like exhausted today. Drained me. We were having a double recording day. Plus I was out all weekend. Plus I leave tomorrow and I'm kind of behind on some stuff just all over the place.

[Mecca]

Yeah, we both leave tomorrow. I will say the break that we took in between recordings. I was just telling Jamila I was so productive. Like I was packaging weight loss kit orders and I finished packing and I even made a snack.

[Jamila]

So I laid on the couch.

[Mecca]

You know what, in, in your defense, you're not going nowhere for the rest of the night though. I have to go to Shantae's because I'm leaving from her house to go to the airport. So I'm. I'm on a time, I'm on a time crunch. I had to get that shit done.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I am so glad I have nothing to do. Actually. Jazz is still in town and she, my parents, my cousins are coming over.

[Mecca]

Bless you.

[Jamila]

Bless me. Thank you. So she went to my parents house. I was like, yeah, I'm not going but you can take my car because I'm not going anywhere. But now I lowkey regret my. Yeah, Noah's with my parents this weekend. I'm kind of regretting letting her use my car because I actually did want to take a stop at the beauty supply store to get me some more press ons because I'm about to take these off. But I mean, I can get a press on in LA too. But at the same time, I know LA don't have beauty supply stores like they do in Atlanta, I hear.

[Mecca]

I don't know enough about LA to know what their beauty supply situation's looking like. But I do have to say Atlanta has some of the best beauty supplies I've ever seen. Especially the one over by you. That is. That's a prime time beauty supply. Houston is a hard second. We've got some good beauty supplies out here. And the thing about our beauty supplies, it will be like three beauty supplies on the same street and they all have good. And they're all thriving. I'm like, I love, I love man. Yep, I love the beauty supply.

[Jamila]

I need the supermarket.

[Mecca]

So yeah, like that is. I love the mini mob supplies. Like all the things I can come Here and get an outfit. I can get a purse. I can get some shoes. I get some hair shot. I get some weave, I get a hat. I can get glasses. I can get anything. Makeup, Anything your heart desires.

[Jamila]

Literally anything.

[Mecca]

So I understand. Yep, yep, yep.

[Jamila]

But, yeah, that's where we're at right now. We're trying to, you know, make sure we can maintain our consistency. So even through the tiredness, we are coming to work. We're clocking in. Do you guys hear my voice?

[Mecca]

It's.

[Jamila]

It's on its way. This is our job, you know, now I can be a little bit more sultry. Maybe I can, like, talk to you guys like Joe Scott and just kind of sound squeeze my needs. Maybe you guys can listen right now and be like, wow, Jamila sounds really sexy. You're welcome. So you're tuned in to 97.5 sounds of soul, Soft and warm, the quiet storm on V103. That's what I feel like right now. That's literally my voice.

[Mecca]

That's so funny. One of my mutuals. And like, someone I get up with out here, someone I get up with out here in Houston. KG Smooth. He is like, what you're talking about this quiet, smooth R B dj and that really talks like that. I honestly thought it was like, I.

[Jamila]

Yeah, it's like, you have to. I don't want no annoying voice ass to meet me.

[Mecca]

I thought it was a code switch. I thought, like, in casual conversation he would turn the sexy off. But no, he really talks to you like this.

[Jamila]

You know what's crazy? Like radio. This isn't even part of the topics. But I just, you know, radio is so interesting because back in the day when radio was at its peak, when it was really in its prime, like, those people who had those voices were literally, like sought after. And like, literally people was begging for them to be on the radio. Because with radio, it's voices only, it's audio only. And so I think it's funny that, you know, as years passed and we started introducing video components to radio and switching radio to kind of podcast, which is still under the umbrella of radio. And yeah, it's just. It's just really funny because we grew up, I didn't know what Tom Joyner looked like until I was an adult.

[Mecca]

Are you serious?

[Jamila]

Swear to God, I didn't know what that looked like until I was.

[Mecca]

Remember Tom Joyner cruises in high school? That's the one thing I. I regret. I wanted to go on a Tom Joyner cruise so bad. He had the HBCU I feel like your people either listen to Tom Jr or Steve Harvey in the morning, child.

[Jamila]

But see, Tom Joyner was before Steve Harvey. So it's like we listened to Tom Joyner first, and then when we moved out here, we kind of switched over a little back and forth. But then we kind of was on Steve and. And them. But of course, with Steve, like, you know, he started out as a comedian, and so of course we were familiar with him. But I kid you not, the majority of my radio person. What about Ricky Smiley listening to. Yeah, like, I didn't know what that looked like for. But it was Ricky Smiley, you know, as well I knew what that looked like because of Friday and like that. But nephew Tommy, I didn't know. I'm like, that voice sounds familiar. And I know he's done a little bit of acting here and there, but I'm like, bruh, when you see them in real life, you'd be like, what? And it's such a mind because, like, I don't know Tom Joyner, when I first laid eyes on this, I said, what the. Like, it really. When you only hear a voice.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And then you see a nigga, it's always going to be jarring, no matter what. And so now this takes me back to Love is Blind. Everything comes Back Again, I say. Everything comes back to Love is Blind again, I say, for those of you who keep suggesting y' all want to see my black ass on there, y' all know several reasons I would never go on Love is Blind. But the. The sheer. What the ism about figuring out or hearing somebody's voice for so long and creating a character, and that's just a natural thing. Like, you just create what someone looks like, their voice, and for them things to open and they just not look like that either way is like a mind. And I think I would go through psychosis. Like, don't do that.

[Mecca]

Psychosis is a lot, though. I think psychosis is a lot.

[Jamila]

I know. Yeah.

[Mecca]

I don't think I could fall in love with someone off of voice alone. Because if you're ugly, I would also be like. Or maybe not ugly, because the thing is, we're all ugly to someone. But if I'm not attracted to you, I don't give a about your voice.

[Jamila]

And the unfortunate part is I think I could fall in love with somebody behind those doors.

[Mecca]

But. But I feel like the moment they come out, you will fall out of love.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And you're not. I'll be like, I don't like you no more. So here's the thing.

[Mecca]

And you're gonna look like a.

[Jamila]

Not actually.

[Mecca]

You would be. You'll be crying for Love is blind. Because you would make good tv. Because you would be so like, j.

[Jamila]

Like, oh, I would be. I would be the biggest.

[Mecca]

That. Yeah, I think you. What was that little man's name? Tyler. No, Tyler is our mutual. What was the little man's name? I'm sorry, from the season. I'm tripping, Mike. Who said the most recent. Who said she was ugly? Not ugly, but she wasn't fit enough. The Doctors girl. And that's how. That's how you know these. And that's how you should really treat these reality shows. The moment the season is over, you should forget these people's names instead of stalking them on the Internet for years and years and years. You know what I'm saying?

[Jamila]

Yeah. I be. I be. I think his name, it was something like that.

[Mecca]

Nick.

[Jamila]

Alex.

[Mecca]

Something white.

[Jamila]

Andrew.

[Mecca]

Al. Alex. Alex was the one who wanted the Latina. He's the one who didn't like the Maga. Barbie.

[Jamila]

I don't know, girl.

[Mecca]

I don't know. I'm off that. I've been watching the Valley. Oh, and I watched the new Real Housewives of Rhode Island. So by the time this drops, we will have gotten, I believe, two more episodes. I like it so far.

[Jamila]

I didn't even know they were doing Rhod.

[Mecca]

It just started.

[Jamila]

What are the.

[Mecca]

Like there? It's not Lowest. It's not Lois Gearfin. It's like Rhode island is, like east coast, but it's not New York quite. They have a different vibe.

[Jamila]

Is it more Bostony?

[Mecca]

Yeah. I didn't realize how good of a job Family Guy did of, like, spoofing Rhode island until I watched this. I said, oh, they really captured it. Like Lois Pewter Schmidt, how her mom is just kind of rich and, like, stuck up. Like, almost think and like, for no reason. They're Italian. A lot of them are Italian. That orangish tan. Everyone has dark hair. There's no blondes, which I really like because I feel like, you know, I feel like it's a good representation of the area. Probably, like, everyone's brunette and black hair. Also, they're loud, but their accent is so different from New York or Jersey. It's like Rhode island, but it's. I've never. I've never heard of. To say haven't heard of Rhode Island. I just never been. And I've never thought to go.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I was going to say there's no reason that I've ever concocted to go to.

[Mecca]

So hearing the accent was jarring.

[Jamila]

Are there blacks there?

[Mecca]

I mean, I would assume so.

[Jamila]

And you know, I was gonna say, and anytime I ask if there's blacks, there's black people everywhere. I mean, I get that. But you know what the.

[Mecca]

I do think there has to be black people in Rhode Island. It's like one of the first places. Places in America.

[Jamila]

When I say, when I ask if I'm asking if there's blacks, I mean, is there a black side of town? I don't mean if there's black streets. I knew, I mean, like, Like I just found out recently that Nebraska has a specific black ass area. I said, God, it didn't know that. Would have never known. I. I found out that quickly that Omar.

[Mecca]

I was going to say Malcolm X area. Dominique told me that, though, because Malcolm X is from Nebraska and she is too.

[Jamila]

I wouldn't have known that if it wasn't for Dominique. She. She put me on game with that. So, yeah, I want to know what. What a. The black congress.

[Mecca]

What about Idaho?

[Jamila]

Like, if I'm the one, Idaho, like Idaho potatoes. They don't give.

[Mecca]

The one I met from Idaho was. He was not. He was not like us. Well, so if there are any black Idahoans.

[Jamila]

When I was in.

[Mecca]

Let us know some.

[Jamila]

When I was in Arizona for my homegirls bachelorette, we learned quickly that Arizona is not where the blacks. Blacks are there. But it's.

[Mecca]

No, not at all.

[Jamila]

Specifically. We had went out and it was a couple of. Like, you could tell that they. You could tell that they could tell we wasn't from there because, you know, all of us is coming from Atlanta, baby. We from around the way. You know what I'm saying? We. We. It's a. It's just a different vibe. Like, from the way we was dressed, from the way we was walking and talking, I think you could tell we wasn't from there. And so the couple of sprinkling, they was almost looking at us like, oh, my God, yo. Black women is here. Like, it was like they were so shocked. And they were like. And so they was, you know, coming up to talking to us. And their vibe was so interesting. Like, that's the only word that I can say.

[Mecca]

I'm crying.

[Jamila]

It was so interesting. I was like, you don't be around niggas, do you? Like you don't. This your first nigga encounter? Oh, okay. The club was playing hip hop music, but it was mostly native American, white and Mexican.

[Mecca]

Native American. Interesting.

[Jamila]

They have a huge Native American population. One of them was trying to holler at me baby. But that.

[Mecca]

Oh, they was trying to take you back to the reservation. All right. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Jamila]

Indigenous king. Interesting. It was. I said, wow. It was. Was a lot of just, you know, it was. It was very ass.

[Mecca]

I know that's right.

[Jamila]

You know, period. I said interesting. It was hot than a. And it was a different type of. It was a type of hot where you can't even. Why did.

[Mecca]

Why did the home girl from Arizona. Why was the wedding out there or what inspired that?

[Jamila]

The wedding wasn't out there. It was just the. It's just where they wanted to go for the bachelorette trip.

[Mecca]

I don't know. That's interesting. I know he's also done a girls trip to Arizona, but I think it's cuz one of her home girls family has a house or something out there. But I know Arizona is like a big girls trip bachelorette destination. I just want to know why.

[Jamila]

I think because of the. If I'm guessing the. I know they have the hot air balloons, you know, they have really beautiful skies because it's a desert, so you kind of get that LA sky. But it's od quiet. It's nothing going on out there. And I think for people who like a relaxing vacation, honestly, that would be a really good relaxing vacation because it's very pretty out there. Like I thought Arizona was beautiful. It's just boring. But boring can be good when you're looking for a chill ass thing. And we had a pool in our Airbnb and because it's so hot, but it's not humid. That pool was. Oh my. It was a different experience being in a pool in an area that's not humid. And that was the first time I really, really experienced dry heat. Because people say LA is dry, but LA is not dry. Like Arizona. LA almost feels like neutral. Okay, Arizona, that was dry. I kid you not. We stepped off the plane at night. Oh, at night it was like 9pm I had got off the plane around 9pm so it's dark outside. The sun is not out. It's. It was hot, like to the point where I'm like, I feel like the sun is on me. Where the is this coming from? And it was no wind and it smelled hot outside. It smelled like a heater was on outside. I kid you not. It literally felt like.

[Mecca]

I don't like that I said I don't like what you're describing to me.

[Jamila]

Y' all did not like, you're not

[Mecca]

selling Arizona, but at the same time,

[Jamila]

because it's not healing. Humid. Because it wasn't humid, you're able to tolerate higher temperatures. It felt like it was so strange. It was a very strange experience. But it wasn't like. I don't know, it was just. It was interesting, though. But I had a good time. I would definitely go back. I don't know if I would go again in July. I would probably go closer to, like, the fall. So it's not as strikingly hot, but.

[Mecca]

Yeah. All right now.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Well, I don't think I've ever been somewhere so hot outside of Sacramento and Houston. These are, like I said, California to dry heat. This is a wet heat. I don't like any heat, so it really doesn't. You know, I do prefer the summer to the winter, though. Yeah. If we're being honest, I hate the snow.

[Jamila]

Oh, absolutely. I hate winter. I hate cold. I don't like being cold. I don't like having to put on 18 different layers to be warm. No. I don't like that. If I want to run to the store, I can't just throw on some shorts.

[Mecca]

I have to throw like it's a whole thing. Yeah.

[Jamila]

This is too much. And I feel like also the winter time is when things start to kind of go dormant. People be inside. It's boring. It's depressive. It's dark. I hate it. I hate. I'm so glad we're officially in springtime.

[Mecca]

Yeah, we.

[Jamila]

We made it.

[Mecca]

We're going to have fun. Well, what we're talking about today. People, people, people of the night. I saw that Glorilla took one of her parents, it looked like her dad to a basketball game. And her sister, the menace that she is, Bro Rilla commented under. But the lights were turned off this week. And if you know anything about what's been going on with Glorilla and her sister, Bro Rilla. I don't even know her sister's name. I'll be honest. I'm so calling it bro Rilla. I don't know her sister's name. For real. Rorilla was mad at Glorilla a couple months ago because Global ain't give her no money. She said she ain't giving a family no money. This, that, and the third. And so what we wanted to talk about was what happens when you make it? What happens when you're doing well? What happens when you're up? Do you owe your family something? Should you give them anything? Should you help should you not help? What are your thoughts, Jamila?

[Jamila]

And sidebar. Sidebar. I'm. I'm fumbling through Noah's Easter basket from for candy and getting me some.

[Mecca]

Okay.

[Jamila]

Yes. Noah actually really doesn't like sweets like that. Too bad. So this is actually for me. Thank you. Thank you to his teachers for an amazing Easter egg hut. I will enjoy all of this. You, these candies and treats. Thank you. Now, what do I think about the bro rillas of it all? Now, I've said this before on a video or two when I make it, and, and I can confidently say now when. I've always said when as like a more manifesto, delusional aspiration. You know, I'm saying when now, as a matter of fact. Yeah, yeah. Because it's getting like that. But yeah, when I make it. Ultimately, I definitely want my immediate family to feel that. I want them to feel a sense of security without having to like, I would love for my family not have to work, my immediate family not to have to work. And if you do have to work, work for me. Well, I don't know, I need a nanny, somebody watch Noah. You know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. But I also understand that with family it gets tricky because these are people that are not chosen to be in your life. And so because they're not chosen to be in your life and you kind of are just born into them, they could be any kind of people. You know what I'm saying? And so I'm speaking from the behalf of having a pretty decent stand up family where we do communicate often.

[Mecca]

But.

[Jamila]

But I know there are people out there who do not have the same family situation set up. And there are, there's also family members out there that I don't fool with. You won't be seeing from me. So I get it.

[Mecca]

Ew.

[Jamila]

Who's peanut butter?

[Mecca]

You don't like peanut butter?

[Jamila]

You know, sometimes I fake. Sometimes I fake hate.

[Mecca]

That's crazy. I love Reese's. That's insane.

[Jamila]

I think I like it today. I just wasn't prepared for it to be peanut butter.

[Mecca]

What'd you think? What are you biting? It's not a Reese's cup. Oh, it's an A. I thought it was a chocolate. Oh, so it was a jarring experience. Yeah, I mean, I pretty much agree. I think that it definitely is one of those things that depends on the type of family that you have, the type of family you were born into. Do you like your family? Does your family with you? I also definitely think it Kind of has to do with the way that you were raised. Like, do you come from, like a communal family where everyone helps out each other and everyone. Like, if you were not this person, y' all would still be a collective putting into the pot. You see what I'm saying? I. I also think that's something that matters. I just know myself coming from that type of situation where my family has never been, like, super duper rich, but has always been, like, very helpful to me and my brother and kind of showed up when they could, and my parents aren't rich, so it's like, I mean, if I am rich, obviously they would feel the repercussions of that. But then similar to you, like, I have. I have family members I don't fuck with, who I wouldn't spit on a bitch if she was on fire. So, you know, burn, baby, burn. Disco fire. Like dead ass.

[Jamila]

Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, it's. It's an experience, you know, Also, I think that there's also sometimes a misconception with fame for that you're rich. I couldn't tell you how many times. Yeah, I couldn't tell you how many times people have assumed because of my increased visibility that I am just balling and I am rich. And, you know, it's. I. I think, of course it comes from a place of good intent. And I know people mean well because it's like, that's what we've always known, right? We've always associated celebrity with money. Right. And it's so. Oh, my gosh. I was just having this conversation with Audi the other day. I was like, yo, being doing in this shit real time ironically makes me look at celebrities so differently. Yeah. Because I'm like, wow, yes, celebrity. And nobody wants to hear your celebrity cries. Nobody wants to hear your rich people problems. I definitely understand just the mind of it all because while I'm so visible and. And I want to be clear, I am making more money for sure than I've ever made in my entire life. And I don't want to front and try to make it seem like I'm not making no money. Right. Like you. Yes. I'm able to live and, you know, do do this full time. I get, like, all the things. Yes, that is true, but transparently, it could be doubled and tripled. You know what I'm saying? I'm not. I am. I am not rich, like, at all. And I. And it's like, people sometimes expect certain things from you. They comment on certain things. It's like, well, what the did, bitch, what kind of bank account do you think I have for you to expect to see me in? Dripped in designer from head to toe. Every single time I step outside, I remember when.

[Mecca]

So someone made a comment. Two things. I remember Darrington, when he was working for Amazon, made a video in the truck and someone commented, your sister's TikTok famous. Why are you working at Amazon? And I said, what? This nigga don't have a job? Regardless. Why would I take care of a grown ass man? Secondly, what the fuck kind of money do y' all think I have that I could really retire? Darrington?

[Jamila]

No, literally, I'm like, yo, what? I was literally on live one day and it was some gunshots happening outside. And I guess, like, my reaction being so like, like, of course I. I acknowledged it. Like, and somebody was in the comments, like, oh, my gosh. Like Jamila. Like, I thought, like, I thought she would have been.

[Mecca]

You thought been out the hood.

[Jamila]

Oh, oh, baby. I'm still in the room. What are you talking about? I still. I. I have a one bedroom. I have multiple rooms, but it's one bedroom. Let me tell you something. There will be signs, as we've always said. The first, first signs already dropped them titties. But guys, like, what are you talking about?

[Mecca]

You know the other crazy thing that happened. And when me and Sabrina bought our cars, our new cars, and we got regular girl cars, we didn't get like luxury vehicles. I remember that was like a whole thing like, oh, my God, you supposed to be making all this money. I' ma buy the bet. The first of all, I'm about a car that's best on gas because I gotta drive because everything is 20 minutes out in Houston. That's number one. Number two, no, I don't want no luxury car because luxury cars cost more money to maintain. If this breaks down, I got to get my oil change. I don't want to pay $300 get my oil change, simp. And honestly, simply put, I was just talking to my mom about this. I would have to be doing really, really good for me to get a luxury car. I'm not even a car person to begin with. I actually don't give a about cars. I don't give a fuck. I plan on my shit to 20, 24. The thing is, I'm gonna drive it to the wheels roll off, baby.

[Jamila]

I truly know what it's like to be broke, okay? I have been broke many a times, many years. I'm not going backwards. And I say that because also Another part about this industry is we are not paid consistently, right? So we might get a lot of money right now. And this little bulk is. It's a hot season or it's a hot moment. It doesn't mean we're gonna get that same chunk next month. So we have to be very, very strategic. And so, yeah, I might get a cute little check and I'll be like, that was cool. That don't mean I'm gonna blow it because I don't know if I'm gonna get that check right next month. So I have to be very strategic and just very like, smart. And so it doesn't make sense to now start trying to live to match the means of one check as it like, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, like, I want to be very smart and very careful. Like, bro, I have a whole kid. I'm not gonna be trying to flex for what?

[Mecca]

For the flexes that you pay for daycare. The flex is that, that he goes for that. He goes to daycare. That's the flex. Do you know how much childcare costs?

[Jamila]

And the thing is, I don't even want to pretend like I'm some. I'm. I'm that type of where I don't care. I will flex when it's time though. Like, just let me cook. Y', all, I'm not there yet. Y' all trying to like, Imma get the chance. I'm still a. From around the way.

[Mecca]

I'm giving me a good girl.

[Jamila]

Y' all will know. Y' all will know when I'm there. I'm not just withholding secrets, trying to keep it cute. I'm broke. What that say on top on lottery ticket? I'm broke. I can't eat.

[Mecca]

You know who's, who's who I look up to. Like on a financial standpoint, I think Candy Burris is someone who's very financially smart. And I was just watching an interview with her where she. Her first house. She said she had a first house for a really long time and she went and bought a nice house. You said what?

[Jamila]

She had that forever. Yeah. Talking about it on when she first got it.

[Mecca]

Yeah. And she, she, she didn't buy like a big ass man. She bought a nice house, but just not like no big ass mansion type. And like that's the type of shit that makes sense. Like living below your means is going to keep you with money always in the long run. So if you can afford. So the point where you see me with luxury shit, just know at that point, it's below my means. Like, I can afford on a month to month basis to keep it up because I'm not getting nothing that I. That I don't want to be. My mama calls it house poor, where it's like, yeah, you got the luxury car, the luxury apartment. You got all the things, but. But you only have enough to pay your bills. You don't never have no extra spending money. Ain't you see what I'm saying? If go left, you don't got a rainy day fund. Like. Yeah, no, I don't. I don't even play like that. Child,

[Jamila]

by the time y' all see me with the chain, just know I could have had you.

[Mecca]

See what I'm saying? Everything you buy, you should be able to buy it twice. That's such a good rule of thumb. Seriously. It really is.

[Jamila]

All right, come on now. Y' all got to know that this is not what it seemed like. So I say all that to say back to.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say we got so off topic.

[Jamila]

I just want to give y' all a little perspective. I do feel like, you know, when you're watching your close family member, because that's. Yeah, that's a very close family. It's not like a cousin, you know, a auntie from around where that's a sister. Right. And they look just. Man, I think it can be. I think it could be definitely frustrating when you are struggling and you see your sibling doing better, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're doing as. As well as you think they are.

[Mecca]

And I'm not.

[Jamila]

And I'm. This is not me counting glows pockets. I'm not saying she don't got it or she do. I'm just off in a little bit of perspective. You know, being a celebrity also comes with a lot of free.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And I got, kid you, the not. That's really the way a lot of us get by and can finesse our way into things. Like last, when the first year they had invited us to one music fest. I wouldn't have been there if they didn't invite us because I wasn't paying for them.

[Mecca]

Yeah, you know what? Like you said, much perspective. The. The quote. The more we get into the industry realizing that these celebrities don't be having as much, they don't be rich, they be making about as much as someone who works probably a six figure job going to work every day. Like, simply put, a lot of. Like, when you. When we're talking like reality show stars, I'm not talking Like Beyonce. I'm just talking about people like, you know, who were not rich before they got on tv. Like, not necessarily like a housewife situation where they're already rich. They're doing this for fun. I'm talking about the people who, like, Bitch Vanderpump Rules was such a cultural like phenomenon because the niggas was actually working at sir like they were clocking in every day. And even then you peep. They didn't stop working because they get paid one chunk of a check and then, you know, they'll make money off of their appearances. And then now you see them now. Now they're able to live because they have, like, some level of celebrity. But that's a decade of, you know, work, and none of them stopped working right away. So think, like, just more perspective on how shit works.

[Jamila]

And another thing, another piece of perspective. When you see a celebrity that is, I would say, like up and coming, newer facing, that hasn't been around for a long, long time. And you see them all the time, baby. They. They're working. You see them all the time because you have to. The reason that you don't see Beyonce all the time is because you don't have to for her to make her money. She's already done the. The legwork, done the pr, the press run.

[Mecca]

Cuz I promise you, when Matthew was managing, they were performing in that fiesta parking lot. You saw them every day of the week.

[Jamila]

They were everywhere. They had press runs and press junkets out that ass. Because in this game, your relevancy is your currency. So it's like we have to be everywhere, even some. And it's. It's such a weird thing to. To explain because it kind of. It kind of sounds like complaining, but I'm not complaining. I'm just explaining. Sometimes we go to these events, right, that are fun, granted, you know, but really, like, the ulterior motive is I was seen, I was out, I was present. That presence builds and maintains my brand so that later on I can do all the things that I want to do. Like Glorilla going to courtside is two things for her. Number one, of course, entertainment, right? Of course she can go and watch a game and, you know, her nigga plays for the teams or whatever. So cool, right? Just basic shit. But the other side of that is publicity. Glorilla was at the game. Let's see what she's wearing. So that gives her an opportunity to get a brand deal from somebody wearing their clothes. Let's see who did her makeup that all of These things work into play. So I think, like, yeah, like, not

[Mecca]

to sound like this, but I do

[Jamila]

think that go really gonna have to give her some money or something.

[Mecca]

I don't think she would at this point. God, despite. Because if, you know, I mean, you have a sister now. I feel like they're at, they're at sister war. They're doing that sister thing there. I think that in the what?

[Jamila]

And you know my suggestion.

[Mecca]

What?

[Jamila]

Reality. Listen, listen.

[Mecca]

But you know, that would really. Everybody gets paid. But that would. I think that when you have. The bigger the family, the more unpredictable and I feel the less control you have. And I say that as someone who, like I have two siblings, but then my dad has a bunch of siblings and kind of watching. I, I, it's something that I noticed. Not just like with. Can you hear my. Can you hear. Hold on. I'm gonna mute it. Hold on. Okay, I'm back. Can you hear me? What was I saying? Oh, their sister war. Like when people, when you have so many personalities, it's just like anything else. When you have like a lot of people, you can't predict and control everything. Like, so it'll make for good tv. But I always feel like families that have a lot of people, when they put their out, like, it's just going to create more drama for the family in the long run. Like, you could actually break your family.

[Jamila]

It definitely would. You know, you definitely could. I think that like, for them. Because I'm trying to think of a way I'm. And I'm gonna. This is like my, my little spin it for if, if I'm assuming. Because again, I don't know. Glows pockets. But I'm just gonna assume that glow is still. Because she is still kind of on the come up. I'm gonna assume she definitely has money. Right. She's able to do essentially what she wants to do, but she doesn't have enough to buy. Like, just retired the whole family.

[Mecca]

Don't. She got 27 siblings. She can't retire. 27. She has. It's not even like one or two people. It's a lot of people. Yeah.

[Jamila]

That's why I think, I think it

[Mecca]

was like, plus her two parents.

[Jamila]

We're gonna, I'm gonna go with that assumption. Right. So let's assume that. Right. But of course, there's lots of cool deals on the table there. You know, there's, there's some places I think similar to like the Braxton family values if you, if you do. But instead of doing it like a long Running show, maybe like a spec. You're able to be paid, right. You're able to get your money from the actual production or network. Right. But then you also create a platform for your family to get paid for their shenanigans. And you can also be forward facing or you don't have to be on it at all. You can just be an executive producer if you don't want to actually get involved in the on camera shenanigans. But if you want an easy way out to where it's like you're setting your. Your people up to where y' all can get money through this, but then also like you a brand through this visibility of a reality show, and then they're able to kind of market and capitalize off of that. And then you can kind of get money on the back end because being into it with your family is labor. You should get paid off of that too.

[Mecca]

I know you seem to.

[Jamila]

Wanda, if you care, Wanda, on stage

[Mecca]

with Tony this past weekend.

[Jamila]

I sure did. I sure did.

[Mecca]

Just offbeat.

[Jamila]

Because at the end, that's the.

[Mecca]

Her sister. That's still her sister. That's still her sister. And that's the one thing.

[Jamila]

But that's the thing, like, I be trying to. It's so hard for me to. It's so hard for me to relate to people who like, hate.

[Mecca]

I was just about to say, like, I mean, I argue with Darrington, like,

[Jamila]

yeah, but like, hate be so like, oh, I don't know. They like, I've heard some people talk about their siblings and I'll be like, what?

[Mecca]

Like, yeah.

[Jamila]

Oh my God. Like, I wouldn't even get like, if, like, I don't, like, I don't know. Yeah.

[Mecca]

I don't know nobody who like, y'

[Jamila]

all are sisters, though. That's your.

[Mecca]

Even when like with my dad and his siblings listen to them cussing fuss, I still don't think they hate each other. I don't think they ever. Like, no one has ever. Because you what you're saying some people really hate their siblings. Like, some people are like, that could die. Whoa. And it's not even like they abused. Like, y' all just really don't with you. I'm not talking about like, when abuse or different stuff.

[Jamila]

Like, yeah, yeah, compatibility wise.

[Mecca]

Y' all just don't. Yeah, y' all just don't vibe. Like. And also on the. On another strange tip in my head, I'll be like, dang, y' all mom allowed that. So sometimes I wonder like, what the growing up situation was. Cuz like me and Darrington when we was growing up at least wasn't even allowed to be for too long. Like, okay, y' all need to go figure, you know, like, that type of. Like, my mom was definitely one of them. I know. Like, even with my. When my dad's siblings, when my grandmother and even when both my grandmothers were living, I've seen my mom beefed out with her sister. I've seen my dad beefed out and my grandmothers were always quick. Oh, I don't give a about that. Like, like I saw. I'm just sick thinking, like, damn, if you beefed out with your sibling. No one stepped in and said, this is not allowed.

[Jamila]

Actually, we are family.

[Mecca]

Like a giant tree.

[Jamila]

If they was like, real into it, I could. I could see it also going like, child, everybody try to stop that. We just let it happen at this point, like, everybody just being so. Yeah, I don't know. But I think PR wise also, if you're not gonna help or do it whatever, I do think the best thing to do is kind of not speak on it at all.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I mean, I like that Glow. Glow responded at the top. But, you know, someone in her, similar in her camp, probably told her, hey, girl, maybe let's not go back and forth with your sister. Let her scream into the abyss and look crazy.

[Jamila]

Yep. Now, speaking of pr. Oh, you know who is chewing, no pun because I'm chewing this candy? Who is chewing their PR?

[Mecca]

Ms. Z from around the way, way Oakland. What's up,

[Jamila]

Zendaya? If you would have told me way back couple years ago, that little Zendaya from Disney Channel would be the woman she is today. It's not that I wouldn't believe you. I would just be so gagged. Like, of course she was talented. That's. When you manage procurement for multiple facilities, every order matters.

[Mecca]

But when it's for a hospital system, they matter.

[Jamila]

Even Grainger gets it and knows there's

[Mecca]

no time for managing multiple suppliers and

[Jamila]

no room for shipping delays. That's why Grainger offers millions of products

[Mecca]

in fast, dependable delivery. So you can keep your facility stocked, safe, and running smoothly. Call 1-800-granger.

[Jamila]

Click granger.com or just stop by Granger

[Mecca]

for the ones who get it done.

[Jamila]

It's not even the question, right? But sometimes for the kid actors transitioning, it could be a hard transition.

[Mecca]

You can count, you know, they go through on one hand. Yeah, you can count on one hand the. The child stars who seamlessly have transitioned from child star to teen star. To young adult, to actual movie star. I mean, literally one hand and. And not even that she hasn't had no scandals on the way, because that some of them can still do it, but they're gonna do like a Lindsay Lohan and like crash out somewhere in between there. They might fall off a little bit, kind of like Helen Hillary Duff. We won't see him for a second. Then they come back. She has been consistent and haven't had no issues since we were fucking 13 years old.

[Jamila]

The most scandalous thing. The most scandalous things in Daya then ever did was went on a date with Odell Beckham Jr. And if that's the.

[Mecca]

The hey, I would have been okay with it. That's.

[Jamila]

You know what I'm saying? That's my kind of.

[Mecca]

I thought the most scandalous.

[Jamila]

And that's not scandalous at all. It was just so jarring.

[Mecca]

The most scandalous things to me that she did was when she did that little. You know what I'm talking about, that video, the dance, when she did that. Whenever I see that video, I laugh. She said,

[Jamila]

every time. I said, what is my good sister child?

[Mecca]

Yes.

[Jamila]

But, yeah, she's been. Of course, you know, she was dating Tom Holland. Was it Tom Holland?

[Mecca]

Spider Man? Spider Pig.

[Jamila]

And then they were engaged. And they seemingly have gotten gone ahead and type them now. They have not really confirmed Law kind of confirmed, but then kind of was just like being sneaky. Sneaky.

[Mecca]

They come to my house for dinner. For dinner.

[Jamila]

It was probably playing into the. The PR of the movie because the movie that they're in is about some type of wedding. So it's like, oh, my gosh, did y' all get married or not? And she's just so. Even so much that she was on the red carpet and some interviewer asked her something along the lines of, you know, like, how should you be in a. A marriage? Or something like that. And she answered as her character. I said, oh, the is good. The is good. She said, oh, baby, I'm here with it. And she's such a professional. Like, I can tell she thinks about everything that she says. And not in like an annoying, like, okay, you lame ass. It's not even in that way. It's just very much like, what you're getting from me right now is Zendaya the actor. And I'm at work on this red carpet promoting this movie. And when I get off this carpet and Law unzips my dress, I'm Z, the cool ass from Oakland. If you don't know her oh, the way.

[Mecca]

And you know what else I think is, like, her specific allure? She's. Even though she's a celebrity of our time, she's from a different time. She's from this. Like, she moves like Beyonce and the old guard in terms of. I'm not here to discuss my private life. No. I don't post my feelings on the Internet. I don't talk about to y' all on Instagram and Twitter and Tick Tock. I don't do all that. I. I make my movies and I go home. Yep. And that's what I do. And I just feel like, especially this day and age, like, with people, our peers and younger, you don't see that.

[Jamila]

Like, you. You don't.

[Mecca]

You just don't see that. She doesn't try and be relatable in the way that, like, celebrity now tells us you have to be you. You are required to be relatable. And I think she gets away with it specifically because she's been around for so long and we saw her grow up. So I don't need to feel like I know you, because I already feel like I know you because I've been watching you since I was 13.

[Jamila]

Yeah. She lets her characters kind of do that for her. I think her relatability comes from the range that she honestly has as an actress, and she's really good at acting. So I think that that, that kind of plays with her, and it's. It's easy to get wrapped up in trying to be vulnerable with your audience and trying to be relatable. Especially, you know, for us having this type of job where we are kind of just talking and we're kind of like, we're not portraying a character right now. Right. We're ourselves, but at the same time, we're kind of like giving you a level of entertainment. It's easy to get wrapped up and to start telling on yourself and exposing your own secrets and being way too open, way too honest. Yeah. And I see it all the time with influencers. I see it all the time. I watch them. And it always starts good. Because of course it's going to start good. Because it's entertaining. Right. And then you get so used to. And I've seen influencers have to then make announcements or make. Make it known that, hey, I know I used to tell you guys every detail about this, but I am no longer going to be sharing this part of my life. I am no longer going to be showing this. Like, I see that happen all the time, but I always see it in the beginning, and I always know it's going to kind of turn sour because it's like, not sustainable for most people. Some people it is. For some people, they are able to really.

[Mecca]

And.

[Jamila]

And usually the ones that it's sustainable for are the ones that have curated it so well that you think that this is the reality. But in terms, it is absolutely a curated lifestyle. But the people who are being very raw and authentic and letting you into their life, it ain't gonna last, baby.

[Mecca]

You're.

[Jamila]

It's going to. One day you're going to wake up and be like, why the did I like.

[Mecca]

First of all, I don't know, y'. All. What the fuck? I say this all the time. I'm so glad I learned this early. I'm so glad. And I'm so glad I learned this right around the time I hit 100k followers. So it really feels like, dang when people be in the comments, like, remember when me used to tell us all her business? Y' all remember that? I had to stop that girl. Y' all know what the fuck be going on over here Nowadays especially, I feel like you see it most commonly with, like, dating content. I mean, that's what my thing was. The girls then. Then, you know, they feelings get hurt or they find someone they want to love on for real and they don't really want to share it, which I think is very respectable. Like, you just want to have your relationship and make your content and have the two be separate. I think that people do that a lot with kids.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Who was that lady? Who she. And it was during the pandemic. She had some cute ass twins.

[Jamila]

Girl.

[Mecca]

Them twins was cute. As smart as. She's. She's a throwback. She was a pandemic tick tocker. She had like 3 million. White girl. The twins hit about 2 years old. And she said she wasn't gonna post them no more. They acted a fool in them comments. They acted a. Yeah, I was like.

[Jamila]

The way that y' all are acting alone lets me know that she probably

[Mecca]

should have took them kids a while ago. A while ago.

[Jamila]

Because that was uncomfortable. I was like. Did you just say. Did you just say. What do you mean we can't see my girls anymore? Your.

[Mecca]

Hold on, hold on.

[Jamila]

You know, I'm the type of. I don't even really like that whole. This y' all. Internet nephew.

[Mecca]

Sorry. This is.

[Jamila]

My son is not your nephew. I'm so sorry.

[Mecca]

Much respect.

[Jamila]

And I know. And that's the thing. I know y' all Be meaning. Well, yeah, I know y' all do, but I am. I get uncomfortable when people are too comfortable. Like, when people randomly call me a nickname.

[Mecca]

Who is Mila?

[Jamila]

I. I feel like. Have you been seeing.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Yo, and okay, so look, right before we started, he had posted a new one, like, obviously today. And he got on that. That striped shirt that an old gay man would absolutely have on. I said, jelani, get the. Off my phone.

[Jamila]

But I will be back to watch

[Mecca]

this once we done recording. He has been cut.

[Jamila]

That funny. Like, that went with nicknames, baby. Now, who told you.

[Mecca]

Have you seen that. That video of Maya Angelou when she. The girl and the young lady called her mind you said, it's Ms. Angela. She ate her up. I said, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Jamila]

Her mean ass. That's just someone funny, bro. I don't know if. I don't know if I'm that strict, but, like, I'm definitely like. And I don't. What. I don't even say nothing about it because, again, I know people have, for the most part, genuine intentions. But, like, I just. Why did. Why are you calling me a nickname? Like, my name on social media is Jamila Bell. I never said. Y' all can call me Jamimi, Little Mimi, whatever the hell is crazy. Like, what do you. What? What? Like, it just makes me a little uncomfortable.

[Mecca]

I'm crying just a little.

[Jamila]

But I'm not gonna be mad. I'm not gonna cut y' all out or nothing like that. I'm just gonna be like, back to Jelani.

[Mecca]

JC had quoted his video on Twitter and said the old gays be having a little Maya Angelou in them talking about that video. Y' all don't understand. Jelani is Jamila's little brother. Jelani is actually top five funniest people I've ever met. He's hilarious.

[Jamila]

Somebody said, this is how I imagine James. And I said, absolutely. They said, this is how. Imagine James Balden was at them French bars. I said, oh, my God.

[Mecca]

Like, this is this part of the Internet that I love. Like, people are so funny. Like, seriously, that's amazing.

[Jamila]

Yeah, man. But, you know, with the. With the. With the celebrities, man, I tell you what. Because we was. We just talked about the baby in the last episode. I do want y' all to understand and quickly the power that y' all have when y' all speak, because y' all make really simple, stupid mistakes all the time. We saw it with LaRussell. Even you. We. We keep seeing it with just a lot of different celebrities. That make very small, silly, silly, simple mistakes that are not career ending. Right. It's not something like, you know, you. It's like, that's not an allegation, but it's. It's something that changes public appeal. So when Dababy wonders why, you know, he does not have the same level of success, even though he makes pretty decent music and, you know, he had a hot moment back in 2019, it's because you are changing your public appeal, my boy.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Perception, unfortunately, as a celebrity, as a public figure, the way you are is. It's your social currency.

[Mecca]

Yeah. And it's like there's. There's an art to being a diva or there's an art to being quote, unquote, mean. I do think that people, they just don't get that part of it. Like, people who we know as mean or divas, they're also remembered in an endearing way. Like, something about it was funny or something about it was like. Like, I just seen a quote from an unauthorized or unofficial biography of Aretha Franklin. One where Eartha Kitt called her A, and two, where Jill. You see, you say, you see Jill Scott. She's made it. Go get her the hot dogs or something. Dog.

[Jamila]

Hot dogs with onions and mustard. She didn't even eat the hot dogs, but she went and got it. And it's just, man, it's just like,

[Mecca]

it's stupid, but it's not like harming anyone. It's not like making or rubbing people the wrong way. The baby, I think the reason his situation with his children rubbed people the wrong way is because he's been rubbing people the wrong way for a long time. Granted, it's coming from the same place of, like, how should we post children X, Y and Z? And like, what's your opinion on that? Is that's your own personal opinion. But the reason the baby did not get the same support as someone else is because you have been publicly A for like five years. You were very mean to one of your baby mothers. You left one baby mother for the other baby mother. You let her make a song called Yellow Bone. We haven't forgot about that. You had the colorist wars going on with your baby mamas, then weren't even mad that you killed A in Walmart because, you know, it was technically self defense and it added to your street cred. But then you got on stage and said that homophobic. Which was like, where did that even come from? Then? It was just. It was just like thing after thing after thing. It's like, oh, actually, you kind of suck. Like, what is this? And then on top of that, you was walking around in a diaper and was gonna let you rock. Cause your name was. Is the baby. Like, we weren't gonna bring it up, but it's like you're also mean and you're in a diaper. So, you know.

[Jamila]

Yeah, you gotta. And it's. And here's also the thing. This is the part about being kind of a mini pants, right? Because sometimes being a mini pants is like who you are at your core. And. And I'm not in the business of changing people. You are going to be who you are going to be. Right. However common, if you're going to be a meanie pants, this is a. This is a little bit of a. If you're gonna be a meaty pants, you should probably be like Gabrielle Union and be mean to all of your industry friends, but not your fans. The fans knew no such thing of Gabrielle Union being a until she told us. And then everybody was like, oh, I'm so glad she told you. Yeah, she was a. And then she apologized and no one gave a. And now she's still Gabrielle Union. Y' all just be mean.

[Mecca]

I just found out today she was a mini pants. Who was Gabrielle mean to? I didn't know she was a meanie pants, everybody.

[Jamila]

You didn't. Okay, so Gabriel, listen. Oh, and see this? Gabrielle Union did an interview herself and said, listen, when we were coming up in this industry, it was not a whole lot of black girls, right? I was one of, you know, a few hand of black girls. And I was kind of a. To everybody. I knew that I was getting roles over people because I was kind of a little shucking and jiving. And I felt like I got the upper hand because I was able to get this role over my black sister. I didn't. I was not in the business of unity. I was stepping on toes. I was kind of a. And she said one day, like, I had to check myself and be like, did you get the man? Did you get the job? Like, you did all this for what, bitch? Now you have no friends in the industry and it's just you now what? And so she basically kind of went on like an apology tour to her fellow sisters or whatever. And some of them, you know, re embraced her, and some of them was just like Nagaro. And was there. Was there anyone. Yeah.

[Mecca]

Was there anyone specifically who came out and was like, yeah, she was a. That you can think of.

[Jamila]

Claudia Jordan.

[Mecca]

Wow.

[Jamila]

I remember specifically Claudia talked about she made the announcement. She. She. She first started talking about it on stage. I think. I want to say it was Black Girls Rock. I can't. I can't say for sure, but it was something along the lines of a black. A black Girls rock awards ceremony. She got on stage and Soft launch that apology. Was talking about it, and Claudia was talking about how all the girls in the room was looking around, like, apparent it was a lot of people. I. I want to say specifically with Atkins, who's. I want to say there was something with her.

[Mecca]

Atkins.

[Jamila]

I want to say. I want to. Yeah, Atkins. She's. She was on. She's on all the. The Wayans Brothers movies. You know, her light skin, shorty.

[Mecca]

I would have to see a picture. That's so interesting.

[Jamila]

What is her name? Atkins. Atkins something. But. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I can't believe you.

[Mecca]

I just know about her eating the gooch, which she also told us that she does from time to time.

[Jamila]

Okay.

[Mecca]

Yes.

[Jamila]

Well, is Gabrielle Union a. Oh, my gosh. What a question. Essence.

[Mecca]

Oh, essence.

[Jamila]

Yes, yes, yes. I want to say they had a little tiff, but, yeah. I can't remember who she was talking to in that interview, but it's. It was really good, and it was a lot. It was. That interview was really good for. For the girls out there who have been caught up being. And who have been caught up being mean girls. The real deal. Mean girls. Because I think that, like, she was able to have. It was all her right. It wasn't like, oh, well, I got in trouble. Now I have to apologize for being a mean girl. She. This was all like, baby, I did self work, and I'm coming out. I was a. I'm sorry, y'. All. I was going through some innocent with myself. My bad. But it was really good because it was like, oh, she really did do the work. You could tell that she did the work, and you can tell that she was, like, gonna be accepting of whatever came after this. Like, y' all either gonna like me now. Be cool. Me now or not. And it is what it is. I get it, though. I was a. Yeah. Yes. That's a really good interview. I can't remember who she was talking to. Maybe Oprah. Let me. Let me see if I can find it real quick while we're chatting it up. But.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Wow. I did not know that.

[Jamila]

If you're gonna be mean, be mean to the people that are, like, in your same bracket. Don't be mean to the. To the little girl who trying to get ice cream. Chapel. Roan. I'm just playing.

[Mecca]

And that happened to be Jude Law's dude. Law's daughter. What was even the whole thing with that? Like, I saw it, but then I honestly, I wasn't that interested. I'll be honest. No shade.

[Jamila]

I really didn't give it.

[Mecca]

I didn't care. I'm not gonna lie.

[Jamila]

I just like the cultural relevance of everyone's using chaperone as. Like. It was actually with.

[Mecca]

Okay.

[Jamila]

By the way, it was in a 2013 interview with Oprah, and she. It was in about her memoir that she.

[Mecca]

That's where she said she ate the gooch.

[Jamila]

Gabrielle Union admitted to being a mean. Being a mean, vindictive, and hateful person earlier in her career. Yep. So you guys need to tap into that. It was really good and juicy. But, yeah, I just know people be saying, like, oh, my gosh. I looked at Chaperone and, like, all of a sudden, like, her fiery eyes started to melt me. Like, I just think that that is funny. Like, when something becomes now, like, Queen Nija. And now it's a. It's a. Now it's a. Exactly. Now it's a.

[Mecca]

Yes. Like, how the picture of Chica is like, I don't want no kids around. You know, I'm talking about. I'm gonna. It's a baby crying on this plane.

[Jamila]

It's like, now we're. Exactly. Now we don't even. Who cares about the original interaction? This is now Internet lore.

[Mecca]

That for me, the funniest part about that is that the baby was Zonique's daughter, was Ti's grandkid. That is like, the funniest part about that. The odds.

[Jamila]

I forgot that came.

[Mecca]

What are the odds that it was not.

[Jamila]

It was.

[Mecca]

It was not a random baby? It's just like with Chapel.

[Jamila]

That's a. That's a.

[Mecca]

That's a royal baby. It's Atlanta royalty. That baby you.

[Jamila]

You beeping with her.

[Mecca]

Atlanta,

[Jamila]

you beeping with. Oh, good God.

[Mecca]

Mind you, the bet. The.

[Jamila]

The.

[Mecca]

If you remember it, they was frying her up before we found out it was Z Child.

[Jamila]

So before we knew it was child.

[Mecca]

Good God. That was so funny.

[Jamila]

That was so.

[Mecca]

God, sometimes Twitter is. Is amazing. I swear to God, I like, I will never give the app up.

[Jamila]

I love Twitter.

[Mecca]

Well.

[Jamila]

Oh, no.

[Mecca]

You want to spin it?

[Jamila]

Time for a spin it.

[Mecca]

All right, this is our segment. Spin it. Where you guys send us your nasty, lowdown gutter snipe situations where Jamila and I will give you a little bit of advice, but mostly A PR spin. Now, keep in mind, Jamil and I are not PR professionals. We just studied communications in undergrad and we really love the unethical nature of pr. Don't forget to send your situations to at Unhinged and Immoral pod gmail dot com. Be sure to include your name, your race, your age, your gender, your sexual orientation, your political affiliations. And if you are a man, you do need to include your height. Jamila, what do we have this week?

[Jamila]

All right, I just closed it out.

[Mecca]

Damn, damn, damn.

[Jamila]

I don't even know where it went. I was gonna. I was literally just about to say this one is a little old, but it wasn't opened. Oh, I found it again. Sorry. Okay, but it wasn't open. So should. But y' all will tell us, child, you know, y' all be locked in. All right. Hi Mecca and Jamila. First of all, I just want to say how much I love this podcast. Y' all seriously get me through the week. The way y' all talk, laugh and hold nothing back makes me feel like I'm on FaceTime. My big sisters. Which means a lot because I don't have a relationship with my actual older sister anymore. So thank you.

[Mecca]

That's.

[Jamila]

Wow.

[Mecca]

That's what we're talking about.

[Jamila]

On par with what we were talking about. Now on to the mess. I need yalls unfiltered advice because I've gotten one foot out the door of a friendship that feels expired. I'm 23, black female and my best friend, also 23 black female, let's call her Jay, has been my life forever. We met in elementary school, got tight in middle school, and besties. One big fallout that lasted two years. We've been besties ever since. We both have kids as well. She had her first son in 17. He's five now. I'm actually his godmom. So back then it brought us closer. Since then, she's had two more babies and I have a two year old son of my own. Naturally, things are different now. We're both single mothers trying to keep our lives together. And that means we respond when we can, talk when we can. But lately it just feels like this friendship isn't giving what it used to. Jay is constantly trauma dumping on me, always venting about her baby daddy, who, by the way, I warned her about when she was only one kid in. I've sent endless paragraphs, voice notes, sat on the phone with her for two hours giving her advice and motivating her to leave early, early on. But she never listened. And Honestly, I'm tired. She doesn't ask how I'm doing at all. She knows I've been struggling with depression and I'm working full time in school and trying to raise a toddler of my own. And yet I don't get the same care or energy back. It's just always drama, always chaos, always her. And if I'm being real, she's very male centered, like painfully. It was whatever when we were teenagers. But now I want more out of life. I just want to heal, grow, build, not just talk about men 24 7. I know I need to let this friendship go, but I don't know how. I don't want it to be another. I don't want it to be another war. The last time we fell out, she was harassing me, calling my job, pretending to be someone else, and even had her baby daddy threatening to unlock me. That's a lot. Okay. The only reason we ever even reconnected was because she reached out when I was freshly postpartum and super vulnerable. But now seeing things more clearly and I know this ain't it. So, yeah, I'm hoping you guys can help me figure out how to leave this situation without things blowing up and without carrying guilt for choosing peace. I really appreciate it. Much love, sister.

[Mecca]

You might have to call the police. You call none here tomorrow. It sound like you need to call the police because. What the fuck?

[Jamila]

Well, it seems like the. The threatening happened a couple of years ago because she said that that's when they were falling out and they reconnected when she had her baby.

[Mecca]

But now she wanna. She wanna fall out again. That's what I'm saying. This is not funny. Y' all stress me out so bad.

[Jamila]

O.

[Mecca]

Get a gun. Do you have a gun?

[Jamila]

I'm. I'm curious to know how we got to that point though. Like how we get to a point from friends just, you know, having fallen out or whatever, not seeing eye to eye to. She. She got her baby daddy to threaten,

[Mecca]

but she was also. And also she was calling her job.

[Jamila]

Yeah, like I'm. I'm trying to figure out how we got there. Like what the occurred within yalls friendship to where. And I'm not trying to. I'm not victim blaming. I'm just. How did we get here? You know what I'm saying?

[Mecca]

But she's obviously, yeah. Worried about getting there again because, you know, I think she ended the letter with how do I end this without drama again? So it seems like possibly even the fact that she don't Want to with her. No more would create this level of drama again,

[Jamila]

Which is. Which is. Which is strange. And I think that you know the answer to this. I think you're. I think you know that this is not a conducive friendship. Right. I think you know that this person is just. You've outgrown this person, to say the least. I think what you're trying to figure out now is how do you end a friendship? And I will tell you, very similar to the way you end a relationship. Sometimes it's literally about saying, hey, I'm not rocking with this. And I have absolutely had to have that conversation. And I understand where you're coming from, where you're like. But there's so much time invested. There's so much like, you know, whatever you're the godmom to.

[Mecca]

Oh, I forgot about that child. That the, the, the.

[Jamila]

I have ended a friendship with somebody where I was chosen to be the godmother of their child and ain't got nothing to do with the baby. It don't got nothing to do with the baby. And the baby gonna be all right. Okay. It's. It's more so about putting you first, Lucius. Like, you do gotta do that. If this person does not match up to you in the things that you want out of your life, she's. She has a lot of red flags. She's. She's male centered. She's crazy as she's calling you every which way. She's only worried about herself. She's never asking you about what you're doing. Those are things that are just not good traits for a person. Right. And so I think that the way in which you end this, if you. I think it depends if you are some, like, nah, she's tripping. She's just been on bullshit. Just block her, like, be done with it. But if it's one of those people where it's like you still have some respect for her and you more so just want to create distance and you don't want it to be like this video.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And you want to like, you know, prop it up. Then maybe like a phone call, like, maybe even like, I don't know, like, I don't know what type of conversations y' all have. Already had to, like, attempt to mend situations. I'm always in like, the. Well, did you try to talk to them? Type of person. I, I do try to, especially with friends. Like, I, I've re. I don't think I've ever just cut a off off of one Little strike.

[Mecca]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jamila]

We. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk to a. You know what I'm saying? A friend is different than a. You know what I mean? So I'm wondering if you've done that. But if you've done that, you. I hope y' all don't live close together.

[Mecca]

This is my thing. I'll be honest. I think we're. We're jetting too far past her. Threatening to have her baby daddy kill you. I watch a lot of the 2000 and twenties and the snapped and I. I watch all that crazy. And when people do that type of. They. They 50, 50 are serious. So two things. She. She had that threat. But then also if she herself was calling your job, impersonating someone, basically, it sounds like trying to get you fired or trying to get you in trouble or just trying to create havoc and disrupt your routine every day. So she clearly doesn't mind getting involved in your. In a certain manner. I was soft ghost her because I do feel like a conversation might cause her to get active. You see what I'm saying? Like, I. I would be more concerned.

[Jamila]

And so if that's the case.

[Mecca]

That's what I said. You need to call the police.

[Jamila]

Because I Even, like, even if. Right. Like, if my friend called me today, right, and was just like, you've been on some other. I'm not with you. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't want to be your friend no more. My go to. And I'll be like, I'm gonna beat them. Right?

[Mecca]

Like, that's not.

[Jamila]

Like, I'm gonna have.

[Mecca]

That's not where my mind will go.

[Jamila]

That's not normal. Like, that's why I'm like, is there something. And again, this is not an attempt to say that you did something. I'm just wondering if we're missing pieces of the story because how do we go from y' all are just having misalignment to she's threatening to kill you. Did something happen? Like, something have had to happen, bro. Or she's manic and schizophrenic or some crazy. She's like. But even with schizophrenia. Don't act like that. No shade. Like, I know with schizophrenia.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I think you should call the police, girl. But I. But. But seriously, I think. I think you should call. You should do a soft ghost. That's the. I wouldn't do a conversation because I don't.

[Jamila]

Yeah, maybe a soft.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Because I don't think a conversation is going to Be productive. Based on the information you've given us, I think that you should possibly, like, get busy. You know what I'm saying? If she. And. And, you know, kind of breadcrumber, because, you know, if y' all friends and you talk on a regular basis, I know when I get busy and sometime my best friend calls, I'll be like, oh, girl, I just been busy. I've been in the wind and, you know, just breadcrumb it. Talk to her when you need to. But all this every day. You should have kept that friendship gone. I know you said you had postpartum, though, and needed a shoulder to lean on, so. I understand. But, yeah, it seemed like you had already.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And get you.

[Mecca]

Yeah, you had done the hard work of cutting them off.

[Jamila]

Don't have the. Don't have the only reliable friend be the business trying to kill you. You going to be on.

[Mecca]

Oh, I'm concerned. Yeah, you write us a follow up. Let us know how it goes.

[Jamila]

I don't like that. And. And. And when you write that follow up, baby, tell me what's missing from this

[Mecca]

story and why you're not close with your sister. Because if you was. If you was, you know, maybe if you was close with your sister, you wouldn't have this crazy ass friend. I don't know your business, though. I'm just saying.

[Jamila]

I just want to know. I want to know what's going on.

[Mecca]

Yeah, maybe it will put. It will put some puzzle pieces together for us. So what. What the hell is going on?

[Jamila]

Yeah, I. This is.

[Mecca]

It is.

[Jamila]

I wish you would have listed the city.

[Mecca]

And, you know, also, if it was from a certain type of city, I don't think I would be as concerned with the threats because the more ghetto is, the more violent. You know, they just talk. So I. If I knew the city, I might not be. I will say.

[Jamila]

What was I about to say? Oh, my God. It was gonna be something.

[Mecca]

It was gonna be something.

[Jamila]

I was. I literally looked at my calendar and it distracted me that.

[Mecca]

You do need to get on that medication. You need that medicine, Moody. Take real medicine.

[Jamila]

What was we talking about? My memory.

[Mecca]

Now you've got me up. We was talking about our listener letter. Or not. That's the read.

[Jamila]

Yes, but what were we just saying?

[Mecca]

Jamila.

[Jamila]

We were just saying something about her. Oh. We were saying if we knew the

[Mecca]

city, then, you know, sometime people just. The cities be ghetto. So if we knew the city.

[Jamila]

Oh, I remember what I was gonna say. I remember. I was gonna say, she sounds like one of those That'll get you like set up on some weird. Have you ever been around a girl that gave you that energy where she hasn't necessarily done anything yet, but it's like you immediately feel like diamond from the players club. Do you ever feel like if you

[Mecca]

ever been around roommate.

[Jamila]

She actually did try that.

[Mecca]

Tried to set me up several times.

[Jamila]

Whenever I'm around girls like that it's. And it's crazy because thank God I've never, it's never gone full on because when I tell you my body vibrates in a specific way when I'm around those type of girls. I am so, so really good at picking up on energy. Like there's a difference between like a girl you just don't vibe with. Like I don't really like her personality. We wouldn't really be cool versus I'm scared of this.

[Mecca]

I knew that was crazy.

[Jamila]

This got some energy on her baby.

[Mecca]

When she had me in a room with a. In an air mattress and and true story. I was all the way sitting in the corner. He was sitting in the other corner like come sit on the mattress with me. I was like, no. I called my mom so quick. This before Uber was even really a thing. Girl, I need some money for an Uber. She's not taking me home. And that was the other thing. She, she drove. So it was like can, can we leave? No, just go in the room with him. I don't want to. That he's ugly.

[Jamila]

Yeah. So I don't know. I wonder if your ex friend who's still your friend currently is on that type of time.

[Mecca]

Because she's male centered. I'm saying my old roommate was really male center away from her.

[Jamila]

Yeah, get away from her softly and send us that follow up off ghost with additional details so that we can

[Mecca]

better in the city live in

[Jamila]

because

[Mecca]

that would tell us a lot.

[Jamila]

I need the city, Stab. I need the city stat. Because this sound like some Detroit. Maybe Chicago. Somewhere in Indianapolis. Why do you sound so quiet all of a sudden? I think you are like unplugging your life or something.

[Mecca]

Oh, sorry. Indianapolis could be somewhere in New York. What?

[Jamila]

Boro could be some random like Gary, Indiana.

[Mecca]

Gary gets down though. Gary's.

[Jamila]

Gary is a little ghetto.

[Mecca]

Gary's a little ghetto. I know from Gary. I was gonna say I know from Gary.

[Jamila]

Not a little the. Not a little.

[Mecca]

That's why whenever.

[Jamila]

Whenever is down. Never play. What was it when Michael said they called him a black. My God.

[Mecca]

Remember they said. Did you see the. Did you see the video of them, the little girls looked Hispanic or Filipino or some.

[Jamila]

And it was a picture of Janet

[Mecca]

Jackson and she had to have been like 12. She said, this black lady looks just like Michael Jackson. And her mom was like, yes, look up her name. And then a little girl go ended with Michael Jackson was black. Oh, he is black. I'm like, these really don't think this is black. That's the funniest part. And that's why when he said they were so shocked, they had to remember. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You can't say that. You can't say that. Yeah, I forgot. I forgot.

[Jamila]

No, that. That video kills me every single time. I'm a fat black Michael. The other video where he's like, clap like, Michael was so funny.

[Mecca]

Such a kid.

[Jamila]

Don't get me started, child. Don't get me started. All right, y', all, it's about that time. Of course, you already know what to do. Make sure you guys are following us on all platforms. Make sure you guys are staying in in tune with all the things we do together and individually, make sure you guys are supporting. Subscribe to the Patreon where you guys can get exclusive content and of course, watch the episodes live while we tape them. By the time you guys are watching this episode, Mecca will actually be in Atlanta and we will be recording our in person interviews which is super exciting. So let us know who you want to see or let us know who you are expecting. Do you have any guesses on who we interview this week or who we're going to interview this week? Week? We would love to to hear you guys answers. Maybe that can give us some ideas for the next round.

[Mecca]

Let us know.

[Jamila]

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[Mecca]

That's it.

[Jamila]

Early access to the episode.

[Mecca]

Oh, and the live chat. Live chat. We didn't do it today because we were. It's eastern, we're busy but usually we have the live chat going. We love shout out to all of our people who are constantly in our live chat when we record record. Y' all are so much fun. Yeah.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And also if you're in Atlanta, check us out. Next week, April 25th, we will be on the panel with Charlamagne the God. I feel like baby, y' all got some names. Next week, April 25, me and Mecca will be on a panel with Charlemagne the God at the Black Effect Podcast festival. So if you guys have not already, go ahead and get your tickets. It's going to be a show y' all are not going to want to miss that. All of our faves are going to be there. Mona, Deontay, Kev on stage.

[Mecca]

I mean, it's a really stacked list. It's a lot of people.

[Jamila]

Make sure y' all tune in. It's a lot of people. And. And also, that's just the panelists. You don't know who gonna be walking

[Mecca]

around just, you know, mingling and twinkling. I'm gonna remember that twinkling.

[Jamila]

I'm always, you know, I'm saying, putting some words together. You know what I mean? But, yeah, love you guys so much.

[Mecca]

Bye.