NO SHADE... With Cameron

Summary

Unhinged & Immoral – Episode Summary

Episode: NO SHADE... With Cameron

Date: November 6, 2025
Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Guest: Cameron (TikTok influencer, GSU grad)

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Overview

In this lively, candid, and hilarious episode, Jamila and Mecca welcome TikTok sensation and fellow GSU alum Cameron. Over Prosecco, the trio dives deep into influencer culture, the anxieties and realities of newfound success, authenticity in content creation, internet friendships, fandoms (especially Housewives and Love Island), plus a raucous advice segment for a high school listener’s romantic conundrum. Personal stories, behind-the-scenes commentary, and memorable shade abound in this sprawling, unfiltered Kiki that balances wild internet gossip with surprising vulnerability.

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1. The Prosecco Welcome & Setting the Vibe (00:31–02:29)

• Kameron is introduced with panache—a “GSU grad, TikTok sensation, over 700k followers.”
• There's much banter about Prosecco and day drinking:
  • “Prosecco is for the day. Tequila is for the night.” (Cameron, 02:02)
• The crew immediately establishes a loose, tipsy, best-friends energy, ribbing each other about drinks and personality traits.

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2. Cameron’s On-Screen Persona: Loud, Real, and Quick on the Draw (02:29–03:56)

• Discussion of Cameron’s TikTok style: rapid-fire speech, cussing proficiency (“I learned it from my dad”), not missing a beat.
  • “It just come off the dome. That’s how I feel. No shade.” (Cameron, 02:51)
• Debate over talking fast versus slow—“Your brain is moving really slowly. No shade.” (Cameron, 03:37)

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3. Hair Care Plug & Meeting Tina Knowles (04:32–07:58)

• Plug for Beyoncé’s mom's hair product line.
• Wild, reverent story of meeting Tina Knowles:
  • “She came in and said, ‘Hi, you guys. My name’s Tina. I’m Beyoncé’s mom.’ I said, honey, you don’t have to let us know.” (Cameron, 07:07)
  • The group fawns over the “powerful womb” of Tina Knowles and the cultural impact of women like her.

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4. Being Starstruck—Only for Beyoncé (08:02–09:20)

• Mecca describes getting near Beyoncé in Atlanta and being “actually gagged.”
  • “She is 40 plus... Mother of 53 kids... The skin looks good. My God.” (Mecca, 09:01)
• The only time these online girls get starstruck is for Beyoncé.

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5. Wine Science & Mary Jane Horror Stories (11:04–17:29)

• Wine Pairings for Every Occasion: Prosecco by day, red wine for “nasty business,” spiritual connections to drinks.
• Cameron’s paranoid weed story:
  • “Two puffs, honey. I was gagging. I tried to sit down and I held the couch and I said, I can’t sit... Call my mom. Call the police.” (Cameron, 15:52–16:10)
• General agreement: Everyone has their vices; know your limits and stay safe.

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6. Drug Realness and TikTok Warnings (17:28–18:51)

• Discussion of addictive personalities and viral TikToks of drug misuse:
  • “That’s one thing... With Ms. Powder, you keep her away from me. No, ma’.” (Cameron, 17:43)
• PSA for Fentanyl test strips, and cautionary tales.

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7. Reality TV Trends and Influencer Commentary (18:58–23:41)

• Cameron’s rise as a reality TV commentator:
  • “Sometimes I just want to eat my food and watch a show. I don’t want to sit here and give my commentary every single second.” (Cameron, 19:58)
• Contention over Love Island and Love Is Blind fandoms:
  • New fans too “serious”; irrational fandom explained by underdeveloped teenage brains.
• Psychology of reality TV personalities—unresolved trauma and “Disney adults.”
  • “When you go through things at a certain point in your life, your mind like, gets stuck there.” (Cameron, 23:58)

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8. Hilarious Teenager Drama Stories (25:16–28:23)

• Personal drama stories from the hosts and Cameron: missed birthday car surprises, sleepover “dictatorships,” and the Cheetah Girls vs. Hannah Montana standoff.
• Notable: the importance of never giving party guests a choice—curating your own celebration.

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9. Church Trauma & Cultural Code Switching (29:33–32:26)

• Dissection of Black church dress codes and different denominations.
• Funny quote:
  • “If my baby can’t go to your house, then their child can’t come over here. That’s just how I feel, y’all.” (Mecca, 73:10)
• They reflect on “come as you are” versus “give Him your best” in Black church upbringings.

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10. Creator Friendships and Industry Frenemies (32:35–37:32)

• Navigating internet notoriety:
  • “The Internet notoriety can make people think you still not the same bitch. No shade. Bitch. I knew you when...” (Cameron, 33:21)
• Authenticity versus façade:
  • “What you see online is what you’re gonna get in the flesh.” (Cameron, 34:06)
• Networking faux pas: the “how many followers do you have?” encounter, and how numbers define social dynamics.

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11. Dating While Influencer (37:32–41:33)

• Has fame changed how Cameron dates?
  • “Honestly, no. Which could be a fault of my own... The boys are behind the scenes.” (Cameron, 37:48)
• Public launches versus privacy:
  • “I'm a poster. Boost. Cause if you know him, let me know.” (Cameron, 39:17)
• Healthy detachment: content creation is “just a part of life,” not an entire identity.

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12. The Business of Influencing, Money and Taxes (43:10–47:31)

• Brand deals only for products Cameron genuinely likes:
  • “They give me a nasty coin. No shade. But that’s because I’m not gonna do it if I genuinely don’t believe it.” (Cameron, 43:27)
• The realities and anxieties of influencer money:
  • “During the summer... I made $50,000 for the month ...come last month, I think I made like 10, which is still good... But that's a drastic change.” (Cameron, 47:02)
• No financial safety nets, heavy praise for trusted managers/attorneys.

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13. Designer Bags, Bougie Aspirations, & Money Traumas (48:56–53:54)

• Debating Birkin bags, Coach, Marc Jacobs, Fendi baguettes.
• “Coming into money while previously being broke... very anxious, it’s jolting.”
  • “My parents never made that kind of money... $50,000 a month. That’s a lot of money.” (Cameron, 52:25)
• Discussion of Black family's relationship with money and self-worth.

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14. Housewives & Reality TV Deep Dive (54:09–62:54)

• Cameron’s favorite Housewives franchises:
  • “Salt Lake City” (Cameron, 54:18), Lisa Barlow, and Nene Leakes (“of all time”)
• Detailed critiques on Atlanta, Beverly Hills, and casting suggestions (“Lisa Raye McCoy should be on Atlanta!”).
• “You need someone who’s a little ditzy... you need a queen... you need an anchor... you need one who’s always in something.” (Cameron, 58:50)
• Love for classic, unapologetic “rich white” on Beverly Hills (“Just be that, Kathy Hilton!” 60:41)

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15. Segment: Spin It! – High School Romance Advice (63:38–80:06)

Listener dilemma (summarized):

Bisexual male, high school senior, dating a DL boy who blocks him to hide their connection when his mom confiscates his phone; wondering if he should “thug it out” or move on.

Panel Replies:

• Cameron: “You should thug it out, sister... When the time comes, mama will know. No blockies.” (66:59)
• Jamila: Being DL in high school is normal; just be safe, let friends know your activities.
• Mecca (cautious): “I think you should leave that boy alone... I don't want you to get used to dealing with DL men and all of a sudden that becomes your go-to.” (69:40)
• Nuanced discussion on queerness, high school dynamics, closets vs. being DL, safety, and building self-worth.

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16. Cameron’s Final Roast: Swifties and Internet Villains (82:05–84:44)

• Cameron calls out two parties:
  1. Taylor Swift stans:
     • “You just didn’t get it. Your ears were too close to her puss. That’s what it was.” (Cameron, 83:13)
  2. Anonymous “nasty, evil” internet personality (“You know exactly who you are…”).
• Classic Cameron: sharp tongue, fearless shade, and humor.

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Notable Quotes

“Prosecco is for the day. Tequila is for the night.”
— Cameron (02:02)

“I’m just a bitch with an iPhone that run their mouth. No shade.”
— Cameron (42:13)

“That’s why the brand deals that I do... give me a nasty coin. No, Shade. But that's because I'm not gonna do it if I genuinely don't believe it.”
— Cameron (43:10)

“Coming into money while previously being broke... it is kind of traumatic.”
— Cameron (51:16)

“Judge the art for the art and let it be the art and move on. Goddamn fighters.”
— Cameron (83:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Meet Cameron / Drinks & Vibes: 00:31–02:29
• Cameron’s Persona Discussion: 02:29–03:56
• Tina Knowles & Motherhood: 04:32–07:58
• Starstruck by Beyoncé: 08:02–09:20
• Substance Stories & Vices: 14:21–17:29
• Reality TV Commentary: 18:58–23:41
• Teen Drama Stories: 25:16–28:23
• Internet Creator Culture: 32:35–37:32
• Influencer Authenticity & Dating: 37:32–41:33
• Business of Influencing: 43:10–47:31
• Designer Bags & Money Anxiety: 48:56–53:54
• Housewives Segment: 54:09–62:54
• Spin It! Listener Advice: 63:38–80:06
• Final Roasts & Wrap: 82:05–84:44

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Tone and Style

Conversational, irreverent, heavily shaded, unapologetically Black and queer, with warm vulnerability, tough love, and riotous personal storytelling. The episode delivers both laughs and hard truths about internet culture, money, family, and self-worth.

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For Listeners: Why This Episode Matters

• Unfiltered, experienced influencer wisdom for those curious about the realities behind the content.
• Candid, relatable stories about “coming into money” after struggle, the gig economy, and keeping it real on and offline.
• Intelligent pop culture commentary: Housewives, Love Island, and the psycho-social dynamics driving online drama.
• A heartfelt advice segment that doesn’t shy away from the realities faced by queer teens online.
• Fierce, memorable read of Swifties and fake “industry friends.”

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Links:

• Cameron: TikTok @camerongerard
• Podcast: New episodes drop Thursdays. Exclusive content available on Patreon.

Memorable Moment:

“Your ears were too close to her puss.” (Cameron dragging Taylor Swift stans, 83:13)

Transcript

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She flowing in that cash talk Walk in the booth like Naomi on the catwalk and tell them from the Jaguar it ain't even right though push me and I might go she ain't getting money I'm like, what the the hype for when them bitches bite flow make my appetite go poof gone. Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them ramping. Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged and Immoral. I am your host, Jameela.

[B]

And I'm your host, Mecca.

[A]

Today we have such a special guest. I'm so excited. This is going to be a good old nasty Kiki. We have a amazing influencer in the building, one of our fellow TikTok friends. I mean, fellow GSU graduate, TikTok sensation. With over 700k followers, we have Cameron.

[C]

Hi, everybody. How are we feeling today?

[B]

We're feeling great. I know you're feeling good.

[C]

Oh, I feel great.

[B]

Camera loaded in here with a ball of Prosecco.

[C]

Sure did. I bring the Prosecco anywhere I go.

[B]

Have you ever seen love after lockup?

[C]

Oh, my God, yes.

[B]

The little white girls be like Prosecco.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That's so you.

[C]

It literally, it's very much so me. I need my perspective. I just feel like, what's a social gathering if you ain't got a little libation you need? You a libation.

[A]

You do a little sip or two.

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Just a sip or two. Make it live. Have some fun.

[A]

You don't need.

[B]

You don't need your.

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Your tequila.

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Offer it. I do like my tequila. You know I love my 818, but plug your girl. Thank you.

[B]

Cause you the only one.

[C]

My Kendall Jenner. Yes. I love my 818. I don't really care what anybody got to say about my sister. That's my sister, and she makes a good tequila. I'm sorry, I will say this. Prosecco is for the day. Tequila is for the night.

[B]

Yes.

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Oh, so you have a little bit of decorum.

[C]

A little bit of decorum. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a wee bit.

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Just a wee.

[C]

Unless it's an event. Homecoming yesterday Tequila.

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All day.

[B]

All day.

[C]

All day, right? Yeah.

[A]

Bent over.

[C]

Bent over, boobs.

[B]

Slumped.

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So, you know, I feel like you are known on TikTok as a very outspoken, good yeller, good cusser.

[B]

You cuss real good friend.

[C]

I do. I learned it from my dad.

[A]

It's so quick and you don't miss a beat.

[B]

You know how some people stutter over their words?

[A]

I don't think I've ever heard you stutter.

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One take.

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Yeah, because it's like it just come off the dome. That's how I feel. No shade. Like it's throwing me off. So I'm letting you know it's throwing me off right here in the moment. I have to let you know. And people say I talk really fast too, which I think is like a blessing and a curse. Because for some people I'm talking way too fast and you gotta slow down. But for other people. Let's get to the point, catch up. I hate a little video where it's like, oh, well, here's how I feel. Come on.

[A]

Or I'm a cheat. And look at the comments.

[B]

I'm in the middle.

[A]

What you talking about?

[B]

I'm in the middle. But you know what? I used to think I talked fast until I met you. You know, they be in my comments. You don't talk fast. I don't talk fast at all.

[C]

I think you talk at a normal speed.

[A]

You're very much California, like so today.

[B]

So today this is what we're doing. People think I talk fast. I've seen it in my comments.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

That's insane. I feel like. And it's no shade. It's really no shade at all. I feel like people who say, oh, you talk too fast. Your brain is moving really slowly. No shade. Like you're kind of.

[B]

You talk fast, but it's not at a speed. That is. I can't understand it.

[A]

Yeah, thank you.

[B]

It's just like, oh, you talk fast.

[A]

Yeah. It's exciting. It kind of is exhilarating when I'm watching you cut somebody out. This is my exact face. Girl, get her Jade. Not wrapper again, literally. That's exactly how I feel.

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My pat.

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Sorry.

[B]

Oh, this is my quick weave.

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Okay.

[C]

Period.

[A]

I'm sorry, Is it a weekend?

[B]

You said?

[A]

What is it a weekend?

[B]

Well, once I leave Atlanta, it's a two weeker.

[A]

Has it been a week since you've had it in?

[B]

Oh, no.

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I'm gonna say right around that six day mark is when I get to be.

[B]

I. I'm around four. So okay, you're almost there. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Okay. Let me do another plug. I live for a good plug, I'm telling y'. All. Cause I don't lie. I'm never gonna lie. That sacred protective spray. I'm telling you.

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Let's get into my mother.

[C]

No, for real. Cause she chewed on that one. She really did chew.

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I say. Yeah, I fear.

[C]

I really fear because I had those braids in the last time you saw me. I had those in for, I think, almost six weeks. Girl. I sprayed it down.

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No itch, no burn.

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No itch, no burn.

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You know why I believe that? Cause I know it's her and Ms. Tina's, like, product. When I was reading the Matriarch and I was reading the chapter on headliners, which was Ms. Tina's salon that she had back in Houston, that was like their whole thing. She had mixed, like, high end hair products that were very expensive at the time with like, the remedies that her mama and him did. So, like, hair products and like, that works in your hair has been Ms. Tina's thing for, like, some time. So when I saw they were dropping this line, I did. I know there was a lot of talking going on, but I thought it was going to be good simply because I was like. Her mama owned a salon that. That literally she stopped because she was becoming Beyonce. It wasn't because it wasn't successful.

[A]

A real cosmetologist.

[B]

Psychological cosmetologist.

[C]

It was honestly, like really a passion project. They really, like, cared about it and said, we're really going to invest in multiple ways to make sure it's good.

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I knew it was going to because, I mean, my mother doesn't do anything bad.

[C]

She don't.

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So I knew then that it was going to be good and I was going to purchase whatever it was, was.

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Going to purchase it.

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So let's talk about that.

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And so then when she.

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But I'm glad it worked.

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Thank you.

[C]

When she said it to me, I gagged.

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Let say something with that big old box. Sit that damn. Oh.

[C]

I said, wait, hold on. What is this, honey? I opened it up, it said sacred scare girl. I gagged on the flow.

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So you know me, you know me.

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And I know her mama. Cuz I.

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And you know her mother.

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And you met me.

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I've got the phone. You know what?

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Cause we have to have a moment.

[B]

Saved me my phone.

[A]

Please do we have to have a moment? It wasn't even that.

[B]

I said safe.

[A]

What is that? What does that even feel like to be in the presence Girl of Mama, Tina.

[C]

I gagged so bad. I gagged so bad. I was gagging because they said, oh, hey, you guys. Ms. Tina's gonna come. I said, Ms. Tina who? Tina Fey? They said, no, Tina knows. I said, oh, Celestine. I was begging. And she came in and she said, hi, you guys. How are y'? All? My name's Tina. I'm Beyonce's mom. I said, honey, you don't have to let us know.

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We know who you are. We know.

[C]

Mama, do you know who you are?

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Hello?

[C]

And then I went up to her. I was like, hi. I'm so sorry. Can I get a picture immediately? Yeah, of course, baby. I said, thank you so much. She said, you are just so sweet. I said, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I really had to take a step back and say, yeah.

[B]

No, it's like that.

[C]

That's Beyonce's mother.

[A]

Mother.

[C]

She birthed Beyonce. She spent days with Beyonce and Solange.

[B]

She had this thing where it's like Tina Knowles and Katherine Jackson. The womb's so powerful.

[C]

That's a powerful womb.

[A]

It's the womb.

[B]

Like, we. Like you was in the power of real great. Like, the womb.

[A]

You had no choice but to be good.

[C]

It was no way. It was no other option.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I gagged so bad.

[A]

Yeah. To be in the presence of greatness.

[C]

To be in the presence.

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To just touch the hem of the garment.

[B]

Come on, now. Because they said Jesus was in the way. Shout out to Deontay. When we were. When I did. When was at the Cowboy Carter show here in Atlanta. We were. What was it? I was in the honey bucket pit. Or with a closer pit. Being that close to Beyonce was insane. Like, close enough that, like, I'm like, you're right here. You're where that. You're where that is.

[A]

I wonder.

[B]

Good in person. Everyone looks good in person. But I just. You know, I'm having these moments where I'm in, like, the presence of more celebrities and I'm not gagged.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'll be honest. I'm not that person. It's no shade. It's no shade. But I'm not gagged. Just like you're human. Beyonce. I was gagged.

[C]

Beyonce.

[B]

How pretty she is. And when I say how pretty she is, I mean the skincare routine, please give it to us.

[A]

That's used to be just glowing because she.

[B]

She is 40 plus is what I'm trying to say. And a mother and A mother of 53 kids.

[A]

Two, which were twins.

[B]

You see what I'm saying? The skin Looks good. My God, she doesn't look haggard. Not that she would, but, you know, she's a mature lady. I was actually gagged. I said, bitch, you look good.

[C]

I think about it all the time. When she said in Homecoming, I fasted. I ate. No carbs.

[A]

I'm hungry.

[C]

I'm hungry. All you eating is fruit and vegetables. And you running on that treadmill.

[A]

Running, girl.

[C]

Let me get that.

[A]

With that bad knee, then the foot. My sister been through it, and she still gives us her.

[C]

And had preeclampsia.

[B]

Hello, I'm saying.

[A]

And an emergency C section.

[B]

Things that women go through every day. I was gagged and no shade.

[A]

I was.

[B]

I was at the show that Jay came out at. I was also gagged at Jay only because they swear up and down the Solace front. He was freshly parted and twisted down the day he came out in Atlanta.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It was coming from the root.

[C]

They said, we gotta. We have to do this right now. You can hit the stage. Let's go ahead and do a reset. Let's go ahead and do this now, real quick. And then you can hit the stage.

[A]

What a couple. And I just must say this every chance I get. She did look at me in the eyes. There you go.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

She knows me.

[C]

She knows you. She knows your face.

[A]

I felt like, that's so Raven. I said, oh, and do.

[C]

She has seen your face.

[A]

Cause the amount of times I done dreamed about her, I'm like, girl, I know she went to bed. Like, who the hell was that last night? That was me, Giselle. That was me. Girl, we didn't connect. The kindred spirit.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yes. I really want to meet salon. I was all black person in my previous life, and I was Solange. Hive down.

[C]

Solange.

[B]

She seems so cool.

[C]

She's so fun to me. Like, she genuinely seems like a fun, good time.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We could sit down, drink a glass of Prosecco.

[A]

Kiki, really chop it up.

[B]

Solange gives red wine.

[C]

Ooh.

[B]

She knows she give a red.

[C]

No. Guess what she do. She do.

[B]

No, she.

[C]

But we're talking about the wine. Red wine at the night. I'm telling y', all, It's a science to this. I'm telling y'.

[B]

All. Cause she's a classy lady.

[C]

She's a classy girl.

[B]

So what's she drinking? Cause I didn't catch it.

[C]

She's gonna do her Prosecco during the day if we doing a daytime function.

[B]

So everybody's on Prosecco during the day.

[C]

It has to be. You have to have a sparkling white Wine and chardonnay.

[A]

Do you like a Riesling?

[C]

You know, but I do like a Riesling. But Riesling is just so tad bit too sweet.

[A]

And that's why she's my girl.

[B]

You like a dry wine? Yeah, you a dry.

[A]

Ooh, you're so mature.

[C]

I'm so mature with it.

[A]

Yeah, I like me a little. You've lived a tart.

[C]

Just a little tart.

[B]

So I know you fuck with red at the night when you do nasty business.

[A]

Cause red, that's coochie juice or red wine is so.

[C]

Yeah, she's very much so.

[A]

Like, it's so serious. Oh, this was the wine that they were drinking. Red wine. Jesus.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you feelings?

[C]

Wine to water. Water to wine.

[B]

Yeah. No. And I'm like, jesus, this is what you turn water into.

[C]

Yes, honey.

[B]

That's why salt and gomorrah was going crazy like that.

[C]

Hello.

[B]

That was a lot.

[A]

Jesus. And I know, to be honest, any drink kind of gets.

[C]

And then. Oh, baby, that. That wasn't 18%. That was 85.

[A]

85 and above. And above straight liquor.

[B]

And they let the kids drink it.

[A]

Yes, everybody was drinking it.

[B]

Well, you know.

[C]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[C]

In Europe, they don't have a real drinking age. Correct.

[A]

That's what I heard. I heard you could drink it like 18.

[B]

The techno drinking age is either 16 or 18. I can't. I can't remember. But it is not taboo for kids to drink.

[C]

Yeah. Like, they drink wine at dinner.

[B]

Like at wine, I mean, which is like.

[A]

It's like low key.

[B]

They look at sex different too. It's like a whole. They're different.

[C]

It's just a different culture.

[B]

It's a different culture.

[C]

It's like low key crazy. But, like, not low key crazy. Because when you think about it. Welcome to my red table talk.

[A]

Let's get into it.

[C]

I think that's why in America a lot of people have a drinking problem and they binge drink. Because when you. When you go to college, it's like, oh, you're just now getting introduced to this. You're drinking, drinking, drinking. Everybody's drinking, drinking, drinking. And it is like you're drinking to the point where you're literally passing out on the floor and you're throwing up as opposed to.

[B]

That's what you're supposed to do at that point.

[C]

Exactly. As opposed to in other places. You've been drinking since you were like 11. So it's nothing really new. Like, it's just like, bitch, I was if you want to drink, have drink.

[B]

Drinking some wine, bitch.

[A]

That's cool.

[C]

Crazy, that no shade. I could not imagine.

[A]

That's a bit crazy.

[C]

I couldn't imagine being 12 years old and my parents say, hey, here's your dinner. Here's your glass of wine, honey. I would have passed that boot so.

[A]

Bad my first time drinking liquor. I'll never forget. Well, we've always took a little sip of our mother's wine or my dad's beer. We already knew that shit was nasty as kids, but my sister dared me to take a shot of vodka when I was in high school. I didn't know. I couldn't have no type of understanding that liquor did not taste like wine and beer. Oh, my God. I was. My entire body burned. I thought it was poison. I thought the bitch tried to kill me. And she probably did because I was like, what the fuck is that?

[C]

Literally horrible, girl.

[A]

Probably my last time taking a shot.

[C]

My relationship with alcohol, it's always been kind of. Well, like, I remember when I was a little kid, I used to be like, ooh, girl, I'm never gonna drink. That changed very quickly my relationship with marijuana. Oh, honey, get into it. She gagged me for filth so bad. And I said, we want it done.

[A]

So were you one of the psychosis babes on the weeds, bitch?

[C]

Let me tell you.

[B]

Let's call her Mary Jane.

[C]

Mary Jane.

[B]

Let's call it Mary Jane.

[C]

When I tried Miss Mary Jane, I gagged. I went to my friend's house, and she was an avid Mary Jane user.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

She was into her. That was her thing. I said, okay, I'll come over. She said, okay, everyone's coming over. Let's have a good time. We, back in the day, we used to get us a little Four Loko.

[A]

Ah, please.

[B]

That was your first problem. That was where you fucked up first.

[C]

We got us a little bit of a fort. Loko. Yes. We. We took some sips of the Four Loko. Feeling good. Okay. Hey. She said, oh, Cameron, here you go. I took a puff. I said, okay. That was kind of gross. She said, oh, go ahead. I took another puff. I blacked out boots so bad. Like, I was standing there like this. I gagged. My friend had to carry me up the stairs.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

We got to her basement. I'm trying to sit down.

[A]

I'm too puff off.

[C]

Two puffs, honey. I was gagging. I was gagging. I tried to sit down and I held the couch and I said, I can't sit. I can't sit I can't move. I can't move. I said, call my mom. Call my mom.

[B]

Call my mom.

[C]

Call my mom. And so then my friend said, do you really want us to call your mom? I said, no, call the police.

[B]

Call the police.

[C]

And so then she was like, well, I can't call the police because we're underage. We've been drinking. We got this going on. I'm like, okay, but don't call the police. Call my friend Tristan. Call her. Call her.

[A]

Call somebody.

[C]

Call somebody to come get me. I cannot move. I gagged. Then my friend started speaking in tongues.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

They were praying over you?

[C]

Yes, honey.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

She was gagging. She said.

[B]

I love her so bad.

[A]

Come out of her now.

[B]

Come out of him. I love black people. I'm not gonna lie.

[C]

She started crying, speaking in tongues. I'm like. And that kind of brought me back. Cause I was like, oh, I did.

[A]

That's too much. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, bitch.

[C]

Hold on, hold on.

[A]

It was never that down bad.

[C]

It wasn't that serious. I'm not passing that on the flow. I just said, I couldn't see it, Mama. So I finally got it together. They gave me some water, and I was like, yeah, I'm never doing that again. They said, you shouldn't.

[A]

Yeah, you would never be allowed to be there with me again. Yeah, you're done.

[C]

Done.

[A]

Boobs.

[B]

I mean, I used to pass out. That's why I don't play with Mary Jane.

[C]

No, you shouldn't.

[B]

No, I'm a passer. Outer.

[C]

I mean, if that's your thing. I feel like everybody has their thing. Some people you can get into the Mary Jane. You like. You a good little puff, too. Go ahead, do your thing. That's your little evening. Calm down.

[A]

That's your little vice.

[C]

Some people like a little wine.

[A]

Some people like a little powder.

[C]

Some people like a little Xanax.

[A]

A little Yerky Yerk. You know, there's so many things on the market.

[C]

That virus.

[B]

Everybody has their vices.

[A]

Y' all better get them Fentanyl strips, though.

[C]

I tell you, hello, that's one thing. And it's naughty and it's no shade when it come to Ms. Powder. You keep her away from me. No, ma'.

[B]

Am.

[C]

Cause I already know how I am. I have a very addictive personality. So if I try it once and you like it now I'm.

[B]

It's over.

[C]

We done went from.

[A]

To what, Tyrone?

[B]

Now your nose falling off, Baby on Tik Tok.

[A]

Did you see that girl?

[C]

Yes, that happens. All the time.

[B]

No, I know, but she really, like, documents her nose falling off.

[A]

And her husband died from a nose.

[B]

Her husband died?

[A]

Yes. They was both crackheads together.

[C]

She.

[A]

This is the story. So they're both crackheads. They both indulged in several different drugs. Right. But their. Their. Their fave was the powder.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So she was in the middle of a deviated septum number, like, her nose was actively dissolving off of her. God. And so I believe she was either at the doctor or something. And what they would do is kind of hustle really quick to get a quick little change so they can get some meth. And so essentially, he tried to that, but he was already on a little powder. And then you mix the two. Next thing you know, boom, Pow. His heart exploded.

[C]

Yeah. I've watched way too much intervention.

[A]

You can't do stuff like that for me, baby.

[C]

You can't do stuff like that, my love.

[A]

Yeah, no.

[B]

Well, speaking of intervention, you're known for your reality show TV commentary. Your TV commentary in general is something that you're known for. Yes. What is it like being a pioneer in that space? Because I feel like I really do. I feel like I always saw commentary from maybe a specific network or maybe specific franchise, maybe a specific show. But you kind of do, like, whatever the vibes are.

[A]

Yeah, whatever you watch, whatever you're watching.

[B]

And so now it's at the point where people like, Kimryn, are you watching this? Or we want you to watch this and tell us about it. Like, how does that feel to be that guy?

[C]

I love it. I really love it, and I'm very grateful that people care about my opinion about what I have to say. So that's really nice, and I'm very appreciative of that. However, comma, I think it's turned into a thing where now people are like, oh, we'll talk about this.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And it's no tea. It's no shade. Yeah, I just don't want to watch that.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And also sometimes I just want to eat my food and watch a show. I don't want to sit here and give my commentary every single second on what's going on. I just want to relax, watch the show. Sometimes I just want to watch it with my friends. Sometimes I want to watch it with my parents. Like, I don't want to be giving. And that's another thing. I feel like I'm not the kind of person to be, like, having a phone out, watching a show with my friends here, and I'm giving commentary and they're sitting here enjoying the show. That's kind of weird. So I think it's kind of like a double edged sword. It's good and I love it and I'm grateful. But also no shade. If I don't want to watch it, I'm not gonna watch it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I feel like that definitely happened when I stepped my toe into that Love island pool.

[C]

Cause they get filthy with it, honey.

[A]

Because first of all, bitch, this was really my first season watching for real.

[B]

Boy, mom.

[A]

So. And I was managing the child. It just kind of got to a point where I was like, hey, y' all are weird.

[B]

And I.

[A]

It's not that serious. And it's like I've always been very much like, commentary on just different things. Like, if I'm watching and I feel like talking about it because it's just so, like, crazy, I'll talk about it. But if my core people around these parts, y' all know good and motherfucking well, y' all gonna get what I feel like doing. Y' all cannot bully me into a goddamn thing.

[C]

Exactly. And that's how I feel. Because it's like, girl, you want me to watch this? Do you really want me to? Cause my heart and my soul not gonna be in it.

[A]

Do you really want me?

[C]

You gonna be bored as hell.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

Cause I tried to do the most recent, not the one that's on now, but the Love island or Love is Blind. Previously when it was in Minnesota.

[C]

Yeah, girl, I started that.

[A]

I cut that out so quickly. I said no. Somebody was like, can you finish? No, no. Are you gonna do Love island games? No, no, no.

[B]

Love island game. No. So I'm a person who's been the Love island universe for like a decade, since they started, like, when it was just uk, then it was Australia, then it was usa. And I will say it was too many civilians watching Love island this year. It was too many new. Because the popularity of, like, Serena Cordell. I agree about a whole bunch of people who don't understand Love Island. Like when I kept. I remember I said this and they got so mad at me. Nickel Andrea. Hive got mad as at me. I said, they don't like each other like that, but it's okay because they just vibing like. I didn't mean.

[A]

What do you mean by that?

[B]

Yeah, Nicole. Andrea. But like to the point where it's like sometimes it's only three or four people left in the villa. You gotta link with someone if you're trying to stay in the game. Like, that's A regular Love island thing to do. Like, what they did is not. It's not crazy. And they don't have to necessarily like each other like that for them to still be what they are, which all are seeing. So it's like they were too. It was too serious. We couldn't really. But the thing is, Love island fandom does get nasty. But it gets nasty amongst the unwell people who watch it.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

It's kind of like Bravo Universe.

[C]

We gonna take that.

[B]

Okay, let's table.

[C]

I also feel like when it comes to Love island this latest season, it's a bunch of like, children. No Shade. Watching it. And they. It's no Shade. Your brain is not fully developed. And that's why you think that way.

[B]

That's why you think is normal.

[C]

Because that's not normal, baby.

[A]

It's not at the.

[B]

Fuck off.

[C]

It's no Shade. Like.

[A]

And the rationalizations and like, the explanations is. It makes y' all sound even crazier than her.

[C]

Exactly. I fear. I'm sorry I said it before. I'll say it again. I wish her the best. I would like for her to see a therapist. No, Shade. Everybody could use a little bit of therapy. It don't mean you a bad person, but you gotta figure this out as to why you are behaving in this irrational way. I know the answer.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because Tina o' Shea to have a degree in sociology. No, Shay.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[C]

No Shay.

[B]

Did you watch her just call her daddy interview?

[C]

I did. Basically. I feel as if her trauma from her childhood, that impacted her a lot.

[B]

For sure.

[C]

Rightfully so.

[A]

For sure.

[C]

That makes sense. Her having a child at a younger age impacted her a lot. When you go through things at a certain point in time in your life, your mind, like, gets stuck there. And you're stuck at being 19 years old. Eight years old. Which. No Tino. Shade. That's why we have a lot of Disney adults. No, Shade. You went through a traumatic event and your mind isn't really moving forward at the pace of. That was when I was a kid. Disney is for children. Let me move on. And I think that's kind of what happened with her. She had a child at 19. She stuck there.

[A]

Which makes sense because all of her rationale is like, baby, what are you talking about? What are you even doing? What are you saying? None of it made any sense until you realize that she's acting like a teenager.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

For sure. She has that strict upbringing where she couldn't do shit.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

And she was a teenager.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If my Teenage daughter acted the way she acted, I wouldn't really be shocked. I would be like, sister girl, you gotta calm down. But I get where you coming from. Cause I was a teenager. Everyone was a teenager.

[B]

It's so dramatic.

[C]

Every little thing is so dramatic.

[B]

It's just like, please.

[C]

I remember one time. Story time.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

One time. It was my 17th birthday. I have a half brother. My half brother brought a car to my house, dropped it off. It was for his mother. Me being a teenager, I come home, I see a car in the driveway. I'm assuming, oh, my God, my parents got me a car. I call my parents on the phone because they're not at home. I say, oh, my God, you guys got me a car. My dad says, oh, no, your brother dropped that off for his mom. I hung up that phone so goddamn quick and said, do not ever talk to me again. Do not ever speak to me ever again in your entire life.

[A]

Don't play with me like that.

[C]

Cause don't do that. Don't do that.

[B]

I'm fucking crying.

[C]

Do not do that to me. And I told my brother, I help you run in hell.

[A]

Let that be your last for what you did.

[C]

Do not ever do that to me.

[B]

I'm crying. I'm sitting here trying to think of something I did. Dramatic at 7. I'm not 17, but I absolutely did kick. Try to kick my cousins out of one. Out of a birthday party.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Because. And I packed their bags. It was literally over. Cheetah Girls, High School Musical. It was over. Like, no one wanted to watch High School Musical 2 or some. It might have been Cheetah Girls. They didn't want to watch Two Girls or that's a Raven. They wanted to watch something different. And I said, get out.

[C]

Then you could leave.

[B]

Get out.

[A]

That's unacceptable. I literally.

[B]

I literally got outvoted at my sleepover. It was like, if you want to watch Cheetah Girls, raise your hand. Just me, everyone, if you want to watch whatever else. For other. Okay, but no shade.

[C]

Cheetah Girls was tea.

[A]

Like, that's why.

[B]

I don't care.

[C]

What.

[B]

It doesn't matter. My critiques of Raven Simone. Now, that's mother. And you need to know that was my. That was my queen. I said, no, shade. Get the fuck out of my house. So I. This is how crazy I was. I didn't even fucking say anything to them. I said, oh, I got your number. I went right into my room and started packing their bags, brought them out, set them by the door. They're like, Mecca, what are you doing? I said, actually, everyone has to leave. Yeah, because I want to watch two girls tonight and it's my birthday. My mom was so pissed.

[A]

Did they leave or.

[B]

No, they didn't leave.

[A]

It was like 11 o' clock at night. Trying to kick them bitches out at night is crazy. Like, girls like, are you crazy?

[B]

Come over here. First of all, you packed their bags. Don't touch their stuff.

[A]

Now you're in trouble. Now you're in trouble at your birthday because you want to do too goddamn much.

[B]

Y' all should have wanted to watch Raven. Wanted to watch some fuck ass Santa Montana. That's probably what it was because.

[C]

Okay, but don't do it.

[B]

Let me tell you something. I love Miley. It's the climb. But when Miley.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

It's the climb.

[B]

You remember that point in which Raven was kind of transitioning out and Miley was transitioning in. It was this sense amongst the black girls that it was a choose up. And if we choose up, I'm a ride with my diva Raven. That's just me. So that's what was happening at my birthday party. The girls were getting into Miley because Miley was the new hot thing. Hannah Montana was a new hot thing. We can love both.

[C]

Exactly. Two things can be honorable at once.

[B]

But at my birthday party.

[C]

It's your birthday party.

[B]

It's my birthday party.

[A]

Dictatorship.

[B]

Yeah, it was a dictatorship. And we could snatch the wig off after we watched Cheetah Girls.

[C]

I'm with you. You right, you know well. Cause no shade. It's my birthday party. That's what I want to do.

[A]

But you know where you messed up. You gave them bitches a choice.

[B]

And I learned a lesson.

[A]

And I never give people choices. At my birthday, as a matter of fact, my 16th birthday, I made everybody come to my house and I created a playlist. Matter of fact, not even was a playlist. Let me take you back, baby. I burnt a cd.

[C]

Girl, you aging yourself, honey.

[B]

Girl, I got two girls, child. They already know what they age.

[A]

Baby, I burnt that cd. When I tell you I had Tupac on that bitch. I had all type of. I had Boys to men. I'll make love to you on that motherfucker.

[C]

Jamila.

[A]

Those are just my favorite songs at the time.

[B]

Wait, you said your 16th birthday. Mm. Whole time they just wanted to listen to Party in the usa.

[C]

Thank you. Party in the USA and the bitches.

[A]

Listen to boys to men. I'll make love to you. Thank you.

[C]

They wanted to hear Demi Lovato.

[A]

No, they was listening to it. Did you see?

[B]

Did you see how the Converse are coming back?

[A]

Who says I'm not?

[C]

I can't wear my Converse. Y' all could try to make them come back. They not coming back.

[B]

Can I tell you? Can I tell you?

[A]

You want a pair?

[B]

Huh? I wanted a pair. My mama wouldn't let me.

[A]

You want one now?

[B]

I might get them since they back, but let me tell you. No, no, let me tell. It's for the little girl. I mean, you just said hooda in sociology. It's for. I have trauma.

[C]

You trying to play in eighth grade.

[A]

Don't give up.

[B]

No, listen, at my eighth grade graduation when she dropped that song, it was the same year. And if you remember in that music video, she had on a puffy little dress and she had on them high top. Converse.

[C]

Yes, it's the album cover.

[B]

Exactly. And that was what all the girls were doing.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I tried to hit that. My old church mother said, oh, you lost your goddamn mind. I said, I'm gonna wear me a little dress. A little Converse.

[A]

Y' all could wear dresses in Converse in church. The hell church you went to?

[B]

No, in the church.

[A]

You can't wear no Converse in the church.

[B]

Sneaker in a. Okay. We had church shoes. We had a sanctity.

[A]

You was Pentecostal?

[B]

Yeah. This is a Kojic. Oh, yeah. Missionary Baptist.

[A]

I went to a regular. Well, missionary Baptist ain't always cogic.

[B]

No, I mean, like, in terms of dressing, at least the churches I went to, we had church clothes. Now, I don't know anything.

[A]

We went to church clothes, but I. They wouldn't not let me go to church with a Converse.

[B]

But I'm talking about my parents.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. So they wouldn't let you wear a Converse. They said, oh, no. Put you on some pantyhose and a boot.

[B]

I mean, yeah. No, I didn't wear jeans to church until I was, like, in high school. Until my mom was literally, like. I literally was like, nah. Wearing that.

[A]

And I was like, being emo. I'm not going to church.

[B]

And she was like, just wear it. She was tired. But when I was a kid, we had designated nice clothes for church.

[C]

Same Z's. My granddad was a pastor. He had. Well, he had a Baptist church in Houston. They were not with the games and the bullshit. Yeah, don't come in here with a hat. Don't come in here with no jeans. Don't come in here with your clothes wrinkled or out.

[A]

Yeah, no shade.

[C]

We're gonna ask you to go. Which is very unchristian. Like, no shade.

[A]

But honestly, that's how my aunt's church was. She was Pentecostal. Whenever we would go to her church, we were not allowed to wear anything but skirts. But at our regular church, we could also. My dad's.

[B]

It wasn't not no skirts, though. You could wear slacks or, like, a nice dress.

[A]

I think my dad being alternative hipster sister hippie.

[C]

Puts a lot into it.

[A]

We could kind of do whatever we want. He was. I don't even know if he's fully Christian, to be honest.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He just.

[B]

When I be like, mom, God said, come as you are and give him our best and blase, blase. And she was like, yes, God says, come as you are.

[A]

But I didn't.

[B]

But. And if. And if that's their best genes, that's their best. But my us or my children jeans is not tripping. I said, she kind of chewed me.

[A]

She chewed me the ass.

[B]

She said, jeans is not your best.

[A]

You know, you could do better, so you will.

[B]

I said, sorry, you kind of ate that a little bit. Me, I can't speak for anyone else, like, obviously, but my best is obviously not jeans.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I've just carried that with me.

[C]

She chewed that one.

[B]

She did. Can't argue with that. Hate that for us.

[A]

Let's get into the Internet, darling.

[C]

Let's get into it.

[A]

As a child of the Internet, you are.

[C]

I am.

[A]

How do you feel like it's been maneuvering through the Internet, specifically with other creators? There's lots of conversation about. Of course we've been in conversations about, quote, unquote, Super 5 this, Super 5 that. And I think we have a pretty cool experience with developing relationships with other creators. But I know there's also a flip side. So I wanted to get your perspective on industry friends.

[B]

No friends in the industry.

[C]

You know, hold on, let me take a sip.

[B]

Prosecco break.

[C]

What I think is this. I think it's very interesting how the Internet notoriety can make people think you still not the same bitch. No shade. Bitch. I knew you when you was doing this and doing that and when you were here and doing that. And now that you got you a little bit of notoriety, now that people know your name, now you got your degree and you think you know everything, honey. You really think that you done up, mama. No shade. You not done up, mama. I know you behind the scenes, sister. Behind the scenes, sister. I know you, sister. So dunnit.

[B]

Mama is crazy. It's kind of confusing.

[C]

It's Just kind of confusing to me. Like I can't get with. Which is why I'm very happy. Like, we're all very alike in this sense. What you see online is what you're gonna get in the flesh. It ain't no different. It's just me putting it out there to the world, other people, it's, oh, well, I have to do this. I have to act this way. I have to put on this facade. When in reality, girl, you're not even like that for real. No shade. You're actually really a nasty, evil bitch. And we. We know exactly who I'm talking about.

[B]

Don't, don't, don't.

[C]

We know exactly who I'm talking about. Nasty, evil, conniving, dirty, filthy.

[A]

Oh, just like that.

[C]

Just like that. In that order.

[A]

In that order. B, I, C, T, H.

[C]

In that order, honey.

[A]

Oh, that was a lot. That was a word, though.

[C]

That was a word.

[B]

So let me ask you this. Since you've come across people who. It's like, you don't. Like, you see them acting different when you come across people, I guess, like using our friendship as an example, the contrast, like, like, not how does it make you feel, but what are your thoughts? Because I feel like when you meet too many of like the bitchy people first, that really skews how you look at the industry versus, for at least me. I have been fortunate that I've met enough of people like us first that when I run into bitchy folks, I'm like, oh, girl.

[C]

I think it's kind of like a give and a take.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, you can meet somebody, kind of figure out how you feel about them first and then move forward. Like, if you could, you could. I feel like if you have discernment, which we do, you can kind of tell something about this bitch off. As opposed to. With our friendship, it was very genuine. It was very like, girl, we just here, we. We all here in the same place at the same time. We all having a good time.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Either get with a good time or don't get with a good time. Got with a good time. Had a good time. Right. As opposed to other times. There's been instances where I'll be in these spaces and people will be like, oh, like, I remember one time this boy asked me who at the time did have a big following. He was like, oh, well, how many followers do you have, mind you, what happened to, hi, hello, my name is. What happened to that? And I said, oh, I don't know, let me check. He said, you don't know. I said, no, baby, no, baby. I would have to check right now. I don't really know. It moves. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down. I really don't. So then he said, oh, okay, and turned around and walked away.

[A]

That's not strange.

[C]

Not what I did. What I did to you. No. See, no say I didn't even do nothing.

[B]

And I peep that you say he used to have a lot of followers. That was real intentional.

[C]

It was.

[B]

That's that law wrote Shade that we just saw the other day. That. That awful, masterful Shade.

[A]

He used to have a lot of followers.

[B]

Now, Priscilla, let me tell you the story.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Huh. Gay with Kim. So how do you feel? Or I guess I should say, do you feel like you. You maneuver through this world a little bit differently now, having so many eyes on you, being a little bit more exposed and seen and noticed? Do you feel like it changes the way you show up to different spaces? Maybe even through dating?

[C]

Honestly, no. Which could be a fault of my own. I do think with people knowing. With a vast majority of people knowing you, like a lot of people knowing you, you kind of probably should move a little bit differently. But I don't. Because this, for me, was never what I planned on. It's just a small facet of my life. It's not the end all be all. It's not like, oh, I wanted this, so I went after it and I got it. So now let me do this. It's just what happened. It just so happened that I talked, ran my mouth, recorded it, and people loved it. Okay. That is what it is. I'm still doing whatever it is I was gonna do either way, so it hasn't, but it probably should because I do still come out the house looking a mess. And sometimes they clock me, sometimes they don't. Honey?

[A]

Yeah?

[B]

Do you go out with boys in public? Is that something you've been clocked out?

[C]

No, but that's because I haven't been dating like that. For real. The boys are behind the scenes. Yeah. We don't have them on the front street. We have them behind the scenes.

[A]

Yes. Late night tip, late night teas, red light special.

[C]

Who knows? Maybe I'll give you.

[B]

Would you ever do a hard launch? Are you that type of person?

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, so you're a poster. I'm a poster. I love people like you because. Tell me your business.

[C]

I'm a poster. Boost. Cause if you know him, let me know.

[A]

Hello. Since we all.

[C]

Since we're all here, we're all gathering.

[B]

At the table does anybody know my nigga?

[C]

Do you know him or do you not? That's how I lost. Last one. Should have learned my lesson. Should have learned my lesson then.

[B]

It took only one time for that to happen to me. I said, and y' all will never get the chance. You bitches will never get the chance to DM me on a woman. Come to me as a woman again.

[C]

I'mma give him the chance again. But, hey, it is what it is. And it was what it was.

[A]

I'm only a poster if we're, like, actually together.

[C]

Oh, yeah, we.

[A]

And I do mean together. And really, for a minute, like, let me just make sure the water get warm first. Let me, let me, let me let.

[B]

That water warm up my husband. I really. I love the way Issa Rae, like, maneuvers.

[C]

I genuinely never knew that lady was married.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

She posted her wedding.

[B]

That was the only time I've ever. I've seen him, like, a handful of times. Her and Dolly Parton. I just feel like people should know you're married, but it shouldn't be, like, the main part, like, you're coming here for me. It's just a fact about me. I am married.

[C]

Exactly. That's how I feel about being an influencer.

[B]

Yeah. It's just a fact.

[C]

This is just a part of who you are.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's the same way with every other job. No, Shade.

[B]

Like, talk to them.

[C]

Being a banker, people don't walk around and say, you're the banker, you're the banker, you're the banker, you're just a banker.

[B]

Lame. Why do you care so much about your job? That's your whole identity. There's nothing outside of your followers. You're also a child of God.

[C]

The answer is no. They don't have anything outside of that. All they have is the following. That's why so many people pride themselves on being an influencer. No, Shade, because this literally is your end. All be all. As opposed to looking at it as. I do have a lot of followers. It's my job, it's what I do. But I'm also empathetic. I'm giving. I'm a mother, I'm a father, I'm a brother, I'm a son. Like, there's so many checks, it's so many facets to your life that it's just kind of mind boggling that this is the thing that you're like, oh, Well, I have 800,000 followers, girl. No, Shade, we don't give a Damn.

[A]

Yeah. And I think especially now, no Shade. A lot of people do. And it's like it's not as unique as it once was. 10, 15 years ago, where there was a handful of influencers, there's a lot of people that are influencers. And it's relatively easy to become an influencer as we see it happening so much more, especially with an algorithm such as Tick Tock. Even though it's kind of weird now, but that that algorithm really allowed for so many people to get it. So it's like, well, what's next?

[C]

Exactly. And no tea.

[B]

No Shade.

[C]

I don't even consider myself an influencer. No Shade. I mean, can I have influence? Maybe, probably for some people.

[A]

So what do you think yourself?

[C]

I'm just a bitch with an iPhone that run their mouth. No Shade.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And that's something I can get behind. Kissing.

[C]

I influence certain people maybe. Probably, yeah. But my goal, when I'm posting what I post, my goal is not to influence you to watch something or do something or say feel a certain kind of way. It's just this is how I feel. If you resonate, you resonate Influencers.

[A]

I was gonna say, but that translates so much better because it's so natural and it's not. You're not force feeding things down people's throat. And I think the old tale of the influence that gets up here to sell us as if you. If it's qvc every single day is honestly just dying out. It's stale, it's cold, it's. We're over it. Like, people like content. That feels natural. They like funny. They like people who are raw and uncut saying the that they would never say. That's why they with us. And that's why they with you.

[C]

And that's why no t. No Shade. Not to too my own horn. That's why the brand deals that I do. They give me a nasty coin. No, Shade. They give me a nasty coin. But that's because I'm not gonna do it if I genuinely don't believe it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So yeah, you're gonna have to pay me a nasty coin because I had to turn down this, that and the third. I'm not gonna sit up here and promote bullshit and be like, oh, well, go get this, go do this, go do that. When genuinely I don't like it. So to make up for that, I actually do like it. So I'm gonna.

[A]

Yeah, raise it up.

[C]

Raise it up. No Shade.

[A]

Yes. No Shade. Speaking of the business.

[B]

Thank you. Cause I was about to be like.

[A]

The business side of things.

[B]

Well, well, well.

[A]

This influencer space is really nasty, actually.

[C]

It's a nasty thing.

[A]

When you peel that cap back, it's a mess. How do you. How did you learn the business of influencing? Because that business side is something that a lot of us really don't talk about a lot. Which we should.

[C]

We really should. Yeah, because it's important. And I feel like, you know, with every other job, it's kind of set up for you. We're gonna hire you, you're gonna get your paycheck. Every two weeks, you have a 401k, your taxes are taken out. This, that, and the third. When it comes to influencing, honey, they're not taking out the taxes.

[A]

Hello.

[C]

You don't have no 401k.

[B]

36.

[A]

You don't.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Why am I punishing? Why am I being punished for not letting a child crack me open?

[C]

What did that just mean? What did that just mean to me?

[B]

You said taxes. My just. I just had to attack situation. Like, what does that mean, though?

[C]

Oh, cuz you don't have a kid. When you get a kid, you get more tax.

[A]

That threw me something.

[B]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Like, I just am going, why do.

[A]

You now crack me off, Chocolate? Who crack now?

[B]

Who cracks who when you. I was liking cracked, but not in that way. I'm getting cracked by Uncle Sam right now.

[C]

Hello. Hello.

[A]

The way we both sit now, hold.

[C]

On, wait, hold on. Let me ref.

[B]

I just.

[C]

Okay. Because when you're like in this space, they don't have all of that set up for you. You have to do it yourself.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Thank God for my manager. Shout out my manager, Sharon. Love you down Kadooms. She saving Grace. And my attorney, Audrey. Thank you. Those. Those two people literally like got it for me. And that helped me tremendously. Without my manager, wouldn't have the brand deals, wouldn't have as much going on as I do. Like the money that I have coming in, I wouldn't have it if it wasn't for her. So that I think plays a huge role and I think just kind of real. Because I think when you get in this space, a lot of people don't expect it to happen. It just happens.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So you kind of have to take a second and realize, oh shit, this is what's going on.

[A]

So figure it out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And quickly.

[C]

You got to figure it out quickly. You have to save money for your taxes. You have to make sure you have a savings because no tea, no shade. It's not gonna last forever.

[A]

And it's not always consistent.

[C]

It's not always consistent.

[A]

It's actually never is.

[B]

It's never.

[C]

It's a different amount every month.

[A]

Every single month. There's nothing. It's so hard to anticipate. Like it's, it's such a weak, weird space. This is like, okay, like this is a really good month. But I know next month could literally be nothing. And that's like a real true.

[B]

That's a real thing.

[A]

Honest possibility with influencing that I think people are so like not aware of. And it's like, yeah, I want it, but do you do no.

[C]

Shade. Cause I'll be transparent with no Tina Shade. Back in. During the summer, I think it was July, I made $50,000 for the month. That is a shit ton of money. Come last month, I think I made like 10, which is still good for the month. Like it's really great. But that's a drastic change. So if you're not really budgeting and like making sure you're staying on top of these things, you could have spent the $50,000.

[A]

Cause they get so excited. I never had this money for which.

[C]

I get, which I get totally, totally get it. Hello. That's life changing money. No Shade.

[B]

Listen, we've had to be transparent with each other. I mean, I've had to be transparent. Like, listen, I, I want to come to Atlanta. I want to do this. But comparatively, this month was good. This month wasn't. This month was great. This month for the next two months was ass. So trying to do everything and budget accordingly so that you're not on your dick. Yeah, I'm not broke down on my dick since y' all are. So act. Like when I said that before, you didn't understand what I'm saying. So I'm not broke. It is something that you got, especially if you're working with people. You know, you just have to be honest about it. And everyone's so prideful about money. And it's just. It is. I do see it getting to the point and we talked about this when you were in Houston last weekend. I see you acting, I see you doing all these things. There is going to be a point where money is not going to be a thing. But that's not necessarily. Right now.

[C]

It's not.

[B]

You know, right now you do need to.

[C]

But I also feel like at the same time, money isn't always going to be a thing. But unfortunately it should always be a thing. Like no matter how much money you're making you could blow through it in a day. If you aren't spending it the right way, if you aren't investing it the right way, if you aren't doing certain kind of things.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I just kind of feel like you gotta make sure you're good first. Before the image, before the appearance. Before buying a Birkin bag. Exactly.

[A]

Get you a good, reliable little car.

[C]

Because no T. No shade. I went to. When I was in Houston, I went to the RealReal. I was going to buy a Birkin. I asked the lady, I said, how much is it? She said, It's $22,000.

[A]

Okay. I said, honey, thank you very much.

[C]

Thank you so much.

[A]

You have a great day.

[C]

$22,000 for a Birkin bag?

[B]

That sounds. That's regular for a Birkin, though.

[C]

It is. No, it's totally regular for a Birkin. It's not for me right now, however.

[B]

Take your ass to coach. Cause coach got some cute shit, though.

[A]

Wait, hold on. Not too much Gucci. Maybe Louis, perhaps.

[B]

Okay. What about Marc Jacobs?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I have.

[A]

I have a couple.

[B]

I used to work in Nordstrom Accessories, so. I know. I know. The bags I love well, I have the Marc Jacobs Chanel Dupes, because that's honestly what everyone does. Do the little Chanelis. But it's cute.

[C]

I'm on the wave. Nosy. No shade. Not to sound a little classes.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

I'm on the Fendi baguette. I want to collect Fendi baguette bags. I want them. I love them. I think they're so cute. They're just tiny little.

[B]

They're just so cute. Little bags.

[C]

I love them.

[A]

I mean, as you should.

[B]

I have a fake Fendi sweater, period. I haven't worn it yet, though.

[C]

Wear a girl. If it don't look too fake, don't wear it.

[B]

You said what?

[C]

Don't wear if it looks too fake.

[A]

I was gonna say, is it the type of fake where it has the Fs or it's like a fake F. Like the Connecticut.

[B]

It has the S. Okay. I would want it to. I would want to run it because I got it for my aunt.

[A]

Love you.

[B]

I got it for my aunt. So I don't know how I would want to talk to someone who wears Fendi.

[A]

Well, you've already told us now, so you might as well just wear it.

[B]

Well, I would want to. Okay, maybe I'll wear it. Everyone will be like, that's the sweater.

[A]

Yeah, just wear it in one episode and not mention it.

[B]

Let's be like, yeah, they going to.

[A]

Be like that sweater girl.

[B]

Ms. Netta, where'd you get that from?

[C]

I really don't.

[B]

I don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't wear Fendi. So I don't know if it's like a. Is this overly fake with the girl?

[C]

Send me a picture.

[B]

I'll let you.

[A]

I'm crying. Yeah, I mean, you know what's crazy about coming into money? Well, I will say was coming. Coming into money while previously being broke. It is a kind of traumatic experience.

[C]

Honestly. No shade.

[A]

I'm very anxious.

[C]

It's like jolting almost. Because. Let me tell the story. The whole. I don't want to say the reason, but how me getting a big following came into fruition is that I had a job. I worked. I had a full nine to five.

[A]

Hello.

[C]

I got laid off. And then my friends kept telling me, you should just make tiktoks. Make tiktoks. Make tiktoks. I said, okay, girl. Well, I ain't got nothing else to do, honey. I did it. It popped off. And so I said, oh, well, I'm actually making money. There's no point in me looking for a job now. I might as well just continue on with this. So I went from being laid off, not getting any money for what, nine months to now. Oh, you're getting $10,000 a month, $20,000 a month, $50,000 a month. Hold on, bitch. Wait, let me figure out what's going on here. Cause I don't know. Is it stocks? Is it bonds, is it investments? Is it savings? Do I spend the money? What do I do? Because I don't know, my parents never made that kind of money. $50,000 a month. That's a lot of money.

[A]

Yeah, that's somebody's yearly salary.

[C]

Literally, that was my yearly salary. I was making $45,000 a year. And to go from that to now making 50 grand in a month, it's really jarring.

[A]

And it's like I be feeling so, like, on edge, like, at all times. I'm so on edge because it's like in my mind, I'm waiting on despair. Yeah, I'm waiting on it to all stop. Because it's like I just have been so used to penny pension and getting it out the mud and this whole whatever fucking story. And now being able to have, like, a consistent lucrative income, even though what's crazy is, like, even though I am pulling in way more money than I ever have in my entire life, it's still very conservative. Yeah, Like, I should and could be making three, four, or five times what I'm making now, which is honestly conversation. Right? Yeah. And it's crazy to even think that. It's like, wow. It's like I'm just grateful for my little coins right now, my little quarters.

[C]

I'm grateful. I think.

[A]

And I shouldn't be.

[C]

No, you shouldn't. And I think that's the issue with black people, is that they know we was broke. Exactly.

[A]

They said before, give her two nickels, she. She'll figure that. She can figure.

[C]

And that's not how it should be.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Y' all deserve much more than what you're getting for a fact. I know that because I know what I'm getting. I know what other people are getting.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And y' all do ten times more work than I do myself. So it's no way I'm getting paid 10 times more for you doing 10 times more. That makes no sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a doggy dog world.

[C]

Doggy dog world.

[A]

I feel it's very scary.

[B]

Before we turn into the spin it, I have to ask you this, housewives, what's your favorite franchise?

[C]

Salt Lake City.

[B]

Yeah. You look inbred.

[C]

You look in Brad. Do you know that? She don't even know she looking Brad.

[B]

You really think I look inbred?

[C]

I do.

[B]

It smells like hospital. Mary Cosby.

[C]

I love Mary. Do you know Mary Cosby is the reason for the show?

[B]

That makes sense. It's always a black woman at the helm.

[A]

I need to get back Andy.

[B]

One thing Andy knows how to do, Find a queen who's gonna put the.

[C]

Cast together right on.

[B]

Mind you, Mary's not even Mormon.

[C]

She's not.

[B]

She just knows them.

[A]

She was punacasa, ain't she? Yeah.

[B]

That's why she was in that photo shooting that dress. I said, that's a safe sanctified.

[A]

And at the wig, they used to kind of fold over in a certain way.

[C]

She got her wigs together now.

[A]

She got them together now.

[B]

Just like Ms. Karen, you know, it just takes a season.

[A]

Baby Karen wig was in a ponytail in that back.

[C]

Okay. Now just.

[A]

Just hanging on the hook of that head.

[B]

Okay. Salt Lake City. Let me ask you, who's your favorite.

[C]

Housewife Lisa of all time?

[A]

Of all time. I wanna know.

[C]

Nene Leakes.

[A]

True.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Nene Leakes of all time.

[B]

But Lisa Barlow on Salt Lake City.

[C]

Lisa Barlow of Salt Lake City.

[B]

That's crazy.

[C]

You know, it's because she's so out of touch that it like that is peak Housewives material.

[A]

You love a ditzy queen.

[C]

I love it.

[A]

She's why I love Portia and will always thank you.

[C]

It's like I will never forget when her and what's her name got into it when she lost her $60,000 ring.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[C]

I said monica. Yes, they got into it. And Monica said, lisa, middle class people don't have $60,000 rings. And Lisa said, yes, they do. Yes, they do. Yes, they do.

[B]

Yes, they do.

[C]

Yes, they do. Yes, they do. I know plenty of middle class people who have $60,000 rings.

[B]

Lisa, Lisa. Just talking. I don't even know middle class people.

[C]

They don't, baby. That's not a normal thing.

[B]

Okay, so if Nene leaks are your favorite housewife of who all time. How did you feel about this last season of Atlanta?

[C]

I hated it.

[A]

You didn't like it?

[C]

I didn't. I think since Nene left, it's been on a slow decline.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

Season by season by season by season. I'm hoping the next season K Michelle, she's coming.

[B]

I'm really, really excited for K. Michelle. I have to tell you, I've been a Kimberly stand for years. I love the way she stays on next And I've also loved seeing kind of her elevation.

[C]

Same from.

[B]

But the thing is, she was never a bum anyway. Like she. No, she was a delta from family. She was always like she was K. Michelle. Like it's not like. But she was on love and hip hop.

[A]

I'm very interested to see her dynamic.

[B]

Like icky from slutty vegan on the new house.

[A]

Yeah. When. And what's crazy is this is a little tea that was in the works for a while.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I don't know if I can give this to you. I'll give this off camera. But just know the Atlanta housewives has been going through it on the behind scenes on the production. Grab them ladies.

[C]

I know.

[A]

And it's showing.

[C]

It's very showing.

[A]

Yeah. But when they said when they announced k. Michelle, I was taken aback. Not even because of the love hip hop. I don't really care about that shit. I just genuinely did not know how she would mesh with the ladies at all.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

And I was like, I wonder if she's gonna immediately be an outcast. Like I wanted to know how it's gonna be. So I'm very intrigued. I can't wait.

[C]

I think that's the problem with me for Atlanta. Ever since Nene left, it's kinda like we just kind of throwing some girls together. We're not getting girls who have a real genuine. I do. I do like Shamia. I think her position within this friend.

[A]

Group, they tried to make her the anchor. And I don't think that made sense at the time. That doesn't make sense to me. But I love Shamia.

[C]

I do. I love Shamia.

[B]

I really liked Angela. I loved Angela Oakley as an addition.

[C]

At first I didn't.

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

She was a key. The thing is, the reason I like Angela is because she gives old school housewife, like from back in the day. But then she said they've been trying to get her since then. So it's like they've been trying to get her for a while. I'm like, that makes sense because you seem like you're from that era. So I really. I like her and her fans. I like her in the way she just will do the Giselle and just throw some mess out there.

[A]

I'm saying she's real messy.

[B]

Why did you do that?

[A]

And kind of doesn't care about being messy. And that's what you need. I need a fearless girl who's just like, I'm just here.

[C]

There are pivotal roles when it comes to housewives. You need someone who's a little ditzy. They don't think before they talk. They just kind of say things. This is 265 days a year.

[A]

Mm. Where the hell that bitch live at? You need the queen.

[C]

You need the queen.

[B]

Hello.

[C]

You need, like, the anchor who's gonna kinda like get everybody together.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

You need the one who's kind of like, you always end something. Maybe that's always in something.

[B]

Atlanta doesn't have a queen right now. They tried to make Porsche for the queen and it didn't work.

[C]

Yeah, it didn't work.

[A]

And then they tried to make Shamia, and it's like Shamia has been a friend of the show for a while, but not an actual cast member. How are you gonna throw her in.

[C]

And make her the anchor, by the way? Made no sense. I feel like Shamia should have been a housewife years ago and then it would have made sense.

[A]

Yes, for sure.

[C]

She had the money, she had the husband, she had everything going on. What's the point of making her feel.

[A]

Who would you put. Just knowing the people who live in Atlanta, who would be your pick to throw into the Housewives? I have a pick that I've said for years, but I don't think it would ever actually go well. Can I say mine?

[B]

Say yours.

[C]

Yeah, say it.

[A]

Lisa Ray McCoy.

[B]

Yes. Because she would actually cuss everyone out. She.

[A]

Did you watch her reality TV show. She is a personality that is going to make for great. She's so mean but so strict. But she just has a mouth. And she can also dip and dab. I think she'll be great. But specifically, I need her and Kenya on the same season.

[C]

Kenya got to come back.

[A]

She has to come back. I fear that. Crazy.

[B]

They're obviously bringing her back.

[C]

They're going to bring her back. She got to come back.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't have someone who I could pick for Atlanta because I can't put my finger on who actually lives here.

[B]

No shade.

[C]

Now. Beverly Hills.

[B]

You watch Beverly Hills?

[C]

I absolutely do.

[B]

I've been trying. I'm trying to get Jameela to watch Beverly Hills. I'm not gonna hold y'. All. I love the white franchises. I love a look into, like, how white people argue.

[C]

I love it because it's so. And here's what I appreciate. And it's no tea and it's no shade. I love unapologetic white. Rich white.

[B]

Just be that Kathy Hilton.

[A]

Don't try to be nothing else.

[C]

Don't try to be nothing else.

[B]

Just be Richard Sisters.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

I'm sorry. They're. And have you read their book? Have you know about Big Kathy and all that type of they.

[C]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

We have to talk off camera because that. That's like my Roman Empire. Like, I'm fascinated with them.

[C]

No, I love them. And I will say this. Who I would add to Beverly Hills. Let's add Kamora Lee. Oh, let's add Lisa Rinna. I want her back.

[B]

I want her back.

[C]

I want her back. And let's add O. What is her name? The lady who was on Desperate Housewives?

[B]

The red hair.

[C]

No. I'm going to Google it. It's okay.

[B]

Ev Longoria. Nicholas Sheridan.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Big titties blind.

[C]

Big titties blind.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Big titty blind.

[B]

I think it's Nicholet Sheridan, if that. I'm thinking again.

[C]

Her name's correct. I'm gonna Google.

[A]

I think that's. Yeah.

[B]

I feel like Lisa Runner has to come back. Anyone who would spread their puss at. At Andy's baby shower.

[A]

Baby. That thing opened up. Pow.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

She deserves.

[B]

My God. Have you watched.

[C]

And it is Nicolette Sheridan.

[B]

Thank you. I know. My white woman. Yes. Have you watched Potomac before we finish?

[C]

Yeah, girl. They taking me out of Downfall again.

[B]

It's so.

[A]

There's. There needs to be. I. Andy Cohen. Listen to me. You need to call me when it comes to picking a group of messy ass ladies. That I can do for you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm a really good judge of character. I know what will make people tick. I'm really good at this. I have predicted every falling out that has ever happened in my life. Just off the strength of knowing bitches.

[B]

And Andy, why did you bring Tamara back to oc? She just forever pisses me off, child.

[C]

Oh my God. All that yelling and talking about some.

[B]

I'm therapist so wish washy. It's too much.

[C]

You, you, you, you. And then to turn around when her husband said she said that was really classless. I'm sorry, didn't you just do the same thing? No, Shade, you literally said you, you, you, and then got upset because he.

[B]

Went, it's just so much. And I'm a Shannon Badoor apologist.

[C]

Same.

[B]

She be drunk.

[C]

She makes good tv.

[B]

She just.

[C]

Ugh.

[B]

We gotta talk off off about all the housewives, please.

[A]

Cuz y' all getting into the places. I. I don't know, but. All right, we're gonna take you into a segment. This is actually really exciting. You're our first guest to actually do a spinning with us, so this is very exciting.

[B]

Yes, they were testing us out. They said y' all need to have the guest with the spins as well.

[A]

Okay, let's do welcome.

[B]

So let me introduce it. This is our segment, Spin it where we take y' all nasty, low down gutter snipe situations and give them a little bit of advice, but more of a PR spin. Now keep in mind, Jamil and I are not PR professionals. We just study communications in undergrad grad. Don't forget to send us your situations to nhing anymore. Pod gmail.com include your race, your gender, your age, political affiliations, and for the boys, your height. Okay, Jamila, what do we have?

[A]

All right. Hey, Mecca and Jamila. I first off. I first start off. Okay, baby, let me tell y'. All. Proofread these. Now, he misses some words, but I'll fill it in for you. I first want to start off by saying I love the podcast. And when I listen to each episode, I feel like I'm chatting with my chill big cousins.

[B]

There it is.

[C]

That was the goal.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Secondly, I want to thank the other high school girl featured in Spin It Back in January. Knowing I'm not the only youngin listening to y' all gave me confidence in sending my story in y' all little young asses. All right, come on, Said, you old haggard. All right. She broke it down by context and the dilemma.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Period. Okay, here's the context. Okay, here's the scoop. I'm currently in my senior year of high school. I'm a bisexual male, by the way. And for most of my school life, I've never been in a relationship. And really, up until seventh grade, I felt overly insecure of myself and would regularly cry myself to sleep, wondering if I'd ever get the chance to experience a real relationship. I dug myself out of that pit with the idea of, if you don't even love yourself, why would anyone try to love you? Come on, RuPaul.

[C]

I mean, that's true.

[A]

Hello. After I gave up looking for my teen love story, hopped in the rat race of looking for lust instead.

[C]

That happens to the best of us, baby. It's okay.

[A]

All right. I used to regularly go on LGBT dating sites. Baby, you was in high school. Let me finish.

[C]

Okay, well, girl, hold on.

[B]

Let's not go there.

[A]

We gonna get into that in a second. Okay? In Search of Lust with Older People. Uh oh. I totally get that's trifling, but sadly, that's a very common story for gay teens.

[B]

So I've heard.

[A]

Yes. Let's get into the dilemma. Up until now, I've never prioritized looking for relationship. And I thought for senior year I should try, since this will be my last year, to give high school a love. High school love a try. So I stopped talking to older men and I started using Wiz, which is a way more teen centered social app, and started talking to this boy and we started sneaky started and we started as sneaky Links. But we've talked outside and just tried to get a quick fix and go. That was a cute little, like. I like that. A quick fix and go. I'm feeling that. A little fix and go. Yeah, A little bumper curl. Okay, period. He doesn't go to the same school as me. We're both the same age. He's really cute. He thinks I'm cute as well. But he's DL, which I know the stigma that DL men have, but he doesn't treat me like dog shit. And I think we really like each other. But every time he gets. He gets into it with his mama and he gets ready to take his phone, she gets ready to take his phone away. He will literally block me on everything. So she doesn't know about us. And he goes radio silent for around half a week. About a week and a half. Should I try to thug it out and see if we can try and make Something work or should I start looking for the next thing? If you have any better ideas, please put a sister on game and spinach.

[C]

I have a lot of better ideas, baby.

[A]

Oh, you young thing.

[B]

So keep in mind these are high schoolers.

[A]

These are high schoolers. This is a high school.

[C]

Y' all gonna like my advice.

[A]

Well, go ahead and go first. You go for it first and give it.

[C]

You should thug it out, sister. The reason why he's blocking you is clear. It's been made clear. Cause his mama got that phone and he's on the DL. He don't want his mama to know he messing with you. It's nothing against you. You said you be with the man in public, so it's nothing against you. It's just that he don't want his mama to know. Thug it out. When the time comes, mama will know. No blockies. Like, it's very simple to me, period.

[A]

I was gonna say honestly. And because you're in high school now, this is. I just feel like being DL in high school is acceptable. There's age limits to dlness. So it's like that makes sense. But for a high schooler to be DL now, once you get into them 20 year old, 30 year old pieces, baby, it's no longer.

[B]

I'm so happy you done found someone your age. That's what I.

[C]

Let's start there.

[A]

Yes, but that is very common.

[C]

No.

[A]

No, Shade. I was on the apps.

[B]

I'm so happy you found someone your age and you found an app for the. For the boys.

[A]

And let me just say this, baby, even though it's an app for the kids, I want you to know there are are absolutely older people on there as well. Because it's for kids.

[B]

Clap that.

[A]

They say kid, easy money, young and tender. So still be careful with who you're chatting with and just be careful in general, like meeting up with people, especially meet them online. You know, the tea.

[B]

You all. You know.

[A]

But as far as like what I would say, I definitely agree. Like in high school. Because again, this is our PR big cousin advice.

[B]

Okay. I was gonna say let's not give the fun advice. Cause I'm gonna give the.

[A]

I'm not gonna be your parents. I'm gonna be just real with you. Cause I know you're not gonna listen to the parent advice. So I'm gonna give you the real tea. High school is the time to be sneaky. High school is the time to be bad and mischievous and make really poor decisions.

[C]

Jameela.

[A]

Within reason.

[B]

What you see, why I said I'm gonna let you get it.

[A]

I'm saying within reason, so. Because I know you're gonna do it anyways. Come on, let me work, guys. Because I know you're going to be bad anyways. I just want you to be a little bit more understanding, reasonable, and conscious about these decisions. Like I said, you think that's a kid app, okay? That means that there are absolutely predators on that because it's a kid. So just be mindful of that. Just be careful. And if your parents don't know what's going on with you, let your friends know what's going on with you. Don't just be all sneaky, sneaky, ooh, by yourself. Let somebody in to the secrets. That way you're. You got some type of backing. Because I already know you're a badass. Gonna be bad. Somebody got to know something. That's what I was gonna say. I wasn't gonna just let him. Come on now, y'. All, I'm a mother.

[C]

Come on.

[B]

This is my advice, little cousin. I think you should leave that boy alone. And I'm only saying that because I get that if there's any time to be DL it is in high school, but it sounds like you're out. I don't know. Is that what you said? But it's not.

[C]

But that's him and his family.

[B]

No, but I under. And I understand, but I. I have just a clue. I feel like if you start accepting that early on, then you might normalize it. We just talked about how high schoolers rationalize differently and your before your frontal lobe. So I don't want you to get used to dealing with DL men. And all of a sudden that becomes like your go to, like, oh, because.

[C]

This thing I gotta get you. System what I gotta get you. Unfortunately, I think this is a. You're on a bad run. Because, yeah, whoever's writing in, they could be out, and that could be okay. However, comma, if the boy is blocking the other boy because he doesn't want his mom to see that he's talking to the boy, he probably knows, oh, my mom is homophobic. She wouldn't want to see these things. And they're in high school and, you.

[A]

Know, a lot to lose at this point, even be DL he might just be in the closet.

[B]

He might be in the closet, which.

[A]

Is totally different things.

[B]

Two different things.

[C]

He could just be in the closet. Because when you're in high school, you're kind of dependent on your parents. I can't just sit up Here and be like, oh, well, I'm gay, and girl, it is what it is. And was what it was. Cause now I don't have a place to live. I don't have a place to shower. How am I gonna get to school?

[B]

Well, I don't have an issue with the young man being DL Where I'm talking to my cousin who wrote in. And if it was my little cousin, I would say, listen, I want you dealing with someone who is in your same situation. Situation, who can come over here and you can go over there full stop. If your mama is not.

[A]

If.

[B]

If you can't go over to his mama's house. Because this is how we treat like kids. CIS hetero kids. If you can't go to their house, then they can't come over. That's how I was raised.

[C]

That's how I was raised. I get. I totes, totes, totes. My goats get. But why. Why should the boy who's in the closet be like, almost? Why should he be punished for the things that his parents are putting on him?

[B]

I'm not saying punishing. I'm talking person who wrote in.

[C]

But it would be punishing him because then he would stop talking away and.

[A]

Almost like, well, since you can't be out.

[C]

Yeah. Then I can't deal with you.

[A]

And as a kid, that can cause other things.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I understand that.

[C]

It's clear that the boy. I mean, I'm assuming from what I heard that the boy. Boy who's DL does enjoy hanging out with him. It's just that we. I can't.

[A]

And that's why I said I think this is a situation of in the closet versus DL because you said y' all be out in public. That baby, not DL If y' all be out in public.

[B]

Canoe.

[A]

Yeah. And Kiki.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He's just not out to his family and. And him getting in trouble and getting that phone taken. Tell him to stop getting in trouble. There's a solution, honey. Tell that baby to stop getting out. There is the root of the issue. Tell him to get them grades up and act right and stop talking back so he can stop getting that phone taking and stop blocking your ass because his mama don't know he like boys.

[C]

Well, and there we go.

[A]

Raised a child.

[B]

I would never let my child hang.

[A]

Out with no one who.

[B]

They couldn't go to their house. So that's no shade to that baby. But that's just how I feel if my baby can't go to your house and you can't Come over here. They can't come over here. And I wish that baby the best. I don't want y' all think as in the closet, young man.

[A]

But he's not the one who wrote in.

[B]

That's my black mama stance.

[A]

It might be problematic.

[B]

I'm just gonna say if my baby. If our babies can't be equal. Now, hold on. Cause you not gonna look at me and say my child can't come to your house and think your child's gonna come over here. I'm sorry. That's just how I feel, y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

God bless the deal, baby.

[C]

I'm giving me a shot at the kili chair.

[A]

That is how you know.

[C]

Ooh, Mecca. Mecca.

[B]

What?

[C]

You cannot say that.

[B]

If it was a black, white thing. Let's take DL out of it. If it was a black, white thing, and my black child had a white friend who. Who couldn't be friends. Because I dealt with this with little mama. That's why. I know. I feel like my stance, my. I'm applying it to this situation. But I dealt with the situation where she had a friend who. We found out her people weren't so crazy about black people. They were racist. They're racist. And the child had been over at my house, but I was trying to figure out why she couldn't go over there. Well, you can't come over here no more.

[C]

That's a little different. That's a little. There's a little bit of nuance there.

[A]

I don't know if I would limit the kid coming over, though. I think that if. With that context, no, you can't come over. I think that I would immediately not want my kids over there because I wouldn't want there to be confusion, but I think that it would just be different conversations. I really don't know. That's a very.

[C]

I think the difference with this scenario is that it's not that the boy's mom is saying, he can't come over here.

[A]

Boy, mama don't even know.

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

She hasn't even gotten a chance to say whether or not I get that.

[C]

Because he could bring the boy over there and be like, oh, we're just friends whole time. Not just friends.

[B]

Hello.

[C]

It's not that the mom is saying, oh, he can't come. The mom just don't know. That's the difference, I think, because there's a difference as. As a parent saying, oh, no, she can't come over here. If somebody's parent said that to my child.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Well, then It's a child. You don't gotta worry about it. She's not gonna be over there. No shade. So I think.

[B]

But this is my next question. If this child is going as far to like, block this child, right. It's safe to say, you know your parent. Cause and I would assume they're around junior years, senior year, high school.

[C]

He did say senior year.

[B]

You know your parent and what they're gonna accept. So this might not, like, just based on information I'm hearing. If I had a son who was gay, I. I'm gonna go up for my child and I want my child to be in a safe space and I want my space to be safe for others. So I wouldn't want you dealing with that person. Because I don't feel that's a safe space. And comfortable.

[C]

That's respectable. I think, though, it's just. I'm gonna give you the real tea. When I was in high school, it was never a thing of, like, coming out and being like, oh, hey, you guys, I'm gay. It was just, girl, we can see you. No shade. Like, we see you, you gay. It is what it is. And it was what it was. As opposed to having having parents who weren't really inviting to that or opposed to that, that's a different thing. Because while my parents, hey, it is what it is. And it was what it was. Other parents. Oh, fuck no. And that's a big difference. So I think knowing that when you're in high school, it's like, I gotta do what I gotta do. So I'm okay, fuck everybody else.

[B]

I feel like that's what I'm trying to say in terms of me being like, I don't think you should deal with them. Because if I'm over here, our vibe is not, oh, fuck no. So I don't want my child exposed to a. Oh, fuck no.

[C]

But, you know, a lot of parents grow over time because there's a lot of people who.

[B]

No, I get it. But that's over time. You have to start like, yeah, we talk about right now. Like, right now you're a baby. And right now I personally feel like there are certain experiences that matter, especially as you're growing up and your brain is developing. And if you're used to being in an environment where you're accepted, I do want you to be exposed to the outside world, like, from afar, because that's with anything. Like, as a parent, like, you want kids to know that it's not all peaches and rainbows, but then you don't want to put them in the mix of like. So I'm only saying. And maybe let me retract. Maybe Mr. In the closet can come to my house. Cool. I don't. I don't even still know if I want you necessarily like dealing with them romantically. Because what comes with that? Parents knocking on doors, parents trying to figure out who you are, where you at, all this. Like, there's. There's a whole bunch of other factors that go into to this that I feel like as a parent, I'm gonna go up about mine. So if y' all come over here acting crazy, we just going to be acting crazy.

[C]

No shade.

[B]

No shade. So where I'm. Where y' all are getting energy on me. Hard stance. No, I'm thinking about everything this could lead to that is very real in our community. I feel like in the black community, especially like, as someone who was raised in church, I've seen how people get.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You're not coming over here with all that.

[A]

And I think from where I was answering is more so just having two gay siblings and knowing their spirit. Specific coming out stories in conjunction with dating. And the two aren't always at the same time.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so it kind of changes their timeline and the way they experience dating is just so completely different than mine as someone who is straight, because it's not. It's just not the same. And even though my parents, at this juncture right now, without giving too much of my family tea, is very like, my parents don't give a damn right now. It hasn't necessarily always been like that. And there's a lot of things that go into play. And so it's kind of like. And it sucks that it's this way, but sometimes we gotta be real. That just how shit be sometimes. And so it's like you can. We can play pretend and kicks and rainbows as if that's real life, but we know what it is, so let's get our cars and play what we have. And then also I think it's more so about the fact that that baby is in high school.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're a senior in high school. Yo, yo, your boo thing is kind of.

[C]

Y' all finna go to college.

[A]

You'll be all right, baby. Let it work.

[B]

Let it work.

[C]

It's gonna be okay. You're gonna go off to college. Y' all go to college together, be happy.

[A]

Literally. Period. Well, I hope you got some good advice, boo.

[B]

Cause you got, you got the range. Yes.

[A]

And, and, and I would like A follow up.

[B]

I would.

[C]

I would too.

[A]

I would love a follow up. And now this is another risque thing that I'm gonna say. You did say he was bisexual. Did you have a girlfriend that you was talking to too, or.

[C]

Oh, he is bisexual.

[A]

So I feel like when baby boy go to block status, get you a girl in the meantime.

[C]

Yeah, no shade.

[A]

If you bisexual and just go back and forth, have fun, be bisexual, be bisexual.

[C]

Ain't nothing wrong with being bisexual.

[A]

Or you just really gay. Cause you know, sometimes they start bi and go gay.

[C]

Nah, Jamila, come on now.

[A]

Okay, I just wanted some.

[C]

If you bisexual. The boy said he bisexual. He bisexual.

[A]

I just was wondering. Cause you stuck on this boy.

[C]

Cause he bisexual.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So you really want him to be your man?

[C]

Yeah, for long term. That's what bisexual.

[B]

Yes. Well, you.

[A]

Well, yes. Well, I hope you got some really good advice. I feel like we all had some really good stuff for you to think about.

[B]

I feel like you should. Should take everyone's advice and then, you know, use your discernment.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know your people. I was like, you know, your family. And I'm not saying that you know this little boy's family, but just take everything that everyone said and decide what works best.

[C]

Take it with a grain of salt.

[B]

Cause it was all given in good faith. Yes.

[A]

Well, Cameron, what a treat this has been.

[C]

You had me a blast.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

Had me a blast and a bean of caboodles.

[A]

I want to know where the people can find you, but also, what do you have coming up? Do you want to plug anything?

[C]

You know what? Where the people can find me? Follow me. Amaringerard C A M E R O N J E R R A R D thank you, baby.

[A]

Period.

[C]

What do I have coming up? Just living life.

[B]

I don't have shit coming up. No shade.

[C]

Okay. You know, it was told to me that I should do a little meet and greet, host event.

[A]

Ooh, I know.

[C]

I was that big. Honey, I thought I was.

[A]

You're inching your way to a million followers. That's huge.

[C]

That is a big thing. So, yeah, might do me a little meet and greet. We watch a show.

[A]

Oh, that'll be cute.

[B]

Oh, that's fun. Prosecco.

[C]

Prosecco.

[B]

Very much your friend.

[C]

Red wine.

[B]

Let me stop.

[A]

Is there anybody in any facet that you would like to cuss out on the last tip?

[C]

Oh, yes. Not a script. Oh my God. Who do I want to get first?

[B]

First. There's more than one?

[A]

Yeah, there's always.

[C]

I want to get. I want to get the divas who tried to get me for saying, oh, no, no, no, no, no, you're wrong about Taylor Swift's album. I'm still on that ass, bitch. No, Shade. I'm still on that because I meant what I said and I said what I meant. The album wasn't good. When an album is good, I'm not above saying it's good. When it's good, it's good. Even if I don't like the artist and I like Taylor Swift. No shade. Can she sing? No. Can she dance? No. Can she write a song? Sometimes.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

She's a lyricist. Sometimes.

[A]

That means.

[C]

That means some times. Sometimes. This album was not a good reflection of her work. And for the bitches trying to come at me, oh, you just didn't get it. Oh, you just didn't get no bitch. You just didn't get it. You just didn't get no Shade because you weren't listening. Your ears were too close to her puss. That's what it was. You are rammed up her get about.

[A]

That white lady puss.

[C]

Thank you. That's what it is. You're obsessed with her. You can't do that. Judge the art for the art and let it be the art and move on. Goddamn fighters. Who am I next? Let me think. 2.

[A]

It can also be anonymous if you like.

[C]

Thank you. And you know exactly who you are.

[B]

And that's why she said that. Because you know what?

[C]

You know exactly who you are. You know exactly who you are. You dirty, low down. You act like you are so done up and you are so prim, proper. So Ms. Fashionista Diva. You're a low down, dirty snake bitch. No shade. And you know it. What you have said about the black community. Oh, what you said about assault victims. Oh, what you have said about every single person that you know. Cause now I'm gonna get like Nicki Minaj. If you wanna play the reindeer games, we can play. Imma get her. I'm gonna get her because she really like to act like she's so done up. And for you to sit up there and defend that bullshit. You defended that bullshit. And bitch, you know you're wrong. You know you wrong. And she know who she is. She know, she know and you know and you know too.

[B]

I don't know a ass thing.

[C]

Oh, she knows. It's in her messages. She knows. She knows. She knows.

[B]

Well, this has been another episode of Unhinged Immoral.

[A]

Thank God.

[B]

Thank you so much for coming, Kameron.

[C]

Anytime.

[A]

All right, y'. All. You already know what the deal is make sure y' all are following us on all platforms. Unhinged, Immoral. New episodes every Thursday. Make sure you are subscribed to the patreon. It's only $8 a month. You get all loads of good, juicy things. We've got so much good content.

[C]

And on the Patreon, I might just give y' all the name. Go subscribe, baby.

[A]

Exclusive content coming soon. We'll see you guys next week. Bye.